Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Mugen]

yeah... why bring up the guy who said he wants to be traded and made it be known he wants to be a laker

completely different situations as PG is from Palmdale and Kawhi is from Riverside, absolutely not related at all :lol

[FlAVaK]

just like your family agreed to let you fuck your aunt

59,176 posts to finally make a good one :lol

:bobo

[coachmac87]

The Supermax will not be offered as Kawhi and Spurs have agreed to a trade.

Lay off the OxyContin you wanna be pharmacist

[iGetbuckets]

Lay off the OxyContin you wanna be pharmacist

:lmao

[buttsR4rebounding]

You do realize that all that red has more cows than people right? You just used a map that shows the abundance of cow pies to try and illustrate your brain fart. Inbred.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. In the US there are just under 100 million head of cattle including calves. A portion of those are in the blue areas. So the red areas have 90 million cattle give or take. The population of the US is around 312 million. while the blue areas are for the most part densely populated they do no represent the more than 200 million people. So at your next Hillary Clinton gathering you can finally answer the question "What's dumber than a brain-farting inbred?"

[Killakobe81]

yeah... why bring up the guy who said he wants to be traded and made it be known he wants to be a laker

Not that fact, but the risk of losing someone who is overrated and over paid.
Losing out on Kawhi if he is 100% healthy as FA would hurt.
Losing PG is more akin to getting outbid on Ebay for something you wanted but did not need. Even with PG via trade with no Ingram ...we probably still dont win a title. and he would take up 20-25 % of our cap ...

[FkLA]

Bernie 2020 tbh :claw

[noles1983]

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. In the US there are just under 100 million head of cattle including calves. A portion of those are in the blue areas. So the red areas have 90 million cattle give or take. The population of the US is around 312 million. while the blue areas are for the most part densely populated they do no represent the more than 200 million people. So at your next Hillary Clinton gathering you can finally answer the question "What's dumber than a brain-farting inbred?"


You're right, they do however, represent at least half the country. Thanks for the 4H lesson though, your degree in Animal Husbandry is really paying off :lol

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[cd021]

3 million votes in cal that they do not even need to show id to vote


but must show id to get refund at walmart

CA does have the largest state population, you can't discount the result just because they voted against him :lol

[Spur|n|Austin]

Get the politics BS out of here, there's an actual forum for that guff.

[SupremeGuy]

Just because you say it doesn't make it true. In the US there are just under 100 million head of cattle including calves. A portion of those are in the blue areas. So the red areas have 90 million cattle give or take. The population of the US is around 312 million. while the blue areas are for the most part densely populated they do no represent the more than 200 million people. So at your next Hillary Clinton gathering you can finally answer the question "What's dumber than a brain-farting inbred?"Damn, don't kill him. :lmao

[Pavlov]

And by driving him into the ground, you mean selling him more of our uranium, right? Fuck you, commie.lol you are stunningly ignorant.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Bernie 2020 tbh :claw

Watch "Who is America" which has Sacha Baron Cohen interviewing Bernie Sanders.

[MoSpur02]

Spurs signed small forward Dante Cunningham. Hmm..

[Ron Swanson]

This thread is already a mess without the retarded fucking politics. Take that shit elsewhere.

[daslicer]

CA does have the largest state population, you can't discount the result just because they voted against him :lol

I would say both CA and TX are statistical outliers since they are the two biggest states in America. If you don't count both of these states votes then Trump still loses the popular vote by a few hundred thousand. It goes to show you he's unpopular around the whole entire country.

[MoSpur02]

So as of now our small forwards are Kawhi, Gay, Cunningham, and perhaps Blossomgame correct?

[Gino20]

So as of now our small forwards are Kawhi, Gay, Cunningham, and perhaps Blossomgame correct?

I thought the Spurs are at 15 now with Dante?

[TimDunkem]

Hey Spurfan, what if I told you Derrick White and Kyle Anderson were "not expendable" in a trade for Anthony Davis? :lmao

I would believe it. Corporate knowledge and getting on your knees for Pop is what's important.

[Fusternino]

I thought the Spurs are at 15 now with Dante?

Yes we are. However, this is pending Manu's decision and BP3's contract isn't fully guaranteed until 8/1.

[rastaspur]

Stop talking about politics in here you stupid fucks.

[noles1983]

It's all good folks, we got something called a Dante Cunningham :lobt2:

[monkeypunk]

And by driving him into the ground, you mean selling him more of our uranium, right? Fuck you, commie.

Oh sorry, forgot to block your fucking dumbass. Have fun greeting at Walmart until they fire you for touching yourself to your sisters panties.

[FireMicoHalili]

I agree even Ingram hasnt done all that much, yet.
Its gambling on the hot stock versus a tried and true longtern annuity ...
Though Lebron adds pressure and shortens our time-line I did not want to part with Ingram.
And as far as Maginka's "spin" (Magic has been unusually quiet overall) what should they say ...my guess is the trade speculation can have a negative affect on the team. So of course they gonna say they did not want to break up their "young core" what else are they supposed to say? Everyone but Ingram and Lebron is untouchable?! My guess part of the reason Randle wanted out (besides his shitty agent) was the thought that in a contract year being third fiddle to a potential Lebron/KL would not be ideal going in to another big contract year. But instead of saying all than Pelinka says Randle was great, was our best player last year and though we wanted him back we werent willing to offer more than a one year deal because it would hamper our cap space in 2019.
you dont have to be a genius to cut through the BS and the spin.
IF Spurs really would just accept Kuzma a first and hart ...I think deal would be done. But my guess Spurs wanted more and since Lakers have been marketing Klye the spin is now Kuzma was off the table. Not saying they dont like or even love Kuzma. But I have a hard time buying that Kuzma/Hart and a first ..wouldnt be considered a "win" in a KL deal ...by the Lakers. probably an "L" for Spurs though.
All the ‘leverage’ was just a spin. It all comes down to a perception of value of the players being offered. I have a hard time thinking this is a win if that’s all the Lakers willingly part with. The Sixers package features a young and former All-Rookie Team player and an All-Defensive Team selection. Lakers offered a Summer League star and a sixth man at best, like you said.

[SupremeGuy]

lol you are stunningly ignorant.lol no, you

[phxspurfan]

Bernie 2020 tbh :claw

Free college for everyone!! :drunk

[phxspurfan]

It's all good folks, we got something called a Dante Cunningham :lobt2:

Sorry, forgot about that already.


Championship! :lobt: :lobt:

[FireMicoHalili]

The Supermax will not be offered as Kawhi and Spurs have agreed to a trade.
The Jeff Ayres of this forum has spoken :king

[Fusternino]

Basically think it's semi-official now that Spurs will force Kawhi to play out the season and only offer super max if he earns it again.

[Chachachango]

You better stay up for a few more hours just in case

He'll yeah best signage of this off season lol

[Dex]

The Jeff Ayres of this forum has spoken :king

Don't disrespect my man Errors that way.

[rastaspur]

The Jeff Ayres of this forum has spoken :king

Don't compliment him. Apo is like a paraplegic ryan richards. Absolutely useless and of no value.

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[LkrFan]

Not that fact, but the risk of losing someone who is overrated and over paid.
Losing out on Kawhi if he is 100% healthy as FA would hurt.
Losing PG is more akin to getting outbid on Ebay for something you wanted but did not need. Even with PG via trade with no Ingram ...we probably still dont win a title. and he would take up 20-25 % of our cap ...

Not to mention he might not be that much better than Josh Hart who makes pennies in comparison.

[FireMicoHalili]

Not to mention he might not be that much better than Josh Hart who makes pennies in comparison.
It’s settled then, the team is good as is. Am excited for your fan base, more so personally about the dynamic between James and the young guys. LeBron gives them a lot of opportunities to flourish while they make life easier for him. The only downside is that LaVar will be mooching off whatever success Lonzo gets, but that’s subsidiary.

[FireMicoHalili]

Wonder how many takes the Spurs beat writers have lifted off this forum so far and what they think of that whole Pinoy Marauder saga

[MoSpur02]

Not sure if it's been posted, but Windhorst was on Lowe's podcast today and stated Toronto is in the driver's seat as far as acquiring Kawhi Leonard. He also stated OG has to be part of the deal.

[Leetonidas]

Not sure if it's been posted, but Windhorst was on Lowe's podcast today and stated Toronto is in the driver's seat as far as acquiring Kawhi Leonard. He also stated OG has to be part of the deal.

:tu

Get it done RC

[NASpurs]

Not sure if it's been posted, but Windhorst was on Lowe's podcast today and stated Toronto is in the driver's seat as far as acquiring Kawhi Leonard. He also stated OG has to be part of the deal.

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[BatManu20]

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[Leetonidas]

Given most of the proposed trades have been garbage I wouldnt mind a trade with Toronto for Derozan and OG. I would like to add mills or green (preferably mills) and get poeltl or siakam back also.

Murray/White/Forbes
Derozan/Belinelli/Walker
Green/OG/Cunningham
Gay/Siakam/Metu
Aldridge/Gasol

Not terrible Imo. Would be at worst #3 in the west. Probably would need to adjust that SL for spacing reasons though

[MoSpur02]

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Couldn't have said it better

[vy65]

Steve Kyler’s feed ... damn

[Mr. Body]

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First, Kyler is a known liar. And not because it rhymes.

But I think he's right. You heard it here, first. Spurs trade Kawhi to Toronto. He struggles so bad in Toronto, sees the light, he signs with the Spurs next summer.

[Mr. Body]

Given most of the proposed trades have been garbage I wouldnt mind a trade with Toronto for Derozan and OG. I would like to add mills or green (preferably mills) and get poeltl or siakam back also.

Murray/White/Forbes
Derozan/Belinelli/Walker
Green/OG/Cunningham
Gay/Siakam/Metu
Aldridge/Gasol

Not terrible Imo. Would be at worst #3 in the west. Probably would need to adjust that SL for spacing reasons though

I don't think Toronto is offering DeRozan. Is that a board fiction, or is there some indication of this?

[NASpurs]

I don't think Toronto is offering DeRozan. Is that a board fiction, or is there some indication of this?

Washington Post were the ones who broke the news and said that the Raptors were willing to move DeRozan or Lowry.

[Mr. Body]

Washington Post were the ones who broke the news and said that the Raptors were willing to move DeRozan or Lowry.

Got it. Well, not that it matters, but just get it done at this point. I think Kawhi is a broken person and getting Anonuby for him is probably alright. DeRozan will help ensure more playoffs, at least.

[Fusternino]

Given most of the proposed trades have been garbage I wouldnt mind a trade with Toronto for Derozan and OG. I would like to add mills or green (preferably mills) and get poeltl or siakam back also.

Murray/White/Forbes
Derozan/Belinelli/Walker
Green/OG/Cunningham
Gay/Siakam/Metu
Aldridge/Gasol

Not terrible Imo. Would be at worst #3 in the west. Probably would need to adjust that SL for spacing reasons though

How about this trade . . . ask the Clippers for everything. Either wait until 12/15 when newly signed players can be traded or tell Jerry West right now to offer everything up and then waive and stretch Forbes/Cunningham.

Kawhi/Forbes/Cunningham for Harris/Harrell/Jerome Robinson/unprotected 2021, 2023, 2025 first round picks.

Murray/Mills/White
Green/Manu/Marco/Robinson
Harris/Gay/Walker
Bertans/Harrell
Aldridge/Gasol/Metu

[Joseph Kony]

I don't think Toronto is offering DeRozan. Is that a board fiction, or is there some indication of this?

Of course they are :lol Ujiri wants to dump Derozan and start rebuilding

[KDKSpurs24]

Given most of the proposed trades have been garbage I wouldnt mind a trade with Toronto for Derozan and OG. I would like to add mills or green (preferably mills) and get poeltl or siakam back also.

Murray/White/Forbes
Derozan/Belinelli/Walker
Green/OG/Cunningham
Gay/Siakam/Metu
Aldridge/Gasol

Not terrible Imo. Would be at worst #3 in the west. Probably would need to adjust that SL for spacing reasons though
I would probably start OG over Green. But I really like that team compared to other possibilities. This would be one of the best deals Spurs can realistically get.

[Joseph Kony]

How about this trade . . . ask the Clippers for everything. Either wait until 12/15 when newly signed players can be traded or tell Jerry West right now to offer everything up and then waive and stretch Forbes/Cunningham.

Kawhi/Forbes/Cunningham for Harris/Harrell/Jerome Robinson/unprotected 2021, 2023, 2025 first round picks.

Murray/Mills/White
Green/Manu/Marco/Robinson
Harris/Gay/Walker
Bertans/Harrell
Aldridge/Gasol/some FA

Harrell is a RFA and would need to agree to a sign and trade, you know that right?

[mo7888]

Given most of the proposed trades have been garbage I wouldnt mind a trade with Toronto for Derozan and OG. I would like to add mills or green (preferably mills) and get poeltl or siakam back also.

Murray/White/Forbes
Derozan/Belinelli/Walker
Green/OG/Cunningham
Gay/Siakam/Metu
Aldridge/Gasol

Not terrible Imo. Would be at worst #3 in the west. Probably would need to adjust that SL for spacing reasons though

I think that's a pretty good trade for us at this point. If they won't take mills I'd send out Pau and take back poeltl.

[Fusternino]

Harrell is a RFA and would need to agree to a sign and trade, you know that right?

Yes that's why we would need to wait until 12/15 if we don't get it done now. He still hasn't signed an offer sheet from anybody and the Clippers only gave him the minimal QO which is well below his value. So, I suspect something is going on.

[lebomb]

What about Kawhi, Green and Gasol in a three way trade. Spurs den Kawhi to Washington for John Wall, Washington sends 1st round pick to New Orleans for 2nd rd and 3rd rd. Spurs get Anthony Davis. New Orleans gets Green and a 3rd Rd, Washington gets Gasol and rights to Patty Mills.


Do it!!!

[Fusternino]

Surprised Ernie Grunfeld hasn't been fired yet, tbh.

[Namundy]

OG has the potential to be a real dead eye shooter in the Spurs system. Guy has great form on his shot. I know this because I watched a five minute YouTube highlight video.

[ElNono]

Is uncle fucker aware of how much money his nephew lost at midnight last night, tbh? Would be nice to hear from Jabari or Cris Carter how Pop's ass taste...

[Fusternino]

This whole Kawhi situation is making me a fan of Max Kellerman. A voice of sanity compared to Cris Carter and Nick Wright.

Is that bad?

[mo7888]

OG has the potential to be a real dead eye shooter in the Spurs system. Guy has great form on his shot. I know this because I watched a five minute YouTube highlight video.

Good defensive potential as well

[RD2191]

OG has the potential to be a real dead eye shooter in the Spurs system. Guy has great form on his shot. I know this because I watched a five minute YouTube highlight video.

Practically an expert around here.

[spursistan]

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Exactly..Going from "king slayer", "silent assassin" street cred to a "quitting faggot" "soft coward" is probably the most extraordinary downfall in player reputation ever witnessed in league history..

I think this also speaks volumes about Kawhi supreme lack of awareness..This dude is gonna be roasted to death if he never comes back to an MVP level after this charade is done with..

[Killakobe81]

This whole Kawhi situation is making me a fan of Max Kellerman. A voice of sanity compared to Cris Carter and Nick Wright.

Is that bad?

All 3 suck as analysts tbh saying Max is better than dumb and dumber is not much of a compliment tbh.

[slick'81]

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So sixers are now out of the hunt i guess

[NASpurs]

So sixers are now out of the hunt i guess

Reports kept coming out that the Spurs wanted Fultz and the Sixers don't want to part with him.

[SixersFan]

Reports kept coming out that the Spurs wanted Fultz and the Sixers don't want to part with him.

Glad we moved on simply not worth what was wanted considering past year plus apparent desire to go to LA.

[Mr. Body]

Reports kept coming out that the Spurs wanted Fultz and the Sixers don't want to part with him.

Moving on. Saric isn't worth as much as OG and DeRozan will keep the team up for a couple more years. Philly is being stupid.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So sixers are now out of the hunt i guess

They are in the passenger seat, the Clips are in the back seat and Boston is in the trunk. LAL is the the drag queen with 5 o'clock shadow hitchhiking at rush hour saying "They have to pick me up because I'm so pretty. "

[SPURt]

Kawow, this is messed up

[spursistan]

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When the annoying Spurs skeptic/hater Matt Moore sides by the team, you just know the extent of bush league move Uncle Dickhead is pulling..

[DPG21920]

Glad we moved on simply not worth what was wanted considering past year plus apparent desire to go to LA.

:lol a team with a player that forgot how to shoot, had an injury and lost 4-1 to a team adding Kyrie/Hayward is saying Kawhi is not enough.

Man, I hope PHI just continues to play second fiddle to BOS until Embiid leaves or gets injured.

[look_at_g_shred]

Really sold on the OG kid! If we could get DD and OG, that’s a win imho

[outmap]

Given most of the proposed trades have been garbage I wouldnt mind a trade with Toronto for Derozan and OG. I would like to add mills or green (preferably mills) and get poeltl or siakam back also.

Murray/White/Forbes
Derozan/Belinelli/Walker
Green/OG/Cunningham
Gay/Siakam/Metu
Aldridge/Gasol

Not terrible Imo. Would be at worst #3 in the west. Probably would need to adjust that SL for spacing reasons though

I prefer Poetl than Siakam. The Spurs might also be able to add Gasol and Green for Ibaka for salary dump if they are really trying to rebuild.
Murray, White, Forbes
DeRozan, Green, Beli, Walker
Gay, OG, Dante
Ibaka, Bertans, Metu
LMA, Poetl

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya5vw2el

[Spur|n|Austin]

Hundreds of pages later and we've essentially received no news :lol


Really sold on the OG kid! If we could get DD and OG, that’s a win imho

Agreed, tbh

[Strategic]

Wonder how many takes the Spurs beat writers have lifted off this forum so far and what they think of that whole Pinoy Marauder saga
Probably has them looking at each other with suspicion.

[Seventyniner]

I prefer Poetl than Siakam. The Spurs might also be able to add Gasol and Green for Ibaka for salary dump if they are really trying to rebuild.
Murray, White, Forbes
DeRozan, Green, Beli, Walker
Gay, OG, Dante
Ibaka, Bertans, Metu
LMA, Poetl

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya5vw2el

I would much rather have Pau and his contract than Ibaka with his.

[Vic Petro]

I would push hard for a draft pick from Toronto as well.

[Mr. Body]

I would much rather have Pau and his contract than Ibaka with his.

Fucking A.

[Spurs9]

Trade him to Cavs and get back Sexton + other pieces.

[Ron Swanson]

I would much rather have Pau and his contract than Ibaka with his.

No shit.

[BatManu20]

I would push hard for a draft pick from Toronto as well.

I doubt we’d be able to get that much from them at this point, if the reports that Philly and LA have ”given up” on trying to acquire him. Unless there is another team that is really pushing and helping us create leverage, tbh I think the best return we could get is:

DeMar + OG for Kawhi + Filler

[look_at_g_shred]

OG looks like a young whi. That’s no joke. Defensive upside is crazy

[exstatic]

Ibaka is pure garbage, at this point. There is some suspicion that he was older than stated when he declared for the draft. Sucks for OKC. They kept him, thinking he was a core piece, and ditched harden. He’s definitely on the downslope, athletically.

[Spurs9]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb6uvhc8
Add in Sexton on Spurs side imo

[exstatic]

OG looks like a young whi. That’s no joke. Defensive upside is crazy

What is crazy is a 6’8” SF with a 7’6” wingspan. That’s a plus 10. Kawhi is only a plus 8.

[look_at_g_shred]

I mean OG has huge potential. I’m almost willing to give up KL for OG without Lowry/DD

[FireMicoHalili]

Ibaka is pure garbage, at this point. There is some suspicion that he was older than stated when he declared for the draft. Sucks for OKC. They kept him, thinking he was a core piece, and ditched harden. He’s definitely on the downslope, athletically.
So keep Pau, flip either Green or Mills. Green makes more sense as a salary dump.

[manufan10]

It's kind of weird how each "breaking news" keeps coming from a different source: Woj, Shelbourne, Young, Carter, and now Windhorst.

[Mr. Body]

I mean OG has huge potential. I’m almost willing to give up KL for OG without Lowry/DD

As I've mentioned, he has a good pedigree. Tom Crean was a shitty coach at IU but could find some diamonds. First Oladipo and now Anunoby might be next.

[BatManu20]

Still have a week and a half ‘til Team USA minicamp. Don’t think anything happens before then. Gonna be a long 9 days..

[SpursBills]

What is crazy is a 6’8” SF with a 7’6” wingspan. That’s a plus 10. Kawhi is only a plus 8.

His wingspan measured 7'2.25" at the combine. It might have grown a little bit, but probably not all the way up to 7'6"

[KillerMamba]

You guys fucked up - Probably could have had Ingram, Hart and a FRP. There's no way the Lakers give Hart away now.

[iGetbuckets]

You guys fucked up - Probably could have had Ingram, Hart and a FRP. There's no way the Lakers give Hart away now.

I think Ingram has potential but let’s not pretend that he’s better then Derozan rn

OG’s potential >Hart’s

[Mr. Body]

You guys fucked up - Probably could have had Ingram, Hart and a FRP. There's no way the Lakers give Hart away now.

Don't think the Spurs were ever trading Kawhi to the Lakers. They're better than that.

[DPG21920]

Hart has had a great summer league. But that would be like us telling Laker fans you should have traded Bron for Derrick White :lol

White has been every bit as good as Hart in his 2nd SL stint.

[daslicer]

You guys fucked up - Probably could have had Ingram, Hart and a FRP. There's no way the Lakers give Hart away now.

:lol Trust me we didn't want your trash anyways. I'm fine with even Kawhi leaving as a FA. Basically we waste a year of Lebron's remaining prime by not giving you Kawhi this year which works for me.

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OG has the potential to be a real dead eye shooter in the Spurs system. Guy has great form on his shot. I know this because I watched a five minute YouTube highlight video.

This guy YouTubes.

[Fusternino]

Well, I guess that's better than the Deng/Kuzma/Hart for Kawhi/Murray trade I was told of a month ago.

But if we're dealing with an LA team, we're going to deal with The Logo and not Magic.

[17505]

Don't think the Spurs were ever trading Kawhi to the Lakers. They're better than that.

That's just not true. The Spurs would have taken the best deal if it came from the Lakers, but there would have had to be a "Lakers premium." In other words, if the offers were close, no way they trade him there. But if the Lakers had the best offer for sure, the Spurs wouldn't have been dumb.

[LkrFan]

Hart has had a great summer league. But that would be like us telling Laker fans you should have traded Bron for Derrick White :lol

White has been every bit as good as Hart in his 2nd SL stint.

No he hasn't. If we win tomorrow, Hart is the MVP.

[daslicer]

No he hasn't. If we win tomorrow, Hart is the MVP.

:lol Doesn't mean shit Kyle Anderson was summer league MVP that's how legit it is.

[Mr. Body]

That's just not true. The Spurs would have taken the best deal if it came from the Lakers, but there would have had to be a "Lakers premium." In other words, if the offers were close, no way they trade him there. But if the Lakers had the best offer for sure, the Spurs wouldn't have been dumb.

No, I really don't think the Spurs were ever going to trade with the Lakers. They were setting the price higher than they knew their FO would accept.

[Fusternino]

No, I really don't think the Spurs were ever going to trade with the Lakers. They were setting the price higher than they knew their FO would accept.

Agreed. The asking price should've been even higher . . . Randle S&T/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/three future firsts.

King vs. Kingslayer narrative will be much more interesting anyways once Kawhi is on the Clippers.

[LkrFan]

:lol Doesn't mean shit Kyle Anderson was summer league MVP that's how legit it is.

That may be true, but my argument has been Hart is the best player in Vegas. Svi might be next best. Might be the 2nd best 2nd rounder since Manure :lmao

[mo7888]

His wingspan measured 7'2.25" at the combine. It might have grown a little bit, but probably not all the way up to 7'6"


Agreed. The asking price should've been even higher . . . Randle S&T/Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/three future firsts.

King vs. Kingslayer narrative will be much more interesting anyways once Kawhi is on the Clippers.

Are you a clippers fan? Every trade you conceive of is based around them.

[17505]

No, I really don't think the Spurs were ever going to trade with the Lakers. They were setting the price higher than they knew their FO would accept.

The reason I don't agree is because, first off, I have pretty good information that I'm correct (I don't claim to be an insider, but, yeah), and two, the Lakers actually did have a pretty strong offer before free agency began, but have pulled back. As I stated in my first post, something clearly changed, whether it was LeBron telling them he liked the kids or whether they got wind that Uncle Dennis actually prefers the Clippers. Something changed, and now the Lakers aren't offering much; I believe it's because they have legitimate worry that Kawhi would not re-sign.

Anyhow, yeah, from what I understand, nothing was off the table for the Spurs.

[Fusternino]

Are you a clippers fan? Every trade you conceive of is based around them.

No, LOL. I just think think LA location (reassurance that Kawhi will re-sign) and Jerry West feeling he needs to get Kawhi now or else he'd probably pick Lakers over Clippers in FA allows us to get the most assets even if Clippers don't have the necessary assets right now. Lakers think Deng/Wagner/Zubac is enough and Sixers aren't much better . . . maybe Chandler/Bayless/2021 Heat pick. Celtics don't want Kawhi. I'm looking out for this team even if it means dealing within our own conference.

But for right now looks like we're keeping Kawhi and won't trade him until after 12/15.

[Mr. Body]

The reason I don't agree is because, first off, I have pretty good information that I'm correct (I don't claim to be an insider, but, yeah), and two, the Lakers actually did have a pretty strong offer before free agency began, but have pulled back. As I stated in my first post, something clearly changed, whether it was LeBron telling them he liked the kids or whether they got wind that Uncle Dennis actually prefers the Clippers. Something changed, and now the Lakers aren't offering much; I believe it's because they have legitimate worry that Kawhi would not re-sign.

Anyhow, yeah, from what I understand, nothing was off the table for the Spurs.

I don't give a smeary shit for your 'inside information,' you sad little nine post nosepicker. The Spurs were never breaking down to Kawhi's babyish demands, especially with enough evidence of tampering. It just wasn't going to happen.

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That's just not true. The Spurs would have taken the best deal if it came from the Lakers, but there would have had to be a "Lakers premium." In other words, if the offers were close, no way they trade him there. But if the Lakers had the best offer for sure, the Spurs wouldn't have been dumb.

Define dumb.

Some of us might say it would be dumb to trade the 3rd or 4th best player in the League to you so you could form a superteam. And for what? 1 kid with a high ceiling but that's also underperformed to date and has a really bad PER. And two roll players that prolly wouldn't even be widely-known names were they playing anywhere outside of LaLaLand.

Remember DBust? Or Russell (just let go--walked for nothing)? Or even Ball (Plaschke says nearly everyone inside Lakers organization is ready to move on from him?

That's a lot of hype with little to no return. Or should I say substance? I know that word probably doesn't register in the mind of the average superficial Laker fan. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, however.

[Mr. Body]

The reason I don't agree is because, first off, I have pretty good information that I'm correct (I don't claim to be an insider, but, yeah), and two, the Lakers actually did have a pretty strong offer before free agency began, but have pulled back. As I stated in my first post, something clearly changed, whether it was LeBron telling them he liked the kids or whether they got wind that Uncle Dennis actually prefers the Clippers. Something changed, and now the Lakers aren't offering much; I believe it's because they have legitimate worry that Kawhi would not re-sign.

Anyhow, yeah, from what I understand, nothing was off the table for the Spurs.

I don't give a smeary shit for your 'inside information,' you sad little nine post nosepicker. The Spurs were never breaking down to Kawhi's babyish demands, especially with enough evidence of tampering. It just wasn't going to happen.

[Fusternino]

Would love for the league to investigate Lakers for tampering and take their next 5 first round picks from them.

[Mr. Body]

Would love for the league to investigate Lakers for tampering and take their next 5 first round picks from them.

They only do that for the Timberwolves. But the Lakers definitely tampered the shit out of this.

[Mr. Body]

Would love for the league to investigate Lakers for tampering and take their next 5 first round picks from them.

And the Spurs are too classy to show proof. Which sucks. They should tear Magic's heart out on this.

[mo7888]

No, LOL. I just think think LA location (reassurance that Kawhi will re-sign) and Jerry West feeling he needs to get Kawhi now or else he'd probably pick Lakers over Clippers in FA allows us to get the most assets even if Clippers don't have the necessary assets right now. Lakers think Deng/Wagner/Zubac is enough and Sixers aren't much better . . . maybe Chandler/Bayless/2021 Heat pick. Celtics don't want Kawhi. I'm looking out for this team even if it means dealing within our own conference.

But for right now looks like we're keeping Kawhi and won't trade him until after 12/15.

Gotcha. I don't really care who we trade him to as long as we get the best deal possible. In a perfect world I'd like to see us go get butler without giving up Kawhi and see if that would convince him to stay and ,if not, trade him to Boston for either Hayward or kyrie + a couple picks.
Since we don't live in that perfect world I'm ok with the Toronto trade. Outside of that I like what Philly can offer over the LA teams but they haven't put it on the table. I think the Lakers can offer a better package than the clips but, it doesn't look like they will. That leaves the clippers trying to beat the Toronto offer (DD, OG, maybe poeltl or pick) and it's tough to see them doing that. I don't value Harrell very much. Harris + SGA is not nearly enough to beat Toronto so they'd have to bring in a 3rd team to get assets for us. I just don't see what they can offer another team to get the assets they'd need.

[marinoman]

That may be true, but my argument has been Hart is the best player in Vegas. Svi might be next best. Might be the 2nd best 2nd rounder since Manure :lmao
You think hart is better than kuzma? But kuzma’s untouchable according to man of a 100 T-cells

[17505]

I don't give a smeary shit for your 'inside information,' you sad little nine post nosepicker. The Spurs were never breaking down to Kawhi's babyish demands, especially with enough evidence of tampering. It just wasn't going to happen.


I know for a fact that RC Buford did not rule out the Lakers when it came to a Kawhi deal. 100% know it for a fact. This doesn't mean I'm saying that they were eager to deal with the Lakers, of course. I'm simply saying that I know that they never ruled anything out. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. Anyone here on this site can judge for themselves. This isn't exactly breaking news, by the way. I'm not claiming that a deal with a particular team is close or anything like that. I just happen to have some info and I have no issue with stating it.

And this isn't about granting Kawhi's demands. Buford and Popovich are not short-sighted, as you appear to be. They are going to do what's best for the franchise. If they liked the Laker offer more than the other offers, they would have taken it because it would have put their own franchise in the best possible position moving forward. This situation is terrible for the Spurs but they are going to do what is best moving forward. If the Sixers offered just Saric and Covington and Bayless and if the Lakers offered Ingram, and if you think the Spurs would take the Sixers' offer, there's nothing more I can tell you.

[Joseph Kony]

I know for a fact that RC Buford did not rule out the Lakers when it came to a Kawhi deal. 100% know it for a fact. This doesn't mean I'm saying that they were eager to deal with the Lakers, of course. I'm simply saying that I know that they never ruled anything out. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. Anyone here on this site can judge for themselves. This isn't exactly breaking news, by the way. I'm not claiming that a deal with a particular team is close or anything like that. I just happen to have some info and I have no issue with stating it.

And this isn't about granting Kawhi's demands. Buford and Popovich are not short-sighted, as you appear to be. They are going to do what's best for the franchise. If they liked the Laker offer more than the other offers, they would have taken it because it would have put their own franchise in the best possible position moving forward. This situation is terrible for the Spurs but they are going to do what is best moving forward. If the Sixers offered just Saric and Covington and Bayless and if the Lakers offered Ingram, and if you think the Spurs would take the Sixers' offer, there's nothing more I can tell you.

fuck off faggot

[exstatic]

Gotcha. I don't really care who we trade him to as long as we get the best deal possible. In a perfect world I'd like to see us go get butler without giving up Kawhi and see if that would convince him to stay and ,if not, trade him to Boston for either Hayward or kyrie + a couple picks.
Since we don't live in that perfect world I'm ok with the Toronto trade. Outside of that I like what Philly can offer over the LA teams but they haven't put it on the table. I think the Lakers can offer a better package than the clips but, it doesn't look like they will. That leaves the clippers trying to beat the Toronto offer (DD, OG, maybe poeltl or pick) and it's tough to see them doing that. I don't value Harrell very much. Harris + SGA is not nearly enough to beat Toronto so they'd have to bring in a 3rd team to get assets for us. I just don't see what they can offer another team to get the assets they'd need.
You’re wasting your time. A few score pages ago, Fusty came right out and said he would repeatedly push the Clipper trades. I think you suspicions were correct, and that he is a Clips fan. There is just a desperation to his repition. It’s kind of sad.

[marinoman]

I know for a fact that RC Buford did not rule out the Lakers when it came to a Kawhi deal. 100% know it for a fact. This doesn't mean I'm saying that they were eager to deal with the Lakers, of course. I'm simply saying that I know that they never ruled anything out. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. Anyone here on this site can judge for themselves. This isn't exactly breaking news, by the way. I'm not claiming that a deal with a particular team is close or anything like that. I just happen to have some info and I have no issue with stating it.

And this isn't about granting Kawhi's demands. Buford and Popovich are not short-sighted, as you appear to be. They are going to do what's best for the franchise. If they liked the Laker offer more than the other offers, they would have taken it because it would have put their own franchise in the best possible position moving forward. This situation is terrible for the Spurs but they are going to do what is best moving forward. If the Sixers offered just Saric and Covington and Bayless and if the Lakers offered Ingram, and if you think the Spurs would take the Sixers' offer, there's nothing more I can tell you.
Done deal.

[Mr. Body]

I know for a fact that RC Buford did not rule out the Lakers when it came to a Kawhi deal. 100% know it for a fact. This doesn't mean I'm saying that they were eager to deal with the Lakers, of course. I'm simply saying that I know that they never ruled anything out. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. Anyone here on this site can judge for themselves. This isn't exactly breaking news, by the way. I'm not claiming that a deal with a particular team is close or anything like that. I just happen to have some info and I have no issue with stating it.

And this isn't about granting Kawhi's demands. Buford and Popovich are not short-sighted, as you appear to be. They are going to do what's best for the franchise. If they liked the Laker offer more than the other offers, they would have taken it because it would have put their own franchise in the best possible position moving forward. This situation is terrible for the Spurs but they are going to do what is best moving forward. If the Sixers offered just Saric and Covington and Bayless and if the Lakers offered Ingram, and if you think the Spurs would take the Sixers' offer, there's nothing more I can tell you.

Boy, if you simply paid attention to what was going on during the 'negotiations', instead of attending to your Lakers circle jerk, you would know your bullshit won't fly here. Don't make shit up. The Spurs were asking for a huge amount to set a market, trying to bring in Eastern Conference teams in. It didn't quite work, which is too bad, but they had no intention of dealing with the Lakers. Paul George told LA to screw, LeBron brought in a bunch of non-fit players, and that was it. Nothing was ever serious. The market never materialized with Philly and Boston, but that was independent.

If you want to make shit up, fine. But we know how the Spurs operate. You can do your cargo cult shamanistic dick waving all you want, but no one believes a word you're saying.

[17505]

fuck off faggot

LOL, striking a nerve just because I happen to know that the Lakers were never ruled out in a Kawhi trade. Stay classy, folks.

By the way, if they HAD been ruled out, don't you think the national reporters who have the credibility would have reported as such? Sure, you hear mindless BS from talking heads like Bayless and the like, but in terms of the respected reporters, you haven't heard anything like that. Again, this isn't breaking news. Sad that so many of you are so blinded by your hate for one team that you can't even think rationally.

[Fusternino]

I know for a fact that RC Buford did not rule out the Lakers when it came to a Kawhi deal. 100% know it for a fact. This doesn't mean I'm saying that they were eager to deal with the Lakers, of course. I'm simply saying that I know that they never ruled anything out. Whether you believe me or not, I don't care. Anyone here on this site can judge for themselves. This isn't exactly breaking news, by the way. I'm not claiming that a deal with a particular team is close or anything like that. I just happen to have some info and I have no issue with stating it.

And this isn't about granting Kawhi's demands. Buford and Popovich are not short-sighted, as you appear to be. They are going to do what's best for the franchise. If they liked the Laker offer more than the other offers, they would have taken it because it would have put their own franchise in the best possible position moving forward. This situation is terrible for the Spurs but they are going to do what is best moving forward. If the Sixers offered just Saric and Covington and Bayless and if the Lakers offered Ingram, and if you think the Spurs would take the Sixers' offer, there's nothing more I can tell you.

If you're trying to imply that Ingram is so obviously better than Covington/Saric then that's just you overrating your young players.

About our own team-Murray is our most prominent prospect. I don't see him getting beyond the 8-12/30 ranking for starting point guards. He can get a jumper and learn to finish at the rim. But he will be a scoring first point guard who basically only creates off of his scoring. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily. 8-12/30 is nothing to scoff at but I don't see him ever being an All-Star.

Ingram did make a big jump first to second year but his advanced metrics look really awful. Every team has players capable of putting up 15-20 points a night. Doesn't mean they're that amazing.

[Fusternino]

LOL.

You guys who would sit Kawhi on the bench (not him sitting himself) so that he walks next season without either 1) playing for us so that we can make a playoff push 2) playing for us so teams see he's healthy, allowing us to get someone to gut their team are the real anti-fans here.

I'm no Clippers fan, LOL. I'm just reading the market. Right in this thread we've seen the entitlement of the Lakers and Sixers organizations. Deng/Zubac/Wagner or Bayless/Chandler/2021 Heat pick. Disgusting.

You guys don't get it. Just because a team may have the best assets doesn't mean that that's the team that will get us the best offer!

Ridiculous.

[Robz4000]

LOL.

You guys who would sit Kawhi on the bench (not him sitting himself) so that he walks next season without either 1) playing for us so that we can make a playoff push 2) playing for us so teams see he's healthy, allowing us to get someone to gut their team are the real anti-fans here.

I'm no Clippers fan, LOL. I'm just reading the market. Right in this thread we've seen the entitlement of the Lakers and Sixers organizations. Deng/Zubac/Wagner or Bayless/Chandler/2021 Heat pick. Disgusting.

You guys don't get it. Just because a team may have the best assets doesn't mean that that's the team that will get us the best offer!

Ridiculous.

They also don't wanna trade Kawhi for middling players that do nothing to move the needle towards contention or bad contracts that hurt future capspace/flexibility.

[DPG21920]

No he hasn't. If we win tomorrow, Hart is the MVP.

Bruh, White got hurt. When he was playing he was destroying teams like in ORL.

[17505]

If you're trying to imply that Ingram is so obviously better than Covington/Saric then that's just you overrating your young players.

About our own team-Murray is our most prominent prospect. I don't see him getting beyond the 8-12/30 ranking for starting point guards. He can get a jumper and learn to finish at the rim. But he will be a scoring first point guard who basically only creates off of his scoring. There's nothing wrong with that necessarily. 8-12/30 is nothing to scoff at but I don't see him ever being an All-Star.

Ingram did make a big jump first to second year but his advanced metrics look really awful. Every team has players capable of putting up 15-20 points a night. Doesn't mean they're that amazing.

It's about Ingram's age (still just 20) and what he could become. It's a projection, sure. But he got much better after his rookie year, and he certainly has his admirers on the national scene, including from the folks at The Ringer. He's still on his rookie deal, while Covington is already making more than $10MM and has a limited offensive game, while Saric is at the end of his rookie deal (so he needs to get paid a year earlier than Ingram) and doesn't have Ingram's ceiling as a player, though I do like him as a player and think the Spurs would like having him if he came with, say, Fultz too. If the Spurs are trading Kawhi, my feeling is that they would be looking to try to acquire at least one young player with major potential. That theoretical Sixers offer would just be ho-hum if it doesn't include Fultz. Doesn't really get the Spurs anywhere. At least Anunoby has potential if they do the Raptors deal. Ditto SGA with the Clippers.

As for Murray, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I wasn't a fan, because I'm a big Lonzo fan, due to the defense.

[marinoman]

LOL.

You guys who would sit Kawhi on the bench (not him sitting himself) so that he walks next season without either 1) playing for us so that we can make a playoff push 2) playing for us so teams see he's healthy, allowing us to get someone to gut their team are the real anti-fans here.

I'm no Clippers fan, LOL. I'm just reading the market. Right in this thread we've seen the entitlement of the Lakers and Sixers organizations. Deng/Zubac/Wagner or Bayless/Chandler/2021 Heat pick. Disgusting.

You guys don't get it. Just because a team may have the best assets doesn't mean that that's the team that will get us the best offer!

Ridiculous.
If the trades offered are shit, like the ones you mentioned, then keep him. If he plays or doesn’t play his choice, but for his sake he should play. And no kid gloves, play him back to back, play him 40+ minutes, no reason to save his minutes for later

[Fusternino]

They also don't wanna trade Kawhi for middling players that do nothing to move the needle towards contention or bad contracts that hurt future capspace/flexibility.

Jerome Robinson is on a 4 year cheap rookie deal. He completes the youth rebuild at the 1/2. Harrell will also be on a long cheap contract (not enough money to go around this summer) and he's a defensive genius guarding the 3/4/small ball 5. He's hard working and I bet we could get him to improve his FT% and to hit the corner 3. Trust the coaching staff. All three of the 2021, 2023, and 2025 first round picks will be 4 year long cheap rookie deals. Tobias Harris is an efficient scorer who can guard both forward positions. Is he only an average defender? Right now, yes. Do I think he can buy into Pop's system and become a better defender? Absolutely. He's bounced around from team to team and wants to finally BELONG to somewhere. He's a year younger than Kawhi too. Again, trust the coaching staff.

[17505]

Jerome Robinson is on a 4 year cheap rookie deal. He completes the youth rebuild at the 1/2. Harrell will also be on a long cheap contract (not enough money to go around this summer) and he's a defensive genius guarding the 3/4/small ball 5. He's hard working and I bet we could get him to improve his FT% and to hit the corner 3. Trust the coaching staff. All three of the 2021, 2023, and 2025 first round picks will be 4 year long cheap rookie deals. Tobias Harris is an efficient scorer who can guard both forward positions. Is he only an average defender? Right now, yes. Do I think he can buy into Pop's system and become a better defender? Absolutely. He's bounced around from team to team and wants to finally BELONG to somewhere. He's a year younger than Kawhi too. Again, trust the coaching staff.

FOUR 1st round picks (including Robinson) for a guy who is an expiring contract, and one who has baggage at that? They would be lucky to get Harris, one of SGA/Robinson, and one future 1st.

[Mr. Body]

LOL.

You guys who would sit Kawhi on the bench (not him sitting himself) so that he walks next season without either 1) playing for us so that we can make a playoff push 2) playing for us so teams see he's healthy, allowing us to get someone to gut their team are the real anti-fans here.

I'm no Clippers fan, LOL. I'm just reading the market. Right in this thread we've seen the entitlement of the Lakers and Sixers organizations. Deng/Zubac/Wagner or Bayless/Chandler/2021 Heat pick. Disgusting.

You guys don't get it. Just because a team may have the best assets doesn't mean that that's the team that will get us the best offer!

Ridiculous.

If the offers are bad, the best play would be just play Kawhi or let him rot and take the cap space.

[Fusternino]

It's about Ingram's age (still just 20) and what he could become. It's a projection, sure. But he got much better after his rookie year, and he certainly has his admirers on the national scene, including from the folks at The Ringer. He's still on his rookie deal, while Covington is already making more than $10MM and has a limited offensive game, while Saric is at the end of his rookie deal (so he needs to get paid a year earlier than Ingram) and doesn't have Ingram's ceiling as a player, though I do like him as a player and think the Spurs would like having him if he came with, say, Fultz too. If the Spurs are trading Kawhi, my feeling is that they would be looking to try to acquire at least one young player with major potential. That theoretical Sixers offer would just be ho-hum if it doesn't include Fultz. Doesn't really get the Spurs anywhere. At least Anunoby has potential if they do the Raptors deal. Ditto SGA with the Clippers.

As for Murray, I'd be a hypocrite if I said I wasn't a fan, because I'm a big Lonzo fan, due to the defense.

Lonzo will probably end up being a slightly better Rubio. Again, nothing to scoff at. There's nothing wrong with being a top 50-100 player. Lonzo and Murray are very similar right now. Can't shoot the 3, only finishing move the rim is an awkward floater. Great defenders and rebounders, especially for their position. Murray is probably slightly better overall in these areas (shooting/finishing in the paint/defense/rebounding) but Lonzo absolutely crushes him on the you know actually being a passing point guard part. I don't think the passing part can be taught. Maybe Lonzo should've been a ~10 pick and Murray ~15 pick.

[Mr. Body]

FOUR 1st round picks (including Robinson) for a guy who is an expiring contract, and one who has baggage at that? They would be lucky to get Harris, one of SGA/Robinson, and one future 1st.

Is this inside information, too? Or another butt-pull?

[RsxPiimp]

no need to trade for kiwi at this point tbh. he could simply bolt ala dwight next season. i’d wait and risk FA next year, if he ain’t coming then the lakers was never his preferred choice. also, i’d hate to acquire kiwi via trade with the way things are going on in san antonio. that shit aint right, if he can do this to a classy organization that vested time and all their resources to help him become the player he is, then you simply cant trust a dude like this. personally, i feel like there are boundaries and ethics when conducting a business, this imo should apply to all levels.


KL is great but there are a lot of moving parts that could elevate the lakers via trade with another player(s) or through FA.

[RsxPiimp]

......

[Mr. Body]

Lonzo will probably end up being a slightly better Rubio. Again, nothing to scoff at. There's nothing wrong with being a top 50-100 player. Lonzo and Murray are very similar right now. Can't shoot the 3, only finishing move the rim is an awkward floater. Great defenders and rebounders, especially for their position. Murray is probably slightly better overall in these areas (shooting/finishing in the paint/defense/rebounding) but Lonzo absolutely crushes him on the you know actually being a passing point guard part. I don't think the passing part can be taught. Maybe Lonzo should've been a ~10 pick and Murray ~15 pick.

Lonzo is a far better passer. Murray will probably become a better shooter. Lonzo will always be much more expensive, and damage team chemistry with his baggage. I see LeBron wanting to get rid of him and his dad, so his days are numbered. Once he's out of LA, he begins to rot.

[Fusternino]

FOUR 1st round picks (including Robinson) for a guy who is an expiring contract, and one who has baggage at that? They would be lucky to get Harris, one of SGA/Robinson, and one future 1st.

The trick is that Kawhi wants LA and wants to sign a max contract there . . . and what you're forgetting is there's another team in town. And Jerry West is willing (unlike the king of entitlement and tampering, Magic) to get together a package that would get Kawhi. If Kawhi is traded for something that's not befitting of him . . . he's not going to be too happy.

[Robz4000]

Jerome Robinson is on a 4 year cheap rookie deal. He completes the youth rebuild at the 1/2. Harrell will also be on a long cheap contract (not enough money to go around this summer) and he's a defensive genius guarding the 3/4/small ball 5. He's hard working and I bet we could get him to improve his FT% and to hit the corner 3. Trust the coaching staff. All three of the 2021, 2023, and 2025 first round picks will be 4 year long cheap rookie deals. Tobias Harris is an efficient scorer who can guard both forward positions. Is he only an average defender? Right now, yes. Do I think he can buy into Pop's system and become a better defender? Absolutely. He's bounced around from team to team and wants to finally BELONG to somewhere. He's a year younger than Kawhi too. Again, trust the coaching staff.

Yeah, you're a Clippers fan alright...

[Payote75]

https://clutchpoints.com/spurs-rumors-growing-suspicion-dennis-robertson-trying-to-build-marketing-company-with-kawhi-leonard-as-star-client/


this dude is shady asf. Has the nerve to use this mute bitch to further his own agenda. Actually has had the nerve to approach other stars. What star in their right mind would see how this is being handled and say "yea sign me up with your tutor time company" This all while nephew just sits there like a twat and lets him ruin what might possibly could have been and maybe has been the best relationship in his life/career.
other player have a mouth how in the world would these clowns handle other clients but I don't think there is anything to worry about there cause I don't think uncle Robbie will be seeing too many clients!!!!! Dumb fucks!!!!

[Fusternino]

Lonzo is a far better passer. Murray will probably become a better shooter. Lonzo will always be much more expensive, and damage team chemistry with his baggage. I see LeBron wanting to get rid of him and his dad, so his days are numbered. Once he's out of LA, he begins to rot.

In other words, the Lakers trade away two PGs drafted in the top 5 within a year of each other.

LOL.

[Mr. Body]

In other words, the Lakers trade away two PGs drafted in the top 5 within a year of each other.

LOL.

There were indications they were shopping Lonzo to get rid of the Deng contract, but then Ball daddy dropped the info about his injury. I can't think LeBron/Lakers brass are happy with him right now. I think he's gone before the end of the season. Luke Walton, too, btw.

[Fusternino]

Honestly, pretty convinced there's some mob business going on. Where did that $10M come from? Mitch Frankel wants his basketball clients to also invest in real estate. What?

Honestly, if I'm Peter Holt I wash my hands of Kawhi just for my own personal safety.

[marinoman]

no need to trade for kiwi at this point tbh. he could simply bolt ala dwight next season. i’d wait and risk FA next year, if he ain’t coming then the lakers was never his preferred choice. also, i’d hate to acquire kiwi via trade with the way things are going on in san antonio. that shit aint right, if he can do this to a classy organization that vested time and all their resources to help him become the player he is, then you simply cant trust a dude like this. personally, i feel like there are boundaries and ethics when conducting a business, this imo should apply to all levels.


KL is great but there are a lot of moving parts that could elevate the lakers via trade with another player(s) or through FA.
Let’s trade Apo to the Lakers for this guy

Great post

[DPG21920]

I get why LA would do what they do. But the only thing that annoys me about most LA fans is acting like Klay or Jimmy are on the same level as kawhi.

I get thinking you would risk losing Kawhi to sign one of those guys while keeping the young guys, but let’s not act like LA would be better off with those dudes over Kawhi or even just as good.

[Fusternino]

There were indications they were shopping Lonzo to get rid of the Deng contract, but then Ball daddy dropped the info about his injury. I can't think LeBron/Lakers brass are happy with him right now. I think he's gone before the end of the season. Luke Walton, too, btw.

Walton is definitely gone and Lonzo is probably enough to some team to take on Deng's contract. His own contract isn't cheap though. That's like in total a $25M cap hit?

Wonder who LeGM will bring in as the new coach?

[Mr. Body]

Walton is definitely gone and Lonzo is probably enough to some team to take on Deng's contract. His own contract isn't cheap though. That's like in total a $25M cap hit?

Wonder who LeGM will bring in as the new coach?

Lue. Magic himself. It doesn't matter, LeBron doesn't expect to compete with this gang of purple and piss clowns, anyway.

[Fusternino]

I get why LA would do what they do. But the only thing that annoys me about most LA fans is acting like Klay or Jimmy are on the same level as kawhi.

I get thinking you would risk losing Kawhi to sign one of those guys while keeping the young guys, but let’s not act like LA would be better off with those dudes over Kawhi or even just as good.

I think the idea with signing Klay is to also hurt GSW at the same time, which would be a net effect greater than just getting Kawhi.

[17505]

In other words, the Lakers trade away two PGs drafted in the top 5 within a year of each other.

LOL.

LaVar Ball is not really a big deal to Laker management. Yeah, it's a nuisance, but, as Ramona Shelburne reported after he signed, LeBron considers LaVar to be nothing more than a gnat crashing into the windshield. Of more concern to the Lakers is Lonzo's knee.

I think that comparison of Lonzo to Rubio is fair. My feeling is that Lonzo's floor is what Rubio looks like right now, and that's a pretty nice player. Lonzo had a 29-game stretch where he shot 39% from 3, and statistically, he was a top-30 player in the NBA for those games. It just shows how good he could be if he can shoot it even just OK. The worry I have with him is that his shot mechanics are different on his 3-pointer, on his free throw, and when he actually takes a pull-up in the mid-range. He's just such a unique player, who racks up assists even on a low usage rate. But he'll always defend, pass, and rebound, and he should be a good player if his health cooperates.

[Mr. Body]

Honestly, pretty convinced there's some mob business going on. Where did that $10M come from? Mitch Frankel wants his basketball clients to also invest in real estate. What?

Honestly, if I'm Peter Holt I wash my hands of Kawhi just for my own personal safety.

There's some Trumper twat in there, too. Just a horrible crew of people. Poor Kawhi. No one in his family loves him.

[Gordonicci]

Let’s trade Apo to the Lakers for this guy

Great post

We'd have to attach an Aunt and a pharmacology degree to get that deal done.

[Mr. Body]

LaVar Ball is not really a big deal to Laker management. Yeah, it's a nuisance, but, as Ramona Shelburne reported after he signed, LeBron considers LaVar to be nothing more than a gnat crashing into the windshield. Of more concern to the Lakers is Lonzo's knee.


I realize you are Magic's personal manservant and are privy to all the juicy accurate details of what the Lakers will do, but respectfully you don't know crap about how LeBron works. LeBron and LaVar don't mix. The Lakers have been goofy burnt driftwood for five years and Lonzo's dumb family has contributed to the last part of it. LeBron has horrible taste in players and is a terrible co-GM, but he does know lockerroom chemistry.

[DPG21920]

I don’t know why people are giving the laker fan trouble. Not like that person is saying outlandish things..

[17505]

I realize you are Magic's personal manservant and are privy to all the juicy accurate details of what the Lakers will do, but respectfully you don't know crap about how LeBron works. LeBron and LaVar don't mix. The Lakers have been goofy burnt driftwood for five years and Lonzo's dumb family has contributed to the last part of it. LeBron has horrible taste in players and is a terrible co-GM, but he does know lockerroom chemistry.

Ramona Shelburne is not one of the idiot reporters, and she reported that LeBron doesn't care about him. LeBron is a definite fan of Lonzo's game, rightly or wrongly. He's not going to care about his loudmouth father. Again, of far more concern to the Lakers is his health. It's not a coincidence that they moved so quickly to sign Rondo, who has a similar playing style to Lonzo (though Rondo is no longer a good defender). And the proof that LeBron likes Lonzo's game is that they turned around and signed Rondo.

[Mr. Body]

Ramona Shelburne is not one of the idiot reporters, and she reported that LeBron doesn't care about him. LeBron is a definite fan of Lonzo's game, rightly or wrongly. He's not going to care about his loudmouth father. Again, of far more concern to the Lakers is his health. It's not a coincidence that they moved so quickly to sign Rondo, who has a similar playing style to Lonzo (though Rondo is no longer a good defender). And the proof that LeBron likes Lonzo's game is that they turned around and signed Rondo.

Ramona Shelburne, mouthpiece of the Lakers Ramona Shelburne? :lol :lol :lol

[Fusternino]

LaVar Ball is not really a big deal to Laker management. Yeah, it's a nuisance, but, as Ramona Shelburne reported after he signed, LeBron considers LaVar to be nothing more than a gnat crashing into the windshield. Of more concern to the Lakers is Lonzo's knee.

I think that comparison of Lonzo to Rubio is fair. My feeling is that Lonzo's floor is what Rubio looks like right now, and that's a pretty nice player. Lonzo had a 29-game stretch where he shot 39% from 3, and statistically, he was a top-30 player in the NBA for those games. It just shows how good he could be if he can shoot it even just OK. The worry I have with him is that his shot mechanics are different on his 3-pointer, on his free throw, and when he actually takes a pull-up in the mid-range. He's just such a unique player, who racks up assists even on a low usage rate. But he'll always defend, pass, and rebound, and he should be a good player if his health cooperates.

LaVar Ball is 100 times less worse than Uncle Dennis. At least he will be direct in his communication, even if what he says is outlandish. I think he's a good man too. He's a trash-talker sure but he's educated, a good father and husband, and really applies himself to making his ideas become a reality. He would be a good role model to young men of any race. Culturally, I like some of the things he is doing with the JBA/BBB although I don't think they will succeed or at least not for 5-10 years.

That said, he really needs to stop commenting on any coaches/players currently on Lakers roster.

[17505]

Ramona Shelburne, mouthpiece of the Lakers Ramona Shelburne? :lol :lol :lol

The point is that she got it from LeBron, WHO IS ON THE LAKERS. I'm not sure why you are picking a fight with everything I say. Woj mouthpieces on multiple sides. The reporters who break big news, they have to mouthpiece. It's a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" business.

[Ron Swanson]

Y'all are sending up the RD2191 signal talking about Big Mona.

[17505]

Y'all are sending up the RD2191 signal talking about Big Mona.

Ha, she was very wise to attach herself to Jeanie during the ownership squabble.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not sure why you are picking a fight with everything I say.

Because you are full of shit and I hate your fucking franchise. Shelburne is paid to paper over everything the Lakers do and make it look pretty. Why you fail to understand this, I don't know. See ya when Lonzo gets dumped later in the season.

[Killakobe81]

no need to trade for kiwi at this point tbh. he could simply bolt ala dwight next season. i’d wait and risk FA next year, if he ain’t coming then the lakers was never his preferred choice. also, i’d hate to acquire kiwi via trade with the way things are going on in san antonio. that shit aint right, if he can do this to a classy organization that vested time and all their resources to help him become the player he is, then you simply cant trust a dude like this. personally, i feel like there are boundaries and ethics when conducting a business, this imo should apply to all levels.


KL is great but there are a lot of moving parts that could elevate the lakers via trade with another player(s) or through FA.

agreed. Another reason I would hold off I have never supported him sitting out of and its a big if he is healthy. Also don't condone his silence

[FireMicoHalili]

You guys fucked up - Probably could have had Ingram, Hart and a FRP. There's no way the Lakers give Hart away now.
Because he’s a summer league MVP being traded for the Spurs’ best player? Then I suppose last year Kyle Anderson, Bertans, and a first round pick would have sufficed for, hmm, who was your best player, Brandon Ingram? I suppose that’s fine since Anderson was Summer League MVP and Bertans is a decent shooter with more experience than Wagner. If you don’t think that’s fair then you understand why most Spurs fans think it’s better the Lakers keep Hart and Kuzma.

[FireMicoHalili]

Because you are full of shit and I hate your fucking franchise. Shelburne is paid to paper over everything the Lakers do and make it look pretty. Why you fail to understand this, I don't know. See ya when Lonzo gets dumped later in the season.
Some of them have been respected posters here but man these guys pop up like mushrooms once they get their hands on a star. Past five years must have been difficult for a team flush with money and significant young assets but without a lot of results. FkLA was right, total opposite of what the Spurs stand for.

[FireMicoHalili]

FOUR 1st round picks (including Robinson) for a guy who is an expiring contract, and one who has baggage at that? They would be lucky to get Harris, one of SGA/Robinson, and one future 1st.
What would the Lakers be willing to trade Ingram for, say, with another team?

[Gordy58]

Leonard’s team of advisers — including his agent, Mitch Frankel, and his uncle and business manager, Dennis Robertson — reportedly believes the league’s most low-key superstar can over time make up the financial difference (https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-eligible-for-supermax-but-does-it-13079481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social) in endorsement money and a new shoe deal if he moves to a higher-profile market.
– via San Antonio Express-News (https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-eligible-for-supermax-but-does-it-13079481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social)

This just pisses me off, I mean Paul George, Damian Lillard, all have shoe deals while playing in small markets. Kawhi is better than both those players, Kawhi’s personality is what keeps him from being marketable, I don’t want this bullshit excuse that San Antonio is the reason he can’t get more endorsements. I don’t buy it.

[17505]

What would the Lakers be willing to trade Ingram for, say, with another team?

I think that the Lakers might listen on Ingram, but I think they would want either a non-expiring star player back, or, if it was a star player on an expiring (let's just use Jimmy Butler as an example), I think they would need strong assurances that such a player would be very likely to re-sign. I don't think that they have such assurances from Kawhi. Again, it is my belief that Uncle Dennis prefers the Clippers to the Lakers. (I think his logic is misguided, surprise surprise, but that's what I believe.) At this point, I just think that the Lakers will go into the season with all the young kids and LeBron (and the veteran signings they did make, though I don't think Lance and McGee will play much), and then perhaps reassess things after Dec. 15. They think they are in good position to sign a star player next year in free agency, and there's something to be said for a strategy of keeping all the young guys and then adding a star next year. It might be the best long-term play to try to beat the Warriors next season. I understand the logic of thinking that LeBron isn't going to be in his prime forever, but that has to be weighed against how strong the team might be next year if they keep everyone. Especially if LeBron is OK with that, I mean, they have no reason to force things.

For what it's worth, I think Butler is the player most likely to end up on the Lakers by the start of next season.

[FireMicoHalili]

I think that the Lakers might listen on Ingram, but I think they would want either a non-expiring star player back, or, if it was a star player on an expiring (let's just use Jimmy Butler as an example), I think they would need strong assurances that such a player would be very likely to re-sign. I don't think that they have such assurances from Kawhi. Again, it is my belief that Uncle Dennis prefers the Clippers to the Lakers. (I think his logic is misguided, surprise surprise, but that's what I believe.) At this point, I just think that the Lakers will go into the season with all the young kids and LeBron (and the veteran signings they did make, though I don't think Lance and McGee will play much), and then perhaps reassess things after Dec. 15. They think they are in good position to sign a star player next year in free agency, and there's something to be said for a strategy of keeping all the young guys and then adding a star next year. It might be the best long-term play to try to beat the Warriors next season. I understand the logic of thinking that LeBron isn't going to be in his prime forever, but that has to be weighed against how strong the team might be next year if they keep everyone. Especially if LeBron is OK with that, I mean, they have no reason to force things.

For what it's worth, I think Butler is the player most likely to end up on the Lakers by the start of next season.
Bit iffy on your information or sources but otherwise I like the levelheadedness of the takes and the mastery of the team composition. I think the only facts we can assume: (1) Leonard wants to be traded; (2) he’s on a one-year rental; (3) health is questionable; (4) he hasn’t been extended; (5) easily a top 5 player when healthy; (6) hasn’t spoken since to the media; (7) the former agent is embroiled in a court battle where the pleading (available online) states the uncle and the mom received payments from his agency. Everything else from “sources” is white noise, especially topics as to where he wants to end up or the projected trade partners and packages. His preference as to destination, should the Lakers make a play, likely wouldn’t matter since there are conflicting reports (yours and Woj’s, saying he wants to be a Laker). As for the Lakers, they’re in a fiscally great position next year and have a handful of decent young players. Given everything sans the controversial points the Spurs are justified in asking for, as most reports say, “the farm”. Trade packages put together by fans are made in consideration of the news they consume, which more or less are cherry picked to suit a narrative. No one has even put together a totality of all the news surrounding Leonard.

So no estimates as to Ingram’s worth? Any examples? If Kawhi re-signs and is dealt next year (contract is locked, health is fine), would that be a fair trade for Ingram and all the spare parts the Lakers offer? Would the Lakers be okay parting with Ingram, Kuzma, and a pick for, say, DeRozan, who is locked to a long term contract and was part of the nucleus of the best regular season team in the East?

[Spur|n|Austin]

agreed. Another reason I would hold off I have never supported him sitting out of and its a big if he is healthy. Also don't condone his silence

https://78.media.tumblr.com/1de2f74dc0cd4cab8d04b0af29042e98/tumblr_inline_oyyrw0QKCk1rkw28s_540.gif

[marinoman]

Leonard’s team of advisers — including his agent, Mitch Frankel, and his uncle and business manager, Dennis Robertson — reportedly believes the league’s most low-key superstar can over time make up the financial difference (https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-eligible-for-supermax-but-does-it-13079481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social) in endorsement money and a new shoe deal if he moves to a higher-profile market.
– via San Antonio Express-News (https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-eligible-for-supermax-but-does-it-13079481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social)

This just pisses me off, I mean Paul George, Damian Lillard, all have shoe deals while playing in small markets. Kawhi is better than both those players, Kawhi’s personality is what keeps him from being marketable, I don’t want this bullshit excuse that San Antonio is the reason he can’t get more endorsements. I don’t buy it.
I agree but his people have convinced him it’s the small market even though Westbrook commercials are always on even though he plays in okc. Also they prolly convinced him that he didn’t injure himself in china hiking, he reaggravated an injury the spurs doctors misdiagnosed even though its obvious that although it doesn’t require any surgery, and required 7-8 doctors to find one good one, it’s clearly career and life threatening

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Let’s trade Apo to the Lakers for this guy

Great post

Seconded.

[17505]

Bit iffy on your information or sources but otherwise I like the levelheadedness of the takes and the mastery of the team composition. I think the only facts we can assume: (1) Leonard wants to be traded; (2) he’s on a one-year rental; (3) health is questionable; (4) he hasn’t been extended; (5) easily a top 5 player when healthy; (6) hasn’t spoken since to the media; (7) the former agent is embroiled in a court battle where the pleading (available online) states the uncle and the mom received payments from his agency. Everything else from “sources” is white noise, especially topics as to where he wants to end up or the projected trade partners and packages. His preference as to destination, should the Lakers make a play, likely wouldn’t matter since there are conflicting reports (yours and Woj’s, saying he wants to be a Laker). As for the Lakers, they’re in a fiscally great position next year and have a handful of decent young players. Given everything sans the controversial points the Spurs are justified in asking for, as most reports say, “the farm”. Trade packages put together by fans are made in consideration of the news they consume, which more or less are cherry picked to suit a narrative. No one has even put together a totality of all the news surrounding Leonard.

So no estimates as to Ingram’s worth? Any examples? If Kawhi re-signs and is dealt next year (contract is locked, health is fine), would that be a fair trade for Ingram and all the spare parts the Lakers offer? Would the Lakers be okay parting with Ingram, Kuzma, and a pick for, say, DeRozan, who is locked to a long term contract and was part of the nucleus of the best regular season team in the East?

Well it's not just my own idea that Uncle Dennis prefers the Clippers; Michael Wright said it before I did. I just think it makes sense, because the Lakers were definitely offering much more than they currently are. And hey, maybe LeBron just told them he really likes the young dudes and doesn't want them to give up anyone. But I think it's more likely that something had to change in order for the Lakers to drastically lower their offers, and perhaps that thing was that the Lakers know that Uncle Dennis prefers the Clippers. Just a theory, admittedly, but I don't think it's without logic.

I don't think the Lakers would have any interest in DeRozan. I think they are aiming higher. He's an All-Star, but he doesn't really have a 3-ball, he's not a good defender, and his playoff career has been brutally abysmal.

If I knew that Kawhi would re-sign and was healthy, yes, I would give him Ingram up for him. Easily. A healthy Kawhi is that good. I never would give up both Ingram and Ball in a trade for an expiring player, however, and certainly not one with baggage. But one of them? Yeah, probably, if I knew he'd re-sign and was healthy. In the case of a Kawhi trade, Lonzo isn't on the table anyway (the Spurs don't want him), so that's moot. I should also point out that Kuzma is really highly regarded by Laker management, in large part because he's on a super-cheap rookie deal for 3 more years and in part because he's unafraid of the moment, and he seems like he'd be a great fit playing with LeBron because of the way he can score the ball in different ways.

When the Lakers still had cap space, I was probably willing to offer something like Ingram and a 1st and, at most, Wagner. (Ancillary stuff like 2nd rounders, Zubac, and Bonga could've been on the table, too.) Of course now, the calculus has changed considerably, and I doubt that the Spurs have the stomach to take Deng, even if Ingram were included. However, if a 3rd team were added and if the Spurs took on expiring contracts instead of Deng, perhaps it would be palatable to them. Something like Deng going to the Hawks and Dedmon and Muscala going to the Spurs works in the trade machine.

I really don't think he ends up with the Lakers, though. With the rumors of the discord in the T'Wolves locker room with Butler and the young guys, and with Butler turning down their extension offer (no surprise there), and with Butler having been unhappy at the deal to Minnesota in the first place, it wouldn't surprise me if they move Butler before the start of the season. If you're Minnesota, would you take something like Ingram, Deng, a 1st rounder, and more ancillary pieces for Butler? Keep in mind that Deng is a Thibs favorite and he would probably get PT there lol.

[BatManu20]

https://78.media.tumblr.com/1de2f74dc0cd4cab8d04b0af29042e98/tumblr_inline_oyyrw0QKCk1rkw28s_540.gif

:lol great episode tbh

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Ramona Shelburne is not one of the idiot reporters, and she reported that LeBron doesn't care about him. LeBron is a definite fan of Lonzo's game, rightly or wrongly. He's not going to care about his loudmouth father. Again, of far more concern to the Lakers is his health. It's not a coincidence that they moved so quickly to sign Rondo, who has a similar playing style to Lonzo (though Rondo is no longer a good defender). And the proof that LeBron likes Lonzo's game is that they turned around and signed Rondo.

Do you trust Plaschke? Cause he said most of the Lakers front office are ready to move on from him.

1. His father, of course.
2. But also because he didn't stand up for Luke more forcefully when his dad threw shade at him.
3. Final blow was this leak to prevent/disrupt a possible trade negotiation.

His reporting. He's as connected to the Lakers as any reporter.

Translation. He is most likely gone unless by some miracle, Bron saves him.

[Fusternino]

Well it's not just my own idea that Uncle Dennis prefers the Clippers; Michael Wright said it before I did. I just think it makes sense, because the Lakers were definitely offering much more than they currently are. And hey, maybe LeBron just told them he really likes the young dudes and doesn't want them to give up anyone. But I think it's more likely that something had to change in order for the Lakers to drastically lower their offers, and perhaps that thing was that the Lakers know that Uncle Dennis prefers the Clippers. Just a theory, admittedly, but I don't think it's without logic.

I don't think the Lakers would have any interest in DeRozan. I think they are aiming higher. He's an All-Star, but he doesn't really have a 3-ball, he's not a good defender, and his playoff career has been brutally abysmal.

If I knew that Kawhi would re-sign and was healthy, yes, I would give him Ingram up for him. Easily. A healthy Kawhi is that good. I never would give up both Ingram and Ball in a trade for an expiring player, however, and certainly not one with baggage. But one of them? Yeah, probably, if I knew he'd re-sign and was healthy. In the case of a Kawhi trade, Lonzo isn't on the table anyway (the Spurs don't want him), so that's moot. I should also point out that Kuzma is really highly regarded by Laker management, in large part because he's on a super-cheap rookie deal for 3 more years and in part because he's unafraid of the moment, and he seems like he'd be a great fit playing with LeBron because of the way he can score the ball in different ways.

When the Lakers still had cap space, I was probably willing to offer something like Ingram and a 1st and, at most, Wagner. (Ancillary stuff like 2nd rounders, Zubac, and Bonga could've been on the table, too.) Of course now, the calculus has changed considerably, and I doubt that the Spurs have the stomach to take Deng, even if Ingram were included. However, if a 3rd team were added and if the Spurs took on expiring contracts instead of Deng, perhaps it would be palatable to them. Something like Deng going to the Hawks and Dedmon and Muscala going to the Spurs works in the trade machine.

I really don't think he ends up with the Lakers, though. With the rumors of the discord in the T'Wolves locker room with Butler and the young guys, and with Butler turning down their extension offer (no surprise there), and with Butler having been unhappy at the deal to Minnesota in the first place, it wouldn't surprise me if they move Butler before the start of the season. If you're Minnesota, would you take something like Ingram, Deng, a 1st rounder, and more ancillary pieces for Butler? Keep in mind that Deng is a Thibs favorite and he would probably get PT there lol.

I think we should not let that sort of trauma befall Deng, LOL.

[17505]

Do you trust Plaschke? Cause he said most of the Lakers front office are ready to move on from him.

1. His father, of course.
2. But also because he didn't stand up for Luke more forcefully when his dad threw shade at him.
3. Final blow was this leak to prevent/disrupt a possible trade negotiation.

His reporting. He's as connected to the Lakers as any reporter.

Translation. He is most likely gone unless by some miracle, Bron saves him.


No. Plaschke doesn't have strong sources with the Lakers. He's just a talking head. That said, I do agree that the Lakers were very unhappy that the info about his knee was leaked. They did not want that to happen. Not necessarily because they were looking to move him--they genuinely do think he has tremendous promise as a player and LeBron absolutely likes his game--but because nothing good can come of it, and it undermines management.

I don't think it's completely out of the question that the Lakers could eventually move him; I mean, they were willing to move D'Angelo Russell once upon a time. (A move that looks brilliant in hindsight, by the way.) But in this case, they aren't going to move Lonzo just to dump Deng. They don't have to. They can get another max player next year simply by stretching Deng or, more likely, they can move him as an expiring next summer if they want to create even more cap space. But would they move Lonzo for an All-Star? I wouldn't completely rule it out.

[17505]

I think we should not let that sort of trauma befall Deng, LOL.

Hey, he might be 50, but he's well-rested!

[Mr. Body]

17505 is the zip code of a massive toilet in Pennsylvania.

The Lakers already were shopping Lonzo. That's why Lavar dumped the injury news.

[RsxPiimp]

So no estimates as to Ingram’s worth??

it’s difficult to measure potential- at 20 far from a finished product. ingram seems to check a few boxes. his ability to run an offense and willingness to defend looks promising. his efficiency is encouraging and by all accounts, he seems to be a good kid with a strong work ethic.

but he’s also not a phenom like ben simmons. for a college player known for his shooting, his jumpshot is shaky. his lateral movement is akward and his conditioning needs work. like any player, if he can overcome his mental limitations, he could breakthrough. it’s a big if though.


his statistics isn’t impressive so i feel like the lakers are simply banking on his long term trajectory and work habits at this point, nothing else.

[17505]

it’s difficult to measure potential- at 20 far from a finished product. ingram seems to check a few boxes. his ability to run an offense and willingness to defend looks promising. his efficiency is encouraging and by all accounts, he seems to be a good kid with a strong work ethic.

but he’s also not a phenom like ben simmons. for a college player known for his shooting, his jumpshot is shaky. his lateral movement is akward and his conditioning needs work. like any player, if he can overcome his mental limitations, he could breakthrough. it’s a big if though.


his statistics isn’t impressive so i feel like the lakers are simply banking on his long term trajectory and work habits at this point, nothing else.

I don't agree that his jumpshot is shaky. His form actually looks really silky from 3, and he did make 39% of them last season. The issue is that he doesn't shoot that many of them. But I think the form is totally fine, and he also shot .434 from 16 feet or more on 2-point shots, and that's actually pretty good. I do agree with you about the lateral movement. He can look a little awkward at times on that, but, man, that length is no joke.

I agree with you that he's not Ben Simmons. But I do think Ingram could be a Swiss Army knife kind of a player, a guy who maybe is never remarkable at any one thing, but who does a lot of things quite well. The kid is still only 20 years old (turns 21 on Sept. 2) and you would think that he'll gain strength in the next few years. And, yes, he is very focused on basketball and is a good dude.

[cutewizard]

Is this already the longest thread in Spurstalk history??

[cutewizard]

Leonard’s team of advisers — including his agent, Mitch Frankel, and his uncle and business manager, Dennis Robertson — reportedly believes the league’s most low-key superstar can over time make up the financial difference (https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-eligible-for-supermax-but-does-it-13079481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social) in endorsement money and a new shoe deal if he moves to a higher-profile market.
– via San Antonio Express-News (https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Leonard-eligible-for-supermax-but-does-it-13079481.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social)

This just pisses me off, I mean Paul George, Damian Lillard, all have shoe deals while playing in small markets. Kawhi is better than both those players, Kawhi’s personality is what keeps him from being marketable, I don’t want this bullshit excuse that San Antonio is the reason he can’t get more endorsements. I don’t buy it.

:bobo

[kjhip1]

1019084014177718272

Spurs insider podcast w/ Jabari Young out. Discusses Kawhi and spurs Free agency

[cutewizard]

Im all in for DD and OG

Do it Spurs

[apalisoc_9]

1019084014177718272

Spurs insider podcast w/ Jabari Young out. Discusses Kawhi and spurs Free agency

Wow Jabari is talented with Podcast.

Legit see him in national tv

Lots of talent tbh.

[Pavlov]

Wow Jabari is talented with Podcast.

Legit see him in national tv

Lots of talent tbh.It's a done deal.

[blizz]

Fuck jibbajabari young. He’s uncle Dennis’s little bitch. He’s the catcher in that relationship. Unc givs him the exclusives as long as jibba gives him dat ass

[venitian navigator]

...its the 17th and till now no extension offer has been reported to be made.
While I was sure an offer would have been a good thing, I think the mesage from Spurs f.o. ios clear:
we're not going to offer you nothing till
a) you publicly make a committment to the team or, at least,
b) you give evidence to the world that your phisycal condition and level of play is the same of one and half year ago.

Now the ball his on Kiwhi's side. Next step for ha and his group is that they can decide:

a) to stop all this bulshit and give express and convincing commitment to the spurs way
b)show in the USA national team camp that Kiwhi is healthy and still a solid nba basketball player (to judge the level of his game actually that is not enough);
c) renounce to USA basketball team meeting and continue to hide from the eyes of anybody interested to value his phisycal conditions....

one thing to notice.
Making the c) choice could be seen as a not committal to the USA national basketball team....and be the more than legitimate reason of excluding him from said team.
One could think that this could be beneficial to the player 'couse he will be at complete service of his next year new (supposed LA) basketball team...but reality is that from a marketability perspective, that would be an abysmal choice 'cause will diminish and maybe eliminate all his international marketability (that's frankly the only one that needs just his showing in the court, and not, like the usa marketability, off the court).

[apalisoc_9]

Fuck jibbajabari young. He’s uncle Dennis’s little bitch. He’s the catcher in that relationship. Unc givs him the exclusives as long as jibba gives him dat ass

Why does spurstalk have to fag things up all the time

[cutewizard]

...its the 17th and till now no extension offer has been reported to be made.
While I was sure an offer would have been a good thing, I think the mesage from Spurs f.o. ios clear:
we're not going to offer you nothing till
a) you publicly make a committment to the team or, at least,
b) you give evidence to the world that your phisycal condition and level of play is the same of one and half year ago.

Now the ball his on Kiwhi's side. Next step for ha and his group is that they can decide:

a) to stop all this bulshit and give express and convincing commitment to the spurs way
b)show in the USA national team camp that Kiwhi is healthy and still a solid nba basketball player (to judge the level of his game actually that is not enough);
c) renounce to USA basketball team meeting and continue to hide from the eyes of anybody interested to value his phisycal conditions....

one thing to notice.
Making the c) choice could be seen as a not committal to the USA national basketball team....and be the more than legitimate reason of excluding him from said team.
One could think that this could be beneficial to the player 'couse he will be at complete service of his next year new (supposed LA) basketball team...but reality is that from a marketability perspective, that would be an abysmal choice 'cause will diminish and maybe eliminate all his international marketability (that's frankly the only one that needs just his showing in the court, and not, like the usa marketability, off the court).


:bobo

[FireMicoHalili]

Wow Jabari is talented with Podcast.

Legit see him in national tv

Lots of talent tbh.
why you speak like Russian when we know you fail pharmacy school in Philippines

[FireMicoHalili]

...its the 17th and till now no extension offer has been reported to be made.
While I was sure an offer would have been a good thing, I think the mesage from Spurs f.o. ios clear:
we're not going to offer you nothing till
a) you publicly make a committment to the team or, at least,
b) you give evidence to the world that your phisycal condition and level of play is the same of one and half year ago.

Now the ball his on Kiwhi's side. Next step for ha and his group is that they can decide:

a) to stop all this bulshit and give express and convincing commitment to the spurs way
b)show in the USA national team camp that Kiwhi is healthy and still a solid nba basketball player (to judge the level of his game actually that is not enough);
c) renounce to USA basketball team meeting and continue to hide from the eyes of anybody interested to value his phisycal conditions....

one thing to notice.
Making the c) choice could be seen as a not committal to the USA national basketball team....and be the more than legitimate reason of excluding him from said team.
One could think that this could be beneficial to the player 'couse he will be at complete service of his next year new (supposed LA) basketball team...but reality is that from a marketability perspective, that would be an abysmal choice 'cause will diminish and maybe eliminate all his international marketability (that's frankly the only one that needs just his showing in the court, and not, like the usa marketability, off the court).
The clearer message would be “You’re not worth the supermax right now” and it’s up to Kawhi to figure out what to do with that information. Leonard can still salvage his career if he wins a lot and plays the hell out of his next contract.

[ElNono]

https://78.media.tumblr.com/1de2f74dc0cd4cab8d04b0af29042e98/tumblr_inline_oyyrw0QKCk1rkw28s_540.gif

:lol

[ElNono]

1019084014177718272

Spurs insider podcast w/ Jabari Young out. Discusses Kawhi and spurs Free agency

lol insider

[LkrFan]

Bruh, White got hurt. When he was playing he was destroying teams like in ORL.

I'll take your word for it. I haven't seen White play. Hart is balling tho:

1019112877163073536

Hart been very solid on D too. Despite KCP being LeBron's homie, I anticipate Hart starting this year. He's much improved. Nice blossoming 3 and D player.

[LkrFan]

You think hart is better than kuzma? But kuzma’s untouchable according to man of a 100 T-cells

On defense, yes. It ain't even close. Overall as a player, give me Kuz.

Kuz, like Lonzo, been in the weightroom this summer. I'm expecting improvement from both (defensively).

[iGetbuckets]

I expect kawhi’s bitch ass will damage his trade value even more today

stay tuned

[Mr. Body]

I'll take your word for it. I haven't seen White play. Hart is balling tho:

1019112877163073536

Hart been very solid on D too. Despite KCP being LeBron's homie, I anticipate Hart starting this year. He's much improved. Nice blossoming 3 and D player.

Josh Hart is the greatest basketball player of all time and also invented the game of basketball and also is good at it.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTsFt_fufl4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwgRjU1L6kA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhBiA1rHbG4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gUEiN61c1E

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Iv3CepXbQ

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALTA1Zwf64g&t=54s
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YOUNG OG >>>>>>>>>>>> young kawhiautistic

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvnS4AhiJLA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=399247kHGCQ

[cutewizard]

OG was born July 17! Happy birthday!!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2016/03/09/unexpected-rise-hoosiers-freshman-og-anunoby/81532446/

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGjbIZ2cD98

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnmVtWtjjBw

[superbigtime]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnmVtWtjjBw

Dang so ANNOYING

[Killakobe81]

CC doing more of the same on Undisputed.
I get that he has a connection to Kawhi's camp.
But I think his objectivity/journalistic integrity seems dubious ...he already stated what KL wants.
Is he just trying to get views/hits?

I think he should remove himself from reporting on the issue unless he has new info. he definitely seems to be forcing SA's hand ...

[MoSpur02]

CC doing more of the same on Undisputed.
I get that he has a connection to Kawhi's camp.
But I think his objectivity/journalistic integrity seems dubious ...he already stated what KL wants.
Is he just trying to get views/hits?

I think he should remove himself from reporting on the issue unless he has new info. he definitely seems to be forcing SA's hand ...

Exactly

[MoSpur02]

Does anyone have a summary or breakdown of the podcast Jabari Young posted?

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gUEiN61c1E

Dude, what the fuck. We all know what youtube is.

[iGetbuckets]

Dude, what the fuck. We all know what youtube is.

Seriously i came in here thinking new info came out only to find YouTube videos lol

[r0drig0lac]

Dude, what the fuck. We all know what youtube is.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[LkrFan]

Josh Hart is the greatest basketball player of all time and also invented the game of basketball and also is good at it.

:lol

[Keepin' it real]

He traded yet?

[cutewizard]

Im just bored, hahaha, sorry guys

[RD2191]

Y'all are sending up the RD2191 signal talking about Big Mona.

Did someone say big mona? :wakeup

[iGetbuckets]

You should see some of the trade proposals on realgms raptors board

JV being the center piece for Kawhi :lmao

[John B]

Nope. I guess we don’t hear from it until Team USA and Pops actually talks to him man-to-man. Until then they’re just rumors.

[FireMicoHalili]

Does anyone have a summary or breakdown of the podcast Jabari Young posted?
Had to do something but finished half. Thinks Leonard starts season with the Spurs because everything else has slowed down, thinks Raps deal is ridiculous, probably someone in Vegas just having fun with money.

[r0drig0lac]

Nope. I guess we don’t hear from it until Team USA and Pops actually talks to him man-to-man. Until then they’re just rumors.

agree

[YGWHI]

The clearer message would be “You’re not worth the supermax right now” and it’s up to Kawhi to figure out what to do with that information.

Kawhi's camp had that info since 2017 season. There were rumors about the Spurs would have trouble to offer a supermax deal because of Pop's retirement in the first year of that contract, the small market thing, Spurs' financial future...Just add Kawhi's healthy concerns and his camp knew they would never get that offer.

Without the supermax his camp doesn't have other option to ask for a trade but could have handled this in a better way.

If his representatives would have been cordial with PATFO, if they would have had a nice approach, I guess Pop would have sent Kawhi to LA in offseason's first week. Now, LA is impossible until next season.

[Mr. Body]

Kawhi's camp had that info since 2017 season. There were rumors about the Spurs would have trouble to offer a supermax deal because of Pop's retirement in the first year of that contract, the small market thing, Spurs' financial future...Just add Kawhi's healthy concerns and his camp knew they would never get that offer.

Without the supermax his camp doesn't have other option to ask for a trade but could have handled this in a better way.

If his representatives would have been cordial with PATFO, if they would have had a nice approach, I guess Pop would have sent Kawhi to LA in offseason's first week. Now, LA is impossible until next season.

I 100% believe this was all started from panic that he wouldn't be offered the supermax, or the Spurs would offer lower. His camp tried to hold him out, played games, and completely blew this thing to fucking smithereens. Now he'll make far less money for one team or another he didn't actually want to play for. A total fuck up.

[weeks]

12 straight posts..that's gotta be a record cutewizard

[Mr. Body]

You should see some of the trade proposals on realgms raptors board

JV being the center piece for Kawhi :lmao

I've seen a lot of deals without Anunoby. I don't see any trade without OG ever happening. It's ridiculous.

[Mugen]

This faggot still on the team tbh?

[Dex]

Nope. I guess we don’t hear from it until Team USA and Pops actually talks to him man-to-man. Until then they’re just rumors.

Hate to say it, but this is probably the case. Pop gonna see if Kawhi actually shows his face and try to get him alone.

Uncle Dennis will probably try to sneak in wearing a trench coat and Groucho Marx glasses so that he can hide Kawhi in a broom closet again.

[Mugen]

:lol this clown isn't going to Team USA camps tbh, he'll bitch out like he's done all year

[offset formation]

Why does spurstalk have to fag things up all the time

Hmm. Sounds like you're frustrated with ST. Go find a new board, focker.

[cd98]

LeBron is skipping Team USA practice.

[YGWHI]

I 100% believe this was all started from panic that he wouldn't be offered the supermax, or the Spurs would offer lower. His camp tried to hold him out, played games, and completely blew this thing to fucking smithereens. Now he'll make far less money for one team or another he didn't actually want to play for. A total fuck up.
Not sure if they really tried to play games to get the supermax because they knew they wouldn't get it since last season and more...It wasn't new.

But they definitely tried to play hardball with PATFO in the trade talks...when it didn't work, they panicked and talks broke down roughly

[cutewizard]

12 straight posts..that's gotta be a record cutewizard

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Just my boredom good Sir, hahahahaha

[TimDunkem]

Permaban that man cutewizard, please.

[lmbebo]

Kawhi's camp had that info since 2017 season. There were rumors about the Spurs would have trouble to offer a supermax deal because of Pop's retirement in the first year of that contract, the small market thing, Spurs' financial future...Just add Kawhi's healthy concerns and his camp knew they would never get that offer.

Without the supermax his camp doesn't have other option to ask for a trade but could have handled this in a better way.

If his representatives would have been cordial with PATFO, if they would have had a nice approach, I guess Pop would have sent Kawhi to LA in offseason's first week. Now, LA is impossible until next season.

Don't believe the spurs have a problem offering the supermax financially. Its devoting so much money to someone who has been a flake. Imagine him pulling this crap when eating half of the salary cap.

He might been offered the supermax if he hadn't played this last year out like he did. His camp is ruining his career. His family is ruining his career.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ784xewl2M

[sasaint]

Hate to say it, but this is probably the case. Pop gonna see if Kawhi actually shows his face and try to get him alone.

Uncle Dennis will probably try to sneak in wearing a trench coat and Groucho Marx glasses so that he can hide Kawhi in a broom closet again.

Not sure that really changes much at this point. Would Pop really want a guy who only met with him face-to-face when he was forced to by those circumstances?

[Dverde]

DeMar DeRozan is supposed to be at the Team USA camp too. Maybe Pop wants to work him out and check under the hood more before trading for him.

[lmbebo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ784xewl2M

Kawhi's camp just backed themselves into a corner.

[coachmac87]

Cris Carter talking and circles and making himself look really dumb...

Couldn’t even understand or answer Nick Wright’s question...Nick was pointing out “LA Teams” don’t have assets anymore to make a two team trade. 3rd team is needed due to contracts matching up..but there’s not many teams that can help.

In which he brings up Raptors and says they’re the favorite because it’s the easiest trade to complete. He then asks Carter since it’s unlikely a trade with LA teams happens..

Is Kawhi #1 priority getting out of SA? “Kawhi number one priority is getting to LA”

From threre Wright stumbling over his words and totally being perplexed by Carter answer. Carter also says it’s not “really 70 million” that Kawhi is passing up because $40m is from that fifth year lol. Says money isn’t a factor and being in LA makes him happy..

https://youtu.be/uQ784xewl2M

[cd98]

Cris Carter talking and circles and making himself look really dumb...

Couldn’t even understand or answer Nick Wright’s question...Nick was pointing out “LA Teams” don’t have assets anymore to make a two team trade. 3rd team is needed due to contracts matching up..but there’s not many teams that can help.

In which he brings up Raptors and says they’re the favorite because it’s the easiest trade to complete. He then asks Carter since it’s unlikely a trade with LA teams happens..

Is Kawhi #1 priority getting out of SA? “Kawhi number one priority is getting to LA”

From threre Wright stumbling over his words and totally being perplexed by Carter answer. Carter also says it’s not “really 70 million” that Kawhi is passing up because $40m is from that fifth year lol. Says money isn’t a factor and being in LA makes him happy..

https://youtu.be/uQ784xewl2M

Obviously Carter doesn't understand what is going on other than what he is fed by Dennis, who obviously doesn't understand the salary cap rules and what is needed to make the trade happen.

He's probably not getting traded to the Lakers until December at the soonest, so if he doesn't want to play in S.A., he'll have to settle on a trade elsewhere, which looks like it could be Toronto.

And again, if money doesn't matter, then why not sign the deal with Nike?

[raybies]

Cris Carter talking and circles and making himself look really dumb...

Couldn’t even understand or answer Nick Wright’s question...Nick was pointing out “LA Teams” don’t have assets anymore to make a two team trade. 3rd team is needed due to contracts matching up..but there’s not many teams that can help.

In which he brings up Raptors and says they’re the favorite because it’s the easiest trade to complete. He then asks Carter since it’s unlikely a trade with LA teams happens..

Is Kawhi #1 priority getting out of SA? “Kawhi number one priority is getting to LA”

From threre Wright stumbling over his words and totally being perplexed by Carter answer. Carter also says it’s not “really 70 million” that Kawhi is passing up because $40m is from that fifth year lol. Says money isn’t a factor and being in LA makes him happy..

https://youtu.be/uQ784xewl2M
Yeah Carter kept looking up over and over again... I hope he realizes after all this time that his responses are perplexing and don't make sense, even Nick alluded to that.

[RD2191]

Couldn't even watch 2 minutes of that shit.

[Killakobe81]

Cris Carter talking and circles and making himself look really dumb...

Couldn’t even understand or answer Nick Wright’s question...Nick was pointing out “LA Teams” don’t have assets anymore to make a two team trade. 3rd team is needed due to contracts matching up..but there’s not many teams that can help.

In which he brings up Raptors and says they’re the favorite because it’s the easiest trade to complete. He then asks Carter since it’s unlikely a trade with LA teams happens..

Is Kawhi #1 priority getting out of SA? “Kawhi number one priority is getting to LA”

From threre Wright stumbling over his words and totally being perplexed by Carter answer. Carter also says it’s not “really 70 million” that Kawhi is passing up because $40m is from that fifth year lol. Says money isn’t a factor and being in LA makes him happy..

https://youtu.be/uQ784xewl2M

Like I said his objectivity on this matter is compromised.
He was trying to say its not $70 million because of the extra year baked in to CBA ...
But that doesnt mean spurs can not offer $70 million more which is a fact.
You can spin it if you want but Spurs can offer a supermax even if KL gets a 2nd contract after an initial contract from Toronto, Philly, Clippers or Lakers he still losing money. maybe he gets some back off the court but he wil lose salary.

[Dverde]

Kawhi can’t stop being a rental. Such stupidity. Idiot co-host didn’t ask the obvious follow up question whether Kawhi will sit out or refuse to report.

[coachmac87]

Obviously Carter doesn't understand what is going on other than what he is fed by Dennis, who obviously doesn't understand the salary cap rules and what is needed to make the trade happen.

He's probably not getting traded to the Lakers until December at the soonest, so if he doesn't want to play in S.A., he'll have to settle on a trade elsewhere, which looks like it could be Toronto.

And again, if money doesn't matter, then why not sign the deal with Nike?


They’re full of shit....they keep moving the goal post to fit the narrative..

Carter and SJax both have said in recent shows in past that if Spurs didn’t offer super max he was GONE. Both alluded to hold out because the Max was on the line. Once they realized the max wasn’t just gonna be handed to them they demanded trade to LA. “Preferably Lakers” according to Woj

Camp assumed Lakers would sell the farm but then got cold feet once they realized the King was coming. The group then changed the tune to “prefer clippers” once they saw Lakers left them for LeBrom..just shows they group is clueless on what’s going on and how they see Kawhi value

Spurs and Group are attempting to back each into a corner. Spurs are obviously winning this battle....They’re not trading him to LA. Toronto deal is pretty much ready to be completed..but they’re giving the group a way out by giving them an option to talk it out in hopes of getting that SM back on the table..

If not enjoy Canada and -80M

[tbdog]

Dennis Robertson has approached multiple players about wanting to become their manager, according to multiple NBA agents.Robertson is currently representing his nephew Kawhi Leonard.
There is a growing suspicion among several NBA agents that Robertson is attempting to build his own marketing company with Leonard as its signature client.
Robertson is a former banking executive.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250727/Dennis-Robertson-Has-Approached-Multiple-Players-About-Representing-Them

[FireMicoHalili]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ784xewl2M
Saw some posts saying he looks dumb so I had to give him the benefit of the doubt and yeah nope dumb-looking as hell. I thought Jabari was THE mouthpiece but this guy is something else. Really seems like a guy working out of his car slipped him $20 to keep repeating Kawhi wants to go to Los Angeles. He can’t even answer Wright’s questions with a tinge of substance, though I now understand why Pinoy Marauder keeps quoting this dude.

[offset formation]

Kawhi can’t stop being a rental. Such stupidity. Idiot co-host didn’t ask the obvious follow up question whether Kawhi will sit out or refuse to report.

I think he didn't want to put Carter in that spot. But yeah, journalism 101.

Each passing day, this group--to include everyone from his sister, Cris Carter, and of course his uncle, his agent, his agency, and any and all of its investors--is making Kawhi look like a bigger and bigger impotent and immature child.

There's just no common sense to any of this. And their strategy, whatever the fuck that was, has blown up in their collective brown-nosing faces. Good riddance, when it comes.

[coachmac87]

Like I said his objectivity on this matter is compromised.
He was trying to say its not $70 million because of the extra year baked in to CBA ...
But that doesnt mean spurs can not offer $70 million more which is a fact.
You can spin it if you want but Spurs can offer a supermax even if KL gets a 2nd contract after an initial contract from Toronto, Philly, Clippers or Lakers he still losing money. maybe he gets some back off the court but he wil lose salary.

5/221M

4/140M

Just look at that for a little bit...

Kawhi will get endorsement wherever he plays if he’s not damaged goods. He had the “Kawhi Tho” commercial and brand getting legs. If he re-established himself as MVP and IMO could again be the favorite if he stayed in SA..other $$ will come.

$221M is the easiest quarter Billion he can make....there’s no making it back.

[moisaenz]

Like if Kawhi didn't have a history of injuries, completely disregarding the possibility of having another throughout those four years.