Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[spurschamps99030507]

Again, unless its a deal that blows your mind, force him to come into training camp. Plenty of time to talk to KL alone and "heal" the relationship (which I don't think is actually the problem) before Feb deadline. I mean is Uncle Dennis going to be on the team bus, the team plane, the team shower with KL at all times?

If you can somehow get on the same page, then KL should be motivated to re-earn the SuperMax by making All NBA or DPOY.

Of course, he could take another year off to"nurse his injury" until he's an FA. But then KL would have lost 2 years of his prime, 80 million dollars, and a lot of good will league wide. Even Uncle Dennis would have to admit that perhaps it wasn't the soundest advice.

Also, by then the Lakers would like have eaten their cap space. So cross that destination off the list Denny...

+2

[apalisoc_9]

Yo stop attacking family members. Unless its Dennis, they dont have anything to do with these.

[Russ]

He doesn't get to audition for his next contract on the Spurs time.

Nah, Kawhi should light it up for the Spurs next season if possible because (1) it helps the team win, (2) it increases his trade value and (3) maybe once he works up a sweat, the old feelings kick in and he wants to stay and win.

[marinoman]

It's just his logo, not sure why people are over analyzing it. Probably just a simple pro-Kawhi post.

And it's such a beautiful, creative logo too. I was anxiously waiting for the day when official merchandise with his logo came out. All I have is a t-shirt with it which will probably have to be burned now. :cry
Don’t you have a dog named after kawhi? Burn the dog!

[Mugen]

Yo stop attacking family members. Unless its Dennis, they dont have anything to do with these.

Seriously, Uncle Retard and Jabari are fair game. But his sister/mom, by all accounts, have been pro-Spurs.

You fat losers should leave them alone tbh.

[exstatic]

Again, unless its a deal that blows your mind, force him to come into training camp. Plenty of time to talk to KL alone and "heal" the relationship (which I don't think is actually the problem) before Feb deadline. I mean is Uncle Dennis going to be on the team bus, the team plane, the team shower with KL at all times?

If you can somehow get on the same page, then KL should be motivated to re-earn the SuperMax by making All NBA or DPOY.

Of course, he could take another year off to"nurse his injury" until he's an FA. But then KL would have lost 2 years of his prime, 80 million dollars, and a lot of good will league wide. Even Uncle Dennis would have to admit that perhaps it wasn't the soundest advice.

Also, by then the Lakers would like have eaten their cap space. So cross that destination off the list Denny...

I don't think you even need to wait for training camp. LA will be very interested in signing the FAs they want. They won't want to dawdle, and once they cap out, trades become easier and more lucrative.

[DPG21920]

Yo stop attacking family members. Unless its Dennis, they dont have anything to do with these.

Best thing you’ve posted in a long, long while.

[r0drig0lac]

Yo stop attacking family members. Unless its Dennis, they dont have anything to do with these.

fair

[baseline bum]

Nah, he should light it up for the Spurs next season if possible because (1) it helps the team win, (2) it increases his trade value and (3) maybe once he works up a sweat, the old feelings kick in and he wants to stay and win.

I disagree on point (3), he already abandoned the team and I don't see how you can go back on that. And then (1) would be the worst part since you'd get a worse draft pick and still lose Kawhi anyways. I also disagree somewhat on (2) because if you suspend him you can probably get him to expand the list of teams he'd extend with since he's going to be dying to get out on the floor. There is no way he's going to want to sit out another season.

[DPG21920]

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[BillMc]

1008831544088244225

Wow. What does Vegas know?

[barakz21]

Welp.. I don't have the luxury of burning my Kawhi Jersey if all this is true and if he does move. Gift from the wife, and THE only Spurs jersey I have besides TD's which got left behind overseas

[FkLA]

Don’t you have a dog named after kawhi? Burn the dog!

I cant :cry

[Russ]

Wow. What does Vegas know?

#1 pick?

[21209]

Maybe he wants out since he's opposed to the Spurs bringing back Tony Parker on a loyalty contract.

Hasn't there always been some friction between the two of them?

[SuperCam]

thinking some boston meatball with 4000 followers knows anything :lol

[baseline bum]

#2 pick?

If it's Phoenix it's likely the #1 pick, one of Brandon Knight/Tyson Chandler, and one of Dragan Bender / Josh Jackson / Alex Len to match salary. Assuming no 3-way trade that is.

[FkLA]

What would the PHX offer even be? The #1 obviously but what else, Jackson+$20 million worth of their worst contracts?

[BillMc]

#1 pick?

Could only be.

[Mugen]

:lol If the Suns actually traded #1 for Kawhi...

[baseline bum]

thinking some boston meatball with 4000 followers knows anything :lol

He's claiming those are the odds at 5dimes.com. I don't bet on sports so have no account and no way of checking if it's actually true.

[exstatic]

Wow. What does Vegas know?

Vegas sets odds so that the money comes down even. It doesn't mean anything. A bunch of people bet the longshot, so the odds changed.

[Seventyniner]

How about the ultimate "show me" trade: Kawhi + Pau for LeBron? Assuming LeBron has told the Cavs he's otherwise walking away, that's by far the most they could get in return.

[baseline bum]

What would the PHX offer even be? The #1 obviously but what else, Jackson+$20 million worth of their worst contracts?

LOL one post above you bro :lol

[BillMc]

If it's Phoenix it's likely the #1 pick, one of Brandon Knight/Tyson Chandler, and one of Dragan Bender / Josh Jackson / Alex Len to match salary. Assuming no 3-way trade that is.

Didn't LMA have some great desire to play with Tyson Chandler a few years back?

[Seventyniner]

Vegas sets odds so that the money comes down even. It doesn't mean anything. A bunch of people bet the longshot, so the odds changed.

First part is right.
Second part might be wrong if the bettor(s) have inside info.
Third part is close, it's more about how much money has been bet as opposed to how many people.

[RD2191]

Seriously, Uncle Retard and Jabari are fair game. But his sister/mom, by all accounts, have been pro-Spurs.

You fat losers should leave them alone tbh.

Leave DMC alone bruh

[Russ]

If it's Phoenix it's likely the #1 pick, one of Brandon Knight/Tyson Chandler, and one of Dragan Bender / Josh Jackson / Alex Len to match salary. Assuming no 3-way trade that is.

You caught me if the 15 second window before I changed it -- Sacramento on my mind.

[marinoman]

We’d want doncic with pick 1 right?

[Mugen]

What would PHX offer even be? The #1 obviously but what else, Jack+$20 million worth of their worst contracts?

#1 would be ridiculous enough tbh

[r0drig0lac]

1008831544088244225

wtf

[baseline bum]

First part is right.
Second part might be wrong if the bettor(s) have inside info.
Third part is close, it's more about how much money has been bet as opposed to how many people.

It's probably just trolling from whoever this is on twitter.

[tbdog]

Hypothetically, magic could sign and trade Aaron Gordon on the max for ball and kuzma. Then send us Gordon with lakers picks.

[marinoman]

What betting site? Bovada still has em high

[Budkin]

If the Suns actually gave us the #1 pick for Kawhi... :lmao

[DPG21920]

If it's Phoenix it's likely the #1 pick, one of Brandon Knight/Tyson Chandler, and one of Dragan Bender / Josh Jackson / Alex Len to match salary. Assuming no 3-way trade that is.

PHX has space, don’t need to match salaries.

[r0drig0lac]

We’d want doncic with pick 1 right?
Ayrton

[DPG21920]

Kevin Love netted a number one pick when everyone was in love with Wiggins.

[Dex]

Suns would be retarded to give up the #1 pick for a likely one-year rental on Kawhi.

Then again, this is the Suns we are talking about.

[Russ]

If the Spurs pick up the #1 for Kawhi (unlikely I think) it would be one of the greatest year-to-year draft stories of all time.

First the Spurs take George Hill at #26.

Then, after getting good value from Hill, they turn #26 Hill into #15 Kawhi.

Then, after getting great value from Kawhi, they turn #15 Kawhi into the #1 pick.

Who needs to tank, just keep moving up while winning.

Brilliant, it it actually happens.

[Mugen]

Kevin Love netted a number one pick when everyone was in love with Wiggins.

I want to belive bruh but that Cavs team had Kyrie/Bron. You think Sarver is all in with Booker and Marqueese Chriss? :lol

[SupremeGuy]

If the Suns actually gave us the #1 pick for Kawhi... :lmaoBest possible scenario.

[SuperCam]

by the time ayton is any good, PATFO will already be retired, and LMA already gone tbh. still, if Sarver is dumb enough to make that deal, and it's possible given how long suns have beens sucking, you take that everytime

[baseline bum]

Just found the odds for Kawhi being a Sun on 5dimes.eu. They have it +300 that his first game of 2018-19 is in a Suns uniform, -420 that it isn't. Sounds like it was just some twitter trolling.

https://image.ibb.co/iZbDPd/5dimes.png

https://www.5dimes.eu/livelines/livelines.aspx

[SuperCam]

Just found the odds for Kawhi being a Sun on 5dimes.eu. They have it +300 that his first game of 2018-19 is in a Suns uniform, -420 that it isn't.

https://image.ibb.co/iZbDPd/5dimes.png

https://www.5dimes.eu/livelines/livelines.aspx


so some dabom level moron accidently pumped up the odds and now they are falling back down :lol lol spur fan who thinks this means anything

[baseline bum]

PHX has space, don’t need to match salaries.

If the trade is made July 1st then yeah. Which happens a lot with draft day trades.

[baseline bum]

Didn't LMA have some great desire to play with Tyson Chandler a few years back?

Yeah what a retard

[RD2191]

Yeah what a retard

:lol

[baseline bum]

God they have LeBron -140 to play for the Lakers.

[Chillen]

Spurs could trade Kawhi for Suns #1 pick and try and sign one of LeBron or Paul George despite the Lakers report. If Kawhi is traded to Suns, Lakers with just LeBron and Paul George not enough to possibly beat Warriors.

[acoelho1]

Spurs can't let Leonard walk for nothing; it would set the franchise back years. Brown, Kings 1st, Rozier, Morris (rerouted for something like Bradley and Jerebko's non guaranteed, who'd be waived), Yabusele, Nader, might not sound great, but it's a chance at 2 foundational pieces (Brown, who already looks to be and the Kings 1st), plus a low end starter (Rozier). That's like skipping the first few years of a typical re-build.

I say we risk losing him for nothing and keep him part of the team as long as possible and do all you can to repair the relationship. I rather bottom out than take back players that won’t get us any closer to a championship. We’d be at best Atlanta or Toronto of the West.

[marinoman]

Money is coming in tho on kawhi to Phoenix

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:http://www.spurstalk.com/ea5c0ec1-ffe3-4006-80eb-dc31857dc658https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgAgJQGUcAARGty?format=jpg

[TimDunkem]

I say we risk losing him for nothing and keep him part of the team as long as possible and do all you can to repair the relationship. I rather bottom out than take back players that won’t get us any closer to a championship. We’d be at best Atlanta or Toronto of the West.

Kawhi or no Kawhi, this team isn't winning a chip with no guards, and only one decent big who mostly shoots fadeaway 3s.

[baseline bum]

Maybe they don't next season, but with their youth and depth and the Warriors mileage piling up and lack of depth, they should be able to eventually overtake them. I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense for them to trade for Leonard, but they don't need it in the typical way a team in their position would.

I'd do this trade if I were them because they'd be in good position if he walked, but financially it'll be difficult to make it work long term with their core and it'll be as difficult if not more keeping everyone happy. 4 go to type perimeter players, all in or pre prime, is unprecedented. Someone(s) is probably going to be unhappy.

Spurs can't let Leonard walk for nothing; it would set the franchise back years. Brown, Kings 1st, Rozier, Morris (rerouted for something like Bradley and Jerebko's non guaranteed, who'd be waived), Yabusele, Nader, might not sound great, but it's a chance at 2 foundational pieces (Brown, who already looks to be and the Kings 1st), plus a low end starter (Rozier). That's like skipping the first few years of a typical re-build.

Brown foundational. :lmao

Dude is statistically a below average player with his 13.6 PER. Your trade would set the team back years. I'm not interested in paying Jaylen Brown $25 million a year in two years in the hopes of him peaking as an above average starter.

[DPG21920]

I want to belive bruh but that Cavs team had Kyrie/Bron. You think Sarver is all in with Booker and Marqueese Chriss? :lol

Booker and Kawhi for sure. Then attracting other stars due to that.

[DPG21920]

so some dabom level moron accidently pumped up the odds and now they are falling back down :lol lol spur fan who thinks this means anything

even having it at +300 now means PHX is the favorite. You can’t even bet on any other team on that site and it’s legit.

[DPG21920]

Suns would be retarded to give up the #1 pick for a likely one-year rental on Kawhi.

Then again, this is the Suns we are talking about.

They would have assurances if they did the trade.

[Play Boban]

the whole thing says KL2
I know. I’m just spreading conspiracies. :lol

[baseline bum]

Money is coming in tho on kawhi to Phoenix

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:http://www.spurstalk.com/ea5c0ec1-ffe3-4006-80eb-dc31857dc658https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgAgJQGUcAARGty?format=jpg

Phoenix isn't even on the board on bovada.

https://sports.bovada.lv/basketball/nba-specials/what-team-will-kawhi-leonard-play-for-game-1-of-the-2018-2019-season-201806191900

[DPG21920]

I want to belive bruh but that Cavs team had Kyrie/Bron. You think Sarver is all in with Booker and Marqueese Chriss? :lol

Also, you all know I’ve been touting Kawhi to PHX for a while. I think it makes perfect sense assuming PHX can 1) keep Booker and 2) have assurances Kawhi will re-sign.

PHX isn’t the biggest market but it’s bigger than SA, they have great medical team and Booker is viewed as a star. I can see the appeal.

We shall see.

[coachmac87]

Spurs get #1, #16 and Jackson?

[Thomas82]

We’d want doncic with pick 1 right?

I would want Ayton with that one.

[marinoman]

even having it at +300 now means PHX is the favorite. You can’t even bet on any other team on that site and it’s legit.
Odds are getting closer too, calls were made

[baseline bum]

even having it at +300 now means PHX is the favorite. You can’t even bet on any other team on that site and it’s legit.

Bovada has Kawhi to LA at -135.

[TD 21]

Brown foundational. :lmao

Dude is statistically a below average player with his 13.6 PER. Your trade would set the team back years. I'm not interested in paying Jaylen Brown $25 million a year in two years in the hopes of him peaking as an above average starter.

Foundational player = potential to be top 3 player on a good team.

:lmao Brown has played at 20 and 21 in his first 2 seasons. He already made a significant jump from season 1 to 2. Go and look at the progression in advanced stats from James, Durant, Leonard, Antetokounmpo, Butler, George, etc. from the beginning of their career until now. Can't see him getting to the level of the first 4, but I don't think the last 2 are out of the question.

You unrealistic idiots are going to be in for a rude awakening if/when a trade comes to fruition. They're not getting a massive haul.

[Killakobe81]

If the Spurs pick up the #1 for Kawhi (unlikely I think) it would be one of the greatest year-to-year draft stories of all time.

First the Spurs take George Hill at #26.

Then, after getting good value from Hill, they turn #26 Hill into #15 Kawhi.

Then, after getting great value from Kawhi, they turn #15 Kawhi into the #1 pick.

Who needs to tank, just keep moving up while winning.

Brilliant, it it actually happens.

Couldnt argue with this over Tatum package.. even if not much else came back. Even in a weak draft the #1 pick has intrinsic value.I think they have another #1 dont they? Jackson and the #1 pick or an additional first would be great value plus Suns keep booker could be a win/win. Spurs have had great success with the #1 pick not that they have had many but hey some teams we know and love draft Olowokandi, Wiggins, bennett or Greg Oden ...:lol

[coachmac87]

Foundational player = potential to be top 3 player on a good team.

:lmao Brown has played at 20 and 21 in his first 2 seasons. He already made a significant jump from season 1 to 2. Go and look at the progression in advanced stats from James, Durant, Leonard, Antetokounmpo, Butler, George, etc. from the beginning of their career until now. Can't see him getting to the level of the first 4, but I don't think the last 2 are out of the question.

You unrealistic idiots are going to be in for a rude awakening if/when a trade comes to fruition. They're not getting a massive haul.

You’re so emotional...

[baseline bum]

Foundational player = potential to be top 3 player on a good team.

:lmao Brown has played at 20 and 21 in his first 2 seasons. He already made a significant jump from season 1 to 2. Go and look at the progression in advanced stats from James, Durant, Leonard, Antetokounmpo, Butler, George, etc. from the beginning of their career until now. Can't see him getting to the level of the first 4, but I don't think the last 2 are out of the question.

You unrealistic idiots are going to be in for a rude awakening if/when a trade comes to fruition. They're not getting a massive haul.

They can get a better offer from Philly and stick it to Ainge at the same time for not offering Tatum. I don't know why you're in such a rush to take pennies on the dollar. At least try to get 45 cents.

[Killakobe81]

Spurs get #1, #16 and Jackson?

if you guys get all that ... great haul.
I don't love this draft, but Spurs do have a proven track record with development ...

[tbdog]

You take suns 1st, Jackson and chandler. You bring back gay and kyle and run the same team. You let chandler and Gasol expire and explore 2020 free agency. Pop retired in this scenario Btw.

[Gino20]

According to the Gambling Podcast Twitter account, Kawhi to PHX is a done deal. It’s for #1, #16, and other assents. So dry don’t know how to post twitter messages.

[Killakobe81]

I will laugh my ass off though if Spurs only get Jackson and #16 ...

[NASpurs]

According to the Gambling Podcast Twitter account, Kawhi to PHX is a done deal. It’s for #1, #16, and other assents. So dry don’t know how to post twitter messages.

We can only dream.

[Killakobe81]

According to the Gambling Podcast Twitter account, Kawhi to PHX is a done deal. It’s for #1, #16, and other assents. So dry don’t know how to post twitter messages.

if true, awesome trade.

[baseline bum]

According to the Gambling Podcast Twitter account, Kawhi to PHX is a done deal. It’s for #1, #16, and other assents. So dry don’t know how to post twitter messages.

Since the link is https://twitter.com/GamblingPodcast/status/1008836958414503937 you would embed the tweet as

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where you replace the word fuck by the word tweet

Here's the tweet

1008836958414503937

[baseline bum]

Why should anyone trust Gambling Podcast though? If this was actually happening Woj or Shams would likely be the ones reporting it.

[Gino20]

Why should anyone trust Gambling Podcast though? If this was actually happening Woj or Shams would likely be the ones reporting it.


Agreed.

[baseline bum]

if true, awesome trade.

Meh if true it's like getting the rapist to wear a condom.

[TD 21]

They can get a better offer from Philly and stick it to Ainge at the same time for not offering Tatum. I don't know why you're in such a rush to take pennies on the dollar. At least try to get 45 cents.

Only if Doncic is available at 3 and they can reroute Fultz to the Hawks. I'd be surprised if this gets wrapped up on draft night though. Even then, Doncic is an unknown quantity in the NBA. Fultz would be a massive risk.

I'm not in a rush to take anything. I've repeatedly said I'd slow play this (maybe even taking it up to the trade deadline) and would actually still try to reconcile first. I'm just saying, if it eventually has to come to a trade, this is probably the best they can do. If fits the typical superstar or star trade criteria of relatively high reward/low risk.

[Spurs da champs]

Meh if true it's like getting the rapist to wear a condom.

Phoenix still run by the same guy who was signing and trading all these PGs? If so, definitely not improbable.

[ace3g]

Jeff McDonald on Dan Patrick show...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZklu8rdi0I

[marinoman]

Maybe Phoenix is trying to get into the lebron game as someone mentioned. But the Suns are young, they should take gasol as a mentor

[RD2191]

:lol if kawhi has to play a season in Phoenix. Uncle Dennis really fucked him on this one :lol

[tholdren]

Meh if true it's like getting the rapist to wear a condom.

And saying thank you because its better than sending to philly or la for their garbage pgs. Best scenario other than lebron, or thompson bell from gs

[Gino20]

Watch it be a ploy by PATFO to get Uncle Dennis to sweat and reconsider :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

There's no way Phoenix is giving up the 1, 16 AND Jackson:lol I can't even envision a scenario where they would think about that..

I guess maybe Sarver and their fans hate the Spurs enough that they desperately want the guy who took a shit on the Spurs' franchise:lol

[Chillen]

If this trade is true Suns will probably trade Leonard to Lakers for Ball, Ingram and one of Randle or Kuzma. I doubt he stays there.

[DAF86]

Since the link is https://twitter.com/GamblingPodcast/status/1008836958414503937 you would embed the tweet as

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where you replace the word fuck by the word tweet

Here's the tweet

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Why would the Suns do that without commitment from Kawhi?

[dabom]

Jeff McDonald on Dan Patrick show...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZklu8rdi0I

So much more information than that jabarifuck. :lol

[baseline bum]

Why would the Suns do that without commitment from Kawhi?

Beats the hell out of me. I can't imagine they would.

[DPG21920]

There's no way Phoenix is giving up the 1, 16 AND Jackson:lol I can't even envision a scenario where they would think about that..

I guess maybe Sarver and their fans hate the Spurs enough that they desperately want the guy who took a shit on the Spurs' franchise:lol

Why? If Kawhi will play there and you keep Booker it’s a no brainer.

[HarlemHeat37]

Why? If Kawhi will play there and you keep Booker it’s a no brainer.

Why would he? That's the point..it would be pretty fucking strange if Kawhi wants out of SA, yet wants to stay in Phoenix long term:lol

[ducks]

Why would he? That's the point..it would be pretty fucking strange if Kawhi wants out of SA, yet wants to stay in Phoenix long term:lol

he does not trust spurs medicial team

[Ron Swanson]

I know when I need some breaking NBA news, I think of Gambling Podcast.

Woj bomb? Nah
Shams with the goods? Nope

Gambling. Fucking. Podcast.

[SpursDynasty85]

Why would he? That's the point..it would be pretty fucking strange if Kawhi wants out of SA, yet wants to stay in Phoenix long term:lol

Phoenix is not that far from LA and media would be less frantic. Who knows, maybe he is his own man and would like to play for the other reputable medical team.

[ducks]

with the suns he would be the man and if he got them a title unlike Charles and nash

[TD 21]

#1 isn't realistic. Jackson, Bender, 16 for Leonard and Gasol could be, at least in principle. Couldn't happen officially until July 1st, when the Suns can absorb the salary differential into their cap space.

Obviously, the Suns would be hoping to sell Leonard on a future big 3 with Booker and Ayton. I can't imagine he'd re-sign, but it's possible they'd delude themselves into thinking (hoping, really) otherwise.

I like the Celtics option better than that though. The Suns one is too high risk/minimal reward.

[HarlemHeat37]

Phoenix is not that far from LA and media would be less frantic. Who knows, maybe he is his own man and would like to play for the other reputable medical team.

It would be strange IMO..other than Sacramento, Phoenix is easily the most dysfunctional franchise in the West, they aren't exactly a FA destination anymore..maybe if they sold him on Booker and the #1 pick, but the rumored deal would include the pick, so I don't think Booker-Kawhi alone is appealing enough to trust the direction of the Suns..

I hope he does want to go there, though, since it would be a nice haul for the Spurs.. franchise-changing..who knows what Kawhi actually wants:lol

[DPG21920]

Why would he? That's the point..it would be pretty fucking strange if Kawhi wants out of SA, yet wants to stay in Phoenix long term:lol

PHX is a bigger market, maybe he loves Booker or maybe he’s just tired of SA and PHX is closer to home while having a medical team he trusts? I don’t know.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Does Phoenix still have that world renowned medical staff? Lol maybe they're hoping they can sell Kawhi on that

[coachmac87]

PHX is a bigger market, maybe he loves Booker or maybe he’s just tired of SA and PHX is closer to home while having a medical team he trusts? I don’t know.

Or maybe Spurs told him...Lakers isn’t gonna happen bud.

[BillMc]

Why would he? That's the point..it would be pretty fucking strange if Kawhi wants out of SA, yet wants to stay in Phoenix long term:lol

Phoenix only an hour flight from LA? (I'm grasping as straws here. :lol)

[marinoman]

according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
"I don't think the Spurs are in any rush to make a decision about Leonard's future, certainly on the trade front," Wojnarowski reported Monday, via Rob Lopez (https://twitter.com/r0bato/status/1008857318157627393) of Def Pen Hoops.

[marinoman]

Woj must not listen to the gambling podcast

[CGD]

The source is stupid, but is the idea that crazy? Say you land Leonard as Suns. You have Booker, crazy Chriss, maybe Jackson, and Leonard to sell PG or even LeBron on. Didnt someone say it’s only an hour from LA too? That’s a better nucleus to sell Leonard on next summer than what spurs have, plus Suns will be armed with full bird right raises, no state taxes, and a city that matches Leonard’s personality more than LA.

I’ll tell you what, if something like that was crazy enough to happen, I’m calling Vlade on LMA for 2 and Sactos garbage contracts.

[BillMc]

Woj must not listen to the gambling podcast
:lol

[Ron Swanson]

Do you know who’s been quiet during all of this?

Tspence

[Mugen]

Sarver is a fucking idiot and a tool and even I don't think he's dumb enough to trade #1.

[DPG21920]

I will laugh my ass off though if Spurs only get Jackson and #16 ...

Very well could be the case...and it will be disappointing as much as I like Jackson.

[RD2191]

Can we do Kawhi and LMA for 1/16 and Jackson? Sounds more believable. Plus LMA loves the Suns, fukin beta faggot.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Jeff McDonald on Dan Patrick show...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZklu8rdi0I

I’m not able this watch this can anyone summarize what is said?

[TheDoctor]

Don’t believe in The Gambling Podcast. They don’t have legit sources.

Ok.

[RD2191]

I’m not able this watch this can anyone summarize what is said?

Same old shit, both sides don't trust each other, Kawhi feels PATFO did him wrong on his rehab. Pretty much things that we already know.

[Russ]

Why would he? That's the point..it would be pretty fucking strange if Kawhi wants out of SA, yet wants to stay in Phoenix long term:lol

Phoenix is a dusty desert town like Riverside, where Kawhi grew up.

He would love it there. :)

[ace3g]

1008870423969370112

[ernest787]

I’m not able this watch this can anyone summarize what is said?

- This started the year before last with the quad injury and Kawhi's camp felt the injury was mishandled
- Spurs dont have to trade to LA even if that is where he wants to go
- Lakers don't really have the assets to make a trade work, but if Boston/Philly/etc don't put up a good offer the Spurs could take what they can get
- Spurs aren't getting a top 5 player for Kawhi at this point so they should look at draft picks.
- He thinks Pop hangs it up by 2020. Possibly this could be the last year.
- He's not sure where Kawhi goes but doesn't believe he will be on the team next year
- He believes he could be traded before the draft on Thursday

[BillMc]

I’m not able this watch this can anyone summarize what is said?

Nothing too new.

1. Division started in the summer when KL went to his own doctors and Spurs felt out of the loop.
2. Grew to the point where Spurs suspected injury might be a way to force himself out of SA.
3. Pop not expected beyond 2020 but no one really knows.
4. Pop more engaged in team in recent weeks.
5. Uncle Dennis has a personality similar to Lavar Ball. RC and Pop don't like dealing with him.
6. Suspects KL will be off Spurs by start of season. No idea where.

[MaNu4Tres]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

[RD2191]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

Fuck all that. Just keep kawhi in S.A.

[MaNu4Tres]

Fuck all that. Just keep kawhi in S.A.

That's not an option.

[RD2191]

That's not an option.

:wakeup :pctoss

[Russ]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

That sounds more realistic. Unfortunately.

[ducks]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

no number one?

[SpursBig3s]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

that is awful

[ducks]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2018/02/25/phoenix-suns-elfrid-payton-hair-nba/370417002/

[Russ]

That's not an option.

Why not?

Just keep Kawhi and slap his picture on the cover of the media guide. :lol

[ducks]

nothing from the sixers or clippers?

[baseline bum]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

What would Lakers blinking be? Their best trade offer would be shit.

[Ron Swanson]

If we get Payton, he has to cut his hair. I’m not watching that shit for 82+ games.

[MaNu4Tres]

no number one?

I'd imagine that's what SA is aiming for, but Suns are aware of the reality of the 1 yr marriage ( along with every team outside of LA).

[MaNu4Tres]

What would Lakers blinking be? Their best trade offer would be shit.

Confident they will get him In 12 months.

[Kindergarten Cop]

If we get Payton, he has to cut his hair. I’m not watching that shit for 82+ games.

He cut it already a month or 2 ago.

[baseline bum]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

I would just sit Kawhi out for the season rather than take any of those deals.

[ernest787]

Yeah. If those are the rumored offers, just make Kawhi play. Those suck

[marinoman]

If we get Payton, he has to cut his hair. I’m not watching that shit for 82+ games.
Well if that’s the trade you’re not gonna have to worry about the + part

[baseline bum]

Yeah. If those are the rumored offers, just make Kawhi play. Those suck

I wouldn't play him. I would sit him. There is no reason for the Spurs to waste any more time with that faggot.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully PHX blinks first.

[MaNu4Tres]

I would just sit Kawhi out for the season rather than take any of those deals.

I'd rather have Zhaire Smith, Josh Jackson, and Keita Bates Diop rather than just Keita Bates Diop for the 19/20 season when Kawhi goes home to LA.

[DPG21920]

Also, if LA signs two max guys this off season Kawhi is so screwed with regards to Lakers.

[BillMc]

Hopefully PHX blinks first.


Get idiot franchises SAC and PHX competing against each other. One will blink and Spurs get a top 2 pick and more.

[rasuo214]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

I told you guys Ainge wouldn't want to trade Brown and Tatum.

[baseline bum]

I'd rather have Zhaire Smith, Josh Jackson, and Keita Bates Diop rather than just Keita Bates Diop for the 19/20 season when Kawhi goes home to LA.

I'd rather dare him to sit out a second season of his prime and hope he gets on his agent's ass to get something done so I get a player of value. By value I mean Tatum or better. No point not gambling when the safe bet is dogshit. I'd love to see LA so no to LeBron also. :lol

[Leetonidas]

Also, if LA signs two max guys this off season Kawhi is so screwed with regards to Lakers.

Yep. No one is really talking about that. Are the Lakers really going to turn down PG and Bron if they want to sign? Then they can only trade for kawhi anyway

[RD2191]

Amin is roasting us on ESPN right now :lol

[baseline bum]

I told you guys Ainge wouldn't want to trade Brown and Tatum.

Damn and Manu4tes completely vindicated you. Sorry to doubt.

[objective]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.

That would be possibly the worst trade of all time.

Hornacek, Andrew Lang and another scrub were better value for Barkley.

[baseline bum]

Yep. No one is really talking about that. Are the Lakers really going to turn down PG and Bron if they want to sign? Then they can only trade for kawhi anyway

No Kawhi is going to sign there for the midlevel, remember money doesn't matter to him.

[objective]

Besides, Payton is a free agent, there's not going to be a sign & trade to get that guy anyway

[Mugen]

I fully expect PATFO to get trade raped, but I at least hope they get a nice, HEB steak dinner out of it tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

That would be possibly the worst trade of all time.

Hornacek, Andrew Lang and another scrub were better value for Barkley.

No shit. Hell Hornacek and Lang for Barkley is better value than the Celtics trades centered on Kwame Brown that keep getting posted.

[MaNu4Tres]

That would be possibly the worst trade of all time.

Hornacek, Andrew Lang and another scrub were better value for Barkley.

Teams wary of it being a 1 year rental. It sucks but it's the reality.

[baseline bum]

I fully expect PATFO to get trade raped, but I at least hope they get a nice, HEB steak dinner out of it tbh :lol

Those trades are more like PATFO getting trade gangbang glory holed.

[baseline bum]

Teams wary of it being a 1 year rental. It sucks but it's the reality.

And that's why I suspend that faggot.

[Seventyniner]

I told you guys Ainge wouldn't want to trade Brown and Tatum.

The other post said Ainge made both Brown and Tatum untouchable. That's actually quite different.

It's possible the Spurs would be willing to make a deal for one of the two plus other assets, but won't trade Kawhi if it means not getting either one of Tatum and Brown.

[Ginobilly]

I always thought he faked his "injury" to get out of the spurs. Total pussy move and cowardly. Greats like jordan, timmy, bird, lebron would never pull such a bitch move. In the world of kinesiology/sports medicine, athletes who are having quad/knee/leg issues, 99% of them gain weight and look pudgier than normal. Kawhi's physique never changed. He stayed pretty ripped in shape throughout the whole to me. To me, the dude was still running doing cardio in his house and then pulled the im too injured to play when he showed up for work. Him and his group have been trying to leave the spurs for 2 years, so i dont buy this "spurs betrayal" or "injury mismanagement" mamaditas/bullshit that his camp has been releasing. Its just damage control to prevent kawquitter from looking like a pussy and a massive coward. The spurs are known league wide of protecting and babying their players. So i give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Russ]

The Spurs need to play the waiting game rather than take a bad deal.

It's hard but ya gotta do it.

[RD2191]

I always thought he faked his "injury" to get out of the spurs. Total pussy move and cowardly. Greats like jordan, timmy, bird, lebron would never pull such a bitch move. In the world of kinesiology/sports medicine, athletes who are having quad/knee/leg issues, 99% of them gain weight and look pudgier than normal. Kawhi's physique never changed. He stayed pretty ripped in shape throughout the whole to me. To me, the dude was still running doing cardio in his house and then pulled the im too injured to play when he showed up for work. Him and his group have been trying to leave the spurs for 2 years, so i dont buy this "spurs betrayal" or "injury mismanagement" mamaditas/bullshit that his camp has been releasing. Its just damage control to prevent kawquitter from looking like a pussy and a massive coward. The spurs are known league wide of protecting and babying their players. So i give them the benefit of the doubt.

Why would Kawhi fake an injury to force a trade? That makes absolutely zero sense.

[objective]

Sit him out or suspend.

If someone offers you feces on a plate to don't beg to eat it. Wait and eat later.

And :lol: at Zhaire and Keita.

Zhaire might be off the board as it is and I wouldn't touch slow Keita with pick 18 anyway

What trash, I hope the Spurs don't give up like they're in hospice like so many Spurs fans are.

[TimDunkem]

Those trades are more like PATFO getting trade gangbang glory holed.

PATFO will be doing it willingly, and with a smile on their face.

[DPG21920]

I love Josh Jackson - he’s a great get. But not getting the first pick would be harsh. Josh is not enough even with the 16th pick.

I like Josh + 16 more than Kyrie or the 12/13 from Clippers or Ingram/Kuz/25 but was hoping for more for sure. Just have to wait and see.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Why would Kawhi fake an injury to force a trade? That makes absolutely zero sense.

Seems to be working so far.

[RD2191]

The Spurs need to play the waiting game rather than take a bad deal.

It's hard but ya gotta do it.

Agreed. He's still under contract after all. Let next season play out and see what happens.

[DPG21920]

Amin is roasting us on ESPN right now :lol

What did that idiot say?

[baseline bum]

Sit him out or suspend.

If someone offers you feces on a plate to don't beg to eat it. Wait and eat later.

And :lol: at Zhaire and Keita.

Zhaire might be off the board as it is and I wouldn't touch slow Keita with pick 18 anyway

What trash, I hope the Spurs don't give up like they're in hospice like so many Spurs fans are.

I'm done with the Spurs if they trade Leonard for Josh fucking Jackson and other assorted crap. I'd rather shelve Leonard and get absolutely nothing.

[TimDunkem]

I'm done with the Spurs if they trade Leonard for Josh fucking Jackson and other assorted crap. I'd rather shelve Leonard and get absolutely nothing.

Same.

[HarlemHeat37]

Elfrid Payton:lmao

[RD2191]

What did that idiot say?

Pretty much what I've been saying, blaming PATFO, trashing spurs fans for being mad at kawhi, then he showed Ray Allen's 3. :lol

[rasuo214]

I always thought he faked his "injury" to get out of the spurs. Total pussy move and cowardly. Greats like jordan, timmy, bird, lebron would never pull such a bitch move. In the world of kinesiology/sports medicine, athletes who are having quad/knee/leg issues, 99% of them gain weight and look pudgier than normal. Kawhi's physique never changed. He stayed pretty ripped in shape throughout the whole to me. To me, the dude was still running doing cardio in his house and then pulled the im too injured to play when he showed up for work. Him and his group have been trying to leave the spurs for 2 years, so i dont buy this "spurs betrayal" or "injury mismanagement" mamaditas/bullshit that his camp has been releasing. Its just damage control to prevent kawquitter from looking like a pussy and a massive coward. The spurs are known league wide of protecting and babying their players. So i give them the benefit of the doubt.

Not a fake injury just a lack of faith in the medical staff and possibly the front office. Remember they also had issues with his hand injury and not knowing what was wrong/treatment. So this isn't just a 1-time issue. Also Kawhi did return for a short stint, why would he do that if he was faking an injury to get traded?

[spurraider21]

if the offers manu4tres are really what we're looking at, i'd rather hold at this point.

if the spurs stand pat and the lakers fill their max slots, kawhi is no longer an option for them as a free agent in 2019

[KDKSpurs24]

I'm done with the Spurs if they trade Leonard for Josh fucking Jackson and other assorted crap. I'd rather shelve Leonard and get absolutely nothing.
Why...? Gotta get SOMETHING. You’ll be complaining a hell of a lot more if we get nothing and start sucking every season. I’d rather take a chance on having a young player grow than get absolutely nothing and hamper the current team. Losing seasons are gonna suck so you have to take a chance and get something in return if he wants to go. I don’t know why people think we can get equal value under these circumstances.. This is NOT a normal superstar trade. Lots of other factors involved.

[objective]

I'm done with the Spurs if they trade Leonard for Josh fucking Jackson and other assorted crap. I'd rather shelve Leonard and get absolutely nothing.

Exactly, they need to show some self-respect.

Kawhi and his group not only have murdered the Spurs franchise as contenders, they murdered their reputation around the league, AND murdered his own trade value.

The franchise is going to be 10 years in the hole with or without Josh Jackson or pick 16.

Or Tobias Harris and 13.

Or Saric and 10.

The franchise is being DESTROYED and people think getting back the likes Tim Perry means a damn thing.

If they're going to die, make it hard on the killer.

[marinoman]

What did that idiot say?
That the spurs got him fired from the suns

[BillMc]

That the spurs got him fired from the suns
:lol

[Ginobilly]

Why would Kawhi fake an injury to force a trade? That makes absolutely zero sense.

You didn't hear Stephen a smith and chris Broussard say on espn that kawhi and his group have been wanting to go to LA for the past two years? People pull all kinds of shit in the real job world to get out of working and contracts and still get paid. You have to remember that kawhi is cali liberal and has that millennial welfare mentality of" screwing the man":cry

[baseline bum]

Why...? Gotta get SOMETHING. You’ll be complaining a hell of a lot more if we get nothing and start sucking every season. I’d rather take a chance on having a young player grow than get absolutely nothing and hamper the current team. Losing seasons are gonna suck so you have to take a chance and get something in return if he wants to go. I don’t know why people think we can get equal value under these circumstances.. This is NOT a normal superstar trade. Lots of other factors involved.

No you don't have to get something this summer. If say I had a court order telling me to get rid of my BMW immediately and the dealership next door was only offering $100 I'd rather just set the thing on fire or take a sledgehammer to it.

[noles1983]

You didn't hear Stephen a smith and chris Broussard say on espn that kawhi and his group have been wanting to go to LA for the past two years? People pull all kinds of shit in the real job world to get out of working and contracts and still get paid. You have to remember that kawhi is cali liberal and has that millennial welfare mentality of" screwing the man":cry

That same welfare that flyover red states receive from blue states, amirite?

[weebo]

Not a fake injury just a lack of faith in the medical staff and possibly the front office. Remember they also had issues with his hand injury and not knowing what was wrong/treatment. So this isn't just a 1-time issue. Also Kawhi did return for a short stint, why would he do that if he was faking an injury to get traded?

Maybe because he's getting paid millions to play a game...

[Play Boban]

I always thought he faked his "injury" to get out of the spurs. Total pussy move and cowardly. Greats like jordan, timmy, bird, lebron would never pull such a bitch move. In the world of kinesiology/sports medicine, athletes who are having quad/knee/leg issues, 99% of them gain weight and look pudgier than normal. Kawhi's physique never changed. He stayed pretty ripped in shape throughout the whole to me. To me, the dude was still running doing cardio in his house and then pulled the im too injured to play when he showed up for work. Him and his group have been trying to leave the spurs for 2 years, so i dont buy this "spurs betrayal" or "injury mismanagement" mamaditas/bullshit that his camp has been releasing. Its just damage control to prevent kawquitter from looking like a pussy and a massive coward. The spurs are known league wide of protecting and babying their players. So i give them the benefit of the doubt.
Truth bomb.

[DPG21920]

All this stuff is relative. Josh Jackson could be the next Kawhi but today it would be viewed as a loss. Only with time and hindsight do opinions change.

They could get the number one pick and it be viewed as a great move but the guy is a bust and looks awful.

I’m just tired of Kawhi already; f him.

[KDKSpurs24]

No you don't have to get something this summer. If say I had a court order telling me to get rid of my BMW immediately and the dealership next door was only offering $100 I'd rather just set the thing on fire or take a sledgehammer to it.
Your post didn’t mention anything about limiting it only to this summer. If you’re saying you’d be patient and hold out until trade deadline to get the best deal then okay I’ll agree. But gotta get something in return if he’s gone.

[8FOR!3]

I thought towards the end of the year last year Josh Jackson was starting to get it. I'm not saying I'd want him to be the main piece with a #16 pick bc I don't think that's enough return at all, but I do view Josh Jackson as a somewhat valuable piece. If anything I wouldn't view getting him as much different than getting Jaylen Brown. Brown's a little more proven, but Jackson might have the higher upside.

[TheDoctor]

Laugh at sauces all you want but I'm hearing Suns and a deal centered around 16th, JJ and Payton.

Ainge made Brown & Tatum untouchable ( Kyrie & 27th is what's there)

Lakers haven't blinked.
Those scenarios are fucking trash tbh. Just sit KL2 the whole year.

[kjhip1]

This is exhausting, at this point even if he signed, it would be awkward. I’m sure FO will get the best deal they can, but still it’s like pinning the tail on the donkey as to where he’ll get traded.

[objective]

I want him to go a full year without new endorsements, no more local endorsements, no new contract, and just enjoy all the vultures sucking him dry as he mopes around. They have no other clients and no other hope. A full extra year of them living off of Kawhi, eating away at his money.

Suspension makes it even better.

He could have done it the correct way. He might get what he wants later, but that's for later.

[CGD]

All this stuff is relative. Josh Jackson could be the next Kawhi but today it would be viewed as a loss. Only with time and hindsight do opinions change.

They could get the number one pick and it be viewed as a great move but the guy is a bust and looks awful.

I’m just tired of Kawhi already; f him.

Jackson + Bender + 1 + filler (Chandler, Knight, or Dudley)
for
KL + 18 would be a decent haul all things considered.

DJ
Donic
Jackson
Bender
LMA

Looks for opportunities to move LMA if he so desires by Feb deadline.

[lmbebo]

Jackson + Bender + 1 + filler (Chandler, Knight, or Dudley)
for
KL + 18 would be a decent haul all things considered.

DJ
Donic
Jackson
Bender
LMA

Looks for opportunities to move LMA if he so desires by Feb deadline.

Phoenix only interests me if its with #1, otherwise, pass on it.

Same with Boston. Kyrie has a worse injury history than Kwahi, not as good, etc. Only take him if with Tatum.

[baseline bum]

Your post didn’t mention anything about limiting it only to this summer. If you’re saying you’d be patient and hold out until trade deadline to get the best deal then okay I’ll agree. But gotta get something in return if he’s gone.

I'm not giving him away to anyone. If the offers remain crap by the trade deadline he can miss the entire season. The main point of suspending him would be to light a fire under Uncle Dennis' ass to make a preferred team come correct with a legitimate trade proposal that's not a complete fucking under the assumption Leonard will go nuts not getting onto a basketball court this year. Though it would be funny to fuck him over the same way he did the Spurs. That would be so much better than selling your BMW for $100.

[DPG21920]

Look, as much as I want SA to make Kawhi suffer, that’s not how it works. If teams aren’t biting because Kawhi is being a Kawhi, then you have to take what you can and hope Jackson turns into a star.

[HankChinaski]

Well one way or another this controversy will be over in a couple weeks or a couple months.

I'll be glad when this will stop being a topic of conversation here local an national

[HarlemHeat37]

Phoenix's roster is so fucking bad, especially considering they have a 4th pick, 8th pick, 5th pick and 10th pick in relatively recent lotteries in addition to Booker and Jackson..

Their young pieces outside of those 2 are either complete scrubs(Bender), headcases(Chriss) or zero impact players(Len, Payton)..

[baseline bum]

I want him to go a full year without new endorsements, no more local endorsements, no new contract, and just enjoy all the vultures sucking him dry as he mopes around. They have no other clients and no other hope. A full extra year of them living off of Kawhi, eating away at his money.

Suspension makes it even better.

He could have done it the correct way. He might get what he wants later, but that's for later.

Agreed.

[baseline bum]

Look, as much as I want SA to make Kawhi suffer, that’s not how it works. If teams aren’t biting because Kawhi is being a Kawhi, then you have to take what you can and hope Jackson turns into a star.

No you don't. There is no reason to take a horrible deal prematurely.

[spurs10]

I'm not giving him away to anyone. If the offers remain crap by the trade deadline he can miss the entire season. The main point of suspending him would be to light a fire under Uncle Dennis' ass to make a preferred team come correct with a legitimate trade proposal that's not a complete fucking under the assumption Leonard will go nuts not getting onto a basketball court this year. It would be funny to fuck him over the same way he did the Spurs. That would be so much better than selling your BMW for $100. He's under contract to play. Make him play until trade deadline and then decide.

[spurs10]

No you don't. There is no reason to take a horrible deal prematurely. :bobo

[ducks]

Sixers have to get a offer in

[DPG21920]

No you don't. There is no reason to take a horrible deal prematurely.

What if they have zero confidence the offers will get better? And Kawhi becomes even more disruptive? You could hold him to spite him, but SA loved Josh Jackson.

Put it this way, would you view SA getting the #4 pick + #16 pick for Kawhi this year as a win?

[ducks]

Wonder if Leonard agree with extension before trade

[picnroll]

Deuche bag Leonard can’t pull another exaggerated injury with the Spurs or his next contract will be for vet minimum. Fuck him.

[HarlemHeat37]

If the Suns had one more decent piece to add(just a playable young player, for instance) to Jackson + 16, I'd take it..even coming off a terrible season, I'd take Chriss if there was any chance that Pop would ever coach him(but in reality, he would probably never even consider it:lol )

[baseline bum]

He's under contract to play. Make him play until trade deadline and then decide.

I wouldn't let him play or be affiliated with the team in any way, I'd do what Phoenix did when they told Bledsoe to go home. That defeats the whole purpose of keeping him, which is to try to make him anxious enough to agree to an extension elsewhere so the Spurs might get a better offer. And if he doesn't so what, the Spurs aren't getting anything of value in these offers Manu4tes posted. Leonard on a one year rental here actually playing has negative value since he'd be a cancerous piece of shit and his play would hurt the Spurs draft positioning.

[cjw]

Wonder if Leonard agree with extension before trade

He can, but would be for well less than the Supermax and even for far less than what he’d be eligible for next summer from any team. So almost no chance he signs another contract until next offseason unless it’s the Supermax with the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

What if they have zero confidence the offers will get better? And Kawhi becomes even more disruptive? You could hold him to spite him, but SA loved Josh Jackson.

Put it this way, would you view SA getting the #4 pick + #16 pick for Kawhi this year as a win?

It's not the #4 pick. It's Jackson coming off a really bad year. Kawhi can be as much of a bitch as he wants in NYC or San Diego.

[mo7888]

If I wasn't getting the #1 pick, my floor would be jj+16+next year's #1 + bender or chriss. I'd probably try and package part of that and other assets to move up in this draft.

[ernest787]

Jackson and 16 is poopoo. Anyone who thinks that is better than nothing is crazy. I'd rather let Kawhi walk in a year and lose more money than take that crap offer.

[DPG21920]

It's not the #4 pick. It's Jackson coming off a really bad year. Kawhi can be as much of a bitch as he wants in NYC or San Diego.

I’m just saying it’s how it’s viewed. He was the fourth pick and is still young and showed a lot of great things despite being in a terrible system with awful development.

And it’s one of the few teams that can take Kawhi with sending back less money so it helps with cap space.

[picnroll]

Bender and Chriss suck.

[mo7888]

It also makes you wonder if it's worth taking on Parsons to get #4?

[objective]

Besides, Payton is a free agent, there's not going to be a sign & trade to get that guy anyway

The more I think about it the more some source claiming Payton is involved it sounds ridiculous like a Twitter photo of Pop and Kawhi.

He's a free agent with a QO. He's just going to accept his QO without trying the market? His agent's going to let him do that? Any sign and trade has to be simultaneous I thought, if you wait for him to take his QO, you then have to wait how many months before he's able to be traded?

[tbdog]

It also makes you wonder if it's worth taking on Parsons to get #4?

It's not.

[baseline bum]

It also makes you wonder if it's worth taking on Parsons to get #4?

I'd absolutely trade Gasol + Ginobili's last year (assuming he retires) for Parsons and the #4 since next year the team will be shit and you gotta pay 90% of the cap by the rules of the CBA. That would probably work under the cap and save Memphis a lot of money.

[BillMc]

Can't believe Knicks aren't involved offering picks or Porzingis, given the possibility that Kawhi and Kyrie could hookup in NY soon.

[ernest787]

I just saw on Twitter that realgm said yesterday that PHX had no interest in trading #1 for Kawhi but would be willing to be the 3rd team in a deal to facilitate and take on a contract like deng in exchange for a young asset like Ball.

That makes more sense to me. Let's say you get Kuzma, Ingram, Lakers pick, and like 16. I'm not saying I love that but that's better than Jackson and 16 alone imo.

[lmbebo]

I just saw on Twitter that realgm said yesterday that PHX had no interest in trading #1 for Kawhi but would be willing to be the 3rd team in a deal to facilitate and take on a contract like deng in exchange for a young asset like Ball.

That makes more sense to me. Let's say you get Kuzma, Ingram, Lakers pick, and like 16. I'm not saying I love that but that's better than Jackson and 16 alone imo.


meh

[baseline bum]

I just saw on Twitter that realgm said yesterday that PHX had no interest in trading #1 for Kawhi but would be willing to be the 3rd team in a deal to facilitate and take on a contract like deng in exchange for a young asset like Ball.

That makes more sense to me. Let's say you get Kuzma, Ingram, Lakers pick, and like 16. I'm not saying I love that but that's better than Jackson and 16 alone imo.

That's four scrubs, with the most talented one being a china doll. Pass.

[RD2191]

That's four scrubs, with the most talented one being a china doll. Pass.

This reminds of the choosing beggars sub-reddit. :lol

[baseline bum]

It's not.

I think it is. Two years of a big cap hit from Parsons doesn't matter to a team in a full rebuild and getting a high pick for nothing would be nice. Plus tying two years of money into Parsons means they wouldn't want to pay Fathead. It's win-win.

[cjw]

It's not the #4 pick. It's Jackson coming off a really bad year. Kawhi can be as much of a bitch as he wants in NYC or San Diego.

Exactly. It’s even more the case in the NFL, but each year a pick is in the league he’s one year closer to free agency and loss of cost control.

In Jackson’s case, he played more like a mid first but costs a lot more.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. It’s even more the case in the NFL, but each year a pick is in the league he’s one year closer to free agency and loss of cost control.

In Jackson’s case, he played more like a mid first but costs a lot more.

He’s got 3 more years under team control and even with his “sub par” rookie year he’s still damn young and if he were cast back into the draft he would still go top 5 IMO

[baseline bum]

He’s got 3 more years under team control and even with his “sub par” rookie year he’s still damn young and if he were cast back into the draft he would still go top 5 IMO

DPG man, weren't you the one telling me all year there would be a bunch of great offers for Kawhi? Now you're ready to turn the key to execute Plan F?

[objective]

I also think the Spurs could easily have a hot start next year making Kawhi look like a bigger tool as he stews and pays the bills of his handlers

An improved Dejounte, more White hopefully and not the scrubs that ate minutes in front of him, the first rounder who Pop would embrace out of desperation, hopefully Milutinov ... I could see a nice hot start without a bunch of Tim Perry or Andrew Lang scrubs.

[99 Problems]

Exactly. Thats a lot of eggs in one basket. Over the last thirty years there have been so many teams stuck in cap hell because of one player. That is the last place I want Spurs to be in


And that’s counting on a good run with health. 1 serious injury to the guy and the team goes done the shoot. I think there’s more chance of a break rather than make an organisation with this super max behemoth tbh.

[acoelho1]

I think patience is needed here. I would tell Kawhi’s camp that they are not getting good enough offers and the plan is for him to play on the Spurs in 2019. If he wants to open up his list of teams he would be traded too and give them assurances that he would resign with them then maybe a good deal would open up. Short of that he will have to go through a very uncomfortable year as a Spur.

[DPG21920]

DPG man, weren't you the one telling me all year there would be a bunch of great offers for Kawhi? Now you're ready to turn the key to execute Plan F?

I really thought there would be some elite offers. But I’m a big Josh Jackson fan so maybe I’m biased, but he’s a big reason why I thought PHX was likely since I know SA love Jackson too. I don’t think this is plan F. It’s certainly not what I was hoping, but it’s not atrocious like many thought.

Have to wait and see.

[ernest787]

Just playing with the trade machine with Phx facilitating the Lakers trade.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y739qkvj

I don't like it. You'd assume Spurs also get the Lakers pick this year at 25 or whatever it is and then you get 16 from Phx. Maybe you can then package 16 and 18 to move up, but not sure how far that gets you in the draft.

I'm more and more on the side of just making Kawhi play this out b/c currently with the rumored offers aren't doing much for me.

[DPG21920]

Hell no ^ not taking Chandler on.

[DPG21920]

I would rather have Josh Jackson and 16 then Ingram/Cuz/16/25.

[Uriel]

Kawhi will be a Spur by the start of the season. I guarantee it.

The real question is whether he will remain a Spur through the February

[spursreport]

It’s either #1 pick, #16 pick, Josh Jackson, Devin Booker, and a few others plus they’ll have to take Gasol’s deal if there is no way to fix the Kawhi situation. If not, no deal and they ride it out with Kawhi. Lol accepting fucking Josh Jackson as the best piece. Gtfo with that bullshit.

[baseline bum]

I really thought there would be some elite offers. But I’m a big Josh Jackson fan so maybe I’m biased, but he’s a big reason why I thought PHX was likely since I know SA love Jackson too.

Have to wait and see.

Personally, I say you don't just give Kawhi Leonard away under any circumstance. He's the only asset the Spurs have to get someone to rebuild around. Josh Jackson has shown nothing to indicate he'd be a cornerstone for the franchise. Just because he looked like a great prospect a year ago doesn't mean he's one now. You have another year of data, the best year of data on him, and he did not impress. At this point Josh Jackson is a throw-in to a Leonard trade I'd do. I'm not giving away a Hall of Famer in his prime for a guy who might be a good starter in the best case and for a mid first round pick. I think it's reasonable to judge the trade by the best single asset you get in exchange because that's the only one that's likely to still be with the team in five years when they have hopefully built themselves back into one that can compete. And that best asset isn't very good in the garbage Suns trade Manu4Tres posted.

[ernest787]

Kawhi will be a Spur by the start of the season. I guarantee it.

The real question is whether he will remain a Spur through the February

The longer this plays out the worst the offers are going to get imo. If teams are worried about a 1 year rental, how are they going to feel about a 3 month rental?

[baseline bum]

The longer this plays out the worst the offers are going to get imo. If teams are worried about a 1 year rental, how are they going to feel about a 3 month rental?

I completely disagree. You think the Lakers are going to be able to sell LeBron on holding $30 million of capspace open for a year to sign Kawhi? How many years does LeBron think he has left to win a title? The Lakers are the reason the rumored Leonard offers have been such shit.

[tbdog]

I think it is. Two years of a big cap hit from Parsons doesn't matter to a team in a full rebuild and getting a high pick for nothing would be nice. Plus tying two years of money into Parsons means they wouldn't want to pay Fathead. It's win-win.

Kyle is a far far better player than Parsons is now. And will cost more the half the salary.

[mo7888]

Kyle is a far far better player than Parsons is now. And will cost more the half the salary.

It's not Kyle vs Parsons, it's the #4 puck vs the loss of Kyle and the loss of 2 years cap space.

[objective]

The point of adding #4 to Parsons is to get off that money period, not to take back $23 million in Pau Gasol, no matter if his brother is there or not

[baseline bum]

Kyle is a far far better player than Parsons is now. And will cost more the half the salary.

And the #4 pick is likely to be a far far better player than Anderson with exponentially better upside. He's not a guy to do a rebuild around. He could be a nice role player on a good team. But all a rebuilding team needs to be concerned with is finding new cornerstones, and Anderson is not that.

[dbreiden83080]

They should be in absolutely no rush whatsoever to do anything. Let it play out the rest of the summer. Make him come to training camp. Make him actually have to face the music with the media. Play in the preseason and yes even have to play quite a few games in the Spurs uniform next year. Or he can sit out another season and then see if anybody wants to sign him after that. I would be in no rush to trade him anywhere.

[ernest787]

Manu cannot be traded due to his player option.

Assuming I'm reading the CBA correctly and the trade machine numbers are right, there is no way they can take on Parsons contract with our current contracts unless LMA or Kawhi is involved. So trading for Parsons and getting the 4th pick isn't going to happen.

[dbreiden83080]

The longer this plays out the worst the offers are going to get imo. If teams are worried about a 1 year rental, how are they going to feel about a 3 month rental?

I felt most of the season as this played out, that trade offers would not be all that great honestly. This guy in a lot of ways torpedoed his value by what he did last season. I don’t care what the media might be reporting, I am sure just about every single general manager in the league is seriously questioning Leonard‘s heart and character at this point in time. He flat out refuse to play basketball an entire season over an injury that essentially every medical opinion with the Spurs was basically saying was no big deal at all. A lot of people were reporting that he was basically sitting it out because he wanted that massive maximum extension. Did not want to risk further injury and not get it. Now we come to find out he doesn’t even care about that massive extension. So basically he just sat out because he is a fucking crybaby that felt disrespected. I would not give up a lot of draft picks and players for him right now. No way.

[baseline bum]

The point of adding #4 to Parsons is to get off that money period, not to take back $23 million in Pau Gasol, no matter if his brother is there or not

Taking back $23 million in Gasol still saves Memphis about $27 million, assuming the Spurs would just include $2.5 million to pay off the money owed to Ginobili.

[objective]

And once it's decided that he's sitting, there needs to be leaks about how worried the front office is about whether he'll ever play again. How his legs are a ticking time bomb. How he might be able to look good in flashes but will have flare ups that cripple him.

Time to scorched Earth his group. Keep the doubt out there, limit his long term multi year endorsement deals, make him have to really earn it.

[baseline bum]

Manu cannot be traded due to his player option.

Assuming I'm reading the CBA correctly and the trade machine numbers are right, there is no way they can take on Parsons contract with our current contracts unless LMA or Kawhi is involved. So trading for Parsons and getting the 4th pick isn't going to happen.

EDIT: Shit, you're right, it would have to be someone else.

[objective]

Taking back $23 million in Gasol still saves Memphis about $27 million, assuming the Spurs would just include $2.5 million to pay off the money owed to Ginobili.

I just think they could do better. Dallas could eat the whole thing or close enough without sending nearly anything back.

[baseline bum]

And once it's decided that he's sitting, there needs to be leaks about how worried the front office is about whether he'll ever play again. How his legs are a ticking time bomb. How he might be able to look good in flashes but will have flare ups that cripple him.

Time to scorched Earth his group. Keep the doubt out there, limit his long term multi year endorsement deals, make him have to really earn it.

I wouldn't do that. I would just say Leonard's not a part of this team's future so is being held out pending a trade. No reason to make up stories.

[Gino20]

If Kawhi elected not to play the upcoming season if the Spurs still hold his rights, can the Spurs pause the contract for another year?

[baseline bum]

I just think they could do better. Dallas could eat the whole thing or close enough without sending nearly anything back.

They might, but if Memphis makes that offer to the Spurs I'm taking it.

[ernest787]

Bill Simmons was doing a mock draft of the lottery on his pod today. They discussed Mavs trading the 5 and Barnes to Memphis in exchange for 4 and Parsons, assuming that Doncic slips to 4.

That makes way more sense for Memphis than taking on Gasols deal. I just don't see there is any real way we can get that 4th pick.

[baseline bum]

Bill Simmons was doing a mock draft of the lottery on his pod today. They discussed Mavs trading the 5 and Barnes to Memphis in exchange for 4 and Parsons, assuming that Doncic slips to 4.

That makes way more sense for Memphis than taking on Gasols deal. I just don't see there is any real way we can get that 4th pick.

Yeah that makes worlds more sense.

[Mugen]

I'm resigned to the fact that RC and Pop are about to be taken out to the woodshed via trade tbh :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm resigned to the fact that RC and Pop are about to be taken out to the woodshed via trade tbh :lol
It’s so expected tbh. As a spurs fan it’s only fitting that we get trade raped.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol phoenix is not that retarded. wish they were though.