Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[RD2191]

You guys think Kawhi rocks a reversible Clippers/Lakers jersey to the summer league game later?

Maybe a suit like Clipper Darrell would wear ...

I'll punch you if he actually shows up to the Lakers game. :lol

[Mugen]

You'd rather Jason Hart and some goob?
You'd rather Covington and who-gives-a-shit?

The picks mean nothing: those picks are going to be high round.

We can go the keep Kawhi and watch the drama thing. I can see those pukes trying to hold him out...
He's obviously a submissive cuck who would rather watch Shaq fuck his girl than speak.

Demar could be flipped. This could all be a ruse to add value to the silent cuck. I'm all whatevs til things get solid.

:lol I'd rather let him walk than the Spurs be stuck in mediocrity for the next 5-7 years after getting Derozan.

Spurs wouldn't flip him either, I bet RC would max his ass out at like 34 years old

[Chillen]

Toronto has every reason to make the deal. They had the best record in the east but still couldn't get to the eastern finals.

Now with this move, Boston and Phili are sweating buckets that this does not happen!

Philly is still a blooming team they made the playoffs for the first time with that core. Both Raptors and Celtics have LBJ stories to tell lol. Raptors know if they acquire Kawhi they could possibly make the Finals.

[Mugen]

I'll punch you if he actually shows up to the Lakers game. :lol

99% chance he does, probably 50% chance Magic rides him into the arena like a burro...

[FkLA]

Fultz + Saric + Covington (to 3rd team for a player or pick) + 2021 Miami pick + 2019 Philly pick is >>>>> DeRozan + OG + Poeltl + 2019 TOR pick.


Just a matter of if Philly will budge.

I'll take the TOR deal. Srs.

[JPB]

Variety of mixed reports on the internet, but nothing concrete. Some "inside sources" here (can't confirm if they are legit or not, obviously)....DeRozan clearing his IG...and the Vegas odds changing out of the blue are mostly fueling the mania here, but a few other outlets have picked up the story.


A friend of someone who works in the Orlando Magic’s front office broke the story. Friendofmagicfo-bomb just dropped on the league!


You mean ST "inside source with a friend" #45446546 who got destroyed 2 min later by a link to an anterior article on a biz website who was mentioning the info... Have you ever noticed that they NEVER directly know someone from an FO ? Why ? Because then they will have to answer many other questions (hey, ask your FO friend... !) It's ALWAYS a friend or a "colleague".

No offense but when will some of you just learn... how can I say it diplomatically ?... to use your fucking brain. The more you give credit to these clowns, the more it encourages them.

Oh fuck, I said I was done...

[tonight...you]

:lol I'd rather let him walk than the Spurs be stuck in mediocrity for the next 5-7 years after getting Derozan.

Spurs wouldn't flip him either, I bet RC would max his ass out at like 34 years old
Right on. You like to think things. I can dig it.

[Mugen]

I mean if they're serious about Demar, RC might as well call up the Knicks to see if they're willing to part with Joakim Noah :lol

[JPB]

I'm double posting now...

[tonight...you]

I mean if they're serious about Demar, RC might as well call up the Knicks to see if they're willing to part with Joakim Noah :lol
How many years does Noah have left?
Lol, Phil Jacktard...

I'd take Porzingis and Noah, depending on how long that anchor is left dragging the ocean bottom, for Kawhi.
And a pick...

[Down Under]

Philly are mad if they don't include Fultz in a deal. The chance of any young player getting to Kawhi's level (Simmons, Embiid, Giannis, Brown, Tatum, let alone Fultz) where they're capable of leading a team to a title is so slim.

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvnS4AhiJLA&feature=youtu.be

[gambit1990]

the raptors roster is going nowhere, they should be all in even if kawhi leaves after a year.

[spurraider21]

I mean if they're serious about Demar, RC might as well call up the Knicks to see if they're willing to part with Joakim Noah :lol
makes no sense. demar is flawed, but in his prime. noah is washed.

[JPB]

Fultz + Saric + Covington (to 3rd team for a player or pick) + 2021 Miami pick + 2019 Philly pick is >>>>> DeRozan + OG + Poeltl + 2019 TOR pick.


Just a matter of if Philly will budge.


I'll take the TOR deal. Srs.

Same here. Saric and Covington are good role players. Fultz is unknown quantity. And all three are young players in a team who will need experience, pedigree, character and certainty after TP leaving and Manu retiring.

DdR has somehow a star status that commands respect and interest from the refs, media and shit and you know what you get from him night in night out.

A team with Saric, Fultz, Covington, Dijon, Walker, Lonnie, forbes, Bertans... won't make it for me and would look like Orlando from 2, 3 years ago : a bunch of young promising players you don't really know what they're worth and probalby can't really give you a competitive, coherent team.

[Chillen]

LOL at the thought of a Warriors/Raptors Finals, the ratings would be super low. 5 all-stars vs Kawhi.

[daslicer]

LOL at the thought of a Warriors/Raptors Finals, the ratings would be super low. 5 all-stars vs Kawhi.

Next year will be the first year we don't get a Lebron-Warriors finals. I think it will be even harder for a Celtics-Warriors finals to get higher ratings than what Lebron has generated for the finals.

[8FOR!3]

Not convinced that raptors team beats Boston or Philly even with Kawhi

[Spurs da champs]

Philly assets are trash sans Simmons & Embiid, if they could get a 3rd team involved to get something of use a lottery pick or young wing for trash ass Fultz than the deal looks decent.

Not convinced that raptors team beats Boston or Philly even with Kawhi
I agree about Boston. Against Philly Kawhi would expose Ben Simmons even worse than Marcus Smart did.:lol

[dubross]

Raptors deal is better than other rumored deal out there outside of Tatum/Brown combo and we know that’s not
Going to happen

[myhc]

Watching Spurs Bucs summe leage game. They reported nephew was spotted at a club last night in Vegas LOL. Not here though.

[Spurs4#5]

Watching the summer league game and they were talking about the raptors being the favorite to land kawhi and they were saying maybe kawhi would want to stay and play in Toronto with derozan. Like the raptors could ever get kawhi without derozan being in the trade lol

[SixersFan]

Same here. Saric and Covington are good role players. Fultz is unknown quantity. And all three are young players in a team who will need experience, pedigree, character and certainty after TP leaving and Manu retiring.

DdR has somehow a star status that commands respect and interest from the refs, media and shit and you know what you get from him night in night out.

A team with Saric, Fultz, Covington, Dijon, Walker, Lonnie, forbes, Bertans... won't make it for me and would look like Orlando from 2, 3 years ago : a bunch of young promising players you don't really know what they're worth and probalby can't really give you a competitive, coherent team.

we're not even offering Fultz too. Hope you accept Toronto's offer and we walk away, no need to risk everything a potential rental.

[objective]

Watching Spurs Bucs summe leage game. They reported nephew was spotted at a club last night in Vegas LOL. Not here though.

I'm not the first person to make this point I'm sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the stands of a Lakers game in summer league to try and bully the Spurs some more by embarrassing them

[mo7888]

I'll take the TOR deal. Srs.

I might take the Toronto deal. I definitely would if we can flip DD for young players/picks. I just don't know what his value is elsewhere.

[RD2191]

Watching the summer league game and they were talking about the raptors being the favorite to land kawhi and they were saying maybe kawhi would want to stay and play in Toronto with derozan. Like the raptors could ever get kawhi without derozan being in the trade lol

:lol wow

[tonight...you]

I'm not the first person to make this point I'm sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the stands of a Lakers game in summer league to try and bully the Spurs some more by embarrassing them
That would certainly be fun, on this site, and nobody has to pay admission!

[Mugen]

I'm not the first person to make this point I'm sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up in the stands of a Lakers game in summer league to try and bully the Spurs some more by embarrassing them

:lol Yeah, I already called that. He's definitely gonna pop up at the Lakers/Clippers game.

[Fusternino]

Toronto deal is awful-I don't wanna be stuck with DDR . . . he will opt-in to the final year of his contract and you know it.

Tobias Harris is younger (better on the 3-ball too!) and Harrell has proven himself more than these other Toronto forwards. Clippers won't lowball us . . . Jerry West is looking to add Kawhi and do whatever it takes. Tobias Harris, S&T Harrell (surprised no one has tried to pry him away) and two future firsts . . . Clippers won't be that great so those picks should be OK enough . . . maybe 18-22 range. Just need to make sure on both sides there is agreement on extensions for Kawhi and Tobias.

Get it done, RC!

[spurschamps99030507]

everyone is worried about making a mandatory trade for kiwi, but the example is cleveland


one year ago..... and now after irving trade, who is thinking that it was a good idea to have the shit of players contracts like hill, Clarkson, larry nance,


that means they now have shit and their contracts


SA has to keep the rat and rebuild from free agency or draft, bring mediocre players does not even have money available to go to free agency

[dubross]

Toronto deal is awful-I don't wanna be stuck with DDR . . . he will opt-in to the final year of his contract and you know it.

Tobias Harris is younger (better on the 3-ball too!) and Harrell has proven himself more than these other Toronto forwards. Clippers won't lowball us . . . Jerry West is looking to add Kawhi and do whatever it takes. Tobias Harris, S&T Harrell (surprised no one has tried to pry him away) and two future firsts . . . Clippers won't be that great so those picks should be OK enough . . . maybe 18-22 range. Just need to make sure on both sides there is agreement on extensions for Kawhi and Tobias.

Get it done, RC!

That deal is terrible.

[Fusternino]

That deal is terrible.

Yeah? So you wanna take Rozier + Morris + Baynes + Theis + Nader + Ojeleye + Yabusele?

[Joseph Kony]

Toronto deal is awful-I don't wanna be stuck with DDR . . . he will opt-in to the final year of his contract and you know it.

Tobias Harris is younger (better on the 3-ball too!) and Harrell has proven himself more than these other Toronto forwards. Clippers won't lowball us . . . Jerry West is looking to add Kawhi and do whatever it takes. Tobias Harris, S&T Harrell (surprised no one has tried to pry him away) and two future firsts . . . Clippers won't be that great so those picks should be OK enough . . . maybe 18-22 range. Just need to make sure on both sides there is agreement on extensions for Kawhi and Tobias.

Get it done, RC!

awful tbh

[Fusternino]

76ers assets completely overrated . . . Saric? Covington?

LOL.

[benefactor]

Been a while since we've had a crop of new greys. Feeling like old ST a bit:lol

[Fusternino]

I actually got registered on here during summer 2014 after trying since summer 2013 I think? Finally decided to stop lurking and started spewing.

[dubross]

Yeah? So you wanna take Rozier + Morris + Baynes + Theis + Nader + Ojeleye + Yabusele?

That’s terrible too. I’d take the Raptors then Sixers deal before the clippers

[FkLA]

So is Kawhitter at either SA-MIL or LAL-LAC?

[Emperor]

OG was born in England. Siakam is from Cameroon. You know R.C and Pop wanna keep that foreign legion thing going.

[spurraider21]

celtics offers have been trash. tatum has never been on the table and posters here are still talking about getting tatum + brown :lol

[dabom]

I actually got registered on here during summer 2014 after trying since summer 2013 I think? Finally decided to stop lurking and started spewing.

Watch out for the trolls and cliques. Quick tip, any role player fluffers is a dead giveaway.

[rastaspur]

Toronto deal is awful-I don't wanna be stuck with DDR . . . he will opt-in to the final year of his contract and you know it.

Tobias Harris is younger (better on the 3-ball too!) and Harrell has proven himself more than these other Toronto forwards. Clippers won't lowball us . . . Jerry West is looking to add Kawhi and do whatever it takes. Tobias Harris, S&T Harrell (surprised no one has tried to pry him away) and two future firsts . . . Clippers won't be that great so those picks should be OK enough . . . maybe 18-22 range. Just need to make sure on both sides there is agreement on extensions for Kawhi and Tobias.

Get it done, RC!

No. Please don't

[DAF86]

Miami's 2020 pick is more valuable than anything the Raptors have to offer.

[Mugen]

Miami's 2020 pick is more valuable than anything the Raptors have to offer.

It's 2021 and a 2020 Toronto pick would be pretty good especially if Kawhi left next offseason tbh.

I like OG and a TOR 2020 pick, it's Derozan who I don't want tbh

[tmtcsc]

Unless there is a 3rd team involved, Toronto has nothing I think the Spurs would be interested in.

[FkLA]

we're not even offering Fultz too. Hope you accept Toronto's offer and we walk away, no need to risk everything a potential rental.

Risk everything? That's a bit of an exaggeration considering you're getting to keep your two future superstars. I can't believe you would be unwilling to add a Top 3 player to that core because of potential. What are the chances that potential ever ends up turning into a Kawhi Leonard? Shit, what are the chances it ends up turning into a Demar DeRozan? That's why I prefer the TOR deal even if PHI were willing to include Fultz.

[FkLA]

Miami's 2020 pick is more valuable than anything the Raptors have to offer.

Why?

[BatManu20]

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[DAF86]

we're not even offering Fultz too. Hope you accept Toronto's offer and we walk away, no need to risk everything a potential rental.

"Risk" :lol

Kawhi will be the NBA's best player in a couple of years when Lebron declines. Fultz best case scenario would be becoming half the player Kawhi is.

[DAF86]

Why?

Because the Miami pick projects to be a lottery pick, and the expectation that comes with that is better than having a regular season fools' player, like DeRozan, getting paid 30 millions per year for the next three years.

[Mugen]

:lol Gonna be hilarious in 2 years when these teams look back and realize they didn't trade for Kawhi because they didn't want to lose guys like Ingram, Markelle Fultz, Jaylen Brown....


I'd trade Dejounte and/or White for a guy like Kemba on a 1yr, no hesitation....and Kemba is no Kawhi....

[Joseph Kony]

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who tf is this guy

[Mr. Body]

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who tf is this guy

Why is it eleventh hour? Who's in a rush?

[Fusternino]

Before the draft, I would've said you could've convinced Divac to give up the #2 pick and maybe Bogdanovic for Kawhi. And before Tony went to the Hornets, MJ probably would've offered something crazy.

Maybe Riley has lost it and will give us some crazy offer.

And yeah 76ers, Celtics, and Lakers won't actually give any of their best assets despite having more than Clippers which is why Clippers will give the best offer. You're not getting more than Saric/Covington/Chandler (to match salary), Boston bench salary filler and a pick or two, or Deng, Hart, Zubac, and one other 1-2M cost player (Wagner?).

[BatManu20]

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[FireMicoHalili]

How about re-routing DeRozan to the Lakers? Trade would look like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycejoxpl

Spurs get:
Ibaka
Deng
Ingram
Anunoby
Hart
TOR pick
2 LAL picks

Why the Spurs should do it: rid themselves of Kawhi, get young pieces for a rebuild but can simultaneously contend, get young assets, give away bigger contracts

Raps get:
Leonard
Gasol
Mills
Paul

Why the Raptors should do it: cap relief from horrible contracts, a chance to win the East with Leonard (trivial), a brand new start, essentially

Losers get:
DeRozan

Why the Lakers should do it: DeRozan is a Compton kid, a perennial All-Star (and a starter at that), has a Kobe-style iso game that evokes nostalgia from Laker fans, and he addresses two issues they have with Leonard: commitment (2 years left in contract) and health (no major injuries last year)

[dabom]

Why is it eleventh hour? Who's in a rush?

I dont know but more like last call bullshit. End of midnight shit.

[Joseph Kony]

Why is it eleventh hour? Who's in a rush?
i think he's implying the Raps are going all in on a good offer for Leonard and Spurs may take it if Sixers don't step up their offer? i assume thats what he meant

[Joseph Kony]

How about re-routing DeRozan to the Lakers? Trade would look like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycejoxpl

Spurs get:
Ibaka
Deng
Ingram
Anunoby
Hart
TOR pick
2 LAL picks

Why the Spurs should do it: rid themselves of Kawhi, get young pieces for a rebuild but can simultaneously contend, get young assets, give away bigger contracts

Raps get:
Leonard
Gasol
Mills
Paul

Why the Raptors should do it: cap relief from horrible contracts, a chance to win the East with Leonard (trivial), a brand new start, essentially

Losers get:
DeRozan

Why the Lakers should do it: DeRozan is a Compton kid, a perennial All-Star (and a starter at that), has a Kobe-style iso game that evokes nostalgia from Laker fans, and he addresses two issues they have with Leonard: commitment (2 years left in contract) and health (no major injuries last year)

is this a joke? :lol

[Mugen]

Lonnie with a serious looking injury, f'n unbelievable

[BatManu20]

^ Lakers won't trade Ingram for Kawhi but they'll trade him for DeRozan? :lol

[mo7888]

Before the draft, I would've said you could've convinced Divac to give up the #2 pick and maybe Bogdanovic for Kawhi. And before Tony went to the Hornets, MJ probably would've offered something crazy.

Maybe Riley has lost it and will give us some crazy offer.

And yeah 76ers, Celtics, and Lakers won't actually give any of their best assets despite having more than Clippers which is why Clippers will give the best offer. You're not getting more than Saric/Covington/Chandler (to match salary), Boston bench salary filler and a pick or two, or Deng, Hart, Zubac, and one other 1-2M cost player (Wagner?).

Clippers are only interesting if they can trade Harris somewhere for something of value to give us. I can't see it happening.
Riley- I don't see how he can make an offer that would be better than kawhi simply walking away. No assets to speak of.

[FkLA]

Because the Miami pick projects to be a lottery pick, and the expectation that comes with that is better than having a regular season fools' player, like DeRozan, getting paid 30 millions per year for the next three years.

Where is this lotter projection coming from? You're not the first one that I've seen put a lot of value in Miami's pick and I don't see it. Spo has turned out to be a pretty good coach. They've built a good program there, players hold themselves accountable for improving their games/bodies. They're a low ceiling/high floor type of team--with as week as the East is I don't see why they wouldn't continue to be a 5-8 seed playoff team.

Even if it is a lottery pick, what are the chances that lottery pick ends up being a perennial all-star? Even one that's a regular season fool's gold player?

[coachmac87]

Because the Miami pick projects to be a lottery pick, and the expectation that comes with that is better than having a regular season fools' player, like DeRozan, getting paid 30 millions per year for the next three years.

How years the past decade has Miami been in the lottery?

[BatManu20]

Christ Lonnie Walker injured..

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

It's 2021 and a 2020 Toronto pick would be pretty good especially if Kawhi left next offseason tbh.

I like OG and a TOR 2020 pick, it's Derozan who I don't want tbh

I’m fine with DeRozan if you get OG and a pick. SA will still be a solid playoff team, still get to rebuild, collect young assets and they can always move DeRozan too. It’s a fine deal. Let’s get this shit going.

[FireMicoHalili]

^ Lakers won't trade Ingram for Kawhi but they'll trade him for DeRozan? :lol
They keep saying they have issues with Leonard’s health and commitment. DeRozan addresses both. If they don’t agree to that it means all those concerns about his health and commitment are being faked to create trade leverage and they just really want to give up garbage for Leonard.

[noles1983]

Spurs are cursed

[spursistan]

Spurs fans trying to talk themselves into Derozan is really beyond sad.

If it comes to desperation, you trade the faggot for a flawed and younger talent like Kyrie Irving who has wider player connection that could help recruit stars in the future instead of a near 30 yo serial playoff choker with a capped ceiling.

[DPG21920]

DeRozan by himself is not good, but let’s not act like SA wouldn’t be a top 4 seed with DeRozan. No shot at a title, but SA wants to keep winning. They don’t want to tank.

OG is a damn good prospect. If you get that and a pick knowing Kawhi is gone from TOR and so is DeRozan? Its a very solid deal man.

SA would have done well even if it’s far from what I was hoping.

[Fusternino]

Clippers are only interesting if they can trade Harris somewhere for something of value to give us. I can't see it happening.
Riley- I don't see how he can make an offer that would be better than kawhi simply walking away. No assets to speak of.

And why isn't Tobias of value? You need guys who can get their own shot and do it efficiently-he does. Harrell is already a defensive monster and I bet we could fit his FT% and get him to shoot the corner 3. And we need more forwards on this team in general and he'd also be a great small ball 5. Those 2 future picks should be of good value . . . I bet each has about the same value as the Heat 2021 pick.

In terms of teams dealing with us out of desperation/bad management/etc. I'd be most willing to deal with the Heat. I like Richardson/Adebayo/Olynyk/Winslow and two future first rounders for both Kawhi and Mills.

[dubross]

DeRozan by himself is not good, but let’s not act like SA wouldn’t be a top 4 seed with DeRozan. No shot at a title, but SA wants to keep winning. They don’t want to tank.

OG is a damn good prospect. If you get that and a pick knowing Kawhi is gone from TOR and so is DeRozan? Its a very solid deal man.

SA would have done well even if it’s far from what I was hoping.

Exactly. Yes Derozan isn’t the best get but he isn’t a scrub. He is a legit player. Getting someone like him for a 1 yr rental in Kawhi is as good a get the spurs could get. Along with OG and say raptors 2020 pick, id be alright with that.

[cutewizard]

Out of all the trades this one with Toronto seems like the best one and i am no fan of Derozan. But i still prefer him over ingram or kuzma and tobias harris.

:bobo

[BatManu20]

Don't know if he knows anything. Could just be speculating given all the rumors. But he seems to be connected within the Sixers organization.


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[exstatic]

Toronto deal is awful-I don't wanna be stuck with DDR . . . he will opt-in to the final year of his contract and you know it.

Tobias Harris is younger (better on the 3-ball too!) and Harrell has proven himself more than these other Toronto forwards. Clippers won't lowball us . . . Jerry West is looking to add Kawhi and do whatever it takes. Tobias Harris, S&T Harrell (surprised no one has tried to pry him away) and two future firsts . . . Clippers won't be that great so those picks should be OK enough . . . maybe 18-22 range. Just need to make sure on both sides there is agreement on extensions for Kawhi and Tobias.

Get it done, RC!
Just stop. Clips barely edge the Lakers, and the Lakers offer is complete shit. Harris is a replacement level player, nothing more. Anunoby is better than anyone in your clippers deal, and cheap for 3 more years. Harris wants to get paid next year. Spurs would also get a plug in 20 point scorer on the perimeter to complement LMA.

You keep trying to sell this Clipper shit, but no ones buying.

[spursistan]

This is shaping up to be one of the worst hauls a team got for trading a legit superstar and MVP-caliber player, even assuming the rental risk in the equation.

I think it says a lot more about the toxicity of the environment surrounding the said player and the baggage that has emerged throughout his whole saga.

Dem executives aren't listening to Cris Carter and Stephen A. Smith; the background info they dug on Kawhi must be really damning for us to be getting all these shitty offers ..

[Spurs9]

Don't know if he knows anything. Could just be speculating given all the rumors. But he seems to be connected within the Sixers organization.


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Probably alot of inquiries going on with all of the GM's being in Vegas right now for SL.

[objective]

As bad a fit as Derozan is next to LMA, as big a choker and bad a defender, as bad a three point shooter ...

He fits the same timeline as LMA. If they can get OG and Poertl and offload Mills, maybe take Delon back, get some picks...

I guess it might be tolerable. Maybe. At least it's not the Lakers.

[Fusternino]

Just stop. Clips barely edge the Lakers, and the Lakers offer is complete shit. Harris is a replacement level player, nothing more. Anunoby is better than anyone in your clippers deal, and cheap for 3 more years. Harris wants to get paid next year. Spurs would also get a plug in 20 point scorer on the perimeter to complement LMA.

You keep trying to sell this Clipper shit, but no ones buying.

DDR is a midrange player and Tobias Harris would get at least several million per year less than a max deal. I don't see why we can't get him to buy in if we got Rudy to who is also considered a career loser.

We will continue to get lowballed by everyone. But whatever. Kawhi and his group are doubling down on LA. Either trade to the Clippers for that offer or start a bidding war.

[Fusternino]

This is shaping up to be one of the worst hauls a team got for trading a legit superstar and MVP-caliber player, even assuming the rental risk in the equation.

I think it says a lot more about the toxicity of the environment surrounding the said player and the baggage that has emerged throughout his whole saga.

Dem executives aren't listening to Cris Carter and Stephen A. Smith; the background info they dug on Kawhi must be really damning for us to be getting all these shitty offers ..

He and his group intentionally destroyed his trade value. I think they are definitely concerns about his attitude and injury. Cris Carter has vehemently denied that Philly is a wanted trade destination and Ainge lowballs everybody. Start a bidding war between the two LA teams, maybe just trade to Clippers to prevent a superteam, or find a desperate team who wants him. The Raptors aren't that team, though. Other teams who would do a bad trade have more assets.

[Mugen]

Spurstalk really loves Southern California natives with mental issues :lol

[Fusternino]

Site is having issues.

Let me give this reassurance: I'll be pushing this trade to the Clippers for the rest of the summer.

[SupremeGuy]

Done deal, tbh.

[Ice009]

What happened to Lonnie?????? Is it a serious injury?

[FireMicoHalili]

And why isn't Tobias of value? You need guys who can get their own shot and do it efficiently-he does. Harrell is already a defensive monster and I bet we could fit his FT% and get him to shoot the corner 3. And we need more forwards on this team in general and he'd also be a great small ball 5. Those 2 future picks should be of good value . . . I bet each has about the same value as the Heat 2021 pick.

In terms of teams dealing with us out of desperation/bad management/etc. I'd be most willing to deal with the Heat. I like Richardson/Adebayo/Olynyk/Winslow and two future first rounders for both Kawhi and Mills.
Eye test says Harris would be a good fit for the beautiful game and his shooting definitely helps but the Clippers have to add something. They don’t have a lot. Harrell is an RFA. There isn’t a lot of value in the roster aside from SGA and he can’t be traded for a month.

[FireMicoHalili]

What happened to Lonnie?????? Is it a serious injury?
Gimpy ankle

[offset formation]

Kawhi is not "tight" with any NBA player. Maybe for his standards, he mumbled to Simms a little more than he did to everyone else but lol at the notion that that had anything to with his unhappiness.

[SpursDynasty85]

This is shaping up to be one of the worst hauls a team got for trading a legit superstar and MVP-caliber player, even assuming the rental risk in the equation.

I think it says a lot more about the toxicity of the environment surrounding the said player and the baggage that has emerged throughout his whole saga.

Dem executives aren't listening to Cris Carter and Stephen A. Smith; the background info they dug on Kawhi must be really damning for us to be getting all these shitty offers ..

Compare other super star trades. You are speaking out of context. Some big trades I can remember.

Paul George, James Harden, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, Shaquille Oneal. I dorn recall any of those guys getting traded that had better deals than the ones proposed so far. Maybe Garnett, they got Al Jefferson but Garnett was for a sign and trade or at least Boston knew he was going to resign.

[CGD]

Don't know if he knows anything. Could just be speculating given all the rumors. But he seems to be connected within the Sixers organization.


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DeRozen + OG + Siakam + 2021 First?

That wouldn’t be a bad haul, and actually competitive with Phillys offer. Not a huge DeRozen fan, but he’s a good scorer anyway.

Added bonus is that to make the numbers work they'd have to take back Pau.

[baseline bum]

Just stop. Clips barely edge the Lakers, and the Lakers offer is complete shit. Harris is a replacement level player, nothing more. Anunoby is better than anyone in your clippers deal, and cheap for 3 more years. Harris wants to get paid next year. Spurs would also get a plug in 20 point scorer on the perimeter to complement LMA.

You keep trying to sell this Clipper shit, but no ones buying.

:bobo

Fucking Tobias Harris :lmao

I'd rather get nothing and suspend the Mute than get that crap.

[Play Boban]

What happened to Lonnie?????? Is it a serious injury?
Hopefully tbh

[baseline bum]

He and his group intentionally destroyed his trade value. I think they are definitely concerns about his attitude and injury. Cris Carter has vehemently denied that Philly is a wanted trade destination and Ainge lowballs everybody. Start a bidding war between the two LA teams, maybe just trade to Clippers to prevent a superteam, or find a desperate team who wants him. The Raptors aren't that team, though. Other teams who would do a bad trade have more assets.

Bidding war with the LA teams :lmao

Pelinka: Here I'll give you three nickels for your dollar, RC

West: No RC fuck that guy, I can add a couple of pennies too.

[mo7888]

And why isn't Tobias of value? You need guys who can get their own shot and do it efficiently-he does. Harrell is already a defensive monster and I bet we could fit his FT% and get him to shoot the corner 3. And we need more forwards on this team in general and he'd also be a great small ball 5. Those 2 future picks should be of good value . . . I bet each has about the same value as the Heat 2021 pick.

In terms of teams dealing with us out of desperation/bad management/etc. I'd be most willing to deal with the Heat. I like Richardson/Adebayo/Olynyk/Winslow and two future first rounders for both Kawhi and Mills.

Harris probably has value to someone, which is why no said it would be interesting if the clippers trade him somewhere and get assets to send us, but he's on the final year of his contract and about to be signed for 5 years on a large contract. That wouldn't be good for us. Now if he's agree to something like 18M for 3 years it would be a different story.

[mo7888]

And why isn't Tobias of value? You need guys who can get their own shot and do it efficiently-he does. Harrell is already a defensive monster and I bet we could fit his FT% and get him to shoot the corner 3. And we need more forwards on this team in general and he'd also be a great small ball 5. Those 2 future picks should be of good value . . . I bet each has about the same value as the Heat 2021 pick.

In terms of teams dealing with us out of desperation/bad management/etc. I'd be most willing to deal with the Heat. I like Richardson/Adebayo/Olynyk/Winslow and two future first rounders for both Kawhi and Mills.

Harris probably has value to someone, which is why no said it would be interesting if the clippers trade him somewhere and get assets to send us, but he's on the final year of his contract and about to be signed for 5 years on a large contract. That wouldn't be good for us. Now if he's agree to something like 18M per year for 3 years it would be a different story.

[DAF86]

A lineup of Murray, DeRozan, Anunoby, Gay and Aldridge would be three point challenged, tbh.

[CGD]

As bad a fit as Derozan is next to LMA, as big a choker and bad a defender, as bad a three point shooter ...

He fits the same timeline as LMA. If they can get OG and Poertl and offload Mills, maybe take Delon back, get some picks...

I guess it might be tolerable. Maybe. At least it's not the Lakers.

This is where I’m at. This starting five will be challenged to spread the floor but not terrible:

Murray
Derozan
OG
Bert/Siakam
LMA

Then I’d look for ways to move Patty and Green for future assets before Feb 2019. Either of those guys would be nice on Philly actually.

[MaNu4Tres]

This is where I’m at. This starting five will be challenged to spread the floor but not terrible:

Murray
Derozan
OG
Bert/Siakam
LMA

Then I’d look for ways to move Patty and Green for future assets before Feb 2019. Either of those guys would be nice on Philly actually.

I got

LMA - Bertans - DeRozan - White - DeJounte

Pau - Gay - OG - Marco - Patty

Switch Gay and Bertans if you'd like.

This is if Spurs and TOR can't find a 3rd team to take on Patty instead of Green.

[DMC]

I don't think Derozan is coming to SA. I wouldn't doubt Lowry coming though. Spurs attract downward sloping talent, rarely any prime or upward sloping talent.

[FireMicoHalili]

I don’t know why the Raptors would give up Anunoby and Siakam or picks for a one-year rental. Aside from Murray and White the Spurs have no young assets with which to part. If the Raptors value cap relief then Gasol and Green might be useful, but otherwise it just seems like a move to force Philly’s hand to give up more. To expect them to cough up DeRozan AND young players for Leonard and some other dude would be one-sided and Masai isn’t an idiot.

DeRozan’s iso style is extremely counter-intuitive to the beautiful game but if Pop is bent on continuing Iso Leonard then I guess whatever.

[daslicer]

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[tbdog]

Eye test says Harris would be a good fit for the beautiful game and his shooting definitely helps but the Clippers have to add something. They don’t have a lot. Harrell is an RFA. There isn’t a lot of value in the roster aside from SGA and he can’t be traded for a month.

The eye test says otherwise. Harris is one dimensional with some good rebounding skills for his size. I'll say this again. He cannot pass, screen, rotate, defend one on one. He is a scorer and a shooter, and not a great one of that, just a good one. I don't like Derozen, but he is a far better scorer and a good passer for his mentality. I am unsure if he can play SF though. Which is something we need if Leonard is out.

[objective]

Don't think a deal could happen without Mills or Green or somebody, right?

The difference in salary between Derozan/OG/misc compared to just Kawhi must get them real close to the apron for the hard cap, wouldn't it?

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, I think Mills or Green would be included to make the salaries work, if that is the package Toronto is offering and no third team involved.

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You mean ST "inside source with a friend" #45446546 who got destroyed 2 min later by a link to an anterior article on a biz website who was mentioning the info... Have you ever noticed that they NEVER directly know someone from an FO ? Why ? Because then they will have to answer many other questions (hey, ask your FO friend... !) It's ALWAYS a friend or a "colleague".

No offense but when will some of you just learn... how can I say it diplomatically ?... to use your fucking brain. The more you give credit to these clowns, the more it encourages them.

Oh fuck, I said I was done...

I generally agree with you but this guy isn't causing Vegas to lower their odds to EVEN. There's smoke. Whether or not there's also smoldering fires, we don't yet know.

I'm actually willing to give this poster a hearing. As he stated, he gets nothing from it if he's not here to troll afterwards.

[Fusternino]

I don't think Clippers would give us SGA . . . maybe Robinson. In that case, I'd do Kawhi/Mills for Tobias/Harrell/Robinson but no picks (probably need a first to dump Mills and Robinson is a first himself). And in terms of Harrell being an RFA I know he would have to agree but I don't know any of the other rules in the CBA. My ideal offseason would've been:

Same draft picks, Spurs nailed this.
Find a way to keep Green and Gay which was done as well.
Use the MLE on Mbah a Moute instead of Marco.
Re-sign both Anderson and Bertans.
Trade Kawhi for Harris/Harrell/2 first round picks if Harris agrees beforehand to re-sign to long, reasonable deal like 4/80.
Use the remainder of the MLE on Metu.
Let Parker walk which we did.
Waive BP3, don't re-sign Forbes, hope Manu doesn't retire.
Arrange the contracts so we stay under the tax . . . it's very close from my calculations.

Line-up would've been

(let's face it . . . Manu is a PG and Mills a SG when they're on the floor together)
Murray/Manu/White
Green/Mills/LWIV
Harris/Gay/Mbah a Moute
Anderson/Harrell/Bertans
Aldridge/Gasol/Metu

Next season assume Gasol and Manu are gone . . . draft again to get a big guard who can shot and drive and another mobile big man.

[spurs50_]

Looks like another week will go by without a trade... Why doesn't Leonard say anything?

[CGD]

I don’t know why the Raptors would give up Anunoby and Siakam or picks for a one-year rental. Aside from Murray and White the Spurs have no young assets with which to part. If the Raptors value cap relief then Gasol and Green might be useful, but otherwise it just seems like a move to force Philly’s hand to give up more. To expect them to cough up DeRozan AND young players for Leonard and some other dude would be one-sided and Masai isn’t an idiot.

DeRozan’s iso style is extremely counter-intuitive to the beautiful game but if Pop is bent on continuing Iso Leonard then I guess whatever.

The more i think about it, I don’t think Raps see this as a rental situation as much as a salary dump opportunity. They’re long term money situation looks rough this AND next year with Lowry, DeRozen and Serge each making over 22M. They’re paying luxury tax this year and slotted to pay at least 16M in it again next season (that excludes the repeater surcharge).

With how bad they’ve underperformed, the writing is on the wall that they need to move at least one of those guys. We’re not taking Serge. Those peices (OG, etc.) are cost of potentially getting off a steep luxury tax bill next season. Sending them Green’s expiring and the difference in Leonards deal wipes all that out.

[CGD]

Yeah, I think Mills or Green would be included to make the salaries work, if that is the package Toronto is offering and no third team involved.

Or Pau

[Payote75]

I'm ok with Toronto derozan plus obviously need to know what the plus is.
With that being said when pop told Leonard they had a deal lined up for some help for him another star and we all heard it was Kembra walker obviously trading Leonard. Do you guys think the Spurs still have something like that lined up Walker or who ever. If you get the package we are all discussing from Toronto or something close we still have the pieces apparently to get this other mystery person. So would it be mills Murray plus for Walker or gasol mills Murray or green for Walker. Like what would it take and how the hell did the Spurs have the pieces to pull something off like that???

i do think a team of:

derozan
walker
aldridge
gay/og
and one of those Toronto bigs

with our bench then that's a pretty damn solid team no????

[FkLA]

A lineup of Murray, DeRozan, Anunoby, Gay and Aldridge would be three point challenged, tbh.

Easily fixable by managing rotations and/or inserting Patty or Bertans into the starting line-up. Outside of Murray and DeRozan, there would be plenty of 3PT shooting on the roster.

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[PennSpur]

Why are we convinced that it's Derozan on the move and not Lowry? Is it just because of the IG thing and the Lowe proposal?

Honestly, I'd be ecstatic with Lowry/OG/pick for Kawhi/Patty. I think that squad could win 50-55 games and be about even with Utah in that next tier of Western teams behind GSW & Hou.

According to ESPN's RPM, Lowry produced the 6th/13th/9th most wins in the regular season from 2016-18. Kawhi was 7th/8th/Inj over that same time period. I know RPM isnt a perfect stat, but Lowry is a legitimately valuable player.

[Fusternino]

The eye test says otherwise. Harris is one dimensional with some good rebounding skills for his size. I'll say this again. He cannot pass, screen, rotate, defend one on one. He is a scorer and a shooter, and not a great one of that, just a good one. I don't like Derozen, but he is a far better scorer and a good passer for his mentality. I am unsure if he can play SF though. Which is something we need if Leonard is out.

I think Harris would be at least 5M/year cheaper on his next contract. If we don't have more than one (LMA) guy who can get his own shot and do it efficiently honestly we should just blow it up. LMA probably would've fetched at least the 16 pick from the Suns and Kawhi could've been moved for at least 2 pick and Bogdanovic from the Kings. We could also have moved LMA to the Grizzles for at least the 4 pick and a Parsons salary dump. I don't think that's in the plans though because it didn't happen. I just don't think you can give up Kawhi if we're re-tooling and not expect at least one good isolation player back. I also don't like that DeRozan isn't a good three point shooter. Our starting line-up is already lacking spacing. I'd rather have Lowry (by a lot) but we had a logjam at that position which was finally solved. Raptors do have a couple nice bigs they could send us and we get to salary dump Mills. It might work. I don't expect DeRozan to age badly. Maybe Pop could get him to shoot 3's better.

[Payote75]

Why are we convinced that it's Derozan on the move and not Lowry? Is it just because of the IG thing and the Lowe proposal?

Honestly, I'd be ecstatic with Lowry/OG/pick for Kawhi/Patty. I think that squad could win 50-55 games and be about even with Utah in that next tier of Western teams behind GSW & Hou.

According to ESPN's RPM, Lowry produced the 6th/13th/9th most wins in the regular season from 2016-18. Kawhi was 7th/8th/Inj over that same time period. I know RPM isnt a perfect stat, but Lowry is a legitimately valuable player.

no way on Lowry man ...makes more money and 3-4 years older pass on Lowry.

[Budkin]

Looks like another week will go by without a trade... Why doesn't Leonard say anything?

...

[tbdog]

Why are we convinced that it's Derozan on the move and not Lowry? Is it just because of the IG thing and the Lowe proposal?

Honestly, I'd be ecstatic with Lowry/OG/pick for Kawhi/Patty. I think that squad could win 50-55 games and be about even with Utah in that next tier of Western teams behind GSW & Hou.

According to ESPN's RPM, Lowry produced the 6th/13th/9th most wins in the regular season from 2016-18. Kawhi was 7th/8th/Inj over that same time period. I know RPM isnt a perfect stat, but Lowry is a legitimately valuable player.

Mainly because we are heavy in guards. Rotational guys this year: Murray, Mills, White, Green, Beli. Then there is Walker, re-upping Forbes, and who knows with Manu. Getting Lowry on top of that, who is a 30 plus min guy. We would have to send out 2 guards and lose Manu.

[FkLA]

I don’t know why the Raptors would give up Anunoby and Siakam or picks for a one-year rental. Aside from Murray and White the Spurs have no young assets with which to part. If the Raptors value cap relief then Gasol and Green might be useful, but otherwise it just seems like a move to force Philly’s hand to give up more. To expect them to cough up DeRozan AND young players for Leonard and some other dude would be one-sided and Masai isn’t an idiot.

DeRozan’s iso style is extremely counter-intuitive to the beautiful game but if Pop is bent on continuing Iso Leonard then I guess whatever.

The assumption is they have come to the realization that Lowry-DeRozan core has hit it's ceiling. This would be more of a salary dump of DeRozan so they can start heading in a different direction earlier moreso than it is them banking on being able to resign Kawhitter. I'm sure they'd try to keep him but confidence in keeping him isn't the reason they would make the move.

DeRozan, OG, and a pick would be enough for me. Remain competitive for Pop and LMA's final years by adding an in his prime 25 PPG guy and get a 20 year old that will hold down the SF position for years to come. What's so bad about that?

[FireMicoHalili]

Why are we convinced that it's Derozan on the move and not Lowry? Is it just because of the IG thing and the Lowe proposal?

Honestly, I'd be ecstatic with Lowry/OG/pick for Kawhi/Patty. I think that squad could win 50-55 games and be about even with Utah in that next tier of Western teams behind GSW & Hou.

According to ESPN's RPM, Lowry produced the 6th/13th/9th most wins in the regular season from 2016-18. Kawhi was 7th/8th/Inj over that same time period. I know RPM isnt a perfect stat, but Lowry is a legitimately valuable player.
This is a concern. It’s nice to give Murray some mentoring but it might stunt his growth. Also are the Spurs the only viable trade partner for a salary dump? I’m sure other teams can make an offer for either. Really just seems like a signal to the rest of the league both guys are available.

[PennSpur]

And yet Lowry's 5-year projected market value on 538 (appropriate since we're on pg 538 of the thread) is $222M vs. $89M for Derozan. I think all of 538's salary numbers are inflated, but the point is pretty clear that a) Lowry has been move valuable than Derozan historically and b) the stats systems, which account for age, expect Lowry to continue to outperform DD for the next several years.

Beyond that, Lowry allegedly actually wanted to play in SA last offseason, which should count for something.

[sasaint]

I generally agree with you but this guy isn't causing Vegas to lower their odds to EVEN. There's smoke. Whether or not there's also smoldering fires, we don't yet know.

I'm actually willing to give this poster a hearing. As he stated, he gets nothing from it if he's not here to troll afterwards.

Vegas had Kawhi going to LA just a week ago. Not a great barometer.

[Dverde]

I would rather have a Patty at 10M than Lowry at 30M. I need to take a shower now.

[FireMicoHalili]

The assumption is they have come to the realization that Lowry-DeRozan core has hit it's ceiling. This would be more of a salary dump of DeRozan so they can start heading in a different direction earlier moreso than it is them banking on being able to resign Kawhitter. I'm sure they'd try to keep him but confidence in keeping him isn't the reason they would make the move.

DeRozan, OG, and a pick would be enough for me. Remain competitive for Pop and LMA's final years by adding an in his prime 25 PPG guy and get a 20 year old that will hold down the SF position for years to come. What's so bad about that?
Not saying it’s bad since a trade is better than having all that value (Kawhi) remain on the injured list. If it really is a salary dump then it makes a ton of sense. It just doesn’t make sense to give up OG (whom I really like) if they’re getting a player like him but on a one-year rental. If it isn’t Lowry then Green will most likely be dealt. Trade will probably look like DeRozan and OG/Siakam/Poltl for Leonard and Green/Mills. Green is more likely to be traded since the team has a glut of wings. I’m sure Masai would also want to part with Ibaka and/or Valanciunas so that may complicate things, requiring Gasol and Brandon Paul to be traded.

[tbdog]

I think Harris would be at least 5M/year cheaper on his next contract. If we don't have more than one (LMA) guy who can get his own shot and do it efficiently honestly we should just blow it up. LMA probably would've fetched at least the 16 pick from the Suns and Kawhi could've been moved for at least 2 pick and Bogdanovic from the Kings. We could also have moved LMA to the Grizzles for at least the 4 pick and a Parsons salary dump. I don't think that's in the plans though because it didn't happen. I just don't think you can give up Kawhi if we're re-tooling and not expect at least one good isolation player back. I also don't like that DeRozan isn't a good three point shooter. Our starting line-up is already lacking spacing. I'd rather have Lowry (by a lot) but we had a logjam at that position which was finally solved. Raptors do have a couple nice bigs they could send us and we get to salary dump Mills. It might work. I don't expect DeRozan to age badly. Maybe Pop could get him to shoot 3's better.

Because you can get better options if scoring is an option. Saric is up to 14ppg, up to his 3rd year, and has a better feel for the game. Ingram up to 16ppg, also going into his 3rd and a better playmaker. What about Jimmy Buckets? There are options if scoring is what we want, and better options at that, both short term and long term. You know what other player was a good second option but a terrible third and fourth option? Richard Jefferson. That is what Harris is. Gifted scoring when is his number is called, but cannot adapt when his number isn't called for.

[FkLA]

Lowry doesn't move the needle for me. He's like a less talented, shorter, fatter, PG version of DeRozan.

Hasn't he historically choked much worse than DeRozan in the playoffs?

[Fusternino]

Mainly because we are heavy in guards. Rotational guys this year: Murray, Mills, White, Green, Beli. Then there is Walker, re-upping Forbes, and who knows with Manu. Getting Lowry on top of that, who is a 30 plus min guy. We would have to send out 2 guards and lose Manu.

I'd move Murray or White to them if they attach another young big. We'd have 7 guards then including Manu-why would we need to lose him? Not enough PT? Him and Green probably will be playing the 3 a lot, I guess.

[PennSpur]

I might talk myself into it if we wind up getting DD, and honestly I just want all the speculation to end, but I think Derozan is tremendously overrated. Ppl complain about Lowry's deal which has $64M remaining over two years but seem totally okay with potentially paying Derozan $83M over 3. I'd much rather pay the extra $4M per year for the guy I perceive to be a vastly superior player.

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Vegas had Kawhi going to LA just a week ago. Not a great barometer.

Not at EVEN odds. Think the lowest they got was +200 or +300. But they've mostly been holding at +500 or higher.

This has the most legs of anything...to date, at least as far as Vegas oddsmakers are concerned.

[Ron Swanson]

Lowry doesn't move the needle for me. He's like a less talented, shorter, fatter, PG version of DeRozan.

Hasn't he historically choked much worse than DeRozan in the playoffs?

I'm with you. I don't want Lowry here.

[PennSpur]

Lowry shot poorly in the 2016 playoffs and was injured for part (all?) of the Cleveland series in 2017. His playoff BPMs have not been as strong as his regular season numbers, but they're still positive. Lowry is +3.7/+2.5/+3.9 vs. -3.4/-1.1/-4.1 for Derozan over the last three years.

[Fusternino]

Because you can get better options if scoring is an option. Saric is up to 14ppg, up to his 3rd year, and has a better feel for the game. Ingram up to 16ppg, also going into his 3rd and a better playmaker. What about Jimmy Buckets? There are options if scoring is what we want, and better options at that, both short term and long term. You know what other player was a good second option but a terrible third and fourth option? Richard Jefferson. That is what Harris is. Gifted scoring when is his number is called, but cannot adapt when his number isn't called for.

He played with Lou Williams-weren't they basically equally ball dominant?

I would definitely straight up trade Kawhi for Butler but that deal is going the Lakers almost certainly unless Minnesota thinks their own relationship with him is so fractured that they would have a better chance courting Kawhi for a year.

In general I think all of the Lakers young players are overrated and they fully intend to lowball us anyways. I would honestly want basically everything (Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Hart) from them and just re-route Lonzo to somewhere else.

Sixers might up their offer . . . we'll see. They have more ways to match salary without giving away too many assets (well, mainly Chandler) than the Lakers do. I really doubt Lakers trade any of the guys (Rondo, KCP) they just signed to 1 year for salary matching.

[BatManu20]

Manimal on the move in an apparent salary dump


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[BatManu20]

Linsanity too


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[BatManu20]

IT getting the Vet Minimum one year after expecting to get a monster deal is nuts tbh. He's damaged goods though and is the worst defender in the league. This is his value now.


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[Fusternino]

IT


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Brutal, tbh.

[PennSpur]

Lowry most similar player at his age a/c to 538: Chauncey Billups
Derozan most similar: Rip Hamilton (and Rudy is #2)

I think those are reasonable comps in terms of their respective values. Billups dropped off a bit at 32 but was solidly above average through his age 34 season, including leading the Nuggets to the WCF when he was 33.

[Mr. Body]

Brutal, tbh.

Really? IT is limited as hell. Also seems to have personality issues that make it hard to play with him.

[BatManu20]

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[Fusternino]

Really? IT is limited as hell. Also seems to have personality issues that make it hard to play with him.

He should get at least the full MLE or have gotten to be the back up to Lonzo on a great team.

[BatManu20]

Ainge patting himself on the back right now for trading IT tbh.

[Dverde]

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Maybe Nuggs going after Clint Capela

[FireMicoHalili]

Lowry shot poorly in the 2016 playoffs and was injured for part (all?) of the Cleveland series in 2017. His playoff BPMs have not been as strong as his regular season numbers, but they're still positive. Lowry is +3.7/+2.5/+3.9 vs. -3.4/-1.1/-4.1 for Derozan over the last three years.
Read somewhere DeRozan plays a peculiar style of basketball. I’m assuming it’s iso ball. I’m sure Pop has the chops to whip up something decent with whatever he gets but it’s a weird fit. Curious to see how it works.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

I don't think anything happens until teams see him on the floor at USA camp. Gives them a chance to remember who and what he can do...

[HarlemHeat37]

Read somewhere DeRozan plays a peculiar style of basketball. I’m assuming it’s iso ball. I’m sure Pop has the chops to whip up something decent with whatever he gets but it’s a weird fit. Curious to see how it works.

His terrible iso style is hideous in today's NBA, but it's actually a great fit for the current Spurs..they're desperate for a high-level scorer and they already play black hole ball with Aldridge and Gay on the team, it's not like DeRozan would be stopping ball movement like he would on any other team:lol

DeRozan on the Warriors or Rockets would make them worse, but he's perfect for the Spurs..

[Mr. Body]

Maybe Nuggs going after Clint Capela

There were rumors of picking up Deng, possibly getting Ball for it.

[FkLA]

His terrible iso style is hideous in today's NBA, but it's actually a great fit for the current Spurs..they're desperate for a high-level scorer and they already play black hole ball with Aldridge and Gay on the team, it's not like DeRozan would be stopping ball movement like he would on any other team:lol

DeRozan on the Warriors or Rockets would make them worse, but he's perfect for the Spurs..

Is Lowry better than him? Apparently his metrics suggest that he is but he just doesn't pass the eye test for me. Although admittedly I don't watch a lot of Raptors outside of the playoffs. I know you watch them a lot since they're your hometown team.

[BatManu20]

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[Amuseddaysleeper]

Lowry doesn't move the needle for me. He's like a less talented, shorter, fatter, PG version of DeRozan.

Hasn't he historically choked much worse than DeRozan in the playoffs?

No, DeMar has been much worse. I've seen nearly every single Toronto for the last 5 years, I live here and I'm telling you man while I'm not thrilled about either player with a gun to my head I take Lowry every day of the week. Even if Lowry isn't shooting well, he is 100 times the playmaker DeRozan is and a better defender (not that Lowry is a great defender but DeMar mails it in on that end every time). Lowry is also a MUCH better outside shooter than DeRozan and is on a much friendlier contract. DeRozan has one of the worst contracts in the league.

Spurs desperately and I mean DESPERATELY need a playmaker and outside shooter. Lowry does both.

DeMar when his shot isn't falling is absolutely awful. Again, DeMar was BENCHED completely in the ENTIRE fourth quarters of multiple playoff games. That's never happened with Lowry. DeMar and LMA would be an awful awful fit.

I understand the Spurs are going to get screwed either way in a Kawhi trade but if they can get Lowry and OG (who has TREMENDOUS upside and will be an elite defender in this league hands down) I would be much happier. I'm not even the biggest Lowry fan, but without hesitation would I take Lowry over Demar.

[HarlemHeat37]

Is Lowry better than him? Apparently his metrics suggest that he is but he just doesn't pass the eye test for me. Although admittedly I don't watch a lot of Raptors outside of the playoffs. I know you watch them a lot since they're your hometown team.

Lowry's much easier to fit on a good team because he's a much better shooter, passer, defender and team player..I wouldn't necessarily say he's better, though, DeRozan has a higher ceiling and can legitimately carry an offense on nights where his volume scoring is working..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

His terrible iso style is hideous in today's NBA, but it's actually a great fit for the current Spurs..they're desperate for a high-level scorer and they already play black hole ball with Aldridge and Gay on the team, it's not like DeRozan would be stopping ball movement like he would on any other team:lol

DeRozan on the Warriors or Rockets would make them worse, but he's perfect for the Spurs..

He can't shoot and he can't pass. When his midrange isn't falling he is useless.

Spurs need outside shooting and playmaking, DeRozan brings none of that. He also choked badly in the playoffs every single year. He's an inefficient chucker, Spurs don't need any more of those.

[BatManu20]

Lowry turns 33 this season and is set to make over $64M over the next two years.. Gross.


Lowry is the better shooter, passer, and defender, but DeMar is the better all-around scorer and is almost 4 years younger. It's a no-brainer who you take in this hypothetical deal. Seriously.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Lowry turns 33 this season and is set to make over $64M over the next two years.. Gross.


Lowry is the better shooter and defender, but DeMar is the better all-around scorer and is almost 4 years younger. It's a no-brainer who you take in this hypothetical deal.

And yet DeMar is set to make 81 Million over the next 3 years (!!!)

His third year from now is a player option but now way does he turn that down unless he goes HAM these next few years.

I agree DeMar is younger but Lowry fits a skillset the Spurs need much more than DeMar's. DeMar is a one tricky pont, and he is good at that one trick and has elite footwork but he's peaked (as has Lowry). He's also very very soft.

[HarlemHeat37]

He can't shoot and he can't pass. When his midrange isn't falling he is useless.

Spurs need outside shooting and playmaking, DeRozan brings none of that. He also choked badly in the playoffs every single year. He's an inefficient chucker, Spurs don't need any more of those.

Lowry isn't good enough as a creator for this Spurs team, his individual shot creating has visibly fallen off and he has trouble going at good defenders nowadays..

This Spurs team desperately needs an individual shot creator..Lowry's a good passer and creator for others, but we need to accept that this Spurs team isn't built like that anymore..they need a high-level volume scorer, which Lowry isn't ..

I'd rather have Lowry short-term if the Spurs had offensive talent to surround him with, but they don't..they need somebody to help carry an offense with scoring..

I strongly dislike Derozan's game and I already hate watching Aldridge, but thats the best fit IMO..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Lowry isn't good enough as a creator for this Spurs team, his individual shot creating has visibly fallen off lately and he has trouble going at good defenders nowadays..

This Spurs team desperately needs an individual shot creator..Lowry's a good passer and creator for others, but we need to accept that this Spurs team isn't built like that anymore..they need a high-level volume scorer, which Lowry isn't ..

I hear where you're coming from, and DeMar will win some extra regular season games but to pay that much for a playoff choker is too much. If the Spurs are going all in on iso ball even then I don't see how him and LMA will fit. It's going to be so awkward.

Lowry is only getting older but he can at least run a pick and roll and find the open man. Both players frustrate the hell out of me in fourth quarter situations as they can get very selfish and try to do too much.

Does SA really need more ball stoppers? Because that's what DeRozan is.

[InRareForm]

I like lowry but aging point guards is not good with a team that might be looking to rebuild

[eDizzle20]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Washington was inquiring about Kawhi. The Wizards have a decent roster, but falter every year in the first or second round of the playoffs. Beal would be the ideal centerpiece for the Spurs.

[Killakobe81]

Ainge patting himself on the back right now for trading IT tbh.

Sure, but now players...seen how they did IT.
May not matter since they can trade for what they need... But damn, is he a cautionary tale for Kawhi and others not to play through injury.

[Ron Swanson]

Kawhi's group already said he's 100%.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Washington was inquiring about Kawhi. The Wizards have a decent roster, but falter every year in the first or second round of the playoffs. Beal would be the ideal centerpiece for the Spurs.

Well RC was at the most recent Wizards/Clippers game

[raybies]

Remarkable job by Marks. They had nothing when he got there and he’s done some clever moves to assemble whatever grade of talent you’d call them. They’ll play hard no doubt.

[palangi]

I like lowry but aging point guards is not good with a team that might be looking to rebuild

Not to mention we have 2 young PG already ready to go

[BatManu20]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Washington was inquiring about Kawhi. The Wizards have a decent roster, but falter every year in the first or second round of the playoffs. Beal would be the ideal centerpiece for the Spurs.

I mentioned the Wiz as a potential trading partner a few days ago. Thought maybe they’d consider Beal + Kelly Oubre for Kawhi but I doubt they’d do that for a 1-year rental tbh.


They’d prob offer Otto Porter and his awful contract instead. Big no to that.

[tbdog]

I'd move Murray or White to them if they attach another young big. We'd have 7 guards then including Manu-why would we need to lose him? Not enough PT? Him and Green probably will be playing the 3 a lot, I guess.

Well Mills, White, Walker, Murray, Forbes and Beli all cannot play the 3. So by virtue, Manu and Green will have too. Both they cannot play it full time though. Too much wear and tear on their bodies to split 48mins, right? Green and Manu to back up Leonard is fine. But Currently, we assume we don't have Leonard. It makes no sense that Mills is in our team with the way we drafted and signing Beli, resigning Forbes, and we assume Manu is back until he says he is not.

[Fusternino]

Well Mills, White, Walker, Murray, Forbes and Beli all cannot play the 3. So by virtue, Manu and Green will have too. Both they cannot play it full time though. Too much wear and tear on their bodies to split 48mins, right? Green and Manu to back up Leonard is fine. But Currently, we assume we don't have Leonard. It makes no sense that Mills is in our team with the way we drafted and signing Beli, resigning Forbes, and we assume Manu is back until he says he is not.

I'm assuming Gay can play 24-30 minutes a game and he and Bertans would be switching the 3/4 positions frequently. And including the two bigs/forwards we'd get back we'd only be at 14 players assuming we sign Metu. I'm sure an emergency option is available for the BAE although tbh I haven't found it yet.

[BlackAndWhite]

Sad news for Isaiah. This guy was scheduled to make hundreds of millions. Hope he recovers though

[DAF86]

Lowry turns 33 this season and is set to make over $64M over the next two years.. Gross.


Lowry is the better shooter, passer, and defender, but DeMar is the better all-around scorer and is almost 4 years younger. It's a no-brainer who you take in this hypothetical deal. Seriously.

Yeah, neither.

[DAF86]

Just hold on to Kawhi. He has no option but to play this season. Who knows? maybe they can work it out.

[FireMicoHalili]

No, DeMar has been much worse. I've seen nearly every single Toronto for the last 5 years, I live here and I'm telling you man while I'm not thrilled about either player with a gun to my head I take Lowry every day of the week. Even if Lowry isn't shooting well, he is 100 times the playmaker DeRozan is and a better defender (not that Lowry is a great defender but DeMar mails it in on that end every time). Lowry is also a MUCH better outside shooter than DeRozan and is on a much friendlier contract. DeRozan has one of the worst contracts in the league.

Spurs desperately and I mean DESPERATELY need a playmaker and outside shooter. Lowry does both.

DeMar when his shot isn't falling is absolutely awful. Again, DeMar was BENCHED completely in the ENTIRE fourth quarters of multiple playoff games. That's never happened with Lowry. DeMar and LMA would be an awful awful fit.

I understand the Spurs are going to get screwed either way in a Kawhi trade but if they can get Lowry and OG (who has TREMENDOUS upside and will be an elite defender in this league hands down) I would be much happier. I'm not even the biggest Lowry fan, but without hesitation would I take Lowry over Demar.
Dang okay thanks for the input man. Advanced metrics aren’t helping DeRozan a lot and his three-point shooting is horrible, even for someone who’s been in the league long enough. Though his midrange game is superb that’s just not how the league works anymore and Lowry seems like a more palatable get than DeRozan. Two years left anyway, on top of providing some mentoring to younger guards.

The real prize here would be OG since getting another player like Leonard for cheap is like we didn’t lose him at all, though it’s going to take some time to develop him and Pop doesn’t have the luxury of time to mold him.

[BatManu20]

Spurs interested in Nwaba. 6'4 undrafted SG out of Cal Poly in 2016.


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[FireMicoHalili]

His terrible iso style is hideous in today's NBA, but it's actually a great fit for the current Spurs..they're desperate for a high-level scorer and they already play black hole ball with Aldridge and Gay on the team, it's not like DeRozan would be stopping ball movement like he would on any other team:lol

DeRozan on the Warriors or Rockets would make them worse, but he's perfect for the Spurs..
Same sentiment regarding black hole ball :lol this team is going to be deliciously hideous with all those low percentage midrange shots

[BatManu20]

http://youtu.be/OTCl4QKbyQg

[LkrFan]

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:wow

[Texas_Ranger]

Spurs interested in Nwaba. 6'4 undrafted SG out of Cal Poly in 2016.



another guard we dont need

[slick'81]

Something tell me kawahi isnt going to toronto and this is all baseless speculation

[cutewizard]

Manimal on the move in an apparent salary dump


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--------------------------Id like the Manimal on the Spurs

[venitian navigator]

if something with the Raptors goes on, it could also be something that let them have their supposed stars...while downloading to us their worst contracts (except their all star back court, these are Powell and Ibaka).
One deal that work, for example, is :

Powell - Ibaka - Siakam - OG - Poeltl for Leonard - Pau - Paul

[Chinook]

I like Lowry more than DeRozan, but it's MUCH easier for SA to pivot toward acquiring a guard after getting DeRozan than it would be for them to find a forward after Lowry. They almost certainly could get Walker if they wanted for example. The only forward who could be on the market is Harris, and I think LAC would hold onto him for now for any reasonable offer. The team needed a scoring guard WITH Kawhi and Aldridge. So trading Kawhi for one still leaves a major hole that SA should prioritize filling.

Lowry, White, Frobes
Murray, Beli, Walker
Anunoby, Gay, Siakam
Harris, Bertans, Metu
Aldridge, Gasol, Milutinov

Two-way: Hanlan and Blossomgame

That's a legit and versatile roster that should be possible, though it could get expensive to maintain.

[Chinook]

if something with the Raptors goes on, it could also be something that let them have their supposed stars...while downloading to us their worst contracts (except their all star back court, these are Powell and Ibaka).
One deal that work, for example, is :

Powell - Ibaka - Siakam - OG - Poeltl for Leonard - Pau - Paul

Powell is a huge negative right now. SA would be drowning in bad salary if they brought him in without moving Mills at least.

[BatManu20]

Something tell me kawahi isnt going to toronto and this is all baseless speculation

Been saying I don’t think Toronto happens, even if it does make the most sense on paper. I think it’s Philly or bust.

[BatManu20]

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:wow

He wipes his IG every summer. Did it the last two Summers too.

[JPB]

everyone is worried about making a mandatory trade for kiwi, but the example is cleveland


one year ago..... and now after irving trade, who is thinking that it was a good idea to have the shit of players contracts like hill, Clarkson, larry nance,


that means they now have shit and their contracts


SA has to keep the rat and rebuild from free agency or draft, bring mediocre players does not even have money available to go to free agency

Ideal is precisely to get expiring and picks. You need picks to rebuild. Just one more pick can change your landscape if you draft well.

[venitian navigator]

Powell is a huge negative right now. SA would be drowning in bad salary if they brought him in without moving Mills at least.

Agree, but Powell is a bad asset in a total iso game like the Raptors were playing for De Rozan. In a different system, with more young and speed oriented guys he could be worth is contract. For sure he's a decent defender and has athletic sjills (also a good outside shoot till last season).
Mills can be traded in a separate deal for a forward...I see markets like Broocklin (for the newly acquired Arthur or Faried) and Philly (for Chandler's expiring) as possible as teams they could like him (both are fast pace oriented teams).

[Chinook]

Agree, but Powell is a bad asset in a total iso game like the Raptors were playing for De Rozan. In a different system, with more young and speed oriented guys he could be worth is contract. For sure he's a decent defender and has athletic sjills (also a good outside shoot till last season).
Mills can be traded in a separate deal for a forward...I see markets like Broocklin (for the newly acquired Arthur or Faried) and Philly (for Chandler's expiring) as possible as teams they could like him (both are fast pace oriented teams).

I'm not taking back bad salary and them paying another team to send out not-as-bad salary. I'm also not locking up yet another 6-4 guard. Toronto would have to pay big to move Norm to SA if I were PATFO. The Spurs just don't have salary bad enough for it to make sense.

[JPB]

:lol Gonna be hilarious in 2 years when these teams look back and realize they didn't trade for Kawhi because they didn't want to lose guys like Ingram, Markelle Fultz, Jaylen Brown....


I'd trade Dejounte and/or White for a guy like Kemba on a 1yr, no hesitation....and Kemba is no Kawhi....

This, tbh.

NBA champion, 2 times DOTY, Lebron and Durant terminator in his prime, considered favorite before this drama for this year MPV and you don't want to trade for kids who had one decent season in the Leastern conference and a couple of good games vs Indiana, Washington or whatever in the PO...

Without the drama, it would be no brainer but no doubt that's what most GMs have in mind now and why Spurs will get re-upped offers in the following days or hours.

other teams fans : "Spurs have no leverage"
Fakers fans : "You'll have no choice but take our garbage".

Let the sweepstakawhes begin....

[DJR210]

Sad news for Isaiah. This guy was scheduled to make hundreds of millions. Hope he recovers though

Yes, receiving a measly 2 million dollars to play a game is the most depressing thing I've read all week :cry

[DJR210]

http://youtu.be/OTCl4QKbyQg

:lol For someone to make a dunk compilation, I was expecting it to be a highlight reel of impressive dunks.. A ton of those came off playing the passing lanes though :tu

[JuneJive]

Kawhi's showing at Team USA camp would boost his trade value.

Any chance that PATFO are waiting for this?

[r0drig0lac]

Spurs interested in Nwaba. 6'4 undrafted SG out of Cal Poly in 2016.


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http://youtu.be/VohXlAZxGl0

no surprise, spurs love players under 6'6 "

[spurschamps99030507]

Ideal is precisely to get expiring and picks. You need picks to rebuild. Just one more pick can change your landscape if you draft well.

what I mean is that SA can not bring shit contracts like derozan when next summer there are players in free agency like jimmy butler, irving etc.

the key is to have salary space next summer. You stay with the rat,

derozan is a good regular season player, in the playoffs we have all seen the shit that they are with lowry

[exstatic]

what I mean is that SA can not bring shit contracts like derozan when next summer there are players in free agency like jimmy butler, irving etc.

the key is to have salary space next summer. You stay with the rat,

derozan is a good regular season player, in the playoffs we have all seen the shit that they are with lowry

The reality is, it doesn’t matter if DD is just a regular season player. No one is beating GS until they break up. Pop is coaching two more years, and they will be transitional seasons, playoffs, but also development of youngsters, so when he leaves, the team will go on. At that point, 2020, one or more of GS four horsemen will have left, and DD will be an ending contract that we can flip.

[spurschamps99030507]

The reality is, it doesn’t matter if DD is just a regular season player. No one is beating GS until they break up. Pop is coaching two more years, and they will be transitional seasons, playoffs, but also development of youngsters, so when he leaves, the team will go on. At that point, 2020, one or more of GS four horsemen will have left, and DD will be an ending contract that we can flip.

yep I know 1y ago Adrian Wojnarowski (https://twitter.com/wojespn)@wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)

Sources: In the Kyrie Irving meeting with Cavs, one of primary teams raised as a preferred trade destination for him: The San Antonio Spurs.

22:17 - 21 jul. 2017

It has been reported that Jimmy Butler and Irving are great friends, I would like SA to have salary space next summer & the team may have the possibility to sign them assuming that the rat is leaving

[Mr. Body]

yep I know 1y ago Adrian Wojnarowski (https://twitter.com/wojespn)@wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)

Sources: In the Kyrie Irving meeting with Cavs, one of primary teams raised as a preferred trade destination for him: The San Antonio Spurs.22:17 - 21 jul. 2017

It has been reported that Jimmy Butler and Irving are great friends, I would like SA to have salary space next summer & the team may have the possibility to sign them assuming that the rat is leaving

No way in hell Kyrie and Butler come to SA. They're going to a big market like NYK if they can

[spurschamps99030507]

No way in hell Kyrie and Butler come to SA. They're going to a big market like NYK if they can

in that information indicated that his favorite destination was San Antonio, in his consideration that it is a small market is not a problem

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

yep I know 1y ago Adrian Wojnarowski (https://twitter.com/wojespn)@wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)

Sources: In the Kyrie Irving meeting with Cavs, one of primary teams raised as a preferred trade destination for him: The San Antonio Spurs.

22:17 - 21 jul. 2017

It has been reported that Jimmy Butler and Irving are great friends, I would like SA to have salary space next summer & the team may have the possibility to sign them assuming that the rat is leaving

They won't be able to create two max slots next summer. The only chance for this to be even a minor possibility would be to trade the snake for Butler now and sign him to an extension and they'll still be hard pressed to open another max slot without trading Aldridge. Not that Minnesota seem interested in the snake in the slightest anyway.

[spurschamps99030507]

Jan 4, 2018, 2:30 PM EDT (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/report-spurs-tried-really-really-hard-to-trade-for-kyrie-irving/)

Adrian Wojnarowski on ESPN:


San Antonio tried really, really hard to make a trade for him. And that was the initial goal, to play for Pop. It wasn’t about big market

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/report-spurs-tried-really-really-hard-to-trade-for-kyrie-irving/

[Mr. Body]

in that information indicated that his favorite destination was San Antonio, in his consideration that it is a small market is not a problem

As you well know, everybody on the market as an FA or trade target will list San Antonio as a destination.

[CGD]

Jan 4, 2018, 2:30 PM EDT (https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/report-spurs-tried-really-really-hard-to-trade-for-kyrie-irving/)

Adrian Wojnarowski on ESPN:


San Antonio tried really, really hard to make a trade for him. And that was the initial goal, to play for Pop. It wasn’t about big market

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/report-spurs-tried-really-really-hard-to-trade-for-kyrie-irving/



Dodged a bullet with that injury. If this was last year and we had more cost control, I’d be all over Irving coming. But the rumors of him to NYC ereely remind me of the Lebron to LA rumors that started to gain steam this time last year. That seems cooked.

[8FOR!3]

Nwaba is a good defender he’d be a good player to have

[Maddog]

Nwaba is a good defender he’d be a good player to have

Another guard

[SAGirl]

The assumption is they have come to the realization that Lowry-DeRozan core has hit it's ceiling. This would be more of a salary dump of DeRozan so they can start heading in a different direction earlier moreso than it is them banking on being able to resign Kawhitter. I'm sure they'd try to keep him but confidence in keeping him isn't the reason they would make the move.

DeRozan, OG, and a pick would be enough for me. Remain competitive for Pop and LMA's final years by adding an in his prime 25 PPG guy and get a 20 year old that will hold down the SF position for years to come. What's so bad about that?
I have thought about this and it doesn't make sense for the Raptors unless they get to keep Kawhi to give up their best young talent and picks, bc they would lose those assets on top of Leonard. I don't expect the trade to be that rich.

We may criticize Derozan but he has been a franchise player... I am not sure Raptors would feel that they need to attach rebuilding pieces that they will need for themselves when Kawhi walks. If am the Raptors I don't do this deal.

[ceperez]

I have thought about this and it doesn't make sense for the Raptors unless they get to keep Kawhi to give up their best young talent and picks, bc they would lose those assets on top of Leonard. I don't expect the trade to be that rich.

We may criticize Derozan but he has been a franchise player... I am not sure Raptors would feel that they need to attach rebuilding pieces that they will need for themselves when Kawhi walks. If am the Raptors I don't do this deal.

Doesn't make sense for the Raptors? They've realize that they've run out of rope! If it gets them a spot at the finals and a chance to re-sign Leonard (like Paul did with OKC), then it makes sense to deal.

Raptors will be complete idiots if they don't deal. They already have experience that having the best record in a conference is not enough to get to the next level. They got no choice. Who else is out there anyway?

[LkrFan]

He wipes his IG every summer. Did it the last two Summers too.

John Clawd Van Damn :lol

[Vic Petro]

Another guard

I don’t know Nwaba well and can’t vouch for him as a good player. But it’s July 13. The roster is not set. If you have an opportunity to get a good player, get him.

[SAGirl]

I don't think anything happens until teams see him on the floor at USA camp. Gives them a chance to remember who and what he can do...
I suspect he's not going to show up. He has skipped team USA practices before.

However, if he is healthy enough to play he would do well to show it for his own personal profit.

[LkrFan]

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You farmers need to apologize to KiwiPERIOD. :lol

[SAGirl]

Doesn't make sense for the Raptors? They've realize that they've run out of rope! If it gets them a spot at the finals and a chance to re-sign Leonard (like Paul did with OKC), then it makes sense to deal.

Raptors will be complete idiots if they don't deal. They already have experience that having the best record in a conference is not enough to get to the next level. They got no choice. Who else is out there anyway?
So what? Right now they are a playoff team. Next season Kawhi starts malingering with his leg bc he does not want to be there and wants to be traded by the deadline. They lose Kawhi, the pick and OG. No way. Can you trust uncle Dennis? Can you trust that leg is going to be fine? Can you trust that you can recruit him to stay?

[MaNu4Tres]

I have thought about this and it doesn't make sense for the Raptors unless they get to keep Kawhi to give up their best young talent and picks, bc they would lose those assets on top of Leonard. I don't expect the trade to be that rich.

We may criticize Derozan but he has been a franchise player... I am not sure Raptors would feel that they need to attach rebuilding pieces that they will need for themselves when Kawhi walks. If am the Raptors I don't do this deal.

If Kawhi leaves in a year, they get to cap space much quicker to revamp their team. DeRozan would be off their books completely as soon as next summer. Worse case scenario if Kawhi leaves, is giving up OG worth shedding DeRozans 3 years remaining? For a team rebuilding, I think so.

[SAGirl]

No, DeMar has been much worse. I've seen nearly every single Toronto for the last 5 years, I live here and I'm telling you man while I'm not thrilled about either player with a gun to my head I take Lowry every day of the week. Even if Lowry isn't shooting well, he is 100 times the playmaker DeRozan is and a better defender (not that Lowry is a great defender but DeMar mails it in on that end every time). Lowry is also a MUCH better outside shooter than DeRozan and is on a much friendlier contract. DeRozan has one of the worst contracts in the league.

Spurs desperately and I mean DESPERATELY need a playmaker and outside shooter. Lowry does both.

DeMar when his shot isn't falling is absolutely awful. Again, DeMar was BENCHED completely in the ENTIRE fourth quarters of multiple playoff games. That's never happened with Lowry. DeMar and LMA would be an awful awful fit.

I understand the Spurs are going to get screwed either way in a Kawhi trade but if they can get Lowry and OG (who has TREMENDOUS upside and will be an elite defender in this league hands down) I would be much happier. I'm not even the biggest Lowry fan, but without hesitation would I take Lowry over Demar.
Good points... I do wonder then if the deal is for Lowry...

[SAGirl]

If Kawhi leaves in a year, they get to cap space much quicker to revamp their team. DeRozan would be off their books completely as soon as next summer. Worse case scenario if Kawhi leaves, is giving up OG worth shedding DeRozans 3 years remaining? For a team rebuilding, I think so.
I am not convinced tbh.

[Spurs9]

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'Dont trade me to the Raptors!"
:lol

[SAGirl]

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'Dont trade me to the Raptors!"
:lol
Translation: he's going to continue to be a cancer to whatever franchise rents him knowing he doesn't want to be there.

[RsxPiimp]

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'Dont trade me to the Raptors!"
:lol
josh hart + deng. final
offer

:lmao

[Dex]

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'Dont trade me to the Raptors!"
:lol

Well, he can go ahead and fuck off, then. It's not his decision since his fickle ass signed a contract.

[blizz]

Lol it’s not up to him if he’s a rental. Like he has a say in that. GTFO with “I’m not interested in”. Fuck that little bitch.

[SAGirl]

Spurs interested in Nwaba. 6'4 undrafted SG out of Cal Poly in 2016.


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I like him, probably would have been a better addition than Forbes. I doubt he makes it to the Spurs though. He's looking to get paid.

[Killakobe81]

If Kawhi leaves in a year, they get to cap space much quicker to revamp their team. DeRozan would be off their books completely as soon as next summer. Worse case scenario if Kawhi leaves, is giving up OG worth shedding DeRozans 3 years remaining? For a team rebuilding, I think so.

The Raptors won the most games in the East and sure they ain't winning shit as built but not sure why they would trade for a rental if they can at least get assurance he is open to a possible opt in of one year, sure. Otherwise seems like a dumb gamble. But of the destinations east much rather he go to Raptors...

[iGetbuckets]

Trade this fucking faggot yo I’m sick of this shit

[Leetonidas]

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You farmers need to apologize to KiwiPERIOD. :lol


Thomas actually had surgery and was legit injured. Kawhitter was bleeding from his pussy over a sore thigh that didn't require any procedure. He's just soft

[Mugen]

crofl, yes please keep being a faggot Kawhi. Pop and RC need every incentive to make sure this piece of shit doesn't get what he wants without taking a severe hit.

[Mugen]

As long as we don't get the Lakers trash back (Kuzma is legit one of the biggest faggots in the league), I'm good with whatever happens.

[baseline bum]

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'Dont trade me to the Raptors!"
:lol

Time to tell him to fucking report to Spurs training camp then. And after finishing training camp put him on injured reserve for the season.

[Gino20]

Kawhi and his group were thinking of holding a press conference? :rollin

I would really love to see that. To me, it sounds like Kawhi and his group are getting scared about the plan backfiring. :lmao

[Ice009]

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'Dont trade me to the Raptors!"
:lol

This is pissing me off. If Kawhi is torpedoing his trade value, and the Spurs can't get nothing, I'll put a bullet in his head myself.

The fuckwit is going to have to play out his contract and leave.

And fuck Cris Carter, I'll put a knife straight through that guy. I'd rather it be more personal. No bullets for him.

[JPB]

Sure, but now players...seen how they did IT.
May not matter since they can trade for what they need... But damn, is he a cautionary tale for Kawhi and others not to play through injury.

Worst thing that could happen to NBA. Now every player breaking a nail will bring IT as a reason to sit out the season in a contract year.

[Keepin' it real]

He traded yet?

[Mugen]

This is pissing me off. If Kawhi is torpedoing his trade value, and the Spurs can't get nothing, I'll put a bullet in his head myself.

The fuckwit is going to have to play out his contract and leave.

And fuck Cris Carter, I'll put a knife straight through that guy. I'd rather it be more personal. No bullets for him.

:lol Ice, my dude. It's friday, take a breath and enjoy the weekend. He'll get his tbh.

[baseline bum]

Sure, but now players...seen how they did IT.
May not matter since they can trade for what they need... But damn, is he a cautionary tale for Kawhi and others not to play through injury.

The Spurs ceded control to his group in August 2017, they didn't try to make him play through shit. Now it looks like they really fucked up letting Leonard's group have control, they gave an inch and he took a mile. The players got sick of that faggot setting dates he was going to be back and then never showing up.

[Dverde]

The Raptors are a good situation for him. His team is too stupid to realize it. Great for building the brand. Get to Finals in the East.

[JPB]

Sad news for Isaiah. This guy was scheduled to make hundreds of millions. Hope he recovers though

He'll still make more in one year playing a kid game than 99% of all people in their whole life, so no need to feel sad for him tbh, he'll survive in big villa instead of a ginormous one, that's all.

[Spur|n|Austin]

This is pissing me off. If Kawhi is torpedoing his trade value, and the Spurs can't get nothing, I'll put a bullet in his head myself.

The fuckwit is going to have to play out his contract and leave.

And fuck Cris Carter, I'll put a knife straight through that guy. I'd rather it be more personal. No bullets for him.

:lol :lol

[baseline bum]

Well this is playing out exactly like I told everyone it would months ago. That he would try to force a trade to LA and LA only and the Spurs would never get shit in trade. Spurs might as well suspend the motherfucker and let him waste a second year of his prime, because they are not getting any kind of decent asset in trade. No way Toronto doesn't run like hell from this trade now. Burn that motherfucker to the ground.

[Dverde]

As much I disliked David Stern toward the end, he would have put an end to Kwahi’s group circus bullshit.

[TheDoctor]

The Waiting Game tactic’s crumbling the Mute’s group tbh.

[JPB]

AK.

[spurschamps99030507]

This is pissing me off. If Kawhi is torpedoing his trade value, and the Spurs can't get nothing, I'll put a bullet in his head myself.

The fuckwit is going to have to play out his contract and leave.

And fuck Cris Carter, I'll put a knife straight through that guy. I'd rather it be more personal. No bullets for him.

the rat and his uncle dennis are desperate, they are using this faggot .... this proves that Pop and Rc are doing the right thing, force him to show up in the training camp

[CGD]

I have thought about this and it doesn't make sense for the Raptors unless they get to keep Kawhi to give up their best young talent and picks, bc they would lose those assets on top of Leonard. I don't expect the trade to be that rich.

We may criticize Derozan but he has been a franchise player... I am not sure Raptors would feel that they need to attach rebuilding pieces that they will need for themselves when Kawhi walks. If am the Raptors I don't do this deal.

I actually think it makes plenty of sense for the Raptors. They have a steep luxury tax bill this and next year, and really have grown tired of their underperforming core. Sending them Danny with Leoanrd would essentially save them the entire 16M luxury tax payment they’re on track to make next year.

They’ve probably looking to move on from DeRozen for some time now, so even if Leonard bolts (not a sure thing) it’s a bit of a wash for them. OG and the pick are probably the cost of shedding salary any way. Just look a tough what the Nugs just did.

[Mugen]

Well this is playing out exactly like I told everyone it would months ago. That he would try to force a trade to LA and LA only and the Spurs would never get shit in trade. Spurs might as well suspend the motherfucker and let him waste a second year of his prime, because they are not getting any kind of decent asset in trade. No way Toronto doesn't run like hell from this trade now. Burn that motherfucker to the ground.

:lol Yup, make that fucker squirm. He can sit out 2 years of his prime and take a significant paycut then he can do whatever he wants. But that faggot needs to pay his dues.

[Ron Swanson]

If Kawhi and his group want to fuck up any trade to a team other than the Lakers, he can report to training camp. Fuck giving in to their bullshit.

[Vic Petro]

What to do if you’re both a Spurs and Vikings fan :depressed

[Dverde]

Toronto still frees up tons of cap space if Kawhi leaves and Green’s last year expires. Probably sell more tickets too. Not a total loss for them.

[Old School 44]

This is pissing me off. If Kawhi is torpedoing his trade value, and the Spurs can't get nothing, I'll put a bullet in his head myself.

The fuckwit is going to have to play out his contract and leave.

And fuck Cris Carter, I'll put a knife straight through that guy. I'd rather it be more personal. No bullets for him.

You should use a spoon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhfuuKiTcYQ

[iGetbuckets]

What to do if you’re both a Spurs and Vikings fan :depressed

Fuck Carter’s bitch ass tbh

Dudes a clown

[baseline bum]

It's unfortunate the owners can't opt out of the current CBA until 2022. Because now we have established precedent that it's ok for players with multiple years left on their contracts to hold out for a trade to a larger market. How does this look to small market owners who shell out guaranteed money and players can still refuse to show up to their teams? If this happens to the Spurs after winning 61 games and making the WCF how would this not happen to other small market franchises? If this kind of bullshit is allowed the owners are going to push hard for an NFL style CBA with one way contracts and a hard cap, and there will likely be no 2022-23 season.

[Killakobe81]

The Spurs ceded control to his group in August 2017, they didn't try to make him play through shit. Now it looks like they really fucked up letting Leonard's group have control, they gave an inch and he took a mile. The players got sick of that faggot setting dates he was going to be back and then never showing up.

I'm not blaming SA...but as many have said players and agents now have an example to point to of why u don't play hurt in a contract year.

[Spurs da champs]

It's unfortunate the owners can't opt out of the current CBA until 2022. Because now we have established precedent that it's ok for players with multiple years left on their contracts to hold out for a trade to a larger market. How does this look to small market owners who shell out guaranteed money and players can still refuse to show up to their teams? If this happens to the Spurs after winning 61 games and making the WCF how would this not happen to other small market franchises? If this kind of bullshit is allowed the owners are going to push hard for an NFL style CBA with one way contracts and a hard cap, and there will likely be no 2022-23 season.
Couldn't agree more.

[Mugen]

:lol people bringing up IT as some sort of cautionary tale (not surprising it's dumbfuck Laker fans), when Kawhi went to 10 doctors before he found one that said he should sit out.....

[baseline bum]

:lol people bringing up IT as some sort of cautionary tale (not surprising it's dumbfuck Laker fans), when Kawhi went to 10 doctors before he found one that said he should sit out.....

:lol

[Ron Swanson]

He's not hurt. His group said he's 100%. If they cannot find an acceptable trade offer, he can report to training camp and play out the season.

[boutons_deux]

Well this is playing out exactly like I told everyone it would months ago. That he would try to force a trade to LA and LA only and the Spurs would never get shit in trade. Spurs might as well suspend the motherfucker and let him waste a second year of his prime, because they are not getting any kind of decent asset in trade. No way Toronto doesn't run like hell from this trade now. Burn that motherfucker to the ground.

yep, Spurs own him.

If need be, let him sit out his contract, or

until the Spurs get an offer they can't refuse,

anytime before the All Star Game.

Spurs have the advantage.

Spurs don't have a reason to "be nice" to KL.

"It's A Business"

[Mugen]

Boogie got hurt last year and lost a 100mil, maybe guys shouldn't play at all during a contract year whether they're healthy or not :lol

How fucking stupid do you have to be think these situations are similar