Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[szkorhetz]

Pop knows KL's carriers is going downhill.

[FkLA]

Not watching the presser but Pop has probably been up all night working out the details. Of course he's drained.

[timtonymanu]

That question about how difficult this offseason has been for Pop. Who fucking asked that stupid ass question

I mean shit zero questions about Danny who is an all time Spur. These guys don’t do their fucking work. And Pop is very patient compared to usual.

[timtonymanu]

Not watching the presser but Pop has probably been up all night working out the details. Of course he's drained.

Their horrible questions aren’t helping right now

[spurraider21]

pop not giving a whole lot in the interview so far. gonna turn it off and read a summary later. but he's not going all scorched-earth or anything.

[BillMc]

Where can we stream the press conference?

[Mugen]

Pop handling it like a boss tbh.

[FkLA]

pop not giving a whole lot in the interview so far. gonna turn it off and read a summary later. but he's not going all scorched-earth or anything.

And we shouldn't expect him to. He's a pro, not an amateur. There should be plenty of leaks from guys like Wright eventually.

[BatManu20]

Lol at Pop not knowing Manu's contract status

[ducks]

https://news4sanantonio.com/watch

[Spur|n|Austin]

Pop on Manu :lol

[ducks]

Lol at Pop not knowing Manu's contract status
he is playing with media

[Mugen]

crofl that faggot Jabari doing damage control

[YGWHI]

610 pages? I agree with Pop, it's time to move on...

Kawhi is with the Raptors now and this is a Spurs' forum. Just keep talking about this team.

(Not tholdren, I won't change my avi...:lol I can keep it and still root for the Spurs this new season)

[Trainwreck2100]

eat shit jabari

[marinoman]

So apo was right the whole time.
Hope he enjoys the Raptors forum

[daslicer]

Wow. I've completely changed my outlook on the doubling down on Pau and Mills instead of Jon and Dedmon now. Sure, they were better than those guys, but you can't talk shit to your teammates and expect to get what you want.

Especially Jon. He might not even be in the NBA and struggling to feed his kids if it wasn't for the Spurs supporting him.

Cancers...cancers everywhere.

Yup this is the reason why I don't have respect for guys like Jax. They have sense of entitlement and have proven records of not being team players and being toxic teammates.

[BatManu20]

crofl that faggot Jabari doing damage control


:lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

"this is like the end of they year deal i never did, sorry"

That's some heavy stuff from Pop

[NASpurs]

crofl that faggot Jabari doing damage control

Next question: "why couldn't you trade him to Philly?"

[Killakobe81]

Pop is being smart.
All the love he is showing Kawhi, Tony, Kyle is part class ...
But also great PR move.

[BatManu20]

Timmy :cry

[NASpurs]

OH shit here goes Pop with his politics and views. Couldn't resist. :lol

[szkorhetz]

"More talented core than last year."
That's it.

[BatManu20]

Lol Pop getting in a few digs at Trump per par

[MoSpur02]

I'm trying to watch, but can't really hear the questions from reporters. Is Jabari asking questions?

[Ron Swanson]

There are currently 2235 users online (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/online.php). (315 members and 1920 guests)

lol


What’s up, jotos?

[baseline bum]

Just stop it.... if you think SA was rough... let's see him handle the media scrutiny in NY, LA or Chicago and he was protected. Just because some frustration got out doesn't change the fact that the Spurs could have made it a lot more uncomfortable. They gave him the necessary space to handle his business and the thanks they got is a trade request.

Furthermore, I'm not making your point. Yes, we lost a franchise player but it doesn't make the Spurs reputation look bad, which was the crux of your argument. Everyone in the league knows the situation regarding the uncle and we will see how Kawhi's career goes from here after leaving the best organization in sports.

The LA media is soft outside Plaschke with the LA Times. Now the New York media would have crucified him for his faggotry.

[RD2191]

Turned it off. Pop is too classy to go off on Kawhi and his faggot group.

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lol Trump mention

[Amuseddaysleeper]

crofl that faggot Jabari doing damage control

:lol what did Jabari say

[ducks]

:lol Trump mention


ALSO SAID IT WAS NOT THE FORUM TO SAY ANTYHING


ABOUT FUCKING TIME POP

[Pavlov]

Mildly surprised Pop didn't go to Vegas. Maybe didn't want people asking him about KL the whole time.

[Pavlov]

ALSO SAID IT WAS NOT THE FORUM TO SAY ANTYHING


ABOUT FUCKING TIME POPlol meltdown

[marinoman]

Pop comparing white to manu, odd

[Mugen]

Pop comparing white to manu, odd

that was Walker, not Whit

[Joseph Kony]

ALSO SAID IT WAS NOT THE FORUM TO SAY ANTYHING


ABOUT FUCKING TIME POP

this isnt the forum to discuss politics either yet your retarded ass is also spewing bullshit. take your own advice dumbfuck

[marinoman]

that was Walker, not Whit
My bad

[NASpurs]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24128608/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-trade-spurs-raptors-nba

"Philadelphia's potential package of Robert Covington, Dario Saric, and the Heat's unprotected 2021 pick didn't move the needle. It's unclear if the Spurs had interest in Markelle Fultz; the two sides never discussed him seriously, and the Sixers would not have parted with him, sources say. The Spurs made it clear any deal with Philly would require Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid (likely Simmons), and the Sixers weren't going anywhere near that, league sources say."

[ducks]

spurs cut green 2 times and now traded him

[Hoops Czar]

Pop comparing white to manu, odd
He compared Forbes to Curry. Early signs of dementia, tbh. He's coaching more and more like Sloan too.

[offset formation]

Pop looks like he's ready to throw back a couple bottles of wine tonight. Looks stressed and tired as fuck. Been a rough few months for him...

Yeah, I think he's emotionally spent right now. Fuck Kawhi, tbtfh.

[Killakobe81]

great pressor.
He was funny, humble and praised his guys.
I dont like a lot of you bastards on here but Pop is one of the best to ever do it.
Love that guy. Class.
And if Pop can be as gracious as he was with the media today tells me the way he acts with sideline reporters is part schtick and part he feels its dumb he is asked to do that during a game.
HE sounded like the coolest grandpa ever.

[SpursDynasty85]

Pop is being smart.
All the love he is showing Kawhi, Tony, Kyle is part class ...
But also great PR move.

Honestly most signs point to the uncle. Pop I'm sure really does care about Kawhi and does appreciate what Kawhi brought. Kawhi is loyal to his family. Dude saw father get murdered in cold blood in highschool. I can't fault him too much but I always wish the best for people and sometimes being put down to earth (uncle and his crew) is what is best.

[RD2191]

great pressor.
He was funny, humble and praised his guys.
I dont like a lot of you bastards on here but Pop is one of the best to ever do it.
Love that guy. Class.
And if Pop can be as gracious as he was with the media today tells me the way he acts with sideline reporters is part schtick and part he feels its dumb he is asked to do that during a game.
HE sounded like the coolest grandpa ever.

:jack:jack

[Mugen]

great pressor.
He was funny, humble and praised his guys.
I dont like a lot of you bastards on here but Pop is one of the best to ever do it.
Love that guy. Class.
And if Pop can be as gracious as he was with the media today tells me the way he acts with sideline reporters is part schtick and part he feels its dumb he is asked to do that during a game.
HE sounded like the coolest grandpa ever.

Aww thanks for the kind words Killa, now go fuck yourself :lol

[noles1983]

this isnt the forum to discuss politics either yet your retarded ass is also spewing bullshit. take your own advice dumbfuck

[SAGirl]

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At least they won't have troubles scoring.
Also, have to remember Kawhi was going to sit out of walk anyways for nothing.

[ducks]

my grandpa loved the usa and never bashed a sitting president in office
was in the military airfare
respected the office did not agree with the guys views some but respected the president

[ducks]

At least they won't have troubles scoring.
Also, have to remember Kawhi was going to sit out of walk anyways for nothing.

yeah the only thing spurs would have gained was 20 million

[San Antonio Slayer]

please share the ref for the presser guys, I missed it live

[baseline bum]

crofl that faggot Jabari doing damage control

What did he ask?

[BillMc]

please share the ref for the presser guys, I missed it live

Seconded.

[spurraider21]

my grandpa loved the usa and never bashed a sitting president in office
was in the military airfare
respected the office did not agree with the guys views some but respected the president
yeah you respected the shit out of barry

[Mugen]

What did he ask?

Something about asking pop to comment on the reports that Kawhi was a bad teammate. What's Pop going to say so? Of course he went with the classy route and I'm sure Jabroni will tweet that out shortly

[Trill Clinton]

my grandpa loved the usa and never bashed a sitting president in office
was in the military airfare
respected the office did not agree with the guys views some but respected the president

Fuck Trump's treasonous ass

[rascal]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24128608/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-trade-spurs-raptors-nba

"Philadelphia's potential package of Robert Covington, Dario Saric, and the Heat's unprotected 2021 pick didn't move the needle. It's unclear if the Spurs had interest in Markelle Fultz; the two sides never discussed him seriously, and the Sixers would not have parted with him, sources say. The Spurs made it clear any deal with Philly would require Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid (likely Simmons), and the Sixers weren't going anywhere near that, league sources say."

Phil offered Saric, Covington and the Miami 2021 pick so most likely had the Spurs asked for Phil's number 10 pick on draft night with Saric and Covington that trade goes through and that would have been a better deal for the Spurs than the trade with Toronto.

[spurraider21]

i wonder if the spurs preferred to move green over patty, or if toronto simply didnt want him

[ducks]

Just wrapped 22 minutes of Pop, discussing Kawhi and other off-season developments. Main takeaway on today's news: Spurs uninterested in participating in public mudslinging, will wish Kawhi well and move forward.

[ducks]

i wonder if the spurs preferred to move green over patty, or if toronto simply didnt want him
raps want to rebuild if leonard leaves mills contract is to long

[BatManu20]

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[slick'81]

Phil offered Saric, Covington and the Miami 2021 pick so most likely had the Spurs asked for Phil's number 10 pick on draft night with Saric and Covington that trade goes through and that would have been a better deal for the Spurs than the trade with Toronto.


Bb but we got poeltl :lobt2:

[ducks]

Phil offered Saric, Covington and the Miami 2021 pick so most likely had the Spurs asked for Phil's number 10 pick on draft night with Saric and Covington that trade goes through and that would have been a better deal for the Spurs than the trade with Toronto.

spurs got a guaranteed allstar
and a 9 pick in 2016 played very well as a backup only 22

[Mugen]

Not much to note from the presser tbh. My takeaways:

-Pop seemed understandably spent. He kept bringing up the not dwelling on the past and how it's been a rough offseason for him. Can't imagine tbh.
-I think Manu will be retiring soon. Pop mentioned that he was joking around with Manu saying you can be playing ball forever, makes me think that Kawhi is leaning towards retirement as expected.
-Kept mentioning Bryn which was probably the most depressing part of the interview
-Spoke highly of Dejounte and that he's the PG of the team. Makes me think that the roster is pretty much baked which is very unfortunate tbh.

[offset formation]

great pressor.
He was funny, humble and praised his guys.
I dont like a lot of you bastards on here but Pop is one of the best to ever do it.
Love that guy. Class.
And if Pop can be as gracious as he was with the media today tells me the way he acts with sideline reporters is part schtick and part he feels its dumb he is asked to do that during a game.
HE sounded like the coolest grandpa ever.

I hope I'm one of those bastards, tbh.

:bobo

[Keepin' it real]

Phil offered Saric, Covington and the Miami 2021 pick so most likely had the Spurs asked for Phil's number 10 pick on draft night with Saric and Covington that trade goes through and that would have been a better deal for the Spurs than the trade with Toronto.

Hindsight is a hell of a thing.

[Proxy]

when Pop said "kawhi just wants to play basketball, doesn't care about the money" I thought, "Kawhi is autistic and has no idea what's going on, we couldn't deal with the family"

Pop is all class though, good to see him in an interview with all that's transpired

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs go from DPOY candidate to a guy with a -1.76 DRPM. :lol

[SAGirl]

That James Greene guy who mentioned uncle Dennis wanting a front office job is going in on J Simms and Dedmon in the replies.
Wow that guy is really really sourpiss. I understand the anger at Kawhi but JSimms? Simmons was laughing his was off.

[BatManu20]

Raptors fans celebrating like it's 1999 over at RealGM. Not only because they fleeced the Spurs and got Kawhi without giving up any of their young wing prospects, but because, "Can't believe we were able to dump DeRozan's awful contract onto somebody."


#blessed :lol

[rascal]

Hindsight is a hell of a thing.

Not hindsight. On draft night I wanted them to make a trade with Phil or Cleveland to land their lottery pick.

[daslicer]

Not much to note from the presser tbh. My takeaways:

-Pop seemed understandably spent. He kept bringing up the not dwelling on the past and how it's been a rough offseason for him. Can't imagine tbh.
-I think Manu will be retiring soon. Pop mentioned that he was joking around with Manu saying you can be playing ball forever, makes me think that Kawhi is leaning towards retirement as expected.
-Kept mentioning Bryn which was probably the most depressing part of the interview
-Spoke highly of Dejounte and that he's the PG of the team. Makes me think that the roster is pretty much baked which is very unfortunate tbh.

:lol I hope so.

[offset formation]

Not much to note from the presser tbh. My takeaways:

-Pop seemed understandably spent. He kept bringing up the not dwelling on the past and how it's been a rough offseason for him. Can't imagine tbh.
-I think Manu will be retiring soon. Pop mentioned that he was joking around with Manu saying you can be playing ball forever, makes me think that Kawhi is leaning towards retirement as expected.
-Kept mentioning Bryn which was probably the most depressing part of the interview
-Spoke highly of Dejounte and that he's the PG of the team. Makes me think that the roster is pretty much baked which is very unfortunate tbh.

Not sure though. He kinda directed that question toward RC at the end. Thinking if they were completely done, Pop would have just stated something to the effect of, yeah we think we have a good group of guys and we'll see how we gel. We're ready to go with what we have now...sort of thing.

[slick'81]

Raptors fans celebrating like it's 1999 over at RealGM. Not only because they fleeced the Spurs and got Kawhi without giving up any of their young wing prospects, but because, "Can't believe we were able to dump DeRozan's awful contract onto somebody."


#blessed :lol


theyre obviously thrilled getting rid of poeltl :wow

[ducks]

Not hindsight. On draft night I wanted them to make a trade with Phil or Cleveland to land their lottery pick.

because that pick was a guarantee all star in 5 years:downspin:

[rjv]

great pressor.
He was funny, humble and praised his guys.
I dont like a lot of you bastards on here but Pop is one of the best to ever do it.
Love that guy. Class.
And if Pop can be as gracious as he was with the media today tells me the way he acts with sideline reporters is part schtick and part he feels its dumb he is asked to do that during a game.
HE sounded like the coolest grandpa ever.

ironic that the best quote i've ever seen about pop in ST comes from a laker fan.

[spurraider21]

theyre obviously thrilled getting rid of poeltl :wow
as opposed to OG and Siakam? i'm sure.

[SAGirl]

Wow. I've completely changed my outlook on the doubling down on Pau and Mills instead of Jon and Dedmon now. Sure, they were better than those guys, but you can't talk shit to your teammates and expect to get what you want.

Especially Jon. He might not even be in the NBA and struggling to feed his kids if it wasn't for the Spurs supporting him.

Cancers...cancers everywhere.
You are going to believe JSimmons talked shit to his teammates from a tweeter troll? dude wouldn't have had his second season picked up if that was true. He never had a reputation for locker room cancer behavior. He has his issues with PATFO though. And I am not the biggest JSimms fan as you know, but he was a good teammate as far as I know and Pop loved the guy. When he visited the Spurs they made a big deal out of it.

Now Dedmon, I really don't know tbh

[spurraider21]

honestly can't wait for kawhi's introductory presser in toronto :lol

[marinoman]

Are we done trading this offseason? Don’t want pau or patty.

pau, patty and a first for Butler

[HarlemHeat37]

theyre obviously thrilled getting rid of poeltl :wow

Poetl was well-liked, but virtually every Raptors fan I know thought they would lose either OG or Siakam..

[NASpurs]

I'm just glad I can now delete the Twitter app and stop hearing that fucking notification sound.

[monkeypunk]

my grandpa loved the usa and never bashed a sitting president in office
was in the military airfare
respected the office did not agree with the guys views some but respected the president


Fuck Trump's treasonous ass

[spurraider21]

:lmao

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[SAGirl]

WTF is that faggot JSimms laughing about?
At the Spurs troll that went nuts on him. It's probably ridiculous

[RD2191]

:lmao

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Eat shit faggot :lmao

[RD2191]

At the Spurs troll that went nuts on him. It's probably ridiculous

The truth isn't trolling.

[NASpurs]

:lmao

1019651096426340352

Enjoy your igloo enclosure, you dumb motherfucker. :lol

[BatManu20]

:lmao

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Nice going dumbass. Hope you get frostbite on your dick, tbh.

[noles1983]

:lmao

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Kawhi and his uncle this coming winter

https://media.giphy.com/media/PEKztVNo5AMyk/giphy.gif

[Gordy58]

Siakam and OG are overrated anyways ��

[TimDunkem]

You are going to believe JSimmons talked shit to his teammates from a tweeter troll? dude wouldn't have had his second season picked up if that was true. He never had a reputation for locker room cancer behavior. He has his issues with PATFO though. And I am not the biggest JSimms fan as you know, but he was a good teammate as far as I know and Pop loved the guy. When he visited the Spurs they made a big deal out of it.

Now Dedmon, I really don't know tbh

Yes because possible cancerous behavior was only limited to his first season and it was totally impossible for him to have started acting out later on...What?

[TimDunkem]

Weird that SAGirl would take Jon's side on this. Sour grapes because bigheaded bf was let go?

[Spurs da champs]

Weird that SAGirl would take Jon's side on this. Sour grapes because bigheaded bf was let go?

:lmao

[YGWHI]

I'm just glad I can now delete the Twitter app and stop hearing that fucking notification sound.

:tu

My girl thought I was cheating on her because I was checking my phone last three weeks like a crazy man... :lol

[spursistan]

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[YGWHI]

Weird that SAGirl would take Jon's side on this. Sour grapes because bigheaded bf was let go?

No. Just your takes about Simms being a cancer-locker room without more than a tweet from a random guy, is stupid.

[ducks]

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Spurs wanted a bona fide All Star in return. Said on my SXM show yesterday he was going to Toronto for DeRozan.

[baseline bum]

:lmao

1019651096426340352

:rollin

[TimDunkem]

No. Just your takes about Simms being a cancer-locker room without more than a stupid tweet from a random guy, is stupid.

SAGirl discusses rumors based around tweets all the time. Can't have it both ways just because your boys were traded/let go and you're upset.

[SAGirl]

The truth isn't trolling.
:lol what truth? That he talked shut to teammates? Nicca pls... making stuff up now...

[SAGirl]

SAGirl discusses rumora based around tweets all the time. Can't have it both ways just because your boys were traded/let go and you're upset.
I mean the guy was obviously trolling and JSimms laughed his ass off...

[spursistan]

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Seriously good riddance to this faggot..:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol what truth? That he talked shut to teammates? Nicca pls... making stuff up now...

https://media.tenor.com/images/bf1487ecd691d7af8255732371ffbd6e/tenor.gif

[SAGirl]

Weird that SAGirl would take Jon's side on this. Sour grapes because bigheaded bf was let go?
Nah. Just making stuff up about other former Spurs bc Kiwi turned out rotten isn't cool.

[cool cat]

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Unless his Uncle unlocks the door he never gets to leave the room, he just sits there playing his DuckTales Tiger Electronic game all day.

[SAGirl]

https://media.tenor.com/images/bf1487ecd691d7af8255732371ffbd6e/tenor.gif
Is that Bill Cosby tbh?

[TimDunkem]

I mean the guy was obviously trolling and JSimms laughed his ass off...

Oh now Jon's emojis clears the air around the rumors of cancerous behavior from a guy who was just seen hanging with Kawancer the other night and is obviously on his side against PATFO. Gotcha.

[SAGirl]

No. Just your takes about Simms being a cancer-locker room without more than a tweet from a random guy, is stupid.
This :tu

[YGWHI]

SAGirl discusses rumors based around tweets all the time.

I guess "around tweets" from NBA reporters on Twitter not just a radom guy who knows shit.

[TimDunkem]

Nah. Just making stuff up about other former Spurs bc Kiwi turned out rotten isn't cool.

Kawhi is rotten, Jon is clearly close with him, and clearly on his side. These rumors obviously have no weight, right? Because of emojis and because you never heard anything until now right? They totally make no sense! :rolleyes

[spurraider21]

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Seriously good riddance to this faggot..:lol
at least we squeezed a championship out of the guy before he stopped caring about winning

[Killakobe81]

Ric Bucher
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Ric Bucher Retweeted Matt Yano
Spurs wanted a bona fide All Star in return. Said on my SXM show yesterday he was going to Toronto for DeRozan.

he has been notoriously bad with predictions recently but he got this one right.
As did a few ST posters ...and vegas.
That tells me vegas had some inside info and not to gamble vs those pendejos.

[HarlemHeat37]

Toronto weather isn't that bad, tbh, but I guess it would be if you're from Cali:lol

The good thing for Kawhi is that the media here won't put any pressure on him or ask questions, they're just as soft as they are in SA towards basketball..if he played for the Leafs, that would be a different story:lol

[TimDunkem]

I guess "around tweets" from NBA reporters on Twitter not just a radom guy who knows shit.

Those reporters do nothing but report what they hear from their sources. We saw all throughout this fiasco that those sources are often full of shit too. In the end, all your doing most of the time is discussing something leaked by some random. Who is to say this guy isn't connected? He sure has dropped some interesting info lately. Maybe it's bs, but it all makes so much sense.

I'm sure though that if that guy was bringing up nothing but great things about Kawhi you would be all in on everything he's saying. Fucking shameless.

[YGWHI]

Oh now Jon's emojis clears the air around the rumors of cancerous behavior from a guy who was just seen hanging with Kawancer the other night and is obviously on his side against PATFO. Gotcha.

Being a Kawhi's friend or being in his side, doesn't mean he's "against PATFO"...Now, will we slander every Kawhi's related?

Damn...Stop acting like a butt hurt fan.

[MannyIsGod]

Do we get to ship off Jabri to Toronto too? Fuck that dude.

[YGWHI]

I'm sure though that if that guy was bringing up nothing but great things about Kawhi you would be all in on everything he's saying. Fucking shameless.

In three years, I never posted on ST tweets from randoms guys about Kawhi. Stop lying.

[TimDunkem]

Being a Kawhi's friend or being in his side, doesn't mean he's "against PATFO"...Now, will we slander every Kawhi's related?

Damn...Stop acting like a butt hurt fan.

We already knew that Jon wanted more playing time. You really think its a stretch that he acted out before? That's ridiculous.

Also, stop projecting. You're clearly the one hurt about losing the autistic mute.

[TimDunkem]

In three years, I never posted on ST tweets from randoms guys about Kawhi. Stop lying.

You know damn well if this guy was on Kawhi's side, you would have no problem with anything he was saying. Just stop. :lol

[YGWHI]

We already knew that Jon wanted more playing time. You really think its a stretch that he acted out before? That's ridiculous.
Again, if you think that every player in the league that wants more playing time is a "cancer"...


Also, stop rejecting. You're clearly the one hurt about losing the autistic mute.
Not really. I'm glad this ended.

It's not a secret that I think a franchise loses a lot when the team can't keep its guys, many years of development, too many expectations...

I also wish Kawhi the best wherever he plays but if you ask me, I dont really care where is that...Toronto, LA, who cares? Not me.

I just want to keep talking about the Spurs on a Spurs' forum next weeks.

[BatManu20]

:lobt2:


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[YGWHI]

.

[KDKSpurs24]

:lobt2:


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Fuck win projection.

[DesignatedT]

I'll take over 38 wins all day.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lobt2:


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Lol. That man needs a new formula.

[DAF86]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24128608/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-trade-spurs-raptors-nba

"Philadelphia's potential package of Robert Covington, Dario Saric, and the Heat's unprotected 2021 pick didn't move the needle. It's unclear if the Spurs had interest in Markelle Fultz; the two sides never discussed him seriously, and the Sixers would not have parted with him, sources say. The Spurs made it clear any deal with Philly would require Ben Simmons or Joel Embiid (likely Simmons), and the Sixers weren't going anywhere near that, league sources say."

How the fuck is that not better than the shit they got? :bang

[Mugen]

:lmao

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:lol

[DAF86]

1019651096426340352

":cry B..but the problem was with the Spurs :cry"

The only good thing about this trade was sending Kawhi to Siberia.

[daslicer]

How the fuck is that not better than the shit they got? :bang

It came down to the Spurs not willing to help create a super team for either Boston or Philly.

[Seventyniner]

:lobt2:


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Wow. Spurs over has to be the easiest money I've ever seen.

[SpursDynasty85]

How the fuck is that not better than the shit they got? :bang

It is not clearly better than the Raptors. You are underestimating Derozan. Poelt'l could be good and the draft pick is sooner than the miami one. Ultimately, I think its the fact that Raptors wanted to trade him regardless of physical or anything else. Sixers still had a lot of questions with Kawhi and his camp. Kawhi really put the Spurs in a box. Spurs have an all star, young player with potential (2016 lottery pick), and a first rounder next year. check, check, check.

[DAF86]

It came down to the Spurs not willing to help create a super team for either Boston or Philly.

Toronto will probably just trade Kawhi to LA now and help create a superteam there.

[vander]

":cry B..but the problem was with the Spurs :cry"

The only good thing about this trade was sending Kawhi to Siberia.

This, glad we sent him to the team farthest from LA. And where are those 2 posters who were saying this was spurs fault? Hopefull they have already moved on to a Toronto board, but they should be banned as well.

[DontStopBelieving]

Wow. Spurs over has to be the easiest money I've ever seen.

That’s not a betting line. It’s just his projections using his own dumbass formula

[TimDunkem]

Again, if you think that every player in the league that wants more playing time is a "cancer"...


Not really. I'm glad this ended.

It's not a secret that I think a franchise loses a lot when the team can't keep its guys, many years of development, too many expectations...

I also wish Kawhi the best wherever he plays but if you ask me, I dont really care where is that...Toronto, LA, who cares? Not me.

I just want to keep talking about the Spurs on a Spurs' forum next weeks.

I don't believe that, but I do believe that Jon possibly acted out in the way Jax did. Regardless, you're right that this is over. Time to discuss the players we have now. :toast

[daslicer]

Toronto will probably just trade Kawhi to LA now and help create a superteam there.

That could very well happen. I think most likely Kawhi plays out the year in Toronto and then signs with the Lakers next summer. He doesn't really have much leverage in this situation and it's hard to see the Raptors who are obsessed with clearing the cap be willing to take Deng's shitty contract.

[Keepin' it real]

Wow. Spurs over has to be the easiest money I've ever seen.

Not if Patty or Pau get injured.

[BackHome]

Weird that SAGirl would take Jon's side on this. Sour grapes because bigheaded bf was let go?

Get your clown ass outta here and take your ass wiping crew with ya to Toronto. :toast

Dont leave mad just leave. :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

Wow we dodged a bullet not giving him the supermax.

[coachmac87]

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Do people really think we won 47 games WITH Kawhi?

That’s the easiest bet if I have ever seen one tbh

[marinoman]

So who wants to make the goodbye thread for apo?

[BackHome]

And Daboom and. kawhishitter

[TimDunkem]

Get your clown ass outta here and take your ass wiping crew with ya to Toronto. :toast

Dont leave mad just leave. :lol

Huh? Are you fucking retarded? I was literally just arguing with the guy against Kawhi and his crew. :lol

[davidbowie]

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lol

[BD24]

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Smash the over on that. No way this team doesn’t win at least 45

[r0drig0lac]

Lol. That man needs a new formula.

[Russ]

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Kawhi hates the cold?

That's why he spent the whole winter in New York City rather than San Antonio (while all the NY media was in SA at the Final Four raving about the weather).

Let's just be honest -- no one knows shit about this guy or what he likes or doesn't like.

[LakerHater]

I dnt understand how spurs supposedly wanted EVERYTHING frm Lakers but took this crap!??

[Dex]

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Kawhi hates the cold?

That's why he spent the whole winter in New York City rather than San Antonio (while all the NY media was in SA at the Final Four raving about the weather).

Let's just be honest -- no one knows shit about this guy or what he likes or doesn't like.

I heard that he likes little boys.

[Dex]

I dnt understand how spurs supposedly wanted EVERYTHING frm Lakers but took this crap!??

Because they were never going to trade to the Lakers. They didn't want him in the West, specifically team up with Lebron in LA to form another superteam.

Sure, it may still happen next season, but it wasn't going to be by their hands. A lot can happen between then and now.

The Spurs were making requests from the Lakers that they knew they would refuse.

[ducks]

laker fan better hope he does not choice clippers..
rember reports he does not want to play with james

[RsxPiimp]

laker fan better hope he does not choice clippers..
rember reports he does not want to play with james

another reason the lakers should be commended for not trading anything of significant value for leonard.

[callo1]

Spurs win 50+ easily.

Funny how Kawhi was a "system player" according to the national media when he was a Spur, but now that he was traded, he is going to account for so much insofar as losses and wins.

Had he gone to LA today we would have to listen to this 10x from the national media.

The theme from this past year: All is Kawhiet on the Western Front.

Glad this finally came to an end. Don't wish anything bad for Kawhi, but I certainly won't root for him.

Derozan will play better defense than he has before...it is the Spursame way. He and LA will work together as well.

[dbreiden83080]

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Wait you mean he did not socialize and kept to himself. Well Fuck Me I am shocked. Stunned by this breaking news..

[Ice009]

great pressor.
He was funny, humble and praised his guys.
I dont like a lot of you bastards on here but Pop is one of the best to ever do it.
Love that guy. Class.
And if Pop can be as gracious as he was with the media today tells me the way he acts with sideline reporters is part schtick and part he feels its dumb he is asked to do that during a game.
HE sounded like the coolest grandpa ever.

I'm pretty sure a lot of posters here actually like you and most treat you with respect as far as a Lakers fan goes, don't they? Out of all the Lakers fans here, I'd say most like you, so that is interesting if you don't like most people here. Unless I've missed it (I don't go to the NBA forum much) and you get treated like shit there? Why are you posting here if you don't like most of the people here? You're not a troll like most Lakers fans here.

[LakerHater]

Gotta go find one of these shirts on millitary now

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/30716504_10155669859502476_5706948042351968256_o.j pg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=9cc321c0cc963d63cd2f6fe49bcbf727&oe=5BA85034
definatly gotta find one now!

[Splits]

Splits (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=24583) set up spurstalk.net


Dead site, it's not even registered anymore.

spurstalk.net is back bitches

[John B]

oh yeah it’s back, time for some more bitching. :lol

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Bump. Can we really let this slide to page 2 already?

[Marcus Bryant]

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Kawhi hates the cold?

That's why he spent the whole winter in New York City rather than San Antonio (while all the NY media was in SA at the Final Four raving about the weather).

Let's just be honest -- no one knows shit about this guy or what he likes or doesn't like.

:tu True. Reasonable assumptions are he wanted out of SA and to be in LA. The idea that his agent and uncle were not seeking what he wanted is a less realistic scenario. Not to mention the idea that somehow he didn't realize that he was holding out and instead was working diligently and was ready to play.

[K...]

Can we change this thread to ..."wants to be traded from the raptors?" You know it's coming....

[rjv]

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Kawhi hates the cold?

That's why he spent the whole winter in New York City rather than San Antonio (while all the NY media was in SA at the Final Four raving about the weather).

Let's just be honest -- no one knows shit about this guy or what he likes or doesn't like.

good point. although it is colder in toronto than in NY. pretty significantly too. and i didn't even know bucher was still around. i'd forgotten all about him!

[ace3g]

I know I've seen it before with other transactions but what is the legality behind waiving the physical to obtain a player?

[OldMan88]

Don’t know if nba has any rule about physicals, but with $20mm on the line, Toronto won’t be able to buy insurance on him.

[dbreiden83080]

I know I've seen it before with other transactions but what is the legality behind waiving the physical to obtain a player?

He is literally either going to be great and lead them to 60 plus wins. Or be hiding in NY with his Uncle. It is 50/50..

[ace3g]

Maybe I need to re-word my question can an NBA trade go through with a player failing a physical and/or can the physical be waived so the trade goes through?

[K...]

Maybe I need to re-word my question can an NBA trade go through with a player failing a physical and/or can the physical be waived so the trade goes through?

I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, its all just contract law

[SAGirl]

Kawhi is rotten, Jon is clearly close with him, and clearly on his side. These rumors obviously have no weight, right? Because of emojis and because you never heard anything until now right? They totally make no sense! :rolleyes
You don't have anything anywhere saying Simmons talked shit to anybody or was a bad teammate to anyone but a trolls post in JSimms Twitter account. Sauces...? :lol I don't need sources except this hasn't been heard from anyone else b4...

[K...]

If simmons and dedmon formed a cliche with KAwhi its the same as PArker and Manu wanting kawhii to carry them to a ring. They all wanted to be carried. Both simmons and dedmon left in part because the spurs would not push out manu and gasol and give the minutes away. It would not surprise me if kawhi took a side. But any wise person would see they are all blood suckers but at least, parker, manu and gasol paid their fucking dues.

[toki9]

Maybe I need to re-word my question can an NBA trade go through with a player failing a physical and/or can the physical be waived so the trade goes through?

Teams can waive the physical requirement in order to push trades through (Funnily enough, Raptors did it with Mourning trade), but I don't know if a team has ever waived the physical after a player has failed a physical. I think the Thomas/Irving trade last year was temporarily held up because the Cavs supposedly thought about voiding the trade due to failed physical on Thomas's part, but I don't think anyone confirmed that Thomas had indeed failed his physical. Subsequently it was seen as the Cavs trying to improve the terms of trade ex post facto.

Also, I don't think failing a physical in this sense is exactly like how a normal person would fail a physical. I think even if something comes up as a concern, if the team decides it was within the bounds of a trade (such as a disclosed issue when trading an injured player, etc.) the player doesn't fail a physical. Practically speaking, I think players officially fail a physical only if the team wants to void a trade and found something.

[Slippy]

So im reading, reason there was no deal with sixers was because spurs demanded min Ben or Joel.

https://www.givemesport.com/1356274-report-spurs-wouldnt-trade-kawhi-leonard-to-76ers-unless-they-received-ben-simmons-or-joel-embiid?amp

[toki9]

So im reading, reason there was no deal with sixers was because spurs demanded min Ben or Joel.

https://www.givemesport.com/1356274-report-spurs-wouldnt-trade-kawhi-leonard-to-76ers-unless-they-received-ben-simmons-or-joel-embiid?amp

I wonder if there wasn't any more to that...maybe Pop and RC actually did not want to trade Kawhi to Brett so they made outrageous demands that the Sixers fanbase would be upset about...that is, give Brett a cover for not getting Kawhi...after what they went through (and know about Kawhi and his uncle), I can't imagine Pop and RC would have wanted someone like Brett to deal with that headache, particularly given the turmoil and expectations with the Sixers...

[Slippy]

I wonder if there wasn't any more to that...maybe Pop and RC actually did not want to trade Kawhi to Brett so they made outrageous demands that the Sixers fanbase would be upset about...that is, give Brett a cover for not getting Kawhi...after what they went through (and know about Kawhi and his uncle), I can't imagine Pop and RC would have wanted someone like Brett to deal with that headache, particularly given the turmoil and expectations with the Sixers...

Could be, makes sense. Could also be spurs wanted a legit star/difference maker as part of the deal. Potential & upside wasn't good enough which would of been the case with Fultz. Another angle by keeping the demands high, Kawhi wouldn't get one of his preferances. It was reported he would consider the sixers maybe longterm aside from LA.

[SuperCam]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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[LCM]

Could be, makes sense. Could also be spurs wanted a legit star/difference maker as part of the deal. Potential & upside wasn't good enough which would of been the case with Fultz. Another angle by keeping the demands high, Kawhi wouldn't get one of his preferances. It was reported he would consider the sixers maybe longterm aside from LA.

I've also heard that Uncle Dennis has his business set up in New Jersey. Philly borders Jersey nicely. No wonder Kawhi would be agreeable to the Sixers.

[toki9]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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What a tool...both of them...

[RGMCSE]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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So these organizations are doing these players wrong somehow? What’s going on here? It’s unreal how out of touch these idiots are. Most people can’t sit out a year at work and then force there way into another department or company. That’s not real world shit. People always talking about keeping 100 but then are bitching about getting paid millions but being critizced for calling out someone’s bullshit.

[gospursgojas]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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“You probably were never in a position to sign a contract worth 200 million”

Well neither was Kawhi since it wasn’t offered, sooo.....

Also he says “then you wonder why your organization is sorry”. Spurs are the most successful organization around lol.

[toki9]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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Is Jabari actively emulating Kawhi? He's just taking potshots at the Spurs now, albeit in a passive-aggressive way by retweeting someone else's potshots... Do newspapers trade "reporters" to another country?

[gospursgojas]

Is Jabari actively emulating Kawhi? He's just taking potshots at the Spurs now, albeit in a passive-aggressive way by retweeting someone else's potshots... Do newspapers trade "reporters" to another country?

He’s prob on Impacts payroll which is fully funded by Kawhi and Uncle D’s joint Wood Forest bank account

[daslicer]

So these organizations are doing these players wrong somehow? What’s going on here? It’s unreal how out of touch these idiots are. Most people can’t sit out a year at work and then force there way into another department or company. That’s not real world shit. People always talking about keeping 100 but then are bitching about getting paid millions but being critizced for calling out someone’s bullshit.

Jax is keeping it 100 when it comes to being petty. That's what this is really about. Dude is bitter about how both of his stints ended in SA. When the Spurs have the 20 year reunion for the '03 team they should not invite Jax to the event and not honor him at all. Some will say it won't bother Jax but I think it will. Just look at how emotional Charles Oakley got when the Knicks refused to put him in their hall of fame.

[hooperflash]

Also he says “then you wonder why your organization is sorry”. Spurs are the most successful organization around lol.
Referring to the raptors on that part tbh

[sasaint]

Jax is keeping it 100 when it comes to being petty. That's what this is really about. Dude is bitter about how both of his stints ended in SA. When the Spurs have the 20 year reunion for the '03 team they should not invite Jax to the event and not honor him at all. Some will say it won't bother Jax but I think it will. Just look at how emotional Charles Oakley got when the Knicks refused to put him in their hall of fame.

You nailed it. :tu It would gnaw on Jax forever.

[MoSpur02]

Jax used to be my favorite Spur. Not anymore. He's beyond bitter. He's always taking shots at the Spurs. Dude needs to get over it and move on.

[Slippy]

I've also heard that Uncle Dennis has his business set up in New Jersey. Philly borders Jersey nicely. No wonder Kawhi would be agreeable to the Sixers.

Somebody gotta hold kawhi's hand/dick. He going to be lost without uncle. Whos going to do it for him in Canada.?

[R to the P McMurphy]

My god...I'll always love 03 captain jack...baller. But that jack video is exactly why a lot of people can't stand NBA/sports/celebrities. This POS talking like he's in a 3rd world country and corporations are taking away the food for his family and living. What a warped piece of mind he has to get so heated over that...you fucktard...ur a millionaire...so Is kawhitter, so if king James...just wish they'd all just stfu

[Pavlov]

Bump. Can we really let this slide to page 2 already?
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[J_Paco]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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Why is this bitch so bitter?!

Get over it, dude.

[cd98]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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And yet he’d sign a contract for $500,000 to play for the Spurs without a 2nd thought.

And maybe organizations have trepidations about signing players who admit they played games stoned.

[BatManu20]

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[acoelho1]

Jabari is disgruntled too. Can he fake an injury and be out the year please.

[TDomination]

Jabari is disgruntled too. Can he fake an injury and be out the year please.

i seriously would love if he left to toronto as well.

[99 Problems]

Expecting a barrage of shite to start today or tomoz from the pro Kawawa, pro kiwi to La, salty media. Just like most here it will have taken a few days to digest and for them, to work out what dribble narrative will be trotted out. Should be some :lol coming as the protests start about being dealt to Alberta :lol and the unfairness of it all F:lol

[99 Problems]

:lol

[therealtruth]

Because they were never going to trade to the Lakers. They didn't want him in the West, specifically team up with Lebron in LA to form another superteam.

Sure, it may still happen next season, but it wasn't going to be by their hands. A lot can happen between then and now.

The Spurs were making requests from the Lakers that they knew they would refuse.

That shouldn't be your priority when trading a guy to see how much you can prevent him from going to his preferred team. That's a nice to have but the first priority should be improving the team which was hard to do with Kawhi's current trade value. That's why I think the Spurs moved on to quick. Now wasn't the right time to trade.

[Fusternino]

That shouldn't be your priority when trading a guy to see how much you can prevent him from going to his preferred team. That's a nice to have but the first priority should be improving the team which was hard to do with Kawhi's current trade value. That's why I think the Spurs moved on to quick. Now wasn't the right time to trade.

Raptors and Clippers were the only teams willing to put together a serious package. I think we should've waited it out and traded with the Clippers, but PATFO I guess has a really hard rule against trading within the conference. Maybe in a year I'll be eating crow.

[offset formation]

What a tool...both of them...

[SpursDynasty85]

That shouldn't be your priority when trading a guy to see how much you can prevent him from going to his preferred team. That's a nice to have but the first priority should be improving the team which was hard to do with Kawhi's current trade value. That's why I think the Spurs moved on to quick. Now wasn't the right time to trade.

When was it then? You think the Spurs could afford to have Kawhi in training camp and playing then trading him? That would be a rebuild year. Also extremely risky because teams like the Raptors or Sixers would want him in training camp too to maximize their 1 year with him.

[Marcus Bryant]

Expecting a barrage of shite to start today or tomoz from the pro Kawawa, pro kiwi to La, salty media. Just like most here it will have taken a few days to digest and for them, to work out what dribble narrative will be trotted out. Should be some :lol coming as the protests start about being dealt to Alberta :lol and the unfairness of it all F:lol

Seems inevitable. They gotta work the angle out now that (1) his trade demand was granted and (2) he's no longer with the team who supposedly was mismanaging his medical care. Of course publicly dumping on the team who could ensure you are eligible for more money by trading you to where you want to go as opposed to walking wouldn't seem advisable.

[Marcus Bryant]

There definitely has to be some surprise on the part of Uncle D. Maybe he thought the Spurs would buckle and deal him to the Lakers or Clippers?

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm guessing it'll be along competitiveness lines, as Toronto just doesn't have what is needed to win, or some bullshit. Is Carter an investor in Impact Sports? :stirpot:

[SpursDynasty85]

look what jabari just retweeted...

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He has grown quite bitter. I remember when he said leaving the Spurs was a huge mistake for him. He couldve had at least 2 or 3 more championships. I'll just leave it at that since this is a response to the Kawhi trade. I have no doubt Teams do players wrong all the time but it doesn't mean players should do the same whenever they feel like it. Unless otherwise told by a legit source with details, I will assume Spurs do their business in the most classiest way possible.

[Marcus Bryant]

Replacing him with Turkoglu and David Robinson with Radosoft Nesterovic, also Claxton with Anthony Carter, hurt. It was downhill for Jack from there, literally on top of the basketball world nailing championship winning 3s in Game 6 of the NBA Finals to punching old people in the stands in Detroit in little more than a year later.

[venitian navigator]

The chance of be traded is part of the game and of the contracts.
What jackson is speaking about is complete anarchy...like if there were no rules, no contracts and like market/trades are not part of the system.
If you don't like the rules of nba just go in China or some other places...were there are different rules. If you are a decent player they are gonna sign you...if you want to stay in america, just try to make money outside of the nba system...there have been in the past a lot of play ground players that prefered to be legends in their neighborood instead of play in the nba. Most of them, actually, knew perfectly well that playing with the best players in the world was risky...and preferred to not put their image in danger.
The point is that the nba system in well conducted, has improved in time a has given to a lot of players the chance to earn a more than decent amount of money, at the point to live their life at the best also post the nba career.
If all players had the chance to play only where they desire (and in time however they can, just have to wait when they are in free agency staus) there will probably be only ten nba teams...but then the money would obviously be considerbly less than what is now.
The Jackson considerations about freedom of play wherever you want are silly...and more the product of spoiled persons than of logical wiew.

That said, I agree in the part and only in the part regarding falso promises like the one supposedly made to DDR...but sometimes players have to realize that till you play for a team, said team will say whatever you want to please you...just for the reason of avoiding negative reactions. Honesty and truth are not for everybody...by the way, one thing we can say is the Spurs not only have treated players in the best way possible, triyng to make their best interest health wise sometime also when it was not the best interest of the team, but also have treated players with quite total honesty, at the cost of being cruel...that's why the Spurs organization has been probably not prepared enough to be rewarded a la Kiwhi way.

[LCM]

I'm guessing it'll be along competitiveness lines, as Toronto just doesn't have what is needed to win, or some bullshit. Is Carter an investor in Impact Sports? :stirpot:

Carter's former, or current agent I'm not sure, is Frankel. Supposedly, he founded IMPACT 25 years ago according to a Forbes article in 2017. There is a PDF of the lawsuit in Florida of the agent Elfus who did KL rookie deal, his 5yr 94 million extension, deals with Jordan Brand, BBVA, and Wingstop, and how he's suing IMPACT and Frankel 5 million for money owed him for commissions he wasn't paid. If you read it, you come across Joseph and Jeff Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion and is in NY. Joseph is his son. They run IMPACT now thanks to a 10 million investment plus buying 4.7 million plus in debt and interest IMPACT owed to Cobalt Sports Capital lending.

IMPACT mainly has stuck to football players, but the contracts are not guaranteed and mainly short-term. Kawhi is the main basketball client of that agency, if not the only. The Suttons see Kawhi as their way into bringing more NBA players into their agency with longer contracts and more guaranteed money then what football provides. If you want to know why KL is no longer a Spur look no further then Uncle Dennis and Frankel's dealings with Joseph and Jeff Sutton of New York. Read the Forbes article on the investment reported on February 28th 2017

The PDF to the lawsuit is open information on the internet. You can download a copy on your own. Why this isn't being picked up and reported more extensively on even in San Antonio sports circles is beyond me. The information is out there to find you just have to go look.

[therealtruth]

When was it then? You think the Spurs could afford to have Kawhi in training camp and playing then trading him? That would be a rebuild year. Also extremely risky because teams like the Raptors or Sixers would want him in training camp too to maximize their 1 year with him.

No ideal solution was to work on repairing the relationship like they did with LMA last year. Nobody wins with a trade now except maybe the Raptors who can win it all if Kawhi's healthy and committed for next season. The ceiling with Demar is much lower than it was with Kawhi. The Spurs have set themselves up for playoff mediocrity at best.

[SpursDynasty85]

No ideal solution was to work on repairing the relationship like they did with LMA last year. Nobody wins with a trade now except maybe the Raptors who can win it all if Kawhi's healthy and committed for next season. The ceiling with Demar is much lower than it was with Kawhi. The Spurs have set themselves up for playoff mediocrity at best.

So you would rather tank and rebuild? After this past year that type of season would be disastrous for the Spurs. Our fan base and the franchise may never recover especially after this Kawhi drama. Staying afloat while growing younger pieces is the way to go. I'm sure this was the best offer the Spurs could get vs losing Kawhi for nothing. First rounder plus Poeltl who could end up being very good is nothing to sneeze at.

[pookenstein]

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He even looks shitty in a staged video.

[SpursFamo]

Tragic

[Phenomanul]

Carter's former, or current agent I'm not sure, is Frankel. Supposedly, he founded IMPACT 25 years ago according to a Forbes article in 2017. There is a PDF of the lawsuit in Florida of the agent Elfus who did KL rookie deal, his 5yr 94 million extension, deals with Jordan Brand, BBVA, and Wingstop, and how he's suing IMPACT and Frankel 5 million for money owed him for commissions he wasn't paid. If you read it, you come across Joseph and Jeff Sutton. Jeff Sutton is werth 3.6 billion and is in NY. Joseph is his son. They run IMPACT now thanks to a 10 million investment plus buying 4.7 million plus in debt and interest IMPACT owed to Cobalt Sports Capital lending.

IMPACT mainly has stuck to football players, but the contracts are not guaranteed and mainly short-term. Kawhi is the main basketball client of that agency, if not the only. The Suttons see Kawhi as their way into bringing more NBA players into their agency with longer contracts and more guaranteed money then what football provides. If you want to know why KL is no longer a Spur look no further then Uncle Dennis and Frankel's dealings with Joseph and Jeff Sutton of New York. Read the Forbes article on the investment reported on February 28th 2017

The PDF to the lawsuit is open information on the internet. You can download a copy on your own. Why this isn't being picked up and reported more extensively on even in San Antonio sports circles is beyond me. The information is out there to find you just have to go look.

Tbh this post deserves a thread of its own. It's legit a Spurs issue if it turns out investors from NY tampered with the Spurs' franchise and manipulated the situation from afar.

[Stabula]

It still hurts ....

[tonight...you]

It still hurts ....
:lol

Nice.

[LCM]

Tbh this post deserves a thread of its own. It's legit a Spurs issue if it turns out investors from NY tampered with the Spurs' franchise and manipulated the situation from afar.

Jeff and Joseph Sutton are an interesting pair. Jeff is the dad and the money, Joseph wanted to run the agency. IMPACT Sports Agency really doesn't exist anymore, or isn't being rearranged to be something else. Now look at the timeline of this situation:

1) Sutton's pay 4.7+ million in debt and interest, then invest 10 million to basically take over Impact Sports Agency from Frankel. This is in the Forbes article Feb. 28, 2017. That means they bought it before that article came out. From that time on Frankel, Uncle Dennis, and Kawhi's Mom have been on the Sutton's payroll.

2) Kawhi rolls his ankle in WCF against GS - late May 2017

3) According to ESPN Spur's writer Michael C Wright, Spurs give Kawhi's group (Suttons w/Uncle Dennis and Frankel) control over his rehab in August of 2017 before the start of training camp or the regular season. Spurs from then on are locked out of his rehab. The Spurs doctors do not have any say, the organization is not getting any progress reports, and any Spurs staff who does help KL, they are doing the rehab program of Dr. Galoshaw, a doctor who helps the New York Islanders and the Philadelphia 76ers. He is based in NYC.

4) The vast majority of KL's rehab time is at the NBPA building which is in NYC. The incident where Spurs brass were told they couldn't see KL at the NBPA building when they came for a surprise visit was by KL's group (Suttons?)

5) All the times KL was scheduled to play and did or scheduled to play and didn't where all set up by Kawhi! Not the Spurs! The Spurs staff declared him healthy, but they weren't given any consideration through the year to examine him because his group (Sutton?) wouldn't allow it. The player's only meeting happened because he was saying certain games he would be back to play and didn't. He wasn't even talking to the players on the Spurs! Which is why he was asked "Are you coming back or what?"

6) According to Michael C Wright, after that meeting KL went to NYC to continue his rehab, but he was never seen with the Spurs franchise again. It's almost as if NYC is his home base.

Now I personally enjoy NBA pundits who still believe there is a chance that KL will go to the Lakers next off season. Joseph Sutton who runs the agency now is a big Knicks fan, the Suttons have numerous billboard availability to market KL in NYC. Plus Jospeh Sutton really doesn't like LeBron James. Sutton shut down his twitter account recently, but there are screen shots of Sutton bagging on James in 2017, but the big screen shot of his account was where he called LeBron James a homophobic slur in 2014. Now as far as tampering charges, you could also look at Jeanne Buss because she had a cryptic tweet July 2018, close to when FA and trades could start, after a trip she had to NYC. KL was up there at the same time. Could she have talked to KL or could she have talk to the Suttons? There are so many questions that have not been raised because everyone looks at Uncle Dennis or Frankel. The real people to look at are Jeff and Joseph Sutton if you want to get an understanding of what happened to KL in his last year with the SA Spurs. The national media don't care about this story because it didn't happen to the Lakers, Bulls, Knicks, Celtics or 76ers. But because it happened to the Spurs, no big deal. They were due something bad happening to them.

[SAGirl]

I’ll miss him. Might watch the Raptors some tbh.

I am really not a DeRozan fan. This team needs some development from Murray or someone else to really keep me engaged. They aren’t very likeable right this moment...

[tonight...you]

I’ll miss him. Might watch the Raptors some tbh.

I am really not a DeRozan fan. This team needs some development from Murray or someone else to really keep me engaged. They aren’t very likeable right this moment...
They absolutely are likable at this moment, but everything is subjective, I guess.
I'm looking forward to next season.

[gambit1990]

DG:
“I don’t think he messed up. There’s advantages and disadvantages; pros and cons. A lot of times if things are bad and you have nothing good to say or you don’t know what to say it’s better probably not to speak at all. But for him, I don’t think he messed up but he kind of left us, his teammates, to speak for him because he didn’t say anything. Could he have handled it differently? I wouldn’t say better but he could have probably made a statement or said something. It seems like everyone else is getting sources around him, which aren’t the true story and it kind of leaves everyone else to answer for him — the organization, the players, his teammates — when we really don’t know."

“He could have made it easier for everybody else if we would have said something but regardless we know that’s him. That’s his personality, we didn’t ask him to change, I didn’t expect anything different from him. He’s still maturing, he’s still a young adult, he’s still learning the game, still learning media. This will be something moving forward that he’ll adapt, adjust and learn from and make him a better person, player and media guy off the court.”

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kawhi is gone. Let’s pull a sheet over this thread and move on.

[Seventyniner]

Jeff and Joseph Sutton are an interesting pair. Jeff is the dad and the money, Joseph wanted to run the agency. IMPACT Sports Agency really doesn't exist anymore, or isn't being rearranged to be something else. Now look at the timeline of this situation:

1) Sutton's pay 4.7+ million in debt and interest, then invest 10 million to basically take over Impact Sports Agency from Frankel. This is in the Forbes article Feb. 28, 2017. That means they bought it before that article came out. From that time on Frankel, Uncle Dennis, and Kawhi's Mom have been on the Sutton's payroll.

2) Kawhi rolls his ankle in WCF against GS - late May 2017

3) According to ESPN Spur's writer Michael C Wright, Spurs give Kawhi's group (Suttons w/Uncle Dennis and Frankel) control over his rehab in August of 2017 before the start of training camp or the regular season. Spurs from then on are locked out of his rehab. The Spurs doctors do not have any say, the organization is not getting any progress reports, and any Spurs staff who does help KL, they are doing the rehab program of Dr. Galoshaw, a doctor who helps the New York Islanders and the Philadelphia 76ers. He is based in NYC.

4) The vast majority of KL's rehab time is at the NBPA building which is in NYC. The incident where Spurs brass were told they couldn't see KL at the NBPA building when they came for a surprise visit was by KL's group (Suttons?)

5) All the times KL was scheduled to play and did or scheduled to play and didn't where all set up by Kawhi! Not the Spurs! The Spurs staff declared him healthy, but they weren't given any consideration through the year to examine him because his group (Sutton?) wouldn't allow it. The player's only meeting happened because he was saying certain games he would be back to play and didn't. He wasn't even talking to the players on the Spurs! Which is why he was asked "Are you coming back or what?"

6) According to Michael C Wright, after that meeting KL went to NYC to continue his rehab, but he was never seen with the Spurs franchise again. It's almost as if NYC is his home base.

Now I personally enjoy NBA pundits who still believe there is a chance that KL will go to the Lakers next off season. Joseph Sutton who runs the agency now is a big Knicks fan, the Suttons have numerous billboard availability to market KL in NYC. Plus Jospeh Sutton really doesn't like LeBron James. Sutton shut down his twitter account recently, but there are screen shots of Sutton bagging on James in 2017, but the big screen shot of his account was where he called LeBron James a homophobic slur in 2014. Now as far as tampering charges, you could also look at Jeanne Buss because she had a cryptic tweet July 2018, close to when FA and trades could start, after a trip she had to NYC. KL was up there at the same time. Could she have talked to KL or could she have talk to the Suttons? There are so many questions that have not been raised because everyone looks at Uncle Dennis or Frankel. The real people to look at are Jeff and Joseph Sutton if you want to get an understanding of what happened to KL in his last year with the SA Spurs. The national media don't care about this story because it didn't happen to the Lakers, Bulls, Knicks, Celtics or 76ers. But because it happened to the Spurs, no big deal. They were due something bad happening to them.

Damn. It seems that even Uncle Dennis, while not necessarily a pawn in all this, was no more than a bishop. He certainly doesn't appear to be in charge of Number 2's "group".

Being a small market actually did screw the Spurs in this instance, but nobody could have seen this coming. Right?

[sammy]

i seriously would love if he left to toronto as well.

Agreed!:bobo

[sammy]

Jeff and Joseph Sutton are an interesting pair. Jeff is the dad and the money, Joseph wanted to run the agency. IMPACT Sports Agency really doesn't exist anymore, or isn't being rearranged to be something else. Now look at the timeline of this situation:

1) Sutton's pay 4.7+ million in debt and interest, then invest 10 million to basically take over Impact Sports Agency from Frankel. This is in the Forbes article Feb. 28, 2017. That means they bought it before that article came out. From that time on Frankel, Uncle Dennis, and Kawhi's Mom have been on the Sutton's payroll.

2) Kawhi rolls his ankle in WCF against GS - late May 2017

3) According to ESPN Spur's writer Michael C Wright, Spurs give Kawhi's group (Suttons w/Uncle Dennis and Frankel) control over his rehab in August of 2017 before the start of training camp or the regular season. Spurs from then on are locked out of his rehab. The Spurs doctors do not have any say, the organization is not getting any progress reports, and any Spurs staff who does help KL, they are doing the rehab program of Dr. Galoshaw, a doctor who helps the New York Islanders and the Philadelphia 76ers. He is based in NYC.

4) The vast majority of KL's rehab time is at the NBPA building which is in NYC. The incident where Spurs brass were told they couldn't see KL at the NBPA building when they came for a surprise visit was by KL's group (Suttons?)

5) All the times KL was scheduled to play and did or scheduled to play and didn't where all set up by Kawhi! Not the Spurs! The Spurs staff declared him healthy, but they weren't given any consideration through the year to examine him because his group (Sutton?) wouldn't allow it. The player's only meeting happened because he was saying certain games he would be back to play and didn't. He wasn't even talking to the players on the Spurs! Which is why he was asked "Are you coming back or what?"

6) According to Michael C Wright, after that meeting KL went to NYC to continue his rehab, but he was never seen with the Spurs franchise again. It's almost as if NYC is his home base.

Now I personally enjoy NBA pundits who still believe there is a chance that KL will go to the Lakers next off season. Joseph Sutton who runs the agency now is a big Knicks fan, the Suttons have numerous billboard availability to market KL in NYC. Plus Jospeh Sutton really doesn't like LeBron James. Sutton shut down his twitter account recently, but there are screen shots of Sutton bagging on James in 2017, but the big screen shot of his account was where he called LeBron James a homophobic slur in 2014. Now as far as tampering charges, you could also look at Jeanne Buss because she had a cryptic tweet July 2018, close to when FA and trades could start, after a trip she had to NYC. KL was up there at the same time. Could she have talked to KL or could she have talk to the Suttons? There are so many questions that have not been raised because everyone looks at Uncle Dennis or Frankel. The real people to look at are Jeff and Joseph Sutton if you want to get an understanding of what happened to KL in his last year with the SA Spurs. The national media don't care about this story because it didn't happen to the Lakers, Bulls, Knicks, Celtics or 76ers. But because it happened to the Spurs, no big deal. They were due something bad happening to them.

Excellent post! There needs to be a investigation into the tampering by Buss, Magic & Sutton! Spurs need to file a grievance or complaint to the league!

[DPG21920]

Danny saying the same things I’ve said all along. How can you get mad at anything your teammates said when it was you putting them in the situation to talk along with with keeping them in the dark so they couldn’t even answer for you?

Just ludicrous.

[Twisted_Dawg]

LCM....where you getting this intel?

[Play Boban]

It still hurts ....
:cry

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

DG:
“I don’t think he messed up. There’s advantages and disadvantages; pros and cons. A lot of times if things are bad and you have nothing good to say or you don’t know what to say it’s better probably not to speak at all. But for him, I don’t think he messed up but he kind of left us, his teammates, to speak for him because he didn’t say anything. Could he have handled it differently? I wouldn’t say better but he could have probably made a statement or said something. It seems like everyone else is getting sources around him, which aren’t the true story and it kind of leaves everyone else to answer for him — the organization, the players, his teammates — when we really don’t know."

“He could have made it easier for everybody else if we would have said something but regardless we know that’s him. That’s his personality, we didn’t ask him to change, I didn’t expect anything different from him. He’s still maturing, he’s still a young adult, he’s still learning the game, still learning media. This will be something moving forward that he’ll adapt, adjust and learn from and make him a better person, player and media guy off the court.”

coming from danny that is the eqivalent of dropping a nuke on kawhi

[spurs10]

I’ll miss him. Might watch the Raptors some tbh.

I am really not a DeRozan fan. This team needs some development from Murray or someone else to really keep me engaged. They aren’t very likeable right this moment... Have a good time no matter who you watch, but how many games of DeRozan did you watch last season when the Raptors were on an absolute roll? Is your feelings about him based on multiple games or just a glance in the playoffs? Derozan is an All-Star. Maybe not a superstar, but a big improvement on someone that doesn't play and definitely an improvement at the 2 spot.

[SpursDynasty85]

coming from danny that is the eqivalent of dropping a nuke on kawhi

Yea. That's the most criticism a teammate has ever said about him and now they're projected to play and start for the same team. Interesting.

[LCM]

LCM....where you getting this intel?

Michael C Wright on Back to Back Podcast w/Tom Haberstrough, July 5th 2018
Forbes Article Feb 28th, 2017 Suttons buying Impact from Frankel
Florida suit filed by Elfus, KL's first agent representative from Impact, for $5 million in commissions he says he is owed from Frankel and Impact he was never paid. There is a free PDF of the suit filed, it's public record. This document leads you to the Suttons.
Jeanne Buss' twitter a count is public, look around the first week of July 2018 for the tweet I mentioned.
There was a article written about Joseph Sutton and his tweets about LeBron James. Those screen shots are out there especially the one in 2014.

[spurs10]

Oh yeah, for the record, I'm stoked about the new season! After the preposterous, non-stop Kawhi Leonard bullshit, where neither the team or the fans buying tickets to the games had a clue whether he would play or not, this will be fun watching people actually "play."

I actually think Kawhi and his team committed fraud and wish he'd be suspended...certainly don't want to see or hear about that asshole. FKL!
:flag:

[YGWHI]

Why the hell people keep bumping this??? He's a Raptor now. JUST MOVE ON!!!


Danny saying the same things I’ve said all along. How can you get mad at anything your teammates said when it was you putting them in the situation to talk along with with keeping them in the dark so they couldn’t even answer for you?

Just ludicrous.

I'm sure that he's not mad at Patty Mills when he said this offseason "...I've loved being his teammate. It won't change..."

Even if a person put you in some uncomfortable situation, you can stay classy in front media.

When things are getting bad, you don't need to create doubts about an injury of a teammate. If media ask you, just say "I didn't see him yet, I wish him a good rehab/quick recovery" It's not that hard.

[spurs10]

Michael C Wright on Back to Back Podcast w/Tom Haberstrough, July 5th 2018
Forbes Article Feb 28th, 2017 Suttons buying Impact from Frankel
Florida suit filed by Elfus, KL's first agent representative from Impact, for $5 million in commissions he says he is owed from Frankel and Impact he was never paid. There is a free PDF of the suit filed, it's public record. This document leads you to the Suttons.
Jeanne Buss' twitter a count is public, look around the first week of July 2018 for the tweet I mentioned.
There was a article written about Joseph Sutton and his tweets about LeBron James. Those screen shots are out there especially the one in 2014. Great stuff, thanks!

[YGWHI]

I actually think Kawhi and his team committed fraud
So we have to act like Kawhi never had issues in his quad before...

I find so funny that most NBA media say he won't be the same player after this injury, that he has only one or two years more at a decent level...But there are still Spurs' fans who don't believe he was injured.

[SpursDynasty85]

So we have to act like Kawhi never had issues in his quad before...

I find so funny that most NBA media say he won't be the same player after this injury, that he has only one or two years more at a decent level...But there are still Spurs' fans who don't believe he was injured.

Lol. Good point. I still don't know what to expect from Kawhi's recovery.

[YGWHI]

Lol. Good point. I still don't know what to expect from Kawhi's recovery.

I just expect...someone moves this thread to NBA forum. This is a Spurs' forum, he's not a Spur anymore.... Where are the mods?

Please @Kori just move this!

[spurs10]

So we have to act like Kawhi never had issues in his quad before...

I find so funny that most NBA media say he won't be the same player after this injury, that he has only one or two years more at a decent level...But there are still Spurs' fans who don't believe he was injured. No I definitely believed he had issue with his quad. I believe that toward the end of the year when he hid from the Spurs personal while being paid $19 million, that he had committed fraud by avoiding them. My guess is he had already decided he wasn't coming back, so why bother. At any rate the chance of him suddenly being 100% the minute we had left the playoffs is rather far-fetched, but maybe he did magically get better exactly at the same second the season was over. When he hid, he was committing fraud.

[YGWHI]

No I definitely believed he had issue with his quad. I believe that toward the end of the year when he hid from the Spurs personal while being paid $19 million, that he had committed fraud by avoiding them. My guess is he had already decided he wasn't coming back, so why bother. At any rate the chance of him suddenly being 100% the minute we had left the playoffs is rather far-fetched, but maybe he did magically get better exactly at the same second the season was over. When he hid, he was committing fraud.

Who knows. I'm not a lawyer but I doubt a player commits fraud just for not being available.

However, I didn't hear he was healthy after game 5 of Spurs' 2018 playoffs.

[LCM]

So we have to act like Kawhi never had issues in his quad before...

I find so funny that most NBA media say he won't be the same player after this injury, that he has only one or two years more at a decent level...But there are still Spurs' fans who don't believe he was injured.

You can look at it several ways:
1) He finished his rehab on his ankle which he sprained against GS - unless a high ankle sprain you're looking at four to five weeks rehab. The issues of quad or tendon are brought up after. Now people who say KL or his group made this up and he wasn't injured can say the first time this bruise situation in the quad was first brought up in March 2016! It was after a game against the Heat. Duncan hadn't retired yet! Kawhi missed three games after the initial quad bruise, played in the playoffs (losing to OKC WCSF), played the regular season 2016-17 with MVP caliber numbers on offense and defense, and had the GSW over a barrel by 20+ points game 1 WCF, and we heard nothing about his quad being bad!

2) Now let's say there was a problem, Michael C Wright reported Kawhi began a rehab program by the Spurs for the tendon. But Wright said that Kawhi was saying that the exercises were making him hurt, and he quit doing the program. Now how long was this? One week two weeks? I haven't heard someone say a definite time. We are at July 2017 now, and the Spurs give control of diagnosis and rehab over to KL and his group on Aug 8th 2017. They are putting his medical treatment in his hands. And it is reported, he looked at 6 to 7 doctors by Bill Simmons on the Ringer before deciding on Dr. Galoshaw, doctor who is with New York Islanders and Philadelphia 76ers.

3) If KL is still hurt after practically a whole year of rehab, it isn't the fault of the San Antonio Spurs medical staff! It's totally on him! He has been working from a rehab program from his doctor, that he sought out, because of a diagnosis that he and his group believe is what is wrong with him. Whatever happens to his career from here on out, it's completely in the hands of KL.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I’ll miss him. Might watch the Raptors some tbh.

I am really not a DeRozan fan. This team needs some development from Murray or someone else to really keep me engaged. They aren’t very likeable right this moment...

Spurs haven’t been a fun to watch team since 2015

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs haven’t been a fun to watch team since 2015

:rolleyes the spurs won 67 games in 2016. gtfo with your emoness

[valleybeyond]

:rolleyes the spurs won 67 games in 2016. gtfo with your emoness

lol yep and 61 the year after. something, something spoiled fan base...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Spurs haven’t been a fun to watch team since 2015


:rolleyes the spurs won 67 games in 2016. gtfo with your emoness


lol yep and 61 the year after. something, something spoiled fan base...



seriously. this canuck. such an attention whore

[YGWHI]

You can look at it several ways:
1) He finished his rehab on his ankle which he sprained against GS - unless a high ankle sprain you're looking at four to five weeks rehab. The issues of quad or tendon are brought up after. Now people who say KL or his group made this up and he wasn't injured can say the first time this bruise situation in the quad was first brought up in March 2016! It was after a game against the Heat. Duncan hadn't retired yet! Kawhi missed three games after the initial quad bruise, played in the playoffs (losing to OKC WCSF), played the regular season 2016-17 with MVP caliber numbers on offense and defense, and had the GSW over a barrel by 20+ points game 1 WCF, and we heard nothing about his quad being bad!
YOU didn't hear anything about his quad.

But Danny Green said on Chris Broussard's podcast that Kawhi's quad got worse in the summer, it's pretty clear his quad was an issue back then...


2) Now let's say there was a problem, Michael C Wright reported Kawhi began a rehab program by the Spurs for the tendon. But Wright said that Kawhi was saying that the exercises were making him hurt, and he quit doing the program. Now how long was this? One week two weeks? I haven't heard someone say a definite time. We are at July 2017 now, and the Spurs give control of diagnosis and rehab over to KL and his group on Aug 8th 2017. They are putting his medical treatment in his hands. And it is reported, he looked at 6 to 7 doctors by Bill Simmons on the Ringer before deciding on Dr. Galoshaw, doctor who is with New York Islanders and Philadelphia 76ers.
Simmons is the only one talking about 6-7 doctors at the same time he's one of the many guys saying his quad wouldn't allow him to be the same player he was...
Very incoherent and contradictory


3) If KL is still hurt after practically a whole year of rehab, it isn't the fault of the San Antonio Spurs medical staff! It's totally on him! He has been working from a rehab program from his doctor, that he sought out, because of a diagnosis that he and his group believe is what is wrong with him. Whatever happens to his career from here on out, it's completely in the hands of KL.

Could be permanent damage if team-doctors misdiagnosed/mishandled an injury for a whole season (2017) and the offseason.

Even Woj said all the issues between Kawhi and the Spurs started with this injury. If the player thought Spurs' doctors ruined his career and the Spurs didn't fire those guys, I would get why he said he was doing everything for his teammates but not for the organization.

Then add a greedy uncle to this situaton.

[DPG21920]

Why the hell people keep bumping this??? He's a Raptor now. JUST MOVE ON!!!



I'm sure that he's not mad at Patty Mills when he said this offseason "...I've loved being his teammate. It won't change..."

Even if a person put you in some uncomfortable situation, you can stay classy in front media.

When things are getting bad, you don't need to create doubts about an injury of a teammate. If media ask you, just say "I didn't see him yet, I wish him a good rehab/quick recovery" It's not that hard.

It obviously is that hard unless you think Pop, TP, Manu, Danny and virtually everyone else are all bad people.

[DPG21920]

YOU didn't hear anything about his quad.

But Danny Green said on Chris Broussard's podcast that Kawhi's quad got worse in the summer, it's pretty clear his quad was an issue back then...


Simmons is the only one talking about 6-7 doctors at the same time he's one of the many guys saying his quad wouldn't allow him to be the same player he was...
Very incoherent and contradictory



Could be permanent damage if team-doctors misdiagnosed/mishandled an injury for a whole season (2017) and the offseason.

Even Woj said all the issues between Kawhi and the Spurs started with this injury. If the player thought Spurs' doctors ruined his career and the Spurs didn't fire those guys, I would get why he said he was doing everything for his teammates but not for the organization.

Then add a greedy uncle to this situaton.

He wasn’t doing anything for his teammates. Hence the meeting. Multiple players said Kawhi not only kept them in the dark but lied to them about coming back.

[YGWHI]

It obviously is that hard unless you think Pop, TP, Manu, Danny and virtually everyone else are all bad people.

Bad people? Nah. But I guess Danny and Patty were "nice supportive". I wonder why the other guys couldn't...

"everyone else"?...IDK. I hear Wade and Thomas taking about Kawhi doing right.

Wade finished his comment with "Ultimately, there's no loyalty from the standpoint of, hey, they're going to do what's best for them and you're going to do what's best for you. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's more so the message that is portrayed is not a clear message. It's a bad message, just from the simple fact that organizations get cheered and understanding when they have to make a decision about a player, and players get booed and ridiculed when they make a decision for what they want to do and what's best for their future.
"For me, the story is more so it's an awful picture that's been painted, and it needs to be told differently and it needs to be seen differently. But ultimately, if you understand both sides, if you understand the business side of things, if I understand from a player side, then you understand that organizations are going to make decisions that are best for them at the time, and players need to make the decision that's best for them. And that's OK."

Thomas said "Kawhi Leonard, what he did is the right thing to do. He learned from my story. Everybody can hate or do whatever they say about Kawhi Leonard, but at the end of the day, he’s looking after himself. These teams, all they’re going to do is look out for themselves. When a player does it, everybody’s tripping out. It is what it is." "If I could do it all over again, I wish I would have sat out a little longer for sure. But we could always play the what-if game."


He wasn’t doing anything for his teammates. Hence the meeting. Multiple players said Kawhi not only kept them in the dark but lied to them about coming back.
Well, Danny said in his podcast that Kawhi explained -at the players' meeting- how hard was his rehab, how many setbacks had, that he was at 90% some day and .50% the next...

If he was injured and thought that playing could aggravate it, like IT said, no one should blame him. That includes his teammates' public comments.

[YGWHI]

I'm a mod

I guess you're a mod!!! :D

Please, just move this thread to NBA forum.

[NickiRasgo]

Spurs haven’t been a fun to watch team since 2015

It's because "The Beautiful Game" turned to ISO plays? Have to agree if it's the reason. That 2015 squad can win a title if they peaked at the right time, sucks that they got eliminated in Game 7 but then, the "hunger" isn't there anymore.
2017 was fun to watch (low-key) but it's the first season without Tim Duncan, if it's not of the Kawhi's injury. :depressed

[NickiRasgo]

Just leave this thread here. So we can still look back if the Spurs actually won or loses this trade. Time will tell.
Hard to admit, I'll be missing Kawhi. It's like losing your "almost perfect GF/wife".
I'll be missing his efficiency, defense and underrated strength - he looks stud though compared to Demar. Not really fan of Demar.
But then, we still don't know if it's really Kawhi or just manipulated by his uncle.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:rolleyes the spurs won 67 games in 2016. gtfo with your emoness

All those midrange jumpers :lmao

The 2016 doesn't even make top 4 all time Spurs teams.

2015 was the last year where they were truly a joy to watch. Kawhi was amazing in 2017, but the rest of the team was painful. Iso era Spurs :td :td

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's because "The Beautiful Game" turned to ISO plays? Have to agree if it's the reason. That 2015 squad can win a title if they peaked at the right time, sucks that they got eliminated in Game 7 but then, the "hunger" isn't there anymore.
2017 was fun to watch (low-key) but it's the first season without Tim Duncan, if it's not of the Kawhi's injury. :depressed

Spot on