Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[baseline bum]

I'm resigned to the fact that RC and Pop are about to be taken out to the woodshed via trade tbh :lol

Hopefully they at least wait until LeBron is signed so they can sabotage the Lakers' chances at a James + George + Leonard superteam.

[Barfunk]

I'm resigned to the fact that RC and Pop are about to be taken out to the woodshed via trade tbh :lol
I agree.

[Russ]

I'm resigned to the fact that RC and Pop are about to be taken out to the woodshed via trade tbh :lol

If you're going to get next to nothing, you might as well risk getting nothing.

Good things come to those who wait (especially if your GM is smarter than most).

[baseline bum]

If you're going to get next to nothing, you might as well risk getting nothing.


I don't know why that's so hard for people here to understand. You don't have to get something if the something is garbage.

[K...]

just assume that leonard is spent goods and this is a final offer. It's not, but the ability to move on from the cancer into the last fun teams of pops HOF career, rather than DRAMA DRAMA

I mean if Kawhi wants to act contrite and sign an extension so be it, but playing with a talented but whiny kawhi would cast a pall over the season. You'd assume he'd quit some point with any hesitation of injury.

If the spurs aren't going to win champioships with talent, then at least have a fun team.

[Barfunk]

I don't know why that's so hard for people here to understand. You don't have to get something if the something is garbage.

Exactly. I'd rather let him walk for nothing than get a bunch of scrubs.

[baseline bum]

just assume that leonard is spent goods and this is a final offer. It's not, but the ability to move on from the cancer into the last fun teams of pops HOF career, rather than DRAMA DRAMA

I mean if Kawhi wants to act contrite and sign an extension so be it, but playing with a talented but whiny kawhi would cast a pall over the season. You'd assume he'd quit some point with any hesitation of injury.

If the spurs aren't going to win champioships with talent, then at least have a fun team.

That's why you don't play him. You send him home like Phoenix did with Bledsoe.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Im all for watching Kawhi rot if we don't get an exciting offer.

Maybe that's not practical, but it would feel good.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I always thought he faked his "injury" to get out of the spurs. Total pussy move and cowardly. Greats like jordan, timmy, bird, lebron would never pull such a bitch move. In the world of kinesiology/sports medicine, athletes who are having quad/knee/leg issues, 99% of them gain weight and look pudgier than normal. Kawhi's physique never changed. He stayed pretty ripped in shape throughout the whole to me. To me, the dude was still running doing cardio in his house and then pulled the im too injured to play when he showed up for work. Him and his group have been trying to leave the spurs for 2 years, so i dont buy this "spurs betrayal" or "injury mismanagement" mamaditas/bullshit that his camp has been releasing. Its just damage control to prevent kawquitter from looking like a pussy and a massive coward. The spurs are known league wide of protecting and babying their players. So i give them the benefit of the doubt.

^^^^Right here^^^^:toast

[sasaint]

I agree.

That's just the beginning. Those guys will be in charge of the rebuild, too.

[Russ]

That's why you don't play him. You send him home like Phoenix did with Bledsoe.

You can't just send him home -- that gives him an easy out.

You have to smoke him out -- make him face the cameras and explain how he "healed" over the summer but now he's hurt again.

Make him face the cameras and explain how he feels betrayed. :toast

[NASpurs]

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/6/18/17477604/nba-trade-rumors-spurs-permission-speak-agent-kawhi-leonard-uncle

"...is that the Spurs have evidently not allowed any teams to speak with Leonard’s agent, according to Zach Lowe of ESPN. (http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=23835273)


“To my knowledge as we’re recording this at 2:19 eastern time on Monday, no team has even gotten close to getting permission to talk to Kawhi’s agent, and any team who is not in Los Angeles — and even those teams — should want to do that before they throw anything like the No. 2 pick to San Antonio.”

[toki9]

You know what, just send him to the Lakers and then let them sign Lebron and Paul George...it might be worth it just to see Uncle Dennis, Lavar Ball, Lebron and Rich Paul all butt heads together and redefine team dysfunction.

[toki9]

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2018/6/18/17477604/nba-trade-rumors-spurs-permission-speak-agent-kawhi-leonard-uncle

"...is that the Spurs have evidently not allowed any teams to speak with Leonard’s agent, according to Zach Lowe of ESPN. (http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=23835273)

Does he even have an NBA registered agent at this point? Uncle Dennis is definitely not registered (Or is he?). Is Frankel registered as NBA agent?

[baseline bum]

You can't just send him home -- that gives him an easy out.

You have to smoke him out -- make him face the cameras and explain how he "healed" over the summer but now he's hurt again.

Make him face the cameras and explain how he feels betrayed. :toast

Meh it would be training camp for his new team. I'd just let his skills atrophy.

[RGMCSE]

^^^^Right here^^^^:toast


Weve heard for years that the spurs med team is top notch one of if not the leagues best group. The Spurs have always been at the forefront of training and techniques to help the player. Example Pop monitoring minutes/ back2backs. Instituting naps into their pregame agenda, and consulting with medical experts on mental health etc. the fact that you had a player tear his quad and recover in record time and play most of the season compared to a fucking so called quad bruise and missing an entire season is laughable. Dude quit and I can’t believe it. I thought he had shades of an all time great.

[99 Problems]

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Ok, so they’re moving pick 1. 3 team trade, Suns/Spur/Fakers.

[rasuo214]

I'm not giving him away to anyone. If the offers remain crap by the trade deadline he can miss the entire season. The main point of suspending him would be to light a fire under Uncle Dennis' ass to make a preferred team come correct with a legitimate trade proposal that's not a complete fucking under the assumption Leonard will go nuts not getting onto a basketball court this year. Though it would be funny to fuck him over the same way he did the Spurs. That would be so much better than selling your BMW for $100.

Suspending him doesn't increase his trade value, it gives him an opt out from criticism and it makes the Spurs look bad. If they don't trade him then have him play, if he sits out then it only hurts his future earnings and makes him look even worse.

[BackHome]

With regards to him going to Flakers....I watched a segment and Jalen Rose actually made a couple of good observations.

1. Spurs can take their time and wait until trade deadline by that time the Flakers would have to make a move and would probably sign Lebron and George which means even if Kawhi plays out the year he can not sign with the Flakers as they would have no money to sign him.
2. He made a point to say the Spurs organization is not stupid and will take their time and the only deal he would do would be with Boston which would include Tatum.

There is a lot of chatter for every team to get on the Kawhi bandwagoon like someone says it only takes one good offer and we good to go....:)
3. If we trade him and he leaves that team he is loosing like additional 30 million to sign with what ever team he wants to.....b

He also corrected his co worker who said that there have been no one actually talking to the Spurs about trades... He just smiled and said it takes two people to have a conversation and the Spurs are not the Cavs who gave away there PG for nothing. He did mentione they didn't trade him to the team he demanded he went to Boston.........

So basically he says Spurs have more control then what people think.

[cutewizard]

We need to look at our own fortress.

Why should we strengthen our Western rivals???? The West is loaded as it is........

[Russ]

There's another reason to keep Kawhi.

Kawhi did not just take $19 million for not playing last season, he sought to tarnish the heretofore good reputation of the Spurs as well.

If the Spurs act with class while Kawhi sits out another year, the situation, and who is to blame, will become apparent to even the most delusional.

The good guys and bad guys will become apparent -- the Spurs' reputation is worth it above and beyond all other considerations.

[Play Boban]

There are cancer clusters in the air in la.

[spurs10]

Suspending him doesn't increase his trade value, it gives him an opt out from criticism and it makes the Spurs look bad. If they don't trade him then have him play, if he sits out then it only hurts his future earnings and makes him look even worse. I understand the thought to just let him sit for another year, I just think they'll want him to earn his money. Spurs likely have no reason or motivation to trade him. Maybe something looks good before February, maybe not.

[cutewizard]

Weve heard for years that the spurs med team is top notch one of if not the leagues best group. The Spurs have always been at the forefront of training and techniques to help the player. Example Pop monitoring minutes/ back2backs. Instituting naps into their pregame agenda, and consulting with medical experts on mental health etc. the fact that you had a player tear his quad and recover in record time and play most of the season compared to a fucking so called quad bruise and missing an entire season is laughable. Dude quit and I can’t believe it. I thought he had shades of an all time great.


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Completely agree. This is the post of the day, tbh.

[spurs10]

As for him being a cancer on the team, the spotlight will be on him and he'll need to decide if he wants show the world he's a pro or 'bad news.' He goes out here and gives a half-hearted effort and his stock will plummet. He's already going to lose tens of millions by losing the super-max.

[Mugen]

The smart play is to wait.

But I just don't think Pop will have the stomach to wait this shit out until February. The constant questions, the media scrutiny, the back and forth with his group, etc.

He's probably so over this shit, with his wife, Timmy gone, Manu gone, TP being terrible...he's going to want to rip the band-aid off as soon as possible. Might help him decide if he wants to retire now or hand the reins over to Messina.

[cutewizard]

If he doesnt want to be here, why prolong the agony????

[Lostwingman]

We need to look at our own fortress.

Why should we strengthen our Western rivals???? The West is loaded as it is........
Who are we strengthening in this prospective deals? PHX? SAC? They'd barely pull themselves out of the gutter even with Kawhi. So what's the problem?

[cutewizard]

Kawhi is unprofessional, period...............

[cutewizard]

Who are we strengthening in this prospective deals? PHX? SAC? They'd barely pull themselves out of the gutter even with Kawhi. So what's the problem?


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I was referring to LA

[Lostwingman]

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I was referring to LA

Same applies, not like they can offer anything to us to move the ol'interest meter anyway so what's the issue?

Not like we're dumping him in OKC or something.

[99 Problems]

Who are we strengthening in this prospective deals? PHX? SAC? They'd barely pull themselves out of the gutter even with Kawhi. So what's the problem?


Agree, I hear the no west thing, but, in reality if the big deal needs doing?? PHX will stay phx and Fakers well it’s showtime everyday over there just without the Lakers. And Phil has long left the building..............

[Play Boban]

Kawhi is unprofessional, period...............
He is a traitor.

[Slippy]

With regards to him going to Flakers....I watched a segment and Jalen Rose actually made a couple of good observations.

1. Spurs can take their time and wait until trade deadline by that time the Flakers would have to make a move and would probably sign Lebron and George which means even if Kawhi plays out the year he can not sign with the Flakers as they would have no money to sign him.
2. He made a point to say the Spurs organization is not stupid and will take their time and the only deal he would do would be with Boston which would include Tatum.

There is a lot of chatter for every team to get on the Kawhi bandwagoon like someone says it only takes one good offer and we good to go....:)
3. If we trade him and he leaves that team he is loosing like additional 30 million to sign with what ever team he wants to.....b

He also corrected his co worker who said that there have been no one actually talking to the Spurs about trades... He just smiled and said it takes two people to have a conversation and the Spurs are not the Cavs who gave away there PG for nothing. He did mentione they didn't trade him to the team he demanded he went to Boston.........

So basically he says Spurs have more control then what people think.

Ya Jalens take got me interested. He also stated it appears PG will resign with Okc when it was supposed to be a one year rental. His point, players dont like moving around & its always about money.

That Max guy on the other hand was laughable. He pretty much said Kawhi rejected the supermax, so in turn took out all the monetary considerations & basically said he would be a laker even as an FA.

[baseline bum]

There's another reason to keep Kawhi.

Kawhi did not just take $19 million for not playing last season, he sought to tarnish the heretofore good reputation of the Spurs as well.

If the Spurs act with class while Kawhi sits out another year, the situation, and who is to blame, will become apparent to even the most delusional.

The good guys and bad guys will become apparent -- the Spurs' reputation is worth it above and beyond all other considerations.

No one will give a shit if Leonard starts winning just like everyone forgot how much of a cancer Rodman was throwing WCF games to get his exit out of town.

[RGMCSE]

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Completely agree. This is the post of the day, tbh.

:toast

[Lostwingman]

No one will give a shit if Leonard starts winning just like everyone forgot how much of a cancer Rodman was throwing WCF games to get his exit out of town.

Which is why I wouldn't feel bad if whatever happens ends up torpedoing his career. Him quitting on the team for retarded "leverage" should never be forgotten and seen as the turning point in his career. Where the FMVP used to be seen as the pivot to THE guy on the spurs, this should hopefully be his fade into mediocrity.

[offset formation]

I wouldn't do that. I would just say Leonard's not a part of this team's future so is being held out pending a trade. No reason to make up stories.

Spite. It's in the bible, don't ya know? And it's sweet justice, richly deserved in that asshat's case.

[baseline bum]

Suspending him doesn't increase his trade value, it gives him an opt out from criticism and it makes the Spurs look bad. If they don't trade him then have him play, if he sits out then it only hurts his future earnings and makes him look even worse.

You think Kawhi is just going to sit out the season if suspended. I don't. He cares about endorsement money, which he won't be making when he's not on the floor. He is a basketball nut, it'll drive him crazy missing another year. I think it's the only way to get him to accept a trade to more teams. I think it's pretty much the only move the Spurs have to try to get any kind of leverage in this situation. And if it fails oh well, the Spurs miss out on getting a couple of crap players and cost Leonard money as well as a year of his prime if he doesn't value either. I cannot advocate just giving him away only so you can say you got something and I do not ever want to see him in a Spurs uniform again since it's not the Spurs responsibility to get him ready to hit the ground running with his next team.

[baseline bum]

Which is why I wouldn't feel bad if whatever happens ends up torpedoing his career. Him quitting on the team for retarded "leverage" should never be forgotten and seen as the turning point in his career. Where the FMVP used to be seen as the pivot to THE guy on the spurs, this should hopefully be his fade into mediocrity.

He won't fade into mediocrity. He's a top 3 player who held out for a season over a minor injury. He didn't blow out his knee or tear his achilles.

[baseline bum]

Spite. It's in the bible, don't ya know? And it's sweet justice, richly deserved in that asshat's case.

The spite is just a bonus. If the Lakers had Tatum and were offering him and a halfway decent pick I'd trade Leonard there on draft night. But I don't think you give Kawhi away under any circumstance.

[exstatic]

If he doesnt want to be here, why prolong the agony????

From Good Will Hunting:

Will: “He used to just put a belt, a stick, and a wrench on the kitchen table and say, ‘Choose.’”
Sean: “Well, I gotta go with the belt there.”
Will: “I used to go with the wrench.”
Sean: “Why?”
Will: “’Cause fuck him. That’s why.”

[baseline bum]

From Good Will Hunting:

Will: “He used to just put a belt, a stick, and a wrench on the kitchen table and say, ‘Choose.’”
Sean: “Well, I gotta go with the belt there.”
Will: “I used to go with the wrench.”
Sean: “Why?”
Will: “’Cause fuck him. That’s why.”

:lmao

[offset formation]

Im all for watching Kawhi rot if we don't get an exciting offer.

Maybe that's not practical, but it would feel good.

Maybe some of you are finally feeling me? I've been saying for months now he should be shipped off to Milwaukee for whatever picks and players ypu can extract. No way he re-signs. So he'll lose another $49 million. That is sweet, rich, wonderful karma if you, like me believe his uncle's greedy motivations precipitated this whole mess to begin with.

Send him somewhere hideous. Get the best you can. Profit.

[spurs10]

The smart play is to wait.

But I just don't think Pop will have the stomach to wait this shit out until February. The constant questions, the media scrutiny, the back and forth with his group, etc.

He's probably so over this shit, with his wife, Timmy gone, Manu gone, TP being terrible...he's going to want to rip the band-aid off as soon as possible. Might help him decide if he wants to retire now or hand the reins over to Messina. Yeah, but I don't think Pop will be reactionary, I think he'll listen to offers and decide if something looks good or not. I also think the $19 million we gave him last season will play into his decision. If Pop says 'no' then Kawhi has the ball in his court and it will be in SA.


If he doesnt want to be here, why prolong the agony???? I get what your saying, but nothing will be more agonizing than a lopsided horrible trade. It's just the idea of there being little out there to trade him for and they won't feel compelled to do him some big favor after the $19 million dollar loss of last season. It's actually a lot more than that if you look at the overall damage. Kawhi will lose two years, in a relatively brief career, if he doesn't lace up his shoes and play like his life depended on it.

[Play Boban]

Weve heard for years that the spurs med team is top notch one of if not the leagues best group. The Spurs have always been at the forefront of training and techniques to help the player. Example Pop monitoring minutes/ back2backs. Instituting naps into their pregame agenda, and consulting with medical experts on mental health etc. the fact that you had a player tear his quad and recover in record time and play most of the season compared to a fucking so called quad bruise and missing an entire season is laughable. Dude quit and I can’t believe it. I thought he had shades of an all time great.
:wow Truth bomb :wow

[cutewizard]

Which is why I wouldn't feel bad if whatever happens ends up torpedoing his career. Him quitting on the team for retarded "leverage" should never be forgotten and seen as the turning point in his career. Where the FMVP used to be seen as the pivot to THE guy on the spurs, this should hopefully be his fade into mediocrity.

I also agree. May he fade away and fall from the pedestal of the exceptional.

[rasuo214]

You think Kawhi is just going to sit out the season if suspended. I don't. He cares about endorsement money, which he won't be making when he's not on the floor. He is a basketball nut, it'll drive him crazy missing another year. I think it's the only way to get him to accept a trade to more teams. I think it's pretty much the only move the Spurs have to try to get any kind of leverage in this situation. And if it fails oh well, the Spurs miss out on getting a couple of crap players and cost Leonard money as well as a year of his prime if he doesn't value either. I cannot advocate just giving him away only so you can say you got something and I do not ever want to see him in a Spurs uniform again since it's not the Spurs responsibility to get him ready to hit the ground running with his next team.

He doesn't have control over what teams offer and they'll be less inclined to offer more if he's sitting out. AFAIK there isn't a list of teams of that he'll extend with just a preference of destinations. If he plays and shows he's healthy then that increases his value.

I'm not sure if it was you that I had this discussion with but sometimes taking the less than ideal package isn't the worst thing. It worked out great for the Pacers and pretty good for the Bulls. Just need to get an appealing package and disregard whether it is perceived as good enough value.

[cutewizard]

Heres hoping there is a Spurs personnel development move soon....

Esp about the influx of new personnel.

IM SICK AND TIRED OF THE KAWHI DRAMA.

We Spurs fans deserve better.

[FkLA]

Fuck that fucking piece of shit. Let him rot for a year. He talks about wanting to be great, wanting go down as a legend. Take that shit away from him.

[Lostwingman]

He won't fade into mediocrity. He's a top 3 player who held out for a season over a minor injury. He didn't blow out his knee or tear his achilles.
Does a top 3 player pull this kind of bs? Does a top 3 player have the social skills of a dysfunctional child? Does a top 3 player pout and quit on an entire season to create a bargaining chip? I'll admit, I'm hoping he goes to a bigger market where he'll be less coddled just to watch him crumble. He's never even played a full season or had a healthy season. Color me not impressed with his mentality and character. I'd love to see him on a dysfunctional franchise like PHX after this.

I feel a bit like I'm rambling but I hope the flaws in his character transfer over into his ability to produce on the court.

[marinoman]

From Good Will Hunting:

Will: “He used to just put a belt, a stick, and a wrench on the kitchen table and say, ‘Choose.’”
Sean: “Well, I gotta go with the belt there.”
Will: “I used to go with the wrench.”
Sean: “Why?”
Will: “’Cause fuck him. That’s why.”
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[Ron Swanson]

From Good Will Hunting:

Will: “He used to just put a belt, a stick, and a wrench on the kitchen table and say, ‘Choose.’”
Sean: “Well, I gotta go with the belt there.”
Will: “I used to go with the wrench.”
Sean: “Why?”
Will: “’Cause fuck him. That’s why.”

https://media.giphy.com/media/5hHOBKJ8lw9OM/giphy.gif

[marinoman]

20 million spent on spite:

https://media.giphy.com/media/65os7odbIW6pa/giphy.gif

[BackHome]

I am tired of this drama just trade him and be done but I understand we getting what we getting we ain't playing.

Now is the time to also getting rid of Forbes, Paul, Anderson, and Tony and look at trading Gasol and Mills.

[picnroll]

The claim was that Leonard had/has myositis ossification. That condition is not difficult to diagnose with an MRI which is done in these athletes like candy is passed out on Halloween. I call bullshit on Leonard and his orchestrating group, fuckers nothing but a malingering bitch. Let him rot in NY another year and sue him, his uncle and their sorry asses.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs have leverage with remaining year under contract and Bird rights. No rush.

At some point though, if he's still not ready to play in spite of all evidence, then yes, suspension is in order.

[Marcus Bryant]

Boston or Philly make most sense as trade partners, both can put together an attractive return, you move him out of the West and you can also create a little bidding war between the two rivals.

[BackHome]

A healthy Kawhi cleared by all Dr. No way in Hell is Ainge going to want to loose out on that trade and him going to Flakers or even worse Philly. They are multiple teams that are going to feel Kawhi out and put packages that will involve their own team and even three way deals if possible. I just hope this shit gets figured out by draft night.

[Marcus Bryant]

At this point, fuck him. His marketability is limited because he comes across as a deaf mute. Players get endorsement deals in today's NBA despite playing in smaller markets. His group seems like the keystone cops and there's some rather transparent collusion going on with the Lakers. The past weekend with the intended diss with the trade demand leak was only intended to embarrass the Spurs and force their hand. It's silly because the last thing the Spurs are going to do after that is give him and his group what they want.

[Marcus Bryant]

Does a top 3 player pull this kind of bs? Does a top 3 player have the social skills of a dysfunctional child? Does a top 3 player pout and quit on an entire season to create a bargaining chip? I'll admit, I'm hoping he goes to a bigger market where he'll be less coddled just to watch him crumble. He's never even played a full season or had a healthy season. Color me not impressed with his mentality and character. I'd love to see him on a dysfunctional franchise like PHX after this.

I feel a bit like I'm rambling but I hope the flaws in his character transfer over into his ability to produce on the court.

Yeah this episode has been revealing. Regardless if he wants out, to not play in the playoffs when you're (really) good to go is bullshit when thinking about great players of today, before thinking of prior generations. Also every team out there is going to wonder is he going to pull this shit again if he's on their roster. The truth about what really happened will get out.

[Budkin]

They should be in absolutely no rush whatsoever to do anything. Let it play out the rest of the summer. Make him come to training camp. Make him actually have to face the music with the media. Play in the preseason and yes even have to play quite a few games in the Spurs uniform next year. Or he can sit out another season and then see if anybody wants to sign him after that. I would be in no rush to trade him anywhere.

This. No rush. Make him sweat.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe 25 years ago an act like this to force a trade after being paid $20 mil to play 9 games would've gone over well, but I suspect this will have damaged his value somewhat. He is getting some bad advice, regardless if you want a trade if you can play, you play. Trying to claim the Spurs are not doing everything they can for your health and career is ludicrous. I remain surprised that it's come to this, but the Spurs are in a position to cash in with a trade and move on.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LD8933-BsA

Spurs have until October 16 to get Kawhi to sign the Supermax, if they want to salvage this.

[Chinook]

Honestly, I like Jackson, and Phoenix have a bunch of picks that could end up being good players to used in further trades (both of the rebuilding and reloading kind). They should also be able to take back Mills' salary. I agree with Harlem that it really just comes down to PATFO thinking someone else on the Suns' roster is worth a shit, whether that be Chriss, Bender, Warren (:lol) or one of their less-mentioned guys. It's not hard to beat offers like Ingram and shitty-ass Kuzma, and Philly only has a real shot if PATFO loves Fultz. Boston has a chance to make a great offer, but they won't, because they got it in their heads that Tatum and Brown are stars and made the mistake of paying a max contract to a guy they hope ends up being their third-best wing. Phoenix, even without including first-overall, could win the day.

16, 32, MKE and MIA picks along with swaps in 2019 and 2020, Jackson, Chandler and Bender for Kawhi, Mills and Pau. Provided someone good falls to 16, it could easily be the best possible deal in a few years.

[Marcus Bryant]

You think Kawhi is just going to sit out the season if suspended. I don't. He cares about endorsement money, which he won't be making when he's not on the floor. He is a basketball nut, it'll drive him crazy missing another year. I think it's the only way to get him to accept a trade to more teams. I think it's pretty much the only move the Spurs have to try to get any kind of leverage in this situation. And if it fails oh well, the Spurs miss out on getting a couple of crap players and cost Leonard money as well as a year of his prime if he doesn't value either. I cannot advocate just giving him away only so you can say you got something and I do not ever want to see him in a Spurs uniform again since it's not the Spurs responsibility to get him ready to hit the ground running with his next team.

Yeah, I don't see any reconciliation at this point. This past weekend was meant to be a fuck you to the Spurs by his camp.

At some point they'll figure out that was stupid. Trade his ass to Milwaukee or Indiana and then unload all the dirt about him sitting out for no good reason.

[Lostwingman]

Forgetting Kawhi for the moment, what would be the worst outcome for uncle Dennis's little agency start up?

[cutewizard]

Yeah this episode has been revealing. Regardless if he wants out, to not play in the playoffs when you're (really) good to go is bullshit when thinking about great players of today, before thinking of prior generations. Also every team out there is going to wonder is he going to pull this shit again if he's on their roster. The truth about what really happened will get out.

Either way, Kawhi loses somewhat in his legacy.

Greatness is measued in intangible as well as tangible ways.

Russell, Jordan, Thomas, Robinson, Duncan .....would never contemplate the deception of Kawhis group.

Shame on Kawhis group.

[Marcus Bryant]

Losing his blood relative money and damaging his rep.

[cutewizard]

Maybe 25 years ago an act like this to force a trade after being paid $20 mil to play 9 games would've gone over well, but I suspect this will have damaged his value somewhat. He is getting some bad advice, regardless if you want a trade if you can play, you play. Trying to claim the Spurs are not doing everything they can for your health and career is ludicrous. I remain surprised that it's come to this, but the Spurs are in a position to cash in with a trade and move on.

Totally agree.

[cutewizard]

Good Sirs, what happens to deserters in an army??

[Marcus Bryant]

Unless the Spurs were hardcore positioning to not pay Leonard the supermax, this looks like a major error on his part.

Even if you want a trade, why create such doubt about your health and give the Spurs and anyone else a reason to not max you? Now you just burned a bridge, the one path to a lot more $. Plus you just gave the Spurs all the reason to not work with you. I would not be surprised to see him end up with a cold weather small market team in the East.

[Chinook]

Listening to some to the shit out there is just sickening. Like why would PATFO be gloating to Woj about how much leverage they thought they had over Kawhi to the point that they "overplayed their hand"? Maybe, just maybe, saying they weren't giving Leonard the DPE wasn't a ploy, but them honestly drawing the line in the sand. Maybe Kawhi's team freaking out about the Spurs' stance is there way of playing their own hands and trying to force PATFO to give them what they want. And maybe, just maybe, when Kawhi gets traded to Phoenix and forever loses out on the DPE, his group will go "oh shit, we overplayed our hand".

Despite all the bullshit we hear, the Spurs are not new to contract disputes or guys wanting out. Leonard's team, on the other hand, are new to all this and clearly very naive. If anyone should be accused of making a tactical error, it should be them, not PATFO. But that wouldn't get as many clicks.

[Marcus Bryant]

https://g.co/kgs/CZZJ3u

tbh

[tbdog]

Listening to some to the shit out there is just sickening. Like why would PATFO be gloating to Woj about how much leverage they thought they had over Kawhi to the point that they "overplayed their hand"? Maybe, just maybe, saying they weren't giving Leonard the DPE wasn't a ploy, but them honestly drawing the line in the sand. Maybe Kawhi's team freaking out about the Spurs' stance is there way of playing their own hands and trying to force PATFO to give them what they want. And maybe, just maybe, when Kawhi gets traded to Phoenix and forever loses out on the DPE, his group will go "oh shit, we overplayed our hand".

Despite all the bullshit we hear, the Spurs are not new to contract disputes or guys wanting out. Leonard's team, on the other hand, are new to all this and clearly very naive. If anyone should be accused of making a tactical error, it should be them, not PATFO. But that wouldn't get as many clicks.

Exactly. How can anyone not see Leonard's group is playing a game that's way above their head. Tricks are for kids! (https://youtu.be/Q5Jnw4IsztU?t=43)

[Chillen]

If I was Spurs unless some ridiculous offer comes their way that is to good to refuse I would just hold onto Leonard wether he wants to be a San Antonio Spur or not. At least wait to the trade deadline and see how this all evolves. Don't let the media or anyone put pressure on you to trade Kawhi so the LA Lakers superteam forms, lol.

So keep him see how far he takes this and trade him at the deadline if he won't play. Spurs have more leverage than the media pundits realize they have no obligation to trade him now because he is disgruntled. His job is to suit up and play basketball and help his team win.

If they won't offer him the supermax I can't blame the Spurs one bit.

Regardless if they have issues with him next season or he won't play they have to get what they can for him by the NBA trade deadline. Only trade him now if the offer is to good to refuse, otherwise let him stay a Spur for next season.

[r0drig0lac]

I'm not giving him away to anyone. If the offers remain crap by the trade deadline he can miss the entire season. The main point of suspending him would be to light a fire under Uncle Dennis' ass to make a preferred team come correct with a legitimate trade proposal that's not a complete fucking under the assumption Leonard will go nuts not getting onto a basketball court this year. Though it would be funny to fuck him over the same way he did the Spurs. That would be so much better than selling your BMW for $100.

x1000

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I don't see any reconciliation at this point. This past weekend was meant to be a fuck you to the Spurs by his camp.

At some point they'll figure out that was stupid. Trade his ass to Milwaukee or Indiana and then unload all the dirt about him sitting out for no good reason.

Milwaukee or Indiana can't offer anything of value. I'd sit his ass in San Diego for a year before I'd give him away for nothing. If he wants to play next year he better convince some teams with good assets to offer that he'll play longterm for them.

[r0drig0lac]

At this point, fuck him. His marketability is limited because he comes across as a deaf mute. Players get endorsement deals in today's NBA despite playing in smaller markets. His group seems like the keystone cops and there's some rather transparent collusion going on with the Lakers. The past weekend with the intended diss with the trade demand leak was only intended to embarrass the Spurs and force their hand. It's silly because the last thing the Spurs are going to do after that is give him and his group what they want.
agree




Forgetting Kawhi for the moment, what would be the worst outcome for uncle Dennis's little agency start up?

if Kawhi (and Dennis) is really forcing that shit for almost a year, a serious injury in his debut for the lolkers in 2019 would be what I call karma

[Twisted_Dawg]

No one will give a shit if Leonard starts winning just like everyone forgot how much of a cancer Rodman was throwing WCF games to get his exit out of town.

Not many Spur fans can recall Rodman throwing those WCF games.:toast

[Twisted_Dawg]

He won't fade into mediocrity. He's a top 3 player who held out for a season over a minor injury. He didn't blow out his knee or tear his achilles.

He might have been a top 3 player 2014-2016, but there are no guarantees he'll return to that form with the degenerative knee issues and fragile mental make up playing under a new coach in a new system with new teamates. I'd say there is a good chance this guy has peaked.

[spursistan]

1008895724132675585

Wouldn't be surprised if Magic has been tampering all along. The genesis of the NBA next Super-team, with a nod from Adam Silver, is taking shape as we speak. They are so desperate to revive that pathetic franchise.

I would forever lose respect for Pop and co. if they grant this faggot and his clown handlers their wish..

[DPG21920]

Honestly, I like Jackson, and Phoenix have a bunch of picks that could end up being good players to used in further trades (both of the rebuilding and reloading kind). They should also be able to take back Mills' salary. I agree with Harlem that it really just comes down to PATFO thinking someone else on the Suns' roster is worth a shit, whether that be Chriss, Bender, Warren (:lol) or one of their less-mentioned guys. It's not hard to beat offers like Ingram and shitty-ass Kuzma, and Philly only has a real shot if PATFO loves Fultz. Boston has a chance to make a great offer, but they won't, because they got it in their heads that Tatum and Brown are stars and made the mistake of paying a max contract to a guy they hope ends up being their third-best wing. Phoenix, even without including first-overall, could win the day.

16, 32, MKE and MIA picks along with swaps in 2019 and 2020, Jackson, Chandler and Bender for Kawhi, Mills and Pau. Provided someone good falls to 16, it could easily be the best possible deal in a few years.

I agree with all of this. I think if SA or Bret Brown loved Fultz PHI could land him but I think the fact we aren’t hearing anything shows you what they all think of Fultz (or Kawhi’s health).

I love Jackson and so does SA - it’s just a matter of the rest because BOS isn’t serious yet, LA doesn’t have the assets and no one else seems to step up.

Maybe if LA stepped up and engaged PHX where PHX gives up Josh + 16 for Lonzo + 25 and SA gets Ingram/Kuz/Jackson + 16 and LA gets Kawhi? I don’t know.

But Josh is my top prospect outside of Tatum/Brown by far.

[picnroll]

Out of all this the only thing that will piss me off about the Spurs handling of Leonard and his group is if they don’t blow Leonard’s ass story out of the water when the dust settles.

[DPG21920]

Also, I really really hope Bron AND Paul George go to the Lakers. That way Kawhi can’t get to LA without them doing something crazy or him giving up even more money going from DPE 219M —-> 185M if traded w/bird rights ——-> 145M if he walks in free agency ——>taking less than that max because LA signed Bron/PG with their cap space and can’t get to his max.

[Killakobe81]

Milwaukee or Indiana can't offer anything of value. I'd sit his ass in San Diego for a year before I'd give him away for nothing. If he wants to play next year he better convince some teams with good assets to offer that he'll play longterm for them.

I get not giving him what he wants.
I get not accepting a poo-poo platter for your best player.
Not sure I get the "scorch the earth mentality" of being viindictive and making him sit and let him walk for nothing.
Not only does that sends next year's team a playoff team down in flames but cause teh kind of side/shit show the Spurs have shown no tolerance for.

We can argue back and forth on fair value. I like Jaylen brown but if ainge is not even willing to trade him after teh way he wet the bed in the ECF ... then maybe KL's value isnt what it was.
Everyone playing the "well he is a top 3 player" ...No, he wasn't based on LAST season. Before that? Sure. I thought he ws the 3rd best SF and #rd best player and tbh he and durant were debatable.

Again, not saying you should take crap.
But Spur fan is being unrealistic, and seem willing to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Also draft picks after the top 10 are every overrated. For every Mitchell found there are dozens of dozens of fringe players and even players no longer in the league.

IF i am the Spurs, I need a top prospect, a 1st rounder and decent replacement player, but you guys are asking for things like Suns #1 Jackson and #16 just because Cavs were dumb enough to trade #1 for Love. Sure Cavs won that trade because they rang but in most cases you will not get especially if the #1 pick has tremendous upside.

I dont want ainge or anyone else besides the Lakers to rape yall .(ha!).. but you guys are expecting a Pau gasol type swindle and not sure you can get that.

Also the BMW for a $100 is a false equivalency. I dont like josh jackson the way DPG does ... but saying he is like trading a BMW in for $100 is crazy talk.

That BMW has cracked axle, a owner who allowed his crackhead uncle to take the wheel, and is smog modified to drive in California. Doesnt mean you take a hundred ...but you aint getting Kelly Blue book value eitther ...which you almost never do for a star player or a BMW even if the car/player is in pristine condition.

[baseline bum]

I agree with all of this. I think if SA or Bret Brown loved Fultz PHI could land him but I think the fact we aren’t hearing anything shows you what they all think of Fultz (or Kawhi’s health).

I love Jackson and so does SA - it’s just a matter of the rest because BOS isn’t serious yet, LA doesn’t have the assets and no one else seems to step up.

Maybe if LA stepped up and engaged PHX where PHX gives up Josh + 16 for Lonzo + 25 and SA gets Ingram/Kuz/Jackson + 16 and LA gets Kawhi? I don’t know.

But Josh is my top prospect outside of Tatum/Brown by far.

Since when do you hear anything before the Spurs make a move though? They have been pretty tight lipped ever since they lost out on Krstic at the draft that year.

[DPG21920]

Since when do you hear anything before the Spurs make a move though? They have been pretty tight lipped ever since they lost out on Krstic at the draft that year.

I’m not saying it’s a lock, but between hearing things & seeing things and using some logic sprinkled in there seems to be a picture. Nothing is set in stone and things change though and I’m hoping SA holds out for something more or can at least dump Mills/Pau if they cant get more picks.

[DPG21920]

I get not giving him what he wants.
I get not accepting a poo-poo platter for your best player.
Not sure I get the "scorch the earth mentality" of being viindictive and making him sit and let him walk for nothing.
Not only does that sends next year's team a playoff team down in flames but cause teh kind of side/shit show the Spurs have shown no tolerance for.

We can argue back and forth on fair value. I like Jaylen brown but if ainge is not even willing to trade him after teh way he wet the bed in the ECF ... then maybe KL's value isnt what it was.
Everyone playing the "well he is a top 3 player" ...No, he wasn't based on LAST season. Before that? Sure. I thought he ws the 3rd best SF and #rd best player and tbh he and durant were debatable.

Again, not saying you should take crap.
But Spur fan is being unrealistic, and seem willing to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Also draft picks after the top 10 are every overrated. For every Mitchell found there are dozens of dozens of fringe players and even players no longer in the league.

IF i am the Spurs, I need a top prospect, a 1st rounder and decent replacement player, but you guys are asking for things like Suns #1 Jackson and #16 just because Cavs were dumb enough to trade #1 for Love. Sure Cavs won that trade because they rang but in most cases you will not get especially if the #1 pick has tremendous upside.

I dont want ainge or anyone else besides the Lakers to rape yall .(ha!).. but you guys are expecting a Pau gasol type swindle and not sure you can get that.

Also the BMW for a $100 is a false equivalency. I dont like josh jackson the way DPG does ... but saying he is like trading a BMW in for $100 is crazy talk.

That BMW has cracked axle, a owner who allowed his crackhead uncle to take the wheel, and is smog modified to drive in California. Doesnt mean you take a hundred ...but you aint getting Kelly Blue book value eitther ...which you almost never do for a star player or a BMW even if the car/player is in pristine condition.

I disagree with the #1 pick logic. CLE got Love for #1 who was Wiggins and clearly won. HOU got James Harden for less but look at them. Landing even a CHANCE at a legit franchise superstar has to be valued insanely high.

Every team that has got that rare chance either via free agency or trade: KD to GS, Harden to HOU, Love (not in this same boat but still) to CLE - THEY HAVE ALL COME OUT ON TOP.

[Killakobe81]

I agree with all of this. I think if SA or Bret Brown loved Fultz PHI could land him but I think the fact we aren’t hearing anything shows you what they all think of Fultz (or Kawhi’s health).

I love Jackson and so does SA - it’s just a matter of the rest because BOS isn’t serious yet, LA doesn’t have the assets and no one else seems to step up.

Maybe if LA stepped up and engaged PHX where PHX gives up Josh + 16 for Lonzo + 25 and SA gets Ingram/Kuz/Jackson + 16 and LA gets Kawhi? I don’t know.

But Josh is my top prospect outside of Tatum/Brown by far.

This Josh Jackson love affair is comical.
I think he still has upside ... but overrated by Deeps.
Whatever.
I Really do hope yall hold on to him PG signs max with OKC .. Bron still comes and LAkers threat still looms not only for KL but for Klay etc.
I dont really want to give up Ingram without assurance KL is healthy anyways.

And if ainge wont give up Jaylen and even teh dumb ass Clips have concerns about Kl's health I hope yall enjoy the shit show this season...

AndI Will will be honest I dont even mind another year of the youth movement. Im just glad Lakers have the league shook again. We havent signed anybody yet still haven't made the playoffs, have the shitty state tax and still some of you would rather let KL rot then let him come to the Lakers.

Good to be relevant and players again. and unlike most Laker fans I am cool with waiting this out even if Bron and PG stay where they are. I had concerns about Paying PG the max anayways.

[baseline bum]

I get not giving him what he wants.
I get not accepting a poo-poo platter for your best player.
Not sure I get the "scorch the earth mentality" of being viindictive and making him sit and let him walk for nothing.
Not only does that sends next year's team a playoff team down in flames but cause teh kind of side/shit show the Spurs have shown no tolerance for.

We can argue back and forth on fair value. I like Jaylen brown but if ainge is not even willing to trade him after teh way he wet the bed in the ECF ... then maybe KL's value isnt what it was.
Everyone playing the "well he is a top 3 player" ...No, he wasn't based on LAST season. Before that? Sure. I thought he ws the 3rd best SF and #rd best player and tbh he and durant were debatable.

Again, not saying you should take crap.
But Spur fan is being unrealistic, and seem willing to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Also draft picks after the top 10 are every overrated. For every Mitchell found there are dozens of dozens of fringe players and even players no longer in the league.

IF i am the Spurs, I need a top prospect, a 1st rounder and decent replacement player, but you guys are asking for things like Suns #1 Jackson and #16 just because Cavs were dumb enough to trade #1 for Love. Sure Cavs won that trade because they rang but in most cases you will not get especially if the #1 pick has tremendous upside.

I dont want ainge or anyone else besides the Lakers to rape yall .(ha!).. but you guys are expecting a Pau gasol type swindle and not sure you can get that.

Also the BMW for a $100 is a false equivalency. I dont like josh jackson the way DPG does ... but saying he is like trading a BMW in for $100 is crazy talk.

That BMW has cracked axle, a owner who allowed his crackhead uncle to take the wheel, and is smog modified to drive in California. Doesnt mean you take a hundred ...but you aint getting Kelly Blue book value eitther ...which you almost never do for a star player or a BMW even if the car/player is in pristine condition.

You are saying just take a crap offer. I'm saying fuck what Leonard wants, if he wants to play hardball and depress his trade value I play hardball back and depress his endorsement earnings and keep him off the floor in the hopes he gives in and accepts a trade to more teams, thus raising his market value. The Spurs shouldn't give Leonard away since he is the only thing they have of any value that can be used for rebuilding the team. I don't understand why you seem to think not taking complete crap in exchange is equivalent to demanding a Gasol trade in the Spurs favor. The BMW doesn't have a cracked axle, it has a low tire. And Kelley Blue Book value for Leonard would be an MVP candidate in his prime. No one is expecting that since the Spurs have little leverage right now. The offers Manu4Tres posted are getting offered $100 for the BMW.

[picnroll]

Spurs can’t bend over for Leonard. They need to send a message to agents of future players they can’t pull the crap Leonard has and get succeed without paying a heavy price.

[Killakobe81]

I disagree with the #1 pick logic. CLE got Love for #1 who was Wiggins and clearly won. HOU got James Harden for less but look at them. Landing even a CHANCE at a legit franchise superstar has to be valued insanely high.

Every team that has got that rare chance either via free agency or trade: KD to GS, Harden to HOU, Love (not in this same boat but still) to CLE - THEY HAVE ALL COME OUT ON TOP.

None of those players missed the season before with injury.
I knwo you guys are fully buying PATFO he was fine and not injured but that is why we are here in the first place.
You can scream he is healthy but fact is he only played 9 games. Looked good but not KL MVP good.

The most recent data doesnt support him at teh value you are stating. Again Dont get raped but dont be unrealistic either.

[DPG21920]

This Josh Jackson love affair is comical.
I think he still has upside ... but overrated by Deeps.
Whatever.
I Really do hope yall hold on to him PG signs max with OKC .. Bron still comes and LAkers threat still looms not only for KL but for Klay etc.
I dont really want to give up Ingram without assurance KL is healthy anyways.

And if ainge wont give up Jaylen and even teh dumb ass Clips have concerns about Kl's health I hope yall enjoy the shit show this season...

AndI Will will be honest I dont even mind another year of the youth movement. Im just glad Lakers have the league shook again. We havent signed anybody yet still haven't made the playoffs, have the shitty state tax and still some of you would rather let KL rot then let him come to the Lakers.

Good to be relevant and players again. and unlike most Laker fans I am cool with waiting this out even if Bron and PG stay where they are. I had concerns about Paying PG the max anayways.

What will be interesting is if Lebron comes to LA (very likely IMO) but PG does not. Even though I agree with you and dont love PG, the fact he wanted LA and LA seemingly wanted him but LA didn’t pull the trigger and let another team convince him to stay?

That would be a bit of a PR nightmare and have to bolster a team trading for Kawhi’s thoughts that money matters and you can convince him to stay. LA would be taking some big risk if they don’t really try to trade for KL assuming they lost PG whether we agree on his value/impact.

Even if LA feels Kawhi is different than PG and he will walk to them no matter what in free agency, letting him go to another team opens up the door to injuries, convincing him to stay, etc...

Just a wild scenario

[Killakobe81]

You are saying just take a crap offer. I'm saying fuck what Leonard wants, if he wants to play hardball and depress his trade value I play hardball back and depress his endorsement earnings and keep him off the floor in the hopes he gives in and accepts a trade to more teams, thus raising his market value. The Spurs shouldn't give Leonard away since he is the only thing they have of any value that can be used for rebuilding the team. I don't understand why you seem to think not taking complete crap in exchange is equivalent to demanding a Gasol trade in the Spurs favor. The BMW doesn't have a cracked axle, it has a low tire. And Kelley Blue Book value for Leonard would be an MVP candidate in his prime. No one is expecting that since the Spurs have little leverage right now. The offers Manu4Tres posted are getting offered $100 for the BMW.

Nope. I was insisting on Tatum which is far from crap. But if ainge won't even consider Brown?!!! Then ainge is setting the market. Brown, Jackson, fultz to me are all in teh same tier as far as my personal opinion. I think ingram will be better than that group but doesnt warrant same value as Tatum.

We will see how it all plays out. But I am also willing to bet Ingram will end up being a better overall player than Josh Jackson, saric or Fultz and willing to bet ELE, sig avvy on it if you wish.

[baseline bum]

I knwo you guys are fully buying PATFO he was fine and not injured but that is why we are here in the first place.


Well I'm taking the word of doctors and not the word of his freeloading uncle.

[DPG21920]

None of those players missed the season before with injury.
I knwo you guys are fully buying PATFO he was fine and not injured but that is why we are here in the first place.
You can scream he is healthy but fact is he only played 9 games. Looked good but not KL MVP good.

The most recent data doesnt support him at teh value you are stating. Again Dont get raped but dont be unrealistic either.

I’m not even screaming he’s healthy, but even then he’s still an all-star at worse. If he’s fully healthy he’s league MVP good. If he’s just what we saw for 9 games, then he’s an all-star still.

But if Kawhi is damaged goods why would SA keep him then and getting anything for him is great.

[DPG21920]

Nope. I was insisting on Tatum which is far from crap. But if ainge won't even consider Brown?!!! Then ainge is setting the market. Brown, Jackson, fultz to me are all in teh same tier as far as my personal opinion. I think ingram will be better than that group but doesnt warrant same value as Tatum.

We will see how it all plays out. But I am also willing to bet Ingram will end up being a better overall player than Josh Jackson, saric or Fultz and willing to bet ELE, sig avvy on it if you wish.

I’m thinking SA should end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16. LA gets Kawhi, PHX gets Lonzo + 25.

[baseline bum]

Nope. I was insisting on Tatum which is far from crap. But if ainge won't even consider Brown?!!! Then ainge is setting the market. Brown, Jackson, fultz to me are all in teh same tier as far as my personal opinion. I think ingram will be better than that group but doesnt warrant same value as Tatum.

We will see how it all plays out. But I am also willing to bet Ingram will end up being a better overall player than Josh Jackson, saric or Fultz and willing to bet ELE, sig avvy on it if you wish.

You don't trade him in that market. You wait for the Lakers to use their capspace because there is no way LeBron is going to ok wasting a year of his prime on holding a $30 million max slot open for Kawhi until summer 2019. Then you have a better market for trading Leonard. If that market still sucks then you play hardball with Leonard's 2018-19 season in the hopes he blinks and then you have a better market. The current market is such shit I don't mind taking the chance of losing him for nothing if it doesn't improve.

[r0drig0lac]

I’m thinking SA should end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16. LA gets Kawhi, PHX gets Lonzo + 25.

not bad imo

[Killakobe81]

What will be interesting is if Lebron comes to LA (very likely IMO) but PG does not. Even though I agree with you and dont love PG, the fact he wanted LA and LA seemingly wanted him but LA didn’t pull the trigger and let another team convince him to stay?

That would be a bit of a PR nightmare and have to bolster a team trading for Kawhi’s thoughts that money matters and you can convince him to stay. LA would be taking some big risk if they don’t really try to trade for KL assuming they lost PG whether we agree on his value/impact.

Even if LA feels Kawhi is different than PG and he will walk to them no matter what in free agency, letting him go to another team opens up the door to injuries, convincing him to stay, etc...

Just a wild scenario

I just hate the its this year or else narrative.
Just like you guys dont want to be raped by ainge or anyone else.
I am not sure giving up all our assets for KL is that smart.
He wasnt healthy last year and we need some talent on cheap contracts ... to support whomever we get.

But I get you guys want good value for KL just think you over over estimating it and but hey I may be over estimating Ingram.
Good things is we will know teh answers to both by the all star break next year who was right or wrong.

[Killakobe81]

I’m not even screaming he’s healthy, but even then he’s still an all-star at worse. If he’s fully healthy he’s league MVP good. If he’s just what we saw for 9 games, then he’s an all-star still.

But if Kawhi is damaged goods why would SA keep him then and getting anything for him is great.

1. agreed he was stll an all-star.
2. Not sure he is damaged goods that is the risk Spurs or new team faces
3. Did/will Spurs offer supermax? IF so you assume healthy. IF not assume major conerns about health/attitude whatever.

[DPG21920]

I don’t think it has to be all this year or bust, but saying you leave yourself open to landing great players if you hold on. How many times does a PG/Kawhi level player become available? If you miss out, you usually end up doing something dumb for a worse (but maybe still good) player.

Maybe LA gets Bron and trades for Lillard and don’t want PG or Kawhi?

[Killakobe81]

I don’t think it has to be all this year or bust, but saying you leave yourself open to landing great players if you hold on. How many times does a PG/Kawhi level player become available? If you miss out, you usually end up doing something dumb for a worse (but maybe still good) player.

Maybe LA gets Bron and trades for Lillard and don’t want PG or Kawhi?

Possible.
IF KL was 100% healthy I give up plenty to get him.
PG is better than anyone we got but are we trully missing out on that much?
We chose not to trade Ingram for him last year.
Ingram can probably get close to his numbers at a much lower price.

Agree a healthy KL never comes available, but if he was healthy last year this scenario doesnt exist and SPurs and KL are happily married and supermax is offered and signed.

[SuperCam]

There's no better market if you force his hand to 2019. If lakers don't have capspace, Crippers will make sure they do. He'll be in los angeles either way tbh

[baseline bum]

There's no better market if you force his hand to 2019. If lakers don't have capspace, Crippers will make sure they do. He'll be in los angeles either way tbh

Teams aren't going to be nearly as scared of him going to the laughingstock Clippers to play with Danilo Gallinari as they will him going to the storied Lakers to play with LeBron.

[NASpurs]

God I hope LeBron goes to the 76ers causing Ainge to freak out.

[YGWHI]

There aren't many Spurs trades, however 6 of the last 13 have been to Western Conference teams.

Last 13, stopping at Scola mentioned by another poster.

Diaw to Utah July 8, 2016.

[Splitter to Hawks 2015]

[3 trades to EC in 2013/14, De Colo the biggest name]

T.J. Ford, Richard Jefferson and [Festus Ezeli] to Warriors March 15, 2012

[Hill to Indianapolis 2011]

[Ratliff to Charlotte 2010]

[Bowen, Oberto & Thomas to Milwaukee 2009]

Dragic to Suns 2008

Barry, Elson & [Beaubois] to Seattle 2008

Udrih to Minnesota 2007

Bulter & Scola to Houston 2007

6 of 13...A lot more than I expected. Thanks!

[eDizzle20]

If LeBron and Paul George both go to the Lakers I'm sure the Lakers will package whatever it takes to get Kawhi asap. LeBron will be 34 years of age by the end of the year. Waiting another year to sign Leonard as a free agent is probably not the best path to go as you want to maximize LeBron's remaining elite years. A combo of LeBron, PG, and their young guys is still not enough to beat Golden State. The Spurs should try to get the best package even if that is to the Lakers. Any team he gets traded to will most likely become a super team as it is. I don't see Phoenix trading the #1 pick for Kawhi. Boston has the best and most versatile assets, but without a commitment or possibility of re-signing I don't see them pulling the trigger. Also, what seems to be lost in all of this is if Kawhi and PATFO are still meeting ahead of Thursday night's draft?

[SuperCam]

If LeBron and Paul George both go to the Lakers I'm sure the Lakers will package whatever it takes to get Kawhi asap. LeBron will be 34 years of age by the end of the year. Waiting another year to sign Leonard as a free agent is probably not the best path to go as you want to maximize LeBron's remaining elite years. A combo of LeBron, PG, and their young guys is still not enough to beat Golden State. The Spurs should try to get the best package even if that is to the Lakers. Any team he gets traded to will most likely become a super team as it is. I don't see Phoenix trading the #1 pick for Kawhi. Boston has the best and most versatile assets, but without a commitment or possibility of re-signing I don't see them pulling the trigger. Also, what seems to be lost in all of this is if Kawhi and PATFO are still meeting ahead of Thursday night's draft?

yup spur cannot hope for 2019 no capspace they will trade future 1sts if they have to, someone would take deng next year as an an 19 million dollar expiring pretty easily tbqh

[DPG21920]

:lol Taking Deng easily

[mo7888]

I’m thinking SA should end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16. LA gets Kawhi, PHX gets Lonzo + 25.

I'd be satisfied with that. I'd still try and package a couple of assets to move up into the top 8 in this draft.

[ernest787]

I'd be satisfied with that. I'd still try and package a couple of assets to move up into the top 8 in this draft.

playin with the trade machine to make that work, looks like the Lakers would have to also deal Kuzma and another contract like Hart to make it work.

[SuperCam]

:lol Taking Deng easily

only one year left after this season, some shit team with cap space will gladly take that on in exchange for a pick or two, like you were hoping for Spur to do on the thread talking about all the massive free agent signings Spur would be getting :lol

[K...]

What about trading pop to the Lakers. LeBron ain't got no love for Walton. Pop is more of an asset than doc was and doesn't have a son to bandwagon with (Patty Mills is close).

[cd98]

This whole Kawhi thing is far from a done deal. I think there is posturing from both sides. Spurs sending the message that they aren't sure Kawhi is worth the supermax. Kawhi saying he'd be interested in signing the supermax, saying he's 97% recovered, hearing Spurs don't think he's worth the supermax and then saying he wants a trade, and now today saying he's 100% recovered.

I don't know if he's traded or not, but I have a hunch he would sign the supermax. Am I mistaken or wasn't Kawhi bugged on the last contract extension when the Spurs waited to extend him so it would give them more cap space flexibility.

There's going to be a lot of noise speculation but my guess is that no one other than the Spurs and Kawhi's group know exactly what is going on and what is likely to happen.

[Killakobe81]

:lol Taking Deng easily

What a dumb signing. Like i said moving away from Mozgof and shipping Clarkson was part of righting the wrongs of the previous regime.
That is why I will not deem Maginka a failure if PG and or Lebron stay where they are.

We only have one bad contract on the books. Deng. Sucks if it costs us KL ... or anyone else.
But Lakers fans and media is unrealistic as much of this forum is.
Who cares is SAS says Magic failed if he doesn't land a big fish?! It sucks for the interim ...but if KL is healthy a case can be made he is a better fit for our young core ...if and only if we think they are long-term answers.
This team is in faaaar better shape then it was under Mitch/Buss.

IF spurs hang tight maybe KUZ/Ingram prove they are more valuable than Spur fan/PATFO currently think they are.
Like you I dont want Lakers to make a panic move.
unless KL is 100% ... then you move mountains.

[BSfromTX]

Kawhi is most likely just fine. A lot of games he's missed over the years is partly due to Pop being cautious or doing the rest thing. As for last year? I think Kawhi knew spurs were not wanting to offer supermax, which was probably the only way he wanted to stay with the spurs and maybe the only reason he never asked to be traded sooner? Once that was evident, his camp decides its no use risking injury playing for a team you don't really care about, so they make the quad thing bigger than it really is and sits out.

Pop is liable to stick it to them. He just lost his wife and is at the end of his career. He has invested a ton into Kawhi only to get treated like a villan. I see him holding til February unless he gets a great deal.

[baseline bum]

yup spur cannot hope for 2019 no capspace they will trade future 1sts if they have to, someone would take deng next year as an an 19 million dollar expiring pretty easily tbqh

To sign LeBron and PG13 they're going to have to salary dump one of Ball, Ingram, or Deng this season or stretch Deng, in addition to letting Randle walk either way. Most likely they'll do the latter. They couldn't get to the $32 million or so of capspace they'd need to sign Leonard with a projected $108 million cap for 2019-20 even if they salary dump Ball, Ingram, and Kuzma after stretching Deng. Their picks will be crap with LeBron and PG13 on the team, so they don't hold much value. Their only real hope of signing Kawhi in 2019 if they land James+PG13 this summer is in dumping Ball this summer for say future draft picks and then using Ingram and/or Kuzma to get someone to take Deng's contract. Or they better hope their trade assets they get from dumping Ball are great if they want to trade with San Antonio for Kawhi, since at that point it could only happen with the Spurs accepting Deng's contract.

[Em-City]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEQMtZwN_WY

not sure if this got posted, but first time i'm seeing mainstream media start calling out kawhi on his bullshit. even if charles is a spurs FO admirer, i think there is gonna be some backlash on the player once both sides' cards are shown publicly

[rasuo214]

While the Lakers may be their preferred choice they are fine with any of the big markets. The Clippers, Philly, NY etc., so it isn't really Lakers or bust for Kawhi's group. It does put a stop to any potential Big3 for the Lakers but they would still have the potential with Ball/Ingram.

[YGWHI]

Unless the Spurs were hardcore positioning to not pay Leonard the supermax, this looks like a major error on his part.
I guess the Spurs won't offer a supermax to any player in the next decades...I doubt RC/Pop love that type of contracts, they will expect a paycut from their guys.


Even if you want a trade, why create such doubt about your health and give the Spurs and anyone else a reason to not max you?...

I wonder why... What's about Kawhi having a real quad injury last season?

There are many ways to demand a trade, he didn't need to fake an injury to ask for one.

[YGWHI]

Listening to some to the shit out there is just sickening. Like why would PATFO be gloating to Woj about how much leverage they thought they had over Kawhi to the point that they "overplayed their hand"? Maybe, just maybe, saying they weren't giving Leonard the DPE wasn't a ploy, but them honestly drawing the line in the sand. Maybe Kawhi's team freaking out about the Spurs' stance is there way of playing their own hands and trying to force PATFO to give them what they want. And maybe, just maybe, when Kawhi gets traded to Phoenix and forever loses out on the DPE, his group will go "oh shit, we overplayed our hand".

Unless the Spurs get Suns' #1 pick or Kings' #2 pick in two days, this would be the rare case where both sides "overplayed their hands."

The Spurs lose a top-5 player for almost nothing.... "but but Jackson and #16 and..." =almost nothing if we're talking about an MVP candidate and the best defender in the league.

And Kawhi loses money while plays for scrubs for one year.

[YGWHI]

I mean why wouldn't guys jump all over mid-tier money from NY/LA is they were just going to make any difference up in endorsements?
Because NYK and Lakers can get only 15 players on active roster?
I guess there are more guys wanting for "jumping all over..." than we know. Unless they sign with those two teams, or they make media know about their desire, we don't know how many calls those teams get from agents in offseason.

[cd98]

I guess the Spurs won't offer a supermax to any player in the next decades...I doubt RC/Pop love that type of contracts, they will expect a paycut from their guys.



I wonder why... What's about Kawhi having a real quad injury last season?

There are many ways to demand a trade, he didn't need to fake an injury to ask for one.

I don't doubt that Kawhi had some type of injury, but I guess we'll never know if he was healthy enough to help the Spurs make a run at the end of the season for better playoff positioning and for a good run in the playoffs. It could be that he wasn't 100% until now (when he could be traded or sign the supermax) or it could be that he was healthy enough to play, but didn't want to risk a big pay day or a chance to force his way out of San Antonio.

[cd98]

Unless the Spurs get Suns' #1 pick or Kings' #2 pick in two days, this would be the rare case where both sides "overplayed their hands."

The Spurs lose a top-5 player for almost nothing.... "but but Jackson and #16 and..." =almost nothing if we're talking about an MVP candidate and the best defender in the league.

And Kawhi loses money while plays for scrubs for one year.

While not ideal, the Spurs will survive without Kawhi. If they get enough of a haul, they will stay in contending range for the next two years and build for the future. If they have a few lottery years, they'll eventually find the next star and rebuild. The franchise isn't going anywhere. If Kawhi is traded, he automatically makes less money and he has to play a year and risk injury or if he doesn't play up to a high standard, he could also lose money. The Spurs could decide to keep him for a year and let him walk after the Lakers max LeBron and PG and have no money to throw at him. I think Kawhi has a lot more to lose in the long run, especially if the Spurs have no inclination to send him to the Lakers.

And Kawhi is always one ACL tear away from being irrelevant to the NBA.

[YGWHI]

I don't doubt that Kawhi had some type of injury, but I guess we'll never know if he was healthy enough to help the Spurs make a run at the end of the season for better playoff positioning and for a good run in the playoffs. It could be that he wasn't 100% until now (when he could be traded or sign the supermax) or it could be that he was healthy enough to play, but didn't want to risk a big pay day or a chance to force his way out of San Antonio.

I'm just saying that's very stupid to think he was faking an injury when both sides had diagnoses of his injury. The rest is just speculation

[cutewizard]

1008895724132675585

Wouldn't be surprised if Magic has been tampering all along. The genesis of the NBA next Super-team, with a nod from Adam Silver, is taking shape as we speak. They are so desperate to revive that pathetic franchise.

I would forever lose respect for Pop and co. if they grant this faggot and his clown handlers their wish..

-----------------------------------------

Perhaps they want to revive the Celtics vs Lakers rivalry, hmmmmm

[cd98]

I'm just saying that's very stupid to think he was faking an injury when both sides had diagnoses of his injury. The rest is just speculation

But it's also wrong to assume that Kawhi's doctors were right and the Spurs doctors were wrong especially when Kawhi's camp kept saying he was close to a return. Or that Kawhi is above listening to advice about sitting out the playoff stretch so he can demand a trade or avoid risking his big payday.

[tbdog]

Checking out Laker fans, they think Ingham, Kuzma and Deng is too much. They think just wait it out for a season a sign him for free.

[BSfromTX]

I'm just saying that's very stupid to think he was faking an injury when both sides had diagnoses of his injury. The rest is just speculation

Minor injury made into a bigger deal than it was.... and quite possibly chronic. who knows? but the timing of "Kawhi is 100%" is just silly. Give me a break. His camp is not being forthright. What was the final diagnosis? What was the treatment/therapy? What is long term prognosis?

[coachmac87]

I'm just saying that's very stupid to think he was faking an injury when both sides had diagnoses of his injury. The rest is just speculation

What was the injury and give me examples where it causes you to miss 73 games? How can “setbacks” occur? You being the cum bucket for this dude is laughable. I liked Kawhi and tried to give him benefit of the doubt but now it’s so obvious he played the Spurs..got called out (team meeting) couldn’t give an answer...took his ball and went home.

Report came out not even a week ago his rehab was progressing....and now 2 days later after mainstream media reported teams are skeptical of his health...he’s now 100%?

Whipe your mouth and get off your knees

[daslicer]

What was the injury and give me examples where it causes you to miss 73 games? How can “setbacks” occur? You being the cum bucket for this dude is laughable. I liked Kawhi and tried to give him benefit of the doubt but now it’s so obvious he played the Spurs..got called out (team meeting) couldn’t give an answer...took his ball and went home.

Report came out not even a week ago his rehab was progressing....and now 2 days later after mainstream media reported teams are skeptical of his health...he’s now 100%?

Whipe your mouth and get off your knees

:lol

[spursistan]

What was the injury and give me examples where it causes you to miss 73 games? How can “setbacks” occur? You being the cum bucket for this dude is laughable. I liked Kawhi and tried to give him benefit of the doubt but now it’s so obvious he played the Spurs..got called out (team meeting) couldn’t give an answer...took his ball and went home.

Report came out not even a week ago his rehab was progressing....and now 2 days later after mainstream media reported teams are skeptical of his health...he’s now 100%?

Whipe your mouth and get off your knees

:lmao

[RD2191]

What was the injury and give me examples where it causes you to miss 73 games? How can “setbacks” occur? You being the cum bucket for this dude is laughable. I liked Kawhi and tried to give him benefit of the doubt but now it’s so obvious he played the Spurs..got called out (team meeting) couldn’t give an answer...took his ball and went home.

Report came out not even a week ago his rehab was progressing....and now 2 days later after mainstream media reported teams are skeptical of his health...he’s now 100%?

Whipe your mouth and get off your knees

Cry about it on your podcast that nobody listens to :lol

[YGWHI]

While not ideal, the Spurs will survive without Kawhi. If they get enough of a haul, they will stay in contending range for the next two years and build for the future. If they have a few lottery years, they'll eventually find the next star and rebuild. The franchise isn't going anywhere.
Agree on this. The Spurs were the Spurs before Kawhi and will be the Spurs after him.

They just went from making WCF with Kawhi to "contending range for two years" or "a few lottery years".

A team doesn't disappear when they lose their franchise player but can have higher expectations when they keep him... And those expectations mean more money for the team not just more success.


If Kawhi is traded, he automatically makes less money and he has to play a year and risk injury or if he doesn't play up to a high standard, he could also lose money.
He will lose money one way or another since the Spurs won't supermax him so it doesn't matter where he plays for one more year.

Also, in 2014 he was forced to play one year risking injury because the Spurs didn't give him an extension, this is not an unknown process for him.


The Spurs could decide to keep him for a year and let him walk after the Lakers max LeBron and PG and have no money to throw at him. I think Kawhi has a lot more to lose in the long run, especially if the Spurs have no inclination to send him to the Lakers.
People act here like the Lakers is the only place he could want to go...I can see him making better many teams on this league. F*ck the Lakers.

About the long run, teams like the Spurs don't have enough money to throw, it's likely they will keep building through the draft and that could take many, many years....Pop is leaving in 2010...Who knows.


And Kawhi is always one ACL tear away from being irrelevant to the NBA.
Every player is one ACL to lose his career, not just Kawhi.

Again, unless the Spurs get one of those #1/#2 picks or LeBron joins SAS, both sides lost a lot this time.

[coachmac87]

Cry about it on your podcast that nobody listens to :lol

The fact you know or assume I have a podcast is cool...

What are you known for? Playing circle jerk with your fake internet friends? Stop living on the internet and go chase some tail

[rjv]

for all the recent hoopla, however, i feel like we are really at where we were before the 'breaking news' of friday. that is, we really don't know how this is going to play out or whether or not leonard is a spur next season.

[RD2191]

The fact you know or assume I have a podcast is cool...

What are you known for? Playing circle jerk with your fake internet friends? Stop living on the internet and go chase some tail

:lol pathetic

[raybies]

The fact you know or assume I have a podcast is cool...

What are you known for? Playing circle jerk with your fake internet friends? Stop living on the internet and go chase some tail
https://media.giphy.com/media/r1HGFou3mUwMw/giphy.gif

[cutewizard]

I wonder how tight Lebron and Murray are......

[cd98]

Agree on this. The Spurs were the Spurs before Kawhi and will be the Spurs after him.

They just went from making WCF with Kawhi to "contending range for two years" or "a few lottery years".

A team doesn't disappear when they lose their franchise player but can have higher expectations when they keep him... And those expectations mean more money for the team not just more success.


He will lose money one way or another since the Spurs won't supermax him so it doesn't matter where he plays for one more year.

Also, in 2014 he was forced to play one year risking injury because the Spurs didn't give him an extension, this is not an unknown process for him.


People act here like the Lakers is the only place he could want to go...I can see him making better many teams on this league. F*ck the Lakers.

About the long run, teams like the Spurs don't have enough money to throw, it's likely they will keep building through the draft and that could take many, many years....Pop is leaving in 2010...Who knows.


Every player is one ACL to lose his career, not just Kawhi.

Again, unless the Spurs get one of those #1/#2 picks or LeBron joins SAS, both sides lost a lot this time.

My point is Kawhi's route is much riskier. The Spurs will get some assets if they trade him. They have done great at reloading their team with crappy draft picks and salary cap implications. Give them some lottery picks and young players and they'll turn this team around. That's probably why they aren't in a hurry to offer Kawhi the supermax.

But Kawhi has a lot more risk. You have a five year guaranteed contract, then you don't have to worry if you tear your ACL next season. But if he tears an ACL or plays a notch below what he's been playing (esp with his injury history), he'll get an even lower payday. His people want him in LA. They think that means endorsement dollars. I think he'd be willing to play in SA with the super max, but his people want him in LA because they think that is the place where he can market himself. I don't see him having the same marketing appeal in Boston or Phili. I also don't see his people leaking anything about wanting to be anywhere but LA. And I don't know if they care if the LA team he plays for is any good. For them, it's all about location to get marketing dollars.

[Brazil]

There's no way Phoenix is giving up the 1, 16 AND Jackson:lol I can't even envision a scenario where they would think about that..

I guess maybe Sarver and their fans hate the Spurs enough that they desperately want the guy who took a shit on the Spurs' franchise:lol

Maybe it's a package deal with Kawhi and someone else from Spurs ?

[YGWHI]

I liked Kawhi and tried to give him benefit of the doubt but now it’s so obvious he played the Spurs..

There were multiple reports from 2016-17 season talking about his "bruised quad", the reason why he just played 5 minutes in ASG...Two different diagnoses for non-injury?

Like he looked himself when he played those nine games...

[raybies]

There were multiple reports from 2016-17 season talking about his "bruised quad", the reason why he just played 5 minutes in ASG...Two different diagnoses for non-injury?

Like he looked himself when he played those nine games...
No matter how much you try to spin it the fact remains that a couple days ago they said he was 97% and should be ready by training camp and now all of a sudden he is a 100%...

[RD2191]

No matter how much you try to spin it the fact remains that a couple days ago they said he was 97% and should be ready by training camp and now all of a sudden he is a 100%...

You're an idiot. Believing some dude on Twitter. Now any random idiot is a legit source. Gtfo :lol

[YGWHI]

My point is Kawhi's route is much riskier.
My point is both sides lost big.


They have done great at reloading their team with crappy draft picks and salary cap implications. Give them some lottery picks and young players and they'll turn this team around.
I'd love if they do it again. But without Tim, and Pop after 2020, I'm skeptical.

[YGWHI]

Minor injury made into a bigger deal than it was.... and quite possibly chronic. who knows? but the timing of "Kawhi is 100%" is just silly. Give me a break. His camp is not being forthright. What was the final diagnosis? What was the treatment/therapy? What is long term prognosis?
Don't be naive. It's not just "his camp"


No matter how much you try to spin it the fact remains that a couple days ago they said he was 97% and should be ready by training camp and now all of a sudden he is a 100%...
BOTH sides have to say it since BOTH sides -Spurs included- need to increase his trade-value when most teams aren't offering a shit because his health...

Do you want the Spurs trade him for random picks or just for first round picks? Well, teams want to know if he's 100% and they get an answer in the last hours.

[coachmac87]

There were multiple reports from 2016-17 season talking about his "bruised quad", the reason why he just played 5 minutes in ASG...Two different diagnoses for non-injury?

Like he looked himself when he played those nine games...

Bruh. What was the injury? Is the injury medically known to keep a player out 73 games? What causes the multiple setbacks? Quad bruise?

The fact we still don’t have answers and so many questions just shows someone getting played....

You don’t find it odd he’s now 100% immediately after mainstream reports Lakers are concerned...

Answers these questions and we can start a legit conversation of why we are where we are..

[raybies]

https://media.giphy.com/media/wMNK4IfeH86uQ/giphy.gif
You're an idiot. Believing some dude on Twitter. Now any random idiot is a legit source. Gtfo :lol

[RD2191]

https://media.giphy.com/media/wMNK4IfeH86uQ/giphy.gif

RIP Gene Wilder

[raybies]

RIP Gene Wilder
fr...

[RD2191]

Bruh. What was the injury? Is the injury medically known to keep a player out 73 games? What causes the multiple setbacks? Quad bruise?

The fact we still don’t have answers and so many questions just shows someone getting played....

You don’t find it odd he’s now 100% immediately after mainstream reports Lakers are concerned...

Answers these questions and we can start a legit conversation of why we are where we are..

The injury has been known and ST posters with the same injury have spoken out on it. Gtfo faggot :lol

[coachmac87]

The injury has been known and ST posters with the same injury have spoken out on it. Gtfo faggot :lol

Well what is it?

[YGWHI]

Bruh. What was the injury? Is the injury medically known to keep a player out 73 games? What causes the multiple setbacks? Quad bruise?
You know the two diagnoses, one from the Spurs' doctors and other from his NY doctors...Just read that Ramona's ESPN article that no one side denied.

Also you know that depends on the type of quad injury, it doesn't allow a player to run less to play, while setbacks are so common.


You don’t find it odd he’s now 100% immediately after mainstream reports Lakers are concerned...

Do you really think that LAL is the only team concerned about his health?

Why do you think that most teams aren't offering offer something better than #16 pick for a top 3-5 player in this league?

[coachmac87]

You know the two diagnoses, one from the Spurs' doctors and other from his NY doctors...Just read that Ramona's ESPN article that no one side denied.

Also you know that depends on the type of quad injury, it doesn't allow a player to run less to play, while setbacks are so common.



Do you really think that LAL is the only team concerned about his health?

Why do you think that most teams aren't offering offer something better than #16 pick for a top 3-5 player in this league?

Oh so you give me two options..in which they could be different injuries? Which one is it!And can we compare this “injury” to another player??

That’s the thing though you’re quick to defend Kawhi...yet you don’t even know what’s wrong with him. He couldn’t even explain it to the media or teammates...because if he did I dunno if it could be backed medically and justify missing the time he did.

You don’t think it’s ironic he’s healthy now that the Lakers have injury concerns?

And teams aren’t willing to give much up if he’s signing with LA in 2019..that’s not hard to figure out..but the mysterious injury and circumstances that nobody has seen is

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBOtoqKhpzA

[YGWHI]

Oh so you give me two options..in which they could be different injuries? Which one is it!
In which doctors you trust most is the answer.


And can we compare this “injury” to another player??
Since you seem enough stupid to think that all bodies reacts in the same way, I guess you would try to compare injuries and players' rehab. Good luck with that.


He couldn’t even explain it to the media or teammates...because if he did I dunno if it could be backed medically and justify missing the time he did.
He doesn't need to say a word when he has his own doctors to do it if they have to...


You don’t think it’s ironic he’s healthy now that the Lakers have injury concerns?
No.
It doesn't matter if he's 100% or not, I'M SO GLAD they throw this now when many teams are trying to low ball the Spurs.

[coachmac87]

In which doctors you trust most is the answer.


Since you seem enough stupid to think that all bodies reacts in the same way, I guess you would try to compare injuries and players' rehab. Good luck with that.


He doesn't need to say a word when he has his own doctors to do it if they have to...


No.
It doesn't matter if he's 100% or not, I'M SO GLAD they throw this now when many teams are trying to low ball the Spurs.

You’re deflecting just like Kawhi and his camp lmao

Do you spit in the bucket before you type away or respond in his ultimate defense? Or do you just swallow?

[DPG21920]

only one year left after this season, some shit team with cap space will gladly take that on in exchange for a pick or two, like you were hoping for Spur to do on the thread talking about all the massive free agent signings Spur would be getting :lol

Lakers don’t have picks and Deng has 2 years left.

[DPG21920]

What a dumb signing. Like i said moving away from Mozgof and shipping Clarkson was part of righting the wrongs of the previous regime.
That is why I will not deem Maginka a failure if PG and or Lebron stay where they are.

We only have one bad contract on the books. Sucks if it costs us KL ... or anyone else.
But Lakers fans and media is unrealistic as much of this forum is.
Who cares is SAS says Magic failed if he doesnt land a big fish?! It sucks for the interim ...but if KL is healthy a cvse can be made he is a betetr fit for our young core ...if and only if we think they are long-term answers.
This team is in faaaar better shape then it was under Mitch/Buss.

IF spurs hang tight maybe KUZ/Ingram prove they are more valuable than Spur fan/PATFO currently think they are. Like you I dont want Lakers to make a panic move.
unless KL is 100% ... then you move mountains.

You are a rare well balanced laker fan. It’s why we are homies

[Killakobe81]

You are a rare well balanced laker fan. It’s why we are homies

Of course you been in that new house a few years now right? got man cave? how is the setup at home for watching spur games?
I went Sony projector (non 4k) in mine. Have a 4k Sammy in family room, but I cut the cord last year ...to save $
I was using IPTV last season and caught everything but Nflix shut the site down ....
I need to figure out this year before NFL/NBA season ...

Might have to bite the bullet and ren egage cable or satellite you or anyone you know try nbaLP web only?

[daslicer]

You’re deflecting just like Kawhi and his camp lmao

Do you spit in the bucket before you type away or respond in his ultimate defense? Or do you just swallow?

:lmao

[YGWHI]

You’re deflecting just like Kawhi and his camp lmao
No. I'm just giving you answers that you don't like...That's all.

[DPG21920]

Of course you been in that new house a few years now right? got man cave? how is the setup at home for watching spur games?
I went Sony projector (non 4k) in mine. Have a 4k Sammy in family room, but I cut the cord last year ...to save $
I was using IPTV last season and caught everything but Nflix shut the site down ....
I need to figure out this year before NFL/NBA season ...

Might have to bite the bullet and ren egage cable or satellite you or anyone you know try nbaLP web only?

I actually moved downtown - we just missed being able to walk everywhere. Been awesome.

I still have cable just for NBA league pass as I like to watch on TV without a stream.

[buujness]

Not sure if this is completely realistic, but the best-case Kawhi trade (that isn't just absurd) would look like this:

Celtics get Kawhi Leonard
Spurs get Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, Marcus Morris and Gerschon Labusele (cap-filler)

You replace Anderson, Green and Mills in the end of the season lineup with Morris, Brown and Rozier, so your starting five looks like this:

Murray
Rozier
Brown
Morris
Aldridge

If you just bring back the remainder of last year's team around, that's a pretty good team, with the potential to get much better as the young core develops.

[exstatic]

Not sure if this is completely realistic, but the best-case Kawhi trade (that isn't just absurd) would look like this:

Celtics get Kawhi Leonard
Spurs get Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, Marcus Morris and Gerschon Labusele (cap-filler)

You replace Anderson, Green and Mills in the end of the season lineup with Morris, Brown and Rozier, so your starting five looks like this:

Murray
Rozier
Brown
Morris
Aldridge

If you just bring back the remainder of last year's team around, that's a pretty good team, with the potential to get much better as the young core develops.

Nope. You'd need a nice pick or two there, and the reality is that Ainge supposedly has declared Brown and Tatum untouchable.

[Killakobe81]

Not sure if this is completely realistic, but the best-case Kawhi trade (that isn't just absurd) would look like this:

Celtics get Kawhi Leonard
Spurs get Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, Marcus Morris and Gerschon Labusele (cap-filler)

You replace Anderson, Green and Mills in the end of the season lineup with Morris, Brown and Rozier, so your starting five looks like this:

Murray
Rozier
Brown
Morris
Aldridge

If you just bring back the remainder of last year's team around, that's a pretty good team, with the potential to get much better as the young core develops.

not bad if you swap Tatum tbh

[coachmac87]

No. I'm just giving you answers that you don't like...That's all.

No you haven’t given me any answers..you told me to read articles that I have read.

You can’t answer my questions and that’s my entire point. You don’t even know what you’re defending lol. You’re talking in circles going at people for going at Kawhi..

[SuperCam]

Lakers don’t have picks and Deng has 2 years left.

two years left now, but in the 2019 season when kiwi could sign as a free agent he'll only have one year, a big expiring deal that some shit team would take on in exchange for future picks, probably 2020s picks, they could do that easy and open room to sign kiwi

[toki9]

I’m thinking SA should end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16. LA gets Kawhi, PHX gets Lonzo + 25.

What's your perspective on Josh Jackson? Haven't followed how he's done over the season except that he improved a lot between the two halves of the season. If the Spurs end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16, then that's not a bad haul for George Hill, particularly given there was a championship and Bertans in there as well, right?

[BackHome]

Boston would have to add 2019 Sacto pick or Tatum. I still think that if Kawhi is medicaly cleared Philly is going to offer a nice package which makes me think Ainge will have to up his hand to include Tatum

[buujness]

Nope. You'd need a nice pick or two there, and the reality is that Ainge supposedly has declared Brown and Tatum untouchable.A pick would be great, but if I can get some young talent that has played pretty well and is only getting better, then I wouldn't let the lack of a pick be the thing that stops me, especially given the fact that Kawhi kinda fucked his trade value over.

I'd be shocked if Danny Ainge considered anyone untouchable.

[K...]

Yeah what's up with philly? You'd figure that pop would love the shafting of little colangelo and want to help Brett Brown. Either Spurs want Jackson more than fultz and saric, or Philly has taken the deal of the table and just not been as leaky compared to the Celts

[buujness]

not bad if you swap Tatum tbhIf you can get Tatum instead of Brown, I get Kawhi a U-HAUL; that's about as close to equal value for a superstar that you're gonna get.

[duncan2k5]

No matter how much you try to spin it the fact remains that a couple days ago they said he was 97% and should be ready by training camp and now all of a sudden he is a 100%...

What ur implying would make sense if they never knew there was a contract negotiation coming up... But because the world knew, how does what ur implying make sense?

[ducks]

What ur implying would make sense if they never knew there was a contract negotiation coming up... But because the world knew, how does what ur implying make sense?

Bitch is all about money

[BackHome]

Duncan that makes no sense ??

[DPG21920]

What's your perspective on Josh Jackson? Haven't followed how he's done over the season except that he improved a lot between the two halves of the season. If the Spurs end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16, then that's not a bad haul for George Hill, particularly given there was a championship and Bertans in there as well, right?

I love Josh. He didn’t have a breakout year but I watched a lot of PHX games and his potential is immense and he’s super young. Give him structure and coaching and he’s a better defender Jimmy Butler ceiling with a high defense floor if his offense doesn’t come along.

Moreso SA loves him and they are rarely wrong. Outside of Tatum I prefer Josh on par or more with any other young prospect.

[DPG21920]

Yeah what's up with philly? You'd figure that pop would love the shafting of little colangelo and want to help Brett Brown. Either Spurs want Jackson more than fultz and saric, or Philly has taken the deal of the table and just not been as leaky compared to the Celts

I think that with Pop and Browns relationship and the fact Kawhi worked with PHI doctors shows you where PHI lack of interest might be. I would imagine pop and brown were very honest about Kawhi & Fultz and they may not be interested. Who knows.

[RD2191]

I love Josh. He didn’t have a breakout year but I watched a lot of PHX games and his potential is immense and he’s super young. Give him structure and coaching and he’s a better defender Jimmy Butler ceiling with a high defense floor if his offense doesn’t come along.

Moreso SA loves him and they are rarely wrong. Outside of Tatum I prefer Josh on par or more with any other young prospect.

Permaban

[offset formation]

Forgetting Kawhi for the moment, what would be the worst outcome for uncle Dennis's little agency start up?

Detroit.

[SpursBig3s]

No. I'm just giving you answers that you don't like...That's all.


No you're not. You're a fucking idiot that bends over so Kawhi can put it in your pooper, faggot

[SpursBig3s]

I love Josh. He didn’t have a breakout year but I watched a lot of PHX games and his potential is immense and he’s super young. Give him structure and coaching and he’s a better defender Jimmy Butler ceiling with a high defense floor if his offense doesn’t come along.

Moreso SA loves him and they are rarely wrong. Outside of Tatum I prefer Josh on par or more with any other young prospect.



God bless you

[RD2191]

No you're not. You're a fucking idiot that bends over so Kawhi can put it in your pooper, faggot

Speaking from experience?

[Pavlov]

I guess the Spurs won't offer a supermax to any player in the next decades...I doubt RC/Pop love that type of contracts, they will expect a paycut from their guys.



I wonder why... What's about Kawhi having a real quad injury last season?

There are many ways to demand a trade, he didn't need to fake an injury to ask for one.Sure looks like he did tho.

[pad300]

I’m thinking SA should end up with Josh Jackson, Ingram and #16. LA gets Kawhi, PHX gets Lonzo + 25.

Why does PHX do this? They sent out #16, Jackson and get Lonzo and 25? How does that work for them?

[K...]

Why does PHX do this? They sent out #16, Jackson and get Lonzo and 25? How does that work for them?

Because they are dumb v but not trade away ayton dumb

[DPG21920]

Why does PHX do this? They sent out #16, Jackson and get Lonzo and 25? How does that work for them?

It works if they view Lonzo as a foundational piece to feed off of Booker and get their shiny new big man the ball.

They have no good PGs, and need someone to create and cover for Bookers defense. Lonzo is a very solid defender.

[lmbebo]

I dunno. I'd still not want to help facilitate any deal that gets Kwahi to the Lakers....

[toki9]

I love Josh. He didn’t have a breakout year but I watched a lot of PHX games and his potential is immense and he’s super young. Give him structure and coaching and he’s a better defender Jimmy Butler ceiling with a high defense floor if his offense doesn’t come along.

Moreso SA loves him and they are rarely wrong. Outside of Tatum I prefer Josh on par or more with any other young prospect.

Thank you. I thought I remembered him as being mentioned as potentially the best player from the draft class prior to last year's draft, so I was curious.

[toki9]

It works if they view Lonzo as a foundational piece to feed off of Booker and get their shiny new big man the ball.

They have no good PGs, and need someone to create and cover for Bookers defense. Lonzo is a very solid defender.

And then there's the bonus of seeing how Lavar would butt heads with Sarver...

[K...]

I dunno. I'd still not want to help facilitate any deal that gets Kwahi to the Lakers....

With all the bad blood it's good to remember that Kobe, Phil, and Mitch are gone and pop may have nothing against magic and Luke.

[look_at_g_shred]

Draft night is going to come and go and all spurs are going to get out of it is an undersized PG that can't shoot and play the position...sigh...

[Big Empty]

Draft night is going to come and go and all spurs are going to get out of it is an undersized PG that can't shoot and play the position...sigh...
Ha. 90% chance

[jsandiego]

I still have cable just for NBA league pass as I like to watch on TV without a stream.
This. It's the only reason I have cable as well, but I'm about ready to try LP streaming and give it up completely. I haven't been a big fan of DirecTV and we watch mainly Netflix anyway.

[r0drig0lac]

Ha. 99% chance

fixed

[JPB]

Those Kawhard blowers make you think about brainwashed sect adepts worshiping their allmighty guru like some kind of immaculate deity.
No matter what he does or says is gold.

They'd give him all their cash, their girlfriend to fuck, their life... then Kawhison would say drink my piss and they would gulp it like it was gods nectar.

[RD2191]

Those Kawhard blowers make you think about brainwashed sect adepts worshiping their allmighty guru like some kind of immaculate deity.
No matter what he does or says is gold.

They'd give him all their cash, their girlfriend to fuck, their life... then Kawhison would say drink my piss and they would gulp it like it was gods nectar.

As if you wouldn't bend right over and let Porker go in dry.

[look_at_g_shred]

Two days until the draft. It's too quiet tbh

[spurraider21]

hold him at this point... the offers that are being reported are complete shit.

[baseline bum]

Forgetting Kawhi for the moment, what would be the worst outcome for uncle Dennis's little agency start up?

Probably Toronto because of the taxes.

[spurraider21]

Probably Toronto because of the taxes.
send him to okc. force him to play with westbrook

[baseline bum]

As if you wouldn't bend right over and let Porker go in dry.

Dude you're being a Kawhi Trumper lately.

[RD2191]

Dude you're being a Kawhi Trumper lately.

:lol I just enjoy fukin with people tbh. I'm honestly sick of this Kawhi shit, either he stays or goes but I just want it done and over with.

[pad300]

It works if they view Lonzo as a foundational piece to feed off of Booker and get their shiny new big man the ball.

They have no good PGs, and need someone to create and cover for Bookers defense. Lonzo is a very solid defender.

So we are back to PHX is stupid, OK.

[baseline bum]

:lol I just enjoy fukin with people tbh. I'm honestly sick of this Kawhi shit, either he stays or goes but I just want it done and over with.

I hate this shit too, Leonard's bitch act made this season the only since the mid 80s when I started following the team that I didn't enjoy watching. Even if they win 25 games next season it'll be so much better now that we know that piece of shit isn't coming back.

[baseline bum]

send him to okc. force him to play with westbrook

And force Uncle Dennis into a meth addiction? I like the way you think.

[spurraider21]

man... realizing how shitty this feels, gotta realize just how much worse it was for cavfans when lebron left

[JPB]

As if you wouldn't bend right over and let Porker go in dry.

Nice to see this clown acknowledging...

Ain't Kawhi asslicker clever ? He sees a french flag... hehe ! Porker fan !

Believe it or not, Kawhi condom, not everybody is a pathetic no lifer who needs to live through an athlete who doesn't give a flying fuck about him to feel like his life is anything but void.

Everybody know Parker isn't the classiest, most humble guy around and I had to pick a dinner with a bunch of buddies I'd take Tim or Manu anyday...

Yeah there are a few real spurs fan here, Kawhi chamber pot.

[Budkin]

https://www.sportsgossip.com/.image/t_share/MTU1MzM3NDgxMDExNjAzMTM4/kawhi-leonard_s-uncle-denies-reports-of-fissure-between-nephew-and-team.jpg

[Mugen]

man... realizing how shitty this feels, gotta realize just how much worse it was for cavfans when lebron left

LeBron didn't sit out the entire season with a fake injury before leaving.

[spurraider21]

LeBron didn't sit out the entire season with a fake injury before leaving.
true. i could stomach him missing the season if things worked out and he stayed long term.

the fact that he's leaving (or is forcing his way out) is really what has soured the situation, at least for me

the realization that you're losing an elite player and your team has virtually no hope to compete as a result

[RD2191]

Nice to see this clown acknowledging...

Ain't Kawhi asslicker clever ? He sees a french flag... hehe ! Porker fan !

Believe it or not, Kawhi condom, not everybody is a pathetic no lifer who needs to live through an athlete who doesn't give a flying fuck about him to feel like his life is anything but void.

Everybody know Parker isn't the classiest, most humble guy around and I had to pick a dinner with a bunch of buddies I'd take Tim or Manu anyday...

Yeah there are a few real spurs fan here, Kawhi chamber pot.

And how long have you felt like this?

[JPB]

:lol I just enjoy fukin with people tbh. I'm honestly sick of this Kawhi shit, either he stays or goes but I just want it done and over with.

Nothing better than a good ol' internet clash, tbh.

[Mugen]

true. i could stomach him missing the season if things worked out and he stayed long term.

the fact that he's leaving (or is forcing his way out) is really what has soured the situation, at least for me

the realization that you're losing an elite player and your team has virtually no hope to compete as a result

If he had come back at mid-season, gave it his all and the Spurs got bounced in the 2nd round, then I wouldn't blame him for wanting out.

But dude didn't even show up, basically quit on his teammates and the organization while collecting 20mil. Spurs are a storied franchise with a history of putting a championship squad together while CLE has been largely inept for most of LeBron's tenure there.

Not to mention, LeBron (as stupid and naive as it was) had the balls to sit in front of a national audience to announce his intent. Kawhi has said about 5 words since last summer :lol

[Mugen]

Kawhi isn't even man enough to sit in a meeting with Pop man to man.

Like, what does that say about him? Either he's so stupid that his group doesn't think he has the mental capacity to think for himself when left alone in a room with another adult? Or that he's literally too much of a pussy to look Pop in the eye and say I want out.

This shit is embarrassing tbh. And the Spurs are supposed to give this nigga 219mil and make him the face of the franchise?

[RD2191]

Kawhi isn't even man enough to sit in a meeting with Pop man to man.

Like, what does that say about him? Either he's so stupid that his group doesn't think he has the mental capacity to think for himself when left alone in a room with another adult? Or that he's literally too much of a pussy to look Pop in the eye and say I want out.

This shit is embarrassing tbh. And the Spurs are supposed to give this nigga 219mil and make him the face of the franchise?

Mind control tbh. Uncle Dennis fucked with his head imo

[r0drig0lac]

Mind control tbh. Uncle Dennis fucked with his head imo

https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsv1iextbg5Gm5O/giphy.gif

[spurraider21]

Kawhi isn't even man enough to sit in a meeting with Pop man to man.

Like, what does that say about him? Either he's so stupid that his group doesn't think he has the mental capacity to think for himself when left alone in a room with another adult? Or that he's literally too much of a pussy to look Pop in the eye and say I want out.

This shit is embarrassing tbh. And the Spurs are supposed to give this nigga 219mil and make him the face of the franchise?

[Lostwingman]

Mind control tbh. Uncle Dennis fucked with his head imo

Hey, something I can agree with.

[spurschamps99030507]

you have to be a big mentally retarded to l 31 million or 80 million except that again magic johnson have promised something like last year with p george


again, how are you so retarded of boycotting winning a maximum contract and losing all t millions?

[baseline bum]

Kawhi isn't even man enough to sit in a meeting with Pop man to man.

Like, what does that say about him? Either he's so stupid that his group doesn't think he has the mental capacity to think for himself when left alone in a room with another adult? Or that he's literally too much of a pussy to look Pop in the eye and say I want out.

This shit is embarrassing tbh. And the Spurs are supposed to give this nigga 219mil and make him the face of the franchise?

Could you imagine telling your boss you can't go into his office to discuss your work without your uncle being there? :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Could you imagine telling your boss you can't go into his office to discuss your work without your uncle being there? :lol

lol

[spurraider21]

crazy cause the spurs have taken care of him every step of the way tbh. traded to acquire him during the draft. didnt force him into a role he wasn't ready for. when he earned his way past RJ, they plugged him in as starter and traded jefferson. his role expanded with time. pop called him the future of the franchise after his rookie year, but even then never pressured him with a role he wasn't ready for. pop had to push him to be assertive on route to him getting a finals mvp. when he became lead dog, they went and got an elite second option. still kept his minutes in check. and they maxed him out along the way, too.

undeserved tbh

[Russ]

The Spurs should seriously consider a Cleveland offer of Love and the #8 if it happens.

This draft goes 8 deep and the #8 could net someone very good, possibly even Michael Porter (#9 in the NBADraft.net Mock).

But if the Spurs think they have any chance to keep Kawhi long term, they have to hold their nose and continue to pursue it.

[Mugen]

Could you imagine telling your boss you can't go into his office to discuss your work without your uncle being there? :lol

crofl, it's embarrassing. If it comes out that he has legit mental issues and he's basically Basketball Rain Man then it makes sense. Otherwise, this dude should get roasted by everybody around the league tbh.

[dbreiden83080]

What is so frustrating is this a guy the Spurs identified in the draft. Who's radar was he really on other than the Spurs? Leonard is not someone anyone thought projected to be some future franchise player in the NBA. The Spurs have put in years, molding, mentoring and developing him. I go back to Pop pushing him to be more aggressive in the 2014 finals, and Leonard telling him "Thanks for pushing me" as they hugged during the celebration. Duncan mentoring this guy his last few years with the team, letting him know, "This is going to be your team". The whole coaching staff putting so much time in with him. And now in the prime of his career age 27 when it can all really pay off, everything goes south and he wants out of here. So someone else could possibly benefit from all the hard work the Spurs put in with this player. Makes me sick..

[BillMc]

Could you imagine telling your boss you can't go into his office to discuss your work without your uncle being there? :lol

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

crazy cause the spurs have taken care of him every step of the way tbh. traded to acquire him during the draft. didnt force him into a role he wasn't ready for. when he earned his way past RJ, they plugged him in as starter and traded jefferson. his role expanded with time. pop called him the future of the franchise after his rookie year, but even then never pressured him with a role he wasn't ready for. pop had to push him to be assertive on route to him getting a finals mvp. when he became lead dog, they went and got an elite second option. still kept his minutes in check. and they maxed him out along the way, too.

undeserved tbh

Yes perfectly said. They have babied and developed him into a star player. They have put in all this time to help make him a franchise player. Talk about having no gratitude.

[SpursWoman]

Basketball Rain Man

:lol

[dbreiden83080]

Kawhi isn't even man enough to sit in a meeting with Pop man to man.

Like, what does that say about him? Either he's so stupid that his group doesn't think he has the mental capacity to think for himself when left alone in a room with another adult? Or that he's literally too much of a pussy to look Pop in the eye and say I want out.

This shit is embarrassing tbh. And the Spurs are supposed to give this nigga 219mil and make him the face of the franchise?

I would not send him anywhere TBH. Not now. He does not want to meet, okay fine. Sit back and be quiet about everything. Let him worry about this the rest of the summer with no movement. Come training camp guess what Leonard "It is time to report". What is he going to do? Refuse to report to camp? If he does, Spurs should go after all his money due next season at that point. Make him sweat it out, and carefully consider all options.

[BillMc]

What is so frustrating is this a guy the Spurs identified in the draft. Who's radar was he really on other than the Spurs? Leonard is not someone anyone thought projected to be some future franchise player in the NBA. The Spurs have put in years, molding, mentoring and developing him. I go back to Pop pushing him to be more aggressive in the 2014 finals, and Leonard telling him "Thanks for pushing me" as they hugged during the celebration. Duncan mentoring this guy his last few years with the team, letting him know, "This is going to be your team". The whole coaching staff putting so much time in with him. And now in the prime of his career age 27 when it can all really pay off, everything goes south and he wants out of here. So someone else could possibly benefit from all the hard work the Spurs put in with this player. Makes me sick..

Not to mention when he got "zaza-ed", Pop took the long view and didn't push him back in on a bad ankle later in the series. (Reports are he could have played in Game 3 or Game 4 if needed.) Yet he doesn't trust this coach. Imagine Kawhi playing for Tibbs? "You're okay, Kawhi, just a hemorrhage, get back in there."

[Mugen]

What is so frustrating is this a guy the Spurs identified in the draft. Who's radar was he really on other than the Spurs? Leonard is not someone anyone thought projected to be some future franchise player in the NBA. The Spurs have put in years, molding, mentoring and developing him. I go back to Pop pushing him to be more aggressive in the 2014 finals, and Leonard telling him "Thanks for pushing me" as they hugged during the celebration. Duncan mentoring this guy his last few years with the team, letting him know, "This is going to be your team". The whole coaching staff putting so much time in with him. And now in the prime of his career age 27 when it can all really pay off, everything goes south and he wants out of here. So someone else could possibly benefit from all the hard work the Spurs put in with this player. Makes me sick..

Sad, at least they got a title out of him though. Could be worse, could be OKC stuck with paying Westbrook 40mil, Carmelo 30 mil, and watching KD serve up championships to Steph/Draymond.....with zero titles to show for it :lol

[spursistan]

Kawhi isn't even man enough to sit in a meeting with Pop man to man.

Like, what does that say about him? Either he's so stupid that his group doesn't think he has the mental capacity to think for himself when left alone in a room with another adult? Or that he's literally too much of a pussy to look Pop in the eye and say I want out.

This shit is embarrassing tbh. And the Spurs are supposed to give this nigga 219mil and make him the face of the franchise?

[Play Boban]

Without the Spurs, Kawhitter would be in the G League tbh. Or on the streets in Compton. The Spurs made him what he is and he has the unmitigated gall to screw the organization that birthed him over? He is a disgrace. Every moment he remains a Spur I die a little inside.

[toki9]

What is so frustrating is this a guy the Spurs identified in the draft. Who's radar was he really on other than the Spurs? Leonard is not someone anyone thought projected to be some future franchise player in the NBA. The Spurs have put in years, molding, mentoring and developing him. I go back to Pop pushing him to be more aggressive in the 2014 finals, and Leonard telling him "Thanks for pushing me" as they hugged during the celebration. Duncan mentoring this guy his last few years with the team, letting him know, "This is going to be your team". The whole coaching staff putting so much time in with him. And now in the prime of his career age 27 when it can all really pay off, everything goes south and he wants out of here. So someone else could possibly benefit from all the hard work the Spurs put in with this player. Makes me sick..

Yeah, you're not wrong...maybe you can pretend that the Spurs are looking to trade George Hill...thinking like that kind of makes me feel better (OK, it really doesn't, but still it's a way to laugh about an absurd situation...)

[spurs10]

The smart play is to wait.

:toast


I would not send him anywhere TBH. Not now. He does not want to meet, okay fine. Sit back and be quiet about everything. Let him worry about this the rest of the summer with no movement. Come training camp guess what Leonard "It is time to report". What is he going to do? Refuse to report to camp? If he does, Spurs should go after all his money due next season at that point. Make him sweat it out, and carefully consider all options. This is exactly what I think they are going to do. 'See you at training camp.' There is no reason in the world to do anything else unless something really sweet came up. The Spurs will be able to get a great team together with $219 million if he wants to walk. This year make him earn his money or sue him for damages...he'll lose and it won't be great for his image.

[RD2191]

Without the Spurs, Kawhitter would be in the G League tbh. Or on the streets in Compton. The Spurs made him what he is and he has the unmitigated gall to screw the organization that birthed him over? He is a disgrace. Every moment he remains a Spur I die a little inside.

Hopefully he stays long enough for you to die.

[ducks]

Hopefully he stays long enough for you to die.

wow you nice

[RD2191]

wow you nice

You too

[gambit1990]

i just put this together real quick:

https://i.imgur.com/FLymS6f.jpg

[Play Boban]

Hopefully he stays long enough for you to die.

:cry

[RD2191]

i just put this together real quick:

https://i.imgur.com/FLymS6f.jpg

:lmao :lmao

[BillMc]

Onto important issues - can this thread eclipse the Jimmer thread in length? Gotta figure it has potential. :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs should seriously consider a Cleveland offer of Love and the #8 if it happens.

This draft goes 8 deep and the #8 could net someone very good, possibly even Michael Porter (#9 in the NBADraft.net Mock).

But if the Spurs think they have any chance to keep Kawhi long term, they have to hold their nose and continue to pursue it.

Yeah. The dynamic would be strange from a Spur perspective, that is, the best player being a prima donna as opposed to all-in organization man.

[spursistan]

What happened to Rob Diaz, tbh? His slurping of Uncle Dennis has suspiciously intensified the past few days.. Did Dennis promise to smuggle him back across the border for a job with his new agency? :lol

[RD2191]

What happened to Rob Diaz, tbh? His slurping of Uncle Dennis has suspiciously intensified the past few days.. Did Dennis promise to smuggle him back across the border for a job with his new agency? :lol

I already posted that I'm being held in a refugee camp near the border.

[Marcus Bryant]

Also, does Pop want to even coach anymore? Let alone rebuild? Now he's gotta go into another season with his best player being a deaf mute flake?

[daslicer]

What happened to Rob Diaz, tbh? His slurping of Uncle Dennis has suspiciously intensified the past few days.. Did Dennis promise to smuggle him back across the border for a job with his new agency? :lol

Uncle Dennis offered him a job with Team Klaw which is director of illegal immigration sales.