Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[DPG21920]

I'll believe it when I see it. Derozan is one of my least favorite players in the league but I'll take any deal right now so I don't have to listen to that fuck Cris Carter or any other talking head mention the Spurs again.

To be fair, Windhorst is the one that described the offer "compelling", not anybody from the Spurs' camp. For all we know, offer could have been Lowry + steak sandwich considerations that got his ears all perked up...

Sure but everyone here owes M4T and Mo an apology IMO. They two times before national media talked about it called TOR conversataions happening and from what I have heard there is a LEGIT possiblity a deal gets done.

There are some factors (SA with a solid offer now has more leverage to go back to other teams, risk of teams seeing Kawhi in Vegas and upping their offers which is motivating TOR, etc..) and they were close before, but it seems pretty damn close now.

[iGetbuckets]

Been trying to tell y'all, but apparently I'm trolling. :lol

Do you have an idea what players Toronto is offering?

[vander]

If Kawhi is moved somewhere other than LA, I will hold off on calling LA idiots until after next free agency. But if they let that happen and Kawhi does not choose them in free agency, wow, what a huge mistake potentially.

Also it will be hilarious watching Kawhi walk to LA if he does go for so much less money potentially.


does Kawhi still want to go to the Lakers? I thought people were saying that he didn't want to go there with Lebron there now

[RD2191]

I'll believe it when I see it. Derozan is one of my least favorite players in the league but I'll take any deal right now so I don't have to listen to that fuck Cris Carter or any other talking head mention the Spurs again.

To be fair, Windhorst is the one that described the offer "compelling", not anybody from the Spurs' camp. For all we know, offer could have been Lowry + steak sandwich considerations that got his ears all perked up...

:lol

[NASpurs]

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[DPG21920]

It could be as simple as the Lakers not believing he would re-sign with them if they traded for him. I know Woj put it out there today that he still wants the Lakers, but this directly refutes what Michael Wright said on that podcast over a couple of weeks ago, and it's also curious that it seems like the Lakers pulled back on their offers around that same time. I'll say this: if Kawhi is healthy and would be a lock to re-up with the Lakers, I think they are making a big mistake by not offering Ingram, if that is indeed the case.

I don’t think there is any chance in hell that if Kawhi was moved to the Lakers that he bolts for the Clippers. Nothing has been said that Clippers are so far the favorites that Kawhi would leave money on the table to walk to LAC.

[loveforthegame]

When’s the earliest Kawhi can be flipped? It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Raptors trade him to LA asap.

[spursistan]

I heard Danny Green would be a part of this potential deal with Toronto. If it goes down like that I'm not sure I'm happy about that. He's still pretty good on defense and his contract comes off the books after this next season. I'd prefer Mills be included. However, if they are receiving OG as part of the deal then I guess that would make up for Danny being traded away.

You might as well drop the "I heard" part. You are not relaying any specific information with multiple instances of guesswork in the post above (If..i prefer..etc).

That's just random trade package speculation everyone one of us is dabbling in right now..

[RD2191]

Do you have an idea what players Toronto is offering?

No, because he's full of shit. Windhorst will have dinner tonight. See, I can break news too.

[17505]

If you have White who is an excellent 3 point shooter, Bertans and Beli too I don’t see it being crazy.

Put it this way, SA should overall be slightly better at 3 than last year but you add DeMar’s scoring over Kyle’s. It won’t be a top offense for sure, but it’s wayyyyy better shooting than LA has and should be a top 10 offense IMO.

The defense is the bigger question mark as swapping Kyle for DeMar is a downgrade there. I dont’ think DeMar has it in him to be a plus defender.

But let’s say the most common lineup would be:

Murray/White/DeRozan/Bertans/LMA - not incredible shooting, but enough. Even more if you put Mills in for Murray.

If this trade goes down, is it possible at all that the Spurs could flip DeRozan within a year? I mean, is he really getting you anywhere? Yeah, the Spurs will stay afloat in the playoff chase with him and with the other players y'all have, but if the goal is championships, with him taking up that much cap space, is he helping you towards that goal? Is there a case to be made that after getting OG, it might make more sense to cash in on DeRozan and get more assets? Just thinking out loud here.

[DPG21920]

I'm saying, given all that's transpired, that day was irrelevant and therefore unlikely to have any bearing on the trade discussions.

At this point, I'd imagine the Spurs want to at least wait out the U.S. camp, see if they can gain any traction with him. It's also somewhat of an opportunity for teams to gauge his health or at least pulse.




Obviously things could change in nearly a year, but at this writing, Leonard being traded anywhere but the 76ers (or Clippers, but they were never a viable option), is a win for the Lakers.

We will see which is why I said I would hold off, but I’m telling you I feel Kawhi is mad at the Lakers. If they force him, when they CLEARLY have the assets to trade for him to move for a year, play in Canada, risk injury and take less money? I am going on record saying I think the bridge is burned like PG.

[Holden_Caulfield]

My hot wife is better for that
She is a ten!

Pm me the nudes

[DPG21920]

does Kawhi still want to go to the Lakers? I thought people were saying that he didn't want to go there with Lebron there now

They said he wants LA period. Whether it’s Clips or Lakers, but Clips might have an edge due to Lebron/circus. But that he would still love Lakers.

[ducks]

spurs could rebuild and trade DeRozan and lma for younger stars yes

[monkeypunk]

She believes in the bill of rights and constitution
Like me

Both have voted for democracts and republicans

That's great but who you support is wiping his ass with both. Just fyi, imo, tbh

[Rocalcio]

The comments :lol do your thing ST

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Is that his wife ?! Damn, I understand why he’s such a pain in the ass and why he wants so badly to enjoy the nephew’s money...

[rastaspur]

I just got on 4protocols twitter and called incle dennis a down syndrome version of lavar ball. I did my part and will be blocked. I think my twitter handle is "bill clinton's soggy cigar"

[Mugen]

Sure but everyone here owes M4T and Mo an apology IMO. They two times before national media talked about it called TOR conversataions happening and from what I have heard there is a LEGIT possiblity a deal gets done.

There are some factors (SA with a solid offer now has more leverage to go back to other teams, risk of teams seeing Kawhi in Vegas and upping their offers which is motivating TOR, etc..) and they were close before, but it seems pretty damn close now.

I don't think it's close and I doubt it happens and I doubt any of those guys have inside knowledge about it since I'm not sure even the front office knows what they're doing. It really doesn't make sense from the Raptors perspective unless the offer is a lot less compelling than what we actually think it is...and if that's the case then it doesn't really make sense from the Spurs perspective.

If it happens, sure I'll give credit where credit is due.

[LkrFan]

Hart played phenomenal. I was saying Derrick played amazing too and it would be silly to say he won’t be included in a deal for a star. That was all. I like Hart.

Just messing witcha. Agreed.

I love our kids, even though most of ST be hating. :lol

I want a star, but I am genuinely curious to see the growth our kids will have playing with the best player in the game. I think we are gonna shock some people. Peep these interesting stats from our 47 losses last year:

- 26 losses by < 10 points
- 13 losses by < 7 points
- 7 losses by < 4 points
- 4 losses by < 3 points

All this without a star who could close for us. Now the kids have a year under their belt and in Luke's offense. Like Tatum and Brown, now Kuz and Ingram get to play off of a star. All that attention LBJ will get? Our young guns have an opportunity to make strides.

We beat several playoff teams last year with the youngest roster in the league. Maginka is wise to not give up the farm (yet). Trade deadline might be another matter tho :lol

[DPG21920]

If this trade goes down, is it possible at all that the Spurs could flip DeRozan within a year? I mean, is he really getting you anywhere? Yeah, the Spurs will stay afloat in the playoff chase with him and with the other players y'all have, but if the goal is championships, with him taking up that much cap space, is he helping you towards that goal? Is there a case to be made that after getting OG, it might make more sense to cash in on DeRozan and get more assets? Just thinking out loud here.

That is like saying would La flip Lebron in a year? They very obviously aren’t better then even the Spurs with DeRozan/LMA and if the goal is titles, what is Lebron and a bunch of Rondo/McGee and medicore young guys going to do?

SA will be a top 4 team in the West getting White in for TP, Beli in for Manu and DeRozan in for Kyle if this goes down. They IMO will be number 2 or right even with HOU/OKC/UTA. If GS slips up, then SA is right there and still has a path in the near future to some wiggle room.

But sure, I think if it’s awful and not a good fit, LMA and/or DeRozan can get moved. I think SA is 1) trying to win as much as possible and since there are only so many “stars” you can’t always get perfect fit and 2) asset accumulation which DeRozan is.

[Spurs da champs]

Is that his wife ?! Damn, I understand why he’s such a pain in the ass and why he wants so badly to enjoy the nephew’s money...

:lmao

[rastaspur]

Is that his wife ?! Damn, I understand why he’s such a pain in the ass and why he wants so badly to enjoy the nephew’s money...

I see why he is trying to get that paper. I cant 8magine how much a plane ticket is going to cost to send that wookie back to planet indour (spelling?)

[slick'81]

Been trying to tell y'all, but apparently I'm trolling. :lol

keep up the good work broski :lobt2:

[DPG21920]

I don't think it's close and I doubt it happens and I doubt any of those guys have inside knowledge about it since I'm not sure even the front office knows what they're doing. It really doesn't make sense from the Raptors perspective unless the offer is a lot less compelling than what we actually think it is...and if that's the case then it doesn't really make sense from the Spurs perspective.

If it happens, sure I'll give credit where credit is due.

You stingy as hell :lol. They do know something and were told by their sources which is why they told us BEFORE any news broke. Deals come and go all the time; they were not saying it’s 100% done, but they obviously know someone because this isn’t just BS. It’s legit confirmed by multiple people that TOR and SA are talking and they said it BEFORE that.

The FO does know what they are doing but two things: 1) They were put in a sh*t situation and are having to react calmly and as best as possible & 2) Their objectives may not align with our wishes. I firmly believe they want to stay competitive. They would only bottom out and rebuild if that is what they were forced to do and that coincided with their best offers.

But getting an all-star, even a bottom tier all-star is their priority whether we like it or not (I am ok with it knowing I like watching a team win vs suck, as long as they get a young piece and/or a pick too).

[RD2191]

I see why he is trying to get that paper. I cant 8magine how much a plane ticket is going to cost to send that wookie back to planet indour (spelling?)

Endor you uncultured swine. And wookiees are from Kashyyyk, not Endor.

[MoSpur02]

I don't think it's close and I doubt it happens and I doubt any of those guys have inside knowledge about it since I'm not sure even the front office knows what they're doing. It really doesn't make sense from the Raptors perspective unless the offer is a lot less compelling than what we actually think it is...and if that's the case then it doesn't really make sense from the Spurs perspective.

If it happens, sure I'll give credit where credit is due.

Not looking for anything to be honest. Just sharing info I receive. I'm not trying to troll or whatever. I'm a Spurs fan who just wants this dude gone. The sooner the better.

[17505]

That is like saying would La flip Lebron in a year? They very obviously aren’t better then even the Spurs with DeRozan/LMA and if the goal is titles, what is Lebron and a bunch of Rondo/McGee and medicore young guys going to do?

SA will be a top 4 team in the West getting White in for TP, Beli in for Manu and DeRozan in for Kyle if this goes down. They IMO will be number 2 or right even with HOU/OKC/UTA. If GS slips up, then SA is right there and still has a path in the near future to some wiggle room.

But sure, I think if it’s awful and not a good fit, LMA and/or DeRozan can get moved. I think SA is 1) trying to win as much as possible and since there are only so many “stars” you can’t always get perfect fit and 2) asset accumulation which DeRozan is.

You just compared DeRozan to LeBron. Really? Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, think that the Spurs are in a better position going forward than the Lakers are?

[monkeypunk]

If you have White who is an excellent 3 point shooter, Bertans and Beli too I don’t see it being crazy.

Put it this way, SA should overall be slightly better at 3 than last year but you add DeMar’s scoring over Kyle’s. It won’t be a top offense for sure, but it’s wayyyyy better shooting than LA has and should be a top 10 offense IMO.

The defense is the bigger question mark as swapping Kyle for DeMar is a downgrade there. I dont’ think DeMar has it in him to be a plus defender.

But let’s say the most common lineup would be:

Murray/White/DeRozan/Bertans/LMA - not incredible shooting, but enough. Even more if you put Mills in for Murray.

Maybe I'm smoking hopium but I think White, Murray (Murray is a better passer than he's gotten to show in SA) and Beli could bring back a bit of the Beautiful Game, just need someone to pass out of the post.

[RD2191]

You just compared DeRozan to LeBron. Really? Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, think that the Spurs are in a better position going forward than the Lakers are?

Of course they are, the Lakers are a joke. And they'll be an even bigger joke if they fail to land Kawhi in free agency.

[TD 21]

We will see which is why I said I would hold off, but I’m telling you I feel Kawhi is mad at the Lakers. If they force him, when they CLEARLY have the assets to trade for him to move for a year, play in Canada, risk injury and take less money? I am going on record saying I think the bridge is burned like PG.

Maybe, but I'm sure his uncle will attempt to brainwash him into thinking it was the big, bad Spurs who were unwilling to play ball with the Lakers.



I don't think it's close and I doubt it happens and I doubt any of those guys have inside knowledge about it since I'm not sure even the front office knows what they're doing. It really doesn't make sense from the Raptors perspective unless the offer is a lot less compelling than what we actually think it is...and if that's the case then it doesn't really make sense from the Spurs perspective.

If it happens, sure I'll give credit where credit is due.

Actually, it does. I think Ujiri prefers to blow it up, but because DeRozan and Lowry have among the least trade value of any stars in the league, they're better off retaining them, churning out 50+ win seasons and continuing to probably do well financially . . . until this came up.

It's such a rare opportunity, especially for a team like them. They're uniquely positioned to take the risk, because how else do they get a top 5 player (other than fluking out picking in the he 20s)? If he leaves, they'll at least have lost DeRozan and by extension entered into a re-build by taking that chance, as opposed to trading him for the unimpressive package he'd otherwise garner.

[rastaspur]

Endor you uncultured swine. And wookiees are from Kashyyyk, not Endor.

Either way its not going to be cheap.

I got confused. Johnny cochran's wookie defense is predicated on the wookie not being from endor. Thats why it didnt make sense and you must acquit. I stand corrected.

Thanks to rd and the south park johnny cochran

[Namundy]

I really don't get it from the Raptors perspective. They've literally waited this entire time, kept the group together through some ass whuppings, and then the minute LeBron leaves -- "Let's blow it up!". I'm not saying I doubt it but this seems like the exact time for them to run it back. Yeah they got swept but it's LeBron fuckin James and he's gone now. This is their chance and they're going to blow it up for a rental? Seems odd.

[Mugen]

Not looking for anything to be honest. Just sharing info I receive. I'm not trying to troll or whatever. I'm a Spurs fan who just wants this dude gone. The sooner the better.

:lol Glad you're not taking anything personally. This thing is a clusterfuck and I doubt anybody has any real insider info when the parties involved probably don't know what they're doing.

[cool cat]

Three hours ago

I also mentioned that after the Toronto backed out that Phoenix and LAC were two teams that the Spurs had potential deals with.

[SpursDynasty85]

I really don't get it from the Raptors perspective. They've literally waited this entire time, kept the group together through some ass whuppings, and then the minute LeBron leaves -- "Let's blow it up!". I'm not saying I doubt it but this seems like the exact time for them to run it back. Yeah they got swept but it's LeBron fuckin James and he's gone now. This is their chance and they're going to blow it up for a rental? Seems odd.

They got swept by. Cavs squad that took 7 games to beat a bunch of 2nd year and rookie players the very next series. Toronto has 65M tied up in DeRozan and Lowry. Plus another 25 or so for Ibaka. Its definitely time to blow it up. Here they at least have an outside shot to get a legit generational player in Kawhi. If he walks, they start the rebuild. Makes great sense. Boston and Philly both stronger than last year and will likely beat the current Toronto squad.

[RD2191]

I really don't get it from the Raptors perspective. They've literally waited this entire time, kept the group together through some ass whuppings, and then the minute LeBron leaves -- "Let's blow it up!". I'm not saying I doubt it but this seems like the exact time for them to run it back. Yeah they got swept but it's LeBron fuckin James and he's gone now. This is their chance and they're going to blow it up for a rental? Seems odd.

Landing Kawhi isn't blowing up. Kawhi easily gets them to the ECF and maybe even the finals.

[17505]

Of course they are, the Lakers are a joke. And they'll be an even bigger joke if they fail to land Kawhi in free agency.

Yes, the Lakers are a joke, despite having the best player in the game, a lot of young talent, and the cap space to be able to add another max player next season. What an awful position to be in. The Lakers are 10-1 to win the NBA title this season, while the Spurs are 100-1.

As for Kawhi--the same guy that virtually this entire site has trashed--if the Lakers don't get him, they'll get another All-Star. You can't begrudge the Lakers for a failure to get Kawhi (if that happens) while y'all have trashed this very same guy for all the shit he's brought to the Spurs in the past year. Can't have that both ways.

[TimDunkem]

:lol at the notion that getting an arguably top 2 or 3 player in the world for a lower tier all star is "blowing it up".

[Mr. Body]

Yes, the Lakers are a joke, despite having the best player in the game, a lot of young talent, and the cap space to be able to add another max player next season. What an awful position to be in. The Lakers are 10-1 to win the NBA title this season, while the Spurs are 100-1.

As for Kawhi--the same guy that virtually this entire site has trashed--if the Lakers don't get him, they'll get another All-Star. You can't begrudge the Lakers for a failure to get Kawhi (if that happens) while y'all have trashed this very same guy for all the shit he's brought to the Spurs in the past year. Can't have that both ways.

Lol at gambling odds to help your self esteem.

With LeBron, I think you're looking at the last years of Kobe's career once again. Good job, there.

[RD2191]

Yes, the Lakers are a joke, despite having the best player in the game, a lot of young talent, and the cap space to be able to add another max player next season. What an awful position to be in. The Lakers are 10-1 to win the NBA title this season, while the Spurs are 100-1.

As for Kawhi--the same guy that virtually this entire site has trashed--if the Lakers don't get him, they'll get another All-Star. You can't begrudge the Lakers for a failure to get Kawhi (if that happens) while y'all have trashed this very same guy for all the shit he's brought to the Spurs in the past year. Can't have that both ways.

The Lakers are going to be a 5th or 6th seed at best. Your young players are trash. You know it and I know it.

[SpursDynasty85]

Landing Kawhi isn't blowing up. Kawhi easily gets them to the ECF and maybe even the finals.

Yes. Next year they are better but if he leaves, very real risk, they have to blow it up. Which for the Raptors I think they are fine with. Trade makes sense for both parties. It's about whether they can sell that to the Raptors owners and fans. If Kawhi leaves they see this as a clear loss when in reality it was a rebuild with a shot at Kawhi.

[17505]

Lol at gambling odds to help your self esteem.

With LeBron, I think you're looking at the last years of Kobe's career once again. Good job, there.

This is just so ridiculous and I don't even know why I bother to respond to you. Kobe was done the moment he snapped his Achilles. He was still great right up until that very moment. He didn't have it after that, was never the same. LeBron is still the best player in the game as we speak right now. Will he decline? Eventually, of course. But he isn't coming off of a devastating injury when the Lakers signed him, last time I checked.

[DPG21920]

You just compared DeRozan to LeBron. Really? Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, think that the Spurs are in a better position going forward than the Lakers are?

I think that your point of giving it less than a year when SA is reasonably as good as everyone but GS in the West is silly was the point.

I’m not comparing DeRozan to Lebron. I’m comparing SA with DeRozan to LA with Lebron and year, in my heart of hearts think that SA would be better this year.

Would I say going forward? No. LA has more flexibility as of now, potential for young guys to grow and add more talent in free agency. But they thought they would get all that this year and it didn’t happen.

But without Lebron last year LA’s core won 35 games. They lost Brook Lopez and Randle and replaced them with Rondo/Lance/McGee essentially. So at best let’s call their team a wash. Then you add Lebron.

SA without Kawhi last year won 47 games. They lost TP, Kyle & Joff and replaced them with Beli, White & Cunningham. I think that is slightly worse, but we can call that a wash too. Then you add DeRozan and maybe OG.

So yes, I think if you look at both cores and adding Bron to LA this year and DeRozan to SA this year, that SA is a better team.

[FkLA]

Sure but everyone here owes M4T and Mo an apology IMO. They two times before national media talked about it called TOR conversataions happening and from what I have heard there is a LEGIT possiblity a deal gets done.

There are some factors (SA with a solid offer now has more leverage to go back to other teams, risk of teams seeing Kawhi in Vegas and upping their offers which is motivating TOR, etc..) and they were close before, but it seems pretty damn close now.

What has M4T called before the national media was on it? He just seems like a good tea leaf reader. I made a lot posts throughout the year (Gordon in NO type holdout, Jordan shoe deal, wanting to be in LA, uncle is Lavar Ball, etc) that ended up being right, the only difference is I worded them as an opinion not as info I got from an "insider".

As far as Mo goes, I dont think TOR was even on anyone's radar until it was brought up by him out of nowhere in this thread so there's a chance his info is legit, imo.

[Namundy]

They got swept by. Cavs squad that took 7 games to beat a bunch of 2nd year and rookie players the very next series. Toronto has 65M tied up in DeRozan and Lowry. Plus another 25 or so for Ibaka. Its definitely time to blow it up. Here they at least have an outside shot to get a legit generational player in Kawhi. If he walks, they start the rebuild. Makes great sense. Boston and Philly both stronger than last year and will likely beat the current Toronto squad.

They have to know he's not signing long term. The only way this makes sense (in my amateur ass opinion) is if they manage to keep DeRozan and Lowry and form a temporary big three with Leonard. That would truly be the only combination to make Boston or Philly say .. "Welp, shit." Everything I see includes DeRozan though -- maybe I just don't get it. Kawhi, Lowry, and pieces don't scare me if I'm Boston or Philly.

[cd021]

I would say both CA and TX are statistical outliers since they are the two biggest states in America. If you don't count both of these states votes then Trump still loses the popular vote by a few hundred thousand. It goes to show you he's unpopular around the whole entire country.

That, and his aggregated approval rating is 42% with 53% disapproval.

Simply put, he just isn't popular.

[FireMicoHalili]

Just messing witcha. Agreed.

I love our kids, even though most of ST be hating. :lol

I want a star, but I am genuinely curious to see the growth our kids will have playing with the best player in the game. I think we are gonna shock some people. Peep these interesting stats from our 47 losses last year:

- 26 losses by < 10 points
- 13 losses by < 7 points
- 7 losses by < 4 points
- 4 losses by < 3 points

All this without a star who could close for us. Now the kids have a year under their belt and in Luke's offense. Like Tatum and Brown, now Kuz and Ingram get to play off of a star. All that attention LBJ will get? Our young guns have an opportunity to make strides.

We beat several playoff teams last year with the youngest roster in the league. Maginka is wise to not give up the farm (yet). Trade deadline might be another matter tho :lol
Theoretically if the Lakers have another losing season whom do you think gets blamed? The coach? Lack of star power? Or inexperience? Walton coached the Warriors to a 39-4 start in Kerr’s absence but he seems like a scrubby coach. Brad Stevens turned it around in Year 3 so if Walton fails to make anything out of a squad with LeBron what do you think happens?

[DPG21920]

Yes, the Lakers are a joke, despite having the best player in the game, a lot of young talent, and the cap space to be able to add another max player next season. What an awful position to be in. The Lakers are 10-1 to win the NBA title this season, while the Spurs are 100-1.

As for Kawhi--the same guy that virtually this entire site has trashed--if the Lakers don't get him, they'll get another All-Star. You can't begrudge the Lakers for a failure to get Kawhi (if that happens) while y'all have trashed this very same guy for all the shit he's brought to the Spurs in the past year. Can't have that both ways.

What? We trashed Kawhi for the off court stuff. The on court stuff even if we hate him is lauded. La wouldn’t have the off court stuff becaue he wants to be there.

And yes, La can get an all-star besides Kawhi (we assume), but there is no one better than Kawhi and LA would be worse with PG, Butler, Klay vs Kawhi

[FkLA]

I just got on 4protocols twitter and called incle dennis a down syndrome version of lavar ball. I did my part and will be blocked. I think my twitter handle is "bill clinton's soggy cigar"

:lmao

[SpursDynasty85]

They have to know he's not signing long term. The only way this makes sense (in my amateur ass opinion) is if they manage to keep DeRozan and Lowry and form a temporary big three with Leonard. That would truly be the only combination to make Boston or Philly say .. "Welp, shit." Everything I see includes DeRozan though -- maybe I just don't get it. Kawhi, Lowry, and pieces don't scare me if I'm Boston or Philly.

Well it's clearly an upgrade over DeRozan. Personally when healthy, Kawhi is the best player in the NBA imo. If it doesn't workout next rebuild. Toronto has terrible contracts.

Toronto does have a pretty big market with a small town vibe I've heard. Drake alone I'm sure would work with Kawh in and his group on bringing endorsements. It would really help Kawhi's mgmt to stick with a team and appear more loyal at this point.

[exstatic]

When’s the earliest Kawhi can be flipped? It wouldn’t surprise me to see the Raptors trade him to LA asap.

Magic screwed himself. All those guys on one year contracts can’t be traded without their consent, and who would consent to leave LA to go to a crash and burn in TOR? The only other salary they have is Deng, and TOR isn’t taking that two year albatross. TOR is one of the few deals you could Connie up where there is almost no chance of a flip to LA. :lol

[DPG21920]

Yes. Next year they are better but if he leaves, very real risk, they have to blow it up. Which for the Raptors I think they are fine with. Trade makes sense for both parties. It's about whether they can sell that to the Raptors owners and fans. If Kawhi leaves they see this as a clear loss when in reality it was a rebuild with a shot at Kawhi.

I see what you are saying and agree. This trade means TOR is willing to blow it up no matter what unless they can convince Kawhi to stay.

[marinoman]

DeRozans nickname by Toronto fans is DeKobe, so who knows maybe if he comes here he can have a bigman carry him to championships too

[RD2191]

I see what you are saying and agree. This trade means TOR is willing to blow it up no matter what unless they can convince Kawhi to stay.
What choice do they have tbh? Boston and Philly are the teams of the East for the foreseeable future.

[RD2191]

Lowry and DD are a failed experiment. They'll never be good enough to win it all.

[NASpurs]

Jason McIntyre: Spurs would be ‘absolutely crazy’ to trade Kawhi to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan


https://www.foxsports.com/watch/speak-for-yourself/video/1279620163598

Who's this sniveling faggot and why do I want to punch him on the face so bad? He has one of those faces.

[RsxPiimp]

DeRozans nickname by Toronto fans is DeKobe, so who knows maybe if he comes here he can have a bigman carry him to championships too

some people call demar costco kobe :lol i thought that’s hilarious

[DPG21920]

What will be interesting with the Lakers not trading for Kawhi is the list of free agents on paper may not be as big once time gets there:

KD/Klay are free agents but will they get there? I don’t know. Possible and if they land KD then all is forgiven.

Kyrie, but no way he joins Bron.

Butler: Definiely possible but he’s not guaranteed to go to LA.

So LA will have money but there is a lot of risk spurning Kawhi just like there was with PG. Probably more since Kawhi is a legit star, wanted LA and LA didn’t come get him when things were toxic. I can truly see Kawhi being pissed off.

Also, the upside of LAs youth also has a downside: What if they aren’t as good as people think? Their trade value goes down. You only have cap space for one more star since you have them on the books, where if you traded them for Kawhi, you get a definite star now and cap space for another star too.

There is upside and risk in LA’s plan which is crazy when you have Lebron and another top 3 player in Kawhi wanting to go there and the assets to get it done.

[FireMicoHalili]

DeRozans nickname by Toronto fans is DeKobe, so who knows maybe if he comes here he can have a bigman carry him to championships too
If there’s one thing Kobe loves it’s having great big men who can actually carry the team so he can chuck up jumpers :lol smh Magic has the same amount of championships and one FMVP more than Kobe does but Kobe keeps gloating about his five. Never seen Duncan do that either.

[DPG21920]

What choice do they have tbh? Boston and Philly are the teams of the East for the foreseeable future.

For sure, I’m saying I get what he was saying. People were laughing at him saying TOR is blowing it up, but even with Kawhi that is what they are doing most likely. Its just a high upside blowing of a team up where there is a chance they wont have to do that if the miracle happens.

[RsxPiimp]

Theoretically if the Lakers have another losing season whom do you think gets blamed?


magics t cells

[17505]

What? We trashed Kawhi for the off court stuff. The on court stuff even if we hate him is lauded. La wouldn’t have the off court stuff becaue he wants to be there.

And yes, La can get an all-star besides Kawhi (we assume), but there is no one better than Kawhi and LA would be worse with PG, Butler, Klay vs Kawhi

I don't think you can just assume that all the off-the-court stuff goes away just because he leaves San Antonio. Teams have very real concerns about him off-the-court. I don't actually think he's a bad guy, but he's easily manipulated (draw your own conclusions), and the stuff going on with his uncle is a big problem. Teams just don't know what to expect. On that latest Ben Golliver "Open Floor" podcast, he talks about it.

I agree that a healthy Kawhi is better than those players you listed. But perhaps there's a case to be made that the Lakers are better off keeping all of the young players and then adding a different All-Star, as opposed to giving up 1 or more of the young players and then getting Kawhi. Particularly when you take the off-the-court baggage into consideration.

[venitian navigator]

I don't see a trade with Toronto with DDR included...and let's be real: without Kiwhi, and LMA in his best season, our outcome has been barely joining the play offs. So I don't see next season without Kiwhi a chance to be contenders again. DDR doesn't change the equation.
The point is that for Toronto having back their veteran's core + Kiwhi means be back in contention for eastern conference title and, without LBJ in the east, a possible nba finals.
Considering the rosters, Toronto is loaded on the front court, and we lack bigs.
Considering the season, both their main priced bigs, alias Ibaka and Valenciunas, dodn't have a great season to the point that Nogueira, now out of then team, played for them a lot of games. The formes have been linked to us many times (also if Ibaka is probably in free fall as a player) while I think Toronto has not given up on re-signing Nogueira.
More to it is that they have been full of young front court players we could like: OG, Poeltl, Siakam are the names I see as palatable.
The trade I see as possible is Valenciunas+Og+ Poeltl/Siakam+ 2 1st round picks for Kiwhi and Paul

[NASpurs]

Spurstalk keeps going in and out. We need a temp base of operations here. :lol

Kori said they're doing something with the servers. What if some shit goes down (like a trade) and I have to start downvoting vanillas on reddit?

[spurraider21]

Spurstalk keeps going in and out. We need a temp base of operations here. :lol

Kori said they're doing something with the servers. What if some shit goes down (like a trade) and I have to start downvoting vanillas on reddit? Splits set up spurstalk.net

[Spurs9]

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[Holden_Caulfield]

Is this a done deal, tbh?

[NASpurs]

Splits (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=24583) set up spurstalk.net

Dead site, it's not even registered anymore.

[Mr. Body]

This is just so ridiculous and I don't even know why I bother to respond to you. Kobe was done the moment he snapped his Achilles. He was still great right up until that very moment. He didn't have it after that, was never the same. LeBron is still the best player in the game as we speak right now. Will he decline? Eventually, of course. But he isn't coming off of a devastating injury when the Lakers signed him, last time I checked.

LeBron isn't getting better. He's going downhill. You signed him to a four year deal with a team that's not very good. Sure, you have a max slot, so you best use it well. Otherwise you're treading water as a bottom-of-the-bracket playoff team. When James ain't all that two years from now, then what?

[SpursDynasty85]

I don't think you can just assume that all the off-the-court stuff goes away just because he leaves San Antonio. Teams have very real concerns about him off-the-court. I don't actually think he's a bad guy, but he's easily manipulated (draw your own conclusions), and the stuff going on with his uncle is a big problem. Teams just don't know what to expect. On that latest Ben Golliver "Open Floor" podcast, he talks about it.

I agree that a healthy Kawhi is better than those players you listed. But perhaps there's a case to be made that the Lakers are better off keeping all of the young players and then adding a different All-Star, as opposed to giving up 1 or more of the young players and then getting Kawhi. Particularly when you take the off-the-court baggage into consideration.

I am totally with you. All the major teams that are mentioned Philly, Boston, even LALakers were not in a rush and can play the long game. I like Lakers young players and they were sure to improve with or without Lebron. Losing Randle sucks, but gaining Lebron is big. If Lebron truly does play unselfish (I argue he has been very selfish, especially this past year) they can compete against everyone but the Warriors and probably the Celtics.

[RD2191]

Spurstalk keeps going in and out. We need a temp base of operations here. :lol

Kori said they're doing something with the servers. What if some shit goes down (like a trade) and I have to start downvoting vanillas on reddit?

Lmao. We'd all get banned within minutes.

[dubross]

I don't see a trade with Toronto with DDR included...and let's be real: without Kiwhi, and LMA in his best season, our outcome has been barely joining the play offs. So I don't see next season without Kiwhi a chance to be contenders again. DDR doesn't change the equation.
The point is that for Toronto having back their veteran's core + Kiwhi means be back in contention for eastern conference title and, without LBJ in the east, a possible nba finals.
Considering the rosters, Toronto is loaded on the front court, and we lack bigs.
Considering the season, both their main priced bigs, alias Ibaka and Valenciunas, dodn't have a great season to the point that Nogueira, now out of then team, played for them a lot of games. The formes have been linked to us many times (also if Ibaka is probably in free fall as a player) while I think Toronto has not given up on re-signing Nogueira.
More to it is that they have been full of young front court players we could like: OG, Poeltl, Siakam are the names I see as palatable.
The trade I see as possible is Valenciunas+Og+ Poeltl/Siakam+ 2 1st round picks for Kiwhi and Paul

If Valencuinous is the center piece and not Derozan then this would be a worse trade. In today’s NBA he isn’t as valuable. Might as well throw a filler at Okafor and see what he can do and he is much cheaper

[Mr. Body]

I am totally with you. All the major teams that are mentioned Philly, Boston, even LALakers were not in a rush and can play the long game. I like Lakers young players and they were sure to improve with or without Lebron. Losing Randle sucks, but gaining Lebron is big. If Lebron truly does play unselfish (I argue he has been very selfish, especially this past year) they can compete against everyone but the Warriors and probably the Celtics.

A team like Utah would eat the Lakers for breakfast.

[dabom]

I got us with Spurstalk.gov

[lmbebo]

I got us with Spurstalk.gov
hrmmmm

[dabom]

Free Obama phones with enrollment.

[spurraider21]

Is this a done deal, tbh?
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[dbestpro]

The idea that KL will not sign long term with Toronto is an idea that is flawed. The true reason KL is in this situation is that his uncle wants to become big time in marketing. When he realizes he has a better chance to do that in Toronto extending globally, LA will be a distant memory.

[BatManu20]

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[SpursDynasty85]

A team like Utah would eat the Lakers for breakfast.

If you say so. I'll say their records and performances in playoffs will be competitively similar.

[BatManu20]

The idea that KL will not sign long term with Toronto is an idea that is flawed. The true reason KL is in this situation is that his uncle wants to become big time in marketing. When he realizes he has a better chance to do that in Toronto extending globally, LA will be a distant memory.

I wish I shared your enthusiasm, but I'm pretty sure Kawhi is a Los Angeles Laker next summer, tbh.

[venitian navigator]

If Valencuinous is the center piece and not Derozan then this would be a worse trade. In today’s NBA he isn’t as valuable. Might as well throw a filler at Okafor and see what he can do and he is much cheaper

Right, but this trade is more in line with the actual Spurs ...remember that LMA likes to play as second big but he's unplayable with Pau. Valenciunas (or Ibaka) and Poeltl (or Siakam) at least can move themselves better on defense (and all 4 are good rebounders and shot blockers).
The only player that with time can take a similar Kiwhi role is Og, and that's the only player (not DDR) that makes the deal reasonable...plus the 2 first round choices.

[gambit1990]

please let there be a third to team for demar to be shipped to.

[Mr. Body]

If you say so. I'll say their records and performances in playoffs will be competitively similar.

One hand, you have a nice, tough-ass defensive team that has already been in the playoffs. Other, you have a shitty-ass Lakers team without any direction with a bored LeBron slapped on. You're not taking Utah? You're dumb.

[-21-]

I'd take DeRozan and OG in a heartbeat. Anything on top of that (picks or other assets) would be gravy tbh. Not the biggest DeRozan fan, but at this point it's the best the Spurs can get. An all-star scorer to keep the team competitive for Pop's last years and a prospect with good potential that actually fills a positional need.

As surprised as I am that the Raptors seem to be going all in for Kawhi, it does make some sense. With LeBron gone, they've got a realistic shot at getting to the Finals. Maybe Masai has given up on the Lowry-DeRozan duo and just wants to dump one of their large contracts. Replacing one of them with Kawhi only makes them better (if Kawhi is 100%). If he bolts in FA, then they get to rebuild. Curious to know how much they are actually willing to give.

[MoSpur02]

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Basically everything I've been saying. The Raptors have been sitting on this. They actually backed out initially as I stated because of health concerns. Brian Windhorst indicates the same thing around 1:00 mark of that clip. The Spurs front office felt that even after the Raptors backed out, the Raptors might still comeback and wanna do the trade.

[17505]

The idea that KL will not sign long term with Toronto is an idea that is flawed. The true reason KL is in this situation is that his uncle wants to become big time in marketing. When he realizes he has a better chance to do that in Toronto extending globally, LA will be a distant memory.


This is what I don't understand with Uncle Dennis' thinking if he thinks Kawhi will be in LeBron's shadow with the Lakers. The Lakers are gigantic globally, and the Clippers barely register a blip in Southern California and anywhere else, really. Did Kobe struggle from a marketing standpoint when he was the 1B to Shaq's 1A? No way. (He actually struggled a little bit in the wake of the rape accusations, but that's another story for another time.) If the play is branding, the Lakers are it. But I think the stuff about preferring the Clippers is real. Hey, I'd like to be wrong, as a Laker fan. Kawhi was my favorite non-Laker player in NBA history before this whole shitstorm broke out. Now I'm a little bit hesitant. At the absolute least, Kawhi has allowed himself to be taken advantage of by unscrupulous advisors. Maybe he's not equipped to deal with it. But yeah, I think it's natural to be hesitant about the off-the-court stuff right now.

[coachmac87]

Jason McIntyre: Spurs would be ‘absolutely crazy’ to trade Kawhi to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan


https://www.foxsports.com/watch/speak-for-yourself/video/1279620163598

That dude is a straight faggot on FS1. He’s the co captain of “Team LA” along with Cowherd. He’s just throwing a fit cause they’ve been pudshing the narrative of anti spurs and pro player.

Fuck him tbh

Who's this sniveling faggot and why do I want to punch him on the face so bad? He has one of those faces.

[MoSpur02]

If the Raptors do obtain Kawhi and he doesn't re-sign, they will have a lot of cap space come next off-season right?

[Spurs da champs]

I wonder if Drake could sway Kawhi and uncle Dennis to stay in Toronto?

[FkLA]

I don't see a trade with Toronto with DDR included...and let's be real: without Kiwhi, and LMA in his best season, our outcome has been barely joining the play offs. So I don't see next season without Kiwhi a chance to be contenders again. DDR doesn't change the equation.
The point is that for Toronto having back their veteran's core + Kiwhi means be back in contention for eastern conference title and, without LBJ in the east, a possible nba finals.

1. The Spurs were the 3rd seed the majority of the year, and the difference between them and the 3rd seed (POR) was minimal. In fact I think they win a series against POR last season.
2. Aside from Kawhitter, LMA, Gay, Green all missed significant amount of time due to injuries
3. Spurs system and culture is real, they'd be a Top 5 team with DeRozan and OG

[spurschamps99030507]

Richard Allan Jefferson = DeMar Darnell DeRozan 2.0

[MoSpur02]

It really bugs me that the Spurs are being looked at as being arrogant. This is not something you just do. You wait for the best package you can get. It's obvious they didn't get any great offers from teams like LA, Boston, and Philly so why trade him? They're doing exactly what every team should do. Wait. Do your due diligence and look over everything before sending him out.

The other I can't figure out is how or why Kawhi's uncle somewhat blames the Spurs for him not getting a big shoe deal. Does he not know who his nephew is? He doesn't have a very marketable character or whatever you wanna call it. His personality doesn't shout out marketability.

[Dverde]

If the Raptors do obtain Kawhi and he doesn't re-sign, they will have a lot of cap space come next off-season right?

Yes if Danny Green is also included. It’s 30 million in expiring contracts. That is why I could see them doing the trade. Only down thing would be giving up OG and future draft picks.

[BatManu20]

Basically everything I've been saying. The Raptors have been sitting on this. They actually backed out initially as I stated because of health concerns. Brian Windhorst indicates the same thing around 1:00 mark of that clip. The Spurs front office felt that even after the Raptors backed out, the Raptors might still comeback and wanna do the trade.

So you're saying they backed out last week due to health concerns, but now a week later they're suddenly all in again when absolutely nothing has changed those concerns? :lol

[venitian navigator]

1. The Spurs were the 3rd seed the majority of the year, and the difference between them and the 3rd seed (POR) was minimal. In fact I think they win a series against POR last season.
2. Aside from Kawhitter, LMA, Gay, Green all missed significant amount of time due to injuries
3. Spurs system and culture is real, they'd be a Top 5 team with DeRozan and OG

imho you value DDR too much...expecially coming play offs time.

[FireMicoHalili]

So you're saying they backed out last week due to health concerns, but now a week later they're suddenly all in again when absolutely nothing has changed those concerns? :lol
He’s been accurate for the most part. Definitely better than Pinoy Marauder (bar wasn’t set really high there) but I’ll take Mo predicting Raptors over Kawhi being on a plane for almost three weeks because it was a done deal.

[Killakobe81]

A team like Utah would eat the Lakers for breakfast.

Negro please.. UTAH is a paper tiger. They are well coached and play good defense but oy advanced cuz OKC under achieved... Lakers haven't proven shit but Utah outside of SpidaMitchell is vastly overrated. Love Ingles but on a great team he is a 7th or 8th man at best...

[BatManu20]

He’s been accurate for the most part. Definitely better than Pinoy Marauder (bar wasn’t set really high there) but I’ll take Mo predicting Raptors over Kawhi being on a plane for almost three weeks because it was a done deal.

I mean, I'm not saying he's wrong, but that reasoning doesn't make much sense. Toronto's also been rumored to be the most likely destination for like a week now.

[BatManu20]

Still don't think anything's going down in the next couple days. Think the Spurs are going to continue to take their sweet time with this.

[MoSpur02]

So you're saying they backed out last week due to health concerns, but now a week later they're suddenly all in again when absolutely nothing has changed those concerns? :lol

Did you not watch that segment posted with Brian Windhorst? He basically said the same thing except he didn't say they backed out. There are question marks regarding his health, which is why I think it may be one reason Spurs haven't offered the max extension. Just my opinion.

The Raptors I'm sure are concerned about potential health problems when it comes to Kawhi. Their risking a lot if they trade for Kawhi and it turns out he's not healthy so yeah I'm sure they pumped the brakes to think it over some more. I don't see anything weird about that. Im sure the concerns may still be there in the back of their minds, but their probably willing to risk it now.

[SpursDynasty85]

One hand, you have a nice, tough-ass defensive team that has already been in the playoffs. Other, you have a shitty-ass Lakers team without any direction with a bored LeBron slapped on. You're not taking Utah? You're dumb.

Never said I wouldn't but I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron and the Lakers beat them in a tough series. Utah would be favored but would I put money on it? No.

[Mr. Body]

Negro please.. UTAH is a paper tiger. They are well coached and play good defense but oy advanced cuz OKC under achieved... Lakers haven't proven shit but Utah outside of SpidaMitchell is vastly overrated. Love Ingles but on a great team he is a 7th or 8th man at best...

Only thing you got right was LAL as paper tigers. The paperiest.

[SpursDynasty85]

Basically everything I've been saying. The Raptors have been sitting on this. They actually backed out initially as I stated because of health concerns. Brian Windhorst indicates the same thing around 1:00 mark of that clip. The Spurs front office felt that even after the Raptors backed out, the Raptors might still comeback and wanna do the trade.

They might be waiting to see Kawhi play.

[FkLA]

I mean, I'm not saying he's wrong, but that reasoning doesn't make much sense. Toronto's also been rumored to be the most likely destination for like a week now.

Tbf the whole conversation about TOR started with him in this thread. Came completely out of left field. Then people found his deleted instagram history (which ended up being nothing since he does it every year), and later in the day the odds had TOR at even.

[17505]

Negro please.. UTAH is a paper tiger. They are well coached and play good defense but oy advanced cuz OKC under achieved... Lakers haven't proven shit but Utah outside of SpidaMitchell is vastly overrated. Love Ingles but on a great team he is a 7th or 8th man at best...

You're underrating Ingles. Dude can really play. He's a deadly 3-point shooter, he's put up better than a .600 TS % two seasons in a row (.623 last year), and he has playmaking chops to go along with the shooting. Oh, and he doesn't back down from anyone.

[Mr. Body]

Never said I wouldn't but I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron and the Lakers beat them in a tough series. Utah would be favored but would I put money on it? No.

No one on the Lakers other than LBJ has any clue how to play in the playoffs. Oh, I forgot Rondo dribbling around and passing to no 3-point shooters. And Lance Stephenson following LeBron around to blow into his face.

[8FOR!3]

Richard Allan Jefferson = DeMar Darnell DeRozan 2.0

No, not at all. Honestly his game offensively is a lot closer to Kawhi’s two years ago (although not as efficient for good.) But DDR is a better scorer than Dick ever was

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

I had lunch with Co worker today, but nothing new to offer. He said he speaks to brother about once or twice a week, and he typically doesn't ask questions, but his brother will sometime share about NBA chatter concerning big FA or Magic related.

He did however share with me about connections between Toronto front office the Magic FO, which makes me believe the information is pretty reliable

[BatManu20]

Tbf the whole conversation about TOR started with him in this thread. Came completely out of left field. Then people found his deleted instagram history (which ended up being nothing since he does it every year), and later in the day the odds had TOR at even.


Don't remember that, but if FkLA says it, I'll believe it, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I had lunch with Co worker today, but nothing new to offer. He said he speaks to brother about once or twice a week, and he typically doesn't ask questions, but his brother will sometime share about NBA chatter concerning big FA or Magic related.

He did however share with me about connections between Toronto front office the Magic FO, which makes me believe the information is pretty reliable

Fascinating. No, wait. The opposite.

[FireMicoHalili]

The Los Angeles Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, Portland, Toronto and Washington are among teams who’ve talked with San Antonio, (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week)league sources said.
8 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1196150/) – via ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24121241/sources-san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-considering-participation-usa-basketball-minicamp-las-vegas-next-week)

Portland, Denver, and Washington too. Mo identified Clips and Suns.

[FkLA]

It really bugs me that the Spurs are being looked at as being arrogant. This is not something you just do. You wait for the best package you can get. It's obvious they didn't get any great offers from teams like LA, Boston, and Philly so why trade him? They're doing exactly what every team should do. Wait. Do your due diligence and look over everything before sending him out.

It's really just one guy and he clearly wants Kawhi in LA. The other guy asked him what can LA offer that is better than DD and his response was "I think Ingram would pop in SA". The other guys that have tried to smear the Spurs names also have a vested interest in getting him to LA--especially Carter who is part of the "agency" being run out of a car.


The other I can't figure out is how or why Kawhi's uncle somewhat blames the Spurs for him not getting a big shoe deal. Does he not know who his nephew is? He doesn't have a very marketable character or whatever you wanna call it. His personality doesn't shout out marketability.

This is the one thing I would not be surprised if he ended up being right about. Do not underestimate the Lakers bandwagon and them being media darlings. His jersey is already Top 10 in sales IIRC. I do think he would get a signature shoe in LA although I don't think he'd see the type of money LeBron, KD, Steph and Harden get for their deals. Atleast not initially.

If that was his motive behind the move it'd be a little more reasonable but I think at this point it's obvious that he has delusions of grandeur. He thinks because his nephew is a superstar he is somehow qualified to start an agency empire. If Kawhi was a global icon of LeBron's magnitude, then maybe because let's be honest Rich Paul was just as unqualified, but LeBron was such a global icon that he was able to cover that up. Kawhi OTOH is an autistic mute so it's not happening for the car agency.

[Vic Petro]

The people in here trying to downplay the Lebron acquisition as if he’s about to fall apart are coming across as sad.

Lebron isn’t going into a steep decline and he’s not going to get bored. He’s a passionate and proud player, and barring a catastrophic injury I think his decline is going to be gradual. He’s going to retire in 5 years still averaging 18/7/5.

These Laker fans are far overrating their younger players (surprise!) but you can’t blame them because the media is fanning the flames (surprise!). Even with this roster I bet Lebron still carries them to top 4 in the west.

Don’t know if he’ll win a ring there though. Certainly won’t this year, and I’m not so convinced all-stars are getting in line to play with star/coach/GM Lebron next summer.

[ace3g]

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Kawhi's Uncle Dennis is Somehow President of Business Protocol Company
Kawhi Leonard's Uncle Dennis, the man who has singlehandedly torn Leonard and the Spurs apart, is the president of the "Elite Athlete Division" at a business and professional protocol consulting company. ​

The company's Protocol International website says they "provide helpful coaching, education and workshops that focus on empowering skills like domestic and international business protocol and corporate etiquette, networking, dining skills and professional image strategies."


https://www.12up.com/posts/6119049-kawhi-s-uncle-dennis-is-somehow-president-of-business-protocol-company/partners/42236

[exstatic]

If Valencuinous is the center piece and not Derozan then this would be a worse trade. In today’s NBA he isn’t as valuable. Might as well throw a filler at Okafor and see what he can do and he is much cheaper

Exactly. A large, immobile big has very little value in today’s NBA. They can’t switch and defend. This doesn’t meet the description of the deal. Besides, if this were the deal, and it happened, if Kawhi did want to stay, they’d have to dump one of DD or Lowry anyway to avoid a Huge tax penalty. That’s one of their motivators For dealing now already.

[FireMicoHalili]

I mean, I'm not saying he's wrong, but that reasoning doesn't make much sense. Toronto's also been rumored to be the most likely destination for like a week now.
FkLA is right, it started with Mo. A few hours earlier he said the Spurs are firing up again. We just got news from Windhorst about a compelling offer. He may not be a 100% accurate but that’s just splitting hairs. I wouldn’t say I’ll take his word for it wholesale but he’s been solid so far.

[spurschamps99030507]

I don't want DDR, I want to force the rat to show up, to eat the shit that he generated all the fucking year from 1min of the training camp


better have cap space next summer to sign butler and irving

[LkrFan]

magics t cells

You are a faggot. SMH

[MaNu4Tres]

So you're saying they backed out last week due to health concerns, but now a week later they're suddenly all in again when absolutely nothing has changed those concerns? :lol

You're a clown.

[ElNono]

Not looking for anything to be honest. Just sharing info I receive. I'm not trying to troll or whatever. I'm a Spurs fan who just wants this dude gone. The sooner the better.

sup Mo, are you russian by any chance? got any dirt on Hillary?

[MaNu4Tres]

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Kawhi's Uncle Dennis is Somehow President of Business Protocol Company
Kawhi Leonard's Uncle Dennis, the man who has singlehandedly torn Leonard and the Spurs apart, is the president of the "Elite Athlete Division" at a business and professional protocol consulting company. ​

The company's Protocol International website says they "provide helpful coaching, education and workshops that focus on empowering skills like domestic and international business protocol and corporate etiquette, networking, dining skills and professional image strategies."


https://www.12up.com/posts/6119049-kawhi-s-uncle-dennis-is-somehow-president-of-business-protocol-company/partners/42236

Lol Dennis and protocol blocked a lot of Spurs fans today. Hilarious.

[dabom]

Lol Dennis and protocol blocked a lot of Spurs fans today. Hilarious.

I'm guessing most aren't even spurs fans.

[ElNono]

Splits set up spurstalk.net


Dead site, it's not even registered anymore.

There's an alt site here, BTW:

http://spursforums.com/

IllusioNtek set it up

[acoelho1]

I don’t think any trade happens at this time. The Spurs don’t want to trade Kawhi so any deal now will probably still be available in late Sept or early Oct. Get him in training camp and around teammates and Pop to see if he has a change of heart. If not, teams can see him play again preseason to assess his health and we may be in better position.

[slick'81]

Lol "it may not happen but it could happen"

[FireMicoHalili]

The people in here trying to downplay the Lebron acquisition as if he’s about to fall apart are coming across as sad.

Lebron isn’t going into a steep decline and he’s not going to get bored. He’s a passionate and proud player, and barring a catastrophic injury I think his decline is going to be gradual. He’s going to retire in 5 years still averaging 18/7/5.

These Laker fans are far overrating their younger players (surprise!) but you can’t blame them because the media is fanning the flames (surprise!). Even with this roster I bet Lebron still carries them to top 4 in the west.

Don’t know if he’ll win a ring there though. Certainly won’t this year, and I’m not so convinced all-stars are getting in line to play with star/coach/GM Lebron next summer.
Agreed. For the most part they’re trying to convince this fan base their young players are compelling trade pieces (Take Hart! Take Kuzma! Ingram is too good for Kawhi and you can’t have him!) but LeBron is a proven commodity who can take any team to playoff contention. Hasn’t shown any signs of a decline the past five years and he’s been meticulous about conditioning. They’ll slot themselves from third to eighth in the West. The team is fine, it’s mostly just their spoiled fan base. It was fun seeing them languish for the past five years but they’re a playoff team now, and the young guys are a better, more cerebral set of talent compared to the other dudes in Cleveland.

[baseline bum]

Lol at gambling odds to help your self esteem.

With LeBron, I think you're looking at the last years of Kobe's career once again. Good job, there.

That doesn't make any sense, Kobe was a washed up piece of shit the last 4 years of his career. LeBron's the best player in the game.

[BatManu20]

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[MoSpur02]

It's really just one guy and he clearly wants Kawhi in LA. The other guy asked him what can LA offer that is better than DD and his response was "I think Ingram would pop in SA". The other guys that have tried to smear the Spurs names also have a vested interest in getting him to LA--especially Carter who is part of the "agency" being run out of a car.



This is the one thing I would not be surprised if he ended up being right about. Do not underestimate the Lakers bandwagon and them being media darlings. His jersey is already Top 10 in sales IIRC. I do think he would get a signature shoe in LA although I don't think he'd see the type of money LeBron, KD, Steph and Harden get for their deals. Atleast not initially.

If that was his motive behind the move it'd be a little more reasonable but I think at this point it's obvious that he has delusions of grandeur. He thinks because his nephew is a superstar he is somehow qualified to start an agency empire. If Kawhi was a global icon of LeBron's magnitude, then maybe because let's be honest Rich Paul was just as unqualified, but LeBron was such a global icon that he was able to cover that up. Kawhi OTOH is an autistic mute so it's not happening for the car agency.

No doubt he'll get more exposure in LA or NY, but him not getting a big shoe deal isn't because San Antonio is a so-called small market. Kawhi's personality or lack iOS the bigger reason he was offer a smaller shoe deal than what they hoped for.

[Mugen]

You are a faggot. SMH

:lol nah, Earvin Jr is the faggot tbh

[gospursgojas]

https://imageshack.com/i/pnp6cqzyp

[BatManu20]

You're a clown.

Thanks, brah :tu


Any other insightful info or is that all you got?

[RD2191]

https://imageshack.com/i/pnp6cqzyp

Doing the lords work.

[phxspurfan]

If Valencuinous is the center piece and not Derozan then this would be a worse trade

Wow that would be fucking horrible if that's all that PATFO can get for Leonard, at any stage.

[FkLA]

https://imageshack.com/i/pnp6cqzyp

https://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

[Mugen]

Love the social media war tbh, keep it up my niggas.

[Namundy]

Man, I'm still feeling this is going in to training camp and possibly the season.

[FkLA]

No doubt he'll get more exposure in LA or NY, but him not getting a big shoe deal isn't because San Antonio is a so-called small market. Kawhi's personality or lack iOS the bigger reason he was offer a smaller shoe deal than what they hoped for.

His personality is part of the reason but let's not kid ourselves, SA being such a small-market is also part of it.

I think it's fair to say a more outspoken star (i.e. Westbrook, Lillard) would be able to have a signature shoe in SA. But it's also fair to say you can be an autist in LA and still get a signature shoe if you are a superstar.

[phxspurfan]

Man, I'm still feeling this is going in to training camp and possibly the season.

It is, that's whats gay about this whole thing. PATFO won't nut up and pull the trigger on a trade. In the end theyll get some random and a 2nd rounder or let him walk for free

[daslicer]

His personality is part of the reason but let's not kid ourselves, SA being such a small-market is also part of it.

I think it's fair to say a more outspoken star (i.e. Westbrook, Lillard) would be able to have a signature shoe in SA. But it's also fair to say you can be an autist in LA and still get a signature shoe if you are a superstar.

:lol

[BatManu20]

"Tang from your sweet thang" :lol


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiWYF3pUcAAI7Jl.jpg

[FkLA]

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Don't know if this dude is legit but lol if true. God I can't wait for all the juicy Uncle stories after the Spurs dump them.

[NASpurs]

Rehashing but...

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"The Raptors president will also have to draw a line at a certain point in regards to the price tag the Spurs are asking for. Some type of combination of DeMar DeRozan, Pascal Siakim, OG Anunoby, Serge Ibaka and a first-round pick has been bandied about in recent weeks."

:lol cross that name out Yahoo Sports.

[Strategic]

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https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_scale,w_912,h_516,c_fill,g_auto/shape/cover/sport/new-orleans-pelicans-v-san-antonio-spurs-5b4d0b4542fc33b59000000e.jpg




Kawhi's Uncle Dennis is Somehow President of Business Protocol Company


Kawhi Leonard's Uncle Dennis, the man who has singlehandedly torn Leonard and the Spurs apart, is the president of the "Elite Athlete Division" at a business and professional protocol consulting company. ​

The company's Protocol International website says they "provide helpful coaching, education and workshops that focus on empowering skills like domestic and international business protocol and corporate etiquette, networking, dining skills and professional image strategies."


https://www.12up.com/posts/6119049-kawhi-s-uncle-dennis-is-somehow-president-of-business-protocol-company/partners/42236Which one?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Uncle Dennis the Menace - wow, what a jabroni.

[LkrFan]

:lol nah, Earvin Jr is the faggot tbh

:lol

[RsxPiimp]

:lol nah, Earvin Jr is the faggot tbh

:lmao touche

[Spur|n|Austin]

Richard Allan Jefferson = DeMar Darnell DeRozan 2.0

Jesus are you high? That's like pears to bananas.

[spursistan]

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[Holden_Caulfield]

try to snag poetl too since we are low on bigs

[TimDunkem]

try to snag poetl too since we are low on bigs

*Siakam

[Dverde]

Rehashing but...

1019391045363224582

"The Raptors president will also have to draw a line at a certain point in regards to the price tag the Spurs are asking for. Some type of combination of DeMar DeRozan, Pascal Siakim, OG Anunoby, Serge Ibaka and a first-round pick has been bandied about in recent weeks."

:lol cross that name out Yahoo Sports.


DeMar DeRozan, Pascal Siakim, OG Anunoby, Serge Ibaka
for
Kawhi Leonard, Pau Gasol, Danny Green, Brandon Paul

wss accepted in the ESPN trade machine :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

*Siakam
has he even shown anything besides being a G league superstar :lol, at least poetl is a legit defensive big

[FkLA]

:lol

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[Ron Swanson]

Abaka aint bout dis life

[RD2191]

Spurs don't want to get too greedy now, take what you can even if it's just DD and OG.

[RD2191]

:lol

1017089061578608641

:lmao

[cd98]

Well if a trade happens before the Team USA mini-camp, then you know the relationship was truly beyond repair.

[FkLA]

Is Abaka really that horrible now? I've heard that he's fallen off a cliff for a while now but haven't seen it for myself since I really never watch TOR.

If he still offered rim protection, ability to switch on perimeter guys, a reliable midrange+3PT shot that would almost be enough for me to be willing to swap him for Pau and absorb the extra $5 mill/yr. Two years left on contract just like Pau, except I don't think the 3rd year is only partially guaranteed like Pau's.

[Ron Swanson]

He's horrible for $45 million over the next two seasons.

[SPURt]

At first, this was terrible. At this point it’s at least funny. I can’t wait for the 30 for 30.

[Strategic]

:lol

[SAGirl]

Jabari Young podcast notes:

— How have things been with Spurs over last 2 weeks besides Kawhi and Tony? Jabari says everybody is on Kawhi-watch. Doesn’t really answer the question. Says if he had to guess he thinks Kawhi is in training camp. Everything has quieted down because Spurs demands are too high.

— Host steers back to original question. Jabari mentions losing KA and TP. Gives KA credit for finding a good offer sheet. Says it’s popular to knock KA but can’t discount last season’s development. Compares him to Jonathan Simmons in that as soon as he figured things out, he left the team. Says Spurs will miss KA because he’s a playmaker and it’s a huge blow. Mentions Belinelli, Bertans, Forbes as guys that need to step up.

— Expects a Ginobili decision in the next week.

— Host brings up TP. Jabari says TP comments re: Kawhi were taken out of context and it was nonsense that he caught so much flak for it. Jabari says you got the feeling that if any of Big 3 were to ever leave, it might be Parker. Had a sense that TP had to prove himself to Spurs throughout his career. Says TP felt it was time to move on and his idolizing Jordan was a big factor. Batum and Borrego also helped. Tony did it his way and you have to respect that.

— Host brings it back to Kawhi. Jabari says the Raptors rumor is ridiculous. Doesn’t make sense from a Toronto perspective because Derozen is no slouch and despite having a bad playoffs he’s been an all star longer than Kawhi. They finished #1 in the East and Lebron left. Jabari understands the appeal of Kawhi as a player but he won’t re-sign, so it amounts to a 1 year gamble. Jabari says if Masai is willing to break it up next year, he should give the current team one more shot because they’re just as good as Phi or Boston. Admits he might have to eat crow but it doesn’t make sense to him from a Toronto perspective. Thinks it’s a great trade from a San Antonio perspective because with Pop at head coach it would keep them near the top of the west.

— Jabari again says unless something dramatic happens, Kawhi will start the season in SA. If he plays great, then trade offers will go up. It could work best for both sides to get the best trade.

— Host asks about USA camp. Jabari says from what he’s heard from people behind the scenes, Kawhi will be there next week playing for Pop and you might finally hear from Kawhi himself. You’ll definitely hear Pop address the situation. Alludes to this perhaps being the first step of damage control to smoothing the path for Kawhi to play the first couple of months in SA

— Host asks why Kawhi wants to leave in the first place? Jabari says he’s tired of talking about it and has reported on it extensively. The only thing left is for Kawhi to say he wants out himself. All eyes should be on Kawhi next week because he has to address why he as a man no longer wants to play on this team. Jabari says he just says what he knows and gets blamed for taking up for Kawhi. Jabari says he’s just reporting what he knows.

— Any more moves besides Kawhi? Jabari says he can see a couple of vets in training camp. Mentions Gerald Henderson is trying to get back into the league but he doesn’t know of Spurs interest. They’re going to bring in a lot of bodies and make guys compete. Thinks the team has explored trading Pau but doesn’t see any takers. Nonetheless thinks a vet big is a possibility. Right now it seems like they’re full but can see a vet big or a young shooter that people gave up on. But for the most part he expects it to be quiet.
Thanks for the summary. Cheers

[FkLA]

He's horrible for $45 million over the next two seasons.

I like to look at it as $6.5 mill/yr more than Pau.

No doubt he's overpaid but so is Pau. If he is still a strong defensive presence at the rim and still has the foot speed to switch on perimeter guys that's a massive upgrade over what current Pau brings on defense. That's a big if though and I'm not qualified to make that call since I don't watch TOR at all.

[sasaint]

1019367156775940097

Don't know if this dude is legit but lol if true. God I can't wait for all the juicy Uncle stories after the Spurs dump them.

I haven't heard the front office story before, but I have heard the team flight story.

[Leetonidas]

Jesus fuck Jabari is such a retard. You know he posts /lurks on ST :lol

:cry I'm just reporting what I know :cry

[RD2191]

1019367156775940097

Don't know if this dude is legit but lol if true. God I can't wait for all the juicy Uncle stories after the Spurs dump them.

Wtf :lol

[spursistan]

This nigga is pretty much dead to everyone here bar a couple of fanboys. Spurs fans are mentally prepared and more or less at peace with the inevitablity of his ass getting shipped out of town..

It is telling that we are cracking a jokes about this faggot instead of agonizing over the loss of a superstar/franchise player. The league has never seen a crumbling of a player reputation/status like the one we are witnessing with Kawhi..

[exstatic]

Jesus fuck Jabari is such a retard. You know he posts /lurks on ST :lol

:cry I'm just reporting what I know :cry

YGHWI

[cutewizard]

Siakam has potential.....

[Leetonidas]

Apparently OG changed his Twitter pic from him in a Raptors jersey to an old college pic......its happening? :lol

[Mugen]

:lmao front office job and their own part of the plane?

I'd make that nigga head of custodial operations and let him and his nephew have special seating on the wings outside tbh

[Ron Swanson]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/12/aVOSkIC.gif

[Holden_Caulfield]

Siakam has potential.....
siakam is 24 and poetl is 22, id rather have poetl

[baseline bum]

:lmao front office job and their own part of the plane?

I'd make that nigga head of custodial operations and let him and his nephew have special seating on the wings outside tbh

Official wiper boy

[ace3g]

If we trade with Raptors, I hope Green is not included - don't want to send out 2 defenders (Kawhi/Green) for 1 (OG).

[BatManu20]

If we trade with Raptors, I hope Green is not included - don't want to send out 2 defenders (Kawhi/Green) for 1 (OG).

Same.

[BatManu20]

:lmao front office job and their own part of the plane?

I'd make that nigga head of custodial operations and let him and his nephew have special seating on the wings outside tbh


:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Apparently OG changed his Twitter pic from him in a Raptors jersey to an old college pic......its happening? :lol

It's your birthday today, maybe it's nothing.

[sasaint]

If we trade with Raptors, I hope Green is not included - don't want to send out 2 defenders (Kawhi/Green) for 1 (OG).

Please, no. Pau, please yes.

[sasaint]

If we trade with Raptors, I hope Green is not included - don't want to send out 2 defenders (Kawhi/Green) for 1 (OG).

Please, no. Pau, please yes.

[palangi]

Same.

I wouldn't let green be the hold up either. Throw norman Powell in there to replace Danny defense

[FireMicoHalili]

I like to look at it as $6.5 mill/yr more than Pau.

No doubt he's overpaid but so is Pau. If he is still a strong defensive presence at the rim and still has the foot speed to switch on perimeter guys that's a massive upgrade over what current Pau brings on defense. That's a big if though and I'm not qualified to make that call since I don't watch TOR at all.
He released a statement against it (without any proof) but I’ll leave this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/49p2zw/is_serge_ibaka_actually_way_older_than_his_listed/

[sasaint]

I wouldn't let green be the hold up either. Throw norman Powell in there to replace Danny defense

I don't want to lose Danny, but I really liked the little I saw of Powell.

[MoSpur02]

If we trade with Raptors, I hope Green is not included - don't want to send out 2 defenders (Kawhi/Green) for 1 (OG).

Exactly

[MoSpur02]

According to someone on Twitter, a person who calls himself humblebeast stated Kawhi and his camp want a meeting with Tim Duncan.

[Gordy58]

We should be asking for Delon Wright, he had a nice mini break out season

[RD2191]

:lmao OT but Jeff Ayres in this nba summer league championship game

[Ron Swanson]

According to someone on Twitter, a person who calls himself humblebeast stated Kawhi and his camp want a meeting with Tim Duncan.

Timmy already went to NYC, and they blew off the Spurs.

[phxspurfan]

No doubt he's overpaid but so is Pau.

How dare you state something that everybody knows on ST

[FkLA]

How dare you state something that everybody knows on ST

Should I make a thread about it?

Seriously though, just stop, bro. You are making it worse. Just laugh it off and move on. It's not that big of a deal.

[SpursDynasty85]

Timmy already went to NYC, and they blew off the Spurs.

Only way to solve their pr problem is go to the GOAT himself. The idiot student goes to the wise king fu master.

[NASpurs]

How dare you state something that everybody knows on ST


https://media1.tenor.com/images/49160ed3a48211ad099efe319c8d8ee5/tenor.gif

[NASpurs]

According to someone on Twitter, a person who calls himself humblebeast stated Kawhi and his camp want a meeting with Tim Duncan.

My nigga, randoms on twitter better not be your sources. :lol

[BillMc]

:lmao front office job and their own part of the plane?

I'd make that nigga head of custodial operations and let him and his nephew have special seating on the wings outside tbh
:lol

[phxspurfan]

Should I make a thread about it?

Seriously though, just stop, bro. You are making it worse. Just laugh it off and move on. It's not that big of a deal.

How dare you post something from 2 minutes ago on ST

[RD2191]

Should I make a thread about it?

Seriously though, just stop, bro. You are making it worse. Just laugh it off and move on. It's not that big of a deal.

You hurt his ego :lmao

[dabom]

I really do hate old news though. So annoying. :lol

[BatManu20]

:lmao OT but Jeff Ayres in this nba summer league championship game

I was lmao off the other day cause he's the oldest dude in the league at 31 and he scored a layup and got fouled, and he started screaming in the 19 year-old's face who fouled him :rollin

[Ron Swanson]

I was lmao off the other day cause he's the oldest dude in the league at 31 and he scored a layup and got fouled, and he started screaming in the 19 year-old's face who fouled him :rollin

:lmao

[Mr. Body]

I was lmao off the other day cause he's the oldest dude in the league at 31 and he scored a layup and got fouled, and he started screaming in the 19 year-old's face who fouled him :rollin

Give him a break, he finally made a layup.

[look_at_g_shred]

I was lmao off the other day cause he's the oldest dude in the league at 31 and he scored a layup and got fouled, and he started screaming in the 19 year-old's face who fouled him :rollin
That’s kind of depressing

[RD2191]

I was lmao off the other day cause he's the oldest dude in the league at 31 and he scored a layup and got fouled, and he started screaming in the 19 year-old's face who fouled him :rollin

:lol pretty sad tbh

[Keepin' it real]

I wonder if Drake could sway Kawhi and uncle Dennis to stay in Toronto?

Maybe if he offers Kawhi a lifetime supply of:

http://cdn.smosh.com/wp-content/uploads/bloguploads/drake-coffee-cake-vma.jpg

[BatManu20]

Ayres just hit em with the flex after that and-1 :lol

[RD2191]

Ayres flexing in this summer league game. :lmao

[kjhip1]

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Damn, plot thickens

[Seventyniner]

Damn, plot thickens

Somehow far more cancerous than LaVar.

[BatManu20]

Is it really necessary to continually show us close-ups of Magic and Palinka's face every 10 seconds

[BatManu20]

1019383124533186561

Damn, plot thickens

Who is this dude? Is he legit? Holy fuck that would be pathetically funny if true

[RGMCSE]

So if the rumors are true, all this bs because uncle Dennis didn’t get a FO job. Smh. Holding a fucking $80 million dollar grudge that ain’t even his money. What a dumbass. Lol at kawhitter not having the balls to put his uncle in his place.

[AFMadison]

Dennis and Lavar have have so much in common but I mean it’s expected

[gambit1990]

kawhi should sever the business relationship with his uncle... i wonder how much more he'd want to stay in sa if he did. unless he's 100% la.

[Spur|n|Austin]

What are the odds that Kawhi realizes his uncle is a schmuck? It's getting kinda sad, I hope protective services are monitoring this - Kawhi might need help.

[kjhip1]

It’s goin to be ugly when all these stories get leaked out. I’m sure there is so much more the fans don’t know about.

[Seventyniner]

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Looks like these family members are even worse than we thought.

[Ron Swanson]

Kawhi's going to be broke as fuck within 10 years of retirement. Those fucks are going to bleed him dry.

[RD2191]

Kawhi's going to be broke as fuck within 10 years of retirement. Those fucks are going to bleed him dry.

10 years is being generous

[FkLA]

Can y'all imagine what Kawhi's bank accounts look like? I guarantee Uncle has complete access to his money. It's probably a joint account. :lol

[kjhip1]

Can y'all imagine what Kawhi's bank accounts look like? I guarantee Uncle has complete access to his money. It's probably a joint account. :lol

:lol

[DPG21920]

I know I have said it before, but I cannot understate how poor of an off season PHI has had and what idiots they are being in overrating their players and underrating Kawhi.

1. They lost to Boston 4-1 with no Kyrie or Hayward. Boston is getting those guys back at least for this year if not more.

2. They had to fire their GM because of burner accounts and alienating their star players (that evidently they value so high)

3. They lost Beli & Ersan

4. The guy they got to replace Ersan, Bjelica, just turned them down because he’d rather stay in Europe.

5. Despite their “core” they were snubbed by all the major free agents even though they had max cap space essentially.

6. Their one chance to change the fortune of their franchise is being blocked or not pursued because of Fultz. The guy they traded a first round pick AND Tatum for who not only had a injury but got the most bizarre case of the yips I have ever seen in any sport. He literally forgot how to shoot due to a mental block.

It is truly astounding how their front office blew up their chances seemingly. Not only did they whiff on any chance to truly improve, they actually got worse while at the same time alienating and creating an environment of distrust with the players they have to go all-in on now that resulted in them not having an actual GM in the most critical off-season they might ever face.

Bravo PHI. Bravo.

[mo7888]

I know I have said it before, but I cannot understate how poor of an off season PHI has had and what idiots they are being in overrating their players and underrating Kawhi.

1. They lost to Boston 4-1 with no Kyrie or Hayward. Boston is getting those guys back at least for this year if not more.

2. They had to fire their GM because of burner accounts and alienating their star players (that evidently they value so high)

3. They lost Beli & Ersan

4. The guy they got to replace Ersan, Bjelica, just turned them down because he’d rather stay in Europe.

5. Despite their “core” they were snubbed by all the major free agents even though they had max cap space essentially.

6. Their one chance to change the fortune of their franchise is being blocked or not pursued because of Fultz. The guy they traded a first round pick AND Tatum for who not only had a injury but got the most bizarre case of the yips I have ever seen in any sport. He literally forgot how to shoot due to a mental block.

It is truly astounding how their front office blew up their chances seemingly. Not only did they whiff on any chance to truly improve, they actually got worse while at the same time alienating and creating an environment of distrust with the players they have to go all-in on now that resulted in them not having an actual GM in the most critical off-season they might ever face.

Bravo PHI. Bravo.

:bobo

[ducks]

1019383124533186561

Damn, plot thickens

Wow if true

[Mr. Body]

I know I have said it before, but I cannot understate how poor of an off season PHI has had and what idiots they are being in overrating their players and underrating Kawhi.

1. They lost to Boston 4-1 with no Kyrie or Hayward. Boston is getting those guys back at least for this year if not more.

2. They had to fire their GM because of burner accounts and alienating their star players (that evidently they value so high)

3. They lost Beli & Ersan

4. The guy they got to replace Ersan, Bjelica, just turned them down because he’d rather stay in Europe.

5. Despite their “core” they were snubbed by all the major free agents even though they had max cap space essentially.

6. Their one chance to change the fortune of their franchise is being blocked or not pursued because of Fultz. The guy they traded a first round pick AND Tatum for who not only had a injury but got the most bizarre case of the yips I have ever seen in any sport. He literally forgot how to shoot due to a mental block.

It is truly astounding how their front office blew up their chances seemingly. Not only did they whiff on any chance to truly improve, they actually got worse while at the same time alienating and creating an environment of distrust with the players they have to go all-in on now that resulted in them not having an actual GM in the most critical off-season they might ever face.

Bravo PHI. Bravo.

This is all true, but I don't think their solution was Kawhi Leonard.

[DPG21920]

Seriously - PHI was my East team but they are cowards and fools and now I want them to go up in flames especially after dealing with PHI fans that say trading Fultz for Kawhi would be selling low on Fultz.

Getting an MVP level player and 2x DPOY is selling low. On Fultz. I hope PHI burns out so hard and all that tanking is derailed with this terrible, cowardly and quite frankly embarrassing off season.

[DPG21920]

This is all true, but I don't think their solution was Kawhi Leonard.

I don’t know how anyone can say that. They desperately need a star in his prime to compete with BOS or have any real shot. Kawhi is literally a perfect fit, available right now and would solve every single problem they have.

The alternative? Doing nothing? That definitely isn’t a solution.

[dabom]

I don’t know how anyone can say that. They desperately need a star in his prime to compete with BOS or have any real shot. Kawhi is literally a perfect fit, available right now and would solve every single problem they have.

The alternative? Doing nothing? That definitely isn’t a solution.

Funny thing is, Totonto deal is way better than a bad fit fultz. :lol

[FkLA]

Seriously - PHI was my East team but they are cowards and fools and now I want them to go up in flames especially after dealing with PHI fans that say trading Fultz for Kawhi would be selling low on Fultz.

Getting an MVP level player and 2x DPOY is selling low. On Fultz. I hope PHI burns out so hard and all that tanking is derailed with this terrible, cowardly and quite frankly embarrassing off season.

You're not wrong, but it's actually good for us. I prefer the TOR package even if they were willing to trade Fultz.

[CGD]

I don’t know how anyone can say that. They desperately need a star in his prime to compete with BOS or have any real shot. Kawhi is literally a perfect fit, available right now and would solve every single problem they have.

The alternative? Doing nothing? That definitely isn’t a solution.

I’m increasingly of the mind that the hesitation on Fultz is that PHI is embarrassed about the Tatum deal fleecing.

I also think the Spurs don’t really want him, and are hoping the PHI sweetens the pot of assets like adding the Turkish kid, Bolden, and more picks beyond that Heat one.

[CGD]

Funny thing is, Totonto deal is way better than a bad fit fultz. :lol

Agree with this. Do we think it’s DeRozen or Lowery?

[Mr. Body]

I don’t know how anyone can say that. They desperately need a star in his prime to compete with BOS or have any real shot. Kawhi is literally a perfect fit, available right now and would solve every single problem they have.

The alternative? Doing nothing? That definitely isn’t a solution.

I think Kawhi is damaged beyond repair at this point. Going after Butler or another scorer might be the way to go.

[dabom]

Agree with this. Do we think it’s DeRozen or Lowery?

DeRozan.

[look_at_g_shred]

OG changed his IG profile pic too.

[Ron Swanson]

Agree with this. Do we think it’s DeRozen or Lowery?

DeRozan

[dabom]

I think Kawhi is damaged beyond repair at this point. Going after Butler or another scorer might be the way to go.

I dont think hes damage goods. He's playing it like he is100% healthy. Or else he would wanna lock up this 220 mil. Not trying to sabatoge it.

[RD2191]

I don’t know how anyone can say that. They desperately need a star in his prime to compete with BOS or have any real shot. Kawhi is literally a perfect fit, available right now and would solve every single problem they have.

The alternative? Doing nothing? That definitely isn’t a solution.

They're banking on Fultz hard. Hopefully he can handle the pressure. :lol

[CGD]

Also in play with the Raps is a bigger deal possibility. We can send out Pau, Patty, and Pauls non-guaranteed deal with Leoanrd for the DeRozen package and Ibaka. Raps in a precarious cap situation these next two years, and that Pau contract can help them avoid a luxary tax payment next year.

Fully appreciating Serge isn’t the same player as before, he a better fit than Pau. For next two years then, you’re staring at a starting 5 of Murray, DeRozen, OG, Serge, LMA.

[SpursDynasty85]

Seriously - PHI was my East team but they are cowards and fools and now I want them to go up in flames especially after dealing with PHI fans that say trading Fultz for Kawhi would be selling low on Fultz.

Getting an MVP level player and 2x DPOY is selling low. On Fultz. I hope PHI burns out so hard and all that tanking is derailed with this terrible, cowardly and quite frankly embarrassing off season.

Bro. Your holding on too tightly. Spurs would never go after a disgruntled, crazy uncle and agent, super star who only wanted to go to LA. Philly is going to do what they believe is right for them. If Kawhi leaves next year and Fultz does do well fans will be bitter for the foreseeable future. It's a risk they have to consider.

[dabom]

Jalen Rosesaid Kawhi wanted to leave way before the Tony or anyone else's comments. Why did he wanna leave? Why? Was not playing a plan all along when Kawhi didn't get his way?

[Mr. Body]

I dont think hes damage goods. He's playing it like he is100% healthy. Or else he would wanna lock up this 220 mil. Not trying to sabatoge it.

I suspect he's a mental basket case at this point. Anyway, Philly shouldn't give up assets for a rental. Boston can easily fuck what they have up and Simmons and Embiid are better than cousins young players. Cut bait at this point.

[DPG21920]

I think Kawhi is damaged beyond repair at this point. Going after Butler or another scorer might be the way to go.

PHI has made offers. Their doctors know Kawhi’s medical. If they thought he was damaged, they would have not made any offers IMO.

[marinoman]

Also in play with the Raps is a bigger deal possibility. We can send out Pau, Patty, and Pauls non-guaranteed deal with Leoanrd for the DeRozen package and Ibaka. Raps in a precarious cap situation these next two years, and that Pau contract can help them avoid a luxary tax payment next year.

Fully appreciating Serge isn’t the same player as before, he a better fit than Pau. For next two years then, you’re staring at a starting 5 of Murray, DeRozen, OG, Serge, LMA.
No one plays 2 bigs anymore, take ibaka out of the lineup and put white or gay

[dabom]

The only snub I can possibly think if I had too was Pop not reacting to Kawhi going down. He kinda missed that. Or Pop not going at Zaza pike he should have. Or Pop bringing in Steve kerr's kid to play for the Spurs after their player injured Kawhi. Those are the only things I can come up with.

[Down Under]

The Toronto thing would be over picks IMO. DeRozan & OG are obviously musts in the package, but they're probably going back & forward about how many picks the Spurs would want (I'd imagine 2 first rounders or Siakam & a first rounder)

[DPG21920]

They're banking on Fultz hard. Hopefully he can handle the pressure. :lol

I get that - but even if Fultz has a great breakout, he doesn’t overcome Hayward/Kyrie and they already lost 4-1 to BOS without those guys. Plus losing Ersan and Beli.

But Kawhi is like adding an MVP to the team. Kawhi > Kyrie/Harden IMO or at least a hell of a lot closer. I get it, if they think Fultz is a superstar and can add another FA to that now? It’s great, but man there is so much risk and they aren’t even getting looks from free agents so far.

[dabom]

I also dont think Pop should have hired kerr's kid. Why the fuck you wanna work for a guy that brings in the competition?

[DPG21920]

Bro. Your holding on too tightly. Spurs would never go after a disgruntled, crazy uncle and agent, super star who only wanted to go to LA. Philly is going to do what they believe is right for them. If Kawhi leaves next year and Fultz does do well fans will be bitter for the foreseeable future. It's a risk they have to consider.

I have already explained my logic on the downside “risk” for PHI and it’s not much IMO. The upside is tremendous

[Mr. Body]

I get that - but even if Fultz has a great breakout, he doesn’t overcome Hayward/Kyrie and they already lost 4-1 to BOS without those guys. Plus losing Ersan and Beli.

But Kawhi is like adding an MVP to the team. Kawhi > Kyrie/Harden IMO or at least a hell of a lot closer. I get it, if they think Fultz is a superstar and can add another FA to that now? It’s great, but man there is so much risk and they aren’t even getting looks from free agents so far.

Kyrie is gone. He's out of there as soon as he can go.

[DPG21920]

Kyrie is gone. He's out of there as soon as he can go.

They beat PHI 4-1 without him.