Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[LakerHater]

When Boston called earlier in the season, they offered Tatum & Brown!
Now, Tatum is off the table!

[duncan2150]

disagree

Anything less than Tatum AND Brown AND the Kings 1st is just being marks and getting destroyed in the trade and gifting Boston the title.

I don't think a Boston deal is even worth pursuing.

Spurs number one priority should be to not be suckers. They'll lose every trade but don't have to be suckers. Don't give contenders free rings like Rodman to the Bulls. Don't give big markets free contention.

And if that means benching Kawhi for a year then so be it.

Agree

Rozier Brown and pick is not a good offer

[Em-City]

I'll take anything involving Tatum at this point

[szkorhetz]

I'll take anything involving Tatum at this point

[Spurs da champs]

Offering Tatum is a huge risk for them given where Kawhi really wants to go, but at the same time Ainge really cant expect to get Kawhi with Brown being the centerpiece. Brown's a good player & all, I just dont think he can get much better than he is right now. This whole situation blows beyond belief.

[szkorhetz]

Either Doncic or Tatum and fillers, I don't care about anything less.

[cutewizard]

DDDDDDDOOOOOOOONNNNNNCCCCIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCC

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q92bbdhIb6E

Jalen points out that he said Kawhi wanted out in January. That was before the team meetings, Tony and Pop's remarks, etc. Yeah, none of that stuff helped, but the KL train was pulling away already. This is just a media war to generate an excuse. Stephen A Smith who also said Kawhi wanted out about the same time, has gone on record lambasting Kawhi for pretending this anything else than going to California.

Which is why the relationship does not have to be repaired. And why its so hard for Pop to get a meeting. It's not really about the relationship, that's smoke and mirrors, its about Kawhi and his group's desire to get him to CA or at least a bigger market, which in their eyes is desirable.

If they admitted that I'd be more agreeable. Instead they're tarnishing the Spurs rep.

[Ice009]

When Boston called earlier in the season, they offered Tatum & Brown!
Now, Tatum is off the table!

Has that been confirmed that they offered both?

[r0drig0lac]

disagree

Anything less than Tatum AND Brown AND the Kings 1st is just being marks and getting destroyed in the trade and gifting Boston the title.

I don't think a Boston deal is even worth pursuing.

Spurs number one priority should be to not be suckers. They'll lose every trade but don't have to be suckers. Don't give contenders free rings like Rodman to the Bulls. Don't give big markets free contention.

And if that means benching Kawhi for a year then so be it.

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[eDizzle20]

So does Kawhi keep milking the quad injury if the season rolls around he’s not traded and ultimately doesn’t play?

[picnroll]

An awfully lot of Spurs fans are idiots. They buy into this bullshit of the Spurs mishandling him and his injury or alienation that’s Pop’s fault. Plain and simple he wants to leave the Spurs and go back to LA or a competitive team. I could accept that if he he would just own it but instead he and his handlers are trying to protect his reputation by throwing Pop, the team’s medical staff and the Spurs under the bus and a bunch of dumbshit people are buying it. This thing has been orchestrated by his handlers for a long, long time:

[Em-City]

disagree

Anything less than Tatum AND Brown AND the Kings 1st is just being marks and getting destroyed in the trade and gifting Boston the title.

I don't think a Boston deal is even worth pursuing.

Spurs number one priority should be to not be suckers. They'll lose every trade but don't have to be suckers. Don't give contenders free rings like Rodman to the Bulls. Don't give big markets free contention.

And if that means benching Kawhi for a year then so be it.

also, kawhi for tatum doesn't necessarily mean that boston beats GSW

[cutewizard]

An awfully lot of Spurs fans are idiots. They buy into this bullshit of the Spurs mishandling him and his injury or alienation that’s Pop’s fault. Plain and simple he wants to leave the Spurs and go back to LA or a competitive team. I could accept that if he he would just own it but instead he and his handlers are trying to protect his reputation by throwing Pop, the team’s medical staff and the Spurs under the bus and a bunch of dumbshit people are buying it. This thing has been orchestrated by his handlers for a long, long time:

:bobo

[Twisted_Dawg]

An awfully lot of Spurs fans are idiots. They buy into this bullshit of the Spurs mishandling him and his injury or alienation that’s Pop’s fault. Plain and simple he wants to leave the Spurs and go back to LA or a competitive team. I could accept that if he he would just own it but instead he and his handlers are trying to protect his reputation by throwing Pop, the team’s medical staff and the Spurs under the bus and a bunch of dumbshit people are buying it. This thing has been orchestrated by his handlers for a long, long time:

I think only the Spur fans that are Kawhi lovers believe that narrative. The rest of us don't. But all the national writers, bloggers, tv trolls believe that same shit and just regurgitate a bunch of unverified info and write new stories ad nauseam. None of them have reviewed the medical reports, interviewed the various attending medical doctors, have had interviews with Pop, RC, or even Kawhi yet all write articles like they just uncovered some new verifiable truth. Then you have absolute idiots like Sjax saying Pop orchestrated the players only meeting, yet offers no proof and the media continues to run with it like it is a verifiable fact.

Kawhi and his group have done a great job developing this narrative. Most recent is the flood of stories about Kawhi wanting out of San Antonio, YET Kawhi has yet to formally notify the Spurs he wants out. Be a gutless coward and use social media to spread your message.

[MaNu4Tres]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q92bbdhIb6E

Jalen points out that he said Kawhi wanted out in January. That was before the team meetings, Tony and Pop's remarks, etc. Yeah, none of that stuff helped, but the KL train was pulling away already. This is just a media war to generate an excuse. Stephen A Smith who also said Kawhi wanted out about the same time, has gone on record lambasting Kawhi for pretending this anything else than going to California.

Which is why the relationship does not have to be repaired. And why its so hard for Pop to get a meeting. It's not really about the relationship, that's smoke and mirrors, its about Kawhi and his group's desire to get him to CA or at least a bigger market, which in their eyes is desirable.

If they admitted that I'd be more agreeable. Instead they're tarnishing the Spurs rep.

Bingo.

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q92bbdhIb6E

Jalen points out that he said Kawhi wanted out in January. That was before the team meetings, Tony and Pop's remarks, etc. Yeah, none of that stuff helped, but the KL train was pulling away already. This is just a media war to generate an excuse. Stephen A Smith who also said Kawhi wanted out about the same time, has gone on record lambasting Kawhi for pretending this anything else than going to California.

Which is why the relationship does not have to be repaired. And why its so hard for Pop to get a meeting. It's not really about the relationship, that's smoke and mirrors, its about Kawhi and his group's desire to get him to CA or at least a bigger market, which in their eyes is desirable.

If they admitted that I'd be more agreeable. Instead they're tarnishing the Spurs rep.

But no, it's the Spurs doctors fault even though that faggot has been using his own doctors since last August.

[Killakobe81]

But no, it's the Spurs doctors fault even though that faggot has been using his own doctors since last August.

I'm with you Bum, you insist on Tatum if it's Boston ...
Doncic/Fox ...if Sacto

I think you can avoid being raped ...if Spurs get the best prospect on a team AND a high level draft choice.
Tatum/Sacto pick and filelrs for cap reasons is a great trade for the Spurs when you consider their star player is hurt and wants out.
I think at least that is 75 cents on teh dollar with the potential for Spurs to win the trade if KL stays nicked up and Tatum realizes his potential.
Plus with that sacto pick I think its only #1 protected or something crazy like that ...

Spur fan being awfully unrealistic ...

[Killakobe81]

also, kawhi for tatum doesn't necessarily mean that boston beats GSW

OF course it doesnt.
Kyrie has serious knee concerns.
KL has a quad issues.
Smart needs a new deal ...

and Spurs need to take back extra to make salaries match so no boston is not garunteed anything.

[baseline bum]

I'm with you Bum, you insist on Tatum if it's Boston ...
Doncic/Fox ...if Sacto

I think you can avoid being raped ...if Spurs get the best prospect on a team AND a high level draft choice.
Tatum/Sacto pick and filelrs for cap reasons is a great trade for the Spurs when you consider their star player is hurt and wants out.
I think at least that is 75 cents on teh dollar with the potential for Spurs to win the trade if KL stays nicked up and Tatum realizes his potential.
Plus with that sacto pick I think its only #1 protected or something crazy like that ...

Spur fan being awfully unrealistic ...

Leonard is not hurt. He was just holding out, pulling an Eric Gordon. I'm not going to believe Uncle Dennis over actual doctors who said he was fine. The only way the Spurs win the trade is if they get a draft pick who wins MVP, because Leonard is the second best player in the league. Tatum + the Sacramento 2019 pick + matching salaries wouldn't be anywhere close to 75 cents on the dollar, and that is the best case scenario.

[Killakobe81]

And again I like Brown ...and thought Boston had the leverage but Lakers/clips/Sixers/Sacto all being interested swings SOME of that back to Spurs.
IF he was 100% healthy I think Ainge probably doesn't hesitate ...but since that is unknown they will try and hold fast, but Spurs shouldnt blink.
No promises that the doncic pick, 2019 pick or memphis pick will bring back anything good as good as KL.

[cjw]

So does Kawhi keep milking the quad injury if the season rolls around he’s not traded and ultimately doesn’t play?

If he doesn’t want to get another contract in the NBA he will. Two years on the pine for a fake injury and then all the sudden he gets a clean bill of health and plays 70+ games for the Lakers? You’d have a lawsuit or collusion case on your hands.

[picnroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q92bbdhIb6E

Jalen points out that he said Kawhi wanted out in January. That was before the team meetings, Tony and Pop's remarks, etc. Yeah, none of that stuff helped, but the KL train was pulling away already. This is just a media war to generate an excuse. Stephen A Smith who also said Kawhi wanted out about the same time, has gone on record lambasting Kawhi for pretending this anything else than going to California.

Which is why the relationship does not have to be repaired. And why its so hard for Pop to get a meeting. It's not really about the relationship, that's smoke and mirrors, its about Kawhi and his group's desire to get him to CA or at least a bigger market, which in their eyes is desirable.

If they admitted that I'd be more agreeable. Instead they're tarnishing the Spurs rep.

It would be great if after all this bullshit is over and the pussy Leonard and his group have moved on to another team Pop would blow him out of the water with what’s really happened. Unfortunately Pop has too much class and that’s unlikely to happen. This classless asshole is trying to put Pop’s well earned legacy in the toilet.

[Killakobe81]

Leonard is not hurt. He was just holding out, pulling an Eric Gordon. I'm not going to believe Uncle Dennis over actual doctors who said he was fine. The only way the Spurs win the trade is if they get a draft pick who wins MVP, because Leonard is the second best player in the league. Tatum + the Sacramento 2019 pick + matching salaries wouldn't be anywhere close to 75 cents on the dollar, and that is the best case scenario.

Look I ilke KL want him on the Lakers badly who wouldnt?!
But he never was truly the 2nd best player, 3rd at best and I value defense more than most ...
You can say he wasnt hurt and he looked pretty good when he played but based on last season alone even 3rd best is a stretch ...IF he is more like last year I would say more 5-10 range.
Remember he has only one year left on his deal and missed over 10 games due to injury ...and wants out.
you act as if he is coming off his MVP year ...
And I get we are projecting on Tatum but I truly believe he will be the best player of last year's draft ... and I think could be the best player of the past few along with simmons. I think I would take him over Towns, too ..and Doncic. Ayton? not sure about I thik he has some towns to him but looks like young robinson physically (before david truly got yoked) but david was waaaaay better in college. but this kid is young ...Point is you may get teh best prospect of the past 3 drafts

[Chillen]

My biggest fear here isn't Kawhi leaving it's that I don't want the Spurs to be blamed for starting another superteam. Spurs aren't stupid and they will be clever here allowing that not to happen. Kawhi is obviously a disgruntled superstar player and Spurs need to trade him for pieces that will allow them to remain competitive for now and the future. Unless all this is media hyperbole and it works itself out and Kawhi stays.

Boston probably won't trade Tatum now, so it's possible Spurs will just keep Kawhi till the NBA trade deadline. If Boston agreed to trade Tatum and it's true Kawhi wants out, Spurs need to do it ASAP.

If I am Spurs I would not trade Kawhi till LeBron picks a team.

[Killakobe81]

Lets say Tatum takes a leap (he was one of the younger prospects in last year's draft) ...
I doubt Ainge would offer you Tatum straight up at the trade deadline. Sounds like ainge has him off limits ATM..
At this point we have no idea how good he can be but we saw glimpses/flashes.
Spurs gamble on his future and celts gamble KL will stay healthy ...

[baseline bum]

And again I like Brown ...and thought Boston had the leverage but Lakers/clips/Sixers/Sacto all being interested swings SOME of that back to Spurs.
IF he was 100% healthy I think Ainge probably doesn't hesitate ...but since that is unknown they will try and hold fast, but Spurs shouldnt blink.
No promises that the doncic pick, 2019 pick or memphis pick will bring back anything good as good as KL.

I don't like Brown. Is he a guy you're going to be comfortable giving $20 to $25 million a year to? I'm not even that big on Tatum. Leonard with a broken jumper was still statistically a better rookie than Tatum.

I don't think Brown is any better than Saric, who the Spurs could easily land from Philly while getting a chance to swing for the fences with Fultz. Brown gets overrated by the eye test but by his PER rating he's a below average NBA player. I'd rather just sit and suspend Leonard and hope somebody comes with a good offer than take a guy like Brown who I'm going to have to pay more than $20 million a year to soon as the centerpiece of a trade.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Leonard is not hurt. He was just holding out, pulling an Eric Gordon. I'm not going to believe Uncle Dennis over actual doctors who said he was fine. The only way the Spurs win the trade is if they get a draft pick who wins MVP, because Leonard is the second best player in the league. Tatum + the Sacramento 2019 pick + matching salaries wouldn't be anywhere close to 75 cents on the dollar, and that is the best case scenario.

Is he still the second or third or even fourth best player in the league anymore, or has he peaked? Will his medical ailments continue and perhaps intensify especially if he has degenerative issues? How well will his heavy iso play mesh in a new system with new players in an ever increasing three ball league? In a strange irony, he may be doing us a favor by getting rid of him before the wheels come off his career.

[Killakobe81]

I don't like Brown. Is he a guy you're going to be comfortable giving $20 to $25 million a year to? I'm not even that big on Tatum. Leonard with a broken jumper was still statistically a better rookie than Tatum.

I don't think Brown is any better than Saric, who the Spurs could easily land from Philly while getting a chance to swing for the fences with Fultz. Brown gets overrated by the eye test but by his PER rating he's a below average NBA player. I'd rather just sit and suspend Leonard and hope somebody comes with a good offer than take a guy like Brown who I'm going to have to pay more than $20 million a year to soon as the centerpiece of a trade.

I agree on Brown. Youy are right he is good but not $20 million good. but comparing the two (tatum/KL) didnt KL play at least two years in college? or am I mistaken? Tatum hit a rookie wall middle of the year but the fact he showed real glimpses of being a proven playoff scorer and improved defense (he will never be KL on that end) ...
I have mooved away from brown ... watching him struggle in the eCF made mr doubt he can ever be a #1 on a good team much less a title team. Spurs could use a guy like him (most teams could) but not as a centerpiece of a deal. I agree with you he is not enough even with the Grizz or sacto pick attached.

[AFBlue]

The Spurs need to stay relevant while getting pieces for the future. Unless Boston is willing to part with Kyrie or Hayward along with a young prospect or pick, it's a non-starter. Morris is not that guy.

The Clippers are interesting because Harris is a solid pro and they have a couple picks. Still not sure it's enough.

[r0drig0lac]

Look I ilke KL want him on the Lakers badly who wouldnt?!
But he never was truly the 2nd best player, 3rd at best and I value defense more than most ...
You can say he wasnt hurt and he looked pretty good when he played but based on last season alone even 3rd best is a stretch ...IF he is more like last year I would say more 5-10 range.
Remember he has only one year left on his deal and missed over 10 games due to injury ...and wants out.
you act as if he is coming off his MVP year ...
And I get we are projecting on Tatum but I truly believe he will be the best player of last year's draft ... and I think could be the best player of the past few along with simmons. I think I would take him over Towns, too ..and Doncic. Ayton? not sure about I thik he has some towns to him but looks like young robinson physically (before david truly got yoked) but david was waaaaay better in college. but this kid is young ...Point is you may get teh best prospect of the past 3 drafts

Kawhi was one of the three players with the highest impact in the league and the best player in the playoffs before the injury, regardless of how bad he looks morally now, and this will not be forgotten by any GM, his value is still very high

[TheDoctor]

Oh right, let's just pretend like you didn't come in matter of factly, strutting your sauce queen ass after the pic was posted to "confirm" that it was recent. :lol

Besides someone with your sauces should be tied in enough to not fall for a twitter troll's BS.
:lol

[Killakobe81]

The Spurs need to stay relevant while getting pieces for the future. Unless Boston is willing to part with Kyrie or Hayward along with a young prospect or pick, it's a non-starter. Morris is not that guy.

The Clippers are interesting because Harris is a solid pro and they have a couple picks. Still not sure it's enough.

those two picks are doo-doo.
Harris is better than I thought he could be when he was in ORlando but is in the last year f his deal are you going to pay him as an unrestrcicted FA to keep him?
Tatum has to be included and the best healthy cap fit Hayward/Kyrie are both coming off major injuries. (so is KL, apparently)

Im im the Spurs Tatum and whomever I want most plus the Memphis or sacto pick

[baseline bum]

I agree on Brown. Youy are right he is good but not $20 million good. but comparing the two (tatum/KL) didnt KL play at least two years in college? or am I mistaken? Tatum hit a rookie wall middle of the year but the fact he showed real glimpses of being a proven playoff scorer and improved defense (he will never be KL on that end) ...
I have mooved away from brown ... watching him struggle in the eCF made mr doubt he can ever be a #1 on a good team much less a title team. Spurs could use a guy like him (most teams could) but not as a centerpiece of a deal. I agree with you he is not enough even with the Grizz or sacto pick attached.

No I'm saying I think Brown is not good. His absolute ceiling looks like above average starter and by that time he'll be asking $25 million a year. I want Tatum because I think he'll end up a high level starter, someone who will make a few allstar games and thus will be worth the $25 million a year max deal he'll be asking for. I don't see franchise player in him though. I don't think he's close to the prospect Simmons is. You can teach shooting, Kawhi and Tony Parker are proof of that.

[Killakobe81]

Kawhi was one of the three players with the highest impact in the league and the best player in the playoffs before the injury, regardless of how bad he looks morally now, and this will not be forgotten by any GM, his value is still very high

you said before injury ... and of course he still has value.
But it's not the same imho.

[Killakobe81]

No I'm saying I think Brown is not good. His absolute ceiling looks like above average starter and by that time he'll be asking $25 million a year. I want Tatum because I think he'll end up a high level starter, someone who will make a few allstar games and thus will be worth the $25 million a year max deal he'll be asking for. I don't see franchise player in him though. I don't think he's close to the prospect Simmons is. You can teach shooting, Kawhi and Tony Parker are proof of that.

Tatum is more than a shooter. he will never be the playmaker or athlete Simmons is ...
But he seems to grasp defensive concepts better than simmons who gables to much for steals.
Simmos is the better rebounder ...but Tatum has that "it" factor ...
All tehse young gusy when they make plays on Lebron they seem almost scared/surprised ...
When he dunked on Lebron in teh ECF he turned and LOOKED for him ... that means soemthing to me.
Along whith his high skill level he never seems "shook" ...stays mostly quiet but when he the momemnnt is right he gives it.

That reminds me of Tim ...not saying he will ever be that or even as good as Pre-injury KL ...but He is my favorite prospect of the past few drafts and this one, there is value in that ...

[Lostwingman]

My biggest fear here isn't Kawhi leaving it's that I don't want the Spurs to be blamed for starting another superteam. Spurs aren't stupid and they will be clever here allowing that not to happen. Kawhi is obviously a disgruntled superstar player and Spurs need to trade him for pieces that will allow them to remain competitive for now and the future. Unless all this is media hyperbole and it works itself out and Kawhi stays.

Boston probably won't trade Tatum now, so it's possible Spurs will just keep Kawhi till the NBA trade deadline. If Boston agreed to trade Tatum and it's true Kawhi wants out, Spurs need to do it ASAP.

If I am Spurs I would not trade Kawhi till LeBron picks a team.

As long as GSW remains it's current form who cares if another super team is formed? Just means at least one playoff series will be interesting.

I'm also in the boat for being skeptical if he'll ever play a full season and how bad his injury problems are gonna be. So far Kawhi seems to be made of more glass than even Manu.

At this point, idc as long as the uncle and agent are out of San Antonio.

[AFBlue]

those two picks are doo-doo.
Harris is better than I thought he could be when he was in ORlando but is in the last year f his deal are you going to pay him as an unrestrcicted FA to keep him?
Tatum has to be included and the best healthy cap fit Hayward/Kyrie are both coming off major injuries. (so is KL, apparently)

Im im the Spurs Tatum and whomever I want most plus the Memphis or sacto pick

Those two picks by themselves are crap, but there are reportedly multiple teams open to trading out of the top of the draft. A team like Atlanta that's in full rebuild mode could be looking to secure additional picks and may be willing to drop back.

I take your point about Harria, but having cap flexibility next summer might be the best thing for the long-term future of the franchise.

[RD2191]

Spurm fan acting like PATFO can do no wrong. :lol They fucked with Kawhi and now they're paying the price. You can thank Pop, Porky, and Manu for that.

[DPG21920]

I’m a huge fan of Brown. Out of all the young prospects outside of Tatum, I think he has a great ceiling, incredible work ethic and 2-way potential. Will he ever be a superstar? I don’t think so, but I do think he can be a truly great player.

[DPG21920]

Spurm fan acting like PATFO can do no wrong. :lol They fucked with Kawhi and now they're paying the price. You can thank Pop, Porky, and Manu for that.

Nah - SA isn’t perfect and it’s HILARIOUS that you would imply on ST PATFO would be untouchable when all anyone does is b*tch about their moves and coaching :lmao

That’s how obvious the blame on Kawhi is; even ST is upset at him vs PATFO which is unprecedented here.

[look_at_g_shred]

Brown & Tatum. Nothing less.

[RD2191]

Brown & Tatum. Nothing less.

No way that happens imo

[look_at_g_shred]

No way that happens imo
Ship him to ATL for the 3rd pick

[Killakobe81]

I’m a huge fan of Brown. Out of all the young prospects outside of Tatum, I think he has a great ceiling, incredible work ethic and 2-way potential. Will he ever be a superstar? I don’t think so, but I do think he can be a truly great player.

I think I am inbetween you and Bum.
I like him, think he will be good ... but don't "love" him.
I think Tatum can be the #2 on a title team.
Brown is more in the #3-#4 range.
I think part of his struggle in the 2018 ECF is he was asked to perform like a #1 or #2 ...in the right role he can be much better, and has shown improvement.
He is also very intelligent and seems humble for an NBA high lottery pick.
But Bum is right as teh centerpiece of a deal he is not close to enough.

[JPB]

Doesn't that Manu4Trash no lifer really have any pride at all ? Or just some kind of minimum survival instinct after being pulverized with humiliation over and over again ?

At that point, there's no other possibility that this clown is a craving sissy coming on ST for his daily dose.

I mean, it's not humanly possible to have so little self-esteem.

[offset formation]

The Spurs need to stay relevant while getting pieces for the future. Unless Boston is willing to part with Kyrie or Hayward along with a young prospect or pick, it's a non-starter. Morris is not that guy.

The Clippers are interesting because Harris is a solid pro and they have a couple picks. Still not sure it's enough.

The intriguing part of the Clippers is that he asked to go to the Lakers. You could trade him instead to the Clips. It's LA. Same home court. Clips are very cash strung and if the Spurs signed hand traded him under a max contract whilst taking their 12 and 13 picks AND Harris, you would effectively be cockblocking that team from getting substantially better for years.

They would certainly have a hard time opening up cap space for another max player which is what he would need to even think about competing with the Warriors.

Meanwhile, the Lakers will in turn go balls in on PG, Lebron, Cousins, etc. Expect them not to have any cap space to do much else either.

[toki9]

The intriguing part of the Clippers is that he asked to go to the Lakers. You could trade him instead to the Clips. It's LA. Same home court. Clips are very cash strung and if the Spurs signed hand traded him under a max contract whilst taking their 12 and 13 picks AND Harris, you would effectively be cockblocking that team from getting substantially better for years.

They would certainly have a hard time opening up cap space for another max player which is what he would need to even think about competing with the Warriors.

Meanwhile, the Lakers will in turn go balls in on PG, Lebron, Cousins, etc. Expect them not to have any cap space to do much else either.

Wow, you're mean...but I like how you think. :bobo Just remind me never to argue with you.

[Killakobe81]

I’m a huge fan of Brown. Out of all the young prospects outside of Tatum, I think he has a great ceiling, incredible work ethic and 2-way potential. Will he ever be a superstar? I don’t think so, but I do think he can be a truly great player.

I will also use the Shaq trade analogy.
Caron "tough juice" Butler was the "Jaylen Brown" of the Heat and Horford is the "Odom" ...while tatum as the potential to be Wade.
Both Horford and Brown are better players right now than tatum but Tatum is teh better prospect.
Like with wade rumors are ainge like Riley says Wade Tatum is the only "untouchable" ...

screw that. you have the star got to get their best young prospect in return, period. Just you saying that Tatum has more upside means he HAS to be included.
Dont make the same mistake the Lakers did.

[cd021]

Love and eight pushes the market up, which is even better for SA. Lowest I take from Boston is Hayward, Brown and the SAC pick for Kawhi and Gasol.

That is actually a pretty good trade, certainly better than the Brown, Rozier, Morris and Kings pick one.

Hayward is barely 28 and despite coming off a gruesome injury should be relatively healthy going into next season. He isn't nearly as good as Kawhi but is still an all-star. Pairing him with Aldridge for at least the next two seasons probably keeps the Spurs relevant as a playoff team and moving on from Gasol allows for the Spurs to possibly play Aldridge exclusively at the 5 with more shooting around him.

Brown and Murray can progressively grow into bigger roles and hopefully the Kings pick (probably 4-8) can net the Spurs a star.

[BSfromTX]

Spurm fan acting like PATFO can do no wrong. :lol They fucked with Kawhi and now they're paying the price. You can thank Pop, Porky, and Manu for that.

Wow, you keep trying to defend Kawhi? PATFO are not without their flaws, but when we are essentially talking Pop vs. Uncle Dennis? My money is on Pop. Your attempt to support his camp's narrative is so weak.

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Wow, you're mean...but I like how you think. :bobo Just remind me never to argue with you.

Well it's mean AND smart. Imagine what PATFO could do with THREE first round picks. The lowest of which would be 10 spots higher than their regular drafting position for most of the last 20 years...where they already found an occasional gem.

Not to mention, you would add Harris who is a very solid player. And have beaucoup money to go get your own high end free agent. Plus, next year, the Pau contract would essentially only be a $7M hit and in the final year...easily tradable. And Harris' contract would also be expiring enabling you to go get yet another high end free agent in 2019. That's a fucking shit ton of winning from a bad situation that asshat and his uncle put us in. Have I said, Fuck him, yet today?

Fuck Kawhi for even putting us in this mess. But we can rise like a Phoenix, even stronger for it.

[Killakobe81]

The intriguing part of the Clippers is that he asked to go to the Lakers. You could trade him instead to the Clips. It's LA. Same home court. Clips are very cash strung and if the Spurs signed hand traded him under a max contract whilst taking their 12 and 13 picks AND Harris, you would effectively be cockblocking that team from getting substantially better for years.

They would certainly have a hard time opening up cap space for another max player which is what he would need to even think about competing with the Warriors.

Meanwhile, the Lakers will in turn go balls in on PG, Lebron, Cousins, etc. Expect them not to have any cap space to do much else either.

That's dumb. no you dont wanna allow LA to build a super power but you dont take less in trade to make that happen.
Since 2000-2013 the three best players taken with the 12th pick are Nick Collison, Thad young and Steven Adams.
at 13th in the same time-frame, its Markief Morris and Richard Jefferson
some of those guys are solid players ... but 13th also got teams Kendall marshall sean May and at 12th Robert Swift Xavier Henry

Is steven adams and Richard jefferson plus tobias harris worth KL? Maybe, all jokes aside. RJ was good before he became a Spur had a long career.
But is KL worth more than Sean may and Xavier Henry and Tobias harris abso freakin lutely its why you never trade without getting a top level young prospect in return.
Draft picks alon are a crap shoot especially late lottery picks.

[DPG21920]

That's dumb. no you dont wanna allow LA to build a super power but you dont take less in trade to make that happen.
Since 2000-2013 the three best players taken with the 12th pick are Nick Collison, Thad young and Steven Adams.
at 13th in the same time-frame, its Markief Morris and Richard Jefferson
some of those guys are solid players ... but 13th also got teams Kendall marshall sean May and at 12th Robert Swift Xavier Henry

Is steven adams and Richard jefferson plus tobias harris worth KL? Maybe, all jokes aside. RJ was good before he became a Spur had a long career.
But is KL worth more than Sean may and Xavier Henry and Tobias harris abso freakin lutely its why you never trade without getting a top level young prospect in return.
Draft picks alon are a crap shoot especially late lottery picks.

With 12, 13 & 18 SA can move up so much more. With 25 from the Lakers and 18 of their own? Not so much. I trust the Spurs drafting that with the more/better picks they can do better than Ingram and Kuz.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol 2000-2013 is an awfully convenient timeline, since it leaves out Dario Saric getting drafted 12th in 2014, Devin Booker getting drafted 13th in 2015, Taurean Prince getting drafted 12th in 2016, and Donovan Mitchell getting drafted 13th last year.

Regardless, I don't buy into these stats about who teams drafted in previous years at a specific position in the draft. It's dumb. Every draft is different, the front offices involved aren't the same, etc. There's too many variables that a stat like that ignores.

[exstatic]

Doesn't that Manu4Trash no lifer really have any pride at all ? Or just some kind of minimum survival instinct after being pulverized with humiliation over and over again ?

At that point, there's no other possibility that this clown is a craving sissy coming on ST for his daily dose.

I mean, it's not humanly possible to have so little self-esteem.

The only thing I can absolutely state about Manu4Tres is that he's living rent free in your head.

[offset formation]

With 12, 13 & 18 SA can move up so much more. With 25 from the Lakers and 18 of their own? Not so much. I trust the Spurs drafting that with the more/better picks they can do better than Ingram and Kuz.

Yep. Killakobe81, notice I said PATFO would be drafting (and developing) these guys. Not the League. And as DPG notes, they might just package those picks (and something else) for... something else. A higher draft pick, player...whatever.

Point is, you cant judge previous ceilings from those drafts when the best in the business hasn't, or has rarely, been in that position in two decades basically.

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:lol 2000-2013 is an awfully convenient timeline, since it leaves out Dario Saric getting drafted 12th in 2014, Devin Booker getting drafted 13th in 2015, Taurean Prince getting drafted 12th in 2016, and Donovan Mitchell getting drafted 13th last year.

Regardless, I don't buy into these stats about who teams drafted in previous years at a specific position in the draft. It's dumb. Every draft is different, the front offices involved aren't the same, etc. There's too many variables that a stat like that ignores.

:toast

[dabom]

Doesn't that Manu4Trash no lifer really have any pride at all ? Or just some kind of minimum survival instinct after being pulverized with humiliation over and over again ?

At that point, there's no other possibility that this clown is a craving sissy coming on ST for his daily dose.

I mean, it's not humanly possible to have so little self-esteem.

:wow






:lol

[baseline bum]

I will also use the Shaq trade analogy.
Caron "tough juice" Butler was the "Jaylen Brown" of the Heat and Horford is the "Odom" ...while tatum as the potential to be Wade.
Both Horford and Brown are better players right now than tatum but Tatum is teh better prospect.
Like with wade rumors are ainge like Riley says Wade Tatum is the only "untouchable" ...

screw that. you have the star got to get their best young prospect in return, period. Just you saying that Tatum has more upside means he HAS to be included.
Dont make the same mistake the Lakers did.

Exactly how I feel about Jaylen Brown. Caron Butler was so overhyped back then too. I'm not trading a Hall of Famer in his prime for fucking Caron Butler.

[baseline bum]

Although I think the Horford equivalent in the Shaq trade was Brian Grant considering the awful contract he was on, Killakobe81. The Odom equivalent would be the Sacramento pick Boston could move.

[Killakobe81]

:lol 2000-2013 is an awfully convenient timeline, since it leaves out Dario Saric getting drafted 12th in 2014, Devin Booker getting drafted 13th in 2015, Taurean Prince getting drafted 12th in 2016, and Donovan Mitchell getting drafted 13th last year.

Regardless, I don't buy into these stats about who teams drafted in previous years at a specific position in the draft. It's dumb. Every draft is different, the front offices involved aren't the same, etc. There's too many variables that a stat like that ignores.

I wasnt being convienient it was the time-frame for the first website I googled.
I wondered why tehy chose that but tbh it take a few years to make a valid judgment on draft picks.
LAst year I was kicking myself that we did not draft Porzy despite my concerns about his health ... now he is just as risky as most other draft picks.

Even using the dates I chose Richard Jefferson is great value on 13th considering his peak and longevity. and after season one I Wouldnt say steven adams very useful or after his flameout in the WCF three years ago either.

[Killakobe81]

Although I think the Horford equivalent in the Shaq trade was Brian Grant considering the awful contract he was on, Killakobe81. The Odom equivalent would be the Sacramento pick Boston could move.

Horford is better than grant was at the time of teh trade. grant was already dealing with back troubles.
I agree Horford is overpaid but he has value and was productive for celts before the ECF.
If spurs accepted Horford in a Tatum/Kl trade he still has value mecause he has a mid range to 3pt shot and can defend. he can be flipped.

[lmbebo]

I would take Horford only if it includes Tatum.

Deal that I would be ok with is Horford, Tatum and Sac pick next year. Maybe this year's pick if they have one.

Any deal with Bos has to include Tatum and that Sac pick.

[Killakobe81]

With 12, 13 & 18 SA can move up so much more. With 25 from the Lakers and 18 of their own? Not so much. I trust the Spurs drafting that with the more/better picks they can do better than Ingram and Kuz.

I think Spur gfan is under estimating Ingram and Kuz.
But I am not even arguing for Lakers trade.
Strangely I am arguing for a boston one but that is because I honestly feel they have the best asset (Tatum) and as much as I live Ingram/Kuz I love tatum more.

Yall can say what you want but expecting PATFO to strike KL level gold drafting at 12th/13th to me is silly when you can in theory get Tatum and a much higher pick to start from.

[lmbebo]

Tatum has star potential, someone who looks like you might be able to build around. Brown, he's a nice piece, but no where near equal to Tatum. Ingram to me is close to Brown in terms of potential. He's had his periods of great play, but also underwhelming play. Doesn't move the needle much. Kuzma I think benefited from playing on a team without playoff aspirations and not playing veterans. I think in a team like teh Spurs, you get much less out of him.

[cutewizard]

Tatum or Doncic????????

[lmbebo]

Tatum or Doncic????????

Thats a hard one. I haven't paid attention until now about lottery picks... Doncic seems legit.

if Sac came in with #2 this year, and a 2 1st down the road (2020, 2022?) plus Hield or Fox, etc. I think I'd look at that as well.

[baseline bum]

I think Spur gfan is under estimating Ingram and Kuz.
But I am not even arguing for Lakers trade.
Strangely I am arguing for a boston one but that is because I honestly feel they have the best asset (Tatum) and as much as I live Ingram/Kuz I love tatum more.

Yall can say what you want but expecting PATFO to strike KL level gold drafting at 12th/13th to me is silly when you can in theory get Tatum and a much higher pick to start from.

Meh Ingram is Caron Butler too.

[DaBears]

I would trade LMA too, start from Scratch new coach and all.. Will not be fun but start this over and get back on track.

[Killakobe81]

I would take Horford only if it includes Tatum.

Deal that I would be ok with is Horford, Tatum and Sac pick next year. Maybe this year's pick if they have one.

Any deal with Bos has to include Tatum and that Sac pick.

Smart man.
The Lowe "theory" posted on here said basically the same.
That has to be the "staring point" none of these other offers including the LAkers one, could trump that.
IF ainge says no you walk away and call his bluff.

[DaBears]

I am surprised that not 1 Spurs front office staff member hasn't pressed for an update or made a comment. That should probably tell us something, normally there would be a quote or statement from PAFTO if this was not true, and if the report hasn't come from TMZ i do not believe it. I say get the best possibly offer you can for him and get this train moving again.

[Killakobe81]

Meh Ingram is Caron Butler too.

Could be he is probably closer to Caron than to wade.
But that wasn't the point.
Not saying that Ingram = Wade I Was arguing maybe Tatum has a chance to be the "wade of the trade" meaning he is the best asset you dont make a deal of a star without getting that back.
IF lakers were the trade partner I think it's Ingram but I could understand you not likeing him I think he is a notch below Tatum as a scorer/athelete, but I do think he will be the better defender/playmaker.

And again not arguing for a Lakers trade, but a Celtics one.
But I am taking note of how negative you guys are on Ingram I think no matter where he plays if he stays healthy he is gonna be a potential #2 on contender same as Tatum. but still a big if and I stil like tatum more.

[baseline bum]

Smart man.
The Lowe "theory" posted on here said basically the same.
That has to be the "staring point" none of these other offers including the LAkers one, could trump that.
IF ainge says no you walk away and call his bluff.

If Ainge is serious about not making a fair offer I probably punish him by trading Kawhi to the Sixers for Saric + 10 + Fultz, which is a marginally better package than one centered around Jaylen Brown.

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I think Spur gfan is under estimating Ingram and Kuz.
But I am not even arguing for Lakers trade.
Strangely I am arguing for a boston one but that is because I honestly feel they have the best asset (Tatum) and as much as I live Ingram/Kuz I love tatum more.

Yall can say what you want but expecting PATFO to strike KL level gold drafting at 12th/13th to me is silly when you can in theory get Tatum and a much higher pick to start from.

Valid point about Tatum. I'd add though that moving Kawhi has to be strategic also.

We cant ship him somewhere that will end up creating a superteam that we have to take down in 2 or 3 years ourselves. So sending him somewhere that would make that difficult, while also bolstering your own team is where the special sauce is made. And historically over the last 2 decades, our PATFO have been better at that than the League.

[r0drig0lac]

Could be he is probably closer to Caron than to wade.
But that wasn't the point.
Not saying that Ingram = Wade I Was arguing maybe Tatum has a chance to be the "wade of the trade" meaning he is the best asset you dont make a deal of a star without getting that back.
IF lakers were the trade partner I think it's Ingram but I could understand you not likeing him I think he is a notch below Tatum as a scorer/athelete, but I do think he will be the better defender/playmaker.

Ingram will be a better basketball player than Tatum (he already is), even so I would not trade with the Lakers (if that is Kawhi's desire)

[baseline bum]

Ingram will be a better basketball player than Tatum (he already is), even so I would not trade with the Lakers (if that is Kawhi's desire)

Ingram is a china doll with a PER of 13.8. If Ingram was a better player and had more upside than Tatum I'd trade Kawhi to the Lakers at the draft for him and Kuzma.

[Baam]

I still want Fultz, think he has the highest upside of anyone on the table, higher than Doncic even. Plus he got over himself already with that rookie season.

Fultz Saric Covington + prospect (Korkmaz, Luwawu, Bolden?)

Saric can be the new Diaw and God knows the Spurs played their most amazing bball ever with Diaw... I'm a huge Diaw nostalgist so...

Anyway like someone said, need a prospect with MVP upside so to me it's only Doncic or Fultz centered offers. Don't think Brown qualifies, Tatum is great but too much like Iso Joe for me to love him...

[r0drig0lac]

Ingram is a china doll with a PER of 13.8. If Ingram was a better player and had more upside than Tatum I'd trade Kawhi to the Lakers at the draft for him and Kuzma.

I'm not going to disprove your answer based on PER (we'll have to wait and see), I'm sure of my belief about it, and still would not negotiate with the Lakers (simply because it's Kawhi's desire)

[Killakobe81]

If Ainge is serious about not making a fair offer I probably punish him by trading Kawhi to the Sixers for Saric + 10 + Fultz, which is a marginally better package than one centered around Jaylen Brown.

Im really "low" on fultz ...
I watched him play in the Pac 12 and nothing screamed special.
I would have argued the same about Mitchell in the ACC to be fair and I watched all his games vs. Duke and UNC. DSJr .actually looked like teh better prospect in the ACC. ..so again the draft is a crapshoot.
Fultz can penetrate but so can Murray ... so not overly impressed.
I think suns can offer a better package if they were willing to trade ayton and another young prospect ...

since there was interest in Aldridge/KL by suns how about a blockbuster with them? #1 pick plus Jackson and future first?
yall dont like ayton you could take Doncic instead ...or even threaten to take doncic to get someting out of Sacto?

[baseline bum]

I still want Fultz, think he has the highest upside of anyone on the table, higher than Doncic even. Plus he got over himself already with that rookie season.

Fultz Saric Covington + prospect (Korkmaz, Luwawu, Bolden?)

Saric can be the new Diaw and God knows the Spurs played their most amazing bball ever with Diaw... I'm a huge Diaw nostalgist so...

Anyway like someone said, need a prospect with MVP upside so to me it's only Doncic or Fultz centered offers. Don't think Brown qualifies, Tatum is great but too much like Iso Joe for me to love him...

I kind of like Fultz's upside too, especially with Chip Engelland on the Spurs coaching staff. It would suck trading Leonard to one of his preferred destinations and building a superteam, but if you can't get a likely star like Tatum you might as well take a B level young player like Saric and swing for the fences with Fultz and pick #10. I can't imagine Philly would say no to that trade.

[rasuo214]

People here are forgetting how stingy Ainge can be. Also people need to keep in mind the same reasons why the Spurs may have been reluctant to offer the supermax will apply to any offer the team receives.

I would be shocked if Ainge was willing to deal Tatum, I'm not even sure he wants to trade Brown anymore. Boston has had a lot of opportunities to acquire top talent and they've been stingy (Jimmy Butler, PG etc.). With that being said there are still trade options with the draft picks they have and maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to go that route and get the specific guys the Spurs may want vs taking on a Brown (if available).

Something like Hayward, Grizzlies pick and the Philly/Kings pick for Kawhi and Mills/Gasol. Hayward is a decent replacement and signed long-term and those picks have the potential to have good value.


I still think Philly will be the most likely route though because they may be willing to offer more to try to get Kawhi as a lure for Lebron this offseason.

[Killakobe81]

I still want Fultz, think he has the highest upside of anyone on the table, higher than Doncic even. Plus he got over himself already with that rookie season.

Fultz Saric Covington + prospect (Korkmaz, Luwawu, Bolden?)

Saric can be the new Diaw and God knows the Spurs played their most amazing bball ever with Diaw... I'm a huge Diaw nostalgist so...

Anyway like someone said, need a prospect with MVP upside so to me it's only Doncic or Fultz centered offers. Don't think Brown qualifies, Tatum is great but too much like Iso Joe for me to love him...

The irony what was KL best at in teh NBA besides defense?!
Iso mid-range game.
If you were ok with KL using iso mid range possesions why not a younger healthier version?

[baseline bum]

Im really "low" on fultz ...
I watched him play in the Pac 12 and nothing screamed special.
I would have argued the same about Mitchell in the ACC to be fair and I watched all his games vs. Duke and UNC. DSJr .actually looked like teh better prospect in the ACC. ..so again the draft is a crapshoot.
Fultz can penetrate but so can Murray ... so not overly impressed.
I think suns can offer a better package if they were willing to trade ayton and another young prospect ...

since there was interest in Aldridge/KL by suns how about a blockbuster with them? #1 pick plus Jackson and future first?
yall dont like ayton you could take Doncic instead ...or even threaten to take doncic to get someting out of Sacto?

Seems like kind of a pipe dream IMO. I don't think Phoenix makes that trade knowing Leonard will walk in a year. Sacramento is incompetent enough to do it though.

[DaBears]

I kind of like Fultz's upside too, especially with Chip Engelland on the Spurs coaching staff. It would suck trading Leonard to one of his preferred destinations and building a superteam, but if you can't get a likely star like Tatum you might as well take a B level young player like Saric and swing for the fences with Fultz and pick #10. I can't imagine Philly would say no to that trade.

Not saying Flutz wont be or is a bust, but i will always want a guy who will play with a chip on his shoulder. You will get maximum effort from those type of players.

[Killakobe81]

People here are forgetting how stingy Ainge can be. Also people need to keep in mind the same reasons why the Spurs may have been reluctant to offer the supermax will apply to any offer the team receives.

I would be shocked if Ainge was willing to deal Tatum, I'm not even sure he wants to trade Brown anymore. Boston has had a lot of opportunities to acquire top talent and they've been stingy (Jimmy Butler, PG etc.). With that being said there are still trade options with the draft picks they have and maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to go that route and get the specific guys the Spurs may want vs taking on a Brown (if available).

Something like Hayward, Grizzlies pick and the Philly/Kings pick for Kawhi and Mills/Gasol. Hayward is a decent replacement and signed long-term and those picks have the potential to have good value

if caps was not an issue I Would argue after tatum the best assets are the sacto and memphis picks but I sdont think a trade of tatum and their picks works. And as you said ainge will argue hayward/Horford/Kyrie still hold value.

[baseline bum]

People here are forgetting how stingy Ainge can be. Also people need to keep in mind the same reasons why the Spurs may have been reluctant to offer the supermax will apply to any offer the team receives.

I would be shocked if Ainge was willing to deal Tatum, I'm not even sure he wants to trade Brown anymore. Boston has had a lot of opportunities to acquire top talent and they've been stingy (Jimmy Butler, PG etc.). With that being said there are still trade options with the draft picks they have and maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to go that route and get the specific guys the Spurs may want vs taking on a Brown (if available).

Something like Hayward, Grizzlies pick and the Philly/Kings pick for Kawhi and Mills/Gasol. Hayward is a decent replacement and signed long-term and those picks have the potential to have good value

Jimmy Butler isn't a HOF talent. He is a really nice player but he's nothing close to Leonard. If he lets Philly get Leonard the Celtics are perpetual bridesmaids in the conference.

[DPG21920]

I think Spur gfan is under estimating Ingram and Kuz.
But I am not even arguing for Lakers trade.
Strangely I am arguing for a boston one but that is because I honestly feel they have the best asset (Tatum) and as much as I live Ingram/Kuz I love tatum more.

Yall can say what you want but expecting PATFO to strike KL level gold drafting at 12th/13th to me is silly when you can in theory get Tatum and a much higher pick to start from.

I would absolutely take Tatum over LAC package. But I would take LAC over Ingram and Kuz.

[exstatic]

People here are forgetting how stingy Ainge can be. Also people need to keep in mind the same reasons why the Spurs may have been reluctant to offer the supermax will apply to any offer the team receives.

I would be shocked if Ainge was willing to deal Tatum, I'm not even sure he wants to trade Brown anymore. Boston has had a lot of opportunities to acquire top talent and they've been stingy (Jimmy Butler, PG etc.). With that being said there are still trade options with the draft picks they have and maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to go that route and get the specific guys the Spurs may want vs taking on a Brown (if available).

Something like Hayward, Grizzlies pick and the Philly/Kings pick for Kawhi and Mills/Gasol. Hayward is a decent replacement and signed long-term and those picks have the potential to have good value

You don't rebuild with a 28 YO non-franchise player who has peaked out. If you're getting a fraction of the value for Kawhi, you go with young players and picks, and hope that one breaks out like Kawhi did. Tatum is 20. Brown is 21.

[DPG21920]

Seems like kind of a pipe dream IMO. I don't think Phoenix makes that trade knowing Leonard will walk in a year. Sacramento is incompetent enough to do it though.

PHX only happens if Kawhi says he will sign there. It won’t be a gamble unless Kawhi snakes PHX

[DPG21920]

If Kawhi doesn’t truly just have LA or bust mentality and see’s PHX as viable it’s a dream scenario if you have to lose Kawhi. Getting Jackson + Doncic would be about as good as you could hope for.

[Mugen]

Go Kings Go.

[rasuo214]

Jimmy Butler isn't a HOF talent. He is a really nice player but he's nothing close to Leonard. If he lets Philly get Leonard the Celtics are perpetual bridesmaids in the conference.

Yea but Kawhi is coming off a season where he didn't even play 10 games. That certainly hurts his value, plus he only has 1 year left on his deal whereas Butler had 2 and was coming off a career season.

[rasuo214]

You don't rebuild with a 28 YO non-franchise player who has peaked out. If you're getting a fraction of the value for Kawhi, you go with young players and picks, and hope that one breaks out like Kawhi did. Tatum is 20. Brown is 21.

They wouldn't be rebuilding around Hayward, they would be rebuilding around the draft picks. Hayward is included for his value and cap purposes. They could trade him in another deal along with LMA if they decide to go full rebuild or see what a team with those two is able to accomplish. Also as I said I doubt Boston wants to trade Tatum and the offer was an alternative to trading for Brown since the Grizzlies pick may hold more value and the Kings pick could have good value as well.


But like others have mentioned the Spurs/Pop may want to avoid creating another superteam. If they were forced to, Philly may be the team because of the connection with Brown and Pop could use it as a passing of the torch when he eventually retires. I also think they would offer the best value.

[DPG21920]

Go Kings Go.

It’s a great opportunity - I just dont know when this trade would need to be executed. I think in order to not have to take back too much salary it would need to wait until July 1 to be executed.

[Mugen]

Trade partners in order of preference tbh:

PHX/SAC Pipedream > Boston > CLE > LAC > Philly > Lakers

[Killakobe81]

I would absolutely take Tatum over LAC package. But I would take LAC over Ingram and Kuz.

To each his own. I would not. we will review in a few years.
Obviously you can play the well if we drafted them instead of clips card ...
buyt doesnt matter whomever is taken 12/13th

willing to make any of the following:
an avvy, signature or timed ELE bet they will not be better than Ingram/Kuz ... using not only PER but WS and Orating ... we can use the first two or three years as the baseline.
and I say this confidently knowing ingram had a doo-doo year one.

[DPG21920]

I’m not saying they WILL be better, Im saying Ingram is not so good that I would pass on the opportunity for SA to draft someone that could have a higher ceiling. There’s a downside to that too, but Ingram is not good enough to pass on the upside to me.

[DPG21920]

Trade partners in order of preference tbh:

PHX/SAC Pipedream > Boston > CLE > LAC > Philly > Lakers

PHX: Josh Jackson + #1

SAC: Fox + #2

BOS: Tatum + pick or Brown + multiple picks

CLE: #8 + hopefully them routing Love to a third team for another lottery pick

PHI: Fultz, Covington + #10

LAC: Harris + #12 + #13

Lakers: Ingram + them working with other teams to get multiple other picks + 25th pick.

[rasuo214]

Trade partners in order of preference tbh:

PHX/SAC Pipedream > Boston > CLE > LAC > Philly > Lakers

Why is Philly so low? They can make better offers than Cleveland or the Clippers.

[SuperCam]

PHX: Josh Jackson + #1

SAC: Fox + #2

BOS: Tatum + pick or Brown + multiple picks

CLE: #8 + hopefully them routing Love to a third team for another lottery pick

PHI: Fultz, Covington + #10

LAC: Harris + #12 + #13

Lakers: Ingram + them working with other teams to get multiple other picks + 25th pick.


damn spurfan is optimistic/delusional today :lol

[DPG21920]

damn spurfan is optimistic/delusional today :lol

How so? We don’t know how the market for a top 3 player will shake out. We were discussing what appears to have been discussed to varying degrees and how we would rank them.

[rasuo214]

PHX: Josh Jackson + #1

SAC: Fox + #2

BOS: Tatum + pick or Brown + multiple picks

CLE: #8 + hopefully them routing Love to a third team for another lottery pick

PHI: Fultz, Covington + #10

LAC: Harris + #12 + #13

Lakers: Ingram + them working with other teams to get multiple other picks + 25th pick.

In what world does the Suns or Kings offer that? Especially for a 1 year rental (no way is Kawhi re-signing with either).

[StrengthAndHonor]

Josh Jackson + 1

:lol

[DPG21920]

In what world does the Suns or Kings offer that? Especially for a 1 year rental (no way is Kawhi re-signing with either).

You answered your own question. Those offers happen maybe if Kawhi has a bigger list of teams than we know of. Especially SAC who is in Cali. Kawhi may want LA but if he cant get that because LA doesn’t have a good enough offer, would he be ok with SAC?

This is pretty much unprecedented and who knows what a team may be willing to gamble for the chance at the potential league MVP.

[DPG21920]

Josh Jackson + 1

:lol

We were discussing our best cases. If Kawhi says he would sign with PHX and they can pair him without giving up Booker? I can aboslutey see them doing that.

Kevin Love netted the number one pick. You don’t think Kawhi is worth more than Kevin Love assuming he says he will re-sign there?

[Spurs da champs]

Fultz, Covington, & tenth pick is garbage.

[Killakobe81]

Fultz, Covington, & tenth pick is garbage.

this I would take Saric over Covington.
good role player but they overpaid him.

[DPG21920]

Fultz, Covington, & tenth pick is garbage.

That is probably the most divisive trade. Some people still really believe in Fultz. Some people hate him. How you view him is how you view the deal but it will be widely debated if hit happens.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

People here are forgetting how stingy Ainge can be. Also people need to keep in mind the same reasons why the Spurs may have been reluctant to offer the supermax will apply to any offer the team receives.

I would be shocked if Ainge was willing to deal Tatum, I'm not even sure he wants to trade Brown anymore. Boston has had a lot of opportunities to acquire top talent and they've been stingy (Jimmy Butler, PG etc.). With that being said there are still trade options with the draft picks they have and maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to go that route and get the specific guys the Spurs may want vs taking on a Brown (if available).

Something like Hayward, Grizzlies pick and the Philly/Kings pick for Kawhi and Mills/Gasol. Hayward is a decent replacement and signed long-term and those picks have the potential to have good value.


I still think Philly will be the most likely route though because they may be willing to offer more to try to get Kawhi as a lure for Lebron this offseason.

As stingy as Ainge is, if you have the opportunity to get one of the top 2-3 players in the NBA, you don't F around with it.

[rasuo214]

You answered your own question. Those offers happen maybe if Kawhi has a bigger list of teams than we know of. Especially SAC who is in Cali. Kawhi may want LA but if he cant get that because LA doesn’t have a good enough offer, would he be ok with SAC?

This is pretty much unprecedented and who knows what a team may be willing to gamble for the chance at the potential league MVP.

How does that answer the question? There is a 0% chance that Kawhi would state any interest in signing an extension with either team. It would not be to his benefit at all, they're mediocre media markets, awful front offices and awful teams.

Even if by some miracle they had a guarantee that he would sign an extension that is still an exorbitant offer for someone who didn't play 10 games last season and his health being a question mark, regardless of how good of a player he is when healthy.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

That is probably the most divisive trade. Some people still really believe in Fultz. Some people hate him. How you view him is how you view the deal but it will be widely debated if hit happens.

If you swap Saric in for Covington, it's a pretty solid trade for the silver and black.

[look_at_g_shred]

shits been quiet since Friday

[DPG21920]

How does that answer the question? There is a 0% chance that Kawhi would state any interest in signing an extension with either team. It would not be to his benefit at all, they're mediocre media markets, awful front offices and awful teams.

Even if by some miracle they had a guarantee that he would sign an extension that is still an exorbitant offer for someone who didn't play 10 games last season and his health being a question mark, regardless of how good of a player he is when healthy.

Ok.

[RD2191]

So if Kawhi gets moved it should happen on draft night?

[Play Boban]

Fultz, Covington, & tenth pick is garbage.
I agree. Why the hell would we take Covington over Saric? Saric could be a borderline All-Star. Covington is a solid 3 and D player approaching 30 tbh.

[rasuo214]

As stingy as Ainge is, if you have the opportunity to get one of the top 2-3 players in the NBA, you don't F around with it.

I'm just not convinced Ainge is that interested, he's stingy and gets enamored with his assets. Sure he would like Kawhi but not at the cost of Tatum and maybe not Brown either. Anything is possible though but I just don't see it based on past actions/behavior.

[DPG21920]

So if Kawhi gets moved it should happen on draft night?

Should? No. But highly possible? Yes. Just depends on how Kawhi is acting behind the scenes and if he’s hurting SA by being strict with his list of teams.

If he’s being somewhat reasonable so both parties can be happy, then draft night trade is likely. If he’s being a Kawhi, then it could drag on much longer.

[DPG21920]

I agree. Why the hell would we take Covington over Saric? Saric could be a borderline All-Star. Covington is a solid 3 and D player approaching 30 tbh.

It’s just an example. There are many variations of trades that could happen. But salaries might matter and that’s why I put COV in there

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm just not convinced Ainge is that interested, he's stingy and gets enamored with his assets. Sure he would like Kawhi but not at the cost of Tatum and maybe not Brown either. Anything is possible though but I just don't see it based on past actions/behavior.

Unlike some other teams, though, Boston could hardly hope to sign him as a FA next summer because of their cap situation. If Ainge wants him that badly and Kawhi's willing to commit to them, then he'll make a good offer.

[RD2191]

Should? No. But highly possible? Yes. Just depends on how Kawhi is acting behind the scenes and if he’s hurting SA by being strict with his list of teams.

If he’s being somewhat reasonable so both parties can be happy, then draft night trade is likely. If he’s being a Kawhi, then it could drag on much longer.

It's exciting either way I guess. :lol

[DPG21920]

I dont know what SA will get for Kawhi. A lot depends on Kawhi’s health but more importantly how much he wants to force his way to a small list of teams.

IF (which we just don’t know yet) he’s open to more places than we know, SA should get a great offer. Even if we hate Kawhi it doesn’t change the fact he’s considered a top 5 player and teams with limited cap space to get him in free agency will have to trade for him if they want him.

Even teams that might have cap space will risk Kawhi being traded (like PG to OKC) and possibly being swayed to stay.

[DPG21920]

It's exciting either way I guess. :lol

Why do you think I go to the draft mang??

[K...]

The only way we get a high pick offer is to add value like Murray, 18 or next year's first. That might be worth it if the Spurs really think ayton and donic are legit. The same may be true in all offers, we can sweeten the pot a tad too close a deal

[Play Boban]

It’s just an example. There are many variations of trades that could happen. But salaries might matter and that’s why I put COV in there

I don't make a trade with Philly without including Saric tbh. He is the surest asset on that team tbh.

[baseline bum]

As stingy as Ainge is, if you have the opportunity to get one of the top 2-3 players in the NBA, you don't F around with it.

Especially when the Spurs can go cockblock Ainge's entire rebuild by trading that top 3 player to the Sixers.

[ducks]

shits been quiet since Friday

fathers day
leonard sucking uncle because he was only thing he had for dad

[FvckMavs]

Especially when the Spurs can go cockblock Ainge's entire rebuild by trading that top 3 player to the Sixers.

And Sixers potentially sign LBJ after that trade...

[dabom]

fathers day
leonard sucking uncle because he was only thing he had for dad

What is wrong with you? :lol

[mo7888]

I would absolutely take Tatum over LAC package. But I would take LAC over Ingram and Kuz.

What if the Lakers have you Ingram and ball? I'm assuming you re-route ball for additional assets.

[DPG21920]

What if the Lakers have you Ingram and ball? I'm assuming you re-route ball for additional assets.

I mean, maybe. If you think you can get a better pick than 12/13 for Ball then sure. But if not, no.

[DPG21920]

Also outside of BOS and LAC/LAL, SA has a lot of good relationships and respect around the league. They will be able to have conversations, be honest/trusted and hopefully that leads to something palatable.

A team won’t do something dumb out of respect for SA but they will come to the table with serious mindsets and a level of trust.

[baseline bum]

And Sixers potentially sign LBJ after that trade...

Sixers would only have about $18 million in capspace after losing Fultz and Saric but gaining Leonard. Embiid has $25 million on the books for next season. Hard to believe he's entering his fifth year since being drafted.

[DarkGinobili]

This is a crazy off season so far.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm just not convinced Ainge is that interested, he's stingy and gets enamored with his assets. Sure he would like Kawhi but not at the cost of Tatum and maybe not Brown either. Anything is possible though but I just don't see it based on past actions/behavior.

Boston's going to have to make some trades because they can't let all those small contracts become big contracts or they'll end up with shit due to the cap. You can't just sit on assets forever. Boston's going to do some trading this year whether or not its with the Spurs.

[mo7888]

I don't make a trade with Philly without including Saric tbh. He is the surest asset on that team tbh.

I agree with that.

[Seventyniner]

As stingy as Ainge is, if you have the opportunity to get one of the top 2-3 players in the NBA, you don't F around with it.

Didn't Ainge offer four firsts to Charlotte for the pick they used on Kaminsky? Except they would have taken Justise Winslow?

[cutewizard]

This is a crazy off season so far.

Totally.......

[Spurs da champs]

Didn't Ainge offer four firsts to Charlotte for the pick they used on Kaminsky? Except they would have taken Justise Winslow?
MJ's dumbass saved Ainge.

[spurraider21]

a trade with boston where the best player we get is jaylen brown would be a shitty deal. brown looks like an excellent complementary player. but he has nearly zero franchise player/best player on a competitive team potential. chinook's idea of picking up brown and hayward in a deal sending over gasol is much more intriguing if we were to go that route.

but i would prefer fultz/saric/covington package to these brown/rozier shit trades

[Gino20]

Interesting tidbit from Chris Broussard this morning that Kawhi's uncle and Kyrie Irving's dad are fairly close. He specifically mentioned that he didn't know if Kawhi wanted to play with LBJ, but his uncle has heard horror stories from Kyrie's dad about playing with LBJ.

[Gino20]

Interesting tidbit from Chris Broussard this morning that Kawhi's uncle and Kyrie Irving's dad are fairly close. He specifically mentioned that he didn't know if Kawhi wanted to play with LBJ, but his uncle has heard horror stories from Kyrie's dad about playing with LBJ.

1) The Spurs were starting to be mentioned much more about a possible basketball fit for LBJ (even if the chances of acquiring LBJ were slim).
2) Kawhi may be interested in playing in Boston due to the relationship that his uncle and Kyrie's father have.

[lmbebo]

1) The Spurs were starting to be mentioned much more about a possible basketball fit for LBJ (even if the chances of acquiring LBJ were slim).
2) Kawhi may be interested in playing in Boston due to the relationship that his uncle and Kyrie's father have.

no clue if Kyrie sticks around in Bos... guy is going LBJ with contract, signing, etc

[coachmac87]

damn spurfan is optimistic/delusional today :lol


You idolize Cam Newton...a grown man idolizing another grown man..

[cd98]

Hey Yahoo is reporting that the Cavs are contacting Spurs. Please. We don't want their 8th pick and Kevin Love for Kawhi. Maybe LMA.

[DPG21920]

Hey Yahoo is reporting that the Cavs are contacting Spurs. Please. We don't want their 8th pick and Kevin Love for Kawhi. Maybe LMA.

Only “proposed” type of deal I’ve seen with CLE that would make any sense is if they trade Love to MEM for 4/Parsons and CLE then uses 4 & 8 for Kawhi.

[gambit1990]

fuck kyrie. horror stories from playing with LBJ? :lol GTFO.

[ducks]

Hey Yahoo is reporting that the Cavs are contacting Spurs. Please. We don't want their 8th pick and Kevin Love for Kawhi. Maybe LMA.

liberal yahoo LOL

[Spurs da champs]

Only “proposed” type of deal I’ve seen with CLE that would make any sense is if they trade Love to MEM for 4/Parsons and CLE then uses 4 & 8 for Kawhi.
That would be great for Spurs, but aside from unloading Parsons I don't see what Memphis gets out of it.

[cutewizard]

Tatum for Kawhi would be fair i think.......

[Killakobe81]

That would be great for Spurs, but aside from unloading Parsons I don't see what Memphis gets out of it.

Not a bad haul I think the best players are gone by those spots ...but maybe Spurs like/have identified a KL type prospect within top 10?
but why would Memphis want Love?
IS Gasol gone?
That's an awfully slow front court ...

[lmbebo]

That would be great for Spurs, but aside from unloading Parsons I don't see what Memphis gets out of it.

Agree, not sure why Memphis does that ...

[SuperCam]

How so? We don’t know how the market for a top 3 player will shake out. We were discussing what appears to have been discussed to varying degrees and how we would rank them.

spur don't have that leverage though. not when Kiwi's group is telling everyone he wants to sign in LA. not to mention the bone growing out of his thigh :lol

[Pavlov]

fuck kyrie. horror stories from playing with LBJ? :lol GTFO.:lol it's got to be a nightmare going to the finals every season.

[Spurs da champs]

Not a bad haul I think the best players are gone by those spots ...but maybe Spurs like/have identified a KL type prospect within top 10?
but why would Memphis want Love?
IS Gasol gone?
That's an awfully slow front court ...
Gasol and the FO loved that slow front court of he and Randolph for so long. Memphis is joke of an organization as well, tbh.

[DPG21920]

That would be great for Spurs, but aside from unloading Parsons I don't see what Memphis gets out of it.

They get a talented player in place of Parsons instead of just having to use the 4th pick to dump him (which isn’t likely anyways). But they may value getting a good player for that pick and dumping Parsons since they struggle to attract free agents

[DPG21920]

Not a bad haul I think the best players are gone by those spots ...but maybe Spurs like/have identified a KL type prospect within top 10?
but why would Memphis want Love?
IS Gasol gone?
That's an awfully slow front court ...

If you think the main guys are gone and you want someone not only better than Parsons but to rid yourself of Parsons’ deal? Not a bad option.

[DPG21920]

spur don't have that leverage though. not when Kiwi's group is telling everyone he wants to sign in LA. not to mention the bone growing out of his thigh :lol

If you believe that then SA has all the leverage. If Kawhi has a bone growing out of his thigh then he will be damaged goods. He can’t afford to mess with SA or they will let him walk in free agency where the best he could do is 145M vs the 219M he can get now. That’s if he does well this next season with SA vs sitting out again or looking like a shell of himself.

[Spurs da champs]

If you think the main guys are gone and you want someone not only better than Parsons but to rid yourself of Parsons’ deal? Not a bad option.
Yes, but it pushes them back to what, the middle of the pack? Surely even Memphis would tire of Mediocrity, that's why they hired Bickerstaff as head coach. :lol

[SuperCam]

If you believe that then SA has all the leverage. If Kawhi has a bone growing out of his thigh then he will be damaged goods. He can’t afford to mess with SA or they will let him walk in free agency where the best he could do is 145M vs the 219M he can get now. That’s if he does well this next season with SA vs sitting out again or looking like a shell of himself.

but PATFO potentially getting nothing out of Kiwi walking in 2019 is even worse than Kiwi losing money he would make up in the backend. much worse, no GM in their right mind would be able to justify that when lottery picks and A-/B+ prospects were on the table a summer before.

[DPG21920]

Yes, but it pushes them back to what, the middle of the pack? Surely even Memphis would tire of Mediocrity, that's why they hired Bickerstaff as head coach. :lol

Maybe - but not everyone can be choosers. They gave out an awful deal and might be happy just getting a more positive asset/flexilbity while still fighting for playoffs.

[DPG21920]

but PATFO potentially getting nothing out of Kiwi walking in 2019 is even worse than Kiwi losing money he would make up in the backend. much worse, no GM in their right mind would be able to justify that when lottery picks and A-/B+ prospects were on the table a summer before.

But you said Kawhi has a bone growing? How can he make up that money after 2 years of sitting out?

[lmbebo]

But you said Kawhi has a bone growing? How can he make up that money after 2 years of sitting out?

Who ever said he had a bone growing? Calcification of the tendon/muscle is a very much different process with different implications....

[DPG21920]

Who ever said he had a bone growing? Calcification of the tendon/muscle is a very much different process with different implications....

Cam did.

[DPG21920]

If you are MEM, would you take someone as talented as Kevin Love with the number 4 pick? If you can get a bird in the hand (known good player with positive value) with Love for the 4th pick that alone may be good enough. If it also let’s you shed Parsons?

Again, not saying MEM would or should trade 4 to dump parsons just that it’s the only thing I can see CLE doing to truly get Kawhi.

[Budkin]

shits been quiet since Friday

Because it was nothing but a leak. I decided to wait until we hear something official.

[marinoman]

A big trade proposal i saw based on disgruntled stars like butler

HEAT GET
KAWHI LEONARD
TYUS JONES



https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/spurs.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
SPURS GET
JIMMY BUTLER
JEFF TEAGUE
BAM ADEBAYO





https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/timberwolves.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
TIMBERWOLVES GET
C.J. MCCOLLUM
GORAN DRAGIC
ZACH COLLINS
JUSTISE WINSLOW



https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/trailblazers.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
TRAILBLAZERS GET
PAU GASOL
JOSH RICHARDSON
DEJOUNTE MURRAY
2019 1ST ROUND PICK (FROM MIA)

[SuperCam]

But you said Kawhi has a bone growing? How can he make up that money after 2 years of sitting out?

but if it's that bad, it's even less likely other teams will give spur a kings ransom

[lmbebo]

Leak about spurs not offering Supermax may also have come from Kwahi's "camp" as well. SA doesn't let crap like that out. Kwahi's camp trying to make themselves look like the victim.

[rjv]

shits been quiet since Friday

why is no one taking note of this? even the source of the breaking news (jabari young) wasn't adamant about what he reported last night when he was on the local news. he stated that leonard could still stay and then later went on some bizarre rant where he pointed his comments directly to pop and said that if "you get in a room with kawhi, his mom and his uncle and sort everything out, i guarantee he will stay". what the hell was that all about? in the meantime, neither the spurs or leonard or his "people" have actually said anything at all.

[spurraider21]

lol that offer where we replace leonard with older, inferior version of leonard

[BatManu20]

A big trade proposal i saw based on disgruntled stars like butler

HEAT GET
KAWHI LEONARD
TYUS JONES



https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/spurs.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
SPURS GET
JIMMY BUTLER
JEFF TEAGUE
BAM ADEBAYO





https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/timberwolves.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
TIMBERWOLVES GET
C.J. MCCOLLUM
GORAN DRAGIC
ZACH COLLINS
JUSTISE WINSLOW



https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/trailblazers.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
TRAILBLAZERS GET
PAU GASOL
JOSH RICHARDSON
DEJOUNTE MURRAY
2019 1ST ROUND PICK (FROM MIA)







Awful.

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

but if it's that bad, it's even less likely other teams will give spur a kings ransom

True, but then Kawhi loses leverage since he knows he’s damaged goods and the more he’s an a** the more SA can penalize him financially.

[Killakobe81]

A big trade proposal i saw based on disgruntled stars like butler

HEAT GET
KAWHI LEONARD
TYUS JONES



https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/spurs.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
SPURS GET
JIMMY BUTLER
JEFF TEAGUE
BAM ADEBAYO





https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/timberwolves.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
TIMBERWOLVES GET
C.J. MCCOLLUM
GORAN DRAGIC
ZACH COLLINS
JUSTISE WINSLOW



https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/fan/image?url=https://cdn.fansided.com/logos/nba/trailblazers.png&c=sc&w=75&h=75
TRAILBLAZERS GET
PAU GASOL
JOSH RICHARDSON
DEJOUNTE MURRAY
2019 1ST ROUND PICK (FROM MIA)





what a shitty deal and you give up Murray who has flaws but has shown some promise?
shouldnt Spurs have to give up the least?

[exstatic]

I'm just not convinced Ainge is that interested, he's stingy and gets enamored with his assets. Sure he would like Kawhi but not at the cost of Tatum and maybe not Brown either. Anything is possible though but I just don't see it based on past actions/behavior.

What top 3 players have become available that he has passed on?

[BSfromTX]

https://youtu.be/3EkBuKQEkio

Pop, uncle dennis and Kawhi

[DPG21920]

If Kawhi wants LA all SA has to do is wait Kawhi out and Lakers are no longer an option. If LA will hold off on signing PG/Lebron for Kawhi then sure. But as soon as LA uses their cap space on PG/Lebron Kawhi is dead to rights.

[Mugen]

If Kawhi wants LA all SA has to do is wait Kawhi out and Lakers are no longer an option. If LA will hold off on signing PG/Lebron for Kawhi then sure. But as soon as LA uses their cap space on PG/Lebron Kawhi is dead to rights.

That's the move.

Let's say Uncle Retard and the group leak they will only sign an extension with the Lakers and scares of all other suitors. You think Pop/RC call their bluff and risk having this shit go on until the trade deadline? Or do they cave and take the LA deal?

[SuperCam]

If Kawhi wants LA all SA has to do is wait Kawhi out and Lakers are no longer an option. If LA will hold off on signing PG/Lebron for Kawhi then sure. But as soon as LA uses their cap space on PG/Lebron Kawhi is dead to rights.

he'll just sign for the cripples then who project to have two max slots next year

[BillMc]

https://youtu.be/3EkBuKQEkio

Pop, uncle dennis and Kawhi

Are Spurs involved in a land war in Asia? :lol

[Mugen]

The Lakers will not retain cap space into next summer. Magic/Rob can't afford to, they'll need to land a "superstar" one way or another even if it means throwing dead money at Boogie.

Trust me, they do not have the patience to sit out another summer and get laughed at even further.

[DPG21920]

he'll just sign for the cripples then who project to have two max slots next year

Cool. Have fun losing and losing 80M when you are hobbled. Who’s giving a guy a max deal when he sits out 2 years?

[DPG21920]

That's the move.

Let's say Uncle Retard and the group leak they will only sign an extension with the Lakers and scares of all other suitors. You think Pop/RC call their bluff and risk having this shit go on until the trade deadline? Or do they cave and take the LA deal?

They wait. I truly think SA would rather let him walk then trade him to LA for their current assets. If anything holding Kawhi will force LA to get other assets if they want to deal.

Kawhi would know as well he’s f’d so he would be forced to open up his list and also see Lakers truly don’t care about him enough to wait :lol

[Mugen]

:lol seriously, kawhi needs to absolutely ball out next season or he stands to lose A TON of money (i'm talking 100+mil).

[DPG21920]

The Lakers will not retain cap space into next summer. Magic/Rob can't afford to, they'll need to land a "superstar" one way or another even if it means throwing dead money at Boogie.

Trust me, they do not have the patience to sit out another summer and get laughed at even further.

And Kawhi is amazing, but no way you pass on Lebron and Paul George to wait with Kawhi. What if Kawhi got injured badly and now no Kawhi or PG? It would be impossible for LA to wait unless Bron/PG say no.

If you are Bron and LA says “let’s not sign PG and waste a year when you are 34 to get Kawhi” he will say bye bye.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi can make life difficult but unless he’s truly willing to lose 80-100M just to damage SA and unless he’s willing to sign with any LA team assuming SA tanks his Lakers chances, he only has so much leverage.

It behooves all involved to play nice and be open. Who knows though.

[daslicer]

Kawhi and Uncle Dennis

lx0lSRGMB1g

[cd98]

I also believe that Kawhi makes more if he’s traded rather than signing as a free agent. So to make the most he can from the Lakers or anyone, he would need a trade.

[exstatic]

And Kawhi is amazing, but no way you pass on Lebron and Paul George to wait with Kawhi. What if Kawhi got injured badly and now no Kawhi or PG? It would be impossible for LA to wait unless Bron/PG say no.

If you are Bron and LA says “let’s not sign PG and waste a year when you are 34 to get Kawhi” he will say bye bye.

I think if they're really serious about taking out GS, and the LAL can't get Kawhi, PG takes the $ in OKC, and LeBron does whatever. Two thirtysomethings are not enough fire power to take down GS.

[Mugen]

Biggest concern is still that Kawhi's group is made up of actual retarded, amateurs. Just zero foresight into anything and they're obviously in over their heads.

If they weren't absolutely fucktards, they could have likely secured their client a 200+ mil extension this summer and salvaged any hits to Kawhi's reputation. As it stands now, they still might fall ass backwards into a huge extension but Kawhi's rep is forever tarnished/ruined throughout the NBA landscape. He's gonna have to ball out next season to even start making up some of the goodwill they lost this season.

[DPG21920]

I think if they're really serious about taking out GS, and the LAL can't get Kawhi, PG takes the $ in OKC, and LeBron does whatever. Two thirtysomethings are not enough fire power to take down GS.

I agree. I think they could be damn good with Bron/PG and their core, but not enough. But maybe Bron/PG don’t care about it that much (winning). I mean, they want to win, but it might not be the main thing.

But if LA knows they have to trade for Kawhi and can’t get him in 2019 FA, then they will be forced to get more assets or be stuck.

[DPG21920]

Biggest concern is still that Kawhi's group is made up of actual retarded, amateurs. Just zero foresight into anything and they're obviously in over their heads.

If they weren't absolutely fucktards, they could have likely secured their client a 200+ mil extension this summer and salvaged any hits to Kawhi's reputation. As it stands now, they still might fall ass backwards into a huge extension but Kawhi's rep is forever tarnished/ruined throughout the NBA landscape. He's gonna have to ball out next season to even start making up some of the goodwill they lost this season.

He also could have forced his way to LA by being upfront and giving SA time to really work on a deal they are happy with and set a price.

[exstatic]

He also could have forced his way to LA by being upfront and giving SA time to really work on a deal they are happy with and set a price.

Tru dat. If they had just approached Pop LAST summer, the LAL had more assets. Of course, if they spend those assets on getting Kawhi, they then couldn't use them to offload contracts to create the cap room they needed for this summer. It may just never have worked under any circumstances.

[Killakobe81]

The Lakers will not retain cap space into next summer. Magic/Rob can't afford to, they'll need to land a "superstar" one way or another even if it means throwing dead money at Boogie.

Trust me, they do not have the patience to sit out another summer and get laughed at even further.

You are silly we arent paying Boogie.
No one is laughing at the Lakers who now are considered a legit threat for frontline talent in FA
and now are ateam on the rise ... still a long ways to go. but we didnt clear space for a boogie with a ruptured achilles.

[Mugen]

You are silly we arent paying Boogie.
No one is laughing at the Lakers who now are considered a legit threat for frontline talent in FA
and now are ateam on the rise ... still a long ways to go. but we didnt clear space for a boogie with a ruptured achilles.

:lol Killa, I like you bruh you know that. But you know I don't respect any of your bball takes. And i think the Lakers still likely land PG. Boogie is a worst case scenario and I definitely see the Lakeshow doing it if they strike out everybody else.

[cd98]

To be honest, Spurs may dodge a bullet by being forced to trade Kawhi. The Supermax is betting that Kawhi will be a superstar for the next five years and if he's injured or regresses, our team can only hope we draft great to pick up the slack. There won't be a lot of money for FA. The margin of error is much smaller.

[daslicer]

Biggest concern is still that Kawhi's group is made up of actual retarded, amateurs. Just zero foresight into anything and they're obviously in over their heads.

If they weren't absolutely fucktards, they could have likely secured their client a 200+ mil extension this summer and salvaged any hits to Kawhi's reputation. As it stands now, they still might fall ass backwards into a huge extension but Kawhi's rep is forever tarnished/ruined throughout the NBA landscape. He's gonna have to ball out next season to even start making up some of the goodwill they lost this season.

Unfortunately if Kawhi plays in a desired market and returns to his MVP level then all of his shenanigans will be forgiven by the media. Just look at the treatment Durant gets now that he has won 2 titles despite the bitch move he pulled.

[daslicer]

To be honest, Spurs may dodge a bullet by being forced to trade Kawhi. The Supermax is betting that Kawhi will be a superstar for the next five years and if he's injured or regresses, our team can only hope we draft great to pick up the slack. There won't be a lot of money for FA. The margin of error is much smaller.

I hate the Supermax. Its going to create future Kevin Garnett-Timberwolves scenarios where a team's cap space will be getting eaten up by the superstar player but their won't be enough cap space to build a championship level team.

[exstatic]

Unfortunately if Kawhi plays in a desired market and returns to his MVP level then all of his shenanigans will be forgiven by the media. Just look at the treatment Durant gets now that he has won 2 titles despite the bitch move he pulled.

Durant's move was like a 4 on the bitch scale. Kawhi's fake injury medical holdout was like a 9 on the bitch scale.

[Mugen]

Unfortunately if Kawhi plays in a desired market and returns to his MVP level then all of his shenanigans will be forgiven by the media. Just look at the treatment Durant gets now that he has won 2 titles despite the bitch move he pulled.

:lol Durant is one of the most hated people in sports currently, you have numerous talking heads shit on him for his titles. He hasn't taken a hit financially but if we're talking purely about reputation, KD is a terrible example.

[marinoman]

what a shitty deal and you give up Murray who has flaws but has shown some promise?
shouldnt Spurs have to give up the least?
Well i agree giving up Murray is too much, but honestly I think people around here are are living in a fantasy. If things can’t be worked out, a one year rental for a superstar that has a legit injury concern isnt goin for tatam and brown or something great

[daslicer]

Durant's move was like a 4 on the bitch scale. Kawhi's fake injury medical holdout was like a 9 on the bitch scale.

If Kawhi plays for the Lakers,Sixers,Celtics then the media will ignore it and pretend that it never happened.

[daslicer]

:lol Durant is one of the most hated people in sports currently, you have numerous talking heads shit on him for his titles. He hasn't taken a hit financially but if we're talking purely about reputation, KD is a terrible example.

The media still anoints Durant as the second best player in the league after Lebron. I think the only thing the move cost him was the chance to be the best player in the league among talking heads and players. No matter what he tries to do he will never pass Lebron.

[baseline bum]

Durant's move was like a 4 on the bitch scale. Kawhi's fake injury medical holdout was like a 9 on the bitch scale.

The media is mostly on his side right now. If he's winning again next season in LA/Philly/Boston they'll be entirely on his side. When Eric Gordon was carrying the Rockets in the WCF no one mentioned him pulling the same crap with New Orleans.

[HarlemHeat37]

The media still anoints Durant as the second best player in the league after Lebron. I think the only thing the move cost him was the chance to be the best player in the league among talking heads and players. No matter what he tries to do he will never pass Lebron.

I don't know what you watch or follow, but Durant is absolutely hated and criticized by virtually everybody..giving him credit for his ability doesn't change that, I think most humans can objectively analyze that..

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The media is mostly on his side right now. If he's winning again next season in LA/Philly/Boston they'll be entirely on his side. When Eric Gordon was carrying the Rockets in the WCF no one mentioned him pulling the same crap with New Orleans.

Well, most didn't pay enough attention to him in NO to know it happened.

[K...]

Durant is both hated and objectively the second best player.

The winning solves everything take is correct, but if he fails it'll weigh on him harder then if he stayed with sa. If he stayed it would just be "the Spurs mystique is gone" and not about back stabbing.

[Gibbz]

Curry > KD--they let KD take the FMVPs cause he'd have a meltdown if he 100% realized he didn't earn the rings.

[daslicer]

Durant is both hated and objectively the second best player.

The winning solves everything take is correct, but if he fails it'll weigh on him harder then if he stayed with sa. If he stayed it would just be "the Spurs mystique is gone" and not about back stabbing.

I think these big markets tend to be desperate for a star if their team has been irrelevant for a long time and don't really care too much about winning. Look at the Knicks with Carmelo. The Knicks fans didn't realize how crappy Carmelo was until his final year in NYC. Granted I think the worst thing that can happen with Kawhi if he's in LA and the Lakers are not winning then the media will start hating him simply because he doesn't like to talk. They are not use to dealing with a mute Superstar and he probably only gets a pass for being mute if they are winning.

[BSfromTX]

I hate the Supermax. Its going to create future Kevin Garnett-Timberwolves scenarios where a team's cap space will be getting eaten up by the superstar player but their won't be enough cap space to build a championship level team.

Exactly. Thats a lot of eggs in one basket. Over the last thirty years there have been so many teams stuck in cap hell because of one player. That is the last place I want Spurs to be in

[TD 21]

disagree


Anything less than Tatum AND Brown AND the Kings 1st is just being marks and getting destroyed in the trade and gifting Boston the title.

I don't think a Boston deal is even worth pursuing.

Spurs number one priority should be to not be suckers. They'll lose every trade but don't have to be suckers. Don't give contenders free rings like Rodman to the Bulls. Don't give big markets free contention.

And if that means benching Kawhi for a year then so be it.

This is all sounds nice, but Tatum, Brown and the Kings 1st is obviously not realistic and though I'm not opposed to taking this up until the trade deadline, at that point, barring a reconciliation (even then, it would still be risky), they'd have to make a move.

The Celtics don't need Leonard, yet at the same time can make the offer with the most stability and best combination of high reward/low risk (Brown, Kings '19 '1st, Rozier, Morris, Yabusele). That's a great position to be in and one the Spurs likely can't turn down.



Love and eight pushes the market up, which is even better for SA. Lowest I take from Boston is Hayward, Brown and the SAC pick for Kawhi and Gasol.

Even if they were willing to do that to Hayward (highly unlikely), I can't see the Kings 1st being involved as well.

Beyond the obvious, another reason they more than likely wouldn't trade Hayward is, they wouldn't be locks to re-sign Leonard. Clearly, they'd only trade for him period believing they would, but if he walked and they made this trade, they'd go from the most enviable wing depth in the league to paper thin.

It's an unnecessary risk considering they don't need Leonard. For them, the great thing about the most likely variation is, if Leonard walks, they could still conceivably remain contenders.

[NASpurs]

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[NASpurs]

And the fucking IG account went private. WTF :lol

[Mugen]

Doesn't his sister run that page? I wonder what it all means :lol

[CitizenDwayne]

Hmm this Instagram post is very telling...it all makes sense now

[NASpurs]

Doesn't his sister run that page? I wonder what it all means :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgAML-rU8AAGTBs.jpg:large

[r0drig0lac]

And the fucking IG account went private. WTF :lol
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smishocked.gif

[DPG21920]

She’s just showing support for her brother because idiots are attacking her for Kawhi’s business. It’s really dumb, but she isn’t going to turn on her brother and people shouldn’t be going after her.

[Play Boban]

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Looks like the middle finger and the thumb are making an L. Lakers confirmed.

[ernest787]

RealGM saying the spurs have no interest in Ball but would be interested in a package centered around Ingram/Kuzma/Deng/picks if they don't get better offers.


take it for what you will

[exstatic]

RealGM saying the spurs have no interest in Ball but would be interested in a package centered around Ingram/Kuzma/Deng/picks if they don't get better offers.


take it for what you will

The reality is that they will never take Deng's deal. To get rid of Deng, you really have to include an asset like Ingram, like they did Russell last year to get rid of Mozgov. You can't use Ingram to both shed Deng AND get Kawhi. That's a garbage trade. I'd take those two late lottery Clippers picks before I take out Magic's trash for him.

[ernest787]

The reality is that they will never take Deng's deal. To get rid of Deng, you really have to include an asset like Ingram, like they did Russell last year to get rid of Mozgov. You can't use Ingram to both shed Deng AND get Kawhi. That's a garbage trade. I'd take those two late lottery Clippers picks before I take out Magic's trash for him.

I'm with you, but just sharing what realgm is throwing out there as a report that the Spurs don't want Ball but would entertain a package with Ingram/Kuz

[NASpurs]

The reality is that they will never take Deng's deal. To get rid of Deng, you really have to include an asset like Ingram, like they did Russell last year to get rid of Mozgov. You can't use Ingram to both shed Deng AND get Kawhi. That's a garbage trade. I'd take those two late lottery Clippers picks before I take out Magic's trash for him.

LA Times were saying that the Clippers deal would be one of those two picks but not both... if that's to be believed.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html


The Clippers have more to offer than the Lakers. They would be willing to create a package with forward Tobias Harris and the 12th or 13th pick in this year’s draft, according to a source not authorized to speak publicly.

[SuperCam]

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RIP baseline_bum

[Mugen]

People need to leave his sister alone and stick to harassing Jabari tbh. She's always been pro-Spurs.

[raybies]

LA Times were saying that the Clippers deal would be one of those two picks but not both... if that's to be believed.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html

Trying their very best to add value... that ol son of a gun Jerry West... Doc would’ve gave us a Billy King deal...

[GB20]

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The hand means that he is saying goodbye.

[acoelho1]

The Celtics don't need Leonard, yet at the same time can make the offer with the most stability and best combination of high reward/low risk (Brown, Kings '19 '1st, Rozier, Morris, Yabusele). That's a great position to be in and one the Spurs likely can't turn down.

Celtics are about championships so I think they do need Leonard. Putting him on this team (even without Tatum) makes them a serious threat to the Warriors. Without Kawhi, I don't think they have enough to win it all. Leonard completely changes the dynamic of this team and more importantly, they would have someone who could match up toe-to-toe with Durant. Danny is a pretty smart GM so he knows what Kawhi brings to the table. Therefore, anything less than Tatum, Rozier and Kings 1st at minimum would be a non-starter for me.

Nevertheless, I still think waiting it out and trying to repair the relationship is our best option. I'm not crazy about the Celtics trade even if Tatum is included. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kawhi so I say play it out and hope Pop can fix the relationship. If not, he walks and Spurs have to start all over, which I would be okay since we are not winning any championships with any of the trade proposals flying around.

[Russ]

RealGM saying the spurs have no interest in Ball but would be interested in a package centered around Ingram/Kuzma/Deng/picks if they don't get better offers.


take it for what you will

The Spurs have a tough choice:

If they don't take the Lakers' package they may get less later on.

On the other hand, if the Spurs don't trade Kawhi to LA, the Lakers' "Big Three" dream is over -- even if the Lakers get both LeBron and PG as FAs now, they can't afford Kawhi as a FA next summer. The Big Three has to happen this summer or not at all.

So if the Spurs wait, they can tell Boston and Philly, don't worry about the Lakers, they can't sign Kawhi -- give us your top shelf offer because Kawhi will likely stay with you.

And then if the #2 or #3 draft pick are in play (although unlikely), that might add another time constraint.

So many variables going forward . . .

[spurraider21]

Looks like the middle finger and the thumb are making an L. Lakers confirmed.
the whole thing says KL2

[baseline bum]

The Spurs have a tough choice:

If they don't take the Lakers' package they may get less later on.

On the other hand, if the Spurs don't trade Kawhi to LA, the Lakers' "Big Three" dream is over -- even if the Lakers get both LeBron and PG as FAs now, they can't afford Kawhi as a FA next summer. The Big Three has to happen this summer or not at all.

So if the Spurs wait, they can tell Boston and Philly, don't worry about the Lakers, they can't sign Kawhi -- give us your top shelf offer because Kawhi will likely stay with you.

So many variables going forward . . .

Ingram, Kuzma, and a late first is a garbage offer anyways. I don't see the downside in waiting if Ainge isn't offering Tatum and a good pick.

[Mugen]

I mean if the Spurs trade with LA and take back that garbage, there's not much reason for me to be a Spur fan anymore tbh :lol

[Russ]

Ingram, Kuzma, and a late first is a garbage offer anyways. I don't see the downside in waiting if Ainge isn't offering Tatum and a good pick.

I agree, waiting is likely the best strategy (vs. panicking).

(Also, it would be fun to see Kawhi scramble to claim an injury after he's asserted he's 100% for the benefit of the Lakers.)

[Gino20]

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I take it as supporting Kawhi and a talk to the hand/stop talking type of thing.

[exstatic]

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RIP baseline_bum

The thing is, you still have to have assets, whether it's two teams or three. The only additional asset that a third team brings into the discussion is Ball, and I'm not sure what he's even worth.

Jim Buss really screwed the team over with those terrible contracts.

[Gino20]

Kawhi sister wrote the following on IG:

"U can vent on the fan page. FYI He has been in contact and spoken to Spurs several Times. FYI they don't televise everything that happens on the background. Another fact, the whole family NEVER lived IN SA..."

Who knows if she is telling the truth. This was in response to fans acknowledging that Kawhi is gone and others hoping he stays.

[TD 21]

Celtics are about championships so I think they do need Leonard. Putting him on this team (even without Tatum) makes them a serious threat to the Warriors. Without Kawhi, I don't think they have enough to win it all. Leonard completely changes the dynamic of this team and more importantly, they would have someone who could match up toe-to-toe with Durant. Danny is a pretty smart GM so he knows what Kawhi brings to the table. Therefore, anything less than Tatum, Rozier and Kings 1st at minimum would be a non-starter for me.

Nevertheless, I still think waiting it out and trying to repair the relationship is our best option. I'm not crazy about the Celtics trade even if Tatum is included. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kawhi so I say play it out and hope Pop can fix the relationship. If not, he walks and Spurs have to start all over, which I would be okay since we are not winning any championships with any of the trade proposals flying around.

Maybe they don't next season, but with their youth and depth and the Warriors mileage piling up and lack of depth, they should be able to eventually overtake them. I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense for them to trade for Leonard, but they don't need it in the typical way a team in their position would.

I'd do this trade if I were them because they'd be in good position if he walked, but financially it'll be difficult to make it work long term with their core and it'll be as difficult if not more keeping everyone happy. 4 go to type perimeter players, all in or pre prime, is unprecedented. Someone(s) is probably going to be unhappy.

Spurs can't let Leonard walk for nothing; it would set the franchise back years. Brown, Kings 1st, Rozier, Morris (rerouted for something like Bradley and Jerebko's non guaranteed, who'd be waived), Yabusele, Nader, might not sound great, but it's a chance at 2 foundational pieces (Brown, who already looks to be and the Kings 1st), plus a low end starter (Rozier). That's like skipping the first few years of a typical re-build.

[BillMc]

Again, unless its a deal that blows your mind, force him to come into training camp. Plenty of time to talk to KL alone and "heal" the relationship (which I don't think is actually the problem) before Feb deadline. I mean is Uncle Dennis going to be on the team bus, the team plane, the team shower with KL at all times?

If you can somehow get on the same page, then KL should be motivated to re-earn the SuperMax by making All NBA or DPOY.

Of course, he could take another year off to"nurse his injury" until he's an FA. But then KL would have lost 2 years of his prime, 80 million dollars, and a lot of good will league wide. Even Uncle Dennis would have to admit that perhaps it wasn't the soundest advice.

Also, by then the Lakers would like have eaten their cap space. So cross that destination off the list Denny...

[Russ]

Kawhi sister wrote the following on IG:

"U can vent on the fan page. FYI He has been in contact and spoken to Spurs several Times. FYI they don't televise everything that happens on the background. Another fact, the whole family NEVER lived IN SA..."

Who knows if she is telling the truth. This was in response to fans acknowledging that Kawhi is gone and others hoping he stays.

So the sister's mantra has changed from "he's still a Spur" to "the whole family NEVER lived IN SA." Interesting . . .

[SuperCam]

Maybe they don't next season, but with their youth and depth and the Warriors mileage piling up and lack of depth, they should be able to eventually overtake them. I'm not saying it wouldn't make sense for them to trade for Leonard, but they don't need it in the typical way a team in their position would.

I'd do this trade if I were them because they'd be in good position if he walked, but financially it'll be difficult to make it work long term with their core and it'll be as difficult if not more keeping everyone happy. 4 go to type perimeter players, all in or pre prime, is unprecedented. Someone(s) is probably going to be unhappy.

Spurs can't let Leonard walk for nothing; it would set the franchise back years. Brown, Kings 1st, Rozier, Morris (rerouted for something like Bradley and Jerebko's non guaranteed, who'd be waived), Yabusele, Nader, might not sound great, but it's a chance at 2 foundational pieces (Brown, who already looks to be and the Kings 1st), plus a low end starter (Rozier). That's like skipping the first few years of a typical re-build.


finally, a post that's smarter than the :madrun kiwi the autist sucks send him to orlando if we dont get back top 5 picks and A level prospects fuck him make him sit out a year :madrun unrealistic bullshit

[Gino20]

So the sister's mantra has changed from "he's still a Spur" to "the whole family NEVER lived IN SA." Interesting . . .

Apparently she wrote that Kawhi wants to better his life according to others on Twitter, but no screenshots. If true, that says pretty much everything...

[Thomas82]

Again, unless its a deal that blows your mind, force him to come into training camp. Plenty of time to talk to KL alone and "heal" the relationship (which I don't think is actually the problem) before Feb deadline. I mean is Uncle Dennis going to be on the team bus, the team plane, the team shower with KL at all times?

If you can somehow get on the same page, then KL should be motivated to re-earn the SuperMax by making All NBA or DPOY.

Of course, he could take another year off to"nurse his injury" until he's an FA. But then KL would have lost 2 years of his prime, 80 million dollars, and a lot of good will league wide. Even Uncle Dennis would have to admit that perhaps it wasn't the soundest advice.

Also, by then the Lakers would like have eaten their cap space. So cross that destination off the list Denny...

+1

[marinoman]

Trade kawhi to toronto for dedumpster and valanchunis. It of course wouldn’t and shouldn’t happen but im sure Toronto will try and maybe that rises trade offers

[spurschamps99030507]

+1

[BSfromTX]

Kawhi sister wrote the following on IG:

"U can vent on the fan page. FYI He has been in contact and spoken to Spurs several Times. FYI they don't televise everything that happens on the background. Another fact, the whole family NEVER lived IN SA..."

Who knows if she is telling the truth. This was in response to fans acknowledging that Kawhi is gone and others hoping he stays.

What does this even mean and who is she talking to? Seriously, put your big boy pants on and tell everyone where you stand. Jeez

[baseline bum]

I agree, waiting is likely the best strategy (vs. panicking).

(Also, it would be fun to see Kawhi scramble to claim an injury after he's asserted he's 100% for the benefit of the Lakers.)

He can claim whatever he wants. I wouldn't let him into training camp, practices, or games if he's still on the roster. He doesn't get to audition for his next contract on the Spurs time.

[FkLA]

It's just his logo, not sure why people are over analyzing it. Probably just a simple pro-Kawhi post.

And it's such a beautiful, creative logo too. I was anxiously waiting for the day when official merchandise with his logo came out. All I have is a t-shirt with it which will probably have to be burned now. :cry