Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Mr. Body]

Yeah how dare he get more done in 511 days then last 3 presidents

Of turning us into a shithole country. Thanks, you fucking moron.

[Dingle Barry]

Please don't make all of us wade through your dumbass political fights. Take it to facebook or Twitter.

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Spurs were apparently supposed to sugarcoat and cover for a guy who was giving them the big middle finger to keep him happy. :rolleyes

People acting like Kawhi did no wrong here are oblivious to reality. Dude basically robbed the org of $17M and tanked our season, and now he has tanked his trade value while demanding out.

:cry But but but the Spurs made some snarky comments about him so this is the Spurs fault. :cry

LMA was crucified around here for far less and he handled his business like a man.

Nailed it. I gained so much respect for LMA this year. He straight up balled out and put the team on his back during the most tumultuous season in Spurs history. And his teammates ducking loved him for it. Look no further than all the comments studs like Manu made about him, or the post season team award he received.

And on top of all of that, he as the team leader, never made even a single questionable comment about Kawhi and his shenanigans this year. And he would have been absolutely entitled to do so given the shot stick Kawhitter left him holding.

[YGWHI]

If Kawhi is that sensitive that a former Spur's comments hurt his feelings then why would you want him as the leader of your franchise?
If we're gonna act like Phil didn't hurt LeBron feeling about his group...Players don't want his family and friends to be roasted by coaches, former players or teammates.


R.C Buford said how much they want him on the Spurs. I'm sure Pop has mentioned it to him too. I'm sure guys on the team have told him the same. Thats the only thing that matters. Not what former Spurs say. If he cares about what they say then I wouldn't follow someone like him.
Yep...That was exactly what TP and Manu did. :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Please don't make all of us wade through your dumbass political fights. Take it to facebook or Twitter.

Hear, hear.

[Mr. Body]

Please don't make all of us wade through your dumbass political fights. Take it to facebook or Twitter.

I don't see a mod around here.

[RD2191]

I don't see a mod around here.

Take it to the political forum or you will be banned. This is your first and final warning.

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Not really. Like most fans here I've been critical of these Spurs' moves before this Kawhi's issue. It's not like I say those are bad deals just because they lose Kawhi..

You're a solid poster with solid points...not denying that. But this Kawhi thing has clouded your judgment.

It might help to step back and view it from a different angle.

Source: Someone that used to be on your side.

[RD2191]

You're a solid poster with solid points...not denying that. But this Kawhi thing has clouded your judgment.

It might help to step back and view it from a different angle.

Source: Someone that used to be on your side.

Come back! Come back! :cry:cry

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Bruce Bowen is a Los Angeles Clippers announcer :lol he's not even connected to the spurs anymore hermano

And a native Californian like Kawhi. His words, along with DRob, Manu, Tony, Pop ought to carry some fucking weight with Spurfan.

And it ought to tell you when that assemblage of Spurs says something, there's a gotdamn problem. And it should tell you they're not happy with how he's treating their team. And their coach.

[tholdren]

Of turning us into a shithole country. Thanks, you fucking moron.

List his exact errors or mismanagement, otherwise you look like a 18 year old rallying at a college campus.

[ace3g]

Did anyone see that Aldridge interview on KSAT - he was at some race track wearing full race suit - at the end of the interview he was asked if he had any comments for any of his current teammates. He responded "Nope" with a smirk.

Still looking for video:

https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/50c44d48519ed1b48f4ad5853f115573/5BB667BB/t51.2885-15/e35/34707084_834033583459317_7636359527671005184_n.jpg

[CitizenDwayne]

Have some fucking pride. He and his incompetent group have spent the past year trying to assassinate the character of the best organization in sports, yet everyone needs to be careful with what they say about him. Fuck off.

My thoughts exactly. Some things are more important than wins. Spurs getting buttfucked by Kawhi then welcoming him back with open arms would just be sad

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[MoSpur02]

If we're gonna act like Phil didn't hurt LeBron feeling about his group...Players don't want his family and friends to be roasted by coaches, former players or teammates.


Yep...That was exactly what TP and Manu did. :lol

Phil called LeBron's group a posse or something like that, which is was stupid. Plus Phil has never had any toes to LeBron.

Manu and Parker aren't the only ones on the team.

[RD2191]

1010346773322268677

:lol

:lol

[BillMc]

Bruce Bowen works for the Clippers now, maybe he's sabotaging West.

Yep.

Frankly, this worse than anything Parker said. Fortunately. Bruce is a Clipper employee now. Still, one if KL and the groupies make that distinction.

[BillMc]

In other news hes carrying the ball but most likely not called
:lol

[spurs1990]

Holding campaign rallies every month isn't getting shit done. :lol

He's got the great One Kevin McHale attending. That's bigtime say what you will.

[Mr. Body]

He's got the great One Kevin McHale attending. That's bigtime say what you will.

The genius who tried to get Joe Smith under the table. :lol

[Ron Swanson]

The genius who tried to get Joe Smith under the table. :lol

Holy shit. I forgot about that. :lol

[BSfromTX]

Of turning us into a shithole country. Thanks, you fucking moron.

Presidents and congressmen have been doing that the las 100 years. Trumps just another good soldier

[ducks]

We survived Bush’s Clinton and the former president we can survive trumps 8 years then 8 years of jr

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

We survived Bush’s Clinton and the former president we can survive trumps 8 years then 8 years of jr

probably right

[tholdren]

The genius who tried to get Joe Smith under the table. :lol

Go ahead and elaborate on the failures of the current president.... i can wait

[duncan2k5]

I fail to see what Kawhi did wrong... He was legit injured... NO player in NBA history would react well to being told they're not injured when they are... And called out publicly... Thus causing fans to make assumptions about a family member that was there for them during the death of their father... Kawhi has done nothing but carry this trash ass cast on his back for years, and they have the gall to call him out?? GTFOH

[Mr. Body]

Go ahead and elaborate on the failures of the current president.... i can wait

Well, he's been great at lining his own pockets with our money, giving all our money to the ultra-rich, destroying the State department, sucking Kim Jong Un's tiny dick while working to destroy our alliances, undermining our democracy by kowtowing to whatever the hell Putin wants from him, dogwhistling racists, creating stupid-ass trade wars that will destroy the heartland of America especially farmers and manufacturing, coarsening the fabric of this country, fucking porn stars without jimmy hats behind his wife's back and paying her off for it, lying constantly, and looking to destroy the backbone of education in this country. Other than that, he's been a walking embarrassment and a deeply shameful, narcissistic, malevolent clown who is diminishing the United States by the day.

[Mr. Body]

I fail to see what Kawhi did wrong... He was legit injured... NO player in NBA history would react well to being told they're not injured when they are... And called out publicly... Thus causing fans to make assumptions about a family member that was there for them during the death of their father... Kawhi has done nothing but carry this trash ass cast on his back for years, and they have the gall to call him out?? GTFOH

He wasn't legitimately injured. Not that entire time. Stop.

[lmbebo]

I fail to see what Kawhi did wrong... He was legit injured... NO player in NBA history would react well to being told they're not injured when they are... And called out publicly... Thus causing fans to make assumptions about a family member that was there for them during the death of their father... Kawhi has done nothing but carry this trash ass cast on his back for years, and they have the gall to call him out?? GTFOH


Look up malingering...

[baseline bum]

I fail to see what Kawhi did wrong... He was legit injured... NO player in NBA history would react well to being told they're not injured when they are... And called out publicly... Thus causing fans to make assumptions about a family member that was there for them during the death of their father... Kawhi has done nothing but carry this trash ass cast on his back for years, and they have the gall to call him out?? GTFOH

Going AWOL from the team was wrong. Being a chickenshit and not even going to the games any more showed he had checked out on the team. Blaming the team when he had been using his own doctors since August was wrong. LOL his doctors did such a great job getting him ready to play this season. Fuck him and his piece of shit uncle.

[ducks]

Trump never had an intern give him a blow job as president
Sure trump might have slepted around years ago. Lots of people did.
Clinton went into the president dead broke now their worth millions. They lined their pockets as president.
Trump actually is worth less now then before he was president

[spurs10]

Well, he's been great at lining his own pockets with our money, giving all our money to the ultra-rich, destroying the State department, sucking Kim Jong Un's tiny dick while working to destroy our alliances, undermining our democracy by kowtowing to whatever the hell Putin wants from him, dogwhistling racists, creating stupid-ass trade wars that will destroy the heartland of America especially farmers and manufacturing, coarsening the fabric of this country, fucking porn stars without jimmy hats behind his wife's back and paying her off for it, lying constantly, and looking to destroy the backbone of education in this country. Other than that, he's been a walking embarrassment and a deeply shameful, narcissistic, malevolent clown who is diminishing the United States by the day. :toast

[Mr. Body]

Trump never had an intern give him a blow job as president
Sure trump might have slepted around years ago. Lots of people did.
Clinton went into the president dead broke now their worth millions. They lined their pockets as president.
Trump actually is worth less now then before he was president

Trump is dead-ass broke. No American bank has given him a loan in years because he always defaults on them. He's bankrupted more companies than you or I could possibly name. He's so broke he wound up having to go to murderous, thuggish Russian oligarchs to fund his ventures and he's so neck deep with them he doesn't know how to get out. He's let his son-in-law sell national secrets because he, Jared, is cut from the same cloth, completely underwater on the 666 Park Ave. deal and has already been caught trying to sell to the UAE, Saudis, Russians, and others. They are selling us out and brain damaged simpletons like you applaud the fat, gross bastard. Whatever, bro. You do you.

[duncan2k5]

Going AWOL from the team was wrong. Being a chickenshit and not even going to the games any more showed he had checked out on the team. Blaming the team when he had been using his own doctors since August was wrong. LOL his doctors did such a great job getting him ready to play this season. Fuck him and his piece of shit uncle.

He got his doctors because spurs misdiagnosed his thigh injury from years before...

He didn't go AWOL... He was in NY with spurs doctors, and multiple ppl have said he was talking to them, including Pop...

Kawhi has earned the right to get the benefit of the doubt, but the FO let their Manu and Parker bias cloud their judgement and called out a top 3 player publicly for being legit injured... U think he was faking playing like trash in those 9 games?? Ppl were calling for him to be shut back down... Now when he did, u say he is faking?? Smfh

[ducks]

Trump is trying to get North Korea nuke free
He ripped his ass with tweets little rocket man and got the nukes being destroyed
Trade will be fair when trump is done with China and other countries. Biggest cheese factory in Canada said trump has a point.

[Kori Ellis]

Is Trump part of Kawhi's group? If not, why is he a hot topic in this thread?

[Play Boban]

Is Trump part of Kawhi's group? If not, why is he a hot topic in this thread?
:wow

[daslicer]

Is Trump part of Kawhi's group? If not, why is he a hot topic in this thread?

There are some crazy posters that believe Kawhi is actually a Trump supporter and that's what caused the divide between him and Pop.

[ducks]

Trump would give Leonard better advise making more money then his uncle. He is worth billions more.

[Play Boban]

Fake news :lol



https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-leonard-refuse-play-anti-trump-comments/

[Kori Ellis]

There are some crazy posters that believe Kawhi is actually a Trump supporter and that's what caused the divide between him and Pop.

:lol

[baseline bum]

He got his doctors because spurs misdiagnosed his thigh injury from years before...

He didn't go AWOL... He was in NY with spurs doctors, and multiple ppl have said he was talking to them, including Pop...

Kawhi has earned the right to get the benefit of the doubt, but the FO let their Manu and Parker bias cloud their judgement and called out a top 3 player publicly for being legit injured... U think he was faking playing like trash in those 9 games?? Ppl were calling for him to be shut back down... Now when he did, u say he is faking?? Smfh

He abandoned the fucking team. LOL buying Uncle Dennis' bullshit when Kawhi left NYC right after the Spurs were eliminated. He was fine to play if he hadn't quit on the team. What a piece of shit holding out for a season in the NBA when contracts are guaranteed.

[Play Boban]

If I have to continue to see 2k5 defend Kawhitter much longer I don’t know what I can gonna do!!!

[ducks]

One poster claimed ownership warned pop to cool it on the politically talk or be fined 7 figures

[ducks]

I wonder if it was true Leonard would have sat on the bench if pop wife did not die

[daslicer]

One poster claimed ownership warned pop to cool it on the politically talk or be fined 7 figures

Sounds like a lie to me. Spurs are already getting slammed with bad publicity with the Kawhi situation but if they fined Pop for his Trump rants that would be the end of the Spurs reputation wise.

[ducks]

I doubt the spurs would announce they fined pop
His coaching has went south the last 2 years or more
Becky could coach this team to a better record and further in playoffs

[daslicer]

I doubt the spurs would announce they fined pop

Trust me it would get leaked out if they did fine him behind close doors. So I'm calling bs on that rumor.

[ducks]

Spurs are good at not leaking unlike the whitehouse for decades

[Mr. Body]

Sounds like a lie to me. Spurs are already getting slammed with bad publicity with the Kawhi situation but if they fined Pop for his Trump rants that would be the end of the Spurs reputation wise.

I see as much grief given to Kawhi, if not more. Of course ESPN is driving the Spurs hatred, but I'm not sure how many people are buying it.

[daslicer]

I see as much grief given to Kawhi, if not more. Of course ESPN is driving the Spurs hatred, but I'm not sure how many people are buying it.

I live in Charlotte NC and most people I have talked to don't buy into the bs but it's hard for me to gauge nationally how people are viewing this situation. Judging by some of the other message boards it's seems Kawhi wins the majority by a slight edge. Granted there are a lot of fans who are whores and are hoping Kawhi ends up on their team ala celtics/lakers/sixer fans so they buy into ESPN's narrative about the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

I live in Charlotte NC and most people I have talked to don't buy into the bs but it's hard for me to gauge nationally how people are viewing this situation. Judging by some of the other message boards it's seems Kawhi wins the majority by a slight edge. Granted there are a lot of fans who are whores and are hoping Kawhi ends up on their team ala celtics/lakers/sixer fans so they buy into ESPN's narrative about the Spurs.

I see grief toward the Spurs on message boards from Lakers fanbois, reddit and so on. Everyone else is slagging on Kawhi.

[duncan2k5]

He abandoned the fucking team. LOL buying Uncle Dennis' bullshit when Kawhi left NYC right after the Spurs were eliminated. He was fine to play if he hadn't quit on the team. What a piece of shit holding out for a season in the NBA when contracts are guaranteed.

He was fine to play?? COMPLETE speculation! Especially since all evidence pointed to him having an actual issue... Kawhi if ur seeing this, plz don't listen to these idiots... Come back plz

[Mr. Body]

He was fine to play?? COMPLETE speculation! Especially since all evidence pointed to him having an actual issue... Kawhi if ur seeing this, plz don't listen to these idiots... Come back plz

There's no way he was hurt all that time. No way.

[Ice009]

I wonder if it was true Leonard would have sat on the bench if pop wife did not die

What do you mean by that? Why would he only chose to sit on the bench if Pop's wife didn't die?

[ducks]

Why would the spurs clear their star player for the next 10 years if he was hurt. They shut Duncan down during playoffs thinking long term for him.

[picnroll]

He was fine to play?? COMPLETE speculation! Especially since all evidence pointed to him having an actual issue... Kawhi if ur seeing this, plz don't listen to these idiots... Come back plz
What evidence? Please enlighten us with an actual medical report with tests and images.

[baseline bum]

He was fine to play?? COMPLETE speculation! Especially since all evidence pointed to him having an actual issue... Kawhi if ur seeing this, plz don't listen to these idiots... Come back plz

No that's taking the word of the team doctors instead of Uncle Dennis. All evidence pointed to Leonard having already left the team, especially the part about not going to any playoff games because he had to train in NYC and then heading home the second the Spurs were eliminated. Kawhi if you're seeing this, I hope you blow out your fucking knee next season and then you'll have a real reason to sit.

[ducks]

What do you mean by that? Why would he only chose to sit on the bench if Pop's wife didn't die?

Rumor was he was going to sit on bench with pop in playoffs if pop coached but then his wife died and pop never coached

[baseline bum]

Why would the spurs clear their star player for the next 10 years if he was hurt. They shut Duncan down during playoffs thinking long term for him.

LOL at anyone who thinks the team that threw away a chance to defend a title out of caution for their star player (and over his loud objections) would rush their star player back for regular season games if he was hurt. Kawhi's doctors did fuck all to get him "healthy" this season. LOL now he's 100% when he can go to LA.

[Play Boban]

Rumor was he was going to sit on bench with pop in playoffs if pop coached but then his wife died and pop never coached
Where was he in games 1and 2 the tbh?

[duncan2k5]

So we are just going to ignore the interview when Pop said Kawhi would be more helpful to the team rehabbing instead of sitting on the bench? This was well before the media started making an issue out of it

[ducks]

So we are just going to ignore the interview when Pop said Kawhi would be more helpful to the team rehabbing instead of sitting on the bench? This was well before the media started making an issue out of it

I think he should have been on the bench last 10 games and playoffs

[Marcus Bryant]

He abandoned the fucking team. LOL buying Uncle Dennis' bullshit when Kawhi left NYC right after the Spurs were eliminated. He was fine to play if he hadn't quit on the team. What a piece of shit holding out for a season in the NBA when contracts are guaranteed.

Yes. Also while his uncle has an agenda the idea that Leonard is somehow oblivious to what is going on stretches credulity.

Think about it, if there was some kind of broken promise on the part of the Spurs it would've been stated or leaked by now.

The trade demand confirmed what's been really going on. NBA players benefit from the large portion of long term contracts that are guaranteed. In exchange though the unwritten rule is that you don't hold out, when you can play you play, especially for a playoff team.

There's a lot of questions any team looking at making a nine figure commitment to Leonard is going to want to know about what went down. I think there's a lot more damage to Leonard's reputation than his group realizes. You have to otherwise believe that the Spurs weren't taking care of their franchise player's health.

Leonard's uncle and agent don't represent any other players. They have limited experience though think they are playing hardball. In the end Leonard will pay. It's not hard to see him getting a large part of the supermax in a scenario where all this shit didn't happen.

He quit on a playoff team as the best player on the roster. There's no other way to describe it.

I've seen some crappy players play for the Spurs over the years but I don't recall one ever doing something like that.

Mofo is dead to me, tbh.

[duncan2k5]

Yes. Also while his uncle has an agenda the idea that Leonard is somehow oblivious to what is going on stretches credulity.

Think about it, if there was some kind of broken promise on the part of the Spurs it would've been stated or leaked by now.

The trade demand confirmed what's been really going on. NBA players benefit from the large portion of long term contracts that are guaranteed. In exchange though the unwritten rule is that you don't hold out, when you can play you play, especially for a playoff team.

There's a lot of questions any team looking at making a nine figure commitment to Leonard is going to want to know about what went down. I think there's a lot more damage to Leonard's reputation than his group realizes. You have to otherwise believe that the Spurs weren't taking care of their franchise player's health.

Leonard's uncle and agent don't represent any other players. They have limited experience though think they are playing hardball. In the end Leonard will pay. It's not hard to see him getting a large part of the supermax in a scenario where all this shit didn't happen.

He quit on a playoff team as the best player on the roster. There's no other way to describe it.

I've seen some crappy players play for the Spurs over the years but I don't recall one ever doing something like that.

Mofo is dead to me, tbh.

If Kawhi quit, every spurs star quit... Because they ALL have been injured at critical times

[apalisoc_9]

Leonard was Healthy tbh.

But the organization needs a mindset overhaul. The idea that they're above the current trend of superstars means no one will every play here.

[spursistan]

Yes. Also while his uncle has an agenda the idea that Leonard is somehow oblivious to what is going on stretches credulity.

Think about it, if there was some kind of broken promise on the part of the Spurs it would've been stated or leaked by now.

The trade demand confirmed what's been really going on. NBA players benefit from the large portion of long term contracts that are guaranteed. In exchange though the unwritten rule is that you don't hold out, when you can play you play, especially for a playoff team.

There's a lot of questions any team looking at making a nine figure commitment to Leonard is going to want to know about what went down. I think there's a lot more damage to Leonard's reputation than his group realizes. You have to otherwise believe that the Spurs weren't taking care of their franchise player's health.

Leonard's uncle and agent don't represent any other players. They have limited experience though think they are playing hardball. In the end Leonard will pay. It's not hard to see him getting a large part of the supermax in a scenario where all this shit didn't happen.

He quit on a playoff team as the best player on the roster. There's no other way to describe it.

I've seen some crappy players play for the Spurs over the years but I don't recall one ever doing something like that.

Mofo is dead to me, tbh.


Keep truth bombing these gullible fanboys, bro :wow..

[daslicer]

Yes. Also while his uncle has an agenda the idea that Leonard is somehow oblivious to what is going on stretches credulity.

Think about it, if there was some kind of broken promise on the part of the Spurs it would've been stated or leaked by now.

The trade demand confirmed what's been really going on. NBA players benefit from the large portion of long term contracts that are guaranteed. In exchange though the unwritten rule is that you don't hold out, when you can play you play, especially for a playoff team.

There's a lot of questions any team looking at making a nine figure commitment to Leonard is going to want to know about what went down. I think there's a lot more damage to Leonard's reputation than his group realizes. You have to otherwise believe that the Spurs weren't taking care of their franchise player's health.

Leonard's uncle and agent don't represent any other players. They have limited experience though think they are playing hardball. In the end Leonard will pay. It's not hard to see him getting a large part of the supermax in a scenario where all this shit didn't happen.

He quit on a playoff team as the best player on the roster. There's no other way to describe it.

I've seen some crappy players play for the Spurs over the years but I don't recall one ever doing something like that.

Mofo is dead to me, tbh.

It's interesting what a bad precedent this has set for the rest of the league. I didn't realize how bad of a precedent has been set until I listened to a youtube basketball blogger that I respect talk about it today. The youtube blogger stated that because of what Kawhi did with the bs injury hold out and what happened with Kyrie with his threats to sit out a season if he wasn't traded that these situations will result in another lockout or strike in the future. He stated the problem is now a bunch of other players will attempt the same thing that if they hate where there playing they won't honor their contract and try to force their team to trade them by playing the bs injury hold out card. The owners will try to alter the CBA to prevent this type of shit in the future from happening again. I don't know what it will be but it will be controversial.

[daslicer]

If Kawhi quit, every spurs star quit... Because they ALL have been injured at critical times

:lol Key difference was their injuries were legit and Kawhi's wasn't.

[baseline bum]

If Kawhi quit, every spurs star quit... Because they ALL have been injured at critical times

And then all of a sudden been 100% healthy when trying to go to LA.

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi was blindsided by Pop.

The Spurs Dont Deserve Superstars. They dont teat superstars like Superstars. They treat them like any other player. On your way to a 5th 30 point game? Let me bench you the whole 4th.

This no longer works. I'm glad Kawhi Sat out. PATFO ego is too huge.

[Marcus Bryant]

That's fucking stupid.

[Mr. Body]

Kawhi was blindsided by Pop.

The Spurs Dont Deserve Superstars. They dont teat superstars like Superstars. They treat them like any other player. On your way to a 5th 30 point game? Let me bench you the whole 4th.

This no longer works. I'm glad Kawhi Sat out. PATFO ego is too huge.

Pop: You're healthy. Great! A ton of doctors say you can play now!

Kawhi: No, I have an ouchie. And now you've blindsided me! *cries impassively*

[daslicer]

Pop: You're healthy. Great! A ton of doctors say you can play now!

Kawhi: No, I have an ouchie. And now you've blindsided me! *cries impassively*

Fanboys will be fanboys until the end. Kawhi is their god and he can do no wrong.

[Marcus Bryant]

Unkle Dennnis Coach Pops won't let me skore!!

[Marcus Bryant]

Next dumbass defense of the quitter will be that Pop doesn't like young African-Americans, and that he's a fundamentalist drill sergeant.

[daslicer]

Next dumbass defense of the quitter will be that Pop doesn't like young African-Americans, and that he's a fundamentalist drill sergeant.

:lmao

[daslicer]

Unkle Dennnis Coach Pops won't let me skore!!

This is who Uncle Dennis really is:

WayXlru5gJk

[Thomas82]

It's interesting what a bad precedent this has set for the rest of the league. I didn't realize how bad of a precedent has been set until I listened to a youtube basketball blogger that I respect talk about it today. The youtube blogger stated that because of what Kawhi did with the bs injury hold out and what happened with Kyrie with his threats to sit out a season if he wasn't traded that these situations will result in another lockout or strike in the future. He stated the problem is now a bunch of other players will attempt the same thing that if they hate where there playing they won't honor their contract and try to force their team to trade them by playing the bs injury hold out card. The owners will try to alter the CBA to prevent this type of shit in the future from happening again. I don't know what it will be but it will be controversial.

Good insight......didn't think of that.

[apalisoc_9]

The reality is that PATFO is out of touch with todays social media players.

The arrogant nature of spursfans that think they can treat superstars like they are role players is why no one is ever going to play here.

Either the spurs learn how to treat superstsrs.

Im glad kawhi sat out. PATFO needs to realize they're dealing with a modern superstar. Either you give him special treatkent or welcome the lottery for the next ten years.

[Mr. Body]

The reality is that PATFO is out of touch with todays social media players.

The arrogant nature of spursfans that think they can treat superstars like they are role players is why no one is ever going to play here.

Either the spurs learn how to treat superstsrs.

Im glad kawhi sat out. PATFO needs to realize they're dealing with a modern superstar. Either you give him special treatkent or welcome the lottery for the next ten years.

Kawhi is a huge social media star. Huge.

[daslicer]

The reality is that PATFO is out of touch with todays social media players.

The arrogant nature of spursfans that think they can treat superstars like they are role players is why no one is ever going to play here.

Either the spurs learn how to treat superstsrs.

Im glad kawhi sat out. PATFO needs to realize they're dealing with a modern superstar. Either you give him special treatkent or welcome the lottery for the next ten years.

The reality is you want Kawhi's dick in your mouth and for him to cum all over your face.

[apalisoc_9]

Its known among the NBA players and many articles have beem written by reputable writers about the Spurs overplaying their hand in the leonard situation and them being antiquated in dealing with Superstars.

This is Why Golden State is Miles ahead of everyone. They treat their star players like a treasure.

Kerr has really fucked Pop. He understands the modern day star. He understands they want stats, recognition etc. Something Pop will purposly try to destroy.

San Antonio is no place for a Star Player.

[raybies]

It's interesting what a bad precedent this has set for the rest of the league. I didn't realize how bad of a precedent has been set until I listened to a youtube basketball blogger that I respect talk about it today. The youtube blogger stated that because of what Kawhi did with the bs injury hold out and what happened with Kyrie with his threats to sit out a season if he wasn't traded that these situations will result in another lockout or strike in the future. He stated the problem is now a bunch of other players will attempt the same thing that if they hate where there playing they won't honor their contract and try to force their team to trade them by playing the bs injury hold out card. The owners will try to alter the CBA to prevent this type of shit in the future from happening again. I don't know what it will be but it will be controversial.
NBA needs to let each team have one franchise tag. Players have too much power man. Ish is getting abused.

[apalisoc_9]

NBA needs to let each team have one franchise tag. Players have too much power man. Ish is getting abused.

Its cause 80% of fans watch players now. Not teams.

Thats the truth. Once Leonard leaves, the spurs will be irrelevant.

[vander]

iirc the chronic injury that Kawhi WASN'T FAKING is one that doesn't ever completely go away, and can flare up again at any time, right? And he couldn't play a full season even before the tendonopathy.

[daslicer]

NBA needs to let each team have one franchise tag. Players have too much power man. Ish is getting abused.

I could see them fighting to end guaranteed contracts after this ordeal or doing some other radical change. Back in the day is much easier to keep stars in smaller markets. You had guys like Miller,Malone, all pretty much play their whole entire career in one market. As long as the star player got paid they would stay in one place. Now this era it's nearly impossible to keep your superstar even if you offer them the most money. They will more than likely leave after their second contract once they are not a restricted FA unless you somehow manage to win a title. The current NBA is a bad investment if your are an owner who is not in a top 10 market and if you have a desire to win.

Personally if I was a billionaire I would never want to own an NBA team. Your basically at the mercy of the player and have little to no control of the situation. I remember hearing the story of when Lebron left Miami that Riley was unable to reach him the summer of '14 and could only talk to his people. Also if you attack the player you will always be painted as the bad guy even if the player was in the wrong. I just don't know why anybody would want to put up with that shit long term. Personally I would just be a fan like the old ugly billionaire guy whose always at staple center and attends all the playoff games.

[moisaenz]

I don't know if someone has said it before but apalisoc=Uncle Dennis.

[daslicer]

I don't know if someone has said it before but apalisoc=Uncle Dennis.

He's just a super troll. Just like any troll he will take the side of whatever topic or issue that pisses off people. He didn't even originally like Kawhi. They are old threads where he proposed trading Kawhi for Bradly Beal from 4-5 years ago. He's now pro-Kawhi because it's great trolling material.

[apalisoc_9]

He's just a super troll. Just like any troll he will take the side of whatever topic or issue that pisses off people. He didn't even originally like Kawhi. They are old threads where he proposed trading Kawhi for Bradly Beal from 4-5 years ago. He's now pro-Kawhi because it's great trolling material.

I never proposed a deal for kawhi. Stop it :lol

That was a response thread from another thread.

Ive called Kawhi Superstar since Day 1.

[daslicer]

I never proposed a deal for kawhi. Stop it :lol

That was a response thread from another thread.

Ive called Kawhi Superstar since Day 1.

:lol No your lying they are old threads that showed what I said. People have bumped them every now then to show that your full of shit. Dude you are a troll like I said and nothing more.

[apalisoc_9]

Also Dennis Robertson is only doing whats best for his nephew. Its a family thing.

If I had a newphew, I would hate for him to be the reason why they win 62 but get zero credit for it. San Antonio doesnt deserve a Superstar so long as Pop is in the helm.

[apalisoc_9]

:lol No your lying they are old threads that showed what I said. People have bumped them every now then to show that your full of shit. Dude you are a troll like I said and nothing more.

Theres threads befoee that. That was a sarcastic thread. Ive always believed in Kawhi since day 1.

[daslicer]

Theres threads befoee that. That was a sarcastic thread. Ive always believed in Kawhi since day 1.

No you didn't don't try to backtrack now. Like I said before your just a troll that is spamming like crazy to get an overreaction. You are just too damn predictable that it's actually laughable now.

[Dingle Barry]

It's interesting what a bad precedent this has set for the rest of the league. I didn't realize how bad of a precedent has been set until I listened to a youtube basketball blogger that I respect talk about it today. The youtube blogger stated that because of what Kawhi did with the bs injury hold out and what happened with Kyrie with his threats to sit out a season if he wasn't traded that these situations will result in another lockout or strike in the future. He stated the problem is now a bunch of other players will attempt the same thing that if they hate where there playing they won't honor their contract and try to force their team to trade them by playing the bs injury hold out card. The owners will try to alter the CBA to prevent this type of shit in the future from happening again. I don't know what it will be but it will be controversial.

Actually the players' contracts already mandate that they'll play if cleared by the team physician. There's also a league injury review board to settle these matters. Kawhi breached his contract last season. The Spurs were as cool about it as you could expect. That the Spurs are also being shit on by Uncle Dumbass and the Asswipe Crew is a total joke.

[daslicer]

Actually the players' contracts already mandate that they'll play if cleared by the team physician. There's also a league injury review board to settle these matters. Kawhi breached his contract last season. The Spurs were as cool about it as you could expect.

It's interesting the Spurs didn't try to take him to court for his bs granted I'm sure they didn't want to deal with the media scrutiny.

[Dingle Barry]

Also Dennis Robertson is only doing whats best for his nephew. Its a family thing.

If I had a newphew, I would hate for him to be the reason why they win 62 but get zero credit for it. San Antonio doesnt deserve a Superstar so long as Pop is in the helm.

God, you truly must be the biggest shit poster on the internet.

[Dingle Barry]

It's interesting the Spurs didn't try to take him to court for his bs granted I'm sure they didn't want to deal with the media scrutiny.

They've done nothing but try to placate Kawhi. Obviously suing him would have nuked the relationship. But it's still on the table. The PR would be terrible though.

[daslicer]

They've done nothing but try to placate Kawhi. Obviously suing him would have nuked the relationship. But it's still on the table.

I would have gone for the nuclear option since I figured several months ago the relationship was not repairable but then again I"m also a vindictive person. When somebody crosses me I go all out for revenge.

[apalisoc_9]

The Spurs cant sue Leonard because they misdiagnosed him.

He has been healthy sinxe feb though but suing your superstar because he was angry for misdiagnosing his injury is making yourself a villain in the eyes of all nba players.

They cant sue Leonard. Its suicide.

[Dingle Barry]

He's just a super troll. Just like any troll he will take the side of whatever topic or issue that pisses off people. He didn't even originally like Kawhi. They are old threads where he proposed trading Kawhi for Bradly Beal from 4-5 years ago. He's now pro-Kawhi because it's great trolling material.

Yeah, the Uncle Dumbass avatar really leaves no doubt.

[apalisoc_9]

The hate against dennis is stupid.

He's a father figure that wants the best for his nephew.

Its just a game and hes just a guy doing everything he can for family.

Hard to hate on that.

[daslicer]

Yeah, the Uncle Dumbass avatar really leaves no doubt.

Yup it's very obvious he's desperate to troll people.

[Dingle Barry]

The hate against dennis is stupid.

He's a father figure that wants the best for his nephew.

Its just a game and hes just a guy doing everything he can for family.

Hard to hate on that.

I don't really doubt he wants the best for Kawhi, although I think there's a lot of what's best for Dennis at play as well.

The thing that's easy to hate is that he's an amateur and a moron who's actually harming his nephew financially and reputationally.

[spurs1990]

Leonard flamed out in both 2015 and 2016. There was no carrying done by him in those playoff meltdowns vs clippers and OKC. He was absolutely great in the 2016-2017 season including and up to Memphis in the first round.

Then the Spurs went into Houston in game six without Leonard and proceeded to demolish Harden by 40 points on the back of Lamarcus Aldridge, the same player who played through a freakin heart condition just a month earlier. (Not to mention it was the Great Manu Ginobili who led the close out in game five).

Leonard is(was?) a great player but inspecting his playoff performances closely in 2015 and 2016 reveals huge lack of difference making capability. He was not carrying anyone in either one of those.

PS I’m not outright bashing Leonard out of spite or anything. it’s just business, he wants to play in LA no problem; we Spurs fans will just revisit what he really did here when he was given the keys, and it wasn’t much when the chips were down (15-17).

[Dingle Barry]

Leonard flamed out in both 2015 and 2016. There was no carrying done by him in those playoff meltdowns vs clippers and OKC. He was absolutely great in the 2016-2017 season including and up to Memphis in the first round.

Then the Spurs went into Houston in game six without Leonard and proceeded to demolish Harden by 40 points on the back of Lamarcus Aldridge, the same player who played through a freakin heart condition just a month earlier. (Not to mention it was the Great Manu Ginobili who led the close out in game five).

Leonard is(was?) a great player but inspecting his playoff performances closely in 2015 and 2016 reveals huge lack of difference making capability. He was not carrying anyone in either one of those.

PS I’m not outright bashing Leonard out of spite or anything. it’s just business, he wants to play in LA no problem; we Spurs fans will just revisit what he really did here when he was given the keys, and it wasn’t much when the chips were down (15-17).

Very true. Got sonned by Matt fucking Barnes.

[MoSpur02]

The hate against dennis is stupid.

He's a father figure that wants the best for his nephew.

Its just a game and hes just a guy doing everything he can for family.

Hard to hate on that.

It's about money. That's it. They're butt hurt because he hasn't been offered the $219 million they feel he deserves. They are doing everything they can to make it look like it's the Spurs fault as to why he wants to leave.

The Spurs don't want to offer that kind of money to someone who sat out basically a whole season due to a. "injury" and someone who created all this drama.

Don't be naive. It's not about Superstar treatment and the Spurs lack of knowledge on how to deal with one.

[Spur|n|Austin]

No they don’t. La has cap space. They can get Kawhi and send nothing back technically

But at the end of the day, Spurs still say “no”.

[gambit1990]

:lol

kawhi
2015 POs: 19.9 PER, .571 TS%
2016 POs: 28.6 PER, .597 TS%

tony
2015 POs: 6.5 PER, .386 TS%
2016 POs: 14.3 PER, .499 TS%

[jehawk81]

The reality is that PATFO is out of touch with todays social media players.

The arrogant nature of spursfans that think they can treat superstars like they are role players is why no one is ever going to play here.

Either the spurs learn how to treat superstsrs.

Im glad kawhi sat out. PATFO needs to realize they're dealing with a modern superstar. Either you give him special treatkent or welcome the lottery for the next ten years.

So you're saying "modern superstars" are mute cancerous introverted kawhitters? C'mon son, i also used to love me some Kawhi, but him going AWOL this season & the way he & his team have gone about this ordeal made me say fuck all of them! Yeah, sometimes in life you put up with shit you usually wouldn't put up with for the betterment of the team, but there comes a time when you've got to realize enough is enough - otherwise you risk becoming someone's doormat & even lose you're dignity. Why don't you grow a spine & have some dignity instead of being Kawhi's used crusty sock? Get up off your knees & be a man for once in your life... geeeezzzzz you're an embarrassment

[Hoops Czar]

:lol

kawhi
2015 POs: 19.9 PER, .571 TS%
2016 POs: 28.6 PER, .597 TS%

tony
2015 POs: 6.5 PER, .386 TS%
2016 POs: 14.3 PER, .499 TS%

kawhi
2015 POs: 19.9 PER, .571 TS%
2016 POs: 28.6 PER, .597 TS%

tony
2008 POs: 19.9 PER, .549 TS%
2009 POs: 29.3 PER, .588 TS%

Comparing a 25-26 year old Kawhi Leonard who doesn't do national team duties to a 32-33 year old Tony Parker with tons of mileage. :lol Quite posting you dumb shit.

[gambit1990]

kawhi
2015 POs: 19.9 PER, .571 TS%
2016 POs: 28.6 PER, .597 TS%

tony
2008 POs: 19.9 PER, .549 TS%
2009 POs: 29.3 PER, .588 TS%

Comparing a 25-26 year old Kawhi Leonard who doesn't do national team to a 32-33 year old Tony Parker with tons of mileage. :lol Quite posting you dumb shit.
did tony win back to back defensive player of the year awards back then too?

[Budkin]

Very true. Got sonned by Matt fucking Barnes.

And Andre Roberson the next year.

[Hoops Czar]

did tony win back to back defensive player of the year awards back then too?

It's not a pgs award to win. In the history of the award, Gary Payton and Sydney Moncrief ( hybrid guard) are the only pgs to win DPOY. You're trying too hard.

[Slippy]

In light of Kawhis injury history & extended layoff this season that still allowed him to get paid while sitting. Im amazed how many laker opinions state he will leave as an FA. Wtf are they smoking. No seriously, dont think they looking from Kawhi's pov at all.

80mill aiside, job security is what uncle wants & probably why he wants kawhi out of the spurs. No supermax.

Alllowing kawhi to become a FA is a huge risk on the guy being 100% healthy next season. This after all the precautions he took this season . Taking the FA route aint going to happen folks. Who in their right mind is going to gamble on their nephews future. Uncle wants whats best for Kawhi

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

did tony win back to back defensive player of the year awards back then too?

He didn't demand $219 mil either.

[spurschamps99030507]

"ESPN Los Angeles: “From what I am being told…he’s made it very, very clear that he’s looking to go to Los Angeles to play for the Lakers and he does not care about the $219 million super max he could sign.” – stephena (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22932)smith on Kawhi Leonard"

They dont want to negotiate a new contract with Jordan brand because they dont offer him enough money but he rejects a super contract and loses 80 mill ???, coherence of uncle dennis......

[SupremeGuy]

Fuck it. Make him play this year and if he refuses the league will have to do something or it'll set a precedent. How could the PA even defend his behavior two years in a row? He'd be on an island.

He straight up might kill himself when he has to deal with big market media.

Basically, his uncle is a piece of shit.

His mom and sister don't seem stupid; they might be the only hope.

[acoelho1]

Some guys don’t know how good they have it. The Spurs take care of their star players and LA may sound great when you are young and at the top of your game but we’ll see how it plays out when they find someone better to build around as you get older. Also, I don’t believe the Spurs would purposely call out Kawhi’s group if there wasn’t something shady going on. I’m only speculating but I think their plan was to sully the relationship all along and get Kawhi to LA. Nevertheless, I think you call their bluff and make him play it out next year. If he opens up his list of teams then you can revisit trading him.

[K...]

LMAO Tony Parker "I'm a shitty rapper who fucks anything that walks"
Spurs "cool we'll see you in practice

Kawhi - sits in a room in the dark without contacting anyone for 13 months
Spurs "stop acting weird"


APO - "OMG the spurs can't handle young black superstars"



If pop didn't love San Antonio and went to boston, orlando, or LA and took his players with him he'd be the all time GOAT coach. He knows this. He has to win "the spurs way" because you can's win in San Antonio any other way.

[eric365]

If Kawhi quit, every spurs star quit... Because they ALL have been injured at critical times

Every spurs stars tried to play despite of the spurs doctor advice
Kawhi is the only one trying not to play when cleared by the spurs doctor

Big difference

[Marcus Bryant]

"ESPN Los Angeles: “From what I am being told…he’s made it very, very clear that he’s looking to go to Los Angeles to play for the Lakers and he does not care about the $219 million super max he could sign.” – stephena (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22932)smith on Kawhi Leonard"

They dont want to negotiate a new contract with Jordan brand because they dont offer him enough money but he rejects a super contract and loses 80 mill ???, coherence of uncle dennis......

Ha. It's always about the money.

[MoSpur02]

Ha. It's always about the money.

Exactly

[coachmac87]

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope


Kawhi brought this upon himself...

[coachmac87]

Also Dennis Robertson is only doing whats best for his nephew. Its a family thing.

If I had a newphew, I would hate for him to be the reason why they win 62 but get zero credit for it. San Antonio doesnt deserve a Superstar so long as Pop is in the helm.



Your Aunt I’m sure thought the same..saw you were on your way to being a 40 year old virgin playing on your computer all day..so she showed you the kitty...

#AuntFucker

[raybies]

Well Aldridge went from being universally disliked by Spurfan to beloved... the difference a year can make. Just don’t know if I want to love Leonard again. Kid probably got spanked for telling uncle Dennis he really just wants to stay and hasn’t opened a lip since.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

No way is Aldridge beloved, liked more than last summer but there is absolutely no way in hell you can win a title with Aldridge as a top 2 player on your team.

[LkrFan]

Kawhi brought this upon himself...

No, he didn't. "Dr." Tony Parker was the match that gaslit this situation. The funny part on the outside looking in, word on the streets is he (and Manure) were basically given orders from Pop to put out the narrative that TP not only had the same injury, but it was "100 times" worse. That basically unnecessarily challenged his manhood and pissed him off. I believe Stack5 (former Spur, so he has credibility) put that out on Undisputed IIRC.

You know what? I believe Stack5. Why? Not long afterwards Pop was cynical with any reporter with a mic in his face heard ahim tell them "to check with Kawhi's camp" whenever he asked about his franchise player.

Pop knows he fucked up too by evidence of him flying 1,275 miles to San Diego to beg Kiwi to change his mind. From what I'm hearing, he basically heard Pop out (with Uncle Fester next to him :lol) then flat out told him that he still wants out.

Why you farmers not blaming Pop is beyond me. You guys are sitting on 6 range if not for the arrogance of Pop (I still can't believe he took Jim out leading to a huge offensive rebound by Bosh Spice...unbelievable, but I digress).

PATFO knows he's gone. Now they sending out their Silver and Black soldiers to protect the Spur brand (which is smart BTW). This tweet rings true:

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Gonna be an interesting time in SATX if Kiwi leaves. If he does, blame Pop and his arrogance, not Kiwi.

[SpursDynasty85]

Very true. Got sonned by Matt fucking Barnes.

Up until that point he was more groomed to be a defensive stopper. You have to be given the opportunity to become an offensive star for the Spurs. Took Parker and Ginobili a while too.

[ducks]

The hate against dennis is stupid.

He's a father figure that wants the best for his nephew.

Its just a game and hes just a guy doing everything he can for family.

Hard to hate on that.if he wants Best for him he would say fire me
Get a real nba agent
I am not an expert

[ducks]

Pop went more then 1125 miles to meet rasho
David went back on vacation from Hawaii to keep Duncan a spur

[ducks]

Bj works for the clippers and his boss told him to say that so Leonard goes to clippers

[Mr. Body]

No, he didn't. "Dr." Tony Parker was the match that gaslit this situation. The funny part on the outside looking in, word on the streets is he (and Manure) were basically given orders from Pop to put out the narrative that TP not only had the same injury, but it was "100 times" worse. That basically unnecessarily challenged his manhood and pissed him off. I believe Stack5 (former Spur, so he has credibility) put that out on Undisputed IIRC.

You know what? I believe Stack5. Why? Not long afterwards Pop was cynical with any reporter with a mic in his face heard ahim tell them "to check with Kawhi's camp" whenever he asked about his franchise player.

Pop knows he fucked up too by evidence of him flying 1,275 miles to San Diego to beg Kiwi to change his mind. From what I'm hearing, he basically heard Pop out (with Uncle Fester next to him :lol) then flat out told him that he still wants out.

Why you farmers not blaming Pop is beyond me. You guys are sitting on 6 range if not for the arrogance of Pop (I still can't believe he took Jim out leading to a huge offensive rebound by Bosh Spice...unbelievable, but I digress).

PATFO knows he's gone. Now they sending out their Silver and Black soldiers to protect the Spur brand (which is smart BTW). This tweet rings true:

1010509375755071488

Gonna be an interesting time in SATX if Kiwi leaves. If he does, blame Pop and his arrogance, not Kiwi.

Kawhi sitting out with a pretend ouchie is the weakest thing I've seen a professional athlete do since Durant weeped into the arms of the Warriors. There is no third place, just these two guys. New generation, I guess.

[LkrFan]

Kawhi sitting out with a pretend ouchie is the weakest thing I've seen a professional athlete do since Durant weeped into the arms of the Warriors. There is no third place, just these two guys. New generation, I guess.

This is precisely what PATFO wants the narrative to be. It's working.

[BackHome]

I am so done with Kawhi don’t want a guy who can’t talk or wipe his own ass. He is as loyal as a cheap stripper it’s time to cut him loose trade his ass East and call it a day.

[LkrFan]

Pop went more then 1125 miles to meet rasho
David went back on vacation from Hawaii to keep Duncan a spur

Did Pop disparage Duncan thru the media? I don't think so. Big difference.

[coachmac87]

No, he didn't. "Dr." Tony Parker was the match that gaslit this situation. The funny part on the outside looking in, word on the streets is he (and Manure) were basically given orders from Pop to put out the narrative that TP not only had the same injury, but it was "100 times" worse. That basically unnecessarily challenged his manhood and pissed him off. I believe Stack5 (former Spur, so he has credibility) put that out on Undisputed IIRC.

You know what? I believe Stack5. Why? Not long afterwards Pop was cynical with any reporter with a mic in his face heard ahim tell them "to check with Kawhi's camp" whenever he asked about his franchise player.

Pop knows he fucked up too by evidence of him flying 1,275 miles to San Diego to beg Kiwi to change his mind. From what I'm hearing, he basically heard Pop out (with Uncle Fester next to him :lol) then flat out told him that he still wants out.

Why you farmers not blaming Pop is beyond me. You guys are sitting on 6 range if not for the arrogance of Pop (I still can't believe he took Jim out leading to a huge offensive rebound by Bosh Spice...unbelievable, but I digress).

PATFO knows he's gone. Now they sending out their Silver and Black soldiers to protect the Spur brand (which is smart BTW). This tweet rings true:

1010509375755071488

Gonna be an interesting time in SATX if Kiwi leaves. If he does, blame Pop and his arrogance, not Kiwi.

Ok you said it yourself. “They know he’s gone”

Why is he gone though? What led it to this? The most respected franchise in the league for 20 years that invented “rest DNP” and the coach who was fined $250K just decided to rush back and completely sabatoge his franchise player???

No sir. Kawhi tried to find a way out and this “injury” was his get out of jail card. He decided to use his injury of a way to justify leaving the team that won 60+ games the last two years and he didn’t wanna be viewed as the “bad guy”.

Well PATFO along with Spurs players saw right through that BS because until this day we don’t know the exact injury and how or why it can have you miss 73 games...needs to be backed by medical proof.

So yeah him playing this game and now trying to force the issue..he will get crucified in public by ex players, media heads, or fans. The stunt he tried to pull or his pulling is dirty and disrespectful.

Just like SAS said just say you wanna go to LA..don’t try to drag the Spurs through the mud when you can’t even speak or back it up. Again this thing was brought up because people were asking..”Why would Kawhi wanna leave SA? They’re the best? All they do is win?”


Ohhhhh they misdiagnosed his injury and the trust is broken. Ha

[coachmac87]

Kawhi never liked San Antonio...

He just took the things that he could benefit from it..championship, 90M, player development, fix broken jumper...

Kawhi doesn’t need the Spurs anymore..he’s established and now it’s time to play in Hollywood.

[ducks]

Well he and his mom building 3 million houses each

[LkrFan]

Grant Hill
Isaiah Thomas

Kiwi is right to be absolutely sure about his body. The Spurs should have had his back and they don't.

Say what you will about my Lakers, but look at how they handled Kobe. He was NOT worth $48.5 milli - especially after his Achilles rupture - but Jeannie took care of her star player anyway as a good gesture for his "years served" and it serves as a clear Bat signal to all potential superstars that may want to come to LA. Now we are in position to make moves (not saying they will happen but we are in great position to do so). This is gonna be an interesting summer...:downspin:

Even back in the day when Kobe went on ESPNLA to say he'd rather play on Pluto than be a Laker, the Lakers front office didn't do to him what Spurs PATFO are doing to Kiwi (hell, they even stood by him after he raped a "preciously innocent white girl" who had 3 different DNA strands of semen in her panties. Kobe was a dumbass for not strapping up :lol).

The Lakers never publicly embarrassed him. They retired both of his numbers, statue, etc. That's how you take care of your star player. Not this bullshit Spurs PATFO is doing.

Today's small market teams :lol

[LkrFan]

Kawhi never liked San Antonio...

He just took the things that he could benefit from it..championship, 90M, player development, fix broken jumper...

Kawhi doesn’t need the Spurs anymore..he’s established and now it’s time to play in Hollywood.

Do it RC! :lol

[LkrFan]

I am so done with Kawhi don’t want a guy who can’t talk or wipe his own ass. He is as loyal as a cheap stripper it’s time to cut him loose trade his ass East and call it a day.

What team in the East is gonna give the Spurs anything legit, for a 1-year rental?

[coachmac87]

Grant Hill
Isaiah Thomas

Kiwi is right to be absolutely sure about his body. The Spurs should have had his back and they don't.

Say what you will about my Lakers, but look at how they handled Kobe. He was NOT worth $48.5 milli - especially after his Achilles rupture - but Jeannie took care of her star player anyway as a good gesture for his "years served" and it serves as a clear Bat signal to all potential superstars that may want to come to LA. Now we are in position to make moves (not saying they will happen but we are in great position to do so). This is gonna be an interesting summer...:downspin:

Even back in the day when Kobe went on ESPNLA to say he'd rather play on Pluto than be a Laker, the Lakers front office didn't do to him what Spurs PATFO are doing to Kiwi (hell, they even stood by him after he raped a "preciously innocent white girl" who had 3 different DNA strands of semen in her panties. Kobe was a dumbass for not strapping up :lol).

The Lakers never publicly embarrassed him. They retired both of his numbers, statue, etc. That's how you take care of your star player. Not this bullshit Spurs PATFO is doing.

Today's small market teams :lol

Kobe publicly embarrassed himself on the court. Refused to shoot an entire second half....

Kawhi refused to even play....

Maybe one day you’ll understand. Laker fan living on a Spurs forum :lmao

[LkrFan]

Kobe publicly embarrassed himself on the court. Refused to shoot an entire second half....

Kawhi refused to even play....

Maybe one day you’ll understand. Laker fan living on a Spurs forum :lmao

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Kawhi sitting out with a pretend ouchie is the weakest thing I've seen a professional athlete do since Durant weeped into the arms of the Warriors. There is no third place, just these two guys. New generation, I guess.
Kobe quitting on his team in the playoffs and then demanding a trade is third place, followed by Kobe forcing his way to the Lakers on draft day.

[BSfromTX]

Crazy how many in the media actually defending Kawhi. Injured or not, he’s handled it poorly.smh

[Mr. Body]

This is precisely what PATFO wants the narrative to be. It's working.

It has the virtue of being true.

[Clipper Nation]

Did Pop disparage Duncan thru the media? I don't think so. Big difference.
Poop disparaged Duncan by benching him in 6, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Crazy how many in the media actually defending Kawhi. Injured or not, he’s handled it poorly.smh

It's ESPN. They warp sports to suit themselves, pushing Duke and Kentucky all the time, pushing SEC football, because it makes them more money. They're pushing Kawhi to Los Angeles now.

[LkrFan]

Poop disparaged Duncan by benching him in 6, tbh.

Well, you got a point there. :lol

[LkrFan]

Kobe quitting on his team in the playoffs and then demanding a trade is third place, followed by Kobe forcing his way to the Lakers on draft day.

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao
Actually, never mind. Kobe snitching on Shaq is ahead of both of those.

[MoSpur02]

Did Pop disparage Duncan thru the media? I don't think so. Big difference.

Duncan never alienated himself from the entire organization.

[LkrFan]

Actually, never mind. Kobe snitching on Shaq is ahead of both of those.

TP smashing his teammates wife is GOAT worthy tbh :lol

[offset formation]

Well he and his mom building 3 million houses each

Argh, here we go again. Sauce?

[LkrFan]

Duncan never alienated himself from the entire organization.

How did Kiwi alienate himself? The whole world knows he's not much of a talker. And prior to this year he was seen as a good teammate. What changed that makes you think this?

[spurschamps99030507]

Ha. It's always about the money.

no one can respect what this rat is doing by boycotting his own team and killing the organization in a treacherous, cowardly, disloyal way.


the rat and his group do not have credibility at a professional level, they do not have credibility in business, they can make a fool of themselves in the history of world sport by rejecting 219m and losing 80 million.


Nobody can take you seriously when you do something like this. What are you going to ask jordan brand? they are the most retarded in the history of sports, have you decided to lose 80 million what business are you going to do?


I can not believe that finally these clowns commit suicide on a sporting, economic, money, business level.

[Extra Stout]

What team in the East is gonna give the Spurs anything legit, for a 1-year rental?The Spurs don’t really believe he’s made up his mind to sign in LA in 2019 if all else fails. They believe it’s posturing to force a trade right now to LA that includes Deng’s contract. Unfortunately for Kawhi, Magic, and LeBron, Popovich is not an idiot. The Spurs will review the landscape in a couple of months and see who signs where. Kawhi almost certainly will never suit up in a Spurs uniform ever again, but if he wants to be a Laker, he’s going to have to play $100-$140 million for the privilege.

[offset formation]

This is precisely what PATFO wants the narrative to be. It's working.

Did PATFO want the narrative to be that Pop had to chase that fuckhead around the country just to hear directly from Kawhi? A month and a half after his wife passed?

Talk about a narrative. Kawhi's a POS. I'm ashamed there are still playerfans in his camp. And you're right, the organization knows precisely what Kawhi's future is with the Spurs, and its precisely why its former players and Spur greats aren't biting their tongues anymore.

[offset formation]

How did Kiwi alienate himself? The whole world knows he's not much of a talker. And prior to this year he was seen as a good teammate. What changed that makes you think this?

I'll take a stab...

Uhh, he went AWOL.

[apalisoc_9]

This is precisely what PATFO wants the narrative to be. It's working.

Spursfans so gullible.

[LkrFan]

The Spurs don’t really believe he’s made up his mind to sign in LA in 2019 if all else fails. They believe it’s posturing to force a trade right now to LA that includes Deng’s contract. Unfortunately for Kawhi, Magic, and LeBron, Popovich is not an idiot. The Spurs will review the landscape in a couple of months and see who signs where. Kawhi almost certainly will never suit up in a Spurs uniform ever again, but if he wants to be a Laker, he’s going to have to play $100-$140 million for the privilege.

The Lakers can stretch Deng without putting him in any trade package for Kiwi. Hell, if they did get even 1 max player this summer, I bet they play him next season. He's still serviceable - just not worth $18 milli. He could do damage vs 2nd string players IMO.

[offset formation]

Did Pop disparage Duncan thru the media? I don't think so. Big difference.

Did Duncan ever forget how to wipe his own ass? Inquiring minds...

[spurschamps99030507]

this rat is not lebron james, he has no charisma, he was not offered more than 5 million per year and people say that after losing 80 million contract he will recover the money with business?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22640451/kawhi-leonard-talks-jordan-brand-new-shoe-deal-stalled-sources-say (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22640451/kawhi-leonard-talks-jordan-brand-new-shoe-deal-stalled-sources-say)




Kawhi Leonard's talks with Jordan Brand about new shoe deal have stalled, sources say

SAN ANTONIO -- San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) star forward Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) will likely be pondering a supermax contract extension over the summer, but off the court, talks between he and Jordan Brand on a new shoe deal have stalled, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.
Jordan Brand, which is a division of Nike, and Leonard's representatives came "very close" to completion on a new four-year extension worth more than $20 million. But discussions broke down abruptly because representatives for Leonard didn't feel that the new deal reflected the forward's accomplishments and standing within the league, sources said.
Leonard has finished second and third in voting for the NBA's Most Valuable Player award over the last two seasons, but he's played in just a handful of games this season because of injury.
A two-time Defensive Player of the Year, two-time All-NBA first team selection and Finals MVP, Leonard earns less than $500,000 per year in his current endorsement contract with Jordan Brand, which is worth significantly less than the deal currently on the table from the shoe company.

It's unclear whether Leonard intends to leave Jordan Brand when his contract expires on Oct. 1, but a source close to the situation said the shoe company owns the right to match any competing offers. Once the brand's exclusive negotiating window closes in July, Leonard and his representatives can start fielding potential new offers from other companies. Pitches are typically held in late August and early September, as players historically look to resolve shoe deals before the start of training camp in late September. Jordan Brand would have 10 business days to match any competing offer sheet signed by the forward.

There are no current talks between Jordan Brand and Leonard's representatives, sources said.
No current Jordan Brand athlete in the NBA receives more than $10 million per season in their shoe endorsement deal. The Nike Inc. subsidiary often pays less on shoe deals than its competitors, with players excited to partner with the legacy brand. Russell Westbrook (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)'s recently signed 10-year extension with Jordan Brand through the 2025-26 season will be the most lucrative total endorsement deal for a Jordan athlete to date, according to ESPN's research.
Jordan's current extension offer does not include a Leonard signature shoe, which would escalate the value of the deal dramatically. Signature deals typically include a 5 percent royalty on all logo footwear and apparel sold, allowing for a handful of the game's biggest stars to earn well north of eight figures annually from brands.
In addition to the namesake sneaker line, the brand will also then commit additional marketing dollars for campaigns and activations promoting the player. In Leonard's case, he has been used sparingly in Jordan's global marketing efforts, appearing more recently in a fall campaign for the brand's "Be Like Mike" capsule collection with Gatorade.
Nike has launched signature shoes for more than 21 NBA stars in its history, while Jordan Brand has been far more selective. Only Carmelo Anthony (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1975/carmelo-anthony), Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), Dwyane Wade (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1987/dwyane-wade) and Westbrook have received a Jordan signature shoe to date.
Cleveland's LeBron James (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james) plays under the most lucrative shoe contract of any current athlete, earning more than $20 million per year from Nike on his "lifetime" endorsement deal.
Golden State Warriors (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors) forward Kevin Durant (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant) receives in the neighborhood of more than $20 million annually from Nike as well, through a combination of the annual base salary of his shoe deal, sales royalties, and several incentive bonuses. Stephen Curry (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)'s Under Armour deal (more than $17 million annually), and James Harden (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden)'s contract with Adidas (more than $15 million) make up the next tier of earners.
By comparison, Blake Griffin (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3989/blake-griffin) earns a similar annual figure from Jordan Brand to what Leonard was offered, while signature athletes such as Kyrie Irving (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving), Paul George (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4251/paul-george) and Damian Lillard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard) each earn more.
The quiet and reserved Leonard has played in only nine games for the Spurs this season as he recovers from right quadriceps tendinopathy.
The forward recently returned to San Antonio to resume workouts at the team's training facility, after consulting with doctors in New York for three weeks.
Leonard's timetable for return remains uncertain, as it's based on his comfort level with managing the injury.
"He's doing what he's supposed to do. He's working hard at it," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said last week. "He wants to be back. When and if he feels like he's ready to go, he'll be there."
Leonard is eligible for a five year, $219 million supermax extension this summer. Leonard signed a maximum five-year contract worth $90 million in July of 2015 to remain with the Spurs, and there's still one more season left on his deal after the current campaign with a player option for 2019-20 worth $21.3 million.

[LkrFan]

I'll take a stab...

Uhh, he went AWOL.

Did I not read that st one point Pop didn't want him around (before the infamous team meeting)? IIRC, then TP and Beak came out talking shit, Pop disparaged him thru the media, etc.

[LkrFan]

Spursfans so gullible.

:lol

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs don’t really believe he’s made up his mind to sign in LA in 2019 if all else fails. They believe it’s posturing to force a trade right now to LA that includes Deng’s contract. Unfortunately for Kawhi, Magic, and LeBron, Popovich is not an idiot. The Spurs will review the landscape in a couple of months and see who signs where. Kawhi almost certainly will never suit up in a Spurs uniform ever again, but if he wants to be a Laker, he’s going to have to play $100-$140 million for the privilege.

Yep. Funny how supposedly professional journalists don't seem to understand what under contract means.

[offset formation]

Did I not read that st one point Pop didn't want him around (before the infamous team meeting)? IIRC, then TP and Beak came out talking shit, Pop disparaged him thru the media, etc.

That was the rumor. If Pop really got to that point though, it was a justified banishment. Exile him to hell.

[coachmac87]

Lakerfans have selective memory...

Remember when Phil wrote a book about Kobe being a straight bitch....Kobe then quits on his team once he realized Phil and Shaq were actually better than him at their jobs...

Tried to demand a trade after quitting...cries for Phil to come save his career and wins 2 titles

Maybe Kawhi is right up your alley..

Duncan > Kobe #SaltInWound

[Dverde]

They also never mentioned the state taxes.

[LkrFan]

Lakerfans have selective memory...

Remember when Phil wrote a book about Kobe being a straight bitch....Kobe then quits on his team once he realized Phil and Shaq were actually better than him at their jobs...

Tried to demand a trade after quitting...cries for Phil to come save his career and wins 2 titles

Maybe Kawhi is right up your alley..

Duncan > Kobe #SaltInWound

:lol

Kobe banished Shaq, fired Phil, then re-hired Phil. Along the way he beat Jim 4-2 H2H when both players played. It's too bad Slava Medvedenko couldn't hang with the Wallace bros in 2004, otherwise it's Kobe 6, Duncan 5PERIOD. :lol

[LkrFan]

That was the rumor. If Pop really got to that point though, it was a justified banishment. Exile him to hell.

You see...it's this vile bitterness that makes him want to leave. Now Pop's calling him, texting, Facetiming, Skyping, etc., trying to get Kiwi to change his mind. PATHETIC tbh :lol

[raybies]

You see...it's this vile bitterness that makes him want to leave. Now Pop's calling him, texting, Facetiming, Skyping, etc., trying to get Kiwi to change his mind. PATHETIC tbh :lol
Stay Dwight.

[LkrFan]

Stay Dwight.

:lol - that was a wet shitstain on Mitch Kupcake and Jim Buss's legacy. Now Jim's sister has drained the swamp :lol

[LkrFan]

Truth bomb laced tweet:

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:wow

[Clipper Nation]

Kobe banished Shaq, fired Phil
...and won nothing until MVPau arrived to carry him.

[Mr. Body]

Truth bomb laced tweet:

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:wow

Wow. An LA writer trying to bend the narrative. Shocking.

[coachmac87]

:lol

Kobe banished Shaq, fired Phil, then re-hired Phil. Along the way he beat Jim 4-2 H2H when both players played. It's too bad Slava Medvedenko couldn't hang with the Wallace bros in 2004, otherwise it's Kobe 6, Duncan 5PERIOD. :lol

Oh it’s 6-5 now?

Could’ve sworn you’ve used Game 6 against Miam against Duncan? So is it 6-6?

Just stop with the internet nerd nonsense and talk hoops. What I said about Kobe was right you ignored it cause it stings. You joined an opponent teams forum for fuck sake..that screams fear or respect like 10000..

Just acknowledge what I said is correct. Kobe and Kawhi both pulled bitch ass moves..maybe you’ll have the pleasure to idolize both from afar and circle jerk on “SpursTalk”

[Marcus Bryant]

Wow. An LA writer trying to bend the narrative. Shocking.

Yeah. Laker fan typically has special needs so be gentle.

[LkrFan]

...and won nothing until MVPau arrived to carry him.

:lol

Like MVPau being 0-12 until Kobe held his hand? And he haven't won shit since :lmao

[LkrFan]

Yeah. Laker fan typically has special needs so be gentle.

:lol

[Extra Stout]

The Lakers can stretch Deng without putting him in any trade package for Kiwi. Hell, if they did get even 1 max player this summer, I bet they play him next season. He's still serviceable - just not worth $18 milli. He could do damage vs 2nd string players IMO.I don’t think stretching him opens up enough room for LBJ, PG13, AND Kawhi. Certainly not in 2019. They can get two max guys, but not all three.

[LkrFan]

Not a good look:

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[LkrFan]

I don’t think stretching him opens up enough room for LBJ, PG13, AND Kawhi. Certainly not in 2019. They can get two max guys, but not all three.

You're probably right.

[MoSpur02]

Did Pop disparage Duncan thru the media? I don't think so. Big difference.

Duncan never alienated himself from the entire organization.

[Marcus Bryant]

Duncan never alienated himself from the entire organization.

2+2...

[Mugen]

You're probably right.

:lol you hurtin my nigga LkrFan with all this math shit...

[pad300]

Is Trump part of Kawhi's group? If not, why is he a hot topic in this thread?

3 words: Trump Derangement Syndrome

[LkrFan]

:lol you hurtin my nigga LkrFan with all this math shit...

:lol

[baseline bum]

The Lakers can stretch Deng without putting him in any trade package for Kiwi. Hell, if they did get even 1 max player this summer, I bet they play him next season. He's still serviceable - just not worth $18 milli. He could do damage vs 2nd string players IMO.

They can't stretch Deng if they want their superteam. Deng's stretched salary will count as a $7.36 million cap hold next summer if they do. If they have already signed James and George to max deals that Deng cap hold drops the best offer the Lakers could make for Leonard next summer to 4 years, $99 million. Everyone else with capsapce could offer 4 years, $139 million and whatever team the Spurs have traded Leonard to could make a Bird offer of 5 years, $179 million.

[djohn2oo8]

Not a good look:

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Bruce is right.

[daslicer]

No, he didn't. "Dr." Tony Parker was the match that gaslit this situation. The funny part on the outside looking in, word on the streets is he (and Manure) were basically given orders from Pop to put out the narrative that TP not only had the same injury, but it was "100 times" worse. That basically unnecessarily challenged his manhood and pissed him off. I believe Stack5 (former Spur, so he has credibility) put that out on Undisputed IIRC.

You know what? I believe Stack5. Why? Not long afterwards Pop was cynical with any reporter with a mic in his face heard ahim tell them "to check with Kawhi's camp" whenever he asked about his franchise player.

Pop knows he fucked up too by evidence of him flying 1,275 miles to San Diego to beg Kiwi to change his mind. From what I'm hearing, he basically heard Pop out (with Uncle Fester next to him :lol) then flat out told him that he still wants out.

Why you farmers not blaming Pop is beyond me. You guys are sitting on 6 range if not for the arrogance of Pop (I still can't believe he took Jim out leading to a huge offensive rebound by Bosh Spice...unbelievable, but I digress).

PATFO knows he's gone. Now they sending out their Silver and Black soldiers to protect the Spur brand (which is smart BTW). This tweet rings true:

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Gonna be an interesting time in SATX if Kiwi leaves. If he does, blame Pop and his arrogance, not Kiwi.

Jax is as credible as Fox News when it comes to to being honest about Trump. Jax has an axe to the grind with the Spurs. He's resentful of both Parker and Manu and feels in his heart that he should have been the one winning titles with Duncan instead of them. He's also resentful of Pop for cutting him '13. You do know the original story in '13 was that he got cut because he was starting shit with Kawhi in practice due to being upset with not being able to start over him. Funny how Jax didn't even bother to deny that story for a year probably because he didn't expect Kawhi to ever to amount to anything more than a good role player. Immediately after the '14 Finals when Kawhi wins Finals MVP he changed the story immediately to the reason why he got cut was because he was angy Manu and Green got more minutes than him. :lol Jax is so vindictive he's the only guy I have seen that openly roots against a team that he won a championship with. He rooted for Miami in '13 and the Warriors last year in '17. Jax is a notorious liar hell even in a 1 on 1 interview with Broussard a few months ago they were several factual things he lied about during his time with the Spurs.

[Marcus Bryant]

They can't stretch Deng if they want their superteam. Deng's stretched salary will count as a $7.36 million cap hold next summer if they do. If they have already signed James and George to max deals that Deng cap hold drops the best offer the Lakers could make for Leonard next summer to 4 years, $99 million. Everyone else with capsapce could offer 4 years, $139 million and whatever team the Spurs have traded Leonard to could make a Bird offer of 5 years, $179 million.

Why you don't mix family and business.

[Dave_ET]

this rat is not lebron james, he has no charisma, he was not offered more than 5 million per year and people say that after losing 80 million contract he will recover the money with business?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22640451/kawhi-leonard-talks-jordan-brand-new-shoe-deal-stalled-sources-say (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22640451/kawhi-leonard-talks-jordan-brand-new-shoe-deal-stalled-sources-say)




Kawhi Leonard's talks with Jordan Brand about new shoe deal have stalled, sources say

SAN ANTONIO -- San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) star forward Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) will likely be pondering a supermax contract extension over the summer, but off the court, talks between he and Jordan Brand on a new shoe deal have stalled, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation told ESPN.
Jordan Brand, which is a division of Nike, and Leonard's representatives came "very close" to completion on a new four-year extension worth more than $20 million. But discussions broke down abruptly because representatives for Leonard didn't feel that the new deal reflected the forward's accomplishments and standing within the league, sources said.
Leonard has finished second and third in voting for the NBA's Most Valuable Player award over the last two seasons, but he's played in just a handful of games this season because of injury.
A two-time Defensive Player of the Year, two-time All-NBA first team selection and Finals MVP, Leonard earns less than $500,000 per year in his current endorsement contract with Jordan Brand, which is worth significantly less than the deal currently on the table from the shoe company.

It's unclear whether Leonard intends to leave Jordan Brand when his contract expires on Oct. 1, but a source close to the situation said the shoe company owns the right to match any competing offers. Once the brand's exclusive negotiating window closes in July, Leonard and his representatives can start fielding potential new offers from other companies. Pitches are typically held in late August and early September, as players historically look to resolve shoe deals before the start of training camp in late September. Jordan Brand would have 10 business days to match any competing offer sheet signed by the forward.

There are no current talks between Jordan Brand and Leonard's representatives, sources said.
No current Jordan Brand athlete in the NBA receives more than $10 million per season in their shoe endorsement deal. The Nike Inc. subsidiary often pays less on shoe deals than its competitors, with players excited to partner with the legacy brand. Russell Westbrook (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook)'s recently signed 10-year extension with Jordan Brand through the 2025-26 season will be the most lucrative total endorsement deal for a Jordan athlete to date, according to ESPN's research.
Jordan's current extension offer does not include a Leonard signature shoe, which would escalate the value of the deal dramatically. Signature deals typically include a 5 percent royalty on all logo footwear and apparel sold, allowing for a handful of the game's biggest stars to earn well north of eight figures annually from brands.
In addition to the namesake sneaker line, the brand will also then commit additional marketing dollars for campaigns and activations promoting the player. In Leonard's case, he has been used sparingly in Jordan's global marketing efforts, appearing more recently in a fall campaign for the brand's "Be Like Mike" capsule collection with Gatorade.
Nike has launched signature shoes for more than 21 NBA stars in its history, while Jordan Brand has been far more selective. Only Carmelo Anthony (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1975/carmelo-anthony), Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul), Dwyane Wade (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1987/dwyane-wade) and Westbrook have received a Jordan signature shoe to date.
Cleveland's LeBron James (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james) plays under the most lucrative shoe contract of any current athlete, earning more than $20 million per year from Nike on his "lifetime" endorsement deal.
Golden State Warriors (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors) forward Kevin Durant (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant) receives in the neighborhood of more than $20 million annually from Nike as well, through a combination of the annual base salary of his shoe deal, sales royalties, and several incentive bonuses. Stephen Curry (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry)'s Under Armour deal (more than $17 million annually), and James Harden (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden)'s contract with Adidas (more than $15 million) make up the next tier of earners.
By comparison, Blake Griffin (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3989/blake-griffin) earns a similar annual figure from Jordan Brand to what Leonard was offered, while signature athletes such as Kyrie Irving (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving), Paul George (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4251/paul-george) and Damian Lillard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6606/damian-lillard) each earn more.
The quiet and reserved Leonard has played in only nine games for the Spurs this season as he recovers from right quadriceps tendinopathy.
The forward recently returned to San Antonio to resume workouts at the team's training facility, after consulting with doctors in New York for three weeks.
Leonard's timetable for return remains uncertain, as it's based on his comfort level with managing the injury.
"He's doing what he's supposed to do. He's working hard at it," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said last week. "He wants to be back. When and if he feels like he's ready to go, he'll be there."
Leonard is eligible for a five year, $219 million supermax extension this summer. Leonard signed a maximum five-year contract worth $90 million in July of 2015 to remain with the Spurs, and there's still one more season left on his deal after the current campaign with a player option for 2019-20 worth $21.3 million.

Can anyone tally up the net $ of Kawhi going to LA? Trying to figure out Uncle D's thinking.

-No Supermax
-Cali taxes
-Potential contract in LA accommodating LBJ + PG (or just max contract)
+best-case scenario for endorsements in LA

?

[Marcus Bryant]

Can anyone tally up the net $ of Kawhi going to LA? Trying to figure out Uncle D's thinking.

-No Supermax
-Cali taxes
-Potential contract in LA accommodating LBJ + PG (or just max contract)
+best-case scenario for endorsements in LA

?

He's thinking he's going to build a super agency and be able to recruit a bunch of players.

[Dave_ET]

He's thinking he's going to build a super agency and be able to recruit a bunch of players.

I'd say he's off to a bad start.

[LkrFan]

They can't stretch Deng if they want their superteam. Deng's stretched salary will count as a $7.36 million cap hold next summer if they do. If they have already signed James and George to max deals that Deng cap hold drops the best offer the Lakers could make for Leonard next summer to 4 years, $99 million. Everyone else with capsapce could offer 4 years, $139 million and whatever team the Spurs have traded Leonard to could make a Bird offer of 5 years, $179 million.

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:downspin:

[Spurs da champs]

Brandon Ingram>Kuzma & everybody else in that shitty trade outside KL.

[ducks]

[QUOTE=LkrFan;9436938]Not a good look:

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[Extra Stout]

Can anyone tally up the net $ of Kawhi going to LA? Trying to figure out Uncle D's thinking.

-No Supermax
-Cali taxes
-Potential contract in LA accommodating LBJ + PG (or just max contract)
+best-case scenario for endorsements in LA

?
I’m not so sure anymore that Kawhi is being led by the nose by his uncle. After thinking about it, I suspect LeBron got in his ear directly about finding a way to “take control” and engineer a way out of San Antonio to go home to LA, into a situation where he could do his thing and win without having to lead, without sacrificing too much money. When his agent wouldn’t entertain it, Kawhi asked his uncle for help and things went from there.

Once you figure that out, obviously there’s no point in trying to salvage the relationship. Kawhi is like any other guy who will lie, cheat, and steal to get what he wants. You can’t trust him and you can’t build a franchise around him. Now that you know he’ll lie his ass off to your face, and his intentions are transparent, the path forward is clear: cockblock the path to LA, and craft a trade as beneficial to your own interests as possible.

[buujness]

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:downspin:
Charlotte clearly says no. They lose Kemba Walker for Brandon Ingram and the Deng contract? That'd be worse than drafting Kwame Brown.

[offset formation]

You see...it's this vile bitterness that makes him want to leave. Now Pop's calling him, texting, Facetiming, Skyping, etc., trying to get Kiwi to change his mind. PATHETIC tbh :lol

Haha..."vile bitterness."

Hell = Detroit

Btw, that bitterness was second in the entropy stream. Kawhi was first a disgruntled, silent punk. Then he Kawhit on the team entirely.

[objective]

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:downspin:

Who says no?

Spurs say no while laughing.

Kemba is about to be a free agent demanding a max contract of his own when the Spurs already have Murray, second team all defense.

[Gino20]

Question. The assumption is that Jabari’s sources are from Kawhi’s group whereas Shams and Woj sources are from the Spurs side (even though they conflict sometimes)?

[offset formation]

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:downspin:

Lol. Who says no?

Well besides PATFO? Most of Spurs land? I'm guessing Jordan, Charlotte management and most of that city, and most of the fucking League.

[baseline bum]

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:downspin:

The Spurs do. Probably the Hornets too.

[boutons_deux]

cockblock the path to LA, and craft a trade as beneficial to your own interests as possible.

I wonder if Spurs will refuse any KL trade into WC?

[MoSpur02]

Wow. That trade by that idiot is ridiculously bad. No one wants Deng's contract.

[Mr. Body]

I’m not so sure anymore that Kawhi is being led by the nose by his uncle. After thinking about it, I suspect LeBron got in his ear directly about finding a way to “take control” and engineer a way out of San Antonio to go home to LA, into a situation where he could do his thing and win without having to lead, without sacrificing too much money. When his agent wouldn’t entertain it, Kawhi asked his uncle for help and things went from there.

Once you figure that out, obviously there’s no point in trying to salvage the relationship. Kawhi is like any other guy who will lie, cheat, and steal to get what he wants. You can’t trust him and you can’t build a franchise around him. Now that you know he’ll lie his ass off to your face, and his intentions are transparent, the path forward is clear: cockblock the path to LA, and craft a trade as beneficial to your own interests as possible.

Dude, no. LeBron has nothing to do with this. That's hilarious.

[MoSpur02]

I'm not trading Kawhi to the West if I'm the Spurs. I would to boo him twice a year when he comes to the AT&T Center, but that's not enough for me to trade him to a Western Conference team.

[offset formation]

Wow. That trade by that idiot is ridiculously bad. No one wants Deng's contract.

Thank God for Mitch and Buss, Jr.

That Deng contract might just cockblock the next ordained superteam.

[objective]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?

[daslicer]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?

Agreed that to me is the weirdest thing at how angry Laker fans are getting at the Spurs for not wanting to trade Kawhi to them. If I was them I would actually be happy about that since it's been leaked out Kawhi will sign with them anyways when he's an FA. They can still keep their young players Ingram and Kuzma without having to trade them.

[Mr. Body]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?

They can't keep Ingram, Kuzma and Ball and get the three big players they wall. This is all the Lakers fans and ESPN wanting LeBron, Kawhi, and George all at the same time. Nevermind that they play the same position, nevermind that they'd have no money to get actual, you know, players around them.

[coachmac87]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?

They don’t give a fuck about Kawhi...they just want LeBron..

And they feel either Kawhi or George pretty much guarantees LeBron

[picnroll]

They need Leonard to get LeBron. Doubt LeBron wants to go to the LA shit show with Daady Big Baller and Uncle Denny and the other LA freaks anyways.

[NASpurs]

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[Mr. Body]

They need Leonard to get LeBron. Doubt LeBron wants to go to the LA shit show with Daady Big Baller and Uncle Denny and the other LA freaks anyways.

No fucking way LeBron goes to LA with their junk roster without Kawhi. Maybe not even with George.

[Mr. Body]

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We may see a Philly/Boston trading war shaping up. Which is awesome.

[objective]

They can't keep Ingram, Kuzma and Ball and get the three big players they wall. This is all the Lakers fans and ESPN wanting LeBron, Kawhi, and George all at the same time. Nevermind that they play the same position, nevermind that they'd have no money to get actual, you know, players around them.

They can keep those guys, they just need Kawhi to sign for the MLE next year. Maybe lose Ball, but that's it

Then stretch Deng

Kawhi will surely sign for the MLE or whatever room they have because it's not about the money. It's about family. Kawhi still drives a beat up old car, he's not worried about $$$.

Hell, I bet he's willing to sign for the minimum so the Lakers can use the MLE on someone else.

[coachmac87]

They can keep those guys, they just need Kawhi to sign for the MLE next year. Maybe lose Ball, but that's it

Then stretch Deng

Kawhi will surely sign for the MLE or whatever room they have because it's not about the money. It's about family. Kawhi still drives a beat up old car, he's not worried about $$$.

Hell, I bet he's willing to sign for the minimum so the Lakers can use the MLE on someone else.


:lmao :claw

[Mr. Body]

They can keep those guys, they just need Kawhi to sign for the MLE next year. Maybe lose Ball, but that's it

Then stretch Deng

Kawhi will surely sign for the MLE or whatever room they have because it's not about the money. It's about family. Kawhi still drives a beat up old car, he's not worried about $$$.

Hell, I bet he's willing to sign for the minimum so the Lakers can use the MLE on someone else.

Dude, this is all about money. Kawhi's side knew the Spurs were going to lowball from the Supermax and so they started pitching going somewhere else. They sure as fuck aren't accepting the MLE. That's fucking ridiculous.

[Marcus Bryant]

I’m not so sure anymore that Kawhi is being led by the nose by his uncle. After thinking about it, I suspect LeBron got in his ear directly about finding a way to “take control” and engineer a way out of San Antonio to go home to LA, into a situation where he could do his thing and win without having to lead, without sacrificing too much money. When his agent wouldn’t entertain it, Kawhi asked his uncle for help and things went from there.

Once you figure that out, obviously there’s no point in trying to salvage the relationship. Kawhi is like any other guy who will lie, cheat, and steal to get what he wants. You can’t trust him and you can’t build a franchise around him. Now that you know he’ll lie his ass off to your face, and his intentions are transparent, the path forward is clear: cockblock the path to LA, and craft a trade as beneficial to your own interests as possible.

Of course. Also putting 2 and 2 together likely whichever shoe company has let it be known that if a superteam happens they'll provide a great deal.

Fly in the ointment is of course that the Spurs have him under contract for the next year. We live in a stupid adolescent and spoiled culture but saying you want something doesn't mean you get something

[coachmac87]

Dude, this is all about money. Kawhi's side knew the Spurs were going to lowball from the Supermax and so they started pitching going somewhere else. They sure as fuck aren't accepting the MLE. That's fucking ridiculous.

Pretty sure he’s being sarcastic

[RD2191]

Dude, this is all about money. Kawhi's side knew the Spurs were going to lowball from the Supermax and so they started pitching going somewhere else. They sure as fuck aren't accepting the MLE. That's fucking ridiculous.

He's being a sarcastic faggot tbh

[BSfromTX]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?


Well, if they land PG only, then it makes sense. If they land PG and Lebron, then there will be just crumbs left for KL. How much of a pay cut will he take? He already stands to lose 40-100 M in Supermax and endorsements after this year and assuming he makes it to FA.

[daslicer]

They can't keep Ingram, Kuzma and Ball and get the three big players they wall. This is all the Lakers fans and ESPN wanting LeBron, Kawhi, and George all at the same time. Nevermind that they play the same position, nevermind that they'd have no money to get actual, you know, players around them.

That part is pretty funny considering Lebron or Kawhi would have to play PF if those 3 ever got to play together.

[Marcus Bryant]

No fucking way LeBron goes to LA with their junk roster without Kawhi. Maybe not even with George.

Yep. It'll probably take another month of the Spurs letting Magic's calls go to voicemail.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Dude, this is all about money. Kawhi's side knew the Spurs were going to lowball from the Supermax and so they started pitching going somewhere else. They sure as fuck aren't accepting the MLE. That's fucking ridiculous.

He was joking my dude

[Mr. Body]

Pretty sure he’s being sarcastic

Eh, with ducks running around it's hard to tell who's a simp. Mea culpa.

[Ron Swanson]

Dude, this is all about money. Kawhi's side knew the Spurs were going to lowball from the Supermax and so they started pitching going somewhere else. They sure as fuck aren't accepting the MLE. That's fucking ridiculous.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o6MbqHiE376ktPX9K/giphy.gif

[Mr. Body]

Also I need to get off reddit. People there are even more retarded than some of the ones here.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

He's being a sarcastic faggot tbh

The only fagg:lolt here is you. Gargling Kawhitter's ballsack all day and wiping his ass for him after every shit. Fucking player fan.

[Extra Stout]

Dude, no. LeBron has nothing to do with this. That's hilarious.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting LeBron masterminded Kawhi faking an injury and sitting out. No way he’d ever let himself get implicated in something like that. But putting the bug in his ear? “Hey, Kawhi, wouldn’t it be great if...?” That happens all the time. It’s not all that different from our chattering about it here unless there was already a thread in Kawhi’s mind to pull. Put out the bait and see what nibbles you get. That’s how you play the game.

[Marcus Bryant]

We may see a Philly/Boston trading war shaping up. Which is awesome.

Yes sir.

[objective]

Eh, with ducks running around it's hard to tell who's a simp. Mea culpa.

:lol

Hell, forget the MLE, I think Kawhi will pay the Lakers for the privilege of playing in the purple and gold.

Lakers will actually gain caproom by signing Kawhi.

[coachmac87]

:lol

Hell, forget the MLE, I think Kawhi will pay the Lakers for the privilege of playing in the purple and gold.

Lakers will actually gain caproom by signing Kawhi.


Do you think they have a chance for Chris Paul??

Asking for a friend

[Marcus Bryant]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting LeBron masterminded Kawhi faking an injury and sitting out. No way he’d ever let himself get implicated in something like that. But putting the bug in his ear? “Hey, Kawhi, wouldn’t it be great if...?” That happens all the time. It’s not all that different from our chattering about it here unless there was already a thread in Kawhi’s mind to pull. Put out the bait and see what nibbles you get. That’s how you play the game.

Players, teams, agents, media, broadcast outlets, ad agencies, shoe companies, etc...lots of interested parties here. Either this will dissipate when it's clear the Spurs won't play ball or it's about to get real stupid.

[RD2191]

The only fagg:lolt here is you. Gargling Kawhitter's ballsack all day and wiping his ass for him after every shit. Fucking player fan.

Oh wow, I'm a player fan! How will I recover?!? Have fun with Porker Pau and Mills next season! :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting LeBron masterminded Kawhi faking an injury and sitting out. No way he’d ever let himself get implicated in something like that. But putting the bug in his ear? “Hey, Kawhi, wouldn’t it be great if...?” That happens all the time. It’s not all that different from our chattering about it here unless there was already a thread in Kawhi’s mind to pull. Put out the bait and see what nibbles you get. That’s how you play the game.
:lol Yes, I'm sure Kawhi would gladly ruin his own reputation and sit out a year of his career just because LeBron asks him to.

You LeBron haters are something else. It's incredible how you guys have convinced yourselves that one of the classiest players in the league is really a comic-book villain.

[coachmac87]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting LeBron masterminded Kawhi faking an injury and sitting out. No way he’d ever let himself get implicated in something like that. But putting the bug in his ear? “Hey, Kawhi, wouldn’t it be great if...?” That happens all the time. It’s not all that different from our chattering about it here unless there was already a thread in Kawhi’s mind to pull. Put out the bait and see what nibbles you get. That’s how you play the game.


Yeah people also ignore the fact Kawhi wanted out before the season started...but his group and others playing the card the beef states cause of the “ team meeting”

Can’t wait for his Player Tribune letter with improper grammar and punctuation tbh

[objective]

Do you think they have a chance for Chris Paul??

Asking for a friend

The Lakers will have Chris Paul too. In fact, instead of losing Paul for nothing, the rockets will sign and trade for Deng and Ball.

It will be team banana boat, but with Kawhi's lengthy fingers instead of the banana.

Team fingerboat gets the water churning.

[LkrFan]

Wow. That trade by that idiot is ridiculously bad. No one wants Deng's contract.

You playing checkers, I see. Expiring contracts are extremely valuable. Once upon a time the Lakers flipped Kwame for MVPau. But they had to eat a few years of his deal to reap the benefits. 2 rangs later... :downspin:

[coachmac87]

Oh wow, I'm a player fan! How will I recover?!? Have fun with Porker Pau and Mills next season! :lmao

Well at least you’ve admitted being a faggot...

[coachmac87]

The Lakers will have Chris Paul too. In fact, instead of losing Paul for nothing, the rockets will sign and trade for Deng and Ball.

It will be team banana boat, but with Kawhi's lengthy fingers instead of the banana.

Team fingerboat gets the water churning.

Holy shit :lol

[RD2191]

Well at least you’ve admitted being a faggot...

Gay fantasies again? Smh. You're sick.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Oh wow, I'm a player fan! How will I recover?!? Have fun with Porker Pau and Mills next season! :lmao

How does it feel to be so fucking retarded you have hitched your wagon to an autistic mute that quit on a championship caliber team last year to nurse his gaping sore little pussy? You are a fucking faggot and I look forward to the day I never have to see your low IQ posts on this board again.

[RD2191]

You playing checkers, I see. Expiring contracts are extremely valuable. Once upon a time the Lakers flipped Kwame for MVPau. But they had to eat a few years of his deal to reap the benefits. 2 rangs later... :downspin:

Juan Carlos bodying spur fan :wow

[RD2191]

How does it feel to be so fucking retarded you have hitched your wagon to an autistic mute that quit on a championship caliber team last year to nurse his gaping sore little pussy? You are a fucking faggot and I look forward to the day I never have to see your low IQ posts on this board again.

How does it feel to be a little bitch? :lol grown men so emotional over a man not wanting to play for their team. It's pathetic. You must have a really shitty life if an NBA player means this much to you :lol

[coachmac87]

:lol Yes, I'm sure Kawhi would gladly ruin his own reputation and sit out a year of his career just because LeBron asks him to.

You LeBron haters are something else. It's incredible how you guys have convinced yourselves that one of the classiest players in the league is really a comic-book villain.


Can you think outside the box?

Kawhi and his group LeBron was bolting for LA (rumored for 2 years)...

Playing for Lakers is Kawhi dream...so he used the medical sit out to make sure he wouldn’t have to weasel out of 3yrs of winning 60 games or getting hurt

Butttt it could be backfiring