Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[ducks]

james wants a quick decision why the hell does he think he is the king or something

[gambit1990]

i'd rather get kemba + gilchrist for kawhi + gasol over just letting kawhi walk. works out in the trade machine.

[ducks]

IF we were to make a deal with LA, I could see Danny being included. Lebron would sign off on it (they’ve been good friends for years) and he’d give them a solid 3&D option beside Lebron and Kawhi. He’s also Kawhi’s best friend on the team. Just food for thought.

james would be tougher on leonard then pop also rumor is leonard does not want james on lakers if he goes there

[spurraider21]

Then LeBron signs with the Spurs then the Spurs traded Kawhi for some good pieces. :toast
spurs secretly agree to terms with lebron first

then trade disgruntled kiwi to lakers for the farm, with them thinking they will land lebron. they agree to take on Pau contract.

spurs then sign lebron to pair him with aldrdige, ingram, etc

[SAGirl]

I hope Pop is in a good place, right now..

The attacks are going to come harder, the Spurs are going to need him to present a strong anti-Trump rant, it'll put ESPN and the rest of the NBA media in a difficult position, they won't be able to stay mad at him..

:lol

[Baam]

Don't believe the Lakers thing. Pop would never do it, that shit would haunt him to the grave.

I think they're just putting pressure on Philly.

[daslicer]

If the Spurs actually do a trade with the Lakers than I would throw away my spurs fandom. I could not be a fan of an organization that straight up got cucked.

[Mugen]

Unless, the Lakers somehow pull some lottery picks out of their asses, trading Kawhi now to them would be a horrible decision.

I've been saying that RC and Pop will cave soon so it wouldn't surprise me but what a horrible, horrible move if it happens.

[BatManu20]

Don't believe the Lakers thing. Pop would never do it, that shit would haunt him to the grave.

I think they're just putting pressure on Philly.


Agreed. Unless it’s an offer that absolutely blows PATFO out of the water, I don’t think they trade Kawhi to La La Land.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. Unless it’s an offer that absolutely blows PATFO out of the water, I don’t think they trade Kawhi to La La Land.
i dont think the lakers are even capable of assembling an offer that blows them out of the water. would would that even be? ingram, kuzma, lonzo and picks?

[HarlemHeat37]

IF we were to make a deal with LA, I could see Danny being included. Lebron would sign off on it (they’ve been good friends for years) and he’d give them a solid 3&D option beside Lebron and Kawhi. He’s also Kawhi’s best friend on the team. Just food for thought.

Feels stupid for the Spurs to give up an expiring deal rather than making them take back Pau or Mills, no?

[HarlemHeat37]

Only way I make the Lakers deal is if Silver agrees to rig the draft for the Spurs as a consolation prize..

[r0drig0lac]

new article from ESPN (WOJ) saying that the Lakers are feeling pressure to get a deal done b/c LBJ doesn't want to be the first FA to sign there, and they are worried now that PG may stay in OKC.

If the Spurs are going to move him, this is good and can cause the price to increase.

Also mentions the Lakers have been hunting for future 1st round picks to sweeten the deal. Imagine that means Ball is being shopped.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/10Jpr9KSaXLchW/200.webp

[Spurs9]

Only way I make the Lakers deal is if Silver agrees to rig the draft for the Spurs as a consolation prize..

:lol

[BatManu20]

Feels stupid for the Spurs to give up an expiring deal rather than making them take back Pau or Mills, no?

In a hypothetical deal, they’d be taking Patty back. The Lakers are going to need Guards/shooters if they pair Lebron and Kawhi. So Kawhi, Danny, & Patty for Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, & 2 1st Round picks (or something along those lines) would be ideal.

Dont see the Lakers offering all that though so I don’t think a deal happens. If PATFO take less than that, they’re getting fleeced.

[RD2191]

Damn, Pop gonna get cucked by Magic, feelsbadman tbh

[r0drig0lac]

Maybe Uncle Dennis' plan was Philly all along and LA was just a distraction so the Spurs could feel like they're not giving Leonard what he wants.

https://readjack.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/wee-bey-reaction-gif.gif?w=525

[cool cat]

Magic is right if Kawhi is dead-set on going to LA. Magic can just wait it out.

Um no, "Los Angeles could be risking a scenario of James staying in Cleveland or going elsewhere and the Spurs trading Leonard to a destination where he becomes comfortable and hedges on joining the Lakers next year."

LA in full panic mode.

[Hoops Czar]

new article from ESPN (WOJ) saying that the Lakers are feeling pressure to get a deal done b/c LBJ doesn't want to be the first FA to sign there, and they are worried now that PG may stay in OKC.

If the Spurs are going to move him, this is good and can cause the price to increase.

Also mentions the Lakers have been hunting for future 1st round picks to sweeten the deal. Imagine that means Ball is being shopped.

If those picks aren't top 10 unprotected, who cares.

[BatManu20]

Meanwhile in LA, Ben Simmons continues to celebrate his ROY award.


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[NickiRasgo]

Don't believe the Lakers thing. Pop would never do it, that shit would haunt him to the grave.

I think they're just putting pressure on Philly.

Agree with this. Pop still furious about the Lakers-Grizziles trade during 2007-2008 season.

[BSfromTX]

I don't care if he gets traded to LA other than the fact that they have nothing good and Ball circus is the LAST thing I would want to have.

Also, if true that KL doesnt want to go to Lakers if LBJ goes then surely that means he doesn't want him in SA if he were staying anyway.

[MoSpur02]

Feels stupid for the Spurs to give up an expiring deal rather than making them take back Pau or Mills, no?

This

[r0drig0lac]

True, but it takes two to tango. It will take a king's ransom to pry Kiwi away...but again, who is willing to give up significant assets for a 1-year rental? If I'm Ainge, I would only do a S&T or no deal. Otherwise he walks to Staples Center.

Edit: looks like Maginka is gonna sweeten the pot:

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:wow

and who cares?

[objective]

Considering how few people buy tickets and even fewer show up to the games to buy concessions/merch/parking ... If they trade Leonard to LA they might as well move to Seattle next year

The few remaining hardcore 5-10,000 fans will be so pissed that nobody will buy tickets, especially if Manu retires

Seriously, Kawhi trade might hurt the valuation of the franchise by tens of millions

[Mugen]

In a hypothetical deal, they’d be taking Patty back. The Lakers are going to need Guards/shooters if they pair Lebron and Kawhi. So Kawhi, Danny, & Patty for Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, & 2 1st Round picks (or something along those lines) would be ideal.

Dont see the Lakers offering all that though so I don’t think a deal happens. If PATFO take less than that, they’re getting fleeced.

Why the fuck would we include Danny then? He's valuable enough to get another asset outside of the Lakers deal.

Taking Ball back would be horrendous, Lakers should absolutely flip his ass for a 1st rounder to include in a deal. Spurs should not take on that risk and hassle at all.

[BillMc]

In a hypothetical deal, they’d be taking Patty back. The Lakers are going to need Guards/shooters if they pair Lebron and Kawhi. So Kawhi, Danny, & Patty for Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, & 2 1st Round picks (or something along those lines) would be ideal.

Dont see the Lakers offering all that though so I don’t think a deal happens. If PATFO take less than that, they’re getting fleeced.


Unless those picks are unprotected and from teams projected to be lousy, I wouldn't care for that much. Kuzma and Ball - meh (plus Daddy Ball) and Ingram still on potential. I'd pass.

[ducks]

...

[NASpurs]

We may lose Kawhi but I'm going to laugh so hard if all the Lakers get is a damaged Boogie Cousins and their hopes for a fruitful offseason blows up in their face. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Considering how few people buy tickets and even fewer show up to the games to buy concessions/merch/parking ... If they trade Leonard to LA they might as well move to Seattle next year

The few remaining hardcore 5-10,000 fans will be so pissed that nobody will buy tickets, especially if Manu retires

Seriously, Kawhi trade might hurt the valuation of the franchise by tens of millions

Maybe the Spurs should take Lonzo then:lol

He's really bad at basketball, but he would sell tickets..

[ducks]

and who cares?

liberal espn

[K...]

Considering how few people buy tickets and even fewer show up to the games to buy concessions/merch/parking ... If they trade Leonard to LA they might as well move to Seattle next year

The few remaining hardcore 5-10,000 fans will be so pissed that nobody will buy tickets, especially if Manu retires

Seriously, Kawhi trade might hurt the valuation of the franchise by tens of millions

This is a stale point, they've been quite good selling, and they keep money whether you show or not!

Add to that favorable lease terms and your comment is now dumb as shit

[objective]

Ingram and Kuzma are such a joke

Firsts from the end of the round are equal crap

[exstatic]

Two high lottery picks, Ingram, Hart, and they take back a shitty contract like Patty.

If they come to the table with that, then the Spurs should listen.

They'll have to dump Ball, Kuz, and Randle to get those picks so good luck to them. But you don't settle for anything less.

How are they going to get high lottery picks for those players?

[spurs10]

Lol. This retards uncle is going to cost him 2 years of playing time and 80 million dollars :lmao
My thoughts exactly, plus he will be suspended and/or sued for anther $20 million. So Uncle Dennis will cost him two years of not playing and $100 million. Great management! Did he get fired from his bank for moves like these.

[r0drig0lac]

The dude is still progressing and when he puts some more muscle on then I feel like he’ll be a good player. But people here are trashing on him for no reason, imo. They talk about our development of players but then act like we wouldn’t be able to develop him into a really good player. His only major problem is injuries (which is a big concern) but with muscle that injury concern goes down a bit.

Ingram will be a better player than Brown, Tatum and other overrated shit

[BatManu20]

Unless those picks are unprotected and from teams projected to be lousy, I wouldn't care for that much. Kuzma and Ball - meh (plus Daddy Ball) and Ingram still on potential. I'd pass.


Yea like I stated before, Ball would be moved to another team for a lottery pick, young player, or both. Fultz would be ideal, but not sure Philly wants Lonzo, despite rumors they were willing to move Fultz during the draft. Either way, Ingram, Kuzma, & Fultz (or another young player or lottery pick) + them taking Patty off our hands is probably the most you’re going to get for Kawhi at this point. Don’t see Boston offering up Tatum at any point so it’s either that or Philly’s package offer, whatever that may be.

[Mugen]

I'll believe the Kawhi being "adamant" about not being with the Spurs anymore when it's reported by mouthpiece Jabari tbh.

[exstatic]

Trade Kawhi and Patty for Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, & 1st Round pick. Then offer Ball and that 1st to Philly for Fultz, a guy they were reportedly looking to trade to move into the Top 5 of this year’s draft.

You net Ingram, Kuzma, and Fultz for Kawhi while getting rid of Mills’ contract. Bada Bing bada boom. (Never happening, but I wouldn’t complain).

:lol Bret Brown would not want any part of BBB any more than Pop would.

[BillMc]

My thoughts exactly, plus he will be suspended and/or sued for anther $20 million. So Uncle Dennis will cost him two years of not playing and $100 million. Great management! Did he get fired from his bank for moves like these.

Pretty sure Uncle dennis ran Enron. Or Neverland Ranch. Can't remember which.

[gambit1990]

Maybe the Spurs should take Lonzo then:lol

He's really bad at basketball, but he would sell tickets..
he won’t. he’s not worth watching and people in san antonio are cheap as it is.

[NASpurs]

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[K...]

Also the Lakers desperation drivees down lonzos price. They be lucky to get a high second

[BatManu20]

:lol Bret Brown would not want any part of BBB any more than Pop would.

Agreed, which is why I said it’s not going to happen.

[exstatic]

If you can get all 3 of Ingram, Kuzma, and Lonzo in a deal for Kawhi, you do it. Plenty of teams out there that would trade for him and you’d net another asset, whether it be a young player, a lottery pick, or both.

Garbage. I'd rather take Jaylen, and shake Boston down for one or both of those picks, and I don't even like Jaylen that much.

[vander]

Lol. This retards uncle is going to cost him 2 years of playing time and 80 million dollars :lmao

the 80 mill that people are throwing around, it that the difference between an extension and FA contract? or the difference between supermax and regular max extension?

[Jules_Winnfield]

https://youtu.be/S5n-isugxZo?t=1m15s

"on to the next one" LMAO

my god :lol

[gambit1990]

i’m just hoping lebron and manu go to philly at this point :lobt2:

[BatManu20]

Also the Lakers desperation drivees down lonzos price. They be lucky to get a high second

Lol no. There are plenty of the teams out there that would trade a first round pick for Lonzo at least, despite his moronic father. Guaranteed.

[cool cat]

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How much does that cost them?

[BatManu20]

Garbage. I'd rather take Jaylen, and shake Boston down for one or both of those picks, and I don't even like Jaylen that much.

I would too, but I don’t see any way Ainge trades Brown + both picks for a one year rental... I might wrong, but I doubt it.

[Clipper Nation]

Can't wait for Jerry to trade DJ and Gallinari for Kawhi. :downspin:

[MR-Clutch]

I prefer a package of Brown and the Memphis and Sacramento picks. Brown is 21 and has a lot of room to grow. He would have to develop a reliable 3 pt shot to work with Murray but would give us a great young core. A lotto pick or even two if we can get that Memphis pick next year sounds a lot more enticing to me than any of the Lakers assets outside of Ingram.

[spurs10]

Pretty sure Uncle dennis ran Enron. Or Neverland Ranch. Can't remember which. :lol Thanks for the laugh! It really is a stupid move to try and force PATFO into something they don't seem interested in. My answer would be 'see ya in September in one court or another...your call."

[SAGirl]

trade Kiwi for the GOAT:
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[Hoops Czar]

trade Kiwi for the GOAT:
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I'd definitely do a sign and trade with Kyle Anderson.

[objective]

This is a stale point, they've been quite good selling, and they keep money whether you show or not!

Add to that favorable lease terms and your comment is now dumb as shit

:lol that building is empty, the lower bowl is like a dead zone. And the season ticket renewals must be plummeting

And their lease is favorable, yes. But it's not free money.

Just opening the doors and turning the lights on for the Stars lost them so much money they had to get rid of them, PR hit be damned. And the WNBA doesn't pay shit, that's why Becky had to sell out her own country just to play for rubles in the off-season in Russia.

[exstatic]

So the Spurs are now actively talking to Lakers?

Those are questions, unknowns, not positions. I doubt Pop would ever deal with Magic.

[gambit1990]

trade Kiwi for the GOAT:
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after she shoots her second shot she holds the defender's hand :lol

[Mugen]

OK, I've been watching your shit takes all day, and you're just fucking stupid. LA DOES NOT WANT SALARY BACK. DANNY MAKES $10M. THAT BLOWS UP THE SUPER TEAM.

:lol Calm down, ex. It'll all be over soon.

[Extra Stout]

the 80 mill that people are throwing around, it that the difference between an extension and FA contract? or the difference between supermax and regular max extension?
It’s the difference between the $179 million he can get if he signs an extension wherever he gets traded, and the $99 million or so the Lakers could offer if they sign two max free agents this summer.

If they strike out this summer, that doesn’t apply, and I think he could get around $139 million. But he would be stranded on a mediocre team with little help.

[MR-Clutch]

I would too, but I don’t see any way Ainge trades Brown + both picks for a one year rental... I might wrong, but I doubt it.

I think if George stays in OKC, it may change the situation some. It's hard for me to imagine Kawhi's group would really burn bridges with another franchise, one as respected as the celtics. I'm guessing Kawhi would love to be coached by Brad Stevens as well. I imagine being on the top team in the east would put some pressure on Kawhi and his group to resign. If I'm Ainge, I'm fairly confident in my ability to keep Kawhi but you should never underestimate stupid and his group has certainly show their stupidity through all this.

[gambit1990]

nba should dump the wnba... does the nba not have a CFO? :lol

[Big Empty]

Spurs simply need to get the best package and pull the trigger.

[gambit1990]

people have mentioned that the spurs have agreed to be at the at&t center until 2032 or something... how much would it cost the spurs to get out of that agreement?

[Spurs da champs]

OK, I've been watching your shit takes all day, and you're just fucking stupid. LA DOES NOT WANT SALARY BACK. DANNY MAKES $10M. THAT BLOWS UP THE SUPER TEAM.
Lmao, Philly taking Lonzo was the worst one.

[sasaint]

I haven't followed Lakers at all. Ingram was a no 2 draft pick. Did he not pan out?

Had some moments. Still a lot to prove.

[SAGirl]

after she shoots her second shot she holds the defender's hand :lol
she was killing it in that game... don't watch her much, but she's really something.

[exstatic]

A lot rides on what PG13 does. If he stays with an OKC team that got bounced in the first round, it makes The Group's threats to leave where SA would trade him much less credible, like
$40M less credible.

[Hoops Czar]

If Kawhi goes to LA, I can see Lebron staying in Cleveland.

[cool cat]

the 80 mill that people are throwing around, it that the difference between an extension and FA contract? or the difference between supermax and regular max extension?

$219 mil 5 years Supermax
$188 mil 5 years if traded and resigned (The LA deal)
$139 mil 4 year if traded and resigns with a different team (what the spurs can force on him)

You can sign shorter deals and get small increases each year when the cap is raised but getting the years is guaranteed money, big risk taking short deals because of injury's.

[RD2191]

$219 mil 5 years Supermax
$188 mil 5 years if traded and resigned (The LA deal)
$139 mil 4 year if traded and resigns with a different team (what the spurs can force on him)

You can sign shorter deals and get small increases each year when the cap is raised but getting the years is guaranteed money, big risk taking short deals because of injury's.

This is assuming PATFO has even offered the supermax.

[picnroll]

I think it’s pretty much an absolute guarantee if Spurs can’t retain Leonard long term and don’t get an offer they like quite a bit Leonard doesn’t get moved until the trade deadline for the best offer. Will Leonard hold out until the teade deadline in that case? No loss then, just improve the Spurs’ lottery pick and give the younguns playing time.

[Hoops Czar]

$219 mil 5 years Supermax
$188 mil 5 years if traded and resigned (The LA deal)
$139 mil 4 year if traded and resigns with a different team (what the spurs can force on him)

You can sign shorter deals and get small increases each year when the cap is raised but getting the years is guaranteed money, big risk taking short deals because of injury's.

Probably the Prime reason PG is having second thoughts about leaving OKC.

[picnroll]

This is assuming PATFO has even offered the supermax.

That’s not including Cali state tax too.

[DPG21920]

Probably the Prime reason PG is having second thoughts about leaving OKC.

Exactly. Money matters. I also don’t understand the narrative of LA staying cocky if they lose out on PG. PG said he wanted LA, they literally got fined for tampering and if they can’t sign him after all of that because they gave some other team a financial leg up (despite getting bounced in the first round)? :lol

I have painted this picture already. With what LA has promised their fans, along with the long playoff drought it would be a devastating blow to the franchise if they had max cap space and 2 superstars clamoring for them and they end up with neither.

Plus Bron spurning them? They may literally fall into a Suns/Kings like tailspin.

[NASpurs]

$219 mil 5 years Supermax
$188 mil 5 years if traded and resigned (The LA deal)
$139 mil 4 year if traded and resigns with a different team (what the spurs can force on him)

You can sign shorter deals and get small increases each year when the cap is raised but getting the years is guaranteed money, big risk taking short deals because of injury's.

:lol mess with the bull, get the horns. That would be so fucking dirty and I love it.

[Russ]

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Kawhi will never step into the Spurs' locker room again?

Does this mean no more Kawhi HEB commercials?

All that acting talent gone to waste . . .

[exstatic]

I think it’s pretty much an absolute guarantee if Spurs can’t retain Leonard long term and don’t get an offer they like quite a bit Leonard doesn’t get moved until the trade deadline for the best offer. Will Leonard hold out until the teade deadline in that case? No loss then, just improve the Spurs’ lottery pick and give the younguns playing time.

The thing is, if they just hold him long enough for Magic to either panic or get impatient and blow his cap wad somewhere else, the offers will improve overnight. That won't even take long. Even if LeBron is on to what Pop is doing, he certainly won't wait a month, and a month would still give the Spurs 2 1/2 months before the season to field offers.

[DPG21920]

LA needs to engage a third team to make this work like myself and others have said. Something like PHX.

If you can get SA Ingram + Josh Jackson and a pick (so move Lonzo to PHX for Josh) and it nets you Lebron + Kawhi you do it.

Does PHX value having their PG for the future instead of Jackson? I don’t know, but LA needs to push for that so they can bring 2 young prospects to the table.

They would likely be giving up Ball, Ingram, Kuz and maybe some more but if that nets you Kawhi + Bron? You do it.

[DPG21920]

Am I missin something here? Even in the Woj article, he stated that LA would have more leverage if they signed PG/Bron. How? Kawhi, if he gets to free agency would already be down 80M guaranteed coming off a year off. Even if LA somehow cleared ALL the salary off their books except Lebron and PG, they still wouldn’t be at Kawhi’s max.

They think Kawhi would give up 80M and then walk to them in free agency in 2019 (with his injury history) and not get his max?

I really don’t understand this thinking.

[Clipper Nation]

Exactly. Money matters. I also don’t understand the narrative of LA staying cocky if they lose out on PG. PG said he wanted LA, they literally got fined for tampering and if they can’t sign him after all of that because they gave some other team a financial leg up (despite getting bounced in the first round)? :lol

I have painted this picture already. With what LA has promised their fans, along with the long playoff drought it would be a devastating blow to the franchise if they had max cap space and 2 superstars clamoring for them and they end up with neither.

Plus Bron spurning them? They may literally fall into a Suns/Kings like tailspin.

And then when they strike out again in 2019, Magic quits, and they have to hire a new GM all over again, it will set them back even further.

Thank God they told Jerry West that they didn't need him and hired Magic's dumb ass instead. The Lakers would already have LeBron, Kawhi and George on lock if the Logo was their GM. Now it looks like they might not get any of them.

[cool cat]

That’s not including Cali state tax too.

I considered that, but it's 10% for home games, away games get taxed where they are played so it's the same for each team/player.

So it's around 9.4 mil & 7 mil. Probably made up for with endorsements & savings on property tax so I say it's a wash, but contract money is guaranteed and endorsement money is not.

[exstatic]

LA needs to engage a third team to make this work like myself and others have said. Something like PHX.

If you can get SA Ingram + Josh Jackson and a pick (so move Lonzo to PHX for Josh) and it nets you Lebron + Kawhi you do it.

Does PHX value having their PG for the future instead of Jackson? I don’t know, but LA needs to push for that so they can bring 2 young prospects to the table.

They would likely be giving up Ball, Ingram, Kuz and maybe some more but if that nets you Kawhi + Bron? You do it.

I think LA is so asset poor that it wouldn't matter if you brought in a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team. The player calculus just doesn't work. Someone would just have to absolutely agree to be bent over. I can't ever see PHO flipping JJ for BBB.

[objective]

The thing is, if they just hold him long enough for Magic to either panic or get impatient and blow his cap wad somewhere else, the offers will improve overnight. That won't even take long. Even if LeBron is on to what Pop is doing, he certainly won't wait a month, and a month would still give the Spurs 2 1/2 months before the season to field offers.

Good point. Once the threat of 'only signing the the Lakers' is shat on by getting LeBron and PG, teams won't have to worry and can concentrate on getting Kawhi and building a relationship with him.

[K...]

Convince magic to trade lonzo plus first to Suns for something other than Jackson, turn around and trade kathi to Phoenix for the Lakers and Suns first plus jakson and Bridges

Lakers get medicrioty, Suns get a player, kathi gets Daddy ball

[DPG21920]

I think LA is so asset poor that it wouldn't matter if you brought in a 3rd, 4th, or 5th team. The player calculus just doesn't work. Someone would just have to absolutely agree to be bent over. I can't ever see PHO flipping JJ for BBB.

Someone has to value Lonzo pretty highly though. He was not amazing, but he was a big plus on defense, showed elite passing and court vision and just needs his shot. Worst case he’s Ricky Rubio which is still good. Best case is he’s Rubio with more scoring.

Will be interesting to see his value if it comes to that.

[spurs10]

It’s the difference between the $179 million he can get if he signs an extension wherever he gets traded, and the $99 million or so the Lakers could offer if they sign two max free agents this summer.

If they strike out this summer, that doesn’t apply, and I think he could get around $139 million. But he would be stranded on a mediocre team with little help.

I believe the $80 million is the difference in the super-max, $219;million, which only the Spurs can offer, and the $139 million another team can offer.

[Hoops Czar]

Convince magic to trade lonzo plus first to Suns for something other than Jackson, turn around and trade kathi to Phoenix for the Lakers and Suns first plus jakson and Bridges

Lakers get medicrioty, Suns get a player, kathi gets Daddy ball

Three way trade

Spurs get:
Kyrie
Kuzma
Ingram
Lakers 2019

Celtics get:
Lonzo

Lakers get:
Kawhi

[spurs10]

Kyrie? Yeah as long as we're dreaming.

[lmbebo]

Just thinking out loud - if this drags into the season and Kwahi refuses to report claiming another "medical ailment", grounds for Spurs to suspend Kwahi? There needs to be a way for the Spurs to handle this situation (or any other team).

[ducks]

Just thinking out loud - if this drags into the season and Kwahi refuses to report claiming another "medical ailment", grounds for Spurs to suspend Kwahi? There needs to be a way for the Spurs to handle this situation (or any other team).

he be fined
a max contract is like 350k a game adds up quickly

[objective]

I'd like to see a Spurs leak:

'the Spurs like Lonzo but think he's damaged goods and off the table after the Lakers mishandled his knee injury leading to summer injections'

[RD2191]

Just thinking out loud - if this drags into the season and Kwahi refuses to report claiming another "medical ailment", grounds for Spurs to suspend Kwahi? There needs to be a way for the Spurs to handle this situation (or any other team).

That won't happen

[exstatic]

Just thinking out loud - if this drags into the season and Kwahi refuses to report claiming another "medical ailment", grounds for Spurs to suspend Kwahi? There needs to be a way for the Spurs to handle this situation (or any other team).

They had the option last year to involve the league to medically evaluate the situation, and chose not to. I can't imagine them not doing it this year if they keep faking his injury.

[TD 21]

The funny thing is, if Leonard's camp wasn't supposedly trying to force their hand and it wasn't the Lakers, there's no question in my mind that a package built around Ingram and Kuzma, would appeal most to the Spurs. They love Kuzma and Ingram would fit the bill of a Leonard positional replacement with (supposed) star upside.

I don't think they want to take a chance on Fultz and even if they were open to it, they love Murray and because most teams don't need a PG, the best they could probably do is, 2 2nds in the 30s, from the Magic.

If the Spurs can't land Brown or Jackson (in a 3 way trade) and the Lakers up the ante enough (some combination of a 1st, Hart and Randle, who could be rerouted to a 3rd team for another asset), as much as it would pain them, the Spurs might end up doing it anyway.



I would prefer for Murray and Fultz to play together; they'd be a good fit, in theory, Fultz is apparently a bad defender but an excellent shooter (if he ever regains his form) while Murray is an great defender who currently can't shoot. For the "Murray isn't a PG" crew, he'd be sharing playmaking responsibilities with Fultz in a theoretically backcourt.

Fultz, Covington, Miami' unprotected 2021 first rounder, Parsecniks, Anderson, and Bayless. for Kawhi and Mills.

PG-Fultz, Parker
SG-Murray, Manu?, White, Walker, Bayless*,
SF-Covington, Green, J. Anderson
PF- K. Anderson, Bertans
C-Aldridge Gasol, Militinov?, Metu?*,

Hayward, Brown and the Kings pick (I think there is a decent chance that that is a top five pick) for Kawhi and Gasol would be a very great deal.

PG-Murray, Parker,
SG-Brown, Manu? Mills, White, Walker,
SF- Hayward, Green
PF-Anderson, Bertans
C-Aldridge, FA-C, Militinov? Metu?

That trade would allow for the Spurs to be a 50 win team, probably for the next couple of seasons, leading up to the summer of 2020 when LMA hits free agency and Brown and Murray hit RFA.

Fultz and Murray would be a poor fit together. It's unlikely either even becomes an average shooter soon, if at all. Plus, Anderson isn't going anywhere. They'd also have a logjam at guard. Where's the near future path to 25-30 mpg for Walker? That team would lack spacing and go-to scoring.

The Celtics aren't trading Hayward at this juncture and probably not at all. They supposedly may not even budge on Brown.


Lakers panicking making the media means one thing for sure:

The signal fire has been LIT: It's all hands on board for the media to pressure and intimidate the Spurs into dealing Kawhi

Expect a nonstop barrage from everyone from ESPN to Bleacher Report to SB Nation to SI to Yahoo to Stein and every podcast flunky to slander the Spurs and up the pressure

Expect new leaks like the 'never set foot there again' to faking an injury after looking good in camp (promoted by the Dunc'd On Podcast) to even playing nice ('Kawhi loves Pop and looks might return like LeBron to Cleveland if they let him go')

It's going to be 24/7 blitz until LeBron and George settle things

:tu

[exstatic]

I'd like to see a Spurs leak:

'the Spurs like Lonzo but think he's damaged goods and off the table after the Lakers mishandled his knee injury leading to summer intentions'

:lol

[Killakobe81]

Not sure if Lonzo is equal to Josh Jackson... An argument can be made for either. Despite Jackson's superior athleticism, Lonzo was the better defender and rebounder. Neither can shoot yet but for Lonzo that is more of a problem... Since he is a PG.
But for Suns Lonzo is a better fit because he can get open/easy looks for Ayton and Booker. And as Lonzo tries and find his shot pairing him with Booker would be ideal. His defense can help limit Devin's weak D and Bookers shooting is a perfect match for Lonzo's vision.

[objective]

Just thinking out loud - if this drags into the season and Kwahi refuses to report claiming another "medical ailment", grounds for Spurs to suspend Kwahi? There needs to be a way for the Spurs to handle this situation (or any other team).


he be fined
a max contract is like 350k a game adds up quickly

If he sits out long enough for medical reasons the Spurs will get an injury exception for half his cap number

They can then absorb a salary at the trade deadline for what, $11 million

Maybe even squeeze a protected first off a team looking to save on the tax

[look_at_g_shred]

A 3 team trade involving LAL/SAS/PHX makes sense where LAL sends Ball to Suns for JJ. The suns biggest need right now is a PG. Lonzo is in the same age group as suns core. So in that scenario the spurs would receive Ingram/Kuz/Jackson . I'd do that in a heartbeat. Its a win win for everyone imho

[Hoops Czar]

A 3 team trade involving LAL/SAS/PHX makes sense where LAL sends Ball to Suns for JJ. The suns biggest need right now is a PG. Lonzo is in the same age group as suns core. So in that scenario the spurs would receive Ingram/Kuz/Jackson . I'd do that in a heartbeat. Its a win win for everyone imho

If they wouldn't trade JJ for Kyrie, what makes you think they will for Lonzo?

[exstatic]

If they wouldn't trade JJ for Kyrie, what makes you think they will for Lonzo?

#exactly

PHO shut down Cleveland last summer when they wanted Jackson. Kyrie is All NBA.

[Killakobe81]

If they wouldn't trade JJ for Kyrie, what makes you think they will for Lonzo?

Lakers probably have to throw in sweetener.. But JJ was okay not great both Lonzo and Kuz had better rookie years but JJ still has great upside.

[look_at_g_shred]

If they wouldn't trade JJ for Kyrie, what makes you think they will for Lonzo?
Maybe because Kyrie said he wouldn't sign long term. Ball has how many years on his rookie deal? 3?

[marinoman]

No chance its la lakers this season, unreal people even think that may happen

[RD2191]

Spurs won't win this trade. That's long gone. Get the best deal you can even if it's with the Lakers. Letting him walk in free agency shouldn't even be an option.

[baseline bum]

How much does that cost them?

Nothing, they can withdraw the qualifying offer any time they want.

[TD 21]

Spurs probably do it, Suns might do it, but I don't think the Lakers would do all 3 of Ingram, Ball and Kuzma, for Leonard.

Even though I'm not particularly high on Ingram or Jackson and it would appease Leonard and help the Lakers, Spurs couldn't beat that package.

Still, there's no possibility of a superstar in it. That's more than likely a pipedream no matter the package, but at least with assets like the Kings/Grizzlies pick via the Celtics or Fultz, there's a miniscule chance. Those assets don't have as high a floor though.

[marinoman]

Spurs won't win this trade. That's long gone. Get the best deal you can even if it's with the Lakers. Letting him walk in free agency shouldn't even be an option.
Helping a team in the same conference build a superteam, no way

[baseline bum]

It’s the difference between the $179 million he can get if he signs an extension wherever he gets traded, and the $99 million or so the Lakers could offer if they sign two max free agents this summer.

If they strike out this summer, that doesn’t apply, and I think he could get around $139 million. But he would be stranded on a mediocre team with little help.

The number they could offer Kawhi is $99 million only if they sign those two and stretch Deng. If they sign those two and salary dump Deng they should be able to offer 4 years, $130 million after completely cleaning house on everything besides James and George. You gotta wonder if they'd actually want to attach their young guys to Deng this summer though when signing Leonard next summer is so uncertain. Plus LeBron isn't going to LA to help them build for the future, he'd be going to win now and would go ballistic at the thought of the Lakers hoarding cap space for a year after trading their prospects for it when they could sign someone like Cousins, Capella, or Jordan with that money (LeBron was pissed the Cavs didn't trade pick #8 for DeAndre at the deadline).

[Hoops Czar]

Maybe because Kyrie said he wouldn't sign long term. Ball has how many years on his rookie deal? 3?
I think he said he would only sign an extension with one or two teamson his list (Spurs being oner of them) but he wouldn't guarantee a signature from another team. And true to his word, he doesn't plan on signing with the Celtics either. He's going to free agency.

Whomever trades for Lonzo also gets Lavar.

[exstatic]

Spurs won't win this trade. That's long gone. Get the best deal you can even if it's with the Lakers. Letting him walk in free agency shouldn't even be an option.

Depending on how this plays out, sure it should.

a) There is no point in taking out some other team's trash. It only slows your retool or rebuild.
b) If he does the same shit with medical stuff, you hold him to the bitter end, and only give him the least lucrative option: signing somewhere as a FA. Fuck him and his Group.

[InRareForm]

Ingram + others. Ship it magic!

[baseline bum]

Probably the Prime reason PG is having second thoughts about leaving OKC.

ESPN is so full of shit when they keep reporting OKC can offer PG13 the supermax. They can't. Only Indiana could have. It can only be offered by the team that drafted him unless he was traded during his rookie deal. In that case the team that landed him during his rookie deal would be the only ones able to offer supermax. The difference between the Bird deal he could sign in OKC and the deal he could sign in LA is the fifth year in OKC and 8% raises vs 4.5% raises (where the yearly raises are based on the first year salary in both cases, eg non-compounded).

[duncan2150]

I prefer randle To kuzma, if we could have randle ingram and a pick that would not be bad.

[DPG21920]

If they wouldn't trade JJ for Kyrie, what makes you think they will for Lonzo?

Maybe because Lonzo is cheaper and under contract and they didn’t think Kyrie would stay? Who knows.

[DPG21920]

Spurs probably do it, Suns might do it, but I don't think the Lakers would do all 3 of Ingram, Ball and Kuzma, for Leonard.

Even though I'm not particularly high on Ingram or Jackson and it would appease Leonard and help the Lakers, Spurs couldn't beat that package.

Still, there's no possibility of a superstar in it. That's more than likely a pipedream no matter the package, but at least with assets like the Kings/Grizzlies pick via the Celtics or Fultz, there's a miniscule chance. Those assets don't have as high a floor though.

You have to view, if you are the Lakers, in the lense of Ball, Ingram, Kuz for Lebron + Kawhi.

If you know you won’t land Bron without PG or Kawhi and you can get Kawhi for sure, then that means you get Bron. Even if you somehow whiff on Bron, getting a true top 5 player in his prime that will extend is probably worth Kuz/Ball/Ingram.

[baseline bum]

I prefer randle To kuzma, if we could have randle ingram and a pick that would not be bad.

Ugh paying near max for fucking Julian.

[dbreiden83080]

So the Spurs are now actively talking to Lakers?

I doubt it. Why should the Spurs feel rushed because the Lakers are scared they are not getting Lebron? Spurs know they are not getting Lebron, so they should give no Fucks..

[DPG21920]

The number they could offer Kawhi is $99 million only if they sign those two and stretch Deng. If they sign those two and salary dump Deng they should be able to offer 4 years, $130 million after completely cleaning house on everything besides James and George. You gotta wonder if they'd actually want to attach their young guys to Deng this summer though when signing Leonard next summer is so uncertain. Plus LeBron isn't going to LA to help them build for the future, he'd be going to win now and would go ballistic at the thought of the Lakers hoarding cap space for a year after trading their prospects for it when they could sign someone like Cousins, Capella, or Jordan with that money (LeBron was pissed the Cavs didn't trade pick #8 for DeAndre at the deadline).

If that is the case, then you do the trade since in your scenario Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz would all be gone anyways..

Also, letting Kawhi go another year? What if he gets injured again? Now you have nothing there either.

[exstatic]

[Rob] Where are we with the Spurs thing?
[Magic] It just keeps ringing and ringing...

[Dex]

[Rob] Where are we with the Spurs thing?
[Magic] It just keeps ringing and ringing...

yg-TqEFYcfM

[RD2191]

Depending on how this plays out, sure it should.

a) There is no point in taking out some other team's trash. It only slows your retool or rebuild.
b) If he does the same shit with medical stuff, you hold him to the bitter end, and only give him the least lucrative option: signing somewhere as a FA. Fuck him and his Group.

How so? Kuzma and Ingram would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players. Have you seen our roster sans LMA and Kawhi? It's utter dog shit. And rebuild or retool? I don't see free agents lining up to sign with the Spurs any time soon.

[DPG21920]

Ugh paying near max for fucking Julian.

Julian is a damn good player. Would I want him at max? No, but for 15-19M, sure.

[objective]

Depending on how this plays out, sure it should.

a) There is no point in taking out some other team's trash. It only slows your retool or rebuild.
b) If he does the same shit with medical stuff, you hold him to the bitter end, and only give him the least lucrative option: signing somewhere as a FA. Fuck him and his Group.

Exactly

Hell, I'd think the Spurs should consider a Lakers deal BUT FIRST Kawhi needs to apologize and correct the record publicly

His greater sphere of reps and sources have defamed the Spurs, smeared their character, ruined their reputation and cost the franchise millions upon millions of dollars and destroyed their future

He wants the Lakers?

Let's see him beg on TV. Let's see a sit down interview where he admits he quit on the team and admits he could have played but chose not to. Admit there's nothing wrong with the medical staff and front office. Admit the Spurs treated him ABOVE AND BEYOND GREAT. But that he's now looking to put it all behind him and join the Lakers with nothing but love and respect for Pop and the Spurs

Let's see that first

And after that ... Still sit him out.

[dbreiden83080]

This is not getting solved in a week or 10 days. So Lebron can wait it out or re-sign in Cleveland for 1 more year.. Or just pick up his option on Friday..

[RD2191]

I doubt it. Why should the Spurs feel rushed because the Lakers are scared they are not getting Lebron? Spurs know they are not getting Lebron, so they should give no Fucks..


Exactly

Hell, I'd think the Spurs should consider a Lakers deal BUT FIRST Kawhi needs to apologize and correct the record publicly

His greater sphere of reps and sources have defamed the Spurs, smeared their character, ruined their reputation and cost the franchise millions upon millions of dollars and destroyed their future

He wants the Lakers?

Let's see him beg on TV. Let's see a sit down interview where he admits he quit on the team and admits he could have played but chose not to. Admit there's nothing wrong with the medical staff and front office. Admit the Spurs treated him ABOVE AND BEYOND GREAT. But that he's now looking to put it all behind him and join the Lakers with nothing but love and respect for Pop and the Spurs

Let's see that first

And after that ... Still sit him out.

You're a fucking idiot and I'd punch you if I were next to you.

[dbreiden83080]

You're a fucking idiot and I'd punch you if I were next to you.

https://media.tenor.com/images/63d618d47777e50dcb20cf23792c4189/tenor.gif

[daslicer]

Spurs should just hold Kawhi hostage for next season unless they get an offer for Tatum or Ben Simmons.

[TD 21]

You have to view, if you are the Lakers, in the lense of Ball, Ingram, Kuz for Lebron + Kawhi.

If you know you won’t land Bron without PG or Kawhi and you can get Kawhi for sure, then that means you get Bron. Even if you somehow whiff on Bron, getting a true top 5 player in his prime that will extend is probably worth Kuz/Ball/Ingram.

I know. But like I said, I don't think it'll be necessary to go to that extent. If the Spurs can't land Brown or Jackson (in a 3 team trade), Ingram, Kuzma, some combination of a 1st, Hart and Randle (rerouted to a 3rd team for another asset) and the ability to take back Gasol or Mills, still probably wins in the end.

[baseline bum]

If that is the case, then you do the trade since in your scenario Lonzo, Ingram, Kuz would all be gone anyways..

Also, letting Kawhi go another year? What if he gets injured again? Now you have nothing there either.

Yeah I don't see the Lakers holding out for Kawhi if they land PG13 and LeBron. ESPN is so full of shit acting like LA landing those two gives the Lakers more leverage. The Lakers best leverage would be if they sign PG13 but LeBron stays in Cleveland. Then they'd probably keep Randle and attach Ingram or Ball to Deng next summer to create the capspace to land Kawhi.

[objective]

How so? Kuzma and Ingram would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players. Have you seen our roster sans LMA and Kawhi? It's utter dog shit. And rebuild or retool? I don't see free agents lining up to sign with the Spurs any time soon.

I doubt they are 2nd and 3rd. They had the green light to vomit up numbers on a crap team and were so inefficient they were both below average PER players

Meanwhile Kawhi wins a ring, the media celebrates, and everyone laughs at the Spurs

[exstatic]

How so? Kuzma and Ingram would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players. Have you seen our roster sans LMA and Kawhi? It's utter dog shit. And rebuild or retool? I don't see free agents lining up to sign with the Spurs any time soon.

You don't rebuild with FAs. This would be the 'burn it to the ground' scenario. You absolutely reject the Lakers in that case. Why add mediocre players to mediocre players?

I don't think it will come to that, though. Magic and Pelinka will blink when LeBron gets impatient, fill their cap up, and the offers from Bos and Phi will increase overnight.

[RD2191]

https://media.tenor.com/images/63d618d47777e50dcb20cf23792c4189/tenor.gif

I didn't mean to qoute you on that one :lol my bad

[DPG21920]

I know. But like I said, I don't think it'll be necessary to go to that extent. If the Spurs can't land Brown or Jackson (in a 3 team trade), Ingram, Kuzma, some combination of a 1st, Hart and Randle (rerouted to a 3rd team for another asset) and the ability to take back Gasol or Mills, still probably wins in the end.

I would much rather have Jackson than dump Gasol/Mills, but yeah, in reality that might end up being the case.

[mclinejr]

You're a fucking idiot and I'd punch you if I were next to you.

Curious question for you...

Do you think Kawhi has done nothing wrong throughout this saga?

[baseline bum]

Julian is a damn good player. Would I want him at max? No, but for 15-19M, sure.

That's not likely to be his market value. Plus he'll be in a really strong position to negotiate if a blockbuster trade deal relies on his approval. You think he wants to take a discount to leave LA for San Antonio? I doubt it.

[RD2191]

I doubt they are 2nd and 3rd. They had the green light to vomit up numbers on a crap team and were so inefficient they were both below average PER players

Meanwhile Kawhi wins a ring, the media celebrates, and everyone laughs at the Spurs

They laugh anyways so who gives a shit. I just don't see how you can let Kawhi walk for nothing. 16 ppt on 47% isn't bad for Ingram tbh fwiw. And 16 on 45% for kuzma isn't that bad either. They're still rookies in a sense. Plenty time to develop into more efficient players.

[DPG21920]

That's not likely to be his market value. Plus he'll be in a really strong position to negotiate if a blockbuster trade deal relies on his approval. You think he wants to take a discount to leave LA for San Antonio? I doubt it.

I think Julius has already been rumored to not be in love with the Lakers. I think he wants to get paid, but who knows what his offers will be. Some team may max him, but if not, I would love Randle/Ingram with other assets.

[RD2191]

Curious question for you...

Do you think Kawhi has done nothing wrong throughout this saga?

The only thing he's done wrong imo is let speculation run wild. He could've/should've made some statements earlier just to clear the air.

[look_at_g_shred]

Just need to wait and see where LBJ and PG sign

[mclinejr]

The only thing he's done wrong imo is let speculation run wild. He could've/should've made some statements earlier just to clear the air.

Agreed.

[TD 21]

I would much rather have Jackson than dump Gasol/Mills, but yeah, in reality that might end up being the case.

Sure, but that's from a Spurs perspective. They have more leverage than the (mostly biased) media has made it seem like up until today, but not as much as many on this board seem to think either. As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

As an aside, since I'd still be surprised if this gets resolved anytime soon (unless the Spurs can get what you proposed), I'll be watching for Gay's free agency as a clue as to whether a deal with the Lakers ultimately gets done. If he's not re-signed, think it's more likely because they'll know they're getting Kuzma, whose effectively a younger replacement.

[objective]

They laugh anyways so who gives a shit. I just don't see how you can let Kawhi walk for nothing. 16 ppt on 47% isn't bad for Ingram tbh fwiw. And 16 on 45% for kuzma isn't that bad either. They're still rookies in a sense. Plenty time to develop into more efficient players.

I think Kuzma's one of those guys whose rookie and second years are the best of his career. I don't buy him as a real 3rd best player.

Ingram is okay.

But Kawhi has done the Spurs wrong.

I've already laid out in detail how well the Spurs accommodate players. Nobody can even dispute any of it, just lose their temper.

If he had done it right he'd be a Laker yesterday.

[spurraider21]

crofl, simmons isn't remotely close to being in any way tradeable

[r0drig0lac]

crofl, simmons isn't remotely close to being in any way tradeable

[look_at_g_shred]

Well my plans for tonight are to have some beers, and watch highlights of all the supposed players involved in the trade talks.

[baseline bum]

I think Julius has already been rumored to not be in love with the Lakers. I think he wants to get paid, but who knows what his offers will be. Some team may max him, but if not, I would love Randle/Ingram with other assets.

Millsap is on a 30% max salary and so is Horford, and Randle is better than both of them. You don't think he's going to get 25% max salary offers and that he could be had for Gasol or Mozgov money?

[spurschamps99030507]

Exactly

Hell, I'd think the Spurs should consider a Lakers deal BUT FIRST Kawhi needs to apologize and correct the record publicly

His greater sphere of reps and sources have defamed the Spurs, smeared their character, ruined their reputation and cost the franchise millions upon millions of dollars and destroyed their future

He wants the Lakers?

Let's see him beg on TV. Let's see a sit down interview where he admits he quit on the team and admits he could have played but chose not to. Admit there's nothing wrong with the medical staff and front office. Admit the Spurs treated him ABOVE AND BEYOND GREAT. But that he's now looking to put it all behind him and join the Lakers with nothing but love and respect for Pop and the Spurs

Let's see that first

And after that ... Still sit him out.

100% agree

[Marcus Bryant]

I doubt it. Why should the Spurs feel rushed because the Lakers are scared they are not getting Lebron? Spurs know they are not getting Lebron, so they should give no Fucks..

Yes, NFG.

[Robz4000]

Millsap is on a 30% max salary and so is Horford, and Randle is better than both of them. You don't think he's going to get 25% max salary offers and that he could be had for Gasol or Mozgov money?

Randle fucking sucks; he's another hyped-up Lakers scrub that is barely marginally better than an average player. And I hate Al Horford. Some team will inevitably hand him a max contract because he's a hyped up Laker scrub, however.

[gambit1990]

man, if gallinari wasn't made of glass i'd easily take him + deandre for kawhi + gasol over anything the lakers could offer.

murray/patty, white
walker/manu
gallinari/green
la/bertans
deandre/metu

[baseline bum]

Randle fucking sucks; he's another hyped-up Lakers scrub that is barely marginally better than an average player. And I hate Al Horford. Some team will inevitably hand him a max contract because he's a hyped up Laker scrub, however.

I don't want Randle either. But I wouldn't want Millsap or Horford. He's young and puts up numbers so he's going to get max offers most likely.

[exstatic]

LeBron doesn't want to be first.

PG probably doesn't, either. He stands to lose a lot of money by leaving OKC.

Spurs won't trade Kawhi to the LAL

[objective]

Randle fucking sucks; he's another hyped-up Lakers scrub that is barely marginally better than an average player. And I hate Al Horford. Some team will inevitably hand him a max contract because he's a hyped up Laker scrub, however.

Ehhhh, I like his defense on the switch

Considering the free agent market he might not get a big offer. But as an unrestricted next summer when there's going to be double the available cap room compared to this summer, he could get close to max

[look_at_g_shred]

Randle isn't elite but he isn't a scrub either.

[Marcus Bryant]

:lol at the false sense of urgency. What part of under contract don't you understand?

[Robz4000]

I don't want Randle either. But I wouldn't want Millsap or Horford. He's young and puts up numbers so he's going to get max offers most likely.

Same, however I will say Millsap/Horford >> Randle even though it's like comparing shit to vomit.

[daslicer]

:lol at the false sense of urgency. What part of under contract don't you understand?

It's just a narrative the media is pushing because they want the Lakers to acquire Kawhi. The Lakers have a bunch of trash that's why I laugh when they say the Spurs will never get a better offer than now.

[duncan2150]

I doubt randle will have a full Max offer, imo he’s a better prospect than ingram or kuzma.

i would not take a Lakers offer Without him in sign and trade.

[baseline bum]

Ehhhh, I like his defense on the switch

Considering the free agent market he might not get a big offer. But as an unrestricted next summer when there's going to be double the available cap room compared to this summer, he could get close to max

Phoenix, Dallas, Indiana, Atlanta, and Sacramento will all be able to offer him deals for the max or near that.

[Spurs da champs]

man, if gallinari wasn't made of glass i'd easily take him + deandre for kawhi + gasol over anything the lakers could offer.

murray/patty, white
walker/manu
gallinari/green
la/bertans
deandre/metu
Jordan & Galinari are both overpriced af. They don't help the Spurs, Jordan might have a while back but definitely not now.

[duncan2150]

Phoenix, Dallas, Indiana, Atlanta, and Sacramento will all be able to offer him deals for the max or near that.
Ok with yout list except Sacramento With bagley. They will not give a Max To randle.

[lmbebo]

Just thinking about this hysteria about LAL and PG13 ... guy is doing a 3 part ESPN series about his free agency (who cares?). Doubt he does that unless he left for LA ....

[BatManu20]

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[Russ]

The only thing he's done wrong imo is let speculation run wild. He could've/should've made some statements earlier just to clear the air.

So then he's still got an opportunity to right that "only" wrong -- a statement to clear the air -- right?

Any bets?

[Spurs da champs]

So then he's still got an opportunity to right that "only" wrong -- a statement to clear the air -- right?

Any bets?

He don't have the balls or brains too. This whole situation puts him in a negative light.

[BackHome]

No he is gone You don’t sit out a year and get paid 18 million only to demand a trade to the Flakers. Fuck this fool.

[cd021]

You're right about Philly. I must have forgot to include Embiids 25% of cap max salary into my numbers for them. Looks like there is no way they can keep Reddick if the sign LeBron.

For the Boston trade, if by good you mean middle of the pack playoff team, then yeah, probably. I'd much rather take Tatum and the Kings pick or even the Memphis one plus whatever matching salary needs to be thrown in. I still think a Leonard + James duo in Philly would force Ainge's hand, though not being able to have Reddick or Belinelli on that team is a definite blow.


PG-Murray, Parker
SG-Brown, Mills
SF-Hayward Green
PF-Anderson,Bertans
C-Aldridge, FA,


I think that's a top 4 team in the West behind Houston, GSW, and maybe a heathly OKC team if PG is back. Deep with with solid defenders at every position and shooting off the bench, a much better version of the 47 win 17-18 team.

I still am skeptical of the Lebron-Kawhi to 76er's thing, though it is certainly possible. Tatum is off the table; moving Brown, Hayward, and Tautum for Kawhi to pair him Kyrie and Horford doesn't make any sense whatsoever for Ainge and the C's

Kawhi, Horford, and Kyrie

vs.

Lebron, Embiid and Simmons

that is probably still advantage 76ers and there is no guarantee Kyirie even stays, Kawhi too. The 76ers would still have Covington, Saric, and could re-sign Beli, Illyasova while the C's would have a supporting cast of Rozier, Smart & Morris.

I think the C's wouldn't be able to beat that Philly team.

I think Ainge's absolute best offer would be Hayward, Brown, Kings and Grizzlies 2019 pick

that would leave them with Kawhi, Horford, Tatum and Kyrie and all of their own picks going forward, potientially giving them the heads up in a head to head matchup with the 76ers

[cd021]

Maybe PG has a good relationship with Westbrook but PG ln the Lakers has more potential. People forget how young and good Ingram, Kuzma, and Lonzo have looked so far. Plus Brook Lopez, Josh Hart, and possibly Julius Randle is nothing to sneeze at either. They have room for one more guy too. Possibly Kemba, Cousins, or Lebron.

That Lakers squad just isn't good tbh. Ingram is meh to me, Kuzma and Hart are fine, and Ball is probably a bit overhyped for a player that probably maxes out as an above average starting PG. I don't think adding PG to that mix is anywhere near a playoff team.

[CGD]

If Lakers can flip Ball into a decent future first, I thinks that’s a game changer. Ingram + 2 first rounders should get them into the convo.

[CGD]

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Love these meaningless tweets. The subtle use of “should” over “could” takes it from rumor to outright bs speculation

[DPG21920]

:lol at the false sense of urgency. What part of under contract don't you understand?

It’s not the Spurs that are feeling the sense of urgency; it’s LA. But, if SA truly knows Kawhi is gone, trading him earlier in free agency is best so they can use free agency to build too.

[cool cat]

Spurs need to go in like this!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KbzLHvEPf8

[TekXX]

Why would we want anything from LA? They got nothing. Fuck LA

[exstatic]

If Lakers can flip Ball into a decent future first, I thinks that’s a game changer. Ingram + 2 first rounders should get them into the convo.

The hilarious thing is now everyone knows that the Lakers aren't in a position of strength, that they NEED to make a trade to better their position. Suck it bitches. They won't get shit for Ball.

[objective]

If Ingram and Kuzma are so great why does LA want to trade them for Kawhi? Those guys are a lot cheaper and under cheap deals for what, 2-4 more years?

Wouldn't they be great to pair with LeBron?

Wouldn't moving Ball for a pick be great to use in a draft to build around the LeBron-Ingram dynasty? And add Paul George to that mix? Wooweeewooowwooow

Besides, isn't Kawhi really, reeaaally hurt? Because of the Spurs' incompetent doctors? Why, he might never play again you know.

[offset formation]

Spurs going to get all they want and demand their punter like in Draft Day

:bobo

[Clipper Nation]

Just thinking about this hysteria about LAL and PG13 ... guy is doing a 3 part ESPN series about his free agency (who cares?). Doubt he does that unless he left for LA ....
CP0 did a whole ESPN documentary about leaving LA last year.

[NASpurs]

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[FvckMavs]

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:lmao FTL!

[Mugen]

I mean, the front office knows they're not getting Kawhi short of the 219 supermax right? I could easily see dumbass Uncle Dennis actually thinking they make up that money in a bigger market and not taking anything less than the 219.

If they're not prepared to offer the supermax then they should absolutely trade him soon.

[Mr. Body]

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WTF would they feel pressured to deal them over the next 48 hours?

[DPG21920]

The one thing we know for sure, for all of the “only the Lakers or bust” crowd, is that SA has offers from PHI, BOS and LAC. So other teams have offers out there. Nothing obviously blowing the socks off, but there is legit interest even with Kawhi saying he will walk to LA for Kawhi.

[Hoops Czar]

The one thing we know for sure, for all of the “only the Lakers or bust” crowd, is that SA has offers from PHI, BOS and LAC. So other teams have offers out there. Nothing obviously blowing the socks off, but there is legit interest even with Kawhi saying he will walk to LA for Kawhi.
Did Boston's offer include Kyrie?

[SpursDynasty85]

The one thing we know for sure, for all of the “only the Lakers or bust” crowd, is that SA has offers from PHI, BOS and LAC. So other teams have offers out there. Nothing obviously blowing the socks off, but there is legit interest even with Kawhi saying he will walk to LA for Kawhi.

I agree. I would be interested to see what the Clippers and Jerry West could offer. Even if Clippers get Kawhi, I could see the Spurs easily being better than them.

[DPG21920]

Did Boston's offer include Kyrie?

That’s the rumor. But I have no idea about the details. But it is important that several teams have made offers. There is interest.

[MoSpur02]

Max Kellerman is onto something. Why would the Spureove Kawhi before LeBron makes his decision when they want to try to lure Lebron to San Antonio? It's not likely they get LeBron, but from what I've heard they really want him, understand they would have to go over the cap to get him, and are willing to do that.

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This alone would make me keep him if I'm PATFO.

Fuck that fool, and his band of renown.

[Spurs9]

It would be interesting if the Spurs got a meeting with Lebron while they still had Kawhi, to see what would come of it. He could either possibly get him to stay, or tell the Spurs how he would be willing to sign and what assets they could flip for Lebron to sign here. Although its a longshot.

[Clipper Nation]

I agree. I would be interested to see what the Clippers and Jerry West could offer. Even if Clippers get Kawhi, I could see the Spurs easily being better than them.
You can have Gallo and DJ. I'm not saying the Clippers would be some juggernaut with Kawhi (barring something crazy like LeBron joining the Clippers too), but I'd still be surprised if DJ, Gallo and the culture scrubs would be better than the Clippers with Kawhi.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

WTF would they feel pressured to deal them over the next 48 hours?

Cause LeBron and PG don’t wanna commit to LA until they see what other stars they can get.

[benefactor]

You're a fucking idiot and I'd punch you if I were next to you.
Vintage robdiaz tbh:tu

[picnroll]

No way anything happens with Leonard until the Lebron and George chips fall. You can take a long nap until at least then.

[r0drig0lac]

This alone would make me keep him if I'm PATFO.

Fuck that fool, and his band of renown.

this

[SpursDynasty85]

You can have Gallo and DJ. I'm not saying the Clippers would be some juggernaut with Kawhi (barring something crazy like LeBron joining the Clippers too), but I'd still be surprised if DJ, Gallo and the culture scrubs would be better than the Clippers with Kawhi.

Lol. Pretty sure the Spurs dont want DJ or Gallo. Maybe trade those guys for some draft picks. Of the Clippers want Kawhi they gotta give up all their lottery picks plus future ones, tobias Harris, and probably avery Bradley/Patrick beverly

[exstatic]

I mean, the front office knows they're not getting Kawhi short of the 219 supermax right? I could easily see dumbass Uncle Dennis actually thinking they make up that money in a bigger market and not taking anything less than the 219.

If they're not prepared to offer the supermax then they should absolutely trade him soon.
WHY? As baseline said, the shitty offers will be there. They’re not going anywhere. Let Magic make his move. What I’d really love to see is one of those other teams with caproom make an offer for Randle. :lol. They’d have to either match, destroying a big chunk of cap room, or risk letting by him walk, not knowing if ANYONE is signing there.

Waiting costs you nothing at all, and may pay off.

[picnroll]

WHY? As baseline said, the shitty offers will be there. They’re not going anywhere. Let Magic make his move. What I’d really love to see is one of those other teams with caproom make an offer for Randle. :lol. They’d have to either match, destroying a big chunk of cap room, or risk letting by him walk, not knowing if ANYONE is signing there.

Waiting costs you nothing at all, and may pay off.
And other teams know the Lakers are against the wall, vulnerable and will come after Randle right away.

[RD2191]

Vintage robdiaz tbh:tu

:lol :tu

[Mugen]

WHY? As baseline said, the shitty offers will be there. They’re not going anywhere. Let Magic make his move. What I’d really love to see is one of those other teams with caproom make an offer for Randle. :lol. They’d have to either match, destroying a big chunk of cap room, or risk letting by him walk, not knowing if ANYONE is signing there.

Waiting costs you nothing at all, and may pay off.

Scenario: PG signs with the Lakers, Bron doesn't come, and LA has a max slot next summer.

Teams see what happened to OKC when they traded for PG and that LA has a max slot for next season with Leonard's name on it. Your shitty offers get even shittier.

[Dex]

I mean, the front office knows they're not getting Kawhi short of the 219 supermax right? I could easily see dumbass Uncle Dennis actually thinking they make up that money in a bigger market and not taking anything less than the 219.

If they're not prepared to offer the supermax then they should absolutely trade him soon.

I agree that Kawhi is definitely shooting for the supermax or bust.

As for whether he deserves it or not...I'm not convinced. If you had asked me a year ago, I'd say yes without hesitation.

But...can the team really offer ~$40M a year (basically a third of their cap) to one guy who has, admittedly, been injury prone...and now doesn't really seem to even support the franchise that was handed to him?

Frankly, Kawhi doesn't deserve the supermax after the last year, despite all of his talent. The best Spurs fans can hope for is that this is all a ploy to get him there, and then he will continue with the franchise for the next 5 years.

Obviously, I'm not holding my breath.

[Mugen]

I agree that Kawhi is definitely shooting for the supermax or bust.

As for whether he deserves it or not...I'm not convinced. If you had asked me a year ago, I'd say yes without hesitation.

But...can the team really offer ~$40M a year (basically a third of their cap) to one guy who has, admittedly been injury prone...and now doesn't really seem to even support the franchise that was handed to him?

Frankly, Kawhi doesn't deserve the supermax after the last year, despite all of his talent. The best Spurs fans can hope for is that this is all a ploy to get him there, and then he will continue with the franchise for the next 5 years.

Obviously, I'm not holding my breath.

all valid concerns. And if ownership and the front office aren't prepared to offer him the supermax, then you should trade him soon and not hold up the rest of your offseason moves.

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:lol mess with the bull, get the horns. That would be so fucking dirty and I love it.

It's one of the main reasons I've been pumping dumping his ass in Milwaukee at the trade deadline, for whatever scrap pieces you can get. Doubtful he'd re-sign. But even if he did, he's in fucking Milwaukee.

[kobyz]

Just play hard ball with kawhi, tell him he's not gonna see any playing time if he's not sign extension, could he afford himself another year without playing? If he leaves at the end and we missed out on kuzma so be it...

[Down Under]

LeBron is not stupid - he knows he needs another top tier superstar (Kawhi), not a 2nd tier one (PG) to beat GS. Obviously Lakers will need a 3rd team, but Magic is the one under the pump more than anyone & hopefully he gives us some batshit crazy deal.

[exstatic]

Scenario: PG signs with the Lakers, Bron doesn't come, and LA has a max slot next summer.

Teams see what happened to OKC when they traded for PG and that LA has a max slot for next season with Leonard's name on it. Your shitty offers get even shittier.
That’s literally the only bad thing that could happen, and you’d still have teams give you something. There are also the scenarios where both of them sign, neither of them sign, or LeBron goes to Philly, all good for us.

[cool cat]

It's one of the main reasons I've been pumping dumping his ass in Milwaukee at the trade deadline, for whatever scrap pieces you can get. Doubtful he'd re-sign. But even if he did, he's in fucking Milwaukee.

You know if he gets traded to Milwaukee that tendinopathy is going to flair up again and he will be spending all his time in NY.

[DPG21920]

Scenario: PG signs with the Lakers, Bron doesn't come, and LA has a max slot next summer.

Teams see what happened to OKC when they traded for PG and that LA has a max slot for next season with Leonard's name on it. Your shitty offers get even shittier.

Counterpoint - even if all that happens, Kawhi just sat out a year, what if sits out again? What if he plays with no security and gets hurt? TONS of risk.

[ducks]

if leonard gets offer an extension even if not a supermax he is playing a risk if he gets injured correct
a long term deal would help him medical would cover alot if spurs signed him to it and he got hurt

[rastaspur]

The FO did Kawhi wrong... Bottom line... Don't get mad at his reaction... Misdiagnosis... Mad at seeking second opinion... Public shade throwing and implying he is injured simply so he can play unhealthy to carry the old guys to the playoffs? Nah fam... U don't have the moral high ground... We KNOW what the FO has done wrong... Everything wrong said about Kawhi has been speculation... He isn't out here o Twitter throwing shade

Your defense of kawhi is repugnant imo. Hows his sperm taste?

[spurschamps99030507]

Your defense of kawhi is repugnant imo. Hows his sperm taste?

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/files/2015/09/jabariyoung.jpg

[objective]

Scenario: PG signs with the Lakers, Bron doesn't come, and LA has a max slot next summer.

Teams see what happened to OKC when they traded for PG and that LA has a max slot for next season with Leonard's name on it. Your shitty offers get even shittier.

Scenario with a guarantee:

Tobias Harris and at least 1 future first will always be on the table

If the Lakers get cocky and lower their offer you drop him in Jerry West's lap and enjoy the sound of Magic shitting a brick at the thought of Jerry West getting into Kawhi's head

[Spurs da champs]

Scenario with a guarantee:

Tobias Harris and at least 1 future first will always be on the table

If the Lakers get cocky and lower their offer you drop him in Jerry West's lap and enjoy the sound of Magic shitting a brick at the thought of Jerry West getting into Kawhi's head
That deal is worse than the two 1st round picks plus Harris that the Spurs turned down on draft night.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Your defense of kawhi is repugnant imo. Hows his sperm taste?

It's laughable at this point

[Clipper Nation]

Lol. Pretty sure the Spurs dont want DJ or Gallo. Maybe trade those guys for some draft picks. Of the Clippers want Kawhi they gotta give up all their lottery picks plus future ones, tobias Harris, and probably avery Bradley/Patrick beverly
:lmao

[Marcus Bryant]

Why would we want anything from LA? They got nothing. Fuck LA

:tu

[DPG21920]

That deal is worse than the two 1st round picks plus Harris that the Spurs turned down on draft night.

The point is that offer will always be there no matter what. It won’t get worse than that thus SA will always have some level of leverage.

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Depending on how this plays out, sure it should.

a) There is no point in taking out some other team's trash. It only slows your retool or rebuild.
b) If he does the same shit with medical stuff, you hold him to the bitter end, and only give him the least lucrative option: signing somewhere as a FA. Fuck him and his Group.

[Marcus Bryant]

if leonard gets offer an extension even if not a supertax he is playing a risk if he gets injured correct
a long term deal would help him medical would cover alot if spurs signed him to it and he got hurt

Supertax? Stop with the politics ducks.

[objective]

When he's held out another year and staying in LA to bide his time, what's he going to do to pass the time?

At the encouragement of the people who are living off him to ingratiate themselves with him, maybe he starts drinking and partying out of restlessness.

It's going to be a looooooong time before he starts playing real ball. Everyone in LA will be sooooo nice to him, being his friend and offering to help stave off the boredom.

Vin Baker and Shawn Kemp found ways to pass the time, maybe Kawhi will too.

[Spurs da champs]

The point is that offer will always be there no matter what. It won’t get worse than that thus SA will always have some level of leverage.
We'll see idk if Magic is patient enough to call PATFO's bluff, but this is a dangerous game of playing with fire here.

[tbdog]

I've always maintained that Ingram is the better young player available over anything that the Celtics and 76ers can offer, outside Ben Simmons of course. Spurs net Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and picks, that's good spot. Randle is a no though. Flipping ball for Jackson for example solidified our wing rotation for years. Although I think Ball in SA system is a dream prospect to have, if only his dad wasn't his dad. Then you let Gasol and green contract run out next season and you got abilty to max Klay for example in 2019.

[ducks]

Supertax? Stop with the politics ducks.

I ment supermax not tax it was a typo

[objective]

That deal is worse than the two 1st round picks plus Harris that the Spurs turned down on draft night.


The point is that offer will always be there no matter what. It won’t get worse than that thus SA will always have some level of leverage.

Exactly. There will always be something there for the Spurs.

For the Lakers, there might not always be cap room for a max, or another star until it's settled in free agency.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lmao

That's about the market for LA teams. I'm assuming they do a sign and trade. Kawhi, DJ, Gallo, one of Beverly or Bradley is better than what you guys have right now.

[Chawaman]

Haven't heard anything about Kawhi from Jabari that would seem like he has insider sources still as of recent.

[mo7888]

Just play hard ball with kawhi, tell him he's not gonna see any playing time if he's not sign extension, could he afford himself another year without playing? If he leaves at the end and we missed out on kuzma so be it...


I've always maintained that Ingram is the better young player available over anything that the Celtics and 76ers can offer, outside Ben Simmons of course. Spurs net Ingram, Ball, Kuzma and picks, that's good spot. Randle is a no though. Flipping ball for Jackson for example solidified our wing rotation for years. Although I think Ball in SA system is a dream prospect to have, if only his dad wasn't his dad. Then you let Gasol and green contract run out next season and you got abilty to max Klay for example in 2019.

I like Ingram myself too but, I see it a little differently. I think he has a higher ceiling than any of those guys you mentioned but, I do think his floor is lower. With his handle, length, and shot I could see him being a leader on a championship team one day but, with what's between his ears and his frailty I could see him being a bust as well.

In the end, I'd be fine with him as a main guy in a trade but there needs to be something better than lonzo and kuz to make a deal. I need something with a high floor or another guy with a high ceiling to put next to him to make me pull the trigger.

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Exactly

Hell, I'd think the Spurs should consider a Lakers deal BUT FIRST Kawhi needs to apologize and correct the record publicly

His greater sphere of reps and sources have defamed the Spurs, smeared their character, ruined their reputation and cost the franchise millions upon millions of dollars and destroyed their future

He wants the Lakers?

Let's see him beg on TV. Let's see a sit down interview where he admits he quit on the team and admits he could have played but chose not to. Admit there's nothing wrong with the medical staff and front office. Admit the Spurs treated him ABOVE AND BEYOND GREAT. But that he's now looking to put it all behind him and join the Lakers with nothing but love and respect for Pop and the Spurs

Let's see that first

And after that ... Still sit him out.

Savage. Me likey.

[RD2191]

Savage. Me likey.

That's because you're a faggot

[r0drig0lac]

It's laughable at this point

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:lol at the false sense of urgency. What part of under contract don't you understand?

Yep. Ride his ass right up until 11:59PM in February.

[tbdog]

I like Ingram myself too but, I see it a little differently. I think he has a higher ceiling than any of those guys you mentioned but, I do think his floor is lower. With his handle, length, and shot I could see him being a leader on a championship team one day but, with what's between his ears and his frailty I could see him being a bust as well.

In the end, I'd be fine with him as a main guy in a trade but there needs to be something better than lonzo and kuz to make a deal. I need something with a high floor or another guy with a high ceiling to put next to him to make me pull the trigger.


I think Ball is the prospect here, even if he doesn't play for the Spurs. There are teams like Suns, Magic, Bucks, Pistons, Hornets, and Knicks whom are all looking for long term prospects at the PG position.

[Mikeanaro]

Kawhi is a Trump supporter, couldnt stand all that crap from Pop and he was this close :ihit to punch him in the face, now he wants to leave the team in a pacifist fashion.

Pop on the other hand is old and all his life has been stubborn, now he lost his wife and must handle this kind of situations that are not a good match to his persona, Kawhi has become a personal offense and a mission to him, pretty sure he is making holes in photos having Kiwi´s autistic face.

Kawhi kindled the flame, pretty sure Pop feels like alive and full of strength.

[Mr. Body]

The one thing we know for sure, for all of the “only the Lakers or bust” crowd, is that SA has offers from PHI, BOS and LAC. So other teams have offers out there. Nothing obviously blowing the socks off, but there is legit interest even with Kawhi saying he will walk to LA for Kawhi.

Where is this coming from, other teams having offers for him?

[DPG21920]

Where is this coming from, other teams having offers for him?

Woj

[TekXX]

Kawhi is a Trump supporter, couldnt stand all that crap from Pop and he was this close :ihit to punch him in the face, now he wants to leave the team in a pacifist fashion.

Pop on the other hand is old and all his life has been stubborn, now he lost his wife and must handle this kind of situations that are not a good match to his persona, Kawhi has become a personal offense and a mission to him, pretty sure he is making holes in photos having Kiwi´s autistic face.

Kawhi kindled the flame, pretty sure Pop feels like alive and full of strength.

Can we leave make believe out of this.

[gambit1990]

after dealing with uncle dennis i’m sure the spurs are just dying to deal with lavar.

[TekXX]

Did Ball actually pan out? I didn't pay attention to the lakers at all last year.

[spurschamps99030507]

10y ago this y

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nba-spurs/san-antonio-coach-says-trades-turn-up-pressure-on-spurs-idUSSP2536420080209

San Antonio coach says trades turn up pressure on Spurs
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The trades that sent Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Lakers and Shaquille O’Neal to the Phoenix Suns have turned the pressure up on the NBA champion San Antonio Spurs, their coach said on Friday


“It’s tough for everybody,” Gregg Popovich told reporters about the competition in the Western Conference before his team’s game on Friday against the New York Knicks.
“Its been tough, but this makes it tougher on everybody. It’s a good thing, it’s really great for the league. It will drive the coaches crazy, but what great competition.”
Popovich said he thought the Suns made a worthy gamble by dealing Shawn Marion to the Miami Heat for aging center Shaquille O’Neal, but could not understand how Los Angeles wound up prying Gasol away from the Memphis Grizzlies.
The Lakers acquired the 27-year-old Spanish center without giving up a key player, as Memphis freed up salary cap space and got first-round picks in 2008 and 2010 in the swap.


“The move is great for LA,” said Popovich.
“What they were thinking in Memphis is beyond comprehension. There should be a law, a trade committee that can scratch off trades that make no sense.”
The race in the West was tight even before the trades.
San Antonio, 31-16 entering Friday’s game, was in third place in the Southwest Division behind Dallas and New Orleans, both at 33-15 and fourth best overall in the conference just narrowly ahead of Utah (32-18) and the Lakers (31-17).
“I just wish I had been on a trade committee that oversees NBA trades. I’d like to elect myself to that committee and I would’ve voted ‘nay’ on the LA trade.”
Of the Suns’ move, Popovich said: “I give them a lot of credit for thinking out of the box, deciding they had to do things differently. They deserve credit for that.”




Popovich said he expected the Suns, who have relied on a fastbreak attack that does not seem to suit the lumbering O’Neal, to figure out how to use him effectively.
“I have no doubt they’ll figure it out and use it to their advantage,” he said.
Popovich said he did not think the other teams were trying to find a way to match up against the Spurs.
“I don’t think anybody has ever feared us.
“I just think they want their team to be as good as it could possibly be.
“If we can make a trade that makes our team better before the trade deadline we’ll do it, but we’re not necessarily doing it to play with LA or Phoenix or anybody else.”

[acoelho1]

I've always maintained that Ingram is the better young player available over anything that the Celtics and 76ers can offer, outside Ben Simmons of course.

I agree on Ingram. I think he will have a breakout year and with his length and athletism, he can be a great defender.

[Russ]

Did Ball actually pan out? I didn't pay attention to the lakers at all last year.

Ball was a big hit.

He led the Lakers to the draft lottery with their best record in five years.

[mo7888]

I think Ball is the prospect here, even if he doesn't play for the Spurs. There are teams like Suns, Magic, Bucks, Pistons, Hornets, and Knicks whom are all looking for long term prospects at the PG position.

If ball brings the right package I'm good with it but, the Lakers need to be the one to trade him and send those assets to us so we don't get caught in the lavar circus.

[RD2191]

Where is this coming from, other teams having offers for him?

"The Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers, Philadelphia 76ers and LA Clippers are among teams who have made offers to the Spurs for Leonard, league sources said. The Lakers, the franchise Leonard wants to be traded to, did not have an encouraging initial conversation with the Spurs, ESPN reported recently."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23924558/pressure-mounting-los-angeles-lakers-acquire-kawhi-leonard

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Supertax? Stop with the politics ducks.

:lmao

[spurschamps99030507]

Sides have contact, but Celtics remain far away from landing Kawhi Leonard

Steve Bulpett (http://www.bostonherald.com/users/steve_bulpett) Wednesday, June 27, 2018

If the San Antonio Spurs get serious about trading Kawhi Leonard, the Celtics, according to multiple league sources, would like to be involved. But there has been nothing yet to indicate they have a realistic chance.


A Western Conference source with an interest in the proceedings told the Herald the Spurs did have a brief discussion with the Celts today, but there was no real negotiation. It was the first contact between the teams since before the draft, but even those talks did not include the C’s making an offer. That brief call, according to two league sources, went nowhere.


San Antonio has been checking the marketplace to see what kind of return it could get on Leonard, but it’s hard to see things working out with the Celtics under the current circumstances of the All-Star forward’s health and future plans.


As noted in a recent Herald story, the Celts would need assurances that Leonard’s quadriceps injury is healed and that he would be willing to stay with the team beyond next year. Leonard can opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent after the 2018-19 season. He played in just nine games this season because of the quad problem, and questions about whether he could and should have played more strained his relationship with the Spurs.


Therefore, logic says anything the Celtics would be willing to give up at this stage would have to be reflective of those issues. That likely wouldn’t be enough for the Spurs.
It’s not believed the Celts are willing to move either Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown, and whether they’d put the 2019 Sacramento first round pick (protected only if it’s No. 1 overall) on the table likely is dependent on the sides getting serious enough to allow the C’s permission to speak with Leonard, gauge his interest in Boston and check his medical information.


But everything we’ve heard at this stage is the process is miles away from any of that. And the best information circulating through league front offices is that Leonard is still intent on getting to the Lakers, either by trade now or as a free agent next summer.
The situation is beginning to resemble the Paul George affair from last summer. The Celtics felt they could have beaten the deal offered by Oklahoma City (even though the transaction worked out better for the Pacers, and ultimately for the C’s too).


This time with Leonard and the Spurs, they would like to have a chance to be in the discussions at the end, though it doesn’t appear (again, yet) as if there is much of an avenue for an agreement.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/sides_have_contact_but_celtics_remain_far_away_fro m_landing_kawhi_leonard (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/sides_have_contact_but_celtics_remain_far_away_fro m_landing_kawhi_leonard)

[tbdog]

Did Ball actually pan out? I didn't pay attention to the lakers at all last year.

Certain parts of his game cannot be taught. He has lower body issues on his shot. If he can square up better and use his legs on his shot, he will have much better form. He wasn't used correctly in the Lakers as they used him as a shot creator, but he has an undeniable talent as an off guard. He isn't a iso player. He is a reactive player. Great cutter, moves without the ball. He has great size too.

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That's because you're a faggot

Lol. I own you in every facet of life.

[offset formation]

Kawhi is a Trump supporter, couldnt stand all that crap from Pop and he was this close :ihit to punch him in the face, now he wants to leave the team in a pacifist fashion.

Pop on the other hand is old and all his life has been stubborn, now he lost his wife and must handle this kind of situations that are not a good match to his persona, Kawhi has become a personal offense and a mission to him, pretty sure he is making holes in photos having Kiwi´s autistic face.

Kawhi kindled the flame, pretty sure Pop feels like alive and full of strength.

The MAGAtry is strong in you.

[RD2191]

Lol. I own you in every facet of life.

That's it? Weak shit son. I expected better.

[Spurs da champs]

I agree on Ingram. I think he will have a breakout year and with his length and athletism, he can be a great defender.

He also showed flashes of being a playmaker this past season, which at his height is very impressive.