Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Pavlov]

Man, Chris really loves Manafort.

[Winehole23]

things seem to be moving along quickly. when Manafort is convicted, Chris and TSA are probably going to say Judge Eliis gave him the bum's rush.

[djohn2oo8]

Man, Chris really loves Manafort.
Twitter tells him who to love.

[Pavlov]

things seem to be moving along quickly. when Manafort is convicted, Chris and TSA are probably going to say Judge Eliis gave him the bum's rush.Yep, they've been trained to get aroused whenever old men act like jerks so their hopes are sky high right now.

[boutons_deux]

more evidence that America is ...

The Quislings of American Collapse

How Downwardly Mobile Americans are Being Radicalized into Betraying America

a President who’s more loyal to Russian self-interest than he is to any vaguely American ideal.

The quislings of American collapse.

Whole groups of Americans — like the fine gentlemen above — seem to be

perfectly happy betraying America.

By putting Russian oligarchy, repression, and ethnic supremacy, above American democracy, freedom, and civil society. What does it all mean?

What’s happening, to put it bluntly, is that

(some) downwardly mobile white American middle class men — at least some of them — are being radicalized.

Not by ISIS, by communism. But by a seductive, grandiose kind of authoritarianism.

To become something like true believers in the Russian model of society.

A patriarchal supremacy.

A repressive, ethnically charged patriarchy,

in which

the state is a mechanism for the pure and strong

to dominate the impure and weak, with violence, exclusion, fear, and intimidation.

All of which the pure and strong believe vehemently is right, just, noble, and true.

But it’s in fact just a tool of oligarchy, to go on enriching itself.

Give men in decline someone to hate, it seems, and they’ll let you exploit them to the bone.

Who cares if an oligarch owns your energy grid — when you have gays to bash, women to demean, and immigrants to bully?

there are two classes of American quislings today.

One we’ve discussed a little bit — downwardly mobile white men.

But then there are elites.

The elites seem to be less motivated by ideology than by money and power.

That’s ironic, because it’s

an effect of predatory capitalism — which America’s long championed.

Russia’s oligarchs have the money to, it seems, buy American democracy lock, stock, and barrel.

https://eand.co/the-quislings-of-american-collapse-f25071465063

[Winehole23]

that's nonsense, boutons, the Russians didn't buy the US government.

[Education4Libs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dj-ARWAU4AMjtcR.jpg:large

Hey, tonight I’ve got a big cock for your mouth. Grilled rooster is delicious!

[Winehole23]

lefties wrapping themselves in the flag and denouncing Republicans for their lack of patriotism has got to be one of the least convincing gambits ever.

it's as craven and dishonest as the original McCarthyism.

[boutons_deux]

that's nonsense, boutons, the Russians didn't buy the US government.

FRIFF

it sez "buy American democracy"

Pootin OWNS Trash, comprised Trash's mafiya, Rorhbacher, and numerous US Congresspeople are crawling to Moscow for meeting with Pootin.

Repugs, for years, strongly preferred lily white Pootin to their hated, too-smart, Muslim knitter Obama

wannabe cowboy Clarke, etc went to Moscow

Jill Stein pulled a Nader/2000, stayed in the race after visiting Moscow, dining with Pootin, and helped split the Dem vote to elect Trash. Did she get dark money from Pootin? The oligarchy's SCOTUS sez she can hide it.

the fucking NRA exposed as laundering Russian money, then predatory vulture Capitalist Mnuchin quickly responds saying NRA doesn't have to expose the Russian sources.

etc, etc

and 2016's "white working class", downwardly mobile white middle class, have been betrayed by the oligarchy (eg, household income flat for 40 years), so desperate that WWC has declining longevity, UNIQUE among all industrial nations.

WWC is in despair, killing itself by the 100Ks with alcohol, drugs, guns. This is the class of "old white men (and their compliant, Biblically subservient women)" as quislings, wearing "better Russian than Democrat"-type tee shirts.

And the entire evangelical so-called Christian assholes like Pootin's Macho Man bullshit, his murdering "fake news" press, his persecution of LGBT, non-whites, and think Pootin's BoyToy Manchurian Candidate Trash has been sent by God.

The oligarchy Capitalists softened up, brutalized America of the lower 4 quintiles, corrupted America from top to bottom, and now Pootin is subverting America.

Russia is corrupt, decrepit 3rd rate country with nukes intent on weakening, destroying America, is actively waging 21st Info War on America, and Trash invites Pootin to WH. W T F F?

Why are Repugs sucking Pootin's dick?

[DarrinS]

Watch from 6:50 to around 15:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwJJCHs3k1M

Other panelists seem irritated by what their legal expert is saying. :lmao

[spurraider21]

darrin continuing to watch CNN more than anybody else on ST

[TSA]

things seem to be moving along quickly. when Manafort is convicted, Chris and TSA are probably going to say Judge Eliis gave him the bum's rush.

I’ve never once defended Manafort and have said from the start to punish him to the fullest extent of the law. That doesn’t mean I can’t laugh with the Judge.

1026690505197998080

1026691212517023744

:rollin

[boutons_deux]

lefties wrapping themselves in the flag and denouncing Republicans for their lack of patriotism has got to be one of the least convincing gambits ever.

it's as craven and dishonest as the original McCarthyism.

what lefties are wrapping themselves in the flag? this ain't the '60s bullshit of "my country, right or wrong"

Repugs kowtowing to Pootin and Russia is NOT harmless.

Their treason is based on Pootin helping Repugs stay in/grab power and on Pootin hurting the Dems, again.

Pootin is at war with America, weapons being $Bs (he knows how Americans will crawl on their venal bellies for his $Bs) and cyber attacks.

turn it around: If Dems were sucking Pootin's dick and obtaining electoral wins, the Repugs and right-wing hate media would be having fits.

[boutons_deux]

Get ready for this nightmare scenario involving Trump, Mueller and Kavanaugh

Simply put:

The battle over whether President Trump will sit for an interview with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III

could end up running headlong into the confirmation fight over Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh, that’s set for this fall.

What this means is that, in advance of Kavanaugh’s hearing, we may already know that

Kavanaugh could end up being the deciding vote on the question

of whether a president (Trump) can be compelled to testify to a grand jury.

Now, it is possible that the current court could rule on such a matter sooner (the eight justices might deadlock, defaulting to a lower court).

But it’s also perfectly plausible, depending on how long Trump’s team takes to make a decision and what happens in the courts afterward, that

this could be headed for a showdown in front of a high court with Kavanaugh on it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/07/get-ready-for-this-nightmare-scenario-involving-trump-mueller-and-brett-kavanaugh/?utm_term=.7c81159d4e42&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

And I bet Kavanaugh, appointed by Trash, would refuse to recuse himself from a case against Trash.

[boutons_deux]

That a Pres can be forced to respond to a subpoena and face a grand jury was "settled law" when SCOTUS decided Clinton had to comply with the subpoena.

If SCOTUS now decides (an authoritarian, anti-American asshole) Pres, like Trash, can ignore subpoenas, that would embolden Trash to be even more criminal, knowing he could get away with it.

and of course, Ms of influenceable Americans would also feel they could break "unfair" law and get away with it.

Similar to Manafort escaping punishment for cheating criminally on his taxes would also influence Americans to do the same, esp the rightwingnutjobs who have been groomed since St Ronnie and the Repugs to hate govt
(... "IS the problem)" and taxes as illegitimate.

[boutons_deux]

LOL. Russian State TV Calls Rand Paul a "Loyalist".

Twitter Has Some Things to Say About That. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786359/-LOL-Russian-State-TV-Calls-Rand-Paul-a-Loyalist-Twitter-Has-Some-Things-to-Say-About-That)

Julia Davis@JuliaDavisNews
(https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews)#Russia (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Russia?src=hash)'s state TV:
The host responds to panelist's observation that Rand Paul is not well-liked in the US:
"At least he's one of the few loyalists."
7:02 AM - Aug 6, 2018 (https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1026438265606418432)

Svea Elske@SveaElske
(https://twitter.com/SveaElske)And by "loyalists" they mean traitors to the US. I mean, we all remember who the "Loyalists" were during the Revolutionary War
7:57 AM - Aug 6, 2018 (https://twitter.com/SveaElske/status/1026452098488193024)


Snarquebus@BarackDaVote
(https://twitter.com/BarackDaVote)
(https://twitter.com/BarackDaVote) 6 Aug (https://twitter.com/BarackDaVote/status/1026487200198713345)

Replying to juliadavisNews (https://twitter.com/_/status/1026438265606418432)

He's going to feel this in 2020 when Kentucky decides to close the book on the McConnell terror




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1025849219431784448/fb1lXJLm_bigger.jpg (https://twitter.com/KRBaldridge)Ken Baldridge@KRBaldridge
(https://twitter.com/KRBaldridge)
(https://twitter.com/KRBaldridge)
If not in prison by then, McConnell will go down with the trump Titanic in 2020. Rand isn't up for election again until 2022, but he still wants to be president, so who knows?

Kentucky Secretary of State Grimes says, "Rand can be beaten. Just ask his neighbor."


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/483654477279285248/lnONaVia_bigger.jpeg (https://twitter.com/Kyoung2112)Kris Young@Kyoung2112
(https://twitter.com/Kyoung2112)· 6 Aug (https://twitter.com/Kyoung2112/status/1026498078973546498)

Replying to @KRBaldridge juliadavisNews (https://twitter.com/_/status/1026497734893809666)

Yes, he's actually in Moscow right now. Haven't you heard?


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/991089332671909889/P_p5U356_bigger.jpg (https://twitter.com/MichaelPHeath1)Michael P. Heath@MichaelPHeath1
(https://twitter.com/MichaelPHeath1)
(https://twitter.com/MichaelPHeath1)Many senators go to hear from their Russian donors-

I mean, er, their donors-

I mean um, their constituents-

yeah, constituents, that’s the ticket!-

when Congress is in recess. (It’s in recess now, right?)

1:11 PM - Aug 6, 2018 (https://twitter.com/MichaelPHeath1/status/1026531180684959745)

President Double Negative@realworldrj
(https://twitter.com/realworldrj)
The Russians are trolling America amazingly well or are the sole truth-tellers right now. I can’t tell which one it is

5:59 PM - Aug 6, 2018 (https://twitter.com/realworldrj/status/1026603622321332225)


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786359/-LOL-Russian-State-TV-Calls-Rand-Paul-a-Loyalist-Twitter-Has-Some-Things-to-Say-About-That?detail=emaildkre

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

1026866836862730240

[djohn2oo8]

1026869340212158464

[djohn2oo8]

1026680354617389056

[djohn2oo8]

1026900791301263361

[Chris]

1026890823781240834

boom

[Pavlov]

1026890823781240834

boomlol how is the oldest news possible on this subject BOOM, Chris?

[Chris]

1026873377783468032

[djohn2oo8]

Meltdown

[Pavlov]

1026873377783468032lol anonymous tweet about anonymous blog post.

[Chris]

Pavlov's love/hate relationship with RINOs is negotiable :tu

[Pavlov]

Pavlov's love/hate relationship with RINOs is negotiable :tuChris's love/love relationship with fake news and anonymous tweets and blogs is deep and unbreakable.

[TSA]

Meltdown

Your 5 successive tweets?

[TSA]

1026873377783468032

1025511490227458054

[djohn2oo8]

Your 5 successive tweets?
Meltdown you are having. Not sure you will ever be right.

[Chris]

Meltdown

2 different tweets is meltdown? By those standards you're a Fukushima :lol

[djohn2oo8]

2 different tweets is meltdown? By those standards you're a Fukushima :lol
Chris takes offense. Shook.

[djohn2oo8]

1026916364051722240

[RandomGuy]

:lol ripping off a Griswold quote

Indeed. Guilty as charged. I thought it was funny.

[spurraider21]

cross-examination of a cooperating witness is typically an attempt to discredit them because of their incentive to give testimony favorable to the prosecution. its standard stuff.

but i'm expecting a few dozen tweets/posts here about how they crushed gates' credibility because of his deal

[Chris]

Gates admitted to embezzlement. No tweets/posts needed :lol I'm looking forward to you burying Judge Ellis after singing his praises.

[Pavlov]

Gates admitted to embezzlement. No tweets/posts needed :lol I'm looking forward to you burying Judge Ellis after singing his praises.He admitted to multiple crimes.

So?

[djohn2oo8]

He admitted to multiple crimes.

So?
Yeah not sure where he went with that or tried to

[Pavlov]

Yeah not sure where he went with that or tried toIt is said the defense may try to hang their hat on the amount he says he embezzled (several hundred thousand) compared to the amount they say he embezzled.

[Chris]

1026928138834595840

[Pavlov]

1026928138834595840:lmao Now Nunes is kicking the can down the road to documents that aren't even the FISA application.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao Now Nunes is kicking the can down the road to documents that aren't even the FISA application.


Lol

[Chris]

1026696993094225920
1026696997011709952
1026697000270680066
1026697002258759681
1026697005308030976
1026697008315334657
1026697010785779712
1026697013113614336
1026697015533752320
1026697020466188289

[djohn2oo8]

1026942367750860800
Solid response by Gates

[Pavlov]

1026696993094225920
1026696997011709952
1026697000270680066
1026697002258759681
1026697005308030976
1026697008315334657
1026697010785779712
1026697013113614336
1026697015533752320
1026697020466188289lol another anonymous wall of text

[TSA]

lol another anonymous wall of text

[spurraider21]

and nobody would ever cite to an unsourced Pavlov post as evidence of anything

lol at you not getting the point

[Pavlov]

and nobody would ever cite to an unsourced Pavlov post as evidence of anythingRight?

I'm not fishing for followers on twitter hoping for det retweet for Pete's sake.

If I choose to be a pundit, you'll see my name on the twitter account.

lol TSA

[RandomGuy]

and nobody would ever cite to an unsourced Pavlov post as evidence of anything

lol at you not getting the point

Dunning Kruger.

[TSA]

and nobody would ever cite to an unsourced Pavlov post as evidence of anything

lol at you not getting the point

There are multiple sources in that and even more sources within the quoted tweets. So what do you think the point was?

[boutons_deux]

It is said the defense may try to hang their hat on the amount he says he embezzled (several hundred thousand) compared to the amount they say he embezzled.

I suppose Mueller has all of Gates' financial paperwork, bank statements, IRS data

[spurraider21]

There are multiple sources in that and even more sources within the quoted tweets. So what do you think the point was?
the only thinks linked to are his own old tweets and the nunes memo :lol

[Pavlov]

There are multiple sources in that and even more sources within the quoted tweets. So what do you think the point was?:lmao He even thanked another anonymous tweeter.

[TSA]

the only thinks linked to are his own old tweets and the nunes memo :lol

I count 7 sources, 6 if you exclude zerohedge.

So what do you think the point was?

[Pavlov]

The point was:

"This is absolutely stunning"

"So in effect"

"just the same way purgatory does"

"confabulate"

"What are the odds"

"What are the odds" (again)

"Certain people in the FBI must've known"

"pumping even more money into Steele's gullet"

"Is it even possible"

"I suspect"

"Pandora's box of depravity and deception"

lol

[djohn2oo8]

1026952140298878976


Chris gonna boycott

[TSA]

The point was:

"This is absolutely stunning"

"So in effect"

"just the same way purgatory does"

"confabulate"

"What are the odds"

"What are the odds" (again)

"Certain people in the FBI must've known"

"pumping even more money into Steele's gullet"

"Is it even possible"

"I suspect"

"Pandora's box of depravity and deception"

lol

I could find 10,000 similar phrases used to speculate on Trump/Russia collusion from MSM reporters. Again, what’s the point?

[Pavlov]

I could find 10,000 similar phrases used to speculate on Trump/Russia collusion from MSM reporters. Again, what’s the point?Can you see their names?

Yes or no.

[TSA]

1026928138834595840

Ohr shit! someone got a hold of his texts


==========================

Hundreds of pages of previously unreported emails and memos provide the clearest evidence yet that a research firm, hired by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to find dirt on and defeat Donald Trump, worked early and often with the FBI, a Department of Justice (DOJ) official and the intelligence community during the 2016 presidential election and the early days of Trump's presidency.

Fusion GPS's work and its involvement with several FBI officials have been well reported.

But a close review of these new documents shows just how closely Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, who reported to Obama-era Deputy AG Sally Yates, maintained contact with Fusion - and, in particular, its primary source, former British spy Christopher Steele - before, during and after the election.

Yates was fired by President Trump over an unrelated political dispute. Ohr was demoted recently.

Ohr's own notes, emails and text messages show he communicated extensively with Steele and with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson. Those documents have been turned over in recent weeks to investigative bodies in Congress and the DOJ, but not reviewed outside the investigative ranks until now.

They show Ohr had contact with Steele in the days just before the FBI opened its Trump-Russia probe in summer 2016, and then engaged Steele as a "confidential human source" (CHS) assisting in that probe.

They also confirm that Ohr later became a critical conduit of continuing information from Steele after the FBI ended the Brit's role as an informant.

"B, doubtless a sad and crazy day for you re- SY," Steele texted Ohr on Jan. 31, 2017, referencing President Trump's firing of Sally Yates for insubordination.

Steele's FBI relationship had been terminated about three months earlier. The bureau concluded on Nov. 1, 2016, that he leaked information to the news media and was "not suitable for use" as a confidential source, memos show.

The FBI specifically instructed Steele that he could no longer "operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI," those memos show.

Yet, Steele asked Ohr in the Jan. 31 text exchange if he could continue to help feed information to the FBI: "Just want to check you are OK, still in the situ and able to help locally as discussed, along with your Bureau colleagues."

"I'm still here and able to help as discussed," Ohr texted back. "I'll let you know if that changes."

Steele replied, "If you end up out though, I really need another (bureau?) contact point/number who is briefed. We can't allow our guy to be forced to go back home. It would be disastrous." Investigators are trying to determine who Steele was referring to.

FBI officials now admit they continued to receive information from Steele through Ohr, identifying more than a half-dozen times its agents interviewed Ohr in late 2016 and 2017, to learn what Steele was saying.

That continued reliance on Steele after his termination is certain to raise interest in Congress about whether the FBI broke its own rules.

But the memos also raise questions about Ohr's and the Justice Department's roles in the origins of building a counterintelligence case against the Republican presidential nominee, based heavily on opposition research funded by his rival's campaign, the DNC, and the DNC's main law firm, Perkins Coie.

Some of the more tantalizing Ohr contacts occurred in the days when Steele made his first contacts with the FBI in summer 2016 about the Russia matter.

"There is something separate I wanted to discuss with you informally and separately. It concerns our favourite (sic) business tycoon!" Steele wrote Ohr on July 1, 2016, in an apparent reference to Trump.

That overture came just four days before Steele walked into the FBI office in Rome with still-unproven allegations that Trump had an improper relationship with Russia, including possible efforts to hijack the presidential election.

Ohr scheduled a call with Steele over Skype a few days later. But then the two men met in Washington on July 30, 2016, at the Mayflower Hotel.

Ohr brought his wife, Nellie, who was working at Fusion GPS on the Trump-Russia research project.

"Great to see you and Nellie this morning Bruce," Steele wrote shortly after their breakfast meeting. "Let's keep in touch on the substantive issues/s (sic). Glenn is happy to speak to you on this if it would help."

That meeting occurred exactly one day before FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok formally opened an investigation, dubbed Crossfire Hurricane, into whether the Trump campaign was colluding with Moscow to steal the election.

At the time, the case was based mostly on an Australian diplomat's tip that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos appeared to know in advance that the Russians possessed information involving Hillary Clinton before hacked documents were released on WikiLeaks.

Soon, the case expanded to include allegations that another Trump adviser, Carter Page, might have ties to Russia - an uncorroborated allegation from Fusion GPS's research now known as the "Steele dossier."

Calendar notations and handwritten notes indicate Ohr followed up on Steele's offer and met with Simpson on Aug. 22, 2016. Ohr's notes indicate Simpson identified several "possible intermediaries" between the Trump campaign and Russia.

One was identified as a "longtime associate of Trump" who "put together several real estate deals for Russian investigators to purchase Trump properties." Another was a Russian apparently tied to Carter Page, Ohr's note of his Simpson contact indicated.

Steele offered Ohr many other theories over their contacts, including a now widely discredited one that the Russian Alfa Bank had a computer server "as a link" to the Trump campaign, Ohr's notes show.

Though much of Steele's information remained uncorroborated, the FBI nonetheless took the extraordinary step in October 2016 of seeking a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) surveillance warrant to monitor Carter Page during the final days of the election, based mostly on Steele's dossier. The warrant was renewed at least three times, but Page was never charged.

Ohr's connections to Steele are significant because at least one of the FISA warrants was approved by Ohr's boss, Yates.

By early November 2016, Steele was terminated for unauthorized media contacts - and the FBI was turning to Ohr as a back channel to Steele.

Ohr's notes suggest he met Nov. 21, 2016, with FBI officials that included Strzok, then-FBI attorney Lisa Page and another agent. Strzok and Page have become the poster children for Republicans who believe the FBI abused its authority by investigating Trump on flimsy evidence. FBI records confirm an interview with Ohr around that time.

Ohr's notes from that meeting indicate that FBI officials told him they "may go back to Chris" - an apparent reference to Steele - just 20 days after dismissing him.

In all, Ohr's notes, emails and texts identify more than 60 contacts with Steele and/or Simpson, some dating to 2002 in London. But the vast majority occurred during the 2016-2017 timeframe that gave birth to one of the most controversial counterintelligence probes in American history.

Most importantly, the new memos make clear that Ohr, a man whose name was barely uttered during the first 18 months of the scandal, may have played a critical role in stitching together a Democratic opposition research project and the top echelons of the FBI and DOJ.

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/400810-opinion-how-a-senior-justice-official-helped-dems-on-trump-russia-case?amp&__twitter_impression=true

[djohn2oo8]

Another wall of text amounting to nothing.

[TSA]

Can you see their names?

Yes or no.

Sure.

Again, what’s the point?

[TSA]

Another wall of text amounting to nothing.

You don’t get demoted twice for doing nothing.

[TSA]

and nobody would ever cite to an unsourced Pavlov post as evidence of anything

lol at you not getting the point

I count 7 sources, 6 if you exclude zerohedge.

So what do you think the point was?

[Pavlov]

Sure.

Again, what’s the point?That's the point.

[TSA]

That's the point.

State your point clearly because right now it looks like you’re saying speculation is only lol worthy if done anonymously.

[Chris]

Ohr shit!

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2018 %2F02%2F02%2F21%2F48D36B9000000578-5344921-image-a-102_1517607921646.jpg&f=1



:lol

[Chris]

the only thinks linked to are his own old tweets and the nunes memo :lol


I count 7 sources, 6 if you exclude zerohedge.

lol lawyer 21

[Pavlov]

State your point clearly because right now it looks like you’re saying speculation is only lol worthy if done anonymously.I will always lol anonymous faux pundits like the ones you worship because they are too chickenshit to put their names on anything.

I do not respect them and will ridicule them at every opportunity.

That is my point.

[Pavlov]

Ohr shit! someone got a hold of his texts


==========================

Hundreds of pages of previously unreported emails and memos provide the clearest evidence yet that a research firm, hired by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to find dirt on and defeat Donald Trump, worked early and often with the FBI, a Department of Justice (DOJ) official and the intelligence community during the 2016 presidential election and the early days of Trump's presidency.

Fusion GPS's work and its involvement with several FBI officials have been well reported.

But a close review of these new documents shows just how closely Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, who reported to Obama-era Deputy AG Sally Yates, maintained contact with Fusion - and, in particular, its primary source, former British spy Christopher Steele - before, during and after the election.

Yates was fired by President Trump over an unrelated political dispute. Ohr was demoted recently.

Ohr's own notes, emails and text messages show he communicated extensively with Steele and with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson. Those documents have been turned over in recent weeks to investigative bodies in Congress and the DOJ, but not reviewed outside the investigative ranks until now.

They show Ohr had contact with Steele in the days just before the FBI opened its Trump-Russia probe in summer 2016, and then engaged Steele as a "confidential human source" (CHS) assisting in that probe.

They also confirm that Ohr later became a critical conduit of continuing information from Steele after the FBI ended the Brit's role as an informant.

"B, doubtless a sad and crazy day for you re- SY," Steele texted Ohr on Jan. 31, 2017, referencing President Trump's firing of Sally Yates for insubordination.

Steele's FBI relationship had been terminated about three months earlier. The bureau concluded on Nov. 1, 2016, that he leaked information to the news media and was "not suitable for use" as a confidential source, memos show.

The FBI specifically instructed Steele that he could no longer "operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI," those memos show.

Yet, Steele asked Ohr in the Jan. 31 text exchange if he could continue to help feed information to the FBI: "Just want to check you are OK, still in the situ and able to help locally as discussed, along with your Bureau colleagues."

"I'm still here and able to help as discussed," Ohr texted back. "I'll let you know if that changes."

Steele replied, "If you end up out though, I really need another (bureau?) contact point/number who is briefed. We can't allow our guy to be forced to go back home. It would be disastrous." Investigators are trying to determine who Steele was referring to.

FBI officials now admit they continued to receive information from Steele through Ohr, identifying more than a half-dozen times its agents interviewed Ohr in late 2016 and 2017, to learn what Steele was saying.

That continued reliance on Steele after his termination is certain to raise interest in Congress about whether the FBI broke its own rules.

But the memos also raise questions about Ohr's and the Justice Department's roles in the origins of building a counterintelligence case against the Republican presidential nominee, based heavily on opposition research funded by his rival's campaign, the DNC, and the DNC's main law firm, Perkins Coie.

Some of the more tantalizing Ohr contacts occurred in the days when Steele made his first contacts with the FBI in summer 2016 about the Russia matter.

"There is something separate I wanted to discuss with you informally and separately. It concerns our favourite (sic) business tycoon!" Steele wrote Ohr on July 1, 2016, in an apparent reference to Trump.

That overture came just four days before Steele walked into the FBI office in Rome with still-unproven allegations that Trump had an improper relationship with Russia, including possible efforts to hijack the presidential election.

Ohr scheduled a call with Steele over Skype a few days later. But then the two men met in Washington on July 30, 2016, at the Mayflower Hotel.

Ohr brought his wife, Nellie, who was working at Fusion GPS on the Trump-Russia research project.

"Great to see you and Nellie this morning Bruce," Steele wrote shortly after their breakfast meeting. "Let's keep in touch on the substantive issues/s (sic). Glenn is happy to speak to you on this if it would help."

That meeting occurred exactly one day before FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok formally opened an investigation, dubbed Crossfire Hurricane, into whether the Trump campaign was colluding with Moscow to steal the election.

At the time, the case was based mostly on an Australian diplomat's tip that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos appeared to know in advance that the Russians possessed information involving Hillary Clinton before hacked documents were released on WikiLeaks.

Soon, the case expanded to include allegations that another Trump adviser, Carter Page, might have ties to Russia - an uncorroborated allegation from Fusion GPS's research now known as the "Steele dossier."

Calendar notations and handwritten notes indicate Ohr followed up on Steele's offer and met with Simpson on Aug. 22, 2016. Ohr's notes indicate Simpson identified several "possible intermediaries" between the Trump campaign and Russia.

One was identified as a "longtime associate of Trump" who "put together several real estate deals for Russian investigators to purchase Trump properties." Another was a Russian apparently tied to Carter Page, Ohr's note of his Simpson contact indicated.

Steele offered Ohr many other theories over their contacts, including a now widely discredited one that the Russian Alfa Bank had a computer server "as a link" to the Trump campaign, Ohr's notes show.

Though much of Steele's information remained uncorroborated, the FBI nonetheless took the extraordinary step in October 2016 of seeking a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) surveillance warrant to monitor Carter Page during the final days of the election, based mostly on Steele's dossier. The warrant was renewed at least three times, but Page was never charged.

Ohr's connections to Steele are significant because at least one of the FISA warrants was approved by Ohr's boss, Yates.

By early November 2016, Steele was terminated for unauthorized media contacts - and the FBI was turning to Ohr as a back channel to Steele.

Ohr's notes suggest he met Nov. 21, 2016, with FBI officials that included Strzok, then-FBI attorney Lisa Page and another agent. Strzok and Page have become the poster children for Republicans who believe the FBI abused its authority by investigating Trump on flimsy evidence. FBI records confirm an interview with Ohr around that time.

Ohr's notes from that meeting indicate that FBI officials told him they "may go back to Chris" - an apparent reference to Steele - just 20 days after dismissing him.

In all, Ohr's notes, emails and texts identify more than 60 contacts with Steele and/or Simpson, some dating to 2002 in London. But the vast majority occurred during the 2016-2017 timeframe that gave birth to one of the most controversial counterintelligence probes in American history.

Most importantly, the new memos make clear that Ohr, a man whose name was barely uttered during the first 18 months of the scandal, may have played a critical role in stitching together a Democratic opposition research project and the top echelons of the FBI and DOJ.

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/400810-opinion-how-a-senior-justice-official-helped-dems-on-trump-russia-case?amp&__twitter_impression=trueYep, totally threw the election to Hillary with all those October surprises.

[Chris]

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[TSA]

I will always lol anonymous faux pundits like the ones you worship because they are too chickenshit to put their names on anything.

I do not respect them and will ridicule them at every opportunity.

That is my point.

I’m sure the ridicule from anonymous Pavlov on spurstalk.com that is never received by the anonymous tweeters on twitter.com really stings tbh.

You are nothing more than anonymous old man yells at cloud.

[Chris]

Poor Pavlov just got obliterated ^ lol

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

cross-examination of a cooperating witness is typically an attempt to discredit them because of their incentive to give testimony favorable to the prosecution. its standard stuff.

but i'm expecting a few dozen tweets/posts here about how they crushed gates' credibility because of his deal

[dabom]

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Guess that means Manafort is done by association. :lmao

[dabom]

And chrissyboy defends a tax cheat. :lmao

[dabom]

chrissyboy owning himself. :lol

[Reck]

Ohr shit! someone got a hold of his texts


==========================

Hundreds of pages of previously unreported emails and memos provide the clearest evidence yet that a research firm, hired by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to find dirt on and defeat Donald Trump, worked early and often with the FBI, a Department of Justice (DOJ) official and the intelligence community during the 2016 presidential election and the early days of Trump's presidency.

Fusion GPS's work and its involvement with several FBI officials have been well reported.

But a close review of these new documents shows just how closely Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, who reported to Obama-era Deputy AG Sally Yates, maintained contact with Fusion - and, in particular, its primary source, former British spy Christopher Steele - before, during and after the election.

Yates was fired by President Trump over an unrelated political dispute. Ohr was demoted recently.

Ohr's own notes, emails and text messages show he communicated extensively with Steele and with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson. Those documents have been turned over in recent weeks to investigative bodies in Congress and the DOJ, but not reviewed outside the investigative ranks until now.

They show Ohr had contact with Steele in the days just before the FBI opened its Trump-Russia probe in summer 2016, and then engaged Steele as a "confidential human source" (CHS) assisting in that probe.

They also confirm that Ohr later became a critical conduit of continuing information from Steele after the FBI ended the Brit's role as an informant.

"B, doubtless a sad and crazy day for you re- SY," Steele texted Ohr on Jan. 31, 2017, referencing President Trump's firing of Sally Yates for insubordination.

Steele's FBI relationship had been terminated about three months earlier. The bureau concluded on Nov. 1, 2016, that he leaked information to the news media and was "not suitable for use" as a confidential source, memos show.

The FBI specifically instructed Steele that he could no longer "operate to obtain any intelligence whatsoever on behalf of the FBI," those memos show.

Yet, Steele asked Ohr in the Jan. 31 text exchange if he could continue to help feed information to the FBI: "Just want to check you are OK, still in the situ and able to help locally as discussed, along with your Bureau colleagues."

"I'm still here and able to help as discussed," Ohr texted back. "I'll let you know if that changes."

Steele replied, "If you end up out though, I really need another (bureau?) contact point/number who is briefed. We can't allow our guy to be forced to go back home. It would be disastrous." Investigators are trying to determine who Steele was referring to.

FBI officials now admit they continued to receive information from Steele through Ohr, identifying more than a half-dozen times its agents interviewed Ohr in late 2016 and 2017, to learn what Steele was saying.

That continued reliance on Steele after his termination is certain to raise interest in Congress about whether the FBI broke its own rules.

But the memos also raise questions about Ohr's and the Justice Department's roles in the origins of building a counterintelligence case against the Republican presidential nominee, based heavily on opposition research funded by his rival's campaign, the DNC, and the DNC's main law firm, Perkins Coie.

Some of the more tantalizing Ohr contacts occurred in the days when Steele made his first contacts with the FBI in summer 2016 about the Russia matter.

"There is something separate I wanted to discuss with you informally and separately. It concerns our favourite (sic) business tycoon!" Steele wrote Ohr on July 1, 2016, in an apparent reference to Trump.

That overture came just four days before Steele walked into the FBI office in Rome with still-unproven allegations that Trump had an improper relationship with Russia, including possible efforts to hijack the presidential election.

Ohr scheduled a call with Steele over Skype a few days later. But then the two men met in Washington on July 30, 2016, at the Mayflower Hotel.

Ohr brought his wife, Nellie, who was working at Fusion GPS on the Trump-Russia research project.

"Great to see you and Nellie this morning Bruce," Steele wrote shortly after their breakfast meeting. "Let's keep in touch on the substantive issues/s (sic). Glenn is happy to speak to you on this if it would help."

That meeting occurred exactly one day before FBI counterintelligence official Peter Strzok formally opened an investigation, dubbed Crossfire Hurricane, into whether the Trump campaign was colluding with Moscow to steal the election.

At the time, the case was based mostly on an Australian diplomat's tip that Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos appeared to know in advance that the Russians possessed information involving Hillary Clinton before hacked documents were released on WikiLeaks.

Soon, the case expanded to include allegations that another Trump adviser, Carter Page, might have ties to Russia - an uncorroborated allegation from Fusion GPS's research now known as the "Steele dossier."

Calendar notations and handwritten notes indicate Ohr followed up on Steele's offer and met with Simpson on Aug. 22, 2016. Ohr's notes indicate Simpson identified several "possible intermediaries" between the Trump campaign and Russia.

One was identified as a "longtime associate of Trump" who "put together several real estate deals for Russian investigators to purchase Trump properties." Another was a Russian apparently tied to Carter Page, Ohr's note of his Simpson contact indicated.

Steele offered Ohr many other theories over their contacts, including a now widely discredited one that the Russian Alfa Bank had a computer server "as a link" to the Trump campaign, Ohr's notes show.

Though much of Steele's information remained uncorroborated, the FBI nonetheless took the extraordinary step in October 2016 of seeking a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) surveillance warrant to monitor Carter Page during the final days of the election, based mostly on Steele's dossier. The warrant was renewed at least three times, but Page was never charged.

Ohr's connections to Steele are significant because at least one of the FISA warrants was approved by Ohr's boss, Yates.

By early November 2016, Steele was terminated for unauthorized media contacts - and the FBI was turning to Ohr as a back channel to Steele.

Ohr's notes suggest he met Nov. 21, 2016, with FBI officials that included Strzok, then-FBI attorney Lisa Page and another agent. Strzok and Page have become the poster children for Republicans who believe the FBI abused its authority by investigating Trump on flimsy evidence. FBI records confirm an interview with Ohr around that time.

Ohr's notes from that meeting indicate that FBI officials told him they "may go back to Chris" - an apparent reference to Steele - just 20 days after dismissing him.

In all, Ohr's notes, emails and texts identify more than 60 contacts with Steele and/or Simpson, some dating to 2002 in London. But the vast majority occurred during the 2016-2017 timeframe that gave birth to one of the most controversial counterintelligence probes in American history.

Most importantly, the new memos make clear that Ohr, a man whose name was barely uttered during the first 18 months of the scandal, may have played a critical role in stitching together a Democratic opposition research project and the top echelons of the FBI and DOJ.

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/400810-opinion-how-a-senior-justice-official-helped-dems-on-trump-russia-case?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Good lord, TSA will you ever learn?

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

I’m sure the ridicule from anonymous Pavlov on spurstalk.com that is never received by the anonymous tweeters on twitter.com really stings tbh.I'm ridiculing you here for worshiping them.


You are nothing more than anonymous old man yells at cloud.And you're nothing more than an anonymous younger man who spews conspiracy theories that anonymous tweeters, blog writers and 4/8chan users give you.

[Pavlov]

Good lord, TSA will you ever learn?THE NEXT DOCUMENTS WILL BE FOR SURE BOOM NOT LIKE LAST TIME WHEN I SAID THEY WOULD BE FOR SURE BOOM

[dabom]

manafort is past well done at this point. :lol

[dabom]

So who's next? orange shit junior? :lol

[Chris]

So who's next? orange shit junior? :lol

Roger Stone :tu

[dabom]

Roger Stone :tu

Not many choices but you might actually get "take" points from this one. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Are we sick of Booming, yet? So much booming!

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

What's my way?


Anything pro Manafort.


1027004630134403072

[Chris]

Yep, more coming.

[Pavlov]

I CAN TELL HE'S LYING BECAUSE OF HIS BODY LANGUAGE IN THE TRANSCRIPT

[Chris]

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Downing on the warpath!

[Spurminator]

No one's reading that shit.

[spurraider21]

What's my way?


Anything pro Manafort.
eyup

[Chris]

More like anti-Mueller. Nice try though.

[Pavlov]

More like anti-Mueller. Nice try though.Because war hero veterans bad.

SO BAD

Right, Chris?

[spurraider21]

More like anti-Mueller. Nice try though.
so you don't believe Q. nice.

then why do you keep posting q shit? :lol

[Chris]

Because war hero veterans bad.

SO BAD

Right, Chris?


Flynn is a war hero veteran. By your logic he must be good.

[Pavlov]

Flynn is a war hero veteran. By your logic he must be good.Did good work before he lost his mind tbh. Now look at him -- pleading guilty to a felony and cooperating with....










.....war hero veteran Robert Mueller.

[Chris]

so you don't believe Q. nice.

then why do you keep posting q shit? :lol

Haven't posted anything from Q in 2 weeks.

lol whataboutery

[Pavlov]

Haven't posted anything from Q in 2 weeks.So clear it up.

Do you believe Q?

Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

Morning Joe panel blisters ‘living symbol of hypocrisy’ Mike Pence for standing by and ignoring Trump’s depravities

Vice President Mike Pence, who wrote two op-eds back in the 1990s arguing in favor of removing President Bill Clinton from office because of his affair with Monica Lewinsky, the hosts of Morning Joe called the veep out.

According to the report, Pence maintained (https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/mike-pence-argued-lying-cheating-president-removed-office-probably-regrets/) Clinton’s lying, and subsequent lying was troubling and showed a lack of morality, making Clinton unfit for office.

“He was a radio host then and now has fallen down to vice president of the United States?” Barnicle smirked.”

Those are words to live by and restores your faith in the one enduring aspect of American politics: hypocrisy.

Because he [Pence] is the living symbol of hypocrisy.”

Host Scarborough then piled on, saying,

“This is just self-righteous and sickening given the current stand that he’s in right now,

but for Mike Pence, again, I keep wondering; when is Mike Pence going to speak out?”

For good measure, Scarborough added,

“You know, Donald Trump and Mike Pence and the Republican Party supported [accused child molester] Roy Moore.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/morning-joe-panel-blisters-living-symbol-hypocrisy-mike-pence-standing-ignoring-trumps-depravities/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/morning-joe-panel-blisters-living-symbol-hypocrisy-mike-pence-standing-ignoring-trumps-depravities/)

[benefactor]

No one's reading that shit.
I've never read a single one.

[djohn2oo8]

Trump’s first backer in congress arrested :lol

[djohn2oo8]

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[Pavlov]

1027188194767523841


Really, at least one of TSA's sealed indictments has to be against Susan Rice, right? They're just saving that for later, right?

[djohn2oo8]

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[Chris]

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[TSA]

Ohr shit!

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[RandomGuy]

Ohr shit!

1027251971038765056

Did Trump campaign collude with Russia?

[Chris]

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[boutons_deux]

Trump’s end-game strategy will involve his cult-like followers insisting he colluded with Russia to save America



I have explained on numerous occasions that Donald Trump colluded with Russia in plain sight to steal the 2016 presidential election from Hillary Clinton and the American people.

Trump has also continued to obstruct justice to conceal what was probably a crime and certainly a treasonous act.


Trump’s final move

Trump may finally admit that he worked with the Russians

to stop Hillary Clinton because she was a “threat” to the American people and the “American way of life.”

Donald Trump will hide his behavior, and that of his allies, behind a mask that their goal was pure and patriotic.


Donald Trump again signaled in that direction. He tweeted this:


Collusion with Russia was very real.

Hillary Clinton and her team 100% colluded with the Russians,

and so did Adam Schiff who is on tape trying to collude with what he thought was Russians to obtain compromising material on DJT.

We also know that Hillary Clinton paid through a law firm, eventually Kremlin connected sources, to gather info on Donald Trump.

Collusion is very real with Russia, but only with Hillary and the Democrats, and we should demand a full investigation.



Will it work?



Yes.


Trump’s political movement meets the definition of a cult (https://www.salon.com/2015/12/23/donald_trump_leads_an_insane_white_cult_and_pat_bu chanan_just_explained_how_it_works/).

As explained by Steven Hassan, one of the world’s foremost experts on the subject,

“Donald Trump fits the stereotypical profile of a cult leader.

His followers fit the model as well.

Many of them, especially the ones that say,

‘He could do anything and we would still believe him, we would still follow him,’

sound like people who have been indoctrinated into a totalistic mindset.”





Republicans and other conservatives are increasingly authoritarian (https://www.salon.com/2018/08/02/are-white-people-ready-to-bail-on-democracy-these-researchers-say-the-danger-is-real/) and possess a deep disdain for democracy.

Research by political scientists and others has revealed that

“winning at any costs” — even if that means subverting democracy (https://www.salon.com/2018/03/26/authors-of-how-democracies-die-america-will-never-get-back-to-the-norms-we-had-before-trump/) — is increasingly all that matters for many on the American right.

“The unfortunate aspect is that

if you set the bar so high in terms of outrage and horror

then people all too often let things continue when they could have been stopped earlier.

Once it gets to that point it’s way too late.”

history’s epitaph for American democracy —

that less-than-perfect time before the irreparable harm inflicted on our country’s democracy and culture by Trump’s presidency —

may well include the observation that

Americans surrendered their country with surprisingly little struggle.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/trumps-end-game-strategy-will-involve-cult-life-followers-insisting-colluded-russia-save-america/

[Chris]

Ohr shit!

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[spurraider21]

http://i.magaimg.net/img/1opu.jpg

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

Perjury trap!

[Chris]

Top Government Spooks & Hackers on the FBI’s Payroll: DNC Computer Breach Linked to Bernie Sanders, Not Hackers


https://i1.wp.com/truepundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/bernie-sanders.jpg?resize=1200%2C575&ssl=1



We asked a number of government spooks and hackers and contractors who have worked for the FBI and other spooky federal agencies to examine the Democratic National Committee’s chronic claims — which have been echoed by Robert Mueller — that it was hacked and that is how its internal emails were divulged prior to the 2016 election.

Their conclusion? Not possible.

The DNC breach was an inside job.

And Bernie Sanders’ faithful are implicated. NOT Russian hackers.

This story is another piece to the story we broke last week: A Group of Top Government Spooks & Hackers on the FBI’s Payroll Just Tore Mueller’s Russian Indictments to Shreds; “Piles” of Fabricated Evidence Detailed Here

A report from December 19th, 2015 by Amy Dacey, CEO of the Democratic National Committee, January 2014 to August, 2016 just might throw a monkey wrench into Mueller’s investigation.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 NGP VAN (DNC voter database and other proprietary information) applied a software patch to the DNC’s voter database system that created an error where Bernie Sanders’ campaign staff could access valuable information belonging to the Clinton campaign.

We would presume Clinton staff email addresses would be some of this information.

NGP VAN found Sanders’ campaign staff, including his national data director, had accessed “proprietary information” from the Clinton campaign database.

These Bernie staffers saved this information to personal folders where “at least one staffer appeared to have generated reports and exported them from the system.”

Amy Dacey was the CEO of the Democratic National Committee from January 2014 until her resignation in August 2016.

Amy Dacey:

“None of this is in dispute. It’s fully documented in the system logs”
“On Thursday December 17, 2015, further NGP VAN analysis revealed that it was very likely that a user had taken data out of the system during the breach”
Dacey goes on to say that Sanders campaign confirmed that one of its staff was deleting his digital footprint in order to hide his activities in gathering Clinton campaign data.

Amy Dacey:

“The next step is to continue to investigate the incident with the help of an independent auditor.”
“The DNC is currently beginning the process of securing an additional, independent audit by a data security firm of NGP VAN’s procedures.”
Well, did this happen and who was the auditor? CrowdStrike was hired by the DNC in April, 2016, around 4 months after this breach. Was it CrowdStrike who was hired for this audit?

If CrowdStrike was the auditor for this localized breach that adds an interesting overlap for these Russian investigations considering The Sanders’ campaign had full access to the Clinton campaign database. How long did they have this access?

FBI, between September, 2015 and November, 2015 was consistently notifying DNC of attacks on their server, per the IC Report, but DNC’s IT staff didn’t find a breach.

Supposedly DNC’s IT staff finally found a breach in April, 2016. Makes ya wonder why they couldn’t find one from September to November, 2015 during the time when NGP VAN inadvertently gave Sanders’ campaign access to Clinton campaign’s database.

Another interesting overlap is found within the DNC lawsuit filed against everyone and their mother:

Around July 27, 2015 (about 2 months before FBI’s warnings) “Russian intelligence agents hacked into DNC’s computers and network – IC Report & DNC Lawsuit.
Around April 18, 2016, Russia, GRU, and GRU Operative 1 (Guccifer 2.0) *separately*hacked into the DNC’s computers and network – DNC Lawsuit.
Is this Mueller and the FBI, possibly the CIA’s construction of a Twilight Zone episode?

Who is this mysterious Guccifer 2.0 character and where did he/she/they really get the NGP VAN Clinton database records?

Amy Dacey was mentioned in the Wikileaks email dump from July 22, 2016 where Clinton campaign staffers were conspiring to attach either the “jew” or “atheist” label to Bernie to sway “Southern Baptist peeps” away from Bernie, to Hillary.

DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz appointed Dacey to the post of CEO of the DNC in October 2013, and began her work for the DNC in January 2014.


https://truepundit.com/top-government-spooks-hackers-on-the-fbis-payroll-dnc-computer-breach-linked-to-bernie-sanders-not-hackers/

Seth Rich

[spurraider21]

lol spooky

[djohn2oo8]

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[Fabbs]

I'm not doing 1180 pages.
Is this stupid phucking investigation (like ALL political investigations) coming to a completion anytime soon?

[djohn2oo8]

Lol Omarosa has recordings of Trump. You damn well know Putin does.

[boutons_deux]

The kriminal klowns should be worried

By the public record of Trash's and DJT JR's admissions, Jr was going to a meeting with several Russian to receive stolen material ("I love it") from a foreign (adversarial), subversive source.

And Trash knew about the meeting in advance because he announced there was to an announcement about dirt on Hillary, but the announcement wasn't made because the dirt wasn't there.

And they BOTH LIED about the meeting, because they knew they had to COVERUP their wrongdoing!

That's a quite sufficient, incriminating public record.

WTH else could Mueller also know?

[boutons_deux]

Trump's Self Sabotage Is Epic, Meeting With Mueller Could Be His Waterloo (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786319/-Trump-s-Self-Sabotage-Is-Epic-Meeting-With-Mueller-Could-Be-His-Waterloo)

https://images.dailykos.com/images/480617/story_image/MUELLER-TRUMP.jpg?1512502725

Trump's like a character in a Shakespearean tragedy, "The fault lies not in our stars, dear Brutus, but in ourselves."

Jay Sekulow said Sunday, "The President has been clear that he wants to interview. I will tell you

his legal team is concerned."

Concerned, they’re wearing Depends.

Trump actually wants to sit down in a room with Mueller and discuss

obstruction of justice,

jury tampering,

aiding and abetting,

collusion and conspiracy.

Mister “react rather than reflect” really wants to go in and discuss the facts of the FBI probe into Russia’s attack upon the 2016 election, because

somehow, fantastically, he believes he can bluff Mueller.


...facts are whatever Trump deems them to be on any given day.

When he is challenged, he instinctively doubles down —

even when what he has just said is demonstrably false.

I saw that countless times,

whether it was as trivial as exaggerating the number of floors at Trump Tower or

as consequential as telling me that his casinos were performing well when they were actually going bankrupt.

In the same way,

Trump would see no contradiction at all in changing his story about why he fired Comey and

thereby undermining the statements of his aides, or in any other lie he tells.

His aim is never accuracy; it’s domination.


Trump is so far out of his depth that it is pathetic

and any descent into fight or flight mode is going to blow up in his face.

Rick Wilson, Rolling Stone: (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trumps-tweet-trump-tower-meeting-707063/)

A meeting with Mueller is the big leagues,

where the stakes are existential,

the opposing team is merciless and

the downside risks are the size of the White House.

This impulsive, stubborn man can’t resist trying to pull off this stunt. [...]

Think about the glorious hubris it takes to trust that

the famed Trump bullshit volcano will conquer that interview.

It’s delusional to believe that the same techniques Trump deployed in an endless chain of

bankruptcies,

failed projects,

skipped debts,

screwed vendors,

shady third-world real estate branding schemes,

multi-level marketing flops and

endless self-fellating ego aggrandizement

will work in the face of serious men and women who have rolled up terrorists, mobsters and spies.

These aren’t trifling people.

These aren’t rubes in a long chain of greater-fool theory bankers, condo buyers and reality-TV-addicted aspirational Trump-brand purchasers whom he fooled time and again. [...]

The distance between

Trump’s belief that he’s a superstar negotiator who can take on seasoned investigators and

bullshit his way out of the Russia investigation

is ludicrous,

but the very concept represents a broader, more telling point about Trump, our current media climate and America’s changed politics.

If not now, then

very soon the president’s lawyers will be eyeing the exits,

power-calling their media contacts and

having panicked off-the-record conversations,

whispering that they never knew just how bad it was going to be.

Trump has slipped the leash.

He’s gone full rogue,

defying not only legal advice

but every member of his slope-shouldered claque of shell-shocked,

thousand-yard stare advisers.

He’s back to tweeting with a manic vigor typically seen only in people equipped with a Red Bull IV drip and

a pound of pure Bolivian flake on their desk.


Trump has tweeted the words “no collusion” 436 times. :lol

Everything Trump tweets is not only admissible in a court of law,

it is a part of the presidential record.

His tweet about Junior attending the Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary was stupidly destructive.

Unquestionably somebody has tried to explain to him the gravity of this admission — but maybe the explanation bounced off, as everything does if not totally about him.

The Trump I got to know

had no deep ideological beliefs,

nor any passionate feeling about anything

but his immediate self-interest.

He derives his sense of significance from conquests and accomplishments.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786319/-Trump-s-Self-Sabotage-Is-Epic-Meeting-With-Mueller-Could-Be-His-Waterloo?detail=emaildkre

[TSA]

Ohr shit!

1027251971038765056

Ohr shit! everywhere

“Yet, in a private letter to Congress, shown to me, Rosenstein declared he was unaware of Ohr's activities with Steele. Ohr was "not assigned to the Russia investigation and he was not in the chain of command," Rosenstein wrote. "Any involvement Mr. Ohr had in this matter was without my knowledge."

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/401007-opinion-top-doj-official-discussed-getting-steele-back-into-fbi-mueller-probe?amp=1

[TSA]

mohr shit!

1027324254428299265

[Reck]

TSA and Chris working overtime in light of the Nunes tapes. :lol

Walls of text abound.

[Pavlov]

TSA and Chris working overtime in light of the Nunes tapes. :lol

Walls of text abound.All the nothingburgers!

[Chris]

mohr shit!

1027324254428299265

1027369125784547328

Saul Alinksy

[TSA]

TSA and Chris working overtime in light of the Nunes tapes. :lol

Walls of text abound.

You have it backwards. djohn is working overtime in light of the Ohr/Steele texts.

[Pavlov]

Nah, it's not really BOOM.

[Winehole23]

I'm not doing 1180 pages.
Is this stupid phucking investigation (like ALL political investigations) coming to a completion anytime soon?pretty fast for legal process tbh. compare with previous independent/special counsel investigations

[Chris]

1027383818540306432

[Reck]

1027306154429505537

https://i.imgur.com/HGnDTsR.jpg


:lmao

Trump forgot to add no icecream questions or how many scoops I like.

Stupid fuck.

[Winehole23]

It would be stupid for DJT to meet with Mueller under any conditions. I would say he and his lawyers can't possibly be that stupid, but you never know.

[DarrinS]

Hillary and DNC getting Trump dirt from Russians (through cutouts) is fine. Don Jr meeting trying to do the same, but failing, is the crime of the century. Strange.

[Winehole23]

You don't see the difference between a contracting for oppo research through a private company and negotiating directly with foreign fixers? Strange.

[DarrinS]

You don't see the difference between a contracting for oppo research through a private company and negotiating directly with foreign fixers? Strange.

The difference is political experience.

[Winehole23]

one might be a crime, the other isn't.

not knowing the difference might be naivete, it might be incompetence, sure.

it's also possible that DJT's campaign knew exactly what it was doing and thought it would never be held to account.

[Reck]

Hillary and DNC getting Trump dirt from Russians (through cutouts) is fine. Don Jr meeting trying to do the same, but failing, is the crime of the century. Strange.

A double *DING.

You dont see that often.

[Winehole23]

just gonna throw this out there, I have no opinion about what this means or whether it means anything:

1027200182033805312

[DarrinS]

A double *DING.

You dont see that often.

Your lack of interest in collusion by Democrats is noted.

[Winehole23]

lol collusion.

you're as dumb as they are if you find that persuasive, Darrin

[DarrinS]

just gonna throw this out there, I have no opinion about what this means or whether it means anything:

1027200182033805312


More interesting than Manafort trial.

[Reck]

Your lack of interest in collusion by Democrats is noted.

Because there wasn't any.

Certainly not to the point of criminality.

You can screech all you like about the false and unproven claim that somehow it was the democrats who colluded with the democrats. That's laughable on it's face.

[DarrinS]

lol collusion.

you're as dumb as they are if you find that persuasive, Darrin


Not collusion when Democrats do it.

[Winehole23]

how is paying a private company for oppo research "collusion"?

walk us through it Darrin. don't forget to cite the relevant US laws, and try to spell out how the facts of the case fulfill the elements of the crime(s)

[TSA]

1027383818540306432

Floodgates wide open now. John Solomon articles are just a hint of what’s to come. This shit is getting blown wide open right before the mid-terms. Shocked Trump was this patient with what he knows was a fraud of an investigation.

[Winehole23]

you are always saying NOW IT IS BOOM, and every time you've been wrong.

how is this BOOM?

[TSA]

just gonna throw this out there, I have no opinion about what this means or whether it means anything:

1027200182033805312

Warner’s ties to Waldman, Derispaka, and Assange make it peculiar.

[Chris]

Floodgates wide open now. John Solomon articles are just a hint of what’s to come. This shit is getting blown wide open right before the mid-terms. Shocked Trump was this patient with what he knows was a fraud of an investigation.

Thoughts on Rosenstein? I'm leaning towards white hat.

[DarrinS]

He should just declassify everything and expose what FBI, NSA, and DOJ were doing.

[TSA]

you are always saying NOW IT IS BOOM, and every time you've been wrong.

how is this BOOM?

I’ve never said NOW IT IS BOOM.

[Reck]

So is that why Warner signed the letter for Assange to testify. Because he low key wants to get exposed by Assange?

[TSA]

Thoughts on Rosenstein? I'm leaning towards white hat.

Don’t know tbh. But he’s still employed so leaning towards white hat.

[TSA]

He should just declassify everything and expose what FBI, NSA, and DOJ were doing.

He will.

[Reck]

TSA, Darrin and Chris.

:lmao

[Winehole23]

Warner’s ties to Waldman, Derispaka, and Assange make it peculiar.ok. I'm listening....

[DarrinS]

He will.

Wtf is taking him so long?

[Chucho]

LOL, this thread. How would it exist without Twitter?

[TSA]

Wtf is taking him so long?

mid-terms

[DarrinS]

He will.

Wtf is taking him so long?

[Winehole23]

I’ve never said NOW IT IS BOOM.not in so many words, but close enough


Floodgates wide open now. John Solomon articles are just a hint of what’s to come. This shit is getting blown wide open right before the mid-terms.

[DarrinS]

Sorry, duplicate

[Winehole23]

mid-termsdeclassification is DJT's insurance policy?

[Winehole23]

why wouldn't DJT want to put his thumb on the scales, if declassification would exculpate him while discrediting Mueller?

might even energize the electoral base.

I'm with DarrinS, why wait?

[DarrinS]

LOL, this thread. How would it exist without Twitter?

MSM -> twitter -> djohn -> ST

[DarrinS]

why wouldn't DJT want to put his thumb on the scales, if declassification would exculpate him while discrediting Mueller?

might even energize the electoral base.

I'm with DarrinS, why wait?

:lol

[Reck]

So TSA is also admitting Wikileaks is working with and to help republicans after spending a couple of years defending their neutrality. Ok, sweet.

[TSA]

not in so many words, but close enough

is getting =/= is now

[Winehole23]

:lolThere might be good institutional reasons not to. The DEEP STATE isn't to be trifled with.

Also, DJT might be chastened by his last attempt at PR by selective declassification -- it wasn't the resounding victory hoped for.

Made Nunes look like a liar and a jackass, tbh

[hitmanyr2k]

He should just declassify everything and expose what FBI, NSA, and DOJ were doing.

Common sense says there's really nothing to declassify. Devin Nunes was sent on a fishing expedition to find anything to throw a bomb into the investigation. The hyped up #Releasethememo hashtag stunt that every dullard Trump University enrollee was parroting for weeks was a big failure and made Nunes look like a fool. When that failed Rudy "Uncle Leo" Giuliani took over the cable news circuit as a last ditch effort.

[Winehole23]

is getting =/= is nowput some ointment on it

[TSA]

ok. I'm listening....

Warner was using Waldman as a back channel to Steele

Waldman represented both Assange and Derispaka

Steele was very interested in Derispaka getting visa

[TSA]

why wouldn't DJT want to put his thumb on the scales, if declassification would exculpate him while discrediting Mueller?

might even energize the electoral base.

I'm with DarrinS, why wait?

If released too soon anti-Trump MSM would kill impact before mid-terms

[Winehole23]

so Wikileaks and Deripaska were HRC cutouts moved into place to incriminate DJT?

what's the scheme?

[DarrinS]

Common sense says there's really nothing to declassify. Devin Nunes was sent on a fishing expedition to find anything to throw a bomb into the investigation. The hyped up #Releasethememo hashtag stunt that every dullard Trump University enrollee was parroting for weeks was a big failure and made Nunes look like a fool. When that failed Rudy "Uncle Leo" Giuliani took over the cable news circuit as a last ditch effort.


I guess we’ll see.

[Winehole23]

If released too soon anti-Trump MSM would kill impact before mid-termshow so?

the MSM sure didn't kill the impact of "her emails" and Wikileaks, quite the reverse.

[TSA]

so Wikileaks and Deripaska were HRC cutouts moved into place to incriminate DJT?

what's the scheme?

Never said or even alluded to that. Just said the ties are peculiar.

[Winehole23]

so what's your working hypothesis?

what strikes you as peculiar? more than a few blanks have to be filled in to make it a story.

[Winehole23]

hypothesis: the MSM was DJT's #1 supporter and #1 detractor.

nobody else got as much free coverage. it wasn't even close.

[TSA]

how so?

the MSM sure didn't kill the impact of "her emails" and Wikileaks, quite the reverse.

Except it’s not the reverse and is exactly the same. MSM will be forced to report, there won’t be time to spin other narratives.

[TSA]

so what's your working hypothesis?

what strikes you as peculiar? more than a few blanks have to be filled in to make it a story.

It’s not a story yet. What strikes me as peculiar is Steele’s concern about Derispaka getting his visa.

[Winehole23]

Except it’s not the reverse and is exactly the same. MSM will be forced to report, there won’t be time to spin other narratives.We know all the classified information cuts in DJT's favor, so releasing it would be an unqualified benefit to Republicans. The MSM would be forced to report it and would have little time to spin counter-narratives.

Right?

[Winehole23]

It’s not a story yet. What strikes me as peculiar is Steele’s concern about Derispaka getting his visa.Wariness becomes you.

Are you running low on burn cream?

[Chris]

The idea that there is "nothing to declassify" is ludicrous. I would expect Trump to start with the 20 redacted pages of the June 2017 FISA renewal. After that we have 63 pages of emails and notes between Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele. Possibly the FD-302 summaries of the 12 FBI interviews concerning Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele as well. It's going to be an exciting month.

[TSA]

Wariness becomes you.

Are you running low on burn cream?

This place can’t burn me, I’m good.

Do you not find the simultaneous links between Warner, Waldman, Steele, and Derispaka peculiar? Especially considering that Steele was working with the FBI at the same time?

[TSA]

The idea that there is "nothing to declassify" is ludicrous. I would expect Trump to start with the 20 redacted pages of the June 2017 FISA renewal. After that we have 63 pages of emails and notes between Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele. Possibly the FD-302 summaries of the 12 FBI interviews concerning Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele as well. It's going to be an exciting month.

Yeah Rudy’s most recent interview said as much. It’s all coming out.

[Spurminator]

The difference is political experience.

No the difference is the libs make you rage.

[Winehole23]

Do you not find the simultaneous links between Warner, Waldman, Steele, and Derispaka peculiar? Especially considering that Steele was working with the FBI at the same time?Common coincidences are commonly overblown, but there could be something to it.

I'm not pot committed to a pre-established narrative, or to a desired outcome, unlike most posters in this thread.

[Spurminator]

It's going to be an exciting month.

:lmao :lmao

[Chris]

Tensions flared up again during the trial between Andres and Ellis, who has repeatedly criticized the prosecutor’s courtroom etiquette, faulting him for various indiscretions such as not making eye contact when the judge is speaking to him.

The source of friction Wednesday morning was what Ellis perceived as the Mueller prosecutor's overly casual responses to questions.

At one point while Gates was on the stand and jurors were in the courtroom, Ellis asked the prosecutor a question about whether his questions followed on an earlier line of inquiry by the defense.

“Yeah,” Andres responded.

“What?” Ellis said, sounding incredulous and irritated.

“Yes,” Andres replied.

The exchange earned Andres a scolding. “Be careful about that,” he told Andres. “This is not an informal proceeding.”

Despite the warning, moments later, Andres offered what sounded like a “yup” in response to another question from the judge.

“I beg your pardon?” Ellis intoned, his irritation evident.

“Yes, Judge,” Andres answered.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/manafort-trial-day-7-rick-gates-767370

[TSA]

Common coincidences are commonly overblown, but there could be something to it.

I'm not pot committed to a pre-established narrative, or to a desired outcome, unlike most posters in this thread.

It shows, and always respected that.

[TSA]

No the difference is the libs make you rage.

Enough to make an alt to vent that rage?

[Winehole23]

that the FBI had dealings with an informant isn't so weird, but it seems kinda weird that a back-channel was maintained after the FBI supposedly cut ties with Steele for being unreliable.

seems to me the Steele dossier and personal relationships are getting over-freighted with significance. it remains to be seen whether the declassifications go boom -- most people have already made up their minds.

[Winehole23]

I have my doubts that DJT can do selective declassication right. The FISA declassification kinda backfired.

[spurraider21]

lol collusion.

you're as dumb as they are if you find that persuasive, Darrin
no collusion. just delusion and illusion!

[Winehole23]

http://www.fevatv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/FevaTV-JohnnieCochrane.jpg (http://www.fevatv.com/american-crime-story-eyes-samuel-l-jackson-for-johnnie-cochran-role-read/)

[Winehole23]

I'd not be troubled by any eventual conspiracy charges. but the lack of them wouldn't bother me much either. Mueller probably had Flynn dead to rights on conspiracy to start with.

[Winehole23]

This...


These leaks probably mark the first time ever that the content of foreign intelligence intercepts aimed at foreign agents that swept up US-person information was leaked. They clearly aimed to damage US persons – ones who happen to also be senior US government officials.

They were unlawful and, beyond that, they violated two until-now strict taboos about leaks – first on revealing the content of foreign intelligence information collected through electronic surveillance, and second on revealing the content of incidentally collected information about American citizens.

Many people, including many who are not in the Trump camp, have interpreted these leaks to violate a third taboo by marking a return to the Hoover-era FBI’s use of secretly collected information to sabotage elected officials with adverse political interests.



and this...


There is, of course, the possibility that the anti-Trump leaks, on their face political and unprecedented, were nonetheless justified whistleblowing, akin perhaps to leaks about illegal surveillance programs or about illegal interrogation practices at CIA black sites (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/09/cia-torture-black-site-enhanced-interrogation). Put another way, it is possible that the benefits of the leaks, considered narrowly, outweigh the evil inherent in breaching the first two taboos above.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/22/leaks-trump-deep-state-fbi-cia-michael-flynn



...can both be true at once.

[Pavlov]

I’ve never said NOW IT IS BOOM.You only said that Hillary was arrested last October.

[Pavlov]

This place can’t burn me, I’m good.You're covered in pizza burns tbh.

[boutons_deux]

...can both be true at once.

the deep state KNEW that Trash and his mafiya had been compromised by Pootin, had queered the 2016 election.

Because stupid, criminal Trash and his stupid, criminal mafiya got caught subverting America, they are whining that the deep state is political and anti-Repug, when in fact the deep state was fulfilling its role as (eg, anti-Russian) national security.

Doesn't help when Trash calls the deep state Nazis and liars.

That the deep state violated taboos is called unusual, but having a candidate (and long-time suspect under Russian control) and then President and his mafiya compromised by Pootin is extremely unusual and dangerous.

[boutons_deux]

"sensitive leaks from the deep state with such an overtly political aim to bring down senior leadership."

... that has long been clearly (to deep state) compromised by foreign adversary Pootin.

[Winehole23]

boutons standing up for the FBI and the CIA as (unofficial) guarantors of the democratic process. :D

[boutons_deux]

boutons standing up for the FBI and the CIA as (unofficial) guarantors of the democratic process. :D

... a take as bad as any from pgarden

[RandomGuy]

So now we have a new bill in Congress to punish Russia for its nerve agent attack on Great Britain, that is already causing a drop in the Ruble.

If the bill does not pass by another veto-proof majority, the theory that Donald Trump has been compromised would predict he will attempt a veto.
The theory predicts he will speak out publicly against this, and attempt to fight it by persuading Congress to not pass it.

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly, then drag his heels in implementation, as well as put out a signing statement that attempts to weaken the bill, by interpreting the language as narrowly as possible.

[DarrinS]

So now we have a new bill in Congress to punish Russia for its nerve agent attack on Great Britain, that is already causing a drop in the Ruble.

If the bill does not pass by another veto-proof majority, the theory that Donald Trump has been compromised would predict he will attempt a veto.
The theory predicts he will speak out publicly against this, and attempt to fight it by persuading Congress to not pass it.

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly, then drag his heels in implementation, as well as put out a signing statement that attempts to weaken the bill, by interpreting the language as narrowly as possible.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-russia-sanctions/index.html

[djohn2oo8]

Now Darrin is quoting CNN

[Reck]

So now we have a new bill in Congress to punish Russia for its nerve agent attack on Great Britain, that is already causing a drop in the Ruble.

If the bill does not pass by another veto-proof majority, the theory that Donald Trump has been compromised would predict he will attempt a veto.
The theory predicts he will speak out publicly against this, and attempt to fight it by persuading Congress to not pass it.

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly, then drag his heels in implementation, as well as put out a signing statement that attempts to weaken the bill, by interpreting the language as narrowly as possible.

Took them a few months but better late than never.

I wonder if Trump assured Putin he wouldn't actually act on it like the first round of sanctions that really went nowhere.

[djohn2oo8]

Took them a few months but better late than never.

I wonder if Trump assured Putin he wouldn't actually act on it like the first round of sanctions that really went nowhere.
None of this came from Trump.

[boutons_deux]

If it passes by a veto-proof majority, he will sign it grudgingly,

Trash has already flat refused to enforce sanctions on Russia that Congress passed by huge margin

[DarrinS]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-administration-hit-russia-new-sanctions-skripal-poisoning-n898856
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/world/europe/sanctions-russia-poisoning-spy-trump-putin.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-to-impose-new-sanctions-on-russia-for-nerve-agent-attack-in-england/2018/08/08/7c66b45e-9b3e-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html

[Pavlov]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-administration-hit-russia-new-sanctions-skripal-poisoning-n898856
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/world/europe/sanctions-russia-poisoning-spy-trump-putin.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-to-impose-new-sanctions-on-russia-for-nerve-agent-attack-in-england/2018/08/08/7c66b45e-9b3e-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.htmlGreat, you got any direct quotes from Trump on it?

[RandomGuy]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/us-state-department-russia-sanctions/index.html


In a statement Wednesday, State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said the US had made this decision on Monday, and accused Russia of violating international law. The statement anticipated the sanctions would go into effect around Aug. 22 in line with the Chemical and Biological Weapons Control and Warfare Elimination Act of 1991.
Sergei Skripal, a former Russian spy, and his daughter Yulia Skripal were hospitalized and treated for a nerve-agent attack in March. Yulia Skripal was discharged from the hospital in April, and her father was discharged in May.
The State Department notified Congress on Wednesday of the first of two potential tranches of sanctions required under the 1991 law. Unless Russia takes certain steps, a second set of penalties -- more stringent than this first round -- must follow, according to the law.

I don't see the word "Trump decided" anywhere Darrin. The state Department can and does make decisions on things completely without presidential sign-offs.

Tell me, what specifically was he involved in with this?

Can you demonstrate any knowledge of Donald Trump about these sanctions? Can you tell me if they are material?

Context is what a good critical thinker would want for this.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-administration-hit-russia-new-sanctions-skripal-poisoning-n898856
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/08/world/europe/sanctions-russia-poisoning-spy-trump-putin.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-administration-to-impose-new-sanctions-on-russia-for-nerve-agent-attack-in-england/2018/08/08/7c66b45e-9b3e-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html

https://www.whitehouse.gov/search/?s=russia+sanctions

I predict he will not like the headlines.

If he has been compromised expect him to overrule, or work to mitigate them, if he is even aware of them at all.

[spurraider21]

I don't see the word "Trump decided" anywhere Darrin. The state Department can and does make decisions on things completely without presidential sign-offs.

Tell me, what specifically was he involved in with this?

Can you demonstrate any knowledge of Donald Trump about these sanctions? Can you tell me if they are material?

Context is what a good critical thinker would want for this.
are you suggesting the state department would issue sanctions without input from the president? :lol

[DarrinS]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/trump-administration-sanctions-russian-bank-for-north-korea-ties.html

[Pavlov]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/trump-administration-sanctions-russian-bank-for-north-korea-ties.htmlOh, that one has a Trump quote!

1024879317577285633

:lmao Darrin

[DarrinS]

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/07/26/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

[Pavlov]

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/07/26/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/Any Trump quotes, Darrin?

Still waiting for your response.

[DarrinS]

Collusion evidently not paying off for the Russians. :lol

[Pavlov]

Collusion evidently not paying off for the Russians. :lol:lol Not one Trump quote.

[pgardn]

boutons standing up for the FBI and the CIA as (unofficial) guarantors of the democratic process. :D


... a take as bad as any from pgarden

This means Boots sees his problem.

He should join Spurter, Chris and TSA helping look for the DEEP STATE under each other’s beds.

[djohn2oo8]

1027665398244810753

[Chris]

lmao


1027629579387715584

[spurraider21]

saw that coming given the snippets we've gotten from the courtroom so far... the judge asking prosecutors if they're crying, etc.

that weighs on the jury

[dabom]

Any Trump quotes, Darrin?

Still waiting for your response.

:lol

[spurraider21]

but you left out the fact that judge ellis ended up conceding that he acted out and had to specifically address that to the jury this morning

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/09/paul-manafort-trial-day-8-judge-ellis-769889


The federal judge overseeing the Paul Manafort trial conceded Thursday morning that he made a mistake in chastising special counsel Robert Mueller’s prosecutors a day earlier in front of the jury.

Addressing the jurors before prosecutors called their first witness of the day, U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis said he “may well have been wrong” on Wednesday when he slammed the Mueller team for allowing an expert witness from the IRS to remain in the courtroom while other witnesses were testifying.


In their letter, Mueller's team said that the judge's action left a "negative impression" of them. "The Court’s sharp reprimand of government counsel in front of the jury on August 8 was...erroneous. And, while mistakes are a natural part of the trial process, the mistake here prejudiced the government," Mueller's team wrote, asking Ellis to tell jurors he was mistaken and the prosecution did nothing wrong.

Before the jury came in Thursday but after the session began, Asonye asked Ellis to address the issue. The judge snapped, “Alright, I’m going to take care of that.”

[Chris]

I didn't leave out anything. That link and quote were both included in the tweet.

lol @ "saw that coming"

Yeah right.

[dabom]

I didn't leave out anything. That link and quote were both included in the tweet.

lol @ "saw that coming"

Yeah right.

Do you agree with your tweets chris?

[spurraider21]

lmao


1027629579387715584


I didn't leave out anything. That link and quote were both included in the tweet.
your tweet does not have that quote nor does it link to that article. it links to sarah carter's blog. and nowhere in there is a link to the article i posted

lol @ "saw that coming"

Yeah right.
yeah, i didnt post it here, so cant really hold that against you.

btw the issue isn't really that the judge has ruled against them on objections or whatever... its that his tone/demeanor towards them can impact the jury in ways that it shouldn't.

[Chris]

but you left out the fact that judge ellis ended up conceding that he acted out and had to specifically address that to the jury this morning

Direct quote from sarcarter article:



“I don’t care what the transcript says, maybe I made a mistake,” Ellis fumed. “When I exclude witnesses I mean everybody unless I make a special exception.”

Direct link with quotes from saracarter article:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/manafort-trial-mueller-gates-ellis-768715 same authors

Want to try again?

[spurraider21]

Direct quote from sarcarter article:
that quote from ellis was from wednesday. that came BEFORE the prosecution's letter/complaint. this was separate from his apology to the jury on thursday.


Direct link with quotes from saracarter article:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/manafort-trial-mueller-gates-ellis-768715 same authors

Want to try again?
:lmao same authors. it's a different article, chris. don't be so disingenuous

the article i posted is more recent and includes the judge's apology to the jury on thursday.

[dabom]

:lol

[Chris]

So you're upset that she didn't link to an article that was updated and written 5 and half hours after she wrote her article? OK.

[Chris]

:cry She didn't link to my specific politico article that was written after she wrote hers :cry

[spurraider21]

So you're upset that she didn't link to an article that was updated and written 5 and half hours after she wrote her article? OK.
i'm not upset.

the article i referenced was first published at 10am eastern time today. sarah carter's article went up at 1:20pm eastern time today. and you posted it here just an hour ago... leaving out pretty important developments that had occurred as of that time

lol

[Pavlov]

lol Chirs pwnd and mad.

BUT MUH ELLIS

[spurraider21]

next chris will post an article from may about ellis yelling at prosecutors

[Chris]

i'm not upset.

the article i referenced was first published at 10am eastern time today. sarah carter's article went up at 1:20pm eastern time today. and you posted it here just an hour ago... leaving out pretty important developments that had occurred as of that time

lol

Yes, Sarah Carter was intentionally misleading you and the rest of the public by leaving out information that occurred either during or right after she posted the article. Nevermind the link to politico and an article written by the exact same authors. Congratulations bro on the solid sleuthing.

[spurraider21]

Yes, Sarah Carter was intentionally misleading you and the rest of the public by leaving out information that occurred either during or right after she posted the article. Nevermind the link to politico and an article written by the exact same authors. Congratulations bro on the solid sleuthing.
its less about carter intentionally misleading anybody and more about you being to intellectually lazy to figure shit out because you saw an article that you think is politically good for you

[Chris]

next chris will post an article from may about ellis yelling at prosecutors

How's that disingenuous thingy working out for you?

[Chris]

its less about carter intentionally misleading anybody and more about you being to intellectually lazy to figure shit out because you saw an article that you think is politically good for you

You said I left out a fact that occurred either during or directly after she wrote the article. These are your accusations.

[Chris]

its less about carter intentionally misleading anybody and more about you being to intellectually lazy to figure shit out because you saw an article that you think is politically good for you

How is the article "politically good" for me?

[Chris]

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[koriwhat]

1027708501408317441

:tu

[spurraider21]

You said I left out a fact that occurred either during or directly after she wrote the article. These are your accusations.
my accusation is that you posted outdated news which left out important developments. i dont care when carter wrote the article. even if she wrote it 5 hours before the developments, it woulnd't matter. what matter is that YOU posted it here long after it was outdated and you left out some pretty important information... ie judge ellis told the jury this morning that he was mistaken the day before


How is the article "politically good" for me?
you said anything anti-mueller is good for you. an article that paints the prosecution in a bad light (whining about a judge) is just that

[pgardn]

If you read some of the back and forth, the judge was clearly trying to clown around and get laugh and some notice.

Im sure it was hilarious, but ya had to be there.
I’m guessing...

[Chris]

my accusation is that you posted outdated news

Holy shit. Someone call a mod stat.


you said anything anti-mueller is good for you. an article that paints the prosecution in a bad light (whining about a judge) is just that

No. Someone said I was pro Manafort and I said I was anti Mueller. Why are so disingenuous, and why are you a liar?

[Chris]

:tu

Hang tight. They just getting started.