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djohn2oo8
06-06-2018, 09:46 PM
Rosenstein has more conflict than Sessions.

Trump said on live tv he always planned to fire Comey. Regardless of recommendation. Keep up Darrin.

Pavlov
06-06-2018, 09:47 PM
Rosenstein has more conflict than Sessions.OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO

A take!

Explain in your own words how Rosenstein has more of a conflict than Sessions.

DarrinS
06-06-2018, 09:50 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

A take!

Explain in your own words how Rosenstein has more of a conflict than Sessions.



Explain how he doesn’t?

Pavlov
06-06-2018, 09:53 PM
Explain how he doesn’t?And Darrin immediately tries a derp impression to escape explaining his one take.

lol

Spurminator
06-06-2018, 09:54 PM
Manafort witness tampering circle jerk getting a bucket of ice water :lol

https://www.lawfareblog.com/manafort-tampering-allegations

I'm impressed, you finally found a decent source who isn't a MAGAtard or InfoWars writer.

Since I assume you trust Paul Rosenzweig, I'm sure you'll appreciate him throwing a bucket of water on basically everything you've pretended to believe for the past two years.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/attacking-our-civic-faith

We have a President who tries every day to undermine the public’s confidence in the rule of law – who sows doubt about the integrity of the women and men of the Department of Justice and the FBI (women and men whose integrity and commitment to public service I saw up close every day for the better part of eight years when I was in the government), a President who demands that his political adversaries be thrown in prison, who attacks the integrity of judges when they rule against him.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/trump-malignancy-and-book-will-not-be-written

The malignant deviancy of the Trump administration and Trumpist supporters in Congress continues apace. The decision of the House intelligence committee Republicans to close their investigation into Russian interference with the completely non-credible claim that they found no evidence of Russian interference is yet another sign of the moral and intellectual vacuuity of Trumpism. But it is also something more. It is, sadly, a sign that the liberal order of intelligence oversight is breaking down fatally.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/unpacking-uranium-one-hype-and-law

The latest instance of "what-aboutism" is the House Republican decision to open an investigation of the Uranium One transaction—the allegation that Hillary Clinton transferred control of 20% of America's uranium mining output to a Russian company, in exchange for substantial contributions to the Clinton Foundation from the executives of that same Russian company. Perhaps fearing future revelations of Trump's closeness to Russia, the evident purpose of the investigation is to establish a "Hillary too" counterpoint. Based on what is currently in the public record, little, if anything about the allegation is plausible.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/trading-soul-conservative-law-%E2%80%A6-wales

For another example, consider the president’s ongoing assault on the attorney general (and on law enforcement more generally). This is nothing less than an effort to undermine the rule of law and the independence of the legal process. To be sure, the application of law responds to political factors—that, after all, is why the attorney general is a politically appointed position. But the tradition of relative independence and reasonable efforts to avoid investigative interference are norms that exist for a reason. Assailing them is truly, as Jack Goldsmith has said, the act of a kamikaze president. Threatening to fire the attorney general for, in essence, doing exactly what was required in this instance is nothing less than an assault on law and an assertion of monarchical power.

Then there is the president’s obsession with his former opponent, Hillary Clinton. He castigates his attorney general for not considering the prosecution of his political opponent—much as happens in authoritarian countries across the globe. This is not OK.

:cheer

Spurminator
06-06-2018, 09:57 PM
Explain in your own words how Rosenstein has more of a conflict than Sessions.


Explain how he doesn’t?

:lmao

djohn2oo8
06-06-2018, 09:57 PM
Explain how he doesn’t?

You said he does. Now explain. Unless you can't.

Chris
06-06-2018, 10:00 PM
He told them to Hillary their phones?

gotheem!

djohn2oo8
06-06-2018, 10:01 PM
gotheem!

Can't even get the phrase right.

Reck
06-06-2018, 10:14 PM
Appointed by the guy who recommended firing Comey. Smh

That doesn’t make sense. Clarify

Somebody needed to pick up what Comey couldn’t finish because he was fired. Or did you think the investigation would have disappear without Comey?

Trump and you are a match made in looney bin. I can see why you’re so attach dispite your claim you’re not.

Crazy recognizes crazy. Congrats

boutons_deux
06-06-2018, 11:08 PM
Former Fox News Military Analyst: I’m Convinced Putin Has a Grip on Trump

host Anderson Cooper noted Peters has experience with Russian intelligence, and

asked if he thought Vladimir Putin has “some sort of grip on President Trump.”

“I am convinced that Vladimir Putin has a grip on Trump,” Peters replied.

“When I first learned of the Steele dossier, it just rang true to me,” he continued.

“Because that’s how the Russians do things.

And before he became a candidate for president,

Donald Trump was the perfect target for Russian intelligence.

Here is someone who has no self-control,

a sense of sexual entitlement and

intermittent financial crises.

That’s made to order for seduction by Russian intelligence.

I hope I am wrong.

I hope Putin doesn’t have a grip on him.”

we may very well look back on the “much-maligned” Christopher Steele, the author of the dossier, as a hero.

He added that the Mueller investigation is the “most important” in his lifetime… and he lived through Watergate.

The appearance was Peters’ first cable news hit since

he ditched Fox News

with a nuclear email announcing his departure —

calling the network “a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-fox-military-analyst-ralph-peters-im-convinced-putin-has-a-grip-on-trump/

well, duh. Trash is Pootin's play thing.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:04 AM
No bet will win back what you lost when you went full retard on #pizzagate.

What did I lose? And how is whatever you think I lost on spurstalk subforum more valuable than $2000?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:07 AM
What did I lose? And how is whatever you think I lost on spurstalk subforum more valuable than $2000?Your self respect.

But maybe you had none to begin with.

DarrinS
06-07-2018, 12:25 AM
Former Fox News Military Analyst: I’m Convinced Putin Has a Grip on Trump

host Anderson Cooper noted Peters has experience with Russian intelligence, and

asked if he thought Vladimir Putin has “some sort of grip on President Trump.”

“I am convinced that Vladimir Putin has a grip on Trump,” Peters replied.

“When I first learned of the Steele dossier, it just rang true to me,” he continued.

“Because that’s how the Russians do things.

And before he became a candidate for president,

Donald Trump was the perfect target for Russian intelligence.

Here is someone who has no self-control,

a sense of sexual entitlement and

intermittent financial crises.

That’s made to order for seduction by Russian intelligence.

I hope I am wrong.

I hope Putin doesn’t have a grip on him.”

we may very well look back on the “much-maligned” Christopher Steele, the author of the dossier, as a hero.

He added that the Mueller investigation is the “most important” in his lifetime… and he lived through Watergate.

The appearance was Peters’ first cable news hit since

he ditched Fox News

with a nuclear email announcing his departure —

calling the network “a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-fox-military-analyst-ralph-peters-im-convinced-putin-has-a-grip-on-trump/

well, duh. Trash is Pootin's play thing.





My portfolio didn’t tank :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxFSomykLa8

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:28 AM
My portfolio didn’t tank :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxFSomykLa8:lol Snarky Darrin seeing if the coast is clear.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:30 AM
Your self respect.

But maybe you had none to begin with.

Holy shit. This forum means way more to you and your life than I ever imagined.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:32 AM
Holy shit. This forum means way more to you and your life than I ever imagined.Holy shit. #pizzagate means more to you and your life than I ever imagined.

Reck
06-07-2018, 12:40 AM
Can't even get the phrase right.

Chris Has a lisp. :lol

Reck
06-07-2018, 12:43 AM
Your self respect.

But maybe you had none to begin with.

A degenerate gambler doesn't have any self respect to begin with. I just hope he doesn't sell his house for the sake of his new born son. :lol

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:45 AM
The house is full of guns and conspiracy theories.

Everything will be fine.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:46 AM
Holy shit. #pizzagate means more to you and your life than I ever imagined.

Holy shit. #pizzagate means nothing to me.

Do not reply to this until tomorrow at noon, your time. Prove to me this forum means nothing to you and you have the power to log off and walk away for 12 hours.

Tick tock.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:46 AM
Holy shit. #pizzagate means nothing to me.

Do not reply to this until tomorrow at noon, your time. Prove to me this forum means nothing to you and you have the power to log off and walk away for 12 hours.

Tick tock.Give me $2000 and you got a deal.


Do you take the bet?

Yes or no.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:47 AM
A degenerate gambler doesn't have any self respect to begin with. I just hope he doesn't sell his house for the sake of his new born son. :lol

:lol welshers talking about self respect :lol

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:50 AM
Give me $2000 and you got a deal.


Do you take the bet?

Yes or no.

:lol you don’t even know how to offer a bet
:lol you would have already lost your attempt at a bet
:lol no will power
:lol spurstalk slave

Reck
06-07-2018, 12:51 AM
Holy shit. This forum means way more to you and your life than I ever imagined.


Holy shit. #pizzagate means nothing to me.

Do not reply to this until tomorrow at noon, your time. Prove to me this forum means nothing to you and you have the power to log off and walk away for 12 hours.

Tick tock.


:lol welshers talking about self respect :lol

TSA cares more about getting random board bets than self respect or even self predictions. :lol

I like how 2 years later I'm still living rent free in your conspiratard brain.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:52 AM
:lol you don’t even know how to offer a bet
:lol you would have already lost your attempt at a bet
:lol no will power
:lol spurstalk slave:lol you shrunk from a bet.
:lol #pizzagate
:lol no self respect
:lol muh guns and bets and muh rice pizza

TSA
06-07-2018, 09:58 AM
TSA cares more about getting random board bets than self respect or even self predictions. :lol

I like how 2 years later I'm still living rent free in your conspiratard brain.

You don't understand rent free and aren't living rent free in anyone's head. It's called memory. You are a self admitted welsher, a labeled welsher, a branded welsher. People don't forgot that. If I were to start a thread asking people what the top 5 welshes were yours would make the list every single time.

TSA
06-07-2018, 10:03 AM
:lol you shrunk from a bet.
:lol #pizzagate
:lol no self respect
:lol muh guns and bets and muh rice pizza



"give me $2000 and I won't post here until noon like you asked me to"

:lol not knowing what a bet is

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 10:05 AM
Manafort witness tampering circle jerk getting a bucket of ice water :lol

https://www.lawfareblog.com/manafort-tampering-allegations

Seems like a good analysis. Too bad you only do that when it suits your theories.

djohn2oo8
06-07-2018, 10:06 AM
Pizzagate
Susan Ricegate
Spygate
Memogate
FISA gate
Guccifergate

have brought him to his knees

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 10:23 AM
"give me $2000 and I won't post here until noon like you asked me to"

:lol not knowing what a bet is it's easily made into a bet.

You ran away from it.

Prove to me none of this is important to you by never posting on this site again using any screen name.

TSA
06-07-2018, 10:36 AM
it's easily made into a bet.

You ran away from it.

Prove to me none of this is important to you by never posting on this site again using any screen name.

I'm sticking around to collect my $2000 from djohn. Once he pays me I'll leave without a second thought.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 10:39 AM
:lmao see this place is important to you. You couldn't last an hour.

:rollin

TSA
06-07-2018, 10:53 AM
You’re flustered and embarrassing yourself. Maybe log off and take a break?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 10:57 AM
You’re flustered and embarrassing yourself. Maybe log off and take a break?
Sorry, you lost the challenge when you got called out.

Couldn't last 15 minutes.

You have no self control.

I'll give you another chance to prove this place means nothing to you. Never post on this site again using any screen name.

Starting now.

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 11:01 AM
Sorry, you lost the challenge when you got called out.

Couldn't last 15 minutes.

You have no self control.

I'll give you another chance to prove this place means nothing to you. Never post on this site again using any screen name.

Starting now.

:corn:

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 11:02 AM
it's easily made into a bet.

You ran away from it.

Prove to me none of this is important to you by never posting on this site again using any screen name.

Going to spend some time looking for alternatives myself. You may want to check your inbox occasionally if you see me gone.

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:07 AM
Sorry, you lost the challenge when you got called out.

Couldn't last 15 minutes.

You have no self control.

I'll give you another chance to prove this place means nothing to you. Never post on this site again using any screen name.

Starting now.

You once again demonstrate you have no clue about betting.

I have a pending $2000 bet with djohn. In order to collect that $2000 I need to be able to log on to this site with this username. My pending money bet supersedes your "challenge".

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:07 AM
Going to spend some time looking for alternatives myself. You may want to check your inbox occasionally if you see me gone.

Pending OIG release got you shook

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 11:08 AM
Going to spend some time looking for alternatives myself. You may want to check your inbox occasionally if you see me gone.Cool. I'll be posting my Qanon interpretations at ar15.com

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 11:10 AM
Pending OIG release got you shook

Soooo desperate for a narrative.

Sure, if it makes you happy, I'm shook. Feeling all Mr. Rogers kindness today.

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 11:10 AM
http://www.misterrogersandme.com/

Worth watching. Guy was pretty extra-ordinary.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 11:12 AM
You once again demonstrate you have no clue about betting.

I have a pending $2000 bet with djohn. In order to collect that $2000 I need to be able to log on to this site with this username. My pending money bet supersedes your "challenge".
You failed again. Didn't even last ten minutes this time.

You can win a bet and collect without posting on this site here ever again. Easily.

This site is really that important to you.

You have no self control.

I proved it twice.

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:21 AM
You failed again. Didn't even last ten minutes this time.

You can win a bet and collect without posting on this site here ever again. Easily.

This site is really that important to you.

You have no self control.

I proved it twice.
silly faggot and your challenges. I'll show you how it's done.

This challenge is really important to you.

I bet you $20 you can't stop talking about it.

ready....go

djohn2oo8
06-07-2018, 11:25 AM
Man haven't seen ol boy this wound up and desperate since yesterday

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 11:26 AM
silly faggot and your challenges. I'll show you how it's done.

This challenge is really important to you.

I bet you $20 you can't stop talking about it.

ready....golol I said I would do it for $2000. You never responded to that.

You lost the challenge, twice. You could easily win and collect on the bet without ever posting here again, but you chose to keep posting here.

It's important to you.

Your trying to save face and make more muh bets now just adds to the proof.

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:28 AM
lol I said I would do it for $2000. You never responded to that.

You lost the challenge, twice. You could easily win and collect on the bet without ever posting here again, but you chose to keep posting here.

It's important to you.

Your trying to save face and make more muh bets now just adds to the proof.

You owe me $20

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 11:29 AM
You owe me $20Is this how you think bets work?

No wonder you're so bad at betting.

"I'll show you how it's done."

lol

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:44 AM
Is this how you think bets work?

No wonder you're so bad at betting.

"I'll show you how it's done."

lol

lol so bad at betting

I'll show you how it's done

Would you bet $2000 that Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison or would you bet $2000 that they are not going to prison?

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:45 AM
1004721945844371457

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 11:47 AM
lol so bad at betting

I'll show you how it's done

Would you bet $2000 that Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison or would you bet $2000 that they are not going to prison?So your other bet was bullshit?

Yes or no.

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:48 AM
So your other bet was bullshit?

Yes or no.

Sorry, question pending that you quoted.

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:49 AM
What is the DOJ/FBI hiding about Flynn’s plea?

“The Department’s reply to my May 11, 2018 letter seeking information about the circumstances surrounding Lt. General Michael Flynn’s reported conversations with the Russian ambassador and FBI records related to those conversations is insufficient. The letter only recounts a series of publicly known facts about Lt. General Flynn’s plea agreement and relies on improper excuses in refusing to provide the requested information. The Committee requires this information to fulfill its Constitutional function and its charge under Senate Rules to conduct oversight of the Department of Justice.

First, as you know, some of that information was first requested on a bipartisan basis before your confirmation. The Committee has waited patiently for much more than a year for the criminal inquiry related to Lt. General Flynn to conclude. It has been more than five months since his guilty plea. Thus, there is no longer any legitimate reason to withhold facts from the Senate about the circumstances of his conversations with the Russian ambassador and his FBI interview.

Second, the Department’s letter erroneously suggests that complying with Congressional oversight would result in “the reality or the appearance of political interference” in a “pending criminal prosecution.” There is no pending prosecution. The guilty plea was more than five months ago.

The Department’s letter describes in detail what everyone already knows. Lt. General Flynn admitted to the Statement of Offense with the able assistance of counsel. All that remains is for Lt. General Flynn to be sentenced. Simply disclosing facts to the Committee could not possibly “interfere” with the case at this late date, assuming those facts are consistent with the representations that prosecutors arranged for Lt. General Flynn to swear to in federal court.

If the facts are inconsistent with the plea agreement, that would be an entirely different kettle of fish”

More at link:

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-06-06%20CEG%20to%20DOJ%20(Response%20to%20Flynn%20Req uest).pdf

1004754137517395968

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 11:50 AM
Sorry, question pending that you quoted.
If your other bet was bullshit then you obviously don't know how it's done.

Thanks for confirming the other bet was bullshit after you lost multiple challenges and proved this site's importance to you.

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:54 AM
If your other bet was bullshit then you obviously don't know how it's done.

Thanks for confirming the other bet was bullshit after you lost multiple challenges and proved this site's importance to you.

Dodge #2, checkmate.

TSA
06-07-2018, 11:58 AM
Uh-oh unmasking is back in the news. Clapper now throwing Samantha Powers under the bus.

========================

Power told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in an interview in October that others in government made the unmasking requests under her name.

Asked about Power’s explanation by Hewitt, Clapper suggested that it is cause for concern.

“If that happened, if people usurped the authority to request unmaskings, would that concern you, Director Clapper?” Hewitt asked.

“Yeah, it would,” said Clapper.

“I don’t know quite how that would happen, you know, because the only way you can make an unmasking request is that you have authorized access to the report in question in the first place.”

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/07/james-clapper-samantha-power-unmasking/

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:11 PM
Dodge #2, checkmate.You proved your bets are bogus.

I challenged your bet and you lost.

Checkmate.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:12 PM
Uh-oh unmasking is back in the news. Clapper now throwing Samantha Powers under the bus.

========================

Power told the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in an interview in October that others in government made the unmasking requests under her name.

Asked about Power’s explanation by Hewitt, Clapper suggested that it is cause for concern.

“If that happened, if people usurped the authority to request unmaskings, would that concern you, Director Clapper?” Hewitt asked.

“Yeah, it would,” said Clapper.

“I don’t know quite how that would happen, you know, because the only way you can make an unmasking request is that you have authorized access to the report in question in the first place.”

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/07/james-clapper-samantha-power-unmasking/What is your conspiracy theory here, TSA?

You don't have one.

Checkmate.

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 12:18 PM
Me too... CHECKMATE.

Whoop whoop.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:19 PM
You proved your bets are bogus.

I challenged your bet and you lost.

Checkmate.

muh challenge :rollin

do you ever sit back and think about how much of a no life loser you come across as?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:20 PM
muh challenge :rollin

do you ever sit back and think about how much of a no life loser you come across as?It's important for you to remain on this site to post here and say that.

Checkmate.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:20 PM
What is your conspiracy theory here, TSA?

You don't have one.

Checkmate.

:lol reduced to begging for conspiracy theories

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:22 PM
:lol reduced to begging for conspiracy theoriesSorry, TSA -- question pending.

What is your conspiracy theory here, TSA?

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 12:28 PM
Explain how [Rosenstein] doesn’t [have more of a conflict than Sessions] ?

"prove a negative"

um, no. Prove you're not a secret shape shifting unicorn.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:30 PM
Sorry, TSA -- question pending.

What is your conspiracy theory here, TSA?

Oooh the question pending game. Let's play that.

Would you bet $2000 that Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison or would you bet $2000 that they are not going to prison?

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:39 PM
Seems like a good analysis. Too bad you only do that when it suits your theories.

If Manafort could just flip on Trump and give him up for collusion why is Manafort instead trying to tamper with witnesses?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:42 PM
Oooh the question pending game. Let's play that.

Would you bet $2000 that Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison or would you bet $2000 that they are not going to prison?I don't make those kinds of bets.

What is your conspiracy theory with the unmasking story, TSA?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:44 PM
If Manafort could just flip on Trump and give him up for collusion why is Manafort instead trying to tamper with witnesses?He'd probably have to flip on Russians too which could lead to other consequences.

RandomGuy
06-07-2018, 12:47 PM
If Manafort could just flip on Trump and give him up for collusion why is Manafort instead trying to tamper with witnesses?

Why is an innocent man attempting to tamper with witnesses?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:51 PM
Has TSA actually decided what to think about Manafort yet?

It's only been what, eight months?

Probably needs more time. It's fluid.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:51 PM
I don't make those kinds of bets.

What is your conspiracy theory with the unmasking story, TSA?

I didn't ask if you made those type of bets nor did I ask you to make that kind of bet. Stop cowering from a hypothetical question.

Would you bet $2000 that Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison or would you bet $2000 that they are not going to prison?

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:52 PM
Why is an innocent man attempting to tamper with witnesses?

No one is claiming he is innocent of the crimes he committed in Ukraine. If Manafort could just flip on Trump and give him up for collusion why is Manafort instead trying to tamper with witnesses?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 12:53 PM
I didn't ask if you made those type of bets nor did I ask you to make that kind of bet. Stop cowering from a hypothetical question.

Would you bet $2000 that Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison or would you bet $2000 that they are not going to prison?Wouldn't make either.

You got your answer and you don't like it.

You would rather talk about muh hypothetical bets than the article you posted yourself.

It's important to you.

TSA
06-07-2018, 12:58 PM
Wouldn't make either.

You got your answer and you don't like it.

You would rather talk about muh hypothetical bets than the article you posted yourself.

It's important to you.

Yes I got my answer you cowering little pussy :lol

spurraider21
06-07-2018, 12:59 PM
Papadopoulos wasn’t drunk and never said anything to Downer about dirt on Hillary or her emails


link?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:01 PM
Yes I got my answer you cowering little pussy :lolYou say that as you dodge the pending question about your own article a fourth time you cowering little pussy :lol

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:02 PM
:lol He's going to dodge 21's question too.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:02 PM
Sorry, TSA -- question pending.

What is your conspiracy theory here, TSA?

Not every article comes with an accompanying conspiracy theory. Clapper said if authority was usurped to unmask it would concern him. Sometimes it just is what it is Pavlov.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:03 PM
:lol He's going to dodge 21's question too.

21's question and link were provided yesterday. He's good with the search function I'm sure he'll find it shortly.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:04 PM
Not every article comes with an accompanying conspiracy theory. Clapper said if authority was usurped to unmask it would concern him. Sometimes it just is what it is Pavlov.So it's not actually an issue that's come back up (lol October) and has no importance at all.

Thank you for admitting that.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:05 PM
21's question and link were provided yesterday. He's good with the search function I'm sure he'll find it shortly.I'm thinking he read the article you linked and concluded it didn't say what you claimed it said.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:13 PM
I'm thinking he read the article you linked and concluded it didn't say what you claimed it said.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/alexander-downer-signing-off/news-story/02cd18d37828c8957bfb62b18e411595

you can read it for yourself

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:15 PM
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/alexander-downer-signing-off/news-story/02cd18d37828c8957bfb62b18e411595

you can read it for yourselfActually I cannot.

You have a paid subscription to theaustralian.com.au?

ducks
06-07-2018, 01:16 PM
Actually I cannot.

You have a paid subscription to theaustralian.com.au?

lol expecting others to pay for your things

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:16 PM
:lol “He didn’t say dirt, he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.’’

:lol "And to stress the point, he says the gin measure was typically mean — just 25ml, which is normal for a London bar, not the sort of lavish pour one might offer friends at Stoke Lodge, the Australian government’s residence near Hyde Park."

:lol "But it was over that single short drink, accompanied by Erika Thompson, a counsellor at the high commission, late one afternoon in May 2016 that Downer met George Papadopoulos, then an adviser in Donald Trump’s campaign team."

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:18 PM
:lol “He didn’t say dirt, he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.’’

:lol "And to stress the point, he says the gin measure was typically mean — just 25ml, which is normal for a London bar, not the sort of lavish pour one might offer friends at Stoke Lodge, the Australian government’s residence near Hyde Park."

:lol "But it was over that single short drink, accompanied by Erika Thompson, a counsellor at the high commission, late one afternoon in May 2016 that Downer met George Papadopoulos, then an adviser in Donald Trump’s campaign team."So he wasn't even drunk when he bragged the Trump campaign had damaging information on Clinton?

:lol ok

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:22 PM
Actually I cannot.

You have a paid subscription to theaustralian.com.au?

No I just googled the article and read it.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:23 PM
No I just googled the article and read it.I get a paywall when I click your link.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:25 PM
So he wasn't even drunk when he bragged the Trump campaign had damaging information on Clinton?

:lol ok

He never bragged the Trump campaign had anything on Clinton

:lol I guess you'd know that if you could figure out how to read the article

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:28 PM
He never bragged the Trump campaign had anything on Clinton
“He didn’t say dirt, he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging."


:lol I guess you'd know that if you could figure out how to read the articleYou're free to tell me how you did it without subscribing.

Or you could just tell me how having material damaging to Clinton is not having material damaging to Clinton.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:30 PM
this makes no sense considering they're asking for "use immunity"

use immunity wouldn't stop them from charging him based on info they already have (and what went into IG report)...

No deal McCabe

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It is true that, on the surface, the statute provides only “use immunity.” Technically, this does not shield the witness from prosecution; it only prevents the immunized testimony from being used against the witness — either directly (being presented against him at trial) or indirectly (as leads to locate evidence that can be used to prosecute him). In practical effect, however, use immunity can easily become transactional or even blanket immunity. It is often difficult, if not impossible, to prove that evidence purportedly unrelated to the immunized testimony was not traceable to it in some way. Consequently, if the Justice Department tries to prosecute him, the immunized witness will argue that the case is based on the immunized testimony. It is easier for a court to throw out such a case than try to sort out what is tainted and what is not.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/andrew-mccabe-seeks-immunity-judiciary-committee/

spurraider21
06-07-2018, 01:31 PM
spurraider the link to the interview with Downer in the Australian is in here

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/27/downer-papadopoulos-trump/


Papadopoulos wasn’t drunk
so your issue is that the NYT said "during a night of heavy drinking"... while this article/interview says that Downer doesn't think Pap was drunk and that they spoke over 1 drink (though for all we know, pap had drinks prior to their meeting)


and never said anything to Downer about dirt on Hillary or her emails

“He didn’t say dirt; he said material that could be damaging to her
:lol oh


Downer said he felt the information “seemed quite interesting” and “was worth reporting.”

Papadopoulos, an energy consultant who joined the campaign in March 2016, had other discussions about Clinton information during the campaign.


He told the FBI back on Jan. 26, 2017, about a conversation he had on April 26, 2016, with Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor. Papadopoulos said Mifsud claimed to have been in contact with Russian government officials who said they had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands” of her emails.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:34 PM
You're free to tell me how you did it without subscribing.

Or you could just tell me how having material damaging to Clinton is not having material damaging to Clinton.

I literally just googled it and opened the link. I'm using firefox if that helps.

The claim was no dirt, no emails, and not drunk. I don't need to tell you anything about damaging material.

spurraider21
06-07-2018, 01:36 PM
No deal McCabe

===========

It is true that, on the surface, the statute provides only “use immunity.” Technically, this does not shield the witness from prosecution; it only prevents the immunized testimony from being used against the witness — either directly (being presented against him at trial) or indirectly (as leads to locate evidence that can be used to prosecute him). In practical effect, however, use immunity can easily become transactional or even blanket immunity. It is often difficult, if not impossible, to prove that evidence purportedly unrelated to the immunized testimony was not traceable to it in some way. Consequently, if the Justice Department tries to prosecute him, the immunized witness will argue that the case is based on the immunized testimony. It is easier for a court to throw out such a case than try to sort out what is tainted and what is not.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/andrew-mccabe-seeks-immunity-judiciary-committee/
except the IG repot has already been published, which mccarthy himself says lays out a strong case of making false statements. so yes, it could be very easily traced back to the already existing contents of the IG report.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:37 PM
I literally just googled it and opened the link. I'm using firefox if that helps.The daily caller article or the actual Australian article you said you googled?


The claim was no dirt, no emails, and not drunk. I don't need to tell you anything about damaging material.So basically it doesn't change anything at all.

OK. :lol

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:40 PM
so your issue is that the NYT said "during a night of heavy drinking"... while this article/interview says that Downer doesn't think Pap was drunk and that they spoke over 1 drink (though for all we know, pap had drinks prior to their meeting)



:lol oh

[/FONT] You do realize the below is the author adding more to the story and that is not Downer speaking.

"Papadopoulos, an energy consultant who joined the campaign in March 2016, had other discussions about Clinton information during the campaign.


He told the FBI back on Jan. 26, 2017, about a conversation he had on April 26, 2016, with Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor. Papadopoulos said Mifsud claimed to have been in contact with Russian government officials who said they had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of “thousands” of her emails."

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Downer states that Papadopoulos never said what the damaging information was. “He didn’t say dirt; he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.”

spurraider21
06-07-2018, 01:41 PM
"he didnt say dirt, he said material that could be damaging to her"

oh, so you're upset that NYT took the liberty referring to "material that could be damaging to her" as dirt

spurraider21
06-07-2018, 01:42 PM
why woulnd't downer have contacted the NYT if they screwed up the story so bad?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:43 PM
You know what, TSA -- just post the entire Downer interview from the Australian site.

There's no reason for you not to at this point.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:44 PM
The daily caller article or the actual Australian article you said you googled? The actual article.


So basically it doesn't change anything at all.

OK. :lolNever said it did. spurraider kept asking for a link and then you decided to chime in so I gave you both the relevant quotes.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:45 PM
The actual article.Great, post the whole thing here. I get the paywall using Firefox as well.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:48 PM
Great, post the whole thing here. I get the paywall using Firefox as well.

I'm getting now on my desktop too let me try on my phone.

TSA
06-07-2018, 01:51 PM
Yup still works

Alexander Downer is sitting in the comfy Australian high commissioner’s office at the century-old Australia House that overlooks the Strand. As the bells of St-*Martin-in-the-Fields ring in the background, he leans across the coffee table and insists conspiratorially: it was just the one gin and tonic.

And to stress the point, he says the gin measure was typically mean — just 25ml, which is normal for a London bar, not the sort of lavish pour one might offer friends at Stoke Lodge, the Australian government’s residence near Hyde Park.

But it was over that single short drink, accompanied by Erika Thompson, a counsellor at the high commission, late one afternoon in May 2016 that Downer met George Papadopoulos, then an adviser in Donald Trump’s campaign team.

Downer wasn’t to know that one meeting in the Kensington Wine Rooms would come to define his four-year tenure as high commissioner to the UK. Since arriving to take over from Mike Rann shortly before the EU elections and Scottish independence referendum, he has seen the tumult of Brexit, a spate of terror attacks across Britain and Europe, some which killed Australians; and the horrific Grenfell Tower inferno that claimed the lives of 71 people including two Australians.

But Downer’s nose for diplomatic intrigue was piqued when Papadopoulos publicly attacked the then British prime minister, David Cameron, for criticising Trump as “divisive, stupid and wrong’’. Papadopoulos demanded an apology.

Downer had been a teenager growing up in the rooms of Australia House while his high commissioner father, Alick Downer, was reporting back with some dismay on the trade concerns as Britain prepared to join the European Economic Community, the forerunner to the EU.

It’s a neat bookend that Downer departs the plum British post this weekend just as Britain prepares to leave the EU.

Not surprisingly, Downer has been the most upbeat diplomat in London about Britain regaining judicial and trading autonomy.

In between his stays at Australia House, he was Australia’s longest serving foreign minister as under Coalition prime minister John Howard. While his self-deprecating humour has landed him in trouble before — most famously in 1994, when he quipped that the Liberal Party’s slogan “The Things That Matter” should be changed to “the things that batter” to reflect its domestic violence policy, then again two years later when he posed in a stocking and stiletto for charity — Downer’s political instincts were sharpened when he sought out Trump’s adviser.

Downer, or Thompson at Downer’s request, made contact with Papadopoulos through an Israeli contact in early May 2016.

In an interview with The Weekend Australian last week, Downer spoke for the first time about his conversation with the Trump campaign aide and how Papadopoulos let slip his knowledge of a Russian “dirt file” on Hillary Clinton. Within 48 hours Downer had sent an official cable about what he had heard to Canberra.

After a period of time, Australia’s ambassador to the US, Joe Hockey, passed the information on to Washington, possibly around the same time that the hacked Democratic Party emails were being published by WikiLeaks. This eventually led to the inquiry into Russian collusion in the election headed by FBI director and special counsel Robert Mueller.

Of the conversation at the upmarket Kensington Wine Bar, Downer recalls: “We had a drink and he (Papadopoulos) talked about what Trump’s foreign policy would be like if Trump won the election.

“He (Trump) hadn’t got the nomination at that stage. During that conversation he (Papadopoulos) mentioned the Russians might use material that they have on Hillary Clinton in the lead-up to the election, which may be damaging.’’

Did Downer think, “Oh boy, this is intriguing?”

“Well, it was worth reporting,’’ he said. “It wasn’t the only thing we reported. We reported (back to Australia) the following day or a day or two after … it seemed quite interesting.’’

Did you realise you were one of the first people to have known about this dirt?

Downer doesn’t hesitate: “He didn’t say dirt, he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.’’

Downer’s conversation with Papadopoulos then apparently drifted into other areas, such as what Trump as president would be like on foreign policy. Australia’s interests were firmly focused on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, with the aim of ease any trade protectionism with the US, as well as promoting a steady US policy towards China, where any deviation could have a big effect on Australia’s economic prospects.

“We didn’t know anything about Trump and Russia and we had no particular focus on that,’’ Downer says of the Papadopoulos meeting.

“For us we were more interested in what Trump would do in Asia. By the way, nothing he (Papadopoulos) said in that conversation indicated Trump himself had been conspiring with the Russians to collect information on Hillary Clinton. It was just that this guy (Papadopoulos) clearly knew that the Russians did have material on Hillary Clinton — but whether Trump knew or not? He didn’t say Trump knew or that Trump was in any way involved in this. He said it was about Russians and Hillary Clinton; it wasn’t about Trump.”

Papadopoulos has been co-operating with the Mueller investigation after initially pleading guilty to lying to the FBI, and it has emerged that the young Trump adviser met Joseph Mifsud, a professor at the University of Stirling, in March 2016 in Italy, after which he began to pitch meetings between Trump officials and Russian officials.

Mifsud introduced Papadopoulos to Ivan Timofeev, a director at the Russian International Affairs Council with links to the Russian Foreign Affairs Ministry, as well as revealing to Papadopoulos in an April 2016 meeting the dirt on Clinton.

According to Papadopoulos’s account, Mifsud alleged that the Russians had “thousands of emails’’ on Clinton. By May 21, Papadopoulos was trying to broker a meeting between Trump and the Russians by emailing Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

Downer’s reporting of his contact with Papadopoulos in the midst of Papadopoulos lobbying for a Trump-Russian connection was unveiled by The New York Times. The notoriety catapulted him to a standing as one of London’s highest-profile diplomats alongside Russian ambassador Alexander Yakovenko, albeit for very different reasons.

Where Downer is seen as a loyal ally of the Conservative Cameron and May governments, even becoming the first guest editor of the Westminster publication The House last month, the Russian ambassador is kept at a distance, more so now because of the Russian novichok poisoning attack on former MI6 spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury.

Downer says of that episode: “I am not an expert on chemical weapons but I take the advice of experts and I have not heard any doubt from anybody who could expect to know anything about it professionally,” he said.

On the subject of Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom he has met, and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, whom he has known since his foreign minister days, he does not hold back.

Downer says Russia’s behaviour is “quite troubling’’, particularly the invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine and “their very aggressive behaviour’’ in Syria and the Middle East. He says Russia’s policies have caused European countries to move away from Russian energy supplies, adversely affecting the country’s already declining economy.

“It is not in Russia’s medium-term interests to arouse the unity and the wrath of the West,’’ he says.

“If they do fear the West, perhaps it would be wiser not to provoke the West by disregarding an international rules-based system and interfering in the internal politics of Western countries, cyber activities of one kind or another, using chemical weapons as they have done, backing anti-Western regimes.”

He then adds: “Look, in the end, what they have succeeded in doing is unite a pretty fractured West and a dispirited West after the divisions of the Iraq war, and they have united them and led to a West recovering its resolve. So how is this in Russia’s medium-term interest?

“I should include in my list the absurd denials and stories that they tell as well.”

His message to Russia? “Just don’t do that. The thing about continually lying and misleading and making up stories and making absurd allegations is that it destroys your credibility. The President of Russia, the Foreign Minister ... running these sorts of lines and denials of the obvious does them no good at all.’’

Downer says historically Russia had not shown any inclination towards brokering peace and he doesn’t see the Syrian conflict ending anytime soon.

“There isn’t any doubt that (Syrian President Bashar) al-Assad, with the support of Iran and Russia, has the upper hand, but whether they can completely suppress the opposition … to win to the extent the opposition lays down their arms, it is hard to see.’’

With that, an alarm sounds across Australia House. It turns out the cleaning of the building’s facade has sparked a false alarm. Trump and his associates could only wish that the spotlight on their role in the Russia story could be so easily switched off. But it’s also a neat illustration of Downer’s four years as Australia’s man in London: from calming church bells made famous in the nursery rhyme Oranges and Lemons to shrieking emergency clanging, it’s been quite a ride.


Alexander Downer on …


The Australia-Britain relationship: “There hasn’t been a postwar period when the relationship between Australia and the UK has been closer … they have appreciated our enthusiasm for the (post-Brexit) relationship.”

On free trade agreement with Britain and Europe: “We are obviously trying to get one with the EU but personally I think it will take a long time and it will be quite hard to do, (whereas) I think the UK could be quite easy to do.”

On visas between Britain and Australia: “We are not looking for allowing Brits to come to Australia visa-free or limitless migration but we want to make it a bit easier for business and professionals to work here than is currently the case, with mutual recognition of qualifications.”

On an Australian republic: “Do you want to replace, in practice, the governor-general, who is seen to be above and beyond politics? If you replace the governor-general with an elected president, and if you have a republic that’s what the public will tolerate, well then, inevitably you are going to involve an election … they will wage a campaign and you end up with a politician in Government House and people will hesitate about that. They think, well, the governor-general is beyond politics.’’

On the royals: “The Queen has emerged as a much-loved and respected queen. I think people have grown to like Prince Charles and Camilla seems quite popular and the young royals are very popular, Prince William, Kate, Prince Harry and now Meghan on the scene.”

On British perceptions of Australia: “We don’t have fancy palaces and castles and cute 16th-century villages — one of the great things to see in Europe — but we do have a wonderful lifestyle, people live extraordinarily well in Australia, and they know that here in London and they admire it. They think we are blunt, outspoken, but very friendly, and, by the way, it’s a nonsense they look down on us.”

On the hardest part of the job: “Being away from home and away from closest friends, and the hardest thing was my mother died here. She came over here to see us, she was only here for six days and then she died.”

On George Brandis as British high commissioner: “He will be quite a success. He is very intellectual and in this country it is a great advantage to have a lot of intellectual interests. I have high expectations he will do an excellent job. We may be trading up going to him.”

On his future: “Just some consultancy things, working with business and their relations with governments, Australia and international. Beyond that let’s see what else turns up. I would like to get involved in universities again.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/alexander-downer-signing-off/news-story/02cd18d37828c8957bfb62b18e411595

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 01:57 PM
this guy clearly knew that the Russians did have material on Hillary ClintonThanks, TSA!

Chris
06-07-2018, 02:24 PM
Swallowswell got Tucked - yikes!


1004720681236533248

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 02:32 PM
Swallowswell got Tucked - yikes!


1004720681236533248The administration didn't do anything with him. The FBI did.

lol "spy"

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:05 PM
1004814905256493056


Among the various claims in the dossier - which is comprised of a series of memos, Millian was allegedly the source of the "pissgate" allegation that Russia was blackmailing Donald Trump with evidence that he hired prostitutes at the Moscow Ritz-Carlton to urinate on a bed used by the Obamas. Millian also told an associate that Russia was feeding Trump damaging information on Hillary Clinton, which his associate then reportedly told Christopher Steele, the former MI6 spy who assembled the dossier.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 03:13 PM
1004814905256493056Whoa. Chris just said the dossier is true!

Big news tbh.

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:17 PM
Whoa. Chris just said the dossier is true!

Big news tbh.

Nah, that's your theory.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 03:18 PM
Nah, that's your theory.What is your theory about the tweet you just made, Chris?

Are you saying it's true or not?

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:22 PM
What is your theory about the tweet you just made, Chris?

Are you saying it's true or not?

I don't have a theory about that tweet.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 03:24 PM
I don't have a theory about that tweet.So you don't actually believe it.

Cool.

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:25 PM
So you don't actually believe it.

Cool.

That's your theory.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 03:26 PM
That's your theory.Do you believe the story you tweeted is true?

Yes or no.

Speak up, Chris.

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:31 PM
Do you believe the story you tweeted is true?

Yes or no.

Speak up, Chris.

Could be.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 03:37 PM
Could be.So you don't actually believe it. You only think it could be true.

If it's true, the dossier is definitely true.

So you're saying the dossier could actually be true.

Cool

TSA
06-07-2018, 03:40 PM
1004778907281870848

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:41 PM
So you don't actually believe it. You only think it could be true.

If it's true, the dossier is definitely true.

So you're saying the dossier could actually be true.

Cool

Nah, that's your theory.

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:42 PM
1004778907281870848

https://media3.giphy.com/media/edho4s1lWEawo/giphy.gif

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:50 PM
1004809158040813569

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 03:56 PM
Nah, that's your theory.You're free to believe the dossier is true, Chris.

You have to if you believe the story you posted.

Chris
06-07-2018, 03:58 PM
You're free to believe the dossier is true, Chris.

I think it's poo poo.


You have to if you believe the story you posted.

You like to reiterate your theory. Fine with me.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 03:59 PM
1004778907281870848The conspiracy theory in February was Horowitz already knew.

What's the conspiracy theory now, TSA?

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 04:01 PM
I think it's poo poo.Then you definitely think the story you posted is poo poo.

Cool.

TSA
06-07-2018, 04:04 PM
The conspiracy theory in February was Horowitz already knew.

What's the conspiracy theory now, TSA?

Can you please link to the conspiracy theory you are referring to. Thanks.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 04:10 PM
Can you please link to the conspiracy theory you are referring to. Thanks.Yeah, you make a fool of this poster regularly:

3 questions inspector general must answer regarding investigation of FBI leadership

The Office of the Inspector General (OIG) is a nonpartisan oversight branch charged with detecting and deterring misconduct within the Department of Justice (DOJ). The FBI and its director answer to the DOJ and its head, the attorney general.

It is no secret that the OIG is investigating allegations of malfeasance within the upper echelons of FBI leadership during the James Comey era, from September 2013 until his firing last May. Its report could ruin careers and reputations at the FBI, damage the bureau’s morale and image, or even lead to the prosecution of some FBI officials.

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The expected report is a hotly debated topic between two intransigent camps, pitting adherents of the Comey cult-of-personality against those who view his tenure as fraught with somewhat well-intentioned but inherently politicized missteps.



Those detractors, with whom I claim association, view Comey’s oversight as a period when the bureau’s organizational values tacked out of alignment. We lament the missed opportunity for Comey, the custodian of those values. to exhibit courage and confront a bully of a president who, sensing weakness, exploits it.

Leaking FBI documents to the press — through a surrogate, no less — doesn’t show leadership or courage; it’s an abdication of responsibility. And it leads us to a point where the OIG report should provide clarity on three key questions:

1. Were investigative documents altered by senior FBI leadership?

The FD-302 is an FBI testimonial document (I drafted thousands of them during a quarter-century career with the bureau) designed to capture facts that report or summarize interviews with subjects of, or witnesses to, events in an investigation.

Investigative journalist Sara Carter has reported that FBI sources maintain the FBI’s deputy director under Comey, Andrew G. McCabe, may have asked FBI agents to alter or change their findings in their 302s; Carter alleges that OIG Inspector General Michael Horowitz is looking into this.

During my tenure in the FBI, no supervisor or executive manager ever asked me to materially change anything in my 302s; as an FBI boss for almost 15 years, I never requested any investigators to alter the substance of their findings in a 302.

If Horowitz can prove that senior FBI leadership ordered investigators to interfere with written evidence on an FD-302, that is the very definition of obstruction of justice. FD-302s aren’t “opinion pieces.” This could be a central part of the OIG’s report and, if the allegations are proven, it would not bode well for McCabe and others.

2. Did Deputy Director McCabe purposely “slow-walk” the discovery of pertinent emails discovered on former congressman Anthony Weiner’s laptop and “stand down” relevant FBI investigations to protect Hillary Clinton?

We now know that the FBI knew about 3,000 additional, potentially classified emails discovered on a laptop that Clinton aide Huma Abedin shared with her spouse, the disgraced Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), about a month before Comey’s letter announcing the same to Congress.

As the Wall Street Journal first reported, weeks transpired after that discovery by agents of the FBI’s New York office and by New York Police Department detectives investigating potential child-endangerment charges against Weiner.

While Comey ultimately drafted the letter to Congress that reopened the Clinton investigation — and, some believe, diminished Clinton’s chances in the 2016 presidential election — it is alleged that McCabe resisted notifying Congress of the discovered emails.

Sources confirm it was only after NYPD threats of “going public” with the email discovery that FBI headquarters reluctantly decided to notify Congress — something Comey previously assured Congress he would do as soon as any new evidence was discovered.

Agents with knowledge of the email investigation, and a tangential case involving alleged “pay to play” scheming between the Clinton State Department and the Clinton Global Initiative, advise me that McCabe wanted to disassemble the Little Rock, Ark., FBI office’s investigation into corruption within the Clinton Foundation. But agents loudly and defiantly balked, and the case remained open.

McCabe, of course, has come under fire for his wife’s acceptance of funds for her unsuccessful 2015 Virginia senate campaign from a political action committee tied to then-Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D-Va.), a longtime Clinton ally and associate.

The most difficult part of any investigation can be proving motive, intent. If the OIG draws a connection between McCabe’s political relationships and the decisions he made, therein would lie the elusive “smoking gun” that FBI senior leadership purposely distorted their fealty to the Constitution and the bureau’s mission.

Embarrassing text messages between FBI deputy assistant director Peter Strzok and FBI attorney Lisa Page already indicate an “insurance policy”against a Trump presidency had been discussed in “Andy’s office,” apparently referring to McCabe. This undoubtedly will be at the heart of the OIG’s focus.

Was there direct, improper coordination — collusion — between the Obama White House, the attorney general and the FBI director?

When James Comey appeared before television cameras on July 5, 2016, to announce that the FBI would not seek charges over Hillary Clinton’s improper usage of a private email server, he made a critical aside. He steadfastly maintained that the White House and DOJ knew nothing of his decision and would learn of it as everyone else would, at the conclusion of his remarks.

Comey had been thrust into an untenable position. Then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s inexplicable 30-minute private meeting with former president Bill Clinton aboard a government jet at the Phoenix airport on June 27, 2016, was conducted out of earshot of her staff. Lynch’s insistence that this dubious interaction was a conversation about “golf and grandkids” has been well chronicled.

Yet, Comey steadfastly maintained that his taking this unprecedented maneuver to circumvent DOJ and speak directly to Americans about the Clinton case was based on his foresworn decision to consult neither DOJ nor the White House, to avoid the appearance of political influence.

Recently released text messages between Strzok and Page indicate Lynch knew of Comey’s decision well in advance. President Obama placed his finger on the scales during a Fox News interview on April 10, 2016; the president, who made a habit of weighing in on cases that had not been fully adjudicated, flatly stated he “continued to believe [Secretary Clinton] has not jeopardized America’s national security.” Case closed.

Since we now also know Strzok and Page attempted to circumvent discovery of their efforts to influence the Clinton email server investigation by switching to non-governmental electronic devices, as highlighted by the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, Comey’s insistence beggars belief.

What else could be gleaned from recovered text messages on devices Strzok and Page switched to, to avoid scrutiny? And if Comey lied about what Lynch and Obama knew before his press conference, what else was he dishonest about?

We all must believe in the rule of law and in due process. In our system of justice, there is a presumption of innocence, and those mentioned above deserve that, too.

Yet, to pretend that the facts outlined above don’t hint of a troubling pattern, is just so much whistling past the graveyard. The OIG’s report must provide the answers.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/375557-3-questions-inspector-general-must-answer-regarding-investigation-of-fbi
What's the conspiracy theory now, TSA?

Is Horowitz still looking into it after all these months?

Did he look into it, find nothing and now the Senate staffers are second guessing him and demanding he look into it again?

It's been four months. You've never had a conspiracy theory last very long without massively changing it tbh.

Chris
06-07-2018, 04:12 PM
Then you definitely think the story you posted is poo poo.

Cool.

Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night pal.

TSA
06-07-2018, 04:27 PM
Yeah, you make a fool of this poster regularly:

What's the conspiracy theory now, TSA?

Is Horowitz still looking into it after all these months?

Did he look into it, find nothing and now the Senate staffers are second guessing him and demanding he look into it again?

It's been four months. You've never had a conspiracy theory last very long without massively changing it tbh.
:lol it's been four months :cry

You are one impatient little fuck.

1. conspiracy theory would still be that the 302's were altered
2. ask Horowitz
3. ask Horowitz or the Senate staffers

My suggestion to you is to just log off of Spurstalk until the OIG is released to the public. The stress this is causing you can not be good for your health.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 04:34 PM
:lol it's been four months :cry

You are one impatient little fuck.

1. conspiracy theory would still be that the 302's were altered
2. ask Horowitz
3. ask Horowitz or the Senate staffers

My suggestion to you is to just log off of Spurstalk until the OIG is released to the public. The stress this is causing you can not be good for your health.lol ask Horowitz

You're the only one really high on the OIG report.

Except for what has already come out.

You're going to move on when the rest of it comes out and doesn't say what you want it to say. Seriously, it looks like your blog folk are just setting up Horowitz so he'll be the next conspiracy theory.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 04:36 PM
Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night pal.You're the one who posted the story, Chris. If running away from it makes you feel better, you go right ahead.

Chris
06-07-2018, 04:39 PM
My suggestion to you is to just log off of Spurstalk until the OIG is released to the public. The stress this is causing you can not be good for your health.

:lol

Chris
06-07-2018, 04:40 PM
1004830592196722688

Chris
06-07-2018, 04:43 PM
1004830066193420288

Chris
06-07-2018, 04:44 PM
1004840424480169985

TSA
06-07-2018, 04:51 PM
lol ask Horowitzwhat kind of answer do you expect when you ask something only Horowitz or those working underneath him would know.


You're the only one really high on the OIG report.

Except for what has already come out.The only thing that has come out from the publicly released portions of the OIG report was a criminal referral for the former Deputy Director of the FBI. And that criminal referral arose out of something Horowitz wasn't even tasked to investigate :lol

I can only imagine the strain your body and mind have been through having to deal with this OIG investigation hanging over your head for the last 18 months. You seriously need to take a break you've been putting in too much overtime here.

TSA
06-07-2018, 04:53 PM
1004840424480169985

1004842549712912385

:rollin

TSA
06-07-2018, 04:53 PM
1004830592196722688

Oconus Lures

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 04:55 PM
what kind of answer do you expect when you ask something only Horowitz or those working underneath him would know.It's your conspiracy theory. It's not my fault you can't keep track of them and have to be reminded what you posted earlier.


The only thing that has come out from the publicly released portions of the OIG report was a criminal referral for the former Deputy Director of the FBI. And that criminal referral arose out of something Horowitz wasn't even tasked to investigate :lol

I can only imagine the strain your body and mind have been through having to deal with this OIG investigation hanging over your head for the last 18 months. You seriously need to take a break you've been putting in too much overtime here.No strain at all.

I said from the very start the IG report won't be what you want it to be.

My story doesn't change.

Your story changes with every blog you read.

You need to be constantly reminded what your story was before you changed it.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 04:56 PM
Oconus LuresWhat is your conspiracy theory, TSA?

Reck
06-07-2018, 04:58 PM
You don't understand rent free and aren't living rent free in anyone's head. It's called memory. You are a self admitted welsher, a labeled welsher, a branded welsher. People don't forgot that. If I were to start a thread asking people what the top 5 welshes were yours would make the list every single time.

You give yourself too much credit. :lol

I dont know which is sadder, that you think everyone thinks I'm a welcher and call me so or that you think people have any respect for you. A known conspiratard on the Wild Cobra level.

People laugh at you, not with you.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 05:04 PM
1004842549712912385

:rollinWhat's your conspiracy theory here, TSA?

Chris
06-07-2018, 05:10 PM
You give yourself too much credit. :lol

I dont know which is sadder, that you think everyone thinks I'm a welcher and call me so or that you think people have any respect for you. A known conspiratard on the Wild Cobra level.

People laugh at you, not with you.

Why did you welch?

Chris
06-07-2018, 05:59 PM
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1004818820358262784

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 06:00 PM
Place your muh bets, gentlemen....

1004842088100454400

Reck
06-07-2018, 06:03 PM
Why did you welch?

Personally I dont think I did. But I wasn't going to honor it anyways. TSA is not trust worthy enough and too much of a degenerate gambler for me to take him seriously.

TSA
06-07-2018, 06:16 PM
Place your muh bets, gentlemen....

1004842088100454400

Former staffer? Dan Jones. Feinstein’s old staffer who is now working with Fusion GPS with a 50 million bankroll.

TSA
06-07-2018, 06:18 PM
Personally I dont think I did. But I wasn't going to honor it anyways. TSA is not trust worthy enough and too much of a degenerate gambler for me to take him seriously.

You refer to me as TSA because I’m trustworthy.
I have “wrong about pizzagate” because I’m trustworthy.
You just admitted, again, you aren’t trustworthy.

You’re a welsher. Own it you untrustworthy piece of shit.

TSA
06-07-2018, 06:19 PM
1004818820358262784

:bobo

Reck
06-07-2018, 06:20 PM
You refer to me as TSA because I’m trustworthy.
I have “wrong about pizzagate” because I’m trustworthy.
You just admitted, again, you aren’t trustworthy.

You’re a welsher. Own it you untrustworthy piece of shit.

TSA fuming 2 years later.

But I'm not living rent free in your shit for brains. :lol

Winehole23
06-07-2018, 06:21 PM
I'M TRUSTWORTHY!

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 06:29 PM
Former staffer? Dan Jones. Feinstein’s old staffer who is now working with Fusion GPS with a 50 million bankroll.Your source?

What did he leak?

TSA
06-07-2018, 06:39 PM
Your source?

What did he leak?

“Place your bets on who you think leaked something gentlemen”

“Dan Jones”

“What is your source and what did Dan Jones leak?”

:lmao

I will pay you $2000 if we can meet up for a beer the next time I fly through Texas.
I have to meet you in person. I’m convinced you’re on the spectrum and need to see you in person.

Pavlov
06-07-2018, 07:09 PM
“Place your bets on who you think leaked something gentlemen”

“Dan Jones”

“What is your source and what did Dan Jones leak?”

:lmaoSo it's just a guess?

OK.


I will pay you $2000 if we can meet up for a beer the next time I fly through Texas.
I have to meet you in person. I’m convinced you’re on the spectrum and need to see you in person.$5000 firm.

djohn2oo8
06-07-2018, 08:08 PM
1004890337381371904
:lmao :lmao :lmao

djohn2oo8
06-07-2018, 08:09 PM
1004891270316208129
:rollin

djohn2oo8
06-07-2018, 08:12 PM
1004868256522493952

ElNono
06-07-2018, 09:11 PM
I don't have a theory about that tweet.

If it's true, then the dossier is true.

If it's false, you're posting fake news, tbh.

Which is it?

boutons_deux
06-07-2018, 09:11 PM
Journalists who received $2.4 million from Manafort turned on him after he told them to lie to special counsel Mueller

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/journalists-received-2-4-million-manafort-turned-told-lie-special-counsel-mueller-report/

Winehole23
06-07-2018, 11:26 PM
Former staffer? Dan Jones. Feinstein’s old staffer who is now working with Fusion GPS with a 50 million bankroll.



A veteran Senate Intelligence Committee staffer was busted in a classified documents probe Thursday for allegedly lying to federal investigators about communications with journalists.


James Wolfe, who served as the committee’s Director of Security for 31 years, was charged with three counts of making false statements, according to court papers. He retired in May.


A U.S. District of Columbia grand jury handed down the indictment, which details “tens of thousands of electronic communications” with three reporters, including one he had a romantic relationship with.


The New York Times identified (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/07/us/politics/times-reporter-phone-records-seized.html) national security reporter Ali Watkins as the reporter Wolfe dated after three years worth of her emails and texts were secretly seized by the Justice Department.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-senate-intelligence-staffer-indicted-classified-documents-20180607-story.html

TSA
06-08-2018, 12:32 AM
Place your muh bets, gentlemen....

1004842088100454400

Buckle up. Get your meds refilled.

1004921958025310208

TSA
06-08-2018, 12:33 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-senate-intelligence-staffer-indicted-classified-documents-20180607-story.html
so many fucking coincidences it’s just crazy :lol

In another case, the indictment said, Mr. Wolfe used an encrypted messaging app to alert another reporter in October 2017 that he had served Mr. Page with a subpoena to testify before the committee. The reporter, who was not named, published an article disclosing that Mr. Page had been compelled to appear. After it was published, Mr. Wolfe wrote to the journalist to say, “Good job!” and, “I’m glad you got the scoop,” according to court papers.

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:33 AM
Place your muh bets, gentlemen....

1004842088100454400

1004914710993604613

this threads going to be a tough pill to swallow. Baby steps.

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 02:48 AM
1004914710993604613

this threads going to be a tough pill to swallow. Baby steps.So you were wrong.

lol

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 08:15 AM
So you were wrong.

lol

:lmao

TSA
06-08-2018, 08:51 AM
So you were wrong.

lol

About what?

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 08:53 AM
About what?

You said it was a Diane Feinstein aide :lmao

TSA
06-08-2018, 09:08 AM
You said it was a Diane Feinstein aide :lmao

Did the wrong guess cost me $2000?

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 09:12 AM
Did the wrong guess cost me $2000?

Diane Feinstein staffer :lmao

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 09:13 AM
Lordy! TSA was proven wrong in record time :lol

spurraider21
06-08-2018, 09:41 AM
Did the wrong guess cost me $2000?
MovingGoalpost.gif

DarrinS
06-08-2018, 09:49 AM
MovingGoalpost.gif

How so?

Winehole23
06-08-2018, 10:12 AM
*yawn

from the prediction about the SSCI leaker to the bet b/w djohn and TSA.

(hits the snooze bar)

spurraider21
06-08-2018, 10:13 AM
So you were wrong.


Did the wrong guess cost me $2000?

Winehole23
06-08-2018, 10:18 AM
TSA has the never admitting he made a mistake disease so bad he had to put an admission he was wrong -- once -- in his avatar.

Now he mostly pretends not to have takes and hides behind tweets. The pressure of being wrong all the time must be getting to him.

TSA
06-08-2018, 10:42 AM
Diane Feinstein staffer :lmao

Honestly what do you find so funny? I was the only person who actually made a guess and it was wrong.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 10:43 AM
Honestly what do you find so funny? I was the only person who actually made a guess and it was wrong.

Because you are wrong alot :lol

TSA
06-08-2018, 11:06 AM
My guess was definitely in the right direction

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1004951939325366272

TSA
06-08-2018, 11:07 AM
1004940680668504064

TSA
06-08-2018, 11:16 AM
Pavlov's grocer seems to have figured out the 4 reporters in the indictment

1005018811358117888

1005014512855080960

TSA
06-08-2018, 11:20 AM
1005007233736945664

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 11:23 AM
lol TSA just went with someone's wrong Twitter guess and now says he was on the right track.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 11:24 AM
lol TSA just went with someone's Twitter guess and now says he was on the right track.

:lmao

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 11:24 AM
This is what he has been reduced to

TSA
06-08-2018, 11:42 AM
lol TSA just went with someone's wrong Twitter guess and now says he was on the right track.

And you can't deny I was on the right track.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 11:42 AM
And you can't deny I was on the right track.

You weren't. You were completely wrong but too much of a pussy to own it.

TSA
06-08-2018, 11:43 AM
347800186195701760

:lol

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 11:48 AM
Wrong. Again. Poor TSA used to run wild in this forum with his conspiracies. Showed up and neutered his ass.

Winehole23
06-08-2018, 11:50 AM
And you can't deny I was on the right track.It can't be denied that fellow Spygaters had similar speculations.

Their tweets do not confirm that you're on the right track, but they do confirm your bias.

Do you think DJT will prosecute journalists?

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 11:54 AM
And you can't deny I was on the right track.
How? You were wrong. It was the wring track because you were wrong.

Blake
06-08-2018, 11:55 AM
And you can't deny I was on the right track.

:lol everyone denying it

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 11:55 AM
How? You were wrong. It was the wring track because you were wrong.

That is his new defense for when he is wrong. "But I was on the right track" :lol

TSA
06-08-2018, 12:03 PM
It can't be denied that fellow Spygaters had similar speculations.

Their tweets do not confirm that you're on the right track, but they do confirm your bias.

Do you think DJT will prosecute journalists?

No I don't think the journalists will be prosecuted nor should they.

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 12:04 PM
Pavlov's grocer seems to have figured out the 4 reporters in the indictment

1005018811358117888

1005014512855080960lol "captures"

lol "on notice"

nothingburger scare words

Winehole23
06-08-2018, 12:10 PM
No I don't think the journalists will be prosecuted nor should they.GWB and Obama greased the skids. It could happen.

TSA
06-08-2018, 12:14 PM
How? You were wrong. It was the wring track because you were wrong.

One can be wrong and be on the right track at the same time. It's not a difficult concept. They guy I guessed worked hand and hand with the guy who got busted.

You also can't deny that my guess was closer than anyone else's :lol

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 12:23 PM
One can be wrong and be on the right track at the same time. It's not a difficult concept. They guy I guessed worked hand and hand with the guy who got busted.

You also can't deny that my guess was closer than anyone else's :lolYou were wrong. Senate staffers for the same committee work together -- what a fascinating revelation!

Your twitter guy went straight to the Democrat because of his bias and you jumped on it because of your bias.

lol

TSA
06-08-2018, 12:27 PM
You were wrong. Senate staffers for the same committee work together -- what a fascinating revelation!

Your twitter guy went straight to the Democrat because of his bias and you jumped on it because of your bias.

lol

I know I was wrong. Did anyone guess closer than me?

Winehole23
06-08-2018, 12:32 PM
They guy I guessed worked hand and hand with the guy who got busted.That's a stretch.

Both of them being mentioned in the same blog doesn't mean they worked "hand and hand."

Nor does the fact that Wolfe helped prepare the Senate torture report and Jones worked for the committee that reviewed it mean that they worked "hand and hand."

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 12:50 PM
I know I was wrong. Did anyone guess closer than me?You were the only one who was wrong.

TSA
06-08-2018, 12:52 PM
You were the only one who was wrong.

:bobo

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:04 PM
So now he wants credit for being wrong :lol

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:05 PM
How many pages can you guys make this about me and not about James Wolfe?

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 01:05 PM
How many pages can you guys make this about me and not about James Wolfe?As long as you try to spin being completely wrong.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:13 PM
1005147500246945795
:lmao

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:15 PM
1005148769225191424
:lmao

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:18 PM
djohn your boy John "dick pic" Schindler looks to be trying to get a backup conspiracy theory for the failing Russiagate conspiracy theory. You've got your marching orders now djohn it's time to start a Israelgate thread.


Mueller Finally Starts to Target Trump’s Israel Ties

Our media has followed the Justice Department’s investigation of President Donald Trump’s ties to Russia closely for more than a year, with each revelation getting granular analysis amid endless television coverage. No news here is too small to avoid hours of talking-head pontification. Yet, it appears that a significant aspect of the inquiry, one that calls the conventional narrative of the case into question, has been missing from public view—until now.

A genuine bombshell dropped yesterday, seemingly out of nowhere. It came in an interview with Simona Mangiante, the wife of George Papadopoulos, the Trump campaign foreign policy advisor who pled guilty last October to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian agents—especially Joseph Mifsud, the mysterious Maltese professor with suspicious Kremlin ties—during the president’s election campaign. As expected, Mangiante explained that her husband, whom she married just three months ago, is innocent of what he admitted he did, and in no way was working for Russian intelligence.

“George had nothing to do with Russia,” she explained, seemingly in an effort to convince the White House that Papadopoulos lacks any dirt on the president’s Kremlin connections that could assist Special Counsel Robert Mueller in his investigation of Team Trump. However, what Mangiante said next was the real shocker: her husband “pled guilty because [Mueller’s prosecutors] threatened to charge him with being an Israeli agent.”

Wait, what?

According to his wife, who insists that George Papadopoulos has nothing to do with Russia, he was facing criminal charges of being a spy for Israel. An attentive reader of her interview will note that Mangiante at no point denied that this accusation is true.

The notion is hardly implausible. Before joining the Trump campaign in early March 2016, Papadopoulos was a self-styled energy consultant who was known for taking strongly pro-Israeli positions in print. To boot, during the 2016 campaign, he met with an Israeli settler leader and assured him that Donald Trump, if elected president, would take a favorable view of Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

Then there’s the backstory to Papadopoulos’ infamous May 10, 2016 meeting at an upscale London wine bar with Alexander Downer, the Australian high commissioner (i.e. ambassador) to Britain. At that hard-drinking affair, the young Trump staffer informed Downer that Russia possessed derogatory information about Hillary Clinton—a claim the Australian diplomat found so troubling that he shared it with Australian security officials, who passed it on to their American partners, thus officially beginning the FBI’s investigation of Trump’s Kremlin ties.

That fateful boozy chat was set up by an unnamed Israeli diplomat. This fact, namely that “the meeting came about through a series of connections involving an Israeli diplomat who introduced Papadopoulos to an Australian counterpart,” was reported at the end of last year, “sourced from four current and former American and foreign officials.” This revelation has not been rebutted, nor has it received the attention it deserves. Given that a high percentage of Israeli diplomats serving abroad are spies, this story needs further investigation.

Moreover, there are strange Israeli footprints all over the Trump-Russia story. Quite a few of the shady figures close to the president and his business affairs are American Jews of Soviet heritage who possess connections to Israel. Felix Sater and Michael Cohen are only the best-known of this dubious crew. Those men are also connected to Chabad of Port Washington, a Jewish community center on Long Island that is part of the worldwide Chabad movement—which reportedly possesses close links to Vladimir Putin and his Kremlin. The recent BBC report that Cohen accepted at least $400,000 from the Ukrainian government to set up a substantive meeting with President Trump last year included the tantalizing detail that this dirty deal ran through attendees of Chabad of Port Washington.

Then there’s the explosive New York Times report just two weeks ago about a hush-hush meeting in Trump Tower on August 3, 2016—less than two months after the other hush-hush meeting there with Kremlin operatives—between Team Trump and George Nader, who reportedly offered Donald Trump, Jr. help with getting his father elected. According to the Times, Nader proffered unofficial (and probably illegal) foreign aid to the Republican nominee’s campaign, including from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

That day, Nader brought with him Joel Zamel, an Israeli expert in several things that were of interest to Team Trump, including social media manipulation. Zamel is known to possess a close relationship with a bunch of former Israeli intelligence officials, and Nader reportedly paid him a large sum, perhaps as much as $2 million, after Trump’s election as compensation for Zamel’s shadowy social media assistance to the president-elect’s campaign in 2016 (both men visited the White House as well).

Zamel is best known as the founder of Wikistrat, a private intelligence firm that was founded in 2010, ostensibly as a “crowdsourced” geopolitical analysis outfit. Although it’s based in Washington, D.C., as The Daily Beast recently uncovered, “Wikistrat is, for all intents and purposes, an Israeli firm; and that the company’s work was not just limited to analysis. It also engaged in intelligence collection.” For this reason, Wikistrat is under investigation by Team Mueller, whose investigators have interviewed Zamel, while FBI agents have traveled to Israel to dig deeper. Several prominent Wikistrat staffers formerly worked for Israeli intelligence—and some experienced espionage professionals in our nation’s capital wonder if they still do.

Israeli espionage against the United States is a perennially touchy subject in Washington. This issue is admitted frankly in counterintelligence circles—and nowhere else. Israel constitutes a unique case. Although it’s a close ally and intelligence partner of ours—the relationship between the National Security Agency and the Israel Defense Force’s Unit 8200, its Israeli equivalent, is exceptionally close—Israel also spies on America aggressively. Year in and year out, Israel ranks in the Big Four counterintelligence threats to the United States, alongside Russia, China and Cuba. It’s not politic to mention this in polite society, however, so the counterspies know a lot about Israel’s spying on us, keeping mum outside their esoteric realm.

Indeed, some counterintelligence pros in Washington have a rather different take on the Mueller inquiry than most Americans do. While Moscow’s secret role in subverting our election in 2016 is plain to see and is now denied only by the willfully obtuse or congenitally dishonest, detecting a direct Kremlin hand on the Trump campaign is trickier. Trump’s links to Moscow are visible but remain somewhat obscure.

His ties to Israel, however, are much plainer to see. Based on the available evidence to date, Team Trump’s 2016 links to shadowy Israelis appear just as troubling as those to dodgy Russians—indeed, in some cases they are the very same people. As a veteran counterspy in our Intelligence Community whom I’ve known for years recently asked me with a wry smile, “What if the real secret of the Trump campaign isn’t that it’s a Kremlin operation, rather an Israeli operation masquerading as a Russian one?”

That’s a provocative question, but it merits consideration beyond counterintelligence circles. After all, Putin and his retinue have ample reason to feel let down by Trump. His greasy obsequiousness to Moscow aside, the president’s policies towards Russia have hardly pleased the Kremlin. Sanctions on Russia remain in effect, NATO’s military posture near Russia’s borders is more robust than a couple years ago, and Ukraine is now getting the anti-tank missiles that the previous White House denied it. Unlike so many of Trump’s assertions, his claim that he’s tougher on Moscow than President Barack Obama happens to be true from any policy perspective.

But not so with Israel. Unlike Obama, Trump has gone whole-hog for the Israeli right-wing, boosting Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, who openly despised Obama, at every opportunity. The recent move of our embassy to Jerusalem, long desired by the Israeli Right, is merely the most prominent of Trump’s gifts to his pal Bibi and his ruling Likud party. Sending a right-wing American Jew who has compared his more liberal co-religionists to Nazi collaborators to serve as our ambassador sent a clear message to Israel, as did the Trump administration’s recent inability to say anything negative about the IDF’s shooting last month of more than a thousand Palestinians at the Gaza border fence, killing 60 of them. Instead, the White House blocked a United Nations resolution condemning that Israeli deed, serving as a tacit endorsement of using automatic weapons for crowd control.

Few of America’s friends around the world are happy with the Trump administration, given its habit of gleefully trashing our longstanding alliances and declaring trade wars on our allies. Israel stands as a significant exception, however, and it’s no wonder that Mueller and his investigators are trying to get to the bottom of what certain Israelis were doing in 2016 in secret to boost the Trump campaign. That answer may eventually prove just as important as Mueller’s inquiry into the Kremlin and its clandestine attack on our democracy two years ago.

http://observer.com/2018/06/muellers-investigation-into-trump-russia-turns-focus-on-israel/

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:20 PM
1005151233609469957

boutons_deux
06-08-2018, 01:30 PM
Manchurian Candidate wants BFF / puppetmaster Pootin re-admitted to G7

Same asshole will not invite GSW to WH

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:31 PM
1005147580643196928

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:32 PM
1005148769225191424
:lmao

May I recommend starting a new thread for Mueller's indictments? None of them have anything to do with Russian election collusion.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:32 PM
1005151099316244480

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 01:33 PM
Damn, TSA trying to forum cop two posts in a row.

lol

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:33 PM
May I recommend starting a new thread for Mueller's indictments? None of them have anything to do with Russian election collusion.

Yet you seemed concerned enough about manafort to post an article why the tampering charges had cold water. Apparently they dont :lmao :lmao

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:40 PM
Oh TSA has moved the goalposts from Russian collusion to Russian election collusion :rollin

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:44 PM
1005153977166651392

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 01:48 PM
Somebody tell me where the hell Susan Rice's indictment is at?

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:51 PM
Damn, TSA trying to forum cop two posts in a row.

lol

Your autism is showing, that was clearly a joke.

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:53 PM
Oh TSA has moved the goalposts from Russian collusion to Russian election collusion :rollin

This isn’t about the election anymore?

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 01:54 PM
Your autism is showing, that was clearly a joke.The first one or the second one?

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:54 PM
Somebody tell me where the hell Susan Rice's indictment is at?

How much money did we bet on that? :rollin

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:54 PM
The first one or the second one?

Only an autist would need clarification

TSA
06-08-2018, 01:57 PM
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20 indicted, 0 indicted for election collusion :rollin

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 01:58 PM
Only an autist would need clarificationOK, now you were only playing serious forum cop once.

lol new "autist" shtick

The more personal you get, the more you prove how flustered you are.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 02:00 PM
We are witnessing a pathetic end to TSA

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 02:02 PM
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Chris
06-08-2018, 02:04 PM
OK, now you were only playing serious forum cop once.

lol new "autist" shtick

The more personal you get, the more you prove how flustered you are.

It's ok to be autistic. We're here for you.

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 02:09 PM
It's ok to be autistic. We're here for you.lol always ready to follow, aren't you?

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:13 PM
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How does this relate to the election djohn? In your own words.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 02:15 PM
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:lol

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:15 PM
OK, now you were only playing serious forum cop once.

lol new "autist" shtick

The more personal you get, the more you prove how flustered you are.

Is that how you think this works? Lol

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 02:16 PM
How does this relate to the election djohn? In your own words.

Best part about it. Trump said none of his people had any Russian ties :lol

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:16 PM
It's ok to be a person with autism. We're here for you.

fify

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:17 PM
Best part about it. Trump said none of his people had any Russian ties :lol

That wasn’t an answer. Try again. How does this relate to the election djohn? In your own words.

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 02:18 PM
Is that how you think this works? LolOK, you tell me why you make it personal all the time.

Be specific.

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:19 PM
OK, you tell me why you make it personal all the time.

Be specific.

I don’t. Was that specific enough?

Blake
06-08-2018, 02:19 PM
OK, you tell me why you make it personal all the time.

Be specific.

But it works for derp and others here

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 02:20 PM
I don’t.You do make it personal.

All the time.

Why?

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 02:21 PM
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:lmao Manafort finna be homeless

pgardn
06-08-2018, 02:25 PM
How does this relate to the election djohn? In your own words.

Barge in...

It does not. The election was so close that either could have won which means we had a split electorate. Trump is our president.

The
problem is that Russians with American counterparts F’d with OUR election and Mueller is doing important work so we can deal out punishment to all involved. So shut Trump’s FN paranoid mouth and let Mueller find all these people. This is a democracy, we can’t have our elections Fd with including making outrageous claims that Clinton illegally had 2-3 million people vote for her. An astoundingly similar number compared to what Trump lost the general election by. We don’t need these idiotic claims when real interference was shoved in our face by the Russians who don’t have real elections.

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:27 PM
You do make it personal.

All the time.

Why?

I don’t make it personal.

All the time.

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 02:28 PM
I don’t make it personal.

All the time.You have for two days straight.

Why?

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 02:29 PM
I'll make it even more simple for TSA. Trump's campaign chair worked with Russian intel during the campaign as well.

spurraider21
06-08-2018, 02:29 PM
All the time.


for two days straight.

had to do it

https://i.imgur.com/WOpzbUA.gif

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:29 PM
You have for two days straight.

Why?

I haven’t.

djohn2oo8
06-08-2018, 02:30 PM
I am curious why TSA said we should be friends with Russia.

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:30 PM
I'll make it even more simple for TSA. Trump's campaign chair worked with Russian intel during the campaign as well.

:lol

Pavlov
06-08-2018, 02:30 PM
I haven’t.So the autism talk is related to the Mueller investigation how?

Be specific.

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:31 PM
I am curious why TSA said we should be friends with Russia.

I am curious if you’ll actually try and back that claim or just scurry off like you always do when asked.

TSA
06-08-2018, 02:32 PM
So the autism talk is related to the Mueller investigation how?

Be specific.

It’s not related to the Mueller investigation it’s related to what I think of you.

Blake
06-08-2018, 02:32 PM
had to do it

https://i.imgur.com/WOpzbUA.gif

Hyperbole bad now