View Full Version : Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions
Pavlov
10-25-2017, 07:03 PM
You've got a funny definition of lied.You got caught lying. Deal with it.
You got caught lying. Deal with it.
You have a funny definition of lying.
Pavlov
10-25-2017, 07:30 PM
You have a funny definition of lying.You intentionally gave false information.
You lied.
Plain and simple.
boutons_deux
10-25-2017, 10:31 PM
Trump says the Russian dossier has been ‘completely discredited.’ He’s wrong.
Many of the dossier's disturbing allegations have already been independently corroborated.
Much of what the Steele Dossier alleges, however, has already been independently verified.
It’s also already been reported that Steele’s project was funded by Democrats, as well as other donors critical of Trump.
The dossier makes a series of explosive allegations against Trump. It charges
that Russia has been “cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump” for five years,
that his inner circle has accepted regular help from the Kremlin and,
most shockingly, that there were a number of unsubstantiated encounters between Trump and Russian prostitutes.
Trump, unsurprisingly, has refuted the story completely.
The dossier alleges that several key figures close to Trump helped shuttle information between the campaign and Moscow.
Among them was Trump operative Carter Page, who the dossier alleges held “secret meetings in Moscow” with Putin ally Igor Sechin, where they discussed “[releases] of Russian dossiers of ‘kompromat’ on Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton.”
In September 2016 it was reported that Page had visited Moscow for three days in 2016 (https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-intel-officials-probe-ties-between-trump-adviser-and-kremlin-175046002.html) and met with Igor Sechin in a move personally approved by Trump’s former campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/carter-page-russia-trip-trump-corey-lewandowski-235784).
The Steele dossier also claims that Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chief, was in charge of gathering information on Hilary Clinton in return for information about Russian oligarchs and an agreement to “sideline” any talks on Ukraine.
The New York Times reported that Manafort had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0),
A number of current law enforcement, intelligence and administration officials confirmed in February that other several high level advisers, including former National Security adviser Michael Flynn, were “regularly communicating” with Russian nationals — drawing the concern of U.S. intelligence and law enforcement (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/donald-trump-aides-russians-campaign/).
The FBI has also said it believes that Trump campaign associates coordinated with Russian officials to release information damaging (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/politics/us-officials-info-suggests-trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians/index.html) to Hillary Clinton.
multiple meetings between Trump surrogates, which are outlined in the dossier, were later confirmed by media intelligence sources, pointing to a suspiciously high degree of communication and coordination between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign.
“Many of my former CIA colleagues have taken the Orbis reports seriously since they were first published,” former member of the CIA’s Senior Intelligence Service John Sipher over at Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/a_complete_timeline_of_the_obstruction_of_justice_ case_against_donald_trump.html).
“They understand the potential plausibility of the reports’ overall narrative based on their experienced understanding of both Russian methods and the nature of raw intelligence reporting.”
https://thinkprogress.org/no-the-russian-dossier-isnt-fake-news-8b575bc47bd1/
DarrinS
10-25-2017, 11:24 PM
Screaming helplessly at the sky
If Mueller's investigation is indeed going this direction it explains why the Dems on the investigative committees have shut up about muh Russia
liar! A dem tweeted about Russia a few days ago :cry
The lengths you go through on this board are pathetic :rollin
When is the sentencing scheduled to start?
Pavlov
10-26-2017, 12:20 AM
The lengths you go through on this board are pathetic :rollin:lol one of the the first things I did was link a committee Dem talking about it on national TV today. You're a horrible liar.
:lol one of the the first things I did was link a committee Dem talking about it on national TV today. You're a horrible liar.
Here's what a lie looks like courtesy of your girl
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/357237-clinton-did-not-know-about-trump-dossier-until-publication?amp
Pavlov
10-26-2017, 02:24 AM
Here's what a lie looks like courtesy of your girl
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/357237-clinton-did-not-know-about-trump-dossier-until-publication?ampYou lied all day, dude. Don't whine about it.
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 11:25 AM
I still stand by the Dems shutting up about muh Russia. One or two tweets doesn't move the needle for me.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/83116dac5575fef19f9a39e17984e7bd/tenor.gif?itemid=9264828
Tweets, press releases, news stories and interviews be enough for you?
Better get cracking to prove your claim. I don't work cheap, and have given you enough of my time for free.
Your claim, your burden of proof.
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 11:28 AM
A couple of tweets is right on par with Dems shutting the fuck up about muh Russia.
Your claim, your burden of proof. Get cracking. I want to see a list of press releases, tweets/social media posts and interviews done with all the Democrats on all four committees in the last month, with transcripts, and topical summaries.
If you cant do that, your claim amounts to fuckall. The default position is not to think something is true until it is proven to be so.
Your claim, your burden of proof. Get cracking. I want to see a list of press releases, tweets/social media posts and interviews done with all the Democrats on all four committees in the last month, with transcripts, and topical summaries.
If you cant do that, your claim amounts to fuckall. The default position is not to think something is true until it is proven to be so.
Why would I go back an entire month when my comment was based on the new information that came out in the last week?
Democrats, Russians and the FBI
Did the bureau use disinformation to trigger its Trump probe?
It turns out that Russia has sown distrust in the U.S. political system—aided and abetted by the Democratic Party, and perhaps the FBI. This is an about-face from the dominant media narrative of the last year, and it requires a full investigation.
The Washington Post revealed Tuesday that the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee jointly paid for that infamous “dossier” full of Russian disinformation against Donald Trump. They filtered the payments through a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie), which hired the opposition-research hit men at Fusion GPS. Fusion in turn tapped a former British spook, Christopher Steele, to compile the allegations, which are based largely on anonymous, Kremlin-connected sources.
Strip out the middlemen, and it appears that Democrats paid for Russians to compile wild allegations about a U.S. presidential candidate. Did someone say “collusion”?
This news is all the more explosive because the DNC and Clinton campaign hid their role, even amid the media furor after BuzzFeed published the Steele dossier in January. Reporters are now saying that Clinton campaign officials lied to them about their role in the dossier. Current DNC Chair Tom Perez and former Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz deny knowing about the dossier arrangement, but someone must have known.
Perhaps this explains why Congressional Democrats have been keen to protect Fusion from answering dossier questions—disrupting hearings, protesting subpoenas and deriding Republican investigators. Two of Fusion’s cofounders invoked their Fifth Amendment rights last week rather than answer House Intelligence Committee questions, and Fusion filed a federal lawsuit on Friday to block committee subpoenas of its bank records.
The more troubling question is whether the FBI played a role, even if inadvertently, in assisting a Russian disinformation campaign. We know the agency possessed the dossier in 2016, and according to media reports it debated paying Mr. Steele to continue his work in the runup to the election. This occurred while former FBI Director James Comey was ramping up his probe into supposed ties between the Trump campaign and Russians.
Two pertinent questions: Did the dossier trigger the FBI probe of the Trump campaign, and did Mr. Comey or his agents use it as evidence to seek wiretapping approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Trump campaign aides?
Congressional investigators need to focus on the FBI’s role, and House Speaker Paul Ryan was correct Wednesday to insist that the bureau comply with Congress’s document demands “immediately.” Mr. Sessions has recused himself from the Justice Department’s Russia probe, but he and Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein can still insist on transparency. Mr. Ryan should also reinstall Intelligence Chair Devin Nunes as lead on the Russia investigation, since it appears the Democratic accusations against him were aimed in part at throwing him off the Fusion trail.
All of this also raises questions about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. The Fusion news means the FBI’s role in Russia’s election interference must now be investigated—even as the FBI and Justice insist that Mr. Mueller’s probe prevents them from cooperating with Congressional investigators.
Mr. Mueller is a former FBI director, and for years he worked closely with Mr. Comey. It is no slur against Mr. Mueller’s integrity to say that he lacks the critical distance to conduct a credible probe of the bureau he ran for a dozen years. He could best serve the country by resigning to prevent further political turmoil over that conflict of interest.
The American public deserves a full accounting of the scope and nature of Russian meddling in American democracy, and that means following the trail of the Steele dossier as much as it does the meetings of Trump campaign officials.
Appeared in the October 26, 2017, print edition.
http://archive.is/M3Iak#selection-2221.0-2269.50
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 11:53 AM
Why would I go back an entire month when my comment was based on the new information that came out in the last week?
(shrugs)
A week, given everything going on in Congress, since it is in session, is not really much. But just because I know you are too lazy to do even that.
I want to see a list of press releases, tweets/social media posts and interviews done with all the Democrats on all four committees in the last week, with transcripts, and topical summaries.
If you cant do that, your claim amounts to fuckall. The default position is not to think something is true until it is proven to be so.
Get cracking.
(shrugs)
A week, given everything going on in Congress, since it is in session, is not really much. But just because I know you are too lazy to do even that.
I want to see a list of press releases, tweets/social media posts and interviews done with all the Democrats on all four committees in the last week, with transcripts, and topical summaries.
If you cant do that, your claim amounts to fuckall. The default position is not to think something is true until it is proven to be so.
Get cracking.
You act as if I made some grandiose claim :lol
"If Mueller's investigation is indeed going this direction it explains why the Dems on the investigative committees have shut up about muh Russia"
I'm not going to clutter up this thread trying to prove an observation I made from what I've seen and read in the last week. I know you and Chumpdumper would love me to because then we'll go 5 more pages without discussing what is actually going on right now.
Have you made a single comment on the recent revelations concerning the FBI, Clinton, Mueller, Podesta?
Pavlov
10-26-2017, 03:03 PM
923558802628149248:nope
spurraider21
10-26-2017, 03:19 PM
:lol hater's top news sources
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 04:04 PM
You act as if I made some grandiose claim :lol
"If Mueller's investigation is indeed going this direction it explains why the Dems on the investigative committees have shut up about muh Russia"
I'm not going to clutter up this thread trying to prove an observation I made from what I've seen and read in the last week. I know you and Chumpdumper would love me to because then we'll go 5 more pages without discussing what is actually going on right now.
Have you made a single comment on the recent revelations concerning the FBI, Clinton, Mueller, Podesta?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/2d/a9/f32da95fcae53e31342d10d944d3ac9f--monty-python-art-posters.jpg
:lol
That's what I thought.
Safe to conclude the Democrats are still talking about Russian attempts to influence the election and potential collusion with the Trump campaign.
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 04:10 PM
You seem to want to feed me an aweful lot of red herring.
While I am partial to salted fish snacks, I'm full.
Is Trumps travel ban on Putin's enemy consistent with my theory of Trump being compromised?
I never once took the time to read your theory it was honestly tl:dr
:rollin "too long"
The theory is:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians.
Hopefully you managed to summon the mental fortitude to read the entire 11 word sentence. :dramaquee
Is Trump banning a prominent critic of Putin from traveling to the US consistent with that huge, long theory?
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 04:14 PM
https://www.inquisitr.com/4571025/trump-russia-latest-vladimir-putin-bill-browder/
TRUMP RUSSIA NEWS: U.S. REVOKES VISA OF TOP VLADIMIR PUTIN ENEMY BILL BROWDER, WHO WAS BORN IN UNITED STATES
Just in case TSA is also too lazy to scroll back a couple of pages. Here it is with a bow on top.
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 04:18 PM
Manafort faces new money laundering probe: report
© Greg Nash
President Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort is facing a new probe into possible money laundering, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday.
Sources told the newspaper that the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office is now pursuing an investigation into Manafort, adding to state and federal probes relating to the former Trump aide.
The investigation by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York is being done in collaboration with special counsel Robert Mueller’s own probe into possible laundering by Manafort, according to the report.
Manafort’s spokesman declined to comment on the new probe to the newspaper.
Manafort was already facing both state and federal probes for money laundering. New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) has also teamed up with Mueller to investigate Manafort.
The report of the new investigation comes after Trump reportedly interviewed at least two of the candidates for U.S. attorney positions in New York, including for the office that is overseeing the new Manafort probe.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/357023-manafort-faces-new-investigation-for-money-laundering-report
Chris
10-26-2017, 04:22 PM
So even though all the evidence points to Obama,Hillary, and the rest of the Globalist swamp (Rhino-Repugs included), the witch-hunt against Trump continues without merit. Gowdy has a huge mess to clean up smh
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 04:24 PM
https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21730685-anyone-hoping-neat-conclusion-likely-be-disappointed-how-robert-muellers
lmost a year after his victory, and despite numerous revelations of Russian-funded attempts to stoke racial, religious and ethnic conflicts during the 2016 election, downplaying the attacks remains Mr Trump’s default response. In discussions of Russian misconduct, the president sees a bid by Democrats, the “fake media” and other perceived enemies to undermine the legitimacy of his victory. As Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a Republican foreign-policy hawk, told NBC, the Trump administration has “a blind spot on Russia I still can’t figure out”.
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 04:24 PM
So even though all the evidence points to Obama,Hillary, and the rest of the Globalist swamp (Rhino-Repugs included), the witch-hunt against Trump continues without merit. Gowdy has a huge mess to clean up smh
None of the evidence points to Obama Hillary, and the rest of the globalist swamp.
There is a huge merit to investigating Trump.
Pavlov
10-26-2017, 04:26 PM
So even though all the evidence points to Obama,Hillary, and the rest of the Globalist swamp (Rhino-Repugs included), the witch-hunt against Trump continues without merit. Gowdy has a huge mess to clean up smhWho got the Republican Party to change its platform on Ukraine during the convention, Chris? Where does the evidence there point?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/2d/a9/f32da95fcae53e31342d10d944d3ac9f--monty-python-art-posters.jpg
:lol
That's what I thought.
Safe to conclude the Democrats are still talking about Russian attempts to influence the election and potential collusion with the Trump campaign.
Have you made a single comment on the recent revelations concerning the FBI, Clinton, Mueller, Podesta?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f3/2d/a9/f32da95fcae53e31342d10d944d3ac9f--monty-python-art-posters.jpg
https://www.inquisitr.com/4571025/trump-russia-latest-vladimir-putin-bill-browder/
TRUMP RUSSIA NEWS: U.S. REVOKES VISA OF TOP VLADIMIR PUTIN ENEMY BILL BROWDER, WHO WAS BORN IN UNITED STATES
Just in case TSA is also too lazy to scroll back a couple of pages. Here it is with a bow on top.
Just in case RandomGuy was too lazy to fact check with his favorite website...here it is with a bolded bow on top.
https://www.snopes.com/2017/10/23/bill-browder-banned-from-entering-the-united-states/
The 17 October Interpol notice, however, was not a red notice. Interpol has, to date, denied three requests to issue such a notice on the grounds that it is politically motivated. This attempt used something referred to as a “diffusion notice,” which is not vetted through Interpol’s central headquarters, and which Browder told us via email he views as a loophole:
There are Interpol Red Notices and Interpol Diffusion Notices. The red notices are vetted through Interpol HQ while the diffusion notices are sent directly by a country without the Interpol screening. After Russia [had been] rejected three times [while] trying to get a red notice [placed on me], they tried using the loophole of going for diffusion notices.
This Russian effort is the first time such actions have affected Browder’s travel to the United States, he told us via email. Browder said he was alerted to his change in status by an email from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) informing him of a change to his Global Entry program status on 19 October 2017. This ultimately led him to discover the Kremlin’s Interpol notice:
I got an email from DHS saying that my Global Entry [a fast-track program for frequent international travelers] was revoked, which tipped me off to my visa problem and then to the Interpol diffusion notice.
DHS told us via email such notices could trigger a process that would put Browder’s electronic travel authorization into a “pending” status, but that he had been re-approved for inclusion in the program by 18 October 2017:
William Browder’s ESTA remains valid for travel to the United States. His ESTA was manually approved by CBP on Oct. 18—clearing him for travel to the United States. […]
When possible matches to derogatory information are found, applications will be vetted through normal CBP procedures which include a manual review by a CBP analyst and a supervisor prior to a determination being made. Applications being manually reviewed may temporarily be placed in a “pending” status until a final determination is made. [Browder] would have been placed in a pending status.
If this is indeed the case, the change in status did not make its way back to Browder, who told us that (contrary to the DHS timeline) he received notice of his ESTA status change the day after he was “cleared” for travel to the United States.
Numerous outlets have reported that Browder’s visa had been revoked. This is not technically accurate, as Browder would not have needed a visa if he were part of the ESTA program. An official with the United States Department of State told us via email that their office would not be responsible for changes to a person’s ESTA status, and that they have received no application regarding a Browder visa.
:rollin getting Snopes'd
Pavlov
10-26-2017, 04:41 PM
Snopes good now.
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 05:35 PM
Just in case RandomGuy was too lazy to fact check with his favorite website...here it is with a bolded bow on top.
https://www.snopes.com/2017/10/23/bill-browder-banned-from-entering-the-united-states/
The 17 October Interpol notice, however, was not a red notice. Interpol has, to date, denied three requests to issue such a notice on the grounds that it is politically motivated. This attempt used something referred to as a “diffusion notice,” which is not vetted through Interpol’s central headquarters, and which Browder told us via email he views as a loophole:
There are Interpol Red Notices and Interpol Diffusion Notices. The red notices are vetted through Interpol HQ while the diffusion notices are sent directly by a country without the Interpol screening. After Russia [had been] rejected three times [while] trying to get a red notice [placed on me], they tried using the loophole of going for diffusion notices.
This Russian effort is the first time such actions have affected Browder’s travel to the United States, he told us via email. Browder said he was alerted to his change in status by an email from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) informing him of a change to his Global Entry program status on 19 October 2017. This ultimately led him to discover the Kremlin’s Interpol notice:
I got an email from DHS saying that my Global Entry [a fast-track program for frequent international travelers] was revoked, which tipped me off to my visa problem and then to the Interpol diffusion notice.
DHS told us via email such notices could trigger a process that would put Browder’s electronic travel authorization into a “pending” status, but that he had been re-approved for inclusion in the program by 18 October 2017:
William Browder’s ESTA remains valid for travel to the United States. His ESTA was manually approved by CBP on Oct. 18—clearing him for travel to the United States. […]
When possible matches to derogatory information are found, applications will be vetted through normal CBP procedures which include a manual review by a CBP analyst and a supervisor prior to a determination being made. Applications being manually reviewed may temporarily be placed in a “pending” status until a final determination is made. [Browder] would have been placed in a pending status.
If this is indeed the case, the change in status did not make its way back to Browder, who told us that (contrary to the DHS timeline) he received notice of his ESTA status change the day after he was “cleared” for travel to the United States.
Numerous outlets have reported that Browder’s visa had been revoked. This is not technically accurate, as Browder would not have needed a visa if he were part of the ESTA program. An official with the United States Department of State told us via email that their office would not be responsible for changes to a person’s ESTA status, and that they have received no application regarding a Browder visa.
:rollin getting Snopes'd
Yay. Better information.
Thank you, I appreciate it.
RandomGuy
10-26-2017, 05:37 PM
Snopes good now.
Unless it is talking about pizzagate... ;)
boutons_deux
10-27-2017, 10:54 AM
Pootin's BFFs Trash and RexXON T being more conveniently friendly
Tillerson cuts Obama-era office to oversee foreign sanctions — as White House misses Russia deadline
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has eliminated (https://thehill.com/policy/international/357445-tillerson-eliminates-key-state-department-sanctions-office-report) an office created by Hillary Clinton that coordinates foreign sanctions policy.
Former diplomats and congressional sources said Tillerson had eliminated the office of the Coordinator for Sanctions Policy as part of State Department overhaul,
Clinton, a secretary of state in the Obama administration, set up the office to coordinate sanctions with the Treasury Department across both Cabinet agencies.
Lawmakers criticized the Trump administration Wednesday for missing an Oct. 1 deadline to implement new sanctions imposed by Congress against Russia for election interference.
The delay “calls into question the Trump administration’s commitment to the sanctions bill,”
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/tillerson-cuts-obama-era-office-to-oversee-foreign-sanctions-as-white-house-misses-russia-deadline/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
Trash refusing to implement sanctions on BFF Pootin as passed by a Repug Congress
RandomGuy
10-27-2017, 11:09 AM
Just in case RandomGuy was too lazy to fact check with his favorite website...here it is with a bolded bow on top.
https://www.snopes.com/2017/10/23/bill-browder-banned-from-entering-the-united-states/
The 17 October Interpol notice, however, was not a red notice. Interpol has, to date, denied three requests to issue such a notice on the grounds that it is politically motivated. This attempt used something referred to as a “diffusion notice,” which is not vetted through Interpol’s central headquarters, and which Browder told us via email he views as a loophole:
There are Interpol Red Notices and Interpol Diffusion Notices. The red notices are vetted through Interpol HQ while the diffusion notices are sent directly by a country without the Interpol screening. After Russia [had been] rejected three times [while] trying to get a red notice [placed on me], they tried using the loophole of going for diffusion notices.
This Russian effort is the first time such actions have affected Browder’s travel to the United States, he told us via email. Browder said he was alerted to his change in status by an email from the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS) informing him of a change to his Global Entry program status on 19 October 2017. This ultimately led him to discover the Kremlin’s Interpol notice:
I got an email from DHS saying that my Global Entry [a fast-track program for frequent international travelers] was revoked, which tipped me off to my visa problem and then to the Interpol diffusion notice.
DHS told us via email such notices could trigger a process that would put Browder’s electronic travel authorization into a “pending” status, but that he had been re-approved for inclusion in the program by 18 October 2017:
William Browder’s ESTA remains valid for travel to the United States. His ESTA was manually approved by CBP on Oct. 18—clearing him for travel to the United States. […]
When possible matches to derogatory information are found, applications will be vetted through normal CBP procedures which include a manual review by a CBP analyst and a supervisor prior to a determination being made. Applications being manually reviewed may temporarily be placed in a “pending” status until a final determination is made. [Browder] would have been placed in a pending status.
If this is indeed the case, the change in status did not make its way back to Browder, who told us that (contrary to the DHS timeline) he received notice of his ESTA status change the day after he was “cleared” for travel to the United States.
Numerous outlets have reported that Browder’s visa had been revoked. This is not technically accurate, as Browder would not have needed a visa if he were part of the ESTA program. An official with the United States Department of State told us via email that their office would not be responsible for changes to a person’s ESTA status, and that they have received no application regarding a Browder visa.
:rollin getting Snopes'd
Now that we have that out of the way:
Is Trumps signing statement for the Russia sanctions consistent with my theory? (i.e. Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians)
Now that we have that out of the way:
Is Trumps signing statement for the Russia sanctions consistent with my theory? (i.e. Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians)
The same Russia sanctions many in the EU opposed?
djohn2oo8
10-27-2017, 12:27 PM
923958990077415424 monosylab1k Reck baseline bum Pavlov
djohn2oo8
10-27-2017, 12:28 PM
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monosylab1k
10-27-2017, 01:13 PM
I don’t know how anybody with a fully functional brain could begin to deny the collusion between Trump and Russia. It’s as blatant as can be. Whether anything comes of it is another story entirely, though. I doubt we see anything beyond maybe Manafort and/or Flynn getting minor prison sentences.
RandomGuy
10-27-2017, 02:07 PM
Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Now that we have that out of the way:
Is Trumps signing statement for the Russia sanctions consistent with my theory? (i.e. Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians)
The same Russia sanctions many in the EU opposed?
Not an answer to my question.
2nd time:
Is Trumps signing statement for the Russia sanctions consistent with my theory? (i.e. Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians)
baseline bum
10-27-2017, 02:22 PM
I don’t know how anybody with a fully functional brain could begin to deny the collusion between Trump and Russia. It’s as blatant as can be. Whether anything comes of it is another story entirely, though. I doubt we see anything beyond maybe Manafort and/or Flynn getting minor prison sentences.
Pretty much this, minus the prison since Dear Leader will pardon those fucks.
RandomGuy
10-27-2017, 02:32 PM
TRUMP: A wonderful man came to my office a week ago. A very highly respected man and he sat down and he said, “You know it’s been very unfair. From the day you have been president you’ve been under this little veil of Russia, Russia, Russia.” And with all of this being said, I want to say this, I think it would be great if we got along with Russia.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with – you know they are a power, they’re a nuclear power. I think we could have a good relationship. I think that North Korean situation would be easier settled. And I just spoke to the President of China, I congratulated him on his big victory. But it would be wonderful if we could speak to China and Russia. Because China is helping us and maybe Russia’s going through the other way and hurting what we’re getting.
I mean when I say maybe, I think I know exactly what I’m talking about. If we had a relationship with Russia, that would be a good thing, not a bad thing.
http://www.valuewalk.com/2017/10/trump-dobbs/
Trump criticizes anyone and everyone at the drop of a hat.
Except one country, which he never says anything bad about, nor its leader.
Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
Not an answer to my question.
2nd time:
Is Trumps signing statement for the Russia sanctions consistent with my theory? (i.e. Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians)
I'll assume it is the same sanctions many in the EU opposed and some even slammed. No, I do not think Trump's statements mean he has been compromised in some way by the Russians.
RandomGuy
10-27-2017, 04:07 PM
Now that we have that out of the way:
Is Trumps signing statement for the Russia sanctions consistent with my theory? (i.e. Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians)
The same Russia sanctions many in the EU opposed?
Not an answer to my question.
2nd time:
Is Trumps signing statement for the Russia sanctions consistent with my theory? (i.e. Donald Trump has been compromised in some way by the Russians)
I'll assume it is the same sanctions many in the EU opposed and some even slammed. No, I do not think Trump's statements mean he has been compromised in some way by the Russians.
Not an answer to my question. "I do not think that...he has been compromised" is not an answer to the question: "Is this statement consistent with my theory"
A signing statement is a very specific thing. I will assume here that you are merely ignorant of what that is, and not deliberately being obtuse. To that end, here is the statement after being handed a veto-proof bill.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/08/02/statement-president-donald-j-trump-signing-hr-3364
A president compromised by Russia would attempt to show how and why the executive would drag its feet and lightly enforce any such sanctions, so as to minimize any potential impact on Russian interests.
Is this statement consistent with that description of what a compromised president would do?
RandomGuy
10-27-2017, 04:13 PM
For anyone who can read more than 11 words at a time:
Today, I have signed into law H.R. 3364, the "Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act." While I favor tough measures to punish and deter aggressive and destabilizing behavior by Iran, North Korea, and Russia, this legislation is significantly flawed.
In its haste to pass this legislation, the Congress included a number of clearly unconstitutional provisions. For instance, although I share the policy views of sections 253 and 257, those provisions purport to displace the President's exclusive constitutional authority to recognize foreign governments, including their territorial bounds, in conflict with the Supreme Court's recent decision in Zivotofsky v. Kerry.
Additionally, section 216 seeks to grant the Congress the ability to change the law outside the constitutionally required process. The bill prescribes a review period that precludes the President from taking certain actions. Certain provisions in section 216, however, conflict with the Supreme Court's decision in INS v. Chadha, because they purport to allow the Congress to extend the review period through procedures that do not satisfy the requirements for changing the law under Article I, section 7 of the Constitution. I nevertheless expect to honor the bill's extended waiting periods to ensure that the Congress will have a full opportunity to avail itself of the bill's review procedures.
Further, certain provisions, such as sections 254 and 257, purport to direct my subordinates in the executive branch to undertake certain diplomatic initiatives, in contravention of the President's exclusive constitutional authority to determine the time, scope, and objectives of international negotiations. And other provisions, such as sections 104, 107, 222, 224, 227, 228, and 234, would require me to deny certain individuals entry into the United States, without an exception for the President's responsibility to receive ambassadors under Article II, section 3 of the Constitution. My Administration will give careful and respectful consideration to the preferences expressed by the Congress in these various provisions and will implement them in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority to conduct foreign relations.
Finally, my Administration particularly expects the Congress to refrain from using this flawed bill to hinder our important work with European allies to resolve the conflict in Ukraine, and from using it to hinder our efforts to address any unintended consequences it may have for American businesses, our friends, or our allies.
A second watered down version was also issued.
Chris
10-27-2017, 04:13 PM
:cry it's blatant :cry
:cry muh Media said so:cry
:cry muh Maddow
:cry muh Tapper
DarrinS
10-27-2017, 05:22 PM
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boutons_deux
10-27-2017, 05:50 PM
Trash protecting BFF Pootin
Quadzilla99
10-27-2017, 08:07 PM
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Quadzilla99
10-27-2017, 08:10 PM
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Spurminator
10-27-2017, 08:10 PM
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I predict twelve presidential tweets about Hillary tomorrow morning.
Quadzilla99
10-27-2017, 08:14 PM
I predict twelve presidential tweets about Hillary tomorrow morning.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNL79rWVQAAk-kz?format=jpg&name=small
djohn2oo8
10-27-2017, 08:43 PM
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Reck baseline bum Pavlov
hitmanyr2k
10-27-2017, 09:08 PM
That explains Republicans bending over backwards trying to get traction on the Uranium One stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if the Trump administration and Republicans got word from the DOJ that this was coming and tried their best to drum up some distractions similar to the Seth Rich story lol.
djohn2oo8
10-27-2017, 10:22 PM
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djohn2oo8
10-27-2017, 10:24 PM
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baseline bum
10-27-2017, 10:34 PM
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So this is likely to be Manafort?
Trill Clinton
10-27-2017, 10:36 PM
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djohn2oo8 they laugh at you and call you crazy but man, you been keeping this thread alive and its looking like you were right all along. i await the deflections and smiley's from your critics.
djohn2oo8
10-27-2017, 10:37 PM
So this is likely to be Manafort?
Most likely.
djohn2oo8
10-27-2017, 10:38 PM
880686761848045570
djohn2oo8 they laugh at you and call you crazy but man, you been keeping this thread alive and its looking like you were right all along. i await the deflections and smiley's from your critics.
:tu
baseline bum
10-27-2017, 10:49 PM
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djohn2oo8 they laugh at you and call you crazy but man, you been keeping this thread alive and its looking like you were right all along. i await the deflections and smiley's from your critics.
Problem is Trump will just pardon Manafort. The GOP is way too scared of Trump to ever think of impeaching. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to fire Mueller yet. There won't be any repercussions when he does, and he will definitely try to.
Quadzilla99
10-27-2017, 10:57 PM
Lmao
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baseline bum
10-27-2017, 11:03 PM
Lmao
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:rollin
Quadzilla99
10-27-2017, 11:24 PM
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djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:03 AM
Problem is Trump will just pardon Manafort. The GOP is way too scared of Trump to ever think of impeaching. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to fire Mueller yet. There won't be any repercussions when he does, and he will definitely try to.
Trump can't pardon for state crimes which Manafort is facing federal and state charges. And no worries. Mueller is 10 moves ahead.
And Trump has tried to fire Mueller. Kelly has threatened Trump with some bad bad shit if he did it.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:08 AM
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djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:20 AM
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:lol
monosylab1k
10-28-2017, 12:37 AM
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Pavlov
10-28-2017, 12:43 AM
With all the shiny objects Trump supporters here have been distracted by, it's almost as if their puppetmasters knew something was going to happen this week.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:52 AM
With all the shiny objects Trump supporters here have been distracted by, it's almost as if their puppetmasters knew something was going to happen this week.
And it's only the beginning.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:53 AM
https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-09-2015/x580wh.gif
Pavlov
10-28-2017, 01:14 AM
So the only thing to talk about now is whether the indictment is for Susan Rice or Hillary Clinton, right?
monosylab1k
10-28-2017, 01:32 AM
So the only thing to talk about now is whether the indictment is for Susan Rice or Hillary Clinton, right?
Obama in handcuffs on Monday morning, book it.
Quadzilla99
10-28-2017, 02:06 AM
Obama in handcuffs on Monday morning, book it.
Why aren't all the Obama sexual harrassment victims coming forward?
How much is Soros paying to keep them quiet?
RandomGuy
10-28-2017, 06:54 AM
So the only thing to talk about now is whether the indictment is for Susan Rice or Hillary Clinton, right?
hehehehehehehe
RandomGuy
10-28-2017, 06:56 AM
That explains Republicans bending over backwards trying to get traction on the Uranium One stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if the Trump administration and Republicans got word from the DOJ that this was coming and tried their best to drum up some distractions similar to the Seth Rich story lol.
It also explains the shrill cries of "Mueller has to recuse himself".
RandomGuy
10-28-2017, 06:58 AM
When is the sentencing scheduled to start?
We'll let you know after the first arrest.
RandomGuy
10-28-2017, 07:00 AM
:lol thinking Mueller stops at Podesta
Wanna bet one who the first arrest is?
My money is on Manafort
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 07:40 AM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18ivnuratpvltgif/k-bigpic.gif
What's happening to the Trump Presidency.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 07:44 AM
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djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 07:53 AM
https://media.tenor.com/images/03a588cd89296ce1f2025ebfb6a6e0fd/tenor.gif
Darrin. I see you lurking pleighboi.
Trill Clinton
10-28-2017, 08:12 AM
djohn2oo8 thoughts?
This gets deep, so follow closely.
On February 10, USA Today reported the following (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/10/trump-executive-order-obama-justice-department-succession/97752898/):
Seven days before he left office, President Obama changed the order of succession without explanation to remove Boente from the list. Obama's order had listed U.S. attorneys in the District of Columbia, the Northern District of Illinois and the Central District of California.
1 week before Obama leaves office: Before Obama removes Boente out of the DoJ line of succession. Odd move. Why would he do that? Is he signalling?
REMEMBER, by moving Boente, he saves Boente from being fired when Trump fired all those Attorney Generals.
As soon as Trump comes in, because he's so anti-Obama, he promote Boente back in succession.
Yates gets fired
Boente becomes acting AG
Sessions becomes AG after being sworn in. Boente goes back to National Security AG
Rod Rosenstein becomes #2
Sessions is forced to recuse.
Boente becomes point person on Trump-Russia investigations at DoJ under Rosenstein.
Obama played chess with Trump. Bigly. Huge power play to get someone unfavorable to Trump in the mix.
Obama’s executive order didn’t actually remove Boente from his job or change anything about his position. All it did was state that Boente would be passed over if recusals began. So Obama did’t punish Boente in any real world sense; he merely created the appearance that he had. And it may have been enough to bait Trump into concluding that Obama didn’t trust Boente, and therefore Trump should trust Boente. If this was the plan all along, it means the person in charge of prosecuting Trump-Russia is precisely whom Obama wanted in charge of it all along – and now it’s realistically too late for Trump to stop it.
Boente was then later appointed to the No. 2 spot at DOJ as acting deputy attorney general and tasked with not only overseeing the Russia probe (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/special-counsel-jeff-sessions-recusal/) after Sessions recused himself, but also had the job of calling Preet Bharara (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/10/politics/us-attorneys-resignation/) -- then US attorney for the Southern District of New York -- to tell him that the President had fired him along with dozens of other top prosecutors around the country.
Now that Rod Rosenstein, former US attorney for the district of Maryland, has been confirmed to the No. 2 spot at DOJ, the ultimate prosecutorial decision-making on Russia will fall to him.
Oh, and Boente knows everything Comey knew and everything Mueller knows.
Obama knew this day would come.
Did Trump reverse an Obama order last month because he knew there would be a Sessions-Russia investigation? (https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/did-trump-reverse-an-obama-order-last-month-because-he-knew-there-would-be-a-sessions-russia-investigation/)
There was also evidence the Obama White House was running around trying to tell people about the Trump-Russia collusion in the days running up to the end of Obama's term to get things in order: Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html)
Maddow broke this down tonight in glaring detail.
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djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 09:29 AM
djohn2oo8 thoughts?
This gets deep, so follow closely.
On February 10, USA Today reported the following (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/10/trump-executive-order-obama-justice-department-succession/97752898/):
Seven days before he left office, President Obama changed the order of succession without explanation to remove Boente from the list. Obama's order had listed U.S. attorneys in the District of Columbia, the Northern District of Illinois and the Central District of California.
1 week before Obama leaves office: Before Obama removes Boente out of the DoJ line of succession. Odd move. Why would he do that? Is he signalling?
REMEMBER, by moving Boente, he saves Boente from being fired when Trump fired all those Attorney Generals.
As soon as Trump comes in, because he's so anti-Obama, he promote Boente back in succession.
Yates gets fired
Boente becomes acting AG
Sessions becomes AG after being sworn in. Boente goes back to National Security AG
Rod Rosenstein becomes #2
Sessions is forced to recuse.
Boente becomes point person on Trump-Russia investigations at DoJ under Rosenstein.
Obama played chess with Trump. Bigly. Huge power play to get someone unfavorable to Trump in the mix.
Obama’s executive order didn’t actually remove Boente from his job or change anything about his position. All it did was state that Boente would be passed over if recusals began. So Obama did’t punish Boente in any real world sense; he merely created the appearance that he had. And it may have been enough to bait Trump into concluding that Obama didn’t trust Boente, and therefore Trump should trust Boente. If this was the plan all along, it means the person in charge of prosecuting Trump-Russia is precisely whom Obama wanted in charge of it all along – and now it’s realistically too late for Trump to stop it.
Boente was then later appointed to the No. 2 spot at DOJ as acting deputy attorney general and tasked with not only overseeing the Russia probe (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/special-counsel-jeff-sessions-recusal/) after Sessions recused himself, but also had the job of calling Preet Bharara (http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/10/politics/us-attorneys-resignation/) -- then US attorney for the Southern District of New York -- to tell him that the President had fired him along with dozens of other top prosecutors around the country.
Now that Rod Rosenstein, former US attorney for the district of Maryland, has been confirmed to the No. 2 spot at DOJ, the ultimate prosecutorial decision-making on Russia will fall to him.
Oh, and Boente knows everything Comey knew and everything Mueller knows.
Obama knew this day would come.
Did Trump reverse an Obama order last month because he knew there would be a Sessions-Russia investigation? (https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/did-trump-reverse-an-obama-order-last-month-because-he-knew-there-would-be-a-sessions-russia-investigation/)
There was also evidence the Obama White House was running around trying to tell people about the Trump-Russia collusion in the days running up to the end of Obama's term to get things in order: Obama Administration Rushed to Preserve Intelligence of Russian Election Hacking (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html)
Maddow broke this down tonight in glaring detail.
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Yup. There were chess moves made that Trump would have never figured out.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 10:47 AM
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10-28-2017, 10:48 AM
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10-28-2017, 10:49 AM
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boutons_deux
10-28-2017, 11:37 AM
blindsided by Mueller filing charges this soon, we expected them but not til Christmas
Happy Halloween, Trash and Repugs! :lol
The terrifying monsters of your own crimes, complicity, psychopathy, sociopathy are screaming "Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Robby"
boutons_deux
10-28-2017, 11:48 AM
The Many Pieces of Evidence Suggesting Trump Obstructed Justice
Firing James Comey wasn't the only thing Trump did that could bring about an obstruction of justice charge
Long before he dismissed the FBI director — and for months thereafter — Trump took numerous actions that could now support an obstruction of justice charge.
Consider:
On Jan. 27, 2017 — a week after the inauguration — acting Attorney General Sally Yates spoke with White House counsel Don McGahn (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4668716/sally-yates-warned-white-house-general-flynn-blackmailed) [7] about national security adviser Michael Flynn. In December, Flynn had been in contact repeatedly with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. In public statements, Vice President Mike Pence and press secretary Sean Spicer had said that Flynn engaged in no discussions about Russian sanctions with Kislyak. But, Yates informed McGahn, that was not consistent with what US intelligence agencies knew to be true.
Someone, presumably Flynn, was lying, and that made him potentially susceptible to blackmail by the Russians, who knew the truth about those conversations.
On the same day that Yates spoke to McGahn, Trump invited FBI Director Comey to a private dinner at the White House.
“I need loyalty (https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf) [8],” Trump told him.
Two weeks later, as advisers were leaving an Oval Office meeting, Trump asked Comey to remain. “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Trump told him on Feb. 14 (https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf) [8].
During testimony before Congress on March 20, Comey acknowledged that the FBI was investigating Trump’s campaign connections to Russia. Afterward, Trump reportedly asked (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-intelligence-official-told-associates-trump-asked-him-if-he-could-intervene-with-comey-to-get-fbi-to-back-off-flynn/2017/06/06/cc879f14-4ace-11e7-9669-250d0b15f83b_story.html) [9] Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, CIA Director Mike Pompeo and Director of National Security Mike Rogers to deny publicly “the existence of any evidence of coordination between his campaign and the Russian government.” Senior White House officials also reportedly “sounded out top intelligence officials about the possibility (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-asked-intelligence-chiefs-to-push-back-against-fbi-collusion-probe-after-comey-revealed-its-existence/2017/05/22/394933bc-3f10-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html) [10] of intervening directly with Comey to encourage the FBI to drop its probe of Michael Flynn.”
On March 30 and again on April 11 (https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf) [8], Trump asked Comey to “lift the cloud” of the Russia investigation.
On April 25, Flynn reportedly received a message (https://www.yahoo.com/news/investigators-circled-flynn-got-message-trump-stay-strong-145442727.html) [11] from Trump to “stay strong.”
On May 2 — the eve of FBI Director James Comey’s scheduled testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee — Trump supplemented his ongoing “Russia hoax” tweets with a more subtle form of obstruction (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/859601184285491201) [12] — witness intimidation:
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
FBI Director Comey was the best thing that ever happened to Hillary Clinton in that he gave her a free pass for many bad deeds! The phony...
9:51 PM - May 2, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/859601184285491201)
(https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=859601184285491201)
After Comey’s Senate appearance, Trump fumed (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html) [14] about his testimony. Over the weekend of May 6-7 at his Bedminster Golf Club, he and aide Stephen Miller drafted a four-page letter directed to Comey, outlining Trump’s reasons for firing him.
On Monday, May 8, Sally Yates was preparing to testify about her January conversations with Don McGahn concerning Mike Flynn, and Trump unleashed another tweet (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/861592420043157504) [15] smacking of witness intimidation:
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
Ask Sally Yates, under oath, if she knows how classified information got into the newspapers soon after she explained it to W.H. Counsel.
9:43 AM - May 8, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/861592420043157504)
(https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=861592420043157504)
Later that morning, Trump read his draft Comey termination letter aloud (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/us/politics/trump-comey-firing-letter.html) [14] to several advisers, including White House counsel Don McGahn and Vice President Mike Pence. Together with Kushner and then-chief of staff Reince Priebus, McGahn and Pence drafted talking points (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-14-17-firing-director-comey/story?id=47391306) [17] about Comey’s planned firing.
Meanwhile, Trump asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein for a memo outlining their problems with Comey. They complied, and Trump cited their recommendations as his reason for firing the FBI director. On May 9, Trump fires Comey.
Trump’s subordinates — including Pence, who went to Capitol Hill (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/pence-insists-comey-firing-not-tied-to-trump-russia-probe) [18] — then took to the airwaves and peddled the lie that Rosenstein had been the impetus for Comey’s termination.
All of that went for naught when Trump confessed, first, on May 10, to Russians in the Oval Office (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html) [19] and then, on May 11, to the world on NBC (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-reveals-he-asked-comey-whether-he-was-under-investigation-n757821) [20], that he made the decision to fire Comey because of “Russia.”
The next day — as The New York Times reported on Trump’s Jan. 27 “loyalty dinner” with Comey — Trump again used Twitter (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473) [21] to intimidate a key witness:
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)Donald J. Trump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)
James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!
7:26 AM - May 12, 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473)
Asked at a May 18 news conference (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/18/politics/trump-special-counsel/) [23] whether he had ever asked Comey to close or back down on the investigation into Mike Flynn, Trump answered, “No. No. Next question.”
On June 8, Comey told the Senate Intelligence Committee (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2017/live-updates/trump-white-house/james-comey-testimony-what-we-learn/comey-i-was-fired-because-of-the-russia-investigation/) [24] that Trump had asked him about Russia repeatedly and that he perceived Trump’s expressed “hope” about “letting Flynn go” as an order. The next day (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/09/us/politics/trump-comey.html) [25], Trump called Comey a liar and accused him of leaking classified information.
After the May 17 appointment of a special counsel to investigate Trump-Russia connections, Trump’s attacks on Robert Mueller were relentless, along with reports that Trump (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-confidant-think-hes-considering-perhaps-terminating-special-counsel/) [26] was considering firing him. In a July 19 interview with The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/politics/trump-interview-transcript.html) [27], Trump referred to what he viewed as the appropriate limits to Mueller’s investigation. A week later, The Wall Street Journal asked (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/01/trump-wall-street-journal-interview-full-transcript-241214) [28] him if Mueller’s job is safe. “No, we’re going to see,” Trump said.
Meanwhile, on July 8, 2017, Trump was helping his son draft a misleading statement (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html) [29]about a June 9, 2016 campaign meeting at Trump Tower between his top advisers and three Russians who had promised to bring “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. The cover-up of that cover-up — that is, obfuscating the extent of Trump’s role in drafting his son’s original statement — lasted less than a month.
Why has
Trump tried to shut down the Russia investigation,
lied about Comey’s firing,
persisted in efforts to intimidate key witnesses,
inserted himself into misleading statements about his campaign advisers’ meetings with Russians offering to help him win the election, and
held the sword of Damocles over the special counsel investigating him?
Behind any effort to obstruct justice is a fear of the truth.
In a thorough 108-page factual and legal analysis for the Brookings Institution, Barry H. Berke, Noah Bookbinder and Norman Eisen outline in great detail (https://www.brookings.edu/research/presidential-obstruction-of-justice-the-case-of-donald-j-trump/) [30] the case against Trump.
People lie for a reason, and Trump is no exception.
What he feared — and apparently still fears — continues to seep out.
Trump erratic behavior has many questioning his mental fitness to remain in office. (http://billmoyers.com/story/dangerous-case-donald-trump-robert-jay-lifton-bill-moyers-duty-warn/) [31]
But throughout his life,
Trump’s actions have always been rational in a key respect:
Trump does what is best for Trump,
regardless of the consequences.
If that means obstructing justice, so be it.
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trump-obstructed-justice
Repugs are indicting themselves as fully complicit in Trash and Trash's mafia by hanging on and defending Trash's shitshow.
The Repugs don't care because their only priority is toxically servicing the oligarchy.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:15 PM
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Gents, it has been a ride.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:19 PM
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:lmao
Spurminator
10-28-2017, 12:24 PM
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The Press Secretary is in full deflection mode.
Pavlov
10-28-2017, 12:48 PM
Don't know who is indicted yet, but Manafort and Flynn gotta be like
http://i.imgur.com/ozqMql5.gif
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:51 PM
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djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:53 PM
Don't know who is indicted yet, but Manafort and Flynn gotta be like
http://i.imgur.com/ozqMql5.gif
Many people are indicted already likely Trump's kids and crew. Just depends who Mueller wants to unsealed first. Gotta be Manafort.
baseline bum
10-28-2017, 12:53 PM
^ :lmao Pavlov
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 12:59 PM
Don't know who is indicted yet, but Manafort and Flynn gotta be like
http://i.imgur.com/ozqMql5.gif
also :lol
boutons_deux
10-28-2017, 01:20 PM
Yup. There were chess moves made that Trump would have never figured out.
... But what about his "best people"? Not so best
boutons_deux
10-28-2017, 01:24 PM
Many people are indicted already likely Trump's kids and crew. Just depends who Mueller wants to unsealed first. Gotta be Manafort.
Mueller will indict whomever he thinkS will spill first, spill the most, making the others easier to convict
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 01:51 PM
924314536215220225
Chris
10-28-2017, 02:49 PM
:cry something :cry anything :cry
monosylab1k
10-28-2017, 02:51 PM
:cry something :cry anything :cry
:lmao i can respect that you’re gonna go down swingin
Chris
10-28-2017, 02:54 PM
:lmao i can respect that you’re gonna go down swingin
Only thing going down is your narrative and credibility. Have a great day :tu
monosylab1k
10-28-2017, 03:03 PM
Only thing going down is your narrative and credibility. Have a great day :tu
“Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.”
-Proverbs 25:26
Wanna bet one who the first arrest is?
My money is on Manafort
Manafort would be the most obvious. You’d need to give some good odds if you want me to put money on the line. Want to bet it has nothing to do with the election?
baseline bum
10-28-2017, 03:14 PM
Wanna bet one who the first arrest is?
My money is on Manafort
Probably Manafort, but it would be hilarious if it was Uday.
baseline bum
10-28-2017, 03:25 PM
Last night at Trump Tower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cxrv9u0J1M
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 03:27 PM
Manafort would be the most obvious. You’d need to give some good odds if you want me to put money on the line. Want to bet it has nothing to do with the election?
Well the indictment is has been reported as a part of the Trump Russia probe...and lol look at TSA. A few Days ago declaring there were no indictments :lmao
baseline bum
10-28-2017, 03:44 PM
What if it's Cuckner? Dear Leader seems to like him more than any of his shitty kids.
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 04:01 PM
What if it's Cuckner? Dear Leader seems to like him more than any of his shitty kids.
It could very well be. This is a DC federal grand jury. Most of Manaforts dealings are in NY. Could be Kushner.
Splits
10-28-2017, 04:13 PM
Manafort would be the most obvious. You’d need to give some good odds if you want me to put money on the line. Want to bet it has nothing to do with the election?
Is this boom?
djohn2oo8
10-28-2017, 04:31 PM
924385715387076609
:lmao Stone
Quadzilla99
10-28-2017, 04:54 PM
What if it's Cuckner? Dear Leader seems to like him more than any of his shitty kids.
Donnie Junior would be spectacular. I would die in a schaudenfraude fury if he ever gets indictd
florige
10-28-2017, 07:45 PM
924314536215220225
It will be so funny if its his retarded son in law.
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 12:26 AM
It will be so funny if its his retarded son in law.
Could be. He's indicted already just not unsealed yet. But there are indictments on many people and have been for months. Comey got alot of them before he was fired.
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 12:40 AM
I guess Darrin gave up.
FlAVaK
10-29-2017, 02:05 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DNQfF3EW4AA_oli.jpg:small
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 02:46 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DNQfF3EW4AA_oli.jpg:small
https://scontent.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/22829165_1970282196330451_2985192508619741148_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=ecad79f89a116dac39fb3c0c006ae1f6&oe=5A7B1B2D
FlAVaK
10-29-2017, 03:04 AM
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djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 04:01 AM
Spurtacular up at 4 am making threads about Hillary :lol
Spurtacular
10-29-2017, 04:14 AM
Spurtacular (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=49615) up at 4 am making threads about Hillary :lol
FAIL. I don't live in Texas, bro.
boutons_deux
10-29-2017, 07:19 AM
Trump Reportedly Wants The State Department To Rush Clinton’s Email Release To Distract From Russia Investigation
CNN’s Gloria Borger said that President Donald Trump has instructed the U.S. State Department to quickly release Hillary Clinton’s emails from the time she served as secretary of state.
A backlog of Freedom of Information Act requests has reportedly slowed the process of releasing the emails to the public.
Three sources told Borger that Trump had a simple message to the State Department: “Get it done.”
http://www.nationalmemo.com/trump-reportedly-wants-state-department-rush-clintons-email-release-distract-russia-investigation/
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 09:13 AM
924625379054174208
monosylab1k
10-29-2017, 09:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59fPX4CAQwk
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 09:25 AM
Damn Trump's meltdown this morning is delicious.
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 09:36 AM
924329037559934976
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 09:46 AM
924648059392462848
:lmao
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 09:48 AM
924617411990577153
:lmao
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 09:53 AM
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Pavlov
10-29-2017, 09:58 AM
Man, for completely innocent patriots tbey act guilty as hell.
florige
10-29-2017, 10:12 AM
Damn Trump's meltdown this morning is delicious.
I really don't get why he continues to harp on Clinton. I understand deflection, but all it does is make him look guilty.
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 10:24 AM
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924648103143202816
:lol
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 11:04 AM
924665466479611905
:lmao
florige
10-29-2017, 11:21 AM
924665466479611905
:lmao
I almost feel bad for this moron.
boutons_deux
10-29-2017, 11:26 AM
I almost feel bad for this moron.
He's a pathetic, mentally ill LOSER, acting pathetically, a shit stain on America (one of many), but esp on Repugs who couldn't beat him while actually espousing his policies for the last 50 years.
Thanks, Repug base!
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 11:29 AM
Looks like Trump just may Sunday night massacre himself.
boutons_deux
10-29-2017, 11:32 AM
Looks like Trump just may Sunday night massacre himself.
I sincerely hope he does, so the Repugs will finally impeach AND convict him. It could be all over very quickly.
Then Christian Supremacist/misogynist Pence could let the Repugs continue their total, ongoing fucking up of America and the planet without distraction.
Trill Clinton
10-29-2017, 11:41 AM
http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/laff.gif
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Trill Clinton
10-29-2017, 11:48 AM
somebody do something!!!! http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/damn.png
boutons_deux
10-29-2017, 11:54 AM
http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/laff.gif
924649856236482560
Holy Shit, Internet is brutal :lmao
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 01:13 PM
CROFL Comey trolling the shit out of Trump
Splits
10-29-2017, 01:38 PM
somebody do something!!!! http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/damn.png
lol
Splits
10-29-2017, 01:39 PM
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2cVM_gnhnt8/WfXNBIZHVEI/AAAAAAAAEQA/7z3YG90P1qAgOVeGGizbLcgV9K2dIxLkACLcBGAs/s400/Monday%2BMonday.jpg
baseline bum
10-29-2017, 01:44 PM
CROFL Comey trolling the shit out of Trump
Explain
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 01:49 PM
Explain
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Indictment eve and he posts that? :lol
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 01:51 PM
And yes that is his account. It was outed while he was at the FBI.
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baseline bum
10-29-2017, 01:51 PM
924693064479920130
Indictment eve and he posts that? :lol
:lmao
Lordy I hope there are tapes
FlAVaK
10-29-2017, 01:56 PM
^^ great, great come(y)dy, tbh.
FlAVaK
10-29-2017, 02:06 PM
His first tweet 847590025223188480
hitmanyr2k
10-29-2017, 02:25 PM
This is some inspired work :lol
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djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 02:30 PM
This is some inspired work :lol
924644065534271489
OMG :lmao
monosylab1k
10-29-2017, 02:32 PM
This is some inspired work :lol
924644065534271489
:lmao
baseline bum
10-29-2017, 03:03 PM
This is some inspired work :lol
924644065534271489
:lmao
boutons_deux
10-29-2017, 03:07 PM
People Are Amazing. Great video, I'd like to know how many hours of editing are in there.
Quadzilla99
10-29-2017, 05:39 PM
924693064479920130
Indictment eve and he posts that? :lol
What does this even mean? Can someone dumb it down for me? lol
Spurminator
10-29-2017, 06:27 PM
Basically.
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djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 06:45 PM
What does this even mean? Can someone dumb it down for me? lol
Basically, Trump cannot escape this.
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 06:49 PM
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Textbook reality TV just for Trump. The Friday cliffhanger! Monday Night Raw! You and me brother, you and me!
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 07:05 PM
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Imagine trying to get some sleep tonight
Manafort and Podesta will be charged with crimes committed years ago.
florige
10-29-2017, 07:11 PM
This is some inspired work :lol
924644065534271489
wow! lol :lmao
florige
10-29-2017, 07:13 PM
924778045277462528
924778517249843201
Imagine trying to get some sleep tonight
Trump will probably overload Twitter bandwidth tonight.
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 07:15 PM
Manafort and Podesta will be charged with crimes committed years ago.
You said there would be no indictments period....what happened?
You said there would be no indictments period....what happened?
No indictments regarding the election and Russia. Manafort/Podesta crimes from years ago will prove this has always and will always be a witch hunt.
Quadzilla99
10-29-2017, 07:36 PM
No indictments regarding the election and Russia. Manafort/Podesta crimes from years ago will prove this has always and will always be a witch hunt.
So it's like a less retarded version of pizzagate?
Quadzilla99
10-29-2017, 07:36 PM
Basically it's pizzagate cept only with the right number of chromosomes
Spurminator
10-29-2017, 07:46 PM
Basically it's pizzagate cept only with the right number of chromosomes
I mean, #SpiritCooking was a *literal* witch hunt.
No indictments regarding the election and Russia. Manafort/Podesta crimes from years ago will prove this has always and will always be a witch hunt.
Which crimes?
Pavlov
10-29-2017, 08:10 PM
:lol "will prove"
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 08:11 PM
7 months, 386 pages, 0 indictments
It's over
:lmao
Doesn't look like 0 indictments anymore does it?
Pavlov
10-29-2017, 08:12 PM
:lol 7 months
baseline bum
10-29-2017, 08:58 PM
924778045277462528
924778517249843201
Imagine trying to get some sleep tonight
I think you're really overselling this djohn. I bet it's just Manafort tomorrow. Gotta flip that faggot to get to the Dear Leader.
Doesn't look like 0 indictments anymore does it?
Repeat. 0 regarding the election.
Which crimes?
FARA violations. Maybe some campaign finance sprinkled in. Nothing major.
Pavlov
10-29-2017, 09:53 PM
FARA violations. Maybe some campaign finance sprinkled in. Nothing major.Who got the Republican party to change its platform regarding the Ukraine during the convention?
FARA violations. Maybe some campaign finance sprinkled in. Nothing major.
I’m not following. Flynn seems like the prime FARA violator, but I wouldn’t consider 2016 years ago?
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 10:35 PM
I think you're really overselling this djohn. I bet it's just Manafort tomorrow. Gotta flip that faggot to get to the Dear Leader.
They don't need Manafort. They got Flynn. And even if they didn't have Flynn they have the rest of them on tape. Thanks to NSA, and our allies. It may just be Manafort tomorrow. Or nobody at all. When Mueller moves it won't just be one. Mueller hasn't tipped anyones lawyers off yet which says it's not just one, and there are flight risks.
djohn2oo8
10-29-2017, 10:36 PM
Repeat. 0 regarding the election.
Nope you said 0 indictments Period.
boutons_deux
10-29-2017, 10:49 PM
TrashˋS pathetic distracting screams guilty and coverup
boutons_deux
10-30-2017, 12:50 AM
Kushner family, like Trash's family, slum landlords
Kushner family business under investigation by Maryland AG for jailing tenants to collect debts
The Hill said on Sunday night (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/357740-maryland-ag-investigating-kushner-business-over-apartments) that Frosh is investigating Westminster — which operates 17 properties across the state of Maryland — for shady debt collection practices and “poor upkeep” inside the properties.
According to an exposé in The Baltimore Sun, (https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/investigations/bs-md-kushner-arrests-20170812-story.html) Westminster used aggressive and potentially illegal practices to extract money from tenants, including civil arrests.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/kushner-family-business-under-investigation-by-maryland-ag-for-jailing-tenants-to-collect-debts/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
dabom
10-30-2017, 01:15 AM
Someone should make a poll on who gets indicted. :lol
baseline bum
10-30-2017, 07:00 AM
It's Manafort. He is supposedly turning himself in today.
baseline bum
10-30-2017, 07:01 AM
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boutons_deux
10-30-2017, 07:09 AM
How the Russia Investigation Entangled a Manafort Protégé
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/us/politics/rick-gates-russia.html
benefactor
10-30-2017, 07:17 AM
https://68.media.tumblr.com/bafe7e309db54a932de909d2a9dcd56b/tumblr_inline_oamjpweNpC1suc69b_500.gif
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 07:17 AM
https://i.imgur.com/0hQyd5L.gif
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 07:28 AM
924974775218434048
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 07:30 AM
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djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 07:41 AM
924970665224146944
Trill Clinton
10-30-2017, 08:27 AM
http://i68.tinypic.com/2dke9p0.jpg
DarrinS
10-30-2017, 08:57 AM
I can’t find anything about the election in this
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000
DarrinS
10-30-2017, 09:03 AM
924973563194392576
Pretty anticlimactic, tbh. Not nearly as satisfying as the meme. :lol
I can’t find anything about the election in this
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000
:rollin
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 09:21 AM
924987338148761601
Conspiracy against the United STATES lawd have mercy!!!
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 09:22 AM
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djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 09:23 AM
925004239352479745
lol faggot ass TSA and Darrin
florige
10-30-2017, 09:29 AM
But but, the Uranium.....
boutons_deux
10-30-2017, 09:34 AM
Lock Her Up! :lol
DarrinS
10-30-2017, 09:37 AM
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lol faggot ass TSA and Darrin
Who TF is that?
924987338148761601
Conspiracy against the United STATES lawd have mercy!!!
You should start a separate thread for these charges. None of these charges have anything to do with the election and colluding with Russia.
hitmanyr2k
10-30-2017, 09:49 AM
924974746084577281
boutons_deux
10-30-2017, 09:50 AM
‘Just $1 to help us’: Eric Trump email after Manafort indictment asks for cash because dad’s ‘still standing
?https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/just-1-to-help-us-eric-trump-email-after-manafort-indictment-asks-for-cash-because-dads-still-standing/
boutons_deux
10-30-2017, 09:52 AM
Here’s why Trump’s ‘everyone in DC is a criminal’ response to Russia allegations should worry Republicans
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/heres-why-trumps-everyone-in-dc-is-a-criminal-response-to-russia-allegations-should-worry-republicans/
:lol yes I Trash am a criminal, but all of DC is criminal :
RD2191
10-30-2017, 10:03 AM
Trump supporters:lol Murica this Murica that. Faggots putting a traitor in the white house :lol
RD2191
10-30-2017, 10:11 AM
http://i68.tinypic.com/2dke9p0.jpg
:lol
monosylab1k
10-30-2017, 10:15 AM
I can’t find anything about the election in this
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000
Who TF is that?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/2d/7b/7e2d7b40aac2ff3ac54afc9a7689ff56---stages-of-grief-grief-counseling.jpg
Looks like you’re on the second one.
pgardn
10-30-2017, 10:17 AM
That was really quick.
And unrelated to the election.
Way to go Donald. Fire one Special Prosecutor, give the next wide ranging capabilities.
This one must have been a slam dunk.
ducks
10-30-2017, 10:19 AM
I can’t find anything about the election in this
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015f-6d73-d751-af7f-7f735cc70000
ducks
10-30-2017, 10:20 AM
Trump supporters:lol Murica this Murica that. Faggots putting a traitor in the white house :lol
Clinton is a traitor!
monosylab1k
10-30-2017, 10:24 AM
so you think I should pee infront of your 13 year old daughter?
spurraider21
10-30-2017, 10:25 AM
Clinton is a traitor!
*ding*
Trill Clinton
10-30-2017, 10:30 AM
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http://i65.tinypic.com/15ezgjb.jpg
DarrinS
10-30-2017, 10:33 AM
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7e/2d/7b/7e2d7b40aac2ff3ac54afc9a7689ff56---stages-of-grief-grief-counseling.jpg
Looks like you’re on the second one.
791263939015376902
:lmao
Trill Clinton
10-30-2017, 10:37 AM
can someone explain the conspiracy against the US charge?
monosylab1k
10-30-2017, 10:38 AM
925017396045336576
http://i65.tinypic.com/15ezgjb.jpg
https://i.imgflip.com/1cegiz.jpg
monosylab1k
10-30-2017, 10:39 AM
791263939015376902
:lmao
Good to see you’ve moved on to the next stage.
Also, *ding*
pgardn
10-30-2017, 10:39 AM
925017396045336576
http://i65.tinypic.com/15ezgjb.jpg
There is no doubt Russia toyed our elections and more importantly, stuck it in our face.
The more important issue is the Trump WH ignoring this, not colluding with the Russians to mess with the election.
The collusion is looking very dead.
Trill Clinton
10-30-2017, 10:42 AM
There is no doubt Russia toyed our elections and more importantly, stuck it in our face.
The more important issue is the Trump WH ignoring this, not colluding with the Russians to mess with the election.
The collusion is looking very dead.
idk fam. we got some pretty juicy stuff on day 1. i think we have a lot more fuccery coming soon.the future looks bright for the USAhttp://i65.tinypic.com/15ezgjb.jpg
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pgardn
10-30-2017, 10:46 AM
idk fam. we got some pretty juicy stuff on day 1. i think we have a lot more fuccery coming soon.the future looks bright for the USAhttp://i65.tinypic.com/15ezgjb.jpg
925021400355794949
Big, big jump.
Meetings to collusion.
We will see.
My boy djohn kept this thread real while I was gone. My nigga.
:lol Trump crew
Splits
10-30-2017, 10:56 AM
“Walid Phares, who you probably know, PhD, adviser to the House of Representatives caucus, and counter-terrorism expert; Carter Page, PhD; George Papadopoulos, he’s an energy and oil consultant, excellent guy; the Honorable Joe Schmitz, [former] inspector general at the Department of Defense; [retired] Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg; and I have quite a few more. But that’s a group of some of the people that we are dealing with. We have many other people in different aspects of what we do, but that’s a representative group.”
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 11:16 AM
You should start a separate thread for these charges. None of these charges have anything to do with the election and colluding with Russia.
Because, as we all know, money laundering for someone means that you can't be blackmailed by them later, and don't retain any contacts from that after it is over.
:rolleyes
First it was "there weren't any real meetings about collusion", then Trump Jr.'s dumb ass meeting comes out, then it was "they are really investigating Hillary, where are the charges..."
meh. It is good to have someone who really thinks nothing happened here.
How much evidence do you need?
What would change your mind?
924987338148761601
Conspiracy against the United STATES lawd have mercy!!!
It’s conspiracy to commit FARA violations and not something more salacious like treason.
Pavlov
10-30-2017, 11:35 AM
Enormous low hanging fruit. We've already seen a lot of the evidence against Manafort.
Because, as we all know, money laundering for someone means that you can't be blackmailed by them later, and don't retain any contacts from that after it is over.
:rolleyes
First it was "there weren't any real meetings about collusion", then Trump Jr.'s dumb ass meeting comes out, then it was "they are really investigating Hillary, where are the charges..."
meh. It is good to have someone who really thinks nothing happened here.
How much evidence do you need?
What would change your mind?
Do any of the charges against Manafort have anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election yes or no?
lefty
10-30-2017, 11:42 AM
Big, big jump.
Meetings to collusion.
We will see.
WE WILL SEE
Spurminator
10-30-2017, 11:44 AM
Did Papadopoulos Flip, And What Would That Mean For Trump?
The language of the charge against Papadopoulos makes it clear that he is cooperating with the Mueller investigation. That’s not a surefire sign he has “flipped” — giving information to investigators doesn’t, for example, mean he will testify against others — but it could still be bad for Trump.
Some indications that Papadopoulos is cooperating: He pled guilty to one charge of lying to the FBI, which he would be unlikely to do without some kind of incentive from Mueller. He is also only pleading guilty to one crime (with a five-year maximum sentence), which suggests that he may have bargained over what he was charged with — something that’s typical in cases of cooperation.
There are also some small details in the charge that come into brighter focus in the context of other reporting on Papadopoulos. One breadcrumb stands out:
In May 2016, Papadopoulos emailed a “high-ranking campaign official” (Manafort) writing: “Russia has been eager to meet Mr. Trump for quite sometime and has been reaching out to me to discuss.” In a footnote, the government added that the campaign official forwarded the email to another official (Rick Gates, without cc’ing Papadopoulos) and added, “Let[‘]s discuss. We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips. It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.”
It’s not clear what “someone low level” was meant to do. It could simply be that the person was being delegated to give Papadopoulos the brush-off. But the fact that the other two people on the email thread were also indicted today — and that Papadopoulos is now in a position to explain the context of all of the exchanges cited in the charge to Mueller’s team — isn’t good news for Trump or the people in his orbit.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/manafort-indictment-trump-russia/?lpup=16089277#livepress-update-16089277
Pavlov
10-30-2017, 11:58 AM
You should start a separate thread for these charges. None of these charges have anything to do with the election and colluding with Russia.
:lol forum cop
Because, as we all know, money laundering for someone means that you can't be blackmailed by them later, and don't retain any contacts from that after it is over.
:rolleyes
First it was "there weren't any real meetings about collusion", then Trump Jr.'s dumb ass meeting comes out, then it was "they are really investigating Hillary, where are the charges..."
meh. It is good to have someone who really thinks nothing happened here.
How much evidence do you need?
What would change your mind?
I don't believe nothing happened. On the contrary, I think a lot happened. I think a shit ton of collusion and money laundering has been going on for decades. Once they open that can though, they have to do damage control because those involved probably include those sitting in judgment in this case. They have to find something to close the story of the investigation without looking like a cover up, but it's going to be a cover up. Manafort and Gates, the modern day Gordon Liddy and deep throat. Two patsies. Nixon was pardoned, stepped down on his own accord. The uber powerful never fall hard. There are too many lesser types to do that for them.
:lol forum cop
Do any of the charges against Manafort have anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election yes or no?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/manafort-indictment-trump-russia/?lpup=16089277#livepress-update-16089277
This sounds more promising than Manafort/Gates.
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 12:18 PM
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Pavlov
10-30-2017, 12:20 PM
Do any of the charges against Manafort have anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election yes or no?TSA wants answers!
Will never answer a question himself!
Manafort was the campaign manager and was in on your remember remember won't someone think of the children adoption meeting. This indictment was lightning fast as far as these investigations go. I'm going to assume there is a great possibility of additional charges that could be piled on depending on whether Pauly Walnuts wants to do a deal.
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 12:21 PM
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Lordy i hope there are tapes
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 12:27 PM
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djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 12:37 PM
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Feels good my niggas
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 12:46 PM
Yup. There were chess moves made that Trump would have never figured out.
"chess moves" :lol There are tic tac toe moves that confuse Trump.
djohn2oo8
10-30-2017, 12:47 PM
"chess moves" :lol There are tic tac toe moves that confuse Trump.
:lol
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 12:53 PM
I predict twelve presidential tweets about Hillary tomorrow morning.
About as safe as predicting the sun rising.
Sarah the cow saying Papadopoulos was just a volunteer. :lol
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 01:01 PM
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RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 01:04 PM
Do any of the charges against Manafort have anything to do with colluding with Russia during the election yes or no?
Yes. Popadopolis' charges deal with collusion and lying about it, from what I have read.
Do these charges give leverage to prosecutors for charges that deal with colluding with Russian during the election, yes or no?
boutons_deux
10-30-2017, 01:17 PM
None of these charges have anything to do with the election and colluding with Russia.
:lol Manafort was/is Poootin BFF for his pro-Russia work in Ukraine, was paid by Pootin $10MS,
the George guy was trying to set up meetings with Pootin'S people and Trash.
George worked for ... Sessions! :lol
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 01:25 PM
ot long after Manafort and Gates were in federal custody, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team dropped another bombshell: They’d flipped a former Trump campaign adviser months ago.
The charges against Trump’s former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos ― a little-known, little-qualified 30-year-old who listed his involvement in Model United Nations as one of his credentials ― may end up being a much bigger part of the Russia investigation. The Papadopoulos charges, dated Oct. 5 but only unsealed on Monday, deal directly with his work during the election and his attempt to link up the Russian government with the Trump campaign. His statements also make clear that he was acting with the involvement of higher-ranking officials in Trump’s orbit.
The charges against Papadopoulos became public less than six months after Mueller, a former FBI director, was chosen by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to head up the Russia probe. But Papadopoulos was first arrested on July 27, when he landed at Washington Dulles International Airport on a flight from Germany. And he’s been cooperating ever since.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/george-papadopoulos-big-deal_us_59f72de7e4b077d8dfcb085b?ncid=inblnkushpmg 00000009
Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 01:26 PM
In one email, a “high-ranking campaign official” forwarded Papadopoulos’ email to another campaign official and noted the need to “communicate that [Trump] is not doing these trips” and that they should send “someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal.”
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 01:27 PM
“He’s an energy consultant,” Trump told The Washington Post of Papadopoulos in 2016. “Excellent guy.”
Trill Clinton
10-30-2017, 01:33 PM
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somebody do something!!!!http://i66.tinypic.com/1zxuykn.jpg
clambake
10-30-2017, 01:37 PM
make them flip.
clambake
10-30-2017, 01:42 PM
how many years would you do for trump?
RandomGuy
10-30-2017, 01:45 PM
make them flip.
That is what the legal team Mueller has assembled is good at. Seems to be obvious what the ultimate target is. Unless you are the sanity annex.
clambake
10-30-2017, 01:53 PM
how many years would you do for trump?
somebody tackle this.
think, trump ends up shitting on everyone except his family. how many years would someone do for trump?
clambake
10-30-2017, 02:02 PM
gotta be some dems in this somewhere.
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