Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[djohn2oo8]

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Remember, CIA declared Wikileaks a hostile intelligence service

here is Jr asking about leaks

then Wikileaks asks them to post the link to the emails

[djohn2oo8]

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And bam. Same link from the DM

[TSA]

I feel sorry for you djohn. So much of your life dedicated to this over the last two years and now it’s all slipping away.

[djohn2oo8]

Also can’t forget Jr meeting with the Russians for dirt. Then claiming adoptions.

[djohn2oo8]

I feel sorry for you djohn. So much of your life dedicated to this over the last two years and now it’s all slipping away.
Why was jr communicating with a hostile intelligence service?

[TSA]

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:lol CNN

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:lol djohn

[Blake]

This will be forgotten in 24 hours when the next shitstorm hits.

I'm laughing because this thread is here a year and a half later

[djohn2oo8]

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:lol djohn
Why was jr corresponding with a hostile intelligence service and not reporting it to the FBI?

[monosylab1k]

I'm laughing because this thread is here a year and a half later

:lol my man djohn’s been puttin in work and keeping hope alive.

[djohn2oo8]

TSA ran.

[Blake]

:lol my man djohn’s been puttin in work and keeping hope alive.

Lol

[Reck]

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The "we just LEARNED NEW INFORMATION, but won't share what" shtick that goes nowhere because it's just a lie to feed their base claim.

Dont you get tired of that, dude? It's gotten Nunes and Jordan so far. :lol

[TSA]

The "we just LEARNED NEW INFORMATION, but won't share what" shtick that goes nowhere because it's just a lie to feed their base claim.

Dont you get tired of that, dude? It's gotten Nunes and Jordan so far. :lol

He just learned new information and shares what it is immediately after you stupid fuck.

[djohn2oo8]

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:lmao

[AaronY]

Such is life in Spurstalk

[AaronY]

I'm laughing because this thread is here a year and a half later
Less bombs were dropped in Dresden tbh

[Reck]

He just learned new information and shares what it is immediately after you stupid fuck.

It's a claim. Not a fact.

Where are the documents that point to the claim as fact?

:lol TSA not knowing a claim from a fact.

No wonder you're known as the in-house conspiratard resident.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol TSA looking on the verge of a breakdown

[TSA]

It's a claim. Not a fact.

Where are the documents that point to the claim as fact?

:lol TSA not knowing a claim from a fact.

No wonder you're known as the in-house conspiratard resident.

The FBI agent testified to that fact you fucking idiot. It’s truly unbelievable how stupid you are Reck.

[TSA]

Lol TSA looking on the verge of a breakdown

projecting per par

[djohn2oo8]

FBI good again

[TSA]

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oops

[Reck]

The FBI agent testified to that fact you fucking idiot. It’s truly unbelievable how stupid you are Reck.

Link me to that nugget.

[djohn2oo8]

projecting per par
All of the Uranium one must have gotten to you

[TSA]

Link me to that nugget.

Too stupid to realize you already quoted it smh :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Too stupid to realize you already quoted it smh :lol
Where are the documents

[Pavlov]

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oops
Whenever they go on Hannity it's a verified nothing burger.

[TSA]

Whenever they go on Hannity it's a verified nothing burger.

Do top DOJ officials get demoted twice for nothingburgers?

[Pavlov]

Do top DOJ officials get demoted twice for nothingburgers?What was the demotion for, TSA?

[Reck]

Too stupid to realize you already quoted it smh :lol

:lol thinking I read or take Chuck Ross tweets seriously. I scrolled right past them but I entertained that tweet for the purpose of clarity and lo and behold, there was no link to the actual claim that said former FBI said what he said.

And the kicker, it was a partisan hack job that took place behind closed doors and not even under oath.

End results are in:


The source told Fox News that Moffa did not specifically confirm the practice of using leaked information to bolster warrant applications was employed with regard to the dossier. But, when pressed by the committees on whether this was common practice at the FBI, Moffa acknowledged the FBI had at least engaged in this activity in other cases. A government official, however, pushed back, saying that the account is incorrect and that Maffa did not testify to this.



:lol Me having to actually do your research work
:lol Owned by Fox news
:lol Not under oath
:lol Anonymous sources good now
:lol Moffa himself didn't specifically confirmed what your and Maddow's claim is
:lol Didn't even testify to the wild claim

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/28/fbi-agent-says-bureau-leaked-stories-then-used-them-to-get-fisa-warrants.html

:lol Left holding the bag again.

[TSA]

What was the demotion for, TSA?

Dodge #1.

[djohn2oo8]

Dodge #1.
You dodged.

[Blake]

Dodge #1.

Fuck dude, he's asking you to clarify your question.

[djohn2oo8]

What was the demotion for, TSA?
He has to ask Chuck Ross

[TSA]

:lol thinking I read or take Chuck Ross tweets seriously. I scrolled right past them but I entertained that tweet for the purpose of clarity and lo and behold, there was no link to the actual claim that said former FBI said what he said.

And the kicker, it was a partisan hack job that took place behind closed doors and not even under oath.

End results are in:



:lol Me having to actually do your research work
:lol Owned by Fox news
:lol Not under oath
:lol Anonymous sources good now
:lol Moffa himself didn't specifically confirmed what your and Maddow's claim is
:lol Didn't even testify to the wild claim

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/28/fbi-agent-says-bureau-leaked-stories-then-used-them-to-get-fisa-warrants.html

:lol Left holding the bag again.

From your own article

“But House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, R-N.C., told Fox News on Tuesday that the committee had evidence of the FBI’s practice that would be “hard to refute.”

“We know that some people at the Department of Justice and the FBI actually gave information to the media, then the stories were reported. Then they used those reports to justify further investigations,” Meadows said on “America’s Newsroom” Tuesday. “You know, that’s like saying, we’re going to incriminate on one hand, and be the jury on the other. It just doesn’t work that way.”

:lol Reck

[Reck]

Fuck dude, he's asking you to clarify your question.


I'm too stupid to realize what a question looks like

[TSA]

Fuck dude, he's asking you to clarify your question.

No. He’s knows the answer. He’s just stalling and trying to take it to the weeds.

[Pavlov]

Dodge #1.
yes. it was a nothingburger.

[Reck]

From your own article

“But House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, R-N.C., told Fox News on Tuesday that the committee had evidence of the FBI’s practice that would be “hard to refute.”

“We know that some people at the Department of Justice and the FBI actually gave information to the media, then the stories were reported. Then they used those reports to justify further investigations,” Meadows said on “America’s Newsroom” Tuesday. “You know, that’s like saying, we’re going to incriminate on one hand, and be the jury on the other. It just doesn’t work that way.”

:lol Reck

And yet I go to my first post about them saying "we just learned new information" but won't show you specifics or even outline the facts in writing.

You still dont know what an unsubstantiated claim is vs what a fact is.

I mean, the FBI guy in question himself didn't confirmed what Meadow is propping up. It's all in the quotes. :lol Grasping for wins that never come.

[Pavlov]

From your own article

“But House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows, R-N.C., told Fox News on Tuesday that the committee had evidence of the FBI’s practice that would be “hard to refute.”

“We know that some people at the Department of Justice and the FBI actually gave information to the media, then the stories were reported. Then they used those reports to justify further investigations,” Meadows said on “America’s Newsroom” Tuesday. “You know, that’s like saying, we’re going to incriminate on one hand, and be the jury on the other. It just doesn’t work that way.”

:lol Recklol won't be about the dossier

[Spurminator]

Whenever they go on Hannity it's a verified nothing burger.

This is sure to be a big BOOM for the objective skeptics watching Sean Hannity. You can typically expect to see a massive public opinion shift after Hannity breaks a story.

[TSA]

Watching the muh Russia crew scramble to make sense of their crumbling narrative is going to provide months of entertainment :rollin

[Pavlov]

Watching the muh Russia crew scramble to make sense of their crumbling narrative is going to provide months of entertainment :rollinJust like #pizzagate fell apart for you?

Silsby?

Uranium One?

[djohn2oo8]

Just like #pizzagate fell apart for you?

Silsby?

Uranium One?

Seth Rich as Guccifer

Susan Rice indictment

[Pavlov]

Seth Rich as Guccifer

Susan Rice indictmentYep.

Will it be that bad, TSA?

[Spurminator]

Watching the muh Russia crew scramble to make sense of their crumbling narrative is going to provide months of entertainment :rollin

You've said this before. Then you carefully cultivate your news bubble so you feel validated, conveniently forgetting each of your prior predictions and theories, while the rest of the world moves forward with reality.

Whatever gets you off. It's well past the point of pathetic, though.

[TSA]

Just like #pizzagate fell apart for you?

Silsby?

Uranium One?

:lol poor Pavlov forced to go straight to whataboutism :lol

[Reck]

Seth Rich as Guccifer

Susan Rice indictment

TSA has been shit on so much on this board throughout the years that he thinks the golden glow on his skin is gold.

[Pavlov]

:lol poor Pavlov forced to go straight to whataboutism :lolThat's what you did since this thread started :lmao

My theory stands unchanged.

How many of your theories have come and gone in the past year and a half, TSA?

Serious question.

[TSA]

That's what you did since this thread started :lmao

My theory stands unchanged.

How many of your theories have come and gone in the past year and a half, TSA?

Serious question.

I don’t keep notes on what theories I throw out Pav.

You pushed muh Russia and are now trying to distance yourself as fast as you can. It’s understandable but a chickenshit move. djohn is at least going down with the sinking ship with pride.

[Pavlov]

I don’t keep notes on what theories I throw out Pav.

You pushed muh Russia and are now trying to distance yourself as fast as you can. It’s understandable but a chickenshit move. djohn is at least going down with the sinking ship with pride.My theory remains as it always has from the start.

You got amnesia about all your failed theories. So many....

You're ashamed.

lol

[djohn2oo8]

I don’t keep notes on what theories I throw out Pav.

You pushed muh Russia and are now trying to distance yourself as fast as you can. It’s understandable but a chickenshit move. djohn is at least going down with the sinking ship with pride.
The only sinking ship around here is Trumps presidency and I surely hope you are around when we all make fun of you at the end if it

[Spurminator]

I don’t keep notes on what theories I throw out Pav.

You say this like it's something to be proud of. All it means is you have no conviction and you're content to push out whatever bullshit the liars you idolize tell you to push out, without caring if they're true or not.

[TSA]

You say this like it's something to be proud of. All it means is you have no conviction and you're content to push out whatever bullshit the liars you idolize tell you to push out, without caring if they're true or not.

coming from someone who’s pushed the muh Russia for two years :lol

[Pavlov]

TSA's only defense for his shitty record is he hasn't kept track of how shitty his record is. :rollin

[TSA]

:lol muh Russia crew coping mechanisms

[TSA]

:lol muh Russia crew pretending this thread never happened

[Pavlov]

Of course this thread happened.

Flynn is still cooperating.

lol TSA projecting hard -- conveniently forgot all his previous theories that went to shit.

[spurraider21]

:lol muh Russia crew pretending this thread never happened
Flynn plead guilty to a felony

:lol muh judge sullivan
:lol muh exculpatory evidence
:lol muh plea withdrawal

[TSA]

Of course this thread happened.

Flynn is still cooperating.

lol TSA projecting hard -- conveniently forgot all his previous theories that went to shit.

Here’s a prediction. When the Trump/Russia narrative is fully exposed for the farce it was you’ll be so embarrassed you pushed it that you’ll quit the Pavlov account and switch to another alt.

[TSA]

Flynn plead guilty to a felony

:lol muh judge sullivan
:lol muh exculpatory evidence
:lol muh plea withdrawal

:lol muh Logan act

[Pavlov]

Here’s a prediction. When the Trump/Russia narrative is fully exposed for the farce it was you’ll be so embarrassed you pushed it that you’ll quit the Pavlov account and switch to another alt.:lol I've said all along when the Russia investigation is over I'm going back to my original account, dumbass.

You've already claimed amnesia for all your failures. How is that any better, TSA?

Explain.

[spurraider21]

:lol muh Logan act
he plead guilty to a felony

[Reck]

:lol muh Russia crew coping mechanisms

You know it's really bad for you when you have to dig deep and use derp's and fabb's shitty comebacks.

:cry coping mechanism
:cry mah crew

[Spurminator]

coming from someone who’s pushed the muh Russia for two years :lol

How have I pushed "muh Russia," Pizzaboy?

[djohn2oo8]

He’s barely recognizable. Boy turned into Spurtacular

[TSA]

How have I pushed "muh Russia," Pizzaboy?

:lol please

[TSA]

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[Spurminator]

:lol please

That's a dodge. But I don't expect you to answer.

I keep up with my theories, when I care enough to have them. I don't follow the fringe conspiracy wind wherever it blows like you do.

[TSA]

That's a dodge. But I don't expect you to answer.

I keep up with my theories, when I care enough to have them. I don't follow the fringe conspiracy wind wherever it blows like you do.

Oh you were actually being serious? Lol

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=148740

[Spurminator]

double

[Spurminator]

Oh you were actually being serious? Lol

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=148740

https://i.imgur.com/KcBiEhG.png?1

Is this supposed to help?

Maybe just link a specific post.

[Pavlov]

Oh you were actually being serious? Lol

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=148740

Yeah, that doesn't work.

[Chris]

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[Blake]

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Lol "breaking"

Poor Chris

[TSA]

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In a 20-month search for evidence of collusion between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia, none that is compelling has emerged.

Former FBI director James Comey told Congress he found none. The U.S. intelligence community has given a similar assessment, though it did prove convincingly that Moscow meddled in the 2016 election through cyber warfare. And, so far, special counsel Robert Mueller has not offered any collusion evidence, though his work continues.

But, for the first time, I can say there is evidence of collusion between Russians and Americans - specifically, the sort that is at the heart of counterintelligence work.

Before we review that evidence, let's define collusion. The Collins Dictionary says its original British meaning was "secret or illegal cooperation, especially between countries or organizations." Using that definition, collusion can be secret but good, if the outcome is well intended. Or, it can be bad, if it is meant to defraud, deceive or create illegality.

Now for the evidence, as presented to me by several sources, American and foreign:

In September 2015, senior Department of Justice (DOJ) official Bruce Ohr and some FBI agents met in New York with Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, to seek the Russian billionaire's help on organized crime investigations. The meeting was facilitated - though not attended - by British intelligence operative Christopher Steele.

In 2012, Steele's private firm, Orbis Business Intelligence, was hired as a subcontractor by a law firm working for Deripaska, who then headed Russia's largest aluminum company. Steele's firm was asked to do research to help the law firm defend a lawsuit filed against Deripaska by a business rival.

By 2015, Steele's work had left him friendly with one of Deripaska's lawyers, according to my sources. And when Ohr, then the associate deputy attorney general and a longtime acquaintance of Steele, sought help getting to meet Deripaska, Steele obliged.

Deripaska, who frequently has appeared alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin at high-profile meetings, never really dealt with Steele but he followed his lawyer's recommendations and met with Ohr, my sources say.

By that time, Deripaska already had proven himself helpful to the FBI. As I've written previously, based on numerous U.S. sources, he cooperated with the bureau from 2009 to 2011 and spent more than $25 million of his own money on an FBI-supervised operation to try to rescue retired FBI agent Robert Levinson, who was captured in Iran while working as a CIA contractor.

U.S. officials and Levinson's family told me that Deripaska's efforts came close to securing Levinson's freedom before the State Department scuttled a deal. The former agent never has been heard from again.

The 2015 meeting between Ohr, the FBI and Deripaska is captured cryptically in some of Ohr's handwritten notes, recently turned over to Congress.

People familiar with the meeting said U.S. officials posed some investigative theories about suspected Russian organized crime and cyber espionage activity, theories that Deripaska indicated he did not believe were accurate.

The sources stressed that the 2015 meeting had nothing to do with any allegation about Russian meddling in the upcoming 2016 election but, rather, was an "outreach" about other types of suspected activity overseas that concerned U.S. officials.

A year later, Deripaska would get another visit from his FBI friends in New York. But this time the questions were about possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Specifically, the agents told Deripaska they believed Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was secretly coordinating the election with Moscow.

Steele had planted that theory with the FBI. By that time the former MI-6 agent was working for the American opposition research firm Fusion GPS, which had been hired by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to find Russian dirt on Trump. Steele's theories, of course, are contained in the so-called Steele dossier provided to the FBI.

Ohr had his own connection to Fusion, which was paying his wife, Nellie, to work on the anti-Trump research project, according to congressional testimony.

Deripaska once had a business relationship with Manafort but it ended in lawsuits. Despite that acrimony, Deripaska told the agents in that September 2016 meeting that he believed the theory of Manafort was colluding with Russia to help Trump win the election was preposterous.

Deripaska - like the many foreign business figures to whom U.S. intelligence has turned for help over the decades - is not without controversy or need. The U.S. State Department tried to keep him from getting a U.S. visa between 2006 and 2009 because they believed he had unspecified connections to criminal elements in Russia as he consolidated power in the aluminum industry. Deripaska has denied those allegations and claims FBI agents told him in 2009 that the State Department file blocking his entry to the country was merely a pretext.

Whatever the case, it is irrefutable that after he began helping the FBI, Deripaska regained entry to the United States. And he visited numerous times between 2009 and 2017, visa entry records show.

We now know that, on multiple occasions during those visits, the DOJ and FBI secretly collaborated with Deripaska in the hope of getting help, first regarding Levinson, then on Ohr's matters, and finally on the Manafort case. U.S. officials told me they assumed Deripaska let Putin's team know he was helping the U.S. government, and that his motive for helping was to keep visiting America.

Today, Deripaska is banned anew from the United States, one of several Russians sanctioned in April by the Trump administration as a way to punish Putin for 2016 election meddling. But he wants to be clear about a few things, according to a statement provided by his team. First, he did collude with Americans in the form of voluntarily assisting and meeting with the FBI, the DOJ and people such as Ohr between 2009 and 2016.

He also wants Americans to know he did not cooperate or assist with Steele's dossier, and he tried to dispel the FBI notion that Russia and the Trump campaign colluded during the 2016 election.

"The latest reckless media chatter proposes that I had some unspecified involvement in the so-called dossier. Like most of the absurd fantasies and smears that ricochet across the internet, it is utterly false. I had absolutely nothing to do with this project, and I never had any knowledge of it until it was reported in the media and I certainly wasn't involved in any activity related to it," Deripaska said in a statement provided to me by his team.

Americans can form their own conclusions about the veracity of those claims. But they now have a pretty convincing case of collusion between U.S. officials and Russians, one that isn't necessarily all that harmful to the American interest.

And the tale of Ohr, Steele, Deripaska, the FBI and the DOJ is a cogent reminder that people looking for black-and-white answers on Russia are more likely to find lots of gray - the favorite color of the murky counterintelligence world.

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[djohn2oo8]

Pathetic this is the hill these two choose do die on

[boutons_deux]

"Robert Mueller has not offered any collusion evidence, :lol

though his work continues." :lol no shit

Trash got off by paying $25M for Trash University fraud, false advertising crime.

Mueller, NY state are going to call his bluff, and he's got shitty cards.

I think the best out for USA now is for Trash to fall over dead from heart attack or totally incapacitated by massive stroke. That his only chance of shutting Mueller down. Trash's cult wouldn't, but probably would, blame Mueller.

[TSA]

Pathetic this is the hill these two choose do die on

What hill would that be djohn?

[TSA]

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Ohr shit

[djohn2oo8]

Two shitty Russian bots. Maybe less than that because bots can at least generate a theory

[TSA]

Pathetic this is the hill these two choose do die on

What hill would that be djohn?

[djohn2oo8]

What hill would that be djohn?
Devin Nunes conspiracy hill

[TSA]

Devin Nunes conspiracy hill

What is the Devin Nunes conspiracy hill djohn?

[Spurs Homer]

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Ohr shit

Serious question?
Are you trolling these guys for 1200 pages?
That seems to be the only logical explanation - you cannot seriously believe any of what you have thrown up against the wall hoping something would stick. Would you?
I think your trolling is brilliant!

[Chris]

dodgerjohn dodging questions again :lol

[djohn2oo8]

What is the Devin Nunes conspiracy hill djohn?
The hill that never gets anything right :lol

:lol #releasethememo

[TSA]

The hill that never gets anything right :lol

:lol #releasethememo

Why did you randomly bring up Devin Nunes out of the blue?

[Pavlov]

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Ohr shitAnd what difference would that have made?

Remember your theory is that the judge and everyone having anything to do with the warrant is in on it.

[TSA]

And what difference would that have made?

Remember your theory is that the judge and everyone having anything to do with the warrant is in on it.

If it doesn’t concern you stop acting concerned.

[Pavlov]

If it doesn’t concern you stop acting concerned.:lol TSA goes full forum cop when threatened.

[TSA]

:lol TSA goes full forum cop when threatened.

Thinking you’re in any way threatening :rollin

I find it amusing that you ask so many questions about things you say don’t matter. For a guy who now claims he never thought there was Trump/Russia collusion you sure do spend a lot of time in here arguing with those who share the same viewpoint.

[DarrinS]

Dem collusion doesn’t concern Dems.

[Pavlov]

Thinking you’re in any way threatening :rollin

I find it amusing that you ask so many questions about things you say don’t matter. For a guy who now claims he never thought there was Trump/Russia collusion you sure do spend a lot of time in here arguing with those who share the same viewpoint.
Not my fault you espoused every alt right conspiracy that ever appeared on a blog or website or Twitter.

Don't project. You're the gullible bitch here.

lol

[spurraider21]

Dem collusion doesn’t concern Dems.
No collusion. Just illusion and delusion.

[boutons_deux]

What do you Trash fellators have to say about this Repug leak/theft of Nat Sec data?

C.I.A. Officer-Turned-Candidate Says PAC Obtained Her Security Application

A former C.I.A. officer running for Congress accused a super PAC aligned with Speaker Paul D. Ryan on Tuesday of improperly obtaining her entire federal security clearance application —

a highly sensitive document containing extensive personal information —

and then using it for political purposes.

Abigail Spanberger, the Democratic candidate challenging Representative Dave Brat of Virginia, sent a cease-and-desist letter to Corry Bliss, the executive director of the Congressional Leadership Fund, which has raised more than $100 million to help Republicans in the midterm elections.

She demanded that the super PAC destroy all copies of the form and agree to not use the information in any fashion.


“I write as a former civil servant and as an American, in shock and anger, that you have tried to exploit my service to our country by exposing my most personal information in the name of politics,” she wrote.

he document was obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request filed with the United States Postal Service by America Rising, a separate Republican-aligned research firm.


“C.L.F. follows the letter of the law in examining any candidate’s background and Ms. Spanberger was no different,”



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/us/politics/cia-officer-house-election-super-pac.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/us/politics/cia-officer-house-election-super-pac.html)

Security applications, forms, etc are available for the asking?

"examining any candidate's background", excluding, of course, the health and tax records of illegit so-called Pres Trash.

So we can make FOIA request for Trash's health and tax records?

[boutons_deux]

Rachel Maddow Ties Trump And The GOP To Russian Organized Crime

Maddow said:

It has a Russian organized crime element to it.

And now the president mulls pardoning Paul Manafort.

As the president openly mulls firing the attorney general of the United States in the midst of the Manafort prosecution as a way to make the Russia investigation all go away,

today, Republicans in Congress spent the entire day going after that justice department official I’ve been talking about.

That specific official who started with the El Feo case and

the drug gangs in the Bronx.

Who rose to become the head of organized crime and racketeering at the justice department.

Who became the Justice Department’s expert on Russian organized crime.

The guy who indicted the head of the Russian mafia.

The guy who became the Justice Department’s lead counsel for transnational organized crime and international affairs.

The guy who had been part of the team banned Paul Manafort’s patron and business partner, Oleg Deripaska from doing business with the United States on his alleged ties to organized crime in Russia.

That justice department official. That guy. Is named Bruce Ohr.

And he is the object of conspiracy theories and condemnation on right-wing media on a 24-hour loop.

And today, pro trump Republican members of Congress summoned Bruce Ohr to testify behind closed doors before two Republican-led committees and

then they immediately went out to the cameras to talk to report betters

how Bruce Ohr was a liar and

to accuse him of being the rot at the heart of the Mueller investigation and

the Russia scandal more broadly.

The “New York Times” this weekend profiled his long history in leading American law enforcement efforts against Russian organized crime.

There is a Russian organized crime element to the Russia scandal.

Today House Republicans literally came back early from summer vacation to spend the day trying to destroy Bruce Ohr.

And today they are trying the take out one of America’s top experts on organized crime.

And I don’t know exactly what these targeted attacks by the White House and Congressional Republicans will ultimately do to the capabilities of the justice department and the FBI

when it comes to fighting things like Russian intelligence operations in the United States and

Russian organized crime and Russian money laundering through American real estate.

But you can imagine how satisfying a day like today must have been for Semion Mogilevich.

You can imagine how delightful that was for the Russian mafia.

You can imagine how nice a day it must have been when viewed from the perspective of the Kremlin.


Russian Organized Crime Is In The Shadows Of The Trump Scandal

A group of American criminals who couldn’t get banks in the United States to loan them money,

including the current president, somehow were able to get funds from Russia.


Congressional Republicans have been making trips to Russia, and

now they are targeting US Russian organized crime fighters

It could all be a big coincidence that Congressional Republicans have been blazing a trail to Moscow, and

now they are targeting US experts and Russian organized crime fighters.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/28/rachel-maddow-ties-trump-and-the-gop-to-russian-organized-crime.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[Winehole23]

Dem collusion doesn’t concern Dems.Collusion with the Russians by the Dems.

Final answer?

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[djohn2oo8]

Why did you randomly bring up Devin Nunes out of the blue?
Because you said his memo was supposed to end the mueller probe :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Schiff has leaked all he could and failed miserably. And he got caught like an idiot.

Nunes was given intel from Dan Coates. Have fun trying to downplay the findings by attacking Nunes character, see how that works out for you.
How did those findings turn out ? Lol

[djohn2oo8]

You guys are really terrified of this Nunes memo
:lmao

[Reck]

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:lol Already debunked...by the chinese nonetheless.


"This isn't the first time we've heard similar kinds of allegations," Hua Chunying, China's foreign ministry spokesperson, told reporters in Beijing Wednesday. "China is a staunch defender of cybersecurity. We firmly oppose and crack down on any forms of Internet attacks and the stealing of secrets," she added, according to Reuters.

But of course all it takes for Chris and TSA to go along with this retarded new conspiracy is a couple of annonymous sources without proof to boot.

[Fabbs]

:lol Already debunked...by the chinese nonetheless.



But of course all it takes for Chris and TSA to go along with this retarded new conspiracy is a couple of annonymous sources without proof to boot.
debunked. :rolleyes
All it takes for you is for China itself to say "No, we didn't do it".
As if in the event China really did hack, they would say "Why yes U.S. and Donny Trump, we did hack Shillarys emails and we want to own up to that and apologize."
FFS. :rolleyes

[Blake]

1034649685993156608

Lol "penetrating Hillary Clinton's private server"

Eww

[Reck]

debunked. :rolleyes
All it takes for you is for China itself to say "No, we didn't do it".
As if in the event China really did hack, they would say "Why yes U.S. and Donny Trump, we did hack Shillarys emails and we want to own up to that and apologize."
FFS. :rolleyes

You're an idiot, faggs.

If the Chinese hacked her emails, they wouldn't sit on it for 3 years.

The Russians hacked the DNC and immediately started leaking them through Wikileaks. You got a Chinese official publicly putting a name on this and your dumbass chooses unnamed sources as truth? :lol At least show the proof if you're going to go with this shitty narrative.

[Fabbs]

You're an idiot, faggs.

If the Chinese hacked her emails, they wouldn't sit on it for 3 years.

The Russians hacked the DNC and immediately started leaking them through Wikileaks. You got a Chinese official publicly putting a name on this and your dumbass chooses unnamed sources as truth? :lol At least show the proof if you're going to go with this shitty narrative.
Why the defensive butthurt, Wreck?

As for your Strawmanning, I never stated any narrative. I don't know if China hacked or not.
You OTOH take the word of a politician that they did not. Newsflash Wrecked, politicians can and do lie. :lol

Another of your narratives is that since Russia acted immediately on their hacks, China must do the same. According to you, China could not choose to simply sit on the info and let Hag keep on providing. You cannot prove that. At all.

[TSA]

Not my fault you espoused every alt right conspiracy that ever appeared on a blog or website or Twitter.

Don't project. You're the gullible bitch here.

lol

I’m not the one who for the last two years thought Trump and Russia colluded to steal an election.

[Reck]

Why the defensive butthurt, Wreck?

As for your Strawmanning, I never stated any narrative. I don't know if China hacked or not.
You OTOH take the word of a politician that they did not. Newsflash Wrecked, politicians can and do lie. :lol

Another of your narratives is that since Russia acted immediately on their hacks, China must do the same. According to you, China could not choose to simply sit on the info and let Hag keep on providing. You cannot prove that. At all.

You do realize that Hillary is inert, right?

The chinese are sitting on something to use on a retired 2 time failed politician? Makes sense..

[TSA]

Because you said his memo was supposed to end the mueller probe :lol

So Bruce Ohr’s testimony is being discussed along with Steele/Derispaka and you randomly bring up Devin Nunes.
You shook or something?

[Blake]

I’m not the one who for the last two years thought Trump and Russia colluded to steal an election.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/03/PizzaGateprotest1-1024x768.jpg&w=480

[TSA]

:lol Already debunked...by the chinese nonetheless.



But of course all it takes for Chris and TSA to go along with this retarded new conspiracy is a couple of annonymous sources without proof to boot.

:lol China good now.

[Reck]

:lol China good now.

I never said China was good or bad, retard.

[Pavlov]

I’m not the one who for the last two years thought Trump and Russia colluded to steal an election.
You're the one who pushed pizzagate and child sex dungeons and Susan Rice indictments and Silsby and spirit cooking and Podesta art and baby eating and Cat Stevens mind control and still pushing Qanon.

[TSA]

I never said China was good or bad, retard.

But it’s debunked because China said so right?

[TSA]

You're the one who pushed pizzagate and child sex dungeons and Susan Rice indictments and Silsby and spirit cooking and Podesta art and baby eating and Cat Stevens mind control and still pushing Qanon.

:lol reduced to whataboutism

[djohn2oo8]

You're the one who pushed pizzagate and child sex dungeons and Susan Rice indictments and Silsby and spirit cooking and Podesta art and baby eating and Cat Stevens mind control and still pushing Qanon.
He don’t wanna talk about it

[Pavlov]

:lol reduced to whataboutism That's exactly what you've done in this thread from the beginning, dumbass :lmao

[TSA]

He don’t wanna talk about it

You won’t even talk about Russian collusion in your own thread about Russian collusion :rollin

[Pavlov]

He don’t wanna talk about it
He's ashamed he's so gullible and malleable.

[Reck]

But it’s debunked because China said so right?

It's debunked because the US government already said (and provided documented evidence) it was the Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assessing_Russian_Activities_and_Intentions_in_Rec ent_US_Elections

:lol TSA with the high noon Ls.

[TSA]

It's debunked because the US government already said (and provided documented evidence) it was the Russians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assessing_Russian_Activities_and_Intentions_in_Rec ent_US_Elections

:lol TSA with the high noon Ls.

Are you really this stupid?

[Reck]

Are you really this stupid?

Oh look, it's the TSA shook go to response. :lol

[TSA]

Oh look, it's the TSA shook go to response. :lol

Seriously. Do you think only one Country at a time is allowed to hack?

[Reck]

Seriously. Do you think only one Country at a time is allowed to hack?

Goalpost moving. Another TSA shook trademark.

This is about Russia and their hacking and the US coming to a complete consensus it was them. Not a 400 pound dude or any other country.

[Pavlov]

Goalpost moving. Another TSA shook trademark.Do you think only one Democrat at a time is allowed to eat babies?

[TSA]

Goalpost moving. Another TSA shook trademark.

This is about Russia and their hacking and the US coming to a complete consensus it was them. Not a 400 pound dude or any other country.

No. You commented on China hacking Clinton servers and are now trying to say that wouldn’t be possible because Russia hacked them. Again, do you think only one Country at a time is allowed to hack?

[TSA]

muh Russia crew terrified to actually discuss muh Russia in the muh Russia thread :lol

[Pavlov]

muh Russia crew terrified to actually discuss muh Russia in the muh Russia thread :lolYou keep talking about Clinton and China.

Just like you talked about Podesta and art.

Just like you talked about Rice and indictments.

Just like you talked about Silby.

All here.

In the Russia thread.

lol

[Reck]

No. You commented on China hacking Clinton servers and are now trying to say that wouldn’t be possible because Russia hacked them. Again, do you think only one Country at a time is allowed to hack?

I never said China hacked Clinton. That is your and your ilk new narrative.

Get your shit straight, pizzaboy.

I said this new theory of your is already debunked by multiple fronts.

[TSA]

You keep talking about Clinton and China.

Just like you talked about Podesta and art.

Just like you talked about Rice and indictments.

Just like you talked about Silby.

All here.

In the Russia thread.

lol

I didn’t bring up Clinton and China but I’m more than happy to stop if you’d like to get back to discussing Trump/Russian collusion. Do you want to discuss Trump/Russian collusion or do you want to whatabout your way into the weeds?

[Spurminator]

You say this like it's something to be proud of. All it means is you have no conviction and you're content to push out whatever bullshit the liars you idolize tell you to push out, without caring if they're true or not.


coming from someone who’s pushed the muh Russia for two years :lol


How have I pushed "muh Russia," Pizzaboy?


:lol please


That's a dodge. But I don't expect you to answer.

I keep up with my theories, when I care enough to have them. I don't follow the fringe conspiracy wind wherever it blows like you do.


Oh you were actually being serious? Lol

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=148740


https://i.imgur.com/KcBiEhG.png?1

Is this supposed to help?

Maybe just link a specific post.

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[Pavlov]

I didn’t bring up Clinton and China but I’m more than happy to stop if you’d like to get back to discussing Trump/Russian collusion. Do you want to discuss Trump/Russian collusion or do you want to whatabout your way into the weeds?:lmao You're the one who has whataboutted this thread for over a year and you're doing it now.

[TSA]

:lmao You're the one who has whataboutted this thread for over a year and you're doing it now.

Do you want to discuss Trump/Russian collusion or do you want to whatabout your way into the weeds?

[Pavlov]

Do you want to discuss Trump/Russian collusion or do you want to whatabout your way into the weeds?I'm down with discussing Trump/Russia. What do you want to discuss about it, TSA?

[RandomGuy]

Do you want to discuss Trump/Russian collusion or do you want to whatabout your way into the weeds?

You mean like that time senior campaign officials met with Russians to get dirt on their opponent?

or the secret meetings that they all keep lying about for some reason?

That collusion?

[djohn2oo8]

You mean like that time senior campaign officials met with Russians to get dirt on their opponent?

or the secret meetings that they all keep lying about for some reason?

That collusion?

he don’t wanna talk about it. He will pivot to Steele

[TSA]

You mean like that time senior campaign officials met with Russians to get dirt on their opponent?

or the secret meetings that they all keep lying about for some reason?

That collusion?

You really want to talk about the meeting that Clinton funded Fusion GPS set up?

[TSA]

I'm down with discussing Trump/Russia. What do you want to discuss about it, TSA?

Why did the muh Russia crew suddenly stop discussing muh Russia?

[TSA]

he don’t wanna talk about it. He will pivot to Steele

:lol Steele bad now

[Pavlov]

Why did the muh Russia crew suddenly stop discussing muh Russia?Because the Manafort and Cohen cases have been dominating the news cycles and you've gone off on your Ohr and China distractions.

[DarrinS]

You didn’t need to get five words into the latest calls for Donald Trump’s impeachment to discover it’s over the same objectionable qualities that we’ve heard about for three years. Michael Cohen’s payments to Stephanie Clifford and Karen McDougal are a pretext.

At least it isn’t Russia. This turning of the page is sad for Craig Unger, author of a just-released book about Mr. Trump’s business history, full of sentences like “we do not know exactly when the KGB first opened a file on Donald Trump.” Or how about his description of Oleg Kalugin, the 83-year-old ex-KGB agent living in the U.S. who knows nothing about Mr. Trump, as “a master of the tradecraft that was used to ensnare Trump.”

Such sentences are exercises in the fallacy of begging the question—presuming the truth of an unsubstantiated claim. Unfortunately for Mr. Unger, Mr. Trump’s enemies are throwing aside their Russia crutches. Mr. Trump’s longtime CFO, Allen Weisselberg, has received immunity from a federal prosecutor in New York. No, this does not mean every Trump tax return, loan application, conservation easement or cash transfer now will be scrutinized. But it could. And smart Democrats have known all along that Mr. Trump’s businesses are his real vulnerability.

The sad face that Mr. Trump made on election night after winning, it’s easy to believe, was born of a realization. Nobody has an incentive to invest unreasonable sums of time and money to create legal jeopardy for a loser. A president is different. And Mr. Trump is a fat target. Bill Clinton involved himself in one real-estate deal in his life. Imagine a Whitewater a week for 40 years.

To this columnist, it was inevitable that Mr. Trump’s past would come into collision with our vast regulatory state, which can find something on anybody if it looks hard enough, even somebody more scrupulously honest than Mr. Trump.

Harvard law professor and Bloomberg contributor Noah Feldman positively chortles that the Cohen plea now invites the U.S. attorney in Manhattan to seek more crimes and eventually to “indict the Trump Organization itself and seize assets derived from criminal activity.”

I wonder how this might play in the possibly more nuanced mind of Manafort juror Paula Duncan, who was capable of both appreciating that Paul Manafort was guilty and realizing that the government prosecuted him only because of his connection to President Trump.

Donald Trump, by a Manhattan mile, was better known than any presidential candidate in history—his personal life, his business life, his tics, his mannerisms. A bit dull are those pundits who have spent the past three years flogging and reflogging his demerits as if they discovered them. To anybody with historical imagination, the telling fact was that the American people elected him anyway. They put him in office with a clear democratic will to see how this unusual experiment runs.

While it would be problematic to assume voters gave Mr. Trump a pass for prior crimes, it’s equally problematic to launch a hunt for crimes that didn’t seem worthwhile to the myrmidons of the state before he was elected president.

It also behooves us to take a fresh look at how different Mr. Trump really is—or perhaps better said, in what way he is different and what way he is not. Friday’s headline in the Washington Post, “Trump undermining legal system, critics fear,” has that born-yesterday quality to anybody who’s been paying attention the past few decades. Half of America surely will recall hearing an FBI chief say that Hillary Clinton violated the law in relation to her official duties and it wasn’t worth prosecuting.

The risk of going down this road, thankfully, will be limited as long as Republicans remain a sizeable power in the Senate. A vote to convict after impeachment would be unlikely unless GOP voters themselves decide Mr. Trump has betrayed their cause.

What we’re also going to learn is that even if the federal government is paralyzed for the next two years, even if our politics is more deeply embittered, Mr. Trump can flourish in such an environment.

In the meantime, goodbye to Russia. You served your purpose. Vladimir Putin’s effect on the 2016 election, we can now admit, was trivial—his real influence has come almost entirely through the willingness of U.S. combatants to exploit Russia in pursuit of their own power ambitions and vendettas.




https://outline.com/DjNbv5

[Pavlov]

https://outline.com/DjNbv5Darrin works exclusively in his echo chamber.

[RandomGuy]

You really want to talk about the meeting that Clinton funded Fusion GPS set up?

Delusional to the last. I have little doubt that someone like you was first in line for the Koolaid at Jonestown.

Collusion proven, so you have to get with the new spin. "It isn't a crime", and "Hillary made us do it". :rollin

[boutons_deux]

The Flynn Tapes: A New Tell

The White House did indeed send someone over to review the intercepts.

As the special counsel knows, that person was John Eisenberg.

And what Eisenberg learned, the special counsel also knows,

the president understood when he fired Flynn.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/08/29/the-flynn-tapes-a-new-tell/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NYR%20Trump%20Flynn%20Doris%20Lessing %20NATO&utm_content=NYR%20Trump%20Flynn%20Doris%20Lessing% 20NATO+CID_2cd82e1d7e0eebb450e18a13e1d08e91&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_term=The%20Flynn%20Tapes%20A%20New%20Tell

[RandomGuy]

Everything is panning out as expected, not a single charge, indictment, or arrest. Even Flynn isn't in major trouble. :lol

Whoopsies.

[djohn2oo8]

Whoopsies.
:lmao

[RandomGuy]

:lmao Mike Flynn still a free man with no indictment

:lmao

[Reck]

:lmao

TSA In 2018: I was a younger man then.

[Spurs Homer]

Will there be new indictments right before or after this Labor Day weekend?
From Mueller? SD NY? (60 days before/after an election)

I think Mueller will defer to the SD NY (a little bit longer) just to keep Trump unsure of who to go after next - while the midterms change the political landscape. The statute of limitations are also a factor and Mueller probably sees that the GOP will not impeach - so why hurry the major crimes/indictments - since the statutes take effect once an indictment is rendered. IIRC - Felonies are 6 years in New York state.
Trump may or may not be impeached but will certainly be prosecuted after 2020 when he is out of office.

[RandomGuy]

Zero evidence has come out against Trump, with Hillary we've been provided with hundreds of instances of the law being broken.

I would call someone who pleads guilty in federal court that he committed a felony with Trump to be "evidence".

[RandomGuy]

you don't drop pizzagate
pizzagate drops you

:rollin

[RandomGuy]

LwCUHTqlq-0
djohn2oo8 add another Dem to the no Trump/Russian collusion list

ah... the simpler times of "no collusion" how far those goal posts get moved...

[djohn2oo8]

Randomguy just ended ol boy

https://i.gifer.com/A5ht.gif

[RandomGuy]

Total let down of testimony for djohn2oo8 today. Add 2 more top intel officials to the no collusion crowd :cry

The only question now, is how much collusion went on, besides all the secret meetings we now know about.

[RandomGuy]

Mensch is easy to debunk on the spot. To this day no one's debunked pizzagate nor solved the Seth Rich murder.

so sure... so wrong...

[djohn2oo8]

so sure... so wrong...
Hell he thought Seth Rich was Guccifer

[RandomGuy]

That is also a pretty good point, although when Trump goes down in flames (insert Hindenburg graphic with Trumps face on it here) the most likely effect is a Democratic congress, or at the very least one with a far slimmer margin for the GOP.

70% chance at this point, and we still have two whole more months of Trump fuck ups, stupid lies, and new failures before then.

[TSA]

I would call someone who pleads guilty in federal court that he committed a felony with Trump to be "evidence".

Name one charge that ties Trump with Russian election collusion. Just one.

[RandomGuy]

Russians claim to have 'derogatory' financial information that can be used as leverage over Trump (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/30/1667209/-Russians-claim-to-have-derogatory-financial-information-that-can-be-used-as-leverage-over-Trump)

One source described the information as financial in nature and said the discussion centered on whether the Russians had leverage over Trump's inner circle. The source said the intercepted communications suggested to US intelligence that Russians believed

"they had the ability to influence the administration through the derogatory information."

… a series of very deep studies published in the [Financial Times] that examined

the structure and history of several major Trump real estate projects from the last decade—the period after his seventh bankruptcy and the cancellation of all his bank lines of credit. ...

The money to build these projects flowed almost entirely from Russian sources.

In other words, after his business crashed, Trump was floated and made to appear to operate a successful business enterprise through the

infusion of hundreds in millions of cash from dark Russian sources.

He was their man.

What seems to be clear is that the Russians thought—think—they have details that put the Trump regime under the Kremlin’s thumb.

CNN has not been able to verify the allegations about the derogatory information in the dossier, but current and former US officials say

some of the Russia-to-Russia conversations in the dossier have been corroborated.

These were the Russians bragging among themselves about their hold on the Trump regime. That makes it seem unlikely this was part of the broad distribution of propaganda used to assist Trump.

Considering that Manafort obtained a mysterious loan immediately after leaving Trump’s campaign and used that to leverage the purchase of multi-million dollar oceanfront property, looking into his finances seems like a fair bet.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/5/30/1667209/-Russians-claim-to-have-derogatory-financial-information-that-can-be-used-as-leverage-over-Trump?detail=emaildkre



True over a year ago, true today.

[Pavlov]

Name one charge that ties Trump with Russian election collusion. Just one.No chance in hell Mueller would lead with those charges.

Are there even any active investigations into all the conspiracies you've listed in this thread?

[RandomGuy]

https://i.imgur.com/RF3eNZN.jpg

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Name one charge that ties Trump with Russian election collusion. Just one.
Damn look how far the goalposts have moved.

[RandomGuy]

Name one charge that ties Trump with Russian election collusion. Just one.

Tell you what.

Why don't you post right here, right now, that there will never be any charges of any Trump staffer related to collusion. Please, oh please...

[TSA]

No chance in hell Mueller would lead with those charges.not even a single mention in any of the indictments to tie to a larger conspiracy. Zero.


Are there even any active investigations into all the conspiracies you've listed in this thread?

Sure. Do you think Strock, McCabe, Ohr etc are just testifying for fun? Do you think the Wolfe indictment was make believe?

[djohn2oo8]

No chance in hell Mueller would lead with those charges.

Are there even any active investigations into all the conspiracies you've listed in this thread?

This. Russians were indicted first to establish that crimes involving the election occurred. Then tie any Americans involved back to the established crimes.

[Pavlov]

not even a single mention in any of the indictments to tie to a larger conspiracy. Zero.Exactly. Why would they release that before they had actual charges ready, TSA. Explain your legal strategy that calls for that.



Sure. Do you think Strock, McCabe, Ohr etc are just testifying for fun? Do you think the Wolfe indictment was make believe?:lmao Wolfe was about leaks, not your conspiracy.

The others are testifying to Congress for show. There has been, what, one criminal referral? -- and that hasn't been acted on.

lol TSA

[Pavlov]

This. Russians were indicted first to establish that crimes involving the election occurred. Then tie any Americans involved back to the established crimes.TSA thinks Mueller should run his investigation like Giuliani and Nunes running around just smearing bullshit hoping to influence opinion polls.

[TSA]

Damn look how far the goalposts have moved.

This thread has gone from Trump/Russia election collusion to hoping to tie a campaign finance charge to Trump. And you want to talk about goalpost moves :rollin

You stupid fucks are trying to pretend it was never about Trump/Russia now?

[djohn2oo8]

This thread has gone from Trump/Russia election collusion to hoping to tie a campaign finance charge to Trump. And you want to talk about goalpost moves :rollin

You stupid fucks are trying to pretend it was never about Trump/Russia now?
It just drives you crazy that Mueller won’t clear Trump eh

[TSA]

Tell you what.

Why don't you post right here, right now, that there will never be any charges of any Trump staffer related to collusion. Please, oh please...

You could have just manned up and said you couldn’t name a single charge.

[djohn2oo8]

TSA thinks Mueller should run his investigation like Giuliani and Nunes running around just smearing bullshit hoping to influence opinion polls.
The kid is clearly losing his shit.

[Pavlov]

not even a single mention in any of the indictments to tie to a larger conspiracy. Zero.
You don't remember the allusions to Roger Stone at all?

Roger Stone does.

[RandomGuy]

Arguing with Trumpers is a waste of time.

There is, literally, NOTHING that could come forward that could change their minds. Putin could admit it and they will still go along with whatever Trump says.

If Mueller and co. say no evidence of collusion, fair enough. If Trump releases tax returns and no evidence of Russian leverage, fair enough.

But dont ask us to simply believe sound bytes from this guy or that youtube vid or whatever. Listening to the idiots of Fox News who dont have a clue what theyre talking about is pointless.

Remarkably prescient given Putin's admission that he ordered people to help Trump.

the rest of it... true as well.

[djohn2oo8]

You don't remember the allusions to Roger Stone at all?

Roger Stone does.
Lol

[djohn2oo8]

Oh and btw TSA. If Trump did not collude with Russia then why not sit with Mueller to clear his name?

[RandomGuy]

It's a pretty fucking shitty situation when the best thing we can say about the president is: "well, at least he didn't commit a crime."

ish. I hate agreeing with you, but yeah.

[djohn2oo8]

The OIG report is going to be brutal. Top FBI/DOJ rats already scurrying from the dossier as fast as they can.

======

It’s every man and woman for themselves as the collective groups of architects behind the entire FBI Counterintelligence Operation, that brought us the 18-month-long ‘vast Russian conspiracy’ narrative, now attempt to back-track from all previous assertions.

Two days ago we shared very strong confidence the joint FBI (counterintelligence) and DOJ (National Security Division) scheme was going to come out. The reason is simple, they left too big a trail of factual and provable evidence of their activity.

It is not coincidental that just as scrutiny over the 2016 FBI FISA court application gains traction in congress and media, the insider intelligence community started leaking to the New York Times about the insignificance of the Steele Dossier as it relates to the FISA court application. Look, over there, it was George Papadopoulos; not the DOJ FISA construct that was used by the FBI to launch surveillance upon candidate Trump. Swear.

Laughable.

Predictable.

For more than a year the Steele Dossier was the most valuable evidence to the Russian narrative; then, poof, in the blink-of-an-eye, not so much – it became a risk. Funny that. The transparency of motive is brutally obvious, too many FBI and DOJ people at risk now. The trail is too easy to follow.

It was only a matter of time before Fusion-GPS spoke up toward the same goal of track-covering. Yesterday Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch [Hi Glenn] posted an Op-Ed in the New York Times attempting further distance.

According to Glenn and Pete:

[…] “We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.” (more)

Additionally, Fusion GPS also claims they never spoke to the FBI: “We did not speak to the F.B.I. and haven’t since.”, which is bizarre given the previous reports of Glenn Simpson talking to FBI Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok. Isn’t Peter Strzok in the FBI?

Conspicuously absent from the Fusion Op-Ed is any mention of Glenn Simpson’s wife, Mary B Jacoby, and her involvement therein. Additionally their explanations are devoid of the prior meeting or contact with DOJ Deputy Attorney Bruce Ohr, the guy who was demoted for meeting with them without telling anyone. Another curious missing detail is Simpson, Jacoby and Fritsch hiring Bruce Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr to work on the “Trump project”.

Nope. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

Unfortunately for Glenn and Pete the part about them saying the dossier was taken seriously because it corroborated reports the FBI had from another source, “including one inside the Trump camp”, leads to Business Insider asking questions about that source.

Who does that corroborative source turn out to be? Oh yeah:

[…] a person with knowledge of Fusion’s testimony and the op-ed told Business Insider on Tuesday. … it was a reference to George Papadopoulos. (link)

So the current narrative is: the FBI didn’t likely use the Steele Dossier in the FISA court application, but rather the FBI’s confirmation of a source within the Steele Dossier, as given by the author of the Dossier, was likely used in the FISA court application.

See how that works?

The “dossier” didn’t originate the FISA application to conduct surveillance on candidate Donald Trump; the source (Papadopoulos) quoted “inside the dossier” originated the FISA application. Let’s play a game; it’s called “Semantics”.

Except there’s another problem.

Stuff happens when people begin the ‘every-man-for-himself‘ routine; the central narrative control collapses.

Simultaneous to Fusions’ Op-Ed protestations, the former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, appears on CNN to say, he never heard of George Papadopoulos – and he should know, because his office put out the 2016/2017 Joint Analysis Report. That’s the 17-agency (eyeroll) definitive story on all things ‘Muh Russian Conspiracy’.

So now what?

Not what, “who”?

Yeah, who?

Who’d he throw it to?

I dunno.

“Third Base.”

Fusion-GPS’s, Glenn Simpson, is playing Abbott to ODNI, James Clapper’s, Costello.

Why? Because the entire back-story that centers around the Steele Dossier, how it was assembled (Clinton Camp) and how it was used collaboratively by the DOJ (National Security Division) and FBI (Counterintelligence unit), is a case study in how to mislead a FISA court to gain an unlawful warrant to wiretap and conduct surveillance on political opponents.

And I remind you, that approach is what the former Obama head of the DOJ National Security Division, Asst. Attorney General John P Carlin, admitted to the FISA court weeks after the Trump wiretap and surveillance warrant was issued.

A newly released court order from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) found that the National Security Agency, under former President Obama, routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall. In describing the violations, the FISA court said the illegal searches conducted by the NSA under Obama were “widespread” and created a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue.” These new discoveries come from a recently unsealed FISA court document dated April 26, 2017 and center around a hearing dated October 26, 2017, just days before the 2016 election, in which the FISA court apparently learned for the first time of “widespread” and illegal spying on American citizens by the NSA under the Obama administration. (pdf link)

As the Inspector General investigation continues: ♦FBI Agent Peter Strzok has been reassigned to the HR department. ♦FBI Lawyer Lisa Page, personal legal aide to FBI Asst. Director, Andrew “Andy” McCabe, has been returned to the DOJ side. ♦FBI Chief Legal Counsel James Baker has been relieved of his duties by FBI Director Christopher Wray. ♦FBI Asst Director Andrew McCabe has announced his intent to retire in March.

All of these FBI personnel moves are a preliminary outcomes of the still ongoing Office of Inspector General (OIG) investigation. All of this has been reported. None of these moves are speculative. All of these geese are cooked. However, this is just one side of the 2016 political “Trump operation”, the FBI investigative Counterintelligence Division side.

The other side, the legal side of the Trump operation, stems from the National Security Division of the DOJ. A FISA application is submitted from the DOJ-NSD for use by the FBI Counterintelligence team. Sunlight upon this side of the collaboration is the reason for all of the current distraction narratives.


While both sides of the corrupt political apparatus participated in the illegal unmasking and leaking, the documentation and activity behind the origin of the FISA application is the current ‘hot potato’ no-one wants any association with.

The FISA application(s) and the subsequent wiretapping and surveillance collection, along with the unmasking that followed, is the focus of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes.

Sometime this month, after the initial Inspector General Michael Horowitz release, House Judiciary Chair Bob Goodlatte and Senate Judiciary Chair Chuck Grassley will likely call for a Special Counsel to investigate the upper-level management of the FBI and DOJ.

We should support that approach. The SC can quickly put a Grand Jury together and start presenting the IG investigative evidence, as well as enforceable subpoenas for witnesses.

There’s a lot of different down-stream legal issues:

The unlawful exoneration of Hillary Clinton by political operatives in the DOJ/FBI.
The unlawful destruction of evidence; and the manipulation of investigative protocols to gain a specific and pre-planned political outcome. (Peter Strzok, Andrew McCabe)
The unlawful use of the FISA court for political spy operations by the DOJ/FBI.
The unlawful use of the Dept of Justice National Security Division. For weaponized political benefit. (Sally Yates, Loretta Lynch, Bruce Ohr)
The unlawful use of the FBI Counterintelligence Division. For weaponized political benefit. (James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, James Baker)
The unlawful use of a Special Counsel (Mueller) investigation to hide the conspiracy; (James Baker, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Andrew Weissman, Jeannie Rhee, Aaron Zebley)
All of the origination details are part of the minutia that will surface in the next 30 days. Devin Nunes, Bob Goodlatte and Chuck Grassley using the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees to collect evidence and tell the public everything outlined HERE and more.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/03/fusion-gps-tries-and-fails-to-distance-themselves-from-fbi-fisa-origin/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Was it brutal?

[djohn2oo8]

More stalling, more cowardice.

We don’t need to walk through anything. The terms of the ELE bet were clear.

Seriousness of convictions based on OIG.
Seriousness of convictions based on muh Russia.

You’ve already got two indictments in hand with muh Russia. Stop being a pussy.

Do you accept the ELE bet yes or no?

what OIG convictions?

[TSA]

what OIG convictions?

Horowitz isn’t done dipshit. Did you think the first report was it?

[Pavlov]

Horowitz isn’t done dipshit. Did you think the first report was it?Mueller isn't done, dipshit. Did you think the first indictments were it?

[djohn2oo8]

Horowitz isn’t done dipshit. Did you think the first report was it?
You said “the report gonna be brutal”. Sure didn’t sound like you meant any other reports :lol

[RandomGuy]

Keep your eyes out for Dana Boente and John Carlin when the OIG investigation results start being revealed.


US attorney Dana Boente appointed to FBI as general counsel


Dana Boente, the former acting attorney general who now serves as general counsel at the FBI, has been interviewed by the special counsel’s office and turned over handwritten notes that could be evidence in the ongoing investigation into whether President Trump obstructed justice, according to people familiar with the matter.


Handwritten notes by former acting AG taken before James Comey was fired BACK UP ex-FBI director's claim that Trump asked how he could 'lift cloud' of Russia investigation

So what are we looking for here? I see a huge nothing burger, other than some notes that back up Comey and provide evidence the Trump actively sought to obstruct justice.

[TSA]

You said “the report gonna be brutal”. Sure didn’t sound like you meant any other reports :lol

Then you didn’t pay attention to what Horowitz was told to investigate. What was released was just the first part.

[djohn2oo8]

Mueller isn't done, dipshit. Did you think the first indictments were it?
:lmao

[TSA]

So what are we looking for here? I see a huge nothing burger, other than some notes that back up Comey and provide evidence the Trump actively sought to obstruct justice.

:lol back to obstructing justice I see. You guys really are like a loop in Westworld.

[Pavlov]

Then you didn’t pay attention to what Horowitz was told to investigate. What was released was just the first part.So det first report not brutal at all nothingburger but next report super brutal to average things out to brutal?

[djohn2oo8]

Then you didn’t pay attention to what Horowitz was told to investigate. What was released was just the first part.
“The report gonna be brutal”

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

So det first report not brutal at all nothingburger but next report super brutal to average things out to brutal?
:rollin

[TSA]

Mueller isn't done, dipshit. Did you think the first indictments were it?

Mueller doesn’t even have a first Trump/Russia election related indictment dipshit :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Mueller doesn’t even have a first Trump/Russia election related indictment dipshit :lol
Russians already indicted with Stone saying he is the unnamed person in te Indictment :lmao

[Pavlov]

Mueller doesn’t even have a first Trump/Russia election related indictment dipshit :lolOIG report doesn't even have a first indictment at all dipshit :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Mueller doesn’t even have a first Trump/Russia election related indictment dipshit :lol
Horwitz gets to finish but not Mueller? Guess he wasn’t in cahoots with Flynn after all

[djohn2oo8]

OIG report doesn't even have a first indictment at all dipshit :lol
:lmao

[Pavlov]

Horwitz gets to finish but not Mueller? Guess he wasn’t in cahoots with Flynn after all:lol King Spook working from the inside!

[djohn2oo8]

:lol King Spook working from the inside!
Flynn withdrew his plea deal but doesn’t want it public for his own reasons

[spurraider21]

Horowitz isn’t done dipshit. Did you think the first report was it?
have already been 2 reports. one for mccabe, one for handling of clinton matter.

so far zero charges. you're all in on the FISA report, though, until you kick the can further along whenever that one is released

[Reck]

TSA acts like somebody with tourettes. He keeps throwing out the same lame 1990s insult like a socially awkward retard.

[Pavlov]

Flynn withdrew his plea deal but doesn’t want it public for his own reasonsYep, he didn't even let the judge know because King Spook!

[djohn2oo8]

Yep, he didn't even let the judge know because King Spook!
Flynn was never in any real trouble that’s why he plead guilty so he could withdraw it later.

[Reck]

Flynn was never in any real trouble that’s why he plead guilty so he could withdraw it later.

Flynn going for the spook achievement on Xbox 1.

[Pavlov]

Flynn was never in any real trouble that’s why he plead guilty so he could withdraw it later.King Spook only pleaded guilty so he could get all the intel to REALLY commit multiple obstruction felonies!

[RandomGuy]

:lol back to obstructing justice I see. You guys really are like a loop in Westworld.

What do you mean "back to"?

Trump has done both things. Collusion, and lying to cover up are not mutually exclusive, geenyus.

[RandomGuy]

Name one charge that ties Trump with Russian election collusion. Just one.


Tell you what.

Why don't you post right here, right now, that there will never be any charges of any Trump staffer related to collusion. Please, oh please...


You could have just manned up and said you couldn’t name a single charge.

(shrugs) I cannot now name a single charge. Didn't think it *that* important, but if it gets you off your tack, I am happy to go there.

Why don't you post right here, right now, that there will never be any charges of any Trump staffer related to collusion.

or... be a punk-ass chickenshit.

[RandomGuy]

Mueller doesn’t even have a first Trump/Russia election related indictment dipshit :lol

The indicted Russians might disagree with that, dipshit. :rollin

[dabom]

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:lmao

[Chris]

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Whoa Nellie!

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

lol "collude"

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

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No collusion. Just illusion and delusion!

[Pavlov]

So they know everything already but want to get witnesses on process crimes if they can.

:lmao Stealth Jeff

[Chris]

^ lol doesn't get how testimony works

[Pavlov]

^ lol doesn't get how testimony worksHow does it work, counselor?

Tell us the Stealth Jeff plan.

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

thread about russia

long post about her emails

:lmao

[Pavlov]

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1034847096573251584So it wasn't Seth Rich?

:lmao

[Chris]

So it wasn't Seth Rich?

:lmao

DNC getting hacked in 2016 = Hillary's email server getting hacked in 2011

lol Pavlov

[Pavlov]

DNC getting hacked in 2016 = Hillary's email server getting hacked in 2011

lol PavlovSo Seth Rich was later?

What is your Seth Rich conspiracy theory this week?

[Chris]

So Seth Rich was later?

^Poor fella

:lmao

[Pavlov]

^Poor fella

:lmaoWhat is your Seth Rich conspiracy this week?

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Slow Speed Chase Saturday Night Massacre

Each action only has one purpose, one President Trump doesn’t even really try to deny: ending the Russia probe.

At the risk of

stating the obvious:

President Trump is guilty

and he is laying the groundwork for ending the probe

he believes (probably rightly) constitutes an existential threat to his Presidency.

It is on-going obstruction;

it’s on-going misrule and high crimes

which are what impeachment is meant to be the solution to.

But neither of those are really the key point.

No President – I don’t care how obsessed with his own power, how hyper-focused on deference and respect, how anything –

no President goes to these lengths unless he is guilty of something very bad and

which he believes poses a mortal threat to his presidency, his wealth, his reputation.

since no one is doing anything about,

since no one with the power to do anything about it is doing anything about,

we still collectively have a difficult time processing or accepting the truth of the situation.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trumps-slow-speed-chase-saturday-night-massacre?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Trump In Freefall As New Poll Shows Majority Of Americans Trust Mueller Not President

A new Suffolk University poll has found 55% of Americans trust Robert Mueller’s investigation and just 35% trust Trump’s claims of a witch hunt.

The nation is split on whether the House of Representatives should consider impeaching the president, based on what the voters know: 44 percent say yes, 47 percent say no.

Most Americans are prepared to be patient:

55 percent say the special counsel should take all the time he needs to finish the investigation, even if it continues into next year;

40 percent say he should wrap it up within weeks,

By 63 percent to 27 percent, those polled say Trump should agree to be interviewed by Mueller. That includes nearly a third of Republicans.

Trump’s witch hunt claims are falling on deaf ears

Donald Trump has not been successful at delegitimizing the Mueller investigation outside of his base of support.

he has failed to convince the American people about Robert Mueller and the Russia investigation.

Most Americans are willing to wait for Robert Mueller’s findings,

but they don’t trust Trump.

They don’t believe Trump,

and they are currently siding with the special counsel.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/29/trump-in-freefall-as-new-poll-shows-majority-of-americans-trust-mueller-not-president.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[djohn2oo8]

Lol Trumps unhinged tweetstorm last night trying to intimidate Chief Justice Roberts. Like I said if it comes to the SC they are not putting Benedict Donald above the law

[djohn2oo8]

Lol 7 tweets in the last hour and it’s barely 730.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Presses Supreme Court Chief Justice For Action On Russia Dossier

Once again, the president goes on a tear after watching Fox News.

President Donald Trump (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/topic/donald-trump) said on Wednesday the U.S. Supreme Court chief justice should tell the head of a national security court to question FBI and Justice Department officials about their use of a so-called Russia dossier as part of a collusion probe.

Trump singled out Justice Department official Bruce Ohr in a message on Twitter apparently quoting a Fox News analyst.

Ohr is linked to the dossier of allegations of possible collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-bruce-ohr_us_5b879a1ee4b0162f471fa020?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=__TheMorningEmail__083018&utm_content=__TheMorningEmail__083018+CID_1a456d6d a510098b0bb0b1119477c1f6&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=Reuters&ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__083018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q_ZzBGPdqE

[djohn2oo8]

Make that 8 now

[djohn2oo8]

9 now

[FlAVaK]

White House ..., a “smooth running machine” with changing parts!

:downspin:

[Winehole23]

I guess it's not weird that DJT didn't ask any questions before making himself look silly by suggesting that the John Roberts should order the FISA court to go after his political enemies.

[RandomGuy]

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[RandomGuy]

I guess it's not weird that DJT didn't ask any questions before making himself look silly by suggesting that the John Roberts should order the FISA court to go after his political enemies.

Holy fuck this guy is coming unglued.

The shitstorm that will follow the release of Mueller's report is something I shudder to think about. I am mindful of the 100 blank subpoenas that they got a month ago.

The tight lid that Mueller is keeping on his investigation is the biggest sign to me that they found some deadly serious stuff.
.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol Trump admits he fired McGahn. Comes after those 30 hours of interviews

[Winehole23]

I'm not so sure the Mueller report will be released. It's not even a certainty Rosenstein will forward it to Congress.

[djohn2oo8]

I'm not so sure the Mueller report will be released. It's not even a certainty Rosenstein will forward it to Congress.
Oh it will be very public.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not so sure the Mueller report will be released. It's not even a certainty Rosenstein will forward it to Congress.

I am pretty sure it will be released. I am sure pre-written freedom of information requests are already sitting on hard-drives all over the country.

[Winehole23]

Oh it will be very public.what makes you so sure?

[RandomGuy]

what makes you so sure?

https://www.fitsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/iStock-155380802-e1521127482715.jpg

There is a 70% chance that Democrats will control the House Judiciary Committee within the time frame that the S.C. is due to write his report to the A.G. and the A.G. is due to write his report to Congress.

Congress will get to decide just how public that will be.

A bit more at the end of this article:
https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/attorney-generals-special-counsel-regulations/

Let's rephrase your question based on this information.

"What makes you so sure Democrats will want to release the Special Counsel report?"

The answer being somewhat blindingly obvious.

[DarrinS]

I am pretty sure it will be released. I am sure pre-written freedom of information requests are already sitting on hard-drives all over the country.

:lol

[RandomGuy]

:lol

Don't strain yourself, four whole characters.

I worry.

[RandomGuy]

:lol

Crooked Donny is unraveling right in front of you. The tweets are growing increasingly unhinged, and will continue to get more and more desperate as the investigation gets to the meat of what it is looking at.

What will you do then?

[TSA]

Holy fuck this guy is coming unglued.

The shitstorm that will follow the release of Mueller's report is something I shudder to think about. I am mindful of the 100 blank subpoenas that they got a month ago.

The tight lid that Mueller is keeping on his investigation is the biggest sign to me that they found some deadly serious stuff.
.

:lmao

[TSA]

Crooked Donny is unraveling right in front of you. The tweets are growing increasingly unhinged, and will continue to get more and more desperate as the investigation gets to the meat of what it is looking at.

What will you do then?

You do realize Trump has known about the failed attempt to frame him with Russian collusion since he’s been in office don’t you? He’s had access to all the 302’s, access to all the texts, all the testimony, access to everything. Each new tweet is just making the general public aware of the incoming shitstorm that is about to be revealed. Trump is just toying with the conspirators now. Time to sit back and enjoy the show.

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[Spurs Homer]

You do realize Trump has known about the failed attempt to frame him with Russian collusion since he’s been in office don’t you? He’s had access to all the 302’s, access to all the texts, all the testimony, access to everything. Each new tweet is just making the general public aware of the incoming shitstorm that is about to be revealed. Trump is just toying with the conspirators now. Time to sit back and enjoy the show.

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Just stop.
You are really an embarrassment.

[djohn2oo8]

Hey TSA. Why did Jr meet with the Russians?

[spurraider21]

You do realize Trump has known about the failed attempt to frame him with Russian collusion since he’s been in office don’t you? He’s had access to all the 302’s, access to all the texts, all the testimony, access to everything. Each new tweet is just making the general public aware of the incoming shitstorm that is about to be revealed. Trump is just toying with the conspirators now. Time to sit back and enjoy the show.

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:lmao this isn't some next level top secret information he's teasing

[spurraider21]

Hey TSA. Why did Jr meet with the Russians?
democrats forced them to at gunpoint