Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[RandomGuy]

Lee Harvey was right wing?


One foreign deal, a stalled 2011 plan to build a Trump Tower in Batumi, a city on the Black Sea in the Republic of Georgia, has not received much journalistic attention. But the deal, for which Trump was reportedly paid a million dollars, involved unorthodox financial practices that several experts described to me as “red flags” for bank fraud and money laundering; moreover, it intertwined his company with a Kazakh oligarch who has direct links to Russia’s President, Vladimir Putin. As a result, Putin and his security services have access to information that could put them in a position to blackmail Trump. (Sekulow said that “the Georgia real-estate deal is something we would consider out of scope,” adding, “Georgia is not Russia.”)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption?


If Russia knows about money laundering within the complex overseas cash flows of the Trump Organization, do you think they would hesitate to use that information to blackmail Trump?

[SnakeBoy]

If Russia knows about money laundering within the complex overseas cash flows of the Trump Organization, do you think they would hesitate to use that information to blackmail Trump?

What would they blackmail him for?

[Chris]

Is it Mueller time yet?

[Pavlov]

Is it Mueller time yet?Already is and will be for awhile. Get used to it.

[djohn2oo8]

897212770336337920
"But her emails"

[djohn2oo8]

897213933534294016

[djohn2oo8]

897217771251138561

[Chris]

^super secret meeting with Putin oh lawd

[djohn2oo8]

897258786964066304

[djohn2oo8]

897259884496003073

[boutons_deux]

http://washingtonjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/newsweek-cover.jpg

[ducks]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19721/oops-wapo-russia-collusion-story-reveals-team-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand

[djohn2oo8]

897444070230040576
Christ Trump is stupid.

[Reck]

Is it Mueller time yet?

You will know it because you won't dare log in. That is a pre determined fact.

[boutons_deux]

Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings

Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”

The adviser, George Papadopoulos (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anyone--with-a-pulse-how-a-russia-friendly-adviser-found-his-way-into-the-trump-campaign/2017/05/25/32438f72-4014-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html?utm_term=.38648a3e1b05), offered to set up “a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss US-Russia ties under President Trump,” telling them his Russian contacts welcomed the opportunity, according to internal campaign emails read to The Washington Post.

The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments.

Papadopoulos emerges from the sample of emails as a new and puzzling figure in the examination of the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russian officials and their proxies during the 2016 election, now the subject of a special-counsel investigation.

While the emails illustrate his eagerness to strengthen the campaign’s connections to the Russian government, Papadopoulos does not spell out in them why it would be in Trump’s interest to do so.

But the internal resistance to Papadopoulos’s requests is at odds with other overtures Trump allies were making toward Russia at the time, mostly at a more senior level of the campaign.

Steven L. Hall, who retired from the CIA in 2015 after 30 years of managing the agency’s Russia operations, said when told by The Post about the emails:

“The bottom line is that there’s no doubt in my mind that the Russian government was casting a wide net when they were looking at the American election. I think they were doing very basic intelligence work: Who’s out there? Who’s willing to play ball? And how can we use them?”

“The entirely benign offer from a volunteer member of the Trump movement is infinitely less relevant than the real collusion in the 2016 election,” said Page

Papadopoulos made more than a half-dozen overtures on behalf of Russians or people with Russia contacts whom he claimed to know.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.6d3a76682272&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.6d3a76682272&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

So, the Trash entourage was well aware of the problems of contacts with Russians, but they "persisted" and had contacts with Russians anyway.

[TSA]

897212770336337920
"But her emails":lol a bunch of meetings that never happened

"The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments."

"Among those to express concern about the effort was then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who rejected in May 2016 a proposal from Papadopoulos for Trump to do so."

"Papadopoulos made more than a half-dozen overtures on behalf of Russians or people with Russia contacts whom he claimed to know.

On March 24, Clovis, the campaign co-chairman who also served on the foreign policy team, reacted to one proposed Russia meeting by writing, “We thought we probably should not go forward with any meeting with the Russians until we have had occasion to sit with our NATO allies.”

In the same email chain, Kubic, the retired admiral, reminded others about legal restrictions on meetings with certain Russian officials, adding, “Just want to make sure that no one on the team outruns their headlights and embarrasses the campaign.”

Undeterred, Papadopoulos alerted then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski in an April email that he was receiving “a lot of calls over the past month” about arranging a Russia meeting.

“Putin wants to host the Trump team when the time is right,” he wrote on April 27.

On May 4, Papadopoulos forwarded Lewandowski and others a note he received from the program head for the government-funded Russian International Affairs Council. In it, Ivan Timofeev, a senior official in the organization, reached out to report that Russian foreign ministry officials were open to a Trump visit to Moscow and requested that the campaign and Russians write a formal letter outlining the meeting.

Clovis responded to the Timofeev invitation by noting: “There are legal issues we need to mitigate, meeting with foreign officials as a private citizen.”

The email chain does not show a response from Lewandowski, who did not return calls seeking comment.

Several weeks later, Papadopoulos forwarded the same message from Timofeev to Manafort, the newly named campaign chairman.

“Russia has been eager to meet with Mr. Trump for some time and have been reaching out to me to discuss,” the adviser told Manafort.

Manafort reacted coolly, forwarding the email to his associate Rick Gates, with a note: “We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips.”

Gates agreed and told Manafort he would ask the campaign’s correspondence coordinator to handle it — “the person responding to all mail of non-importance” — to signify this did not need a senior official to respond."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.3fb66028b110

[TSA]

Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings

Three days after Donald Trump named his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016, the youngest of the new advisers sent an email to seven campaign officials with the subject line: “Meeting with Russian Leadership - Including Putin.”

The adviser, George Papadopoulos (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/anyone--with-a-pulse-how-a-russia-friendly-adviser-found-his-way-into-the-trump-campaign/2017/05/25/32438f72-4014-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html?utm_term=.38648a3e1b05), offered to set up “a meeting between us and the Russian leadership to discuss US-Russia ties under President Trump,” telling them his Russian contacts welcomed the opportunity, according to internal campaign emails read to The Washington Post.

The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments.

Papadopoulos emerges from the sample of emails as a new and puzzling figure in the examination of the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russian officials and their proxies during the 2016 election, now the subject of a special-counsel investigation.

While the emails illustrate his eagerness to strengthen the campaign’s connections to the Russian government, Papadopoulos does not spell out in them why it would be in Trump’s interest to do so.

But the internal resistance to Papadopoulos’s requests is at odds with other overtures Trump allies were making toward Russia at the time, mostly at a more senior level of the campaign.

Steven L. Hall, who retired from the CIA in 2015 after 30 years of managing the agency’s Russia operations, said when told by The Post about the emails:

“The bottom line is that there’s no doubt in my mind that the Russian government was casting a wide net when they were looking at the American election. I think they were doing very basic intelligence work: Who’s out there? Who’s willing to play ball? And how can we use them?”

“The entirely benign offer from a volunteer member of the Trump movement is infinitely less relevant than the real collusion in the 2016 election,” said Page

Papadopoulos made more than a half-dozen overtures on behalf of Russians or people with Russia contacts whom he claimed to know.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.6d3a76682272&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?undefined=&utm_term=.6d3a76682272&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

So, the Trash entourage was well aware of the problems of contacts with Russians, but they "persisted" and had contacts with Russians anyway.




:lol a bunch of meetings that never happened

"The proposal sent a ripple of concern through campaign headquarters in Trump Tower. Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments."

"Among those to express concern about the effort was then-campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who rejected in May 2016 a proposal from Papadopoulos for Trump to do so."

"Papadopoulos made more than a half-dozen overtures on behalf of Russians or people with Russia contacts whom he claimed to know.

On March 24, Clovis, the campaign co-chairman who also served on the foreign policy team, reacted to one proposed Russia meeting by writing, “We thought we probably should not go forward with any meeting with the Russians until we have had occasion to sit with our NATO allies.”

In the same email chain, Kubic, the retired admiral, reminded others about legal restrictions on meetings with certain Russian officials, adding, “Just want to make sure that no one on the team outruns their headlights and embarrasses the campaign.”

Undeterred, Papadopoulos alerted then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski in an April email that he was receiving “a lot of calls over the past month” about arranging a Russia meeting.

“Putin wants to host the Trump team when the time is right,” he wrote on April 27.

On May 4, Papadopoulos forwarded Lewandowski and others a note he received from the program head for the government-funded Russian International Affairs Council. In it, Ivan Timofeev, a senior official in the organization, reached out to report that Russian foreign ministry officials were open to a Trump visit to Moscow and requested that the campaign and Russians write a formal letter outlining the meeting.

Clovis responded to the Timofeev invitation by noting: “There are legal issues we need to mitigate, meeting with foreign officials as a private citizen.”

The email chain does not show a response from Lewandowski, who did not return calls seeking comment.

Several weeks later, Papadopoulos forwarded the same message from Timofeev to Manafort, the newly named campaign chairman.

“Russia has been eager to meet with Mr. Trump for some time and have been reaching out to me to discuss,” the adviser told Manafort.

Manafort reacted coolly, forwarding the email to his associate Rick Gates, with a note: “We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips.”

Gates agreed and told Manafort he would ask the campaign’s correspondence coordinator to handle it — “the person responding to all mail of non-importance” — to signify this did not need a senior official to respond."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.3fb66028b110

[clambake]

fun stuff

[boutons_deux]

:lol a bunch of meetings that never happened


So, the Trash entourage was well aware of the problems of contacts with Russians, but they "persisted" and had contacts with Russians anyway.

[Pavlov]

So, the Trash entourage was well aware of the problems of contacts with Russians, but they "persisted" and had contacts with Russians anyway.....nevertheless, Uday persisted.

[boutons_deux]

....nevertheless, Uday persisted.

... and Manafort, Kushner, Sessions, Flynn, Page, who and who knows who else?

[Chris]

well well well

TRUMP CAMPAIGN REPEATEDLY REJECTED EFFORTS TO SET UP RUSSIA MEETINGS


The Washington Post reports that in 2016, a new member of the Trump foreign policy advisory committee sent emails to the Trump campaign urging that the candidate meet with top Russian leaders including Putin, but that the campaign repeatedly rejected this suggestion. The Post’s report is based on emails that it says were “read to The Post by a person with access to them.”

The foreign policy adviser in question is George Papadopoulos, described by the Post as “a campaign volunteer with scant foreign policy experience.” According to the Post, between March and September of 2016, he sent at least a half-dozen requests for Trump or members of his team to meet with Russian officials.

The campaign’s response is bad news for those who claim that Trump colluded with Russia. According to the Post:

Campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis wrote that he thought NATO allies should be consulted before any plans were made. Another Trump adviser, retired Navy Rear Adm. Charles Kubic, cited legal concerns, including a possible violation of U.S. sanctions against Russia and of the Logan Act, which prohibits U.S. citizens from unauthorized negotiation with foreign governments.

What about Paul Manafort, supposedly a key player in the alleged collusion? The Post says he expressed concern about meetings with Russian officials and, as campaign chairman, rejected a May 2016 proposal that such a meeting take place.

The Post argues that “the internal resistance to Papadopoulos’s requests is at odds with other overtures Trump allies were making toward Russia at the time, mostly at a more senior level of the campaign.” Not really. Reading the two sets of emails I believe the Post has in mind — the ones involving Papadopoulos and the ones involving Donald Trump Jr. and the Russian lawyer — the logical conclusion is that Team Trump was not interested in making overtures to, or negotiating with, the Kremlin, but was willing to check out information harmful to Hillary Clinton provided by Russian sources, including ones with possible ties to the Kremlin.

The first position is exactly what one would hope for and expect. The second should not shock anyone’s conscience.

It seems to me that if the Trump campaign wanted to collude with Russia, as opposed to simply reviewing “dirt” on Clinton provided by Russians, it would have been eager to meet with top Russian officials including Putin. The emails reportedly show a decided lack of interest in such meetings by top campaign officials.

It’s possible that the candidate himself was interested in overtures, negotiations, or some other form of collusion with the Russians. It’s even possible that he did these things through back channels. But there doesn’t seem to be any evidence to support this speculation. And the fact his campaign managers appear not to have believed Trump had any interest in such endeavors cuts against claims of collusion.

Thus, the Post’s story, which it bills with the headline “Trump campaign emails show aide’s repeated efforts to set up Russia meetings,” seems like a significant setback for the Russia collusion story.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/trump-campaign-repeatedly-rejected-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings.php

[Pavlov]

well well well

TRUMP CAMPAIGN REPEATEDLY REJECTED EFFORTS TO SET UP RUSSIA MEETINGSAnd then they set up that Russia meeting and had that Russia meeting.

[Boston Pancake]

well well well

TRUMP CAMPAIGN REPEATEDLY REJECTED EFFORTS TO SET UP RUSSIA MEETINGS

And your wife repeatedly rejected efforts for me to plow her balloon knot, but she fahkin let me do it anyways. I guess that's wicked pissah in your book.

[Chris]

And then they set up that Russia meeting and had that Russia meeting.

It was a nothingburger. Lets move on.

[Pavlov]

It was a nothingburger. Lets move on.:lol You still want another Benghazi investigation.

[Chris]

Benghazi

*ding

:lol

[Chris]

I like this

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20770237_143023419619070_472751378677567173_n.jpg? oh=b0188970710add62e4b369de1d1dd4ea&oe=5A25334C

[Pavlov]

:lol Garrison went full Alex Jones.

Never go full Alex Jones.

[boutons_deux]

Millions Willing to Work for Mueller for Free If That Would Speed Things Up


https://media.newyorker.com/photos/599317e0e7e57c7bfef97884/master/w_1626,c_limit/Borowitz-Millions-Work-for-Mueller-Free.jpg

WASHINGTON — Millions of Americans would gladly work for Robert Mueller for free if that would help speed things up, a new poll finds.

According to the survey, a

substantial number of Americans would leave their jobs, their homes, and even their families to join the special counsel’s team if doing so would help bring this nightmare to a swifter conclusion.

A spokesperson for the special counsel confirmed that his office has been receiving thousands of résumés a day from Americans begging to do anything to help Mueller “move things along.”

“We saw a big surge in interest after the bust on Paul Manafort’s house,” the spokesperson said.

“A lot of folks were devastated that they didn’t get to play a part in that.”

The spokesperson said that, although the special counsel “really appreciates” the public’s interest in helping out, limitations on office space prevent Mueller from accommodating all of those who desperately want to pitch in.

“We hate to disappoint people, but we’re overwhelmed,” the spokesperson said.

“Right now, I have about five thousand résumés from people who just want to help investigate Jared.”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-willing-to-work-for-mueller-for-free-if-that-would-speed-things-up (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-willing-to-work-for-mueller-for-free-if-that-would-speed-things-up)

[RandomGuy]

897444070230040576
Anti-Christ Trump is stupid.

FFY

[boutons_deux]

Congressional Republicans Just Got Hit With Criminal Complaint For Russian-Linked Campaign Donations

Residents of three states have filed a criminal complaint with the FEC against three top Republican Congressmen for accepting illegal foreign campaign contributions. The Republican Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee (https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/chairman-ed-royce/) is one of the legislators accused of taking dirty cash, which none of them have returned as required by law.

Russian dictator

Vladimir Putin’s “favorite” Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA)

is one of two Representatives, along with

Idaho’s junior Republican Senator Ed Royce,

who together, stand accused of accepting illegal straw donations to deceive election reporting requirements as well as forbidden foreign campaign contributions.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/15/congressional-republicans-just-got-hit-criminal-complaint-russian-linked-campaign-donations/

[ducks]

Millions Willing to Work for Mueller for Free If That Would Speed Things Up


https://media.newyorker.com/photos/599317e0e7e57c7bfef97884/master/w_1626,c_limit/Borowitz-Millions-Work-for-Mueller-Free.jpg

WASHINGTON — Millions of Americans would gladly work for Robert Mueller for free if that would help speed things up, a new poll finds.

According to the survey, a

substantial number of Americans would leave their jobs, their homes, and even their families to join the special counsel’s team if doing so would help bring this nightmare to a swifter conclusion.

A spokesperson for the special counsel confirmed that his office has been receiving thousands of résumés a day from Americans begging to do anything to help Mueller “move things along.”

“We saw a big surge in interest after the bust on Paul Manafort’s house,” the spokesperson said.

“A lot of folks were devastated that they didn’t get to play a part in that.”

The spokesperson said that, although the special counsel “really appreciates” the public’s interest in helping out, limitations on office space prevent Mueller from accommodating all of those who desperately want to pitch in.

“We hate to disappoint people, but we’re overwhelmed,” the spokesperson said.

“Right now, I have about five thousand résumés from people who just want to help investigate Jared.”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-willing-to-work-for-mueller-for-free-if-that-would-speed-things-up (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/millions-willing-to-work-for-mueller-for-free-if-that-would-speed-things-up)


I wonder how many of them want to clear trump and how many of them do not
works both ways
trump supporters want to get it done and move on!

[spurraider21]

Ducks couldn't tell it was one of Booboo's unfunny borowitz bits

[lefty]

Putin's plan is working

Put Trump in the White House, let him destroy Murica from within.
Make sure U.S goes to War with NK, knowing France, Germany and UK won't join them, watch US get c-stomped and their fake "most powerful country" rep go down the toilet.

:lol profit

[DarrinS]

Pity bump

[Spurminator]

Mueller stopped working to focus on Confederate monuments

[Pavlov]

Pity bumpIs there anything you won't be a preteen girl about?

[DarrinS]

Is there anything you won't be a preteen girl about?

Roasted

[Pavlov]

RoastedHow many posts do you have in this thread you pretend not to care about, Darrin?

[Chris]

Russia Special Counsel Mueller Worked with Radical Islamist Groups to Purge Anti-Terrorism Training Material Offensive to Muslims


Now that Robert Mueller has been appointed special counsel to investigate if Russia influenced the 2016 presidential election it’s worth reiterating his misguided handiwork and collaboration with radical Islamist organizations as FBI director. Judicial Watch exclusively obtained droves of records back in 2013 documenting how, under Mueller’s leadership, the FBI purged all anti-terrorism training material deemed “offensive” to Muslims after secret meetings between Islamic organizations and the FBI chief. Judicial Watch had to sue to get the records and published an in-depth report on the scandal in 2013 and a lengthier, updated follow-up in 2015.

As FBI director, Mueller bent over backwards to please radical Islamist groups and caved into their demands. The agency eliminated the valuable anti-terrorism training material and curricula after Mueller met with various Islamist organizations, including those with documented ties too terrorism. Among them were two organizations— Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)—named by the U.S. government as unindicted co-conspirators in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation terrorist financing case. CAIR is a terrorist front group with extensive links to foreign and domestic Islamists. It was founded in 1994 by three Middle Eastern extremists (Omar Ahmad, Nihad Awad and Rafeeq Jaber) who ran the American propaganda wing of Hamas, known then as the Islamic Association for Palestine.

The records obtained as part of Judicial Watch’s lawsuit show that Mueller, who served 12 years as FBI chief, met with the Islamist organizations on February 8, 2012 to hear their demands. Shortly later the director assured the Muslim groups that he had ordered the removal of presentations and curricula on Islam from FBI offices nationwide. The purge was part of a broader Islamist operation designed to influence the opinions and actions of persons, institutions, governments and the public at-large. The records obtained by Judicial Watch also show similar incidents of Islamic influence operations at the Departments of Justice and State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Obama White House.

Here are some of the reasons provided by Mueller’s FBI for getting rid of “offensive” training documents: “Article is highly inflammatory and inaccurately argues the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization.” It’s crucial to note that Mueller himself had previously described the Muslim Brotherhood as a group that supports terrorism in the U.S. and overseas when his agency provided this ludicrous explanation. Here’s more training material that offended the terrorist groups, according to the FBI files provided to Judicial Watch: An article claiming Al Qaeda is “clearly linked” to the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing; The Qur’an is not the teachings of the Prophet, but the revealed word of God; Sweeping generality of ‘Those who fit the terrorist profile best (for the present at least) are young male immigrants of Middle Eastern appearance;’ conflating Islamic Militancy with terrorism. The list goes on and on.

Mueller’s actions have had a widespread effect because many local law enforcement agencies followed the FBI’s lead in allowing Islamic groups like CAIR to dictate what anti-terrorism material could be used to train officers. Among them are police departments in three Illinois cities— Lombard, Elmhurst and Highland Park—as well as the New York Police Department (NYPD). In the case of the Lombard Police Department, CAIR asserted that the instructor of a training course called “Islamic Awareness as a Counter-Terrorist Strategy” was anti-Muslim though there was no evidence to support it. Like the FBI, Lombard officials got rid of the “offensive” course. The NYPD purged a highly-acclaimed report that’s proven to be a critical tool in terrorism investigations after three New York Muslims, two mosques and an Islamic nonprofit filed a lawsuit.

Considering Mueller’s role in much of this, it makes him a bizarre choice to lead the heated Russia investigation. The goal, apparently, is to determine of Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election and if President Donald Trump’s campaign colluded with Russian officials. In the Justice Department announcement, Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein describes Mueller as person who qualifies to lead the probe because he exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command. “Special Counsel Mueller will have all appropriate resources to conduct a thorough and complete investigation, and I am confident that he will follow the facts, apply the law and reach a just result,” according to Rosenstein.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/05/russia-special-counsel-mueller-conspired-radical-islamic-groups-fbi-chief/

[Pavlov]

The purge was part of a broader Islamist operation designed to influence the opinions and actions of persons, institutions, governments and the public at-large. :lol judicial watch

The public at large sure does like Islamic terror now that Mueller did det purge.

[Chris]

Among them were two organizations— Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)—named by the U.S. government as unindicted co-conspirators in the 2007 Holy Land Foundation terrorist financing case. CAIR is a terrorist front group with extensive links to foreign and domestic Islamists. It was founded in 1994 by three Middle Eastern extremists (Omar Ahmad, Nihad Awad and Rafeeq Jaber) who ran the American propaganda wing of Hamas, known then as the Islamic Association for Palestine.

The records obtained by Judicial Watch also show similar incidents of Islamic influence operations at the Departments of Justice and State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Obama White House.

Dollars to donuts this has Soros money written all over it. Why are these organizations influencing Mueller and the FBI? Obama gave them the green light, and now its just another mess Trump has to clean up.

[Pavlov]

Dollars to donuts this has Soros money written all over it. Why are these organizations influencing Mueller and the FBI? Obama gave them the green light, and now its just another mess Trump has to clean up.The FBI was trying to ensure cooperation with Muslims in the US in identifying and rooting out terrorists in their midst. You know, the kind of thing guys like you are always whining about. Judicial Watch churns up these scary narratives over innocuous declassified information they get to keep their donations rolling in.

:lol S:cryr:crys

[Chris]

Gather round the fire kids and let ol' Dick Morris squash that Russia narrative for you :tu

g6co1QUyJ0c&t

[Chris]

The FBI was trying to ensure cooperation with Muslims in the US in identifying and rooting out terrorists in their midst. You know, the kind of thing guys like you are always whining about. Judicial Watch churns up these scary narratives over innocuous declassified information they get to keep their donations rolling in.

:lol S:cryr:crys

That's an amazing spin job, color me impressed :lol

[Pavlov]

That's an amazing spin job, color me impressed :lol:lol Judicial Watch

[djohn2oo8]

897827708662579200
Rut Roh

[djohn2oo8]

897879774449872901
Kushner up next

[Chris]

oh boy Ukranian hackers are working hand in hand with ze Rooshans! We need an hero :cry

[Pavlov]

897879774449872901
Kushner up nextWell, Jack will have more time to investigate Comet Pizza.

[Reck]

oh boy Ukranian hackers are working hand in hand with ze Rooshans! We need an hero :cry

Pretty sad when 100% of your posts and presence here is to defend Trump. You should ask to be on their payroll at least. All this heavy lifting and not even being recognized for it.

Sad state of things.

[Pavlov]

Pretty sad when 100% of your posts and presence here is to defend Trump. You should ask to be on their payroll at least. All this heavy lifting and not even being recognized for it.

Sad state of things.Dude called a bona fide war hero an Islamist agent.

[Chris]

Pretty sad when 100% of your posts and presence here is to defend Trump. You should ask to be on their payroll at least. All this heavy lifting and not even being recognized for it.

Sad state of things.

He mopped the floor with her f'n ass!

[Chris]

Gather round the fire kids and let ol' Dick Morris squash that Russia narrative for you :tu

g6co1QUyJ0c&t

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FoxsfuzJ uJzCjm%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

[Pavlov]

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FoxsfuzJ uJzCjm%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1Give us the Cliff Notes of what Morris said over the 45 minute video you totally watched.

In your own words.

Thanks.

[Chris]

Give us the Cliff Notes of what Morris said over the 45 minute video you totally watched.

In your own words.

Thanks.

:cry do my homework for me :cry

[Pavlov]

:cry do my homework for me :cryMore like "prove you watched a 45 minute video of a Dick Morris in a pink shirt sitting in a pink chair."

Looks like you didn't.

Thanks for proving it.

[Chris]

More like "prove you watched a 45 minute video of a Dick Morris in a pink shirt sitting in a pink chair."

Looks like you didn't.

Thanks for proving it.

I did my research and have nary to prove. Try stepping outside your bubble for a few minutes; hell I watched Maddow for about 20 seconds the other night :tu

[RandomGuy]

:cry do my homework for me :cry

You posted a video as if it means something, and when someone asks you for a two sentence summary, you say "do my homework for me", i.e. trying to get someone else to do your work for you...

:lmao

The irony... it burns.

[Pavlov]

I did my research and have nary to prove. Try stepping outside your bubble for a few minutes; hell I watched Maddow for about 20 seconds the other night :tuNot 45. You aren't a reliable source of information since you can't even summarize a 45 minute video you totally watched.

[Chris]

Not 45. You aren't a reliable source of information since you can't even summarize a 45 minute video you totally watched.

Just say you refuse to watch the video. All that other nonsense is well...nonsense.

[Reck]

I did my research and have nary to prove. Try stepping outside your bubble for a few minutes; hell I watched Maddow for about 20 seconds the other night :tu

:lmao Jesus Christ. :lmao

[Pavlov]

Just say you refuse to watch the video. All that other nonsense is well...nonsense.I'll strongly consider watching it if you can summarize the 45 minutes first. It shouldn't be that hard for you since you totally watched the whole thing.

[Chris]

:lmao Jesus Christ. :lmao

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
-John 3:16

[Reck]

Just say you refuse to watch the video. All that other nonsense is well...nonsense.

But you watched it. Posted it.

You are the one expected to explain point A and B. Not tell the other guy who has no interest in watching said 45 minute video to watch it.

[Pavlov]

You can tell Chris is beat when he retreats to scripture.

[Chris]

I'll strongly consider watching it if you can summarize the 45 minutes first. It shouldn't be that hard for you since you totally watched the whole thing.

He talks about the the CIA chief in Moscow disavowing any collusion. He talks about his tenure with Bill Clinton during his presidency to establish credibility. He explains the timeline and chain of events pre and post election. He fields questions about Russiagate.
It's a regular hoot and a holler - saavy?

[Chris]

You can tell Chris is beat when he retreats to scripture.

Not at all. He invoked the name ITT, not me.

[Clipper Nation]

Try stepping outside your bubble for a few minutes
:lmao

[Pavlov]

He talks about the the CIA chief in Moscow disavowing any collusion. He talks about his tenure with Bill Clinton during his presidency to establish credibility. He explains the timeline and chain of events pre and post election. He fields questions about Russiagate.
It's a regular hoot and a holler - saavy?Oh, Daniel Hoffman? Already read about him without watching Dick for 45 minutes. It's possible that the meeting with Uday was just to screw with the election in a general sense like he said, but I'm fine with investigating it fully to make sure.

Don't you want to be sure?

[Pavlov]

Not at all. He invoked the name ITT, not me.You don't have to slobber every time the bell rings.

[Thread]

Oh, Daniel Hoffman? Already read about him without watching Dick for 45 minutes. It's possible that the meeting with Uday was just to screw with the election in a general sense like he said, but I'm fine with investigating it fully to make sure.

Don't you want to be sure?

You'll talk to everybody in sentences & candor except me.

What, I'm a butter & egg man? I got cooties?

[Chris]

Oh, Daniel Hoffman? Already read about him without watching Dick for 45 minutes. It's possible that the meeting with Uday was just to screw with the election in a general sense like he said, but I'm fine with investigating it fully to make sure.

Don't you want to be sure?

Ok that's fine, but by that same token don't we want to be sure about the Clinton mafia as well? You routinely laugh off investigations into Hillary and Bill. Don't you dare ding me.

[Pavlov]

Ok that's fine, but by that same token don't we want to be sure about the Clinton mafia as well? You routinely laugh off investigations into Hillary and Bill. Don't you dare ding me.*ding*

Sorry. I have to stick with the shtick.

I routinely laugh at the Clinton investigations because they've been completed several times over with no charges. Which one do you want to start up again?

[RandomGuy]

I'll strongly consider watching it if you can summarize the 45 minutes first. It shouldn't be that hard for you since you totally watched the whole thing.

Dude, stoppp.. hehehehehe

[Chris]

*ding*

Sorry. I have to stick with the shtick.

I routinely laugh at the Clinton investigations because they've been completed several times over with no charges. Which one do you want to start up again?

There's a laundry list of them.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/above-the-law-hillarys-huge-scandal-list-explodes-to-25/

You could probably knock half of them out just by investigating the Clinton Foundation.

[Clipper Nation]

Mueller Time!

Special counsel's Russia probe loses top FBI investigator

One of the FBI (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/robert-s.-mueller.htm)'s top investigators, tapped by special counsel Robert Mueller just weeks ago to help lead the probe of Russian meddling in last year's presidential election, has left Mueller's team, sources tell ABC News.

The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead.

It's unclear why Strzok stepped away from Mueller's team of nearly two dozen lawyers, investigators and administrative staff. Strzok, who has spent much of his law enforcement career working counterintelligence cases and has been unanimously praised by government officials who spoke with ABC News, is now working for the FBI's human resources division.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486)

[Chris]

^ TeamMueller losing credibility day after day

[Reck]

Mueller Time!

Special counsel's Russia probe loses top FBI investigator

One of the FBI (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/robert-s.-mueller.htm)'s top investigators, tapped by special counsel Robert Mueller just weeks ago to help lead the probe of Russian meddling in last year's presidential election, has left Mueller's team, sources tell ABC News.

The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead.

It's unclear why Strzok stepped away from Mueller's team of nearly two dozen lawyers, investigators and administrative staff. Strzok, who has spent much of his law enforcement career working counterintelligence cases and has been unanimously praised by government officials who spoke with ABC News, is now working for the FBI's human resources division.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsels-russia-probe-loses-top-fbi-investigator/story?id=49249486)

Wow that is quite the demotion.

He went from working in the FBI then being recruited into working in this high profile case to being essentially benched at the HR department?

[Pavlov]

There's a laundry list of them.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/above-the-law-hillarys-huge-scandal-list-explodes-to-25/

You could probably knock half of them out just by investigating the Clinton Foundation.:lmao WND

[Pavlov]

^ TeamMueller losing credibility day after dayHow is that a loss of credibility, Chris?

[Chris]

How is that a loss of credibility, Chris?

"The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead."

I can has reading skills.

[Pavlov]

"The recent departure of FBI veteran Peter Strzok is the first known hitch in a secretive probe that by all public accounts is charging full-steam ahead."

I can has reading skills.How is this a loss of credibility, Chris?

In your own words.

[SnakeBoy]

896392926187704322

Probably just a quicken error, make him Secretary of Treasury

[Reck]

Also if you could explain the reasoning behind his demotion, that would be great.

[hater]

The Russiagate Hoax is falling faster than Nancy Pelosis face :lol

[Chris]

TeamMueller's on the hunt! Are they investigating Russia collusion or Trump's tax returns? Who knows!

[Pavlov]

TeamMueller's on the hunt! Are they investigating Russia collusion or Trump's tax returns? Who knows!Damn, you're shook.

[hater]

Mueller is too much of a pussy to uncover anything but who stole the milk from the White House kitchen :lmao

Shoulda put Judge Judy on the case

[Chris]

Damn, you're shook.

Tell me more about verterans in your own words please.

[Pavlov]

Tell me more about verterans in your own words please.Sure, what do you want to know about veterans?

[Chris]

Sure, what do you want to know about veterans?

How many voted for Trump?

[Reck]

How many voted for Trump?

What a waste of a question. You can find that via a google search....maybe.

That also doesn't gauge how much someone knows about veterans.

[Chris]

What a waste of a question. You can find that via a google search....maybe.

That also doesn't gauge how much someone knows about veterans.

You've got your shield out today. Good for you tbh :tu

[Pavlov]

How many voted for Trump?Several. The complete number is not known because, you know, secret ballot.

Or maybe you don't know that. I'd believe that.

[TSA]

Also if you could explain the reasoning behind his demotion, that would be great.

Reasoning wasn't given but found this interesting considering the makeup of the rest of Mueller's team.

"As chief of the FBI's counterespionage section last year, he helped oversee the FBI's investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, and he took part in the FBI interview of the Democratic presidential candidate."

[Pavlov]

Reasoning wasn't given but found this interesting considering the makeup of the rest of Mueller's team.

"As chief of the FBI's counterespionage section last year, he helped oversee the FBI's investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server, and he took part in the FBI interview of the Democratic presidential candidate."And this is interesting why?

[TSA]

And this is interesting why?

Did you stop reading after the word considering?

[Chris]

.

[Chris]

.

[Pavlov]

Did you stop reading after the word considering?No, I'm still wondering why this is all interesting to you.

Now I know you won't answer since you decided to just bitch, so I can just conclude it's not really interesting at all.

[TSA]

No, I'm still wondering why this is all interesting to you.

Now I know you won't answer since you decided to just bitch, so I can just conclude it's not really interesting at all.
Already explained in my first post. Ask again and you'll receive the same answer.

[Pavlov]

Already explained in my first post. Ask again and you'll receive the same answer.I told you all you are going to do is bitch. I'm not asking you again because all you are going to do is bitch.

You just wanted to plant some more innuendo and then run away again. Grow a spine, dude.

[Chris]

Lock her up!


After being caught hiding the truth from the American people, the FBI has just “reopened” our FOIA case.

The ACLJ just received a letter from the FBI bureaucracy informing us that it has “reopened” our Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request into the clandestine meeting between former Obama Attorney General Lynch and former President Clinton while the Department of Justice (DOJ) and FBI were conducting a criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton.

The FBI’s letter – dated one week after we publicly excoriated the FBI for lying to us when the Comey-led FBI told us last October that it had “no” records responsive to our request – now states that “records potentially responsive to your request may exist.”

It is unbelievable that the FBI bureaucracy still only admits that some documents “may exist.”

https://aclj.org/government-corruption/breaking-fbi-reopening-aclj-foia-request-on-clinton-lynch-meeting-after-being-caught-in-a-lie

[Pavlov]

her*ding*

[TSA]

I told you all you are going to do is bitch. I'm not asking you again because all you are going to do is bitch.

You just wanted to plant some more innuendo and then run away again. Grow a spine, dude.

^^^
example of bitching

[djohn2oo8]

Also if you could explain the reasoning behind his demotion, that would be great.

Strzok a mole. Mueller knew. Hence the demotion.

[Pavlov]

^^^
example of bitchingI have a problem with people who are afraid of discussing anything on a discussion board.

[TSA]

I have a problem with people who are afraid of discussing anything on a discussion board.

Bitch about it some more.

[TSA]

Strzok a mole. Mueller knew. Hence the demotion.

Mole for who?

[djohn2oo8]

Mole for who?

Trump.

[TSA]

Trump.

Where did you read this and why did Mueller bring him on the team in the first place?

[Pavlov]

Bitch about it some more.


Mole for who?Refuses to answer question. Immediately asks question.

[Pavlov]

Where did you read this and why did Mueller bring him on the team in the first place?Another question.

[TSA]

Refuses to answer question. Immediately asks question.

Your question was answered and you are now bitching about a conversation you aren't even involved in.

[TSA]

Another question.

Another bitch post.

[Pavlov]

Your question was answered and you are now bitching about a conversation you aren't even involved in.Actually it wasn't. You just wanted to shut down any discussion of your alleged point. I don't know why but you are super defensive about it now.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
-John 3:16


Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.” Genesis 22:2

[djohn2oo8]

898016932309237760
Mueller has them records

[Chris]

YUGE

Julian Assange met a congressman and vows that he can prove Russia did not leak him documents.


thehill.com reports: Julian Assange told a U.S. congressman on Tuesday he can prove the leaked Democratic Party documents he published during last year’s election did not come from Russia and promised additional helpful information about the leaks in the near future.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican who is friendly to Russia and chairs an important House subcommittee on Eurasia policy, became the first American congressman to meet with Assange during a three-hour private gathering at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where the WikiLeaks founder has been holed up for years,

Rohrabacher recounted his conversation with Assange to The Hill.

“Our three-hour meeting covered a wide array of issues, including the WikiLeaks exposure of the DNC emails during last year's presidential election,” Rohrabacher said, “Julian emphatically stated that the Russians were not involved in the hacking or disclosure of those emails.
Pressed for more detail on the source of the documents, Rohrabacher said he had information to share privately with President Donald Trump.

“Julian also indicated that he is open to further discussions regarding specific information about the DNC email incident that is currently unknown to the public,” he added.


http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346904-assange-meets-us-congressman-vows-to-prove-russia-did-not-leak-him

[Pavlov]

YUGE

Julian Assange met a congressman and vows that he can prove Russia did not leak him documents.lol Rohrabacher

[boutons_deux]

Newly Leaked Emails Just Revealed Trump Family Implicated In $350 Million Fraud Investigation

all collaborating in a $350 million dollar bank fraud related to the Trump SoHo Condominium Hotel.

The fraud-riddled Trump SoHo project ultimately failed and was foreclosed upon by lenders in 2014 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/therealdeal.com/2014/11/21/cim-group-wins-trump-soho-in-bankruptcy-auction/amp/), but its legacy lives on in a byzantine web of lawsuits.

We’ve obtained leaked copies of those emails related to a key lawsuit related to the Trump SoHo (https://www.scribd.com/document/356250803/Felix-Satter-Email-Chain-Shows-Trump-Family-Met-About-His-Felony-Past) – which are embedded below – that outline the Trump family’s complicity in a major financial crime.

They show that Donald Trump and his three eldest children participated in a cover up in order to keep borrowing massive construction loans on the hotel they pitched on NBC’s Apprentice from failing during the financial downturn.

Three weeks ago, (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights)Bloomberg News reported (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-20/mueller-is-said-to-expand-probe-to-trump-business-transactions) that Mueller is focusing on the lower Manhattan Trump Soho Hotel deal and Vanity Fair reported r (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights)ecently that new emails reveal the Trump family’s participation in a criminal enterprise there.


The Russian money trail leads right through the president’s troubled project in downtown Manhattan. A series of e-mails reveals new details.


Now, the newly leaked email chain (https://www.scribd.com/document/356250803/Felix-Satter-Email-Chain-Shows-Trump-Family-Met-About-His-Felony-Past) also confirms a major German public television report (ZDF) (https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/zdfzoom/zdfzoom-gefaehrliche-verbindungen-100.html) on the Trump SoHo hotel.


ZDF interviewed an American national financial fraud expert Professor William Black, (https://www.law.umn.edu/profiles/william-k-black) who was told the sordid tale of the Trump SoHo frauds without being told the names of the participants.

He concluded that based on their thorough reporting that the

First Family participated in a business that was committing bank fraud in a pattern and a practice of illegal conduct which violated the federal racketeering laws known as the RICO Act.

A lawsuit by Trump’s former development partners Bayrock, the company led by a mafia associate & Russian-emigre Felix Sater, has already exposed a direct tie between Donald Trump’s New York City development activities at Trump SoHo and Vladimir Putin’s money (http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/06/21/new-lawsuit-just-revealed-trumps-cash-trail-putin/).

Former Bayrock executive Jody Kriss sued his former employer and Sater – who was Trump’s business partner and longtime advisor (https://thesternfacts.com/russian-mobster-felix-sater-advised-the-trump-campaign-d69f3a58d617) – for operating a criminal enterprise (RICO), committing bank fraud and refusing to pay employee-related bonuses he had earned.

As both a manager and member of Bayrock’s limited liability company which borrowed the money, Felix Sater both owned and operated the Trump SoHo project.

Anyone in the transaction who knew participated in the enterprise and hid that material fact from the bank if they knew about it, becomes the party to a criminal enterprise.

In mid-December 2007, New York Times publicly revealed (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/nyregion/17trump.html) that Felix Sater had secretly entered financial felony plea deal in the late 1990s, and was also convicted of a felony assault against the mafia associate from a bar fight.

Donald Trump, his daughter Ivanka and sons Don Jr. and Eric collectively demanded and presumably attended the important meeting to chew out Bayrock about the project, and specifically Felix Sater about his felony past.

Instead of informing banks and buyers about Sater’s criminal past, as was the Trump Organization’s obligation, the Trump family proceeded to keep the felony secret as Sater engaged in a scheme to hide his interests in the deal.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/16/newly-leaked-emails-just-revealed-trump-family-implicated-350-million-fraud-investigation/

[Reck]

YUGE

Julian Assange met a congressman and vows that he can prove Russia did not leak him documents.

Assange is a coward.

Likes to out people while he hides like a pussy.

[Reck]

Newly Leaked Emails Just Revealed Trump Family Implicated In $350 Million Fraud Investigation

all collaborating in a $350 million dollar bank fraud related to the Trump SoHo Condominium Hotel.

The fraud-riddled Trump SoHo project ultimately failed and was foreclosed upon by lenders in 2014 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/therealdeal.com/2014/11/21/cim-group-wins-trump-soho-in-bankruptcy-auction/amp/), but its legacy lives on in a byzantine web of lawsuits.

We’ve obtained leaked copies of those emails related to a key lawsuit related to the Trump SoHo (https://www.scribd.com/document/356250803/Felix-Satter-Email-Chain-Shows-Trump-Family-Met-About-His-Felony-Past) – which are embedded below – that outline the Trump family’s complicity in a major financial crime.

They show that Donald Trump and his three eldest children participated in a cover up in order to keep borrowing massive construction loans on the hotel they pitched on NBC’s Apprentice from failing during the financial downturn.

Three weeks ago, (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights)Bloomberg News reported (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-20/mueller-is-said-to-expand-probe-to-trump-business-transactions) that Mueller is focusing on the lower Manhattan Trump Soho Hotel deal and Vanity Fair reported r (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights)ecently that new emails reveal the Trump family’s participation in a criminal enterprise there.

The Russian money trail leads right through the president’s troubled project in downtown Manhattan. A series of e-mails reveals new details.


Now, the newly leaked email chain (https://www.scribd.com/document/356250803/Felix-Satter-Email-Chain-Shows-Trump-Family-Met-About-His-Felony-Past) also confirms a major German public television report (ZDF) (https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/zdfzoom/zdfzoom-gefaehrliche-verbindungen-100.html) on the Trump SoHo hotel.


ZDF interviewed an American national financial fraud expert Professor William Black, (https://www.law.umn.edu/profiles/william-k-black) who was told the sordid tale of the Trump SoHo frauds without being told the names of the participants.

He concluded that based on their thorough reporting that the

First Family participated in a business that was committing bank fraud in a pattern and a practice of illegal conduct which violated the federal racketeering laws known as the RICO Act.

A lawsuit by Trump’s former development partners Bayrock, the company led by a mafia associate & Russian-emigre Felix Sater, has already exposed a direct tie between Donald Trump’s New York City development activities at Trump SoHo and Vladimir Putin’s money (http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/06/21/new-lawsuit-just-revealed-trumps-cash-trail-putin/).

Former Bayrock executive Jody Kriss sued his former employer and Sater – who was Trump’s business partner and longtime advisor (https://thesternfacts.com/russian-mobster-felix-sater-advised-the-trump-campaign-d69f3a58d617) – for operating a criminal enterprise (RICO), committing bank fraud and refusing to pay employee-related bonuses he had earned.

As both a manager and member of Bayrock’s limited liability company which borrowed the money, Felix Sater both owned and operated the Trump SoHo project.

Anyone in the transaction who knew participated in the enterprise and hid that material fact from the bank if they knew about it, becomes the party to a criminal enterprise.

In mid-December 2007, New York Times publicly revealed (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/17/nyregion/17trump.html) that Felix Sater had secretly entered financial felony plea deal in the late 1990s, and was also convicted of a felony assault against the mafia associate from a bar fight.

Donald Trump, his daughter Ivanka and sons Don Jr. and Eric collectively demanded and presumably attended the important meeting to chew out Bayrock about the project, and specifically Felix Sater about his felony past.

Instead of informing banks and buyers about Sater’s criminal past, as was the Trump Organization’s obligation, the Trump family proceeded to keep the felony secret as Sater engaged in a scheme to hide his interests in the deal.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/16/newly-leaked-emails-just-revealed-trump-family-implicated-350-million-fraud-investigation/




:wow
AaronY is gonna need to start calling djohn2oo8 his daddy pretty soon.

[AaronY]

If Trump gets impeached then I win anyway because I can't stand him LOL

[AaronY]

And you supposed to say boom in all caps when you're crying wolf in here.

Ask Djohn he's the expert at crying wolf in here 24/7 365 and flushing our credibility down the toilet with a 1001 false alarms

[boutons_deux]

Longtime Trump business partner ‘told family he knows he and POTUS are going to prison’

Felix Sater,

one of Donald Trump’s shadiest former business partners, is reportedly preparing for prison time — and he says the president will be joining him behind bars.

Sater, who

has a long history of legal troubles (https://thinkprogress.org/https-thinkprogress-org-felix-sater-news-bad-for-trump-99e4ebe9a1ad/) and is cooperating with law enforcement

, was one of the major players responsible for selling Trump’s condos to the Russians.

And according to Wood’s sources,

Sater may have already flipped and given prosecutors the evidence

they need to make a case against Trump.


For several weeks there have been rumours that Sater is ready to rat again, agreeing to help Mueller.

‘He has told family and friends he knows he and POTUS are going to prison,’ someone talking to Mueller’s investigators informed me.

Sater hinted in an interview earlier this month that

he may be cooperating with both Mueller’s investigation and congressional probes of Trump.

“In about the next 30 to 35 days, I will be the most colourful character you have ever talked about,”

Sater told New York Magazine (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/forget-charlottesville-russia-is-still-the-true-trump-scandal/).

“Unfortunately, I can’t talk about it now, before it happens. And believe me, it ain’t anything as small as whether or not they’re gonna call me to the Senate committee.”

An attack on former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort by the National Enquirer — a friendly outlet for the president — suggests that

he may have already turned over damaging evidence to authorities.


http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/longtime-trump-business-partner-told-family-he-knows-he-and-potus-are-going-to-prison-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Just "hearsay", consistent with lots of other stuff in Trash's history, but anything's better than all y'all rubes spouting Alex Jones/Breitbart fantasies.

Sater is an ex-con

[boutons_deux]

Felix Sater?

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article164077497.html

[RandomGuy]

Mueller’s team is looking at the Trump SoHo hotel condominium development, which was a licensing deal with Bayrock Capital LLC. In 2010, the former finance director of Bayrock filed a lawsuit claiming the firm structured transactions in fraudulent ways to evade taxes. Bayrock was a key source of capital for Trump projects, including Trump SoHo.

New emails have surfaced, suggesting potential RICO charges stemming from bank fraud.

The Russian money trail leads right through the president’s troubled project in downtown Manhattan. A series of e-mails reveals new details.
BY CRAIG UNGER


A decade later, of course, much has changed. Bayrock, which was once located in Trump Tower, is now defunct. Trump SoHo has been involved in ongoing litigation, including a lawsuit claiming that it was partly financed from “questionable sources,” as the Times would put it, from Russia and Kazakhstan. More recently, it has again found itself at the center of a new scandal. As Bloomberg News reported on July 20, Trump SoHo is among the targets special counsel Robert Mueller is scrutinizing in his probe into ties between the president and Russia. Mueller’s mandate, of course, is investigating possible collusion relating to the 2016 presidential election. The fact that Bayrock, which began working with Trump nearly 15 years ago, is now in his sights suggests that he understands that Russian-intelligence tradecraft is often indistinguishable from business, with its operatives navigating international flows of capital. In Vladimir Putin’s regime, business and organized crime and intelligence are often intertwined, and can all be used as weapons of the state. Mueller’s investigators are looking to unravel this web by following the money. And one company that potentially questionable Russian money flowed through was Bayrock.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights

[RandomGuy]

Another bitch post.


A decade later, of course, much has changed. Bayrock, which was once located in Trump Tower, is now defunct. Trump SoHo has been involved in ongoing litigation, including a lawsuit claiming that it was partly financed from “questionable sources,” as the Times would put it, from Russia and Kazakhstan. More recently, it has again found itself at the center of a new scandal. As Bloomberg News reported on July 20, Trump SoHo is among the targets special counsel Robert Mueller is scrutinizing in his probe into ties between the president and Russia. Mueller’s mandate, of course, is investigating possible collusion relating to the 2016 presidential election. The fact that Bayrock, which began working with Trump nearly 15 years ago, is now in his sights suggests that he understands that Russian-intelligence tradecraft is often indistinguishable from business, with its operatives navigating international flows of capital. In Vladimir Putin’s regime, business and organized crime and intelligence are often intertwined, and can all be used as weapons of the state. Mueller’s investigators are looking to unravel this web by following the money. And one company that potentially questionable Russian money flowed through was Bayrock.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/08/why-robert-mueller-has-trump-soho-in-his-sights

Mueller time.

The charges potentially include bank fraud and RICO against Trump and his family.

We may get to see his children testifying against him.

[RandomGuy]

Once it unravels, don't expect to see much loyalty to Trump, either from his children or employees.

They all know he will throw them under the bus to save his own skin.

[RandomGuy]

Because this deposition was marked “Confidential” and kept under seal, Trump may not have expected it to become public, said attorney Lerner. Regardless, Trump’s knowledge of Sater’s past was now a matter of court record. And, according to Winer, if someone in Trump’s situation failed to investigate such allegations that person would be “open to charges of ‘willful blindness’ in terms of the knowledge he had.”

[Chris]

898184228185178112

[Pavlov]

:lol Rohrabacher represents the Russian congressional district.

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

YUGE

Julian Assange met a congressman and vows that he can prove Russia did not leak him documents.YUGER

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[Spurminator]

This is my surprised face.

[Chris]

YUGER

898260958568751104

From the same website :lmao

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/donald-trump-is-a-nazi-sympathizer/

foreignpolicy.com :lmao

Thank you Rumphumper :lmao

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

From the same website :lmao

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/donald-trump-is-a-nazi-sympathizer/

foreignpolicy.com :lmao

Thank you Rumphumper :lmaoChris still doesn't know the difference between news and opinion.

Or who John Pershing is.

Or how to tell what fake news is.

Thank you, Chris -- for making literally everyone else here feel intellectually superior to at least one guy here.

[Chris]

:cry muh russians :cry
:cry muh mueller :cry
:cry muh troll account :cry
:cry muh schtick :cry
:cry muh life :cry

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

Sorry you don't know who Pershing is, but it doesn't make it less pathetic dude.

[Chucho]

^^^ But he went to college...dunno how well it's paying off. Maybe he majored in shit-forum posting and no true livelihood.

[Chucho]

Chump being taken to task by Chris. :lol

But..but...college, right?? :lmao

[Pavlov]

^^^ But he went to college...dunno how well it's paying off. Maybe he majored in shit-forum posting and no true livelihood.


Chump being taken to task by Chris. :lol

But..but...college, right?? :lmaolol so dedicated

[Chris]

Sorry you don't know who Pershing is, but it doesn't make it less pathetic dude.

I could have looked it up in 5 seconds and claimed otherwise. It is really pathetic and petty of you to hold that over my head.

[Pavlov]

I could have looked it up in 5 seconds and claimed otherwise. It is really pathetic and petty of you to hold that over my head.I shouldn't have been do surprised, I admit.

[Chucho]

lol so dedicated


Not as much as you are to Chris, sweetie. Have you denounced Antifa yet? And, what's better cold; ravioli or spaggetios?

[Pavlov]

Not as much as you are to Chris, sweetie. Have you denounced Antifa yet? And, what's better cold; ravioli or spaggetios?I'm not for violent demonstrations of any kind. Thanks for all the continued attention. Post some more about me, m'kay? I saw you try to post about topics a couple of times. It didn't work.

[Chucho]

I'm not for violent demonstrations of any kind. Thanks for all the continued attention. Post some more about me, m'kay? I saw you try to post about topics a couple of times. It didn't work.
:lol LOL coping mechs and low-grade psyche attacks.

I've 2% of the volume on this forum that you have. Use that "college education" to come a bit better, sweetie. Go follow your low hanging fruit, Chris for your self-esteem boosts.


I will be real for 1 minute tho, I do envy you for all the free time you've got on your hands.

[RandomGuy]

How is this a loss of credibility, Chris?

In your own words.


A former FBI agent who worked with Strzok on and off over several years in the bureau's counterintelligence division said that Strzok's move to HR means he has now been separated from counterintelligence work altogether.

The FBI sometimes parks agents in the human resources department, the agent explained, when they need to be reassigned quickly away from substantive matters and there's no other place to put them. Christopher Wray, who was confirmed as the new FBI director two weeks ago, would have played a role in reassigning Strzok.

Strzok headed the FBI's counterespionage division last year and was one of the top officials overseeing the criminal investigation into whether Hillary Clinton mishandled classified information while she was secretary of state. He had previously worked on some of the "most secretive investigations in recent years involving Russian and Chinese espionage," according to the New York Times.

Rangappa noted that the DOJ's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) opened an investigation in January into the FBI's handling of the email probe, including former FBI Director James Comey's decision to announce a new inquiry into her email server 11 days before the election. It is not clear whether Strzok, who supervised elements of the email probe, was caught up in the OIG investigation.

The only thing damaged here is TSA's theory. This guy was in up to his neck in the Hillary email thing. His departure does not seem consistent with an investigation that is headed that way.

Best guess is that the internal investigation found that he did something seriously wrong.

[RandomGuy]

Not as much as you are to Chris, sweetie. Have you denounced Antifa yet? And, what's better cold; ravioli or spaggetios?

Spaggetios.

Some people like the meatballs, I think they are too mealy, especially cold.

[boutons_deux]

Best guess is that the internal investigation found that he did something seriously wrong.

He may have pushed Comey to say "we found some emails, don't know what, yet, but just so you (it won't have any impact on the campaign)" which pushed Trash over the top in MI, WI, PA by 80K total votes.

Apparently there was a very strong misogynist FBI cell in NYC that was going to leak Hillary stuff so Comey felt he had to move before they did.

[Pavlov]

:lol LOL coping mechs and low-grade psyche attacks.

I've 2% of the volume on this forum that you have. Use that "college education" to come a bit better, sweetie. Go follow your low hanging fruit, Chris for your self-esteem boosts.


I will be real for 1 minute tho, I do envy you for all the free time you've got on your hands.Keep following. Maybe I'll throw you another crumb. At least Chris will try to make discussion on a discussion board. You're just here for me.

[Chucho]

Spaggetios.

Some people like the meatballs, I think they are too mealy, especially cold.


Never had them cold, but used to prefer the HCF ravioli compared to Chef Boyardee when I was a youngin.

[Chucho]

Keep following. Maybe I'll throw you another crumb. At least Chris will try to make discussion on a discussion board. You're just here for me.

:lmao

Low-grade psyche attacks all day, huh sweetie? And trying to prop this place up by calling it a "discussion board" to justify the time you've dedicated here. :rollin

Just Neal with it, you suuuuuuccccckkkkkkkk in real life.

[Pavlov]

:lmao

Low-grade psyche attacks all day, huh sweetie? And trying to prop this place up by calling it a "discussion board" to justify the time you've dedicated here. :rollin

Just Neal with it, you suuuuuuccccckkkkkkkk in real life.:lol proving me right again.

Post about me some more.

[boutons_deux]

Piercing the Veil of Secrecy Shrouding the Trump Deal in the Republic of Georgia

The deal in Georgia was not a particularly unusual one for the Trump Organization and it raises some of the same questions as many other deals Trump did from that time period around the world,

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/piercing-the-veil-of-secrecy-shrouding-the-trump-deal-in-the-republic-of-georgia?mbid=nl_TNY%20Template%20-%20With%20Photo%20(41)&CNDID=43758549&spMailingID=11719292&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1221564894&spReportId=MTIyMTU2NDg5NAS2

[Chris]

uh oh Spaghettios!


According to a new report Barack Obama failed to inform 21 states that the Russians were attempting to hack their voting systems.

The Daily Caller reported: State election officials still don’t know which 21 of their jurisdictions Russian hackers targeted, The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group has learned.

Secretaries of state — who are the top election officials in 40 states — told TheDCNF they were shocked to learn of the Russian hacking when Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials first divulged it at a June 21, 2017, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing.

“We can’t find any secretaries of state who say they have been told they are part of this list of ‘targeted’ states.” said a spokeswoman for the National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS), which is the oldest nonpartisan professional organization for public officials, representing top state election officials in all 50 states, plus the District of Columbia and U.S. territories.

The testimony of Jeanette Manfra, acting deputy undersecretary for cybersecurity and communications at DHS’s National Protection and Programs Directorate, before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence stunned NAAS.

“We have evidence of election-related systems in 21 states that were targeted,” she said.

http://amp.dailycaller.com/2017/08/15/exclusive-obama-never-told-21-states-russians-were-hacking-their-voting-systems/

[Pavlov]

uh oh Spaghettios!Chris acknowledges Russian election hack attempts.

[Chris]

Chris acknowledges CIA election hack attempts.

[Chris]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20841082_1660543193996922_5111879635660347437_n.jp g?oh=396f9190cdfd4bdd2e3b5e88be20d93c&oe=5A398C48

[Pavlov]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20841082_1660543193996922_5111879635660347437_n.jp g?oh=396f9190cdfd4bdd2e3b5e88be20d93c&oe=5A398C48Except for the fact we're still talking about Russia, your meme is totes right.

[Chris]

SALON ADMITS THE RUSSIAN HACKING STORY IS A HOAX


On the eve of Julian Assange announcing he can prove the DNC Russian hacking story is a hoax, Salon admits that the ‘hack’ may have been a ‘leak’.

Irish freelance journalist and Salon contributor Danielle Ryan questions the official DNC narrative that Russians were responsible for the email leak that compromised Clinton’s chance at the Oval Office in the 2016 election. Ryan indicts both the media and the DNC in their willingness to promote what may turn out to be a hoax carried out on the American people.

If all this [Russian hoax] is true, these findings would constitute a massive embarrassment for not only the DNC itself but the media, which has breathlessly pushed the Russian hacking narrative for an entire year, almost without question but with little solid evidence to back it up.

Ryan points to a report, compiled by a variety of intelligence experts affiliated with Disobedient Media, that implies, based on forensic evidence, that the “DNC suffered an insider leak, conducted in the Eastern time zone of the United States by someone with physical access to a DNC computer’.

The report claims there is no evidence that the hacker known as Guccifer 2.0 infiltrated the DNC and no evidence that Guccifer sent documents to Assange and Wikileaks. The speed at which information was downloaded suggests that someone with physical access to a computer in the DNC HQ accessed files, which were then processed to appear that Russian handling had occurred.

Investigators found that 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded locally on July 5, 2016. The information was downloaded with a memory key or some other portable storage device. The download operation took 87 seconds — meaning the speed of transfer was 22.7 megabytes per second — “a speed that far exceeds an internet capability for a remote hack,” as Lawrence puts it. What’s more, they say, a transoceanic transfer would have been even slower (Guccifer claimed to be working from Romania).

If files downloaded from a DNC computer running an American (as opposed to a Russian) OS were sent to Assange, he would be able to reveal files and keys affiliated with the original OS registry, offering definitive proof that the Russian hack is really a Russian hoax.

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/08/salon-admits-the-russian-hacking-story-is-a-hoax/

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[Pavlov]

SALON ADMITS THE RUSSIAN HACKING STORY IS A HOAXHey, your favorite pedophile advocate.

What about the earlier hacks, Chris?

[Reck]

Chris is Thread's retarded long lost child.

[Chris]

Chris is Thread's retarded long lost child.

Is it Mueller time yet?

[RandomGuy]

Piercing the Veil of Secrecy Shrouding the Trump Deal in the Republic of Georgia

The deal in Georgia was not a particularly unusual one for the Trump Organization and it raises some of the same questions as many other deals Trump did from that time period around the world,

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/piercing-the-veil-of-secrecy-shrouding-the-trump-deal-in-the-republic-of-georgia?mbid=nl_TNY%20Template%20-%20With%20Photo%20(41)&CNDID=43758549&spMailingID=11719292&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1221564894&spReportId=MTIyMTU2NDg5NAS2


Trump appears to have dug himself out of the bankruptcy hole using dirty money.

It wasn't his business acumen that did it, it was his willingness to look the other way. That will not be too hard for Mueller to find, and potentially compromising transactions involving Russians is perfectly within the special prosecutors purview.

[Reck]

Trump appears to have dug himself out of the bankruptcy hole using dirty money.

It wasn't his business acumen that did it, it was his willingness to look the other way. That will not be too hard for Mueller to find, and potentially compromising transactions involving Russians is perfectly within the special prosecutors purview.

Yep. It's crazy the amount of fuckery you will come accross reading about Trump's dealings with some russians oligarchs right around the time he was about to go completely out of business.

All of a sudden he was up and running again. That kind of quick turn around of fortunes doesn't just happen.

[Chris]

6Epnaf8ELzY

[RandomGuy]

Yep. It's crazy the amount of fuckery you will come accross reading about Trump's dealings with some russians oligarchs right around the time he was about to go completely out of business.

All of a sudden he was up and running again. That kind of quick turn around of fortunes doesn't just happen.

Are Trumps statements on the forced reduction of Embassy staff in Moscow consistent with my theory?




But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest shit possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

Fact 6:
Donald Trump has gone out of his way to meet and talk with Putin privately in person, with no American witnesses. This is the only leader with which he has acted in this manner.

Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way.

Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about. This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

Bullshit conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.

"Trump warns of 'dangerous low' in Russia relations"
See Fact #3
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/russia-us-trump-putin-sanctions/

This statement is consistent with the theory and was predicted by it.
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The veto-proof sanctions bill on Russia from Congress forced him to do something. His signing statement says that his administration will ignore or attempt to bypass as much as possible.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/text-of-statement-trump-made-while-signing-russian-sanctions-bill-2017-08-02

This action is consistent with the theory, and predicted by it.
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Trumps newest Russian statements go out of their way to be obsequious and servile.



“As far as I'm concerned I'm very thankful that he let go of a large number of people because now we have a smaller payroll,” Trump said at a briefing at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey on Thursday.

"We'll save a lot of money," he added.

:wow

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[Pavlov]

6Epnaf8ELzYYou can tell the Russia probe is getting to people when they say it's falling apart every day since it started. DickMo is just confirming.

[RandomGuy]

You can tell the Russia probe is getting to people when they say it's falling apart every day since it started. DickMo is just confirming.

Pretty much.

It is the lie that sticks in people's head, even after they know it is a lie.

[boutons_deux]

I bet Sater, Manafort, Flynn have been shown the govt's irrefutable evidence of felonies, and have already or are negotiating plea deals to rat out Trash, his kids, his companies, all tied to Russian $100Ms, and maybe Rep of Georgia.

Hilarious if Wilbur Ross went down also for his Cyprus/Russian involvement.

[RandomGuy]

Yep. It's crazy the amount of fuckery you will come accross reading about Trump's dealings with some russians oligarchs right around the time he was about to go completely out of business.

All of a sudden he was up and running again. That kind of quick turn around of fortunes doesn't just happen.

What will ultimately be ironic is that Trumps business acumen consisted of looking the other way when no one else would touch this shit with a 10 foot pole.

That isn't business sense. That is the exact opposite.

[boutons_deux]

Republican Congressmen Just Met Assange To Suggest Trump Will Pardon Crimes Against Hillary

suggest that Donald Trump could pardon the Wikileaks publisher if he is charged with crimes for his role in harming Hillary Clinton’s campaign on behalf of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

the House GOP Foreign Affairs Committee member wants to give complete legal immunity to the very person who assisted his party in last year’s election by spreading stolen Democratic National Committee emails for Republican propaganda purposes.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/08/18/republican-congressmen-just-met-assange-suggest-trump-will-pardon-crimes-hillary/

[Chris]

So who here still believes that Russia hacked the elections to get Trump elected?

[clambake]

So who here still believes that Russia hacked the elections to get Trump elected?

never cared about that.


follow the money

[Pavlov]

:lol Chris asks this shit every day.

Then he says Hitler did nothing wrong.

[Chris]

follow the money

I agree tbh


:lol Chris asks this shit every day.

Then he says Hitler did nothing wrong.

Why can't you answer a simple question?

[djohn2oo8]

So who here still believes that Russia hacked the elections to get Trump elected?

17 Intel agencies.

[Pavlov]

I agree tbh



Why can't you answer a simple question?My answer is the same as every time you ask your stupid question. There is definitely enough that has been proved to happen to justify an investigation.

Which is happening.

[Clipper Nation]

17 Intel agencies.
Wrong:


A White House Memo article (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/25/us/politics/trumps-deflections-and-denials-on-russia-frustrate-even-his-allies.html) on Monday about President Trump's deflections and denials about Russia referred incorrectly to the source of an intelligence assessment that said Russia orchestrated hacking attacks during last year's presidential election. The assessment was made by four intelligence agencies — the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency. The assessment was not approved by all 17 organizations in the American intelligence community.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/pageoneplus/corrections-june-29-2017.html?_r=0

[djohn2oo8]

Wrong:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/pageoneplus/corrections-june-29-2017.html?_r=0

Where did I say it was 17 American intel Agencies? German intel, British intel have all passed over materials to US intel showing Trump's involvement.

[Reck]

Wrong:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/pageoneplus/corrections-june-29-2017.html?_r=0

Technically, yes.


Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which is an umbrella agency that oversees all 17 organizations.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/06/17-intelligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/

If the main agency that oversees all the organizations is saying yes, you can assume they speak for the rest.

Either way, I would just go with the consensus that the 4 main Intelligence Agencies affirms Russia meddled. I mean, what can the Coast Guard say about hacking? That's not their main job.

[Chris]

My answer is the same as every time you ask your stupid question. There is definitely enough that has been proved to happen to justify an investigation.

Which is happening.

Nothing has been proven. Mueller is wasting everyone's time.

[Reck]

Nothing has been proven. Mueller is wasting everyone's time.

Prove he is.

[Pavlov]

Nothing has been proven. Mueller is wasting everyone's time.Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with agents of the Russian government to discuss getting dirt on Trump's opponent in the presidential election.

Proved.

[Chris]

Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with agents of the Russian government to discuss getting dirt on Trump's opponent in the presidential election.

Proved.

Yup, and no dirt was delivered. Nothingburger.

[Pavlov]

Yup, and no dirt was delivered. Nothingburger.This is what the investigation is for.

[Reck]

So Chris cant say whether it's true that Mueller is wasting his time then?

[TSA]

Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager met with agents of the Russian government to discuss getting dirt on Trump's opponent in the presidential election.

Proved.

What crime was committed with the meeting?

[TSA]

Technically, yes.



http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/06/17-intelligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/

If the main agency that oversees all the organizations is saying yes, you can assume they speak for the rest.

Either way, I would just go with the consensus that the 4 main Intelligence Agencies affirms Russia meddled. I mean, what can the Coast Guard say about hacking? That's not their main job.

In saying nothing, the Coast Guard had a better assessment than the agencies that said the DNC was hacked.

[Pavlov]

What crime was committed with the meeting?This is what investigations are for.

Jesus, I have to hold your hand like Chris.

I'm content to let the investigation go where it may. Enough has happened to warrant it. Sorry.

[TSA]

This is what investigations are for.

Jesus, I have to hold your hand like Chris.

I'm content to let the investigation go where it may. Enough has happened to warrant it. Sorry.

What crime "might" have been committed with the meeting?

[Reck]

In saying nothing, the Coast Guard had a better assessment than the agencies that said the DNC was hacked.

How so? Because Julian Assange says so?

He keeps saying he has prove but doesn't provide said prove.

Sorry but I'll trust our agencies over Assange any day.

[Reck]

What crime "might" have been committed with the meeting?

Is enough to make Mueller add it to his investigation. Who knows what will come off it.

[Pavlov]

What crime "might" have been committed with the meeting?
It's a mistake to focus on ~20 minutes of a year-long campaign. The investigation started before the revelations of the meeting, so it's safe to say that's not the only reason for the investigation. I only used that as an example of what has already been proved.

I hope you understand.

[TSA]

How so? Because Julian Assange says so?

He keeps saying he has prove but doesn't provide said prove.

Sorry but I'll trust our agencies over Assange any day.

You don't need to take Assange word. Putting blind trust in our intelligence agencies lied us into Iraq.

I'll take these former intelligence guys over liars like Brennan any day.

Qualified experts working independently of one another began to examine the DNC case immediately after the July 2016 events. Prominent among these is a group comprising former intelligence officers, almost all of whom previously occupied senior positions. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), founded in 2003, now has 30 members, including a few associates with backgrounds in national-security fields other than intelligence. The chief researchers active on the DNC case are four: William Binney, formerly the NSA’s technical director for world geopolitical and military analysis and designer of many agency programs now in use; Kirk Wiebe, formerly a senior analyst at the NSA’s SIGINT Automation Research Center; Edward Loomis, formerly technical director in the NSA’s Office of Signal Processing; and Ray McGovern, an intelligence analyst for nearly three decades and formerly chief of the CIA’s Soviet Foreign Policy Branch. Most of these men have decades of experience in matters concerning Russian intelligence and the related technologies. This article reflects numerous interviews with all of them conducted in person, via Skype, or by telephone.

[TSA]

It's a mistake to focus on ~20 minutes of a year-long campaign. The investigation started before the revelations of the meeting, so it's safe to say that's not the only reason for the investigation. I only used that as an example of what has already been proved.

I hope you understand.

Can you pinpoint what started the investigation?

[Pavlov]

Can you pinpoint what started the investigation?

Hey, another game.

[TSA]

Hey, another game.

Hey, another dodge.

[Chris]

it's safe to say that's not the only reason for the investigation

Can you give us the other reasons in your own words please?

[Pavlov]

Hey, another dodge.
It's just another leading queston game. Get to your point.

[Pavlov]

Can you give us the other reasons in your own words please?There are plenty of reports of what is being investigated. There is a whole thread about it somewhere.

[TSA]

It's just another leading queston game. Get to your point.

There's no game you're simply dodging questions, and it seems to be your new schtick.

What do you think started the Russia investigation?

[TSA]

There are plenty of reports of what is being investigated. There is a whole thread about it somewhere.

Hey, another dodge.

[Chris]

I can't wait to use the "there's a thread about it somewhere" excuse in the future :lol

[TSA]

I can't wait to use the "there's a thread about it somewhere" excuse in the future :lol

Be sure to log in your ST notebook for future use.

[Pavlov]

There's no game you're simply dodging questions, and it seems to be your new schtick.

What do you think started the Russia investigation?Can't pinpoint it to your satisfaction . Get to your point.

[Pavlov]

I can't wait to use the "there's a thread about it somewhere" excuse in the future :lol
Charlotte

[Chris]

Be sure to log in your ST notebook for future use.

Believe me, it's set in stone :lol

[TSA]

Can't pinpoint it to your satisfaction . Get to your point.

An answer of any kind from you will satisfy me, as will another dodge.

What do you think started the Russia investigation?

[Pavlov]

An answer of any kind from you will satisfy me, as will another dodge.

What do you think started the Russia investigation?

Dunno. Probably some big Obama conspiracy. What do you think?

[TSA]

Dunno. Probably some big Obama conspiracy. What do you think?

I'll tell you what I think started the investigation if you answer my question honestly.

[Pavlov]

I'll tell you what I think started the investigation if you answer my question honestly.

Hey, another game. I'm sure you think it's a big Obama Rice conspiracy. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Reck]

Russian meddling into the 2016 elections for god's sake.

The Russian.....ivestigation....get it?

Move on people.

[Pavlov]

I can't wait to use the "there's a thread about it somewhere" excuse in the future :lolIt's this thread.

[Pavlov]

Here's a pretty good article on the issues surrounding Uday's meeting with some notable legal folk weighing in. I suggest TSA and Chris not read it and just whine some more.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/special-counsel-focuses-on-trumps-son?utm_term=.bxlZE8LrQr#.hbNw3QvpZp

[TSA]

Here's a pretty good article on the issues surrounding Uday's meeting with some notable legal folk weighing in. I suggest TSA and Chris not read it and just whine some more.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/special-counsel-focuses-on-trumps-son?utm_term=.bxlZE8LrQr#.hbNw3QvpZp

First I've read about Browder and the investment fund. The notable legal folks Trump Jr has nothing to worry about except a possible fine.

[Pavlov]

First I've read about Browder and the investment fund. The notable legal folks Trump Jr has nothing to worry about except a possible fine.With the known facts and in this instance, sure. This is what investigations are for -- something you keep missing when Republicans are involved.

[TSA]

With the known facts and in this instance, sure. This is what investigations are for -- something you keep missing when Republicans are involved.

I've repeatedly said to charge anyone that committed a crime. Think of the energy and resources wasted if this investigation ends in a couple campaign finance law charges.

[Blake]

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
-John 3:16

Genesis 6

6 The*Lord*regretted*that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.*
7*So the*Lord*said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.

[Pavlov]

I've repeatedly said to charge anyone that committed a crime. Think of the energy and resources wasted if this investigation ends in a couple campaign finance law charges.Oh, this is your concern, now? Really?

Sorry, I think the integrity of the US election system is well worth the price. If you don't, OK. I would want this done if Chelsea and Mook were meeting with Russian agents to get dirt on Trump.

[Blake]

God not taking responsibility for making fun babies

[TSA]

Oh, this is your concern, now? Really?

Sorry, I think the integrity of the US election system is well worth the price. If you don't, OK. I would want this done if Chelsea and Mook were meeting with Russian agents to get dirt on Trump.What if they were meeting with foreign agents from countries other than Russia, would you still want this done?

[Pavlov]

What if they were meeting with foreign agents from countries other than Russia, would you still want this done?Hey, another game! Which country TSA? You really just need to get to your point.

[TSA]

Hey, another game! Which country TSA? You really just need to get to your point.

Any country besides Russia. Would you still want the same?

[Pavlov]

Any country besides Russia. Would you still want the same?Hey, the same game! With the campaign manager, son and son in law meeting with foreign agents in a meeting solicited by the agents and set up by the son? Sure.

[Pavlov]

What if they were meeting with foreign agents from countries other than Russia, would you still want this done?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrL6lGQXgAAP4C0.jpg

Honestly, you should get Russia to pay you for supporting them so fervently.

[Chris]

:cry TSA quit pointing out flaws in my argument that I can't explain :cry

[Pavlov]

:cry TSA quit pointing out flaws in my argument that I can't explain :cryThere is zero chance you even know what is being discussed here.

[Chris]

:cry I'm losing badly time to attack the credibility of the source or the integrity of my opponent :cry

[Pavlov]

:cry I'm losing badly time to attack the credibility of the source or the integrity of my opponent :cryYou aren't my opponent you're not a source.

[TSA]

Hey, the same game! With the campaign manager, son and son in law meeting with foreign agents in a meeting solicited by the agents and set up by the son? Sure.

I appreciate you actually answering this time.

[Chris]

You aren't my opponent you're not a source.

"I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other. So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth!"
-Revelation 3:16

[Pavlov]

I appreciate you actually answering this time.Do you have a point? I'd appreciate your getting to it.

[Pavlov]

Here's a pretty good article on the issues surrounding Uday's meeting with some notable legal folk weighing in. I suggest TSA and Chris not read it and just whine some more.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/aramroston/special-counsel-focuses-on-trumps-son?utm_term=.bxlZE8LrQr#.hbNw3QvpZp


:cry TSA quit pointing out flaws in my argument that I can't explain :cry


:cry I'm losing badly time to attack the credibility of the source or the integrity of my opponent :cry


"I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other. So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth!"
-Revelation 3:16Went pretty much as expected tbh.

[Pavlov]

I appreciate you actually answering this time.


Do you have a point? I'd appreciate your getting to it.Well, if you ever have a point, let me know. I'm getting a bit peckish. Deciding what to eat. Maybe....

https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalmills.com/3668da62-8098-4547-886d-62c7b580670c.jpg

[Chris]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20842254_1296609253799235_8310855472367818122_n.jp g?oh=d40920c2ee3eec14e3279babf1161767&oe=5A20241D

[DarrinS]

Is this still a thing?

[Pavlov]

Is this still a thing?

Your snark is still a thing

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other. So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth!"
-Revelation 3:16

A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

[Chris]

A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

"And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, ...
-Exodus 20:1-26

[Reck]

Chris thinks being blasphemous is cool.

You better not believe in what you say you do or you'll end up on the hook.

:lol defending murder
:lol defending nazism

God loves that stuff.

[Chris]

Chris thinks being blasphemous is cool.

You better not believe in what you say you do or you'll end up on the hook.

:lol defending murder
:lol defending nazism

God loves that stuff.

Never said such.

[Pavlov]

Chris thinks being blasphemous is cool.

You better not believe in what you say you do or you'll end up on the hook.

:lol defending murder
:lol defending nazism

God loves that stuff.


Never said such.


Hitler did nothing wrong.
https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/powerpuff/images/9/9e/Smiley_hitler.jpg

[Chris]

facetious
[fuh-see-shuh s]
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adjective
1.
not meant to be taken seriously or literally:
a facetious remark.
2.
amusing; humorous.
3.
lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous:
a facetious person.