Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[djohn2oo8]

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i remember when TSA said Manafort had nothing to do with TRUMP

[Spurs Homer]

Why should that matter? Just speculate based on wishcasting. That's worked so far.

Except for the fact that those 30 some - sealed indictments - are all crimes committed by the same people you seem to defend at all costs.

Cannot for the life of me understand why people defend criminals, traitors & liars - and the ONLY real reason I can see -
is that your racism - will not allow you to stop defending a white supremacist who is your last best hope of preventing this country's melting pot from melting further.

Unfortunately for all you racist white supremacists, this cannot be stopped or reversed. Deal with it.

Otherwise - I would be happy to hear your reasons for defending crime. Defending criminals. Defending fraud against the USA.

[DMC]

Except for the fact that those 30 some - sealed indictments - are all crimes committed by the same people you seem to defend at all costs.

Cannot for the life of me understand why people defend criminals, traitors & liars - and the ONLY real reason I can see -
is that your racism - will not allow you to stop defending a white supremacist who is your last best hope of preventing this country's melting pot from melting further.

Unfortunately for all you racist white supremacists, this cannot be stopped or reversed. Deal with it.

Otherwise - I would be happy to hear your reasons for defending crime. Defending criminals. Defending fraud against the USA.

It's sealed but you know the contents.

I don't defend people. I challenge the veracity of your supernatural ability to know things that have yet to happen, and I laugh at your wishcasting.

I cannot be a white supremacist since I am native american.

[Spurs Homer]

It's sealed but you know the contents.

I don't defend people. I challenge the veracity of your supernatural ability to know things that have yet to happen, and I laugh at your wishcasting.

I cannot be a white supremacist since I am native american.

oh nativeamerican who defends a white supremacist

there seems to be a lot of that around here lol

wishcasting?

yeah maybe ... i wish that i was wrong and that trumps felonies (those already implicating him and those unsealed)
are all wrong and i wish my ears werent telling me he lies everday

i wish he had not been compromised by russia, uae, saudis,etc

[koriwhat]

oh nativeamerican who defends a white supremacist

there seems to be a lot of that around here lol

wishcasting?

yeah maybe ... i wish that i was wrong and that trumps felonies (those already implicating him and those unsealed)
are all wrong and i wish my ears werent telling me he lies everday

i wish he had not been compromised by russia, uae, saudis,etc

you've lied with this whole post so what makes you better than djt? lmao! sealed indictments you know the contents of... being compromised by russia et al because your make believe world tells you so...

what a crock of shit you are.

ps: on top of all this you get shown to be a hack with your bs insults and yet you don't concede but double down instead. you're probably the white supremacist tbh.

[Chucho]

LOL, racist SpursHomer thinks I'm DMC. I've no alt unlike he who wants to keep his batshittery separate from his main.

[Chucho]

..

[Pavlov]

Super duper secret testimony!
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Let the speculation begin!

I say it's Obama and Hillary.

[Chucho]

I cannot be a white supremacist since I am native american.


Oh shit. We are, huh? Need to edit my last post.

[Pavlov]

lol Black President drove old white men off the deep end.


A friend who has advised Flynn for years said Flynn felt compelled to abandon the tradition of cautious neutrality to save his country. The friend, who like many interviewed for this article agreed to speak only without being named to protect their relationships with Flynn, said the general came to view Obama as head of a worldwide crime cartel supporting jihadist ideas.

After the 2016 election, in the only meeting between Obama and then-President-elect Trump, the outgoing leader warned against the hiring of just one person: Flynn. Obama believed Flynn was dangerous — because of his performance as head of DIA, because of his incendiary statements about Islam, and because Flynn had appeared at the Moscow event staged in 2015 by RT.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/michael-flynn-partisan-warrior/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bfb37f59e0b3

[Spurs Homer]

you've lied with this whole post so what makes you better than djt? lmao! sealed indictments you know the contents of... being compromised by russia et al because your make believe world tells you so...

what a crock of shit you are.

ps: on top of all this you get shown to be a hack with your bs insults and yet you don't concede but double down instead. you're probably the white supremacist tbh.

I guess I made up all the indictments against all of the Trump administration?
Trump campaign mgr, trumps attorney, asst campaign mgr, foreign relations or whatever he was, Nat'l sec chief - all of them indicted/guilty/convicted -

all made up by me!

Russian spy - just plead guilty to working on Russian gov't behalf to infiltrate the NRA AND THE GOP!

This happened this week! (I made it up!)

Trump under investigation - everything - his businesses, his administration, his inauguration team, his entire corrupt criminal enterprise under investigation! All made up!

The tatted sleuth busted me!

:lol:lol:lol

[Pavlov]

Nice diphthongs tbh.

9JRQMD7rmEk

[koriwhat]

I guess I made up all the indictments against all of the Trump administration?
Trump campaign mgr, trumps attorney, asst campaign mgr, foreign relations or whatever he was, Nat'l sec chief - all of them indicted/guilty/convicted -

all made up by me!

Russian spy - just plead guilty to working on Russian gov't behalf to infiltrate the NRA AND THE GOP!

This happened this week! (I made it up!)

Trump under investigation - everything - his businesses, his administration, his inauguration team, his entire corrupt criminal enterprise under investigation! All made up!

The tatted sleuth busted me!

:lol:lol:lol

you have no clue what you speak of tbh just like the rest of us here so why act like you're some kind of insider? you're fucking laughable.

[djohn2oo8]

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lol Flynn

[spurraider21]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

1073670339345944577
:lol damn

[spurraider21]

"The defendant made those false statements while represented by counsel and after receiving an explicit warning that providing false information was a federal offense."

i mean, i dno what else there is

[djohn2oo8]

"The defendant made those false statements while represented by counsel and after receiving an explicit warning that providing false information was a federal offense."

i mean, i dno what else there is
Not sure why Flynn’s legal team tried to go that route that he was tricked.

[spurraider21]

Finally, the interviewing agents did not observe indicia of deception and had the impression at that time that the defendant was not lying or did not think he was lying. See Strzok 302 at 4. Members of the Presidential Transition Team were likewise misled by the defendant’s false denials. Those misimpressions do not change the fact—as the defendant has admitted in sworn testimony to this District Court—that he was indeed lying, and knowingly made false statements to FBI agents in a national security investigation. Those false statements were material, including by raising the question of why he was lying to the FBI, the Vice President, and others.
they provided the strzok 302

[djohn2oo8]

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lol

[LkrFan]

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Follow up:
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1) an Army General knows better
2) acting like he didn't speaks to his (lack of character)
3) I hope he loses his military retirement
4) he's a real dumbass

[spurraider21]

and on a later date when he had attorneys and was warned that giving false statements was a crime, he repeated the same lie.

that rebuts the claim that had he been warned or had counsel with him, that he wouldn't have made the same lie.

[clambake]

and on a later date when he had attorneys and was warned that giving false statements was a crime, he repeated the same lie

you faggot sissy and acting like you know shit. go live in fantasy and kill yourself, bitch ass

[Spurs Homer]

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Welp...

another deflating balloon of shit pops in TSA/Chris/ face!


:lol:lol:lol

[Spurs Homer]

Comey already testified to all of the above - and he even explained to them that although Flynn - did not show some of the same traits/mannerisms that criminal liars do (like Trump) - he WAS lying.

They reported this - that he did not APPEAR to be lying -he still was.

In other words - he didn't give himself away like most liars do - but it didn't change the fact that his testimony contradicted the truth and the evidence that the FBI already had.

But those GOP traitor idiots were like pit bulls going after texts, false hopes and their PARTISANSHIP could not allow them to see what was right in their face - instead they could only see that they had to find SOMETHING to help their corrupt criminal dear leader.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

Mr. "I shit the bed conspiracy theorist" - with the nothing-burger! :lol:lol

Mischaracterizing the Flynn lawyers brief - in the FIRST LINE! -

You idiot - here is what really happened and it was a BRILLIANT move from the FBI;

Comey described it all in his interview with Nicole Wallace...

Comey was the Director and they had gotten info on Flynn and decided they would need to speak to Flynn.
In a normal white house Comey says, they would have probably had a set of rules , a protocol to follow and white house counsel and a long chain of command to alert - but - he says - "this was the dysfunctional trump white house" so Comey said - ah what the heck I will just send a couple of agents over.

They called Flynn and he was in a jovial mood and seemed to be really open and even offered to show the agents around! :lol:lol

Two agents meet with Flynn and - THEY ADVISED HIM - "we can just chat - or if YOU'D LIKE - we can inform white house counsel and we can have a more formal mtg" - but Flynn waves them off and says no we can just chat. :lol:lol

So they did.

Then FLYNN LIED!!!!

:lol:lol

Brilliant!

You idiot - Flynn was not under arrest - we are not questioning "miranda" rights - this was a courtesy/informal FBI interview which was voluntary and at any time Flynn could have had counsel present - but - HE DECLINED!:lol:lol

The FBI had no obligation to flash warning lights and make a big production and announce some ominous danger to Flynn by just talking and answering a few questions. Flynn - on the other hand - as the top level white house big shot - could have used common sense - and -

told the truth!

Like most of Trump team though - he LIED

The FBI did nothing wrong at all - unless you are a retarded cult conspiracy theorist who believes that the entire USA intelligence community became rotten on the day that dear leader was fraudulently elected and installed by Russia.

Brilliant move by Comey to be cool, send a couple of agents over (which the Flynn attorneys were more than happy to name - because they knew cult trumptards would jizz in their panties immediately) and obtain great intel without alerting/tipping off anyone.

Probably because Flynn was already guilty - did he just wave off the proper white house protocol because - like a criminal who is guilty - he thought he could just think on his feet and bullshit the FBI without anyone at the white house becoming alarmed.

:lol:lol

FBI two steps ahead of the criminal traitors!


kinda like i said two days ago

[Chris]

Original 302 is M.I.A. :tu

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1073719415039057920

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1073724699652317184

[Winehole23]

Wanna bet, Chris?

If Judge Sullivan tosses the conviction on the 18th, I leave this board forever.

If he doesn't, you do.

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1073719415039057920


https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1073724699652317184Is this guy a lawyer or a gym teacher, Chris?

[Chris]

I don't gamble.

[Winehole23]

I don't gamble.Smart man, you'd lose.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1073726210281213958

[Winehole23]

Dude, I was the one who first brought up the Steven's prosecution ITT...in direct response to you.

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1073726210281213958How does this change the fact that Flynn lied to the FBI, Chris?

[Chris]

How does this change the fact that Flynn lied to the FBI, Chris?

Mueller suppressed evidence favorable to Flynn. Mueller is f'd and unfuckable.

[DMC]

oh nativeamerican who defends a white supremacist

there seems to be a lot of that around here lol

wishcasting?

yeah maybe ... i wish that i was wrong and that trumps felonies (those already implicating him and those unsealed)
are all wrong and i wish my ears werent telling me he lies everday

i wish he had not been compromised by russia, uae, saudis,etc

I'm waiting for you to produce one "unsealed" felony on Trump.

[djohn2oo8]

I don't gamble.
Those illegal servers think you should.

[Spurs Homer]

I'm waiting for you to produce one "unsealed" felony on Trump.

In time grasshopper ... in time!

[Chris]

https://cdn.shortpixel.ai/client/q_lossy,ret_img,w_200/https://saraacarter.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/RobynGritzIMG_0844-200x300.jpg


The Honorable Emmet G. Sullivan. December 5, 2018 U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia

333 Constitution Avenue, N.W.

Washington D.C. 20001

Re: Sentencing of Lt. General Michael T. Flynn (Ret.)

Dear Judge Sullivan:

I am submitting my letter directly since Mike Flynn’s attorney has refused to submit it as well as letters submitted by other individuals. I feel you need to hear from someone who was an FBI Special Agent who not only worked with Mike, but also has personally witnessed and reported unethical & sometimes illegal tactics used to coerce targets of investigations externally and internally.

About Myself and FBI Career

For 16 years, I proudly served the American people as a Special Agent working diligently on significant terrorism cases which earned noteworthy results and fostered substantial interagency cooperation. Prior to serving in the FBI I was a Juvenile Probation Officer in Camden, NJ. Currently, I am a Senior Information Security Metrics and Reporting Analyst with Discover Financial Services in the Chicago Metro area. I have recently been named as a Senior Fellow to the London Center for Policy Research.

While in the FBI, I served as a Special Agent, Supervisory Special Agent, Assistant Inspector, Unit Chief, and a Senior Liaison Officer to the CIA. I served on the NSC’s Hostage and Personnel Working Group and brought numerous Americans out of captivity and was part of the interagency team to codify policies outlining the whole of government approach to hostage cases.

In November 2007, I was selected over 26 other candidates to become the Supervisory Special Agent, CT Extraterritorial Squad; Washington Field Office (WFO) in Washington, DC. At WFO, I led a squad of experts in extraterritorial evidence collection, overseas investigations, operational security during terrorist attacks/events, and overseas criminal investigations. I coordinated and managed numerous high profile investigations (Blackwater, Chuckie Taylor, Robert Levinson, and other pivotal cases) comprised of teams from US and foreign intelligence, military, and law enforcement agencies. I was commended for displaying comprehensive leadership performance under pressure, extensive teamwork skills, while conducting critical investigative analysis within and outside the FBI.

In December 2009, I was promoted to GS-15 Unit Chief (UC) of the Executive Strategy Unit, Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate (WMDD). While the UC, I codified the WMDD five-year strategic plan, formulated goals and objectives throughout the division, while translating the material into a directorate scorecard with cascading measurements reflecting functional and operational unit areas. This was the only time in Washington, DC when I did not work with of for McCabe.

From September to December 2010, I was selected as the FBI’s top candidate to represent the FBI, and the USG in a rigorous, intellectually stimulating; 12 week course for civilian government officials, military officers, and government academics at the George C. Marshall Center in Garmisch, Germany, Executive Program in Advanced Security Studies. The class was comprised of 141 participants from 43 countries.

I have received numerous recommendations and commendations for my professionalism, liaison and interpersonal ability and experience. Additionally, I have been rated Excellent or Outstanding for my entire career, to include by Andrew McCabe when I was stationed at the Washington Field Office. Further, other awards of note are: West Chester University 2005 Legacy of Leadership recipient, Honored with House of Representatives Citation for Exemplary record of Service, Leadership, and Achievements: Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and Awarded with a framed Horn of Africa blood chit from the Department of Defense and Office of the DASD (POW/MPA/MIA) for my work in bringing Americans Out of captivity, “Patriot, Law Enforcement Warrior, and Friend.”

Length of Association with Flynn, McCabe, and Mueller

I met Michael Flynn in 2005, while working in the Counterterrorism Division (CTD) at FBI Headquarters (FBIHQ).

I met then Supervisory Special Agent Andrew McCabe, when he reported to CTD at FBIHQ, around the same time. McCabe subsequently was the Assistant Section Chief over my unit, my Assistant Special Agent in Charge at the Washington Field Office, and the Assistant Director (AD) over CTD when I encountered the discrimination and McCabe spearheaded the retaliation personally (according to documentation) against me.

I have known both men for 12-13 years and worked directly with both throughout my career. They are on the opposite spectrum of each other with regard to truthfulness, temperament, and ethics, both professionally and personally.

I regularly briefed former FBI Director and Special Prosecutor Mueller on controversial and complex cases and attended Deputies meetings at the White house with then Deputy Director Pistole. I got along with both and trusted both. Watching what has been done to Mike and knowing someone on the 7th floor had to have notified Mueller of my situation (Pistole had retired), has been significantly distressing to me.

Lt.G. Michael T. Flynn:

Mike and I were counterparts on a DOJ-termed ground-breaking initiative which served as a model for future investigations, policies, legislation and FBI programs in the Terrorist Use of the Internet. For this multi-faceted and leading-edge joint operation, I was commended by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, Gen. Keith Alexander (NSA Director), and LtG. Michael Flynn as well as others for leading the FBI’s pivotal participation in this dynamic and innovative interagency operation. I received two The National Intelligence Meritorious Unit Citation (NIMUC) I for my role in this operation. The NIMUC is an award of the National Intelligence Awards Program, for contributions to the United States Intelligence Community.
Mick Flynn has consistently and candidly been honest and straightforward with me since the day I met him in 2005. He has been a mentor and someone I trust to give me frank advice when I ask for his opinion. His caring nature has shown through especially when he saw me being torn apart by the FBI and he felt compelled to write a letter in support of me. He further took the extra step to comment on my character in an NPR article and interview exposing the wrongdoings in my case and others who have stood up for truth and against discrimination/retaliation. Senator Grassley also commented on my behalf. NPR characterized this action against me as a “warning shot” to individuals who stood up to individuals such as McCabe.

The day after I resigned from the FBI, while I was crying, Mike reached out and congratulated me on my early retirement. I really needed to hear that from someone I respected so much. His support for the last 13 years has been unparalleled and extremely valuable in helping me get through the trauma of betrayal, unethical behavior, illegal activity executed against me and to rebuild my life. Additionally, his support has helped my family in dealing with their painful emotions regarding my situation. My parents wanted me to pass on to you that they are blessed that I have had a compassionate and supportive individual on my side throughout this trying time.

Mike has been a respected leader by his peers and by FBI Agents and Analysts who have interacted with him. I personally feel he is the finest leader I have ever worked with or for in my career. Our continued friendship and subsequent friendship with his family has helped all of us cope with the stress a situation like this puts on individuals and families.

It is so very painful to watch an American hero, and my friend, torn apart like this. His family has had to endure what no family should have to. I know this because of the damaging effect my case had on my parent’s health, finances, and emotional well-being. Mike and I both had to sell our houses due to legal fees, endured smear campaigns (mostly by the same individual, McCabe). I ended up being deemed homeless by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, was on public assistance and endured extensive health and emotional damage due to the retaliation. Mike kept in touch and kept me motivated. He has always reached out to help me with whatever he could.

The Process is the Punishment

Thomas Fitton of Judicial Watch commented to me that the “Process is the punishment.” This is the most accurate description I have heard regarding the time Mike has gone through with this process and the year and a half I was ostracized and idled before I resigned. This process is one which many FBI employees, current, retired and former, feel was brought to the FBI by Mueller and he subsequently brought this to the Special Prosecutor investigation. It also fostered the behavior among FBI “leadership” which we find ourselves shocked at when revealed on a daily basis. Is this the proper way to seek justice? I say no. I swore to uphold the Constitution while protecting the civil rights of the American people. I believe many individuals involved in Mike’s case have lost their way and could care less about protection of due process, civil and legal rights of who they are targeting. Mike has had extensive punishment throughout this process. This process has punished him harder than anyone else could.
Andrew McCabe

I believe I have a unique inside view of the mannerisms surrounding Andrew McCabe, other FBI Executive Management and Former Director Mueller, as well as the unethical and coercive tactics they use, not to seek the truth, but to coerce pleas or admissions to end the pain, as I call it. They destroy lives for their own agendas instead of seeking the truth for the American people. Candor is something that should be encouraged and used by leadership to have necessary and continued improvement. Under Mueller, it was seen as a threat and viciously opposed by those he pulled up in the chain of command.

I am explaining this because numerous Agents have expressed the need for you to know McCabe’s and Mueller’s pattern of “target and destroy” has been utilized on many others, without regard for policies and laws. I, myself, am a casualty of this reprehensible behavior and I have spoken to well over 150 other FBI individuals who are casualties as well.

I am the individual who filed the Hatch Act complaint against McCabe and provided significant evidentiary documents obtained via FOIA, open source, and information from current, former, and retired Special Agents. The Office of Special Counsel (OSC) asked why my filing of the complaint was delayed from the actual acts. I said I personally thought I was providing additional information to what should have been an automatic referral to OSC by FBI OPR. I was notified I was the only complainant. This illustrates not only a fatal flaw in OPR AD Candice Will not making the appropriate and crucial referral, but also shows the fear of those within the FBI to report individuals like McCabe for fear of retaliation.

While serving at the CIA, detailed by the FBI in January 2012, I was responsible for overseas investigations, as opposed to Continental United States-based (CONUS) cases. Unfortunately, during my assignment at the CIA, I encountered extensive discrimination by two FBI Special Agents and subsequently, in 2012, I filed an Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) complaint. Instead of addressing the issues, then CTD Assistant Director Andrew McCabe chose to authorize a retaliatory Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) investigation against me, five days after my EEO contact. The OPR referral he signed was authored by the two individuals I had filed the EEO complaint against. In his signed sworn statement, McCabe admitted he knew I had filed or was going to file the EEO.

Numerous members of my department at the CIA requested to be spoken with by CTD executive management, regarding my work ethic and accomplishments. However, CTD, Inspection Division, and OPR disregarded the list of names and contact numbers I submitted. This is an example of knowing you are being targeted and the truth is not being sought.

Although my time at this position was short, I was commended by my CIA direct supervisor for: “having already contributed more than your predecessor in the short time you have been here.” My predecessor had been assigned to the post for 18 months; I had been there four months.

In contrast and showing lack of candor, McCabe wrote on official documents the following statement, contradicting the actual direct supervisor I worked with daily:

“SA Gritz had to be removed from a prior position in an interagency environment, due to inappropriate communications and general performance issues”

This is one of many comments McCabe used to discredit my reputation and to ostracize me. McCabe knew me as someone who told the truth, worked hard, got results, and was always willing to be flexible when needed. He was also acutely aware of the excellent relationships I had formed in the USG interagency due to comments made by individuals from numerous agencies. Yet, he continued to make false statements on official documents. He has done this to numerous other very valuable FBI employees, destroying their careers and lives. He used similar tactics of lies against Flynn. It should be noted, McCabe was very aware of my professional association with Mike Flynn.

In July 5, 2012, I was involuntarily pulled back to CTD from the CIA. I was told McCabe made the decision. A year and a month later, I resigned from the job I absolutely loved and was good at. All because of the lack of candor of numerous individuals within the FBI.

Unethical and dishonest investigative tactics

Throughout the last year, I have kept abreast of the revelations surrounding anything related to Mike’s case. I believe, from my years at the FBI and in exposing corruption and discrimination, the circumstances surrounding the targeting, investigation, leaking, and coercion of him to plea are all consistent with the unethical process I and many others have witnessed at the FBI. The charge which Mike Flynn plead to was the result of deception, intimidation, and bias/agenda. Simply, Mike is being branded a convicted felon due to an unethical and dishonest investigation by people who were malicious, vindictive, and corrupt. They wished to silence Mike, like they had once silenced me.

The American people have read the Strzok/Page text messages, the conflicting testimony and lack of candor statements of former Director Comey, the perceived overstepping of the reasonable scope of the Special Prosecutor’s investigation, the extensive unethical, untruthful, and outright illegal behavior of Andrew McCabe, to include slanderous statements against Flynn, and the facts found within FOIA released documents and Congressional testimony. As a former/retired Agent, I have combed through every piece of information regarding Mike’s case, as if I was combing through evidence in the hundreds of cases I have successfully handled while in the FBI.

The publicly reported Brady material alone, in this case, outweighs any statement given by any FBI Agent (we now know at least one FD-302 was changed), Special Prosecutor investigator report, and any other party still aggressively seeking that this case remain and be sentenced as a felony. Quite simply, I cannot see justice being served by branding LtG. Michael Flynn a convicted felon, when the truth is still being revealed while policies, ethics, and laws have been violated by those pursuing this case.

We now know all FBI employees involved in Mike Flynn’s case have either been fired, forced to resign or forced to retire because of their excessive lack of candor, punitive biases, leaking of information, and extensive cover-up of their deeds.

Summation

Michael Flynn has always displayed overwhelming candor and forthrightness. One of the main individuals involved in his case is Andrew McCabe, who used similar tactics against me in my case, of which Mike Flynn defended me by penning a letter of character reference and is a witness. Seeing McCabe was named as a Responding Management Official in my case, he should have recused himself with anything having to do with a character witness on my behalf against him and DOJ.

I’m told by numerous people, but have been unable to confirm, that McCabe was asked why he was so viciously going after Flynn; my name was mentioned. I do know, from experience with McCabe, he is a vindictive individual and I have no doubt Mike’s support of me fueled McCabe’s disdain and personally vindictive aggressive unethical activities in this case. It matches his behavior in my case.

Reliable fact-finding is essential to procedural due process and to the accuracy and uniformity of sentencing. I’m unsure if the fact-finding in this case is reliable, nor do I think we currently have all the facts.

The punishment which LtG. Flynn has already endured this past year, due to the nature of the case, legal fees and reputation damage, is punishment enough. He is a true patriot, a loving husband and father, a devoted grandfather, a trusted friend, and has a close knit family made up of compassionate and honest individuals. To be branded a felon, is a major hit to a hero who protected the American people for 33 years. I do not think society would benefit from Mike Flynn going to jail nor being branded as a convicted felon. Not knowing the sentencing guidelines for this charge but if there is any chance that the case can be downgraded to a misdemeanor, this would be an act of justice that numerous Americans need to see to stay hopeful for further justice.

Respectfully yours,

Robyn L. Gritz

[ElNono]

https://www.npr.org/2015/04/15/399853577/former-fbi-agent-speaks-out-i-was-not-protected

[lefty]

So this is House of Cards but with ugly dumb people

[DMC]

oh nativeamerican who defends a white supremacist

there seems to be a lot of that around here lol

wishcasting?

yeah maybe ... i wish that i was wrong and that trumps felonies (those already implicating him and those unsealed)
are all wrong and i wish my ears werent telling me he lies everday

i wish he had not been compromised by russia, uae, saudis,etc


I'm waiting for you to produce one "unsealed" felony on Trump.


In time grasshopper ... in time!

So you're from the future?

[Spurs Homer]

So you're from the future?

Anyone that has paid attention the last few years and has seen all the public evidence so far - can pretty much tell you that there is a criminal in office who obtained the presidency fraudulently.

Anyone who sees a guy who;

never tells the truth
when caught lying - he tries to cover up his lie with another lie
does not respect the law
does not think the law applies to him
is not accountable to anything - not to laws, to truth,to morality,to ethics, morals, nothing



Study the public evidence, pay attention to his actions, watch him lie, watch him deny when caught, watch him blame anyone for his dirty deeds, attack an entire system of justice and entire democracy and try to convince his idiot supporters that only he - is the innocent one.
Only he is above all of these liars - only he is the victim of everything wrong - not his lies or crimes - but EVERYONE else is corrupt.

Well - if you STILL believe he has not committed crimes I cannot help you. No one can. Please do everyone a favor and drink the kool-aid when he orders you to!

Only then can we -


MAGA!!!!

[DMC]

Anyone that has paid attention the last few years and has seen all the public evidence so far - can pretty much tell you that there is a criminal in office who obtained the presidency fraudulently.

This was as far as I got. So your entire take is based on barbershop level knowledge and wishcasting.

[Spurs Homer]

This was as far as I got. So your entire take is based on barbershop level knowledge and wishcasting.

I'll bump this when the criminal is indicted or removed or forced to resign.

I would recommend he resign - as this is the best way to avoid jail time and spare his criminal spawn.

[djohn2oo8]

This was as far as I got. So your entire take is based on barbershop level knowledge and wishcasting.
You have no take. On anything. Zilch. Nada. You shit yourself anytime a thought forms.

[Chris]

You have no take. On anything. Zilch. Nada. You shit yourself anytime a thought forms.

What's your take on Mueller suppressing evidence, and why is he so scared to produce the original 302?

[DMC]

You have no take. On anything. Zilch. Nada. You shit yourself anytime a thought forms.

I generally wait for all the evidence to come in before I offer an opinion. You have no such limitations.

[Winehole23]

Close reading in retrospect of the Steele dossier at Lawfare:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective

[DMC]

I'll bump this when the criminal is indicted or removed or forced to resign.

I would recommend he resign - as this is the best way to avoid jail time and spare his criminal spawn.

I won't read it then either.

[djohn2oo8]

I generally wait for all the evidence to come in before I offer an opinion. You have no such limitations.
When’s the last time you had one?

[djohn2oo8]

What's your take on Mueller suppressing evidence, and why is he so scared to produce the original 302?
Probably locked away in those illegal servers

[Chris]

Close reading in retrospect of the Steele dossier at Lawfare:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective

Good thing Comey said it was salacious and unverified. Pretty much puts to bed all of that Russia nonsense. Interesting read if you just joined the conversation.

[Chris]

Probably locked away in those illegal servers

dodgerjohn has no take. On anything. Zilch. Nada.

[djohn2oo8]

dodgerjohn has no take. On anything. Zilch. Nada.
What’s on a 302 Chris?

[ElNono]

Any news on Flynn charges being dropped today?

[Chris]

What’s on a 302 Chris?

Box scores.

[Chris]

Any news on Flynn charges being dropped today?

Lots of news on Flynn's charges being dropped today. I'm guessing you decided not to read anything posted above?

[djohn2oo8]

Box scores.
So nothing on Flynn’s charge being dropped.

[Winehole23]

Good thing Comey said it was salacious and unverified. Pretty much puts to bed all of that Russia nonsense. Interesting read if you just joined the conversation.If you did read you read without comprehension or you're lying about what you read. my money's on didn't read it.

The article says the dossier is partly corroborated by the course of the Mueller investigation and that nothing in it so far has been disproven.

"Has held up pretty well" is their summation.

Propaganda Chris can't tell a straight tale.

[ElNono]

Lots of news on Flynn's charges being dropped today. I'm guessing you decided not to read anything posted above?

Oh yeah? I can't find it. Give me a post #.

[ElNono]

If you did read you read without comprehension or you're lying about what you read. my money's on didn't read it.

I did, thanks for sharing.

[Chris]

If you did read you read without comprehension or you're lying about what you read. my money's on didn't read it.

The article says the dossier is partly corroborated by the course of the Mueller investigation and that nothing in it so far has been disproven.

"Has held up pretty well" is their summation.

Propaganda Chris can't tell a straight tale.

Typical "you didn't read it" bullshit from Winetroll23. Pavlov would be proud.

[Winehole23]

Your gloss of the article is completely implausible. You either didn't read it or didn't understand it. Hard to see another option here.

[Winehole23]

Ken White loads the blunderbuss against fair weather friends of criminal defense, right and left.

Mr. White does not argue that Flynn was entrapped or that the FBI broke the law, but essentially that the law is unfair to targets and unduly deferential to LEOs -- that it screwed Mike Flynn, as it is designed to do in any case.

1073609057234149376

[Winehole23]

It's a defense lawyer's angle, that power creates its own justifications and does wrong to whomever is so unlucky or unwary as to enter its crosshairs. I have a lot of sympathy for this view.

[boutons_deux]

Fuck Flynn to hell

why the sympathy for Flynn when cops kill 10s, 100s of black every years, Ms of black railroaded into prison.

Flynn, fuck 'im and fuck all his traitorous connections with Russians.

[DMC]

Typical "you didn't read it" bullshit from Winetroll23. Pavlov would be proud.

Mix him with Boutons.. Boutyhole

lol

[Chris]

Mix him with Boutons.. Boutyhole

lol

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Ken White loads the blunderbuss against fair weather friends of criminal defense, right and left.

Mr. White does not argue that Flynn was entrapped or that the FBI broke the law, but essentially that the law is unfair to targets and unduly deferential to LEOs -- that it screwed Mike Flynn, as it is designed to do in any case.

1073609057234149376
Yeah fuck this bulls hit view. A military man did not know not to lie to the FBI? And by the fucking way. If you are a subject to any federal investigation they likely know when you are lying and know it ahead of time. So why lie? Especially in Flynn’s case when he knew that they already knew the answers. So why would he continue to lie?

[djohn2oo8]

It's a defense lawyer's angle, that power creates its own justifications and does wrong to whomever is so unlucky or unwary as to enter its crosshairs. I have a lot of sympathy for this view.
You also also have sympathy for Julian Assange.

[Winehole23]

Yeah fuck this bulls hit view. A military man did not know not to lie to the FBI? And by the fucking way. If you are a subject to any federal investigation they likely know when you are lying and know it ahead of time. So why lie? Especially in Flynn’s case when he knew that they already knew the answers. So why would he continue to lie?Ken White doesn't apologize for Flynn's lying and neither do I. He doesn't say that the prosecution is doing anything illegal. He's pointing to how the law itself is unfair. One can be against DJT and Flynn and still point out how the law is a bish.

[Winehole23]

You also also have sympathy for Julian Assange.Personally, no. As a journalist yes.

I do think there are problems with criminalizing information. If Assange goes down for espionage or the like, the damage to straight journalism and the accountability of power to the public could be considerable.

[ElNono]

Any Democratic cheerleader that thinks long game should be grateful to Assange... those leaked party emails might be one of the main reasons Shillary hopefully will never try again to run for president and manipulate the party at will, and also hopefully will invite more transparency from the DNC.

All that said, he got played, IMO, but you play with fire, you're going to eventually get burned.

[boutons_deux]

All that said, he got played, IMO, but you play with fire, you're going to eventually get burned.

I remember comments, unattributed, and early on in the Flynn affair, by other Generals who couldn't believe Flynn had been so stupid.

Flynn was pretty fucked up and detested by co-workers, so that Obama fired him,

aka, Trash's The Best People

Flynn was most probably chosen by Trash not for his competence, because Flynn, like so many others in Trash's mafiya, was connected to Russians.

[djohn2oo8]

Ken White doesn't apologize for Flynn's lying and neither do I. He doesn't say that the prosecution is doing anything illegal. He's pointing to how the law itself is unfair. One can be against DJT and Flynn and still point out how the law is a bish.
Again what’s unfair about the law?

[Winehole23]

You should reread the Ken White tweet thread, because I'm not going to say it as well.

What's unfair is the watered down definition of materiality for the government that lets LE lie about the materiality of the defendant's lies, then writes a warrant that otherwise might not be sustained because the law has a beefed up definition of materiality for the defendant, whose lies are punished if they "could have" affected the investigation, when in fact they didn't. The government was intentionally "trolling for a crime that otherwise wouldn't exist".

However legal that may be it's unethical and abusive, Ken White argues.

In this case, the lies are what Flynn pleaded down to. Presumably he wouldn't have done so had not he and his son been facing more serious charges, which raises another commonplace abuse -- coercive plea deals, wherein defendants plead out to lesser charges they may not be guilty of, or which themselves are the fruit of abusive prosecution, to avoid more serious punishment.

What Ken White is saying is that there are principled arguments that *some* of what has happened to Mike Flynn is wrong, owing to the tendency of power to create justification for its own abuses. All I was saying is I think he has a valid point, not that Flynn did *nothing* wrong or deserves to get off.

Being an agent of the Turkish government and a cabinet level NATSEC advisor at once is perfectly serious business. It was also stupid of Flynn to lie to the FBI. Period, full stop.

[boutons_deux]

so PopeHat and Whine Hole have discovered that the law can be used, abused for political objectives?

:lol

They believe in the actual "rule of law", of truth, justice, freedom and The American Way?

:lol

[Winehole23]

it's relevant to point that out, because the zeal to get bad guys is what normalizes the law's worst excesses.

"

[Winehole23]

:lol

They believe in the actual "rule of law", of truth, justice, freedom and The American Way?

:lol
Defense lawyers and civil libertarians take the side of the citizen against power.

Not only is it ok to stand up for the rule of law, it's a moral obligation for anyone who takes the citizen's side.

[Winehole23]

Bad cases make bad law, the saying goes.

[Winehole23]

Partisans are outcome oriented, what matters most is getting a result favorable to one's own side, but this is short-sighted.

If getting the result strengthens the hand of government or solidifies the law's abuses, so much the worse for beloved partisans when it is their turn to enter the dock.

[boutons_deux]

Defense lawyers and civil libertarians take the side of the citizen against power.

Not only is it ok to stand up for the rule of law, it's a moral obligation for anyone who takes the citizen's side.

taking cases For The People to one of the 100s of political-hacks-in-robes judges at all Federal levels installed by the oligarchy?

The oligarchy's strategy of operating the country in its favor by corrupting judiciary rather than fucking around with unreliable, squishy, complicated legislatures (even those rigged by the Repugs) is as sinisterly brilliant as it is evilly effective.

[Spurs Homer]

ah hogwash...

The US laws have and will always favor the criminal. Ask any defense lawyer and he will admit it. It is what prevents that ONE person from being unlawfully prosecuted and risks letting off hardened criminals easy.

Remember anytime someone is accused of a crimes - it is the prosecution that must prove its case. Innocent until proven guilty.

Suddenly criminals who happen to be Republicans are being prosecuted and this entire whine industry is sprouting up all over white america that the big bad law enforcement agencies are abusive and are all just rogue criminals wearing badges.

Ding away - but had Obama and his administration done 1/100th of what this criminal administration are doing - I bet my life that all you trumpers and the entire white america racist crowd would be coronating the entire justice department.

[Winehole23]

The US laws have and will always favor the criminal. Ask any defense lawyer and he will admit it.If that is true why are trials so rare? 95%+ of criminal cases plead out.

[Spurs Homer]

If that is true why are trials so rare? 95%+ of criminal cases plead out.


That has more to do with just plain dealmaking and jail overpopulation.

If the statute says a crime is punishable from 5-10 years a lawyers job is to tell his client (the accused) that if he pleads he will get him 3 years and with good behavior he will be out in 12-15 months. On the rare case where a defendant is actually innocent - they will choose trial to exonerate themselves - but most are guilty and they know it - so they might bitch about the law and the pigs and the system - but they jump on that plea deal 99% of the time.


A LIFE sentence now only means 15-16 years imprisonment with all the good behavior/jail overpopulation issues in most cases except those rare serial murders or capital cases where an entire community is outraged at the murderer.

[Winehole23]

Seems like more defendants would take their chances at trial and more lawyers would encourage them to, if the law were so heavily tilted in their favor.

[Spurs Homer]

Seems like more defendants would take their chances at trial and more lawyers would encourage them to, if the law were so heavily tilted in their favor.

see post above yours

[Winehole23]

see post above yoursit underscores my point and undermines yours. overcharging and sentencing guidelines give the prosecution leverage and place the defendant at an overwhelming disadvantage.

[Spurs Homer]

it underscores my point and undermines yours. sentencing guidelines give the prosecution leverage and place the defendant at an overwhelming disadvantage.


Really?

Tell me how getting a guilty bank robber and scumbag - 3 years (with parole in 12-15 mos) instead of the required by law- 10 years behind bars an overwhelming disadvantage?

[Winehole23]

Apples and oranges.

You may not like the post conviction results, but in that case we're no longer talking about defendants, we're talking about convicted felons.

[Winehole23]

I'll also say that in relative terms, the notion that US criminal sentencing is lenient is laughable. Sentencing-wise, it doesn't get much harsher than the USA.

[Winehole23]

You seem to have a strong bias against the defense bar, Spurs Homer.

Are you a LEO or LE employee?

[Spurs Homer]

You seem to have a strong bias against the defense bar, Spurs Homer (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=52221).

Are you a LEO or LE employee?

answered you before -

only on the internet!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-supreme-court-swings-in-favor-of-criminal-defendants/2015/07/02/847c068e-1f5a-11e5-aeb9-a411a84c9d55_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.776bef5843e5

Interesting article - even with the contradiction that maybe plea agreements favor prosecutors instead of defendants - which I disagree with.

I will also place the caveat that race plays a bigger role - and money of course the biggest role in who the system favors.

[Winehole23]

Count me unsurprised you failed to find any evidence plea deals favor the defendant. Your bias goes against logic and the facts.

[Spurs Homer]

Count me unsurprised you failed to find any evidence plea deals favor the defendant. Your bias goes against logic and the facts.

i posted an article that goes against what i believe- i just disagree

sounds open minded to me
im sure i could cherry pick and find ten that confirm my belief

ithink the disconnect here is that i fundamentally believe that the huge majority of incarcerated criminals are in fact guilty

i sense that you feel the opposite


if we are talking about people who are wrongfully accused - i would be agreeing with your premise

[Spurs Homer]

Sorry to hijack thread


lets go back to flynn/mueller/russia imo

[boutons_deux]

This Supreme Court Case Could Impact The Mueller Probe And Boost Trump's Pardon Power

The double-jeopardy clause of the Constitution says a person can't be prosecuted twice for the same crime.

But, in fact, for 170 years, the Supreme Court has said that separate sovereigns — state and federal governments — can do just that, because each sovereign government has separate laws and interests.

the argument produced an interesting debate among the justices about when it is appropriate to reverse a long line of decisions.

The dual sovereigns rule at issue in Thursday's case raised a red flag over the Mueller investigation, because

if such double prosecutions were barred, some of those already convicted in the Mueller probe could not be tried for the same crimes in state court if Trump were to pardon them, something that he has openly flirted with doing.

Thursday's arguments, however, strongly suggested

the court is unprepared to toss out the separate sovereigns rule.

At least five of the nine justices, from liberal to conservative, expressed clear doubts about overruling nearly two centuries of precedent.

Double prosecutions most often come in high-profile cases, frequently civil rights cases, when there is a sense that justice has not been done.

A get-out-of-jail-free card for Trump associates?

The case has attracted extra attention because of

Trump's comments that he could possibly pardon (https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/trump-says-pardon-for-paul-manafort-still-a-possibility/)his onetime campaign chairman Paul Manafort and other Trump associates

who have been — or could be — convicted in prosecutions brought by Mueller.

If the Supreme Court were to bar dual prosecutions,

"there is a concern that a president of the United States could pardon an individual for all federal offenses" and

it would effectively be a "pardon for everything,"

These concerns, he noted, extend from the president down to governors or local prosecutors.

They could "bestow great gifts upon friends or family by rushing to prosecute them for certain crimes," Saltzburg pointed out, by obtaining minimal punishments.

That would be "cutting off" the ability of the federal government to bring prosecutions, for the same conduct, particularly in corruption cases.

some in liberal circles have speculated that one reason the Trump administration was in such a hurry to get Kavanaugh confirmed to the Supreme Court was his demonstrated affinity for presidential power.

However,

the Trump administration is urging the Supreme Court to preserve the status quo by upholding the separate sovereigns doctrine,

as are 36 states, including states that lean "red" and "blue" politically.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/06/673449144/this-supreme-court-case-could-impact-the-mueller-probe-and-boost-trumps-pardon-p

[vy65]

Seems like more defendants would take their chances at trial and more lawyers would encourage them to, if the law were so heavily tilted in their favor.

I think both you and he have a point. Obviously, if the law were so favorable to criminal defendants, you’d imagine there would be more who rolled the die. But the presumption of innocence and evidentiary burden are unique to criminal trials. You can’t discount that either.

[Spurs Homer]

I think both you and he have a point. Obviously, if the law were so favorable to criminal defendants, you’d imagine there would be more who rolled the die. But the presumption of innocence and evidentiary burden are unique to criminal trials. You can’t discount that either.

I am just going on common sense - and the fact (IMO) that most defendants are guilty.

If you are completely innocent and the charges are completely made up you most definitely want to go to trial to clear your name. If you did zero wrong and some attorney is trying to convince you that 3-5 years of prison time is a great deal - you will most likely tell him/her to go fuck himself/herself.

If you know - as most defendants do - that you robbed the bank/raped the girl and some attorney is telling you that instead of going to trial and possibly doing 20-25 years if found guilty - or take the guilty plea now, avoid trial and just do 3-5 years with only 12-15 months of "real" jail time - you know you are taking the 12-15 months because you know deep inside you are guilty.

This is what I am referring to.

[boutons_deux]

"If you did zero wrong and some attorney is trying to convince you that 3-5 years of prison time is a great deal -

you will most likely tell him/her to go fuck himself/herself."

not if you're an innocent black, where "plea for 3-5" or no plea and it's "40 or life", with racist prosecutors and cops withhold exonerating evidence.

[Winehole23]

I think both you and he have a point. Obviously, if the law were so favorable to criminal defendants, you’d imagine there would be more who rolled the die. But the presumption of innocence and evidentiary burden are unique to criminal trials. You can’t discount that either.Fair enough, but that seems proper: the sword the state wields can separate people from their liberty and their lives.

[vy65]

Fair enough, but that seems proper: the sword the state wields can separate people from their liberty and their lives.

Agreed 100%. Those are important features along with other shit like the right of
Confrontation, mandatory disclosure of evidence, etc. Philosophically, I’m of your bent as well. But I’m not willing to go so far as to say the law always disfavors one side or another.

[vy65]

If you are completely innocent and the charges are completely made up you most definitely want to go to trial to clear your name. If you did zero wrong and some attorney is trying to convince you that 3-5 years of prison time is a great deal - you will most likely tell him/her to go fuck himself/herself.

If you know - as most defendants do - that you robbed the bank/raped the girl and some attorney is telling you that instead of going to trial and possibly doing 20-25 years if found guilty - or take the guilty plea now, avoid trial and just do 3-5 years with only 12-15 months of "real" jail time - you know you are taking the 12-15 months because you know deep inside you are guilty.

This is incorrect to the extent you believe the innocent always go to trial and always are exonerated. Given the risks, and the costs of hiring counsel, innocent people cop pleas all the time. It’s not as black and white as you suggest.

[Pavlov]

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lol

[Spurs Homer]

This is incorrect to the extent you believe the innocent always go to trial and always are exonerated. Given the risks, and the costs of hiring counsel, innocent people cop pleas all the time. It’s not as black and white as you suggest.

Never said never - but I believe that a huge percentage of incarcerated people did what they have been accused of.

I don't believe - like some here do - that there are tons of people wrongfully accused by the system. Are there people wrongfully accused by other people? (angry girlfriends) - yes absolutely. Is there tons of defendants that are wrongfully accused by a corrupt DOJ? I doubt that.

I never did say that the innocent ALWAYS go to trial - but yes - if their cases go that far and their charges are bogus? I'd say they have to choose trial over accepting years of prison for something they didn't do IMO.

[Spurs Homer]

"If you did zero wrong and some attorney is trying to convince you that 3-5 years of prison time is a great deal -

you will most likely tell him/her to go fuck himself/herself."

not if you're an innocent black, where "plea for 3-5" or no plea and it's "40 or life", with racist prosecutors and cops withhold exonerating evidence.






yeah - I have to agree with you here.

Like I said - when it comes to race or money - justice is biased heavily against poor and minorities.

[koriwhat]

"If you did zero wrong and some attorney is trying to convince you that 3-5 years of prison time is a great deal -

you will most likely tell him/her to go fuck himself/herself."

not if you're an innocent black, where "plea for 3-5" or no plea and it's "40 or life", with racist prosecutors and cops withhold exonerating evidence.






yeah - I have to agree with you here.

Like I said - when it comes to race or money - justice is biased heavily against poor and minorities.

yall are both wrong and talking out your asses without any such experience to relate to in order to talk on such a subject. two dipshits like yall have no clue.

[Spurs Homer]

yall are both wrong and talking out your asses without any such experience to relate to in order to talk on such a subject. two dipshits like yall have no clue.


LOL -

so angry and bitter

[koriwhat]

LOL -

so angry and bitter

angry and bitter about what? you claim it so own it and let us all know the play pretend you do up in your hollow skull.

is this the new trolling of weak fucking wannabe men? time to just call everyone angry, bitter, meltdown, etc just because people don't agree with you and call you out for the bitch you are?

i can count on 1 hand the stupid fucks here who have your same weak mentality.

[Spurs Homer]

angry and bitter about what? you claim it so own it and let us all know the play pretend you do up in your hollow skull.

is this the new trolling of weak fucking wannabe men? time to just call everyone angry, bitter, meltdown, etc just because people don't agree with you and call you out for the bitch you are?

i can count on 1 hand the stupid fucks here who have your same weak mentality.

Funny - all the potheads I know are happy and mellow and chill.

You are just an unhappy lil bitch.

lighten up francis!

[koriwhat]

Funny - all the potheads I know are happy and mellow and chill.

You are just an unhappy lil bitch.

lighten up francis!

because you and the other faggots here say so huh? too funny how you weak fucks have to label others due to the fact they don't hold your same insane opinions of this world. i'm far from angry and anyone who actually knows me knows that. you sir are just a bitch made faggot that thinks parroting the same bs the other faggots here parrot is somehow truth when it's far from it.

keep on assuming i suppose. my assumption of you being bitchmade is more spot on with every reply you make towards me.

btw, i'm no pothead. i love bud but i'm far from your stereotypical "pothead".

[Pavlov]

lol meltdown

[Spurs Homer]

lol meltdown


:lol:lol

[koriwhat]

the usual suspects... i could've told you exactly who would chime in right after me because you bitch made faggots are all the same.

[Pavlov]

I chime in right after your meltdowns because they're funny as hell.

[BD24]

Kori calling people bitch made behind his computer screen per par

[Spurs Homer]

the usual suspects... i could've told you exactly who would chime in right after me because you bitch made faggots are all the same.

Still angry

:lol:lol

[Winehole23]

Agreed 100%. Those are important features along with other shit like the right of
Confrontation, mandatory disclosure of evidence, etc. Philosophically, I’m of your bent as well. But I’m not willing to go so far as to say the law always disfavors one side or another.
There's something for the defense to be sure. That's why foreigners and natives still admire it.

[djohn2oo8]

So Rudy G admitted on national television that Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia :lol

[boutons_deux]

So Rudy G admitted on national television that Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia :lol

On CNN, Trash fellator says Trash has thick skin and doesn't mind criticism, to rounds of laughter.

Julie Annie says "over my dead body" will Trash interview with Mueller.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

1074318427039326208


:lol:lol

Cohen just plead guilty to continuing Russia talks (conspiracy) until June 2016

Julie-Yanni - just said - it went on until November 2016

:lol:lol

I think Mueller better look a little closer!

[DMC]

:lol:lol

Cohen just plead guilty to continuing Russia talks (conspiracy) until June 2016

Julie-Yanni - just said - it went on until November 2016

:lol:lol

I think Mueller better look a little closer!

Unless there's something I haven't heard/seen, the text you're referring to says "over by the time of the election", not "over at the same time as the election". So June 2016 satisfies that just fine. What are you referring to that suggests November?

[Hillary Clinton]

1074318427039326208

Every fucking time this guy sits down, he says some alarming dumb shit. :lmao :lmao

Thank God for Rudy. :lol

[boutons_deux]

So Rudy G admitted on national television that Trump’s campaign conspired with Russia :lol

On CNN, Trash fellator says Trash has thick skin and doesn't mind criticism, to rounds of laughter.

Julie Annie says "over my dead body" will Trash interview with Mueller.

[Spurs Homer]

Unless there's something I haven't heard/seen, the text you're referring to says "over by the time of the election", not "over at the same time as the election". So June 2016 satisfies that just fine. What are you referring to that suggests November?

Go to the 1:00 mark of this Julie-Yanni video posted on this page - just a couple of posts above and see his answer to whether Trump knew that Cohen was communicating with the Russians about the Trump Tower Moscow deal until June 2016 -which is in Cohens sworn testimony and SDNY filed indictment.

Julie-Yanni stupidly says - that - it is in Trumps written answers (trumps sworn written testimony lol) that it goes on until November 2016-

unless I am mistaken - or I am hearing this wrong - this is a stupid stupid mistake by Julie-Yanni :lol

[DMC]

Go to the 1:00 mark of this Julie-Yanni video posted on this page - just a couple of posts above and see his answer to whether Trump knew that Cohen was communicating with the Russians about the Trump Tower Moscow deal until June 2016 -which is in Cohens sworn testimony and SDNY filed indictment.

Julie-Yanni stupidly says - that - it is in Trumps written answers (trumps sworn written testimony lol) that it goes on until November 2016-

unless I am mistaken - or I am hearing this wrong - this is a stupid stupid mistake by Julie-Yanni :lol

He was trying to quote the documents. He wasn't revealing anything new.

[koriwhat]

Still angry

:lol:lol

Still a pussy

:lol:lol

[TSA]

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[djohn2oo8]

1074396975339053056
How so? And in your own words...

[djohn2oo8]

I guess Mueller wasn’t working with Flynn like TSA thought

[Pavlov]

1074396975339053056

lol no they don't

[koriwhat]

How so? And in your own words...

lmao it's never in your own words when you post tweets and articles but you have the audacity to ask for such. though we appreciate you not chiming in with your own words because it's hard to decipher what a retard like yourself has to say in the first place.

[Pavlov]

I guess Mueller wasn’t working with Flynn like TSA thought
He'll flip flop again when Q tells him to do so.

[Spurs Homer]

He was trying to quote the documents. He wasn't revealing anything new.

great

except for the fact that those written answers are trumps sworn testimony

and

they are in direct contradiction to cohens indictment

[ElNono]

Flynn has nothing to worry about, tbh, since I read here two days ago that all charges against him were gonna get dropped yesterday...

[TSA]

lol no they don't

24/7 shitposter knowledge vs Former federal prosecutor under nine US attorneys from both political parties over ten years and three districts, Sidney Powell was lead counsel in 350 criminal appeals for the United States and more than 150 since in private practice.

[TSA]

1073911188214276096

[Splits]

lol daily caller
lol trying to paint Powell as a non-partisan
lol look at this timeline https://twitter.com/sidneypowell1?lang=en
lol female stealth jeff

[Spurs Homer]

24/7 shitposter knowledge vs Former federal prosecutor under nine US attorneys from both political parties over ten years and three districts, Sidney Powell was lead counsel in 350 criminal appeals for the United States and more than 150 since in private practice.

Wait...it cannot be..seriously...no

c'mon...for real?


Are you....












getting your hopes up again?

















:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Chris]

Mueller hiding the 302, yup gonna get tossed

Called that shit a while back

[DMC]

great

except for the fact that those written answers are trumps sworn testimony

and

they are in direct contradiction to cohens indictment

Then Rudy said nothing incriminating if they are "sworn testimony". Why are you acting like Rudy let the cat out of the bag? Are you that hard up for material?

[Spurs Homer]

Then Rudy said nothing incriminating if they are "sworn testimony". Why are you acting like Rudy let the cat out of the bag? Are you that hard up for material?


Because, if trumps answers are contradicting muellers evidence

trump will be guilty of perjury

i know that means nothing to you though

[Pavlov]

24/7 shitposter knowledge vs Former federal prosecutor under nine US attorneys from both political parties over ten years and three districts, Sidney Powell was lead counsel in 350 criminal appeals for the United States and more than 150 since in private practice.Yeah, she didn't even touch the follow up interview where he lied in the presence of his counsel.

Or the same lie he told the press.

Or the same lie he told Pence.

IOW, lol Sidney.

I'll ask you a question, TSA -- why did Trump fire Flynn?

[Pavlov]

24/7 shitposter knowledge vs Former federal prosecutor under nine US attorneys from both political parties over ten years and three districts, Sidney Powell was lead counsel in 350 criminal appeals for the United States and more than 150 since in private practice.
Experts, though, say there is almost nothing unusual, illegal or even unethical about how Flynn was treated. There is no requirement that investigators inform subjects who aren’t in custody that they need a lawyer or that lying is illegal. And former federal prosecutor Patrick Cotter said it was the treatment van der Zwaan and Papadopoulos got that was unorthodox — not Flynn’s.

“In the vast majority of such noncustodial interviews of which I am aware — and there are probably hundreds I’ve encountered in my career — there is no explicit warning at all,” Cotter said. “So Flynn not getting a special warning is not in any sense out of the ordinary.”

David Moran, a criminal procedure expert at the University of Michigan who runs the Michigan Innocence Clinic, also said Flynn’s treatment is completely par for course. The famous Supreme Court case, Miranda v. Arizona, requires law enforcement to inform those in custody of their rights, but not people such as Flynn who weren’t in custody.

“The tactic of telling a subject not in custody that he or she doesn’t need an attorney present during an interview may be standard, but whether it is savory is a matter of opinion,” Moran said. “Still, it strikes me as odd for a tactic that is used every day with suspected criminals of every description to come under fire only when used against a highly sophisticated, extremely well-connected defendant.”

And that might be the key point here. Van der Zwaan isn’t a U.S. citizen, and Papadopoulos was something of a gadfly foreign policy adviser, so informing them of their rights perhaps made some sense. But Flynn is a three-star general of significant stature, with three advanced degrees. To believe he was lulled into a false sense of security is to believe someone like him wouldn’t know that lying to investigators can get you into trouble and that you might want to have an attorney.

Flynn’s own sentencing memo makes clear he considered and rejected the idea of getting a lawyer.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/12/russia-investigation-critics-have-finally-found-their-supposed-perjury-trap/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5d7c6a4f9e54

lol TSA

[DMC]

Because, if trumps answers are contradicting muellers evidence

trump will be guilty of perjury

i know that means nothing to you though

But Rudy didn't need to say it if it's already sworn testimony. Are you retarded?

Rudy's recollection of a sworn testimony isn't new evidence..

:lol

Stick to your day job

[Spurs Homer]

But Rudy didn't need to say it if it's already sworn testimony. Are you retarded?

Rudy's recollection of a sworn testimony isn't new evidence..

:lol

Stick to your day job



Ok - somewhere - we are not communicating - I will simplify it for you;

1) Cohen was busted for saying (lying) that the Trump Moscow tower talks only went on until January 2016.
2) The lie that he told - contradicted evidence - and Cohen changed his answer and stated that the talks went on until June 2016.

3) Rudy just said that Trumps testimony - states - that the Trump Moscow tower talks went on until NOVEMBER 2016 - right up to election time.
4) Why are Trump and Cohens testimonies different?

5) The candidate was lying to the American people and saying no deals in Russia, no deals that might happen, no deals that will ever happen, etc..
6) The Russians knew Trump was lying about this - and could use this info to blackmail/threaten Trump

If Mueller has evidence on Cohens testimony (through all the tapes/electronic devices/paperwork) that they recovered in Cohens office/residence
and it is different than Trumps answers then Trump perjured himself.

I am sure Mueller already knows about Trumps perjury - but Mueller doesn't leak - so this Julie-Yanni blunder is the first we have heard that the talks went on all the way until the election (I am more than sure that the talks actually are still ongoing - as evidence by Helsinki and Argentina where Trump basically fellated Putin - in secret - and in front of the world)


Rudy's interview might not be new evidence to Mueller - but it is new public evidence that the Moscow tower talks went farther than had previously been revealed.

[BD24]

But Rudy didn't need to say it if it's already sworn testimony. Are you retarded?

Rudy's recollection of a sworn testimony isn't new evidence..

:lol

Stick to your day job
Pretty confident he is. I have started skipping over his post as well. Grouped him with the likes of Boots and randomguy tbh

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/loudobbs/status/1074503426619322369?s=21
:)

[boutons_deux]

You Trash-defending dick suckers gonna get crushed when Mueller / SDNY bring down Trash and his mafiya.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/loudobbs/status/1074503426619322369?s=21
:)

"I would not be surprised a bit if the conviction of Flynn is overturned, because of the Justice Department and FBI's misconduct -- and that in fact, we go potentially all the way to the Supreme Court, with new protections -- when the FBI and the Department of Justice lies to someone and tricks them into making statements, and then charges them with a lie they entrapped them in. ... This kind of conduct we haven't seen in a long time."

Wonder if Issa would be surprised if it isn't.

[Spurs Homer]

You Trash-defending dick suckers gonna get crushed when Mueller / SDNY bring down Trash and his mafiya.

[DMC]

Ok - somewhere - we are not communicating - I will simplify it for you;

1) Cohen was busted for saying (lying) that the Trump Moscow tower talks only went on until January 2016.
2) The lie that he told - contradicted evidence - and Cohen changed his answer and stated that the talks went on until June 2016.

3) Rudy just said that Trumps testimony - states - that the Trump Moscow tower talks went on until NOVEMBER 2016 - right up to election time.
4) Why are Trump and Cohens testimonies different?

5) The candidate was lying to the American people and saying no deals in Russia, no deals that might happen, no deals that will ever happen, etc..
6) The Russians knew Trump was lying about this - and could use this info to blackmail/threaten Trump

If Mueller has evidence on Cohens testimony (through all the tapes/electronic devices/paperwork) that they recovered in Cohens office/residence
and it is different than Trumps answers then Trump perjured himself.

I am sure Mueller already knows about Trumps perjury - but Mueller doesn't leak - so this Julie-Yanni blunder is the first we have heard that the talks went on all the way until the election (I am more than sure that the talks actually are still ongoing - as evidence by Helsinki and Argentina where Trump basically fellated Putin - in secret - and in front of the world)


Rudy's interview might not be new evidence to Mueller - but it is new public evidence that the Moscow tower talks went farther than had previously been revealed.

Public evidence? You indicated that Rudy revealed something new. Do you separate testimony under oath from comments made to the press?

[djohn2oo8]

Guess Flynn’s charges haven’t been dropped yet

[DMC]

Guess Flynn’s charges haven’t been dropped yet

He's in major trouble.

[Spurs Homer]

Public evidence? You indicated that Rudy revealed something new. Do you separate testimony under oath from comments made to the press?


Remember how hard you clutched your pearls when Obama lied about keeping your doctor?

:lol:lol

Only in this criminal administration does the president lie everyday - his attorney comes out on tv and calls Cohen a liar - the ABC news guy says, "trump lies also" and Julie-Yanni does NOT disagree - instead he says "he wasn't under oath"

:lol:lol

The lying says some things about this;

1) If you lied all this time and are lying now -("no collusion, no russian contacts") - this says you committed the crime (conspiracy to defraud) -
because you have to lie about it - if there was nothing wrong with conspiracy - he could have said "sure we colluded - its not illegal" :lol
2) The Russians had attacked the elections by this time - the FBI - had warned both campaigns about Russians trying to approach them and compromise them and asked them both to report ANY contacts immediately. Trump and his conspirators had many many contacts and not only did not report them - they hid them and then lied about them - all while Trump was lying to the american people about dealing with the enemy that was attacking the usa - at the same time he was conspiring with them
3) The lying - whether in public - or in sworn testimony - is more proof/evidence of another crime: Obstructing Justice - because you are giving multiple conflicting answers to the public and this is another form of obstructing the investigation


To a cult member of course this means nothing and your only concern is "he wasn't under oath and lying to the press is not illegal"

amirite?

[Spurs Homer]

Guess Flynn’s charges haven’t been dropped yet

Here is something I haven't seen mentioned and think it is interesting:

Even though Flynn's lawyers pulled that bitch move by trying to insinuate that Flynn was somehow tricked -
and then Mueller came down hard with the slap down -

Mueller still recommended ZERO jail time for Flynn.

Even though he could have tried to make an example out of Flynn's bitch move -
the man has so much integrity that even though he stressed how serious it was that Flynn's lying should not be minimized -

he still kept his word and tried to help Flynn get ZERO jail time.

None of the cult mentioned this about that corrupt Mueller - did they?

[djohn2oo8]

He's in major trouble.
Hillary isn’t

https://media.giphy.com/media/1M15RPLa4VBcc/giphy.gif

[boutons_deux]

Mueller still recommended ZERO jail time for Flynn.


probably signals the Flynn "gave up" ( in Trash's mob lingo, "ratted out") someone higher.

Who was higher up than Flynn? :)

[djohn2oo8]

Here is something I haven't seen mentioned and think it is interesting:

Even though Flynn's lawyers pulled that bitch move by trying to insinuate that Flynn was somehow tricked -
and then Mueller came down hard with the slap down -

Mueller still recommended ZERO jail time for Flynn.

Even though he could have tried to make an example out of Flynn's bitch move -
the man has so much integrity that even though he stressed how serious it was that Flynn's lying should not be minimized -

he still kept his word and tried to help Flynn get ZERO jail time.

None of the cult mentioned this about that corrupt Mueller - did they?
Zero jail time on these charges. While he is being investigated by another grand jury:lol

[DMC]

Hillary isn’t

https://media.giphy.com/media/1M15RPLa4VBcc/giphy.gif

Ding

[djohn2oo8]

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and they think Flynn is safe :rollin

[boutons_deux]

Flynn and friends get the Turkish guy repatriated Turkey, with a payoff to Flynn probably in the many $100Ks, paid into off-shore accounts, of course. Or maybe with a fantastic villa in Spain or Portugal.

[Winehole23]

Flynn business associates indicted in VA for being unregistered foreign agents -- one of them ghost wrote the Flynn op-ed published on election day.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-michael-flynn-associates-charged-gulen-extradition-effort

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[pgardn]

So this is what draining the swamp means ...

All these “businessmen” going to do the right thing in government.
A whole ecosystem of parasites live under that orange mop.

[Spurs Homer]

1074692104646000640

sudden demonization of turks - in 5,4,3....


"those turks just hate trump!"

[Winehole23]

Flynn never declared his status as a Turkish agent until after he was fired by Trump. The conceit that Flynn is an innocent man entrapped by corrupt LE just got a lot harder to believe.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

1074686844892340225

[baseline bum]

Collusion with radical Islamists bad now?

[Winehole23]

Here's the DOJ statement:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-men-charged-conspiracy-and-acting-agents-foreign-government

[vy65]

Race traitor ...

[DMC]

Turkey bad now

[Spurs Homer]

Turkey bad now

presidential lies good now

[DMC]

presidential lies good now

Presidents lie? Huge news if true

[boutons_deux]

New report on Russian disinformation, prepared for the Senate, shows the operation’s scale and sweep

The report, a draft of which was obtained by The Washington Post, is the first to analyze the millions of posts provided by major technology firms to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

the operation used every major social media platform

to deliver words, images and videos tailored to voters’ interests to help elect President Trump —

and worked even harder to support him while in office.

The research — by Oxford University’s Computational Propaganda Project (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/07/17/spreading-fake-news-becomes-standard-practice-for-governments-across-the-world/?utm_term=.69e303f3c27c) and Graphika (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/04/fake-news-ecosystem-still-thrives-two-years-after-election-new-report-says/?utm_term=.a734ced17901), a network analysis firm — offers new

details of how Russians working at the Internet Research Agency (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-troll-farm-13-suspects-indicted-for-interference-in-us-election/2018/02/16/2504de5e-1342-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?utm_term=.81924a3c663d),

which U.S. officials have charged with criminal offenses (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-troll-farm-13-suspects-indicted-for-interference-in-us-election/2018/02/16/2504de5e-1342-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?utm_term=.222feccbf02b) for interfering in the 2016 campaign,

sliced Americans into key interest groups for targeted messaging.

These efforts shifted over time, peaking at key political moments, such as presidential debates or party conventions,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/16/new-report-russian-disinformation-prepared-senate-shows-operations-scale-sweep/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5088d78548fa

My guess is that Facebook sold or gave away TONS of detailed information to Mercer's Cambridge Analytica that then gave it to Pootin.

[TSA]

Flynn never declared his status as a Turkish agent until after he was fired by Trump. The conceit that Flynn is an innocent man entrapped by corrupt LE just got a lot harder to believe.False

1074034396456308736

1074037369559339008

1074042082614927361

[djohn2oo8]

1074709168718778370

[DMC]

New report on Russian disinformation, prepared for the Senate, shows the operation’s scale and sweep

The report, a draft of which was obtained by The Washington Post, is the first to analyze the millions of posts provided by major technology firms to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

the operation used every major social media platform to deliver words, images and videos tailored to voters’ interests to help elect President Trump — and worked even harder to support him while in office.

The research — by Oxford University’s Computational Propaganda Project (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/07/17/spreading-fake-news-becomes-standard-practice-for-governments-across-the-world/?utm_term=.69e303f3c27c) and Graphika (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/10/04/fake-news-ecosystem-still-thrives-two-years-after-election-new-report-says/?utm_term=.a734ced17901), a network analysis firm — offers new details of how Russians working at the Internet Research Agency (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-troll-farm-13-suspects-indicted-for-interference-in-us-election/2018/02/16/2504de5e-1342-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?utm_term=.81924a3c663d), which U.S. officials have charged with criminal offenses (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-troll-farm-13-suspects-indicted-for-interference-in-us-election/2018/02/16/2504de5e-1342-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?utm_term=.222feccbf02b) for interfering in the 2016 campaign,

sliced Americans into key interest groups for targeted messaging.

These efforts shifted over time, peaking at key political moments, such as presidential debates or party conventions,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/16/new-report-russian-disinformation-prepared-senate-shows-operations-scale-sweep/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5088d78548fa

My guess is that Facebook sold or gave away TONS of detailed information to Mercer's Cambridge Analytica that then gave it to Pootin.




Russians campaigned harder than the DNC :lol

[boutons_deux]

Russian trolls have actually received more engagement on Instagram than on Facebook (https://theweek.com/speedreads/813140/russian-trolls-have-actually-received-more-engagement-instagram-than-facebook)

Russian Internet Research Agency, a troll farm,

received 187 million interactions on Instagram from 2015 through 2018, and

only 77 million interactions on Facebook and

73 million on Twitter,

https://theweek.com/speedreads/813140/russian-trolls-have-actually-received-more-engagement-instagram-than-facebook

[djohn2oo8]

1074714889208414208

[boutons_deux]

Report Shows ‘Extensive’ Russian Effort To Suppress The Black Vote On Social Media

Russian internet trolls’ “most prolific” endeavor to influence the 2016 election was their effort to use social media to target black Americans, who they then sought to discourage to vote,

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/russian-troll-new-knowledge-black-americans?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

==============

NAACP Leads #LogOutFacebook Protest, Returns Donation from Facebook in Response to Data Breaches Targeting People of Color

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2018/12/17/naacp-leads-logoutfacebook-protest-returns-donation-facebook-response-data?cd-origin=rss

[djohn2oo8]

Russians campaigned harder than the DNC :lol
Flynn a Felon. Not Hillary :)

[DMC]

His coverage was negative from the start [of the general election] and never came close to entering positive territory,” writes Thomas E. Patterson, the Bradlee professor of government and the press at Harvard. “During his best weeks, the coverage ran 2-to-1 negative over positive. In his worst weeks, the ratio was more than 10-to-1. If there was a silver lining for Trump, it was that his two best weeks were the ones just preceding the November balloting.”

WAPO

[Pavlov]

:lol Trumpistas digging in hard today for some reason.

[DMC]

Flynn a Felon. Not Hillary :)

Bill impeached, not Trump

[DMC]

:lol Trumpistas digging in hard today for some reason.

Any dissenting opinion is a shill for the other side. Ain't that right 2cents?

[boutons_deux]

New reports highlight just how poorly Facebook responded to fake Russian material

The Senate Intelligence reports also slam Google, Twitter for failing to turn over appropriate data.

fresh information on another trend:

just how meager the response from social media giants was in the face of the disinformation campaign.

Facebook didn’t even both to turn over information from all of the fake Russian accounts.

fits with Facebook’s overall approach to the Russian disinformation effort, which has been wrapped in secrecy.

Unlike Twitter, which recently revealed the entirety of the Russian accounts identified — both content and handles —

Facebook has still never bothered to release the content it uncovered, or even the names of all of the accounts.

also slams Google for failing to turn over data relating to fake Russian YouTube videos.

the data Google turned over was especially difficult to study, forcing researchers to study the YouTube interference efforts via third-party sites.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-reports-highlight-just-how-poorly-facebook-responded-to-fake-russian-material-7105dd7ef53a/

American social media actively colluded with Pootin to elect the illegitimate Don the Con Trash.

[DMC]

When MSM is in the opposition pockets, you have to get creative.

[Pavlov]

Any dissenting opinion is a shill for the other side. Ain't that right 2cents?Just an observation.

Maybe you can tell me why you're digging in so hard for Trump today.

Well?

[djohn2oo8]

Bill impeached, not Trump
Flynn
Manafort
Georgie P
Rick Gates

all felons

Not Hillary

[DMC]

New reports highlight just how poorly Facebook responded to fake Russian material

The Senate Intelligence reports also slam Google, Twitter for failing to turn over appropriate data.

fresh information on another trend:

just how meager the response from social media giants was in the face of the disinformation campaign.

Facebook didn’t even both to turn over information from all of the fake Russian accounts.

fits with Facebook’s overall approach to the Russian disinformation effort, which has been wrapped in secrecy.

Unlike Twitter, which recently revealed the entirety of the Russian accounts identified — both content and handles —

Facebook has still never bothered to release the content it uncovered, or even the names of all of the accounts.

also slams Google for failing to turn over data relating to fake Russian YouTube videos.

the data Google turned over was especially difficult to study, forcing researchers to study the YouTube interference efforts via third-party sites.

https://thinkprogress.org/new-reports-highlight-just-how-poorly-facebook-responded-to-fake-russian-material-7105dd7ef53a/

American social media actively colluded with Pootin to elect the illegitimate Don the Con Trash.




Like Hillary didn't bother to turn over the emails and the FBI didn't bother to turn over the phone.

[DMC]

Flynn
Manafort
Georgie P
Rick Gates

all felons

Not Hillary

Run her in 2020

[djohn2oo8]

Like Hillary didn't bother to turn over the emails and the FBI didn't bother to turn over the phone.
Hillary cleared. Not Trump.

[Winehole23]

Turkey bad nowMore bullshit glibness from DMC...when were they good?

[djohn2oo8]

1074710288413413377

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[DMC]

Just an observation.

Maybe you can tell me why you're digging in so hard for Trump today.

Well?

On a flight, nothing else to do. Echo chamber posting ain't my thing.

[Spurs Homer]

When MSM is in the opposition pockets, you have to get creative.

conspiracy and treason good now

[DMC]

More bullshit glibness from DMC...when were they good?

US Allies. Opposed war in Iraq.

[DMC]

conspiracy and treason good now

:lol Treason!

[Pavlov]

On a flight, nothing else to do. Echo chamber posting ain't my thing.Actually it is. You're just using a different chamber.

Regurgitating pro-Trump talking points is your thing.

[DMC]

Actually it is. You're just using a different chamber.

Regurgitating pro-Trump talking points is your thing.

That makes no sense.

[boutons_deux]

How Terrible a Lawyer is Rudy?

the Trump Tower Moscow deal that apparently remained live through the 2016 election.


The last time Giuliani admitted a fact that was not publicly known, it was to get ahead of the Stormy Daniels story before it was disclosed in a likely indictment of Cohen.

It seems safe to assume that

he is revealing the fact that Trump was negotiating the Trump Tower Moscow deal/bribe in the closing days of the election for the same reason.

Cohen’s office was raided on April 9th and not coincidentally, Giuliani announced as Trump’s new lawyer on April 19th.

Looks to me like Giuliani is trying to construct a firewall here.

Admitting the fact that the negotiations were taking place right up to the election so that he can deny the evidence that they continued after Trump won.

Also significant is the obvious lie that the Moscow Tower deal was known about.

Like the Trump Tower meeting it was vociferously denied both before the election and after the inaugural.


It seems clear that in private discussions

Trump’s team has a running conversation about a very damaging set of facts,

an effort to conceal a lot of those facts but also a parallel effort to stand up legal theories that those facts don’t equate to crimes.

In Giuliani’s partial defense, the facts appear to be really, really, really bad and

the relentlessness of the Mueller probe is making it extremely difficult to keep them secret.

So standing up defenses on the law is both necessary and inevitable, as far-fetched as they may be.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/how-terrible-a-lawyer-is-rudy (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/how-terrible-a-lawyer-is-rudy)

[Winehole23]

False

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1074037369559339008

1074042082614927361Filed FARA ex-post, like I said.

What do you think about NATSEC advisors in the employ of foreign governments?

[DMC]

Filed FARA ex-post, like I said.

What do you think about NATSEC advisors in the employ of foreign governments?

Is that new?

[djohn2oo8]

US Allies. Opposed war in Iraq.
You need to go back and check the history all the way up until now. Dumb fuck :lol

[Pavlov]

That makes no sense.Of course it does.

You're white-knighting with your "the press were mean to Trump" counter to Russian interference in the US election.

THAT makes no sense, chirpy.

[Pavlov]

Is that new?What are your other examples of such employment?

Let's see them.

[djohn2oo8]

Of course it does.

You're white-knighting with your "the press were mean to Trump" counter to Russian interference in the US election.

THAT makes no sense, chirpy.
Lol his Turkey comment.

[DMC]

Of course it does.

You're white-knighting with your "the press were mean to Trump" counter to Russian interference in the US election.

THAT makes no sense, chirpy.

So there are people here echoing that? If not, you don't understand what the term means.

[DMC]

What are your other examples of such employment?

Let's see them.

I am asking

[djohn2oo8]

Chirp

[DMC]

March 10, 2017

WASHINGTON — The candidate he was advising last fall was running on a platform of America First. The client he was working for last fall was paying him more than $500,000 to put Turkey first.

Michael T. Flynn, who went from the campaign trail to the White House as President Trump’s first national security adviser, filed papers this week acknowledging that he worked as a foreign agent last year representing the interests of the Turkish government in a dispute with the United States.

Almost 2 years old

[DMC]

:wakeup

[Pavlov]

So there are people here echoing that? If not, you don't understand what the term means.
lol this is the only echo chamber that exists in the world?

Stick to chirping.

[baseline bum]

More bullshit glibness from DMC...when were they good?

Before Erdogan when they were secular and not some Islamic shithole.

[djohn2oo8]

Flynn never declared his status as a Turkish agent until after he was fired by Trump. The conceit that Flynn is an innocent man entrapped by corrupt LE just got a lot harder to believe.


March 10, 2017

WASHINGTON — The candidate he was advising last fall was running on a platform of America First. The client he was working for last fall was paying him more than $500,000 to put Turkey first.

Michael T. Flynn, who went from the campaign trail to the White House as President Trump’s first national security adviser, filed papers this week acknowledging that he worked as a foreign agent last year representing the interests of the Turkish government in a dispute with the United States.

Almost 2 years old
Yeah this was after he was fired. DMC with another dumbass chirp

[Pavlov]

I am asking
None that I know of.


Do you think there are?

[DMC]

None that I know of.


Do you think there are?

Preconceptions aren't my thing

[DMC]

Yeah this was after he was fired. DMC with another dumbass chirp

Was he NatSec when he was being paid?

[djohn2oo8]

Preconceptions aren't my thing
Neither is thinking.

[Pavlov]

Preconceptions aren't my thing

Chirping is your thing.

[DMC]

Neither is thinking.

Says the forum chicken little

[djohn2oo8]

Was he NatSec when he was being paid?
He failed to disclose it until after he was fired. Now he’s got another grand jury investigating him :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Says the forum chicken little
You currently think the US and Turkey are in good standing with each other, which you believe to be true because of something 16 years ago :lol

[TSA]

Filed FARA ex-post, like I said.

What do you think about NATSEC advisors in the employ of foreign governments?

You never said filed FARA ex-post. Flynn wasn’t lobbying when he was NATSEC advisor. FIG already shut down lobbying work.


Flynn never declared his status as a Turkish agent until after he was fired by Trump.

Flynn became a senior advisor to Trump during his presidential campaign and served as the National Security Advisor from January 20 to February 13, 2017. Flynn Intel Group shut down the operation December 1, 2016.

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[DMC]

He failed to disclose it until after he was fired. Now he’s got another grand jury investigating him :lol

We knew this 2 years ago

[TSA]

He failed to disclose it until after he was fired. Now he’s got another grand jury investigating him :lol

You’re just as wrong as winehole.

[DMC]

DJergens with the hot take :lol

[Winehole23]

We knew this 2 years agoIt's just as startling now.

What do you think about NATSEC advisors being on the payroll of foreign countries without voters knowing about it?

[Winehole23]

You’re just as wrong as winehole.You see no conflicts of interest or ethical issue here?

[DMC]

You currently think the US and Turkey are in good standing with each other, which you believe to be true because of something 16 years ago :lol

Allies yes or no

[DMC]

It's just as startling now.

What do you think about NATSEC advisors being on the payroll of foreign countries without voters knowing about it?

Kennedy got shot in Dallas

[Winehole23]

Was he NatSec when he was being paid?He was advising the President to be. Do you not see a problem with that?

[DMC]

He was advising the President to be. Do you not see a problem with that?

So no.

[Pavlov]

Flynn lied about Turkey.

He admitted it.


On March 7, 2017, FLYNN filed multiple documents with the Department of Justice pursuant to the Foreign Agents Registration Act ("FARA") pertaining to a project performed by him and his company, the Flynn Intel Group, Inc. ("FIG"), for the principal benefit of the Republic of Turkey ("Turkey project"). In the FARA filings, FLYNN made materially false statements and omissions, including by falsely stating that (a) FIG did not know whether or the extent to which the Republic of Turkey was involved in the Turkey project, (b) the Turkey project was focused on improving U.S. business organizations' confidence regarding doing business in Turkey, and (c) an op-ed by FLYNN published in The Hill on November 8, 2016, was written at his own initiative; and by omitting that officials from the Republic of Turkey provided supervision and direction over the Turkey project.

Was he tricked into lying about this too?

[djohn2oo8]

So no.
Seems the EDVA has a problem with it :)

[clambake]

On a flight, nothing else to do. Echo chamber posting ain't my thing.

ahhh, big chief in iron bird drink fire water.

[Spurs Homer]

ahhh, big chief in iron bird drink fire water and defend red man killer.


fify

[Chris]

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Duows--WkAAXbBM.jpg:largeyou said Flynn's conviction would be overturned tomorrow.

still think so?

[Winehole23]

NO COLLUSION --> COLLUSION ISN'T A CRIME --> COLLUSION DOESN'T COUNT IF IT HAPPENED BEFORE THE ELECTION

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[djohn2oo8]

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