Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[djohn2oo8]

Mueller does not put Trump in prison, a jury and judge do.
Yep.

[TSA]

You actually said Trump would never be indicted or go to jail period but I digress

If that was the bet...why did you abandon this thread and go into hiding when Mueller closed his investigation and didn't put Trump or family in prison?

[TSA]

1109201419188535299

Where’s that little bitch djohn2oo8 :lmao

I’m here to collect my $2000. Chris you’ll have $500 of that headed your way. :bobo

3/22/2019 was the day djohn lost the bet and had to run and hide from his own thread :lmao

[TSA]

I thought you went into hiding for a couple months but now looking back on it it was closer to a year :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Wanna know who is still not indicted? Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, Kushner.
1/4

[djohn2oo8]

We've already got $500 on Trump going to prison. Do you want to add Kushner, Ivanka, and Don Jr for another $500 each?
Oh look.

[TSA]

Oh look.

What happened on 3/22/2019 that made you abandon your own thread and avoid the political forum for almost a year?

[djohn2oo8]

We've already got $500 on Trump going to prison. Do you want to add Kushner, Ivanka, and Don Jr for another $500 each?

[djohn2oo8]

Guess you’re a bitch ass welsher

[TSA]

Guess you’re a bitch ass welsher

March 2018

We've already got $500 on Trump going to prison. Do you want to add Kushner, Ivanka, and Don Jr for another $500 each?


March 2019

Where’s that little bitch @djohn2oo8 :lmao

I’m here to collect my $2000. Chris you’ll have $500 of that headed your way. :bobo

What happened on March 22nd 2019 that caused you to go into hiding from the political forum for almost a year?

[TSA]

Poor fella can't even come up with a lie for why he went into hiding :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

Funny you don't see TSAnon stannnig "King Spook" Mike Flynn anymore.

What happened?

[Winehole23]

9Jz1TjCphXE


On Friday, the Department of Justice dropped a key objection to the release of more than 4,500 pages of documents related to the Durham investigation, the Trump-era inquiry into the origins of the FBI’s probe of the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia. The DOJ had previously withheld the records claiming that their disclosure would interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. Instead of filing an anticipated brief that would have defended the withholdings, the department withdrew its assertion of the “ongoing investigation” exemption — strongly suggesting that the Durham investigation has been closed.https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-receives-indication-that-durham-investigation-has-closed

[Spurs Homer]

Guess you’re a bitch ass welsher

Durham putting ZERO in jumpsuits….lol investigate the investigators!


lol

[TSA]

we already know the probe was not a "hoax"

horowitz report said the investigation was started for proper purpose or proper factual predicate or whatever

:rollin

[TSA]

3/22/2019 was the day djohn lost the bet and had to run and hide from his own thread :lmao

5/15/2023 was the day djohn had to run and hide from another of his own threads :lmao

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287389

[TSA]

IG already said it was properly predicated even if FISA applications were crap

:rollin

[spurraider21]

still true :tu

[TSA]

the investigation was properly predicated before the dossier. the surveillance issues are problematic, IG already went into that at length.:rollin

[TSA]

still true :tu

The only thing true about it is that Horowitz said it. He was wrong in his conclusion and I brought this up 3 years ago how an Inspector General was limited in his investigation compared to a Special Counsel.

Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated as laid out here by Durham.

Although the Counterintelligence Division did eventually seek information about
Papadopoulos, the Office found no indications from witness testimony, electronic
communications, emails, calendar entries, or other documentation that, at the time, the FBI
gave any consideration to the actual trustworthiness of the information the diplomats received from Papadopoulos - an individual whom they described as, among other things,
"insecure" and "trying to impress" them. The information from Papadopoulos was clearly raw and unevaluated. It was not the
product of normal Intelligence Community collection and analysis, and it lacked the
standard caveats accompanying uncorroborated information from an individual whose
information was being seen for the first time. The information - involving an ongoing
presidential campaign - was precisely the kind of unevaluated information that required
rigorous analysis in order to assess its relevance and value. Nevertheless, the FBI
predicated Crossfire Hurricane and its subsequent investigative activities, including the use
of CHSs, undercover operations and FISA coverage, on the statements attributed to
Papadopoulos.
Thus, at the time of opening Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI had (i) publicly available
information concerning Papadopoulos's role in the campaign as a volunteer foreign policy
adviser, (ii) information obtained from Papadopoulos by the Australian diplomats, (iii)
information about Russia's likely election interference activities, (iv) Trump's public
statements about Russia, and (v) unvetted media reporting on possible ties between Trump
and Russian businessmen. Significantly, beyond this, the FBI's Counterintelligence
Division and its Crossfire Hurricane investigators did not possess any intelligence or other
vetted, corroborated information regarding Trump or his campaign staff colluding with the
Russian government. The FBI OGC Unit Chief who advised on many Crossfire Hurricane
matters and approved the case being opened as a SIM, ("FBI OGC Unit Chief-1") noted that she
lacked "knowledge of alleged ... ties between the Trump campaign and Russia prior to the (Crossfire Hurricane] investigation being formally opened."249 The FBI Inspection Division
Report describes similar statements by others. As noted in that FBI internal review, "[t]his total
lack of intelligence did not appear to have been considered significant [ ]" when opening a full
investigation on persons associated with an active presidential campaign.
As the record now reflects, at the time of the opening of Crossfire Hurricane, the FBI did
not possess any intelligence showing that anyone associated with the Trump campaign was in
contact with Russian intelligence officers at any point during the campaign.

[spurraider21]

im going to spare you the part where i quote the horowitz report saying the opposite

[spurraider21]

I predicted Horowitz will bring charges based on 8 top DOJ/FBI officials resigning/demoted from his investigation’s findings.

I’m content to sit back and let Horowitz decide what charges to recommend.
:lol im content to let horowitz decide what happens

:madrun horowitz was wrong grrr :madrun

[spurraider21]

But yes I'm all in on the OIG report.


I brought this up 3 years ago how an Inspector General was limited in his investigation compared to a Special Counsel.
:lmao

[spurraider21]

The more information that comes out from the OIG investigation into the politicization of the FBI/DOJ the more I am convinced that Mueller purposely assembled a team of Hillary supporters knowing the OIG would be investigating them while they investigated muh Russia. Remember that Trump met with Mueller privately the day before Mueller was named special counsel.
as long as we are digging up old takes about the OIG :lol

[TSA]

tell me though, before the OIG releases their report on the FISA process... if the report doesn't expose this whole thing as an obvious witch-hunt/setup/entrapment, are you going to point to some other unknown future event? as in, are you going to say "this doesn't mean anything! we're still waiting for _______"

or are you all-in on the OIG report? if not, tell me now what future events you'd be waiting on.

If only I had known Durham was going to expose the whole thing :lol

[spurraider21]

If only I had known Durham was going to expose the whole thing :lol
durham exposed that in his opinion, they should have launched a preliminary investigation instead of an investigation

THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN

:lmao

[TSA]

durham exposed that in his opinion, they should have launched a preliminary investigation instead of an investigation

THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN

:lmao

I showed you the difference between a preliminary and full investigation yesterday...do you need it explained to you again?

Had the FBI followed protocol and done a preliminary investigation on Papadapolous and actually followed up and interviewed him and investigated his claims they would have found out he had zero ties to Russian intelligence and knew nothing about any Russian plans and the preliminary investigation would have been closed.

[Winehole23]

if wishes were horses, beggars would ride!

[Winehole23]

:lol

[Spurs Homer]

I showed you the difference between a preliminary and full investigation yesterday...do you need it explained to you again?

Had the FBI followed protocol and done a preliminary investigation on Papadapolous and actually followed up and interviewed him and investigated his claims they would have found out he had zero ties to Russian intelligence and knew nothing about any Russian plans and the preliminary investigation would have been closed.

in your fantasy scenario:

what would have happened if they had closed this fantasy preliminary investigation...

and then discovered later that 5 hours after trump invited russia to attack a usa citizen - russia complied and attacked the servers?

would you and your comrades need ANOTHER 4 year investigation of deflections, denials and lies and conspiracies

to be right back in the same place again?


hahahahahaha!

[Spurs Homer]

Not even sure if this is the treason thread to post this in;


https://www.npr.org/2023/05/31/1179158199/tara-reade-biden-sexual-assault-russian-citizenship


another russian spy/traitor/republican/cultist/magat. Going back home to russia…after falsely accusing biden of sex crimes…

when will george “devolder” (spelled backwards= redloved) santos defect back to russia?

when will comrade TSA go back?

[TSA]

IG already said it was properly predicated even if FISA applications were crap

https://twitter.com/RepBarryMoore/status/1671513753815482369

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/NEWSMAX/status/1671521012788391936

Have been waiting for RandomGuy thoughts on all this but he's been mysteriously missing from any of these topics.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1671520192097136645

where you at djohn2oo8 :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Not much of a victory lap, TSA.

Sorry things didn't work out for you.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/NEWSMAX/status/1671521012788391936

Have been waiting for RandomGuy thoughts on all this but he's been mysteriously missing from any of these topics.

Haven't been on ST for a few days. Been missing from all topics.

This sounds like another shit sandwich that you have been convinced is delicious by the poisonous echo chamber you inhabit.

The pizzagate shit sandwich you smeared all over your face, despite being told by people here that it was a shit sandwich, should have been your wake up call that you are eating shit sandwiches. You realized it was a shit sandwich eventually, washed up, and the same people that served you that shit sandwich, prepped another one. You took the plate with the "mueller is really investigating democrats" shit sandwich then chomped away at that, despite being told by people here that it was a shit sandwich. Once you realized that was indeed a shit sandwich, you washed up, got a breath mint and asked for more.

Time after time, after time.

you just never learn.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/RepBarryMoore/status/1671513753815482369
1204799094151155713

[TSA]

1204799094151155713

Horowitz ended up being completely wrong. Can't blame him though as he did not have access to same evidence as Durham and didn't have power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony.

[TSA]

Haven't been on ST for a few days. Been missing from all topics.You are such a disingenuous coward :lol You were running around here tagging me and spamming Trump indictment news in threads that had nothing to do with Trump.



This sounds like another shit sandwich that you have been convinced is delicious by the poisonous echo chamber you inhabit.

The pizzagate shit sandwich you smeared all over your face, despite being told by people here that it was a shit sandwich, should have been your wake up call that you are eating shit sandwiches. You realized it was a shit sandwich eventually, washed up, and the same people that served you that shit sandwich, prepped another one. You took the plate with the "mueller is really investigating democrats" shit sandwich then chomped away at that, despite being told by people here that it was a shit sandwich. Once you realized that was indeed a shit sandwich, you washed up, got a breath mint and asked for more.

Time after time, after time.

you just never learn.Let's see if you have any honor whatsoever.

Did you eat up the Russiagate shit sandwich and come back for more time after time despite me telling you it was a hoax from the start?

[Spurs Homer]

Hahahahaha!

comrade TSA gonna die on the GYM JORDAN propaganda committee now!

the predicate to open ANY investigation - is NEVER based on what trumpers, gym jordan, putin, comrade tsa

or ANYONE else prefers or makes up

the EVIDENCE and PROBABLE CAUSE that there might be crimes committed is what ANY proper investigative agency base their opening of ANY investigation

but comrade tsa will swallow all the propaganda that the right wing traitors serve up 24/7

[TSA]

Hahahahaha!

comrade TSA gonna die on the GYM JORDAN propaganda committee now!

the predicate to open ANY investigation - is NEVER based on what trumpers, gym jordan, putin, comrade tsa

or ANYONE else prefers or makes up

the EVIDENCE and PROBABLE CAUSE that there might be crimes committed is what ANY proper investigative agency base their opening of ANY investigation

but comrade tsa will swallow all the propaganda that the right wing traitors serve up 24/7

Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated. That isn't up for dispute anymore.

[TSA]

Washington Post is the most accurate. Let's just say many of these outlets sat on the Steele dossier for months. CNN being the slowest to break any story because Zucker is friends with Jared and Ivanka.

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1671539140645511169

:rollin

[TSA]

I didn't realize how all in RandomGuy went on the Steele dossier :lol

[Ef-man]

Hahahahaha!

comrade TSA gonna die on the GYM JORDAN propaganda committee now!

the predicate to open ANY investigation - is NEVER based on what trumpers, gym jordan, putin, comrade tsa

or ANYONE else prefers or makes up

the EVIDENCE and PROBABLE CAUSE that there might be crimes committed is what ANY proper investigative agency base their opening of ANY investigation

but comrade tsa will swallow all the propaganda that the right wing traitors serve up 24/7

Seriously, he has become thodren with all the conspiracies he believes in.

How can anyone believe that he is anything but an idiot that is not even respected by his children?

[Spurs Homer]

Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated. That isn't up for dispute anymore.

its absurd on its face

you saw with your own eyes and ears the news when:

australia warned usa intel of russians helping trump campaign
trump tower (“adoptions” mtg
kilimnik gettting campaign pollin data
treason at helsinki
trump asking russia to attack usa citizen (“russia if you are listening…”)

mueller report pointing out MANY instances of illicit contacts, russia helping trump team/trump team welcoming help


IG report already cleared it and said it was properly opened

yet

durham- who is just like you- and was appointed by bill barr who is a traitor like you


and after all the proof- your propaganda orders are to still claim garbage propaganda

you are absolutely still defending the traitors who attempted a coup- and arrogantly promoted pizzagate



:lol:lol:lol

[Spurs Homer]

Seriously, he has become thodren with all the conspiracies he believes in.

How can anyone believe that he is anything but an idiot that is not even respected by his children?

yup

he has been CORRECTED hundreds of times by the FACTS- yet continues on like an idiot or an actor not sure which!

[Ef-man]

yup

he has been CORRECTED hundreds of times by the FACTS- yet continues on like an idiot or an actor not sure which!

Yes, he is an online troll for sure but something tells me, because of his dedication to conspiracies, that it carries over to real life.

Imagine being one of his family members? Fuck, what a sad life!!!

[TSA]

Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?


That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.


Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.


Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.


The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.


What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.


Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.


Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.


After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.


I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.


They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.


Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?


Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.


I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin


Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?


That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.


Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.


So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.


Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.


There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.


:lol trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?


I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1671539140645511169

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao

[Spurs Homer]

lol

TSA actually believes DURHAM was not planted by trump and barr to promote russian propaganda

[Spurs Homer]

Will be recording tonites repeat re-airing of this durham hearing as reports are coming in that dems destroyed most of durhams lies and propaganda…

durham when asked if he investigated the evidence the italians offered pointing to trump crimes: “that was not in my purview!”

hahahahahahaha!

swallwell grilled his ass on all of the contacts/meetings, etc between trump team and russians

which durham had zero pushback on


lol TSA fooled again

[ElNono]

Horowitz ended up being completely wrong. Can't blame him though as he did not have access to same evidence as Durham and didn't have power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony.

Durham didn't discover anything actionable Horowitz didn't already discover.

Also:
Durham, for his part, stood by the findings of the report and defended himself from Democratic criticism for the duration of the hearing. He broke with Trump on several key points, praising both Mueller and Barr, both of whom Trump has publicly decried. He also affirmed that there was “substantial evidence” of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/21/durham-testifies-before-house-judiciary-committee-on-trump-russia-probe-00103006

Is Trump completely wrong?

[DarrinS]

It was all bullshit

[ElNono]

It was all bullshit

People don't generally end up in jail for "bullshit"... Mueller proved it was not all bullshit. Durham simply proved Horowitz and Mueller were correct.

[DarrinS]

And everyone it

[DarrinS]

People don't generally end up in jail for "bullshit"... Mueller proved it was not all bullshit. Durham simply proved Horowitz and Mueller were correct.

Derp derp duuur

[ElNono]

Derp derp duuur

What does this mean? According to TSA, Durham had power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony, and didn't think it was all bullshit.

But you know better because?

[DarrinS]

Muh Russia

[ElNono]

Muh Russia

Darrin folds

[DarrinS]

This many years later, they're holding onto this bs.

[ElNono]

This many years later, they're holding onto this bs.

It was the GOP House that called this in.

[DarrinS]

It was the GOP House that called this in.

And it was absolute bs

[pgardn]

And it was absolute bs

Russia interfered with our elections in 2016.
Trump did NOT make plans with Russia to help win in 2016.
Trump did appreciate and encourage Russia in its attempts.

End of story. Sorry Daddy D.
Lotta wrong going on in your head.

[ChumpDumper]

Muh Russiamuh drunk Darrin

[ElNono]

And it was absolute bs

That investigation was started during the previous administration, tbh... I guess you disagree with them too

[Ef-man]

And everyone it


muh drunk Darrin

Drunk as a skunk.

[Spurs Homer]

Russia interfered with our elections in 2016.
Trump did NOT make plans with Russia to help win in 2016.
Trump did appreciate and encourage Russia in its attempts.

End of story. Sorry Daddy D.
Lotta wrong going on in your head.

so manafort giving a russian intel spy polling data and hrc’s campaign strategy- so that russia could leak out info packaged with propaganda to help the trump campaign/ hurt hrc campaign

is NOT- making plans with russia?

trump saying to russia- “russia if you are listening…” and five hours later, russia does exactly as asked
and then disseminates the stolen shit thru wikileaks/dc leaks/roger stone and other cutouts…

while trump uses same stolen info hundreds of times in his campaign nazi rallies

is NOT equal to making plans with russia?

the fact that mueller was handcuffed with Barr handcuffs and not allowed to fully go after trump

and his govt friendly conclusion in his report does not mean trump had no thing going with russia

finally, do we know if any of our secrets were shared with russia?
not yet

[TSA]

Durham didn't discover anything actionable Horowitz didn't already discover.Durham had access to evidence/testimony of what started investigation that Horowitz didn't have.


Also:
Durham, for his part, stood by the findings of the report and defended himself from Democratic criticism for the duration of the hearing. He broke with Trump on several key points, praising both Mueller and Barr, both of whom Trump has publicly decried. He also affirmed that there was “substantial evidence” of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/21/durham-testifies-before-house-judiciary-committee-on-trump-russia-probe-00103006

Is Trump completely wrong?Dumb question.

"He broke with Trump on several key points"

Your own quote proves Trump wasn't completely wrong.

[TSA]

People don't generally end up in jail for "bullshit"... Mueller proved it was not all bullshit. Durham simply proved Horowitz and Mueller were correct.

Mueller didn't put anyone in jail for colluding with Russia...aka Russiagate. Mueller stated no one colluded with Russia. Durham went further and said Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated and should never have been opened based on the evidence they used. Darrin is correct. It was all bulllshit.

[TSA]

Russia interfered with our elections in 2016.
Trump did NOT make plans with Russia to help win in 2016.
Trump did appreciate and encourage Russia in its attempts.Agreed.


End of story. Sorry Daddy D.
Lotta wrong going on in your head.
You left quite a bit out of the story.

Hillary's campaign paid foreign nationals to interfere in our elections.
Hillary's campaign paid for knowingly false information to be fed to the FBI willing to help her interfere in our elections.
FBI completely broke protocol in opening investigation into candidate and then President Trump.
FBI continued to repeatedly break protocol and lie to the FISC to keep investigation open into President Trump when they knew their main source was full of shit.

[pgardn]

so manafort giving a russian intel spy polling data and hrc’s campaign strategy- so that russia could leak out info packaged with propaganda to help the trump campaign/ hurt hrc campaign

is NOT- making plans with russia?

trump saying to russia- “russia if you are listening…” and five hours later, russia does exactly as asked
and then disseminates the stolen shit thru wikileaks/dc leaks/roger stone and other cutouts…

while trump uses same stolen info hundreds of times in his campaign nazi rallies

is NOT equal to making plans with russia?

the fact that mueller was handcuffed with Barr handcuffs and not allowed to fully go after trump

and his govt friendly conclusion in his report does not mean trump had no thing going with russia

finally, do we know if any of our secrets were shared with russia?
not yet

His conclusion is that Trump did NOT collude with Russia.
Biden can call for another investigation after he wins the election if he wants.
And the blue team should have zero reason to not have the House and Senate behind him if Trump is the red team candidate.
There should be no reason for the blue team to overwhelming go after a new investigation if collusion is a slam dunk.

And spying between Russia and the US is ongoing. We know Chinese spies were at Mar a Lago. We dont know what they got out with.
If you know Russia was given vital secrets to Russia lets see the evidence. I imagine Russia has gotten a lot more through "standard" channels just like we get from their defectors and such.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sorry this is happening to you, TSA.

[pgardn]

Agreed.


You left quite a bit out of the story.

Hillary's campaign paid foreign nationals to interfere in our elections.
Hillary's campaign paid for knowingly false information to be fed to the FBI willing to help her interfere in our elections.
FBI completely broke protocol in opening investigation into candidate and then President Trump.
FBI continued to repeatedly break protocol and lie to the FISC to keep investigation open into President Trump when they knew their main source was full of shit.

pure bullshit mixed with a bunch of deflections about what the FBI did. That has nothing to do with the finding of no collusion. The FBI has been exposed for very little comparatively. Its nothing new to have rogue elements. What you put up is minor league comparatively.
Trump and his stupid ramblings beg to be investigated you fkn idiot.
Thats why the Mar a Lago stuff should be a slam dunk if we actually get a sane jury.
Trump outs himself. He has always asked to be investigated.

[benefactor]

Drunk as a skunk.
Its beyond obvious when he shows up on ST 20 Coors Lights deep

[ElNono]

Durham had access to evidence/testimony of what started investigation that Horowitz didn't have.

And with that power and access, he didn't discover anything actionable Horowitz didn't already discover. At the end of the day, Clinesmith was the only guilty party, something that came directly from Horowitz.


Dumb question.

"He broke with Trump on several key points"

Your own quote proves Trump wasn't completely wrong.

It's built on your premise, which I'm pointing out is indeed dumb. You're the one advancing Durham must be correct and anybody that disagrees is completely wrong (your words) because he "had access to evidence/testimony" and "have power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony."

So under your premise, if Durham is correct on Barr, Mueller and election interference, Trump is completely wrong on that, right?

[ElNono]

Mueller didn't put anyone in jail for colluding with Russia...aka Russiagate. Mueller stated no one colluded with Russia. Durham went further and said Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated and should never have been opened based on the evidence they used. Darrin is correct. It was all bulllshit.

Mueller certainly did put people in jail as part of his Russian interference investigation. Both him and Durham agreed that Russian interference was indeed real and had substantial evidence. So it wasn't all bullshit. Again, people don't go to jail for bullshit.

If you want to constrict this to just collusion with Russia, that's your thing, but that wasn't merely the extent of the Mueller investigation, as you know very well.

You're also incorrect on Durham. Durham did say a preliminary investigation should've been opened. What he disagreed with was on a full investigation.

[TSA]

pure bullshit mixed with a bunch of deflections about what the FBI did. That has nothing to do with the finding of no collusion. The FBI has been exposed for very little comparatively. Its nothing new to have rogue elements. What you put up is minor league comparatively.
Trump and his stupid ramblings beg to be investigated you fkn idiot.
Thats why the Mar a Lago stuff should be a slam dunk if we actually get a sane jury.
Trump outs himself. He has always asked to be investigated.

You bring up Russia interfering in our election and I agreed. I bring up Hillary paying foreign nationals to interfere in our election and you dissemble. You're a disingenuous fraud.

[TSA]

And with that power and access, he didn't discover anything actionable Horowitz didn't already discover. At the end of the day, Clinesmith was the only guilty party, something that came directly from Horowitz.



It's built on your premise, which I'm pointing out is indeed dumb. You're the one advancing Durham must be correct and anybody that disagrees is completely wrong (your words) because he "had access to evidence/testimony" and "have power of grand jury to produce evidence/testimony."

So under your premise, if Durham is correct on Barr, Mueller and election interference, Trump is completely wrong on that, right?

You're trying to drag this into the weeds when my statement of Horowitz being wrong was specific to the investigation being properly predicated.

[TSA]

Mueller certainly did put people in jail as part of his Russian interference investigation. Both him and Durham agreed that Russian interference was indeed real and had substantial evidence. So it wasn't all bullshit. Again, people don't go to jail for bullshit.

If you want to constrict this to just collusion with Russia, that's your thing, but that wasn't merely the extent of the Mueller investigation, as you know very well.

You're also incorrect on Durham. Durham did say a preliminary investigation should've been opened. What he disagreed with was on a full investigation.
I'm not incorrect on Durham. Crossfire Hurricane was not a preliminary investigation, it was a full investigation. Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated therefore it should never have been opened. No clue why you are trying to argue this point.

[TSA]

Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?


That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.


Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.


Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.


The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.


What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.


Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.


Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.


After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.


I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.


They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.


Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?


Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.
Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin


Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?


That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.


Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.


So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.


Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.


There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.


trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?


I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.
RandomGuy I see you lurking. Which of these do regret saying the most? :rollin

[spurraider21]

Mueller didn't put anyone in jail for colluding with Russia...aka Russiagate. Mueller stated no one colluded with Russia. Durham went further and said Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated and should never have been opened based on the evidence they used. Darrin is correct. It was all bulllshit.
mueller stated that they did not establish evidence of it, and also noted there was a lot of obstruction in their investigation and all but said that there was actionable obstruction of justice

[Winehole23]

TSA can't tell a straight tale

[TSA]

mueller stated that they did not establish evidence of it, and also noted there was a lot of obstruction in their investigation and all but said that there was actionable obstruction of justice

If you want to nitpick at least be consistent and nitpick with others stating the same as me.


Trump did NOT make plans with Russia to help win in 2016.

Mueller's investigation never should have happened in the first place so his thoughts on obstruction of justice don't carry any weight for me.

[ChumpDumper]

Mueller's investigation never should have happened in the first place so his thoughts on obstruction of justice don't carry any weight for me.:lol

In your opinion, has Trump ever committed any crime in his life?

[spurraider21]

Mueller's investigation never should have happened in the first place so his thoughts on obstruction of justice don't carry any weight for me.
lmao

[Winehole23]

If you want to nitpick at least be consistent and nitpick with others stating the same as me.



Mueller's investigation never should have happened in the first place so his thoughts on obstruction of justice don't carry any weight for me.why were so many people willing to risk jail time lying to investigators? if there was nothing to hide, why lie so much about it?

[Spurs Homer]

His conclusion is that Trump did NOT collude with Russia.
Biden can call for another investigation after he wins the election if he wants.
And the blue team should have zero reason to not have the House and Senate behind him if Trump is the red team candidate.
There should be no reason for the blue team to overwhelming go after a new investigation if collusion is a slam dunk.

And spying between Russia and the US is ongoing. We know Chinese spies were at Mar a Lago. We dont know what they got out with.
If you know Russia was given vital secrets to Russia lets see the evidence. I imagine Russia has gotten a lot more through "standard" channels just like we get from their defectors and such.

mueller (again) did NOT conclude that trump and russia did not collude

he concluded that a trump and russia CONSPIRACY was not able to be proven in court as there is a really high bar and all his ducks were not in a row - MAINLY BECAUSE EVERY TRUMP TEAM MEMBER LIED about their contacts including trump

he did conclude that THERE WAS PLENTY OF ILLICIT CONTACTS between trump/russia with russia helping trump and hurting hrc

and trump team willingly accepting the help

the reason trump and russia ingrained the word “collusion” in our language/culture is because they are well aware that “collusion” is not an actual law that can be obeyed or broken

but the examples i gave already many times are the definition of collusion

they were playing for the same team - trump and russia

trumpers and russians always point to “no collusion” as if that makes trumps unpatriotic actions acceptable

they are not


as for classified docs in russias hands- we dont know yet- hopefully jack smith uncovers trumps treasonous actions regarding his stealing of the usa secrets

[TSA]

I see you again lurking RandomGuy. Stop being such a pussy and tell me which of your Steele dick sucking quotes you regret the most. I'll keep posting your quotes on every new page until you answer.

[Spurs Homer]

I see you again lurking RandomGuy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1813). Stop being such a pussy and tell me which of your Steele dick sucking quotes you regret the most. I'll keep posting your quotes on every new page until you answer.


what makes you continue to defend the guy that attacked our democracy by orchestrating a coup and then watching for three hours while capitol police were being attacked?

why are you rooting for the enemies of the usa?

[Chucho]

Russia interfered with our elections in 2016.


What was the measurable effect their interference had in the election? Do you really think Russian bots running ads and smears like all Murican politicians do, swung the election in Trump's favor?

The Dem's racist candidate picked the wrong time to be a self-hating white hypocrite who alienated most of her would-be supporters by calling them deplorable and choked a 7-10 point lead 1 week into the election.

You guys got to stop running old racists who hate blacks and gays in the past but lie about it today. It was socially acceptable for Democrats to be openly racist and bigoted in the 90s and 00's, but yuse guys really got to cut that shit out, if not, just admit you're no different than Repubs.

[ChumpDumper]

What was the measurable effect their interference had in the election? Do you really think Russian bots running ads and smears like all Murican politicians do, swung the election in Trump's favor?

The Dem's racist candidate picked the wrong time to be a self-hating white hypocrite who alienated most of her would-be supporters by calling them deplorable and choked a 7-10 point lead 1 week into the election.


I guess -- but all it really takes to swing an election is less than 100,000 votes. It's not inconceivable to think facebook shitposting alone could do that.

And 1 week out was when the Comey announcement about heremails was made....

[Chucho]

I guess -- but all it really takes to swing an election is less than 100,000 votes. It's not inconceivable to think facebook shitposting alone could do that.

And 1 week out was when the Comey announcement about heremails was made....

Your team ran a racist who thought people didn't have memories going back 20 years. She said publicly she was sick to her stomach at the idea of gay marriage. She said a lot of things the Blue team stood by 20 years ago that y'all try and shame people for today, especially during her run.

It was a bad choice and Team Blue running such an awful candidate was more responsible for their loss than anything else. I guess running racist, biggoted crooks isn't exclusive to either side, to be fair.

[ChumpDumper]

Your team ran a racist who thought people didn't have memories going back 20 years. She said publicly she was sick to her stomach at the idea of gay marriage. She said a lot of things the Blue team stood by 20 years ago that y'all try and shame people for today, especially during her run.

It was a bad choice and Team Blue running such an awful candidate was more responsible for their loss than anything else. I guess running racist, biggoted crooks isn't exclusive to either side, to be fair.I'm not denying she was a bad candidate -- any woman is a "bad" candidate for POTUS in this country. I'm just saying in a close race it doesn't take much to influence the results. Many of the reasons people cited for not voting for Hillary were just made up fantasies that were indeed found in the shitposts.

[Spurs Homer]

What was the measurable effect their interference had in the election? Do you really think Russian bots running ads and smears like all Murican politicians do, swung the election in Trump's favor?

The Dem's racist candidate picked the wrong time to be a self-hating white hypocrite who alienated most of her would-be supporters by calling them deplorable and choked a 7-10 point lead 1 week into the election.

You guys got to stop running old racists who hate blacks and gays in the past but lie about it today. It was socially acceptable for Democrats to be openly racist and bigoted in the 90s and 00's, but yuse guys really got to cut that shit out, if not, just admit you're no different than Repubs.


here is the CORRECT question you want to ask:

Disregard what kind of a person/politician/racist/douchebag hrc was or was not- that is IRRELEVANT-

and ask- why would any american citizen who was offered help from the russians NOT run immediately to the FBI and report this contact and immediately denounce ANY kind of offers/help/assistance, etc

(you know- the EXACT SAME WAY BERNIE SANDERS DID WHEN ADVISED THAT RUSSIA SUPPORTED HIM)


and what kind of americans posting on the internet twist themselves into a pretzel to explain away and equivocate and defend and whatabout what really happened…

INSTEAD OF LOOKING UNFLINCHINGLY at the trump campaign and denouncing them - AND ONLY THEM - for accepting russias help and then lying to their own govt about their treasonous actions?

[TSA]

What was the measurable effect their interference had in the election? Do you really think Russian bots running ads and smears like all Murican politicians do, swung the election in Trump's favor?
Much less of an effect than in 2020 when the intelligence community put out the statement saying Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation and tech companies and MSM used that to bury the story and label it fake news.

[ChumpDumper]

Much less of an effect than in 2020 when the intelligence community put out the statement saying Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation and tech companies and MSM used that to bury the story and label it fake news.

Doubtful. Anti-Trump sentiment was baked in because he was such a shitty president who got thousands of citizens killed because he said stupid shit.

[TSA]

here is the CORRECT question you want to ask:

Disregard what kind of a person/politician/racist/douchebag hrc was or was not- that is IRRELEVANT-

and ask- why would any american citizen who was offered help from the russians NOT run immediately to the FBI and report this contact and immediately denounce ANY kind of offers/help/assistance, etc

(you know- the EXACT SAME WAY BERNIE SANDERS DID WHEN ADVISED THAT RUSSIA SUPPORTED HIM)


and what kind of americans posting on the internet twist themselves into a pretzel to explain away and equivocate and defend and whatabout what really happened…

INSTEAD OF LOOKING UNFLINCHINGLY at the trump campaign and denouncing them - AND ONLY THEM - for accepting russias help and then lying to their own govt about their treasonous actions?

Hillary's campaign paid a foreign national to interfere in the 2016 election and you are okay with that. All of your whining is falling on deaf ears.

[Ef-man]

TSA can't tell a straight tale

A twitter wall of "if's" and disingenuous posts should satisfy any conspiracy theorist.

Why don't people take him seriously?

Answer me!! Answer me!!! :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Hillary's campaign paid a foreign national to interfere in the 2016 election and you are okay with that. All of your whining is falling on deaf ears.


there is another pretzel twist of propaganda…

why are you still defending the guy indicted under the espionage act who already attempted a coup?

Run away from the question again, pussy traitor.

[ElNono]

You're trying to drag this into the weeds when my statement of Horowitz being wrong was specific to the investigation being properly predicated.

But it isn't wrong, because "properly predicated" in that context is merely an opinion. In terms of illegality or criminality, there was none, otherwise Durham would've prosecuted.

He didn't, because despite whatever tools were afforded to him, there was nothing illegal there. I know this doesn't work for your conspiracy of a shadow and corrupt FBI, but it is what it is.

Outside of Clinesmith, the other two cases he prosecuted were for lying to the FBI, which he couldn't prove.

Under the same premise and with the results at hand, one could also conclude that the Durham investigation was also not "properly predicated", considering he didn't find anything improper on it, and that whatever recommendations about internal procedures at the FBI in his report were already in place by the time he made his report available.


I'm not incorrect on Durham. Crossfire Hurricane was not a preliminary investigation, it was a full investigation. Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated therefore it should never have been opened. No clue why you are trying to argue this point.

All investigations start as preliminary, then move on to a full investigation if warranted. This isn't rocket science. As Mueller proved and Durham agreed, there was enough evidence of interference to conduct an investigation.

You could argue the investigation shouldn't have included collusion from the GOP, but that's an opinion, nothing more. The allegation was directly tied to interference, so it makes sense it would be investigated as well.

[ElNono]

What was the measurable effect their interference had in the election? Do you really think Russian bots running ads and smears like all Murican politicians do, swung the election in Trump's favor?

The Dem's racist candidate picked the wrong time to be a self-hating white hypocrite who alienated most of her would-be supporters by calling them deplorable and choked a 7-10 point lead 1 week into the election.

You guys got to stop running old racists who hate blacks and gays in the past but lie about it today. It was socially acceptable for Democrats to be openly racist and bigoted in the 90s and 00's, but yuse guys really got to cut that shit out, if not, just admit you're no different than Repubs.

She was a terrible candidate, there's no spinning that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But it isn't wrong, because "properly predicated" in that context is merely an opinion. In terms of illegality or criminality, there was none, otherwise Durham would've prosecuted.

He didn't, because despite whatever tools were afforded to him, there was nothing illegal there. I know this doesn't work for your conspiracy of a shadow and corrupt FBI, but it is what it is.

Outside of Clinesmith, the other two cases he prosecuted were for lying to the FBI, which he couldn't prove.

Under the same premise and with the results at hand, one could also conclude that the Durham investigation was also not "properly predicated", considering he didn't find anything improper on it, and that whatever recommendations about internal procedures at the FBI in his report were already in place by the time he made his report available.



All investigations start as preliminary, then move on to a full investigation if warranted. This isn't rocket science. As Mueller proved and Durham agreed, there was enough evidence of interference to conduct an investigation.

You could argue the investigation shouldn't have included collusion from the GOP, but that's an opinion, nothing more. The allegation was directly tied to interference, so it makes sense it would be investigated as well.

As for including the GOP. You have meetings with Russians that were lied about and Trump himself went and thanked the Russians publicly asking for more.

There was good reason to suspect collusion. They couldn't prove it so they refrained. Given the DoJ won't take a case unless they think they can without a doubt win it, there is still ambiguity as to what really went on.

[ElNono]

As for including the GOP. You have meetings with Russians that were lied about and Trump himself went and thanked the Russians publicly asking for more.

There was good reason to suspect collusion. They couldn't prove it so they refrained. Given the DoJ won't take a case unless they think they can without a doubt win it, there is still ambiguity as to what really went on.

Unless you're Durham...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Unless you're Durham...

Oh you're addressing copium. My bad.

[Chucho]

there is another pretzel twist of propaganda…

why are you still defending the guy indicted under the espionage act who already attempted a coup?

Run away from the question again, pussy traitor.

Shut up, Homer. No one cares what you think. For 3 years you've been auditioning for acceptance, you faggot. NO ONE likes you. Seriously. I will dig up "your friends" complimenting me shitting on you for being a faggot if you'd like.

I'm not kidding. You have NO idea how NO ONE likes you and have inboxed me insulting you. Give me just $25 and you can see my inbox so you can get your revenge on your "friends" you try too hard to impress, you sad, sad faggot.

[Spurs Homer]

Shut up, Homer. No one cares what you think. For 3 years you've been auditioning for acceptance, you faggot. NO ONE likes you. Seriously. I will dig up "your friends" complimenting me shitting on you for being a faggot if you'd like.

I'm not kidding. You have NO idea how NO ONE likes you and have inboxed me insulting you. Give me just $25 and you can see my inbox so you can get your revenge on your "friends" you try too hard to impress, you sad, sad faggot.

hahahaha!

fat hands melting down!

[Blake]

Shut up, Homer. No one cares what you think. For 3 years you've been auditioning for acceptance, you faggot. NO ONE likes you. Seriously. I will dig up "your friends" complimenting me shitting on you for being a faggot if you'd like.

I'm not kidding. You have NO idea how NO ONE likes you and have inboxed me insulting you. Give me just $25 and you can see my inbox so you can get your revenge on your "friends" you try too hard to impress, you sad, sad faggot.

:lmao chucho on a rampage today. And why $25 to see your inbox? Why not $2500? Why not free?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao chucho on a rampage today. And why $25 to see your inbox? Why not $2500? Why not free?That does make the bankroll brag pretty funny.

[Ef-man]

hahahaha!

fat hands melting down!

Only $25???

KFC must be having a great sale. :lol

[Spurs Homer]

:lol:lol:lol

[Chucho]

hahahaha!

fat hands melting down!

Oh look, the pick-me clown still thinks I'm DMC. No one likes you Homer. You're a taint-sniffing, Gooch-grease monkey looking for acknowledgement. I threw you a bone and you danced like the fucking monkey you are with no organ grinder playing.

There's absolutely nothing redeemable about you and you've completely struck out on a forum trying to be friends with a core of 2-3 guys running 4-8 accounts.

You're such a queer, there's no doubt Joey could fuck your world up.

Don't bother responding. Won't be read. I'll be back around in another month or so to shit on you while you'll make 20-30 posts about me again.

[Spurs Homer]

Oh look, the pick-me clown still thinks I'm DMC. No one likes you Homer. You're a taint-sniffing, Gooch-grease monkey looking for acknowledgement. I threw you a bone and you danced like the fucking monkey you are with no organ grinder playing.

There's absolutely nothing redeemable about you and you've completely struck out on a forum trying to be friends with a core of 2-3 guys running 4-8 accounts.

You're such a queer, there's no doubt Joey could fuck your world up.

Don't bother responding. Won't be read. I'll be back around in another month or so to shit on you while you'll make 20-30 posts about me again.



:lol:madrun

[Ef-man]

:lol:madrun

Definitely angry cause the KFC closed.

[Chucho]

Only $25???

KFC must be having a great sale. :lol

No. I'm confident you/homer (you're the same poster) couldnt muster the $25 to see my messages of people you solicit for friendship who have laughed at you, specifically when I've clowned you losers.

:lol try hards

:lol think I'm DMC

:lol looking for pats on the back and no one likes you guys

:lol irrelevant try-hard ankle biters like blake

[Chucho]

Definitely angry cause the KFC closed.

It took you five minutes to log in and out of your accounts.

You're totally fooling people.

Wont change the fact no one has given you that pat on the head you're so desperate for. You're the screaming voices no one listens to, but laughs at. You guys suck so bad.

[Ef-man]

It took you five minutes to log in and out of your accounts.

You're totally fooling people.

Wont change the fact no one has given you that pat on the head you're so desperate for. You're the screaming voices no one listens to, but laughs at. You guys suck so bad.

Chucho, you magnificent homeless street vagrant!

Glad the Sisters of Mercy food bank gave you free wifi so you can post what calf-tats taught you about not caring what others say about you and wishing ill of others. Am sure the meths heads at the blood bank are impressed by your posts as no one here gives a fuck your out of the blue envy rants.

Please, no one wants to see your collection of dick pics in your DMs. Save that for your customers who can’t get an erection looking at you.

Stay safe at the homeless center.

Peace out!

[Chucho]

Chucho, you magnificent homeless street vagrant!

Glad the Sisters of Mercy food bank gave you free wifi so you can post what calf-tats taught you about not caring what others say about you and wishing ill of others. Am sure the meths heads at the blood bank are impressed by your posts as no one here gives a fuck your out of the blue envy rants.

Please, no one wants to see your collection of dick pics in your DMs. Save that for your customers who can’t get an erection looking at you.

Stay safe at the homeless center.

Peace out!

Three sentences forced you into a a cute narrative where you're fishing for dick picks on the low. You could be more subtle...or just Google or respond to your Grindr inbox and I'm certain you can find the bull you're looking to cripple your colon.

No one likes you. I have 4 or 5 DMs from people who you beg friendship laughing at me cracking on you and sharing the same sentiment that you're a failed try-hard, pick-me girl.

[Chucho]

She was a terrible candidate, there's no spinning that.

Nope. Running a proven racist who hates queers and fag marriage who SWORE people DONT change was the most insulting fucking thing I've ever seen from a candidate till Trump tried running for re-election.

Team Blue really, really did more to get Trump elected than Russia and the Trump base combined. And it'll end happening again with DeSantis. He's going to flood the airwaves with all the shit the Alt Left is doing here on the West Coast- specifically allowing junkies to openly kill themselves on the street while the working and middle classes suffered through the largest crime wave spike in 30 years and are footing the bill.

There are not 3 metroplexes in any red state that are remotely comparable to the deaths Portland, Seattle, Spokane, San Francisco, Sacramento, Oakland and all of Southern California are suffering due to insanely poor policy that is basic negligence and not a cent of the saved funds are going to fix the drug problem, the homeless problem, the wealth divide or anything.

These are nothing short of crimes against humanity and a concentrated genocide due to neglect while the tax-paying citizens and businesses move from these inhabitable shitholes. There is no way around that, yet the media wants us to worry about Florida. 350 people aren't dying a night on Florida streets due to drug overdose. Mass murders don't happen routinely in Florida like the 50+% of all mass murders happening in South Chicago, New York and Jersey...all Blue strongholds who've seen crime rates soar almost as high as here in California, where we are up to early 90's crime rates in murder and property crime.

There's no spinning it, Team Blue is going to have to atone for all of this misery and bloodshed and planned genocide. It is what is is. Blue policy has absolutely failed everyone in every major Blue stronghold.

Are California Dems ever going to do anything with that surplus to benefit the taxpayers they raped to accumulate that? Nope. Are they every going to house the homeless with any of that money? Nope. Any and every time any group comes with a legitimate and necessary plan and proposal, what's the answer from our state dems? NOPE. Annual raises for these crooks? YUP. Can we vote on it? NOPE.

Yuse Blues really screwed the pooch and are going to run ol Blackface again. We're gonna end up with Rick fucking DeSantis as President because of Democrat ineffectuality. Thanks guys.

[Ef-man]

No. I'm confident you/homer (you're the same poster) couldnt muster the $25 to see my messages of people you solicit for friendship who have laughed at you, specifically when I've clowned you losers.

:lol try hards

:lol think I'm DMC

:lol looking for pats on the back and no one likes you guys

:lol irrelevant try-hard ankle biters like blake


It took you five minutes to log in and out of your accounts.

You're totally fooling people.

Wont change the fact no one has given you that pat on the head you're so desperate for. You're the screaming voices no one listens to, but laughs at. You guys suck so bad.


Three sentences forced you into a a cute narrative where you're fishing for dick picks on the low. You could be more subtle...or just Google or respond to your Grindr inbox and I'm certain you can find the bull you're looking to cripple your colon.

No one likes you. I have 4 or 5 DMs from people who you beg friendship laughing at me cracking on you and sharing the same sentiment that you're a failed try-hard, pick-me girl.

Three sentences? Dude, you are the attention whore that begged for my attention in two posts! :lmao :lmao :lmao

Plus, you think Spurs Homer and I are the same person!

And to think that you have been here since 2008 and still confused as to my identity!

Shit, you once accused me of coming out of retirement and now you think I am Spurs Homer!

Goddamn. you are a low iq idiot! :lol

[ElNono]

Nope. Running a proven racist who hates queers and fag marriage who SWORE people DONT change was the most insulting fucking thing I've ever seen from a candidate till Trump tried running for re-election.

Team Blue really, really did more to get Trump elected than Russia and the Trump base combined. And it'll end happening again with DeSantis. He's going to flood the airwaves with all the shit the Alt Left is doing here on the West Coast- specifically allowing junkies to openly kill themselves on the street while the working and middle classes suffered through the largest crime wave spike in 30 years and are footing the bill.

There are not 3 metroplexes in any red state that are remotely comparable to the deaths Portland, Seattle, Spokane, San Francisco, Sacramento, Oakland and all of Southern California are suffering due to insanely poor policy that is basic negligence and not a cent of the saved funds are going to fix the drug problem, the homeless problem, the wealth divide or anything.

These are nothing short of crimes against humanity and a concentrated genocide due to neglect while the tax-paying citizens and businesses move from these inhabitable shitholes. There is no way around that, yet the media wants us to worry about Florida. 350 people aren't dying a night on Florida streets due to drug overdose. Mass murders don't happen routinely in Florida like the 50+% of all mass murders happening in South Chicago, New York and Jersey...all Blue strongholds who've seen crime rates soar almost as high as here in California, where we are up to early 90's crime rates in murder and property crime.

There's no spinning it, Team Blue is going to have to atone for all of this misery and bloodshed and planned genocide. It is what is is. Blue policy has absolutely failed everyone in every major Blue stronghold.

Are California Dems ever going to do anything with that surplus to benefit the taxpayers they raped to accumulate that? Nope. Are they every going to house the homeless with any of that money? Nope. Any and every time any group comes with a legitimate and necessary plan and proposal, what's the answer from our state dems? NOPE. Annual raises for these crooks? YUP. Can we vote on it? NOPE.

Yuse Blues really screwed the pooch and are going to run ol Blackface again. We're gonna end up with Rick fucking DeSantis as President because of Democrat ineffectuality. Thanks guys.

DeSaster is the least of my worries, tbh... Is he still polling in double digits?

Team Blue has a lot of problems, but as long as Team Red is co-opted by Trumptards and ran by cultists, they have a solid advantage. Now if they keep rolling out out of touch octogenarians, then they only have themselves to blame.

[ElNono]

BTW, I live in SoCal... love it here. Will take it over any shithole red State/City any day of the week.

[Ef-man]

DeSaster is the least of my worries, tbh... Is he still polling in double digits?

Team Blue has a lot of problems, but as long as Team Red is co-opted by Trumptards and ran by cultists, they have a solid advantage. Now if they keep rolling out out of touch octogenarians, then they only have themselves to blame.

NoNo, don't keep Chucho up late by responding to him.

He has to get up early in the morning to get to work. Those oranges are not going to sell themselves on the street corner. :lol

[Chucho]

Three sentences? Dude, you are the attention whore that begged for my attention in two posts! :lmao :lmao :lmao

Plus, you think Spurs Homer and I are the same person!

And to think that you have been here since 2008 and still confused as to my identity!

Shit, you once accused me of coming out of retirement and now you think I am Spurs Homer!

Goddamn. you are a low iq idiot! :lol

You put all that work in because I put you in your place. And you know it was in response to your long tirade about me that those three sentences trigged you into them

And you did come out of retirement, you even said you did, retard, just because derp triggered you and you wanted to be part of that and no one cared then.

You think DMC and I are the same, you twit.

And seriously, no one likes you. Like I said, 4 or 5 people you want to be your friends DM'd me laughing at you and telling me to take it easy on you.

Just like irrelevant Blake making 50 replies to my comments not directed at him, yet he can't help himself either.

I'm not around here much, but wanted to swing through and remind you that you're a loser and that no likes you and you are a try-hard who never gets acknowledgement, you and your alt and if he isn't your alt, you're both giant losers no one likes and are always trying so desperately to get someone to cosign and validate them. That's your entire time here summed up accurately.

[ElNono]

NoNo, don't keep Chucho up late by responding to him.

He has to get up early in the morning to get to work. Those oranges are not going to sell themselves on the street corner. :lol

I don't have a problem with him, and I get he's venting, but he's just plain wrong about things like property crime rate, etc.

[Chucho]

BTW, I live in SoCal... love it here. Will take it over any shithole red State/City any day of the week.

That's cool man, you like being in filthy cities where your elected officials want the lowest rungs of society to kill themselves. Nothing wrong with that, you got the money to keep it from affecting you, conscience doesn't have to dictate where you live.

[Chucho]

I don't have a problem with him, and I get he's venting, but he's just plain wrong about things like property crime rate, etc.

No sir. Go look'er up. We've not seen crime rates this high since South Central LA was a warzone.

It is what it is and it's documented.

[Chucho]

NoNo, don't keep Chucho up late by responding to him.

He has to get up early in the morning to get to work. Those oranges are not going to sell themselves on the street corner. :lol

1. It's your mother I'm putting on the corner to sell them oranges. She's got to feed her disappointment of a child.

Keep having fun with your alts and palms, sweetie. No one likes you.

[Chucho]

"In 2022, Los Angeles had a sobering 2,106 more aggravated assaults (https://data.lacity.org/Public-Safety/Crime-Data-from-2020-to-Present/2nrs-mtv8) compared to 2021, 41 percent of which were committed with weapons – for a total crime increase of over 11 percent. Police in the San Francisco Bay Area’s 15 most populous cities (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/crime-homicides-oakland-17739710.php) recorded a 5 percent homicide increase in 2022, which was nearly 50 percent higher than 2019’s figure."

And we can't find a genuine source to give us accurate death figures in the streets of California because they want to cook numbers on that.

California Democrats kill. More dangerous than guns.

[ElNono]

This is the top 10 of most dangerous cities by crime in the US:

1. Memphis, Tennessee
2. Detroit, Michigan
3. Little Rock, Arkansas
4. Pueblo, Colorado
5. Tacoma, Washington
6. Kansas City, Missouri
7. Rockford, Illinois
8. St. Louis, Missouri
9. Cleveland, Ohio
10. Springfield, Missouri

Includes links to the data:
https://www.populationu.com/gen/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us

The first California town is Stockton at #15, and then you won't see any other until #68, which is still not one of the big metro areas.
On the other hand, plenty of red cities and states in there, including the top spot.

But realistically, if you look up crime rates compared to the 90's, they've decreased dramatically overall in the US.

[ElNono]

No sir. Go look'er up. We've not seen crime rates this high since South Central LA was a warzone.

It is what it is and it's documented.

I did look it up. Here:

https://www.ppic.org/wp-content/uploads/crime-trends-update_fig1.png

Link: https://www.ppic.org/publication/crime-trends-in-california/


That's cool man, you like being in filthy cities where your elected officials want the lowest rungs of society to kill themselves. Nothing wrong with that, you got the money to keep it from affecting you, conscience doesn't have to dictate where you live.

I don't really care what adult people choose to do with their own lives. Plus, it's not like junkies aren't everywhere in the country. Some States simply put them in jail so they die there, which pretty much amounts to not really addressing anything, but simply getting it out of public view.

I visit Texas every year, plenty of homeless and junkies there too. They just get thrown in jail instead of camping under a bridge.

[ElNono]

"In 2022, Los Angeles had a sobering 2,106 more aggravated assaults (https://data.lacity.org/Public-Safety/Crime-Data-from-2020-to-Present/2nrs-mtv8) compared to 2021, 41 percent of which were committed with weapons – for a total crime increase of over 11 percent. Police in the San Francisco Bay Area’s 15 most populous cities (https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/crime-homicides-oakland-17739710.php) recorded a 5 percent homicide increase in 2022, which was nearly 50 percent higher than 2019’s figure."

And we can't find a genuine source to give us accurate death figures in the streets of California because they want to cook numbers on that.

California Democrats kill. More dangerous than guns.

We do have statistics for that. You just won't like what they look like compared to the 90s. And that applies to pretty much everywhere in the US, not just California.

And, obviously, that decreasing trend happened with both Red and Blue in power.

[Blake]

1. It's your mother I'm putting on the corner to sell them oranges. She's got to feed her disappointment of a child.

Keep having fun with your alts and palms, sweetie. No one likes you.

Everyone loves Chucho

[Spurs Homer]

:lmao:lmao:rollin

man, im guessing fat hands tried to wear his 2x large size gloves and found out 2x large does not fit anymore!

try 3x pal!

[Ef-man]

Everyone loves Chucho

The low iq idiot getting owned left and right from that brilliant deductive reasoning of his!!!! :lmao :lmao :lmao

Derp would be so proud knowing there was someone dumber than him. :lol

[TSA]

I'm not around here much, but wanted to swing through and remind you that you're a loser and that no likes you and you are a try-hard who never gets acknowledgement, you and your alt and if he isn't your alt, you're both giant losers no one likes and are always trying so desperately to get someone to cosign and validate them. That's your entire time here summed up accurately.

I don't think they are the same person although I can see why you thought that as they each pathetically beg for acknowledgement every day and try their best to mimic shticks they've seen here in attempt to gain acceptance and are basically ignored by the entire board.

[Spurs Homer]

I don't think they are the same person although I can see why you thought that as they each pathetically beg for acknowledgement every day and try their best to mimic shticks they've seen here in attempt to gain acceptance and are basically ignored by the entire board.

hry comrade, did you watch the durham hearing?

I hear he solved the CRIME OF THE CENTURY -AND - EXONERATED THE COUP PLOTTER!


:rollin:rollin

[Spurs Homer]

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[TSA]

But it isn't wrong, because "properly predicated" in that context is merely an opinion. In terms of illegality or criminality, there was none, otherwise Durham would've prosecuted.

He didn't, because despite whatever tools were afforded to him, there was nothing illegal there. I know this doesn't work for your conspiracy of a shadow and corrupt FBI, but it is what it is.

Outside of Clinesmith, the other two cases he prosecuted were for lying to the FBI, which he couldn't prove.

Under the same premise and with the results at hand, one could also conclude that the Durham investigation was also not "properly predicated", considering he didn't find anything improper on it, and that whatever recommendations about internal procedures at the FBI in his report were already in place by the time he made his report available.



All investigations start as preliminary, then move on to a full investigation if warranted. This isn't rocket science. As Mueller proved and Durham agreed, there was enough evidence of interference to conduct an investigation.

You could argue the investigation shouldn't have included collusion from the GOP, but that's an opinion, nothing more. The allegation was directly tied to interference, so it makes sense it would be investigated as well.

You clearly don't understand predication when it comes to these investigations. The FBI has to follow guidelines given by the Attorney General.

"Predicated investigations that concern federal crimes or threats to the national security are
subdivided into preliminary investigations and full investigations. Preliminary investigations
may be initiated on the basis of any allegation or information indicative of possible criminal or
national security-threatening activity, but more substantial factual predication is required for full
investigations."

3. Circumstances Warranting Investigation
A predicated investigation may be initiated on the basis of any of the following
circumstances:
a. An activity constituting a federal crime or a threat to the national security
has or may have occurred, is or may be occurring, or will or may occur and
the investigation may obtain information relating to the activity or the
involvement or role of an individual, group, or organization in such
activity.
b. An individual, group, organization, entity, information, property, or
activity is or may be a target of attack, victimization, acquisition,
infiltration, or recruitment in connection with criminal activity in violation
of federal law or a threat to the national security and the investigation may
obtain information that would help to protect against such activity or
threat.
c. The investigation may obtain foreign intelligence that is responsive to a
foreign intelligence requirement

b. Full Investigations
i. Predication Required for Full Investigations
A full investigation may be initiated if there is an articulable
factual basis for the investigation that reasonably indicates that a
circumstance described in paragraph 3.a.-.b. exists or if a
circumstance described in paragraph 3.c. exists.
ii. Methods Allowed in Full Investigations
All lawful methods may be used in a full investigation.


https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/docs/guidelines.pdf

Crossfire Hurricane was never warranted to be opened. There was no articulable factual basis for the investigation, that isn't an opinion, that is a statement of fact based on the Attorney General guidelines.

At this point I can't figure out of you are trolling or not.

[TSA]

Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?

--

That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.

Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.

--

Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.

--

The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.

--

What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.

--

Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.

--

Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.

--

After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.

--

I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.

--

They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.

--

Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?

--

Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.

--

I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin

--

Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?

--

That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.

--

Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.

--

So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.

--

Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.

--

There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

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trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?

--

I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.

--
RandomGuy you keep coming in the thread and forgetting to choose your favorite Steele dossier quote. If you don't answer soon I'll be forced to use your tactic of spamming this whole post in every non-related thread I see you posting in. Stop being a pussy and pick one.

[Blake]

Who doesn't love text wall spam

[Ef-man]

Who doesn't love text wall spam

You forgot the “answer me, answer me!”

[ChumpDumper]

So the Trump campaign connections to Russia should never have been investigated because they did, in fact, exist?

Weird reasoning.

[Ef-man]

So the Trump campaign connections to Russia should never have been investigated because they did, in fact, exist?

Weird reasoning.

Well Mueller did note 101 known points of contact between people associated with the Trump campaign and Russian government-linked individuals or entities from November of 2015 all the way up to January of 2017.

[ElNono]

You clearly don't understand predication when it comes to these investigations. The FBI has to follow guidelines given by the Attorney General.

"Predicated investigations that concern federal crimes or threats to the national security are
subdivided into preliminary investigations and full investigations. Preliminary investigations
may be initiated on the basis of any allegation or information indicative of possible criminal or
national security-threatening activity, but more substantial factual predication is required for full
investigations."

3. Circumstances Warranting Investigation
A predicated investigation may be initiated on the basis of any of the following
circumstances:
a. An activity constituting a federal crime or a threat to the national security
has or may have occurred, is or may be occurring, or will or may occur and
the investigation may obtain information relating to the activity or the
involvement or role of an individual, group, or organization in such
activity.
b. An individual, group, organization, entity, information, property, or
activity is or may be a target of attack, victimization, acquisition,
infiltration, or recruitment in connection with criminal activity in violation
of federal law or a threat to the national security and the investigation may
obtain information that would help to protect against such activity or
threat.
c. The investigation may obtain foreign intelligence that is responsive to a
foreign intelligence requirement

b. Full Investigations
i. Predication Required for Full Investigations
A full investigation may be initiated if there is an articulable
factual basis for the investigation that reasonably indicates that a
circumstance described in paragraph 3.a.-.b. exists or if a
circumstance described in paragraph 3.c. exists.
ii. Methods Allowed in Full Investigations
All lawful methods may be used in a full investigation.


https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/docs/guidelines.pdf

Crossfire Hurricane was never warranted to be opened. There was no articulable factual basis for the investigation, that isn't an opinion, that is a statement of fact based on the Attorney General guidelines.

At this point I can't figure out of you are trolling or not.

I understand it clearly. Who determines if "there is an articulable factual basis for the investigation that reasonably indicates that a circumstance described..."?

"Reasonably indicates" is a pretty open ended standard, and basically based entirely on opinion of the people reviewing the evidence. In other words, it's entirely discretional.

At this point I can't figure out if you don't read what you post, or just don't understand what you read.

[TSA]

I understand it clearly. Who determines if "there is an articulable factual basis for the investigation that reasonably indicates that a circumstance described..."?

"Reasonably indicates" is a pretty open ended standard, and basically based entirely on opinion of the people reviewing the evidence. In other words, it's entirely discretional.

At this point I can't figure out if you don't read what you post, or just don't understand what you read.You clearly don't understand it. If you did understand it you wouldn't have asked who determines if there is an articulable factual basis for the investitation. Did you not read the link to the Attorney General guidelines I linked or did you just not understand it? It literally says who can determine it and who needs to be notified.

In this case it was Peter Strzok who determined there was an articulable factual basis for the investigation based on statements made by Papadopolous. The FBI didn't even interview Papadopolous and opened a full investigation 3 days after receiving the tip on Papadopolous. When Durham was given access to the evidence and investigative steps it was absolutely clear that the Attorney General guidelines were not followed and Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated.

What should have happened was a preliminary investigation would have been opened on Papadopolous, an interview/interrogation with Papadopolous would have occurred, and after that the FBI would have found out Papadopolous had zero credible information and zero contacts with Russians. Preliminary investigation would have been closed.

”[Trump is] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”--Lisa Page

“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it"---Peter Strzok

That's the guy running the investigation. Of course he isn't going to follow protocol and of course he opened a full investigation.

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't Papadopolous lie to investigators?

That wouldn't have been suspicious at all....

[TSA]

Papadopolous wasn't interviewed by the FBI until January 2017. Crossfire Hurricane was opened July 2016.

:lol stupid fuck

[ChumpDumper]

Papadopolous wasn't interviewed by the FBI until January 2017. Crossfire Hurricane was opened July 2016.

:lol stupid fuckBut he did lie then, did he not?

Your whole point is they should've interviewed him earlier.

What if he lied then?

[ChumpDumper]

And wasn't the campaign meeting with Russian agents in July 2016?

It's weird that you think none of this merited an investigation but Silsby and Ukrainium One did.

[Spurs Homer]

You clearly don't understand it. If you did understand it you wouldn't have asked who determines if there is an articulable factual basis for the investitation. Did you not read the link to the Attorney General guidelines I linked or did you just not understand it? It literally says who can determine it and who needs to be notified.

In this case it was Peter Strzok who determined there was an articulable factual basis for the investigation based on statements made by Papadopolous. The FBI didn't even interview Papadopolous and opened a full investigation 3 days after receiving the tip on Papadopolous. When Durham was given access to the evidence and investigative steps it was absolutely clear that the Attorney General guidelines were not followed and Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated.

What should have happened was a preliminary investigation would have been opened on Papadopolous, an interview/interrogation with Papadopolous would have occurred, and after that the FBI would have found out Papadopolous had zero credible information and zero contacts with Russians. Preliminary investigation would have been closed.

”[Trump is] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”--Lisa Page

“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it"---Peter Strzok

That's the guy running the investigation. Of course he isn't going to follow protocol and of course he opened a full investigation.

Still defending trumps treason - and sadly (or funny to any sane people that humor you)

you dont know what the fuck you are talking about!

Just fucking plainly wrong on all your longshot what ifs -

McCabe already explained it when he was grilled in a hearing of why an FBI investigation was opened and he explained exactly why the FBI would have been DERELICT in their duty had they NOT opened an investigation.

Fuck your cherry picking of - oh if papadouchalaka would/should have been interviewed -

stfu already - it makes zero sense!

Here is my example to show your stupidity:

If someone credible from australia calls the FBI - especially an Australian intel agent who is trained- you dumbshit -
and this intel agent reports that he heard me making all kinds of allegations -

and that I was working on Obamas campaign or bidens campaign and the iranians were mentioned and I said that the iranians were going to attack - the GOP offices and were going to flood the zone with shit to hurt the GOP candidate-and that these same Iranians were going to help the Obama/Biden campaign and hurt the GOP candidate -

the FBI would EVALUATE this report from australia

then

they would see what OTHER info and reports and intel had been surfacing lately...they would check with their other australian counterparts, the brits, the israelis, etc...
from there they would pick up that i had also emailed some iranian dudes and had also given a speech on hating america

then they would have found that another dude named Parter Tage had also been in iran and had openly criticised the usa and this same Parter Tage dude was also working for the obama/biden campaign

the FBI would eventually decide that there was enough SMOKE to start an investigation to SEE WHERE IT WOULD LEAD -

It would NOT mean:

a)that they were SPYING ON ME
b)that they violated my rights
c)that they WERE OBLIGATED TO INTERVIEW ME -(as this would just tip me off and i would disappear into fucking TEHRAN)
d)that the FBI was corrupt
e)that some FBI schmuck having a texting session with their girl who hated obama was some deep state corrupt douche
- it would simply mean that that fbi douche was unprofessional in his job and was cheating on his wife - this so-called
"exculpatory" evidence would NOT mean that the FBI had to stop investigating my treason - or leave the country unprotected- it would simply mean that the fbi had some unprofessionals that need some basic discipline - no matter how hard gym jordan or ant other traitor tries to convince you otherwise you moron...

or any of your FUCKING IDIOCIES

They would be correct in NOT EVEN INTERVIEWING ME - YET STILL INVESTIGATING ME
because they were obligated to PROTECT THE COUNTRY from my POSSIBLE SPYING FOR THE IRANIANS

You are a stupid piece of shit whiny kunt who really really wants to protect the worst traitors in our history.

[TSA]

Still defending trumps treason - and sadly (or funny to any sane people that humor you)

you dont know what the fuck you are talking about!

Just fucking plainly wrong on all your longshot what ifs -

McCabe already explained it when he was grilled in a hearing of why an FBI investigation was opened and he explained exactly why the FBI would have been DERELICT in their duty had they NOT opened an investigation.

Fuck your cherry picking of - oh if papadouchalaka would/should have been interviewed -

stfu already - it makes zero sense!

Here is my example to show your stupidity:

If someone credible from australia calls the FBI - especially an Australian intel agent who is trained- you dumbshit -
and this intel agent reports that he heard me making all kinds of allegations -

and that I was working on Obamas campaign or bidens campaign and the iranians were mentioned and I said that the iranians were going to attack - the GOP offices and were going to flood the zone with shit to hurt the GOP candidate-and that these same Iranians were going to help the Obama/Biden campaign and hurt the GOP candidate -

the FBI would EVALUATE this report from australia

then

they would see what OTHER info and reports and intel had been surfacing lately...they would check with their other australian counterparts, the brits, the israelis, etc...
from there they would pick up that i had also emailed some iranian dudes and had also given a speech on hating america

then they would have found that another dude named Parter Tage had also been in iran and had openly criticised the usa and this same Parter Tage dude was also working for the obama/biden campaign

the FBI would eventually decide that there was enough SMOKE to start an investigation to SEE WHERE IT WOULD LEAD -

It would NOT mean:

a)that they were SPYING ON ME
b)that they violated my rights
c)that they WERE OBLIGATED TO INTERVIEW ME -(as this would just tip me off and i would disappear into fucking TEHRAN)
d)that the FBI was corrupt
e)that some FBI schmuck having a texting session with their girl who hated obama was some deep state corrupt douche
- it would simply mean that that fbi douche was unprofessional in his job and was cheating on his wife - this so-called
"exculpatory" evidence would NOT mean that the FBI had to stop investigating my treason - or leave the country unprotected- it would simply mean that the fbi had some unprofessionals that need some basic discipline - no matter how hard gym jordan or ant other traitor tries to convince you otherwise you moron...

or any of your FUCKING IDIOCIES

They would be correct in NOT EVEN INTERVIEWING ME - YET STILL INVESTIGATING ME
because they were obligated to PROTECT THE COUNTRY from my POSSIBLE SPYING FOR THE IRANIANS

You are a stupid piece of shit whiny kunt who really really wants to protect the worst traitors in our history.

The Australian, Alexander Downer, wasn't an Australian intel agent. The FBI did reach out to British intelligence and when they heard the FBI was opening a full investigation on the Papadoplous info they laughed at how flimsy it was and said they weren't helping us based on that flimsy info.

Try typing out another long winded hypothetical. This attempt was a failure from the start.

[ElNono]

You clearly don't understand it. If you did understand it you wouldn't have asked who determines if there is an articulable factual basis for the investitation. Did you not read the link to the Attorney General guidelines I linked or did you just not understand it? It literally says who can determine it and who needs to be notified.

In this case it was Peter Strzok who determined there was an articulable factual basis for the investigation based on statements made by Papadopolous. The FBI didn't even interview Papadopolous and opened a full investigation 3 days after receiving the tip on Papadopolous. When Durham was given access to the evidence and investigative steps it was absolutely clear that the Attorney General guidelines were not followed and Crossfire Hurricane was not properly predicated.

What should have happened was a preliminary investigation would have been opened on Papadopolous, an interview/interrogation with Papadopolous would have occurred, and after that the FBI would have found out Papadopolous had zero credible information and zero contacts with Russians. Preliminary investigation would have been closed.

”[Trump is] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!”--Lisa Page

“No. No he won’t. We’ll stop it"---Peter Strzok

That's the guy running the investigation. Of course he isn't going to follow protocol and of course he opened a full investigation.

But this is exactly what I'm pointing out: It's entirely discretionary, and it's spelled out in the text you quoted and bolded.

Peter Strzok made that determination and there was nothing illegal or breaching any of the AG guidelines you posted. Otherwise, Peter Strzok would've been prosecuted, but obviously he was not.

His texts about his personal feelings are simply not evidence of any improper conduct. You're just (again) trying to connect dots. Pretty sure odds are there's a good number of GOP-leaning agents in the FBI as well, and it doesn't automatically mean there's a grand conspiracy, which is what you continue to claim.

[TSA]

But this is exactly what I'm pointing out: It's entirely discretionary, and it's spelled out in the text you quoted and bolded.

Peter Strzok made that determination and there was nothing illegal or breaching any of the AG guidelines you posted. Otherwise, Peter Strzok would've been prosecuted, but obviously he was not.

His texts about his personal feelings are simply not evidence of any improper conduct. You're just (again) trying to connect dots. Pretty sure odds are there's a good number of GOP-leaning agents in the FBI as well, and it doesn't automatically mean there's a grand conspiracy, which is what you continue to claim.

Breaching the Attorney General guidelines and opening an unwarranted full investigation isn’t a prosecutable offense. Nice strawman attempt though.

I honestly can’t believe you are still trying to defend the FBI’s opening of Crossfire Hurricane. I’m leaning towards you just trolling me at this point as I know you aren’t this ignorant.

[TSA]

Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?

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That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.

Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.

--

Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.

--

The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.

--

What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.

--

Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.

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Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.

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After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.

--

I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.

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They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.

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Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?

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Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.

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I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin

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Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?

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That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.

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Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.

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So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.

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Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.

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There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

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trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?

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I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.

-- RandomGuy pick your favorite Steel quote. I’ve got it down to my 3 favorites but can’t pick just 1 quite yet. I want you to reveal your favorite before I reveal mine.

[ElNono]

Breaching the Attorney General guidelines and opening an unwarranted full investigation isn’t a prosecutable offense. Nice strawman attempt though.

I honestly can’t believe you are still trying to defend the FBI’s opening of Crossfire Hurricane. I’m leaning towards you just trolling me at this point as I know you aren’t this ignorant.

You're accusing Peter Strzok, as a member of the FBI, of a conspiracy to prevent Trump becoming President. That's indeed a prosecutable offense.

The problem is that you would need to prove Peter Strzok made attempts to make that happen. And clearly, Durham, despite all the resources available to him, as you noted, couldn't find evidence of that.

What I can't honestly believe is that you keep peddling this fantasy after Durham himself didn't go there. Durham disagreed that the FBI should've moved past the preliminary investigation, but again, that decision is entirely discretionary, and he knew that.

[Spurs Homer]

The Australian, Alexander Downer, wasn't an Australian intel agent. The FBI did reach out to British intelligence and when they heard the FBI was opening a full investigation on the Papadoplous info they laughed at how flimsy it was and said they weren't helping us based on that flimsy info.

Try typing out another long winded hypothetical. This attempt was a failure from the start.

You are completely fucked in the head. You know zero about how investigations work and your only objective is to believe whatever the people who betrayed the USA tell you to believe.

What kind of fucked logic is that?

Mueller convicted dozens and you are crying about "predication"
it is absolutely absurd that DOZENS OF CONVICTIONS in trumps administration -

SOMEHOW - lead YOU - to search for ways in which to argue that those CONVICTIONS simply do NOT factor into your argument of why these people DESERVED to be CONVICTED - yet YOU

decide that they should not have even been INVESTIGATED.

If you ask a CHILD - he will be able to simply use COMMON SENSE and tell you to your face that you are simply a


FUCKING IDIOT.

[Ef-man]

You are completely fucked in the head. You know zero about how investigations work and your only objective is to believe whatever the people who betrayed the USA tell you to believe.

What kind of fucked logic is that?

Mueller convicted dozens and you are crying about "predication"
it is absolutely absurd that DOZENS OF CONVICTIONS in trumps administration -

SOMEHOW - lead YOU - to search for ways in which to argue that those CONVICTIONS simply do NOT factor into your argument of why these people DESERVED to be CONVICTED - yet YOU

decide that they should not have even been INVESTIGATED.

If you ask a CHILD - he will be able to simply use COMMON SENSE and tell you to your face that you are simply a


FUCKING IDIOT.

Preach, preach!!!!!

Only thing is that it all goes over the retard’s head. :lol

Welcome to the conspiracy rodeo, please come again.

[TSA]

You're accusing Peter Strzok, as a member of the FBI, of a conspiracy to prevent Trump becoming President. That's indeed a prosecutable offense.

The problem is that you would need to prove Peter Strzok made attempts to make that happen. And clearly, Durham, despite all the resources available to him, as you noted, couldn't find evidence of that.

What I can't honestly believe is that you keep peddling this fantasy after Durham himself didn't go there. Durham disagreed that the FBI should've moved past the preliminary investigation, but again, that decision is entirely discretionary, and he knew that.

I brought up Strzok’s text message to show why he would breach the Attorney General guidelines. And again, breaching the guidelines is not a prosecutable offense.

Still baffles me that you are defending the opening of Crossfire Hurricane after everything was exposed.

[TSA]

You are completely fucked in the head. You know zero about how investigations work and your only objective is to believe whatever the people who betrayed the USA tell you to believe.

What kind of fucked logic is that?

Mueller convicted dozens and you are crying about "predication"
it is absolutely absurd that DOZENS OF CONVICTIONS in trumps administration -

SOMEHOW - lead YOU - to search for ways in which to argue that those CONVICTIONS simply do NOT factor into your argument of why these people DESERVED to be CONVICTED - yet YOU

decide that they should not have even been INVESTIGATED.

If you ask a CHILD - he will be able to simply use COMMON SENSE and tell you to your face that you are simply a


FUCKING IDIOT.

Mueller didn’t open Crossfire Hurricane and no one is discussing the opening of the Special Counsel’s investigation.

You once again, failed from the start.

You just aren’t good at this.

[Spurs Homer]

Mueller didn’t open Crossfire Hurricane and no one is discussing the opening of the Special Counsel’s investigation.

You once again, failed from the start.

You just aren’t good at this.

That just does NOT make any practical sense.

Mueller was appointed to investigate ties between russia and trump team.

All your tap dancing and juggling are nothing but pissing in the wind.


Trump team members were prosecuted and convicted as were russian intel agents and no matter if you cry, spin, moan, or fist fuck yourself in public


NONE of that shit means anything because Mueller and the FBI looking into russia attacking our elections and trump team playing footsie with russia was proven by muellers report, period.

Instead of IMMEDIATELY calling the FBI, reporting the contacts and cooperating HONESTLY with the fbi because

that would be the ONLY PATRIOTIC DUTY they needed to have done - INSTEAD they NEVER DID THAT. NEVER , EVER - not even to this day - it just has not happened.

Trump, the entire GOP and all his supporters - like you-

have failed in admitting that basic fact. Trump team accepted russias help for their own unpatriotic reasons and all you know how to do now is flail and spin and lie and obfuscate and equivocate and just make a fucking fool of yourself in front of everyone.

People were convicted means = they were guilty = means = you have zero leg to stand on in defending them means = since they were GUILTY - THEY WERE RIGHTLY INVESTIGATED REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY CLERICAL ERRORS AND PROCESS MISTAKES YOU CRY ABOUT.

Just fucking sad.

[TSA]

That just does NOT make any practical sense.

Mueller was appointed to investigate ties between russia and trump team.

All your tap dancing and juggling are nothing but pissing in the wind.


Trump team members were prosecuted and convicted as were russian intel agents and no matter if you cry, spin, moan, or fist fuck yourself in public


NONE of that shit means anything because Mueller and the FBI looking into russia attacking our elections and trump team playing footsie with russia was proven by muellers report, period.

Instead of IMMEDIATELY calling the FBI, reporting the contacts and cooperating HONESTLY with the fbi because

that would be the ONLY PATRIOTIC DUTY they needed to have done - INSTEAD they NEVER DID THAT. NEVER , EVER —until today.

Trump, the entire GOP and all his supporters - like you-

have failed in admitting that basic fact. Trump team accepted russias help for their own unpatriotic reasons and all you know how to do now is flail and spin and lie and obfuscate and equivocate and just make a fucking fool of yourself in front of everyone.

People were convicted means = they were guilty = means = you have zero leg to stand on in defending them means = since they were GUILTY - THEY WERE RIGHTLY INVESTIGATED REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY CLERICAL ERRORS AND PROCESS MISTAKES YOU CRY ABOUT.

Just fucking sad.

Why did you waste all of the time to write about an investigation that isn’t even being discussed? You are a special kind of stupid.

[Spurs Homer]

Why did you waste all of the time to write about an investigation that isn’t even being discussed? You are a special kind of stupid.

You can cry and moan and lie - but it is endless- you have only one mission

to RE-WRITE FUCKING HISTORY

and you are not very good at it because - IT CANNOT BE DONE. IT HAPPENED. EVERYONE SAW IT.

Your cult leader really fucked your head up.

[Ef-man]

That just does NOT make any practical sense.

Mueller was appointed to investigate ties between russia and trump team.

All your tap dancing and juggling are nothing but pissing in the wind.


Trump team members were prosecuted and convicted as were russian intel agents and no matter if you cry, spin, moan, or fist fuck yourself in public


NONE of that shit means anything because Mueller and the FBI looking into russia attacking our elections and trump team playing footsie with russia was proven by muellers report, period.

Instead of IMMEDIATELY calling the FBI, reporting the contacts and cooperating HONESTLY with the fbi because

that would be the ONLY PATRIOTIC DUTY they needed to have done - INSTEAD they NEVER DID THAT. NEVER , EVER —until today.

Trump, the entire GOP and all his supporters - like you-

have failed in admitting that basic fact. Trump team accepted russias help for their own unpatriotic reasons and all you know how to do now is flail and spin and lie and obfuscate and equivocate and just make a fucking fool of yourself in front of everyone.

People were convicted means = they were guilty = means = you have zero leg to stand on in defending them means = since they were GUILTY - THEY WERE RIGHTLY INVESTIGATED REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY CLERICAL ERRORS AND PROCESS MISTAKES YOU CRY ABOUT.

Just fucking sad.

You know he is a retard like thodren on the moon landings. :lol

Thank you for riding the conspiracy rodeo, please come again.

[Spurs Homer]

You know he is a retard like thodren on the moon landings. :lol

Thank you for riding the conspiracy rodeo, please come again.

You know what is truly sad? Truly fucking pathetic?

That russian midget attacks our country and 40 percent of this country- FORTY PERCENT….

were not in the least bothered by it. Never.

That little fucking midget with the smug fucking look on his pathetic evil face- stood up as if he was worthy and took a fucking swing at the worlds number one power. The number one power that had kicked ass all over the planet and had bragged and puffed its chest out and COMMANDED the planet to look at us as the worlds most powerful leaders.

this little midget attacked us, unprovoked….

Forty percent of the country - people just like TSA- who is one of russias biggest cheerleaders, bent over spread his nasty ass and said - yes dear putin- give me all of it!

Forty percent of this country made the USA look like what we are-

a treasonous, treacherous bunch of fucking idiots only looking out for our team and saying- we are chumps who can be easily defeated because those 40 percent scumbags gave up their country and turned their petty whiny little screeching voices and attacked their fellow citizens in service of defending the little kunt midget that had the temerity to attack and punch way above his puny weight.

TSA sickens me .

[Ef-man]

You know what is truly sad? Truly fucking pathetic?

That russian midget attacks our country and 40 percent of this country- FORTY PERCENT….

were not in the least bothered by it. Never.

That little fucking midget with the smug fucking look on his pathetic evil face- stood up as if he was worthy and took a fucking swing at the worlds number one power. The number one power that had kicked ass all over the planet and had bragged and puffed its chest out and COMMANDED the planet to look at us as the worlds most powerful leaders.

this little midget attacked us, unprovoked….

Forty percent of the country - people just like TSA- who is one of russias biggest cheerleaders, bent over spread his nasty ass and said - yes dear putin- give me all of it!

Forty percent of this country made the USA look like what we are-

a treasonous, treacherous bunch of fucking idiots only looking out for our team and saying- we are chumps who can be easily defeated because those 40 percent scumbags gave up their country and turned their petty whiny little screeching voices and attacked their fellow citizens in service of defending the little kunt midget that had the temerity to attack and punch way above his puny weight.

TSA sickens me .

I feel sorry for low iq boomer idiots like him.

Imagine being that fucked up from years of watching fox and listening to grifters looking for their $$$$.

Sad.

[Spurs Homer]

I feel sorry for low iq boomer idiots like him.

Imagine being that fucked up from years of watching fox and listening to grifters looking for their $$$$.

Sad.


yup

[ElNono]

I brought up Strzok’s text message to show why he would breach the Attorney General guidelines. And again, breaching the guidelines is not a prosecutable offense.

Still baffles me that you are defending the opening of Crossfire Hurricane after everything was exposed.

:lol nobody here is disingenuous like you are. You brought that up as some sort of evidence that Strzok plotted against Trump becoming president.

Otherwise, this is a nothingburger,and entirely manufactured outrage. What you really want is people to connect some imaginary dots.

But Peter Strzok was accused of nothing by Durham, which fundamentally undermines your entire premise.

I'm not defending anything, I'm breaking down your entire conspiracy theory and bringing to light the fact that it has no legs to stand on.

[Winehole23]

No sir. Go look'er up. We've not seen crime rates this high since South Central LA was a warzone.

It is what it is and it's documented.Post your source. From what I can see online, property and violent crime rates are still significantly below where they were from 1970-1995.

[Winehole23]

That would be in agreement with national crime trends, which are still relatively close to all time recorded lows.

[Winehole23]

Oddly enough, for people old enough to remember it, things were much worse crimewise 30 years ago than now.

[TSA]

:lol nobody here is disingenuous like you are. You brought that up as some sort of evidence that Strzok plotted against Trump becoming president.

Otherwise, this is a nothingburger,and entirely manufactured outrage. What you really want is people to connect some imaginary dots.

But Peter Strzok was accused of nothing by Durham, which fundamentally undermines your entire premise.

I'm not defending anything, I'm breaking down your entire conspiracy theory and bringing to light the fact that it has no legs to stand on.

Strzok was accused of nothing by Durham? :rollin At least I can finally confirm you've been trolling this whole time.

[ChumpDumper]

"unlawful exoneration" all over again

[Splits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVV_CF25MU

Matt Gaetz is pissed Durham didn't find anything to prove all of their crazy conspiracy theories and calls him part of the cover up :lmao

And even if the investigation was opened "preliminary" instead of "full", they would have quickly found enough evidence to convert it. It's such a disingenuous argument.

[Adam Lambert]

:lol nobody here is disingenuous like you are. You brought that up as some sort of evidence that Strzok plotted against Trump becoming president.

Otherwise, this is a nothingburger,and entirely manufactured outrage. What you really want is people to connect some imaginary dots.

But Peter Strzok was accused of nothing by Durham, which fundamentally undermines your entire premise.

I'm not defending anything, I'm breaking down your entire conspiracy theory and bringing to light the fact that it has no legs to stand on.

TSA simply cannot fathom that someone working for the FBI is not as loyal and enthusiastic a Trump fellator as he is.

I used to think he was doing bad faith arguments but it seems like he's actually this paranoid and retarded.

[Ef-man]

TSA simply cannot fathom that someone working for the FBI is not as loyal and enthusiastic a Trump fellator as he is.

I used to think he was doing bad faith arguments but it seems like he's actually this paranoid and retarded.

I feel sorry for his family for putting up with this shit irl.

He hates being told he is wrong and doubles down bigly with more conspiracy fantasies, so imagine his family living in that environment, damn fucked up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I feel sorry for his family for putting up with this shit irl.

He hates being told he is wrong and doubles down bigly with more conspiracy fantasies, so imagine his family living in that environment, damn fucked up.

You were right to see the social dynamic. The gaslighting in response to criticism particularly is troubling. The family likely doesn't put up with them.

[Spurs Homer]

Hey Comrade TSA:

how does this admission factor into you calling it a “russia hoax”, since this is coming from YOUR SIDE?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/putin-ally-yevgeny-prigozhin-admits-interfering-in-us-elections




:lol:lol:lol:clap:clap

[TSA]

Hey Comrade TSA:

how does this admission factor into you calling it a “russia hoax”, since this is coming from YOUR SIDE?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/07/putin-ally-yevgeny-prigozhin-admits-interfering-in-us-elections




:lol:lol:lol:clap:clap

Russia interfering was never part of the hoax. Russia interferes, Russia always interferes. You got any more retarded takes?

Appreciate you bumping the thread though...gives RandomGuy another chance to answer...or dodge.

[TSA]

Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?

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That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.

Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.

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Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.

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The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.

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What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.

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Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.

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Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.

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After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.

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I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.

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They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.

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Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?

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Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.

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I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin

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Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?

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That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.

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Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.

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So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.

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Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.

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There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

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trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?

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I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.

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RandomGuy pick your favorite Steel quote. I’ve got it down to my 3 favorites but can’t pick just 1 quite yet. I want you to reveal your favorite before I reveal mine.

[Blake]

TSA brand text wall®️

[Ef-man]

TSA brand text wall®️

Just like the Qtsa brand "I was in Korea, I was not hiding, take my word for it!" :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Russia interfering was never part of the hoax. Russia interferes, Russia always interferes. You got any more retarded takes?

Appreciate you bumping the thread though...gives RandomGuy another chance to answer...or dodge.


So stfu with your “hoax” propaganda and explain why you are still defending the traitor.

or run away again little bitch

[TSA]

TSA brand text wall®️

Blake brand low effort utterly useless comment®️

[TSA]

Just like the Qtsa brand "I was in Korea, I was not hiding, take my word for it!" :lmao :lmao :lmao

Ef-man brand failed schtick®️

[TSA]

So stfu with your “hoax” propaganda and explain why you are still defending the traitor.

or run away again little bitch

Russia interfering was never part of the Russiagate hoax. Why would you post an article about Russia interfering as proof Russiagate wasn't a hoax?

[Blake]

Blake brand low effort utterly useless comment®️

Your text walls are useless too. Now what?

[Chucho]

hry comrade, did you watch the durham hearing?

I hear he solved the CRIME OF THE CENTURY -AND - EXONERATED THE COUP PLOTTER!


:rollin:rollin

Teehee, no one likes you.

[Chucho]

We do have statistics for that. You just won't like what they look like compared to the 90s. And that applies to pretty much everywhere in the US, not just California.

And, obviously, that decreasing trend happened with both Red and Blue in power.

Im sorry man. Our crime rate has risen 30 points. And youre saying its not bad.

I get it, you have some money so you're insulated from the grit and probably dont care because teams and whatnot. I do the sams here. I live in the lowest crime rate town in California from the very northern borders to right about Billionairesville. But I cant turn a blind eye to whats happening here. Im sad you can.

30% increase in crime after a 25 year decline is a bad look, period. Red or blue, chief. Im a little saddened youre as tone deaf fo what the lower classes here are suffering and you seemingly abide by shameless classism. Be better, Nono. Or, just be honest.

[Chucho]

If what is happening now in California was due to Red representation, we'd be fucking Florida right now so far as MSM goes, or some other insignificant pissant red state with a few million population with no tax base.

DeSantis doesnt have shit on my Governor. Gavin Newsome is probably the most powerful and dangerous politician today and is too smart to step away from this orfice to pursue a likited Federal career when he has an open vault he can rob and genocide.

[Th'Pusher]

If what is happening now in California was due to Red representation, we'd be fucking Florida right now so far as MSM goes, or some other insignificant pissant red state with a few million population with no tax base.

DeSantis doesnt have shit on my Governor. Gavin Newsome is probably the most powerful and dangerous politician today and is too smart to step away from this orfice to pursue a likited Federal career when he has an open vault he can rob and genocide.

:lol so dramatic.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Teehee, no one likes you.

Again. Speak for yourself. You seem angry and insecure for all the front.

[Spurs Homer]

Russia interfering was never part of the Russiagate hoax. Why would you post an article about Russia interfering as proof Russiagate wasn't a hoax?


That makes zero sense.

The FACT that russia interfered is proof that there WAS election interference which HAD TO BE INVESTIGATED

you moron.

[Ef-man]

Ef-man brand failed schtick®️

:lmao

Lying is your brand!!!

It was you saying that you were in Korea and could not post, as if anyone would believe there is no internet there and you were working 24/7. :lol

Then you lied about when you went into hiding, three weeks before J6, 2 months, and several months. :wow

All the while, you wanted everyone to take your word, you provided not proof, you call out others for proof, and dodge when called out. :lmao

Keep embarrassing yourself.

[Ef-man]

:lol so dramatic.

What is with chucho constantly telling others that "no one likes you?"

Is this a cool putdown within the Hispanic retard community?

[Blake]

30% increase in crime after a 25 year decline is a bad look, period. Red or blue, chief. Im a little saddened youre as tone deaf fo what the lower classes here are suffering and you seemingly abide by shameless classism. Be better, Nono. Or, just be honest.

Both sides guy making his weekly appearance

[TSA]

That makes zero sense.

The FACT that russia interfered is proof that there WAS election interference which HAD TO BE INVESTIGATED

you moron.

It makes complete sense. You are the only one here having trouble understanding that.

[TSA]

:lmao

Lying is your brand!!!

It was you saying that you were in Korea and could not post, as if anyone would believe there is no internet there and you were working 24/7. :lol

Then you lied about when you went into hiding, three weeks before J6, 2 months, and several months. :wow

All the while, you wanted everyone to take your word, you provided not proof, you call out others for proof, and dodge when called out. :lmao

Keep embarrassing yourself.

I never said I couldn't post in Korea because there was no internet as you claimed. Easily verified I never said that by checking my post history.

I never went in to hiding because of January 6th as you claimed. Easily verified by checking my post history.

No one needs to take my word for either, my post history is proof both your claims are nothing but made up lies.

You keep trying to push these lies and no one believes them hence the failed schtick®️

[TSA]

Your text walls are useless too. Now what?

This text wall of RandomGuy quotes is not useless. Every time I see RandomGuy in the thread and he refuses to acknowledge his Steele dossier dick sucking quotes it proves what an embarrassed coward he is.

[ChumpDumper]

It makes complete sense. You are the only one here having trouble understanding that.They certainly found a lot of crimes, didn't they?

Why did your side do all the crimes?

[Ef-man]

I never said I couldn't post in Korea because there was no internet as you claimed. Easily verified I never said that by checking my post history.

I never went in to hiding because of January 6th as you claimed. Easily verified by checking my post history.

No one needs to take my word for either, my post history is proof both your claims are nothing but made up lies.

You keep trying to push these lies and no one believes them hence the failed schtick®️


No one believes you were hiding? :lmao :lmao

Keep dodging about hiding; you were caught lying; your doubling down on your lies is pathetic.

You provided no proof about being in korea; there is plenty of internet in korea as everyone knows so you had access and could have posted; and you are fooling no one with your lies.

Only failed shtick is you lying about hiding so keep doubling down.

You can't even keep up with your lies (e.g., 3 week, 2 months, several months before J6). :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

They certainly found a lot of crimes, didn't they?

Why did your side do all the crimes?

Russia admits to attacking election.
mueller convicts several russians/trumpers


yet comrade TSA continues to label it all a hoax and then tap dances and doubles down on his whacko logic

pathetic

[TSA]

No one believes you were hiding? :lmao :lmao

Keep dodging about hiding; you were caught lying; your doubling down on your lies is pathetic.

You provided no proof about being in korea; there is plenty of internet in korea as everyone knows so you had access and could have posted; and you are fooling no one with your lies.

Only failed shtick is you lying about hiding so keep doubling down.

You can't even keep up with your lies (e.g., 3 week, 2 months, several months before J6). :lmao

You claimed I went into hiding because of January 6th.

You claimed I said there wasn't internet in Korea.

Your claims, your burden of proof.

[TSA]

Russia admits to attacking election.
mueller convicts several russians/trumpers


yet comrade TSA continues to label it all a hoax and then tap dances and doubles down on his whacko logic

pathetic

Mueller didn't convict a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections. Mueller didn't even accuse a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections.

Your attempts to conflate actual Russian interference with the Russiagate hoax are amusing.

[TSA]

Another page, another RandomGuy dodge. You are forcing me to waste site bandwidth, pick your favorite Steele quote and save site resources.

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Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?

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That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.

Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.

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Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.

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The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.

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What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.

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Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.

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Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.

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After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.

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I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.

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They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.

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Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?

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Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.

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I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin

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Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?

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That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.

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Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.

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So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.

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Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.

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There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

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trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?

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I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.

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[Ef-man]

You claimed I went into hiding because of January 6th.

You claimed I said there wasn't internet in Korea.

Your claims, your burden of proof.

Try harder to deflect, you dense idiot.

You cannot change fact that you were hiding; you were not in korea; and what is even funnier is you want people to take your word! :lmao

[TSA]

Try harder to deflect, you dense idiot.

You cannot change fact that you were hiding; you were not in korea; and what is even funnier is you want people to take your word! :lmaoNot that anyone other than Spurs Homer actually cares about this but people don't need to take my word, they can simply check my posting history to see both of your claims are lies.

And it's so simple to expose you as a liar.

Instead of supporting your claims you run the failed schtick®️ and flail around and dodge, project, deflect, and post emojis.

Your claims, your burden of proof.

Step up or run the failed schtick®️

[Spurs Homer]

Mueller didn't convict a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections. Mueller didn't even accuse a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections.

Your attempts to conflate actual Russian interference with the Russiagate hoax are amusing.

Not sure why you play this game- all your bullshit was debunked - yet you continue the charade

mueller report already said
russia offerd help
trump accepted
many illicit contacts were in the report (your claim is wrong - that because it didnt result in a conspiracy conviction= it never happened is disengenous garbage- the illicit contacts occured regardless of your garbage spin)


but you never learn

[TSA]

Not sure why you play this game- all your bullshit was debunked - yet you continue the charade

mueller report already said
russia offerd help
trump accepted
many illicit contacts were in the report (your claim is wrong - that because it didnt result in a conspiracy conviction= it never happened is disengenous garbage- the illicit contacts occured regardless of your garbage spin)


but you never learn

Mueller didn't convict a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections. Mueller didn't even accuse a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections.

Your attempts to conflate actual Russian interference with the Russiagate hoax are amusing.

[Blake]

Not that anyone other than Spurs Homer actually cares about this but people don't need to take my word, they can simply check my posting history to see both of your claims are lies.

And it's so simple to expose you as a liar.

Instead of supporting your claims you run the failed schtick®️ and flail around and dodge, project, deflect, and post emojis.

Your claims, your burden of proof.

Step up or run the failed schtick®️

Are you worried your ST political forum reputation is going to take another hit?

[spurraider21]

Mueller didn't convict a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections. Mueller didn't even accuse a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections.

Your attempts to conflate actual Russian interference with the Russiagate hoax are amusing.
so the guy conducted an investigation and didnt try to overreach with wild accusations and prosecutions? cool

[Ef-man]

Not sure why you play this game- all your bullshit was debunked - yet you continue the charade

mueller report already said
russia offerd help
trump accepted
many illicit contacts were in the report (your claim is wrong - that because it didnt result in a conspiracy conviction= it never happened is disengenous garbage- the illicit contacts occured regardless of your garbage spin)


but you never learn

Imagine the outrage qtsa felt when I first called him out on his “I was korea” lie, as korea has great internet. He is too much of an idiot to understand he is being mocked! :lol


As if there is no internet in Korea! :lol

Damn, that is a lame excuse for hiding.

[Spurs Homer]

Imagine the outrage qtsa felt when I first called him out on his “I was korea” lie, as korea has great internet. He is too much of an idiot to understand he is being mocked! :lol


pizzagate should have taught him that his source of information is bullshit propaganda to placate rubes…

but he is absolutely tone deaf

[TSA]

Imagine the outrage qtsa felt when I first called him out on his “I was korea” lie, as korea has great internet. He is too much of an idiot to understand he is being mocked! :lol

You claimed I went into hiding because of January 6th.

You claimed I said there wasn't internet in Korea.

In an attempt to prove your claim you just linked a quote to the thread that proves I said neither.

You just further ruined your already failed schtick®️ :lol

[Ef-man]

You claimed I went into hiding because of January 6th.

You claimed I said there wasn't internet in Korea.

In an attempt to prove your claim you just linked a quote to the thread that proves I said neither.

You just further ruined your already failed schtick®️ :lol

You never proved you were in Korea; bottom line, you were hiding.

That you are being mocked has nothing to do with your lies about hiding.

Your continued dodging and flailing schtick is derp level lame.

No one is buying it, just like no one bought the pizzagate/q/alien space craft conspiracies you repeated. :lol

[TSA]

You never proved you were in Korea; bottom line, you were hiding.

That you are being mocked has nothing to do with your lies about hiding.

Your continued dodging and flailing schtick is derp level lame.

No one is buying it, just like no one bought the pizzagate/q/alien space craft conspiracies you repeated. :lol

You claimed I was hiding because of January 6th. Your linked quote to that thread refutes your own claim. :lol

Now you will need to create a new lie of why I stopped posting to continue your failed schtick®️. So what’s the new reason I stopped posting before January 6th?

[pgardn]

Mueller didn't convict a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections. Mueller didn't even accuse a single Trump person with conspiring or colluding with a single Russian to interfere in our elections.

Your attempts to conflate actual Russian interference with the Russiagate hoax are amusing.

Here I a TSA Style rebuttal that does not take forever:

Mr Mueller to look into:




The Russian government's efforts to interfere in the election
Any links or co-ordination between Russia and Trump campaign-linked individuals
Any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation




His investigation ventured into work done by former Trump advisers and Russian nationals. Thirty-four people have been charged with wrongdoing.


What did he find?
Mr Mueller's 448-page report (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf) said it had not established that the Trump campaign criminally conspired with Russia to influence the election.


However, it did detail 10 instances where Mr Trump had possibly attempted to impede the investigation and stated the report did not exonerate Mr Trump.


Mr Mueller reiterated that in a rare statement following the end of the inquiry and said legal guidelines prevent the indictment of a sitting president. He said if his team had had confidence that Mr Trump "clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so".


The real problem Imo was Schiff jumping the gun. There was so much Russian meddling and Trump asking for the Russians to find info that Schiff assumed this orange idiot of a thug had enough brains to actually set up something that really would be collusion.

[TSA]

Here I a TSA Style rebuttal that does not take forever:

Mr Mueller to look into:




The Russian government's efforts to interfere in the election
Any links or co-ordination between Russia and Trump campaign-linked individuals
Any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation




His investigation ventured into work done by former Trump advisers and Russian nationals. Thirty-four people have been charged with wrongdoing.


What did he find?
Mr Mueller's 448-page report (https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf) said it had not established that the Trump campaign criminally conspired with Russia to influence the election.


However, it did detail 10 instances where Mr Trump had possibly attempted to impede the investigation and stated the report did not exonerate Mr Trump.


Mr Mueller reiterated that in a rare statement following the end of the inquiry and said legal guidelines prevent the indictment of a sitting president. He said if his team had had confidence that Mr Trump "clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so".


The real problem Imo was Schiff jumping the gun. There was so much Russian meddling and Trump asking for the Russians to find info that Schiff assumed this orange idiot of a thug had enough brains to actually set up something that really would be collusion.

What do you think you’ve rebutted?

[Ef-man]

You claimed I was hiding because of January 6th. Your linked quote to that thread refutes your own claim. :lol

Now you will need to create a new lie of why I stopped posting to continue your failed schtick®️. So what’s the new reason I stopped posting before January 6th?

Welcome to the "take me at my word, I was working in korea, not hiding 3 weeks, 2 months, several months before J6" rodeo, please come again.

[ElNono]

Strzok was accused of nothing by Durham? :rollin At least I can finally confirm you've been trolling this whole time.

:lol Of course he wasn't. What did Durham prosecute him for? And if he didn't, in your own words, why not?

This is not really complicated.

[ElNono]

Im sorry man. Our crime rate has risen 30 points. And youre saying its not bad.

I get it, you have some money so you're insulated from the grit and probably dont care because teams and whatnot. I do the sams here. I live in the lowest crime rate town in California from the very northern borders to right about Billionairesville. But I cant turn a blind eye to whats happening here. Im sad you can.

30% increase in crime after a 25 year decline is a bad look, period. Red or blue, chief. Im a little saddened youre as tone deaf fo what the lower classes here are suffering and you seemingly abide by shameless classism. Be better, Nono. Or, just be honest.

You brought up the 90s, not me. Now you're trying to run away from it. A 30 point increase between 2020 and 2022 isn't good, but it's still substantially less than the 90s. I mean, by a whole lot.

I live in Los Angeles, so there's nothing to be insulated about. The biggest issue in LA, at least, isn't crime. It's about the same rate of any big city. The biggest issue here is housing and cost of living.

Was reading a poll recently, 70% of Californians want to stay and live in California, but only ~40% can afford to. That is ultimately the problem that needs to be addressed. And that's exactly what I tell people here when they ask: living in California is awesome, but you need to be able to afford it.


If what is happening now in California was due to Red representation, we'd be fucking Florida right now so far as MSM goes, or some other insignificant pissant red state with a few million population with no tax base.

DeSantis doesnt have shit on my Governor. Gavin Newsome is probably the most powerful and dangerous politician today and is too smart to step away from this orfice to pursue a likited Federal career when he has an open vault he can rob and genocide.

Newsome is lucky that the GOP imploded and moved further right, which makes them unelectable in any state with majority college educated people. That's largely the case in California.

It's actually sad watching republican nominees running as pretend-Democrats, and still losing badly because nobody is buying the con.

[ElNono]

I mean, let's put this in context here. Florida isn't a traditionally Red state. Didn't Obama carry it back to back? It's a battleground State that currently is leaning right due to the boomer retirees/transplants.

The prototypical Red states are Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee.. these are amongst the poorest, most uneducated and crime riddled States in the nation.

So when we talk about "conscience", the nightmare scenario is turning into one of those States, tbh...

[TSA]

RandomGuy I see you are active and posting today. Pick your favorite Steele dick sucking quote.

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Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?

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That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.

Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.

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Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.

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The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.

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What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.

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Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.

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Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.

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After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.

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I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.

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They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.

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Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?

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Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.

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I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin

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Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?

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That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.

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Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.

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So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.

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Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.

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There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

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trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?

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I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.

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[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy I see you are active and posting today. Pick your favorite Steele dick sucking quote.

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Why does his presence in the country have anything to do with the veracity of the report? Did you read the report/dossier at all?

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That is some more of what was confirmed by the document.

Every WHO mentioned in this dossier as having contacts with Russians that people have done any digging about has panned out. I care less about grammar, and more about things that can be verified.

The dossier, for all its faults, is the roadmap for the investigation.

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Steele's dossier describes a consistent, high-level effort to coordinate efforts between the Russian government, and the Trump campaign. It names Manafort directly.

The same Manafort at the meeting in Trump tower.

As would be expected with any raw intelligence compilation some of it has been actively corroborated, some not, but the overall assertions contained in this, outside of the pee tape, have begun to be borne out.

If you haven't actually read the whole thing, you probably should.

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The Steele Dossier is evidence. Not evidence you like, or consider valid, but it is evidence.

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What is interesting is how many things that can be corroborated out of the Steele dossier have panned out, as time goes by.

At this point, I am sadly confident that, as soon as Trump is out of office and not useful to the Russian government anymore, sex tapes of Donny are going to come out.

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Pretty much what the Steele dossier alleges. A sustained effort of coordination and intelligence sharing.

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Steele dossier details a sustained relationship, with information flowing both ways, and meetings between Trump campaign and various levels of campaign officials.

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After Trump has ceased being useful, whatever the Russians have has a good chance of coming out. Putin has enough money, so he might not care if Trumps businesses don't pay back the loans.

At that point, the sheer mayhem that such tapes would create will be irresistible to someone attempting to de-stabilize the western political system, and liberal democracy.

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I think the Steele dossier is broadly accurate, as it has proven so far.

Russian intelligence has compromised Donald Trump in some way, and Crooked Donny knows this.

As noted in the dossier, there has been a concerted effort on the part of Russian intelligence services to recruit assets for decades, as they have always done.

Specifically, I think they have given Trump a list of people they find "acceptable" for certain posts, with the criteria "acceptable" being that these people are either Russia-friendly or the Russians have leverage on them. This would explain how so many people in Trumps orbit just "happen" to have Russian ties.

Below Trump there was data flowing back and forth, again outlined fairly clearly in the dossier.

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They used data garnered from the RNC databases to give to the Russians for their targeted disinformation campaign. The campaign staff also was used as a conduit to give information on Russian oligarch economic activity to Putin, so he can keep tabs on his "allies".

This was outlined in the Steele Dossier, if you had read it. The attempts by Carter Page and Manafort to coordinate with the Russians was part of that, and both were mentioned, as one of the facts that actually panned out from this document.

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Circumstantial ad hominem

Funding source is irrelevant to underlying truth of any claims in them.

I told your dumb ass to look this up, but you can't seem to pass up an opportunity to play in your own waste.

Fallacy occurs when someone uses unsound reasoning to support a claim or argument. Circumstantial Ad Hominem occurs when someone attacks a claim by saying that the person making the claim is only making it because it's in his/her interest or because of his/her circumstances.

Correct critical thinking answer to your question is: Doesn't really matter.


Is the document false because of who paid for it?

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Steele's contacts were somewhat unique, which is why he was brought in.

--

I find it... bizarre... how badly the right wants Steele to be some sort of villain here. Steele has paid an incredible price, as have some of his likely sources[Russian KGB general murdered, spy and daughter poisoned], for coming forward.

IF that dossier was made up out of whole cloth.. Russian intelligence certainly seems to be awfully determined to kill people it knows weren't involved... just sayin

--

Can you provide some background information on how you came to the conclusion that the FISA warrant "heavily relied" on the Steele Dossier?

--

That is the problem for the people saying how politically motivated this thing is so it isn't trustworthy.

Everything that can be verified, has been.

--

Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.

--

So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.

--

Steele is very credible. That is why you fail.

--

There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials. Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

--

trying to laugh it all off.

You are one deluded chicken fucker.

Steele Dossier is batting 100% when it comes to outlining people related to Trump that colluded with Russia in some way.

What will your dumb ass say when Cohen starts talking about his meeting in Prague, moron?

--

I think, as the Steele dossier said waaaay back, that there was some high level coordination of efforts, i.e. collusion, with Russian intelligence. I guessed it was data sharing, because there were and are open source reports of such. We are starting to see that, like just about everything else that can be verified, pan out.

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:lmao

I do see you are begging for more of my time than I care to give you. That makes me happy. Seven mentions means you really think you have something here, and are more than a bit butthurt about Trump being indicted.

What is funny to me is that your attack here is based on the fetid-garbage beliefs about reality that you have. In this sewer the Steele dossier was completely made up and nothing in it was right. Because that is the kind of thing that the right wing does, it thinks everybody else operates that way.

In the end Trump is still a traitor, and is still a criminal. Deal with that. The STeele dossier, as I mentioned above details several meetings between Trumpers and Russians.

Russia for its part despises democracy an the US in general. Trump was seen as a way to damage both, and was actively supported by Russia. That is indisputable.

Trumps sucks, and even Russia knows it. :rollin

[TSA]

In this sewer the Steele dossier was completely made up and nothing in it was right."the Crossfire Hurricane investigators did not and could not corroborate any of the substantive allegations contained in the Steele reporting." :rollin


The STeele dossier, as I mentioned above details several meetings between Trumpers and Russians.You mentioned a lot fucking more than that about the Steele dossier. Just man up and say you 100% fell for the bullshit Steele dossier. Pretending you didn't is an embarrassing look.

[Winehole23]

CharlesMcGonigal – Special Agent in charge of the Counterintelligence Division for the New York Field Office. Previously Section Chief of the Cyber-Counterintelligence Coordination Section at FBI Headquarters.


A disgraced former FBI spy catcher faces up to five years in prison (https://themessenger.com/news/ex-fbi-spy-catcher-faces-5-years-after-admitting-to-secretly-working-for-putins-favorite-industrialist) Thursday for betraying America by exploiting his experience on behalf of a Russian oligarch described as a "henchman" for President Vladimir Putin.

Charles McGonigal, the former special agent in charge of the bureau's New York Counterintelligence Bureau, secretly used his job to compile a "Rolodex of rogues" to whom he could sell his services after retiring, federal prosecutors wrote in court papers ahead of his sentencing
https://themessenger.com/news/fbi-counterintelligence-charles-mcgonigal-betrayed-country-sentenced-prison-russian-oligarch-putin-oleg-deripaska

[Winehole23]

McGonigal retired from the FBI in September 2018 after exploiting his job as head of the New York Counterintelligence Division to compile what authorities called a "Rolodex of rogues" from whom he could profit as a private citizen.


In addition to the Deripaska case, McGonigal pleaded guilty earlier this year to Washington, D.C., to secretly accepting $225,000 (https://themessenger.com/news/former-fbi-spy-catcher-charles-mcgonigal-pleads-guilty-to-secretly-taking-225000-from-albanian-intel-officer) from an Albanian government official while working for the FBI.

[Thread]

https://themessenger.com/news/fbi-counterintelligence-charles-mcgonigal-betrayed-country-sentenced-prison-russian-oligarch-putin-oleg-deripaska

Too bad McVeigh couldn't a dealt with him, eh, Winester?

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

war on Christmas (https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1616828578792103936?s=20), GQP version

1616828578792103936

[Spurs Homer]

war on Christmas (https://x.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1616828578792103936?s=20), GQP version

1616828578792103936

Confession

[Thread]

Confession

Big deal, Homer. President Trump was threatened with bombs, decapitation, guns, swords and nobody gave two shits.

[Winehole23]

MIKE FLYNN: I don't raise my voice that much, but when I do, it means that we are moving to — as Alex just said — we're moving towards the sound of the guns here, folks. And the sound of the guns is freedom. We are going to move towards freedom. https://wendelllmalone.substack.com/p/general-flynn-issues-emergency-warning

[Thread]

https://wendelllmalone.substack.com/p/general-flynn-issues-emergency-warning

Same thing was claimed, voiced and acted upon but with a Black twang to it...aka BLM.

What's good for the Black goose, Winestein, is good for the White gander.

Let us proceed...

[Spurs Homer]

https://youtu.be/cIG13HZ1idY?si=2IHJRfbtO_h9zDmh




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[djohn2oo8]

Ahhhhhhh, some fuck ass bitches who have gone quiet now…..

[Thread]

Ahhhhhhh, some fuck ass bitches who have gone quiet now…..

Just good to have you back, dj. Ain't seen you over here in the age of a coon, aka a coon's age.

[Spurs Homer]

Ahhhhhhh, some fuck ass bitches who have gone quiet now…..


no internet in korea for comrade TSA

[Thread]

no internet in korea for comrade TSA

...perhaps, but mucho military material goin' into Russia from there, Homer,,,like a steady supply, don't ya know.

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

based

1788563026691358984

[Spurs Homer]

based

1788563026691358984

most honest thing he has done in decades

[Thread]

most honest thing he has done in decades

lhcontrollinao!!!

[Winehole23]

1797332870736007314

[Thread]

1797332870736007314

You fucks don't miss anybody that helped make him President, eh?

tee, hee.

[Ef-man]

Flynn still butthurt after Obama fired his ass!!! :lol

[Thread]

Flynn still butthurt after Obama fired his ass!!! :lol

Not so much that as you've rousted him ever since Trump made President.

[Spurs Homer]

1797332870736007314

All pussies....

that moron on that video knows shit about shit

[Thread]

All pussies....

that moron on that video knows shit about shit

You'd be the one to know about do-do.

[Spurs Homer]

https://youtu.be/TrxYrGOf-SE?si=q5uu2Mad6cJgzhDA

[Thread]

https://youtu.be/TrxYrGOf-SE?si=q5uu2Mad6cJgzhDA

Only pussies & assholes do AI, Homer.

Act like somebody.

[Winehole23]

still tending and teasing political violence

Rod of Iron Ministries is a Moonie splinter group that exalts the AR-15

1845084059833118793https://x.com/FordFischer/status/1845084059833118793

[Spurs Homer]

still tending and teasing political violence

Rod of Iron Ministries is a Moonie splinter group that exalts the AR-15

1845084059833118793https://x.com/FordFischer/status/1845084059833118793


Cannot even fit in my brain how ADULTS will sit and listen to this piece of shit and NOT understand what a lying treasonous idiot this guy is.

I know of zero veterans who are not ashamed of a guy who was an actual military high ranking officer - who is now actively promoting treasonous russian (or any enemy state) propaganda.

No one in that audience has the balls to stop him and say - "whoa- wait a minute former officer Flynn - you took an oath to defend the US constitution - what is wrong with you going around this country and recruiting TRAITORS??? wtf happened to your AMERICAN Patriotism - when did you join our enemies and why?"

[TSA]

Ahhhhhhh, some fuck ass bitches who have gone quiet now…..

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao