Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[UnWantedTheory]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1071619497315000321 You do realize this is all known information that is written in a way to rile retards up right? Comey and HRC won't see the inside of a court room let alone a jail cell bruh.

[Chris]

Not being able to answer questions because he wasn't apart of certain investigations and not being able to answer because of ongoing investigations seems pretty straight forward. No matter what he was going to say it was always going to be spun. Nothing is going to happen to Comey or HRC and it hasn't anything to do with corruption or the non-existent Deep State. This is pure political theatrics to rile the base and most should know that. What do you actually expect to come from shit like this regardless of the answers given?

Not being able to answer questions honestly because they implicate either himself or Queen Hillary is why he wanted to have the hearing in a public setting. I'm guessing you are unaware of the ongoing investigation into Hillary and the Clinton Foundation. Probably unfamiliar with who Huber and Horowitz are as well. Future Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee Lindsay Graham is ready to go after Hillary in the new year. Buckle up.

[Pavlov]

Not being able to answer questions honestly because they implicate either himself or Queen Hillary is why he wanted to have the hearing in a public setting. I'm guessing you are unaware of the ongoing investigation into Hillary and the Clinton Foundation. Probably unfamiliar with who Huber and Horowitz are as well. Future Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee Lindsay Graham is ready to go after Hillary in the new year. Buckle up.For what crimes are Hillary and Comey going to be charged?

Call your shot, Chris.

[Chris]

You do realize this is all known information that is written in a way to rile retards up right? Comey and HRC won't see the inside of a court room let alone a jail cell bruh.

It proves there was a 'HQ Special.' I see no provocative language or buzz words here to rile up anyone. You must be accustomed to fake news and editorials.

[Chris]

For what crimes are Hillary and Comey going to be charged?

Call your shot, Chris.

Hillary
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

Comey
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621#content
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obstruction_of_justice


^theoretically


Best to wait for the IG to finish and Huber to report before "calling any shots."

[Pavlov]

Hillary
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

Comey
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621#content
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obstruction_of_justice


^theoretically


Best to wait for the IG to finish and Huber to report before "calling any shots.":lol cop out

You forgot to mention to wait for Q to tell you what's going to happen.

[UnWantedTheory]

Not being able to answer questions honestly because they implicate either himself or Queen Hillary is why he wanted to have the hearing in a public setting. I'm guessing you are unaware of the ongoing investigation into Hillary and the Clinton Foundation. Probably unfamiliar with who Huber and Horowitz are as well. Future Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee Lindsay Graham is ready to go after Hillary in the new year. Buckle up.Buckle up? For what? I could give two fucks what happens to Comey or HRC. If they are found guilty of a crime nail their ass to the wall. My point is you're a fucking idiot if you think the last two years wasn't long enough to really begin going after them. The fact you still care to focus on this instead of what's current and relevant is why it is used to rile you up. What was Lindsey doing for the last two years btw? I guarantee you none of these fucks see a day in a court room let alone a jail cell. There would have to be one hell of a smoking gun found and broken FBI protocol isn't it. You will spend the next couple of years hearing about it and nothing will ever happen. You in turn will create another Deep State conspiracy when it doesn't work out. It's the cycle bruh.

[Spurs Homer]

Hillary
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

Comey
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1621#content
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obstruction_of_justice


^theoretically


Best to wait for the IG to finish and Huber to report before "calling any shots."

LOL

Hillary - for revealing classified info -
- BUT - Trump revealing classified info to the RUSSIANS - is just fine and dandy for you amirite?


Comey - Perjury -
BUT - Flynn/Manafort/Trump - et all can lie their ass off to the FBI - and they are just harmless "process crimes" according to the cult

Obstruction of Justice
BUT - Trump obstructs for over TWO YEARS - out in the open - and it is just fine and dandy


Defend your hypocrisy Chris


and go ahead and waste millions $$ going after really important emails (except not Ivanka's)
and slander a respected FBI director - for the same things you excuse Trump team lololol

CULT

[djohn2oo8]

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he ain’t making to to 2020 :)

[Winehole23]

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he ain’t making to to 2020 :)Which 20 GOP Senators will vote to remove him?

[djohn2oo8]

Which 20 GOP Senators will vote to remove him?
Mueller’s report with ALL the details will decide that :)

[djohn2oo8]

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My nigga Schiff didn’t say he’d finish his term though :)

[DMX7]

Which 20 GOP Senators will vote to remove him?

Future senator Mitt Romney is at least one.

[djohn2oo8]

Future senator Mitt Romney is at least one.
And people need to start realizing this. Trump is now a liability to the GOP. And 40 seat house loss in the election. A possible 2020 loss in the senate races. Judges already confirmed. He has no more use to them.

[DMX7]

1071799512375672833

My nigga Schiff didn’t say he’d finish his term though :)

Adam is making a very strong case for himself to be the next VP nominee. I could see someone like Bloomberg picking him as VP candidate if he got the nomination for POTUS.

[boutons_deux]

Mueller’s report with ALL the details will decide that :)

Repugs have long ago abandoned ethics, morals, justice, to be cheap, well-paid whores to the oligarchy,

and Trash has signed the tax law that made oligarchy $Ts richer.

I bet Pence gets screwed for lying about what he knew about Flynn shit.

President Pelosi, anyone?

[Spurs Homer]

1071799512375672833

My nigga Schiff didn’t say he’d finish his term though :)


Been saying this all along - especially when I see these threads of
"who can beat Trump in 2020" bs

He is a criminal and his crimes will have to be prosecuted. If it has to wait until he is out of office - so be it.

That TSA $$ bet ain't looking so secure for the bedshitter - is it?

:lol:lol

[Spurs Homer]

them Trumps; :lol:lol:lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQgJ-193Nu0

[DMC]

Note: If Trump got elected based on fraud/conspiracy... so did Pence. Pence would be the next POTUS if Trump was removed.

[djohn2oo8]

You said the FBI was biased. I guess you missed when they leaked to Nunes and Giuliani?
1071808266781495296

lol guess I was right again

[djohn2oo8]

Note: If Trump got elected based on fraud/conspiracy... so did Pence. Pence would be the next POTUS if Trump was removed.
In a normal situation yes Pence would be next. But he won’t come close to sniffing the Presidency with his legal issues.

[Spurs Homer]

Note: If Trump got elected based on fraud/conspiracy... so did Pence. Pence would be the next POTUS if Trump was removed.

pence was complicit in the coverup also

i would expect mueller to go up the chain so pence would be implicated
before trump

[Spurs Homer]

Lol beat me to it

[djohn2oo8]

pence was complicit in the coverup also

i would expect mueller to go up the chain so pence would be implicated
before trump
This.

[djohn2oo8]

1071815415897251840

[DMC]

What evidence do you have that Pence was complicit?

[djohn2oo8]

What evidence do you have that Pence was complicit?
Well for one, he was the head of the transition team who oversaw everything and said he had no idea about Flynn’s dealings.

Second, why would he need to lawyer up if he wasn’t complicit?

[djohn2oo8]

Oh and let’s not forget. Pence begged Mueller for an interview and Mueller said no. Why would Mueller turn down his request? Hmmm unless he is a target...

[djohn2oo8]

Hmm a criminal defense lawyer too

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/us/politics/pence-hires-criminal-defense-lawyer.amp.html

[boutons_deux]

Which 20 GOP Senators will vote to remove him?

wont happen

[DMC]

Well for one, he was the head of the transition team who oversaw everything and said he had no idea about Flynn’s dealings.

Second, why would he need to lawyer up if he wasn’t complicit?

Being in charge of a transition team doesn't implicate him in any way. It could make him a person of interest, but it doesn't create instant suspicion of guilt.

The second is circular reasoning. If you're a person of interest, especially at that level, you should have independent counsel. Having independent counsel doesn't make him a person of interest.

[djohn2oo8]

wont happen
It will.

[djohn2oo8]

Being in charge of a transition team doesn't implicate him in any way. It could make him a person of interest, but it doesn't create instant suspicion of guilt.

The second is circular reasoning. If you're a person of interest, especially at that level, you should have independent counsel. Having independent counsel doesn't make him a person of interest.
And he requested a sit down with Mueller. And was told no. Pretty much the entire White House including John Kelly has been interviewed by Mueller. Except Trump and Pence.

[Spurminator]

And people need to start realizing this. Trump is now a liability to the GOP. And 40 seat house loss in the election. A possible 2020 loss in the senate races. Judges already confirmed. He has no more use to them.

It will easier for Republicans to rally conservative voters by drumming up the "extremist Dems" taglines than by running a new candidate.

Most conservatives didn't vote for Trump because they liked him, they voted for him because they were more worried about liberals. Imagine any conservative who's scared to death of liberals in power, and then imagine if that person think Democrats might be able to impeach the President.

That's not to say they shouldn't impeach him if they find wrongdoing. I just don't think GOP cooperation is assured. Trump won't win re-election, but the GOP will lose a lot of Trump voters if they oust him before 2020. Instead, they'll use the threat of powerful Democrats to rally voters in House and Senate races.

[DMC]

Oh and let’s not forget. Pence begged Mueller for an interview and Mueller said no. Why would Mueller turn down his request? Hmmm unless he is a target...
Hyperbole is typically a sign of a weak point. (Pavlov and Philo scurry to copy this for later use against me)


Hmm a criminal defense lawyer too

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/us/politics/pence-hires-criminal-defense-lawyer.amp.html

Well he wouldn't hire a tax attorney during a criminal investigation.

Lawyers aren't only for the guilty.

[djohn2oo8]

Hyperbole is typically a sign of a weak point. (Pavlov and Philo scurry to copy this for later use against me)



Well he wouldn't hire a tax attorney during a criminal investigation.

Lawyers aren't only for the guilty.
You said it could make him a person of interest regarding the transition team. If that’s the case then Mueller would want to talk to him. Instead he refused Pence’s request to talk.

[DMC]

And he requested a sit down with Mueller. And was told no. Pretty much the entire White House including John Kelly has been interviewed by Mueller. Except Trump and Pence.
Volunteering to be interviewed should not indicate guilt. The bolded text is clear justification as to why Pence would hire an attorney. They aren't being questioned by the high school principal.

[Winehole23]

And he requested a sit down with Mueller. And was told no. Pretty much the entire White House including John Kelly has been interviewed by Mueller. Except Trump and Pence.It strains credibility to think the GOP caucus will turn on Trump, but it's not impossible. Pence would still be there.

The hypothesis GOP will throw both Trump and Pence overboard and propel Nancy Pelosi to the White House, however, is coo-coo.

Giving the White House to the opposition wouldn't be politically survivable for anyone who voted to do it.

[DMC]

You said it could make him a person of interest regarding the transition team. If that’s the case then Mueller would want to talk to him. Instead he refused Pence’s request to talk.

Most likely because he's not ready to go to that level because the evidence doesn't support it. It's not a small thing to interview the vice president of the US regarding criminal matters. You don't get there on step 1. Surely Philo or someone more versed in jurisprudence can provide a more solid answer (anyone is more versed than me I am sure).

[Winehole23]

djohn: nonstop wishcasting

[Spurs Homer]

What evidence do you have that Pence was complicit?

He is on tape - on the record -

giving two accounts of Flynn - and one of those accounts is a lie.

So - he will have to make a choice;

Did he know about Flynn discussing sanctions with the Russians?
He has given conflicting accounts.

Once he was told about Flynn being possibly compromised - what did he do?
Flynn stayed on as NSA chief for 18 days after Trump team knew (Sally Yates - told them Flynn was lying and that the Russians KNEW he was lying and could compromise him)
Flynn attended classified briefings and had classified intel briefings alongside Pence - and now there is reporting saying that Flynn was wearing a wire.

So will Pence say he KNEW Flynn was compromised because Yates testified to this -
and that he did NOTHING -
or will he say he was in the dark and then have

Mueller show him proof? (tapes/memos/Pence on tape giving conflicting answers)

Pence has a lot to think about.

[DMC]

He is on tape - on the record -

giving two accounts of Flynn - and one of those accounts is a lie.

So - he will have to make a choice;

Did he know about Flynn discussing sanctions with the Russians?
He has given conflicting accounts.

Once he was told about Flynn being possibly compromised - what did he do?
Flynn stayed on as NSA chief for 18 days after Trump team knew (Sally Yates - told them Flynn was lying and that the Russians KNEW he was lying and could compromise him)
Flynn attended classified briefings and had classified intel briefings alongside Pence - and now there is reporting saying that Flynn was wearing a wire.

So will Pence say he KNEW Flynn was compromised because Yates testified to this -
and that he did NOTHING -
or will he say he was in the dark and then have

Mueller show him proof? (tapes/memos/Pence on tape giving conflicting answers)

Pence has a lot to think about.

The scope of the investigation has to be taken into account. Mueller doesn't have carte blanche legal power to go anywhere he wants with the investigation.

[djohn2oo8]

1071834363388559360

[Winehole23]

The scope of the investigation has to be taken into account. Mueller doesn't have carte blanche legal power to go anywhere he wants with the investigation.what is the scope of the investigation?

be specific, if you can.

[Spurs Homer]

The scope of the investigation has to be taken into account. Mueller doesn't have carte blanche legal power to go anywhere he wants with the investigation.

Agree.

Pence is the VP - and he was on the transition team - so that pretty much covers Mueller.

If Mueller has any reason to believe a crime involving Pence has been committed - or that Pence is a witness to any evidence -

so yeah -

Mueller has carte blanche actually! lol

[Pavlov]

The scope of the investigation has to be taken into account. Mueller doesn't have carte blanche legal power to go anywhere he wants with the investigation.It's whatever Rosenstein deemed to be appropriate. If there's anything to investigate there, it seems to fall in line with what is known he found appropriate.

[boutons_deux]

It will.

The Senate has never convicted a President

[DMC]

what is the scope of the investigation?

be specific, if you can.

You're asking me to see if I know, not because you don't. The answer wouldn't change the fact of what I said earlier.

[DMC]

Agree.

Pence is the VP - and he was on the transition team - so that pretty much covers Mueller.

If Mueller has any reason to believe a crime involving Pence has been committed - or that Pence is a witness to any evidence -

so yeah -

Mueller has carte blanche actually! lol

You don't understand "carte blanche" obviously. Mueller can't just call Pence in for no reason to interview him. He cannot make special exceptions to interview people based on their requests.

[DMC]

It's whatever Rosenstein deemed to be appropriate. If there's anything to investigate there, it seems to fall in line with what is known he found appropriate.

This is past tense. It's set. It's not dynamic.

[Pavlov]

This is past tense. It's set. It's not dynamic.I used past tense in the case (not clear) that he is no longer supervising the probe.

If it was in the past, it was likely one of the first things investigated since Flynn cooperated for a year.

In short. You don't know and neither does anyone else.

[Winehole23]

You're asking me to see if I know, not because you don't. The answer wouldn't change the fact of what I said earlier.Spinning your wheels. Thought so.

[DMC]

Spinning your wheels. Thought so.

Do you not have access to the redacted memo? Do you not know about 28 CFR 600.4 that states the AG must approve other investigations that might arise from this one? This puts the power with the AG, not with Mueller.

[DMC]

I used past tense in the case (not clear) that he is no longer supervising the probe.

If it was in the past, it was likely one of the first things investigated since Flynn cooperated for a year.

In short. You don't know and neither does anyone else.

Whatever is in the redacted portion of the memo is set, it's not changing daily. This means the AG gave Mueller a certain scope of authority and things beyond that, which might arise from investigations that fall within that scope, must be approved by the AG before other investigations can be launched.

We don't know if Pence is in that redacted portion, but the fact that we can see Manafort specifically cited leads me to believe that the memo has specific names tied to specific accusations.

[Pavlov]

Whatever is in the redacted portion of the memo is set, it's not changing daily. This means the AG gave Mueller a certain scope of authority and things beyond that, which might arise from investigations that fall within that scope, must be approved by the AG before other investigations can be launched.
Thanks for repeating what I said.

[boutons_deux]

‘Anxiety is spiking’ among GOP officials who realize Trump plans to ‘wing it’ on response to Mueller probe

President Donald Trump remains confident that he will be able to beat the rap on special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into his alleged collusion with Russia in the 2016 campaign, but other Republicans are not so sure,

“Trump remains headstrong in his belief that he can outsmart adversaries and weather any threats, according to advisers.

In the Russia probe, he continues to roar denials, dubiously proclaiming that the latest allegations of wrongdoing by his former associates ‘totally clear’ him,”

“Some GOP senators were particularly shaken by last week’s revelation that former national security adviser Michael Flynn had met with Mueller’s team 19 separate times —

a distressing signal to them that the probe may be more serious than they had been led to assume,” :lol really, is now "more serious" :lol

“Anxiety is spiking among Republican allies, who complain that

Trump and the White House have no real plan for dealing with the Russia crisis while confronting a host of other troubles at home and abroad,”

“A war room? You serious?” the source said. “They’ve never had one,

will never have one.

They don’t know how to do one.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/anxiety-spiking-among-gop-officials-realize-trump-plans-wing-response-mueller-probe-report/

Confused, senile, obese Julie Annie is apparently the WH dick-sucker charged with the "Counter Mueller" report :lol (if there even is one)

[DMC]

Thanks for repeating what I said.

You tried to indicate that, because it's unknown to us, Mueller could have carte blanche. If you didn't do that, what was the point of your comment?

[Winehole23]

Do you not have access to the redacted memo? Do you not know about 28 CFR 600.4 that states the AG must approve other investigations that might arise from this one? This puts the power with the AG, not with Mueller.No one has suggested otherwise.

djohn and SH have as good a basis for saying Pence is within the scope of the investigation as you have of suggesting he isn't -- none.

[Pavlov]

You tried to indicate that, because it's unknown to us, Mueller could have carte blanche.I did not.

I never said Mueller had carte blanche or even could have it. He is always subject to supervision.

You're really not as smart as you want us to think you are.

[DMC]

No one has suggested otherwise.

djohn and SH have as good a basis for saying Pence is within the scope of the investigation as you have of suggesting he isn't -- none.

Except that wasn't said. What was said is that he's likely guilty because he hired an attorney, and because he "begged" for an interview when in reality he said he would be happy to be interviewed by Mueller, when asked, but hasn't been asked.

I didn't say Pence isn't in the scope of the investigation. I said Mueller doesn't have carte blanche.

Please provide the quote that confused you.

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1071595139527819264M A G A by old white guy

https://twitter.com/ellievan65/status/1071595139527819264

[DMC]

I did not.

You're really not as smart as you want us to think you are.

So I could have answered "no shit" to your "duh" comment that basically said "it is what it is"?

You didn't have a point then (since you never answered that question). It's my fault for giving you too much credit for stepping out of your faggot role. You didn't.

[Pavlov]

So I could have answered "no shit" to your "duh" comment that basically said "it is what it is"?

You didn't have a point then (since you never answered that question). It's my fault for giving you too much credit for stepping out of your faggot role. You didn't.lol DMC getting pissy because he's not as smart as he wants people to think.

[boutons_deux]

‘It’s Watergate for dummies’: Trump biographer mocks president’s lackies who have taken the fall for him

the author of “Trumpnation” shook his head in amazement while mocking all of the associates of Donald Trump who are looking at jail time for doing the president’s bidding while he was running for office.

he expects Trump to be named in future documents as an “unindicted co-conspirator” before turning to the associates of Trump who actually have been indicted.

“I think the other thing in all of it is, you know, my friend [Watergate attorney] Nick Akerman wisely told me a very long time ago: this is like Watergate,”

“If you just focus on the fact that something was stolen and people scrambled to cover that up you get somewhere,”

“But also it’s Watergate for dummies because

there’s a lot of very ignorant unsophisticated people floating around this.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/watergate-dummies-trump-biographer-mocks-presidents-lackies-taken-fall/

[DMC]

lol DMC getting pissy because he's not as smart as he wants his rep to be.

Who are you talking to?

[DMC]

Agree.

Pence is the VP - and he was on the transition team - so that pretty much covers Mueller.

If Mueller has any reason to believe a crime involving Pence has been committed - or that Pence is a witness to any evidence -

so yeah -

Mueller has carte blanche actually! lol


Do you not have access to the redacted memo? Do you not know about 28 CFR 600.4 that states the AG must approve other investigations that might arise from this one? This puts the power with the AG, not with Mueller.


No one has suggested otherwise.

djohn and SH have as good a basis for saying Pence is within the scope of the investigation as you have of suggesting he isn't -- none.

You need to recalibrate and try again.

[Pavlov]

Who are you talking to?You.

[DMC]

You.

Why did you use 3rd person?

[Pavlov]

Why did you use 3rd person?Felt like it.

Why not?

Are you confused?

[Winehole23]

DMC, I'll admit to scanning SH's posts as quickly as possible, but I'll stick with my reasonable inference from your response to him.

You're backpedaling now, but you clearly suggested Pence wasn't within the proper scope of the investigation -- based on nothing.

[Winehole23]

(in b4 DMC pleads the subjunctive)

[DMC]

Felt like it.

Why not?

Are you confused?

I guess there's a reason you've averaged over 50 posts a day for going on 2 years with that account. Most of what you say is gibberish filler yap.

[DMC]

DMC, I'll admit to scanning SH's posts as quickly as possible, but I'll stick with my reasonable inference from your response to him.

You're backpedaling now, but you clearly suggested Pence wasn't within the proper scope of the investigation -- based on nothing.

No. I said Mueller didn't have any evidence to suggest he needed to interview Pence, thus why Mueller didn't request it. Mueller can't just take people in per their request and Pence didn't actually request it, so more hyperbole.

But you're going to take your original position even though you've admitted to not paying attention before making the assessment. So much for being intellectually honest.


(in b4 DMC pleads the subjunctive)

This is you knowing you're being dishonest and trying to do damage control in advance.

[Pavlov]

I guess there's a reason you've averaged over 50 posts a day for going on 2 years with that account. Most of what you say is gibberish filler yap.:lol DMC pissy and confused

[DMC]

:lol DMC pissy and confused

^Poor man's Mouse

[Pavlov]

^Poor man's MouseSorry you agreed with me and got angry about it, DMC.

Gotta be tough for you.

[DMC]

Sorry you agreed with me and got angry about it, DMC.

Gotta be tough for you.
More color commentary vs substance from the forum troglodyte.

[Spurtacular]

More color commentary vs substance from the forum troglodyte.

:lmao Perfect description.

[Pavlov]

More color commentary vs substance from the forum troglodyte.:lol hypocrisy to boot.

lol DMC

[Spurtacular]

:lol hypocrisy to boot.

lol DMC

More color commentary vs substance from the forum troglodyte.

[Pavlov]

More color commentary vs substance from the forum troglodyte.:lol well you do share DMC's obsession with posters' personal information and creating narratives for them.

[DMC]

:lol hypocrisy to boot.

lol DMC

Petty provocation :lol

[DMC]

:lol well you do share DMC's obsession with posters' personal information and creating narratives for them.

:cry "I'm a victim"

:lol low rent provocateur

[Pavlov]

:cry "I'm a victim"I never said I was a victim.

I said you are obsessed with posters' personal information.

lol DMC's nonstop narrative creation

[Spurs Homer]

You don't understand "carte blanche" obviously. Mueller can't just call Pence in for no reason to interview him. He cannot make special exceptions to interview people based on their requests.

lol sorry if i confused the issue


i was being facetious - of course mueller does not have carte blanche

but from all the evidence implicating pence i was pretty much joking that mueller might as well have cb when it comes to pence

because pence is in deep!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1071853281402593281

Comey :lol

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1071853281402593281

Comey :lolSpoke with Comey about what?

[DMC]

lol sorry if i confused the issue


i was being facetious - of course mueller does not have carte blanche

but from all the evidence implicating pence i was pretty much joking that mueller might as well have cb when it comes to pence

because pence is in deep!

I asked for the evidence. This is where all of this started. Instead of evidence all I got was that he hired a lawyer and that he "begged" for an interview.

What Pence said in public cannot be considered perjury. He would have to lie under oath, so comparing notes between a talk show comment and a testimony is pointless. The commentary on a talk show might be enough to raise suspicion, but I don't think prosecutors could use that against him in a perjury case.

[DMC]

I never said I was a victim.

I said you are obsessed with posters' personal information.

lol DMC's nonstop narrative creation

I never said you claimed to be a victim. You sure seem defensive though, even going into 3rd person off and on. Are you off your meds?

You're one to talk about being sensitive... you had at least 3 people banned for trolling you.

[boutons_deux]

Andrew C. McCarthy: Why Trump is likely to be indicted by Manhattan US Attorney

The point for this day is that the Cohen case in New York City is not about Cohen.

The president is in peril of being charged.

https://www.foxnews.com (https://<strong>www.foxnews.com</strong>)/opinion/andrew-c-mccarthy-why-trump-is-likely-to-be-indicted-by-manhattan-us-attorney

[Chris]

Spoke with Comey about what?

About the emails...

Duh.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1071856123643346945

[DMC]

Andrew C. McCarthy: Why Trump is likely to be indicted by Manhattan US Attorney

The point for this day is that the Cohen case in New York City is not about Cohen.

The president is in peril of being charged.

https://www.foxnews.com (https://<strong>www.foxnews.com</strong>)/opinion/andrew-c-mccarthy-why-trump-is-likely-to-be-indicted-by-manhattan-us-attorney

Fox News good now

[Spurs Homer]

I asked for the evidence. This is where all of this started. Instead of evidence all I got was that he hired a lawyer and that he "begged" for an interview.

What Pence said in public cannot be considered perjury. He would have to lie under oath, so comparing notes between a talk show comment and a testimony is pointless. The commentary on a talk show might be enough to raise suspicion, but I don't think prosecutors could use that against him in a perjury case.

You said it yourself - ^

Mueller can use that as a reason to investigate Pence.

Why was pence lying? Why was he denying he knew anything about Flynn speaking to AND accepting money from foreign governments?

Well - good question.
Need more evidence;

Congress - IN WRITING - advised Pence (who was the HEAD of the Trump transition team) that Flynn had accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from Turkey.
Yet - Pence solemnly denied that he had

"any knowledge of Flynn accepting anything from foreign gov'ts"

Mueller has all he needs to investigate Pence.

[DMC]

About the emails...

Duh.

The most troublesome element of the Q and A between Gowdy and Comey was the fact that, at one point, Comey was talking to himself according to the transcriber. :lol

Seriously though, the bias between Peter Strozk and Lisa Page is a bigger issue, to me, than anything else Comey is being questioned about. Even though Strozk was removed from the investigation, there's at least enough credible, damning evidence to illustrate a concerted effort to turn a blind eye to Hillary's transgressions. The Lynch/Clinton meeting wasn't good either, but no one can prove what was said and I disagree with Comey about the fact of the meeting being more important than what was said, especially right after he said there's no way of knowing what was said. If the prosecution (assuming there was one) focused only on the fact of the meeting, they would rely too heavily on the appearance of conspiracy while knowing the conversation would either prove it or disprove it.

Either way, there's some shady shit going on on both sides. Probably has been since George Washington led, but knowing about it leaves me nauseous.

[Spurs Homer]

The most troublesome element of the Q and A between Gowdy and Comey was the fact that, at one point, Comey was talking to himself according to the transcriber. :lol

Seriously though, the bias between Peter Strozk and Lisa Page is a bigger issue, to me, than anything else Comey is being questioned about. Even though Strozk was removed from the investigation, there's at least enough credible, damning evidence to illustrate a concerted effort to turn a blind eye to Hillary's transgressions. The Lynch/Clinton meeting wasn't good either, but no one can prove what was said and I disagree with Comey about the fact of the meeting being more important than what was said, especially right after he said there's no way of knowing what was said. If the prosecution (assuming there was one) focused only on the fact of the meeting, they would rely too heavily on the appearance of conspiracy while knowing the conversation would either prove it or disprove it.

Either way, there's some shady shit going on on both sides. Probably has been since George Washington led, but knowing about it leaves me nauseous.

Talk about a nothing-burger -Strock/Page

c'mon - THIS bothers you?

Not lying, tax fraud, prostitutes, conspiracy to defraud, moscow tower bribes, emoluments clause fuckery - where trump is getting millions or billions from saudi or russia?


:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol


The HORROR

is strock/page talking shit about trump!

I talked shit about trump when he was a candidate. I said he was a piece of shit criminal. Half the fucking country knew he was a lying pos criminal.

Strock - KNEW - that the FBI had opened an investigation of 4 of Trumps team members BEFORE the election - but he said nothing?
He surely could have helped HRC - but he didn't - why?

Because he was just an FBI professional who got caught texting stupid texts - he still did his job.

He also ASSISTED COMEY - in writing the letter that would reopen the HRC EMAIL - investigation yet again - and cost Hillary the election.

Why would he ever assist in drafting that letter and NOT tell anyone - NOT leak anything about Trump team being investigated for russia contacts?


The HORROR that Strock/Page (rightfully) thought that Trump was a piece of shit who should not be allowed to be president.

Still - after having said all that = MUELLER KICKED THEM OFF THE TEAM IMMEDIATELY.

nothing-burger

[Chris]

The most troublesome element of the Q and A between Gowdy and Comey was the fact that, at one point, Comey was talking to himself according to the transcriber. :lol

Funny how Comey has perfect memory for his book, but can't recall ANYTHING when he is being questioned.

[Pavlov]

I never said you claimed to be a victim.Oh, why did you use the word in a reply to me, DMC?

Explain.


You're one to talk about being sensitive... you had at least 3 people banned for trolling you.I have never complained to anyone about any trolling.

lol DMC's narratives

[DMC]

You said it yourself - ^

Mueller can use that as a reason to investigate Pence.

No one said he couldn't. There's a reason he hasn't and that is likely because the evidence hasn't led him there. It's counter-intuitive to think Mueller would have the goods on Pence and ignore it. So Pence getting a lawyer or publicly stating he would interview doesn't indicate guilt to Mueller. Hopefully he has a stronger sense of what constitutes "evidence" than some wishcasters here have.


Why was pence lying? Why was he denying he knew anything about Flynn speaking to AND accepting money from foreign governments?

There's no legal ramifications to lying to the public. Regardless of his reasons, legally he's safe and I doubt Mueller relies on that to make a case about it.


Well - good question.
Need more evidence;

Congress - IN WRITING - advised Pence (who was the HEAD of the Trump transition team) that Flynn had accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from Turkey.
Yet - Pence solemnly denied that he had

Didn't deny it under oath.


"any knowledge of Flynn accepting anything from foreign gov'ts"

Mueller has all he needs to investigate Pence.
Then why hasn't he?

[DMC]

Oh, why did you use the word in a reply to me, DMC?

Explain.

Because I wanted to. Are you confused? :lol


I have never complained to anyone about any trolling.

lol DMC's narratives

Sure :lol

[DMC]

Funny how Comey has perfect memory for his book, but can't recall ANYTHING when he is being questioned.

There's a huge difference between conversational memory and testimony under oath.

Gowdy was pretty sloppy with the questions and Comey is an expert at that. Prosecutors ask leading questions and do so sloppily in hopes of getting a statement they can go back to later. Comey isn't stupid. He refused to speculate or answer broad based questions, or ambiguous questions.

[Pavlov]

Because I wanted to. Are you confused? :lolActually I am.

To whom were you referring when you used "I'm a victim" in a reply to me using my screen name for the quote?


Sure :lolYes, you make narratives for posters all the time when your quest for their personal information is stymied.

[DMC]

Actually I am.

To whom were you referring when you used the term victim?

What did I say?


Yes, you make narratives for posters all the time when your quest for their personal information is stymied.

What makes you think anything is stymied?

[Pavlov]

What did I say?

:cry "I'm a victim"

:lol low rent provocateur


What makes you think anything is stymied?You're making up narratives.

[Chris]

There's a huge difference between conversational memory and testimony under oath.

Gowdy was pretty sloppy with the questions and Comey is an expert at that. Prosecutors ask leading questions and do so sloppily in hopes of getting a statement they can go back to later. Comey isn't stupid. He refused to speculate or answer broad based questions, or ambiguous questions.

Keep in mind there were DOJ lawyers there holding Comey's hand.

[DMC]

Keep in mind there were DOJ lawyers there holding Comey's hand.

Yes I know, but Comey was the director of the FBI. He didn't get there by being a fool.

[DMC]

You're making up narratives.

How do you get anything I said was aimed at you specifically? Are you paranoid?

Hint: The low rent comment was aimed right at you

[Pavlov]

How do you get anything I said was aimed at you specifically?You were explicitly replying to me.


To whom were you referring when you used "I'm a victim" in a reply to me?

Step up.

[DMC]

You were explicitly replying to me.


To whom were you referring when you used "I'm a victim" in a reply to me?

Step up.

Old 2 Cents melting down again :lol

Just another fine example of you sticking your 2 cents in and getting worked up over a discussion that didn't even pertain to you.

Forum troglodyte

[Pavlov]

Old 2 Cents melting down again :lol

Just another fine example of you sticking your 2 cents in and getting worked up over a discussion that didn't even pertain to you.

Forum troglodytelol DerpMC curling up into a ball at a simple question about his own post.

To whom were you referring when you used "I'm a victim" in a reply to me?

[DMC]

lol DerpMC curling up into a ball at a simple question about his own post.

To whom were you referring when you used "I'm a victim" in a reply to me?

:lol

[Pavlov]

:lol:lol

[DMC]

Not nearly as accurate or unique as "2 Cents". That's your moniker now. You should claim it before someone else does.

[Pavlov]

Not nearly as accurate or unique as "2 Cents". That's your moniker now. You should claim it before someone else does.DerpMC is completely accurate because you post just like Derp now, complete with all the whining and pant shitting.

[DMC]

DerpMC is completely accurate because you post just like Derp now, complete with all the whining and pant shitting.

You can have that;;;;;

I'll take you with

2 Cents

[Pavlov]

You can have that;;;;;

I'll take you with

2 CentsIf "taking" me is important to you.

lol derp

[djohn2oo8]

If "taking" me is important to you.

lol derp
:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Derp and chirp at the same time.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1071915825039360000

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/1071973264501673984

[Spurs Homer]

Let's hope Trump enjoyed his weekend because ....



back in the HOT SEAT tomorrow!

Mueller & team - back to work!

[Chris]

Trump still not a target, but keep spinning your wheels.

[Winehole23]

No. I said Mueller didn't have any evidence to suggest he needed to interview Pence, thus why Mueller didn't request it. Mueller can't just take people in per their request and Pence didn't actually request it, so more hyperboleThere are two reasons to bring it up in the first place. To tweak SH's nose and to fade the heat on Pence.

If the former, so what?

If the latter, how pathetic.

[Winehole23]

Trump still not a target, but keep spinning your wheels.Surrounded by liars, walls closing in.

Why did they all lie?

[DMC]

There are two reasons to bring it up in the first place. To tweak SH's nose and to fade the heat on Pence.

If the former, so what?

If the latter, how pathetic.

You're such a drama queen. Do you have a point?

Read the conversation then comment on it. Then you'll not have so much egg on your face.

The comment was, from me, that Pence would be the next POTUS if Trump was removed, and it was countered with a comment that he'd also be removed. Since he's not even been interviewed that's a huge leap. DJohn made some hyperbolic statements about Pence being guilty for having an attorney and "begging" for an interview with Mueller.

You're like one of those people who doesn't watch a series but wants to walk through the room and ask what's going on.

[DMC]

Surrounded by liars, walls closing in.

Why did they all lie?

Have you ever had a real discussion on this forum or do all of your attempts at discussions devolve into this kind of confirmation bias style posting?

[DMC]

Let's hope Trump enjoyed his weekend because ....



back in the HOT SEAT tomorrow!

Mueller & team - back to work!
I like how you ignored rational discussion in favor of cheerleading again.

They should change the name of the discussion board to "Political Fan Forum"

[boutons_deux]

"Mueller didn't have any evidence to suggest he needed to interview Pence"

Pence lied about Flynn/Russians, and then Flynn ratted on Pence.

That's only what we know publicly.

M doesn't need to talk to P

[DMC]

"Mueller didn't have any evidence to suggest he needed to interview Pence"

Pence lied about Flynn/Russians, and then Flynn ratted on Pence.

That's only what we know publicly.

M doesn't need to talk to P





A politician lied to the public. Let's indict everyone who ever held public office.

[DarrinS]

Why all the talk about Pence?

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Spurs Homer]

I like how you ignored rational discussion in favor of cheerleading again.

They should change the name of the discussion board to "Political Fan Forum"

I did no such thing.

I never saw a response - when I pointed out your hypocrisy regarding the Strock/Page fake outrage -
while giving a pass to Trump/GOP fuckery.

I get it - you defend Trump at all costs while attacking any of his critics.

[Winehole23]

Why all the talk about Pence?impeachment talk is trending on the news of DJT's campaign finance crimes

[DarrinS]

impeachment talk is trending on the news of DJT's campaign finance crimes


No Russia shenanigans, so go after the Stormy payment. Lulz

[RandomGuy]

No Russia shenanigans, so go after the Stormy payment. Lulz

You didn't read the filings very closely, obviously.

Try obstruction of justice, and high crimes and misdemeanors.

Trump has done things that are eerily similar to what Nixon was accused of, but your other moron was stupid enough to do it openly.

[DarrinS]

You didn't read the filings very closely, obviously.

Try obstruction of justice, and high crimes and misdemeanors.

Trump has done things that are eerily similar to what Nixon was accused of, but your other moron was stupid enough to do it openly.


Show me on this doll where Orange man hurt you. :lmao

[Winehole23]

No Russia shenanigans, so go after the Stormy payment. LulzLying to cover up marital infidelity is impeachable, just look at Bill Clinton.

I think the Dems would be dumb to do it, but the precedent is there.

[RandomGuy]

A politician lied to the public. Let's indict everyone who ever held public office.

How about lying under oath? Should we indict politicians for that?

Amazing how little people like you care for the rule of law when it gets applied to your politicians.

[Trill Clinton]

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1072110026729422848?s=19

[RandomGuy]

Lying to cover up marital infidelity is impeachable, just look at Bill Clinton.

I think the Dems would be dumb to do it, but the precedent is there.

I think they will have little choice but to move forward once the Mueller report drops. I was of that same opinion, but I think the case will be laid out pretty plainly.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/watergate-road-map-what-it-says-and-what-it-suggests-mueller

https://www.archives.gov/research/investigations/watergate/roadmap
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/investigations/watergate/roadmap/docid-70105890.pdf

[DarrinS]

Defeat and the Dossier Explain Everything

Donald Trump’s former consiglieri Michael Cohen, along with being charged with tax avoidance and improper business deals, allegedly is guilty also of trying to leverage money and attention by exaggerating his influence with candidate and later President Trump.

In other words, Cohen to spec followed the standard creepy daily fare for Washington and New York wannabe fixers. But did we need Robert Mueller’s 18 months and $40 million to uncover and redirect to federal attorneys what was largely self-evident? Could not the U.S. government long ago, without the prompt of a special counsel, have uncovered that Michael Cohen did not fully pay his taxes—in the manner of an Al Sharpton, Timothy Geithner, and Tom Daschle?

The diabolical Cohen also tried to enforce, extend, or create non-disclosure agreements (Swampese for hush money) with two women from Trump’s past. The two reappeared out of nowhere in 2016, apparently to translate their alleged Trump hookups of a few hours in years past to notoriety and additional profit in the new age of “President Trump.”

Swamp Crimes
In other words, Michael Cohen was a sort of rough-hewn version of former Bill Clinton crony Vernon Jordan. The latter, remember, was the erstwhile Clinton fixer who in 1998 had sought to keep the still unknown Clinton paramour Monica Lewinsky quiet—and to whisk her away from the Washington media, by arranging for Monica a quid pro quo $40,000 a year job with Revlon in New York, via Clinton friend and Revlon CEO Ron Perelman—all with impunity.

Cohen certainly lacked the tact and savvy of another Clinton clean-up specialist, Betsey Wright, who in 1992 coined the term “bimbo eruptions” for her efforts to track down and neutralize any sudden public confessionals from the legions of past Clinton hookups.

Who knows, had we a Robert Mueller in 1933 he might have been able to charge General Douglas MacArthur and his alleged bag man, aide Major Dwight Eisenhower, with at least something for secretly delivering a bribe of $15,000 to MacArthur’s then 19-year old mistress, Isabel Rosario Cooper (who allegedly had been the general’s mistress since she was 16). The plan was to get her out of the United States and away from the reporting of sleazy muckraker Drew Pearson, who was eager to break the story.

Cohen’s efforts to pay off the Trump gals were understandably rebranded by federal attorneys into the acquitted John Edwards-style “campaign finance violations.” And who knows, now Cohen may well have to pay far more than the existing record federal elections commission fine of $375,000 involving 1,300 undisclosed contributions levied on the 2008 Barack Obama campaign—an event generally ignored by the media given the extenuating hurrahs of 2009.

Mueller and the New York federal attorneys were rightly upset that Cohen allegedly lied and admitted that he lied under oath. By all means, let us jail Cohen for subverting the entire foundation of our legal system that must rely on honest testimonies in all government inquiries.

And in that same spirit, let the Department of Justice also charge former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper for lying under oath when he deliberately misled congress about NSA surveillance (and admitted to lying), and John Brennan as well, who as CIA director lied on two occasions about drone collateral damage and CIA surveillance of Senate staff computers (and admitted to such), and has serially misrepresented his efforts with then-Senator Harry Reid to seed the Steele dossier.

And let us indict either the former director James Comey or the deputy director Andrew McCabe of the FBI—or both—for making false statements to federal investigators and Congress, given their respective testimonies under oath about leaking to the press and the role of the Steele dossier in FISA warrants cannot be reconciled.

With all due respect to Michael Cohen, what is currently destroying the concept of the American system of jurisprudence are not the self-serving lies of such a minor shady operator, but rather the deliberate and more artful prevarication under oath of the nation’s top intelligence and law enforcement officers.

The Loco Act
General Michael Flynn, the special counsel also asserts, might have sort of, kind of not registered as a foreign agent when making contracts with the Turkish government, the normal stuff of Washington revolving door entrepreneurs.

I think any good D.C. journalist could swiftly send Mueller the names of 1,000 Washington wheeler-dealers, starting with Bill Clinton and Tony Podesta, who might fit his definition of failing to register under the statutes of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

Any time a prosecutor resorts to name dropping ominously the ossified “Logan Act” (as in criminalizing Flynn’s talking to Russians), it is a de facto admission that he has no credible case and is throwing around smears and slanders to see what will stick. The Logan Act never does.

To the degree there even exists a real 1799 Logan Act any more—which is meant to outlaw private citizens freelancing at foreign policy to undermine the current U.S. government—the locus classicus would obviously be citizen John Kerry’s secretive meetings this year with the Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. Kerry allegedly commiserated with Zarif over the Trump Administration’s cancellation of the Iran Deal and was seeking ways to keep the vestiges of the deal and their joint anti-Trump private channels alive until there was regime change in Washington.

If Mueller is more concerned about transition teams than with purely private citizens like Kerry, he could look back to 2008 rumors that senator and candidate Obama allegedly suggested to Iraqis that they reconsider and put off their ongoing basing arrangements discussions with the Bush Administration until there was a new administration in power in 2009. The Logan Act, then, is nothing other than a talking point brought up whenever the exasperated out-of-power party wishes to suggest it was once undermined by the current in-power party.

While being threatened with the Logan Act, Flynn allegedly did not recount his conversations in a way that matched transcripts of furtive surveillance of the Russian ambassador. Translated, that means Flynn was likely reversed targeted on the chance of catching him in a perjury trap. In the old days, liberals would have argued that the warrant for such surveillance—originally based in part on a fictitious Steele dossier that created a sort of government hysteria to monitor all things Trump and Russian—contaminated all that followed as the “fruit of a poisonous tree.” And according to the “exclusionary rule,” Flynn would have never faced perjury charges had he not been reverse targeted for perfectly proper conversations with the Russian ambassador who was targeted for surveillance.

Flynn may have been unmasked largely due to a mysterious last-minute Obama executive order vastly expanding government access to surveillance transcripts—and in hope of guaranteeing that the names of those whom the Obama Administration had spied on would be unmasked and leaked to the press.

In other words, “Russian collusion” that spread throughout the government and the media after the 2016 election to undermine Trump’s transition and presidency can be traced almost entirely to Christopher Steele’s machinations.

The Font
What then is the Mueller chase all about?

In reductionist terms, in the midst of a political campaign, and as “insurance” for an expected Clinton victory, had Hillary Clinton not hired the Perkins Coie law firm (masking her own role) to hire Glenn Simpson’s Fusion GPS, to hire foreign national Christopher Steele, to hire foreign national Russian sources, to spin yarns about Donald Trump’s alleged “collusion” (spiced up for media leakage with lurid stories of Trump urolagnia), to create 11th-hour election anti-Trump hysteria throughout the media and federal government, then special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation would never have existed.

Or is it even worse than that?

Had Hillary Clinton just won the election as she was supposed to do, and Donald Trump, as he too was supposed to do, just sulked back in humiliation and media ridicule to his penthouse suite at Trump Tower, then the 2016 campaign’s sensationalized leaked yarns from the Steele dossier would have at best warranted a tiny lurid goodbye hit piece on Trump from the New Yorker or Vanity Fair. But simply by winning, Donald Trump brought untold misery upon his family, friends, associates—and himself.

What all the later unmaskings of U.S. citizens’ names by Obama officials, all the daily leaking of “bombshell” rumors to warp an election, transition, and presidency, all the lying under oath, all the texting of Page and Strzok, all the machinations of Andrew McCabe and James Comey, all the FBI insertions of informants, all the involvement of the CIA, Justice, and State Department in seeding the rumors and slander, all the collusion of a foreign national spying on a presidential candidate—what it was all about in the end was simple: In 2016, legions of bureaucrats wanted to score points in Hillary Clinton’s foreordained new administration by vying with each other to “insure” her blowout, to brag they had done in the ogre Trump, and to expect not so much impunity as adoration for their illegal but supposedly patriotic service beyond the call of duty. Trump was not just to be defeated but humiliated and destroyed as a lesson.

Then Clinton lost—or rather she blew a sure Electoral College victory.

All at once, the embarrassing comic-book contents of the ridiculous Steele dossier became the scapegoat. Accordingly, those still stunned, dumbfounded,and furious in the media and government immediately once again found the campaign collusionary dossier useful—now not to destroy candidate Trump, but rather to explain the inexplicable, and to ruin the culprit for her defeat and overturn the verdict of the election.

And given the ensuing hysteria, within about seven months the creation of Special Counsel Robert Mueller was the result.

Hillary Clinton, Christopher Steele, and Robert Mueller are all joined at the hip.


https://amgreatness.com/2018/12/09/defeat-and-the-dossier-explain-everything/

[Winehole23]

No Russia shenanigans, so go after the Stormy payment. Lulz^^^This may not age well.

There's plenty of smoke and a lot of prevarication around the Trump campaign's contact with 14 Russian nationals during the campaign.

Why do you think DJT and the people around him have lied about it so much?

[RandomGuy]

Show me on this doll where Orange man hurt you. :lmao

(shrugs)

Reality cares little for what you think is true, or risible for that matter. I feel a little sorry for you. The people lying to you do so shamelessly, and you seem almost helpless in the face of that.

[DarrinS]

^^^This may not age well.

There's plenty of smoke and a lot of prevarication around the Trump campaign's contact with 14 Russian nationals during the campaign.

Why do you think DJT and the people around him have lied about it so much?


It will age like a fine wine. Muh Russia collusion was always a red herring

[RandomGuy]

Defeat and the Dossier Explain Everything[wall of text redacted for brevity]
Hillary Clinton [et cetera]

https://amgreatness.com/2018/12/09/defeat-and-the-dossier-explain-everything/

Mueller hasn't released his report. Your author speaks as if all that is currently known is everything there is to know.

What if Mueller shows that Trump broke the law? What then, Darrin?

[boutons_deux]

I think they will have little choice but to move forward once the Mueller report drops.

yep, the Dems letting Trash off "scott"-free, would a horrible example, signalling that even the pro forma, the pretense of the rule of law and of enforcing the Constitution are jokes

opening the door for a much smarter Repug Pres and a much smarter staff to do even more damage. Same goes for the red/slave states. NC, WI, MI are also executing coups d'etat, a fuck you to voters, and they won't be, can't be punished.

"Consent of the governed" and good faith are the basis of true democracy (which the USA isn't, and hasn't been for decades).

Oligarchy/Capitalists/Repugs are blatantly saying "fuck democracy, fuck citizens, we OWN and operate the USA now, and nobody can stop us.

All opposition is illegit"

Capitalism and democracy, capitalism and life on earth, are antithetical.

[Winehole23]

It will age like a fine wine. Muh Russia collusion was always a red herringso why did Trump lie his ass off?

[Winehole23]

IN B4 NO CONSCIOUSNESS OF GUILT, IT'S JUST WHAT HE DOES

[Spurs Homer]

Mueller hasn't released his report. Your author speaks as if all that is currently known is everything there is to know.

What if Mueller shows that Trump broke the law? What then, Darrin?

Already did.

Cohen was DIRECTED by his boss - Individual - 1 - to commit these crimes. Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in felonies.

The CULT will not care - and Jim Jones aka Trump is above the law in their eyes.

[TSA]

lol @ anyone who thinks Trump will see jail time for a campaign finance violation. You people are delusional.

[TSA]

welp. There it is. Comey admitted they used an unverified dossier to obtain a FISA.

1071510692577054720

[Winehole23]

I think they will have little choice but to move forward once the Mueller report drops. I was of that same opinion, but I think the case will be laid out pretty plainly.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/watergate-road-map-what-it-says-and-what-it-suggests-mueller

https://www.archives.gov/research/investigations/watergate/roadmap
https://www.archives.gov/files/research/investigations/watergate/roadmap/docid-70105890.pdfthe Road Map remained under court seal over 40 years.

is there some reason to think that wouldn't be the case again?

[Winehole23]

welp. There it is. Comey admitted they used an unverified dossier to obtain a FISA.

1071510692577054720 the redactions in the FISA application suggests there's plenty of non-public evidence.

the dirty dossier got leaked beforehand and so is part of the public record. to suggest there's nothing else in the investigative record probably isn't a sound deduction.

[Pavlov]

welp. There it is. Comey admitted they used an unverified dossier to obtain a FISA.

1071510692577054720S:loll:lolm:loln

When was this in question, TSA?

[Pavlov]

lol @ anyone who thinks Trump will see jail time for a campaign finance violation. You people are delusional.Felonies good now.

Nice that you have to move dem goalposts again.

[DarrinS]

Here's a Russian you should be worried about

https://hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sergey-Brin.jpg

[Pavlov]

Look, everyone! Darrin wants you to care about something else 1500 times!

[djohn2oo8]

1072156485105475584

[djohn2oo8]

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NRA and GOP, this is not good for

[Pavlov]

1072156485105475584

LOOK AT THIS OTHER THING!

[djohn2oo8]

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[DarrinS]

“The political dilemma for Democrats is that lying about sex and paying to cover it up are wrong, but they’re a long way from collaborating with the Kremlin to beat Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Trump lied to the public about his dealings with Mr. Cohen. Bill Clinton lied to the public and under oath in a legal proceeding, yet Democrats defended him. Good luck trying to impeach Mr. Trump for campaign-finance violations.”


https://outline.com/Hvm2aq

[Pavlov]

“The political dilemma for Democrats is that lying about sex and paying to cover it up are wrong, but they’re a long way from collaborating with the Kremlin to beat Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Trump lied to the public about his dealings with Mr. Cohen. Bill Clinton lied to the public and under oath in a legal proceeding, yet Democrats defended him. Good luck trying to impeach Mr. Trump for campaign-finance violations.”


https://outline.com/Hvm2aqSo, the law doesn't matter to you at all.

OK.

Bill Clinton was impeached.

[djohn2oo8]

So, the law doesn't matter to you at all.

OK.

Bill Clinton was impeached.
But I thought he didn’t care?

[Winehole23]

BREAKING THE LAW ISN'T A CRIME

[djohn2oo8]

1072156485105475584
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[Pavlov]

lol smocking
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[djohn2oo8]

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lol

[Spurs Homer]

lol @ anyone who thinks Trump will see jail time for a campaign finance violation. You people are delusional.

He will do jail time - we still don't know which of his multiple crimes will clinch it but he will end up in the Crossbar Hotel one day.

2021 he returns to civilian life and he will not have anything else to shield him from prosecution.

The real question - which you are too scared to answer is this;

yes or no

are you prepared to drink the kool-aid when dear leader jim jones aka trump orders you to?

[boutons_deux]

lol smocking
1072095127894667265

not one, but two smocking, not a typo

Fordham and Wharton universities dun did him reel gud

[spurraider21]

welp. There it is. Comey admitted they used an unverified dossier to obtain a FISA.

1071510692577054720
is this substantively any different from what he already said back in his 2017 hearing? why is it such a big boom bombshell now?

[Spurs Homer]

is this substantively any different from what he already said back in his 2017 hearing? why is it such a big boom bombshell now?


As if one piece of evidence was all that was needed to obtain a FISA.

Justice dept already explained a million times that a dossier is just an investigators preliminary findings and many other things go into an investigation.
FISA courts review tons of evidence and then those Republican judges make a ruling.

This FOX news/Hannity propaganda is just another bogus distraction.

[djohn2oo8]

As if one piece of evidence was all that was needed to obtain a FISA.

Justice dept already explained a million times that a dossier is just an investigators preliminary findings and many other things go into an investigation.
FISA courts review tons of evidence and then those Republican judges make a ruling.

This FOX news/Hannity propaganda is just another bogus distraction.
He has nothing. Zilch.

[Pavlov]

is this substantively any different from what he already said back in his 2017 hearing? why is it such a big boom bombshell now?John Solomon's job RE: Dem "scandals"
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Jejt7O03eXaRQre/giphy.gif

[boutons_deux]

"unverified dossier to obtain a FISA"

FBI obtained FISA so as to verify the dossier, :lol

which was nothing but one of 1000s of leads the FBI receives and investigates,

although the Steele dossier must have stood out as particularly dangerous and credible,

given that FBI must have known Steele was career UK spook specializing on Russia.

[boutons_deux]

Butina to plead guilty AND cooperate, and on FBI's terms?

She could inculpate Russian-money-launderer supposedly-bankrupt NRA beautifully.

[Pavlov]

Butina was out of options the second she was denied bail.

[boutons_deux]

Butina was out of options the second she was denied bail.

clearly a "flight risk"

[DMC]

How about lying under oath? Should we indict politicians for that?

Amazing how little people like you care for the rule of law when it gets applied to your politicians.

He wasn't under oath

[DMC]

He will do jail time - we still don't know which of his multiple crimes will clinch it but he will end up in the Crossbar Hotel one day.

2021 he returns to civilian life and he will not have anything else to shield him from prosecution.

The real question - which you are too scared to answer is this;

yes or no

are you prepared to drink the kool-aid when dear leader jim jones aka trump orders you to?

Wishcasting again

[DMC]

I did no such thing.

I never saw a response - when I pointed out your hypocrisy regarding the Strock/Page fake outrage -
while giving a pass to Trump/GOP fuckery.

I get it - you defend Trump at all costs while attacking any of his critics.

Still ignoring it.

[benefactor]

lol smocking
1072095127894667265
:lol twice

[boutons_deux]

Trash must been thinking abou how easy pussy grabbing is when the victim is wearing a smock

https://www.dejolifashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/glamorous-smock-dress-in-black-what-is-a-smock-dress.jpg

[Pavlov]

That's a frock.

[Winehole23]

lol smocking
1072095127894667265why spellcheck couldn't save POTUS this time:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smocking

[Spurs Homer]

Wishcasting again


A criminal commits crimes. Investigations uncover the crimes. Justice department prosecutes.

Criminals go to prison.

Pretty normal - no matter what party those criminals belong to.

If HRC actually broke laws and was prosecuted - I would want her locked up also -


unlike trump cultists who want to apply the law to others but not their dear leader.

[djohn2oo8]

A criminal commits crimes. Investigations uncover the crimes. Justice department prosecutes.

Criminals go to prison.

Pretty normal - no matter what party those criminals belong to.

If HRC actually broke laws and was prosecuted - I would want her locked up also -


unlike trump cultists who want to apply the law to others but not their dear leader.
DMC actually thought Kim Jung Un was going to denuclearize. He is not worth debating :lol

[Spurs Homer]

DMC actually thought Kim Jung Un was going to denuclearize. He is not worth debating :lol

He fell for

the arsonist in chief starts a fire...then claims a W when he puts out the fire he started?


:lol:lol

[djohn2oo8]

He fell for

the arsonist in chief starts a fire...then claims a W when he puts out the fire he started?


:lol:lol
Pretty much :lol

[Trill Clinton]

http://i64.tinypic.com/vdpbn.jpg

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1071898451837898755?s=19

[djohn2oo8]

http://i64.tinypic.com/vdpbn.jpg

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1071898451837898755?s=19
:lol

[florige]

:lol twice


I sometimes wonder if Trump plays the total moron role on purpose.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48172387_10209858169891126_6673640585343008768_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=32b7174bafc0ea1a23dd17c3b0655a22&oe=5C919D93

[djohn2oo8]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48172387_10209858169891126_6673640585343008768_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=32b7174bafc0ea1a23dd17c3b0655a22&oe=5C919D93



:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Rofl

[djohn2oo8]

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[Pavlov]

1072262961832620032This guy is supremely screwed:
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/2be7acd3baae059a8128166d12899256ab1d9ee4/c=0-8-249-340/local/-/media/2018/07/18/SiouxFalls/SiouxFalls/636675371838519171-Paul-Erickson-Photo.jpg
:lol

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

This guy is supremely screwed:
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/2be7acd3baae059a8128166d12899256ab1d9ee4/c=0-8-249-340/local/-/media/2018/07/18/SiouxFalls/SiouxFalls/636675371838519171-Paul-Erickson-Photo.jpg
:lol

lol yep. And many more

[djohn2oo8]

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lol already cooperating eh? We gonna need them names guhhh

[djohn2oo8]

1072268875960672262


lawdy

[djohn2oo8]

1072268969153847297

[djohn2oo8]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/47683805_2682103221815008_992971927456841728_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=709234d597cf163163f873515070f231&oe=5CA13046

[Chris]

Junior is on the docket now? Call your shot.

[Pavlov]

Junior is on the docket now? Call your shot.Well, he probably has more questions to answer.

Wonder if he'll lie about talking to these Russians too....

[djohn2oo8]

And during an FBI raid of Erickson’s South Dakota home, investigators discovered a handwritten note suggesting Erickson may have been aware of a possible job offer from Russian intelligence services: “How to respond to FSB offer of employment?”

[djohn2oo8]

Well, he probably has more questions to answer.

Wonder if he'll lie about talking to these Russians too....
Well there’s a picture of him and Butina together :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Erickson: “I’ve been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [unnamed political party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [unnamed gun-rights organization].”


lol Erickson
lol NRA
Lol GOP

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1072181088720609281

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1072181088720609281Gowdy wasn't good enough?

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Gowdy wasn't good enough?

:lol
:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

Erickson: “I’ve been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [unnamed political party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [unnamed gun-rights organization].”


lol Erickson
lol NRA
Lol GOP Pavlov

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072166096990556160
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072166461001621504
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072166797389062145
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072167418447966208
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072168901188960261

[djohn2oo8]

NRA admits moving money from accounts with foreign donations to US campaign accounts


The National Rifle Association acknowledged this week that it has moved money from accounts with foreign donation to accounts that are used for spending on U.S. political campaigns. The organization insists the transactions are “permitted by law.”

“we do receive some contributions from foreign individuals and entities,” but it also insisted that “those contributions are made directly to the NRA for lawful purposes.”

“the movement of its money between accounts could make it difficult, if not impossible, to track how the money is spent since it is not isolated or sequestered.”

it acknowledged that some of the money in accounts containing foreign donations is moved into accounts used to fund political campaigns in the U.S. But the NRA insisted that the “transfers between accounts are made as permitted by law.”
“The NRA did not immediately respond to a request from NPR to disclose the total sum of its donations from foreign sources,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/nra-admits-moving-money-accounts-foreign-donations-us-campaign-accounts/

So Pootin has compromised hyper-patriot NRA? :lol

Why would foreigners give money to NRA?



Yup and it’s becoming public

[Pavlov]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072166096990556160
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072166461001621504
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072166797389062145
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072167418447966208
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072168901188960261lol the "collusion" thing is all spin.

He explicitly said there is no legal definition for collusion and conspiracy is the proper legal term.

That alone makes the entire TLDR worthless.

[djohn2oo8]

lol the "collusion" thing is all spin.

He explicitly said there is no legal definition for collusion and conspiracy is the proper legal term.

That alone makes the entire TLDR worthless.
Lol Chris

[djohn2oo8]

lol @ anyone who thinks Trump will see jail time for a campaign finance violation. You people are delusional.
Where is his exoneration letter? :rollin

[Chris]

Comey's attorney says Comey has a photographic memory. :rollin

[Pavlov]

Comey's attorney says Comey has a photographic memory. :rollinLink to a quote, Chris?

[djohn2oo8]

Comey's attorney says Comey has a photographic memory. :rollin
Neither Comey or Hillary will be charged Chris.

[Chris]

:cry hold my hand please :cry

[Pavlov]

:cryI'm afraid of simple questions!:cryDo you have a link or not?

The only quotes I can find are not from his lawyer.

[djohn2oo8]

Where is the link Chris?

[Winehole23]

on occasion, Chris acts like a reasonable human being

[Chris]

Mateja, who served as special counsel to Comey when he was the deputy attorney general, added: “One thing I know about Jim Comey is that he has a phonographic and a photographic memory. Everything he hears and everything he sees, he remembers, but I think that he felt compelled to do that given the situation.”

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/comey-testimony-why-fmr-fbi-director-was-compelled-to-document-trump-dealings

[Winehole23]

thanks, Chris

[djohn2oo8]

So he’s not Comey’s attorney now. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

1072248904744341506

[Pavlov]

:cryYeah, that's the one I found.

Where is the one from his attorney?

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah, that's the one I found.

Where is the one from his attorney?
:lol

[Chris]

Dumb and dumber grasping at straws^ :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1072288316618358784

Corsi

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1072288316618358784

Corsi
Tick tock.

The Unraveling

[djohn2oo8]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1072288316618358784

Corsi
Oh is this like the prediction Judge Ellis would dismiss Manafort’s conviction? :rollin

[Pavlov]

Dumb and dumber grasping at straws^ :lolHe wasn't Comey's lawyer at all, Chris.

He was Special Counsel for Health Care Fraud.

[Spurs Homer]

Listened to that lengthy Nicole Wallace/James Comey interview (from yesterday 12/9/18) and although old news - looking at this info Comey provided looks even more disgusting today;

Comey described how - on back to back days - he and other chiefs of US intelligence held briefings
first with Obama and the next day with Trump team. (two wks before Trumps inauguration)

Obama listened intently at being told that Russia had attacked our country's election. Obama asked many questions and was extremely worried about the effect on the country and the steps needed to respond to Russia's aggression. Obama sent a top level official to brief the gang of 8 -Dems/Repugs and asked that we forget about partisanship and just present a united front as AMERICANS. Obama was intent on showing Russia and the American people that -yes you attacked us and tried to divide - but we are all Americans and are united in this response.
Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell flatly refused to go along. They left Obama hanging out to dry.


The next day the same group of Intel heads did the same briefing at Trump tower with Trump team and Comey was dumbstruck at their reaction;
1) not ONE question about Russia's attack, their methods, their tactics
2) not ONE suggestion, not ONE question on how to respond, no outrage, nothing on russia's aggression and absolutely no concern for our country
3) immediately - the talk turned to "how to spin this news to our advantage" by team Trump - Comey knew right then that something was not right
- he knew that no one on team Trump was surprised at the news and they only cared about creating a narrative to tell the American people - a false narrative at that.


I had already heard most of this but as we now consider the Moscow Trump Tower/Putin Penthouse/Russian sanctions/Helsinki/ events -
we can see how from day one - this fraud was already compromised and was not on America's team but was already a Russian asset.

Someday movies will be made about all this and it will be quite interesting to share with others of where you were in this historical American treason tale and what will you tell your kids/grandkids about why you chose the side you did.
Did you really stand with the US? Did you really not care that an enemy country owned your president and you defended his treason?
Did you really forget so easily the lessons that this country learned during World Wars and why were you so easily willing to jump teams because someone sold you a bill of goods by attacking all the boogeymen you already hated like brown people, black people, immigrants, gays, etc?

Did you jump on the criminal team of liars and also attack honorable law enforcement/justice department career men & women when it was painfully obvious that the ONLY reason that the FBI/CIA/NSA suddenly became corrupt was because the criminals told you they were to spin their false narrative and deflect from their crimes?

[spurraider21]

recap:

Chris - comey's attorney says x
ST - prove it
Chris - :cry hold my hand :cry
ST - no seriously, prove it
Chris - [quote from somebody not comey's attorney saying x]
ST - so thats not his lawyer
Chris - LOL GRASPING STRAWS

[Winehole23]

Erickson: “I’ve been involved in securing a VERY private line of communication between the Kremlin and key [unnamed political party] leaders through, of all conduits, the [unnamed gun-rights organization].”


lol Erickson
lol NRA
Lol GOP1072307141602668546

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072278792566120448
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072279762104672257
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072280676555214848
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072281662095048704
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072282653288775680
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072283690925989894
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072284425608708102
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072285353380364288
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072286054256967680
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072286686065975296
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072287534175191040
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072288514379780101
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072289472845365248
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072290591688613889
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072291635680161792
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072292539980484608
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072293579836571649
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1072294468693434368

[Pavlov]

:rollin Stealth Jeff:rollin

[spurraider21]

has that guy been right about anything relating to investigations/indictments/proceedings? at all?

also are we expecting the IG report on the FISA stuff anytime soon?

[Chris]

has that guy been right about anything relating to investigations/indictments/proceedings? at all?

also are we expecting the IG report on the FISA stuff anytime soon?

"FISA stuff" = Spygate...so to answer your question, yes.

[Pavlov]

"FISA stuff" = Spygate...so to answer your question, yes.Has Stealth Jeff ever been right about anything?

I mean besides being right about Stealth Jeff of course....

[Chris]

Even Trump knows Comey is in deep

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072317149723717632

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/OfficeOfMike/status/1072322496924286976

[Pavlov]

Even Trump knows Comey is in deep

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072317149723717632So did the FISA judge.

lol another nothingburger

[djohn2oo8]

Even Trump knows Comey is in deep

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072317149723717632
1072318860219559936

Trump knows Trump is in deep

[spurraider21]

"FISA stuff" = Spygate...so to answer your question, yes.
:lol "spygate"

here is the IG's announcement back in march

https://oig.justice.gov/press/2018/2018-03-28b.pdf

[Chris]

1072318860219559936

Trump knows Trump is in deep

Good luck getting the Senate to sign off on that :lol

Nothing will happen, but you will spin your wheels regardless.