Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Winehole23]

I think Pizzagate is bullshit.

There you go.I think Russiagate is mostly bullshit -- if properly predicated (traditionally wide latitude is given in this area with non-high status people) -- but I dont understand why so many Trump cronies pleaded guilty to stuff they didn't do.

Can you explain?

[DarrinS]

It's like Whinehole doesn't understand that the FBI can destroy people's lives.

[TSA]

Why did so many plead guilty if they did nothing wrong?

Which one’s plead guilty to any sort of conspiracy with Russia during the election?

[DarrinS]

If I had to bet, I say nothing happens to all the people who orchestrated this bullshit. It's way too embarrassing and would make people lose confidence in these "fine" institutions.

[ChumpDumper]

If I had to bet, I say nothing happens to all the people who orchestrated this bullshit. It's way too embarrassing and would make people lose confidence in these "fine" institutions.Probably because they didn't do anything illegal.

[Winehole23]

It's like Whinehole doesn't understand that the FBI can destroy people's lives.Here it was done, as it usually is, with count stacking and coercive pleading -- something that isn't generally complained about unless the target is a politician. If it was anyone else, any of the other thousands of people chewed up by federal law enforcement, you wouldn't have shit to say about it. In fact, you'd probably encourage it. Like with all the patsies and losers the FBI groomed to inflate the terrorist threat from 2001 on.

But it happens to your politician and you scream.

[DarrinS]

Here it was done, as it usually is with count stacking and coercive pleading -- something that isn't generally complained about unless the target is a politician. If it was anyone else, any of the other thousands of people chewed up by federal law enforcement, you wouldn't have shit to say about it. In fact, you'd probably encourage it. Like with all the patsies and losers the FBI groomed to inflate the terrorist threat from 2001 on.

Vitriolic much?

[Winehole23]

Vitriolic much?No vitriol, that's a description.

I notice you have no substantive reply to my question yet, do you want to add anything?

[Spurminator]

I think Pizzagate is bullshit.

There you go.

Congrats! Big step for you. Next step is to register a semblance of skepticism while a GOP-favorable conspiracy theory is still fresh.

[DarrinS]

Congrats! Big step for you. Next step is to register a semblance of skepticism while a GOP-favorable conspiracy theory is still fresh.

Which one is that?

[Winehole23]

I was hoping someone ud talk about coercive pleading and count stacking, but apparently conservatives only care about that when it touches one of their own.

[TSA]

I was hoping someone ud talk about coercive pleading and count stacking, but apparently conservatives only care about that when it touches one of their own.

I was hoping you’d answer my question of which one’s plead guilty to any sort of conspiracy with Russia during the election?

I was also hoping you’d talk about the latest declassified documents released showing not only the FBI but also the Special Counsel Office deliberately misled the Senate Intelligence Committee concerning the Steele dossier.

[Winehole23]

Your hobby horse not mine, go for it ,TSA!

[Winehole23]

Extra points for laying it out in your own words-- you sometimes hide behind a wall of tweet and disclaim it when embarrassed.

just happened a minute ago in fact.

[TSA]

Your hobby horse not mine, go for it ,TSA!

You brought up the guilty pleas multiple times and now don’t want to answer a simple question about them :lol

[Winehole23]

You brought up the guilty pleas multiple times and now don’t want to answer a simple question about them :lolThe answer is zero. There have been no conspiracy convictions. Harping on this is a deflection.

If there was nothing to hide and no reason to lie, why did so many people lie to investigators?

[TSA]

The answer is zero. There have been no conspiracy convictions. Harping on this is a deflection.

If there was nothing to hide and no reason to lie, why did so many people lie to investigators?

Begging others to discuss some convictions that had nothing to do with the Russian conspiracy ITT is the true deflection here.

[ChumpDumper]

Somehow an administration rife with criminal convictions should never have been investigated in the first place.

[Spurs Homer]

TSA is the reason why Con men are successful at conning idiots over and over and over.



:lol:lol

[ChumpDumper]

TSA is the reason why Con men are successful at conning idiots over and over and over.



:lol:lol:lol no shit.

How anyone could think that a grifter with multiple failures in fairly obvious money laundering operations would suddenly be a straight arrow crusader for law and justice is beyond any logic.

[Spurs Homer]

:lol no shit.

How anyone could think that a grifter with multiple failures in fairly obvious money laundering operations would suddenly be a straight arrow crusader for law and justice is beyond any logic.


You could find multiple flags;

how could someone who cheated every person who trusted him - wives, contractors, business associates, IRS, etc...

suddenly become someone who would faithfully work for his voters and become an honest broker?

how could someone who lies every time his sewer opens - suddenly be truthful about his russia ties, his corruption, his criminality - just to satisfy his suckers - er I mean supporters?

[Winehole23]

Begging others to discuss some convictions that had nothing to do with the Russian conspiracy ITT is the true deflection here.I asked you.

You won't address the lying, so keep on doing backflips for Trump. :tu

[TSA]

I asked you.

You won't address the lying, so keep on doing backflips for Trump. :tu

You asked 4 times on 1 page...begging.

I skipped your question because it has nothing to do with illegally conspiring with Russia and it’s a pathetic attempt to deflect.

You’re in a thread about “Russiagate”, why don’t you want to talk anymore about recent revelations of the FBI lying to not only the FISA court but now congress as well?

[TSA]

You could find multiple flags;

how could someone who cheated every person who trusted him - wives, contractors, business associates, IRS, etc...

suddenly become someone who would faithfully work for his voters and become an honest broker?

how could someone who lies every time his sewer opens - suddenly be truthful about his russia ties, his corruption, his criminality - just to satisfy his suckers - er I mean supporters?

You just hate to see it

1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."

3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."

4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."

5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."

6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."

7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1292957600364077056

The Comey chuckle :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lolAN

[Spurs Homer]

Putin instructed Trump ^ to plant his own propaganda outlet - which is directly connected to RT//Kremlin


to ask him the questions which will allow him to spew russian propaganda

right on cue- OAN/RT/RUSSIA - getting the last question so the putin puppet can do a russian public service infomercial


and idiots like TSA cheer russia on!

[boutons_deux]

U.S. Intelligence Says Republicans Are Working With Russia to Reelect Trump

William Evanina, director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center,

he followed (https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2139-statement-by-ncsc-director-william-evanina-election-threat-update-for-the-american-public) up with a more direct and incriminating one, specifically warning that

Russia (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/report-parnas-russia-ukraine-trump-impeachment-giuliani-money.html) is working to help reelect Donald Trump. Even more important is what this warning unmistakably implies:

that Trump and his Republican allies in Congress are actively cooperating with Russia’s campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/russia-ukraine-trump-biden-intelligence-foreign-interference-election.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/russia-ukraine-trump-biden-intelligence-foreign-interference-election.html?fbclid=IwAR0cB0KgCvCPYwKzxy50lamhlc1 7qX8O7BbiKSRWILw4XIQGbWOMocy31BU)

Deja Vu. 2016 All Over Again

[Spurs Homer]

U.S. Intelligence Says Republicans Are Working With Russia to Reelect Trump

William Evanina, director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center,

he followed (https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2139-statement-by-ncsc-director-william-evanina-election-threat-update-for-the-american-public) up with a more direct and incriminating one, specifically warning that

Russia (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/report-parnas-russia-ukraine-trump-impeachment-giuliani-money.html) is working to help reelect Donald Trump. Even more important is what this warning unmistakably implies:

that Trump and his Republican allies in Congress are actively cooperating with Russia’s campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/russia-ukraine-trump-biden-intelligence-foreign-interference-election.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/russia-ukraine-trump-biden-intelligence-foreign-interference-election.html?fbclid=IwAR0cB0KgCvCPYwKzxy50lamhlc1 7qX8O7BbiKSRWILw4XIQGbWOMocy31BU)

Deja Vu. 2016 All Over Again



NO

Its worse...

in 2016- repukes were acting as if russia interference was not happening- was a hoax

in 2020 - sen Johnson and GrASSley- are on the official Russian payroll along with trump and are openly receiving russian propagganda from Derkach - a russian spy


ask comrade TSA if he is ok with Russian spies colluding conspiring with derkach- the spy?

maybe he will respond with more russian talking points?

[Spurs Homer]

Flynns lawyer tapdancing and juggling before the DC court of appeals

begging as well


to look the other way and allow Barr/Trump to shit on the justice system and the US Constitution...


on CSpan rt now....(0952 hrs)

[boutons_deux]

Trump viciously lashes out at intel chiefs after Bolton spills about his love for Putin

On Tuesday morning, President Trump lashed out at the

leaders of our intelligence community who sought to unveil his connections and his disturbing affinity for Russia’s autocrat, Vladimir Putin.

He appears to have been responding to a new Business Insider interview (https://www.businessinsider.com/exclusive-interview-john-bolton-trump-impeachment-election-coronavirus-2020-8) with Trump’s own former National Security Advisor and unindicted war criminal

John Bolton in which he described the lengthy efforts to which he and other cabinet members had to go in order to explain why Trump’s friendliness with Putin was upsetting people.

“I was sitting in the audience with Chief of Staff John Kelly, and we were both frozen to our chairs…

We couldn’t believe what we had heard.

And we spent a good part of the flight on Air Force One back to Washington

trying to explain to the president why he was getting such a negative reaction from the press back in Washington.

The president didn’t seem to understand that people might be upset that he equated what Putin said with what our intelligence community said,” said Bolton to BI.

In predictable fashion, the President took to Twitter and began childishly disparaging the people he doesn’t like in an attempt to defuse Bolton’s words —

but can’t help but prove their point with a strawman argument that only makes him appear more guilty.

In the same sentence that he denies being friendly with Putin,

he trashes America’s former intelligence chiefs as “dirty cops” and “sleazebags”

and takes aim at the leaders of the investigations that would eventually lead to the Mueller Report and

the definitive proof that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Trump.

https://occupydemocrats.com/2020/08/11/trump-viciously-lashes-out-at-intel-chiefs-after-bolton-spills-about-his-love-for-putin/?fbclid=IwAR2FRKJonUAMCAyMzDShGzrPClDOMGrdVMBV2znQ PVqUckfVHuP1TFfDYco (https://occupydemocrats.com/2020/08/11/trump-viciously-lashes-out-at-intel-chiefs-after-bolton-spills-about-his-love-for-putin/?fbclid=IwAR2FRKJonUAMCAyMzDShGzrPClDOMGrdVMBV2znQ PVqUckfVHuP1TFfDYco)

[TSA]

U.S. Intelligence Says Republicans Are Working With Russia to Reelect Trump

William Evanina, director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center,

he followed (https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/item/2139-statement-by-ncsc-director-william-evanina-election-threat-update-for-the-american-public) up with a more direct and incriminating one, specifically warning that

Russia (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/report-parnas-russia-ukraine-trump-impeachment-giuliani-money.html) is working to help reelect Donald Trump. Even more important is what this warning unmistakably implies:

that Trump and his Republican allies in Congress are actively cooperating with Russia’s campaign.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/russia-ukraine-trump-biden-intelligence-foreign-interference-election.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/russia-ukraine-trump-biden-intelligence-foreign-interference-election.html?fbclid=IwAR0cB0KgCvCPYwKzxy50lamhlc1 7qX8O7BbiKSRWILw4XIQGbWOMocy31BU)

Deja Vu. 2016 All Over Again



You're right, it is Deja Vu and 2016 all over again. You stupid fucks are falling for the same fake news shit from the same people.

This was Jonathan Chait's best fiction of 2016..."What if Trump Has Been a Russian Asset Since 1987?" :lmao

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

[ChumpDumper]

Would explain a lot of things tbh.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1293203265291718656

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

[Spurs Homer]

There is ONLY ONE possible way that the last 4 years of the destruction of the USA
makes ANY sense at all

only one.

Trump is doing exactly what he was installed into office to do;

Destroy the USA from within because that is his main mission -

as a loyal Russian employee/agent.


Just look at the US and see how much sense it makes if seen through this lens.

[TSA]

NO

Its worse...

in 2016- repukes were acting as if russia interference was not happening- was a hoax

in 2020 - sen Johnson and GrASSley- are on the official Russian payroll along with trump and are openly receiving russian propagganda from Derkach - a russian spy


ask comrade TSA if he is ok with Russian spies colluding conspiring with derkach- the spy?

maybe he will respond with more russian talking points?I was going to say you're falling for it again but you never stopped :lol

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/johnson-subpoenas-fbi-announces-intention-to-subpoena-others-sends-open-letter-to-recap-scope-goals-of-investigation

On July 20, 2020, reports began surfacing falsely accusing Senator Grassley and me of accepting Russian disinformation in the course of our investigations. The implication was that we were being duped into disseminating derogatory information on former Vice President Biden because Russia does not want to see him become president. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Chairman Schiff, Minority Leader Schumer and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Vice Chair Mark Warner wrote a letter, parroting a letter our ranking members, Sen. Ron Wyden and Sen. Gary Peters, had written to us asking for a classified briefing on these developments.



The only problem with their overblown handwringing is that they all knew full well that we have been briefed repeatedly, and we had already told them that we had NOT received the alleged “Russian disinformation.” The very transparent goal of their own disinformation campaign and feigned concern is to attack our character in order to marginalize the eventual findings of our investigation. They are running the same play, out the same playbook they have been using for the last three and a half years.



What I have provided above is an accurate history, summary and rationale of our investigatory efforts. Everything detailed above is already in the public realm. None of it is Russian disinformation. But it is a stunning description of wrongdoing and corruption that the public has every right to know.



As our investigation continues, more will be uncovered and revealed. As always, almost all of the documents we are seeking and will make public are from U.S. sources. Everything will be carefully verified for accuracy and veracity.



Chairman Grassley and I will not be deterred by the false accusations despicably being made by individuals with strong political biases and motivations. Our investigation has been, and will continue to be, undertaken with the greatest integrity and transparency. We intend to determine and reveal the truth.





An addendum:



On the morning of Saturday, Aug. 8, I noticed an opinion piece in the Washington Post submitted by Sen. Richard Blumenthal. It was headlined: “The threat to U.S. elections is real, and frightening. The public has a right to know.” In addition to my curiosity being peaked by the hyperbolic headline, I was curious to read what “stunning revelations” Senator Blumenthal might provide.



What I found corroborated what I have described above about a coordinated effort to attack me to pre-emptively marginalize the findings of our investigations. This paragraph in particular needs to be responded to:



“On Wednesday, The Post reported that Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, is moving ahead with an investigation into presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s family using documents provided to the senator by the son of a former KGB officer. Johnson’s actions are of such concern to the CIA, according to news reports, that the agency has refused to brief him. Think of it: Congress may become a forum for debunked conspiracy theories peddled by Kremlin proxies.”



Let me first refute the specific false charges.



Senator Blumenthal claimed my committee is “using documents provided to the senator by the son of a former KGB officer.” This is false. Not only have we have repeatedly and publicly denied it, no one has presented evidence to the contrary — nor can they, because there is none.



On July 1, the Washington Post reported false allegations that a Ukrainian named Oleksandr Onyshchenko provided our committee with information. Our Democratic colleagues asked that day if it was true, and we quickly and unequivocally denied it. On July 23, Politico reported that Andrii Derkach provided our committee with information. We immediately and unequivocally denied that. My press team has shared these denials with many reporters. And yet, for nearly a month, these baseless allegations have been repeated. Saturday morning, they were repeated by Senator Blumenthal. Why do the press and Democrats continue to ignore these unequivocal denials? Have they no interest in the truth?



Let me be clear: The investigation by my committee of allegations of conflicts of interest within the Obama administration related to Ukraine policy and of allegations of corruption within the Obama administration affecting the 2016 election is focused on documents and officials from U.S. government agencies and a U.S. Democrat-linked lobbying firm. We have not taken, nor do we possess, the documents from Ukrainians that Democrats keep claiming.



Blumenthal then writes, “Johnson’s actions are of such concern to the CIA, according to news reports, that the agency has refused to brief him.” Not only is this claim false, it is a perfect demonstration of the disinformation technique they are using.



We have been briefed repeatedly on these issues, but because the briefings did not support their preferred narrative, Democrats haven’t liked what they’ve heard. Ranking Member Sen. Gary Peters asked me to arrange yet another intelligence briefing, which I requested from the FBI and CIA. The CIA and FBI responded that they had provided all relevant information. Democrats then moved the goalposts, asking the CIA for yet another briefing on other less relevant questions. The CIA has not responded, and Democrats have not pursued the matter since May.



In addition, note Senator Blumenthal’s use of the term, “according to news reports.” This reveals exactly what is happening here. An “intelligence product” full of false innuendo was produced, classified, and then leaked to the press more than a week before Senator Grassley or I were given access to it. Many in the media dutifully reported this hot tip. Democrats then used the media reports to repeat, distort, and embellish the false charges. Sound familiar?



Now I know exactly how President Trump must have felt when he first heard the false reports contained in the “Steele dossier” and allegations that his campaign colluded with Russia. He knew these narratives were completely false — and now so do we, thanks to the Mueller report — yet they were repeated, distorted, and embellished to create the public demand for that special counsel investigation.



It is neither me, Chairman Grassley, nor our committees that are being used to disseminate Russian disinformation. Instead, it is Democrats and the media that have been doing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s work for him. Puppet masters in the Kremlin could not be more pleased at the political division and discord that has been driven by the resistance movement against President Trump. Remember the tweet only 10 days after President Trump’s inauguration from one of the impeachment whistleblower’s attorneys, Mark Zaid: “#coup has started. First of many steps. #rebellion. #impeachment will follow ultimately. #lawyers”



The left is relentless. They play for keeps, and they don’t let rules or the truth get in their way.



Now many of the same players that engineered a special counsel and impeachment against President Trump are brazenly teaming up again with a different target in mind: me. They are using the same tired old canard of Russian interference. You’d think they could come up with something better than that, but here they are, confident they can pull it off again. And with a compliant media, why wouldn’t they be confident?



Let me be very clear on another point. I have no doubt Russia is continuing its efforts to sow discord and destabilize countries and political systems throughout the world, including here in the U.S. In Congress, I was one of the first to recognize Russia’s menacing activities by holding three hearings related to Russian disinformation and destabilization campaigns as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Europe subcommittee back in 2015. This is how the former Soviet Union behaved, and it should surprise no one that the Russian Federation under the leadership of Putin would engage in the exact same type of behavior. What is surprising is that anyone would view this as some breakthrough revelation. I certainly do not condone it, nor do I lack an understanding of the type of threat this poses to our democracy. As chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, I am well aware of the significant efforts the Department of Homeland Security and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency have undertaken to safeguard our elections. Congress has also appropriated hundreds of millions of dollars and provided grants to the states to counter these threats.



But I also try to put the threat of Russian election interference in proper perspective, to realize we face far greater threats as a nation, and to completely reject Democrats’ successful and repeated efforts at weaponizing persistent Russian meddling to gain political advantage and destroy individual reputations.



The only way I can counter these personal political attacks is to tell the truth and continue to conduct my committee’s investigations with the utmost integrity and transparency. Let me repeat. We will not be deterred by these coordinated and despicably false attacks. We intend to uncover the truth and make it public.

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1293203265291718656So Sullivan should dismiss based on secret information Bob Barr won't even show the judge?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao why can't they show it to the judge?

[TSA]

So Sullivan should dismiss based on secret information Bob Barr won't even show the judge?

Sullivan should have dismissed when the DOJ first told him they were dropping charges.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao ducking the question

[TSA]

There is ONLY ONE possible way that the last 4 years of the destruction of the USA
makes ANY sense at all

only one.

Trump is doing exactly what he was installed into office to do;

Destroy the USA from within because that is his main mission -

as a loyal Russian employee/agent.


Just look at the US and see how much sense it makes if seen through this lens.https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/delta-crescent-energy-syrian-oil-391033

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019

[Spurs Homer]

I was going to say you're falling for it again but you never stopped :lol

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/johnson-subpoenas-fbi-announces-intention-to-subpoena-others-sends-open-letter-to-recap-scope-goals-of-investigation

On July 20, 2020, reports began surfacing falsely accusing Senator Grassley and me of accepting Russian disinformation in the course of our investigations. The implication was that we were being duped into disseminating derogatory information on former Vice President Biden because Russia does not want to see him become president. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Chairman Schiff, Minority Leader Schumer and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Vice Chair Mark Warner wrote a letter, parroting a letter our ranking members, Sen. Ron Wyden and Sen. Gary Peters, had written to us asking for a classified briefing on these developments.



The only problem with their overblown handwringing is that they all knew full well that we have been briefed repeatedly, and we had already told them that we had NOT received the alleged “Russian disinformation.” The very transparent goal of their own disinformation campaign and feigned concern is to attack our character in order to marginalize the eventual findings of our investigation. They are running the same play, out the same playbook they have been using for the last three and a half years.



What I have provided above is an accurate history, summary and rationale of our investigatory efforts. Everything detailed above is already in the public realm. None of it is Russian disinformation. But it is a stunning description of wrongdoing and corruption that the public has every right to know.



As our investigation continues, more will be uncovered and revealed. As always, almost all of the documents we are seeking and will make public are from U.S. sources. Everything will be carefully verified for accuracy and veracity.



Chairman Grassley and I will not be deterred by the false accusations despicably being made by individuals with strong political biases and motivations. Our investigation has been, and will continue to be, undertaken with the greatest integrity and transparency. We intend to determine and reveal the truth.





An addendum:



On the morning of Saturday, Aug. 8, I noticed an opinion piece in the Washington Post submitted by Sen. Richard Blumenthal. It was headlined: “The threat to U.S. elections is real, and frightening. The public has a right to know.” In addition to my curiosity being peaked by the hyperbolic headline, I was curious to read what “stunning revelations” Senator Blumenthal might provide.



What I found corroborated what I have described above about a coordinated effort to attack me to pre-emptively marginalize the findings of our investigations. This paragraph in particular needs to be responded to:



“On Wednesday, The Post reported that Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, is moving ahead with an investigation into presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden’s family using documents provided to the senator by the son of a former KGB officer. Johnson’s actions are of such concern to the CIA, according to news reports, that the agency has refused to brief him. Think of it: Congress may become a forum for debunked conspiracy theories peddled by Kremlin proxies.”



Let me first refute the specific false charges.



Senator Blumenthal claimed my committee is “using documents provided to the senator by the son of a former KGB officer.” This is false. Not only have we have repeatedly and publicly denied it, no one has presented evidence to the contrary — nor can they, because there is none.



On July 1, the Washington Post reported false allegations that a Ukrainian named Oleksandr Onyshchenko provided our committee with information. Our Democratic colleagues asked that day if it was true, and we quickly and unequivocally denied it. On July 23, Politico reported that Andrii Derkach provided our committee with information. We immediately and unequivocally denied that. My press team has shared these denials with many reporters. And yet, for nearly a month, these baseless allegations have been repeated. Saturday morning, they were repeated by Senator Blumenthal. Why do the press and Democrats continue to ignore these unequivocal denials? Have they no interest in the truth?



Let me be clear: The investigation by my committee of allegations of conflicts of interest within the Obama administration related to Ukraine policy and of allegations of corruption within the Obama administration affecting the 2016 election is focused on documents and officials from U.S. government agencies and a U.S. Democrat-linked lobbying firm. We have not taken, nor do we possess, the documents from Ukrainians that Democrats keep claiming.



Blumenthal then writes, “Johnson’s actions are of such concern to the CIA, according to news reports, that the agency has refused to brief him.” Not only is this claim false, it is a perfect demonstration of the disinformation technique they are using.



We have been briefed repeatedly on these issues, but because the briefings did not support their preferred narrative, Democrats haven’t liked what they’ve heard. Ranking Member Sen. Gary Peters asked me to arrange yet another intelligence briefing, which I requested from the FBI and CIA. The CIA and FBI responded that they had provided all relevant information. Democrats then moved the goalposts, asking the CIA for yet another briefing on other less relevant questions. The CIA has not responded, and Democrats have not pursued the matter since May.



In addition, note Senator Blumenthal’s use of the term, “according to news reports.” This reveals exactly what is happening here. An “intelligence product” full of false innuendo was produced, classified, and then leaked to the press more than a week before Senator Grassley or I were given access to it. Many in the media dutifully reported this hot tip. Democrats then used the media reports to repeat, distort, and embellish the false charges. Sound familiar?



Now I know exactly how President Trump must have felt when he first heard the false reports contained in the “Steele dossier” and allegations that his campaign colluded with Russia. He knew these narratives were completely false — and now so do we, thanks to the Mueller report — yet they were repeated, distorted, and embellished to create the public demand for that special counsel investigation.



It is neither me, Chairman Grassley, nor our committees that are being used to disseminate Russian disinformation. Instead, it is Democrats and the media that have been doing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s work for him. Puppet masters in the Kremlin could not be more pleased at the political division and discord that has been driven by the resistance movement against President Trump. Remember the tweet only 10 days after President Trump’s inauguration from one of the impeachment whistleblower’s attorneys, Mark Zaid: “#coup has started. First of many steps. #rebellion. #impeachment will follow ultimately. #lawyers”



The left is relentless. They play for keeps, and they don’t let rules or the truth get in their way.



Now many of the same players that engineered a special counsel and impeachment against President Trump are brazenly teaming up again with a different target in mind: me. They are using the same tired old canard of Russian interference. You’d think they could come up with something better than that, but here they are, confident they can pull it off again. And with a compliant media, why wouldn’t they be confident?



Let me be very clear on another point. I have no doubt Russia is continuing its efforts to sow discord and destabilize countries and political systems throughout the world, including here in the U.S. In Congress, I was one of the first to recognize Russia’s menacing activities by holding three hearings related to Russian disinformation and destabilization campaigns as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Europe subcommittee back in 2015. This is how the former Soviet Union behaved, and it should surprise no one that the Russian Federation under the leadership of Putin would engage in the exact same type of behavior. What is surprising is that anyone would view this as some breakthrough revelation. I certainly do not condone it, nor do I lack an understanding of the type of threat this poses to our democracy. As chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, I am well aware of the significant efforts the Department of Homeland Security and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency have undertaken to safeguard our elections. Congress has also appropriated hundreds of millions of dollars and provided grants to the states to counter these threats.



But I also try to put the threat of Russian election interference in proper perspective, to realize we face far greater threats as a nation, and to completely reject Democrats’ successful and repeated efforts at weaponizing persistent Russian meddling to gain political advantage and destroy individual reputations.



The only way I can counter these personal political attacks is to tell the truth and continue to conduct my committee’s investigations with the utmost integrity and transparency. Let me repeat. We will not be deterred by these coordinated and despicably false attacks. We intend to uncover the truth and make it public.


Idiot

The Trump lackey himself (Evanina)

released the intel and named Johnson and Grassley

but then tried to EQUATE iran and china as also meddling to try and appease trump


usa intel exposed derkach and his colluding with senate republican traitors


Nunes refused to answer during a hearing if HE had received russian propaganda from derkach and from other ukraine/russia spies

[TSA]

Idiot

The Trump lackey himself (Evanina)

released the intel and named Johnson and Grassley

but then tried to EQUATE iran and china as also meddling to try and appease trump


usa intel exposed derkach and his colluding with senate republican traitors


Nunes refused to answer during a hearing if HE had received russian propaganda from derkach and from other ukraine/russia spies

You fall for it time and time again. Going on 4 years now :rollin

[Spurs Homer]

Judge Pillard? : “So - Judge Sullivan has NOT asked you yet to reveal the DOJ/Barr evidence - but you want to dismiss BEFORE he even asks- what if he rules to agree with you and dismiss? You want to dismiss BEFORE he asks- what is the Govt afraid of?

Flynn lawyer: “ohr shit”


lol

[Winehole23]

Sullivan should have dismissed when the DOJ first told him they were dropping charges.By rule, that's at Sullivan's discretion.

It's understandable you'd want Sullivan to dismiss without creating a record of why DOJ wants to dismiss.

Why do you think the DOJ is hiding its cards?

[Spurs Homer]

Lol

comrade pizzagate qanon seth rich TSA

lol’ing at anyone “falling for it”


thats (seth) rich!

[Winehole23]

solid thread

1293179867186569218 (https://twitter.com/jgeltzer/status/1293179867186569218?s=20)

[TSA]

By rule, that's at Sullivan's discretion.

It's understandable you'd want Sullivan to dismiss without creating a record of why DOJ wants to dismiss.

Why do you think the DOJ is hiding its cards?

Ongoing investigation.

[Winehole23]

Ongoing investigation.Why should that prevent Sullivan from merely holding a hearing?

[ChumpDumper]

Ongoing investigation.That's a reason for withholding information from the press, not a judge.

[Winehole23]

That's a reason for withholding information from the press, not a judge.If the DOJ so desires, it can refuse to answer questions at the hearing. If the DOJ doesn't like the ruling, it can appeal.

That's the usual order of battle, right, TSA?

What's problem with Sullivan merely having a hearing?

[boutons_deux]

comrade TSA is a Bannon anarchist acolyte: flooding the zone with shit

[TSA]

If the DOJ so desires, it can refuse to answer questions at the hearing. If the DOJ doesn't like the ruling, it can appeal.

That's the usual order of battle, right, TSA?

What's problem with Sullivan merely having a hearing?

Other than the fact Sullivan is making a circus of this and all about him now I don't have a problem with him merely having a hearing. The case is getting dismissed one way or another.

[ElNono]

1293216015090946049

I don't think the Court is going to like this legal standard... but we'll see...

[TSA]

comrade TSA is a Bannon anarchist acolyte: flooding the zone with shit

You've flooded the zone with so much shit that half the posters here have you on ignore. I don't think I'm on a single ignore list.

[ChumpDumper]

1293216015090946049

I don't think the Court is going to like this legal standard... but we'll see...Wow. Dem backflips for Trump.

[ElNono]

1293206771004252161

[Winehole23]

Other than the fact Sullivan is making a circus of this and all about him now I don't have a problem with him merely having a hearing. if so, this is a tempest in a teapot which raises the question, why is DOJ fighting Sullivan if he's going to grant the dismissal anyway?

[spurraider21]

its an absurd position that basically tries to read "leave of court" out of the code

i mean, the code could have said that a unilateral motion to dismiss would be subject to leave of court, but if done by stipulation of the parties must be granted... but that's not what the code says

[Ef-man]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/03/delta-crescent-energy-syrian-oil-391033

Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019


Attribute source (Jerry Russel) at https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/just-saying-whos-trumping-der-fuhrer.1548/page-47

[Winehole23]

Attribute source (Jerry Russel) at https://postflaviana.org/community/index.php?threads/just-saying-whos-trumping-der-fuhrer.1548/page-47That's one of TSA's bad habits, but he used to be much worse.

[TSA]

That's one of TSA's bad habits, but he used to be much worse.



lol shut the fuck up. That’s not even the source, this is the source. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/01/putin-asks-and-trump-delivers-here-is-a-list-of-all-the-good-things-trump-did-for-russia.html#more

And I’ve linked the source plenty of times when I’ve posted that before.

[TSA]

I asked you.

You won't address the lying, so keep on doing backflips for Trump. :tu

You asked 4 times on 1 page...begging.

I skipped your question because it has nothing to do with illegally conspiring with Russia and it’s a pathetic attempt to deflect.

You’re in a thread about “Russiagate”, why don’t you want to talk anymore about recent revelations of the FBI lying to not only the FISA court but now congress as well?

[Winehole23]

lol shut the fuck up. That’s not even the source, this is the source. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/01/putin-asks-and-trump-delivers-here-is-a-list-of-all-the-good-things-trump-did-for-russia.html#more

And I’ve linked the source plenty of times when I’ve posted that before.
Yeah, after we reminded it it looked like you were posting other's takes as it they were your own.

Used to be your MOD not to give credit, you've improved a lot!

[Winehole23]

You asked 4 times on 1 page...begging.

I skipped your question because it has nothing to do with illegally conspiring with Russia and it’s a pathetic attempt to deflect.

You’re in a thread about “Russiagate”, why don’t you want to talk anymore about recent revelations of the FBI lying to not only the FISA court but now congress as well?lol grudgeposting

[TSA]

Yeah, after we reminded it it looked like you were posting other's takes as it they were your own.

Used to be your MOD not to give credit, you've improved a lot!

You are mistaking me for Chris.

[TSA]

lol grudgeposting

Not at all, just an unanswered recent question in a thread you are currently participating in.

[boutons_deux]

‘Was I unmasked?’:

Trump appears to admit speaking with foreigners being monitored when he was a candidate

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Sergey-Lavrov-and-Donald-Trump.png

President Donald Trump wants to know how many times he was “unmasked” while he was a candidate for the Oval Office

he appears to know now he was talking to foreign individuals who were being monitored – and some would likely want to know who and why.

“we’re talking about unmasking, yes.

That was a big deal. :lol

Horrible deal where they unmasked {Flynn] so many times.” :lol

we’re still looking how many times did they unmask me.

Let’s find that out, too, because look, they were spying on our campaign. :lol

They were using him and others, and

they were spying on my campaign. So was I unmasked?” :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/was-i-unmasked-trump-appears-to-admit-speaking-with-foreigners-being-monitored-when-he-was-a-candidate/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5179

[DMC]

if so, this is a tempest in a teapot which raises the question, why is DOJ fighting Sullivan if he's going to grant the dismissal anyway?

Thank you for using that term instead of "begs the question". It drives me nuts to see "begs the question" used improperly as it is so much these days even by MSM.

[ElNono]

IMO, at this point, Sullivan will probably have his hearing and dismiss the case... the only actual question is if he'll do so without prejudice. That would open the door for re-opening the investigation after an administration change, and do away with double-jeopardy.

[Winehole23]

IMO, at this point, Sullivan will probably have his hearing and dismiss the case... the only actual question is if he'll do so without prejudice. That would open the door for re-opening the investigation after an administration change, and do away with double-jeopardy.Good point.

Maybe that's why the DOJ wants to force Sullivan's hand with no hearing.

[TSA]

lol grudgeposting

lol grudgenoring

You’re in a thread about “Russiagate”, why don’t you want to talk anymore about recent revelations of the FBI lying to not only the FISA court but now congress as well?

[Chris]

welp

https://mobile.twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1292471465502285824

I know the consequences of my speaking out. America is now in a political “UnCivil War” where individuals—even at outlets like The New York Times and Washington Post that profess objective journalism—are personally attacked if their facts don’t fit entrenched narratives. Key politicians and intelligence figures would like the facts surrounding Russiagate’s origins classified and buried for decades, as with past U.S./MI6 intelligence scandals. I can’t let that happen. After all, I inadvertently helped jump-start it. Even if this story is hidden now, it will ultimately impact Trump, Biden, the 2020 election, and our country for years.

There is far too much to tell in a single article. In the next several weeks I plan to reveal what I know, including: the comedy of errors leading to a Cambridge Four member meeting and targeting the FBI’s main surveillance excuse Carter Page; the information given to an FBI source in August 2016 should have immediately ended their investigation alleging Page was a master spy linking top Trump officials to Putin; how a secret anti-Trump source sought one of the world’s most powerful positions that could undermine the president; and official statements by FBI’s Crossfire Hurricane officials to the DOJ Inspector General were factually inaccurate or wildly inconsistent with other evidence, raising the question of if those officials risked criminal prosecution to conceal their acts.

This is not a position I ever sought. As I worked with government investigators it seemed inconceivable that key facts could be covered up until now. Yet with both Flynn’s hearing and the election approaching, whatever the consequences, everyone impacted deserves to know the truth.

"First we fuck Flynn. Then we fuck Trump."

"Insurance policy"

[Winehole23]

lol grudgenoring
All your perfervid accusations against Trump's enemies haven't come to very much so far, we'll see what the future holds when it arrives -- guys like you and Spurs Homer discuss conspiracies as if they were already proven.

[Winehole23]

TSA: If US officers lied to Congress and the courts, they should face consequences.

Investigate 'em all and let the chips fall where they may.

[TSA]

All your perfervid accusations against Trump's enemies haven't come to very much so far, we'll see what the future holds when it arrives -- guys like you and Spurs Homer discuss conspiracies as if they were already proven.

Multiple investigations are still underway, did you expect some sort of pause so they could update the public?

[ElNono]

"First we fuck Flynn. Then we fuck Trump."

"Insurance policy"

:tu

[TSA]

TSA: If US officers lied to Congress and the courts, they should face consequences.

Investigate 'em all and let the chips fall where they may.

There is no “if”. Why is it so difficult for you to just say they lied?

[Winehole23]

Multiple investigations are still underway, did you expect some sort of pause so they could update the public?Not at all, apparently that's your job.

You're the mirror image of the Russiagaters, TSA. You act like ongoing investigations and future prosecutions already prove your even more complex and even harder to prove conspiracy, or that they imminently will.

Same wishcasting tbh.

[Winehole23]

There is no “if”. Why is it so difficult for you to just say they lied?Indefinite pronoun reference, seems to presume judiciable facts.

Are you talking about the guys who were already punished in house, or the guys being investigated?

[ElNono]

If I had a dollar for every investigation that was going to find the 'smoking gun', and be a game-changer...

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1293203265291718656Some context

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As you might imagine, there was a good deal of back-and-forth on this, particularly between the judges and Jeffrey Wall, the acting solicitor general, who argued the case for the Justice Department. This discussion shifted from (a) hypotheticals about how little the government could theoretically get away with disclosing about its reasoning, to (b) how much it had actually disclosed in the Flynn case. Wall made it clear that, whatever might in the abstract be the base level of required disclosure, the Justice Department had gone well above it in Flynn’s case. Here, Judge Sullivan was given a submission arguing that the case should not have been brought in the first place; it posited a legal theory that there was no crime, supported by factual disclosures that were, in turn, backed up by witness statements and other evidence.

As the discussion between Wall and the judges unfolded, a question arose about whether the prosecutor is obliged to tell the court all of its reasons for dropping a case, or if it is sufficient to impart just enough information to satisfy the court that the dismissal is not sought for an improper purpose. (The Justice Department argues that the court’s inquiry into improper purpose is limited to ensuring that the defendant agrees with the dismissal.) In explaining why there is no requirement to tell the court everything the prosecutor knows, Wall pointed out that very often the prosecutor will be aware of information from the investigation that might inform the decision to dismiss but that, for a host of good reasons, should not be disclosed.

In this vein, Wall added, it was entirely possible that Attorney General Barr might be aware of non-public information from the Flynn investigation and related investigations that should not be publicized, and that there would be no need to reveal it because the court had already been given more than enough information to be satisfied that the dismissal motion was proper.

In context, Wall seemed to be speaking theoretically, not based on personal knowledge of the investigations and what the attorney general knows about them. That’s not just the way I heard it; the judges plainly heard it the same way because there was no follow-up. It was a point worthy of making, but not one that called for probing.

Wall was not saying that Barr was in possession of or had relied on “secret information” that is being withheld from Judge Sullivan. Nor was he saying Barr had no such information, as it would be normal to have it. In fact, Wall did not seem to have the Flynn case in mind at all. He was in the position of the Justice Department’s lawyer looking out for the institutional interests of prosecutors. It is commonplace for prosecutors to be aware of non-public information that is not disclosed in relevant court proceedings — maybe it’s grand-jury material, maybe disclosure would compromise an informant, maybe revealing it would hurt investigators’ ability to conduct effective interviews of witnesses, etc.
2

None of this is similar. There are well-known rules of the road. Prosecutors must disclose exculpatory information. And there is a duty of candor toward the tribunal. If a prosecutor makes a statement that could be misleading if other information is not disclosed, then that information must be disclosed. If a judge asks a question, the prosecutor must either answer it or inform the judge that the government declines to answer it — the court must not be placed under a misimpression. But all that said, the prosecutor simply needs to show that his reasoning satisfied any legal requirement, not to disclose every fact that informed his reasoning.

All the acting solicitor general was saying is that there is no legal obligation to inform the court of everything the prosecutor knows. He was not signaling that there is some explosive secret information somehow bearing on the Flynn dismissal motion that has been withheld from Judge Sullivan.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/no-the-solicitor-general-did-not-say-ag-barr-had-secret-information-that-led-to-flynn-dismissal/

[TSA]

Indefinite pronoun reference, seems to presume judiciable facts.

Are you talking about the guys who were already punished in house, or the guys being investigated?

Both.

[Winehole23]

Both.Fine.

Let the chips fall. I have no problem with people who lie to investigators and courts getting punished.

That's a big difference between you and me, you protect the liars on your side.

Lol GOP situarional ethics.

[TSA]

Fine.

Let the chips fall. I have no problem with people who lie to investigators and courts getting punished.

That's a big difference between you and me, you protect the liars on your side.

Lol GOP situarional ethics.

Who are you claiming I'm protecting?

Do you think a private citizen lying to the FBI and the FBI lying to the FISA court are on the same level of seriousness?

[Winehole23]

Who are you claiming I'm protecting?Every single Republican discussed ITT who confessed to lying and got convicted, for starters.


Do you think a private citizen lying to the FBI and the FBI lying to the FISA court are on the same level of seriousness?I think it's ok to hold US officers and LE to a higher standard of integrity; interfering with court proceedings as opposed to LE investigations intuitively seems worse to me, but have no idea what the relative schedule of punishments is.

A felony is a felony is a felony, right?

[TSA]

Every single Republican discussed ITT who confessed to lying and got convicted, for starters.Papadapolous? Never did.
Manafort? Never did.
Gates? Never did.
Cohen? Never did.

You're full of shit.


I think it's ok to hold US officers and LE to a higher standard of integrity; interfering with court proceedings as opposed to LE investigations intuitively seems worse to me, but have no idea what the relative schedule of punishments is.

A felony is a felony is a felony, right?Felonies are grouped in classes for a reason.

[spurraider21]

Papadapolous? Never did.
Manafort? Never did.
Gates? Never did.
Cohen? Never did.

You're full of shit.

Felonies are grouped in classes for a reason.
papadapolous and gates both pleaded guilty to making false statements to federal investigators

while manafort was never charged for it, his initial plea deal was invalidated because he lied to investigators

[Winehole23]

Papadapolous? Never did.
Manafort? Never did.
Gates? Never did.
Cohen? Never did.

You're full of shit.
Thanks for underscoring my point that you reflexively defend Red Team lies -- even when they are admitted and pursued to legal certainty. :tu

[TSA]

Thanks for underscoring my point that you reflexively defend Red Team lies -- even when they are admitted and pursued to legal certainty. :tu

You misunderstood. Never did, as in I never "protected" them as you claimed. Like I said earlier, you're full of shit. :bobo

[ChumpDumper]

TSA forgets the entire semen shield operation he mounted about Papadapolous' being framed by Undercover Mifsud.

[spurraider21]

You misunderstood. Never did, as in I never "protected" them as you claimed. Like I said earlier, you're full of shit. :bobo
i misunderstood your point as well (though i still disagree with this one), so disregard my previous post above

[Winehole23]

You misunderstood. Never did, as in I never "protected" them as you claimed. Like I said earlier, you're full of shit. :boboMy bad if you haven't defended the whole list of people just mentioned, but you certainly have gone out of your way to minimize their lies, and you've proposed a number of conspiratorial theories that strongly suggest admitted liars aren't really liars.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/jon_rauch/status/1293543325191086080

This Brookings shill own goaled himself as hard as Winehole did in thinking this review was on the Carter Page FISA's :lol

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/jon_rauch/status/1293543325191086080

This Brookings shill own goaled himself as hard as Winehole did in thinking this review was on the Carter Page FISA's :lolWhich FISA orders are at issue here?

No shame in making a mistake, I'll gladly accept correction if I've goofed. How do you know Gates isn't one of the "US persons"covered -- looks like all the names and cases are redacted in the report. These weren't the Woods procedures you complained about for so long ITT?

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7013140/NSD-Review-of-Woods-Procedures-IGAudit.pdf

[TSA]

My bad if you haven't defended the whole list of people just mentioned, but you certainly have gone out of your way to minimize their lies, and you've proposed a number of conspiratorial theories that strongly suggest admitted liars aren't really liars.

Show me where I went out of my way to minimize their lies. And show me the number of conspiratorial theories that strongly suggest admitted liars aren't really liars. I did say and show Mifsud was linked to Western Intelligence, not Russian Intelligence, but that is in no way minimizing any lie from Papadapolous.

[Winehole23]

Show me where I went out of my way to minimize their lies. And show me the number of conspiratorial theories that strongly suggest admitted liars aren't really liars. I did say and show Mifsud was linked to Western Intelligence, not Russian Intelligence, but that is in no way minimizing any lie from Papadapolous.Pass, searching is disabled.

Happy to revisit for a bit when it's restored.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Undercover Mifsud

[TSA]

Which FISA orders are at issue here?

No shame in making a mistake, I'll gladly accept correction if I've goofed. How do you know Gates isn't one of the "US persons"covered -- looks like all the names and cases are redacted in the report. These weren't the Woods procedures you complained about for so long ITT?

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/7013140/NSD-Review-of-Woods-Procedures-IGAudit.pdf

This review was asked for by the FISC after the OIG report revealed 17 material omissions/errors in the Carter Page application. It doesn't matter if Gates is one of the US persons covered in the following review of 29 applications. It's the Carter Page application that matters. 2 of the 4 applications on Carter Page were ruled invalid because of the material omissions/errors.

https://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/FISC%20Declassifed%20Order%2016-1182%2017-52%2017-375%2017-679%20%20200123.pdf

None of the applications out of 29 were ruled invalid because of material omissions/errors and there were only two total material omissions/errors.

"In a filing to the FISC on July 29 concluding the report, the Justice Department stated that of hundreds of facts contained in the 29 FISA applications reviewed by the inspector general’s office, one was a material misstatement and one a material omission. In the department’s view, neither material error invalidated the authorizations granted by the FISC to carry out surveillance, although the report acknowledged that that determination was ultimately up to the FISC."

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-completes-review-errors-fisa-applications

Do you now see how why the Carter Page application was so much worse and how you own goaled yourself touting the 29 application review as some sort of vindication for the FBI? :lol The material omissions/errors in the Carter Page application were not standard practice for the FBI in the least bit.

[Winehole23]

Sure, thanks for clarifying.

[ChumpDumper]

Wait, two Page FISA applications were totally legit?

Wow.

[TSA]

Sure, thanks for clarifying.:bobo

You can see now why I am still interested in the ongoing investigations and have repeatedly asked why you aren't.

[Winehole23]

:bobo

You can see now why I am still interested in the ongoing investigations and have repeatedly asked why you aren't.Not my hobby horse. Also, pretty sure I'll see whatever you post here.

Obamagate is an even more improbable and outlandish conspiracy theory than Russiagate imo.

That said, I'm cool with whatever the open investigations turn up, and with whatever they recommend.

Can you bring us up to date on the open investigations?

[TSA]

Not my hobby horse. Also, pretty sure I'll see whatever you post here.

Obamagate is an even more improbable and outlandish conspiracy theory than Russiagate imo.

That said, I'm cool with whatever the open investigations turn up, and with whatever they recommend.

Can you bring us up to date on the open investigations?

I'll keep you up to date on what I find when I find it.

What do you define Obamagate as being?

[Winehole23]

I'll keep you up to date on what I find when I find it.
2
What do you define Obamagate as being?Politically motivated surveillance/entrapment of Trump and Trump associates, directed by Obama/HRC without any good faith basis, roughly.

Happy to consider any details you'd like to add.

[Spurs Homer]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol


comrade TSA revealing what a piece of shit liar and complicit traitor he is ...


now he wants to back-pedal and pretend he hasn't been a russian asset for years...


:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Winehole23]

I'll keep you up to date on what I find when I find it.Thanks.

Perhaps my question wasn't clear. What are the notable open investigations and who's being investigated?

[Winehole23]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol


comrade TSA revealing what a piece of shit liar and complicit traitor he is ...


now he wants to back-pedal and pretend he hasn't been a russian asset for years...


:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lolST subforum posting seems rather a lowly form of service to a foreign country, is it possible TSA just disagrees with you?

[TSA]

Thanks.

Perhaps my question wasn't clear. What are the notable open investigations and who's being investigated?

DOJ/FBI investigating all four of the Carter Page applications per FISC direction.

US Attorney Jensen is/was investigating Flynn investigation.

US Attorney Bash is investigating the unmasking requests.

US Attorney Durham is investigating both the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the Trump campaign during 2016.

Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Rice, and a bunch of other lesser unknown names to me would all fall under one or all three of these investigations.

[ElNono]

DOJ/FBI investigating all four of the Carter Page applications per FISC direction.

US Attorney Jensen is/was investigating Flynn investigation.

US Attorney Bash is investigating the unmasking requests.

US Attorney Durham is investigating both the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the Trump campaign during 2016.

Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Rice, and a bunch of other lesser unknown names to me would all fall under one or all three of these investigations.

But you don't know that they are being investigated, you're just guessing here, correct?

[Spurs Homer]

ST subforum posting seems rather a lowly form of service to a foreign country, is it possible TSA just disagrees with you?


A foreign power and enemy of the USA attacked our democracy = FACT.
The guy that Russia helped put in office - 4 years later- has NEVER uttered ONE word about this attack. He did take the attackers side and aided and abetted them = FACT.

TSA has spent 4 years doing the exact same thing. His posting of Russian propaganda and pretending that this attack was somehow a hoax and that investigating this attack was somehow equivalent to the trump traitors accepting Russian help and betraying our country?

Yeah - I am certain that TSA disagrees with me - because he does not give one shit about the USA, its democracy, its people or anything that threatens his adoration and worship of this treasonous administration.

[TSA]

But you don't know that they are being investigated, you're just guessing here, correct?

Not really just guessing, every other publicly known investigation was announced as being over and completed and these have not been announced as over and completed, unless something has changed and DOJ is no longer notifying the public.
Technically some of them could have already been investigated and the investigation is still open if you're looking for a gotcha I guess.

[TSA]

A foreign power and enemy of the USA attacked our democracy = FACT.
The guy that Russia helped put in office - 4 years later- has NEVER uttered ONE word about this attack. He did take the attackers side and aided and abetted them = FACT.

TSA has spent 4 years doing the exact same thing. His posting of Russian propaganda and pretending that this attack was somehow a hoax and that investigating this attack was somehow equivalent to the trump traitors accepting Russian help and betraying our country?

Yeah - I am certain that TSA disagrees with me - because he does not give one shit about the USA, its democracy, its people or anything that threatens his adoration and worship of this treasonous administration.

The Russian troll farm lol "attack" was never a hoax. The hoax was that Trump and his campaign illegally conspired with Russia during the election. Your God Mueller slapped the hoax down. The misinformation and outright lies that were spread by the leaks from the FBI/DOJ and knowingly reported by the MSM as truth were far more damaging to our democracy than anything the Russian troll farm came up with on Facebook. You helped Putin achieve his goal of chaos more than you'll ever admit, you Russian fucking puppet.

[Spurs Homer]

The Russian troll farm lol "attack" was never a hoax. The hoax was that Trump and his campaign illegally conspired with Russia during the election. Your God Mueller slapped the hoax down. The misinformation and outright lies that were spread by the leaks from the FBI/DOJ and knowingly reported by the MSM as truth were far more damaging to our democracy than anything the Russian troll farm came up with on Facebook. You helped Putin achieve his goal of chaos more than you'll ever admit, you Russian fucking puppet.


Trump traitors WILLINGLY ACCEPTED the foreign help and aided and abetted them to get into office.

This is unacceptable to any patriotic american.

If your family was kidnapped raped and beaten - YOU would probably say
”hey - sure my wife and daughter were raped- BUT they were NOT SODOMIZED

- so ALL’S GOOD!”


you fucking disgusting traitor


your hero betrayed the country and is working for russia and all you can do is try to minimize and equivocate just because you think being on team RED

is more important than being an American.


Fuck you Jonathan.

[TSA]

Trump traitors WILLINGLY ACCEPTED the foreign help and aided and abetted them to get into office.

This is unacceptable to any patriotic american.

If your family was kidnapped raped and beaten - YOU would probably say
”hey - sure my wife and daughter were raped- BUT they were NOT SODOMIZED

- so ALL’S GOOD!”


you fucking disgusting traitor


your hero betrayed the country and is working for russia and all you can do is try to minimize and equivocate just because you think being on team RED

is more important than being an American.


Fuck you Jonathan.

If Trump was working for Russia why did the US just complete a secret deal behind Assad's back to secure oil with the Kurds?

And who the fuck is Jonathan? :lol

[Winehole23]

A foreign power and enemy of the USA attacked our democracy = FACT.
The guy that Russia helped put in office - 4 years later- has NEVER uttered ONE word about this attack. He did take the attackers side and aided and abetted them = FACT.

TSA has spent 4 years doing the exact same thing. His posting of Russian propaganda and pretending that this attack was somehow a hoax and that investigating this attack was somehow equivalent to the trump traitors accepting Russian help and betraying our country?

Yeah - I am certain that TSA disagrees with me - because he does not give one shit about the USA, its democracy, its people or anything that threatens his adoration and worship of this treasonous administration.


The Russian troll farm lol "attack" was never a hoax. The hoax was that Trump and his campaign illegally conspired with Russia during the election. Your God Mueller slapped the hoax down. The misinformation and outright lies that were spread by the leaks from the FBI/DOJ and knowingly reported by the MSM as truth were far more damaging to our democracy than anything the Russian troll farm came up with on Facebook. You helped Putin achieve his goal of chaos more than you'll ever admit, you Russian fucking puppet.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg

[TSA]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg

That meme doesn't work when you know I'm correct.

[Winehole23]

That meme doesn't work when you know I'm correct.Nah, you're both wrong.

Same zeal, same wishcasting, same obliviousness to everything that doesn't agree with your priors.

[TSA]

Nah, you're both wrong.

Same zeal, same wishcasting, same obliviousness to everything that doesn't agree with your priors.

You believe the Russian troll farm Facebook posts were more damaging to our democracy than the misinformation and outright lies that were spread by the leaks from the FBI/DOJ and knowingly reported by the MSM as truth?

[ChumpDumper]

You believe the Russian troll farm Facebook posts were more damaging to our democracy than the misinformation and outright lies that were spread by the leaks from the FBI/DOJ and knowingly reported by the MSM as truth?You report lies and conspiracy theories as truth regularly and you never apologize.

[Winehole23]

You believe the Russian troll farm Facebook posts were more damaging to our democracy than the misinformation and outright lies that were spread by the leaks from the FBI/DOJ and knowingly reported by the MSM as truth?No, not really. But probably not for the same reason.

[ElNono]

Not really just guessing, every other publicly known investigation was announced as being over and completed and these have not been announced as over and completed, unless something has changed and DOJ is no longer notifying the public.
Technically some of them could have already been investigated and the investigation is still open if you're looking for a gotcha I guess.

But none of these publicly known investigations have specifically pointed out to those individual you listed as being targets of them, AFAIK. So how do you know those people are under investigation, other than guessing?

[Winehole23]

But none of these publicly known investigations have specifically pointed out to those individual you listed as being targets of them, AFAIK. So how do you know those people are under investigation, other than guessing?TSA argues from certainty. If you disagree, you're wrong.

[TSA]

But none of these publicly known investigations have specifically pointed out to those individual you listed as being targets of them, AFAIK. So how do you know those people are under investigation, other than guessing?

Every single one of them besides McCabe was on the declassified list Grenell released of who unmasked Flynn. Rice already admitted she unmasked Trump aides. A single investigation I mentioned covers 4 of 5 I named.

If one were to investigate both the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the Trump campaign during 2016...who would be the target of said investigation? This is a really stupid series of questions coming from someone like you.

[Winehole23]

^^^reading the tea leaves and ridiculing nay sayers

[TSA]

^^^reading the tea leaves and ridiculing nay sayers

go spike the football on another FISA review you failed to understand

[Winehole23]

go spike the football on another FISA review you failed to understand^^^inhaling the Pythian vapors on the oracle's tripod

[ElNono]

Every single one of them besides McCabe was on the declassified list Grenell released of who unmasked Flynn. Rice already admitted she unmasked Trump aides. A single investigation I mentioned covers 4 of 5 I named.

If one were to investigate both the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the Trump campaign during 2016...who would be the target of said investigation? This is a really stupid series of questions coming from someone like you.

:lol you're asking me to connect dots, so that's a non-answer. Basically, you agree you're just jumping to conclusions and guessing...

Why is it a stupid question? Because I'm pointing out the obvious, that some of these investigations have gone on for a while now, and there's been no indictments or mentions of those involved?

Furthermore, we've yet to hear the legal angle for this "unmasking"... what's the US Code violated here?

On the other hand, it takes no leap of faith at all to see how Papadapolous, Gates, Cohen, Manafort, Stone were all actually investigated, indicted, and some of them found guilty.

[ElNono]

Some context

==================================

As you might imagine, there was a good deal of back-and-forth on this, particularly between the judges and Jeffrey Wall, the acting solicitor general, who argued the case for the Justice Department. This discussion shifted from (a) hypotheticals about how little the government could theoretically get away with disclosing about its reasoning, to (b) how much it had actually disclosed in the Flynn case. Wall made it clear that, whatever might in the abstract be the base level of required disclosure, the Justice Department had gone well above it in Flynn’s case. Here, Judge Sullivan was given a submission arguing that the case should not have been brought in the first place; it posited a legal theory that there was no crime, supported by factual disclosures that were, in turn, backed up by witness statements and other evidence.

As the discussion between Wall and the judges unfolded, a question arose about whether the prosecutor is obliged to tell the court all of its reasons for dropping a case, or if it is sufficient to impart just enough information to satisfy the court that the dismissal is not sought for an improper purpose. (The Justice Department argues that the court’s inquiry into improper purpose is limited to ensuring that the defendant agrees with the dismissal.) In explaining why there is no requirement to tell the court everything the prosecutor knows, Wall pointed out that very often the prosecutor will be aware of information from the investigation that might inform the decision to dismiss but that, for a host of good reasons, should not be disclosed.

In this vein, Wall added, it was entirely possible that Attorney General Barr might be aware of non-public information from the Flynn investigation and related investigations that should not be publicized, and that there would be no need to reveal it because the court had already been given more than enough information to be satisfied that the dismissal motion was proper.

In context, Wall seemed to be speaking theoretically, not based on personal knowledge of the investigations and what the attorney general knows about them. That’s not just the way I heard it; the judges plainly heard it the same way because there was no follow-up. It was a point worthy of making, but not one that called for probing.

Wall was not saying that Barr was in possession of or had relied on “secret information” that is being withheld from Judge Sullivan. Nor was he saying Barr had no such information, as it would be normal to have it. In fact, Wall did not seem to have the Flynn case in mind at all. He was in the position of the Justice Department’s lawyer looking out for the institutional interests of prosecutors. It is commonplace for prosecutors to be aware of non-public information that is not disclosed in relevant court proceedings — maybe it’s grand-jury material, maybe disclosure would compromise an informant, maybe revealing it would hurt investigators’ ability to conduct effective interviews of witnesses, etc.
2

None of this is similar. There are well-known rules of the road. Prosecutors must disclose exculpatory information. And there is a duty of candor toward the tribunal. If a prosecutor makes a statement that could be misleading if other information is not disclosed, then that information must be disclosed. If a judge asks a question, the prosecutor must either answer it or inform the judge that the government declines to answer it — the court must not be placed under a misimpression. But all that said, the prosecutor simply needs to show that his reasoning satisfied any legal requirement, not to disclose every fact that informed his reasoning.

All the acting solicitor general was saying is that there is no legal obligation to inform the court of everything the prosecutor knows. He was not signaling that there is some explosive secret information somehow bearing on the Flynn dismissal motion that has been withheld from Judge Sullivan.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/no-the-solicitor-general-did-not-say-ag-barr-had-secret-information-that-led-to-flynn-dismissal/

lol Mccarthy, speculating on the speculation.

And he's wrong too. If there's exculpatory evidence, but it's privileged or classified, then they must still let the parties know, and the judge has a procedure called in-camera review where he/she can review such information in secret. Otherwise, if that information ever sees the day of light, via declassification, for example, it could end up in a mistrial.

[TSA]

:lol you're asking me to connect dots, so that's a non-answer. Basically, you agree you're just jumping to conclusions and guessing...

Why is it a stupid question? Because I'm pointing out the obvious, that some of these investigations have gone on for a while now, and there's been no indictments or mentions of those involved?

Furthermore, we've yet to hear the legal angle for this "unmasking"... what's the US Code violated here?

On the other hand, it takes no leap of faith at all to see how Papadapolous, Gates, Cohen, Manafort, Stone were all actually investigated, indicted, and some of them found guilty.

You became accustomed to the leaking from Comey's FBI and Mueller's team. You aren't hearing anything now because these are properly run investigations.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

[Spurs Homer]

Henchmen installed in high positions to cover up crimes are

”properly run investigations”


:lol:lol:lol

[TSA]

Henchmen installed in high positions to cover up crimes are

”properly run investigations”


:lol:lol:lol

Mueller already completed his investigation dipshit. What crimes are you claiming being covered up?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSAnon gon jump back on the bandwagon soon

1293879640529031168

[Spurs Homer]

Mueller already completed his investigation dipshit. What crimes are you claiming being covered up?

mueller report still redacted/covered up

barrs investigations are basically russian cover ups- to steer the spotlight away from trumps treason

and onto the russian conspiracy theory that trump is somehow the victim


they dont even have to actually find any crimes (just like those ukraine investigations trump/putin tried to start)
they just have to muddy the water and give the appearance that the “deep state” was somehow the bad guys

again


covering up trumps treason

[TSA]

mueller report still redacted/covered up

barrs investigations are basically russian cover ups- to steer the spotlight away from trumps treason

and onto the russian conspiracy theory that trump is somehow the victim


they dont even have to actually find any crimes (just like those ukraine investigations trump/putin tried to start)
they just have to muddy the water and give the appearance that the “deep state” was somehow the bad guys

again


covering up trumps treason

I’ll ask you again, what crimes are being covered up?

[RandomGuy]

Mueller already completed his investigation dipshit. What crimes are you claiming being covered up?

Has Trump wished any other child sex predators well this week? Haven't bee paying attention and figured that concern about children being sexually abused as one of your few redeeming qualities.

[Spurs Homer]

I’ll ask you again, what crimes are being covered up?

The Mueller report

The FBI - 13 counter intel investigations that Mueller referred to the FBI during the Mueller report

The SDNY cohen/individual 1 crimes

Barr has done nothing but shield trump from any and all legal danger.

[ElNono]

You became accustomed to the leaking from Comey's FBI and Mueller's team. You aren't hearing anything now because these are properly run investigations.

Nope. All those guys got indicted, that's not a leak. Some of them got indicted before the investigation even concluded, because once you have evidence, you don't need to wait.

But, again, thanks for confirming that you were just jumping to conclusions, and guessing. Could have just answered "yes" and moved on.

[TSA]

The Mueller report

The FBI - 13 counter intel investigations that Mueller referred to the FBI during the Mueller report

The SDNY cohen/individual 1 crimes

Barr has done nothing but shield trump from any and all legal danger.The Mueller report is complete and all crimes have been charged.

A counterintelligence investigation isn't a criminal investigation.

Cohen cases is over and charged.

Again, what crimes are being covered up?

[boutons_deux]

Trash/Pompeo probably got Israel + UAE to "do us a favor".

How much will geopolitical corruption cost US taxpayers?

I doubt this legit. General principle? don't believe anything motherfucking Trash and his mafiya say or do

[TSA]

Nope. All those guys got indicted, that's not a leak. Some of them got indicted before the investigation even concluded, because once you have evidence, you don't need to wait.

But, again, thanks for confirming that you were just jumping to conclusions, and guessing. Could have just answered "yes" and moved on.

You specifically said there hasn't been any mention of those involved as if that means something. This investigation involves many more people at the highest levels of our intelligence agencies and is much more complex then determining something like Papadapolous lying about the date he met someone. You are getting leaks while it's still ongoing, sorry.

[ChumpDumper]

It's so complicated I don't even understand it and no one will care!

[ElNono]

You specifically said there hasn't been any mention of those involved as if that means something. This investigation involves many more people at the highest levels of our intelligence agencies and is much more complex then determining something like Papadapolous lying about the date he met someone. You are getting leaks while it's still ongoing, sorry.

I didn't say it meant anything, I asked you a direct question. Were you guessing that the people you mentioned were involved in any of these investigations. You clearly don't know, so you should just said "yes".

Plus you keep doubling down in making unfounded claims. You don't know who or what is being investigated to make any claims as being more or less complex than any other investigations. You're guessing again.

[TSA]

I didn't say it meant anything, I asked you a direct question. Were you guessing that the people you mentioned were involved in any of these investigations. You clearly don't know, so you should just said "yes".

Plus you keep doubling down in making unfounded claims. You don't know who or what is being investigated to make any claims as being more or less complex than any other investigations. You're guessing again.

It’s not a guess that the heads of the intelligence agencies who ran the ops are under investigation when Barr said Durham was investigating the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the Trump campaign during 2016.

And yes I can say with 100% certainty that Durham’s investigation is more complex than figuring out if Papadopolous lied about the date he met someone.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1294086122558062592

[ElNono]

It’s not a guess that the heads of the intelligence agencies who ran the ops are under investigation when Barr said Durham was investigating the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the Trump campaign during 2016.

:lol of course it is a guess, you have no way of knowing that. You have shown zero proof so far how any of these agencies operate, or how these operations are conducted.


And yes I can say with 100% certainty that Durham’s investigation is more complex than figuring out if Papadopolous lied about the date he met someone.

Even if your guess is plausible, it's still a guess. You couldn't possible say that considering you haven't seen Durham’s investigation and Durham himself has not spoken about it. What you're saying is that you're 100% sure of your guess.

And it's not circumscribed to Papadopolous. You can't assert in any way, shape or form that Durham’s investigation is more complex than, say, Muller. Because you don't know anything at all about what it took to conduct either investigation.

In short, you don't know anything everybody else doesn't already know, which is not much at all.

[Chris]

https://mobile.twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1294086122558062592

:tu

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1294086122558062592

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1294295318763380737

Nice to see the first domino fall, now on to the bigger fish :bobo

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1294295318763380737

Nice to see the first domino fall, now on to the bigger fish :boboLeaks :bobo

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1294295318763380737

Nice to see the first domino fall, now on to the bigger fish :boboIf what his lawyer said is true that means multiple people in the FBI and DOJ saw both the unaltered email and the altered email and decided to use the altered email to submit to the FISC.

"Mr. Clinesmith’s lawyers also argued that their client did not try to hide the C.I.A. email from other law enforcement officials as they sought the final renewal of the Page wiretap. Mr. Clinesmith had provided the unchanged C.I.A. email to Crossfire Hurricane agents and the Justice Department lawyer drafting the original wiretap application."

[Spurs Homer]

lolol

”process crimes” really really serious and BAD now!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1294299725022343170?s=19

yup

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1294299725022343170?s=19

yup:lol Qhris doesn't believe it until Benny Johnson reads the NY Times article.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1294310909045809152

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1294309043905925122

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1294295318763380737

Nice to see the first domino fall, now on to the bigger fish :bobo

https://twitter.com/MonsieurAmerica/status/1294311636191154176

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.221058/gov.uscourts.dcd.221058.1.0.pdf

[ChumpDumper]

Leak bad now :bobo

[Spurs Homer]

altered an email!!!!


a lawyer - not even an FBI agent lol

of course this means trump didnt collude with a foreign enemy and is not colluding again in this election amirite?


:lol:lol:lol

[ElNono]

Sorry, Hillary won’t be getting the “HQ” special this time around and it won’t be treated like a “matter”. Aren’t you at least curious to see the results of an actual honest investigation done by the NY field office instead of a select few in DC?

Appeals court nixes Hillary Clinton deposition on emails
D.C. Circuit Judge Robert Wilkins suggested it was time to consign the Clinton email imbroglio to the history books.

A federal appeals court panel has unanimously overturned a lower-court order requiring Hillary Clinton to provide a sworn deposition about her use of a private email account and server during her four years as secretary of State.

The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled, 3-0, that the conservative group Judicial Watch was not entitled to depose Clinton in connection with an 8-year-old Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking records of details about information national security adviser Susan Rice discussed during interviews in 2012 about the deadly attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya.

During the protracted litigation surrounding the email saga, Clinton answered written questions under penalty of perjury about her email practices.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/14/hillary-clinton-emails-deposition-overturned-395361

[TSA]

Appeals court nixes Hillary Clinton deposition on emails
D.C. Circuit Judge Robert Wilkins suggested it was time to consign the Clinton email imbroglio to the history books.

A federal appeals court panel has unanimously overturned a lower-court order requiring Hillary Clinton to provide a sworn deposition about her use of a private email account and server during her four years as secretary of State.

The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled, 3-0, that the conservative group Judicial Watch was not entitled to depose Clinton in connection with an 8-year-old Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking records of details about information national security adviser Susan Rice discussed during interviews in 2012 about the deadly attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya.

During the protracted litigation surrounding the email saga, Clinton answered written questions under penalty of perjury about her email practices.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/14/hillary-clinton-emails-deposition-overturned-395361

No comment in either thread about the top FBI lawyer pleading guilty and bumps a 2 year old Hillary case.
:lol don’t ever change Nono.

[ChumpDumper]

Does this mean the previous Page warrants were completely problem free? Weird that they would start with a later one like that but I'm sure they're gonna get Obama any day now.

[Winehole23]

Appeals court nixes Hillary Clinton deposition on emails
D.C. Circuit Judge Robert Wilkins suggested it was time to consign the Clinton email imbroglio to the history books.

A federal appeals court panel has unanimously overturned a lower-court order requiring Hillary Clinton to provide a sworn deposition about her use of a private email account and server during her four years as secretary of State.

The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled, 3-0, that the conservative group Judicial Watch was not entitled to depose Clinton in connection with an 8-year-old Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking records of details about information national security adviser Susan Rice discussed during interviews in 2012 about the deadly attack on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya.

During the protracted litigation surrounding the email saga, Clinton answered written questions under penalty of perjury about her email practices.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/14/hillary-clinton-emails-deposition-overturned-395361Wow, Benghazi is finally over?

There were what, six or seven Congressional investigations of four US deaths and none yet of COVID-19?

[ElNono]

No comment in either thread about the top FBI lawyer pleading guilty and bumps a 2 year old Hillary case.
:lol don’t ever change Nono.

I did comment on the lawyer back when the IG report came out... I said they should prosecute, which they did...

Not sure what else is there to add? As far as I read, the lawyer claimed the error was not made in bad faith...

Also, are we in agreement now that Durham doesn't need to finish his investigation to indict people? :lol

And what I posted is relevant news. Not my fault this thread is ancient.

[Spurtacular]

No comment in either thread about the top FBI lawyer pleading guilty and bumps a 2 year old Hillary case.
:lol don’t ever change Nono.

This is an all-time comfort thread. :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Trump eyes Putin meeting before November election

U.S. officials have explored potential times and places for a Trump-Putin summit,

including next month in New York

discussions.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-eyes-putin-meeting-november-election-say-four-people-familiar-n1236861

"Vlad, as you MAKE WAR on USA, please come to New York,

bring the peepee ladies,

and we will have some fun.

We will finalize my Trump International Hotel Moscow.

Your eternally indebted puppet,

Donnie"

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1295359227981189121

Drew's got the receipts again :lol

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1295359227981189121

Drew's got the receipts again :lol
which members of the trump campaign were surveilled or spied on due to that altered email?

[ChumpDumper]

which members of the trump campaign were surveilled or spied on due to that altered email?Difficult to influence the election of 2016 in June 2017 but I don't think the Spygate theory necessarily precludes Black President time travel.

[Spurs Homer]

Difficult to influence the election of 2016 in June 2017 but I don't think the Spygate theory necessarily precludes Black President time travel.

So Pizzagate theory/conspiracy might still be alive?


:lol:lol

[ChumpDumper]

So Pizzagate theory/conspiracy might still be alive?


:lol:lolThe question isn't where the child sex dungeon is, but WHEN.

[Spurs Homer]

The question isn't where the child sex dungeon is, but WHEN.


Those kids might be able to testify now-

and Durham can investigate the REAL crimes!

[ChumpDumper]

Those kids might be able to testify now-

and Durham can investigate the REAL crimes!You'd think that but--

THEY WERE SENIOR CITIZENS WHEN THEY WENT INTO THE PIZZA PARLOR!

[Spurs Homer]

You'd think that but--

THEY WERE SENIOR CITIZENS WHEN THEY WENT INTO THE PIZZA PARLOR!


no

you just fell into the 6D chess of



Q

[boutons_deux]

History repeating:

Trump is openly pushing Russian propaganda against Biden

[The] investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts…

Late Sunday, Trump amplified a tweet that contained audiotapes of a 2016 conversation between Biden and then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko —

material that was released earlier this year by

Andriy Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker named by the US intelligence community in its August 7 statement about Russia’s disinformation campaign against Biden.

US authorities labeled Derkach’s efforts as disinformation

because they are intentionally designed to spread false or misleading information about Biden.

By retweeting material that the US government has already labeled as propaganda — and doing so with the 2020 Democratic National Convention kicking off on Monday —

Trump demonstrated once again that he is willing to capitalize on foreign election meddling for his own political gain.

The conversation does not actually implicate Biden in any wrongdoing.

By amplifying the recording to his more than 85 million Twitter followers,

Trump underscored the ease with which pro-Russian narratives can seep into American public discourse ahead of the 2020 election

despite being flagged by intelligence officials as the product of a concerted Russian effort.

Russia has also published disinformation under the guise of legitimate news stories (https://apnews.com/3acb089e6a333e051dbc4a465cb68ee1), U.S. officials say,

reflecting something of a shift in tactics from 2016,

when Russia relied on a social media campaign to sow discord and also orchestrated the release of stolen Democratic emails.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/history-repeating-trump-is-openly-pushing-russian-propaganda-against-biden/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5218&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/history-repeating-trump-is-openly-pushing-russian-propaganda-against-biden/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5218&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

[Spurs Homer]

History repeating:

Trump is openly pushing Russian propaganda against Biden

[The] investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts…

Late Sunday, Trump amplified a tweet that contained audiotapes of a 2016 conversation between Biden and then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko —

material that was released earlier this year by

Andriy Derkach, a Ukrainian lawmaker named by the US intelligence community in its August 7 statement about Russia’s disinformation campaign against Biden.

US authorities labeled Derkach’s efforts as disinformation

because they are intentionally designed to spread false or misleading information about Biden.

By retweeting material that the US government has already labeled as propaganda — and doing so with the 2020 Democratic National Convention kicking off on Monday —

Trump demonstrated once again that he is willing to capitalize on foreign election meddling for his own political gain.

The conversation does not actually implicate Biden in any wrongdoing.

By amplifying the recording to his more than 85 million Twitter followers,

Trump underscored the ease with which pro-Russian narratives can seep into American public discourse ahead of the 2020 election

despite being flagged by intelligence officials as the product of a concerted Russian effort.

Russia has also published disinformation under the guise of legitimate news stories (https://apnews.com/3acb089e6a333e051dbc4a465cb68ee1), U.S. officials say,

reflecting something of a shift in tactics from 2016,

when Russia relied on a social media campaign to sow discord and also orchestrated the release of stolen Democratic emails.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/history-repeating-trump-is-openly-pushing-russian-propaganda-against-biden/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5218&recip_id=298460&list_id=1 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/history-repeating-trump-is-openly-pushing-russian-propaganda-against-biden/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5218&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)





russian spy derkach

has senate repukes (graham and albino johnson) and now trump

doing russias propaganda work

[boutons_deux]

Trash is a traitor, conspiring with the enemy to hurt America even more than 200K+ dead on his watch

[Spurs Homer]

Trash is a traitor, conspiring with the enemy to hurt America even more than 200K+ dead on his watch

just a repeat of 2016

roger stone stopped clutching his pearls and dropped his appeal quietly last night during the DNC virtual event

[Winehole23]

Senate Intelligence report out: 2016 Trump campaign was a counterintelligence risk because of their frequent meetings with Russians, and because it hired counterintelligence risks named Paul Manafort and Mike Flynn.


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read the report here:

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures

[Spurs Homer]

Senate Intelligence report out: 2016 Trump campaign was a counterintelligence risk because of their frequent meetings with Russians, and because it hired counterintelligence risks named Paul Manafort and Mike Flynn.


1295722251740995586

read the report here:

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures


thanks for posting....


comrade TSA deflecting/denying/posting propaganda to muddy the water in 5,4,3...

[boutons_deux]

Manafort was ‘grave counterintelligence threat’ due to Russian contacts, Senate panel says

The Senate panel report says Manafort worked with a Russian intelligence officer who may have been involved in the DNC hack.

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/e8d5985/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F90%2F11%2 F3bd4bb2c412aa29f40f30b602791%2F200818-paul-manafort-gty-773.jpg

Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign chairman Paul

Manafort worked closely with a Russian intelligence officer :lol W T F

who may have been involved in the hack and release of Democratic emails during the election,

describing Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort business associate, as an agent of the Russian government.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/18/manafort-worked-with-russian-intel-officer-who-may-have-been-involved-in-dnc-hack-senate-panel-says-397597

is Trash's next pardon to be Manafart?

[Spurs Homer]

Manafort was ‘grave counterintelligence threat’ due to Russian contacts, Senate panel says

The Senate panel report says Manafort worked with a Russian intelligence officer who may have been involved in the DNC hack.

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/e8d5985/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F90%2F11%2 F3bd4bb2c412aa29f40f30b602791%2F200818-paul-manafort-gty-773.jpg

Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign chairman Paul

Manafort worked closely with a Russian intelligence officer :lol W T F

who may have been involved in the hack and release of Democratic emails during the election,

describing Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort business associate, as an agent of the Russian government.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/18/manafort-worked-with-russian-intel-officer-who-may-have-been-involved-in-dnc-hack-senate-panel-says-397597

is Trash's next pardon to be Manafart?




They stole HRC campaign plan -
(which showed HRC - making the decision to not spend resources $$$ on michigan/wisconsin/? pennsylvania? - and instead focus elsewhere as the polls had her leading -)

the russians/wikileaks/roger stone/trump campaign -
used this stolen hrc gameplan - to immediately visit those states and tell those voters - "trump is here - he cares about you" - "hrc is not - she doesnt care"

in other words - using russias hacked info to steal election

also the report says trump spoke to stone - as we already know - then lied to Mueller (Felony) about it

but russian comrades will not care - they will defend mother russia

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1295499179364556801

James M. Casey was a police officer and FBI agent for 32 years. He was assigned to the National Security Council in 2003 and 2004 and was a Section Chief in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division for three years. He retired in 2012 as the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Jacksonville Division, and is President of FCS Global Advisors, a private investigative and crisis management firm.

[Spurs Homer]

Sure...^....

mueller report is blah blah blah

but- BARR will NOT unredact it and release all of the report.

A COVER UP - would be unnecessary if this propaganda is remotely true...


comrade TSA with another batshit crazy take - lololol

[Winehole23]

Sounds about right to me, I would only add that the WH stonewalled both Mueller and Congress.

It also underscores how far the party of values has strayed from values, apparently the only thing that matters anymore is whether a Republican candidate's actions rise to the level of criminality.

If merely unethical or immoral, no worries!

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[boutons_deux]

Senate’s Bipartisan Russia Report

Refutes Trump’s Repeated ‘No Collusion’ Lie

Intelligence committee finds “grave counterintelligence threat” but Trump’s 2020 campaign continues to claim “no collusion” and to call the investigations “a hoax.”

the committee found that Russia worked to hurt Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and to help Trump —

but further found that Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort was particularly dangerous to U.S. national security.

“Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services … represented a grave counterintelligence threat,”

Trump confidante Roger Stone — who along with Manafort and several others were convicted of felonies in Mueller’s probe — on the orders of Trump and his campaign

sought to coordinate with WikiLeaks regarding the release of documents stolen from the Clinton camp.

“At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the campaign and

shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and senior campaign officials on multiple occasions,”

That Trump was openly accepting Russian help to win the election was known even as it was happening in real time.

Trump started receiving intelligence briefings in August 2016,

when he was informed that Russian spy agencies had stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee and others and were releasing them through WikiLeaks.

Trump cited that Russian-stolen material almost daily between Oct. 10 and Election Day at his campaign rallies and in media interviews.

“We love WikiLeaks,” he would say,

Many of the contacts between Russia and the Trump campaign ... were previously published in the Mueller report.

that document was effectively preempted by Trump’s handpicked Attorney General Bill Barr,

The Senate report found that Trump not only refused to turn over material to the committee from the time he was president,

he also refused to hand over documents from the 10-week period between his election and inauguration

using “novel and unprecedented potential executive privilege claims.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-russia-collusion_n_5f3c44b2c5b61551404e7071?ri18n=true&ncid=newsltushpmgnews

conclusion:

Popular-Vote-Loser so-called President Trash is ILLEGITIMATE, as he knows and covers up

Will Pelosi indict Trash again? fuck no

[Winehole23]

hey TSA, what do you think of the report's conclusion that Trump spoke directly with Roger Stone? Why would Trump lie to Robert Mueller under oath about that if he had nothing to hide?

1295851845877927943

[boutons_deux]

GOP lawmakers who knew Trump colluded with Russia —

and are still covering for him

Republican lawmakers who participated in the compilation of the nearly thousand-page report that painted a damning portrait of foreign collusion still voted against impeachment and are still running cover for him.

Marco Rubio,
Tom Cotton,
Susan Collins,
Roy Blunt,
John Cornyn,
Ben Sasse

all did what they really needed to do as Americans, and that is, allow a full and fair report about Donald Trump and his family and

his campaign’s just treacherous behavior towards a foreign country that considers themselves our sworn enemy, told the truth about it”

these people voted against the impeachment of Donald Trump,

despite the fact last year they sent criminal referrals out for three members of his team — Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner, and Don junior, two family members.”

let’s see — Rubio, Cotton, Collins, Blunt, Cornyn, Ben Sasse all told the truth — all told the truth and said that

Donald Trump committed perjury in the Robert Mueller investigation in his answers to Robert Mueller,”

Chairman Burr, who had to step down because of his insider trading difficulties, is the person who most directly shaped the outcome of the report.

“None of those members has stood up and condemned Donald Trump for this terrible behavior,” he continued.

“None of them has talked about, apart from the report, verbally, on television, communicate directly to their voters and to the American people the dangers this type of conduct poses to the security of the country.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/steve-schmidt-levels-gop-lawmakers-who-knew-trump-colluded-with-russia-and-are-still-covering-for-him (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/steve-schmidt-levels-gop-lawmakers-who-knew-trump-colluded-with-russia-and-are-still-covering-for-him/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[TSA]

hey TSA, what do you think of the report's conclusion that Trump spoke directly with Roger Stone? Why would Trump lie to Robert Mueller under oath about that if he had nothing to hide?

1295851845877927943

Trump told Mueller he spoke directly with Roger Stone.

SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE:

g. From June 1, 2016 through the end of the campaign, how frequently did you communicate with Roger Stone? Describe the nature of your communication(s) with Mr. Stone.

i. During that time period, what efforts did Mr. Stone tell you he was making to assist your campaign, and what requests, if any, did you make of Mr. Stone?

ii. Did Mr. Stone ever discuss WikiLeaks with you or, as far as you were aware, with anyone else associated with the campaign? If yes, describe what you were told, from whom, and when.

iii. Did Mr. Stone at any time inform you about contacts he had with WikiLeaks or any intermediary of WikiLeaks, or about forthcoming releases of information? If yes, describe what Stone told you and when.

TRUMP:

Response to Question ll, Part (g): I spoke by telephone with Roger Stone from time to time during the campaign. I have no recollection of the specifics of any conversations I had with Mr. Stone between June 1.2016 and November 8, 2016. I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with him, nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks with individuals associated with my campaign, although I was aware that WikiLeaks was the subject of media reporting and campaign-related discussion at the time.

https://apnews.com/98f22511be924ced895ce5c0bfedfe37

[spurraider21]

so trump has amnesia

[ChumpDumper]

Trump told Mueller he spoke directly with Roger Stone.

SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE:

g. From June 1, 2016 through the end of the campaign, how frequently did you communicate with Roger Stone? Describe the nature of your communication(s) with Mr. Stone.

i. During that time period, what efforts did Mr. Stone tell you he was making to assist your campaign, and what requests, if any, did you make of Mr. Stone?

ii. Did Mr. Stone ever discuss WikiLeaks with you or, as far as you were aware, with anyone else associated with the campaign? If yes, describe what you were told, from whom, and when.

iii. Did Mr. Stone at any time inform you about contacts he had with WikiLeaks or any intermediary of WikiLeaks, or about forthcoming releases of information? If yes, describe what Stone told you and when.

TRUMP:

Response to Question ll, Part (g): I spoke by telephone with Roger Stone from time to time during the campaign. I have no recollection of the specifics of any conversations I had with Mr. Stone between June 1.2016 and November 8, 2016. I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with him, nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks with individuals associated with my campaign, although I was aware that WikiLeaks was the subject of media reporting and campaign-related discussion at the time.

https://apnews.com/98f22511be924ced895ce5c0bfedfe37
1295727446415814656

Trump lied. Don't be disingenuous.

[Winehole23]

so trump has amnesiahis "I don't recall" moment

[Spurs Homer]

Americans too busy to care about a traitor being allowed to serve as illegitimate president for 4 years - and are ok with the traitor running for re-election,

we get what we deserve;




https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/politics/russia-investigation-fbi-paul-manafort-donald-trump-jr-donald-trump/index.html

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1296155509108678656?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1296155509108678656?s=19:rollin

Something something Hunter Biden something something Joe threatened to murder Ukraine something something please don't look at the Senate report.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1296155509108678656?s=19
wasnt this guy supposed to start released serious evidence on the ukraine stuff months ago?

[Spurs Homer]

:rollin

Something something Hunter Biden something something Joe threatened to murder Ukraine something something please don't look at the Senate report.


BOOM!

[Winehole23]

wasnt this guy supposed to start released serious evidence on the ukraine stuff months ago?
Lev Parnas trial seemed to be in the way, now it's not

[TSA]

FBI Attorney Admits Altering Email Used for FISA Application During "Crossfire Hurricane" Investigation

Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, pleaded guilty today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to a false statement offense stemming from his altering of an email in connection with the submission of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”) application, announced John H. Durham, Special Attorney to the Attorney General.

Pursuant to the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act), the guilty plea proceeding occurred via videoconference before U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg.

According to court documents and statements made in court, between July 2015 and September 2019, Clinesmith was employed with the FBI as an Assistant General Counsel in the National Security and Cyber Law Branch of the FBI’s Office of General Counsel in Washington, D.C. On July 31, 2016, the FBI opened a Foreign Agents Registration Act investigation, known as “Crossfire Hurricane,” into whether individuals associated with the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign were coordinating activities with the Russian government. By August 16, 2016, the FBI had opened cases under the Crossfire Hurricane umbrella on four individuals, including an individual identified in this case as “Individual #1.”

Clinesmith was assigned to provide legal support to FBI personnel working on Crossfire Hurricane, and he assisted FBI personnel with applications prepared by the FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division to conduct surveillance under the FISA. During the investigation, there were a total of four court-approved FISA applications targeting Individual #1. Each of the FISA applications alleged there was probable cause that Individual #1 was a knowing agent of a foreign power, specifically Russia.

On August 17, 2016, prior to the approval of the first FISA application #1, another U.S. government agency (“OGA”) provided certain members of the Crossfire Hurricane team a memorandum indicating that Individual #1 had been approved as an “operational contact” for the OGA from 2008 to 2013 and detailing information that Individual #1 had provided to the OGA concerning Individual #1’s prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers. The first three FISA applications did not include Individual #1’s history or status with the OGA.

Prior to the submission of the fourth FISA application, and after Individual #1 stated publicly that he/she had assisted the U.S. government in the past, an FBI Supervisory Special Agent (“SSA”) asked Clinesmith to inquire with the OGA as to whether Individual #1 had ever been a “source” for the OGA. On June 15, 2017, Clinesmith sent an email to a liaison at the OGA (“OGA Liaison”) seeking clarification as to whether Individual #1 was an OGA source, and the OGA Liaison responded via email to Clinesmith. On June 19, 2017, Clinesmith altered the email he received from the OGA Liaison by adding the words “not a source,” and then forwarded the email to the FBI SSA. Relying on the altered email, on June 29, 2017, the SSA signed and submitted the fourth FISA application to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The application did not include Individual #1’s history or status with the OGA.

Clinesmith pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government, an offense that carries a maximum term of imprisonment of five years and a fine of up to $250,000. Judge Boasberg scheduled sentencing for December 10, 2020.

This case is being prosecuted by Special Assistant U.S. Attorney Neeraj N. Patel and Assistant U.S. Attorney Anthony Scarpelli, with the support and assistance of other members of Special Attorney Durham’s team.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/fbi-attorney-admits-altering-email-used-fisa-application-during-crossfire-hurricane

[RandomGuy]

Something something Hunter Biden something something Joe threatened to murder Ukraine something something please don't look at the Senate report.


FBI Attorney Admits Altering Email Used for FISA Application During "Crossfire Hurricane" Investigation

Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, pleaded guilty today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to a false statement offense stemming from his altering of an email in connection with the submission of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”) application, announced John H. Durham, Special Attorney to the Attorney General.

Pursuant to the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act), the guilty plea proceeding occurred via videoconference before U.S. District Judge James E. Boasberg.

According to court documents and statements made in court, between July 2015 and September 2019, Clinesmith was employed with the FBI as an Assistant General Counsel in the National Security and Cyber Law Branch of the FBI’s Office of General Counsel in Washington, D.C. On July 31, 2016, the FBI opened a Foreign Agents Registration Act investigation, known as “Crossfire Hurricane,” into whether individuals associated with the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign were coordinating activities with the Russian government. By August 16, 2016, the FBI had opened cases under the Crossfire Hurricane umbrella on four individuals, including an individual identified in this case as “Individual #1.”

Clinesmith was assigned to provide legal support to FBI personnel working on Crossfire Hurricane, and he assisted FBI personnel with applications prepared by the FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division to conduct surveillance under the FISA. During the investigation, there were a total of four court-approved FISA applications targeting Individual #1. Each of the FISA applications alleged there was probable cause that Individual #1 was a knowing agent of a foreign power, specifically Russia.

On August 17, 2016, prior to the approval of the first FISA application #1, another U.S. government agency (“OGA”) provided certain members of the Crossfire Hurricane team a memorandum indicating that Individual #1 had been approved as an “operational contact” for the OGA from 2008 to 2013 and detailing information that Individual #1 had provided to the OGA concerning Individual #1’s prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers. The first three FISA applications did not include Individual #1’s history or status with the OGA.

Prior to the submission of the fourth FISA application, and after Individual #1 stated publicly that he/she had assisted the U.S. government in the past, an FBI Supervisory Special Agent (“SSA”) asked Clinesmith to inquire with the OGA as to whether Individual #1 had ever been a “source” for the OGA. On June 15, 2017, Clinesmith sent an email to a liaison at the OGA (“OGA Liaison”) seeking clarification as to whether Individual #1 was an OGA source, and the OGA Liaison responded via email to Clinesmith. On June 19, 2017, Clinesmith altered the email he received from the OGA Liaison by adding the words “not a source,” and then forwarded the email to the FBI SSA. Relying on the altered email, on June 29, 2017, the SSA signed and submitted the fourth FISA application to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. The application did not include Individual #1’s history or status with the OGA.

Clinesmith pleaded guilty to one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government, an offense that carries a maximum term of imprisonment of five years and a fine of up to $250,000. Judge Boasberg scheduled sentencing for December 10, 2020.

This case is being prosecuted by Special Assistant U.S. Attorney Neeraj N. Patel and Assistant U.S. Attorney Anthony Scarpelli, with the support and assistance of other members of Special Attorney Durham’s team.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/fbi-attorney-admits-altering-email-used-fisa-application-during-crossfire-hurricane

Something something FISA something Carter Page something Pizzagate pedophilla ring deep state please don't look at the Senate report

[Spurs Homer]

So, Manafort colludes with russian spy Kilimnik and supplies election polling to russia...

Flynn colludes with ambassador kislyak to have russia NOT worry about USA Obama sanctions and assures the russians that “trump team got your back”

Stone colludes with wikileaks under orders by Trump- to accept stolen materials and coordinating their release to damage an american citizen and cheat a USA election- under orders of trump who stated hundreds of times how much he “loved wikileaks”

Trump Jr. colludes with russian spies and meets them in trump tower to accept damaging materials to hurt an american citizen and steal an election using russian govts help and kushner attends the treason meet...

trump aids and abets russia/putin at Helsinki by telling the world that he believes Putin and does not believe USA intel after colluding with the theft of the USA election



Marco Rubio and the rest of the GOP (Govt of Putin) senate panel traitors: “the report says absolutely NO COLLUSION!”

Cult: “makes perfect sense!”

[Spurminator]

I was wondering why this Bannon story was being pushed so hard. Now I know.

DOJ prepares new probe of Clinton’s email server

https://nypost.com/2018/01/04/doj-prepares-new-probe-of-clintons-email-server/

From 2018.

Any theories on what today's Bannon news is really hiding, TSA?

[Spurs Homer]

emailssss!!!!

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1296155509108678656?s=19Did I miss it?

[ChumpDumper]

Did I miss it?Uh, I guess it was this?

1296547049291354112


:lmao

[boutons_deux]

https://media.newyorker.com/cartoons/5f3e95c5165d4d7af1f9b9ec/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/A24578.jpg

[boutons_deux]

State Department finally agrees to give Joe Biden copies of documents sent to Republicans senators

Weeks ago, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo provided a “portfolio” of documents for Republican senators—and only Republican senators—

concerning the investigation of the Russia investigation and

the ongoing attempt to flesh out Donald Trump’s conspiracies about Joe Biden’s actions in Ukraine.

Pompeo shipped to his partisans topped 1,600 pages.

That includes

information provided to the State Department courtesy of pro-Russian former Ukrainian officials eager to get the Putin line into U.S. documents.

provided to committees at the request of Republican Sens. Chuck Grassley and reliable conspiracy theorist Ron Johnson.

Though, somehow the State Department only provided the documents to the Republican members of those committees.

(https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/19/1970566/-Democrats-may-finally-get-a-peak-at-documents-Pompeo-provided-Republicans-weeks-ago) a State Department official has ordered (https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000174-02bb-d271-adf7-77fbcba20000) that Biden be provided the results of the same document search.

Republicans have been on a fishing expedition,

attempting to pile up everything they possibly can for use against Biden, not matter how obscure.

Johnson has been issuing long lines of such statements, insinuating that they prove some complex crime …

one that

Johnson completely fails to articulate.

Instead, he just keeps inserting “coincidence?” into his tweets. :lol

(https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/19/1970566/-Democrats-may-finally-get-a-peak-at-documents-Pompeo-provided-Republicans-weeks-ago)https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/19/1970566/-Democrats-may-finally-get-a-peak-at-documents-Pompeo-provided-Republicans-weeks-ago

[boutons_deux]

DC Circuit Tells Don McGahn To Shut Up And Sing

Today, the United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit ruled that the House Judiciary Committee can go to court to enforce its subpoena to former Trump White House counsel Don McGahn.

With the DC Circuit sitting en banc, Judge Judith Roberts wrote for

the 7-2 majority

what should have been clear all along:

Of course Congress can subpoena executive officials.

And Congress also has standing to go to court to enforce those subpoenas.

Responding to McGahn's assertions that a ruling against him would allow Congress to "arrogate power to itself" and unilaterally take over the world or something,

the court reminds McGahn that he is actually the problem here, not the House Judiciary Committee.

The court ruled that the House Judiciary Committee was entitled to compel McGahn's testimony,

in March, a three-judge panel of the DC Circuit was all like,

"We can't decide this; what are we, JUDGES (https://www.wonkette.com/dc-circuit-mcgahn-subpoena)?!"

and

just pretended that it was completely absurd for a federal court to do something like enforce a subpoena

(which, here in reality, our courts do every single day).

The en banc court disagrees.

https://www.wonkette.com/dc-circuit-mcgahn-subpoena-2646920162

[Winehole23]

DC Circuit Tells Don McGahn To Shut Up And Sing

Today, the United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit ruled that the House Judiciary Committee can go to court to enforce its subpoena to former Trump White House counsel Don McGahn.

With the DC Circuit sitting en banc, Judge Judith Roberts wrote for

the 7-2 majority

what should have been clear all along:

Of course Congress can subpoena executive officials.

And Congress also has standing to go to court to enforce those subpoenas.

Responding to McGahn's assertions that a ruling against him would allow Congress to "arrogate power to itself" and unilaterally take over the world or something,

the court reminds McGahn that he is actually the problem here, not the House Judiciary Committee.

The court ruled that the House Judiciary Committee was entitled to compel McGahn's testimony,

in March, a three-judge panel of the DC Circuit was all like,

"We can't decide this; what are we, JUDGES (https://www.wonkette.com/dc-circuit-mcgahn-subpoena)?!"

and

just pretended that it was completely absurd for a federal court to do something like enforce a subpoena

(which, here in reality, our courts do every single day).

The en banc court disagrees.

https://www.wonkette.com/dc-circuit-mcgahn-subpoena-2646920162Last thing I read the testimony will be after the election, if at all. This two week old article gives no scheduling info.

This is electorally moot, unless the McGahn testimony is accelerated, as I understand. I could be wrong.

[Winehole23]

1295896109529944064

[Winehole23]

Committee Report breakdown @lawfareblog.com


The fifth and final volume of the Select Intelligence Committee’s bipartisan report (https://www.lawfareblog.com/senate-intelligence-committee-releases-final-volume-russian-election-interference-report) on Russian interference in the 2016 election is an incredibly long and detailed document. At a whopping 966 pages, volume 5 alone is more than twice the length of the Mueller report, and it covers a great deal more ground.


It is important for another reason: Along with the shorter volumes 1-4 (https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures), the Senate’s report is the only credible account of the events of 2016 to which Republican elected officials have signed their names. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell in a press release praised (https://www.republicanleader.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/mcconnell-on-intelligence-committees-investigation-our-adversaries-want-to-undermine-our-system-of-government) the report on the investigation he set in motion (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/12/12/schumer-on-congressional-probe-of-russia-i-dont-want-this-to-turn-into-a-benghazi-investigation/) way back in December 2016, saying, “I commend my colleagues on both sides for keeping their work out of the partisan spotlight and focused on the facts.”
https://www.lawfareblog.com/collusion-reading-diary-what-did-senate-intelligence-committee-find

[Winehole23]

This volume is an attempt to describe comprehensively the counterintelligence threats and vulnerabilities associated with Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. So it’s inherently a little more free-wheeling and speculative.

[spurraider21]

:lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc8XsWQMcs8

[boutons_deux]

Trump ‘exploded with anger’ in front of UK leader after learning he missed a Putin phone call

President Donald Trump (http://rawstory.com/2020/08/the-lie-at-the-heart-of-trumps-vision-of-america/) blew up at a former national security adviser after learning he missed a phone call from Russian President Vladimir Putin (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/clingy-fangirl-trump-mocked-for-his-love-letters-to-putin-he-begged-like-a-dog/).

The U.K.-based Independent reports (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-meltdown-missed-phone-call-putin-mike-flynn-theresa-may-meeting-a9691001.html) May’s former chief of staff, Nick Timothy, described how Trump “exploded with anger” about the missed call while appearing on the “What Were They Thinking” podcast.

“Somebody just mentioned in passing that Vladimir Putin had asked for a call with him,

and right in front us he absolutely shouted down Mike Flynn,” Timothy explained.

“Like really shouted.

This was at a formal dinner with butlers and fancy crockery –

and he was properly shouting at him down the table.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/trump-exploded-with-anger-in-front-of-uk-leader-after-learning-he-missed-a-putin-phone-call-report (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/trump-exploded-with-anger-in-front-of-uk-leader-after-learning-he-missed-a-putin-phone-call-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5311&recip_id=298460&list_id=1)

[Winehole23]

deep background:


The story we wanted to tell would have gone back all the way to the start of the Bolshevik Revolution, when America and its western allies militarily intervened in the Russian Civil War on behalf of the proto-Nazi “White” Russians — putting around 15,000 “boots on the ground,” killing and imprisoning Red Army soldiers (https://email.mg1.substack.com/c/eJwlUMuOwyAM_JpyS0ReJTlw2Mv-RsTDBe8mEIHZNH-_tJUs2ZqxxuMxisDFdEmCTKxkSCtayazkojdCM8zrIwHsCjfJj qI3NIowhtfWsAyceammAebFWs31_OBi6sS0TPN96UbNhVEdO2K mVRWLEAzIGLZrPRRatklPdOTb8HXrv2ud59nmHcnnGFCFXbnWx L0SHjNVj3V6xOQiEYTGxuK8jlduTh-bqm2bBzpPGFyTSs5VoDH4h1tzqtR0M19ENwpeNRjKnvecz_295 yMf5rZr4ecQ7lrOp_e3ke-ua3PRmZT5fVlgSaodMjxxg0q7VxpvvAay1r6XgHStEJTewEpKB Rh9En3_TtcBMsCZN6je0wesAS68F8vM6ikbq2aQl8pe_QP7yIw e).


But the core of the story would have focused on the 1990s, when the United States — and particularly the Clinton Administration — intervened in Russia’s domestic affairs to such a profound degree that the word “meddling” doesn’t begin to describe it, at least in the way that people like Rachel Maddow think of “meddling.” It was more of a top-down, colonial relationship between a conquering superpower, and a weak, defeated vassal state. And that’s exactly what Russia was back then: a colonized state.


How totally subservient was Russia to America? Well, consider this: Thanks to recently declassified presidential transcripts, we know that in 1999 Boris Yeltsin called up Bill Clinton to tell him that Vladimir Putin would be his hand-picked presidential successor months before anyone in Russia knew, and all but asked Clinton for his nod of approval.
https://yasha.substack.com/p/america-and-russia-in-the-1990s-this-096

[Winehole23]

“We created a virtual open shop for thievery at a national level and for capital flight in terms of hundreds of billions of dollars, and the raping of natural resources and industries on a scale which I doubt has ever taken place in human history.”
—E. Wayne Merry, a U.S. Embassy official in Moscow during the 1990s.

[Spurs Homer]

deep background:

https://yasha.substack.com/p/america-and-russia-in-the-1990s-this-096


propaganda?

[Winehole23]

propaganda?Yasha Levine is a Russian expat. He wrote a really cool book called "Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet."

(https://www.amazon.com/Surveillance-Valley-Military-History-Internet/dp/1610398025)Would you kindly point out which claims in the article you're taking issue with? Or do you dismiss the whole thing sight unseen because Levine was born in the Soviet Union?

Did you happen do know it is somewhat dangerous to be a Jewish political satirist in Putin's Russia?

[Spurs Homer]

Yasha Levine is a Russian expat. He wrote a really cool book called "Surveillance Valley: The Secret Military History of the Internet."

(https://www.amazon.com/Surveillance-Valley-Military-History-Internet/dp/1610398025)Would you kindly point out which claims in the article you're taking issue with? Or do you dismiss the whole thing sight unseen because Levine was born in the Soviet Union?

Did you happen do know it is somewhat dangerous to be a Jewish political satirist in Putin's Russia?

nope

i had no issue with any particular thing - but i was asking if this is propaganda or is it fact based or vetted

i had never heard of this source

so no issue until i can research but it didnt ring really true to me but i would rather research that source

[Winehole23]

nope

i had no issue with any particular thing - but i was asking if this is propaganda or is it fact based or vetted

i had never heard of this source

so no issue until i can research but it didnt ring really true to me but i would rather research that sourceGo for it.

[boutons_deux]

Trump whines about ‘the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative’ — and lashes out at Congress as ‘deranged lowlifes’

Trump has received harsh criticism (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/the-fix-is-in-internet-hits-the-panic-button-after-trump-intel-head-refuses-to-meet-with-dems-on-election-security/) after Director of National Intelligence John Radcliffe informed Congress that the intelligence community would no longer hold briefing sessions on foreign election interference in the 2020 presidential campaign.

Trump accused Democrats of “leaking” information on Russian’s interference in the 2020 election to help Trump. :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/trump-whines-about-the-russia-russia-russia-narrative-and-lashes-out-at-congress-as-deranged-lowlifes/

[Spurs Homer]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/politics/trump-russia-investigation-rod-rosenstein/index.html


Didn’t I try to tell this exact thing to comrade TSA?
Didn’t I sound the warning that trump was installed by Russia?

Didn’t I point out that in the Mueller report It was thinly disguised that Rosenstein tied Muellers hands?

Didn’t I say over and over and over again that Mueller report is still under a cover up and that Barr/Rosenstein protected trump and tied muellers hands and that ONLY when a new LEGIT administration is in place can we see the entirety of trumps treason?


Trump is an illegitimate traitor puppet and the truth is starting to come out even though many are working to cover it up.


This news is just the tip of the treasonous black iceberg.

[Winehole23]

Kelly dropped a dime on Trump...


...too late to make any difference.

1300178288640487424

[Winehole23]

DOJ kept McCabe in the dark about counterintelligence concerns related to Trump's longtime dealings with Russia, and limited the scope of its own investigation.


Mr. Rosenstein never told Mr. McCabe about his decision, leaving the F.B.I. with the impression that the special counsel would take on the investigation into the president as part of his broader duties. Mr. McCabe said in an interview that had he known Mr. Mueller would not continue the inquiry, he would have had the F.B.I. perform it.


“We opened this case in May 2017 because we had information that indicated a national security threat might exist, specifically a counterintelligence threat involving the president and Russia,” Mr. McCabe said. “I expected that issue and issues related to it would be fully examined by the special counsel team. If a decision was made not to investigate those issues, I am surprised and disappointed. I was not aware of that.”
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/former-intel-officials-thought-mueller-was-investigating-trumps-personal-and-financial-ties-to-russia-he-wasnt/

[Spurs Homer]

DOJ kept McCabe in the dark about counterintelligence concerns related to Trump's longtime dealings with Russia, and limited the scope of its own investigation.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/08/former-intel-officials-thought-mueller-was-investigating-trumps-personal-and-financial-ties-to-russia-he-wasnt/


just like ive been saying - when people tried to say “mueller found no collusion/conspiracy”

or worse

”there was no evidence that trump team conspired”

because if you read the Mueller report closely (even with all the illicit redactions) you can gather that Mueller did what he could

but not interviewing trump, trump jr, getting the tax /financial records, etc

was just wrong - something was rotten in denmark

and by observing barr and rosensteins actions

one could surmise that mueller was not allowed to do a proper CI investigation

of course- the evil and very wily and clever barr could convince idiots like TSA with fancy declarations like
”mueller was never denied a request or a document”

sure

you just had to make sure mueller was put in his place and made it clear that his narrow mandate was followed to a T

and this would protect trumps treason




for now

[Winehole23]

Endgame approaching

1300468390541373447

[spurraider21]

I still don’t think it’s that unlikely Sullivan will end up granting the dismissal. This writ was just procedurally bizarre. Was pretty stunned it was initially granted.

If sullivan denies the motion to dismiss, that would be ripe for appeal

[ChumpDumper]

Endgame approaching

1300468390541373447Looks like Undercover Gleeson gets to testify.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Egwxb12X0AMamy8?format=jpg&name=medium

[spurraider21]

^bingo

[TSA]

That welshing faggot djohn2oo8 is lurking under his Michael Jordan alt :rollin

[Spurs Homer]

That welshing faggot djohn2oo8 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14870) is lurking under his Michael Jordan alt :rollin


Looks like he doesnt owe you shit - since Rosenstein and Barr tied Muellers hands and did NOT allow him to pursue a Counter-Intelligence investigation -


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/polit...ein/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/politics/trump-russia-investigation-rod-rosenstein/index.html)



but you dont care that your hero is a Russian asset anyway.

[TSA]

Looks like he doesnt owe you shit - since Rosenstein and Barr tied Muellers hands and did NOT allow him to pursue a Counter-Intelligence investigation -


https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/polit...ein/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/politics/trump-russia-investigation-rod-rosenstein/index.html)



but you dont care that your hero is a Russian asset anyway.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1300240891450404866

that faggot owes me $2000

[Reck]

TSA is having a bad week.

[Winehole23]

1300486474094313475

[boutons_deux]

"Rosenstein concluded the F.B.I. lacked sufficient reason to conduct an investigation into the president’s links to a foreign adversary.”

obviously, Repug Rosenstein make a POLITICAL decision to protect Trash, rather than legal decision. The smoke was everywhere, Rosy said there is no fire.

[Spurs Homer]

"Rosenstein concluded the F.B.I. lacked sufficient reason to conduct an investigation into the president’s links to a foreign adversary.”

obviously, Repug Rosenstein make a POLITICAL decision to protect Trash, rather than legal decision. The smoke was everywhere, Rosy said there is no fire.




Cover up of national security implications...

Rosenstein, Barr and Trump are traitors who sided with Russia.

It will come out eventually- you cannot make an FBI Counter-Intelligence investigation vanish completely...


it tells me that Russia and Putin will absolutely get trump re-installed again as our own FBI traitors made Putins wishes come true and are working for team russia.

[boutons_deux]

As election ticks closer, Barr purges yet another Justice official without explanation (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/31/1973922/-As-election-ticks-closer-Barr-purges-yet-another-Justice-official-without-explanation)

Barr has removed (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/barrs-removal-career-national-security-official-weeks-election/story?id=72726426) Deputy Assistant Attorney General Brad Wiegmann, a career employee in the National Security Division

Wiegmann's office "helps ensure federal counterterrorism and counterintelligence activities are legal,"

an oversight office reining in other government departments that attempt to overstep their legal bounds.

Now he's been booted, replaced by new political appointee Kellen Dwyer.

another bizarre move that just happens to be the thing you'd do if you were trying to

1) protect Donald Trump from government investigations or

2) force government investigations against Trump's opponents.

The Trump-Barr purge of government officials has focused heavily on oversight officials,

many of whom were investigating whether individual actions by Trump or one of his allies broke federal laws.

consistent with an existing pattern of removing oversight officials in positions to identify and call out that corruption.

If Trump loses the election,

how many federal investigations will a reformed government have to undertake

just to get to the bottom of half of Team Trump's strange and unexplained actions?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/31/1973922/-As-election-ticks-closer-Barr-purges-yet-another-Justice-official-without-explanation (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/8/31/1973922/-As-election-ticks-closer-Barr-purges-yet-another-Justice-official-without-explanation)

If Obama had done this .... ?

[ElNono]

TSA we have victory! :lol


:lol there’s bump material for years in this thread

:lol hold that thought for a bit.

Looks like Sullivan was right after all, now he needs to dismiss and we'll see if there's anything else in there.

[ElNono]

I still don’t think it’s that unlikely Sullivan will end up granting the dismissal. This writ was just procedurally bizarre. Was pretty stunned it was initially granted.

If sullivan denies the motion to dismiss, that would be ripe for appeal

Just righting a wrong. It was clear the 3 panel judges were jumping the gun on granting the writ when sullivan hasn't rules yet.

[ElNono]

Looks like Undercover Gleeson gets to testify.

Not necessarily...

Although this certainly sends Techn:lol F:lolg back to det drawing board.

[Winehole23]

lot of rigamorole just to deny the judge a soapbox, even though he's likely to grant the dismissal.

[ElNono]

Full order here:
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Flynn-cadc-eb.pdf

[ElNono]

lot of rigamorole just to deny the judge a soapbox, even though he's likely to grant the dismissal.

tired of winning...

[boutons_deux]

Rao typifies the trash people that Trash/McConnell/Leonard Leo pollute the Federal judiciary with

Neomi Rao:

D.C. Circuit Subjected Michael Flynn to an ‘Inquisition,’

Allowed Emmet Sullivan’s ‘Unlawful Incursions’

Circuit Judge Neomi Rao, a conservative who was appointed by President Donald Trumpin March 2019 (https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/home.nsf/Content/VL+-+Judges+-+NJR), sharply and unsurprisingly dissented from the decision, just as she did when penning the opinion for a three-judge D.C. Circuit panel in June (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-appointed-judge-pens-majority-opinion-forcing-emmet-sullivan-to-dismiss-michael-flynn-case/).

criticized the majority for permitting U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan’s “unlawful incursions on the Executive Branch.”

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/neomi-rao-d-c-circuit-subjected-michael-flynn-to-an-inquisition-allowed-emmet-sullivans-unlawful-incursions/

[boutons_deux]

In ‘Stunning’ 2-1 Decision,

Appeals Court Says

Congress Can’t Enforce Subpoena Against Ex-WH Counsel Don McGahn

ruled that the U.S. House of Representatives does not have any legal authority to enforce a subpoena against former White House counsel Don McGahn.

“Congress has no implied constitutional power to seek civil enforcement of its subpoenas.

The Committee thus cannot identify an underlying judicial remedy that could authorize it to invoke the Declaratory Judgment Act,” Griffith wrote.

“Because the Committee lacks a cause of action to enforce its subpoena, this lawsuit must be dismissed.”

Notably, Griffith is soon to be replaced on the court (https://lawandcrime.com/judiciary/senate-confirms-brett-kavanaughs-former-law-clerk-to-appellate-court-currently-considering-michael-flynn-case/) by Donald Trump appointee and staunch conservative U.S. District Judge Justin Walker.

University of Texas law professor Steve Vladeck called the decision “stunning,” saying he expected the issue to be appealed and taken up by the court’s full panel of judges

(the full D.C. Circuit rejected (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/full-d-c-circuit-court-rejects-michael-flynns-emergency-petition-for-immediate-dismissal-of-criminal-case/)Michael Flynn’s emergency petition for a writ of mandamus on Monday).

The panel’s conclusion, which essentially declares that Congress lacks the statutory authority to seek enforcement of a subpoena, is likely to again be taken up by the full D.C. Circuit.

House investigators characterized McGahn’s knowledge of White House decisions as crucial to what special counsel Robert Mueller described as potential obstruction of justice.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) also claimed that

the president and his closest advisors are entitled to absolute immunity from such requests

and that “subjecting a senior presidential advisor to the congressional subpoena power would be akin to requiring the president himself to appear before Congress.”

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/in-stunning-2-1-decision-appeals-court-says-congress-cant-enforce-subpoena-against-ex-wh-counsel-don-mcgahn/

America is fucked and unfuckable

iow, Barr's "unitary executive" defines the President and his staff as an autocracy, beyond reach of Congress.

[ElNono]

In ‘Stunning’ 2-1 Decision,

Appeals Court Says

Congress Can’t Enforce Subpoena Against Ex-WH Counsel Don McGahn

ruled that the U.S. House of Representatives does not have any legal authority to enforce a subpoena against former White House counsel Don McGahn.

“Congress has no implied constitutional power to seek civil enforcement of its subpoenas.

The Committee thus cannot identify an underlying judicial remedy that could authorize it to invoke the Declaratory Judgment Act,” Griffith wrote.

“Because the Committee lacks a cause of action to enforce its subpoena, this lawsuit must be dismissed.”

Notably, Griffith is soon to be replaced on the court (https://lawandcrime.com/judiciary/senate-confirms-brett-kavanaughs-former-law-clerk-to-appellate-court-currently-considering-michael-flynn-case/) by Donald Trump appointee and staunch conservative U.S. District Judge Justin Walker.

University of Texas law professor Steve Vladeck called the decision “stunning,” saying he expected the issue to be appealed and taken up by the court’s full panel of judges

(the full D.C. Circuit rejected (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/full-d-c-circuit-court-rejects-michael-flynns-emergency-petition-for-immediate-dismissal-of-criminal-case/)Michael Flynn’s emergency petition for a writ of mandamus on Monday).

The panel’s conclusion, which essentially declares that Congress lacks the statutory authority to seek enforcement of a subpoena, is likely to again be taken up by the full D.C. Circuit.

House investigators characterized McGahn’s knowledge of White House decisions as crucial to what special counsel Robert Mueller described as potential obstruction of justice.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) also claimed that

the president and his closest advisors are entitled to absolute immunity from such requests

and that “subjecting a senior presidential advisor to the congressional subpoena power would be akin to requiring the president himself to appear before Congress.”

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/in-stunning-2-1-decision-appeals-court-says-congress-cant-enforce-subpoena-against-ex-wh-counsel-don-mcgahn/

America is fucked and unfuckable

iow, Barr's "unitary executive" defines the President and his staff as an autocracy, beyond reach of Congress.

Well, not really. In this particular case, there's a clear separation of powers problem. This likely borders on Executive Privilege, which I'll be surprised if the administration didn't invoke yet.

Ultimately the problem here would be the lack of independence of the DOJ, and that's certainly troublesome. However, administrations change, and information eventually surfaces.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1301580271419039746?s=19

[boutons_deux]

Well, not really. In this particular case, there's a clear separation of powers problem. This likely borders on Executive Privilege, which I'll be surprised if the administration didn't invoke yet.

Ultimately the problem here would be the lack of independence of the DOJ, and that's certainly troublesome. However, administrations change, and information eventually surfaces.

we will see, if those goes en banc.

Does executive privilege block Congress from investigating the Exec for crimes?