Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[TSA]

you're the broken record who keeps laughing because collusion isn't being mentioned in this trial. of course not, this trial was never about collusion. thats a really retarded thing to point out.

and if podesta gets indicted for failing to register as a foreign agent, it would be really stupid if i kept saying "LOL not mention of pizzagate in this whole case"

Which trial is about collusion?

[Pavlov]

What is Mueller investigating Pavlov?https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

[dabom]

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:lmao no wonder Trump losing his shit

But my weed case took years!! :lol

[RandomGuy]

I'm not sure he'll ever go back to the unauthorized walnut sauce missile launch thread.

???

[TSA]

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;


Do you think Mueller is just sitting on all the evidence of election collusion or do you think Mueller hasn’t found any evidence of election collusion?

[Pavlov]

???The Qanon thread. TSA believes he's real and close to Trump so he has to believe there was a missile launch in Puget Sound last month because reasons and that "walnut sauce" is a code phrase pedophiles use for...something....

[Pavlov]

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;


Do you think Mueller is just sitting on all the evidence of election collusion or do you think Mueller hasn’t found any evidence of election collusion?I don't know. We're usually 4-6 months behind Mueller. You certainly have failed to predict anything he has done.

So has Q btw.

lol

[spurraider21]

What is Mueller investigating?
potential collusion... and any matter arising from the investigation. which is why Judge Ellis (who you thought rejected Mueller :lol) has allowed this trial to proceed, even though they are not alleging anything collusion related.

[spurraider21]

(i) any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;


Do you think Mueller is just sitting on all the evidence of election collusion or do you think Mueller hasn’t found any evidence of election collusion?
:lol leaving out ii and iii

[Pavlov]

potential collussion... and any matter arising from the investigation. which is why Judge Ellis (who you thought rejected Mueller :lol) has allowed this trial to proceed, even though they are not alleging anything collusion related.:lmao TSA was so excited when Ellis said things.

[TSA]

The Qanon thread. TSA believes he's real and close to Trump so he has to believe there was a missile launch in Puget Sound last month because reasons and that "walnut sauce" is a code phrase pedophiles use for...something....

Disinformation is necessary. And looks like you now follow Q more closely than I do :rollin

[spurraider21]

"highly respected judge"
"judge ellis who is reall something very special i hear from many standpoints"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFWoAE_Gc2Q

[TSA]

:lol leaving out ii and iii

My question had nothing to do with ii and iii

And since you quoted it

Do you think Mueller is just sitting on all the evidence of election collusion or do you think Mueller hasn’t found any evidence of election collusion?

[spurraider21]

Disinformation is necessary. Cosmored

[spurraider21]

My question had nothing to do with ii and iii

And since you quoted it

Do you think Mueller is just sitting on all the evidence of election collusion or do you think Mueller hasn’t found any evidence of election collusion?
i dont know. it's possible he doesnt have evidence of collusion against manafort

[Pavlov]

Disinformation is necessary.For what?

Explain why lying about missile launches and pedophile walnut sauce is necessary, TSA.

[TSA]

i dont know. it's possible he doesnt have evidence of collusion against manafort

But Steele said Manafort was colluding with Russian officials during the election.

[TSA]

For what?

Explain why lying about missile launches and pedophile walnut sauce is necessary, TSA.

The answers you seek are in the thread you claim to not care about but spend so much time in.

[Pavlov]

The answers you seek are in the thread you claim to not care about but spend so much time in.You posted your explanation about necessary walnut sauce missile disinformation there?

Link.

[spurraider21]

But Steele said Manafort was colluding with Russian officials during the election.
and its quite possible that mueller has not independently corroborated that claim

[djohn2oo8]

I don't know. We're usually 4-6 months behind Mueller. You certainly have failed to predict anything he has done.

So has Q btw.

lolFunny how he thinks Mueller is has made public everything he knows :lol

[Reck]

The Qanon thread. TSA believes he's real and close to Trump so he has to believe there was a missile launch in Puget Sound last month because reasons and that "walnut sauce" is a code phrase pedophiles use for...something....

I remember that picture he posted of a fake Air Force one. Lol good times.

[Pavlov]

I remember that picture he posted of a fake Air Force one. Lol good times.:rollin He was so smug about that.

:cryOh, det was disinformation! It's necessary!:cry

[RandomGuy]

Which trial is about collusion?

All of them, essentially. They arose in the investigation initiated to ferret that out.

[djohn2oo8]

:rollin He was so smug about that.

:cryOh, det was disinformation! It's necessary!:cry
:lol

[TSA]

You posted your explanation about necessary walnut sauce missile disinformation there?

Link.

I don’t need to explain, but you could find an explanation if you looked in that thread. You done trying to derail this thread?

[TSA]

All of them, essentially. They arose in the investigation initiated to ferret that out.

Which trial is specifically about election collusion?

[Pavlov]

I don’t need to explain, but you could find an explanation if you looked in that thread. I asked for your explanation why fake missile pedo walnut sauce is necessary.

You made the claim. Back it up.


You done trying to derail this thread?I said you're afraid to go back to the Q thread.

Thanks for the confirmation!

[TSA]

and its quite possible that mueller has not independently corroborated that claim

But Steele is credible, the FBI vouched for him time and time again. After this long how could Mueller not corroborate that claim?

[TSA]

I asked for your explanation why fake missile pedo walnut sauce is necessary.

You made the claim. Back it up.

I said you're afraid to go back to the Q thread.

Thanks for the confirmation!

I never made the claim, Q said disinformation is neccesary. No different than the Cohen in Prague story you said wasn’t your claim.

[Pavlov]

I never made the claim, Q said disinformation is neccesary. No different than the Cohen in Prague story you said wasn’t your claim.Do you think disinformation is necessary for Q?

Yes or no.

[TSA]

Do you think disinformation is necessary for Q?

Yes or no.

Sure.

You done derailing this thread?

[RandomGuy]

The Qanon thread. TSA believes he's real and close to Trump so he has to believe there was a missile launch in Puget Sound last month because reasons and that "walnut sauce" is a code phrase pedophiles use for...something....

Wow.... I have no words.

[djohn2oo8]

Wow.... I have no words.
lol

[Pavlov]

Sure.Why?

[RandomGuy]

Which trial is specifically about election collusion?

I see where you are going.

In the interest of intellectual honesty: None of them yet are specifically about that.

I see you have shifted to "there isn't a crime" from "there isn't any collution" from "there weren't any meetings". :lol

Good boy.

Is Mueller finished?

[TSA]

I see where you are going.

In the interest of intellectual honesty: None of them yet are specifically about that.

I see you have shifted to "there isn't a crime" from "there isn't any collution" from "there weren't any meetings". :lol

Good boy.

Is Mueller finished?

No Mueller isn’t finished and nothing has shifted. There was never election collusion to begin with. At some point you’ll have to admit this.

[TSA]

Why?

Question pending.

You done detailing this thread?

[RandomGuy]

No Mueller isn’t finished and nothing has shifted. There was never election collusion to begin with. At some point you’ll have to admit this.

Mueller is indeed not finished. I think we have the broad outlines of collusion now. Once the specifics come out, that will be undeniable.

Mueller is good, and waaay ahead of your cult leader, who is arguably losing his mind.

[Pavlov]

Question pending.

You done detailing this thread?Q posts about the Russia investigation all the time, TSA, so your premise is false.

Why do you believe Qanon needs to use disinformation like walnut sauce pedo code and Puget Sound missile launches?

[RandomGuy]

No Mueller isn’t finished and nothing has shifted. There was never election collusion to begin with. At some point you’ll have to admit this.

but hey, just so we are straight, provide a working definition of what you mean by "collusion"

[Winehole23]

No Mueller isn’t finished and nothing has shifted. There was never election collusion to begin with. At some point you’ll have to admit this.it's quite possible that the Mueller investigation will end without (Russian related) conspiracy charges against anyone.

[djohn2oo8]

it's quite possible that the Mueller investigation will end without (Russian related) conspiracy charges against anyone.
Lucky for us that isn't how it's ending.

[TSA]

it's quite possible that the Mueller investigation will end without (Russian related) conspiracy charges against anyone.

It’s not just possible, it was a given from the start.

[djohn2oo8]

It’s not just possible, it was a given from the start.
So why doesn't Trump just declassify documents to prove his innocence?

[djohn2oo8]

You also said Hillary Clinton eats ded babies

[TSA]

You also said Hillary Clinton eats ded babies

I’ll bet you another $2000 I never said that.

[Winehole23]

Lucky for us that isn't how it's ending.How do you know?

[TSA]

So why doesn't Trump just declassify documents to prove his innocence?

He will. Just like he gave the okay to declassify and release the Page FISA application. Trump is timing maximum damage right before the midterms.

[Winehole23]

It’s not just possible, it was a given from the start.Given regarding DJT, I agree. Mueller won't charge the president.

I'm somewhat less sure than you about everyone else.

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

He will. Just like he gave the okay to declassify and release the Page FISA application. Trump is timing maximum damage right before the midterms.So it's just politics?

:lmao

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLEchPZm318#

[spurraider21]

important stuff

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

1024774065075175424Great, show us the exoneration order that Rosenstein apparently was able to issue.

[TSA]

So it's just politics?

:lmao

The entire Trump/Russia election collusion story has been just politics.

[Chris]

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[spurraider21]

:lmao

[Pavlov]

The entire Trump/Russia election collusion story has been just politics.Oh? Explain your conspiracy theory.

[Pavlov]

:lmao"I'm a tweeter. I can say whatever I want as long as I adhere to Twitter's terms of service."

[spurraider21]

:lmao "i believe he was being used as a middleman"
:lmao "it could be he was being used by other people"
:lmao "if i'm right there is a counter counter intelligence sting"

[spurraider21]

:lmao picture of jeff sessions smiling means he must be up to a secret plot!

[Pavlov]

:lmao "i believe he was being used as a middleman"
:lmao "it could be he was being used by other people"
:lmao "if i'm right there is a counter counter intelligence sting":lol these anonymous twitter dudes need to find a way to monetize their shit. They've got Chris and TSA latched on to their balls like barnacles on a ship.

[TSA]

:lol these anonymous twitter dudes need to find a way to monetize their shit. They've got Chris and TSA latched on to their balls like barnacles on a ship.

:lol says the guy latched on to Chris and TSA’s balls.

[Chris]

:lol says the guy latched on to Chris and TSA’s balls.

:lmao

[Pavlov]

:lol says the guy latched on to Chris and TSA’s balls.

Damn you're really bitter about my mocking you and your stupid ass conspiracy theories.

[Isitjustme?]

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[Chris]

:cry Hillary did nothing wrong! :cry

[ElNono]

it's quite possible that the Mueller investigation will end without (Russian related) conspiracy charges against anyone.


It’s not just possible, it was a given from the start.


Given regarding DJT, I agree. Mueller won't charge the president.

I'm somewhat less sure than you about everyone else.

There's a disconnect in this exchange. I don't think WH is saying Mueller won't find evidence of collusion (and I think that's what TSA is alluding to), but that he won't actually charge the president with the crime (which is another can of worms).

I would concur that whatever evidence Mueller finds will end up in a report to Congress, who might or might not make it public when it matters, and might or might not act to impeach (again, a political, not judicial process).

Even if Manafort is not being charged with collusion, that doesn't rule out that Mueller doesn't have evidence of collusion (or that 'he's sitting on it'). He simply feels he has a strong enough case for this particular trial with the current charges.

He could very well be still developing information on the primary investigative target, and trials like these might also yield additional information through plea deals, discovery, etc.

One thing that's been pretty clear from the get go is that Mueller and his team run a pretty tight-lipped ship. Adventuring what might come out, information-wise, as a result of his investigation, is more of an exercise in wishful thinking than anything else.

When the Prez was elected, I prognosticated he would finish his term, and I don't particularly think that outlook has changed. The only thing that could put a dent on that is Democrats winning both chambers of Congress in the next mid-terms (definitely not a given).

Then, *IF* the Mueller investigation does uncover some gross criminal behavior (also not a given), there would be, at least, the political power and momentum to actually go through an impeachment process.

I think, looking at this situation today, the odds are still fairly largely in Trump's favor (even if he indeed colluded). But America loves drama, so sit back and enjoy the show.

[boutons_deux]

Trump's lawyers updated him on the Mueller investigation. Then Trump tweeted.


On Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning, Trump's lawyers updated him by phone on the latest developments, one person familiar with the matter told CNN.

That included Mueller's latest proposal to secure an interview with Trump (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-robert-mueller-interview/index.html),

which was delivered on Tuesday.

Trump tweeted at Sessions hours after being updated by his legal team.

Trump's tweet that

his attorney general "should stop" the probe is notable and

raises fresh questions about whether the President is attempting to obstruct justice.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-russia-jeff-sessions-mueller/index.html?ncid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail_ _080218

So Trash gets the BAD NEWS from his so-called "lawyers" then orders JeBo to fire Mueller.

btw, Mueller CANNOT publish a public report.

His mandate requires that his report to go only to Congress.

[Winehole23]

There's a disconnect in this exchange. I don't think WH is saying Mueller won't find evidence of collusion (and I think that's what TSA is alluding to), but that he won't actually charge the president with the crime (which is another can of worms).

I would concur that whatever evidence Mueller finds will end up in a report to Congress, who might or might not make it public when it matters, and might or might not act to impeach (again, a political, not judicial process).Yep


Even if Manafort is not being charged with collusion, that doesn't rule out that Mueller doesn't have evidence of collusion (or that 'he's sitting on it'). He simply feels he has a strong enough case for this particular trial with the current charges.

He could very well be still developing information on the primary investigative target, and trials like these might also yield additional information through plea deals, discovery, etc.It's actually hard to read the tea leaves, but everyone here pretends it's so easy. Prognostication is a fool's game.


When the Prez was elected, I prognosticated he would finish his term, and I don't particularly think that outlook has changed. The only thing that could put a dent on that is Democrats winning both chambers of Congress in the next mid-terms (definitely not a given).

Then, *IF* the Mueller investigation does uncover some gross criminal behavior (also not a given), there would be, at least, the political power and momentum to actually go through an impeachment process.

I think, looking at this situation today, the odds are still fairly largely in Trump's favor (even if he indeed colluded). But America loves drama, so sit back and enjoy the show.Impeachment and removal of DJT is a fairly remote possibility; the Dems should concentrate on proposing policies people want and getting voters registered for 2020. At the moment, they seem to be doing neither.

Advantage DJT

[Brazil]

There's a disconnect in this exchange. I don't think WH is saying Mueller won't find evidence of collusion (and I think that's what TSA is alluding to), but that he won't actually charge the president with the crime (which is another can of worms).

I would concur that whatever evidence Mueller finds will end up in a report to Congress, who might or might not make it public when it matters, and might or might not act to impeach (again, a political, not judicial process).

Even if Manafort is not being charged with collusion, that doesn't rule out that Mueller doesn't have evidence of collusion (or that 'he's sitting on it'). He simply feels he has a strong enough case for this particular trial with the current charges.

He could very well be still developing information on the primary investigative target, and trials like these might also yield additional information through plea deals, discovery, etc.

One thing that's been pretty clear from the get go is that Mueller and his team run a pretty tight-lipped ship. Adventuring what might come out, information-wise, as a result of his investigation, is more of an exercise in wishful thinking than anything else.

When the Prez was elected, I prognosticated he would finish his term, and I don't particularly think that outlook has changed. The only thing that could put a dent on that is Democrats winning both chambers of Congress in the next mid-terms (definitely not a given).

Then, *IF* the Mueller investigation does uncover some gross criminal behavior (also not a given), there would be, at least, the political power and momentum to actually go through an impeachment process.

I think, looking at this situation today, the odds are still fairly largely in Trump's favor (even if he indeed colluded). But America loves drama, so sit back and enjoy the show.

One of the few posts of this whole thread that makes sense tbh..

[Winehole23]

this is what the end game will probably look like vis-a-vis DJT: a confidential report from Mueller to Rosenstein that may or may not be forwarded to the US Congress and may or may not be publicly released.


Several people who have reviewed a portion of this evidence say that, based on what they know, they believe it is now all but inevitable that the special counsel will complete a confidential report presenting evidence that President Trump violated the law. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel’s work, would then decide on turning over that report to Congress for the House of Representatives to consider whether to instigate impeachment proceedings.https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/07/31/what-trump-knew-and-when-he-knew-it/

[boutons_deux]

Repugs aint gonna impeach or go 25th Amendment on a Repug Pres, and the shameless, spineless, gutless, dickless, corrupt Repugs are scared shitless of Trash's cult and how Trash will incite them to revolution for his "sad, unfair" impeachment.

iow, political power provided by the $Bs from oligarchy to the Repugs comes WAY before country or anything else, including impeaching Trash.

[baseline bum]

Yep

It's actually hard to read the tea leaves, but everyone here pretends it's so easy. Prognostication is a fool's game.

Impeachment and removal of DJT is a fairly remote possibility; the Dems should concentrate on proposing policies people want and getting voters registered for 2020. At the moment, they seem to be doing neither.

Advantage DJT

The only real chance of Trump getting impeached and removed is if the Democrats obliterate the Republicans in the midterms, eg taking the house comfortably and winning the senate while also ejecting another safe GOP seat like Cruz's. Then you might see enough GOP senators willing to dump Benedict Donald to save their hopes in 2020. But that's a pretty remote possibility IMO, based on how bad the senate map is for the DNC.

[ducks]

Manafort case judge warns Mueller team they 'can't prove conspiracy' without star witness
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/ce121911-8ba9-328d-87f9-399e02aff7d7/ss_manafort-case-judge-warns.html

[ducks]

The trial had been expected to last three weeks. But Ellis surprised the courtroom late Wednesday when he said, "I’m hoping to finish this case much sooner than anyone predicted.”

[koriwhat]

Repugs aint gonna impeach or go 25th Amendment on a Repug Pres, and the shameless, spineless, gutless, dickless, corrupt Repugs are scared shitless of Trash's cult and how Trash will incite them to revolution for his "sad, unfair" impeachment.

iow, political power provided by the $Bs from oligarchy to the Repugs comes WAY before country or anything else, including impeaching Trash.

lmao and yall claim i'm emotional and angry all the time. this "it" takes the cake for sure.

[Blake]

:madrun lmao and yall claim i'm emotional and angry all the time. this "it" takes the cake for sure :madrun.

[Chris]

lol


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[Pavlov]

lol


1025062669911502848So they have Gates appear.

Now what?

[Winehole23]

so now they'll put Gates on the stand.

it's probably a mistake to read too much into Judge Ellis's admonitions and in fact, by criticizing the prosecution's implied strategy he may have helped it.

[Pavlov]

so now they'll put Gates on the stand.

it's probably a mistake to read too much into Judge Ellis's admonitions and in fact, by criticizing the prosecution's implied strategy he may have helped it.Yep. Old man yelling at cloud isn't going to help old man evading taxes.

[Reck]

So they have Gates appear.

Now what?

I'm honestly starting to think this judge is low key trying to sabotage this trial. Ultimately Manafort is still fucked. But the way this judge has conducted himself is not good. Going back months now.

[Chris]

I'm honestly starting to think this judge is low key trying to sabotage this trial. Ultimately Manafort is still fucked. But the way this judge has conducted himself is not good. Going back months now.

:lmao

[Reck]

:lmao

Why are you laughing, Chris?

Judges going on power trips funny now?

[Pavlov]

I'm honestly starting to think this judge is low key trying to sabotage this trial. Ultimately Manafort is still fucked. But the way this judge has conducted himself is not good. Going back months now.Just another old man raging because he can. It's really getting sad.

[Chris]

Judge = raging old man trying to sabotage the trial

lol Hive Mind

[Pavlov]

Judge = raging old man trying to sabotage the trial

lol Hive MindI don't think he's trying to sabotage it. He is a raging old man tho. That can't be disputed.

[koriwhat]

...

point out where i'm wrong or keep quoting me with your gay emoticons you love so much.

[koriwhat]

Judge = raging old man trying to sabotage the trial

lol Hive Mind

he's not exactly in the pocket of libs and this is why tranny is boohooing and we all know it.

[Chris]

he's not exactly in the pocket of libs and this is why tranny is boohooing and we all know it.

They were pro Ellis just the other day. They are a fickle lot :lol

[koriwhat]

They were pro Ellis just the other day. They are a fickle lot :lol

i can understand fickle but i like to consider them all spineless losers.

[Pavlov]

They were pro Ellis just the other day. They are a fickle lot :lollol "pro Ellis"

He simply dashed your hopes for Manafort when he did his job.

[Reck]

Also Chris not knowing what "ultimately" means. :lol

This judge is screeching and hollering but it's not up to him whether Manafort is found guilty or not.

[Winehole23]

They were pro Ellis just the other day. They are a fickle lot :loleh, you'll probably be anti-Ellis too if things don't go your way.

judges will be prickly,seems to me both sides are making too much of it..

[Chris]

eh, you'll probably be anti-Ellis too if things don't go your way.

judges will be prickly,seems to me both sides are making too much of it..

What's my way?

[Pavlov]

What's my way?
Anything pro Manafort.

[Chris]

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[benefactor]

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Anything pro Manafort.
:lol

[Chris]

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[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

1025147495867998209old man yells at cloud in court

[spurraider21]

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[Reck]

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Do you want to bet your MAGA hat collection on that assumption Chris?

[Chris]

Do you want to bet your MAGA hat collection on that assumption Chris?

I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right :lmao

[spurraider21]

I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right :lmao
right about this?

864998445244743684

[Pavlov]

I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right :lmaoWhich Newt are you talking about?

He played both sides just like hater does.

[Reck]

I'm looking forward to the fallout on this forum if Newt is right :lmao

Suppose he does. Manafort has another trial to get through.

[Chris]

864998445244743684

I'm guessing this was before he read this:

https://gohmert.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398634


I'm giving Newt the benefit of the doubt on that, and saying he was clearly misinformed/uninformed at the time.

[Reck]

I'm giving Newt the benefit of the doubt.

I hope your faith is strong, Chris.

2:22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNJJ_HHfkvM

Trump is not....no one is smart enough to take on Mueller.

:lol Newt catching himself before he says what we all already know. :lol

[boutons_deux]

A Theory of Trump Kompromat

Why the President is so nice to Putin, even when Putin might not want him to be.

There is no need to assume that Trump was a formal agent of Russian intelligence to make sense of Trump’s solicitousness toward Putin.

he thinks it is likely that the President believes the Russians have something on him. “He’s never said a bad word about Putin,” Darden said. “He’s exercised a degree of self-control with respect to Russia that he doesn’t with anything else.”

kompromat is routinely used throughout the former Soviet Union to curry favor, improve negotiated outcomes, and sway opinion.

Intelligence services, businesspeople, and political figures everywhere exploit gossip and damaging information.

However, Darden argues, kompromat has a uniquely powerful role in the former Soviet Union,

where the practice is so pervasive,

he coined the term “blackmail state” to describe the way of governance.

Darden believes it is unlikely that sexual kompromat would be effective on Trump.

another common form of kompromat—proof of financial crimes—could be more politically and personally damaging.

some of these deals bear many of the warning signs of money laundering and other financial crimes.

Trump acted with impunity, conducting minimal corporate due diligence and working with people whom few other American businesspeople would consider fit partners.

If, however, someone had evidence that proved financial crimes and shared it

with, say, the special counsel, Robert Mueller (https://www.newyorker.com/tag/robert-mueller), other American law-enforcement officials, or the press,

it could significantly damage Trump’s business, his family, and his Presidency.

Ledeneva said that the key to understanding Trump’s interaction with sistema is to look at the people with whom he did business. “

Trump never dealt with anybody close to the Kremlin, close to Putin,” she said.

“Or even many Russians.”

Trump’s business deals, she told me, were with tertiary figures.

If there truly is damaging kompromat on Trump, it could well be in the hands of Trump’s business partners, or even in those of their rivals.

it is possible that there is kompromat in the hands of several different business groups in the former Soviet Union.

Each would have bits and pieces of damaging information and might have found subtle (or not so subtle (https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/a-star-of-the-trump-russia-scandal-makes-a-trolling-music-video)) ways to communicate that fact to both Trump and Putin.

Putin would likely have gathered some of that material, but he would have known that he couldn’t get everything.

each actor in sistema faces near-constant uncertainty about his status, aware that others could well destroy him.

a decade or so ago, Trump, naïve, covetous, and struggling for cash, may have laundered money for a business partner from the former Soviet Union or engaged in some other financial crime.

This placed him, unawares, squarely within sistema,

He fears there is kompromat out there—maybe a lot of it—but

he doesn’t know precisely what it is, who has it, or what might set them off.

“Under Putin, sistema has become a method for making deals among businesses, powerful players, and the people.

Business has not taken over the state, nor vice versa;

the two have merged in a union of total and seamless corruption.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/a-theory-of-trump-kompromat

"have merged in a union of total and seamless corruption"

... describes exactly the American oligarchy merged with, controlling with vast wealth, all three branches of Federal govt

[RandomGuy]

Do you want to bet your MAGA hat collection on that assumption Chris?

LOL Gingrich

[ducks]

Judge Ellis Loses Patience with Mueller Prosecutors and Ends Court
Early Over Screw-Up
https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judge-ellis-loses-all-patience-with-prosecutors-and-ends-court-early-over-major-screw-up/

[RandomGuy]

eh, you'll probably be anti-Ellis too if things don't go your way.

judges will be prickly,seems to me both sides are making too much of it..

Indeed. The guy just wants his courtroom run the way he wants it. Curmudgeons are like that. :)

The overall strength of the case against Manafort is pretty good. They have his real bank account statements, they have emails of him doctoring things, and they have what he reported both to the IRS and the banks on his applications. X =/= Y, therefore guilty. The witnesses are there merely to flesh out and corroborate those very damning bits of evidence.

Newts risible analysis aside, the odds are not good for Manafort.

[RandomGuy]

Judge Ellis Loses Patience with Mueller Prosecutors and Ends Court
Early Over Screw-Up
https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judge-ellis-loses-all-patience-with-prosecutors-and-ends-court-early-over-major-screw-up/

https://media.rbl.ms/image?u=%2F9r52uORf4V7Dsvq3oC.gif&ho=https%3A%2F%2Fi.giphy.com&s=127&h=ee80179ba6628bafdce7aba347292077ea32210caf4f6291 9d805648ca3619f5&size=980x&c=1122387100

[TSA]

Indeed. The guy just wants his courtroom run the way he wants it. Curmudgeons are like that. :)

The overall strength of the case against Manafort is pretty good. They have his real bank account statements, they have emails of him doctoring things, and they have what he reported both to the IRS and the banks on his applications. X =/= Y, therefore guilty. The witnesses are there merely to flesh out and corroborate those very damning bits of evidence.

Newts risible analysis aside, the odds are not good for Manafort.

Manafort is fucked, but what part of him being fucked ties Trump to Russian election collusion?

[djohn2oo8]

Manafort is fucked, but what part of him being fucked ties Trump to Russian election collusion?
How does Podesta tie in with Hillary going to jail?

[djohn2oo8]

Oh and the guy in charge of the campaign that conspired with Russia has everything to do with Trump.

[RandomGuy]

Manafort is fucked, but what part of him being fucked ties Trump to Russian election collusion?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/393/312/dbd.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Manafort is fucked, but what part of him being fucked ties Trump to Russian election collusion?

That is what he will be given the opportunity to give to Mueller in exchange for not being given a life sentence. Once he is convicted his accommodations will not improve.

Given there was collusion, and obviously so, to any who doesn't suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Whatever Manafort, as Trump campaign manager has on your cult leader, may buy Manafort some relief from being punished for his crimes.

[TSA]

That is what he will be given the opportunity to give to Mueller in exchange for not being given a life sentence. Once he is convicted his accommodations will not improve.

Given there was collusion, and obviously so, to any who doesn't suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Whatever Manafort, as Trump campaign manager has on your cult leader, may buy Manafort some relief from being punished for his crimes.

What was Manafort’s role in the election collusion with Russia. Provide the evidence with all relevant links.

[TSA]

How does Podesta tie in with Hillary going to jail?

A dodge and a ding in only 10 words :rollin

[djohn2oo8]

What was Manafort’s role in the election collusion with Russia. Provide the evidence with all relevant links.
Campaign manager of the campaign that is accused of colluding. :lol TSA

Can't spin that shit

[djohn2oo8]

A dodge and a ding in only 10 words :rollin
Guess you backed off your Hillary going to jail claim

[TSA]

Guess you backed off your Hillary going to jail claim

I didn’t bet $2000 on it :rollin

[djohn2oo8]

I didn’t bet $2000 on it :rollin
It makes you nervous that you aren't able to collect on it since no one is cleared :)

[djohn2oo8]

1025431653848625156

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

What was Manafort’s role in the election collusion with Russia. Provide the evidence with all relevant links.

He was the campaign Manager, and likely had a hand in the data sharing that was done. Links... go back and read. I have other things to do.

[TSA]

It makes you nervous that you aren't able to collect on it since no one is cleared :)

If I was nervous I wouldn’t have offered to double the bet dipshit :)

[RandomGuy]

If I was nervous I wouldn’t have offered to double the bet dipshit :)

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/393/312/dbd.jpg

[dabom]

1025431653848625156

:lmao

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

If I was nervous I wouldn’t have offered to double the bet dipshit :)
That's exactly what nervous, jittery people do. They keep gambling after they got their ass kicked 10,000 times by the house.

[TSA]

He was the campaign Manager, and likely had a hand in the data sharing that was done. Links... go back and read. I have other things to do.

You said it was a given. Look how fast you walked that back when pressed lol.

You’re unhinged RG. I don’t know if you’ll ever recover.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao
The "my client too stupid to commit a crime" defense. Hell it almost works for Team Trump

[TSA]

That's exactly what nervous, jittery people do. They keep gambling after they got their ass kicked 10,000 times by the house.

The bet isn’t complete. No one has lost anything. You aren’t making any sense.

[djohn2oo8]

The bet isn’t complete. No one has lost anything. You aren’t making any sense.
You keep trying to up the bet because you have lost many other bets here, in this forum. That's why you are under a different moniker. lol

Also, 99% of your conspiracies are dead.

[TSA]

You keep trying to up the bet because you have lost many other bets here, in this forum. That's why you are under a different moniker. lol

Also, 99% of your conspiracies are dead.

I keep trying to up the bet because I’m 100% sure it’s a winner.

[djohn2oo8]

I keep trying to up the bet because I’m 100% sure it’s a winner.
Susan Rice laughs.

[TSA]

Susan Rice laughs.

I didn’t bet $2000 Susan Rice would be indicted :rollin

[djohn2oo8]

I didn’t bet $2000 Susan Rice would be indicted :rollin
You did say this thread would go down as the all time biggest fail when Susan Rice would be the only one indicted. Seems that was wrong. Keep bringing up the 2000 you now cannot collect on. And will owe me. Better not pay in monopoly money either.

[TSA]

You did say this thread would go down as the all time biggest fail when Susan Rice would be the only one indicted. Seems that was wrong. Keep bringing up the 2000 you now cannot collect on. And will owe me. Better not pay in monopoly money either.

This thread will still be the all time biggest fail when no Trump goes to prison and you pay me 2 grand. You’ll be the biggest failure in the history of Spurstalk.

[Spurminator]

Betting is retarded. If your belief can't stand on its own it's not worth anything. It's a cowardly attempt to make the argument about personal stakes instead of its own merit.

[TSA]

:lol crying about betting on a sports forum

[Spurminator]

:lol crying about betting on a sports forum

Nobody's crying. I'm calling you retarded.

[TSA]

Nobody's crying. I'm calling you retarded.

Retarded for betting? Have you ever placed a bet in your life?

[TSA]

And if you’re calling me retarded for betting against Trump going to prison what does that make djohn? :lmao

[Spurminator]

Retarded for betting? Have you ever placed a bet in your life?

Sure, plenty of times, where bets are typically placed. It's not the fact that you placed a bet that's retarded, it's where you're placing it and how often you keep returning to it. Its lazy and uninteresting.

No one's going to be impressed if you win $2,000 off djohn. While he has objectively been right about more than you have, almost everyone here seems to agree he's way too confident about where all of this is leading. I don't think Trump is going to prison either. I'm content to be validated by that eventual reality.

Ultimately all anyone sees here is the two of you going "Nuh uh! Wanna bet?" It's retarded.

[TSA]

Sure, plenty of times, where bets are typically placed. It's not the fact that you placed a bet that's retarded, it's where you're placing it and how often you keep returning to it. Its lazy and uninteresting.

No one's going to be impressed if you win $2,000 off djohn. While he has objectively been right about more than you have, almost everyone here seems to agree he's way too confident about where all of this is leading. I don't think Trump is going to prison either. I'm content to be validated by that eventual reality.

Ultimately all anyone sees here is the two of you going "Nuh uh! Wanna bet?" It's retarded.

:lol you were crying about betting

If you don’t want to see djohn and I discussing our bet in djohn’s thread that the bet was made in than put me on ignore you fucking pussy

[Pavlov]

:lol you were crying about betting

If you don’t want to see djohn and I discussing our bet in djohn’s thread that the bet was made in than put me on ignore you fucking pussyWhat about the bet needs to be discussed at this point?

[RandomGuy]

You said it was a given. Look how fast you walked that back when pressed lol.

You’re unhinged RG. I don’t know if you’ll ever recover.

Not walking it back in the slightest. [edit, sure, I'll hash it] I am pretty sure that there was some serious coordination going on, mainly data sharing between Trump campaign and Russias hackers and disinfo efforts.

[RandomGuy]

You said it was a given. Look how fast you walked that back when pressed lol.

You’re unhinged RG. I don’t know if you’ll ever recover.

So we have:

A Trump campaign, with a large number of people with connections of one sort to Russia.
Russian efforts clearly designed to help Trump. Putin admitted as much, as this is fully corroborated by US intelligence.
Multiple accounts of "back channels" being discussed.
Strategy meetings, and meetings about meetings.
Trump calling directly in a presser for help from hackers.

All of which suggests an ongoing effort.
What could be done?

Russian disinformation campaigns would find a great deal of value in voter information, especially the kind that might be had in GOP databases. The link here would be Cambridge Analytica.

The theft of DNC data analytics in late September, followed almost immediately by a radical campaign pivot on the part of the Trump campaign in early October indicates a possibility that the information stolen was given to the campaign, which acted on what they were given by campaigning in the very states that ultimately won him the election.

The incompetent flailing campaign won 3 states by a margin total of 77,000 votes after this shift, winning the electoral college, despite losing popular totals by more than 3M.

[TSA]

What about the bet needs to be discussed at this point?

Whatever I feel like. You litter this board with more useless posts than anyone else here so your question is laughable.

[djohn2oo8]

1025441225698996224

FBI with the troll game

[TSA]

Not walking it back in the slightest. [edit, sure, I'll hash it] I am pretty sure that there was some serious coordination going on, mainly data sharing between Trump campaign and Russias hackers and disinfo efforts.

And you claimed Manafort was behind it all, much like Steele claimed. So why isn’t Manafort being charged for any of it?

[Chris]

1025441225698996224

FBI with the troll game

So the FBI is trolling? Do you think it's funny that it is 100% redacted?

[TSA]

So we have:

A Trump campaign, with a large number of people with connections of one sort to Russia.Name the people and the "sort" of connection to Russia.


Russian efforts clearly designed to help Trump. Putin admitted as much, as this is fully corroborated by US intelligence.Which efforts specifically were designed to help Trump? The troll farms were simply to sow discord on both sides.


Multiple accounts of "back channels" being discussed.If they were already colluding why would a back channel be needed? Or are you talking about the post-election back channel? And again, why would that be needed after the election?


Strategy meetings, and meetings about meetings. What strategy meetings? Be specific in how the relate to election collusion.


Trump calling directly in a presser for help from hackers. You can't be serious with this can you?

[RandomGuy]

Trump's use of Cambridge Analytica data mining:

t’s well-known that in June 2016, Jared Kushner hired the data mining firm at the behest of Steve Bannon, a former vice president of Cambridge Analytica. Within two months, the Trump campaign had 13 full-time Cambridge Analytica employees on the campaign’s payroll.

“We found that Facebook and digital targeting were the most effective ways to reach the audiences. After the primary, we started ramping up because we knew that doing a national campaign is different than doing a primary campaign,” Kushner told Forbes magazine following the election. “That was when we formalized the system because we had to ramp up for digital fundraising. We brought in Cambridge Analytica.”

https://hillreporter.com/trump-appears-to-brag-about-using-cambridge-analytica-data-2228

June 2016 was when CA was hired.

Russian efforts mimic this rather closely, in both timing and content. I think Manafort's contacts during the time the Russians were propping up Yanakovich were actively coordinating their efforts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/business/russian-ads-facebook-targeting/?utm_term=.a4095e78edb3

[RandomGuy]

Trump calling directly in a presser for help from hackers.

[QUOTE=TSA;9500394
You can't be serious with this can you?[/QUOTE]

"Russia if you are listening"

You want the footage? Look it the fuck up yourself.

[Pavlov]

Whatever I feel like. You litter this board with more useless posts than anyone else here so your question is laughable.So nothing at all about the bet needs to be discussed.

Make a muh bet thread.

[RandomGuy]

Which efforts specifically were designed to help Trump? The troll farms were simply to sow discord on both sides.


Putin said, rather clearly, in the press conference he had a clear preference, and ordered officials to help.

You can look up the footage of that yourself as well.

[RandomGuy]

Name the people and the "sort" of connection to Russia.

Trump himself, likely from the money laundering that he had been doing for Russian Mafiosi for a good decade or so, for starters.
If you want some links on that, it isn't hard to find.

Page's meetings. Manaforts contacts from his time with Yanakovich, the Russians financing Flynn's firm for Turkey, etc, etc, etc.

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/676d3f2/2147483647/resize/658x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F0d%2Fe9%2 F44fe308d461689b82a3f48bfe320%2Fmag-trump-campaign-ties-to-putin.png

[RandomGuy]

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/409cbae/2147483647/resize/658x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F25%2F9e%2 F4ebcb877499cab6ac64837b11175%2Ftrump-administration-ties-to-russia.png

[TSA]

Putin said, rather clearly, in the press conference he had a clear preference, and ordered officials to help.

You can look up the footage of that yourself as well.

Putin trustworthy now :rollin

[RandomGuy]

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/a16a982/2147483647/resize/658x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F4d%2F66%2 F9e61159444489273c59ea9cb33c5%2Ftrump-ties-to-putin-michael-flynn.png

[RandomGuy]

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/c305460/2147483647/resize/658x%3E/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F5d%2Fb8%2 F9ec495674f2a818d281b2b175089%2Fmag-putin-trump-ties-manafort.png

[djohn2oo8]

I guess TSA forgot about JR meeting with the Russian lawyer and lying saying it was about adoptions

[TSA]

So nothing at all about the bet needs to be discussed.

Make a muh bet thread.

The bet doesn't concern you so you have no say in what needs or does not need to be discussed. I'll continue to discuss the bet wherever and whenever I feel like it.

:lol forum post count whore trying to play forum cop

[TSA]

I guess TSA forgot about JR meeting with the Russian lawyer and lying saying it was about adoptions

What was illegal about the meeting that Fusion GPS set up?

[Pavlov]

The bet doesn't concern you so you have no say in what needs or does not need to be discussed.That's your requirement for being able to have an opinion?

:lol you're terrified to discuss anything these days.

[Pavlov]

What was illegal about the meeting that Fusion GPS set up?Did you ever figure out what your Fusion GPS conspiracy theory was or is it still just innuendo?

[djohn2oo8]

What was illegal about the meeting that Fusion GPS set up?
I still remember that TSA fell for the lie that it was about adoptions :lol

[boutons_deux]

amazing pic of three of the nastiest motherfucking Repug rat fuckers

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2018/01/WEL_Foer_Manafort_college/187418feb.jpg
1985: Manafort, Stone, Atwater

The Plot Against America

Decades before he ran the Trump campaign,

Paul Manafort’s pursuit of foreign cash and shady deals

laid the groundwork for the corruption of Washington.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

Is there anything, anybody on the Dem side as aggressively nasty, evil, corrupt?

[RandomGuy]

Putin trustworthy now :rollin

He is to a point. In this, he was corroborated by US intelligence, whom I trust far, far more.

Two sources, same information = Strong evidence.

[djohn2oo8]

He also forgot Kushner discussed using secret backchannel Russian comms

[TSA]

That's your requirement for being able to have an opinion?

:lol you're terrified to discuss anything these days.

You can have an opinion on the matter but coming from you and your posting habits it carries zero weight and is immediately dismissed.

[djohn2oo8]

Lol he all pissy

[RandomGuy]

I guess TSA forgot about JR meeting with the Russian lawyer and lying saying it was about adoptions

I was getting there.

That this was so enthusiastically undertaken by senior people who should have known better... Bannon had this one pegged.

[RandomGuy]

.

If they were already colluding why would a back channel be needed? Or are you talking about the post-election back channel? And again, why would that be needed after the election?

Translation:
DEFLECTOR SHIELDS UP!! :lol

You are trying so hard to maintain your delusions. Let them go. He did it, and you know it.

The back channels were during the election goober, and allowed the main collusion to take place.

[djohn2oo8]

1025477687429685248

[Pavlov]

You can have an opinion on the matter but coming from you and your posting habits it carries zero weight and is immediately dismissed.


Lol he all pissy:lol he sure is.

He's being insanely defensive about his conspiracy theory mongering while trying to pimp his latest conspiracy theory without saying he actually believes it.

Just backflip after backflip.

[RandomGuy]

What strategy meetings? Be specific in how the relate to election collusion.



Ask Guliani. :lol

[RandomGuy]

1025477687429685248

As noted the testimony is to put meat on the bones of the documents.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol he sure is.

He's being insanely defensive about his conspiracy theory mongering while trying to pimp his latest conspiracy theory without saying he actually believes it.

Just backflip after backflip.
Disinformation is necessary

[RandomGuy]

And you claimed Manafort was behind it all, much like Steele claimed. So why isn’t Manafort being charged for any of it?

I said he probably used some of his contacts. I don't know what evidence has been gathered to answer your question.

So desperate. SAD!

[RandomGuy]

So we have:

A Trump campaign, with a large number of people with connections of one sort or another to Russia, up to and INCLUDING Trump.
Russian efforts clearly designed to help Trump. Putin admitted as much, as this is fully corroborated by US intelligence.
Multiple accounts of "back channels" being discussed.
Strategy meetings, and meetings about meetings.
Trump calling directly in a presser for help from hackers.

All of which suggests an ongoing effort.
What could be done?

Russian disinformation campaigns would find a great deal of value in voter information, especially the kind that might be had in GOP databases. The link here would be Cambridge Analytica.

The theft of DNC data analytics in late September, followed almost immediately by a radical campaign pivot on the part of the Trump campaign in early October indicates a possibility that the information stolen was given to the campaign, which acted on what they were given by campaigning in the very states that ultimately won him the election.

The incompetent flailing campaign won 3 states by a margin total of 77,000 votes after this shift, winning the electoral college, despite losing popular totals by more than 3M.

[djohn2oo8]

I said he probably used some of his contacts. I don't know what evidence has been gathered to answer your question.

So desperate. SAD!
Cute. TSA thinks there are no more charges filed.

[Pavlov]

Disinformation is necessary:lmao

He'll never say he believes any particular thing Q says if asked, but he will never stop posting Q stuff.

[koriwhat]

amazing pic of three of the nastiest motherfucking Repug rat fuckers

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2018/01/WEL_Foer_Manafort_college/187418feb.jpg
1985: Manafort, Stone, Atwater

The Plot Against America

Decades before he ran the Trump campaign,

Paul Manafort’s pursuit of foreign cash and shady deals

laid the groundwork for the corruption of Washington.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/

Is there anything, anybody on the Dem side as aggressively nasty, evil, corrupt?




yeah, the party and ideology you subscribe to. def worse!

[TSA]

Translation:
DEFLECTOR SHIELDS UP!! :lol

You are trying so hard to maintain your delusions. Let them go. He did it, and you know it.

The back channels were during the election goober, and allowed the main collusion to take place.

Who did it? And what back channels are you talking about? Be specific.

And :rollin @ the main collusion

[RandomGuy]

Tower of secrets: the Russian money behind a Donald Trump skyscraper
https://www.ft.com/trumptoronto

[RandomGuy]

Wow, It's Strange These Russians Paid Millions in Cash for Trump Properties
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a21654291/wow-its-strange-these-russians-paid-millions-in-cash-for-trump-properties/

[RandomGuy]

NARCO-A-LAGO: MONEY LAUNDERING AT THE TRUMP OCEAN CLUB PANAMA
https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/corruption-and-money-laundering/narco-a-lago-panama/#chapter-0/section-0

[RandomGuy]

TRUMP, RUSSIA, AND DEUTSCHE BANK: WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR
https://themoscowproject.org/dispatch/trump-russia-deutsche-bank/

[RandomGuy]

IF TRUMP IS LAUNDERING RUSSIAN MONEY, HERE’S HOW IT WORKS
https://www.wired.com/story/if-trump-is-laundering-russian-money-heres-how-it-works/

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao

He'll never say he believes any particular thing Q says if asked, but he will never stop posting Q stuff.
He is becoming unglued. Pretty cringeworthy to see but I can’t look away.

[RandomGuy]

Its amazing how much you can find by googling "Trump money laundering Russia"

[TSA]

I'm glad some of you still believe Trump colluded with Russia during the election it makes my slow afternoons at work entertaining :lol

[koriwhat]

losers posting link after link with no substance whatsoever. fucking losers.

[Pavlov]

I'm glad some of you still believe Trump colluded with Russia during the election it makes my slow afternoons at work entertaining :lolI'm glad you still believe Q and #pizzagate.

[RandomGuy]

Where Did Donald Trump Get Two Hundred Million Dollars to Buy His Money-Losing Scottish Golf Club?
https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/where-did-donald-trump-get-200-million-dollars-to-buy-his-money-losing-scottish-golf-club

[djohn2oo8]

I'm glad some of you still believe Trump colluded with Russia during the election it makes my slow afternoons at work entertaining :lol
Do you still believe Mueller and Flynn are in cahoots?

[RandomGuy]

I'm glad some of you still believe Trump colluded with Russia during the election it makes my slow afternoons at work entertaining :lol


Russians bought 86 Trump properties — all in cash — totaling $109 million
https://www.metro.us/president-trump/russians-bought-86-trump-properties

Trump has been colluding with Russians for a long time, not just during the election.

Follow the money, chicken fucker.

[spurraider21]

Its amazing how much you can find by googling "Trump money laundering Russia"
wow thats excellent reasoning

now google deep state trump and see how true that definitely must be

[TSA]

He is becoming unglued. Pretty cringeworthy to see but I can’t look away.

You've described your thread and all of you collusion believers perfectly for me.

[TSA]

Do you still believe Mueller and Flynn are in cahoots?

Undecided.

Do you still believe Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison?

[djohn2oo8]

You've described your thread and all of you collusion believers perfectly for me.
Anybody else believe in dead baby eating cannibals?

[Pavlov]

Undecided.lol cop out


Do you still believe Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison?lol muh bet

[TSA]

lol cop out

Do you believe Trump colluded with Russia during the election?

[djohn2oo8]

Undecided.

Do you still believe Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka, and Kushner are going to prison?
Yes. JR lied under oath. Ivanka still under FBI investigation. Kushner under multiple just like his daddy in law. Federal and state.

[Pavlov]

Do you believe Trump colluded with Russia during the election?I've said countless times I don't think he's smart enough to do that.

lol you're pissy after you cop out

[djohn2oo8]

I've said countless times I don't think he's smart enough to do that.

lol you're pissy after you cop out
That actually would not be considered smart :lol

[TSA]

Yes. JR lied under oath. Ivanka still under FBI investigation. Kushner under multiple just like his daddy in law. Federal and state.

Why isn't JR indicted?
What is Ivanka currently being investigated by the FBI for? link please
What are the multiple current investigations by the FBI on Kushner? link please
When is the last time either have spoken with the FBI?

[boutons_deux]

IF TRUMP IS LAUNDERING RUSSIAN MONEY, HERE’S HOW IT WORKS
https://www.wired.com/story/if-trump-is-laundering-russian-money-heres-how-it-works/

one question I've seen is where did Trash get the $100Ms cash for two Scottish golf courses that continue to loses many $10Ms / year.

US banks wouldn't touch him, so who did?

[koriwhat]

Yes. JR lied under oath. Ivanka still under FBI investigation. Kushner under multiple just like his daddy in law. Federal and state.

how about obama, hrc, rice, clapper, comey, brennan, etc? 3(4?) of which lied under oath on the hill and the others are known liars.

[TSA]

I've said countless times I don't think he's smart enough to do that.

lol you're pissy after you cop out

Who do you believe colluded with Russia during the election?

[Pavlov]

Who do you believe colluded with Russia during the election?I know Papadopoulos, Manafort, Uday and Cuckner tried actively to collude, so I'm open to the possibility that others did or they did in another setting.

You were the one who pimped the idea that Mueller was working with Trump, then you backed down.

What is your evidence they are working together?

[RandomGuy]

So we have:

A Trump campaign, with a large number of people with connections of one sort or another to Russia, up to and INCLUDING Trump.
Russian efforts clearly designed to help Trump. Putin admitted as much, as this is fully corroborated by US intelligence.
Multiple accounts of "back channels" being discussed.
Strategy meetings, and meetings about meetings.
Trump calling directly in a presser for help from hackers.

All of which suggests an ongoing effort.
What could be done?

Russian disinformation campaigns would find a great deal of value in voter information, especially the kind that might be had in GOP databases. The link here would be Cambridge Analytica.

The theft of DNC data analytics in late September, followed almost immediately by a radical campaign pivot on the part of the Trump campaign in early October indicates a possibility that the information stolen was given to the campaign, which acted on what they were given by campaigning in the very states that ultimately won him the election.

The incompetent flailing campaign won 3 states by a margin total of 77,000 votes after this shift, winning the electoral college, despite losing popular totals by more than 3M.

[TSA]

I know Papadopoulos, Manafort, Uday and Cuckner tried actively to collude, so I'm open to the possibility that others did or they did in another setting.

You were the one who pimped the idea that Mueller was working with Trump, then you backed down.

What is your evidence they are working together?

Who do you believe colluded with Russia during the election?

[djohn2oo8]

Why isn't JR indicted?
What is Ivanka currently being investigated by the FBI for? link please
What are the multiple current investigations by the FBI on Kushner? link please
When is the last time either have spoken with the FBI?
1. How do you know he isn’t?
2. Ivanka - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/01/politics/ivanka-trump-fbi-investigation/index.html
3. Mueller investigation the Tower meeting and Seychelles meeting involving Kushner, questioned about obstruction of justice and his push to fire Comey. His businesses under investigation in NY
4. Kushner spoke with Mueller recently. And still does not have access to intelligence materials. Hmm wonder why.

[RandomGuy]

wow thats excellent reasoning

now google deep state trump and see how true that definitely must be

That isn't "reasoning" by any stretch. This was an observation.

Each claim about how much money Donald Trump was laundering for Russians stands, or falls, on its own.

The problem is that there is a whole lot of shady transactions going on, and that was the point. I find quite a few of these things troubling, from a professional standpoint. The risks SCREAM money laundering.

Personally the Baku operation, canceled right before the election, is the most problematic.

[RandomGuy]

Who do you believe colluded with Russia during the election?

https://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/u/blog/12431354/screen_shot_2018-04-26_at_1.45.15_pm.png?cb=1531349078

Were I to guess. I would guess Manafort as well.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao so Butina bragged about being a liaison between Trump campaign and the Russians

[Chris]

I thought Bannon and Stone were supposed to flip? Cohen?

:lol

[Reck]

I thought Bannon and Stone were supposed to flip? Cohen?

:lol

You made that up. :lol

[Chris]

You made that up. :lol


No one ever thought Bannon would flip. Guy basically met Trump 2 years ago. :lol

Cohen on the other hand? Wait for the hit.

:lol

[Pavlov]

:lollol you just admitted to making 2/3 of your post up.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao so Butina bragged about being a liaison between Trump campaign and the Russians
Another one for TSA

[Chris]

:lmao TRUMP thinking removing Bannon is going to make the Feds go away. :rollin

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Bannon strikes back

What's funny is them laws going up Trump's rectum all the while trump beefing with Bannon. Bannon s alt right crew will destroy Trump.

lol no. Bannon hates Trump. He's actually fucking over Trump by squealing on Kushner.

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Lol Bannon rattin out everybody.

Imagine what Bannon told Mueller.

^ Idgaf tbh Bannon is a POS but if he can be part of trump being nuked I'm all in :lol

:lol TSA pretending Bannon didn't just take a shit on his king.

:lol Bannon didn’t even work on the campaign until the month after the meeting

Irrelevant to the shit he just took on your king.

But keep crying.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/0593cf066bc538c2ea76e2da601ab301/tenor.gif


:lol

[djohn2oo8]

What is Chris melting down about? That boy dumb. :lol

[Reck]

I thought Bannon and Stone were supposed to flip? Cohen?

:lol


:lol


Thank you for confirming you made it up. I said as much about Bannon.

As for Cohen, he has flipped. lol

[RandomGuy]

:lol

oh man... so much failure. You made a fool out of yourself here, but will never understand why. Wow.

[djohn2oo8]

oh man... so much failure. You made a fool out of yourself here, but will never understand why. Wow.
Not even quoting the right tweets to support whatever his argument is

[boutons_deux]

https://media1.fdncms.com/sacurrent/imager/u/blog/12431354/screen_shot_2018-04-26_at_1.45.15_pm.png?cb=1531349078

Were I to guess. I would guess Manafort as well.

of all the scumbags Trash could have hired to run his campaign, he chose one that had worked for $10Ms and years with Pootin's Ukrainian puppet.

Wilbur Ross also connected to Russia through his investments and Cyprus bank he ran that is used by Russians to hide $Bs.

Flynn connected to Russia

Rexxon Tillerson $500B-ly connected to Pootin.

JeBo compromised by Russia, contacts with which he "forgot" when testifying to Congress.

Kushner wanted a extra-governmental crypto-channel to Moscow.

[Chris]

You made that up. :lol

lol lying welsher #1

[Chris]

Not even quoting the right tweets to support whatever his argument is

lol lying welsher #2

[Chris]

welp


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[RandomGuy]

Who do you believe colluded with Russia during the election?

NBC News reports that Mueller is in negotiations to interview Emin Agalarov


the idea for holding Miss Universe in Moscow in 2013 came from Emin, and also his publicist Rob Goldstone, the British music promoter who started the email chain to Don Jr. that started off Junior's treason season at Trump Tower. Miss Universe was supposed to be a win-win for everybody -- it would get Emin in front of an American crowd that might be hungry for whatever Russian hit single Emin was promoting at the time ("Jizzing In My Borscht," we believe) and it would help Trump get into the Russian market. Indeed, after Miss Universe, the seeds were planted for Trump's first (failed) Moscow Trump Tower project, which was to be a joint venture with Aras Agalarov, AKA Emin's dad, AKA "Putin's builder."


remember the phone call Junior made to a blocked number (DADDY!) during the set-up for this meeting, in between two phone calls to Russia that we're pretty sure were with Emin? Remember how Michael Cohen is supposedly prepared to testify that Daddy Trump absolutely for sure 100% knew about this meeting before it even happened? Remember how Steve Bannon said there's no way in hell Junior didn't take those Russians up to meet his dad? Especially considering how much Trump doesn't love Junior, it absolutely beggars belief to think Junior didn't violently cream himself and tell his dad about this meeting at least ONE MILLION TIMES before it happened.

https://www.wonkette.com/emin-agalarov

[RandomGuy]

Not even quoting the right tweets to support whatever his argument is

He was not. It was a bit cringeworthy.

[Chris]

"the seeds were planted for Trump's first (failed) Moscow Trump Tower project, which was to be a joint venture with Aras Agalarov"


I'll take things that never happened for $500 Alex.

[djohn2oo8]

lol lying welsher #2
Not even using the word in the right context. Jesus.

[Pavlov]

welp


1025497065508560897Great. Show us the records.

[Chris]

Not even using the word in the right context. Jesus.

Everyone knows you don't have $2000 much less going to pay up on an online bet. You're a lying welsher.

[Chris]

Great. Show us the records.

lol Pavlov wants everything on demand like his netflix :lol

[Pavlov]

lol Pavlov wants everything on demand like his netflix :lolActually I just want evidence Judicial Watch claims to have.

You just posted hearsay.

[djohn2oo8]

Everyone knows you don't have $2000 much less going to pay up on an online bet. You're a lying welsher.
Can’t be a Welcher without having a debt to pay first you stupid fucking orangutan

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

1025492726526210048*DING* tweet

[djohn2oo8]

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WHILE ON THE CAMPAIGN :lol