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TSA
08-17-2018, 12:36 PM
So you are totally fine with destroying the rule of law for your Dear Leader.

Because that never goes wrong, you fucking muppet.

How is timing the release of documents out of the DOJ that were requested by congress destroying the rule of law?

dabom
08-17-2018, 12:39 PM
Rachel Maddow: drumpf Not Flogging Critics by Taking Sec. Clearances, He's Hamstringing Witnesses. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/17/1788920/-Rachel-Maddow-drumpf-Not-Flogging-Critics-by-Taking-Sec-Clearances-He-s-Hamstringing-Witnesses)

doing so denies them access to their files and notes sequestered in the various agencies they worked for and makes it impossible to prepare for testimony that might be required of them as the Trump/Russia probe moves forward.
A cursory examination of the officials being threatened makes this clear:

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1030304353868046337/s1xrAIDe?format=jpg&name=600x314

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-trump-isn-t-attacking-critics-he-s-going-after-witnesses-1300799555807?v=railb

All were in crucial positions to observe or investigate the Trump campaign during the time period involved.

"Look at almost all the names on the list of people the president wants to do this to. Brennan, CIA director during the Russia attack.

Clapper, director of national intelligence during the Russia attack.

Comey, director of the FBI during the Russia attack.

McCabe, deputy director of the FBI during the Russia attack.

Strzok, head of counterintelligence at the FBI during the Russia attack.

Susan Rice, national security adviser during the Russia attack.

Sally Yates, deputy attorney general during the Russia attack.

Security clearances may or may not be something any of these people are using for their current work.

But if they are stripped of their clearances or blocked from ever getting them again,

what does that do to their ability to prepare for testimony and to testify if need be?

We have good reason, after all, to think that

a bunch of these people might have important things to say

provided they can speak about classified material in a classified setting."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/17/1788920/-Rachel-Maddow-drumpf-Not-Flogging-Critics-by-Taking-Sec-Clearances-He-s-Hamstringing-Witnesses?detail=emaildkre




That sick fuck.

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:39 PM
here is bruce ohr's name in the washington post the day before that article

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/15/the-trump-enemies-list-the-critics-the-white-house-might-strip-of-security-clearance/?utm_term=.d0c8f45396bc

You should email and correct WaPo fact checker Glenn Kessler :lol

DarrinS
08-17-2018, 12:40 PM
Trump's complete politicization of the DOJ would be much, much worse, TSA.

It's not even close.


I’m so glad it wasn’t politicized under Obama. :lol

Chucho
08-17-2018, 12:41 PM
Can you name any “collusion” that was instigated by a government informant?


I don't play these games. You're informed, you know there's more evidence of potential collusion then there is of a frame.

spurraider21
08-17-2018, 12:41 PM
You should email and correct WaPo fact checker Glenn Kessler :lol
nah i'm good. its not that important to me.

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:44 PM
So you admit they didn't affect the election at all like you pray Trump's DOJ does now.

Cool.

Yeah, they had the dossier all summer and fall and did nothing with it.

Your conspiracy theory makes no sense. That's why you run away whenever I call you out on it.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=119460

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 12:44 PM
I’m so glad it wasn’t politicized under Obama. :lolHow was it politicized under Obama, Darrin?

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:45 PM
I don't play these games. You're informed, you know there's more evidence of potential collusion then there is of a frame.

I know each instance of potential “collusion” was instigated by government informants aka frame job.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 12:46 PM
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=119460Computer nerds?

Where's the FBI/DOJ leak, TSA?

What is your conspiracy theory here?

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:47 PM
Trump's complete politicization of the DOJ would be much, much worse, TSA.

It's not even close.

:rollin

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 12:47 PM
:rollinWhy is that funny, TSA?

Explain.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 12:48 PM
I know each instance of potential “collusion” was instigated by government informants aka frame job.You know?

What is your evidence?

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:49 PM
How was it politicized under Obama, Darrin?

If the Russian investigation was started knowing it was all a set up using government informants to frame Trump as a Russian puppet would that be politicization yes or no?

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 12:49 PM
If:lmao

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:54 PM
You know?

What is your evidence?

Mifsud and Halper both approached the Trump campaign. Not a government informant but Fusion GPS (Clinton/DOJ Ohr) approached the Trump campaign with a meeting for Russian dirt. Every single instance was a set up to try and frame collusion.

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:55 PM
:lmao

Dodge #1

If the Russian investigation was started knowing it was all a set up using government informants to frame Trump as a Russian puppet would that be politicization yes or no?

TSA
08-17-2018, 12:59 PM
Why is that funny, TSA?

Explain.

You’re claiming a frame job by the FBI/DOJ to set up the eventual President and attack the legitimacy of his Presidency is somehow worse than said President slow rolling the release of documents proving the frame job in order to swing the mid-terms.

That is fucking hilarious.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:01 PM
Mifsud and Halper both approached the Trump campaign. Not a government informant but Fusion GPS (Clinton/DOJ Ohr) approached the Trump campaign with a meeting for Russian dirt. Every single instance was a set up to try and frame collusion.:lol you just spout of your conspiracy theories like they are true.

You have no evidence Misfud works for the US government.

You have no evidence "Clinton/DOJ Ohr" had anything to to with the adoptions meeting.

You run away every time you are called out on it.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:04 PM
Dodge #1

If the Russian investigation was started knowing it was all a set up using government informants to frame Trump as a Russian puppet would that be politicization yes or no?Of a few agents?

Sure.

But you have zero evidence of that.

You actively want Trump to completely politicize the DOJ for his partisan whims because you don't like Hillary Clinton. That's insane. I'm not exaggerating when I say that's insane.

What you're cheering for is insane.

Chucho
08-17-2018, 01:06 PM
You’re claiming a frame job by the FBI/DOJ to set up the eventual President and attack the legitimacy of his Presidency is somehow worse than said President slow rolling the release of documents proving the frame job in order to swing the mid-terms.

That is fucking hilarious.


Yeah, I don't buy into that either. It's just another crutch for pissed off Demos to use when they lose elections they claim early victory on. The basic reason the party keeps losing is two-fold; it's a mess with it's messages and mixed stances and the pandering to ultra minority groups isn't paying off because those ultra minority groups make up the ultra minority of the voting base, as shocking as that is to them.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:06 PM
You’re claiming a frame job by the FBI/DOJ to set up the eventual President and attack the legitimacy of his Presidency is somehow worse than said President slow rolling the release of documents proving the frame job in order to swing the mid-terms.

That is fucking hilarious.Yes. It's is incalculably worse, TSA. I always thought you were a reasonably intelligent person but you're a fucking idiot if you can't see what a disaster that would be.

TSA
08-17-2018, 01:11 PM
:lol you just spout of your conspiracy theories like they are true.

You have no evidence Misfud works for the US government.

You have no evidence "Clinton/DOJ Ohr" had anything to to with the adoptions meeting.

You run away every time you are called out on it.

I never claimed Mifsud works for the US government. Nice try though. Mifsud works with Western intelligence, for which government(s) doesn’t matter.

Clinton campaign hired Fusion GPS. Ohr was in contact with Simpson. Fusion GPS set up the meeting. The translator in the meeting was on old State Department contractor.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:14 PM
I never claimed Mifsud works for the US government. Nice try though. Mifsud works with Western intelligence, for which government(s) doesn’t matter.Of course it matters. It's your conspiracy theory. Explain it.


Clinton campaign hired Fusion GPS. Ohr was in contact with Simpson. Fusion GPS set up the meeting. The translator in the meeting was on old State Department contractor.So the Russians were hired by Fusion to work for the Democrats after the Russians hired Fusion to work for them?

Explain your conspiracy theory.

TSA
08-17-2018, 01:15 PM
Of a few agents?

Sure.

But you have zero evidence of that.

You actively want Trump to completely politicize the DOJ for his partisan whims because you don't like Hillary Clinton. That's insane. I'm not exaggerating when I say that's insane.

What you're cheering for is insane.

Comey, McCabe, Strzok....just a few “agents” :rollin

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:17 PM
Comey, McCabe, Strzok....just a few “agents” :rollinOK, include them in your conspiracy theory too.

Guccifer 2.0
08-17-2018, 01:18 PM
Comey, McCabe, Strzok....just a few “agents” :rollin
Just be patient, my young apprentice. The time is coming for the BOOMEST and the GAME OVEREST bombshell to be dropped.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:19 PM
This is the point where TSA realizes he can't actually explain a conspiracy theory with all the names and organizations he dropped and will do his best to distract from that fact.

djohn2oo8
08-17-2018, 01:31 PM
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spurraider21
08-17-2018, 01:32 PM
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antifa for sure

DarrinS
08-17-2018, 01:42 PM
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Who’s wanting jurors names unsealed?

DarrinS
08-17-2018, 01:45 PM
Media requests?

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DarrinS
08-17-2018, 01:45 PM
Why does the media want to dox jurors?

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:52 PM
Why does the media want to dox jurors?lol dox

It's not uncommon to interview jurors after a trial, Darrin.

DarrinS
08-17-2018, 01:52 PM
Creepy move by CNN et. al.

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DarrinS
08-17-2018, 01:53 PM
lol dox

It's not uncommon to interview jurors after a trial, Darrin.

names and addresses

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 01:54 PM
names and addressesThat is how one may reach a juror for an interview, Darrin.

spurraider21
08-17-2018, 02:14 PM
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Chucho
08-17-2018, 02:22 PM
1030530848729255936

The fuck?

Spurminator
08-17-2018, 03:32 PM
Why does the media want to dox jurors?

:lol WTF

TSA
08-17-2018, 04:20 PM
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spurraider21
08-17-2018, 04:22 PM
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Not a Russian Bot
08-17-2018, 04:54 PM
1030136703191793664

Nunes is an American hero!
God Bless him and GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP!
#NoCollusion #MAGA #Winning
@devinnunes @ amymek @information4libs @garrisonben

DarrinS
08-17-2018, 06:12 PM
Nunes is an American hero!
God Bless him and GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP!
#NoCollusion #MAGA #Winning
@devinnunes @ amymek @information4libs @garrisonben


I know you’re being a sarcastic sock puppet, but there’s a lot of shit the public wouldn’t know, were it not for the efforts of Nunes.

monosylab1k
08-17-2018, 06:18 PM
I know you’re being a sarcastic sock puppet, but there’s a lot of shit the public wouldn’t know, were it not for the efforts of Nunes.

Yeah he’s definitely put out a whole lot of shit. You could even say he’s full of it.

Chris
08-17-2018, 06:19 PM
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Pavlov
08-17-2018, 06:19 PM
I know you’re being a sarcastic sock puppet, but there’s a lot of shit the public wouldn’t know, were it not for the efforts of Nunes.:lmao your hero

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 06:19 PM
1030581354847559680lol dox

James Bond
08-17-2018, 07:02 PM
Like I said earlier...Trump has the DOJ slow rolling the release of documents heading to the midterms. I’m curious when he’s going to open the floodgates. He’s had EVERYTHING since he took office.

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My colleague has nothing to worry about.

Chris
08-17-2018, 07:08 PM
Media waves the white flag Pavlov style :lol


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Spurminator
08-17-2018, 07:11 PM
Hey look, Darrin, your point of view is shared by Mike Cernovich, that must make you super proud.

Pavlov
08-17-2018, 07:12 PM
Media waves the white flag Pavlov style :lol


1030541551930204160So what conspiracy theory should we believe?

DarrinS
08-17-2018, 07:22 PM
CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html


I wouldn’t trust them with my name and address.

Not a Russian Bot
08-17-2018, 07:31 PM
I know you’re being a sarcastic sock puppet, but there’s a lot of shit the public wouldn’t know, were it not for the efforts of Nunes.

Nunes is an American hero!
God Bless him and GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP!
#NoCollusion #MAGA #Winning
@devinnunes @ amymek @information4libs @garrisonben

Chris
08-17-2018, 07:51 PM
CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/04/politics/kfile-reddit-user-trump-tweet/index.html


I wouldn’t trust them with my name and address.

Don't forget harassing the old woman for sharing something on facebook. Sick sick people.

DarrinS
08-18-2018, 01:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHVXVPi1ezw#

Winehole23
08-18-2018, 01:46 AM
so much the worse for your guy if it's the popular thing to do

TSA
08-18-2018, 11:25 AM
Mueller's team wants George Papadopoulos to spend 6 months in jail

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/17/politics/papadopoulos-jail-time-special-counsel/index.html

Federal authorities had cornered the man they suspected could be part of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election -- and they might have been more successful in their investigation in early 2017 if it had not been for George Papadopoulos, the special counsel alleged on Friday.

Special counsel prosecutors are asking a judge to sentence Papadopoulos to up to six months in prison, according to a court filing on Friday. The former Trump campaign staffer pleaded guilty last October to one count of lying to investigators over his interactions about the Trump campaign with foreign contacts who had connections to Russia.


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:rollin

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 11:29 AM
Mueller's team wants George Papadopoulos to spend 6 months in jail

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/17/politics/papadopoulos-jail-time-special-counsel/index.html

Federal authorities had cornered the man they suspected could be part of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election -- and they might have been more successful in their investigation in early 2017 if it had not been for George Papadopoulos, the special counsel alleged on Friday.

Special counsel prosecutors are asking a judge to sentence Papadopoulos to up to six months in prison, according to a court filing on Friday. The former Trump campaign staffer pleaded guilty last October to one count of lying to investigators over his interactions about the Trump campaign with foreign contacts who had connections to Russia.


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:rollin:lmao TSA's reliance on anonymous twitter

spurraider21
08-18-2018, 11:36 AM
:lmao TSA's reliance on anonymous twitter
You mean that isn’t Huber?

boutons_deux
08-18-2018, 11:44 AM
6 months vs whatever months, years he would have received for not cooperating.

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:00 PM
:lmao TSA's reliance on anonymous twitter

Does their anonymity make their claims any less true?

Does Mueller’s team really want 6 months like CNN claims or does the government point to Van Dee Zwaan’s sentence for guidance?

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:01 PM
6 months vs whatever months, years he would have received for not cooperating.

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TSA
08-18-2018, 12:04 PM
“Federal authorities had cornered the man they suspected could be part of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election -- and they might have been more successful in their investigation in early 2017 if it had not been for George Papadopoulos, the special counsel alleged on Friday.”

This is just absolutely pathetic by Mueller. Does he really think it isn’t known Mifsud works for Western intelligence?

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:04 PM
Does their anonymity make their claims any less true?

Does Mueller’s team really want 6 months like CNN claims or does the government point to Van Dee Zwaan’s sentence for guidance?I don't know but you're certainly making a huge deal out of this for some reason.

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:05 PM
“Federal authorities had cornered the man they suspected could be part of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election -- and they might have been more successful in their investigation in early 2017 if it had not been for George Papadopoulos, the special counsel alleged on Friday.”

This is just absolutely pathetic by Mueller. Does he really think it isn’t known Mifsud works for Western intelligence?Known by whom?

Undercover Huber?

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:05 PM
I’m actually starting to feel bad for Mueller, this investigation will be a stain on his career.

boutons_deux
08-18-2018, 12:05 PM
If all of TSA's tweet turds are true,

why are not the Repugs acting on them to protect criminal Trash and his criminal mafiya?

And TSA and other righwingnutjobs have not answered the fundamental question:

If Trash and his mafiya are innocent, why are they, why have they been lying, covering up, obstructing for 2+ years?

If innocent, why not tell the "innocent" truth, explain everything so innocent and get it over with?

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:06 PM
I don't know but you're certainly making a huge deal out of this for some reason.

How am I making it a big deal? Be specific.

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:07 PM
I’m actually starting to feel bad for Mueller, this investigation will be a stain on his career.No, you said he's working with Trump to corner the baby-stealing Democrats.

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:08 PM
How am I making it a big deal? Be specific.You posted several times about it.

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:16 PM
Known by whom?

Undercover Huber?

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html

https://mobile.twitter.com/CJBdingo25

https://m.theepochtimes.com/key-russian-contact-in-the-collusion-narrative-tied-to-western-intelligence-instead_2548079.html

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:19 PM
You posted several times about it.

:lol your threshold for making a “huge deal” out of something

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:27 PM
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html

https://mobile.twitter.com/CJBdingo25

https://m.theepochtimes.com/key-russian-contact-in-the-collusion-narrative-tied-to-western-intelligence-instead_2548079.htmlSo "guessed at" is what you're really saying.

Lee Smith guessed at Misfud's being a western intel agent.

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:28 PM
:lol your threshold for making a “huge deal” out of somethingSo it's not important at all.

OK.

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:37 PM
So "guessed at" is what you're really saying.

Lee Smith guessed at Misfud's being a western intel agent.

If Mifsud truly is a Russian agent – which is key to the collusion narrative – he could prove to be one of the most promiscuous spies in modern history. Western intelligence agencies and European politicians would have to spend the next few decades repairing the damage he did to global security by infiltrating key institutions and personnel. As of yet, however, there is no indication that any intelligence service has begun the embarrassing, but highly important, assessment of how it was penetrated and how it can re-fortify the vulnerabilities that Mifsud may have exposed. There has been no public effort to arrest him.

TSA
08-18-2018, 12:38 PM
So it's not important at all.

OK.

You’ve made several posts about it, must be a huge deal.

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:41 PM
If Mifsud truly is a Russian agent – which is key to the collusion narrative – he could prove to be one of the most promiscuous spies in modern history. Western intelligence agencies and European politicians would have to spend the next few decades repairing the damage he did to global security by infiltrating key institutions and personnel. As of yet, however, there is no indication that any intelligence service has begun the embarrassing, but highly important, assessment of how it was penetrated and how it can re-fortify the vulnerabilities that Mifsud may have exposed. There has been no public effort to arrest him.Why would intel services publicly begin that assessment?

Explain.

Pavlov
08-18-2018, 12:43 PM
You’ve made several posts about it, must be a huge deal.Do you think it's a big deal, TSA?

Yes or no.

dabom
08-18-2018, 12:45 PM
So "guessed at" is what you're really saying.

Lee Smith guessed at Misfud's being a western intel agent.

:lol

Donald Drump
08-18-2018, 12:55 PM
I’m actually starting to feel bad for Mueller, this investigation will be a stain on his career.
Want me to fire him?

#MAGA

boutons_deux
08-18-2018, 12:57 PM
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EVEN IF he weren't very useful in cooperating, he STILL committed a crime for which the maximum penalty is?

Donald Drump
08-18-2018, 01:06 PM
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08-18-2018, 01:12 PM
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boutons_deux
08-18-2018, 01:12 PM
FBI investigation of Christopher Steele memos will spill to public ... thanks to Trump and Nunes (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/17/1788987/-FBI-investigation-of-Christopher-Steele-memos-will-spill-to-public-thanks-to-Trump-and-Nunes)

Donald Trump was eager to push Nunes’s memo, and in the process

he declassified both the memos and supporting documents.
This combination of actions, Nunes’s memo and Trump’s declassification, may have given Trump what he wanted at the moment, but

it has another effect.

a ruling on Thursday determined that Trump’s decision to declassify the Nunes memo and supporting materials means that

the FBI can no longer turn away FOIA requests on this topic.

Judge Amit Mehta: It remains no longer logical nor plausible for the FBI to maintain that it cannot confirm nor deny the existence of documents.


Several instances that were recounted in Steele’s memos have since been shown to be corroborated by other witnesses and documents.

However, within the information are several notable events—

including those surrounding Trump’s 2013 trip surrounding the Miss Universe pageant and possible events at a Moscow hotel—

where any information that the FBI has picked up hasn’t been made public.

But, thanks to Trump, it will be.
Politico notes that applicants should not expect results of FOIA requests to start showing up right away.

Some aspects of the case had already been pushed to an appeals court, which in turn has pushed those complaints back to Mehta.

So additional rulings are likely before all aspects are defined and the FBI begins responding to these requests.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/17/1788987/-FBI-investigation-of-Christopher-Steele-memos-will-spill-to-public-thanks-to-Trump-and-Nunes?detail=emaildkre

Donald Drump
08-18-2018, 01:23 PM
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08-18-2018, 01:32 PM
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08-18-2018, 01:36 PM
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Donald Drump
08-18-2018, 01:37 PM
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dabom
08-18-2018, 02:59 PM
I wonder if Chris still thinks papadopoulos was in on it or that he was framed. :lol

Can't have it both ways faggot.

dabom
08-18-2018, 03:05 PM
-Papadopoulos continuously pushed for meetings between Trump Campaign officials and Russian contacts.

-Papadopoulos was unsuccessful in establishing any meetings between the Trump Campaign and Russian Officials.

-Papadopoulos and Downer had a conversation in a bar. This was the sole reason the FBI used to launch a counter-intelligence investigation.

-FBI’s Head of Counterintelligence Bill Priestap just happened to be there at the same time. *shrug

-No mention of Papadopoulos in the Steele Dossier

-FBI states: "On July 22, 2016, the FBI is informed that Papadopoulos told Downer “the Russians might use material that they have on Hillary Clinton in the lead-up to the election which may be damaging".

-FBI states: " On July 31, 2016 - just over a week later - the FBI opens a massive Counterintelligence Investigation into an opposing presidential candidate’s campaign based solely on this single conversation."

-Yeah I'd say Papadopoulos is implicated.


George was framed. No reason to take a plea deal.

"Which one is it?"- Pavlov

:lol

Obviously you don't actually believe anything. Just talking points. :lol

dabom
08-18-2018, 03:06 PM
Stick to tweeting without comments bro. You would look less stupid. :lol

Winehole23
08-18-2018, 03:35 PM
The bottom line is that the George Papadopoulos story should neither be blithely dismissed nor inflated into more than it likely is. It appears to have been the trigger for the Russia investigation. It does not appear to hold the key to what we don’t yet know about L’Affaire Russe.https://www.lawfareblog.com/mythbusting-papadopoulos-sentencing-memo

boutons_deux
08-18-2018, 04:59 PM
Trump Insists ‘A Lot of Things Were Accomplished’ in His Meeting With Putin

turning to his meeting with the Russian leader he said,

“We had a tremendous meeting with President Putin, a lot of (secret) things were accomplished.” :lol

Trump then concluded:

“Nothing bad can happen, it’s only going to be positive, especially if your president knows what he’s doing.” :lol IF? :lol

The White House has been light on specifics (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/world/europe/trump-putin-summit-helsinki.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=AD7605005947DAA5CA12B0607744193F&gwt=pay) about the meetings with Kim and especially Trump’s one-on-one with Putin, making it

unclear what accomplishments Trump is referring to in his video address. :lol

Defense Secretary James Mattis, though, has admitted that

the Trump-Putin meeting yielded no policy changes (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/defense-secretary-mattis-no-policy-changes-came-from-trump-putin-su.html) and was limited to talk. :lol

https://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-insists-a-lot-of-things-were-accomplished-in-his-meeting-with-putin/

Chris
08-18-2018, 06:55 PM
"Which one is it?"- Pavlov

:lol

Obviously you don't actually believe anything. Just talking points. :lol

One can be implicated and framed at the same time. Not surprised you are unable to grasp this.

lol retired dabom fails again

Chris
08-18-2018, 06:56 PM
P.S. Don't @ me faggot.

Winehole23
08-18-2018, 07:07 PM
Chris

dabom
08-18-2018, 07:15 PM
One can be implicated and framed at the same time. Not surprised you are unable to grasp this.

lol retired dabom fails again

You can't be framed for something you set up you dumb fuck. :lmao

Chris
08-18-2018, 07:15 PM
1030940529037651968

Chris
08-18-2018, 07:16 PM
You can't be framed for something you set up you dumb fuck. :lmao

Sure you can dumb fuck. Why are you such a dumb fuck you dumb fuck?

dabom
08-18-2018, 07:17 PM
Sure you can dumb fuck. Why are you such a dumb fuck you dumb fuck?

Framed means you were set up not that you set it up you dumb fuck. :lmao :lmao

Chris
08-18-2018, 08:58 PM
1030992494840950784

Reck
08-18-2018, 09:47 PM
1030884574371434496


godfuckdamnitfrrfnssjshshdjssjsjdhdjs

Doneld, you're gonna have to shit some bricks tonight.

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1030881682700820480

Another flipper.

Donald Drump
08-18-2018, 10:51 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/trmp.gif

Durant82
08-18-2018, 10:52 PM
It’s “Drumpf” by the way. Fucking amateur ass troll creators.

Durant82
08-18-2018, 10:53 PM
Sure you can dumb fuck. Why are you such a dumb fuck you dumb fuck?
“Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.”
-Ephesians 5:4

Donald Drump
08-18-2018, 10:55 PM
It’s “Drumpf” by the way. Fucking amateur ass troll creators.
You’re mother’s a whore who let me grab her by the pussy, by the way.

#MAGA

TSA
08-18-2018, 11:03 PM
1030940596301647872

Winehole23
08-18-2018, 11:31 PM
the Mueller investigation is DJT's best chance to be cleared of conspiracy with Russia, a fact neither DJT nor his supporters seem to understand well, but which his critics don't seem to get at all.

Mueller will write a letter to Rod Rosenstein, who will either give it to Congress or not, and that will effectively be the end of DJT's legal jeopardy.

boutons_deux
08-19-2018, 10:22 AM
Mueller Probe Looks at Trump Fundraiser Pay-to-Play With China, Malaysia
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/mueller-probe-looks-at-trump-fundraiser-pay-to-play-with-china-malaysia/

Why hasn't anybody sued Trash for emoluments violations? Enough legal minds are convinced he and his family are violators.

Winehole23
08-19-2018, 10:40 AM
somebody has: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-25/trump-must-face-emoluments-lawsuit-over-d-c-hotel-profits

boutons_deux
08-19-2018, 11:11 AM
somebody has: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-25/trump-must-face-emoluments-lawsuit-over-d-c-hotel-profits

Do CORE + Washington DC and Maryland have "standing"?

Winehole23
08-19-2018, 11:16 AM
until some other judge says no, it appears they do.

boutons_deux
08-19-2018, 11:36 AM
John Brennan’s Interview With Rachel Maddow Causes Trump To Lose His Mind
The reason for Trump calling Brennan a loudmouth was the former CIA Director’s interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow where he said (https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/17/rachel-maddow-john-brennan-trump-scared.html),

“I know what the Russians did in interfering in the election.

I have 100% confidence in what they did.

For Mr. Trump to stand on that stage in Helsinki

with all the world’s eyes upon him and

he doesn’t understand why would the Russians interfere in the elections.

He’s given them a pass time after time after time and

keeps referring to it as a witch-hunt and bogus and,

to me, this was an attack against the foundational principle of our republic

the right of all Americans to choose their elected leaders.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/18/john-brennans-interview-with-rachel-maddow-causes-trump-to-lose-his-mind.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

dabom
08-19-2018, 12:22 PM
Truth isn't truth. :lmao

benefactor
08-19-2018, 12:26 PM
P.S. Don't @ me faggot.


Chris
:lol

Cuck Ross
08-19-2018, 12:39 PM
Doneld, you're gonna have to shit some bricks tonight.

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1030881682700820480

Another flipper.

1030947930935648256

like this flipper?

Cuck Ross
08-19-2018, 12:56 PM
1030908969089290240

TSA
08-19-2018, 02:27 PM
Mueller's team wants George Papadopoulos to spend 6 months in jail

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/17/politics/papadopoulos-jail-time-special-counsel/index.html

Federal authorities had cornered the man they suspected could be part of Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election -- and they might have been more successful in their investigation in early 2017 if it had not been for George Papadopoulos, the special counsel alleged on Friday.

Special counsel prosecutors are asking a judge to sentence Papadopoulos to up to six months in prison, according to a court filing on Friday. The former Trump campaign staffer pleaded guilty last October to one count of lying to investigators over his interactions about the Trump campaign with foreign contacts who had connections to Russia.


1030701101471997952

1030697157056053249

1030706726142730240

:rollin

1030919580460429313

djohn2oo8
08-19-2018, 05:05 PM
1031299954030067712

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

djohn2oo8
08-19-2018, 05:12 PM
1031301064698589184

Winehole23
08-19-2018, 07:13 PM
remember that time the US meddled in a Russian election and bragged about it in Time Magazine?

https://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,136204,00.html

boutons_deux
08-19-2018, 08:43 PM
Putin foe explains how Rudy Giuliani’s ‘objective truth’ helps Trump with a legal strategy and building a cult of personality

“Destroying the concept of objective truth is both a general principle for autocrats and a legal defense strategy.

Trump needs both,” Kasparov wrote.

“It’s vital for someone like Trump to develop a cult of personality to keep a loyal base despite betraying everything and everyone.

They follow him, not principles or policies,”

“I’ve been writing about this for years regarding Putin’s ‘improvements’ on these old propaganda techniques,” Kasparov continued.

“It’s no surprise others have adopted them, intentionally or instinctively. They work.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/putin-foe-explains-rudy-giulianis-objective-truth-helps-trump-legal-strategy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

You Trash fellating cultists been Pootinized.

Chris
08-19-2018, 10:12 PM
1031368724824170497

DMX7
08-19-2018, 10:14 PM
1031368724824170497

Hail Mary!

Chris
08-19-2018, 10:16 PM
“I used to work for the Special Surveillance Group (SSG) at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Robert Mueller was my Director. I have been wrestling with his disregard for my safety and his dishonesty with my and other coworkers’ concerns. That is why in 2008 I decided to quit the Bureau early and start my own business and get away from the corruption of certain members of the FBI management. I saw firsthand how dishonest some of them could be. Since Mueller has taken over as Special Counsel, I’ve been concerned about him continuing that behavior which leads me to the following.

Mueller and certain members of FBI Management deceived the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in 2005 and they intimidated and bullied the U.S. Office of Personnel Management from 2005 through 2008.

Mueller and individuals in FBI Management were continually notified by members of the SSG that their surveillance activities were growing way beyond the scope of their operational plan before Congress and that their safety was at stake. After 9/11, the program had expanded at a rapid pace. The members of the SSG were happy to take on the vastly growing surveillances throughout the country but they wanted better protection, better compensation and more clear duties defined through Congress. Mueller and FBI Management continually ignored their cries for help.

In the Summer of 2005, two FBI employees in the SSG Program wrote a letter and mailed it to every member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI). The two FBI employees were notified by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison’s office of receipt of the letter. Those same two FBI employees and two additional employees wrote another letter and mailed it to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM). That opening letter to the OPM was very generic because their work is considered Secret due to their undercover status conducting Counter Terrorism and Counter Intelligence work. The OPM letter only listed their names, job title, office and generic nature of their complaint. The letter to the SSCI was more informative due to SSCI’s level of classification regarding U.S. Intelligence.

The two employees involved in the SSCI letter were informed by staff at Senator Hutchison’s Office of Mueller’s response to the letter. The two employees knew the response was not truthful.

OPM opened a routine complaint/inquiry based on the letter that they received from the four FBI employees. The OPM officer that had the misfortune to be assigned the job, sent an initiation letter to FBI Headquarters to gain security clearance to begin her assessment. She was immediately threatened with arrest by FBI agents. Subsequently and because of the letter, the four FBI employees were threatened with arrest, imprisonment, raids of their residences and loss of their job. Although better security and more defined operational duties eventually were hammered out, it was no thanks to Mueller. The four employees and their squad supervisor were overtly and covertly punished, then and to this day.

The information I have relayed to you is important but in the current climate of intimidation of whistleblowers and continued dishonest activity of some in the FBI, I have been reluctant to relay in this much detail. The reason (beyond disgust with Mueller and Comey) that I inform you now is because I know you have contacts with Judicial Watch. Judicial Watch may benefit from a FOIA request regarding communications Mueller and FBI Management had with Senator Hutchinson’s Office and the OPM from 2005 thru 2008. I know the OPM Officer, the FBI employees and their supervisor because obviously I was one of the four employees. I do not suspect the gathering of evidence to Mueller’s dishonesty regarding this matter will be easy to obtain because of the cloud of secrecy it entails but I pray Mueller will answer for his actions.”

Chuck Marler’s statement ends

Chris
08-19-2018, 10:18 PM
“This is very, very, very powerful technology, and it was created under Robert Mueller’s watch. The last person I would think that should be investigating Donald Trump is Robert Mueller, who was collecting information on Donald Trump ten years ago … Mueller has a huge conflict of interest, a huge conflict of interest,” Montgomery said in an interview.

“I provided to the FBI seventeen businesses of Donald Trump, including the Trump Tower, the Trump leasing programs, all of these different programs, and including Trump himself and the various family members that had been wiretapped under these programs,” said Montgomery. “There has been a wiretap on Trump for years.”

“I started by going to Maricopa County and showing that Sheriff Arpaio himself was wiretapped under the Obama administration,” said Montgomery.

“I was a CIA contractor both under John Brennan and under James Clapper and these individuals were running domestic surveillance programs in the United States collecting information on Americans. This isn’t political. They were collecting information on Republicans and Democrats. But they collected everything they could find. Bank accounts, phone numbers, chats, emails, and they collected a massive amount of it under the Obama administration,” Montgomery added.

Montgomery, the whistleblower, has sued James Comey for allegedly covering up information on the program, which Montgomery said was being operated on FBI computers.

monosylab1k
08-19-2018, 10:19 PM
Chris

boutons_deux
08-19-2018, 10:32 PM
Oliver ridicules Julie Annie

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/dont-worry-donald-prison-isnt-prison-john-oliver-ridicules-rudy-giulianis-truth-isnt-truth-gaffe/

boutons_deux
08-20-2018, 10:58 AM
Putin Reportedly Close to Firing Giuliani
https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b7ad281184ecd6d1498326e/master/w_1298,c_limit/Borowitz-GiulianiPutin.jpg

MOSCOW —Vladimir Putin is reportedly “very close” to firing Rudolph Giuliani as Donald J. Trump’s attorney, a source close to the Russian President confirmed on Monday.

According to the source,

Putin allowed Trump to hire Giuliani

in the first place because “it’s important to let Trump think that he has some autonomy from time to time,”

but now the Russian President has apparently determined that “enough is enough.”

Over the next few days, the source indicated,

Putin is likely to replace Giuliani with a handpicked successor, Arkady Lubetkin, a criminal-defense attorney

who has represented several prominent Russian Mob figures.

After hearing anecdotal reports of Giuliani’s appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday, Putin initially theorized that the nonsensical nature of Giuliani’s utterances had to be chalked up to “an error in translation,” the source said.

After reading an official transcript of Giuliani’s statements, however, the Russian President was apparently “flabbergasted.”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-reportedly-close-to-firing-giuliani

boutons_deux
08-20-2018, 10:59 AM
...

boutons_deux
08-20-2018, 11:15 AM
Keep An Eye On This (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/tpm-news/~3/3fbJ4Gw90gY/keep-an-eye-on-this-9)


by Josh Marshall

Over the weekend,

before the Don McGahn story started driving fevered speculation,

the Post published an article about Elliott Broidy (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-fundraiser-broidy-under-investigation-for-alleged-effort-to-sell-government-influence-people-familiar-with-probe-say/2018/08/17/c9e55792-a185-11e8-8e87-c869fe70a721_story.html?utm_term=.42fdb04b678a), the venture capitalist and GOP fundraiser who is already tied up in the Cohen/Hush Money saga as well as the Russia probe.

This story detailed investigations into Broidy allegedly trying to get paid to fix federal criminal investigations in the US for interests in Malaysia and China.

To me though, the most notable part of the story, is that the

investigation is run by the DOJ Public Integrity Section, not the Special Counsel’s Office.

Let’s step back and consider a few cases.

To the best of our knowledge, the Special Counsel’s Office handed the Michael Cohen probe off to the Southern District of New York.

The case against Mariia Butina is being run by the DOJ’s Counter-Intelligence Division and is separate from the Special Counsel probe.

This investigation into Broidy is running out of the Public Integrity Section of the DOJ.

It’s not explicitly clear where the Broidy probe started. Did Public Integrity get it on its own? Did the Special Counsel’s Office hand this non-Russia part of Broidy’s work off to Main Justice? Not clear.


But regardless of where the probe started, it seems to have at least in part grown out of Broidy’s hacked emails that were published last year.

It gets a little complicated here but bear with me.

There’s the UAE/Saudi part of the Russia story, tied to George Nader, the Seychelles meeting with Erik Prince etc.

That connects up with the on-going diplomatic war between those countries and regional rival Qatar.

There is a decent amount of circumstantial evidence that the hacking of Broidy’s emails was done at least by people sympathetic to Qatar if not the Qatari state itself.

Point being, whether or not the Special Counsel’s Office started the investigation,

Broidy’s legal trouble tied to Malaysia and China seems rooted in the stuff he’s involved with in the Gulf and thus indirectly connected to the Russia story.
Remember too that Cohen and Broidy were both made Deputy RNC Finance Chairs under Trump.

And Cohen arranged that hush money deal with the woman who was allegedly Broidy’s longtime mistress.
What all of this tells me is that

there is an increasingly large range of federal investigations tied to the Trump White House

which are not actually handled by the Special Counsel’s Office,

presumably because they are examples of corruption which require investigation but which are not tightly connected to Russia.

This is not terribly surprising.

We see every day that

the Trump administration is a sort of free-fire zone for the most blatant and unrestrained corruption.

This was particularly the case in the early months of the administration.

But these are investigations will continue regardless of the fate of the Special Counsel’s Office.

There are probably more that we don’t yet know about.

They are also, probably by definition, more liable to political pressure to end them since they are the subject of less press attention.

<paywall>

Pavlov
08-20-2018, 11:29 AM
1031368724824170497Those brave, fearless men willing to come out 13 years later to talk about irrelevant things no one remembers.

Big league politics!

boutons_deux
08-20-2018, 11:36 AM
The most intense and dangerous period of the Trump presidency is about to begin

here are some other things that could or, in some cases, will happen between now and the first week in November:



Paul Manafort will either be convicted or acquitted in his first trial, presumably this week (the jury is currently deliberating). And his second trial (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/08/19/paul-manafort-second-trial-mueller/1034142002/) — which will deal more directly with his work in the former Soviet Union and the ways it may have affected his actions as Trump campaign chairman — will begin in mid-September.
Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III could hand down more indictments, or even release a final report on all that he has learned in his investigation.
Trump will likely continue to revoke the security clearances (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-is-creating-a-list-of-political-enemies-former-joint-chiefs-chairman-mike-mullen-says/2018/08/19/36df9b64-a3b6-11e8-97ce-cc9042272f07_story.html) of his critics in the intelligence community, which will generate more bipartisan condemnation and comparisons to Richard Nixon.
Omarosa Manigault Newman will release more tapes she recorded of conversations with people in the White House.
A lawsuit (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/17/republicans-are-running-the-repeal-and-replace-scam-all-over-again/) will begin in Texas in which Republican states and the administration will be arguing for the entire Affordable Care Act to be struck down, handing Democrats a priceless campaign issue.
Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings will take place. Even if the process ends with a win for Trump, it will also likely generate an immediate backlash, a wave of fear and opposition from Democrats as they realize the implications of an intensely partisan, intensely conservative Supreme Court.


That’s just what we know about.

There are other things, both foreseeable and not,

that could increase the president’s stress during this period.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/20/the-most-intense-and-dangerous-period-of-the-trump-presidency-is-about-to-begin/?utm_term=.2e3b7234bbc5&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Reck
08-20-2018, 11:49 AM
Those brave, fearless men willing to come out 13 years later to talk about irrelevant things no one remembers.

Big league politics!

What are the chances these disgruntled ex employees got fired unceremoniously?

hilarious. Mueller is evil!

But I”m going to wait a decade plus to say it. My courage and love for my country demands it.


:lol

TSA
08-20-2018, 12:31 PM
1031531314007220224

:lol djohn claiming Papadopoulos was wiring a wire for Mueller

Spurminator
08-20-2018, 01:18 PM
Those brave, fearless men willing to come out 13 years later to talk about irrelevant things no one remembers.

Big league politics!

I get all of my news from sources that don't know how to conjugate verbs in their headlines.

Chucho
08-20-2018, 01:28 PM
1031531314007220224

:lol djohn claiming Papadopoulos was wiring a wire for Mueller

:lol LOL, seriously. I'm pretty certain Papadopoulos isn't an electrician. Stupid djohnn.

boutons_deux
08-20-2018, 01:31 PM
Trial lawyer tells CNN that Giuliani’s bumbling cable news spots have put Trump in ‘significant legal peril’

trial attorney Seth Berenzweig argued that Giuliani’s frequent cable news spots are harming Trump legally far more than they might be helping him politically.

“I think Mr. Giuliani is putting his client in significant legal peril,” he said.

“If you take a look at what’s going on right now, there are a lot of unforced errors.

Just focus on the situation right now with Don McGahn —

there could be arguments either way about whether the president wanted to waive privilege,

whether he could or should,

but at the end of the day,

that’s not necessarily a bad strategy.

What is utterly shocking is that,

when you waive privilege, and

then you find out that Don McGahn has been speaking with the special counsel’s office for 30 hours and

you’re reading about it when you find out about it in the New York Times?

That’s absolutely shocking.”

Berenzweig then went on to hammer the Trump administration

for believing they could still claim executive privilege over McGahn’s testimony

even though they’ve already made him available as a witness.

“Once waived, it’s waived permanently,” he said.

“There’s a lot of misdirection going on and the president is in significant legal peril.”
Toward the end of the segment, the attorney took one more shot at

Giuliani’s competence.“He doesn’t know the facts,

he doesn’t know the case,

he doesn’t know the law of his own case,”

he said.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/trial-lawyer-tells-cnn-giulianis-bumbling-cable-news-spots-put-trump-significant-legal-peril/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

boutons_deux
08-20-2018, 05:33 PM
https://images.dailykos.com/images/579565/story_image/Screen_Shot_2018-08-20_at_1.42.15_PM.png?1534790766

dabom
08-20-2018, 06:21 PM
https://images.dailykos.com/images/579565/story_image/Screen_Shot_2018-08-20_at_1.42.15_PM.png?1534790766

:lol

djohn2oo8
08-20-2018, 11:42 PM
Another day, Doneld still not cleared. PeeSA

Winehole23
08-21-2018, 01:01 AM
DJT will never be cleared, but he may very well evade prosecution.

TSA
08-21-2018, 02:12 AM
Another day, Doneld still not cleared. PeeSA

How’s that prison sentence coming along :rollin

TSA
08-21-2018, 02:13 AM
DJT will never be cleared, but he may very well evade prosecution.

Mueller will have no choice but to clear him.

TSA
08-21-2018, 02:14 AM
1031754223380250624another informant exposed

Pavlov
08-21-2018, 02:26 AM
frosty avenue told the TheLastRefuge2 so IT MUST BE TRUE

Winehole23
08-21-2018, 02:28 AM
frosty avenue is careful to use weasel words and pose hypotheses as questions, but you seem awfully sure of yourself TSA

Pavlov
08-21-2018, 02:30 AM
frosty avenue is careful to use weasel words and pose hypotheses as questions, but you seem awfully sure of yourselfBetteridge's Law counts for Twitter too.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 06:26 AM
How’s that prison sentence coming along :rollin
You mean For Susan Rice?

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 06:28 AM
Mueller will have no choice but to clear him.
Incorrect..It’s nervous time for you.

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 06:54 AM
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39715647_2265962746830100_9098697322459561984_n.pn g?_nc_cat=1&oh=48a3ae46390ec47d362f2fdb347bce3c&oe=5C37C5E6

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 09:17 AM
‘A suicide mission’:

Ex-prosecutor says ‘coffee boy’ George Papadopoulos would be an idiot to pull out of Mueller plea deal

The former state and federal prosecutor said

Papadopoulos needs Mueller more than the special counsel needs him.

“Even if he succeeds in withdrawing his plea, it is a suicide mission,” Honig said.

“He has nowhere to go.

He is going to trial, and

all indications are he would just get destroyed at trial.

I don’t think Mueller is sweating this one.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/suicide-mission-ex-prosecutor-says-coffee-boy-george-papadopoulos-idiot-pull-mueller-plea-deal/

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 09:43 AM
‘A suicide mission’:

Ex-prosecutor says ‘coffee boy’ George Papadopoulos would be an idiot to pull out of Mueller plea deal

The former state and federal prosecutor said

Papadopoulos needs Mueller more than the special counsel needs him.

“Even if he succeeds in withdrawing his plea, it is a suicide mission,” Honig said.

“He has nowhere to go.

He is going to trial, and

all indications are he would just get destroyed at trial.

I don’t think Mueller is sweating this one.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/suicide-mission-ex-prosecutor-says-coffee-boy-george-papadopoulos-idiot-pull-mueller-plea-deal/

They are all idiots.

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 09:54 AM
Former US attorney on MSNBC slaps down Rudy Giuliani’s claim that Mueller is ‘running out of time’

Former US attorney Greg Brower had nothing but scorn for Rudy Giuliani’s statement that “Mueller is running out of time.”

Brower agreed with MSNBC anchor Hallie Jackson’s assertion that

the comment seemed to be “more of a pr strategy than a legal strategy”,

since “Robert Mueller can do what he wants”.

“This is Giuliani being Giuliani,” Brower said. He added that

Giuliani was “trying to create spin and,

frankly, trying to create leverage of the type

that neither he nor the president really has.”

the investigation ... would “proceed on the special counsel’s time and in the way the special counsel thinks is appropriate.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/former-us-attorney-msnbc-slaps-rudy-giulianis-claim-mueller-running-time/

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 11:19 AM
If Mueller reports to Congress with the Dems heading towards control, Nunes will not be able hide the report.

Will the Dems have the guts to screw Trash to the max with Mueller's findings? I really doubt it. Dems don't have guts.

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 11:25 AM
A ‘perjury trap’ isn’t the real reason Trump won’t answer Mueller’s questions

when Giuliani and Trump insist that Mueller is laying a perjury trap,

they’re admitting that if Mueller asks certain questions, Trump will respond by lying.

In ordinary circumstances, there are plenty of reasons that someone suspected of a crime wouldn’t want to answer questions from police or prosecutors even if they’re innocent, but

“If I let you ask me questions, I’ll lie and then you’ll indict me for perjury” is not a particularly compelling defense.

Facing an informed interrogator able to ask follow-up questions,

he would also almost certainly wind up looking evasive, self-contradictory, disingenuous — in a word, guilty.
Though Trump might well commit perjury if forced to answer Mueller’s questions, he won’t face prosecution for it.

But

everyone would see him desperately distract, deflect and dissemble in answer to questions about Russia and obstruction of justice.

That’s the real danger that Trump faces: not legal danger, but political danger.
An interview with Mueller might not make impeachment and removal from office more likely (he has a firewall of Republican support in Congress to prevent that),

but it will almost certainly make a defeat in 2020 more likely.

His lawyers have certainly seen what has happened when Trump has been deposed before, and the results weren’t pretty.

In one case (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/), he was forced 30 separate times to admit lies he had told. In another deposition (https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/donald-trump-university-memory-224712),

regarding the fraud lawsuit over Trump University,

Trump claimed to be unable to remember so many specific things that

the opposing lawyer eventually asked him whether he remembered saying he has one of the world’s best memories. :lol

Trump said he couldn’t remember saying that. (In fact, he had (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/amid-latest-controversy-trump-claims-worlds-greatest-memory-n468621).)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/21/a-perjury-trap-isnt-the-real-reason-trump-wont-answer-muellers-questions/?utm_term=.cdaee5a741f8&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Reck
08-21-2018, 11:31 AM
Mueller will have no choice but to clear him.

Elaborate please.

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 12:35 PM
UPDATED: Russia Is Now Working to Protect Puppet President Trump from Attacks from the Right (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/21/1789761/-Russia-Is-Now-Working-to-Protect-Puppet-President-Trump-from-Attacks-from-the-Right)
https://images.dailykos.com/images/571886/story_image/trump-putins-puppet.jpg?1532965203


BOSTON — The Russian military intelligence unit that sought to influence the 2016 election appears to have a new target:

conservative American think tanks that have broken with President Trump and

are seeking continued sanctions against Moscow, exposing oligarchs or pressing for human rights.

In a report scheduled for release on Tuesday, Microsoft Corporation said that it detected and seized websites that were created in recent weeks by hackers linked to the Russian unit formerly known as the G.R.U.

The sites appeared meant to trick people into thinking they were clicking through links managed by the Hudson Institute and the International Republican Institute,

but were secretly redirected to web pages created by the hackers to steal passwords and other credentials.

Microsoft also found websites imitating the United States Senate, but not specific Senate offices or political campaigns.

The shift to attacking conservative think tanks underscores

the Russian intelligence agency’s goals:

to disrupt any institutions challenging Moscow and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.





And, efforts to sow division on the left continue as well.

...Only days later, in a report first released to members of Congress, Facebook revealed that it had discovered and eliminated an influence operation aimed at fueling divisions among Americans (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/facebook-political-campaign-midterms.html) by targeting progressive groups.

Facebook stopped short of naming Russia as the culprit of that campaign, although the social media company pointed to similarities between the influence operation and previous work by the Russian state-linked Internet Research Agency (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-troll-factory.html).


We are effectively at war with Russia, if ‘only’ digitally.

The fact that our government is currently led by a toddler-in-chief

backed by a party of oligarchs, racists, and partisan hacks who are fine with that only makes it worse.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/21/1789761/-Russia-Is-Now-Working-to-Protect-Puppet-President-Trump-from-Attacks-from-the-Right?detail=emaildkre

RandomGuy
08-21-2018, 01:18 PM
1031299954030067712

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

White House counsel has NO attorney client privilege.

Pavlov
08-21-2018, 01:35 PM
:lmao is that why the FBI terminated him and he’s facing multiple lawsuits for defamation? :lmao1031921464369401857

Props to TSA and his active rooting for Russian oligarchs tho.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 01:36 PM
Flynn sentencing delayed again. Still cooperating

RandomGuy
08-21-2018, 01:47 PM
"Which one is it?"- Pavlov

:lol

Obviously you don't actually believe anything. Just talking points. :lol

Just remember, the earth is cooler since Donald took office. Global warming solved!!

:rollin

RandomGuy
08-21-2018, 01:50 PM
Mueller Probe Looks at Trump Fundraiser Pay-to-Play With China, Malaysia
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/mueller-probe-looks-at-trump-fundraiser-pay-to-play-with-china-malaysia/

Why hasn't anybody sued Trash for emoluments violations? Enough legal minds are convinced he and his family are violators.

There is a lawsuit in the works.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/us/politics/trump-emoluments-lawsuit.html

In Ruling Against Trump, Judge Defines Anticorruption Clauses in Constitution for First Time
WASHINGTON — A lawsuit accusing President Trump of violating the Constitution by maintaining a financial interest in his company’s Washington hotel cleared a critical hurdle on Wednesday when a federal judge allowed the case to move forward.

In the first judicial opinion to define how the meaning of the Constitution’s anticorruption clauses should apply to a president, Judge Peter J. Messitte of the United States District Court in Greenbelt, Md., said the framers’ language should be broadly construed as an effort to protect against influence-peddling by state and foreign governments.

-------------------------------------------

It makes "high crimes and misdemeanors" a lot easier to prove, if so.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 01:56 PM
1031921464369401857

Props to TSA and his active rooting for Russian oligarchs tho.
horrible day for ol boy

Reck
08-21-2018, 02:02 PM
How and when did I lie?

You quoted a post of mine saying Bannon wasn't going to flip. Cohen in the other hand, has.

You failed miserably.


You're a liar.
Chris (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1656) :lmao

spurraider21
08-21-2018, 02:06 PM
how has he flipped? he's not cooperating as far as we know.

flipping would be cooperating for leniency. just pleading guilty and eating your time is the opposite of flipping, especially if he's expecting a pardon for doing so

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 02:22 PM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/donald-trump-don-mcgahn-robert-mueller-twitter-rage/amp

interesting article. Trump blaming Giuliani :lol

RandomGuy
08-21-2018, 02:40 PM
http://www.startribune.com/jury-in-manafort-trial-enters-4th-day-of-deliberations/491355791/

[edit]Looking like the jury is about done, and has decided on most charges, unknown as to verdict yet]

Not from above link, but here is a good analysis from Thomas Clay Jr.:



Stick a fork in Manafort because he is done. This morning his high dollar lawyer had to tell him he is done. Guilty on all counts but one it looks like. One conviction on any of the counts means he dies in prison. It looks like they are hung on one charge.

Michael Cohen is about to plead guilty today in the SDNY. He has been acting like a guilty man who has finally realized he is caught and he is doomed. The indictments are not even filed and he folded up faster than a cheap lawn chair. "I will take a bullet for Donald Trump." Except when push came to shove, he wouldn't even take a single day in jail for Trump. Like his hero, Cohen is a spineless coward.

So let us take a look at the board. Bobby Mulls has 4 pawns, 1 bishop, 1 knight pinned and he's about to capture both rooks. Bobby Mulls has almost all his pieces. All that's left is the family. Jared, Ivanka, Eric, Junior, Hope Hicks, Fox and himself. The thing is, they're morons. ALL OF THEM. Bobby Mulls is not. He has the captains in this crime family which means he has the Don.

When the guilty verdicts are announced, he will come even more unglued. Mueller wants him to pardon Manafart. He wants him to make that mistake and because Trump is an imbecile, he will walk right into the trap. Pardoning Manafort will mean he has no regard for the Justice Department or the rule of law. Think about that for a moment. A president who thinks the rule of law does not apply to him is what?

Yeah, a tyrant.

When a jury of his American peers deliver guilty verdicts, he can't say this is a witch hunt. He will try but that will be untenable even with his most dedicated base. The entire country will know then, without question, that Trump is a crook.

That just might be a tipping point for Republican senators if we serve them a Blue Tsunami in November. Trump thinks he has done nothing wrong and that might be to a man who is so wholly ignorant of the law. 'Well I didn't know it was illegal to take a meeting with Russians. Nobody knows that so I am innocent.' Yeah, that's not how the law works.

Both captains are going down today. Cohen's plea will be entered in 2 hours. The wheels of justice grind slowly but right now, they're like a run away freight train. Robert Mueller III is playing like the prosecutorial assassin that he is. They're all going down. ALL OF THEM. Trump knows it now.

Cue a lot of firing and the Saturday Night Massacre. You think you've seen chaos? Elect a clown, expect a circus and from here on out, the shit storm only gets worse. He's coming for the Don now. That reality is going to drive Trump to a new level of insanity.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 03:39 PM
Manafort found guilty on count 1

Reck
08-21-2018, 03:41 PM
Manafort found guilty on count 1

Make that 8.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 03:42 PM
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spurraider21
08-21-2018, 03:42 PM
Natasha Bertrand tweeted that he's guilty of 8 counts... but I think she's mistaken and meant there is a verdict on 8 counts.

edit: well nevermind, per djohn's posted tweet above. guess she was right

spurraider21
08-21-2018, 03:44 PM
1032004535605231616

wonder if the govt will retry the other 10. they will probably poll the jury and see what the actual count was. if it was something like 9-3 or 10-2 for a guilty verdict they'll likely retry imo

RandomGuy
08-21-2018, 03:47 PM
1031754223380250624another informant exposed

It that Cohen pleading out, or Manafort being found guilty of the first crime?

Reck
08-21-2018, 03:49 PM
In the other hand news breaking that Cohen has pleaded guilty to 8 counts himself.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 03:55 PM
In the other hand news breaking that Cohen has pleaded guilty to 8 counts himself.
And it’s barely almost 4 o’clock.

spurraider21
08-21-2018, 04:24 PM
1024377098826342400
i must have missed that tbh :lol


Sure Pavlov.

zaknV3FMGow


So Judge Nap is a big fat liar.

lol Pavlov
i dont know, you tell me

Reck
08-21-2018, 04:29 PM
how has he flipped? he's not cooperating as far as we know.

flipping would be cooperating for leniency. just pleading guilty and eating your time is the opposite of flipping, especially if he's expecting a pardon for doing so

https://twitter.com/PreetBharara/status/1032015731951587329

Looks like a flip to me. Unitended or otherwise. :lol

In all seriousness, the chances are high that he will cooperate in some way with Mueller if Cohen has something of worth.

spurraider21
08-21-2018, 04:31 PM
agreed that his statement amounts to a flip for all intents and purposes. a good soldier would have taken the blame all for himself and just waited for a pardon, instead of admitting trump was aware of it. though given videotape recordings, would probably be difficult to try to claim trump had no knowledge

Pavlov
08-21-2018, 04:37 PM
Tonight's Trump infrastructure week rally is gonna be lit!

He's gonna have to revoke Obama's security clearance to counter today's news.

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 04:45 PM
Flynn guilty, flipped

Papa Dop, guilty, flipped

Manafort, guilty

Cohen, guilty

but Trash is purely innocent, right?

Pavlov
08-21-2018, 04:46 PM
Flynn guilty, flipped

Papa Dop, guilty, flipped

Manafort, guilty

Cohen, guilty

but Trash is purely innocent, right?Technically, Cohen flipped harder than anyone so far.

florige
08-21-2018, 04:51 PM
Technically, Cohen flipped harder than anyone so far.


Trump is sweating right now.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 05:03 PM
1032016149670752258

GB20
08-21-2018, 05:06 PM
1032016149670752258
wow!!

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 05:08 PM
10 legal experts on why Trump can’t pardon his way out of the Russia investigation
Paul Manafort was just convicted. Here’s what you need to know about the president’s pardon power.
Lisa Kern Griffin, law professor, Duke University
Many offenses — including some of the financial crimes included in the Manafort indictment — are also crimes under state law. The president can pardon only for federal offenses, and defendants counting on a blanket pardon may find that it does not cover all potential prosecutions.
If the president issues a pardon in order to influence a witness and impede the investigation, that would also be a further act of obstruction. Although he has the legal authority to pardon, he cannot use that power to commit another crime.

Julie O’Sullivan, law professor, Georgetown University
If — and this is a big if — the president is shown to have pardoned them to avoid his own personal exposure in the Russia investigation, that in and of itself could constitute obstruction of justice.

Mark Tushnet, law professor, Harvard University
Basically, even after a pardon, people who Mueller wants testimony from will still be negotiating for immunity grants.

Asha Rangappa, associate dean, Yale Law School
If President Trump pardons subjects of Mueller's investigation, they will be unable to claim their Fifth Amendment rights if they are asked to testify under oath.

In theory, this would then facilitate Mueller's investigation, as these individuals would have to tell Mueller everything they know.

What Trump's pardon of Arpaio reveals, however, is that he is not above subverting the judicial process to reward those who stay loyal to him.

Joshua Dressler, law professor, Ohio State University
If President Trump pardons someone involved in the Russian investigation, it may depend when he pardons that person.

Paul Butler, law professor, Georgetown University
A pardon is different from a blanket grant of immunity, however, so a person pardoned by the president might still claim the Fifth Amendment privilege in testifying about the subject of the pardon — for example, there might be a legitimate concern about a state prosecution for the same conduct.

Christopher Slobogin, law professor, Vanderbilt University
If Congress doesn’t like the president’s use of the pardon, its only legal remedy is impeachment, although it could also hold hearings to embarrass him.

Peter Shane, law professor, Ohio State University
Russiagate pardons would pose some strategic risks for Trump. No one pardoned could constitutionally withhold their testimony in either a criminal investigation or from Congress.

Russiagate pardons would pose some strategic risks for Trump. No one pardoned could constitutionally withhold their testimony in either a criminal investigation or from Congress.

While Trump's "conscience" has yet to display itself, both Congress and the voters can hold him to account "in his political character."

Ric Simmons, law professor, Ohio State University
So even though Flynn or Manafort or Kushner would not necessarily be admitting guilt if they accepted a pardon, their pardon would mean that it would be much easier to get them to testify about their actions.

Andy Wright, law professor, Savannah Law School
President Trump did significant further damage to his presidency by pardoning Joe Arpaio.

Any attempt to pardon Russia figures on naked cronyism grounds would enhance the president’s legal troubles and backfire politically.

If Flynn still refused to testify, Congress could detain him and jail him in the Capitol building until he agreed to testify to Congress’s satisfaction.

This practice is called “inherent contempt,”

and either the Senate or House can act to jail a contemptuous witness on its own.

A pardon would not reach Congress’s contempt jailing because it is a civil, rather than criminal, detention.

With each abnormal, unbecoming, or dishonorable act, President Trump makes it harder for his appointees to defend him,

harder for traditional Republicans to maintain their uneasy power alliance with him, and

easier for Democrats to take the moral high ground and secure political advantage.
President Trump is in danger of snuffing out his candle in the first year of his presidency.


https://www.vox.com/2017/8/29/16211784/manafort-charges-trial-trump-pardon-power

Reck
08-21-2018, 05:24 PM
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1032029683947319296

WTF is happening to the party of values? :cry

Coming undone at the seams.

Pavlov
08-21-2018, 05:26 PM
Well, this would be the headline any other day under any other president.

1031981764015779842

Pavlov
08-21-2018, 05:30 PM
So where are the goalposts now?

Well, Trump committed federal crimes but not the ones you wanted! PZWNED!

Chris
08-21-2018, 05:33 PM
1031997973142687746
1032003914311323648
1032004499374854144
1032005703840538625
1032006950731612162
1032007547081961479

Monostradamus
08-21-2018, 05:36 PM
1032004499374854144
"i won't let them" :lmao

Reck
08-21-2018, 05:43 PM
https://twitter.com/politico/status/1032034183525359617

:lmao

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 06:50 PM
Trump advisers privately confess he’s being protected by the Office of the President
the president’s associates believe it’s the official position that will ultimately protect him.

Trump allies and advisers privately say the office of the presidency is protecting him from what he might otherwise face,”

she tweeted Tuesday.

“Prosecutors would not have accepted Cohen’s plea if they did not believe he was making true statements about what took place around the campaign finance crimes.”

The comment was in response to Fox News correspondent John Roberts, who tweeted that

sources close to Trump are telling him, “remember, the President cannot be indicted.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/trump-advisers-privately-confess-hes-protected-office-president/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 06:54 PM
iow, Trash's mafiya KNOW he's guilty, AND protected by the Office of so-called Presidency

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 07:06 PM
What the Manafort Verdict Means

It’s Robert Mueller’s biggest victory yet, in one of the most successful special counsel investigations in history.

five guilty pleas,

32 indicted individuals,

187 charges revealing startling evidence of Russia’s 2016 attack on our democracy, and

now the conviction of one of the top operators in the Trump campaign orbit.

It instead is one of the most successful special counsel investigations in history.

the trial evidence included Mr. Manafort’s close ties to pro-Russia forces and his desperate financial straits as he “volunteered” his time for the next president.

The trial revealed how willing Mr. Manafort was to corruptly leverage his position of influence over Mr. Trump during the campaign for his own personal benefit.

He offered briefings to a pro-Russia Ukrainian oligarch and

dangled a position in the Trump administration in front of a banker

who provided him a loan for which he would not otherwise have qualified.

The conviction also shows the caliber of the foe that President Trump is facing

as he decides whether or not to sit for an interview with Mr. Mueller focusing on obstruction of justice.

We should now prepare for a potential extended legal battle (https://s3.amazonaws.com/storage.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/28214023/ACS-CREW-Report-Evidentiary-Privileges-Can-Do-Little-to-Block-Trump-Related-Investigations.pdf) about the scope and power of a possible Mueller-issued subpoena for the president’s testimony.

his win in the Manafort case sends Mr. Trump the message that the special counsel and his team have the will and the ability to win a battle over a subpoena.

Mr. Manafort’s conviction should also send chills down the spines of other potential defendants, possibly including the president’s son Donald Trump Jr. and his informal adviser Roger Stone.

Mr. Cohen had previously suggested publicly that he has information to share (https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-cohen-flip-on-trump-give-prosecutors-information-russia-2018-6), and

today he implicated the president by indicating that Candidate Trump instructed him to make illegal payments to influence the election.

Notably, Mr. Cohen’s plea agreement does not provide him with any protection from additional charges that could be brought against him by the special counsel.

should Mr. Trump pardon him,

Mr. Manafort should expect state attorneys general to pick up under applicable state laws

the threads of corruption and tax fraud that Mr. Mueller has already woven together.

The Constitution and the laws of our country do not allow Mr. Trump to dangle the possibility of, or explicitly offer, pardons with corrupt intent.

If his fawning statements about Mr. Manafort (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/us/politics/manafort-trial-trump.html) during the jury deliberations were part of an effort to impede or harm the investigation,

that could be used to support the obstruction of justice case against him.

If he or his representatives had gone further and actually promised or offered pardons to Mr. Manafort or other potential Mueller witnesses to prevent or change their testimony,

as some reports suggest (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/28/us/politics/trump-pardon-michael-flynn-paul-manafort-john-dowd.html), that could support bribery charges as well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/21/opinion/guilty-verdict-paul-manafort.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 07:13 PM
Trump rally crowd chants “lock her up” as Trump ignores Manafort and Cohen

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-sLSEGmNjRnx1AJ5Olln1ShrqQs=/0x0:3000x2000/1220x813/filters:focal(809x293:1289x773):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/60974405/1020907610.jpg.0.jpg

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17766468/trump-rally-manafort-cohen-clinton-lock-her-up-west-virginia
:lol goddamn, Trash's cultist are stupid, hopeless, loser mofos

TSA
08-21-2018, 07:44 PM
1032029459086487553

:lol minus the whole Russia thing, solid analysis.

ElNono
08-21-2018, 09:12 PM
I’m actually starting to feel bad for Mueller, this investigation will be a stain on his career.

:lol you can stop feeling bad now, tbh...

Reck
08-21-2018, 09:25 PM
:lol you can stop feeling bad now, tbh...

:lol Added to TSA's greatest hits.

spurraider21
08-21-2018, 09:27 PM
:lol you can stop feeling bad now, tbh...
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/47/856/7856047.gif

Brazil
08-21-2018, 09:40 PM
:lol you can stop feeling bad now, tbh...

:lmao

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 09:42 PM
:lol you can stop feeling bad now, tbh...
:lmao

Brazil
08-21-2018, 09:43 PM
This whole presidency is a disgrace tbh.. what a fucking mess.. :lmao

TSA
08-21-2018, 10:02 PM
:lol you can stop feeling bad now, tbh...

:lol giving Mueller credit for non-Trump/Russia collusion cases handed off to other districts

:lol today’s Nonos

ElNono
08-21-2018, 10:10 PM
Mueller's team prosecuted Manafort and secured a guilty verdict. Mueller's team obtained Cohen's guilty plea.

Safe to say there's no reason to feel bad for Mueller so far...

:lol doubling down on stupid

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 10:13 PM
:lmao

Reck
08-21-2018, 10:14 PM
:lol giving Mueller credit for non-Trump/Russia collusion cases handed off to other districts

:lol today’s Nonos

Getting your shit pushed in tonight, pizzaboy. :lol

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 10:16 PM
Chris seems despondent about the Manafort news

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 10:23 PM
WV scammed cultists tonight undeterred in the their faith in Trash

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 10:24 PM
Follow the money: how Mueller’s team made the Manafort case
https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/21/follow-the-money-how-muellers-team-made-the-manafort-case.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 10:26 PM
I'm sure Mueller followed and knows EVERYTHING about Trash's money flows, tax returns, etc.

TSA
08-21-2018, 10:28 PM
Mueller's team prosecuted Manafort and secured a guilty verdict. Mueller's team obtained Cohen's guilty plea.

Safe to say there's no reason to feel bad for Mueller so far...

:lol doubling down on stupid

Mueller has to find Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy to avoid an embarrassment of an investigation.

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 10:28 PM
WATCH: CNN’s Anderson Cooper destroys Rick "man on dog" Santorum

after he said Trump ‘didn’t surround himself with criminals’ :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/watch-cnns-andeson-cooper-destroys-rick-santorum-after-he-said-trump-didnt-surround-himself-with-criminals/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

inSaneTorum just another shitbag Catholic extremist

TSA
08-21-2018, 10:29 PM
I'm sure Mueller followed and knows EVERYTHING about Trash's money flows, tax returns, etc.

Trump has EVERYTHING. Access to EVERYTHING, he’s had it since he took office.

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 10:33 PM
Rachel Maddow Adds To Trump’s Nightmares With Potential Indictment Of The Trump Organization

the Trump Organization was implicated in Michael Cohen’s crimes, which means that Trump’s company may be facing indictment.

Maddow said,

“The president’s company, his business, the Trump Organization, also appears to be implicated in the description of this crime.

Because it is the president’s company that is apparently the entity that reimbursed Michael Cohen for the illegal payoff.

It was $130,000 illegal payoff to Stormy Daniels.

They not only reimbursed him for the payoff.

They also paid off a lot more on top of the reimbursement.

It is spelled out that Michael Cohen put out this $130,000 as the payoff

but then Trump Organization, the president’s business, paid him back.

Not $130,000.

They paid him back over $420,000.

For having provided that service.

And that service, of course, was a felony for which Mr. Cohen will now go to prison.

They paid him a lot of money to do that.

I don’t know if you can indict a president

but I’m pretty sure you can indict president’s company.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/21/rachel-maddow-trump-organization-indictment.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

ElNono
08-21-2018, 10:34 PM
Mueller has to find Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy to avoid an embarrassment of an investigation.

The fact that pretty much everybody he went after is crooked/has plenty of skeletons is a huge plus in that pursuit, tbh.

That said, I'm also with Winehole that even if he finds dirt, his hands are tied as far as going after the prez (he can send a doc to Congress and that's pretty much it).

Nevertheless, Mueller is certainly draining the swamp so far...

ElNono
08-21-2018, 10:37 PM
There's also the entertainment factor that this alleged "Witch Hunt" has secured a good amount of convictions and guilty pleas, tbh, making the clown in charge look like the fool he is...

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 10:52 PM
"his hands are tied as far as going after the prez "

SCOTUS decided,"settled law", that Clinton had to show up for Starr's subpoena.

Mueller can't subpoena Trash? special counselor can't but special prosecutor can?


The more serious problem with this argument is that it is suspiciously like the one the court rejected unanimously in Clinton v. Jones (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/520/681/case.html),

in which the court concluded that a sitting president is not absolutely immune from civil litigation for conduct that took place before he became president.

Bill Clinton, in that case, argued that forcing a sitting president to answer a civil complaint would unduly distract him from his duties as president.

In the course of reviewing the relevant precedents, Justice John Paul Stevens offered the following observations:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-presidency-trump-special-counsel-subpoena (https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-presidency-trump-special-counsel-subpoena)

TSA
08-21-2018, 10:55 PM
The fact that pretty much everybody he went after is crooked/has plenty of skeletons is a huge plus in that pursuit, tbh.

That said, I'm also with Winehole that even if he finds dirt, his hands are tied as far as going after the prez (he can send a doc to Congress and that's pretty much it).

Nevertheless, Mueller is certainly draining the swamp so far...

He can’t tie anyone he’s gone after to Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy. What’s his next step...trying to get Trump on obstructing an investigation that he couldn’t find a crime for? That’s laughable and embarrassing. That’s where it’s headed.

TSA
08-21-2018, 10:58 PM
There's also the entertainment factor that this alleged "Witch Hunt" has secured a good amount of convictions and guilty pleas, tbh, making the clown in charge look like the fool he is...

And none of them have anything to do Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy ie a witch hunt.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 11:04 PM
And none of them have anything to do Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy ie a witch hunt.
You said nobody was going to jail besides Susan Rice.

djohn2oo8
08-21-2018, 11:06 PM
Oh. And Trump directly implicated in a crime. You can’t spin it.

ElNono
08-21-2018, 11:22 PM
He can’t tie anyone he’s gone after to Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy. What’s his next step...trying to get Trump on obstructing an investigation that he couldn’t find a crime for? That’s laughable and embarrassing. That’s where it’s headed.


And none of them have anything to do Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy ie a witch hunt.

This shouldn't be surprising at all to you, tbh, I already told you that the fact that Manafort wasn't tried for collusion/conspiracy doesn't mean Mueller isn't investigating collusion/conspiracy. This trial, guilty verdict sends a message to people like Cohen, etc that have plenty of skeletons in the closet that he's out to get them, and he'll find the buried bodies. Cohen is smart in cutting a deal, event though he's playing right into what Mueller needs. Now comes bargaining time, and Mueller has all the leverage.

And you're obviating that Mueller already indicted Russian agents for meddling in the election, so he definitely already found a crime. The question really is the degree of association between those people and Trump's people, and what Trump actually knew. He's not going to get that information directly from Trump, but associates that handled the campaign are a different story. I can't say for a fact that will yield what Mueller needs for his investigation, but it was the obvious, clear path strategy to dismantle what can only be described as a mafia-like association.

Obviously, the fact that the prez is consistently surrounded by shady characters like these is probably more than a mere coincidence, but we'll know more as the investigation continues and seeing where the chips fall...

boutons_deux
08-21-2018, 11:25 PM
Trump has EVERYTHING. Access to EVERYTHING, he’s had it since he took office.

wtf? :lol

Chucho
08-21-2018, 11:39 PM
It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". They might not get him on collision but they'll have enough to force him out.

Winehole23
08-22-2018, 12:13 AM
It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". They might not get him on collision but they'll have enough to force him out.you think the next Congress will impeach DJT? or that DJT will step down?

Winehole23
08-22-2018, 12:32 AM
the fact that the prez is consistently surrounded by shady characters like these is probably more than a mere coincidencethe trend isn't good. DJT needs a break.

Chucho
08-22-2018, 12:58 AM
you think the next Congress will impeach DJT? or that DJT will step down?

Honestly, I think he steps down after ensuring he's teflon and then goes on maniacally blasting off everywhere he can about conspiracy theories. it's going to end really ugly.

Spurtacular
08-22-2018, 01:35 AM
Honestly, I think he steps down after ensuring he's teflon and then goes on maniacally blasting off everywhere he can about conspiracy theories. it's going to end really ugly.

Honestly, that's just your fantasy. You're a twat.

Pavlov
08-22-2018, 01:48 AM
wtf? :lol

TSA is parroting Qanon. He completely bought into that shit last year and can't quit it now.

boutons_deux
08-22-2018, 05:13 AM
:lol giving Mueller credit for non-Trump/Russia collusion cases handed off to other districts

:lol today’s Nonos

Manafort and Cohen convictions weren't Russian cases.

My guess is that Mueller's team got the information and gave to other legal teams to deliver the coups de grace.

Cohen clearly stated he conspired with "candidate-1" before the election to violate Fed election laws, and Maddow pointed out that Trash's company paid the conspiracy funds.

boutons_deux
08-22-2018, 05:25 AM
All the President’s Men: Major newspapers rip Trump for damning ties to criminals

the editorial boards at both the New York Times and the Washington Post offered devastating takes on the White House’s greatly diminished moral and legal standing.

“Only a complete fantasist — that is, only President Trump and his cult — could continue to claim (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/us/politics/fact-check-trump-russia-election-interference-.html) that this investigation of foreign subversion of an American election,

which has already yielded dozens of other indictments and several guilty pleas, is a ‘hoax’ or ‘scam’ or ‘rigged witch hunt,'”

“For a president who had promised to hire only the best, the twin results represented a stunning rebuke.”


Throughout these prosecutions, Mr. Trump vacillated between

distancing himself from Mr. Manafort (he worked for the president for only “a very short period of time (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/03/the-manafort-trial-has-president-trump-very-worried/)”) and

embracing him (he is “a very good person (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/politics/paul-manafort-trial-friday/index.html)”).

Similarly, Mr. Trump flipped from fury that Mr. Cohen’s offices were raided to claiming (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen-is-in-plea-discussions-with-federal-prosecutors-according-to-a-person-familiar-with-the-matter/2018/08/21/5fbd7f34-8510-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html) that

he and Mr. Cohen were never all that close.

This contradictory excuse-making should not distract from the fact that

the president has staffed his campaign and administration with

shady characters,

fringe ideologues and

other opportunistic hangers-on

who would never have approached their high positions but for Mr. Trump’s lack of judgment.

The Times notes that Manafort’s history, in particular, was deeply troubling at the time Trump hired him.

He has worked for dictators and undemocratic leaders on the international stage.

It notes that, in fact, Trump may have hired Manfort exactly for this experience, rather than despite this past.

“For a witch hunt, Mr. Mueller’s investigation has already bagged a remarkable number of witches.

Only the best witches, you might say.” :lol

Meanwhile, the Post says the ball is now in Congress’ court, whether it likes it or not.

But legislators cannot in good conscience ignore an alleged co-conspirator in the White House.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/presidents-men-major-newspapers-rip-trump-damning-ties-criminals/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

legislators cannot in good conscience :lol

Repug Congress has no conscience, morals, ethics, only well-paid dictates from the oligarchy,

which itself doesn't GIVE A CAPITALIST's FUCK about conscience, morals, ethics,

cares exclusively about amassing more Capital, which is the overwhelming priority of Capital

RandomGuy
08-22-2018, 09:50 AM
Mueller has to find Trump/Russia election collusion/conspiracy to avoid an embarrassment of an investigation.

There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials.

Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

Now, if you can get your tongue out of Scumbag Donny's trousers long enough to read:

Why the question of whether Michael Cohen visited Prague is massively important for Donald Trump

The Steele dossier claimed Cohen went to Prague to meet Russians. He’s said for more than a year that he didn’t.
That’s because the claim that such a meeting happened is one of the most specific claims in Christopher Steele’s dossier alleging collusion between the Trump team and Russia to influence the 2016 election — and because, since the very first day that dossier was publicly released, Cohen has adamantly denied taking any such trip, and Trump’s team has relied on that denial to dispute the dossier’s accuracy. “I have never been to Prague in my life. #fakenews,” Cohen tweeted on January 10, 2017, hours after the dossier was posted.

Yet a new report from McClatchy’s Peter Stone and Greg Gordon claims that special counsel Robert Mueller has evidence that Cohen did, in fact, enter Prague through Germany at the height of the 2016 campaign, in “August or early September.”
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17236660/michael-cohen-prague-trump-steele-dossier


Why would the presidents personal lawyer secretly travel to Prague to meet with Russian officials?

DarrinS
08-22-2018, 09:52 AM
1032035600008802304

RandomGuy
08-22-2018, 09:56 AM
It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". They might not get him on collision but they'll have enough to force him out.

They will get him on collusion, and obstruction of justice in multiple cases.

Clinton lied about a blowjob.

Trump did waaaay more than that. I am pretty certain Trump's crimes includes money laundering.

He is, quite plainly, a criminal.

So now, the party of "moral values" has to semen shield for him.

djohn2oo8
08-22-2018, 09:56 AM
Darrin says felonies good.

DarrinS
08-22-2018, 10:07 AM
There has already been collusion, you fuckwitted simpleton.

The Steele dossier outlined a bunch of people in Trumps orbit, including Cohen who met with various Russian officials.

Every single one of those meetings was confirmed to one degree or another, but they could never quite find enough on Cohen to 100% confirm it. *from what was available publicly.

So now, Cohen is going to detail just how he committed treason with the Scumbag Donny.

Now, if you can get your tongue out of Scumbag Donny's trousers long enough to read:

Why the question of whether Michael Cohen visited Prague is massively important for Donald Trump

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/13/17236660/michael-cohen-prague-trump-steele-dossier


Why would the presidents personal lawyer secretly travel to Prague to meet with Russian officials?





When federal prosecutors induced Cohen to plead out after poring over his finances and legal work, the most they got from him was to claim that non-disclosure agreements he arranged with two women were actually campaign contributions. He didn’t cop to anything in the dossier that has undergirded the Russia investigation — not an alleged visit to Prague to arrange treasonous collusion, nor any involvement with the hacking of Democratic emails.



http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/22/6-takeaways-about-paul-manafort-and-michael-cohens-legal-woes/

RandomGuy
08-22-2018, 10:08 AM
Rachel Maddow Adds To Trump’s Nightmares With Potential Indictment Of The Trump Organization

the Trump Organization was implicated in Michael Cohen’s crimes, which means that Trump’s company may be facing indictment.

Maddow said,

“The president’s company, his business, the Trump Organization, also appears to be implicated in the description of this crime.

Because it is the president’s company that is apparently the entity that reimbursed Michael Cohen for the illegal payoff.

It was $130,000 illegal payoff to Stormy Daniels.

They not only reimbursed him for the payoff.

They also paid off a lot more on top of the reimbursement.

It is spelled out that Michael Cohen put out this $130,000 as the payoff

but then Trump Organization, the president’s business, paid him back.

Not $130,000.

They paid him back over $420,000.

For having provided that service.

And that service, of course, was a felony for which Mr. Cohen will now go to prison.

They paid him a lot of money to do that.

I don’t know if you can indict a president

but I’m pretty sure you can indict president’s company.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/08/21/rachel-maddow-trump-organization-indictment.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29




What I wonder is what else did that money pay for?

Assuming that part of that money was for a payout, that leaves the purpose of the other $290,000.

Profit for Cohen... or reimbursement for other payouts we DON'T know about?

My guess is there is another shoe to drop, i.e. the latter.

Reck
08-22-2018, 10:11 AM
1032035600008802304

Who's saying that?

Chucho
08-22-2018, 10:11 AM
They will get him on collusion, and obstruction of justice in multiple cases.

Clinton lied about a blowjob.

Trump did waaaay more than that. I am pretty certain Trump's crimes includes money laundering.

He is, quite plainly, a criminal.

So now, the party of "moral values" has to semen shield for him.

The right thing to do as a party is admit he's done and let's get Pence in there.

DarrinS
08-22-2018, 10:12 AM
So, Manafort is your typical shady DC swamp creature and Trump paid off two Stormies.

:lol

RandomGuy
08-22-2018, 10:13 AM
http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/22/6-takeaways-about-paul-manafort-and-michael-cohens-legal-woes/

Look at Darrin with his bad self, googling shit like a grown up.

Now, if you had more than two brain cells to rub together at this point, you might have asked yourself what Cohen is giving up in exchange for his guilty plea?

What do you think that is, geenyus?

DarrinS
08-22-2018, 10:15 AM
Look at Darrin with his bad self, googling shit like a grown up.

Now, if you had more than two brain cells to rub together at this point, you might have asked yourself what Cohen is giving up in exchange for his guilty plea?

What do you think that is, geenyus?


He didn’t give up a trip to Prague, geenyus. :lmao

RandomGuy
08-22-2018, 10:16 AM
He didn’t give up a trip to Prague, geenyus. :lmao

How do you know that Darrin?

Do tell.

Pavlov
08-22-2018, 10:17 AM
So, Manafort is your typical shady DC swamp creature and Trump paid off two Stormies.

:lol Darrin loves him some federal crimes.

djohn2oo8
08-22-2018, 10:20 AM
Darrin loves him some federal crimes.
More than his country

RandomGuy
08-22-2018, 10:20 AM
Trump has EVERYTHING. Access to EVERYTHING, he’s had it since he took office.

:lol

Assuming Donald Trump reads... :rollin

djohn2oo8
08-22-2018, 10:21 AM
:lol

Assuming Donald Trump reads... :rollin
Trump didn’t even know McGhan would go in there and spill his guts :lol

RandomGuy
08-22-2018, 10:23 AM
He didn’t give up a trip to Prague, geenyus. :lmao

How many crimes and of what nature are you going to let the president get away with, before you care, Darrin?

You hypocritical sack of shit.