Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[djohn2oo8]

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[spurraider21]

benghazi was investigated for 4+ years and a bipartisan committee chaired by Trey Gowdy published a full report.

people are whining about 8 months of trump investigation but still think clinton will go to prison for a 2012 incident that's been thoroughly reviewed

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s White House is divided over Russia

Trump's willingness to get closer with Russia has worried some of his national security and foreign policy advisers

There is a rift between President Donald Trump and both his national security and foreign policy advisers.

According (https://apnews.com/4b4b7e380f204b45a8c3055a5d45255e/Trump&#/39;s-embrace-of-Russia-making-top-advisers-wary) to a new Associated Press report, the top White House officials have continued to urge Trump to take a cautious approach when dealing with Russia and things have only gotten worse since a second meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin was revealed this week.


Deep divisions are increasingly apparent within the administration on the best way to approach Moscow in the midst of U.S. investigations into Russian meddling in the American presidential election.

Trump has repeatedly cast doubt on the conclusion of U.S. intelligence agencies that the Russian government sought to tip the election in his favor and has dismissed investigations into the possibility of collusion between his campaign and Moscow as a “witch hunt.”


McMaster has repeatedly warned the president not to trust Putin.

“There are no meaningless conversations between presidents,” Jeffrey Edmonds, the National Security Council’s former Russia director told the AP.

“Relations have been at an all-time low because of Russian meddling in our elections and so it’s hard to see how a meeting with President Putin for an hour during dinner isn’t important.”

One foreign official told the AP that U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials were left “dumbfounded.”

http://www.salon.com/2017/07/20/trumps-white-house-is-divided-over-russia/

[boutons_deux]

Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity devote hours to bashing Clinton to avoid Russia scandals

It’s been eight months since Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton — but apparently, Fox News won’t let the story die.

As CNN notes (http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/20/media/fox-news-hillary-clinton-coverage/index.html), Fox News has taken an interesting editorial approach in recent weeks by increasingly mentioning Clinton instead of going in-depth about the various and sundry scandals rocking Trump’s White House.

“The new rule is any contact with Russia is contact with Vladimir Putin himself and therefore treason,” Tucker Carlson during a segment earlier this week. “What do you make of Hillary Clinton and her husband Bill Clinton’s contact with the Russians while she was secretary of state?”

As he raised the Clinton specter, the chyron at the bottom of the screen read: “POLL: TRUMP MORE POPULAR THAN CLINTON.”

Sean Hannity took it a step further by having Trump’s lawyer-turned-spokesman Jay Sekulow (http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/you-have-no-evidence-trump-lawyer-sekulows-donald-jr-spin-gets-shot-down-on-cnn/) during an entire segment devoted to so-called “Clinton scandals.”

According to Media Matters (https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/07/20/somehow-sean-hannity-managed-talk-about-hillary-clinton-more-health-care-last-week/217324), Fox devoted 23 minutes to Clinton during Tuesday’s airtime — “an unusual amount, given that she does not occupy public office and is not currently running for one.”

Media Matters also pointed out that Hannity spent more time talking about Clinton this week than he did about health care.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/tucker-carlson-and-sean-hannity-devote-hours-to-bashing-clinton-to-avoid-russia-scandals/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

and y'all rightwingnutjob sheeple fall for the Clinton "dead horse" every fucking time

[djohn2oo8]

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[clambake]

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yeeeesssss. must dig deep. make donna panic, then she fires him.


obstruction!

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[DarrinS]

Manafort was the start of RussiaHysteriaGate. Why is that?

[spurraider21]

Manafort was the start of RussiaHysteriaGate. Why is that?
https://sociorocketnewsen.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/2102255451.jpg?w=580&h=528

[clambake]

Manafort was the start of RussiaHysteriaGate. Why is that?

cuz people smelled something and began to follow their nose.

donna caught wind of that and canned him quickly.

[DarrinS]

cuz people smelled something and began to follow their nose.

donna caught wind of that and canned him quickly.

Fusion

[djohn2oo8]

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[Pavlov]

FusionHi Darrin. Chalupa, not Fusion, was all over Manafort before even before he was even hired by Trump. It's not like no one knew he ever dealt with Russians B.C. before Chalupa.

But maybe now you have found a full Fusion Chalupa theory that covers every facet of Trump/Russia. I'm really looking forward to reading it.

[djohn2oo8]

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Mueller playing chess while these niggas playing checkers

[Pavlov]

888206515823423488“This is not in the context of, ‘I can’t wait to pardon myself,” a close adviser said.

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Adam Lambert]

trump doing an awesome job
russia hysteria

:lmao

[Chris]

Putin-funded Company John Podesta Received 75,000 Shares from Has Collapsed


As the lying liberal media continues to beat the “Russian collusion” narrative into the ground, it’s interesting to note that they have completely ignored the multiple instances of Democrats’ shady ties to Russia.

In this case, John Podesta, “progressive guru” and former campaign manager for Hillary Clinton’s failed presidential run, has some extremely questionable ties with a Kremlin-backed energy firm, which the mainstream fake news media hasn’t touched.

Now, Podesta is getting some bad news, as Joule Unlimited, of which he served on the board of executives, has gone under, claiming that “the investors walked away.”

Some of these “investors” included the Russian government, directly connected to Vladimir Putin himself.

Not only does Podesta stand to lose a lot of money, but it’s possible he violated federal rules by not disclosing his position with the firm before he became Obama’s senior adviser in January of 2014.

Naturally, the lying left-wing media have not mentioned any of this, because it doesn’t fit their agenda of pushing anti-Trump propaganda, and of course, because it highlights Democrat corruption…

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/19/putin-funded-company-john-podesta-received-75000-shares-collapsed/amp/


Controversial Kremlin-connected energy firm Joule Unlimited, which received millions from a Vladimir Putin-connected Russian government fund and counted former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta as a executive board member, has collapsed, according to the firm’s former chief executive.

“The investors walked away,” former Joule Unlimited CEO Brian Baynes told The Digest, a biofuel publication.

First revealed in research from Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large and Government Accountability Institute (GAI) President Peter Schweizer, Podesta joined the executive board of Joule Unlimited Technologies — a Boston, Massachusetts-based firm that received $35 million from the Russian government while Clinton served as secretary of state — in June 2011. Podesta received 75,000 common shares of Joule stock options, according to an email uncovered by WikiLeaks.

Podesta failed to disclose his presence on the board of the Dutch-registered Stichting Joule Global Foundation before he became President Obama’s senior adviser in January 2014 — a possible violation for federal law.

Questions about the unsavory details surrounding Podesta’s Russia connections sent the longtime Clinton ally into a frenzy earlier this month during a heated Fox Business interview with Maria Bartiromo.


Breitbart News reported Podesta’s extensive Russian ties last August, as revealed in a 56-page GAI report titled, “From Russia with Money: Hillary Clinton, the Russian Reset, and Cronyism.”

In March, Rep. Louie Gohmert, who sits on the House Judiciary Committee, called on Congress to probe Podesta’s role in the Russia-funded firm, saying it “certainly needs to be reviewed to see if there really is something nefarious going on with these activities.”

Baynes’ revelation about Joule Unlimited’s financial collapse comes as Podesta continues to spread conspiracy theories about Russia’s influence in U.S. elections — a politically-driven tactic cooked up by Clinton, Podesta, and former campaign strategist Robby Mook.

According to the new Clinton campaign tell-all, Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign, Clinton personally placed blame for her election loss on Russian meddling “within twenty-four hours of her concession speech.”

http://truthfeed.com/john-podesta-just-got-some-bad-news/93239/

http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1JohnPod1-800x416.jpg

[Adam Lambert]

:cry podesta :cry

[Pavlov]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/19/putin-funded-company-john-podesta-received-75000-shares-collapsed/amp/



http://truthfeed.com/john-podesta-just-got-some-bad-news/93239/

http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1JohnPod1-800x416.jpgYou need start own *ding* thread, Chris. This Trump/Russia thread.

[Pavlov]

Will add Obama to standard anti-USA response collage.

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[djohn2oo8]

looks like I found Chris
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/02/25/10/trump-russia-flag.png

[Chris]

Just In: President Trump Making Moves To Remove Mueller!

According to the Washington Post, several of President Trump's legal advisers are actively compiling a list of special counsel Robert S. Mueller's conflicts of interest in hopes to have him removed from the special counsel.

From The Washington Post:

With the Russia investigation continuing to widen, Trump’s lawyers are working to corral the probe and question the propriety of the special counsel’s work. They are actively compiling a list of Mueller’s alleged potential conflicts of interest, which they say could serve as a way to stymie his work, according to several of Trump’s legal advisers.

A conflict of interest is one of the possible grounds that can be cited by an attorney general to remove a special counsel from office under Justice Department regulations that set rules for the job.

The president is also irritated by the notion that Mueller’s probe could reach into his and his family’s finances, advisers said.

Trump has been fuming about the probe in recent weeks as he has been informed about the legal questions that he and his family could face. His primary frustration centers on why allegations that his campaign coordinated with Russia should spread into scrutinizing many years of Trump dealmaking. He has told aides he was especially disturbed after learning Mueller would be able to access several years of his tax returns.

Breaking a tradition that began with President Jimmy Carter, Trump has repeatedly refused to make his tax returns public after first claiming he could not do so because he was under audit or after promising to release them after an IRS audit was completed.

Further adding to the challenges facing Trump’s outside lawyers, the team’s spokesman, Mark Corallo, resigned on Thursday, according to two people familiar with his departure. Corallo did not respond to immediate requests for comment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.d72b0ed6d5fb

[djohn2oo8]

looks like I found Chris
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/02/25/10/trump-russia-flag.png

[Pavlov]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.d72b0ed6d5fbWhy would Trump have to fire Mueller? What does Trump have to hide?

[Chris]

Why would Trump have to fire Mueller?

Conflict of interest


What does Trump have to hide?

Pee Pee Tapes

[clambake]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.d72b0ed6d5fb

please be true

[Pavlov]

Conflict of interestWhat conflict? Why would that even matter if Trump is completely innocent?


Pee Pee TapesMueller would not have them. So what does Trump have to hide?

[djohn2oo8]

CROFL Chris

[Chris]

CROFL Chris

:lol

[spurraider21]

he's right, big conflict of interest in having a life long republican run the investigation. bring in a democrat investigator

[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

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:lol

[boutons_deux]

Trump Is Considering A Presidential Pardon For HIMSELF

Panic is setting in for Trump. The Washington Post reports (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-lawyers-seek-to-undercut-muellers-russia-investigation/2017/07/20/232ebf2c-6d71-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.1ff97f7d3457) that Trump is now

internally discussing his pardon powers, exploring the possibility of pardoning his aides, family members, and perhaps even himself. :lol

Reportedly,

Trump has told associates that he is “especially disturbed” that Mueller will be able to look at several years worth of tax returns. :lol :lol told ya! :lol

The returns have been a recurring source of frustration for the president, as he’s weathered constant calls for their release, and has thus far refused to share them.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/20/trump-considering-presidential-pardon/

Trash knows his balls are cooked.

[boutons_deux]

Trump lawyers are searching for ways to undercut the FBI

Lawyers working for U.S. President Donald Trump are reportedly compiling material designed to undercut special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s Russia investigation, trying to find areas that can point to a conflict of interest,

Among those interviewed for the Post story, one person said the president is also looking into how presidential pardons work.

"Trump has asked his advisers about his power to pardon aides, family members and even himself in connection with the probe, according to one of those people," the Post reported.

There was no response by the lawyers to the story, but the Post quoted one adviser who said the

"president has simply expressed a curiosity in understanding the reach of his pardoning authority, as well as the limits of Mueller's investigation."

If his lawyers find a conflict of interest, it could be used as a reason to remove Mueller from his assignment.

Trump aides are investigating Mueller's background, as well as the political and professional backgrounds of people Mueller has hired to help him with the Russia investigation.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/07/trump-lawyers-are-searching-for-ways-to-undercut-the-fbi-reports/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Firing Mueller and/or his assistants will only result in another FBI leader, team being appointed.

Sounds like his lawyers know that Trash has no defense, so they are going on offense.

[baseline bum]

So how does this work? Trump declares himself mentally unfit for office so that Pence can take over. Then Pence pardons shithead and our Dear Leader declares himself fit to hold office again and takes the presidency back from Pence?

[spurraider21]

So how does this work? Trump declares himself mentally unfit for office so that Pence can take over. Then Pence pardons shithead and our Dear Leader declares himself fit to hold office again and takes the presidency back from Pence?
or trump just tries to pardon themselves and SCOTUS has to decide if that's valid or not

if he actually has mueller fired... :lol

[baseline bum]

if he actually has mueller fired... :lol

What's funny about it? He's going to do it and congress won't do shit.

[Pavlov]

What's funny about it? He's going to do it and congress won't do shit.If it actually goes down like that, I guess there would be hope he broke a state law in NY or something.

[Thread]

What's funny about it? He's going to do it and congress won't do shit.

He should fire Mule...immediately.

This is nothing more than a bloodless coup, a kangaroo court.

[boutons_deux]

If it actually goes down like that, I guess there would be hope he broke a state law in NY or something.

international money laundering is a Federal crime.

and SCOTUS ruled in Bill Clinton case that there is no immunity for crimes committed before taking office.

I suppose a Pres self-pardon isn't what the anti-King, checks-n-balances FFs supported.

If Trash does it, it will to the oligarchy Supremes, where the abominations of "money is speech", "corporations are people", Christians-are-above-the-law are rulings.

If Trash fires Mueller and his team, all their materials would be passed to the next team.

How about Louie Gohmert or Steve King/IA as next special investigator?

[djohn2oo8]

If it actually goes down like that, I guess there would be hope he broke a state law in NY or something.

Yes. State crimes have been charged and ready to go if he fires Mueller

[djohn2oo8]

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[RandomGuy]

What's funny about it? He's going to do it and congress won't do shit.

If he fires Mueller or another FBI director this year, you will see some serious shit go down. Trump is just incompetent and filled with hubris to do so.

You are a bit more cynical than I am. I think the GOP will break ranks and begin to infight. There are more than a few grumblings from the right about his sheer incompetence. The morons who support him no matter what won't be able to save him.

[RandomGuy]

He should fire Mule...immediately.

This is nothing more than a bloodless coup, a kangaroo court.

So the president is above the law?

[boutons_deux]

I read where a pardon contains an imputation ( admission) of guilt. link to follow

[Thread]

So the president is above the law?

Mule has absolutely nothing to do with the law.

[boutons_deux]

Burdick vs United States, 1915

[baseline bum]

If he fires Mueller or another FBI director this year, you will see some serious shit go down. Trump is just incompetent and filled with hubris to do so.

You are a bit more cynical than I am. I think the GOP will break ranks and begin to infight. There are more than a few grumblings from the right about his sheer incompetence. The morons who support him no matter what won't be able to save him.

They haven't broken ranks yet despite the smoking gun for Trump's collusion with Russia being there now. Why would they give a shit about obstruction of justice when they didn't care the first time when he fired Comey?

[florige]

He should fire Mule...immediately.

This is nothing more than a bloodless coup, a kangaroo court.


Fire him why? If it's really nothing there and this is all just a witch hunt everything should be fine. Not sure why all the panic if he has nothing to hide right?

[Reck]

They haven't broken ranks yet despite the smoking gun for Trump's collusion with Russia being there now. Why would they give a shit about obstruction of justice when they didn't care the first time when he fired Comey?

There are enough soft republicans who would go along with impeachment proceedings should it get to that point....and if concrete evidence is shown. You dont need the whole republican party to go along with it.

If it's proven that he has financial dealings with Russia, it'll be pretty hard to ignore that. + Mueller testimony.

[baseline bum]

There are enough soft republicans who would go along with impeachment proceedings should it get to that point....and if concrete evidence is shown. You dont need the whole republican party to go along with it.

If it's proven that he has financial dealings with Russia, it'll be pretty hard to ignore that. + Mueller testimony.

You would need Paul Ryan to go along first. Then you would need at least 19 GOP senators. Yeah good luck with that, Ryan will just say Trump's new at this again and that'll be that.

[florige]

You would need Paul Ryan to go along first. Then you would need at least 19 GOP senators. Yeah good luck with that, Ryan will just say Trump's new at this again and that'll be that.



I don't think Ryan will be able to spin it that easily of Mueller does uncover criminal activity. He can use that spin line with the stuff Trump says or tweets.

[Blake]

So how does this work? Trump declares himself mentally unfit for office so that Pence can take over. Then Pence pardons shithead and our Dear Leader declares himself fit to hold office again and takes the presidency back from Pence?


This is more unreal than episode of House of Cards

[baseline bum]

I don't think Ryan will be able to spin it that easily of Mueller does uncover criminal activity. He can use that spin line with the stuff Trump says or tweets.

It's what he said when Dear Leader fired Comey.

[Reck]

It's what he said when Dear Leader fired Comey.

A used card is an useless card. Isn't that what they say?

Ryan would honestly benefit from getting rid of dear leader. Pence is much more of a lap dog and can be controlled.

[Thread]

Fire him why? If it's really nothing there and this is all just a witch hunt everything should be fine. Not sure why all the panic if he has nothing to hide right?

No, not right. When you're being toppled, taken out and the subject of a conspiracy to remove you from office you need to act. Pissing in the wind as Trump is doing now will not work.

Do not, I repeat,,,do not end up saying= "I wish I'd a done this:::"

They ain't fuckin' around.

They don't give a shit.

They want him out.

[monosylab1k]

I don't think Ryan will be able to spin it that easily of Mueller does uncover criminal activity. He can use that spin line with the stuff Trump says or tweets.

They would immediately deflect to "Democrats defended Hilary's crimes!" as justification for their gutlessness.

[Thread]

A used card is an useless card. Isn't that what they say?

Ryan would honestly benefit from getting rid of dear leader. Pence is much more of a lap dog and can be controlled.

Exactly. Pence is as good as it'll get for {{{everybody}}} cept the 60 million who sided Trump.

[RandomGuy]

Mule has absolutely nothing to do with the law.

How do you know that?

Be specific.

[RandomGuy]

I don't think Ryan will be able to spin it that easily of Mueller does uncover criminal activity. He can use that spin line with the stuff Trump says or tweets.

At some point, even the Republicans that generally put their party before the good of the country will be pushed to where they can't even thinly justify it.

[boutons_deux]

One of the better progressive commentators, esp for historical comparisons and perspective

Sorry. Trump’s Attacks Aren’t Remotely Like Clinton and Starr

The comparison is quite simply lazy, baseless and stupid.

Fiske was a moderate, apolitical Republican investigating a Democratic President. Clinton had the legal power to fire Fiske but the idea never even came up. Starr was a highly partisan Republican investigating a Democratic President. Clinton did not have the power to fire Starr.

The idea that Clinton might fire (FBI director) Freeh was never even came up.

President Trump has already fired the FBI Director by his own account over the Russia probe. Comey’s politics are a matter of some debate. But he is in fact a registered Republican who has donated money to Republican candidates, though his supporters would say he is generally apolitical. Mueller is also a Republican, though I think most would agree he is apolitical in his law enforcement work.

So, to review.

A Democratic President investigated by an apolitical Republican and a partisan Republican.

A Republican President investigated by an apolitical Republican after firing his registered Republican FBI Director.

There is a certain basic asymmetry between these two sets of facts that I think is pretty clear for anyone to see.

But even that doesn’t get to the real heart of the matter.

Mueller’s investigation is only just getting underway.

President Trump is openly attacking Mueller, demanding to control the scope of Mueller’s probe and threatening to fire him before the probe has even gotten underway.

the only explanation for the President’s behavior is that he will not accept any investigation of himself or his family –

which is to say that he is insisting that the operation of the law will not be permitted with respect to himself and his family.

That is really the only reasonable interpretation of the day’s news.

the President is concealing grave wrongdoing which he will not allow to be uncovered.

We are far, far past the point where ego, impetuousness, inexperience or anything else is a credible alternative explanation.

With all this, Clinton never did anything. While his supporters clearly spoke for him in the press on the Starr front, it is worth remembering that he didn’t even say anything about it in public.

President Trump is threatening everything before the probe has even gotten started.

Consciousness of guilt is really the only plausible interpretation of these decisions.

Indeed, we’re well past ‘threatening’ things since Trump already fired the FBI Director over this same investigation – something that can very plausibly be seen as an impeachable offense. That is a bad act of vast magnitude which subsequent bad acts, nonsense and flurries of craziness have made it hard to maintain a focus on.

Presidents never like prosecutors who investigate them.

Republicans despised Lawrence Walsh in the 80s.

Democrats villified Ken Starr in the 1990s.

Neither President publicly threatened either man.

Indeed, even President Nixon, who is considered by all today as the prototypical presidential malefactor, only demanded the firing of Archibald Cox well into his investigation.

Mueller has not actually even done anything yet.

President Trump through the totality of his actions, demands and threats has made it crystal clear that

he will not accept any investigation of himself, his campaign or his family. He won’t even let it start.

No President, not even Nixon, ever suggested such a thing.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/sorry-trumps-attacks-arent-remotely-like-clinton-and-starr?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

[Thread]

At some point, even the Republicans that generally put their party before the good of the country will be pushed to where they can't even thinly justify it.

Hey, RG, you forgot the "haaaarumph!" at the end of your horse manure.

[RandomGuy]

Hey, RG, you forgot the "haaaarumph!" at the end of your horse manure.

I am very interested in what he will do. You may give it short shrift, but it is a testable theory, that can make a prediction.

The prediction is that he will do nothing, or as close to nothing as he can. He consistently deals harshly, especially rhetorically, with just about every country but Russia.


Predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game, for the most part.

The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

Bullshit conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

I think his past shady business dealings are becoming leverage against him because people with resources and motivation to dig, such as large nation states like China and Russia, are going to come up with things that he would prefer not to be known. This would also explains both his refusal to release his taxes, and his retention of control of his business enterprises. If he cedes too much operational control of those businesses, the possibility of some of those financial records getting out goes up.


--------------------------------------------------


This theory predicts that Trump will give Putin things he wants.

Putin wants the US to stop arming Assad's opponents.

Trump Quietly Gives Putin What He Wants
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/foreign-policy/middle-east/syria/trump-quietly-gives-putin-wants/

Until now, the notion that Donald Trump was providing Russia and Vladimir Putin with concessions at the expense of U.S. interests was poorly supported. That all changed on Wednesday afternoon when the Washington Post revealed that Donald Trump ordered his national security advisor and CIA director to scrap a program that provided covert aid to anti-Assad rebels in Syria.

[baseline bum]

At some point, even the Republicans that generally put their party before the good of the country will be pushed to where they can't even thinly justify it.

What makes you think that? Republican voters still overwhelmingly support Trump. He really could shoot somebody and not lose votes.

[DarrinS]

Here's some good investigative journalism for you, RG. I figured YOU would find this particularly informative.

You can jump to 2:30



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1uBMZOaXc

[djohn2oo8]

888428517230350336

[djohn2oo8]

888427625609400321

[djohn2oo8]

888421153437605888

[djohn2oo8]

888415012192231424

[djohn2oo8]

888428995779448832

:lmao

[Pavlov]

Here's some good investigative journalism for you, RG. I figured YOU would find this particularly informative.

You can jump to 2:30



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1uBMZOaXcTrending.

[djohn2oo8]

888432986487750660

[Reck]

888432986487750660

He has given in.

He said he 100% is behind the Scarramucci hire and looks forward to working with him. These people have no spine whatsoever.

[baseline bum]

He has given in.

He said he 100% is behind the Scarramucci hire and looks forward to working with him. These people have no spine whatsoever.

I still think it's going to come out that he was one of the major leakers in this white house.

[djohn2oo8]

888436871042301952

[DarrinS]

888436871042301952

John Schindler

[djohn2oo8]

John Schindler

Ready to self permaban?

[RandomGuy]

Here's some good investigative journalism for you, RG. I figured YOU would find this particularly informative.

You can jump to 2:30



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk1uBMZOaXc

Steele's dossier paints a picture of a sustained, high-level coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian government.

What would have to come out to make you think that happened?

[RandomGuy]

888428995779448832

:lmao

Dang. Waters just don't GAF...

Good for her.

[TSA]

http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/317173/saythelineshill-184946.jpg

[boutons_deux]

“This Can’t Get Any Worse” House Republicans Are Livid At Trump’s Incompetence And Their Own Impotency

all of the efforts by Republicans in the House of Representatives so far this year are floundering, leaving many of the conservatives and pseudo-moderates in the party angry, unhappy and frustrated (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/20/politics/house-republicans-fuming-they-cant-get-things-done/index.html?sr=twCNN072017house-republicans-fuming-they-cant-get-things-done1100AMVODtop)

“My gosh, we have the levers of government now – we have them all!” an irate Rep.Steve Womak (R-AK) told CNN yesterday. “And we still can’t do our jobs and this is getting old.”

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan said in a radio interview yesterday, speaking about the Senate’s failure to pass a TrumpCare bill, “we’re pretty frustrated.”




“I’d like to say it can’t get any worse,” Rep. Mark Walker (R-N.C.), who heads a group of fiscal conservatives in the House told CNN, adding that there is “widespread frustration” among his members who are “upset at the process.”




Add to that the pathetic reality that the House couldn’t get their version of the budget passed or make any progress on the government funding bill that comes due this fall.

Republicans on the House appropriations committee have been busy packing 12 budget-related spending measures into one huge “omnibus” spending bill

The Republican House leaders instead plan to put forward a series of “minibus” :lol spending bills

Womack, usually a sure vote for Ryan, accuses him of “hijacking” the process from those who worked on the bigger bill because

they are “afraid” of those members on the far right. (aka, the Freedom Kockus)




“I think leadership is conceding way too early on this,” Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah) told CNN.


So after years of sitting on the sidelines and

boasting about how great America would be if they controlled both Houses of Congress and the White House,

they are scrambling to get anything done.

they look as ineffective and spiritless as they would if they were not in control.

as they gaze at Trump, busy worrying about the Russia investigation and battling his own personal demons – while insisting he must win at any cost – they have to ask if the cost of winning the Trump way might actually be too high – even for the grand old party that in only six months under Trump has set a new meaning of the lowest common denominator when it comes to the purpose and function of the American government.



http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/20/cant-get-worse-house-republicans-livid-trumps-incompetence-impotency/



Freedom Kockus assassinated Boner, now dickless Ryan's balls shrink up in fear of the Freedom Kockus.

What a shit show the Repugs, and their asshole voters, visit on USA

[RandomGuy]

http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/317173/saythelineshill-184946.jpg

Once Trump's fall is obvious, will the Russians spill whatever they have on him? I am going to guess wikileaks will suddenly find a raft of material on his business dealings.

[djohn2oo8]

888452975202627584

[DarrinS]

Dang. Waters just don't GAF...

Good for her.


Isn't she the same retard who thought "Crooked Hillary" was a strategy from Putin? :lmao

[DarrinS]

Steele's dossier paints a picture of a sustained, high-level coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian government.

What would have to come out to make you think that happened?


Steele's dossier is garbage

[RandomGuy]

http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/317173/saythelineshill-184946.jpg

Mueller’s investigation is only just getting underway.

President Trump is openly attacking Mueller, demanding to control the scope of Mueller’s probe and threatening to fire him before the probe has even gotten underway.
The only explanation for the President’s behavior is that he will not accept any investigation of himself or his family –

which is to say that he is insisting that the operation of the law will not be permitted with respect to himself and his family.

That is really the only reasonable interpretation of the day’s news.

the President is concealing grave wrongdoing which he will not allow to be uncovered.

We are far, far past the point where ego, impetuousness, inexperience or anything else is a credible alternative explanation.

[RandomGuy]

Steele's dossier paints a picture of a sustained, high-level coordination between the Trump campaign and Russian government.

What would have to come out to make you think that happened?



Steele's dossier is garbage

(shrugs)

Raw intelligence is often something that needs sifting. Its ultimate value is to provide a basis for which direction to be looking.

I noticed you completely dodged my question.

I guess I can try an alternate.

If the president and his campaign had colluded/coordinated what would that look like?

Would the people involved lie about meetings?

[RandomGuy]

Steele's dossier is garbage

Also alternately:

What would you accept as proof of coordination/collusion?

Do you even find the concept of a US presidential campaign coordinating with foreign intelligence services to be problematic?

[spurraider21]

there's nothing wrong with opp research from international sources... the real issue at heart is if there was a more widespread collusion that included russia taking steps such as the DNC hacks and publishing them to wikileaks. there's still no evidence that the DNC hacks were the bidding of the trump campaign with the russians merely being the surrogates.

but we know now there was at least a line of communication and some efforts to collaborate, generally. i dont think "juniorgate" is the smoking gun, but it does open a lot of doors

[DarrinS]

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.

5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.

6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.

8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.

9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.



https://medium.com/theyoungturks/the-basic-formula-for-every-shocking-russia-trump-revelation-e9ae390d9f05

[RandomGuy]

[copy pasta, no answers to any questions that require critical thinking]

Sorry I asked.

[Pavlov]

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.

5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.

6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.

8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.

9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.



https://medium.com/theyoungturks/the-basic-formula-for-every-shocking-russia-trump-revelation-e9ae390d9f05Hello, Darrin.

You figure out the difference between Fusion and Chalupa in your Fusion Chalupa conspiracy yet?

[RandomGuy]

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.

5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.

6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.

8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.

9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.



https://medium.com/theyoungturks/the-basic-formula-for-every-shocking-russia-trump-revelation-e9ae390d9f05

I mostly agree with this. The left is going a bit overboard with each new revelation, just as the right goes just as far to ignore or dismiss anything bad.

Cumulatively, though, what we do know for certain is troubling.

[Reck]

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

3. Aggrieved former Clinton apparatchiks *connect the dots* in a manner eerily reminiscent of right-wing Glenn Beck-esque prognostication circa 2009.

4. Self-proclaimed legal experts rashly opine as to whether the new revelation entails some kind of criminally actionable offense. (Recall the now-laughable certitude that felled National Security Advisor Mike Flynn violated the 200+ year old Logan Act.) This latest version is the certitude that Jeff Sessions committed perjury, when that at the very least is highly questionable.

5. The notion of Russian “collusion” being key to toppling Trump becomes further implanted in the minds of the most energized Democratic activists, as evidenced this time around by a troupe of protesters who showed up to the Department of Justice headquarters brandishing trademarked “Resist” placards, chanting “Lock Him Up,” and (as usual) hyperventilating about Putin. As I’ve written before, Trump/Putin theories are increasingly the top concern that plugged-in “Resistance” types bring up at the highly-charged town hall meetings that have received so much attention of late.

6. Pointing out these glaring flaws in the latest anti-Russia frenzy is immediately construed by cynics as “defending Trump” or “defending Sessions” when it most assuredly is not. At least in my own case, it’s a defense of not getting enraptured by irrational hysterics to further short-term political aims.

7. People who’d spent the past 12 hours frothing at the mouth gradually come to realize that their initial furor was probably overblown, and that a more sober look at the actual facts at hand reveal that the anti-Trump chorus probably got ahead of itself…again.

8. Democrats who sought to capitalize on the uproar end up looking extremely foolish.

9. It becomes “normalized” (that new favorite buzzword!) to cast any meetings or contacts with Russian officials as inherently sinister. Rather than just a basic function of a Senator’s ordinary duties, meeting with “The Russians” is increasingly viewed as evidence of nefarious intent, and perhaps participation in a grand global conspiracy.

10. Political ineptitude and clumsiness (as was very probably the case with Flynn) gets interpreted as something more calculated than it really is. Sessions could’ve avoided this ridiculous controversy by saying something to the effect of: “I did not meet with any Russian officials in my informal capacity as Trump campaign surrogate, but I did speak with Russian officials over the course of my ordinary Senatorial duties.” The problem is, such an admission would’ve probably blown up into a big political snafu; Democrats would’ve seized on it as evidence of Russian collusion. So Sessions tried to lawyer himself out of trouble with an ambiguous comment during sworn testimony. This allowed him to sneak through the confirmation process, but created an even bigger political storm later.

11. A Trump official’s least egregious quality ends up being portrayed as his most egregious quality. There were any number of reasons to be highly worried about the presence of Mike Flynn in the Trump administration, from his bellicose posture toward Iran, to his outlandish views on the alleged threat posed by Islam. Conversing with the Russian ambassador about reducing tensions would very clearly not have been on the “reasons to be worried about Flynn” list. Likewise, Jeff Sessions is a troubling figure for a whole host of reasons, ranging from his hawkishly retrograde attitude about Drug Prohibition to his dicey history on racial matters. That he spoke to the Russian Ambassador in September 2016 would not be on the “reasons to be worried about Sessions” list.

12. The overall political climate gets further degraded and warped without any commensurate upside.

13. Repeat.



https://medium.com/theyoungturks/the-basic-formula-for-every-shocking-russia-trump-revelation-e9ae390d9f05

I'm surprised Cenk hired this stooge.

[Pavlov]

If meet and collude with us Russians no big deal, why everybody lie about it? Hurt feelings of me and sensitive comrades.

[florige]

No, not right. When you're being toppled, taken out and the subject of a conspiracy to remove you from office you need to act. Pissing in the wind as Trump is doing now will not work.

Do not, I repeat,,,do not end up saying= "I wish I'd a done this:::"

They ain't fuckin' around.

They don't give a shit.

They want him out.



Are they going to get him out on fake evidence? And getting Trump out only means Pence will take over, so why bother getting Trump out on some phony accusations is my point?

[Chucho]

If meet and collude with us Russians no big deal, why everybody lie about it? Hurt feelings of me and sensitive comrades.

*Ding*

[Pavlov]

*Ding*Sorry, not how *Ding*™ work.

[Chucho]

Sorry, not how *Ding*™ work.
*Ding* *Ding*

[Thread]

Are they going to get him out on fake evidence? And getting Trump out only means Pence will take over, so why bother getting Trump out on some phony accusations is my point?

Yes.

Because Pence is better than nothing to them if Trump is out. It's back to regular programming then. Everybody can relax then. Business as usual.

[florige]

Yes.

Because Pence is better than nothing to them if Trump is out. It's back to regular programming then. Everybody can relax then. Business as usual.


Getting Trump out on phony/fake evidence is asking for a civil war. I am under the notion something concrete or nothing at all.

[RandomGuy]

*Ding* *Ding*

https://i.imgflip.com/ae11i.jpg

[monosylab1k]

*Ding* *Ding*

http://www.grisanik.com/static/images/89-princess-bride---that-word.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Getting Trump out on phony/fake evidence is asking for a civil war. I am under the notion something concrete or nothing at all.

+1

There is a very high likelihood that his real estate investments have involved some sort of money laundering. That will come out as soon as his finances are poked at. Is money laundering for the Iranians or Russian mobsters concrete enough?

[spurraider21]

http://www.grisanik.com/static/images/89-princess-bride---that-word.jpg
*Ding*

[spurraider21]

[Putin]
*Ding*

[RandomGuy]

*Ding*

Donald Trump Is Abdicating His Role as Commander in Chief


In the six months since he’s taken office and the 10 weeks of transition before that, Trump has effectively ignored the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, this despite bombastic campaign promises to “win” in each place (whatever “win” means). What he has done is cede warmaking authority to Secretary of Defense James Mattis, who now reportedly has plenary power to set objectives, allocate resources, and move troops to fight in both countries. Although National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster reportedly limited Mattis to 3,900 more troops in Afghanistan for now, it’s clear from Trump’s own statements and reporting on the White House that the president has delegated his war powers down to Mattis—along with whatever political risk may come from bad outcomes.

These failures—which fairly belong to both Trump and Congress—are creating risk for our military around the world. The perennial failure of Congress and the White House to reach a budget deal in a timely manner creates uncertainty that ripples through the entire military establishment. This uncertainty adversely affects long-term procurements for aircraft and ships, frustrates personnel planning, and makes it impossible to forecast training resources and rotations. Process failures aside, the Pentagon still does not have the aggregate resources it needs to continue fighting two wars, carry out special operations missions around the world, deter Russia and North Korea through forward deployments, and conduct myriad other missions. All four services arguably need more personnel, newer weapons systems, and more money to fund training. Military aircraft are literally falling out of the sky (and killing troops) because of a lack of resources for training and maintenance and deferred modernization, too. Transforming the military, and adding new capabilities like a cyber corps or space corps, will take even more money—money that, so far, Trump has failed to procure from Congress.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/07/donald_trump_is_abdicating_his_role_as_commander_i n_chief.html

6 months in.

Fucker spends more time golfing than doing his goddamn job.

TRUMP MAY VACATION FOR 18 DAYS IN AUGUST, DEMANDS CONGRESS STAY IN WASHINGTON TO WORK
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-may-vacation-18-days-august-demands-congress-stay-washington-and-work-640364

[RandomGuy]

What was he doing the first time around when the health care bill was being debated?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7ozuENUwAAePSs.jpg:large

[RandomGuy]

What was he doing the second time around when the health care bill was being debated?

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/596d19f8552be51c008b4ea7-2400/ap17198706144593.jpg

[RandomGuy]

But hey, keep concentrating on posts that say *ding*.

Nothing to see here.

https://media.giphy.com/media/UsYpKp9s2gTy8/giphy.gif

[Reck]

What was he doing the first time around when the health care bill was being debated?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7ozuENUwAAePSs.jpg:large

The ironic thing about this picture is that that was exactly what he was doing the first time the House bill failed.

887115317469741057

I shit you not.

[Thread]

Getting Trump out on phony/fake evidence is asking for a civil war. I am under the notion something concrete or nothing at all.

Please. We/Trump supporters talk a big war, but, we'd roll over and watch television when push came to shove.

[boutons_deux]

https://i.imgflip.com/ae11i.jpg

ha ha stubs for fingers, not good for grabbing pussy

[DarrinS]

What was he doing the first time around when the health care bill was being debated?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7ozuENUwAAePSs.jpg:large



I immediately thought of this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFJBd40Awo

[RandomGuy]

I immediately thought of this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFJBd40Awo

The difference being, of course, one was an actor, the other was the President of the fucking United States not doing his goddamn job.

[spurraider21]

golfing
*Ding*

[RandomGuy]

*Ding*

Feel free to find an issue we should be concerned about. I will be willing to bet that Trump is fucking that up.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

[DarrinS]

The difference being, of course, one was an actor, the other was the President of the fucking United States not doing his goddamn job.

Don't lose your sense of humor, bro.

[Chris]

Libs you can like Ann Coulter now

888435779797700608

[DarrinS]

Mueller asks WH staff to preserve docs

Basically, don't do this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FECIYlo3KRY


Or this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCvzKZtjuQc

[Reck]

Don't lose your sense of humor, bro.

Dont lose your sense of patriotism, bro.

[Chris]

888473128107732993

http://www.afa.net/media/230564/nothingburger5.jpg

[Chris]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20155814_935613969912647_6615711794580908011_n.png ?oh=a9849304930da98ef3a8397c22162093&oe=5A063622

[Reck]

https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20155814_935613969912647_6615711794580908011_n.png ?oh=a9849304930da98ef3a8397c22162093&oe=5A063622

LOL they forgot to photopshop all the people reflecting in the mirror. :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

888532754408845313 Reck

[djohn2oo8]

888533344580980736

[djohn2oo8]

888533617756045314

[Reck]

888532754408845313 Reck (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14412)

Why is he still AG then? He needs to be removed.

This is like Flynn getting caught in US intelligence info gathering. Same thing.

[boutons_deux]

It was obvious in Sessions' jokey, snarky attitude before the Senate panel that he thought the entire exercise was joke to be disregarded, disrespected, esp when being grilled by a smart and sassy black woman.

So he "forget" and LIED whenever he wanted

Session is racist piece of shit.

[djohn2oo8]

Why is he still AG then? He needs to be removed.

This is like Flynn getting caught in US intelligence info gathering. Same thing.

Seems like Sessions and Trump hate each other now. Trump wants him out and this looks like the hit piece to give Trump reason to fire him so he can appoint an AG to fire Mueller

[DarrinS]

888532754408845313 Reck

Follows the formula. Now at step 2. :lol

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

[djohn2oo8]

Follows the formula. Now at step 2. :lol

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

Sessions lied. Period.

[djohn2oo8]

888539202954051589

[boutons_deux]

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/596df7411500006303bfe15e.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_nou pscale

[boutons_deux]

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/596df80e1a00003400dbf4ad.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_nou pscale

[Reck]

Follows the formula. Now at step 2. :lol

The Basic Formula For Every Shocking Russia/Trump Revelation

1. The New York Times or Washington Post releases an article that at first blush appears extremely damning.

2. Anti-Trump pundits and Democrats react reflexively to the news, express shrieking outrage, and proclaim that this finally proves untoward collusion between Trump and Russia — a smoking gun, at last.

Are you this dense?

Your issue with the Washington Post and NYT is that they do their jobs a little too well? :lol

They're the biggest and most known news organization in paper here so what do you expect?

:cry Articles coming from either paper are fake. :cry

[Reck]

Don Jr. and Manafort running scared. They dont want to testify in open session.

[Thread]

Don Jr. and Manafort running scared. They dont want to testify in open session.

CNN called it a total victory for Trump.

[spurraider21]

CNN called it a total victory for Trump.
CNN says it's a victory

CNN is fake news

Therefore it's a defeat

[Thread]

CNN says it's a victory

CNN is fake news

Therefore it's a defeat

:rolleyes

[Chucho]

http://www.grisanik.com/static/images/89-princess-bride---that-word.jpg

I do, as a matter of fact. It's the alarm for "The Faggy Leftist Nazi Semen Shielders Club" and it worked, as evidenced by all the Faggy Leftist Nazi Semen Shielders came together as they heard the familiar sound from their basements and safe spaces.

[monosylab1k]

I do, as a matter of fact. It's the alarm for "The Faggy Leftist Nazi Semen Shielders Club" and it worked, as evidenced by all the Faggy Leftist Nazi Semen Shielders came together as they heard the familiar sound from their basements and safe spaces.

ok

[spurraider21]

:rolleyes
you cant have it both ways

scream FAKE NEWS when you dont like it, cite it when you do.

[Chucho]

ok


*DUNG*

[monosylab1k]

This guy amuses me.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Jr. And Paul Manafort Just Cut A Last-Minute Deal With The Senate Intel Committee

“reached a deal” with the Senate intelligence committee to avoid an embarrassing public hearing that the entire nation would certainly tune in to watch.
The details of the “deal” have not been released,

but the two will submit to interviews with Senate Intelligence Committee members and will provide all relevant documents to the investigators.

double standard that the rich and well-connected Manafort and Trump Jr. are able to talk their way out of having to face the pressure of a public hearing.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/21/trump-jr-paul-manafort-just-cut-last-minute-deal-senate-intel-committee/

Comey, Sessions, Gorsuch, Hillary, etc, etc have public hearings, but these two corrupt assholes get private hearings?

[Thread]

Trump Jr. And Paul Manafort Just Cut A Last-Minute Deal With The Senate Intel Committee

“reached a deal” with the Senate intelligence committee to avoid an embarrassing public hearing that the entire nation would certainly tune in to watch.
The details of the “deal” have not been released,

but the two will submit to interviews with Senate Intelligence Committee members and will provide all relevant documents to the investigators.

double standard that the rich and well-connected Manafort and Trump Jr. are able to talk their way out of having to face the pressure of a public hearing.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/21/trump-jr-paul-manafort-just-cut-last-minute-deal-senate-intel-committee/

Comey, Sessions, Gorsuch, Hillary, etc, etc have public hearings, but these two corrupt assholes get private hearings?




ha, ha. CNN called it a total victory for Trump.

[DarrinS]

Senate committee slaps subpoena on Glenn Simpson


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/21/donald-trump-jr-paul-manafort-chuck-grassley-testify-russia-240815

[DarrinS]

Trump people have been cooperative, for the most part. Fusion GPS, Crowdstrike, and Platte River Networks? Not so much.

[djohn2oo8]

you cant have it both ways

scream FAKE NEWS when you dont like it, cite it when you do.

He's a chickenshit coward who will run when shit gets real.

[djohn2oo8]

Trump people have been cooperative, for the most part. Fusion GPS, Crowdstrike, and Platte River Networks? Not so much.

They have lied for the most part. Adoptions :lmao

[spurraider21]

Trump people have been cooperative, for the most part. Fusion GPS, Crowdstrike, and Platte River Networks? Not so much.
remember when Jr said he never met with any russians under the capacity of representing the campaign?

[Reck]

Senate committee slaps subpoena on Glenn Simpson


http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/21/donald-trump-jr-paul-manafort-chuck-grassley-testify-russia-240815

The guy is on vacation and you want him to cut it short? :lol

Why are Manafort and Don Jr. being chicken shits and not doing a public hearing like they promised?

[Thread]

He's a chickenshit coward who will run when shit gets real.

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

[DarrinS]

The guy is on vacation and you want him to cut it short? :lol

Why are Manafort and Don Jr. being chicken shits and not doing a public hearing like they promised?


Probably to avoid the grandstanding shit show that are public hearings.

[Thread]

Why are Manafort and Don Jr. being chicken shits and not doing a public hearing like they promised?

Because they got top drawer attorneys.

[Thread]

Probably to avoid the grandstanding shit show that are public hearings.

This too.

[djohn2oo8]

Probably to avoid the grandstanding shit show that are public hearings.

:lmao yeah and not avoid facing the public after their lies

[djohn2oo8]

He mopped the fuckin' floor with her fuckin' ass.

Trump lied. Sessions lied. Jr lied. Kushner lied. Manafort lied.

[Thread]

Trump lied. Sessions lied. Jr lied. Kushner lied. Manafort lied.

Jesus H. Christ, you finally talk to me! Why have I been on your to ignore list?

[djohn2oo8]

Trump lied. Sessions lied. Jr lied. Kushner lied. Manafort lied.

[DarrinS]

Lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQVpnzJFH0w

[djohn2oo8]

Trump lied. Sessions lied. Jr lied. Kushner lied. Manafort lied.

Guess Darrin will ignore this.

[Pavlov]

Trump people have been cooperative, for the most part. Fusion GPS, Crowdstrike, and Platte River Networks? Not so much.
Hi Darrin, has anyone told you a workable Fusion Chalupa theory you can post yet?

[DarrinS]

Hi Darrin, has anyone told you a workable Fusion Chalupa theory you can post yet?

What's up, RG?

I'll wait for the full investigation to unfold.

[DarrinS]

Lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOqRut1sV9I

[Reck]

What's up, RG?

I'll wait for the full investigation to unfold.

How many hints do you really need to get that's not his alt?

[DarrinS]

How many hints do you really need to get that's not his alt?

:lol

[Chris]

ha, ha. CNN called it a total victory for Trump.

Let us proceed...

[spurraider21]

Lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOqRut1sV9I
:lol... this is why you shouldnt watch cable tv news tbh

[spurraider21]

but speaking of changing stories :lol...

0:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E0dOkHB3Xw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OiH1GnxYJ8

[spurraider21]

:lol he called me a genius! :lol

[DarrinS]

:lol he called me a genius! :lol

Classic narcissist, tbh

[Reck]

Classic narcissist, tbh

And yet you like to suck his dick daily. :lol

[Thread]

:lol... this is why you shouldnt watch cable tv news tbh

That Chris Cuomo. I hate that SOB, but, when he ain't on, it's worth shit. There is no sense to watching it. It's garbage then. Like when Tapper ain't there. Forget it. And lately they're gone more than in.

[DarrinS]

And yet you like to suck his dick daily. :lol

Gross

[spurraider21]

That Chris Cuomo. I hate that SOB, but, when he ain't on, it's worth shit. There is no sense to watching it. It's garbage then. Like when Tapper ain't there. Forget it. And lately they're gone more than in.
reading the news is far superior than watching on TV. you can get much more information in much less time... and you dont have talking heads trying to improvise and inevitably making factual errors every few minutes. print is more thoroughly reviewed and edited

its not perfect but the shit you watch on TV is probably the worst place to be informed (well second worst, that would be talk radio)

[Thread]

reading the news is far superior than watching on TV. you can get much more information in much less time... and you dont have talking heads trying to improvise and inevitably making factual errors every few minutes. print is more thoroughly reviewed and edited

its not perfect but the shit you watch on TV is probably the worst place to be informed (well second worst, that would be talk radio)

You're right, but, it's fun gettin' riled by those bastards.

[Pavlov]

What's up, RG?

I'll wait for the full investigation to unfold.But you keep on bringing up Chalupa Fusion.

[DarrinS]

But you keep on bringing up Chalupa Fusion.

I'm intrigued by a Mexican food being a Ukrainian surname.

[Pavlov]

I'm intrigued by a Mexican food being a Ukrainian surname.

Not enough for it to make any sense.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Son-In-Law Kushner Just Made A Shady Edit To His Financial Disclosure Form

One hundred million dollars simply slipped Jared Kushner’s mind.

The Wall Street Journal reports (https://www.wsj.com/articles/jared-kushner-discloses-dozens-more-assets-in-revised-financial-filing-1500678017) that Kushner just revised his disclosure forms to

add 77 assets that he previously failed to mention.

They included real estate, bonds, and an art collection among others and could total over $100 million in value.



“That strikes me as a lot,” Don Fox – a former ethics office general counsel

Kushner also failed to mention his involvement in Cadre, a real-estate tech startup connected to Goldman Sachs as well as the billionaire and perennial far-right bugaboo George Soros.

Kushner omitted the investment, which could be worth between $5 million to $25 million.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/21/trumps-son-law-kushner-just-made-shady-edit-financial-disclosure-forms/

[djohn2oo8]

Donald with an all time classic meltdown on Twitter this morning.

[DarrinS]

Donald with an all time classic meltdown on Twitter this morning.

So you don't post it?

[djohn2oo8]

So you don't post it?

So you don't know how to go to twitter?

[djohn2oo8]

888804094948888576
Daddy Vladdy aint gonna be happy :lmao

[DarrinS]

"Simpson’s attorney has asserted that his client will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights in response to the subpoena," Grassley and Feinstein said."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/21/fusion-refusal-co-founder-firm-behind-trump-russia-dossier-to-plead-fifth.html

[boutons_deux]

In Legal Leap, Profs Claim Trump Could Face Criminal Charges for Pardons

University of Chicago Law Professors Eric Posner and Daniel Hemel are weighing in, saying that if President Trump wanted to issue pardons for his family and friends, he could do it, but it could land him in a world of trouble.

letting Trump absolve “anyone for any crime at any time,” there is reason to believe that abusing that power could result in criminal charges.

the professor takes a small jump from there to say that issuing a pardon for “corrupt” purposes—like for a cover-up—could qualify as obstruction of justice, a crime that could result in not just impeachment, but criminal charges against POTUS.

It would surely be difficult to bring a solid case against Trump for this, for two reasons.

One, which the professors bring up, is that “prosecutors and courts would give wide latitude to a president in evaluating his pardon decisions.”

The other is that there’s still no known evidence (NOT YET! :lol) that there’s anything to cover up in the first place.

http://lawnewz.com/legal-analysis/in-legal-leap-profs-claim-trump-could-face-criminal-charges-for-pardons/

iow, if there is no crime, why would a Pres want to pardon? Pardon a Federal-crimeless person?

btw, Pres can only pardon for Federal crimes. He cannot pardon for state crimes.

If no one is proven guilty or even charged, a preemptive pardon makes no sense, except in Trash addles brain.

[boutons_deux]

Why impeachment won't happen with Repug Congress and Senate

Robert Reich: The 10 Steps to Impeach a President

It all revolves around Article I Sections 2 and 3 of the Constitution, and rules in the House and the Senate implementing those provisions.

Step 1. It starts in the House Judiciary Committee, when a majority of the member vote in favor of what’s called an “inquiry of impeachment” resolution.

Step 2. That resolution goes to the full House of Representatives where a majority has to vote in favor. And then votes to authorize and fund a full investigation by the Judiciary Committee into whether sufficient grounds exist for impeachment.

Step 3. The House Judiciary Committee investigates. That investigation doesn’t have to be from scratch. It can rely on data and conclusions of other investigations undertaken by, say, the FBI.

Step 4: A majority of the Judiciary Committee members decides there are sufficient grounds for impeachment, and the Committee issues a “Resolution of Impeachment,” setting forth specific allegations of misconduct in one or more articles of impeachment.

Step 5: The full House then considers that Resolution and votes in favor of it – as a whole or on each article separately. The full House isn’t bound by the Committee’s work. The House may vote to impeach even if the Committee doesn’t recommend impeachment.

Step 6: The matter then goes to the Senate for a trial. The House’s Resolution of Impeachment becomes in effect the charges in this trial.

Step 7: The Senate issues a summons to the president, who is now effectively the defendant, informing him of the charges and the date by which he has to answer them. If the president chooses not to answer or appear, it’s as if he entered a “not guilty” plea.

Step 8 is the trial in the Senate. In that trial, those who are representing the House – that is, the prosecution – and counsel for the president, both make opening arguments. They then introduce evidence and put on witnesses as in any trial. Witnesses are subject to examination and cross-examination. The trial is presided over by the chief justice of the Supreme Court – who has the authority to rule on evidentiary questions or may put such questions to a vote of the Senate. The House managers and counsel for the president then make closing arguments.

Step 9: The Senate meets in closed session to deliberate.

Step 10: The Senate returns in open session to vote on whether to convict the president on the articles of impeachment. Conviction requires a two-thirds vote by the Senate. Conviction on one or more articles of impeachment results in removal from office. Such a conviction also disqualifies the now former president from holding any other public office. And it doesn’t bar additional legal proceedings against that former president, and punishment.

So there you have it–the 10 steps that must all take place to impeach the president.

It may come in handy.

http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/10-steps-impeach-president

[Thread]

Why impeachment won't happen with Repug Congress and Senate

Robert Reich: The 10 Steps to Impeach a President

It all revolves around Article I Sections 2 and 3 of the Constitution, and rules in the House and the Senate implementing those provisions.

Step 1. It starts in the House Judiciary Committee, when a majority of the member vote in favor of what’s called an “inquiry of impeachment” resolution.

Step 2. That resolution goes to the full House of Representatives where a majority has to vote in favor. And then votes to authorize and fund a full investigation by the Judiciary Committee into whether sufficient grounds exist for impeachment.

Step 3. The House Judiciary Committee investigates. That investigation doesn’t have to be from scratch. It can rely on data and conclusions of other investigations undertaken by, say, the FBI.

Step 4: A majority of the Judiciary Committee members decides there are sufficient grounds for impeachment, and the Committee issues a “Resolution of Impeachment,” setting forth specific allegations of misconduct in one or more articles of impeachment.

Step 5: The full House then considers that Resolution and votes in favor of it – as a whole or on each article separately. The full House isn’t bound by the Committee’s work. The House may vote to impeach even if the Committee doesn’t recommend impeachment.

Step 6: The matter then goes to the Senate for a trial. The House’s Resolution of Impeachment becomes in effect the charges in this trial.

Step 7: The Senate issues a summons to the president, who is now effectively the defendant, informing him of the charges and the date by which he has to answer them. If the president chooses not to answer or appear, it’s as if he entered a “not guilty” plea.

Step 8 is the trial in the Senate. In that trial, those who are representing the House – that is, the prosecution – and counsel for the president, both make opening arguments. They then introduce evidence and put on witnesses as in any trial. Witnesses are subject to examination and cross-examination. The trial is presided over by the chief justice of the Supreme Court – who has the authority to rule on evidentiary questions or may put such questions to a vote of the Senate. The House managers and counsel for the president then make closing arguments.

Step 9: The Senate meets in closed session to deliberate.

Step 10: The Senate returns in open session to vote on whether to convict the president on the articles of impeachment. Conviction requires a two-thirds vote by the Senate. Conviction on one or more articles of impeachment results in removal from office. Such a conviction also disqualifies the now former president from holding any other public office. And it doesn’t bar additional legal proceedings against that former president, and punishment.

So there you have it–the 10 steps that must all take place to impeach the president.

It may come in handy.

http://www.alternet.org/right-wing/10-steps-impeach-president




Clinton impeached. Not Trump.

[spurraider21]

Donald with an all time classic meltdown on Twitter this morning.


So you don't post it?
https://i.gyazo.com/c7b4d45c8bc2d8d93da78c9b14424718.png
https://i.gyazo.com/01a3e8afcff6093e6c704a8d36f4e2b4.png

[boutons_deux]

"some think" Trash himself, already pissed at Sessions for recusing himself, leaked the news that the spooks captured Sessions discussing the campaign with the Russkies, in preparation for firing Sessions.

[baseline bum]

"some think" Trash himself, already pissed at Sessions for recusing himself, leaked the news that the spooks captured Sessions discussing the campaign with the Russkies, in preparation for firing Sessions.

He's obviously going to fire Mueller and congress won't do shit in response.

[boutons_deux]

He's obviously going to fire Mueller and congress won't do shit in response.

If they don't, it would be more proof that America is fucked and unfuckable, with VRWC/Repugs as the dominant fuckers.

[Pavlov]

"Simpson’s attorney has asserted that his client will invoke his Fifth Amendment rights in response to the subpoena," Grassley and Feinstein said."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/21/fusion-refusal-co-founder-firm-behind-trump-russia-dossier-to-plead-fifth.htmlNot a surprise. Was he offered the same sweetheart deals given to Junior, Manafort and Kushner?

[Reck]

He's obviously going to fire Mueller and congress won't do shit in response.

Even if, Mueller would just do a massive dump on the stuff he already has uncovered.

[boutons_deux]

Why Exactly Does Pootin Hate the Magnitsky Act?The man who lobbied for it explains its importance and why
it’s at the heart of the Trump Tower meeting.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/trumpcast/2017/07/why_does_putin_hate_the_magnitsky_act.html

[djohn2oo8]

He's obviously going to fire Mueller and congress won't do shit in response.

Mueller is prepared for that scenario. Like Comey was.b Deadman trigger/Ace in the hole. Btw, Schiff has already said he would Re-hire Mueller as an investigator for Congress which it would only take one Republican defector for the House committee to make that move.

[baseline bum]

Mueller is prepared for that scenario. Like Comey was.b Deadman trigger/Ace in the hole. Btw, Schiff has already said he would Re-hire Mueller as an investigator for Congress which it would only take one Republican defector for the House committee to make that move.

Link? And which Republican defector will it be?

[djohn2oo8]

888780709766287363

[boutons_deux]

"The man once known as the “Torturer’s Lobbyist” for his work advocating on behalf of murderous right-wing dictators (http://www.thedailybeast.com/top-trump-aide-led-the-torturers-lobby) is believed to have been paid millions of dollars by the Russian puppet government of the Ukraine run by Viktor Yanukovych.

Manafort specifically is believed to have been hired by oligarch Oleg Deripaska (https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a)to draw up a plan to advance Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s interests “at the highest levels of the U.S. government — the White House, Capitol Hill and the State Department.”



Manafort’s team publicly denied the allegations that he was close to flipping, saying in a statement that “Paul Manafort is not a cooperating witness. Once again there is no truth to the disinformation put forth by anonymous sources and leakers.” "

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/07/22/trump-russia-special-prosecutor-just-found-key-blowing-investigation-wide-open/

I figure either Manafort and/or Flynn will be flipped.

[Chris]

888605895751602176

[Pavlov]

888605895751602176Sealed records are records that are usually available to the public but have their access restricted by a judge's order. Which Obama records had their access restricted by a judge's order?

[spurraider21]

Sealed records are records that are usually available to the public but have their access restricted by a judge's order. Which Obama records had their access restricted by a judge's order?
his real birth certificate

[Pavlov]

his real birth certificateCould you point me to the judge and the case? I can only find a bunch of dismissals.

It is my understanding that birth certificates aren't available to just any member of the public in Hawaii, but you're almost the lawyer.

[spurraider21]

Could you point me to the judge and the case? I can only find a bunch of dismissals.

It is my understanding that birth certificates aren't available to just any member of the public in Hawaii, but you're almost the lawyer.
It's adorable that you missed the sarcasm.

[spurraider21]

Also

lawyer
*Ding*

[Pavlov]

It's adorable that you missed the sarcasm.Can't really tell anymore, counselor. Besides, I may have missed something. People don't realize when I'm asking a genuine question.

[Pavlov]

Also

*Ding*Are you not taking the bar?

[spurraider21]

Are you not taking the bar?
Indeed. It's just becoming a common theme here.

Disagree with my take, make snarky comment about being a lawyer.

Gotten to the point where *Ding* is warranted.

[Pavlov]

Indeed. It's just becoming a common theme here.

Disagree with my take, make snarky comment about being a lawyer.

Gotten to the point where *Ding* is warranted.But your take was "His birth certificate."

Why would I agree with that?

I agreed with your contention that your take was sarcasm once you posted it, then I said you may have more information than I since you have indeed completed law school.

No need to be defensive about being called an almost lawyer, since you in fact are almost a lawyer.

Be proud.

[spurraider21]

No worries comrade RG

[Reck]

The birth certificate post was purely sarcasm my dude. Basically mocking Chris's twitter post.

[Reck]

Jill Stein having a Trump-like epic meltdown.

http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/IMG_4188-e1500734524727.jpg

After demanding a recount in 3 states, suddenly the Russia probe was created by the Clintons and its all fake now. :lol

[Thread]

Jill Stein having a Trump-like epic meltdown.

http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/IMG_4188-e1500734524727.jpg

After demanding a recount in 3 states, suddenly the Russia probe was created by the Clintons and its all fake now. :lol

She's saying the Clintons & Trumps hang out together? Wouldn't surprise me. Sadden me, yes. Surprise, no.

[boutons_deux]

Adam Schiff Terrifies Trump By Laying Out How His Entire Family Could End Up In Prison


Rep. Schiff said, “First the President is clearly worried that Bob Mueller will be looking into allegations, for example, that the Russians may have laundered money through the Trump Organization.

That is really something, in my opinion, he needs to look at because what concerns me the most, is anything that can be held over the President’s head that could influence U.S. policy, that would be among most powerful form of kompromat.

I think it’s something plainly the President is very concerned about but clearly within the scope of Mueller’s investigation.

”The reason why Trump gets jittery anytime someone goes near his finances is that there are some dark and potential criminal secrets there.

The kind of criminal secrets that wouldn’t just take down Donald Trump, but also his sons Don Jr., and Eric, his daughter Ivanka, and his son in law Jared Kushner.

If Trump’s secrets are ever exposed, there is a possibility that it will destroy his business and wreck his wealth.

If the family has been laundering money for the Russians, the officials of the Trump Organization could face criminal charges.

Those officials are Trump and his kids.

As investigators are following the money, they are finding more trails and threads, which is why the investigation is taking so long, but also why there is a good chance that it will expose this president and his family’s financial dealings with Russia.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/07/23/adam-schiff-terrifies-trump-laying-entire-family-prison.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

[spurraider21]

but is bannon getting the death penalty? :lol

[Reck]

but is bannon getting the death penalty? :lol

It annoys me when people as smart and intellectual as Schiff starts talking about this like some conspiratorial shit. I thought you lawyers were supposed to be smart about this shit. :lol

I need this nigga to run for 2020 and not be relegated as a joke come that time.

[spurraider21]

you lawyers
*Ding*

[boutons_deux]

888780709766287363

a memo is not "settled law" about such an important question.

SCOTUS did rule, in the Clinton/Paula Jones case (PJ financed by VRWC rich boy Mellon-Scaife) that a Pres is not immune from crimes committed before becoming Pres.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/autossell/trump-university-class-action-lawsuit-settlement.html

[Reck]

889467610332528641

How badly does Trump want to get rid of Sessions? :lol

He disrespects him daily now.

[RandomGuy]

No worries comrade RG

Not me. Sorry, sock puppets are not something for which I have time.

[Thread]

889467610332528641

How badly does Trump want to get rid of Sessions? :lol

He disrespects him daily now.

What's the answer to Trump's question?

[benefactor]

What's the answer to Trump's question?
Trump president not Clinton

[Reck]

What's the answer to Trump's question?

Hasn't she been investigated up her whatzoo already?

How many more do we really need?

[Adam Lambert]

what an absolute clusterfuck and embarrassment. our president is having a mental breakdown before our eyes, and he still has people who think hes fit for the job. sad!

[spurraider21]

Not me. Sorry, sock puppets are not something for which I have time.
I know it's not, I'm the one who revealed his identity :lol... it was mainly sarcasm towards Darrin who still always thinks it's you.

[spurraider21]

What's the answer to Trump's question?
Either Jeff Sessions is a liberal democrat hillary supporter... or maybe there's nothing there?

[Thread]

Hasn't she been investigated up her whatzoo already?

How many more do we really need?

At least 1 more.

[Reck]

At least 1 more.

What's new to warrant such investigation?

If there is something new, then I'm right there with you. Let's investigate.

But if all we're doing is a rehash, lets save some tax payer's money.

[Thread]

Either Jeff Sessions is a liberal democrat hillary supporter... or maybe there's nothing there?

Hey, and I love how Media is NOW a Sessions fellow. Yeah, this morning on CNN they were rallying old Jeff to beat the band. "Trump disrespecting him and forcing him to resign.........will only make him that much more resolute to stay and to work even harder on the people's work." Yeah, with a straight face they said it. Nary mention about Sessions racist ways. Not today. tee, hee.

[Thread]

What's new to warrant such investigation?

If there is something new, then I'm right there with you. Let's investigate.

But if all we're doing is a rehash, lets save some tax payer's money.

No, if we have the boodle to do 4 investigations into Trump we have enough left over to do 1 on Hillary.

[Thread]

Trump is eyeballin' Rudy for AG.

[baseline bum]

Trump is eyeballin' Rudy for AG.

Link?

[boutons_deux]

not under oath, Krypto Kanal Kushner and Manafort will lie to Congress

[Reck]

Link?

Saw that on CNN.

But hey they're fake news so take it with a grain of salt.

[Reck]

889500631324434432

Well, bye.

[Thread]

Link?

It's the lead over on Newsmax.

[baseline bum]

It's the lead over on Newsmax.

You have any sources that aren't fake news?

[Chris]

Hey, and I love how Media is NOW a Sessions fellow.

[Pavlov]

You have any sources that aren't fake news?Broken clock.

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-trump-ponders-rudy-giuliani-for-attorney-general-2464579234.html