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https://mobile.twitter.com/jabeale/status/1262887410049957894
https://mobile.twitter.com/jabeale/status/1262887411475976192
ChumpDumper
05-19-2020, 10:54 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jabeale/status/1262887410049957894
https://mobile.twitter.com/jabeale/status/1262887411475976192So they requested an unmasking because they knew who it was?
:lmao everything the breathless right wing twitterverse posts makes less sense than the last thing they posted.
Chris
05-19-2020, 11:10 PM
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1262930441704820736?s=19
ChumpDumper
05-19-2020, 11:13 PM
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1262930441704820736?s=19:lolMaking up some shit because the actual email is a huge nothingburger.
Tell me more about the Nunes memo.
What is there to tell? It was a disaster for Nunes. Nothing was in there. Nothing came off it.
And Nunes was embarrassed.
What is there to tell? It was a disaster for Nunes. Nothing was in there. Nothing came off it.
And Nunes was embarrassed.
You must be thinking of the Schiff memo. How was it a disaster for Nunes?
Chris
05-19-2020, 11:28 PM
:lolMaking up some shit because the actual email is a huge nothingburger.
You didn't get it.
:lol
ChumpDumper
05-19-2020, 11:29 PM
You didn't get it.
:lol"Reading between the lines":lmao
Chris
05-19-2020, 11:33 PM
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1262962550582521856?s=19
https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1262962550582521856?s=19
This post got a lot of potential. To backfire per par.
Winehole23
05-20-2020, 06:42 AM
Petition for Writ of Mandamus
https://sidneypowell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Petition-filed.pdf
If the judge doesn't roll your way, sidestep the judge and demand emergency relief.
https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1263056951149301760
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 11:50 AM
Guy who lied to the FBI and Vice President is in the process of having his criminal case tossed because he has powerful friends (and would be pardoned anyway if unsuccessful) is such a victim
this whole act is a transparent attempt to create degrees of separation for trump.
:cry i didn’t pardon him, his case was thrown out because deep state were meanies.
and even if this route is unsuccessful, this act is meant to create sympathy so the eventual pardon seems less egregious
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 11:53 AM
I struggle to see how any of the evidence is “exonerating” because none of the evidence dispels the notion that he lied to investigators
I struggle to see how any of the evidence is “exonerating” because none of the evidence dispels the notion that he lied to investigators
Flynn said he didn't lie to investigators and only plead guilty because they threatened to go after his son and bury him in legal fees. There's never been any evidence produced showing Flynn lied to investigators, the original 302 is mysteriously "lost" and the 302 produced was written 3 weeks after the interview and then heavily edited by both Strzok and Page. Flynn nor his lawyers have ever been shown where he lied, he was told he lied by the SCO.
https://twitter.com/GillianHTurner/status/1263154635214372864
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 01:14 PM
Flynn said he didn't lie to investigators and only plead guilty because they threatened to go after his son and bury him in legal fees. There's never been any evidence produced showing Flynn lied to investigators, the original 302 is mysteriously "lost" and the 302 produced was written 3 weeks after the interview and then heavily edited by both Strzok and Page. Flynn nor his lawyers have ever been shown where he lied, he was told he lied by the SCO.
we know he lied to Pence about the same thing around the same time period. we know he told the court TWICE that he lied. now he's saying he lied to the court. the guy's a liar.
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 01:15 PM
https://twitter.com/GillianHTurner/status/1263154635214372864
yes. its called memorializing a conversation. i do it all the time in my job any time we have a conference call.
yes. its called memorializing a conversation. i do it all the time in my job any time we have a conference call.
Do you memorialize a conversation you weren’t present for 15 days later?
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 01:40 PM
Do you memorialize a conversation you weren’t present for 15 days later?
i dont know about 15 days later, but yes. if one of the partners had a meeting/conference call/hearing and has hand written notes, not uncommon to brief somebody else and have them generate a written memo
but Rice wasn't in the meeting?
Chris
05-20-2020, 02:46 PM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1263159808523481088?s=19
ChumpDumper
05-20-2020, 03:29 PM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1263159808523481088?s=19Three years in and you're just figuring out what a memo is.
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263194090788831234
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263199039203561474
And Gleeson co-authored the WaPo op-ed as well :lol
What a fucking clown shown, Sullivan is tanking his reputation here.
ChumpDumper
05-20-2020, 03:39 PM
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263194090788831234
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263199039203561474
And Gleeson co-authored the WaPo op-ed as well :lol
What a fucking clown shown, Sullivan is tanking his reputation here.:lol TSA worried about reputations now
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 04:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263199039203561474
And Gleeson co-authored the WaPo op-ed as well :lol
What a fucking clown shown, Sullivan is tanking his reputation here.
seeing as judge sullivan wanted an opposition brief to the motion, it would make a lot of sense to select somebody who actually opposes the motion
how is that tanking his reputation? if i wanted a legitimate opposition brief, i would go out of my way to find a lawyer/judge who disagrees with the motion, that's literally the point
imagine if he wanted an amicus brief from some lawyer at judicial watch :lol
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 04:09 PM
Do you memorialize a conversation you weren’t present for 15 days later?
i dont know about 15 days later, but yes. if one of the partners had a meeting/conference call/hearing and has hand written notes, not uncommon to brief somebody else and have them generate a written memo
but Rice wasn't in the meeting?
was Rice in the meeting?
boutons_deux
05-20-2020, 07:02 PM
SCOTUS blocks House oversight of Exec by throwing out yet another delay in the access to Mueller's report, evidence.
Chris
05-20-2020, 07:07 PM
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1263250069370871809?s=19
TSA
Spurs Homer
05-20-2020, 07:09 PM
SCOTUS blocks House oversight of Exec by throwing out yet another delay in the access to Mueller's report, evidence.
shocker
wait til after election to see if we elect the traitor criminal again
yay- democracy!
was Rice in the meeting?
https://mobile.twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1263218119046094849
Decide for yourself
ChumpDumper
05-20-2020, 07:23 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1263218119046094849
Decide for yourselfTHIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Winehole23
05-20-2020, 09:41 PM
we know he lied to Pence about the same thing around the same time period. we know he told the court TWICE that he lied. now he's saying he lied to the court. the guy's a liar.
Isn't it possible Flynn didn't lie to Pence, but followed orders? The recently declassified info seems to indicate discussions other than with Kislyak.
[Mike Flynn] returned Kislyak’s call immediately after consulting with McFarland.https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/20/flynn-was-hiding-that-he-coordinated-his-kislyak-call-with-mar-a-lago/
Winehole23
05-20-2020, 09:42 PM
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/22/politics/kt-mcfarland-mike-flynn-testimony-russia-sanctions/index.html
Spurs Homer
05-20-2020, 09:47 PM
Isn't it possible Flynn didn't lie to Pence, but followed orders? The recently declassified info seems to indicate discussions other than with Kislyak.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/20/flynn-was-hiding-that-he-coordinated-his-kislyak-call-with-mar-a-lago/
of course you are right
and pence lied
but the liars had to decide which liar they could throw under the bus to save the head liar and the head traitor
but then flynn solved their problem by getting caught and in a panic - lying to the fbi
spurraider21
05-20-2020, 10:22 PM
Isn't it possible Flynn didn't lie to Pence, but followed orders? The recently declassified info seems to indicate discussions other than with Kislyak.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/20/flynn-was-hiding-that-he-coordinated-his-kislyak-call-with-mar-a-lago/
i mean, pence confirmed that Flynn lied to him. just because it was at the direction of somebody else, it wouldnt change that
boutons_deux
05-21-2020, 09:45 AM
More collusion between Pootin and his Useful Idiot
U.S. says pulling out of Open Skies treaty, citing Russian violations
The United States announced its intention to withdraw from the 35-nation Open Skies treaty that permits unarmed aerial surveillance flights over participating countries,
It was the latest move by President Donald Trump’s administration to remove the United States from a major global treaty
a six-month review that found multiple instances of Russian refusal to comply with the treaty. :lol
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-openskies/u-s-says-pulling-out-of-open-skies-treaty-citing-russian-violations-idUSKBN22X1TK?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-openskies/u-s-says-pulling-out-of-open-skies-treaty-citing-russian-violations-idUSKBN22X1TK?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)
https://twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1263325210985615360
Excellent piece by Smith here
boutons_deux
05-21-2020, 11:02 AM
https://twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1263325210985615360
Excellent piece by Smith here
of course, Jews are obsessed with Iran, and they are racists (blacks aren't Jews)
spurraider21
05-21-2020, 11:34 AM
Trumps undoing of the Iran deal wasn’t dependent on Flynn lol
pgardn
05-21-2020, 12:19 PM
More collusion between Pootin and his Useful Idiot
U.S. says pulling out of Open Skies treaty, citing Russian violations
The United States announced its intention to withdraw from the 35-nation Open Skies treaty that permits unarmed aerial surveillance flights over participating countries,
It was the latest move by President Donald Trump’s administration to remove the United States from a major global treaty
a six-month review that found multiple instances of Russian refusal to comply with the treaty. :lol
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-openskies/u-s-says-pulling-out-of-open-skies-treaty-citing-russian-violations-idUSKBN22X1TK?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-openskies/u-s-says-pulling-out-of-open-skies-treaty-citing-russian-violations-idUSKBN22X1TK?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)
Boots this could be taken exactly the opposite way which is most likely.
We are not in good relations with Russia, which is concerning.
We dont want them fckn with our elections, we do want to talk with them concerning arms controls.
Just stop with the collusion stuff on everything you read.
boutons_deux
05-21-2020, 01:13 PM
taken exactly the opposite way which is most likely.
:lol
Pootin wants USA withdrawn from international relations to reduce USA's influence.
World Court, UN, NATO, WHO, any and all, Pootin was USA's influence down and out.
Why didn't Trash punish Russia, exclude Russia from Open Skies, for the so-called incursions and keep USA in the Open Skies agreement?
How does USA withdrawing for Open Skies do anything positive except please Pootin?
Yes, Pootin is an adversary, at war with USA, and Trash is Pootin's Useful Idiot, Trash thinking that if he pleases Pootin, Trash will get his Trump International Hotel Moscow.
And Trash, Pootin's Bitch Mitch, and Repugs knows Pootin's information warfare's objective is to keep Russia-friendly Trash in power.
boutons_deux
05-21-2020, 01:20 PM
CNN’s Avlon roasts Trump’s ‘Obamagate’ stunt:
‘Rarely have we seen the smoking gun fizzle as fast’
Avlon roasted the president and his defenders for hyping up a newly leaked email written by former Obama national security adviser Susan Rice in which
she emphasized that
Obama wanted any investigations into contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian agents to be done “by the book.”
Avlon went on to explain that the email showed Obama and his national security team acting entirely properly
in light of the
Trump campaign’s multiple contacts with Russian officials
who had worked to help Trump win the election just months earlier.
“Instead of wrongdoing, Rice’s email said that President Obama emphasized his continued commitment
to ensuring every aspect was handled by intelligence and law enforcement communities by the book,” he said.
“According to Rice, President Obama stressed that he’s not asking about initiating or instructing anything from a law enforcement perspective.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/cnns-avlon-roasts-trumps-obamagate-stunt-rarely-have-we-seen-the-smoking-gun-fizzle-as-fast/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29
Chris
05-21-2020, 02:05 PM
https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1263508819897876482?s=19
ChumpDumper
05-21-2020, 02:08 PM
https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1263508819897876482?s=19:lmao approved by a minority of the Senate.
Sad.
Chris
05-21-2020, 02:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263545357318971394?s=19
yep. next, to be determined if the court of appeals will even agree to take up the writ... and then how they would rule
the law seems pretty clear that sullivan has some discretion, though. i dont know if this amounts to an abuse of discretion
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263545357318971394
Spurs Homer
05-21-2020, 03:04 PM
Trump : “russia if you are listening...i hope you feloniously attack another american citizen to help me cheat in an american election”
Trump jr: “i love it when you help us bring down an american citizen to help us cheat an american election- lets meet soon russkies!”
TSA: “sounds perfectly ok - I hate america anyway!”
Obama: “lets go by the book”
TSA : (clutching pearls in horror) “he said -by the book -he said - by the book!- what a criminal bastard!”
boutons_deux
05-21-2020, 05:40 PM
https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1263545357318971394
Rao is a piece of Kock/Federalist society shit.
She will absolutely vote in Flynn's favor.
Spurs Homer
05-21-2020, 06:52 PM
https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1263508819897876482?s=19
you mean the guy that testified under oath to this?;
https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-ratcliffe-doesnt-know-deep-state-meaning
If the judge doesn't roll your way, sidestep the judge and demand emergency relief.
Informative thread
https://mobile.twitter.com/reeveslawstl/status/1263588369918906373
yep. next, to be determined if the court of appeals will even agree to take up the writ... and then how they would rule
the law seems pretty clear that sullivan has some discretion, though. i dont know if this amounts to an abuse of discretion
https://mobile.twitter.com/McAdooGordon/status/1263559806624960513
spurraider21
05-21-2020, 08:17 PM
Informative thread
https://mobile.twitter.com/reeveslawstl/status/1263588369918906373
a lot of that is somewhat dramatized imo, but yes at this stage its probably the best sign that the appellate judge is actually conflicted over this. doesnt necessarily mean he is leaning in any particular direction.
absolutely correct that most writs are summarily denied (both writs i have filed were summarily denied), and the mere decision to take it on is a big relief for Flynn. i dont think ordering sullivan to submit a response is really that alarming
a lot of that is somewhat dramatized imo, but yes at this stage its probably the best sign that the appellate judge is actually conflicted over this. doesnt necessarily mean he is leaning in any particular direction.
absolutely correct that most writs are summarily denied (both writs i have filed were summarily denied), and the mere decision to take it on is a big relief for Flynn. i dont think ordering sullivan to submit a response is really that alarmingHow long you been practicing? :lol
“In more than 30 years of practicing law, almost exclusively in federal courts, I have never seen a federal appeals court direct a district court judge to personally respond to a litigant’s motion, petition, or appeal.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1263606257295843328
“Wow. I have never seen an appellate court direct a district court judge to file a response to a mandamus. This is extraordinary.”
https://www.mcadoolaw.com/
ChumpDumper
05-21-2020, 08:57 PM
How long you been practicing? :lol
“In more than 30 years of practicing law, almost exclusively in federal courts, I have never seen a federal appeals court direct a district court judge to personally respond to a litigant’s motion, petition, or appeal.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1263606257295843328
“Wow. I have never seen an appellate court direct a district court judge to file a response to a mandamus. This is extraordinary.”
https://www.mcadoolaw.com/Have you ever seen the prosecution drop a case during sentencing?
spurraider21
05-21-2020, 08:59 PM
How long you been practicing? :lol
“In more than 30 years of practicing law, almost exclusively in federal courts, I have never seen a federal appeals court direct a district court judge to personally respond to a litigant’s motion, petition, or appeal.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1263606257295843328
“Wow. I have never seen an appellate court direct a district court judge to file a response to a mandamus. This is extraordinary.”
https://www.mcadoolaw.com/
i haven't been practicing all that long, about 2.5 years tbh :lol
but i dont deal with federal appeals, so admittedly out of my domain. if its specifically about the judge's supposed abuse of discretion i would imagine this is the expected result. usually in an appeal or writ the parties at the trial level are adversarial... so if the defendant pursued a writ the prosecutor would be opposing it
this situation is different because neither of the parties are the natural opposition, so it really has to be the judge. most cases dont have the 2 parties in agreement with the judge standing in the way, which is why i dont see it as particularly striking. the dynamic of 2 parties agreeing with the judge is the barrier is almost certainly unusual, so i would imagine a lot of what's going on is uncommon. that doenst mean sullivan being ordered to oppose the writ is unexpected given the dynamic at hand
Winehole23
05-21-2020, 09:16 PM
i mean, pence confirmed that Flynn lied to him. just because it was at the direction of somebody else, it wouldnt change thatEh, that's fair.
Presuming the bona fides of Mike Pence is a big a for me, I guess in the absence of evidence Pence lied about tje situation, we have to assume he might not have. What Flynn was aiming at was. This was not a complixated deal, or even a well hidden one. completely conaistent with the established pattern of being conciliatory toward the GRU.
This was not aome complicated, hard to understand deal. Ot was not even particularly well hidden.
ElNono
05-21-2020, 09:21 PM
a lot of that is somewhat dramatized imo, but yes at this stage its probably the best sign that the appellate judge is actually conflicted over this. doesnt necessarily mean he is leaning in any particular direction.
absolutely correct that most writs are summarily denied (both writs i have filed were summarily denied), and the mere decision to take it on is a big relief for Flynn. i dont think ordering sullivan to submit a response is really that alarming
DC Court of Appeals good for now... we'll see in 10 days...
i haven't been practicing all that long, about 2.5 years tbh :lol
but i dont deal with federal appeals, so admittedly out of my domain. if its specifically about the judge's supposed abuse of discretion i would imagine this is the expected result. usually in an appeal or writ the parties at the trial level are adversarial... so if the defendant pursued a writ the prosecutor would be opposing it
this situation is different because neither of the parties are the natural opposition, so it really has to be the judge. most cases dont have the 2 parties in agreement with the judge standing in the way, which is why i dont see it as particularly striking. the dynamic of 2 parties agreeing with the judge is the barrier is almost certainly unusual, so i would imagine a lot of what's going on is uncommon. that doenst mean sullivan being ordered to oppose the writ is unexpected given the dynamic at hand
:bobo
Eh, that's fair.
Presuming the bona fides of Mike Pence is a big a for me, I guess in the absence of evidence Pence lied about tje situation, we have to assume he might not have. What Flynn was aiming at was. This was not a complixated deal, or even a well hidden one. completely conaistent with the established pattern of being conciliatory toward the GRU.
This was not aome complicated, hard to understand deal. Ot was not even particularly well hidden.
My copy/paste phone/pdf looks as good as your drunken reply :lol
Nor was anything said on the calls themselves to indicate an inappropriate relationship betweenMr.Flynnand a foreign power. Indeed,Mr.Flynn’srequest that Russia avoid “escalating”tensionsinresponsetoU.S.sanctionsinane fforttomollifygeopoliticaltensions was consistent with him advocatingfor,not against,the interestsof the UnitedStates.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6936-michael-flynn-motion-to-dismiss/fa06f5e13a0ec71843b6/optimized/full.pdf
DC Court of Appeals good for now... we'll see in 10 days...
Sullivan got his dick slapped...there’s nothing more to see.
Spurs Homer
05-21-2020, 09:45 PM
My copy/paste phone/pdf looks as good as your drunken reply :lol
Nor was anything said on the calls themselves to indicate an inappropriate relationship betweenMr.Flynnand a foreign power. Indeed,Mr.Flynn’srequest that Russia avoid “escalating”tensionsinresponsetoU.S.sanctionsinane fforttomollifygeopoliticaltensions was consistent with him advocatingfor,not against,the interestsof the UnitedStates.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6936-michael-flynn-motion-to-dismiss/fa06f5e13a0ec71843b6/optimized/full.pdf
hahahahahaha!
GTFO of here with that shit
flynn is saying to our sworn enemy: “fuck the usa president- we will NOT punish you or hold you responsible for attacking the usa- just chill and dont retaliate - and we will happily collude with you and drop those sanctions because you got trump elected!”
quid pro quo
fucking disgusting traitor -
and you defend this
hahahahahaha!
GTFO of here with that shit
flynn is saying to our sworn enemy: “fuck the usa president- we will NOT punish you or hold you responsible for attacking the usa- just chill and dont retaliate - and we will happily collude with you and drop those sanctions because you got trump elected!”
quid pro quo
fucking disgusting traitor -
and you defend this
Flynn didn’t discuss sanctions. I thought you read the Mueller report 5-6 times. :rollin
Spurs Homer
05-21-2020, 09:56 PM
Flynn didn’t discuss sanctions. I thought you read the Mueller report 5-6 times. :rollin
fucking idiot
so what was he asking kislyak to “not retaliate” from?
from obamas sanctions for their meddling
fucking moron
Flynn didn’t discuss sanctions. I thought you read the Mueller report 5-6 times. :rollin
He read the words "the Mueller report" 5 or 6 times.
fucking idiot
so what was he asking kislyak to “not retaliate” from?
from obamas sanctions for their meddling
fucking moron
Flynn asked them to respond proportionally to the 35 expelled Russians. You never read the Mueller report once let alone 5-6 times :lmao
ChumpetteInTraining
05-21-2020, 10:16 PM
Flynn didn’t discuss sanctions. I thought you read the Mueller report 5-6 times. :rollin
We need to prosecute to find out what's in it.
Spurs Homer
05-21-2020, 10:30 PM
Flynn asked them to respond proportionally to the 35 expelled Russians. You never read the Mueller report once let alone 5-6 times :lmao
yes he asked them to “not retaliate”
because obama expeled russians and placed sanctions on russian intelligence
fucking misinformed cunt
so obama sanctioned russia
which part of “obama sanctioned russia” are you fucking confused about and think it is unrelated to sanctions?
Spurs Homer
05-21-2020, 10:39 PM
Flynn asked them to respond proportionally to the 35 expelled Russians. You never read the Mueller report once let alone 5-6 times :lmao
From the Mueller report;
On December 29, 2016, then-President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for havinginterfered in the election. Incoming National Security Advisor Michael Flynn called RussianAmbassador Sergey Kislyak and asked Russia not to escalate the situation in response to thesanctions. The following day, Putin announced that Russia would not take retaliatory measures inresponse to the sanctions at that time. Hours later, President-Elect Trump tweeted, “Great moveon delay (by V. Putin).” The next day, on December 31, 2016, Kislyak called Flynn and told himthe request had been received at the highest levels and Russia had chosen not to retaliate as a resultof Flynn’s request.*
Is Mueller lying?
Fucking russian bot.
Chris
05-21-2020, 10:56 PM
Spurs Homer getting rekt :lol
Spurs Homer
05-21-2020, 10:58 PM
Spurs Homer getting rekt :lol
hey russian bots getting activated automatically!
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 12:38 AM
Lol
comrade TSA ran away like a little bitch after getting schooled on facts
spurraider21
05-22-2020, 01:02 AM
Sullivan got his dick slapped...there’s nothing more to see.
How?
From the Mueller report;
On December 29, 2016, then-President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for havinginterfered in the election. Incoming National Security Advisor Michael Flynn called RussianAmbassador Sergey Kislyak and asked Russia not to escalate the situation in response to thesanctions. The following day, Putin announced that Russia would not take retaliatory measures inresponse to the sanctions at that time. Hours later, President-Elect Trump tweeted, “Great moveon delay (by V. Putin).” The next day, on December 31, 2016, Kislyak called Flynn and told himthe request had been received at the highest levels and Russia had chosen not to retaliate as a resultof Flynn’s request.*
Is Mueller lying?
Fucking russian bot.
Not sure if he is lying but he was incorrect. Flynn asked them to respond proportionally to 35 expelled Russians, he didn't ask them to not respond to sanctions.
Mueller good now?
1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."
3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."
4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."
5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."
6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."
7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."
And I'm still waiting for you to show me where Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous and told he could not charge them with conspiracy. Chop chop!
How?
You wouldn't understand as it's admittedly out of your domain.
ChumpDumper
05-22-2020, 09:55 AM
You wouldn't understand as it's admittedly out of your domain. It's your domain, counselor.:lol
The Railroading of Michael Flynn
How it happened and why it matters
Eli Lake
n their final encounter during the transition following the 2016 election, Donald Trump’s incoming national-security adviser surprised Barack Obama’s outgoing national-security adviser. Susan Rice writes in her memoir that the Michael Flynn she was dealing with had nothing in common with the firebrand she had watched leading a “lock her up” chant against Hillary Clinton at the Republican National Convention a few months earlier. Flynn, a retired general and the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was respectful and subdued, eager for her advice. When Rice extended her hand and wished him the best of luck, Flynn asked her for a hug.
He needed it more than he could possibly have known.
Flynn did not then know that leaders of the FBI and the Justice Department were out for his head. They suspected he was a Russian agent—despite the fact that a counterintelligence investigation into Flynn launched five months earlier by the FBI had found no evidence for such a claim. Three weeks into the Trump administration, the Flynn hunt bagged its trophy. The newly installed national-security adviser was compelled to quit. The stated rationale was that Flynn had lost the confidence of the new vice president because he had supposedly misled Mike Pence about some phone calls between Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the United States. That those phone calls became public knowledge was almost certainly the result of Obama-administration leaks of highly sensitive intelligence information.
That was February. In May, the Flynn hunt resumed. Robert Mueller was named a special prosecutor tasked with investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible ties to Donald Trump and his presidential campaign. After months of aggressive targeting, Mueller succeeded in getting Flynn to plead guilty to lying to the FBI—even though the actual FBI agents who had interviewed Flynn assessed that he hadn’t lied at all. Still later, when Flynn’s lawyers sought documents that would clear him of the charge he had lied, the Justice Department fought to keep them secret.
Finally, in May 2020, another Justice Department investigation was concluded. The Trump administration went to court and moved to drop the federal government’s case. As it did so, it released shocking documents from inside the executive branch that reveal the extent of the injustices done to Flynn. The stunning response from senior Obama officials, including Obama himself, was to condemn the supposed politicization of the Trump Justice Department. Now the Judge hearing Flynn’s case has paused the motion. Michael Flynn is still in limbo.
This is the story of the railroading of Michael Flynn.
I.
In August 2016, the FBI launched a counterintelligence probe into Flynn, who had become a key member of Trump’s foreign-policy team two years after Barack Obama humiliated Flynn by removing him from his post at the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. The FBI and the Justice Department were spooked by Flynn’s proximity to the Republican nominee for president. They knew Flynn had taken money from RT, the Russian propaganda network dedicated to boosting Vladimir Putin, and had been seated next to Putin at a dinner in Moscow he had been paid to attend. Given how peculiarly well-disposed Trump and his campaign had been toward Russia, the notion that something untoward might have been going on didn’t seem far-fetched—especially since Flynn was openly bitter about how Obama had defenestrated him.
But the anti-Flynn probe came up empty, and by January 4, 2017, the case agent in charge of the probe had drafted the paperwork necessary to close the file on Flynn. At the last minute, the case agent’s supervisor told the case agent to hold off because FBI Director James Comey wanted to keep the case open. Comey had learned that during the previous week, Flynn had had the misfortune of returning a phone call from the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, while Flynn was on vacation in the Dominican Republic. The FBI was listening in.
In those December 29 calls (Flynn had had to phone back a few times because reception was choppy), Flynn had urged Kislyak not to escalate tensions with the United States. Obama had just expelled 35 of Russia’s spies and had levied minor sanctions against Putin’s intelligence agencies as a rebuke for election meddling. According to the motion to drop his prosecution, Flynn’s request was “consistent with him advocating for, not against, the interests of the United States.” Moreover, Flynn’s communications with Kislyak “gave no indication that Mr. Flynn was being directed and controlled by the Russian federation.”
At a White House meeting on January 5, 2017, President Obama asked the attendees what they thought about sharing the most privileged information his intelligence agencies had gathered about Russia’s efforts to meddle in the 2016 election with the incoming Trump team. Present were Joe Biden, Rice, Comey, and Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates. According to both Rice’s memoir and a memo memorializing the meeting (dated January 20, 2017), the president stressed that everything the FBI did in this sensitive matter should be “by the book.” In fact, nothing was done by the book—not by Obama’s deputies and not by Obama. At the end of the meeting, Obama pulled Yates and Comey aside. It was at this point that Yates learned from Obama of the Flynn–Kislyak call. Obama’s full knowledge of the Flynn investigation is still unknown. According to newly declassified transcripts of her interview with Mueller’s team, Yates grew increasingly frustrated over the next two weeks with Comey’s efforts to keep the Trump team in the dark about the Flynn probe because she found Comey’s explanations of his investigation confusing and inconsistent.
First of all, Comey raised the prospect in the January 5 meeting that Flynn may have violated the Logan Act. The act, which makes it a crime for a private citizen to engage in the making of U.S. foreign policy without explicit authorization from the executive branch, is a 220-year-old relic—a product of the John Adams administration. It has never been successfully used to prosecute anyone, and no American has been charged with breaking it since before the Civil War. Bringing up this old chestnut suggests that the FBI was looking for any conceivable pretext to keep its Flynn hunt alive. To that end, the FBI officer overseeing the Flynn case, Peter Strzok, eagerly provided a Congressional Research Service report on the history and utility of the Logan Act to FBI lawyer Lisa Page, who was working in the office of Comey’s deputy, Andrew McCabe.1 In his 2019 memoir, McCabe writes that in “high-level discussion at the relevant agencies and at Justice, the question arose: Was this a violation of the Logan Act?”
Yates, we learn from the Mueller transcript, was dubious about predicating a criminal investigation on this ridiculously antiquated and never-used law. Indeed, Comey told the House Intelligence Committee in March 2017 that the FBI had not been pursuing the question of Flynn’s supposed violation of the Logan Act because the Justice Department had not asked the FBI to investigate the matter.
And yet the Logan Act was part of the FBI’s ongoing investigation. Handwritten notes from March 2017 by former Acting Assistant Attorney General Dana Boente said the broader FBI probe into the possible conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia in part “focused on the Flynn investigation and potential criminal violations of the Logan Act.” (This detail comes from the December 2019 report on the FBI’s investigation issued by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz.)
Moreover, a recently declassified “scope memo” on the Mueller probe—a document defining the range of issues Mueller was to examine—drafted on August 2, 2017, by then Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein authorized Mueller’s team to investigate whether Flynn had “committed a crime or crimes by engaging in conversations with Russian government officials during the period of the Trump transition.” The only crime or crimes that could be found in this case would either be outright espionage or a violation of the Logan Act.
The idea that Flynn had behaved illegally, let alone unethically or immorally or unconventionally, in discussing U.S. foreign policy with the Russians during the transition is beyond absurd. He was the incoming national-security adviser. Phone calls between incoming senior administration officials and foreign governments are common during a presidential transition. And given what is now known about the context of that phone call, the initial spin in the press that Flynn’s conversation with Kislyak had undermined the outgoing administration’s policy was misleading.
Why this reliance on the Logan Act in the first place? According to regulations, FBI investigations into “federal crimes or threats to national security or to collect foreign intelligence” require a “predicate.” The FBI cannot establish the predicate at will, the rules state: “The initiation of a predicated investigation requires supervisory approval at a level or levels specified by FBI policy.” It seems likely that Comey was looking for a rationale to continue the FBI’s pursuit of Flynn because the original rationale—the question of whether Flynn was a Russian asset—had come up empty. He could no longer legally investigate Flynn because the initial search had reached its end.
Only it hadn’t.
II.
As it happens, the FBI case manager for the Flynn investigation, Joe Pientka, had indeed drafted a memo closing the Flynn investigation—but he hadn’t filed it formally. Because of Pientka’s “incompetence” (the word was Peter Strzok’s, in a delighted text exchange on January 4, 2017, with his paramour Page), the probe was not shut down and a new predicate wasn’t required. In his motion to dismiss the prosecution of Flynn, U.S. Attorney Timothy Shea said this “sidestepped a modest but critical protection that constrains the investigative reach of law enforcement: the predication threshold for investigating American citizens.”
Until the end of April 2020, Pientka’s memo was kept from Flynn’s counsel and the public. It has been released only now because career U.S. attorney Jeffrey Jensen completed his review of Flynn’s case and declassified documents relevant to it. The Pientka memo provides far more detail on the status of the Flynn investigation than was previously known—and what it shows isn’t pretty.
We learn from the memo that after the FBI ran down a lead provided by a confidential human source about Flynn’s contact with a person with links to the Russian state, the bureau could not confirm that any such relationship ever existed. That source was likely Stefan Halper, a fellow at Cambridge University and an intelligence community insider. Halper was being paid by the U.S. government to inform on Flynn as well as another Trump campaign aide, George Papadopoulos.
Flynn’s suspected contact, whose name is redacted in the memo, is likely Svetlana Lokhova. She is a Russian-born academic who, the Guardian and other news outlets reported in 2017, had traveled in the same car with Flynn as they left a Cambridge University seminar in 2016.
These stories made it seem as if Lokhova was luring Flynn into a honey trap, during which sex is offered for blackmail leverage later on. “The CIA and FBI were discussing this episode, along with many others, as they assessed Flynn’s suitability to serve as national security adviser,” the Guardian reported.
The Lokhova story was a smear. Two months after it was published, the Guardian was forced to append an embarrassing correction. The correction read in part, “Her lawyers have also subsequently informed us that she does not have privileged access to any Russian intelligence archive. We also wish to make clear, for the avoidance of doubt, that there is no suggestion that Lokhova has ever worked with or for any of the Russian intelligence agencies.” Last year, Lokhova sued Halper and several news organizations for the smear against her.
Pientka’s memo also reveals that FBI agents searched multiple databases inside the intelligence community for derogatory information on Flynn and found nothing. This is much more significant than a Google search of classified databases; this would have been a scouring of the intelligence provided by spies and electronic eavesdropping on Russia’s own intelligence activities, the same sources and data that informed the government’s assessment of Russia’s election interference. The memo says the investigation yielded so little that senior management recommended closing the case before even interviewing Flynn.
In March 2017, a month after Flynn had resigned, Comey told Congress that he thought he may have wanted to close the investigation in late December or early January. But after he became aware of the Flynn–Kislyak conversation, he wanted to keep it open to see whether there was anything the investigators were missing.
These events would lead to the FBI interview that Mueller would later use to coerce the guilty plea out of Flynn. Comey told Congress that nothing much happened in the Flynn matter until David Ignatius published a column in the Washington Post on January 12, 2017. In that column, Ignatius revealed that Flynn had made the phone calls to the Russian ambassador during which the two discussed the sanctions that Obama levied against Russia. Three days later, on January 15, Mike Pence appeared on CBS’s Face the Nation and was asked about the revelation in Ignatius’s column. Pence said that Flynn had told him there had been no discussions of sanctions.
Here’s what Comey told the House Intelligence Committee he wanted his agents to do: “We had this disconnect publicly between what the vice president was saying and what we knew. And so before we closed an investigation of Flynn, I wanted them to sit before him and say, ‘What is the deal?’” That is not at all what the agents did.
III.
The FBI discussed several strategies for the interview. In the end, Pientka and Strzok settled on an approach designed to lead Flynn to dissemble. They decided they would not show him the transcript of his Kislyak call. They would not inform Flynn that he was the subject of a criminal or counterintelligence investigation. And they would not remind him that it was a crime to lie to FBI agents. Strzok would later recall that Flynn saw his interrogators as allies.
On the morning of the interview, the bureau’s counterintelligence chief, Bill Priestap, expressed concern about what was about to happen. Not only was the FBI going into the meeting without making it clear to Flynn he was in jeopardy, it was also not going to inform the White House counsel that Flynn was being interviewed.
Texts between Page and Strzok show that Priestap urged Comey and McCabe to be more direct with the White House and Flynn. McCabe didn’t want to hear it and cut Priestap off. According to handwritten notes disclosed through a review of the Flynn prosecution by U.S. attorney Jensen, Priestap found it difficult to make sense of the investigative purpose of the interview. “What’s our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” he wrote. (The New York Times claims Priestap told Jensen’s review team that the FBI had not been trying to set up Flynn, a contention that is undercut by other evidence disclosed by the Justice Department.)
When McCabe called Flynn to set up the interview, Shea says he “effectively discouraged Mr. Flynn from procuring counsel or even notifying the White House Counsel.” That suggests that the account McCabe provides in his memoir, where he says he asked Flynn whether he wanted counsel present during the interview, is misleading at best.
Flynn had been led to believe that the interview with the agents was purely informational, and when they arrived at his office, they went out of their way to make him feel at ease. In his motion to withdraw his 2017 plea for lying to the FBI, Flynn reiterated that he did not have a clear recollection of the conversation with Kislyak and did not intentionally lie to Pientka and Strzok. He also said he is generally tightlipped with interlocutors outside his chain of command. “My baseline reaction to questions posed by people outside of superiors, immediate command, or office of responsibility is to protect sensitive or classified information, except upon ‘need to know’ or the proper level of security clearance,” he wrote.
Flynn did not believe he was being interviewed as part of a criminal or counterintelligence investigation (indeed, this was something Comey took great pains to conceal from Trump’s White House, whose lawyers might have counseled caution to Flynn or sat in on the interview, as would be typical). Therefore, Flynn did not feel that Strzok and Pientka were out to get him; if anything, he thought he outranked them and that they were in effect his underlings.
More telling, Strzok and Pientka did not detect any of the body language or ticks associated with lying. Considering that Pientka had attended a briefing with Flynn during the campaign in order to assess Flynn’s baseline mannerisms, this assessment has credibility. Comey, on his 2018 book tour, would later deny that the agents had thought Flynn was being truthful. But transcripts show that when asked under oath in the closed session with the House Intelligence Committee if Flynn lied to his agents, Comey said, “I don’t know. I think there is an argument to be made that he lied. It is a close one.”
The FBI’s official record of that interview, known as a 302, also discredits Comey’s after-the-fact spin. It shows that Flynn said he did not remember details when asked by the FBI agents. When prompted if he had asked Kislyak not to engage in a “tit for tat,” Flynn responded that he didn’t remember. Shea, in his motion, writes that “the statements in question were not by their nature easily falsifiable. In his interview, Mr. Flynn offered either equivocal (‘I don’t know’) or indirect responses, or claimed to not remember the matter in question.”
The 302 record also shows that Comey’s initial justification to Congress in March for the interview was misleading. “My judgment,” he said, “was we could not close the investigation of Mr. Flynn without asking him what is the deal” with the “disconnect” between what he told Kislyak and what he told Pence. But the agents never asked Flynn direct questions about his conversation with Pence.
Once the interview was over, Comey reversed his position on informing the new White House about the national security adviser and sent the White House the call transcripts. Before that, he had said he worried that informing anyone on the Trump team would jeopardize the bureau’s investigation. After, Comey told deputy Attorney General Sally Yates that he thought briefing the vice president about the phone-call transcripts was fine. She did so just before she was fired on January 30. As a result, Pence initially believed Flynn had lied to him, and on February 13, Trump forced Flynn to resign. Pence has since changed his mind. He said on May 11 of this year that he would welcome Flynn back to the White House and no longer believes that Flynn deliberately misled him.
IV.
After Shea’s motion to end Flynn’s prosecution was sent to the court on May 7, the former acting assistant attorney general for national security, Mary McCord, took public issue with it. In an op-ed for the New York Times, she accuses Shea—and by extension Attorney General William Barr—of twisting words that she provided in an interview to the FBI about key events after the fact to support the motion.
McCord acknowledges there were disagreements between Comey and Yates on notifying the incoming Trump administration of Flynn’s Kislyak call. At the same time, she says her interview does not support Shea’s claim that the call was immaterial to the counterintelligence investigation.
McCord’s argument is premised on the disconnect between the Pence interview and the transcript of the Flynn–Kislyak call. She writes: “The Russians would have known what Mr. Flynn and Mr. Kislyak discussed. They would have known that, despite Mr. Pence’s and others’ denials, Mr. Flynn had in fact asked Russia not to escalate its response to the sanctions. Mr. Pence’s denial of this on national television, and his attribution of the denial to Mr. Flynn, put Mr. Flynn in a potentially compromised situation that the Russians could use against him.”
McCord is not arguing that the call in and of itself was material to a counterintelligence investigation. Instead McCord echoes what Yates herself testified to Congress in 2017—that because of the conversation about sanctions, Flynn had made himself vulnerable to blackmail following the Pence interview. But this is a strange argument: If the Russian government intended to blackmail Flynn over lying to Pence about an innocuous phone call with Kislyak, it would have had no leverage. Before the call, Flynn coordinated his response with the Trump transition team. Even Comey didn’t think much of the blackmail theory. On March 7, 2017, he told the House Intelligence Committee in closed session that it was “possible” Flynn could be blackmailed about his phone call but that it “struck me as a bit of a reach, though, honestly.”
Taking a step back, there is a more fundamental question: What business was it of McCord or Yates if Pence lied on Face the Nation? Why did they assume that Flynn lied as opposed to misremembered? Perhaps it was Pence who lied, because he was asked a question he found difficult to answer on national television. None of these obvious questions appear to have been asked by the Justice Department leadership. The only reason Yates’s testimony on this was accepted at face value in 2017 is that most of the Washington establishment was in a panic, stoked by the opposition-research dossier funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign and produced by Christopher Steele.
Indeed, that dossier was the primary piece of information in the FBI’s possession that suggested the Trump campaign sought a quid pro quo with Russia on the matter of Russian sanctions. The Steele dossier alleges that a low-level campaign aide named Carter Page was a conduit in Russia for dirt on Clinton and in exchange had secured a deal to lift more significant sanctions if Trump was elected. By the spring of 2017, FBI agents had ample evidence the dossier was hokum, as the December 2019 report by the Justice Department’s inspector general shows in great detail. Steele’s sources, upon being contacted by FBI agents, would not support its most explosive claims, and the initial wiretaps on Page failed to disclose any confirmation of Steele’s allegations. Nonetheless, the dossier was submitted four times to the secret FISA surveillance court to obtain and renew eavesdropping warrants on Page.
The FBI never sought a warrant to eavesdrop on Flynn. But the FBI was listening to Kislyak’s calls. Comey authorized that Flynn’s name would be unmasked on those transcripts of the December 29 call and shared the information with FBI leadership as well as the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Obama also knew about the phone calls, as the January 5 meeting indicated. McCabe and Comey have both said that they learned about the calls after the intelligence community was tasked with trying to find out why Putin had not escalated in response to Obama’s decision to expel 35 Russian spies. Flynn’s request helped explain why. But there is no way a reasonable person could conclude that a move to prevent a tit-for-tat escalation was evidence that Flynn was a Russian agent or asset.
As most of the press homed in on whether Flynn discussed the sanctions Obama had imposed, Flynn told the Daily Caller that he did discuss the expulsion of the 35 Russian spies with Kislyak in his last interview as national-security adviser. “It wasn’t about sanctions. It was about the 35 guys who were thrown out,” he said. “So that’s what it turned out to be. It was basically, ‘Look, I know this happened. We’ll review everything.’ I never said anything such as, ‘We’re going to review sanctions,’ or anything like that.”
V.
It’s obviously fair to ask why, if Flynn hadn’t really lied, he would have pled guilty to one count of making false statements in his FBI interview. The plea itself makes no reference to Flynn saying the Trump administration would later review the sanctions—and as a matter of fact, the sanctions never were lifted. It says that Flynn lied to the FBI agents when he said he did not ask Kislyak to refrain from escalating the situation and that he did not remember “a follow-up conversation in which the Russian ambassador stated that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of Flynn’s request.”
It goes on to say Flynn lied to FBI agents about his requests of members of the UN Security Council either to delay or vote against a resolution pushed by the Obama administration chastising Israeli settlements. He made this request of Kislyak, who informed him that Russia would not oppose the resolution. Flynn never shared these details with the FBI agents who interviewed him on his fourth day on the job as national-security adviser.
From the perspective of the FBI’s investigation into possible coordination, collusion, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, this is the thinnest of gruel. Nonetheless, the motion says that Flynn’s “false statements and omissions impeded and otherwise had a material impact on the FBI’s ongoing investigation.”
Given what is known now, those words are more of a lie than anything Flynn said to the FBI agents who interviewed him. To recap: At this point in the investigation, the FBI had already investigated whether Flynn had been a witting or unwitting Russian agent and had found nothing. The bureau also had in its possession the transcript of Flynn’s call to Kislyak. And as Shea’s motion shows, Flynn’s communications to Kislyak on sanctions should have been considered evidence that he was not a Russian agent or asset.
The reason that Flynn put his name to something he knew was not true was that Mueller’s investigators were squeezing him on an unrelated matter.
In August 2016, Flynn took a contract to represent a Dutch firm known as Inovo BV on a project aimed at investigating and defaming Fetullah Gulen, a charismatic Turkish cleric who had become a mortal enemy of Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and was living in exile in Pennsylvania. In 2016, Erdogan survived a military coup he blamed on Gulen’s followers. Erdogan’s regime sought Gulen’s extradition back to Turkey, where he would almost certainly have faced the death penalty.
Taking that contract showed horrendous judgment on Flynn’s part. He was the Trump campaign’s national-security adviser and had no business getting himself in the middle of this. That said, it was a potential political problem for Trump, not the national-security threat that many in the resistance now say it was. It’s fair game for journalists and Democrats to make a stink about the Inovo contract. But it was highly unusual for Flynn’s missteps in this case to be the basis for a criminal prosecution on the grounds that Flynn had violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).
Before Mueller was appointed special prosecutor, FARA violations were treated for the most part the way you’d treat a speeding violation. A 2016 Justice Department inspector general report found only seven criminal prosecutions for FARA violations in the half-century from 1965 to 2015. Most of the time, violators were told to amend their forms and at worst pay a fine.
Mueller decided to use FARA as a useful cudgel to nail people he wanted to flip to get them to spill the beans on Trump. He brought a FARA charge against former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, who was also convicted on more serious charges of money laundering and other crimes. Mueller’s team decided they could use the threat of a FARA prosecution to squeeze Flynn as well.
Flynn had initially registered the Inovo contract in August 2016 through a less stringent law known as the Lobbying Disclosure Act. He did so on the advice of his counsel at the time. And when Flynn took the contract, that advice was sound. The legal environment for FARA registrations was quite permissive at the time. But at the end of 2017, and with Mueller in hot pursuit and with unlimited resources, Flynn—and his son, Michael Jr.—could have found themselves facing years in prison. So Flynn, in financial ruin and wishing to get his son out of Mueller’s crosshairs, agreed to cooperate.
And cooperate he did. Before his first sentencing hearing at the end of 2018, Mueller’s team initially recommended no jail time for Flynn, in part because he was a good cooperative witness. Over time, though, Flynn began to regret his decision. Some of this was because of the failure of Mueller’s investigation to bring a single charge against any American for coordinating with Russia’s influence operation in 2016. Some of it was also because details about the government’s own misconduct in the investigation began to leak out. So in 2019, Flynn ended his relationship with his lawyers from Covington and Burling, the ones who had filed his initial FARA registration forms on the Inovo matter and who had also represented his partner Bijan Rafiekian, who had also been indicted on FARA violations.
Flynn also began to back out of his cooperation with the government’s case against Rafiekian. In July 2019, prosecutors decided they would not call Flynn as a witness and threatened to prosecute Flynn as a co-conspirator. At first Flynn’s lack of cooperation didn’t matter because that same month, a jury found Rafiekian guilty of being an unregistered agent for the government of Turkey. But the judge in the case overturned the jury verdict in a blistering judgment on the prosecution. “The government has failed to offer substantial evidence from which any rational juror could find beyond a reasonable doubt” that Rafiekian was an agent of Turkey
The judge’s ruling was significant for Flynn in one important respect. In 2017, during the run-up to Flynn’s plea agreement, the Wall Street Journal reported that Flynn and his son had been approached by Turkish government officials to try to kidnap Gulen and bring him back to Turkey in exchange for $15 million. A November 10 story in the Journal said that Mueller’s team was investigating the matter. Flynn’s lawyers have categorically said this episode never happened. There is no mention of the episode in the prosecution of Rafiekian. The one on-the-record source for this allegation was former CIA Director James Woolsey, who himself sought a contract with Turkey to defame Gulen.
VI.
Since Shea’s motion was entered before Judge Emmet Sullivan, Democrats and the FBI’s defenders have raged at the injustice of it all. Obama himself, in comments to his administration’s alumni, said, “That’s the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic—not just institutional norms—but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk. And when you start moving in those directions, it can accelerate pretty quickly, as we’ve seen in other places.”
This is now the party line for the resistance—to its immense discredit. On May 12, Judge Sullivan ruled that he will hear arguments for Flynn’s guilt from outside parties, further delaying when Flynn will learn his fate.
What Jensen uncovered in his review was not only an injustice against Flynn but an assault on the peaceful transition of presidential power. The FBI’s job is not to entangle the new president’s national-security adviser in a spurious investigation. Justice is not served when dubious threats of prosecution are leveraged to get political opponents to plead guilty to lies they did not tell.
There is another side to this as well. For all of the former prosecutors and pundits appalled that Flynn, who confessed to lying to the FBI, is no longer being charged with that crime, where is their outrage at all of the lies told by his accusers?
Compare Flynn’s treatment to McCabe’s. Flynn was humiliated and bankrupted for allegedly lying to Pence and FBI agents over a phone call that advanced U.S. interests.
Meanwhile, the Justice Department inspector general found in 2018 that McCabe “knowingly provided false information” in three separate interviews during an investigation into self-serving leaks published by the Wall Street Journal about an aborted investigation into the Clinton Foundation in 2016. That report also found that McCabe admonished more junior FBI agents for the leaks that he himself had authorized. Today, McCabe is a contributor at CNN. His opinions are still taken seriously at places like the esteemed Lawfare website. He remains in the good graces of the Trump resistance.
Or consider Strzok, the FBI agent who schemed with Lisa Page. When Strzok testified before the House Judiciary Committee in 2018 and was asked whether his animus toward Trump, as expressed in text messages to Page throughout 2016, may have influenced his judgment in handling the Trump–Russia investigation, he balked. “I can assure you at no time in any of these texts did those personal beliefs ever enter into the realm of any action I took,” he said. “This isn’t just me, you don’t have to take my word for it, there were multiple layers of people above me and below me, they would not tolerate any improper behavior in me any more than I would tolerate it in them, that is who we are at the FBI.”
Just who was the FBI when Comey was its director and Strzok was overseeing the investigation into Flynn and Trump–Russia? Their FBI lied to the surveillance court on multiple occasions and led the public to believe it had a powerful cause to suspect a conspiracy between Trump and Russia when it didn’t have the goods. It not only did “tolerate…improper behavior.” Their FBI exemplified it.
VII.
And that is a bitter irony for the republic. When Flynn was designated to become Trump’s national-security adviser, much of Washington remembered his angry speech the prior summer at the Republican convention when he had led the crowd in the chant of “lock her up” that so startled and upset Susan Rice. A line had been crossed in that episode: A retired three-star general and the candidate he was advising had chosen to treat their political opponent like a criminal.
Little did Flynn know that only five months later, that was exactly what the FBI and Justice Department would do to him.
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/eli-lake/michael-flynn-gets-railroaded-by-the-fbi/
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 10:08 AM
Not sure if he is lying but he was incorrect. Flynn asked them to respond proportionally to 35 expelled Russians, he didn't ask them to not respond to sanctions.
Mueller good now?
1. "The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
2. "The investigation examined whether [contacts between Russia and Trump figures] involved or resulted in coordination or a conspiracy with the Trump Campaign and Russia, including with respect to Russia providing assistance to the Campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. Based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination."
3. "The investigation did not establish that [Carter] Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 election."
4. "The Office did not identify evidence in those [contacts between Russians and people around Trump after the GOP convention] of coordination between the Campaign and the Russian government."
5. "The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort's sharing polling data and Russia's interference in the election ... [and] the investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts."
6. "The investigation did not establish that these [contacts between Russians and people around Trump during the transition] reflected or constituted coordination between the Trump Campaign and Russia in its election interference activities."
7. "The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the [Russian disinformation campaign]."
And I'm still waiting for you to show me where Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous and told he could not charge them with conspiracy. Chop chop!
example A of why i wont waste my time ^
i just showed you facts when you stupidly posted misinformation/propaganda that flynn never discussed sanctions
and you saw the facts- with your own eyes
and DISBELIEVED your own eyes.
Just a level of stupidity that is incomprehensible to any rational reasonable person.
Flynn sold out the usa- period. There is proof.
Flynn went behind the usa’s back/behind his own countrys back
WITH TRUMPs BLESSING
and told our enemy: “i know you attacked the usa- but you did it to help our traitor get elected- so dont worry about sanctions- we are on the same team now- just let trump get in office and we will make sure to get rid of these sanctions..
fuck the usa, fuck obama, fuck democracy- we are on YOUR side!”
and then trump confirmed it all @ Helsinki
you continue to defend this treasonous fuckery.
Why?
Why is russia your model of righteousness?
why are people who betray the usa the ones you defend 24/7?
why are you continuously clutching your pearls at the patriots who investigated these traitors selling out to russia- and did their job by exposing them?
you got your loyalties all fucked up because you are a prime idiot susceptible to brainwashing- first by russia
afterwards by russia’s witting or unwitting puppets.
ChumpDumper
05-22-2020, 10:09 AM
tl;dr
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 10:13 AM
:lol:lol
hiding all night after being exposed
then next day: “wall of propaganda text”
hahahahahahahaha!
was mueller lying?
still spewing garbage that flynn did NOT discuss sanctions?
lol comrade TSA
example A of why i wont waste my time ^
i just showed you facts when you stupidly posted misinformation/propaganda that flynn never discussed sanctions
and you saw the facts- with your own eyes
and DISBELIEVED your own eyes.
Just a level of stupidity that is incomprehensible to any rational reasonable person.
Flynn sold out the usa- period. There is proof.
Flynn went behind the usa’s back/behind his own countrys back
WITH TRUMPs BLESSING
and told our enemy: “i know you attacked the usa- but you did it to help our traitor get elected- so dont worry about sanctions- we are on the same team now- just let trump get in office and we will make sure to get rid of these sanctions..
fuck the usa, fuck obama, fuck democracy- we are on YOUR side!”
and then trump confirmed it all @ Helsinki
you continue to defend this treasonous fuckery.
Why?
Why is russia your model of righteousness?
why are people who betray the usa the ones you defend 24/7?
why are you continuously clutching your pearls at the patriots who investigated these traitors selling out to russia- and did their job by exposing them?
you got your loyalties all fucked up because you are a prime idiot susceptible to brainwashing- first by russia
afterwards by russia’s witting or unwitting puppets.
You keep saying you won't waste your time and then immediately use your time to meltdown :lol
Also, I'm still waiting for you to show me where Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous and told he could not charge them with conspiracy. Chop chop!
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 10:15 AM
Flynn didn’t discuss sanctions. I thought you read the Mueller report 5-6 times. :rollin
hahahahaha!
running from this *
https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/1263634381492629504
hahahahaha!
running from this *
The only one running from anything is you.
Show me where Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous and told he could not charge them with conspiracy...or keep running.
ChumpDumper
05-22-2020, 10:29 AM
https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/1263634381492629504
:lol Ari
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 10:31 AM
Lol moar propaganda!
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 10:38 AM
The only one running from anything is you.
Show me where Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous and told he could not charge them with conspiracy...or keep running.
lol
not running
just demonstrated facts to you
you DISBELIEVED your own eyes
not gonna spoon-feed your ignorant stupid ass
ill just dig up truth when i decide to embarrass you again
spurraider21
05-22-2020, 10:41 AM
You wouldn't understand as it's admittedly out of your domain.
So how is it that you understand?
lol
not running
just demonstrated facts to you
you DISBELIEVED your own eyes
not gonna spoon-feed your ignorant stupid ass
ill just dig up truth when i decide to embarrass you again
The only one embarrassing themselves is you. The only one running from anything is you. Watch you run from this.
Show me where Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous and told he could not charge them with conspiracy...or keep running.
So how is it that you understand?
It's in my wheelhouse.
boutons_deux
05-22-2020, 10:50 AM
Why have Trash and his mafiya lied, "forgotten", obstructed investigations for years into Trash and his mafiya's connections with Pootin?
After LYING about Mueller's report, Barr has ZERO...credibility
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 11:09 AM
The only one embarrassing themselves is you. The only one running from anything is you. Watch you run from this.
Show me where Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous and told he could not charge them with conspiracy...or keep running.
lol
read the Mueller report
you wont
lol
read the Mueller report
you wont
You claimed Mueller was tasked to investigate the conspiracy of Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Page, and Papadopolous but there was a mandate that said Mueller could not charge any of them with conspiracy.
That mandate doesn't exist in the Mueller report, in fact that mandate doesn't exist anywhere.
spurraider21
05-22-2020, 11:35 AM
It's in my wheelhouse.
how long have you practiced federal appellate law?
how long have you practiced federal appellate law?
You don’t need to practice law to recognize a judge getting his dick slapped.
ChumpDumper
05-22-2020, 12:45 PM
You don’t need to practice law to recognize a judge getting his dick slapped.Getting your dick slapped is your wheelhouse.
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 12:47 PM
Getting your dick slapped is your wheelhouse.
:lol:lol
comrade TSA
spurraider21
05-22-2020, 01:04 PM
You don’t need to practice law to recognize a judge getting his dick slapped.
what makes you think the judge got his dick slapped? because a party filed a writ?
has there been a ruling by the court of appeals that i missed?
ChumpDumper
05-22-2020, 01:07 PM
what makes you think the judge got his dick slapped? because a party filed a writ?
has there been a ruling by the court of appeals that i missed?
You haven't even touched another guy's dick. Leave it to the pros like me. Wheelhouse, bitch!
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 01:41 PM
TSA: “my wheelhouse is in pedo pizza dungeons, bitch!”
:lmao:lmao
Chris
05-22-2020, 02:12 PM
https://twitter.com/RepLeeZeldin/status/1263866395672154112?s=19
bingo!
ChumpDumper
05-22-2020, 02:17 PM
https://twitter.com/RepLeeZeldin/status/1263866395672154112?s=19
bingo!OK, let's read the Flynn and Trump call transcripts. Not memos.
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 02:18 PM
https://twitter.com/RepLeeZeldin/status/1263866395672154112?s=19
bingo!
trump and barr just succeeded in having the SCOTUS stop the Mueller report from being unredacted and given to Congress - who have secret clearance
but you dont clutch your pearlz for that do you?
hypocrite
ElNono
05-22-2020, 03:28 PM
Sullivan got his dick slapped...there’s nothing more to see.
I wouldn't call it that just yet. That would be the DC court directly shutting him down without his opinion, which they have authority to do.
Spurs Homer
05-22-2020, 05:10 PM
Chris Wray -
opening an internal investigation into the handling of the Flynn investigation...
lets see what comes out when a REPUTABLE investigation is conducted.
Be careful what you wish for - maybe Wray will allow the recording of the Flynn/Kislyak call to see the light of day and the world can hear what a piece of shit traitor Flynn is -
and why in the world BARR is trying to cover up for a traitor?
boutons_deux
05-22-2020, 05:18 PM
Lindsey Graham's latest effort to embarrass the Obama administration backfires spectacularly (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/21/1946672/-Republican-have-been-yelling-about-the-unmasking-of-Michael-Flynn-for-years-now-we-know-the-truth)
there’s a problem with Graham demanding that the FBI tell him who in the Obama administration ordered the unmasking of Flynn.
The problem is that Graham got an answer.
And the answer is: no one.
That’s because it never happened.
And that’s because Flynn’s name was never masked in the first place.
But there is something about Flynn that was covered up, and the facts behind that seem like a real scandal.
Flynn’s name in connection with his multiple calls to Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
These are the calls that Flynn first denied,
then lied about not just to the FBI,
but supposedly to Mike Pence.
They were at the core of both Flynn’s resignation and
the charges he is still facing in court,
no matter what William Barr and Donald Trump might wish.
what Grenell sent back was the news that the FBI never masked Flynn’s name.
It was always on the report,
because understanding who was talking to Kislyak “was essential to understanding its significance.”
There was no unmasking request, because there was no mask.
Records of Flynn’s interviews with the FBI show that he repeatedly lied,
not about the contents of the call,
but about his own coordination with Trump before and after that call.
Not only did Flynn lie directly to the FBI at least three times about his knowledge of sanctions,
he followed the call by requesting a written note directly intended to mask the importance of the conversation.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/21/1946672/-Republican-have-been-yelling-about-the-unmasking-of-Michael-Flynn-for-years-now-we-know-the-truth?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/5/21/1946672/-Republican-have-been-yelling-about-the-unmasking-of-Michael-Flynn-for-years-now-we-know-the-truth?detail=emaildkre)
boutons_deux
05-23-2020, 04:14 PM
Putin’s effort to undermine trust in science aids Trump and evangelicals’ COVID-19 malfeasance
Combined with Vladimir Putin’s crusade to undermine trust in science among Americans,
Trump’s efforts to sow suspicion of Federal health officials’ expertise is exacerbating the spread of COVID-19.
Subsequently, Americans are dying needlessly which is a value-added treat for Putin in his campaign to aid dirty Don’s reelection.
there is an alarming percentage of Americans who place their trust in dumb Don Trump (https://www.businessinsider.com/republicans-trust-trump-more-than-cdc-coronavirus-new-poll-shows-2020-3) and his acolytes sequestered in “camp runamuck” more than health experts;
because Trump’s supporters are as inherently stupid as they are religiously afflicted.
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decades-long effort (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/science/putin-russia-disinformation-health-coronavirus.html) to instill distrust of science in Americans with less intellect than an amoeba is aiding Trump for sure, but like Trump’s religious cult following,
a segment of the population typically eschews reality and facts regardless they are personally affected negatively.
Donald Trump did not create the level of stupid infecting America’s population,
but like his Republican facilitators in Congress and loyal evangelical clergy,
he is taking advantage of the imbecile class embracing idiocy and rejecting science.
Whether it is
opposing access to healthcare,
denying climate science,
antipathy to nutrition assistance,
rejecting sane gun safety measures, or
eliminating regulations banning toxic chemicals in the air and water,
there is a decidedly Republican sect ready and willing to embrace insane policies.
Donald Trump, like his Republican facilitators, understands the imbecile class of Americans
there are far too many Americans anxious to embrace truly insane conspiracy theories and advice from politicians lacking any expertise whatsoever on any issues.
because Trump contradicts his administration’s medical experts,
idiots are wantonly spreading the virus simply because they refuse to believe science and why should they?
no small number of voters supported each and every GOP candidate who claimed environmental scientists were lying to deny the farmers access to water.
Russian President Putin has sown distrust to undermine confidence in government.
Putin’s success at installing a con man like Trump in a leadership role to sow more distrust of any kind of expertise has aided Trump significantly.
Republican evangelical fanatics who trust Trump (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americans-see-months-long-pandemic-fight-ahead-cbs-news-poll/), as god’s anointed one, over medical and federal health professionals.
Trump is well aware that because his campaign and foreign policy advisor Vladimir Putin spent decades laying the foundation for American distrust of science and expertise
he can continue repeatedly spreading false and misleading information even as the coronavirus pandemic has escalated.
https://www.politicususa.com/2020/05/23/opinion-putins-effort-to-undermine-trust-in-science-aids-trump-and-evangelicals-covid-19-malfeasance.html (https://www.politicususa.com/2020/05/23/opinion-putins-effort-to-undermine-trust-in-science-aids-trump-and-evangelicals-covid-19-malfeasance.html)
boutons_deux
05-23-2020, 04:24 PM
Trash continues to collude with his puppetmeister Pootin, executing Pootin's geolpolitics of withdrawing America from international influence
Russians thrilled with Trump plan to pull out of Open Skies Treaty — and plan to take advantage of it
Russian media is thrilled by President Donald Trump’s decision to exit the Open Skies Treaty — and
that the president’s international saber-rattling could lead to them withdrawing from a key anti-nuclear weapon treaty.
“Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov mentioned that
the Kremlin’s exchanges with Washington were taking place via the traditional and non-traditional channels, :lol
but described the Trump administration’s demands and ultimatums as ‘senseless’ and ‘categorically unacceptable.'”
“Russian state-owned radio station Vesti FM described Trump’s dangerous flailing on the international arena as his desire ‘to play with toy soldiers,'”
Trump must really be taking the regimen of hydroxychloroquine, since it’s known to cause psychotic side effects” on Russia’s 60 Minutes.
Trump reportedly is also considering resuming nuclear weapons tests —
and that could cause Russia to escalate their defiance of international law even further.
Russia may pull out of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty altogether,”
such a withdrawal would be ‘beneficial for Russia, since the collapse of this treaty would cause colossal damage to the United States of America.’
State media outlet Vesti surmised that such a move would obliterate all of Washington’s efforts and decades-long investments in the nuclear ban treaty.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/russians-thrilled-with-trump-plan-to-withdraw-from-treaty-and-plan-to-take-advantage-of-it-report/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/russians-thrilled-with-trump-plan-to-withdraw-from-treaty-and-plan-to-take-advantage-of-it-report/)
Winehole23
05-24-2020, 07:30 AM
The US has the most to gain from Open Skies, seems like a sacrifice or self-wounding for the US to walk away from it.voluntarily.
boutons_deux
05-24-2020, 07:38 AM
The US has the most to gain from Open Skies, seems like a sacrifice or self-wounding for the US to walk away from it.voluntarily.
Pootin violates Open Skies,
colluding Trash punishes Pootin by withdrawing USA from Open Skies,
which is what the two colluders wanted,
implementing Pootin's geopolitical degradation of USA.
Trash International Hotel Moscow is looking more probable
Winehole23
05-24-2020, 07:39 AM
May not be be very long until we pretend to still be a signatory in good standing, when somebody else breaks the rules, kinda like how we're doing with the JCPOA right now.
Winehole23
05-24-2020, 07:40 AM
Pootin violates Open Skies,
colluding Trash punishes Pootin by pulling USA out Open Skies,
which is what the two colluders wanted,
implementing Pootin's geopolitical degradation of USA.
Trash International Hotel Moscow is looking more probableRussia is staying in the deal with the remaining signatories.
boutons_deux
05-24-2020, 07:46 AM
Russia is staying in the deal with the remaining signatories.
yep, as Pootin wanted, Russia's influence remains, increases, as Trash diminishes USA's influence.
Chris
05-24-2020, 05:32 PM
https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1264616940414406656?s=19
Says the convicted felon.
Chris
05-25-2020, 04:53 PM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1264911936015261700?s=19
TSA
Spurs Homer
05-25-2020, 06:35 PM
lol ^
only bad when Dems do that
everything is seen thru red vs blue -
instead of
FLYNN sold out the USA and is a traitor - but you dont care!
boutons_deux
05-25-2020, 06:47 PM
Russia is staying in the deal with the remaining signatories.
yep, Pootin dictates to Trash/Jared to withdraw, reducing USA's international engagements and influence.
Chris
05-26-2020, 10:36 PM
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1265460259675672577?s=19
Chris
05-27-2020, 12:14 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1265491633132523520?s=19
Chris
05-27-2020, 09:08 AM
https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1265639047768268802?s=19
Spurs Homer
05-27-2020, 10:40 AM
lol
throw spaghetti at the wall - and watch conspiratards lick the marinara off the wall
lol
throw spaghetti at the wall - and watch conspiratards lick the marinara off the wall
You’ve been doing this going on 4 years now in this thread :rollin
lol
throw spaghetti at the wall - and watch conspiratards lick the marinara off the wall
You’ve been doing this going on 4 years now in this thread :rollin
boutons_deux
05-27-2020, 11:15 AM
Trump Demands That Republican Convention Move from North Carolina to Moscow
https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5ece710664306205863966c3/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/boro-convention-moscow-cp.jpg
WASHINGTON —In an escalation of his spat with Roy Cooper, the Democratic governor of North Carolina, Donald Trump is demanding that the 2020 Republican National Convention relocate from Charlotte to Moscow.
“North Carolina has been difficult every step of the way, and
meanwhile Moscow has always been very helpful to me,”
Trump wrote, in one of a series of early-morning tweets.
Additionally, Trump argued, moving the R.N.C. to Moscow would save the Republicans millions in airfare.
“The most important people working on our 2020 campaign will already be there,”he tweeted.
Finally, he claimed, Moscow boasts far better accommodations than “that sad city of losers, Charlotte.”
“I have fantastic memories of the Moscow Ritz,” Trump wrote.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-demands-that-republican-convention-move-from-north-carolina-to-moscow (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-demands-that-republican-convention-move-from-north-carolina-to-moscow)
https://twitter.com/bhweingarten/status/1265620528523509760
https://twitter.com/sethjlevy/status/1265325386222755846
https://twitter.com/TheSharpEdge1/status/1265330676502429696
https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1265692950094381068
https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1265699999121317890
boutons_deux
05-27-2020, 12:55 PM
the declassifying by a Repug hack will be 100% selected to punish Trash's opponents
why are Trash/Barr hiding damn near everything
about Mueller report?
about Trash/Ukraine?
about Trash's health?
ElNono
05-27-2020, 05:24 PM
Wait, so the FBI is going to investigate the wrongdoer? Wasn't the FBI bad? Or is it good now?
boutons_deux
05-27-2020, 05:28 PM
Wait, so the FBI is going to investigate the wrongdoer? Wasn't the FBI bad? Or is it good now?
once it's run by a Trash political hack, FBI good
the shitbag TX new DNI guy has Z E R O intelligence experience, but he was huge look-at-me grandstander defending Trash in Congressional hearings.
He certainly won't be giving Trash any critical intelligence that would upset Trash
loyalty to Trash and Repugs is the only qualification
https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1265825832108535809
ChumpDumper
05-27-2020, 09:49 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1265825832108535809:lol Undercover Bash
boutons_deux
05-28-2020, 05:48 AM
Trash's Regime of BULLSHIT has unmasked more in 3 years, nearly 40,000, than Obama in 8.
Barr wants Repug opposition unmasked and Repugs kept masked, just as he won't prosecute Repug criminal insider trading, but does prosecute Trash's vendettas
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 04:39 PM
So how did the "transcript" of the Flynn-Kislyak call make it past the ODNI?
What's the calculation, how does this advance the White House narrative?
1266464786855985152
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 04:46 PM
So how did the "transcript" of the Flynn-Kislyak call make it past the ODNI?
What's the calculation, how does this advance the White House narrative?
1266464786855985152These...don't look all that great for Flynn.
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 05:14 PM
These...don't look all that great for Flynn.Putting the kibosh, perhaps, on Flynn's rumored post pardon return to government.
Chris
05-29-2020, 05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1266485384093020163?s=19
LMAO
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 05:40 PM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1266485384093020163?s=19
LMAODid you read the transcript?
ElNono
05-29-2020, 05:42 PM
Did you read the transcript?
what kind of question is that? :lol
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 05:44 PM
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1266485384093020163?s=19
LMAO
LMAO indeed
from the statement of the offense that Flynn pleaded guilty to:
https://i.gyazo.com/17d6008a63a015fa2c9c2126f4d43c8b.png
from the transcript
https://i.gyazo.com/ffb91383657f4739c8781dddfa08912f.png
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 05:45 PM
Did Flynn ask Russia' ambassador to refrain from escalating the situation in response to the sanctions imposed by the US?
According to the transcript: yes.
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 05:51 PM
Links to transcripts and supporting material here, TSA will yelp because it's Marcy Wheeler, but she is at least courteous enough to link the supporting material so you can decide for yourself.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/05/29/the-boss-is-aware-trump-learned-about-mike-flynns-conversations-with-sergey-kislyak-in-real-time/
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 05:53 PM
what kind of question is that? :lol
It was perfect. A perfect transcript.
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 05:57 PM
what kind of question is that? :lol
the mental gymnastics are what's really fascinating to me.
the government doesnt really seem to be denying at this point that flynn lied to them, just that they dont think they can prove it was material.
for whatever reason, Chris wants to take it to the next level and make the claim that Flynn never lied to investigators... which means either 1 of 2 things
1) Flynn didnt actually discuss sanctions with Kislyak, so telling the FBI the same was simply the truth
or
2) Flynn DID discuss sanctions with Kislyak, but he DID disclose that to the FBI
by posting the previous tweet with LMAO, Chris clearly adopts theory #1. but now that it's been pointed out to him that he did discuss sanctions, he's going to completely pivot to #2 which completely changes his story :lol
or he could just own that Flynn lied to the feds, but take the position that it was an improper questioning of him because there was no legitimate basis to do so, and therefore his lie wasn't material.
Did Flynn ask Russia' ambassador to refrain from escalating the situation in response to the sanctions imposed by the US?
According to the transcript: yes.
You either didn’t read or don’t understand the transcript you just posted :lol
Flynn never asked about not responding to the sanctions, Flynn was discussing the expelled Russians.
Did Flynn ask Russia' ambassador to refrain from escalating the situation in response to the sanctions imposed by the US?
According to the transcript: yes.
from the transcript
https://i.gyazo.com/ffb91383657f4739c8781dddfa08912f.png
:lol
Did Flynn ask Russia' ambassador to refrain from escalating the situation in response to the sanctions imposed by the US?
According to the transcript: yes.
Did you read the transcript?
:rollin
LMAO indeed
from the statement of the offense that Flynn pleaded guilty to:
https://i.gyazo.com/17d6008a63a015fa2c9c2126f4d43c8b.png
from the transcript
https://i.gyazo.com/ffb91383657f4739c8781dddfa08912f.png
Mueller/Van Grack lied in the statement of offense. Thanks for sharing.
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 06:19 PM
RIP RussiaGate
Spurs Homer
05-29-2020, 06:19 PM
These...don't look all that great for Flynn.
kislyak “they were after the president-elect also” or some words to that effect
flynn “yeah yeah i know”
fucking piece of shit idiot traitor throwing his own country under the bus to appease a russian
also kislyak must have asked at least half a dozen times for that “secure” channel
not TOO much collusion here eh TSA?
Chris
05-29-2020, 06:23 PM
:rollin
:lol
Spurs Homer
05-29-2020, 06:28 PM
Herr Schiff:
Here’s what the Flynn transcripts show: Gen. Flynn secretly discussed the U.S. response to Russia’s brazen election interference, and lied about it to the FBI and Vice President. No wonder Trump and his allies are trying to re-write history, Because the facts are so damning.
:lmao:lmao comrade TSA
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 06:36 PM
RIP RussiaGate
Did you read the transcript?
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 06:38 PM
Wait. Expelling diplomats isn't a sanction? Is that today's talking point?
Spurs Homer
05-29-2020, 06:41 PM
Wait. Expelling diplomats isn't a sanction? Is that today's talking point?
obama expelled them and placed sanctions for the cyber hack
flynn couldnt even hold his ground and at least push back on russias aggression
instead he swallowed kislyaks bait and immediately took russias side
disgraceful
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 06:44 PM
One can only imagine, had President-elect Obama combined with a foreign country to undermine the policy of the current US government in December of 2008, what self-dubbed forum he-men would have said.
https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1266485384093020163?s=19
LMAO
You either didn’t read or don’t understand the transcript you just posted :lol
Flynn never asked about not responding to the sanctions, Flynn was discussing the expelled Russians.
RIP RussiaGate
Expected response from the first shill responders.
the IQ between the 3 of you struggles to reach double digits.
Chris
05-29-2020, 06:51 PM
Herr Schiff
get your own shit
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 06:54 PM
You either didn’t read or don’t understand the transcript you just posted :lol
Flynn never asked about not responding to the sanctions, Flynn was discussing the expelled Russians.
the expelling of russian dipolmats wasn't part of the sanctions? really? :lol
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:11 PM
Did you read the transcript?
Every word. Huge non-burger
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:13 PM
Expected response from the first shill responders.
the IQ between the 3 of you struggles to reach double digits.
Post the part of the transcript that bothers you.
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:14 PM
Every word. Huge non-burger
1266481970885820423
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:17 PM
1266481970885820423
Post the part of the transcript that bothers you.
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:19 PM
Post the part of the transcript that bothers you.The part where he discusses the expulsion of diplomats with the Russian ambassador.
You know, the part he lied to the feds about.
And admitted lying about.
In court.
Twice.
lol Darrin
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 07:20 PM
Post the part of the transcript that bothers you.
i already did
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 07:27 PM
Is it a norm now that US foreign policy portfolios devolve to the President elect and his campaign staff pre-inauguration?
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:27 PM
The part where he discusses the expulsion of diplomats with the Russian ambassador.
You know, the part he lied to the feds about.
And admitted lying about.
In court.
Twice.
lol Darrin
He didn't want the Russians to escalate. Huge burger
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:29 PM
Is it a norm now that US foreign policy portfolios devolve to the President elect and his campaign staff pre-inauguration?
Lol, devolve
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:31 PM
You guys are being dishonest. The whole point of Flynn discussing sanctions was the implication that Trump admin would go easy, revoke them, etc.
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:37 PM
You guys are being dishonest. The whole point of Flynn discussing sanctions was the implication that Trump admin would go easy, revoke them, etc.What is your honest interpretation of what Flynn was doing on this call?
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:39 PM
What is your honest interpretation of what Flynn was doing on this call?
Seems like he was really focused on cooperation with Russia on solving problems in the ME.
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:40 PM
What is your honest interpretation of what Flynn was doing on this call?
What's your honest interpretation?
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:45 PM
Seems like he was really focused on cooperation with Russia on solving problems in the ME.So your claim is sanctions were not discussed at all?
Honestly?
the expelling of russian dipolmats wasn't part of the sanctions? really? :lol
Yes really.
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/cyber2_eo.pdf
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:47 PM
So your claim is sanctions were not discussed at all?
Honestly?
Not from any mention of revoking them. He didn't want them to escalate. Put him in jail.
Whole thing is stupid.
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:48 PM
Yes really.
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/cyber2_eo.pdf:lmao thinking Treasury would expel diplomats
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:49 PM
Not from any mention of revoking them. He didn't want them to escalate. Put him in jail.
Whole thing is stupid.He was stupid for doing it then lying to everyone about it.
Why would you want your National Security Adviser to lie to everyone about that, Darrin? Be honest.
Yes really.
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/cyber2_eo.pdf
This is what Mueller said Flynn lied about, Mueller lied.
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:53 PM
This is what Mueller said Flynn lied about, Mueller lied."...Escalating the situation caused by sanctions...."
Yep. Mueller didn't lie.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 07:53 PM
This is what Mueller said Flynn lied about, Mueller lied.
You mean, what Flynn said he lied about?
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 07:55 PM
You mean, what Flynn said he lied about?TSA says Flynn lied about what Flynn lied about.
You mean, what Flynn said he lied about?
Sanctions weren’t discussed. The document I just posted is literally what Mueller cited as Flynn lying about. It never happened. Mueller lied.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 07:55 PM
Haven't really followed, but whatever happened with the alleged 'dick slapping' from the appeals court? Did they shut down the case yet?
ElNono
05-29-2020, 07:55 PM
Sanctions weren’t discussed. The document I just posted is literally what Mueller cited as Flynn lying about. It never happened. Mueller lied.
But Flynn admitted to lying, twice. Was that what he admitted to lying about?
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 07:59 PM
After reading that transcript, there was definitely no reason for the FBI to give him a "visit".
If you disagree, please state why.
ChumpDumper
05-29-2020, 08:11 PM
After reading that transcript, there was definitely no reason for the FBI to give him a "visit".
If you disagree, please state why.He had already lied to Pence, who made that lie public.
Why do you think this is not a big deal for a National Security Adviser?
ElNono
05-29-2020, 08:14 PM
After reading that transcript, there was definitely no reason for the FBI to give him a "visit".
If you disagree, please state why.
I think both of these lines discuss sanctions:
Do not, do not uh, allow this administration to box us in, right now, okay?
I just wanted to tell you that we found that these actions have targeted not only against Russia, but also against the president elect.
Considering they came within 1-3 days right after the US applied sanctions to Russia.
The FBI was conducting an investigation on the Trump's campaign for collusion with Russia, so it makes sense they would ask for an explanation about that.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 08:15 PM
I agree it would likely have been a nothingburger if he didn't lie to the feds.
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 08:18 PM
:lol
https://i.gyazo.com/914823af5312cb355582b9786283fa46.png
:lol
https://i.gyazo.com/914823af5312cb355582b9786283fa46.png
Why do you keep posting Flynn talking about a reciprocal response to expelled Russians?
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 08:27 PM
Why do you keep posting Flynn talking about a reciprocal response to expelled Russians?
what about at the top where Kislyak mentions the GRU and FSB being sanctioned (part of the executive order you kindly linked for us)? how did Flynn respond?
I agree it would likely have been a nothingburger if he didn't lie to the feds.
:lol
what about at the top where Kislyak mentions the GRU and FSB being sanctioned (part of the executive order you kindly linked for us)? how did Flynn respond?
What about it? He doesn’t once say anything about not responding to sanctions as Mueller claimed. Flynn goes right back to discussing the expelled Russians. Exactly what he was talking before that you conveniently cropped out. Why did you crop out the top half of page 10 and not include the context of page 9?
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcript s%29.pdf
I think both of these lines discuss sanctions:
Do not, do not uh, allow this administration to box us in, right now, okay?
I just wanted to tell you that we found that these actions have targeted not only against Russia, but also against the president elect.
Considering they came within 1-3 days right after the US applied sanctions to Russia.
The FBI was conducting an investigation on the Trump's campaign for collusion with Russia, so it makes sense they would ask for an explanation about that.
Russians were expelled at the same time. Sanctions and explosions were two separate issues by two different departments. Mueller lied.
“I have issued an executive order that provides additional authority for responding to certain cyber activity that seeks to interfere with or undermine our election processes and institutions, or those of our allies or partners. Using this new authority, I have sanctioned nine entities and individuals: the GRU and the FSB, two Russian intelligence services; four individual officers of the GRU; and three companies that provided material support to the GRU’s cyber operations. In addition, the Secretary of the Treasury is designating two Russian individuals for using cyber-enabled means to cause misappropriation of funds and personal identifying information. The State Department is also shutting down two Russian compounds, in Maryland and New York, used by Russian personnel for intelligence-related purposes, and is declaring “persona non grata” 35 Russian intelligence operatives. Finally, the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are releasing declassified technical information on Russian civilian and military intelligence service cyber activity, to help network defenders in the United States and abroad identify, detect, and disrupt Russia’s global campaign of malicious cyber activities.”
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/12/29/statement-president-actions-response-russian-malicious-cyber-activity
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 09:38 PM
TSA DarrinS Chris:
Why did Flynn just get thrown under the bus?
Who do you think did him this way?
Spurs Homer
05-29-2020, 09:47 PM
What's your honest interpretation?
Undermining the US.
Russia had cyberattacked the US. US president imposed sanctions.
Flynn- NEVER once held the Russian to account. nEVeR - took a stand for the US- and instead
tried to appease the enemy foreign govt - and even agree with them when the sly Russian accused the US president of going after Trump- which was a classic Russian ploy and which no respectable US representative would have ever fallen for.
Even if flynn, trump and his treasonous scum administration HATED the US president-
they would have never shown such disgraceful treasonous behavior. The Russians would have at least respected the pushback and the loyalty to America.
Instead - the russians KNEW they had trump team COMPROMISED.
but all of that is only valid - IF Trump team was actually playing on America’s side.
They never were. They work for Russia and so do you.
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 09:56 PM
What about it? He doesn’t once say anything about not responding to sanctions as Mueller claimed. Flynn goes right back to discussing the expelled Russians. Exactly what he was talking before that you conveniently cropped out. Why did you crop out the top half of page 10 and not include the context of page 9?
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcript s%29.pdf
Kislyak specifically mentioned sanctions. Flynn’s next response is to keep it reciprocal. He then goes on to make the same point about expelling diplomats as an example. But kislyak specifically brought up the sanctions there, separate from the diplomats.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 09:57 PM
Russians were expelled at the same time. Sanctions and explosions were two separate issues by two different departments.
That's your opinion, which clearly I do not share. Nor Flynn, seeing he admitted to lying about the thing you say he didn't lie about.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 09:59 PM
They work for Russia and so do you.
Well, TSA did get caught already pimping Russia's propaganda, so we knew that already...
Spurs Homer
05-29-2020, 10:03 PM
Well, TSA did get caught already pimping Russia's propaganda, so we knew that already...
its not hyperbole
there is an entire wing of the country who continuallly misinform and spread propaganda - which is exactly what trump and russia approve of and which casts doubt on truth
why claim to be american and work 24/7 to undermine it?
That's your opinion, which clearly I do not share. Nor Flynn, seeing he admitted to lying about the thing you say he didn't lie about.
Sanctions and expulsions being two different things are not an opinion as clearly stated by Obama.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 10:12 PM
Sanctions and expulsions being two different things are not an opinion as clearly stated by Obama.
Looks like there's a disconnect here. I never said they're not two different things.
I simply, clearly said he was discussing sanctions. And I mean it's clear, because he admitted to lying exactly about that.
There's no scenario here where he didn't lie to the feds, which is what he was tried on, and admitted guilt to.
Kislyak specifically mentioned sanctions. Flynn’s next response is to keep it reciprocal. He then goes on to make the same point about expelling diplomats as an example. But kislyak specifically brought up the sanctions there, separate from the diplomats.
Kislyak mentions sanctions in relation to Russia and the US cooperating in the Middle East to fight terrorism. Flynn next response is nothing about responding reciprocally and just says yeah yeah. Flynn immediately goes back to Russia’s response the expelled Russians, exactly what he was talking about previously.
When Flynn was discussing reciprocating he was discussing the expelled diplomats every single time. You’re being as dishonest as Mueller/Van Grack. Pathetic.
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 10:15 PM
Lol, devolveBad word choice?
Would you have preferred the colloquial "falls to"?
ElNono
05-29-2020, 10:16 PM
Kislyak mentions sanctions in relation to Russia and the US cooperating in the Middle East to fight terrorism. Flynn next response is nothing about responding reciprocally and just says yeah yeah. Flynn immediately goes back to Russia’s response the expelled Russians, exactly what he was talking about previously.
When Flynn was discussing reciprocating he was discussing the expelled diplomats every single time. You’re being as dishonest as Mueller/Van Grack. Pathetic.
So everybody got it wrong, but trumptards?
You know, the case wasn't dismissed by the DOJ because they thought the charge was misleading, right?
ElNono
05-29-2020, 10:17 PM
Bad word choice?
Would you have preferred the colloquial "falls to"?
stop using big words!
Looks like there's a disconnect here. I never said they're not two different things.
I simply, clearly said he was discussing sanctions. And I mean it's clear, because he admitted to lying exactly about that.
There's no scenario here where he didn't lie to the feds, which is what he was tried on, and admitted guilt to.
https://i.gyazo.com/17d6008a63a015fa2c9c2126f4d43c8b.png
Point me to the exact place where Flynn asked Kisylak to refrain from escalating the situation in response the the sanctions the US imposed. Here’s the transcript if you need help. Best of luck.
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcript s%29.pdf
ElNono
05-29-2020, 10:19 PM
Point me to the exact place where Flynn asked Kisylak to refrain from escalating the situation in response the the sanctions the US imposed. Here’s the transcript if you need help. Best of luck.
https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05-29%20ODNI%20to%20CEG%20RHJ%20%28Flynn%20Transcript s%29.pdf
Already posted:
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266387&p=10157287&viewfull=1#post10157287
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 10:28 PM
stop using big words!
Devolve is no bigger than involve or revolve. It is only one letter longer than evolve.
spurraider21
05-29-2020, 10:42 PM
this is an incredible nitpick tbh :lol
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 10:43 PM
stop using big words!
It wasn't the size of the word, but the meaning
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 10:51 PM
this is an incredible nitpick tbh :lol
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Winehole23
05-29-2020, 10:52 PM
It wasn't the size of the word, but the meaning
Ok, I'm open to criticism.
Did I misuse it?
Spurtacular
05-29-2020, 10:54 PM
Well, TSA did get caught already pimping Russia's propaganda, so we knew that already...
:cry The Russians :cry
:lol #AlwaysWithHer
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 10:58 PM
Ok, I'm open to criticism.
Did I misuse it?
Flynn was incoming NSA, not some lower level of authority.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 10:58 PM
this is an incredible nitpick tbh :lol
I have zero issues with Flynn, tbh, and I figured he would be pardoned anyways, but it's extremely difficult to walk back a guilty plea, not once, but twice.
It's not like he didn't know what he was being charged with, etc. All he had to do was not lie.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 11:00 PM
:cry The Russians :cry
:lol #AlwaysWithHer
Not sure what you're babbling about, but he was pimping Guccifer 2.0 propaganda, which turns out was a persona operated by GRU.
Winehole23
05-29-2020, 11:00 PM
Flynn was incoming NSA, not some lower level of authority.Trump wasn't POTUS yet. Nobody was clothed with official power.
The levels of entitlement and presumption here are off the top of the chart.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 11:03 PM
Flynn was incoming NSA, not some lower level of authority.
What's mind boggling is a person that was going to be put in charge of such powers didn't know lying to federal agents was a crime.
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 11:03 PM
Trump wasn't POTUS yet. Nobody was clothed with official power.
The levels of entitlement and presumption here are off the top of the chart.
:lol
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 11:07 PM
What's mind boggling is a person that was going to be put in charge of such powers didn't know lying to federal agents was a crime.
"What is our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"
DarrinS
05-29-2020, 11:07 PM
I'm done with this.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 11:09 PM
"What is our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?"
What you're saying is he shouldn't have lied. I agree.
Not sure what you're babbling about, but he was pimping Guccifer 2.0 propaganda, which turns out was a persona operated by GRU.
Now do those who pimped the Steele dossier which turned out to be Russian propaganda and was spread on an entirely larger scale.
pgardn
05-29-2020, 11:23 PM
Now do those who pimped the Steele dossier which turned out to be Russian propaganda and was spread on an entirely larger scale.
K
Who was prosecuted and then lied twice because the Steele dossier implicated them so it got sent to a grand jury?
ElNono
05-29-2020, 11:43 PM
Now do those who pimped the Steele dossier which turned out to be Russian propaganda and was spread on an entirely larger scale.
I certainly didn't pimp it, but I've yet to hear the allegation that it was Russian propaganda. What's the conspiracy there?
Spurtacular
05-29-2020, 11:52 PM
Not sure what you're babbling about, but he was pimping Guccifer 2.0 propaganda, which turns out was a persona operated by GRU.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
ElNono
05-29-2020, 11:56 PM
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
Not really no. It was part of Mueller's report.
Spurtacular
05-29-2020, 11:58 PM
Not really no. It was part of Mueller's report.
The report that put an exclamation point on the Russian hoax. :lol
ElNono
05-30-2020, 12:00 AM
The report that put an exclamation point on the Russian hoax. :lol
I never disputed the report findings, are you going to dispute them now?
Here:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/the-mueller-indictment-and-guccifer-2-0-what-we-now-know.html
ElNono
05-30-2020, 12:04 AM
It's not an indictment on TSA, it's just sad people keep falling for this stuff.
I certainly didn't pimp it, but I've yet to hear the allegation that it was Russian propaganda. What's the conspiracy there?
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-suspected-steele-dossier-claims-were-russian-disinformation/
It's not an indictment on TSA, it's just sad people keep falling for this stuff.
Now do everyone who fell for the Steele dossier
I never disputed the report findings, are you going to dispute them now?
Here:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/the-mueller-indictment-and-guccifer-2-0-what-we-now-know.html
:lol crowdstrike
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_h ack_of_dnc_123596.html
ElNono
05-30-2020, 01:29 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-suspected-steele-dossier-claims-were-russian-disinformation/
That's not what the footnote says, nor the article. The article says the FBI suspected the report was russian propaganda. The footnote actually says the FBI suspected a subset of the report was Russian propaganda.
Now do everyone who fell for the Steele dossier
Applies there too, at least the part deemed Russian propaganda. Sure.
ElNono
05-30-2020, 01:36 AM
:lol crowdstrike
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/05/13/hidden_over_2_years_dem_cyber-firms_sworn_testimony_it_had_no_proof_of_russian_h ack_of_dnc_123596.html
Trump's DOJ indicted the 12 Russians running that account. Are you saying the administration is lying?
Spurtacular
05-30-2020, 02:17 AM
I never disputed the report findings, are you going to dispute them now?
Here:
https://slate.com/technology/2018/07/the-mueller-indictment-and-guccifer-2-0-what-we-now-know.html
Dog n' pony show. Democrats wasting taxpayer money.
ElNono
05-30-2020, 07:31 AM
Dog n' pony show. Democrats wasting taxpayer money.
ok, I guess that means you're not disputing the report. :tu
Spurtacular
05-30-2020, 07:48 AM
ok, I guess that means you're not disputing the report. :tu
Tell us in your own words what you think the Russians did that's so bad.
Spurs Homer
05-30-2020, 09:15 AM
No one - I mean NO ONE seems to be bothered that Flynn- NEVER ONCE - brought up RUSSIA’S cyber-attack on our election! WHY??? Only one of two reasons- (1) because Flynn does not care about the USA getting attacked? Or (2) - because both Flynn AND Russia- both KNEW that the cyber-attack was and had already been planned and executed by both Russia and the trump team traitors. Neither of those two reasons are acceptable to REAL AMERICANS!!!
pgardn
05-30-2020, 09:17 AM
The report that put an exclamation point on the Russian hoax. :lol
The Mueller report found extensive Russian interference in our elections.
do you believe this part of the report?
pgardn
05-30-2020, 09:19 AM
Tell us in your own words what you think the Russians did that's so bad.
their leader and intelligence agencies led an effort to create discord and to actively engage in interfering in our elections. Do you think this is OK?
Spurminator
05-30-2020, 09:20 AM
Wrong thread
Spurtacular
05-30-2020, 09:29 AM
The Mueller report found extensive Russian interference in our elections.
do you believe this part of the report?
Extensive how?
pgardn
05-30-2020, 09:35 AM
Extensive how?
planting organizers at trump rallies
bombing social websites
hacking into financial systems
it’s a very large list you don’t want to keep up with it
And then basically letting our intelligent services know what they had done as an in your face because they finally understood the orange guy and his followers like you would not care
and I would think you would’ve read something about the Mueller report because you commented on it all the time
but you have not...
Spurtacular
05-30-2020, 09:43 AM
planting organizers at trump rallies
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