Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[TSA]

FISA? :lol

Repug House just approved wiretapping of Americans w/o warrant

Read the bill dipshit. With as many amendments added it’s almost as if there was no 702 oversight to begin with.

https://www.congress.gov/115/bills/hr4478/BILLS-115hr4478ih.pdf

[TSA]

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/253004/fusion-gps-donald-trump

The Unraveling

[Chris]

Putin the puppet master pulling the strings. Lordy I hope there are tapes!

[Spurminator]

I finally found a story that an alternate universe left-wing version of Chris would post.

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[Chris]

Moby :lmao



























































































































































:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Splits]

Moby :lmao


I bet that's all over your twitter feed, you're just too pussy to admit it.

[Mark Celibate]

What’s the over/under on when random guy will let go of the fake Russian narrative? Will it be before or after trumps presidency ends?

[Spurminator]

:worthy: Moby :worthy:

[Chris]

I bet that's all over your twitter feed, you're just too pussy to admit it.

I bought a couple albums in the early 2000's tbh pretty weak shit compared to Oakenfold/Sasha/Underworld. Started writing music for car commercials instead of the fans, turned into a Liberal faggot.

[Chris]

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Comey-Comey-Comey-Comey-Comey-Comey-Comey Chameleon

[Pavlov]

lol funkytown

[djohn2oo8]

lol funkytown

:lmao

[TSA]

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[Isitjustme?]

Moby :lmao



























































































































































:lmao :lmao :lmao

I mean he's no James Woods

[TSA]

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Media is focused on Stormy Daniels while congress gets a three day weekend to go through OIG documents.

[Chris]

BOMBSHELL: Chairman Nunes Has Seen Clear Evidence of FISA ‘Abuse’ by FBI and DOJ Officials


Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) told fellow Republicans in closed-door meetings this week he has seen evidence that shows clear “abuse” of government surveillance programs by FBI and DOJ officials, Fox News reported.



Fox News reported:

House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes told Republican colleagues in two closed-door meetings this week he has seen evidence that shows clear “abuse” of government surveillance programs by FBI and Justice Department officials, according to three sources familiar with the conversations, raising more questions about whether the controversial anti-Trump dossier was used by the Obama administration to authorize surveillance of advisers to President Trump.

The California Republican made his comments in private meetings with GOP colleagues as he tried to round up votes in favor of renewing a key section of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, known as Section 702, which eventually passed in the House on Thursday.

Before the vote, Nunes told GOP lawmakers they could trust him that he has not seen abuse of that section of the law dealing with foreigners, but that other sections of the law have in fact been misused by government officials to conduct surveillance of Americans. Nunes vowed that he plans to address his concerns by trying to share the evidence with the entire House later this month, after the debate over Section 702 is complete, according to the three sources familiar with the conversations.

Nunes also said he would “read all 435 members of Congress into major abuses with other areas of FISA and will read members in ASAP” according to Fox News.

It was first reported by The Daily Caller that the House Intel Committee received all docs requested on the Russia dossier from the DOJ and FBI Monday.

According to the Daily Caller, Nunes and the House Intel Committee reviewed all FBI and DOJ docs on the dossier including the FISA apps.

Both Sara Carter and Sean Hannity reported this week Hillary’s phony Russia dossier was used to obtain a FISA warrant in order to spy on Trump’s campaign.

Sara Carter reported:

Multiple sources told this reporter that the dossier was used along with other evidence to obtain the warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as FISC. The sources also stressed that there will be more information in the coming week regarding systemic “FISA abuse.”

Fox News’ Sean Hannity also reported that three separate sources confirmed to him the Russia dossier was used to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trump’s camp.

One very senior source said the dossier played “a significant role” in obtaining the warrant Hannity said on his radio show Wednesday.

Neither Sean Hannity nor Sara Carter disclosed their sources, however; it appears Chairman Nunes may be the ‘senior source’ they were referring to given he’s a top ranking member of the House Intel Committee.

In a bold move last week, Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) called for the declassification of all docs related to the Russia dossier.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/bombshell-chairman-nunes-seen-clear-evidence-fisa-abuse-fbi-doj-officials/

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[TSA]

BOMBSHELL: Chairman Nunes Has Seen Clear Evidence of FISA ‘Abuse’ by FBI and DOJ Officials


Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) told fellow Republicans in closed-door meetings this week he has seen evidence that shows clear “abuse” of government surveillance programs by FBI and DOJ officials, Fox News reported.




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[Chris]

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:lol

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao TrumpSoldier. This nigga isn't even following real names anymore.

[TSA]

:lmao TrumpSoldier. This nigga isn't even following real names anymore.

I figured the name would draw some laughs. The content of the thread is informative.

[boutons_deux]

Nunes is a feckless little prick, thinking he can shut down Mueller or defeat the IC single-handed

[TSA]

Nunes is a feckless little prick, thinking he can shut down Mueller or defeat the IC single-handed

single handed

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_S._Rogers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Sessions

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_A._Wray

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Mattis

https://oig.justice.gov/about/meet-ig.htm

https://oig.hhs.gov/reports-and-publications/budget/index.asp


Patriots

[boutons_deux]

...

[Pavlov]

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Media is focused on Stormy Daniels while congress gets a three day weekend to go through OIG documents.Yeah, every member of Congress will be poring over those documents over the holiday.

[Chris]

Lawdy lawd!



BREAKING: Indictment Handed Out In Russian Bribery Case Involving Uranium One, Hillary Clinton




An 11-count indictment was handed out on Friday connected to the alleged Russian bribery scheme involving former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, and Uranium One.

The charges are against Mark Lambert, who is the "former co-president of a Maryland-based transportation company that provides services for the transportation of nuclear materials to customers in the United States and abroad." Lambert 54, of Maryland, was charged with "one count of conspiracy to violate the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA) and to commit wire fraud, seven counts of violating the FCPA, two counts of wire fraud and one count of international promotion money laundering," the DOJ said in a statement.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/25828/breaking-indictment-handed-out-russian-bribery-ryan-saavedra

[Chris]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/fcdb887a03ee7a7cd6557acfefb3867c/tenor.gif?itemid=6151965

[Chris]

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https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/3/13/23/anigif_enhanced-buzz-3866-1363231526-2.gif

[Pavlov]

Lawdy lawd!



BREAKING: Indictment Handed Out In Russian Bribery Case Involving Uranium One, Hillary Clinton

How does this lead to Clinton's imprisonment, Chris?

[djohn2oo8]

How does this lead to Clinton's imprisonment, Chris?

He doesn't want to see what I'm about to post. But it is worse for Flynn and Jr.

[Pavlov]

He doesn't want to see what I'm about to post. But it is worse for Flynn and Jr.:lol he and TSA got excited just because it had the tag "Uranium One."

[djohn2oo8]

:lol he and TSA got excited just because it had the tag "Uranium One."

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Pavlov]

952026936024453121In short -- Hillary is going to prison!

[djohn2oo8]

In short -- Hillary is going to prison!

While these are federal crimes in which Trump can pardon, Maryland AG and other state AGs will bring other charges.

[TSA]

:lmao TrumpSoldier. This nigga isn't even following real names anymore.

:lmao Tweetheart

[TSA]

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:lmao

[TSA]

:lol he and TSA got excited just because it had the tag "Uranium One."

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[Pavlov]

OK, TSA -- you explain yesterday's arrest in the context of your conspiracy theory -- or is sundance taking the weekend off?

[TSA]

OK, TSA -- you explain yesterday's arrest in the context of your conspiracy theory -- or is sundance taking the weekend off?

:lmao no thanks I’m just here to laugh at you and Tea Pain :lmao

[Reck]

Chris is a hit and runner. :lol

Dumps his retarded explosive claims and never bothers to back them up when asked questions.

That's why TSA is alright in my book. Equal ridiculous claims that never come to fruition but at least he engages in conversation. :tu

[Pavlov]

:lmao no thanks I’m just here to laugh at you and Tea Pain :lmao:lol you're the one who posted the arrest -- now you're terrified to discuss it.

As usual.

[Pavlov]

Chris is a hit and runner. :lol

Dumps his retarded explosive claims and never bothers to back them up when asked questions.

That's why TSA is alright in my book. Equal ridiculous claims that never come to fruition but at least he engages in conversation. :tu


no thanks:lmao

[TSA]

:lol you're the one who posted the arrest -- now you're terrified to discuss it.

As usual.

:lmao too hard to discuss the arrest when laughing at you hooking your cart to djohn and Tea Pain :lmao

[Pavlov]

:lmao too hard to discuss the arrest when laughing at you hooking your cart to djohn and Tea Pain :lmaoAnd just how did I do that, TSA?

Be specific.

And tell us how the arrest fits in to your conspiracy theory. You usually can't shut up about it. Why so afraid?

[TSA]

:lol you're the one who posted the arrest -- now you're terrified to discuss it.

As usual.

Go bump the thread I actually posted the arrest in if you want to discuss it. In this thread we get to discuss your Tea Pain theory :lmao

Explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016?

[djohn2oo8]

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[Pavlov]

Go bump the thread I actually posted the arrest in if you want to discuss it. In this thread we get to discuss your Tea Pain theory :lmaoMine?

:lmao

Explain how it's my theory, TSA.

Be specific.

[djohn2oo8]

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[TSA]

And just how did I do that, TSA?

Be specific.

And tell us how the arrest fits in to your conspiracy theory. You usually can't shut up about it. Why so afraid?

I must have mistaken your laughing along with him and never once calling out the stupidity of it while immediately asking me to support something I posted in a different thread as you supporting the Tea Pain theory.

[TSA]

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:lmao

[Pavlov]

I must have mistaken your laughing along with him and never once calling out the stupidity of it while immediately asking me to support something I posted in a different thread as you supporting the Tea Pain theory.I know how the arrest fits into his conspiracy theory.

You refuse to explain how it fits into yours.

He is not a pussy.

You are a pussy.

[TSA]

I know how the arrest fits into his conspiracy theory.

You refuse to explain how it fits into yours.

He is not a pussy.

You are a pussy.

Explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016?

[Pavlov]

Explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016?:lmao you're trying to make this my theory.

It is not my theory.

Now, how does that arrest fit in your conspiracy theory?

I asked you here and when you stalled I asked you in the Uranium One thread.

So just answer a straightforward question for once.

[TSA]

:lmao you're trying to make this my theory.

It is not my theory.

Now, how does that arrest fit in your conspiracy theory?

I asked you here and when you stalled I asked you in the Uranium One thread.

So just answer a straightforward question for once.

I will respond to the arrest in the proper thread. You said you understand how it fits into djohns conspiracy, so explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016?

[Pavlov]

I will respond to the arrest in the proper thread.When? Next week? After sundance posts something? What's the holdup?


You said you understand how it fits into djohns conspiracy, so explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016?:lmao You're still trying to make it my conspiracy theory.

It is not my conspiracy theory.

Try again.

[TSA]

When? Next week? After sundance posts something? What's the holdup?

:lmao You're still trying to make it my conspiracy theory.

It is not my conspiracy theory.

Try again.

You can’t discuss something unless it’s “your” conspiracy theory?

In Tea Pain’s conspiracy theory, explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016.

[Pavlov]

You can’t discuss something unless it’s “your” conspiracy theory?It's not my practice to represent a theory that is not mine when the person who posted it is still in this thread, TSA.

You fucked up thinking it was my theory. Don't double down.

[TSA]

It's not my practice to represent a theory that is not mine when the person who posted it is still in this thread, TSA.

You fucked up thinking it was my theory. Don't double down.

Tea Pain isn’t in this thread your pussy excuse doesn’t cut it.

In Tea Pain’s conspiracy theory, explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016.

[Pavlov]

Tea Pain isn’t in this thread your pussy excuse doesn’t cut it.

In Tea Pain’s conspiracy theory, explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016.:lmao you're saying TPain posts on SpursTalk!

You're totally losing it.

[TSA]

You’re embarrassing yourself

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao you're saying TPain posts on SpursTalk!

You're totally losing it.

Lordy!

[Pavlov]

You’re embarrassing yourselfYou already did thinking it was my conspiracy theory -- now you're just tripling down on it demanding I explain it when the person who posted it just mocked you too.

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

You already did thinking it was my conspiracy theory -- now you're just tripling down on it demanding I explain it when the person who posted it just mocked you too.

:lol

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Uranium one blowing up in his face

[TSA]

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Uranium one blowing up in his face

:lmao

explain how Mike Flynn was involved in all of this with Rosatom yet Obama still signed off on his full natsec clearance in 2016.

[djohn2oo8]

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[TSA]

You already did thinking it was my conspiracy theory -- now you're just tripling down on it demanding I explain it when the person who posted it just mocked you too.

:lol

I wasn’t aware posters could not discuss theories posted by other members.

Sticking to these new guidelines I’ll only ask you to discuss things I’ve personally posted.

“FBI gave raw Section 702–acquired information to a private entity that was not a federal agency and whose personnel were not sufficiently supervised by a federal agency for compliance minimization procedures.”-pg 83

https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies

If you had to take a guess looking at the dates provided which private entity do you think the FISC named as having access to raw section 702 with no oversight?

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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Flynn! lordy!

[TSA]

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Flynn! lordy!

Congrats on finding your 2018 Louise Mensch

[Pavlov]

I wasn’t aware posters could not discuss theories posted by other members.

Sticking to these new guidelines I’ll only ask you to discuss things I’ve personally posted.That wasn't what I said, but damn you're really whining hard today.

Why didn't you just ask djohn about what he posted? Would've saved you a lot of embarrassment.


“FBI gave raw Section 702–acquired information to a private entity that was not a federal agency and whose personnel were not sufficiently supervised by a federal agency for compliance minimization procedures.”-pg 83

https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies

If you had to take a guess looking at the dates provided which private entity do you think the FISC named as having access to raw section 702 with no oversight?Dunno. I don't see the need to speculate. If you want to spread some innuendo about Fusion GPS, you already did that.

[djohn2oo8]

Congrats on finding your 2018 Louise Mensch

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[Pavlov]

As for the Siegalman conspiracy theory, I suppose it's easy to pile on Flynn because he was convicted of lying to the FBI and worked as a foreign agent without registering as one.

He is proved to be a criminal liar, so thinking he lied in the past isn't that much of a stretch tbh.

[TSA]

That wasn't what I said, but damn you're really whining hard today.

Why didn't you just ask djohn about what he posted? Would've saved you a lot of embarrassment.

Dunno. I don't see the need to speculate. If you want to spread some innuendo about Fusion GPS, you already did that. :lol


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[djohn2oo8]

As for the Siegalman conspiracy theory, I suppose it's easy to pile on Flynn because he was convicted of lying to the FBI and worked as a foreign agent without registering as one.

He is proved to be a criminal liar, so thinking he lied in the past isn't that much of a stretch tbh.

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[djohn2oo8]

Pisser is melting down hard.

[Pavlov]

:lolThe thing is you speculate all the time and are wrong most of the time.

That's why I encourage it from you.

:lol

[Pavlov]

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Flynn has done alot of shit that he may still be charged with.Two ranking House Democrats said in September that Mr. Flynn appeared to violate federal law by failing to disclose details of his work for the firms on his security-clearance interview and renewal application in 2016.


I'm going to speculate that he did this intentionally to get caught, prosecuted and convicted so Clinton will go to prison.

[Chris]

"I don't see the need to speculate"

"Give us your theory or you are a pussy!"

Pav dropping the bomb on himself :lol

[Pavlov]

"I don't see the need to speculate"

"Give us your theory or you are a pussy!"

Pav dropping the bomb on himself :lolI didn't feel the need to speculate on that matter.

I did speculate on Mike Flynn's lying.

I just have better judgment than TSA.

[djohn2oo8]

Two ranking House Democrats said in September that Mr. Flynn appeared to violate federal law by failing to disclose details of his work for the firms on his security-clearance interview and renewal application in 2016.


I'm going to speculate that he did this intentionally to get caught, prosecuted and convicted so Clinton will go to prison.

:lmao

[Chris]

I didn't feel the need to speculate on that matter.

I did speculate on Mike Flynn's lying.

I just have better judgment than TSA.

Glad we got that sorted out. Legally speaking and all.

[Pavlov]

Glad we got that sorted out. Legally speaking and all.Legally?

What are you talking about?

Explain.

[djohn2oo8]

Legally?

What are you talking about?

Explain.

That was odd.

[Chris]

Legally?

What are you talking about?

Explain.

You're such a faggot.


You think Oprah has the power to fight Weinstein's crimes in particular. Legally speaking, I do not -- so you're going to have to back up your claim.

Can't tell if you're playing dumb to save face or really are that dumb. Maybe you didn't feel the need to speculate on that matter.

[Pavlov]

You're such a faggot.:lol lashing out.


Can't tell if you're playing dumb to save face or really are that dumb. Maybe you didn't feel the need to speculate on that matter.What does Oprah have to do with this thread, Chris?

[Chris]

"When Obama was in charge they used the intelligence community and law enforcement as a weapon to target people they politically disagreed with.”


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[Pavlov]

"When Obama was in charge they used the intelligence community and law enforcement as a weapon to target people they politically disagreed with.”


952210942590373890:lol why is he not working for Trump anymore?

[TSA]

Nunes charges 'abuse' of government surveillance by FBI and Justice officials
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/12/nunes-charges-abuse-government-surveillance-by-fbi-and-justice-officials.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Pavlov care to speculate on what type of abuse he saw in the documents handed over by the OIG?

[Pavlov]

Nunes charges 'abuse' of government surveillance by FBI and Justice officials
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/12/nunes-charges-abuse-government-surveillance-by-fbi-and-justice-officials.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Pavlov care to speculate on what type of abuse he saw in the documents handed over by the OIG?Sure.

Probably not much.

It's Nunes, after all.

[TSA]

:lol why is he not working for Trump anymore?

What does his employment status have to do with his claim?

[Pavlov]

What does his employment status have to do with his claim?His former employment has everything to do with his claim tbh.

[TSA]

Sure.

Probably not much.

It's Nunes, after all.

Would this be the same “probably not much” that Adm. Mike Rogers called for a 702 audit on?

[TSA]

The shilling in this thread next week is going to be amazing

[Pavlov]

Would this be the same “probably not much” that Adm. Mike Rogers called for a 702 audit on?I don't know, this is your conspiracy theory, TSA. I don't know why you don't just say what it is.

What are you afraid of?

[Pavlov]

The shilling in this thread next week is going to be amazing:lol Once again you think our hearts will break if some FBI agents did bad things or if Fusion GPS acts more in the interests of Russia than anything. You've been so vague that practically any revelation from the OIG will be your great triumph. Just like #pizzagate. Jared Fogle gets arrested and all the sudden all your Podesta posts are justified in your mind.

[Chris]

The shilling in this thread next week is going to be amazing

Kyle Griffin has his first drafts ready and loaded for bear :lol

[Chris]

What does his employment status have to do with his claim?


His former employment has everything to do with his claim tbh.

Typical Pav 'non-answer' :lol :jack

[Pavlov]

Typical Pav 'non-answer' :lol :jackMan, every post of mine has triggered Chris today.

[djohn2oo8]

Kyle Griffin has his first drafts ready and loaded for bear :lol

What have you been right about so far?

[Chris]

What have you been right about so far?

Living vicariously through Kyle Griffin's tweets. Big Dog was right :lol

[Reck]

Would this be the same “probably not much” that Adm. Mike Rogers called for a 702 audit on?

Huh? You dont know that this is the specific thing Mike Rogers had an issue with.

Why do you constantly act like you know what's on on behind closed doors? :lol It's silly.

My take is, any time you see the name Nunes attached to anything, please disregard it.

[Reck]

Living vicariously through Kyle Griffin's tweets. Big Dog was right :lol

You live vicariously through fake memes. What does that make you, Chris?

[Spurtacular]

You live vicariously through fake memes. What does that make you, Chris?

http://mememaker.org/wp-content/themes/viralimagehubpro/images/memes/e66d1027d969c249a5aaeb3fc302ac3e.png

[Reck]

http://mememaker.org/wp-content/themes/viralimagehubpro/images/memes/e66d1027d969c249a5aaeb3fc302ac3e.png

Hey, how's the fight going over the 5 different threads you're getting shit on?

:lol shit magnet

[Spurtacular]

http://epicpix.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/sorry-im-late-600x567.jpg

You haven't been there. But that's okay; you're not really missed.

[Chris]

You live vicariously through fake memes. What does that make you, Chris?




Get over it. They got dates wrong.

They corrected it.

I like how people think CNN was deep undercover and was going to break a case for Mueller.


It's not even a story with the correct dates. Are you really that fucking stupid?


Yes


Are you denying Trump Jr. didn’t make contact with Wikileaks? Or that they instructed him on how to get stolen information on Hillary?

Are you that really fuckng stupid?


You used a double negative. Reread your post and try again.


You even got CNN’s wrong date story wrong :rollin
Yes you really are that fucking stupid :rollin


So wikileaks sliding into Trump's DMs telling him what to do about ill gotten information is fake? Ok, pizza guy.


Nothing you quoted shows Wikileaks instructing Don Jr how to get stolen information on Hillary.
Holy shit, you really are that fucking stupid.

:lmao

[Chris]

Chris, man you keep backing up people who are about to go to jail. :lol

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Also thinks the medals are fake. :lol


These two guys should compare fake vs real stars and badges, Chris. :lol

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/05/Clarke_Crop.jpg&w=1484

:lmao The amount of fake badges and shit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/26/heres-what-the-pins-that-sheriff-clarke-wears-actually-mean/?utm_term=.74f1c0bedd8b

:lol Harley Davidson badge
:lol Airport mileage badge

[Pavlov]

Also thinks the medals are fake. :lol:lol souvenir badge

[Reck]

You haven't been there. But that's okay; you're not really missed.

Haven't been where? You're so inept that you are now quoting empty posts. To say you have two left hands is giving you some credit.

[Reck]

Chris sprung!

One post directed at him made him lose his shit. :lol

[Chris]

Chris sprung!

One post directed at him made him lose his shit. :lol

80% of your posts are directed at me :lol

[Reck]

80% of your posts are directed at me :lol

No they're not. :lol

Half my posts to you is asking you a legit questions and you running away from them. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Haven't been where? You're so inept that you are now quoting empty posts. To say you have two left hands is giving you some credit.

Stop dressing in women's clothing if you can't follow along, tranny.

[Reck]

Stop dressing in women's clothing if you can't follow, tranny.

I dont. But you clearly are/or thinking about it.

How many of your shitstain 14k posts are devoted to shemale and tranny talk? The other half is you talking about swallowing dicks.

[Spurtacular]

I dont. But you clearly are/or thinking about it.

How many of your shitstain 14k posts are devoted to shemale and tranny talk? The other half is you talking about swallowing dicks.

And thus we see what is on your mind that you can't follow along.

[Reck]

And thus we see what is on your mind that you can't follow along.

And thus, thou remains an autistic retard.

Congrats on being in the same echelon of ducks and Boutons level of intelligence.

Sweet company. :lol

[TSA]

Interesting info on our Australian friend Downer

“Mr. Howard was equally confident in the safety of the deal signed by his Foreign Minister Alexander Downer and Sergei Kiriyenko, the head of Russia's nuclear energy agency Rosatom.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/news/world/australia-russia-sign-uranium-sale-agreement/article1081498/?__twitter_impression=true

[Pavlov]

Interesting info on our Australian friend Downer

“Mr. Howard was equally confident in the safety of the deal signed by his Foreign Minister Alexander Downer and Sergei Kiriyenko, the head of Russia's nuclear energy agency Rosatom.”

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/news/world/australia-russia-sign-uranium-sale-agreement/article1081498/?__twitter_impression=true
What's interesting about it,TSA?

[koriwhat]

pav with his retard shtick at it again.

[Pavlov]

pav with his retard shtick at it again.He brought it up. No need to get emotional.

[TSA]

What's interesting about it,TSA?

I just find it interesting, no need to speculate any further on the matter than that.

[koriwhat]

He brought it up. No need to get emotional.

2 shticks now huh? your bs line of questioning and this stupid fucking "emotional" bs you're on too. trust me pav, no one is getting all worked up over you or your shticks. i feel like i am literally talking to a pansy fucking little bitch when i reply to you or read your bs.

[Pavlov]

I just find it interestingWhy? I'm not asking for speculation.

[Pavlov]

2 shticks now huh? your bs line of questioning and this stupid fucking "emotional" bs you're on too. trust me pav, no one is getting all worked up over you or your shticks. i feel like i am literally talking to a pansy fucking little bitch when i reply to you or read your bs.You seem pretty worked up tbh.

[koriwhat]

You seem pretty worked up tbh.

"seem" is all you got. jumping to conclusions isn't fact based just like russia hacking the election. i understand you live in make believe world but claiming i am this or that doesn't make it truth.

all you have and will ever have is speculation because deep down you wish it to be truth.

[Pavlov]

"seem" is all you got. jumping to conclusions isn't fact based just like russia hacking the election. i understand you live in make believe world but claiming i am this or that doesn't make it truth.

all you have and will ever have is speculation because deep down you wish it to be truth. truth is, you're a little bitch. i don't need to read your words to jump to that conclusion.OK, as long as you're not all worked up and emotional about it.

[koriwhat]

OK, as long as you're not all worked up and emotional about it.

lol :tu

[TSA]

CIJGH9RS2Fc

Adm. Mike Rogers—true Patriot

[TSA]

Flashback to Patriot Nunes

1kUcoNTR-0g

[Pavlov]

:lol now TSA repeats himself.

[TSA]

And released to the public by Dan Coats

https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-Enemies

[Pavlov]

And released to the public by Dan Coats

https://www.scribd.com/document/349542716/Top-Secret-FISA-Court-Order-President-Obama-Spying-on-Political-EnemiesYou read the whole thing?

[TSA]

You read the whole thing?

No, but your boy sundance has.

952370554815868928

[Pavlov]

No:tu

[Chris]

Fusion GPS Walks Back Its Claim FBI Had ‘Source’ Inside Trump Campaign

The media exploded after Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) unilaterally released Fusion GPS’s full testimony from an August 2017 interview last Tuesday.


After a series of excuses, Dianne Feinstein finally admitted she released the transcript to the public at the request of Fusion GPS’s lawyers.

Shortly after the transcript hit the public, everyone was talking about how Christopher Steele was told the FBI had a ‘source’ inside the Trump campaign feeding the FBI agents information.

According to the transcript, this ‘internal source’ confirmed the claims in the dossier to the FBI thus giving the 35 page document more credibility. Everyone assumed this ‘source’ was Trump campaign volunteer George Papadopoulos since he was the star in the December 30th New York Times article.

Fusion GPS is now walking back the claim the FBI had an ‘internal source’, claiming they “mischaracterized” the source. The ‘source’ was apparently an Australian diplomat.

The correction to Simpson’s original state as reported by The Washington Times:

“A source close to Fusion GPS tells me there was no walk-in source––that was a mischaracterization by Simpson of the Australian diplomat tip about Papadopoulis [sic],” tweeted NBC reporter Ken Dilanian.Whether the source the FBI supposedly told Mr. Steele about could be Mr. Papadopoulos is doubtful. He has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about issues surrounding his contacts with the professor. The criminal complain says the FBI did not interview him until January 2017, three months after Mr. Steele met with the agents in Rome.The story corrections correction caught the eye of Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley, Iowa Republican, who on Thursday sent off a letter to Fusion attorney Joshua Levy. Mr. Grassley demanded to know why Mr. Levy did not correct the record after spending hours reviewing the transcript in October and November or contact the committee last Tuesday.” If it is true that your client’s statement to the Committee was a mischaracterization, why did you not attempt to correct your client’s statement as soon as you and/or he realized it was not accurate?” the senator wrote. Mr. Levy did not return a message seeking comment.

NBC News reporter, Ken Dilanian, who by the way has a very cozy relationship with Fusion GPS tweeted, “A source close to Fusion GPS tells me there was no walk-in source — that was a mischaracterization by Simpson of the Australian diplomat tip about Papadopoulis.”

950803383073558529

Dilanian then tweeted, “A second source confirms: Steele was not told about a walk-in source. That was a mistake. He was referring to Papadopoulos, via the Australian diplomat.”

950833823692083200

The names of Fusion GPS’s FBI contacts were also conveniently redacted from the transcript.

What else is Fusion GPS going to retract?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/fusion-gps-walks-back-claim-fbi-source-inside-trump-campaign/

[TSA]

952381350656561152

[AaronY]

Are there any good anti-Russian boycotts coming out of this? Like has djohn boycotted vodka or anything?

[Chris]

Are there any good anti-Russian boycotts coming out of this? Like has djohn boycotted vodka or anything?

djohn and Pavlov have boycotted common sense.

[AaronY]

Like if a pussyhat wearing Dem goes to a restaurant and orders a salad and all they have is Russian dressing do they walk out? Eat the salad plain? Send the salad back?

[TSA]

Are there any good anti-Russian boycotts coming out of this? Like has djohn boycotted vodka or anything?
rAmdomGuy is all prepped and ready to march on some undetermined happening

[AaronY]

Supposedly Randomguy's wife snuck some Russian dressing onto his salad as a goof and RG went into the bathroom and purged himself when he found out

[DarrinS]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455426/steele-dossier-fusion-gps-glenn-simpson-trump-russia-investigation

[Pavlov]

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455426/steele-dossier-fusion-gps-glenn-simpson-trump-russia-investigationSo Simpson just used Republican smear tactics on a Republican?

lol OK

[djohn2oo8]

Fusion GPS Walks Back Its Claim FBI Had ‘Source’ Inside Trump Campaign

The media exploded after Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) unilaterally released Fusion GPS’s full testimony from an August 2017 interview last Tuesday.


So Simpson just used Republican smear tactics on a Republican?

lol OK

:lol

[Pavlov]

I mean Simpson is a slimy political mercenary. It's his business. Good luck trying to tear down Steele though.

[dabom]

So Simpson just used Republican smear tactics on a Republican?

lol OK

These pussies should be fuming at peepee in chief all the fucking time then. :lmao

[DarrinS]

I can tell no one read that article. :lol

[Pavlov]

I can tell no one read that article. :lolI can tell you have no take of your own. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

I can tell you have no take of your own. :lol

lol

[DarrinS]

I can tell you have no take of your own. :lol

I said a long time ago that I think oppo research sponsored by Hillary and DNC was the basis for the politicized FBI to spy on the Trump campaign.

[Pavlov]

I said a long time ago that I think oppo research sponsored by Hillary and DNC was the basis for the politicized FBI to spy on the Trump campaign.When did the investigation start, Darrin?

[Reck]

I said a long time ago that I think oppo research sponsored by Hillary and DNC was the basis for the politicized FBI to spy on the Trump campaign.

:lol Politicized

It's only politicized when you have nothing to gain from them. He was giddy when Comey came out with that letter a week before the election. I guess the FBI was glorious then. You're so see-through.

[djohn2oo8]

I said a long time ago that I think oppo research sponsored by Hillary and DNC was the basis for the politicized FBI to spy on the Trump campaign.

Maybe if Carter Page wouldn't have taken an unnecessary trip to Russia after he already had a FISA warrant granted on him....

[djohn2oo8]

:lol Politicized

It's only politicized when you have nothing to gain from them. He was giddy when Comey came out with that letter a week before the election. I guess the FBI was glorious then. You're so see-through.

:lol Scared of what Mueller knows.

[DarrinS]

:lol Politicized

It's only politicized when you have nothing to gain from them. He was giddy when Comey came out with that letter a week before the election. I guess the FBI was glorious then. You're so see-through.


That investigation wasn’t based on a sketchy dossier as an “insurance policy “.

[Pavlov]

That investigation wasn’t based on a sketchy dossier as an “insurance policy “.When did the investigation start, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

When did the investigation start, Darrin?

July 2016

[Pavlov]

July 2016Incorrect.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Darrin likes parroting the Hannity narrative it seems.

[djohn2oo8]

Darrin likes parroting the Hannity narrative it seems.

It's pathetic.

[TSA]

Incorrect.

The start date is irrelevant to what is being uncovered now.

[TSA]

Asst. Attorney General Sally Yates, Asst. AG Head of National Security Division John P Carlin; Deputy Attorney Bruce Ohr; Justice Attorney Lisa Page.

FBI Director Jim Comey; Asst. FBI Director Andrew McCabe; Director of Counterintelligence W.H. “Bill Priestap”; FBI Chief Legal Counsel James Baker; and lead FBI Counterintelligence Agent Peter Strzok

Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson; the wife of Simpson, Mary B. Jacoby; a hired private contractor, familiar with CIA operations, Nellie Ohr (also wife of DOJ team insider Bruce Ohr); contracted former British MI6 Agent and head of Russia House, Christopher Steele (also attributed authorship of ‘Dossier’).

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/14/fusioncollusion-congress-takes-3-prong-approach-to-surround-corrupt-intelligence-and-justice-officials/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

sundance sundays

[Pavlov]

The start date is irrelevant to what is being uncovered now.When did the investigation start, TSA?

Two major news outlets reported it a year ago. You must've missed it.

[DarrinS]

When did the investigation start, TSA?

Two major news outlets reported it a year ago. You must've missed it.


Please be specific about which investigation you are talking about. In July 2016, the FBI's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election begins.

[Pavlov]

Please be specific about which investigation you are talking about. In July 2016, the FBI's investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election begins.The investigation into the Trump campaign's links with Russia.

When did that start?

[DarrinS]

The investigation into the Trump campaign's links with Russia.

When did that start?

Which one?

[Pavlov]

Which one?Let us know which one you think is the earliest, Darrin.

Go right ahead.

[DarrinS]

Let us know which one you think is the earliest, Darrin.

Go right ahead.

Just link to the investigation and start date you are referring to.

[Pavlov]

Just link to the investigation and start date you are referring to.Let us know which one you think is the earliest, Darrin.

Go right ahead.

I'll wait.

[TSA]

You can’t run from the Democrat paid for Steele dossier used to secure a FISA warrant any longer. That is the issue, the start date is irrelevant.

[Pavlov]

You can’t run from the Democrat paid for Steele dossier used to secure a FISA warrant any longer. That is the issue, the start date is irrelevant.Why are you and Darrin running from the start date then, TSA?

[TSA]

It’s Nunes time Chump. Sit back and weep.

[DarrinS]

Why are you and Darrin running from the start date then, TSA?

Just post the link.

[TSA]

Why are you and Darrin running from the start date then, TSA?

Tough to run from something I deem irrelevant.

[Pavlov]

It’s Nunes time Chump. Sit back and weep.


Just post the link.
Damn, you guys are really shook about this start date thing.

Just post the date you say the FBI started investigating the Trump campaign's connections to Russia.

It's that simple.

[Pavlov]

Tough to run from something I deem irrelevant.Then you'll have no problem posting it at all.

[TSA]

Just post the link.

Don’t even bother asking. You know his schtick.

[Pavlov]

Don’t even bother asking. You know his schtick.I'll gladly post two links once you brave patriots tell me when you say the investigation started.

[TSA]

Then you'll have no problem posting it at all.

Convince me it is somehow relevant to the Steele dossier being used to secure a FISA warrant I’ll post the start date of the investigation.

[Pavlov]

Convince me it is somehow relevant to the Steele dossier being used to secure a FISA warrant I’ll post the start date of the investigation.Aw, the brave patriot needs conditions met to post a date he claims to be irrelevant.

You have a bunch of guns. Why are you afraid to post a date?

[TSA]

Aw, the brave patriot needs conditions met to post a date he claims to be irrelevant.

You have a bunch of guns. Why are you afraid to post a date?

I’m not concerned with the start date.

[Pavlov]

I’m not concerned with the start date.Then just post it, brave patriot.

Don't be afraid.

[DarrinS]

Damn, you guys are really shook about this start date thing.

Just post the date you say the FBI started investigating the Trump campaign's connections to Russia.

It's that simple.


Just post the link you think is relevant. Why are you stalling?

[TSA]

Then just post it, brave patriot.

Don't be afraid.No reason to as I’m not concerned with it.

Your deflections are now blatant, you’re so shook it’s getting sad.

You’ve invested so much of your life to this thread and it’s all falling apart. You’ve been reduced to nothing more than an ankle biting shill for the left. Nothing you do from this point on will change what is happening. You fell for the biggest political scandal in the history of the United States. You pushed that scandalous narrative for over a year 24/7. You are a disgrace to this country.

[Pavlov]

Just post the link you think is relevant. Why are you stalling?I asked the both of you to post when you think the investigation into the connections began.

I'll post two links when you do.

If you're afraid, that's cool. I expect that from you brave patriots.

[Pavlov]

No reason to as I’m not concerned with it.

Your deflections are now blatant, you’re so shook it’s getting sad.

You’ve invested so much of your life to this thread and it’s all falling apart. You’ve been reduced to nothing more than an ankle biting shill for the left. Nothing you do from this point on will change what is happening. You fell for the biggest political scandal in the history of the United States. You pushed that scandalous narrative for over a year 24/7. You are a disgrace to this country.:lol You pushed pizzagate for over a year too. You pushed Satanic ritual child abuse for over a year too. You invested so much of your life to it and it all fell apart and onto your brave, patriotic head.

The biggest political scandal in history was the Nixon administration. This could be pretty big, but not for the reasons you want it to be, brave patriot.

I've said all along I am fine with anything being investigated and anyone put away for any crime found. I am skeptical of anything you post because you lie and push stupid conspiracy theories all the time.

You can't even bring yourself to say when an investigation started. That's just silly, brave patriot.

[TSA]

:lol You pushed pizzagate for over a year too. You pushed Satanic ritual child abuse for over a year too. You invested so much of your life to it and it all fell apart and onto your brave, patriotic head.

The biggest political scandal in history was the Nixon administration. This could be pretty big, but not for the reasons you want it to be, brave patriot.

I've said all along I am fine with anything being investigated and anyone put away for any crime found. I am skeptical of anything you post because you lie and push stupid conspiracy theories all the time.

You can't even bring yourself to say when an investigation started. That's just silly, brave patriot.


Don’t worry, there will be room for all of you.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/conan/images/d/db/Tree_of_Woe.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131011224011

[DarrinS]

I asked the both of you to post when you think the investigation into the connections began.

I'll post two links when you do.

If you're afraid, that's cool. I expect that from you brave patriots.


I already answered and you said I was incorrect. Post the link that proves me wrong and I’ll take the L.

[Pavlov]

:cryHey, brave patriot -- you won't even post what you think happen or will happen anymore. That's how shook you are.

If crimes are revealed and criminals punished, I'll be happy with it no matter their political affiliation. That's the difference between you and me, brave patriot.


I already answered and you said I was incorrect. Post the link that proves me wrong and I’ll take the L.No, you didn't give a date for the investigation you had me define.

[DarrinS]

Why not post it? Why do you do this shit?

[Pavlov]

Why not post it? Why do you do this shit?I wanted to see your answers first. Brave patriots committed to their beliefs and all that. Pretty simple.

[TSA]

Why not post it? Why do you do this shit?

he’d much rather go back and forth another five pages about an irrelevant start date than address the fact he fell for and pushed the worst political scandal ever seen in the US. He was duped into being part of the problem and is now thoroughly embarrassed, as he should be.

[Pavlov]

he’d much rather go back and forth another five pages about an irrelevant start date than address the fact he fell for and pushed the worst political scandal ever seen in the US. He was duped into being part of the problem and is now thoroughly embarrassed, as he should be.:lol part of the problem. Which problem is that, brave patriot? Mocking dear leader?

I'd rather just post the two links right after the two of you brave patriots post the date you think the investigation began.

[DarrinS]

he’d much rather go back and forth another five pages about an irrelevant start date than address the fact he fell for and pushed the worst political scandal ever seen in the US. He was duped into being part of the problem and is now thoroughly embarrassed, as he should be.

Yeah, I’m done asking. These little back and forths with Chump/Pavlov are a waste of everyone’s time.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, I’m done asking. These little back and forths with Chump/Pavlov are a waste of everyone’s time.You don't have to ask at all, brave patriot.

All you have to do is post when you think the investigation started.

Got both pages up and ready to link.

[djohn2oo8]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.html

[djohn2oo8]

Sorry turd crew, FBI had other intel from Allies before they got the dossier.

[Pavlov]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.htmlYou're the real patriot, djohn. Proud and unafraid.

TSA just wants to destroy America.

[djohn2oo8]

You're the real patriot, djohn. Proud and unafraid.

TSA just wants to destroy America.

:tu

TSA. Fake Patriot.

[djohn2oo8]

F.B.I. officials disagreed in 2016 about how aggressively and publicly to pursue the Russia inquiry before the election. But there was little debate about what seemed to be afoot. John O. Brennan, who retired this year after four years as C.I.A. director, told Congress in May that he had been concerned about multiple contacts between Russian officials and Trump advisers.


Meaning, intel was already shared between agencies before the dossier. :lmao Potatoe crew.

[TSA]

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?

[TSA]

You can’t run from the same dossier you pimped for a year.

[Pavlov]

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?


You can’t run from the same dossier you pimped for a year.When was the FISA warrant you're talking about granted?

Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

[djohn2oo8]

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?


As someone who obtained FISA warrants while conducting counterintelligence investigations for the FBI, I can attest to the fact that they not only don’t involve the White House, but the process includes too many layers of approval to be granted without strong evidence.

There are two ways to obtain a wiretap – also known as electronic surveillance – on U.S. persons (citizens and permanent residents), and both include the courts. For criminal investigations, the FBI can seek a warrant under Title III of the U.S. criminal code by showing a federal court that there is probable cause to believe the target has engaged, or is engaging in, criminal activity. This is a fairly high standard because of a strong presumption in favor of our Fourth Amendment right to privacy, and requires a showing that less intrusive means of obtaining the same information aren’t feasible.

The standard for electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, though, is a little lower. This is because when it comes to national security, as opposed to criminal prosecutions, our Fourth Amendment rights are balanced against the government’s interest in protecting the country. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) allows the FBI to get a warrant from a secret court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), to conduct electronic surveillance on U.S. persons if they can show probable cause that the target is an “agent of a foreign power” who is “knowingly engag[ing]…in clandestine intelligence activities.” In other words, the government has to show that the target might be spying for a foreign government or organization.

But even under this standard, it’s not like the FBI can just decide to stop by a FISC to get a FISA warrant after going through the McDonald’s drive-thru for lunch. To even begin the process leading to a FISA, the FBI has to follow several steps outlined in the Attorney General Guidelines, which govern FBI investigations. First, the FBI has to conduct a “threat assessment” in order to establish grounds for even opening an investigation on potential FISA subjects. If a threat exists, the FBI must then formally open an investigation into possible foreign intelligence activity.

What does this look like in practice? Well, say, hypothetically, that a group of U.S. persons seem to have not infrequent contact with diplomats known to be Russian spies, whom the FBI are already monitoring. (Pro-tip: While it’s possible that such contacts could be accidental – I mean, hypothetically, the Trump inner circle could be a riot to hang out with socially – spies, particularly Russian ones, are pretty good at what they do and don’t spend time with people unless there’s a good reason.) The FBI might determine that, if the U.S. persons have access to classified information or could otherwise be “developed” for intelligence purposes by a foreign spy service, a significant enough threat exists to open an investigation – this would require at least one layer of approval within the FBI, and possibly more if the investigation concerns high-profile individuals.

The case still wouldn’t be FISA bound. FISA warrant investigations can’t be opened “solely on the basis of First Amendment activities,” so mere fraternization, even with sketchy people, wouldn’t be enough. The FBI would have to gather evidence to support a the claim that the U.S. target was knowingly working on behalf of a foreign entity. This could include information gathered from other methods like human sources, physical surveillance, bank transactions or even documents found in the target’s trash. This takes some time, and, when enough evidence had been accumulated, would be outlined in an affidavit and application stating the grounds for the FISA warrant. The completed FISA application would go up for approval through the FBI chain of command, including a Supervisor, the Chief Division Counsel (the highest lawyer within that FBI field office), and finally, the Special Agent in Charge of the field office, before making its way to FBI Headquarters to get approval by (at least) the Unit-level Supervisor there. If you’re exhausted already, hang on: There’s more.

The FISA application then travels to the Justice Department where attorneys from the National Security Division comb through the application to verify all the assertions made in it. Known as “Woods procedures” after Michael J. Woods, the FBI Special Agent attorney who developed this layer of approval, DOJ verifies the accuracy of every fact stated in the application. If anything looks unsubstantiated, the application is sent back to the FBI to provide additional evidentiary support – this game of bureaucratic chutes and ladders continues until DOJ is satisfied that the facts in the FISA application can both be corroborated and meet the legal standards for the court. After getting sign-off from a senior DOJ official (finally!), a lawyer from DOJ takes the FISA application before the FISC, comprised of eleven federal district judges who sit on the court on a rotating basis. The FISC reviews the application in secret, and decides whether to approve the warrant.

Now, it’s true that since its inception in 1978, the FISC has approved the vast majority of the over 25,000 FISA applications it has reviewed – some estimates put the number at over 99 percent. But that’s not surprising given the extensive process described above. In fact, if some reports are true that the initial FISA applications submitted to the FISC were rejected, prompting the FBI and DOJ to change its targets to the Russian banks doing business with Trump associates rather than the associates themselves (which would only require showing probable cause that the banks are a “foreign power,” which by definition they are), then a FISA application for Trump Tower, if one exists, would have been subject to even more scrutiny than would normally be the case.

In short, the FISA warrant process is designed to protect against the very abuse of power that the President has accused his predecessor of exercising. You could even say that FISA applications go through an “extreme vetting” process before being granted – something that the Trump administration ought to support

[djohn2oo8]

As someone who obtained FISA warrants while conducting counterintelligence investigations for the FBI, I can attest to the fact that they not only don’t involve the White House, but the process includes too many layers of approval to be granted without strong evidence.

There are two ways to obtain a wiretap – also known as electronic surveillance – on U.S. persons (citizens and permanent residents), and both include the courts. For criminal investigations, the FBI can seek a warrant under Title III of the U.S. criminal code by showing a federal court that there is probable cause to believe the target has engaged, or is engaging in, criminal activity. This is a fairly high standard because of a strong presumption in favor of our Fourth Amendment right to privacy, and requires a showing that less intrusive means of obtaining the same information aren’t feasible.

The standard for electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, though, is a little lower. This is because when it comes to national security, as opposed to criminal prosecutions, our Fourth Amendment rights are balanced against the government’s interest in protecting the country. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) allows the FBI to get a warrant from a secret court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), to conduct electronic surveillance on U.S. persons if they can show probable cause that the target is an “agent of a foreign power” who is “knowingly engag[ing]…in clandestine intelligence activities.” In other words, the government has to show that the target might be spying for a foreign government or organization.

But even under this standard, it’s not like the FBI can just decide to stop by a FISC to get a FISA warrant after going through the McDonald’s drive-thru for lunch. To even begin the process leading to a FISA, the FBI has to follow several steps outlined in the Attorney General Guidelines, which govern FBI investigations. First, the FBI has to conduct a “threat assessment” in order to establish grounds for even opening an investigation on potential FISA subjects. If a threat exists, the FBI must then formally open an investigation into possible foreign intelligence activity.

What does this look like in practice? Well, say, hypothetically, that a group of U.S. persons seem to have not infrequent contact with diplomats known to be Russian spies, whom the FBI are already monitoring. (Pro-tip: While it’s possible that such contacts could be accidental – I mean, hypothetically, the Trump inner circle could be a riot to hang out with socially – spies, particularly Russian ones, are pretty good at what they do and don’t spend time with people unless there’s a good reason.) The FBI might determine that, if the U.S. persons have access to classified information or could otherwise be “developed” for intelligence purposes by a foreign spy service, a significant enough threat exists to open an investigation – this would require at least one layer of approval within the FBI, and possibly more if the investigation concerns high-profile individuals.

The case still wouldn’t be FISA bound. FISA warrant investigations can’t be opened “solely on the basis of First Amendment activities,” so mere fraternization, even with sketchy people, wouldn’t be enough. The FBI would have to gather evidence to support a the claim that the U.S. target was knowingly working on behalf of a foreign entity. This could include information gathered from other methods like human sources, physical surveillance, bank transactions or even documents found in the target’s trash. This takes some time, and, when enough evidence had been accumulated, would be outlined in an affidavit and application stating the grounds for the FISA warrant. The completed FISA application would go up for approval through the FBI chain of command, including a Supervisor, the Chief Division Counsel (the highest lawyer within that FBI field office), and finally, the Special Agent in Charge of the field office, before making its way to FBI Headquarters to get approval by (at least) the Unit-level Supervisor there. If you’re exhausted already, hang on: There’s more.

The FISA application then travels to the Justice Department where attorneys from the National Security Division comb through the application to verify all the assertions made in it. Known as “Woods procedures” after Michael J. Woods, the FBI Special Agent attorney who developed this layer of approval, DOJ verifies the accuracy of every fact stated in the application. If anything looks unsubstantiated, the application is sent back to the FBI to provide additional evidentiary support – this game of bureaucratic chutes and ladders continues until DOJ is satisfied that the facts in the FISA application can both be corroborated and meet the legal standards for the court. After getting sign-off from a senior DOJ official (finally!), a lawyer from DOJ takes the FISA application before the FISC, comprised of eleven federal district judges who sit on the court on a rotating basis. The FISC reviews the application in secret, and decides whether to approve the warrant.

Now, it’s true that since its inception in 1978, the FISC has approved the vast majority of the over 25,000 FISA applications it has reviewed – some estimates put the number at over 99 percent. But that’s not surprising given the extensive process described above. In fact, if some reports are true that the initial FISA applications submitted to the FISC were rejected, prompting the FBI and DOJ to change its targets to the Russian banks doing business with Trump associates rather than the associates themselves (which would only require showing probable cause that the banks are a “foreign power,” which by definition they are), then a FISA application for Trump Tower, if one exists, would have been subject to even more scrutiny than would normally be the case.

In short, the FISA warrant process is designed to protect against the very abuse of power that the President has accused his predecessor of exercising. You could even say that FISA applications go through an “extreme vetting” process before being granted – something that the Trump administration ought to support

https://www.justsecurity.org/38422/aint-easy-fisa-warrant-fbi-agent/

[Pavlov]

I'm requesting some details sundance may be unable or unwilling to produce.

[TSA]

When was the FISA warrant you're talking about granted?

Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

quote the question, don’t answer it, fire off two more questions. Sad.

[TSA]

https://www.justsecurity.org/38422/aint-easy-fisa-warrant-fbi-agent/

keep digging your hole djohn, the tree of woe’s roots run deep

[djohn2oo8]

keep digging your hole djohn, the tree of woe’s roots run deep

Read the article on the procedures of how a FISA warrant is obtained.

[djohn2oo8]

As someone who obtained FISA warrants while conducting counterintelligence investigations for the FBI, I can attest to the fact that they not only don’t involve the White House, but the process includes too many layers of approval to be granted without strong evidence.

There are two ways to obtain a wiretap – also known as electronic surveillance – on U.S. persons (citizens and permanent residents), and both include the courts. For criminal investigations, the FBI can seek a warrant under Title III of the U.S. criminal code by showing a federal court that there is probable cause to believe the target has engaged, or is engaging in, criminal activity. This is a fairly high standard because of a strong presumption in favor of our Fourth Amendment right to privacy, and requires a showing that less intrusive means of obtaining the same information aren’t feasible.

The standard for electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, though, is a little lower. This is because when it comes to national security, as opposed to criminal prosecutions, our Fourth Amendment rights are balanced against the government’s interest in protecting the country. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) allows the FBI to get a warrant from a secret court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), to conduct electronic surveillance on U.S. persons if they can show probable cause that the target is an “agent of a foreign power” who is “knowingly engag[ing]…in clandestine intelligence activities.” In other words, the government has to show that the target might be spying for a foreign government or organization.

But even under this standard, it’s not like the FBI can just decide to stop by a FISC to get a FISA warrant after going through the McDonald’s drive-thru for lunch. To even begin the process leading to a FISA, the FBI has to follow several steps outlined in the Attorney General Guidelines, which govern FBI investigations. First, the FBI has to conduct a “threat assessment” in order to establish grounds for even opening an investigation on potential FISA subjects. If a threat exists, the FBI must then formally open an investigation into possible foreign intelligence activity.

What does this look like in practice? Well, say, hypothetically, that a group of U.S. persons seem to have not infrequent contact with diplomats known to be Russian spies, whom the FBI are already monitoring. (Pro-tip: While it’s possible that such contacts could be accidental – I mean, hypothetically, the Trump inner circle could be a riot to hang out with socially – spies, particularly Russian ones, are pretty good at what they do and don’t spend time with people unless there’s a good reason.) The FBI might determine that, if the U.S. persons have access to classified information or could otherwise be “developed” for intelligence purposes by a foreign spy service, a significant enough threat exists to open an investigation – this would require at least one layer of approval within the FBI, and possibly more if the investigation concerns high-profile individuals.

The case still wouldn’t be FISA bound. FISA warrant investigations can’t be opened “solely on the basis of First Amendment activities,” so mere fraternization, even with sketchy people, wouldn’t be enough. The FBI would have to gather evidence to support a the claim that the U.S. target was knowingly working on behalf of a foreign entity. This could include information gathered from other methods like human sources, physical surveillance, bank transactions or even documents found in the target’s trash. This takes some time, and, when enough evidence had been accumulated, would be outlined in an affidavit and application stating the grounds for the FISA warrant. The completed FISA application would go up for approval through the FBI chain of command, including a Supervisor, the Chief Division Counsel (the highest lawyer within that FBI field office), and finally, the Special Agent in Charge of the field office, before making its way to FBI Headquarters to get approval by (at least) the Unit-level Supervisor there. If you’re exhausted already, hang on: There’s more.

The FISA application then travels to the Justice Department where attorneys from the National Security Division comb through the application to verify all the assertions made in it. Known as “Woods procedures” after Michael J. Woods, the FBI Special Agent attorney who developed this layer of approval, DOJ verifies the accuracy of every fact stated in the application. If anything looks unsubstantiated, the application is sent back to the FBI to provide additional evidentiary support – this game of bureaucratic chutes and ladders continues until DOJ is satisfied that the facts in the FISA application can both be corroborated and meet the legal standards for the court. After getting sign-off from a senior DOJ official (finally!), a lawyer from DOJ takes the FISA application before the FISC, comprised of eleven federal district judges who sit on the court on a rotating basis. The FISC reviews the application in secret, and decides whether to approve the warrant.

Now, it’s true that since its inception in 1978, the FISC has approved the vast majority of the over 25,000 FISA applications it has reviewed – some estimates put the number at over 99 percent. But that’s not surprising given the extensive process described above. In fact, if some reports are true that the initial FISA applications submitted to the FISC were rejected, prompting the FBI and DOJ to change its targets to the Russian banks doing business with Trump associates rather than the associates themselves (which would only require showing probable cause that the banks are a “foreign power,” which by definition they are), then a FISA application for Trump Tower, if one exists, would have been subject to even more scrutiny than would normally be the case.

In short, the FISA warrant process is designed to protect against the very abuse of power that the President has accused his predecessor of exercising. You could even say that FISA applications go through an “extreme vetting” process before being granted – something that the Trump administration ought to support
Pavlov ...why doesn't TSA want to read this?

[Pavlov]

quote the question, don’t answer it, fire off two more questions. Sad.Dodge #1.

You don't think the start date is relevant and refused to discuss it but now want to argue about it. Now you don't want to discuss what you've been whining about all along.

When was the FISA warrant you're talking about granted?

Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

Answer the questions, brave patriot.

[Pavlov]

Pavlov ...why doesn't TSA want to read this?He'll just say that every single person involved is corrupt. He's done it before.

[TSA]

Dodge #1.

You don't think the start date is relevant and refused to discuss it but now want to argue about it. Now you don't want to discuss what you've been whining about all along.

When was the FISA warrant you're talking about granted?

Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

Answer the questions, brave patriot.

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?

Quote and dodge this again I dare you

[djohn2oo8]

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?

Quote and dodge this again I dare you

Read the rules on how a warrant is obtained.

[Pavlov]

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?It could show that something else was involved in the FISA application since the investigation had been going on for months.


Quote and dodge this again I dare you:lol tough guy

When was the FISA warrant you're talking about granted?

Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

Answer the questions, brave patriot.

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/40000000/Triple-Dog-Dare-animated-gif-a-christmas-story-40073840-500-317.gif

[TSA]

Read the rules on how a warrant is obtained.

nice a 2 for 1 dodger

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?

[djohn2oo8]

nice a 2 for 1 dodger

What relevance does the start of the investigation have to do with using the dem paid for Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant?

What relevance does your argument have if you don't know the requirements for a FISA warrant to be granted?

[TSA]

It could show that something else was involved in the FISA application since the investigation had been going on for months.

:lol tough guy

When was the FISA warrant you're talking about granted?

Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

Answer the questions, brave patriot. I TRIPLE DOG DARE YA

Whatever else was used is irrelevant to the fact that the Steele’s dossier was used at all in obtaining the FISA warrant.

Dem paid for opposition used was used by the FBI to justify a FISA warrant.

Fusion GPS working with both the FBI/DOJ in compiling

Major abuse of 702 by FBI/DOJ by outside contractors per FISC audit

Top FBI/DOJ officials involved retiring/reassigned/demoted all under investigation

And you want to sit here and argue about the investigation start date as if it matters :rollin

[Pavlov]

Whatever else was used is irrelevant to the fact that the Steele’s dossier was used at all in obtaining the FISA warrant.

Dem paid for opposition used was used by the FBI to justify a FISA warrant.

Fusion GPS working with both the FBI/DOJ in compiling

Major abuse of 702 by FBI/DOJ by outside contractors per FISC audit

Top FBI/DOJ officials involved retiring/reassigned/demoted all under investigation

And you want to sit here and argue about the investigation start date as if it matters :rollinDodge #3

When was the FISA warrant you're talking about granted?

Was there only the one FISA warrant or were there others?

Answer the questions, brave patriot.

[djohn2oo8]

Whatever else was used is irrelevant to the fact that the Steele’s dossier was used at all in obtaining the FISA warrant.

Dem paid for opposition used was used by the FBI to justify a FISA warrant.

Fusion GPS working with both the FBI/DOJ in compiling

Major abuse of 702 by FBI/DOJ by outside contractors per FISC audit

Top FBI/DOJ officials involved retiring/reassigned/demoted all under investigation

And you want to sit here and argue about the investigation start date as if it matters :rollin

What must happen before a FISA warrant can be granted?

[Pavlov]

And since the dossier is publicly available, what specific information from the dossier was used in the FISA warrant?

Three factual questions for our brave patriot from me on the topic he says he wants to discuss.

So far he has answered 0.

[djohn2oo8]

And since the dossier is publicly available, what specific information from the dossier was used in the FISA warrant?

Three factual questions for our brave patriot from me on the topic he says he wants to discuss.

So far he has answered 0.

Lordy!

[djohn2oo8]

TSA, what steps must a FISA application go through?

[DarrinS]

You're the real patriot, djohn. Proud and unafraid.

TSA just wants to destroy America.

At least djohnmustard had the stones to post something, faggot.

[Pavlov]

At least djohnmustard had the stones to post something, faggot.He posted one of the links I had.

Would you like the other one, Darrin?

I'll post it, then you can post when you think it started.

Deal?

[DarrinS]

He posted one of the links I had.

Would you like the other one, Darrin?

I'll post it, then you can post when you think it started.

Deal?


Post away. I read what he posted and it didn’t change my opinion one bit.

[Pavlov]

Post away. I read what he posted and it didn’t change my opinion one bit.
Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was - allegedly - a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.

It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created.

The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government. Dealing with the domestic, US, side of the inquiry, were the FBI, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice. For the foreign and intelligence aspects of the investigation, there were another three agencies: the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency, responsible for electronic spying.

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427

Now, when do you think the investigation began, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

I mean, I specifically asked about FBI investigation and this is the first paragraph

“The informal, inter-agency working group began to explore possible Russian interference last spring, long before the FBI received information from a former British spy hired to develop politically damaging and unverified research about Trump, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the inquiry.”

[Pavlov]

I mean, I specifically asked about FBI investigation and this is the first paragraph

“The informal, inter-agency working group began to explore possible Russian interference last spring, long before the FBI received information from a former British spy hired to develop politically damaging and unverified research about Trump, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the inquiry.”Read my excerpt above. You really think the FBI would be excluded? :lol

[djohn2oo8]

I mean, I specifically asked about FBI investigation and this is the first paragraph

“The informal, inter-agency working group began to explore possible Russian interference last spring, long before the FBI received information from a former British spy hired to develop politically damaging and unverified research about Trump, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the inquiry.”

Uhhhh. The FBI was involved in that too.

[djohn2oo8]

Post away. I read what he posted and it didn’t change my opinion one bit.

Of course it didn't. Because you'd then have to understand that before a warrant can be granted, information has to be verified first.

[DarrinS]

Of course it didn't. Because you'd then have to understand that before a warrant can be granted, information has to be verified first.

From your link (Chumps is far sketchier)

“One of the allegations involves whether a system for routinely paying thousands of Russian-American pensioners may have been used to pay some email hackers in the United States or to supply money to intermediaries who would then pay the hackers, the two sources said.”

Seems legit

[Pavlov]

From your link (Chumps is far sketchier)

“One of the allegations involves whether a system for routinely paying thousands of Russian-American pensioners may have been used to pay some email hackers in the United States or to supply money to intermediaries who would then pay the hackers, the two sources said.”

Seems legit:lmao Darrin says the BBC is sketchy.

When do you say the investigation started, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

And both of your links talk a LOT about Steele, but whatever, it’s not important. :lol

[Pavlov]

And both of your links talk a LOT about Steele, but whatever, it’s not important. :lolWhen do you say the investigation started, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Can’t wait to find out

[Pavlov]

Can’t wait to find outAre you not sure of your previous answer anymore, Darrin?

You're getting sketchy.

[DarrinS]

When do you say the investigation started, Darrin?

When did Russia interfere in the election?

[Pavlov]

When did Russia interfere in the election?Before the beginning of the investigation according to the BBC and McClatchy. That's how the investigation got started. A Baltic nation saw some shit and passed on the info. Do you really need this explained to you?

When do you say the investigation started, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

I’ll wait and see, Chump.

[Pavlov]

I’ll wait and see, Chump.You gave a definitive answer before, Darrin.

What changed?

[DarrinS]

:lmao Darrin says the BBC is sketchy.

When do you say the investigation started, Darrin?


From your BBC link

“Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".


Sounds like goldenshowergate

:lol

[DarrinS]

You gave a definitive answer before, Darrin.

What changed?


I said the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election started in July 2016. Nothing has changed

[Pavlov]

From your BBC link

“Later, I used an intermediary to pass some questions to active duty CIA officers dealing with the case file - they would not speak to me directly. I got a message back that there was "more than one tape", "audio and video", on "more than one date", in "more than one place" - in the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow and also in St Petersburg - and that the material was "of a sexual nature".


Sounds like goldenshowergate

:lolWhy did you change your answer?

[DarrinS]

Why did you change your answer?

I didn’t

[Pavlov]

I said the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election started in July 2016. Nothing has changedYou changed it to we'll see and now changed back to July 2016.

That changed.

You're getting really sketchy, Darrin.

[djohn2oo8]

I said the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election started in July 2016. Nothing has changed

FBI was investigating Russian interference before July, Darrin. The CIA had intel in May and likely before that too.