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boutons_deux
03-07-2019, 12:05 PM
List how many people in his campaign and/or in his Exec had connections to Russia.

Even the fucking NRA is criminally connected to Russia.

Even Trash's life-saving Deutsche Bank was guilty and fined $100Ms for laundering Russian money.

but somehow, ST assholes and Fox/Repugs think Trash is 100% innocent of Russian collusion.

Spurs Homer
03-07-2019, 12:36 PM
List how many people in his campaign and/or in his Exec had connections to Russia.

Even the fucking NRA is criminally connected to Russia.

Even Trash's life-saving Deutsche Bank was guilty and fined $100Ms for laundering Russian money.

but somehow, ST assholes and Fox/Repugs think Trash is 100% innocent of Russian collusion.

because

they are saying that all the russian contacts, all the lies, all the evidence - everything—
is one gigantic

coincidence


and the great white hope that has over 9000 confirmed lies while in office



is the one honest innocent person in a humongous historical made up witch hunt of their poor innocent
boy scout virginal white angel!

sounds logical- does it not?

TSA
03-07-2019, 04:20 PM
List how many people in his campaign and/or in his Exec had connections to Russia.

Even the fucking NRA is criminally connected to Russia.

Even Trash's life-saving Deutsche Bank was guilty and fined $100Ms for laundering Russian money.

but somehow, ST assholes and Fox/Repugs think Trash is 100% innocent of Russian collusion.

From every single indictment and sentencing memo we've seen so far Mueller does as well.

Chris
03-07-2019, 04:42 PM
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1103770465477246976

Pavlov
03-07-2019, 04:48 PM
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1103770465477246976Wouldn't the money be going to Friedlander's bank account?

Spurs Homer
03-07-2019, 05:07 PM
didn't take long for Nadler - to be targeted

if Jesus Christ came down from heaven and said he was going to investigate Trumps crimes -

the right wing nazi's would sudenly find "dirt" on JC!


:rollin:rollin

Pavlov
03-07-2019, 05:12 PM
I think they're upset the joooooooooooooooooooooooooooo has actually been following FARA rules for seven years. That's how they found out for whom he's lobbying.

Weird that they left out the Qataris that also pay the jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Chris
03-07-2019, 05:13 PM
"Nadler Campaign Consultant Working on Behalf of Russian Propagandist"


Just...wow. And they point to Trump.

Pavlov
03-07-2019, 05:14 PM
"Nadler Campaign Consultant Working on Behalf of Russian Propagandist"


Just...wow. And they point to Trump.Also Qataris. You know, the ones who bailed out Kuckner?

TSA
03-07-2019, 05:44 PM
1103766241439870978

spurraider21
03-07-2019, 05:51 PM
1103766241439870978
lol unnecessary comment for political headlines

judge ellis still whining, but at least he's followed the law

Chris
03-07-2019, 05:54 PM
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgflip.com%2F2ekcg2.gif&f=1
Putin:"Next time kiss the rings bitch."

spurraider21
03-07-2019, 05:59 PM
toaster quality gif *ding*

TSA
03-07-2019, 06:07 PM
:lmao :lmao :lmao what happened to your “manafort not flipping” theory :rollin

1103790822179385344

:rollin

Chris
03-07-2019, 07:24 PM
https://twitter.com/CJBdingo25/status/1103794017643446274

Chris
03-07-2019, 07:29 PM
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1103773789295386624

TSA Ohr shit

TSA
03-07-2019, 10:32 PM
1103856874154352640

the slow rolling of documents is over.

Winehole23
03-08-2019, 12:19 AM
1103856874154352640

the slow rolling of documents is over.shit is about to get real

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 03:37 AM
1103856874154352640

the slow rolling of documents is over.Oh yeah, NOW that the Republicans control the Senate....

Wait.

What has actually changed, TSA?

Looks like absolutely nothing tbh.

ElNono
03-08-2019, 05:44 AM
"Nadler Campaign Consultant Working on Behalf of Russian Propagandist"

Just...wow. And they point to Trump.

Whataboutism good now

Spurs Homer
03-08-2019, 10:55 AM
Brennan still doing his duty and sounding alarms - but 33% of the country are on Russia's team -

but still...Brennan smells - more indictments;

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/03/08/brennan_i_smell_more_indictments_coming_from_muell er_i_hope_he_uncovers_more.html

TSA
03-08-2019, 02:59 PM
Oh yeah, NOW that the Republicans control the Senate....

Wait.

What has actually changed, TSA?

Looks like absolutely nothing tbh.

poor fella still thinks Rosenstein is running the show

Winehole23
03-08-2019, 03:16 PM
Eh, nm

TSA
03-08-2019, 03:18 PM
From every single indictment and sentencing memo we've seen so far Mueller does as well.
Glenn Greenwald now quoting Undercover Huber while Pavlov still gets no recognition for all his years of shitposting.

1103829674512273409

poor fella

Spurs Homer
03-08-2019, 03:24 PM
lol ^

misinformation

no different than Russian propaganda!

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 03:30 PM
Glenn Greenwald now quoting Undercover Huber while Pavlov still gets no recognition for all his years of shitposting.

1103829674512273409

poor fella:lmao Haven't you gotten your golden pizza award for years of service yet?

poor fella

TSA
03-08-2019, 03:39 PM
lol so butthurt

Spurminator
03-08-2019, 03:43 PM
Glenn Greenwald now quoting Undercover Huber while Pavlov still gets no recognition for all his years of shitposting.

Your lack of self awareness continues to amaze.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 03:43 PM
lol so butthurtlol yes you are

Any more pictures of Q hanging with the Secret Service outside Air Force One, TSA?

Chris
03-08-2019, 04:26 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1104122208316612608

TSA
03-08-2019, 04:27 PM
lol yes you are

Any more pictures of Q hanging with the Secret Service outside Air Force One, TSA?

projecting and deflecting in the same post.

poor fella.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 04:31 PM
projecting and deflecting in the same post.

poor fella.TSA still can't own the fact that he's now the worst conspiracy monger here.

You're worse than Nbadan.

poor fella.

Chris
03-08-2019, 04:49 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1KmXKWXcAAkZo1.png:large

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/special-prosecutor-john-huber-has-a-message-for-americans-bill-barr-and-i-will-hold-offenders-accountable-and-advance-the-rule-of-law/

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 04:55 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1KmXKWXcAAkZo1.png:large

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/special-prosecutor-john-huber-has-a-message-for-americans-bill-barr-and-i-will-hold-offenders-accountable-and-advance-the-rule-of-law/

"Huber has the authority to impanel a grand jury, however it appears he has done nothing since Jeff Sessions appointed him in the Fall of 2017 to investigate FISA abuses."

:lmao

Hoisted upon your own petard.

DMC
03-08-2019, 05:19 PM
didn't take long for Nadler - to be targeted

if Jesus Christ came down from heaven and said he was going to investigate Trumps crimes -

the right wing nazi's would sudenly find "dirt" on JC!


:rollin:rollin

Nazis were socialists (cue the technical arguments from 1st year history dropouts)

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 05:21 PM
Nazis were socialists:lmao

DMC
03-08-2019, 05:23 PM
Nazis were socialists (cue the technical arguments from 1st year history dropouts)


:lmao

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 05:28 PM
Nazis were socialists (cue the technical arguments from 1st year history dropouts)Explain how they were socialists and not fascists.

Technically.

Using your history doctorate.

DMC
03-08-2019, 05:29 PM
Explain how they were socialists and not fascists.

Technically.

Using your history doctorate.

Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.



You guess the author

daboom1
03-08-2019, 05:30 PM
:lol

gotheem! :lol

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 05:32 PM
Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.



You guess the authorSorry, that isn't your explaining how the Nazis are socialists and not fascists.

Let's see what your History PhD says.

Bring it.

Chris
03-08-2019, 05:33 PM
Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.



You guess the author

welp :lol

DMC
03-08-2019, 05:39 PM
Sorry, that isn't your explaining how the Nazis are socialists and not fascists.

Let's see what your History PhD says.

Bring it.

Goebbels himself states they are socialists. Even if they don't match your present day ideal of socialism, they ran on propaganda aimed to appeal to socialists and they took power by doing so. They claimed to be socialists, and the socialists believed them. Ergo they were socialists.

Now again, tell me how technically they weren't since no true Scotsman would ever do what they did and call himself a Scot.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 05:42 PM
Goebbels himself states they are socialists. Even if they don't match your present day ideal of socialism, they ran on propaganda aimed to appeal to socialists and they took power by doing so. They claimed to be socialists, and the socialists believed them. Ergo they were socialists.

Now again, tell me how technically they weren't since no true Scotsman would ever do what they did and call himself a Scot.:lmao you still haven't explained how they were actual socialists and not fascists, professor.

You're really bad at this.

Still waiting for you to bring it.

spurraider21
03-08-2019, 05:49 PM
are fascism and socialism even mutually exclusive?

DMC
03-08-2019, 05:52 PM
:lmao you still haven't explained how they were actual socialists and not fascists, professor.

You're really bad at this.

Still waiting for you to bring it.
No true Scotsman as I predicted

DMC
03-08-2019, 05:55 PM
are fascism and socialism even mutually exclusive?

Not according to Ayn Rand. “Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.”

DMC
03-08-2019, 05:58 PM
Chumpy Googling as we speak :lol

spurraider21
03-08-2019, 05:58 PM
Not according to Ayn Rand. “Fascism, Nazism, Communism and Socialism are only superficial variations of the same monstrous theme—collectivism.”
my general understanding is that socialism is an economic structure (government controlled means of production) and fascism is a political system... authoritarian, single party rule with hypernationalist policy

thats a very cliff notes, dumbed down version, but i dont see why you cant have a fascist government operate under either a socialist, capitalist, or mixed-market economy

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:00 PM
my general understanding is that socialism is an economic structure (government controlled means of production) and fascism is a political system... authoritarian, single party rule with hypernationalist policy

thats a very cliff notes, dumbed down version, but i dont see why you cant have a fascist government operate under either a socialist, capitalist, or mixed-market economy

Nazi Germany controlled the means of production, what they produced, how much and what they would be paid. They had private owners only by name.

spurraider21
03-08-2019, 06:01 PM
Nazi Germany controlled the means of production, what they produced, how much and what they would be paid. They had private owners only by name.
a government-run economy is certainly more worrisome in a non-democratic system. you need the checks and balances.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:03 PM
a government-run economy is certainly more worrisome in a non-democratic system. you need the checks and balances.

They are both worrisome in relation to free market economies and representative democracies.

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:03 PM
Goebbels himself states they are socialists. Even if they don't match your present day ideal of socialism, they ran on propaganda aimed to appeal to socialists and they took power by doing so. They claimed to be socialists, and the socialists believed them. Ergo they were socialists.

Now again, tell me how technically they weren't since no true Scotsman would ever do what they did and call himself a Scot.

They co-opted the rhetoric, to be sure.

But they kept the means of production in private companies, even during the war.

D
uring the period before the war, all companies with the exception of Alkett (which was under the control of Rhine-Metal Borsig, a subsidiary of the government-controlled Hermann Göring Works) were privately owned stock companies with the stock available for purchase by the public. All these companies, with the exception again of Alkett, produced tanks in addition to their normal peacetime manufacture of trucks, locomotives, and other heavy equipment. From 1935 onward, the government progressively increased its control over industries engaged in rearmament. The Nazi Party's Four Year Plan introduced in 1936 placed Hermann Göring in leadership of the state's efforts to bring industry into state control.[13] Through threat and coercion Göring was able to expand the Nazi Party's control of private industry involved in steel and armament production.[14] By 1938, this control included the rationing of essential raw materials, factory inventories, labor hours, rates of pay, working conditions, building and machine tool expansion, plant locations and stock dividends. All companies were forced to join the Economic Board of the tank industry which handled all questions affecting the industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_armored_fighting_vehicle_production_during_ World_War_II

FWIW.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:03 PM
Nazi Germany controlled the means of production, what they produced, how much and what they would be paid. They had private owners only by name.


They co-opted the rhetoric, to be sure.

But they kept the means of production in private companies, even during the war.

D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_armored_fighting_vehicle_production_during_ World_War_II

FWIW.

I already addressed that predicted response.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:05 PM
:lmao

:lmao

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:06 PM
Nazi Germany controlled the means of production, what they produced, how much and what they would be paid. They had private owners only by name.

During the war yes.

So did we.

So did every national government. One can quibble about what "control" means, but the ownership was never fully transferred to the state in most cases.

At some point, though since the government officials were the ones deciding who got the contracts... a certain amount of cronyism crept in. Shocker.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:08 PM
During the war yes.

So did we.

So did every national government. One can quibble about what "control" means, but the ownership was never fully transferred to the state in most cases.

At some point, though since the government officials were the ones deciding who got the contracts... a certain amount of cronyism crept in. Shocker.
No quibbling required. It's right there.

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:09 PM
I already addressed that predicted response.

(shrugs) An attempt to co-opt any disagreement by predicting it? So what?

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:09 PM
(shrugs) An attempt to co-opt any disagreement by predicting it? So what?

The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms (see ad lapidem fallacy).

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:10 PM
I already addressed that predicted response.

Explain to me how socialists give out stock dividends. This should be good.

spurraider21
03-08-2019, 06:13 PM
They are both worrisome in relation to free market economies and representative democracies.
i dont see why an economic system like socialism would be worrying for a representative democracy. they aren't incompatible

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:20 PM
No quibbling required. It's right there.


Messerschmitt AG (German pronunciation: [ˈmɛsɐʃmɪt]) was a German share-ownership limited, aircraft manufacturing corporation named after its chief designer Willy Messerschmitt from mid-July 1938 onwards, and known primarily for its World War II fighter aircraft, in particular the Bf 109 and Me 262. The company survived in the post-war era, undergoing a number of mergers and changing its name from Messerschmitt to Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm before being bought by Deutsche Aerospace (DASA, now part of Airbus) in 1989.

The AG here being "Aktiengesellschaft"

Care to guess what that means in German?

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:20 PM
i dont see why an economic system like socialism would be worrying for a representative democracy. they aren't incompatible

I said "in relation to" not "in conjunction with".

I offered an alternative. Maybe I should have said "compared to". I was putting free market and rep democracies together.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:25 PM
The AG here being "Aktiengesellschaft"

Care to guess what that means in German?

. Messerschmitt relied heavily on slave labour to produce much of the parts needed for these aircraft during the second half of World War II; these parts were assembled in an enormous underground tunnel system in Sankt Georgen an der Gusen, Austria. Slave labour was provided by inmates of the brutal KZ Gusen I and Gusen II camps, and by inmates from nearby Mauthausen concentration camp, all located near the St. Gorgen quarries. 40,000 inmates from Spain, Italy, Poland, Slovenia, France, Russia, Hungarian Jews and twenty other nationalities were murdered during the production of these aircraft at KZ Gusen. Messerschmitt officials maintained barracks at the concentration camp to oversee the work being done by the inmates. Messerschmitt, and its executive Willy Messerschmitt also occupied the famed Villa Tugendhat in Brno, Czech Republic, designed by Mies van der Rohe and Lilly Reich in the 1920s; the Messerschmitt aircraft factory office and the Gestapo occupied the property during the war.

Spurs Homer
03-08-2019, 06:25 PM
Distractions distractions

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:28 PM
Distractions distractions

Next time you want to associate a US political party with Nazis, check which side you're standing on.

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:30 PM
PKW Iv's primary manufacturer:

Friedrich Krupp AG

Again, AG = Aktiengesellschaft

If one's definition of "socialism" is "the state owns means of production" it seems kind of odd to use this term, especially for a people known for precise terminology.

Given the Nazi's turned around and hunted down anyone considered "leftist" including some union organizers, it has always been something of a stretch to call "Nazi's" "socialists". They adopted the sobrequet, but never really bought into the ideology. It was an oligarchy for the most part.

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:31 PM
. Messerschmitt relied heavily on slave labour to produce much of the parts needed for these aircraft during the second half of World War II; these parts were assembled in an enormous underground tunnel system in Sankt Georgen an der Gusen, Austria. Slave labour was provided by inmates of the brutal KZ Gusen I and Gusen II camps, and by inmates from nearby Mauthausen concentration camp, all located near the St. Gorgen quarries. 40,000 inmates from Spain, Italy, Poland, Slovenia, France, Russia, Hungarian Jews and twenty other nationalities were murdered during the production of these aircraft at KZ Gusen. Messerschmitt officials maintained barracks at the concentration camp to oversee the work being done by the inmates. Messerschmitt, and its executive Willy Messerschmitt also occupied the famed Villa Tugendhat in Brno, Czech Republic, designed by Mies van der Rohe and Lilly Reich in the 1920s; the Messerschmitt aircraft factory office and the Gestapo occupied the property during the war.

No arguments from me there. Private companies have used slave labor since there has been slavery.

Have you googled the term Aktiengesellschaft yet?

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:35 PM
Next time you want to associate a US political party with Nazis, check which side you're standing on.


Arrests of Political Opponents
In the months after Hitler took power, SA and Gestapo agents went from door to door looking for Hitler's enemies. They arrested Socialists, Communists, trade union leaders, and others who had spoken out against the Nazi Party; some were murdered. By the summer of 1933, the Nazi Party was the only legal political party in Germany.

Seems like the National Socialist Workers Party didn't like unions. or socialists.

Do you like unions?

TSA
03-08-2019, 06:36 PM
First it was gun control debate now the topic has moved to Nazis. Pavlov cant stop talking about pizza and djohn is no where to be seen. The Russian collusion conspiracy on its last breath.

TSA
03-08-2019, 06:39 PM
1104037072619401217

Why aren’t the board’s Russiagaters calling for Simpson’s indictment?

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 06:44 PM
Why Are We Socialists?

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and regaining German freedom. Socialism, therefore, is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total fighting brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

The bourgeois is about to leave the historical stage. In its place will come the class of productive workers, the working class, that has been up until today oppressed. It is beginning to fulfill its political mission. It is involved in a hard and bitter struggle for political power as it seeks to become part of the national organism. The battle began in the economic realm; it will finish in the political. It is not merely a matter of wages, not only a matter of the number of hours worked in a day — though we may never forget that these are an essential, perhaps even the most significant part of the socialist platform — but it is much more a matter of incorporating a powerful and responsible class in the state, perhaps even to make it the dominant force in the future politics of the fatherland. The bourgeoisie does not want to recognize the strength of the working class. Marxism has forced it into a straitjacket that will ruin it. While the working class gradually disintegrates in the Marxist front, bleeding itself dry, the bourgeoisie and Marxism have agreed on the general lines of capitalism, and see their task now to protect and defend it in various ways, often concealed.

We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality. The worker has a claim to a living standard that corresponds to what he produces. We have no intention of begging for that right. Incorporating him in the state organism is not only a critical matter for him, but for the whole nation. The question is larger than the eight-hour day. It is a matter of forming a new state consciousness that includes every productive citizen. Since the political powers of the day are neither willing nor able to create such a situation, socialism must be fought for. It is a fighting slogan both inwardly and outwardly. It is aimed domestically at the bourgeois parties and Marxism at the same time, because both are sworn enemies of the coming workers’ state. It is directed abroad at all powers that threaten our national existence and thereby the possibility of the coming socialist national state.



You guess the author

Translation:

"I take Goebbels at his word. "


:lmao

Feel free to do so. Better than his words might be looking at what they actually DID.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 06:47 PM
No true Scotsman as I predictedNah. You simply failed.

By your logic OJ isn't a murderer because he says he wasn't and people believed him.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:47 PM
Translation:

"I take Goebbels at his word. "


:lmao

Feel free to do so. Better than his words might be looking at what they actually DID.

All that is explained already.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 06:48 PM
First it was gun control debate now the topic has moved to Nazis. Pavlov cant stop talking about pizza and djohn is no where to be seen. The Russian collusion conspiracy on its last breath.And TSA never ever cared about the security of US elections.

Ever.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:49 PM
Nah. You simply failed.

By your logic OJ isn't a murderer because he says he wasn't and people believed him.

The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms (see ad lapidem fallacy).

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 06:52 PM
The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given. It is not so much a fallacious tactic in argument as it is a refusal to argue in the proper sense of the word, the method instead being to either make assertions with no consideration of objections or to simply dismiss objections by calling them excuses, conjecture, etc. or saying that they are proof of nothing; all without actually demonstrating how the objection fit these terms (see ad lapidem fallacy).
It was your claim and all you did was say you believe Hitler and Goebbels.

Do you take them at their respective words, DMC?

Yes or no.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:53 PM
It was your claim and all you did was say you believe Hitler and Goebbels.

Do you take them at their respective words, DMC?

Yes or no.
Never said that.

When you learn to disagree without lying or needing to paint the opposition as dishonest, let me know.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 06:54 PM
Never said that.

When you learn to disagree without lying or needing to paint the opposition as dishonest, let me know.
Do you believe them?

Yes or no.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:55 PM
Do you believe them?

Yes or no.

The crusaders weren't true Christians. True Christians would never do that.

The bombers weren't true Muslims. True Muslims would never do that.

The failed government wasn't true socialism. True socialism would never do that.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 06:56 PM
The crusaders weren't true Christians. True Christians would never do that.

The bombers weren't true Muslims. True Muslims would never do that.

The failed government wasn't true socialism. True socialism would never do that.

Do you believe them?

Yes or no.

DMC
03-08-2019, 06:58 PM
:lol sticks nose in unprepared
:lol gets shit pushed in
:lol leaves
:lol comes back with repetitive "yes or no" narrative shtick

Good old Chumpy, cannot suffer an L without going into bot mode..

:lmao

Spurs Homer
03-08-2019, 06:59 PM
Next time you want to associate a US political party with Nazis, check which side you're standing on.

i wont stand with the ones caging babies or defending guys marching with torches and chanting nazi garbage

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 07:01 PM
:lol sticks nose in unprepared
:lol gets shit pushed in
:lol leaves
:lol comes back with repetitive "yes or no" narrative shtick

Good old Chumpy, cannot suffer an L without going into bot mode..

:lmao
:lol tough guy unprepared to answer a simple yes or no question

:lmao

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 07:05 PM
say you believe Hitler and Goebbels.



Never said that.

When you learn to disagree without lying or needing to paint the opposition as dishonest, let me know.

Sooooo when you presented a quote from Goebbels saying "we are socialists" to support your assertion that the Nazi's were socialists, you DIDN'T believe him?

Either one or the other. Pick a lane, genyus.

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 07:07 PM
Sooooo when you presented a quote from Goebbels saying "we are socialists" to support your assertion that the Nazi's were socialists, you DIDN'T believe him?

Either one or the other. Pick a lane, genyus.Tough guy will be afraid to answer you too.

Because he's so tough.

:lmao

RandomGuy
03-08-2019, 07:08 PM
:lol tough guy unprepared to answer a simple yes or no question

:lmao

DMC most pointedly does not take stands on anything, not unlike TSA.

Neither's ego can withstand being proven wrong about anything.

That is why DMC most pointedly will not post what the meaning of "Aktiengesellschaft" is in German. Care to take a guess, since your ego isn't tied up on trying to claim the Nazis were really socialists, and not fascist oligarchs?

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 07:10 PM
DMC most pointedly does not take stands on anything, not unlike TSA.

Neither's ego can withstand being proven wrong about anything.

That is why DMC most pointedly will not post what the meaning of "Aktiengesellschaft" is in German. Care to take a guess, since your ego isn't tied up on trying to claim the Nazis were really socialists, and not fascist oligarchs?
Have to plead ignorance on that one.

Looks like we scared the tough guy off.

:lmao DerpMC

DMC
03-08-2019, 07:39 PM
:lmao

:cry "muh socialism"

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 07:41 PM
:lmao

:cry "muh socialism"You never answered the question, tough guy.

Do you believe Hitler and Goebbels' saying the Nazis are socialists?

DarrinS
03-08-2019, 08:03 PM
Nazi

NOUN -- a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Chris
03-08-2019, 08:04 PM
Pooplov getting school :lol

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 10:13 PM
Nazi

NOUN -- a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.


Pooplov getting school :lolDo the two of you also believe Hitler and Goebbels?

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 10:15 PM
Nazi

NOUN -- a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.You take Kim's word that North Korea is a democratic republic.

DMC
03-08-2019, 11:02 PM
DMC most pointedly does not take stands on anything, not unlike TSA.

Neither's ego can withstand being proven wrong about anything.

That is why DMC most pointedly will not post what the meaning of "Aktiengesellschaft" is in German. Care to take a guess, since your ego isn't tied up on trying to claim the Nazis were really socialists, and not fascist oligarchs?

What about this?

zwangswirtschaf

DMC
03-08-2019, 11:09 PM
The second pattern—we may call it the German or Zwangswirtschaft system [4] —differs from the
first one in that it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production,
entrepreneurship, and market exchange. So-called entrepreneurs do the buying and selling, pay the
workers, contract debts and pay interest and amortization. But they are no longer entrepreneurs. In Nazi
Germany they were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming
entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to
whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under
what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices,
wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in
appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each
citizen's income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs
production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but
civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the
capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what
they mean in the market economy.

"Planned Chaos" -Ludwig von Mises

Pavlov
03-08-2019, 11:22 PM
Hey DerpMC, ever get around to deciding whether you believe Hitler and Goebbels?

DMC
03-08-2019, 11:36 PM
Hey DerpMC, ever get around to deciding whether you believe Hitler and Goebbels?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg/750px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg.png


Hint: You're near the bottom

Here's what you're going for:

Guilt by association

Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[9]

:lol Chumpy

Winehole23
03-09-2019, 02:55 AM
Lol debate camp smack.

DMC used to abjure it.

Lol debate cop smack.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 03:07 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg/750px-Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg.png


Hint: You're near the bottom

Here's what you're going for:

Guilt by association

Guilt by association can sometimes also be a type of ad hominem fallacy if the argument attacks a source because of the similarity between the views of someone making an argument and other proponents of the argument.[9]

:lol ChumpyI'm not going for that.

I'm simply asking you if you believe Hitler and Goebbels?

I don't.

Do you?

Avant
03-09-2019, 04:37 AM
I'm not going for that.

I'm simply asking you if you believe Hitler and Goebbels?

I don't.

Do you?

Pavlov....you....as usual, why?

DMC
03-09-2019, 08:15 AM
Lol debate camp smack.

DMC used to abjure it.

Lol debate cop smack.
Lol mercurial Winehole

Lol spastic spatterings

Lol senile shots from the gallery

TSA
03-09-2019, 12:05 PM
1104353474685353984

Spurs Homer
03-09-2019, 04:02 PM
Reading the Bruce Ohr hearing that is available to the public -

confirms what pieces of shit Gowdy and Meadows are -

they are reaching though and when you have the truth on your side and have followed the law in doing your job - it just makes the "investigators investigating the investigators"

look like complete and total - amateurs, crooks, traitors, & corrupt partisan morons.


:lmao:lmao

add to that - idiots like TSA who then read someone's tweet and imply that there was something nefarious at the FBI - and it is plain disgraceful what a cult brainwashing has done to people.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 04:17 PM
1104353474685353984:lol who ever called him a spy?

Spurs Homer
03-09-2019, 04:29 PM
:lol who ever called him a spy?

not to mention - the people he gave info/data to -

were "people close to Putin"

regardless if they were Ukrainian or Russian or Siberian or whatever they throw at the wall -

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 04:33 PM
not to mention - the people he gave info/data to -

were "people close to Putin"

regardless if they were Ukrainian or Russian or Siberian or whatever they throw at the wall -:lol TSA tried to argue that the Ukrainians he worked for hated Russia.

Spurs Homer
03-09-2019, 05:07 PM
:lol TSA tried to argue that the Ukrainians he worked for hated Russia.

always reaching for anything that might stick on the wall

"the spaghetti conspiracists"


still reading Ohr's transcript...


about 100 pages ago - Ohr - answered a question about what info Christopher Steele might have passed on to him...


one of the pieces of info was that

Steele had a source - who told him that "the russian gov't had Trump over a barrel"


100 pages later

Sherlock Gowdy, Inspector Clouseau Gym Jordan or Nazi Mark Meadows -


have not found the time to follow-up and ask a simple question...like...maybe...

"what did he mean? what kind of info did Russia have on Trump? what made this source - believe that Russia's gov't had Trump over a barrel?"

100 pages later -

not a fucking question, not a curiosity, not a tiny bit of due diligence -


but they have asked hundreds of questions about

Ohr's wife
wife's salary
wife taxes
joint or indiv taxes filed
Ohr's notes
strock
page
steeles habits
steeles salary
steeles history
steeles "desperate comment regarding trump"



but

nothing about how and why russia had trump "over a barrel"

zero



:jack:jack

TSA
03-09-2019, 05:34 PM
:lol TSA tried to argue that the Ukrainians he worked for hated Russia.

Is that why Manafort was pushing for them to join the EU?

TSA
03-09-2019, 05:50 PM
not to mention - the people he gave info/data to -

were "people close to Putin"

regardless if they were Ukrainian or Russian or Siberian or whatever they throw at the wall -


The only person with ties “close to Putin” was Christopher Steele and he was lobbying the DOJ through Bruce Ohr to let Deripaska back in the US.

TSA
03-09-2019, 05:53 PM
:lol TSA tried to argue that the Ukrainians he worked for hated Russia.


You really need to read McCarthy’s column as it appears you know fuck all about who Manafort worked for in Ukraine.

TSA
03-09-2019, 05:57 PM
The only person with ties “close to Putin” was Christopher Steele and he was lobbying the DOJ through Bruce Ohr to let Deripaska back in the US.

1104137277587013641

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:01 PM
not to mention - the people he gave info/data to -

were "people close to Putin"

regardless if they were Ukrainian or Russian or Siberian or whatever they throw at the wall -

Kilminik is most likely a Western intelligence asset. Mueller’s team has been fighting hard with the court to keep the information Manafort/Gates provided redacted. Do you ever stop to think why neither Manafort nor Kilminik were charged by Mueller for the sharing of polling data?

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:01 PM
Is that why Manafort was pushing for them to join the EU?Jesus, you're just a disingenuous little punk now.


Ukraine has a sharp political and geographic divide between its pro-Western, Ukrainian-speaking majority and a large Russian minority that looks East.

While other American consultants, both Democratic and Republican, were working on the campaigns of Ukraine's pro-Western "Orange" parties, Manafort was working for a party whose base was in Russian-speaking Eastern Ukraine. Manafort's new bosses were oligarchs friendly to Moscow, and hostile to America's principal military alliance, NATO.

Said [former US ambassador to Ukraine John] Herbst, "They were pro-Russian because that's where their voters were politically and culturally. So they would not have gotten them if they were arguing for NATO — let's join NATO — policies."

Skepticism about NATO had the virtue of appealing to many Ukrainian speakers as well. Nationwide, more than half of the public opposed joining the military alliance.

He could attract pro-Western Ukrainians, meanwhile, by broadcasting his support for European Union membership. Some oligarchs behind the party were eager to do business with Europe anyway.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-did-ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-really-do-ukraine-n775431


Was Viktor Yanukovych pro Russia?

Yes or no.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:02 PM
Kilminik is most likely a Western intelligence asset.According to whom?

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:04 PM
Jesus, you're just a disingenuous little punk now.



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-did-ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-really-do-ukraine-n775431


Was Viktor Yanukovych pro Russia?

Yes or no.

You really need to read McCarthy’s column as it appears you know fuck all about who Manafort worked for in Ukraine. After you read it you’ll realize how a simple yes or no question was naive.

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:05 PM
According to whom?


Evidence submitted to the court Weissmann is fighting to keep redacted.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:07 PM
You really need to read McCarthy’s column as it appears you know fuck all about who Manafort worked for in Ukraine. After you read it you’ll realize how a simple yes or no question was naive.Was Viktor Yanukovych pro Russia?

Yes or no.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:08 PM
Evidence submitted to the court Weissmann is fighting to keep redacted.So, your guess.

Whose guess are you regurgitating here, TSA?

Undercover Huber? Stealth Jeff? Grocer?

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:14 PM
So, your guess.

Whose guess are you regurgitating here, TSA?

Undercover Huber? Stealth Jeff? Grocer?

It’s not a guess it’s from the court filings and the judge’s mouth.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:16 PM
It’s not a guess it’s from the court filings and the judge’s mouth.That he's a western intel asset?

Show me the quote.

Let's see it.

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:16 PM
Was Viktor Yanukovych pro Russia?

Yes or no.You’re nothing but a simpleton who thinks everything is black and white


“Yanukovych’s moment of truth came in late 2013. He was poised to sign the Association Agreement with the EU, a framework for integration. Putin furiously turned up the heat: blocking Ukrainian imports, drastically reducing Ukrainian exports, bleeding billions of trade dollars from Kiev’s economy, threatening to cut off all gas supplies and drive Ukraine into default. Manafort pleaded with his client to stick with the EU. Yanukovych caved, however, declining to enter the Association Agreement and making an alternative pact with Putin to assure gas supplies and financial aid.”

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:17 PM
That he's a western intel asset?

Show me the quote.

Let's see it.


Already posted in this thread. Find it.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:18 PM
Since you're too much of a pussy to say if Viktor Yanukovych was pro Russia, maybe you'll man up and answer this one:

Where is Viktor Yanukovych now?

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:18 PM
Already posted in this thread. Find it.:lmao you're a lying pussy.

There is no document saying he's a western intel asset.

None.

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:20 PM
Since you're too much of a pussy to say if Viktor Yanukovych was pro Russia, maybe you'll man up and answer this one:

Where is Viktor Yanukovych now?

Why would someone who was pro Russia be on the verge of joining the EU?

It’s as if you literally don’t know jack shit about what happened in Ukraine that caused the Euromaiden protests. :lol

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:21 PM
Why would someone who was pro Russia be on the verge of joining the EU?

It’s as if you literally don’t know jack shit about what happened in Ukraine that caused the Euromaiden protests. :lolWhere is Viktor Yanukovych now?

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:22 PM
:lmao you're a lying pussy.

There is no document saying he's a western intel asset.

None.

There are court documents from both Manafort and Gates lawyers claiming such and court documents of the judge asking Weissmann why he is fighting to keep those portions of the court transcripts redacted.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:23 PM
There are court documents from both Manafort and Gates lawyers claiming such and court documents of the judge asking Weissmann why he is fighting to keep those portions of the court transcripts redacted.There is no document saying he's a western intel asset.

None.

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:23 PM
Where is Viktor Yanukovych now?

It’s as if you literally don’t know jack shit about what happened in Ukraine that caused the Euromaiden protests.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:23 PM
It’s as if you literally don’t know jack shit about what happened in Ukraine that caused the Euromaiden protests.Where is Viktor Yanukovych now?

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:24 PM
There is no document saying he's a western intel asset.

None.

There is, came from Manafort/Gates. It’s been posted in this thread.

TSA
03-09-2019, 06:26 PM
There is, came from Manafort/Gates. It’s been posted in this thread.


Have fun searching. Wheels up to South Korea.

I was going to say I was going to miss the back and forth with you while I’m out of country but then I remembered you’re on here 24/7 :rollin

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:27 PM
There is, came from Manafort/Gates. It’s been posted in this thread.:lmao what is their evidence he's a western intel asset?

Did you post that?

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 06:28 PM
Have fun searching. Wheels up to South Korea.

I was going to say I was going to miss the back and forth with you while I’m out of country but then I remembered you’re on here 24/7 :rollin
:lol you'll be a pussy on both sides of the Pacific.

Let me know if you can get the balls to say where Viktor Yanukovych is now.

Otherwise you're done.

Spurs Homer
03-09-2019, 06:29 PM
The only person with ties “close to Putin” was Christopher Steele and he was lobbying the DOJ through Bruce Ohr to let Deripaska back in the US.

Read Ohr's transcript = it is all in there - you will be disappointed!

Funny how you conspiracy whack jobs can retweet some bullshit from some other idiot tweeter whack job - and twist it into some

"nefarious FBI deep state" nonsense


Here is your bullshit conspiracy above - as testified under oath by Ohr -

Steele - while investigating Russian contacts between Russians and Trump campaign officials -

finds some intel that Deripaska might be in the USA - on certain dates - and he gives Ohr a heads up -

IN CASE THE FBI NEEDS OR WANTS TO INTERVIEW DERIPASKA -

ooohhhhh ooooohhhhhhh deep state crimes!!!!!


:rollin:rollin


Every single conspiracy that you peddle begins and ENDS the exact same way -

you throw spaghetti against the wall - and it end up being the same thing -

Patriots in the Dept of Justice doing their job -

and

COVERING THEIR ASS!!!

Until it blows up in the face of idiot traitors like you, Qhris,DoxxMC, etc





and in the face of idiot traitors like

Nunes, Gowdy, Jordan,etc


:rollin:rollin

Spurs Homer
03-09-2019, 06:40 PM
Finished that Ohr transcript - funny -

the "detectives" at the GOP NEVER EVER went back and asked

"how and why - did the source come up with the info that Russia's gov't has Trump over a barrel"

You have a witness under oath. He has received incriminating info on the presidential candidate who became president - possibly with Russia's help -

he testifies that "the russian gov't has trump over a barrel" and says that Steele has sources saying this and that Steele had GOOD REASON to believe his sources were accurate and that

Steele was desperate to stop Trump because he FEARS that this evidence will be corroborated and is true and he fears for the national security of the USA -

Not even HIS FUCKING COUNTRY -
the spy is doing the USA and the FBI a SOLID!

and what happens?


NOBODY in that fucking hearing - follows up on what damaging info Russia has to "have trump over a barrel?"

Does this bother you COMRADE TSA?



:lmao:lmao


People are offended when I throw out the word

TRAITOR -

but someone please tell me how this is not TREASONOUS behavior from the GOP.


Instead -

the traitors go on and on and on about

Nellie Ohr!
Fusion GPS!
Perkins Cooie !
HRC!


fucking treasonous amateur clowns!

TSA
03-09-2019, 09:59 PM
Finished that Ohr transcript - funny -

the "detectives" at the GOP NEVER EVER went back and asked

"how and why - did the source come up with the info that Russia's gov't has Trump over a barrel"

You have a witness under oath. He has received incriminating info on the presidential candidate who became president - possibly with Russia's help -

he testifies that "the russian gov't has trump over a barrel" and says that Steele has sources saying this and that Steele had GOOD REASON to believe his sources were accurate and that

Steele was desperate to stop Trump because he FEARS that this evidence will be corroborated and is true and he fears for the national security of the USA -

Not even HIS FUCKING COUNTRY -
the spy is doing the USA and the FBI a SOLID!

and what happens?


NOBODY in that fucking hearing - follows up on what damaging info Russia has to "have trump over a barrel?"

Does this bother you COMRADE TSA?



:lmao:lmao


People are offended when I throw out the word

TRAITOR -

but someone please tell me how this is not TREASONOUS behavior from the GOP.


Instead -

the traitors go on and on and on about

Nellie Ohr!
Fusion GPS!
Perkins Cooie !
HRC!


fucking treasonous amateur clowns!

You still haven’t explained how all of this treasonous behavior from Trump campaign is never once mentioned by Mueller in any of the indictments or sentencing memos.

TSA
03-09-2019, 10:02 PM
:lol you'll be a pussy on both sides of the Pacific.

Let me know if you can get the balls to say where Viktor Yanukovych is now.

Otherwise you're done.


Asking a question everyone knows the answer to and then thumping your chest as if you’ve accomplished something :lol

Why didn’t Yanukovych sign the agreement with the EU?

What caused the Euromaiden riots?

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 10:12 PM
Asking a question everyone knows the answer to and then thumping your chest as if you’ve accomplished something :lol

Why didn’t Yanukovych sign the agreement with the EU?

What caused the Euromaiden riots?Question pending, TSA.

Where is Yanukovych now?

TSA
03-09-2019, 10:36 PM
Question pending, TSA.

Where is Yanukovych now?

He might still be in Russia now, he might be on vacation in another country. Do you know where Yanukovych is right now?

Why didn’t Yanukovych sign the agreement with the EU?

What caused the Euromaiden riots?

TSA
03-09-2019, 10:40 PM
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poor fella can’t keep all his stories straight

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 10:50 PM
He might still be in Russia now, he might be on vacation in another country. Do you know where Yanukovych is right now?:lmao "vacation"

It's called exile.

In Russia.

You're such a disingenuous little pussy.

TSA
03-09-2019, 10:52 PM
Read Ohr's transcript = it is all in there - you will be disappointed!

Funny how you conspiracy whack jobs can retweet some bullshit from some other idiot tweeter whack job - and twist it into some

"nefarious FBI deep state" nonsense


Here is your bullshit conspiracy above - as testified under oath by Ohr -

Steele - while investigating Russian contacts between Russians and Trump campaign officials -

finds some intel that Deripaska might be in the USA - on certain dates - and he gives Ohr a heads up -

IN CASE THE FBI NEEDS OR WANTS TO INTERVIEW DERIPASKA -

ooohhhhh ooooohhhhhhh deep state crimes!!!!!


:rollin:rollin


Every single conspiracy that you peddle begins and ENDS the exact same way -

you throw spaghetti against the wall - and it end up being the same thing -

Patriots in the Dept of Justice doing their job -

and

COVERING THEIR ASS!!!

Until it blows up in the face of idiot traitors like you, Qhris,DoxxMC, etc





and in the face of idiot traitors like

Nunes, Gowdy, Jordan,etc


:rollin:rollin

These idiot tweeters provide receipts. You just spout unverifiable nonsense and innuendo.
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Chris
03-09-2019, 10:55 PM
IDIOT TRAITORS! GOWDY! GRRR! ARGH!

TSA
03-09-2019, 10:55 PM
:lmao "vacation"

It's called exile.

In Russia.

You're such a disingenuous little pussy.You know for a fact he is in Russia now, at this very moment? yes or no.

Pussies dodge questions and edit them out like they were never asked, like you’re currently doing.

Try again pussy.

Why didn’t Yanukovych sign the agreement with the EU?

What caused the Euromaiden riots?

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:03 PM
You know for a fact he is in Russia now, at this very moment? yes or no.Yes. His going anywhere else in the world would be news.


Pussies dodge questions and edit them out like they were never asked, like you’re currently doing.

Try again pussy.

Why didn’t Yanukovych sign the agreement with the EU?He was always flip flopping back and forth. Putin convinced him not to sign.

His last flop was towards Russia. Where he is right now.


What caused the Euromaiden riots?His not going through with joining the EU and siding with Putin.

Then he fled to Russia, where he is right now.

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:07 PM
Yes. His going anywhere else in the world would be news.

He was always flip flopping back and forth. Putin convinced him not to sign.

His last flop was towards Russia. Where he is right now.

His not going through with joining the EU and siding with Putin.

Then he fled to Russia, where he is right now.

:lol convinced
:lol siding

“blocking Ukrainian imports, drastically reducing Ukrainian exports, bleeding billions of trade dollars from Kiev’s economy, threatening to cut off all gas supplies and drive Ukraine into default. Manafort pleaded with his client to stick with the EU.“

Explain again how Manafort was working as an agent of Russia

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:13 PM
:lol convinced
:lol siding

“blocking Ukrainian imports, drastically reducing Ukrainian exports, bleeding billions of trade dollars from Kiev’s economy, threatening to cut off all gas supplies and drive Ukraine into default. Manafort pleaded with his client to stick with the EU.“

Explain again how Manafort was working as an agent of Russia:lmao straw man.

poor fella has to make up other people's arguments

:lmao "pleaded" isn't even in the source document. Man, you get fooled so easily.

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:16 PM
:lmao straw man.

poor fella has to make up other people's arguments

:lmao "pleaded" isn't even in the source document. Man, you get fooled so easily.

So you were just pretending that Manafort was an agent of Russia for three years?

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:18 PM
:lmao straw man.

poor fella has to make up other people's arguments

:lmao "pleaded" isn't even in the source document. Man, you get fooled so easily.

Also please provide the source documents you are referring to.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:20 PM
So you were just pretending that Manafort was an agent of Russia for three years?Now you're just making shit up.

poor fella

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:20 PM
Also please provide the source documents you are referring to.poor fella can't read the article he posted himself

poor fella

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:21 PM
Straw man.

Dodge.

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:21 PM
poor fella can't read the article he posted himself

poor fella

Another dodge.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:22 PM
Another dodge.poor fella doesn't know where I found the source for the article he posted himself

poor fella

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:23 PM
Dodge.You just made shit up.

Poor fella.

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:28 PM
poor fella doesn't know where I found the source for the article he posted himself

poor fella

TPM doesn’t have any emails to/from Manafort discussing the situation. Those emails are already posted in this thread.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:29 PM
TPM doesn’t have any emails to/from Manafort discussing the situation. Those emails are already posted in this thread.:lmao why did your boy use them as a source then?

poor fella

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:29 PM
You just made shit up.

Poor fella.


Maybe I was mistaken on your position regarding Manafort. Do you believe he was an agent of Russia? yes or no.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:34 PM
Maybe I was mistaken on your position regarding Manafort. Do you believe he was an agent of Russia? yes or no.No.

He certainly proved his willingness to work with agents of Russia. That is beyond even poor fella questioning.

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:44 PM
No.

He certainly proved his willingness to work with agents of Russia. That is beyond even poor fella questioning.

Do you believe Manafort orchestrated the dissemination of the hacked emails and used Page and Cohen as intermediaries? yes or no.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:51 PM
Do you believe Manafort orchestrated the dissemination of the hacked emails and used Page and Cohen as intermediaries? yes or no.:lmao where did this come from?

Whose theory is this?

poor fella is creating things out of thin air now

TSA
03-09-2019, 11:56 PM
:lmao where did this come from?

Whose theory is this?

poor fella is creating things out of thin air now

Dodge. Simple yes or no question. Try again.

Do you believe Manafort orchestrated the dissemination of the hacked emails and used Page and Cohen as intermediaries? yes or no.

Pavlov
03-09-2019, 11:58 PM
Dodge. Simple yes or no question. Try again.

Do you believe Manafort orchestrated the dissemination of the hacked emails and used Page and Cohen as intermediaries? yes or no.No.

Where did this come from?

Whose theory is this?

TSA
03-10-2019, 12:03 AM
No.

Where did this come from?

Whose theory is this?

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Pavlov
03-10-2019, 12:07 AM
Dodge #1.

Where did this come from?

Whose theory is this?

TSA
03-10-2019, 12:14 AM
Dodge #1.

Where did this come from?

Whose theory is this?

The $2000 djohn is going to owe me is going to be nice, but the best part of this failed conspiracy theory is going to be watching you pretend you weren’t 100% invested in it for 3+ years.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 12:16 AM
The $2000 djohn is going to owe me is going to be nice, but the best part of this failed conspiracy theory is going to be watching you pretend you weren’t 100% invested in it for 3+ years.
Dodge #2

Where did this come from?

Whose theory is this?

Chucho
03-10-2019, 12:16 AM
The $2000 djohn is going to owe me is going to be nice, but the best part of this failed conspiracy theory is going to be watching you pretend you weren’t 100% invested in it for 3+ years.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

How much do you wanna bet djohn welches?

Spurs Homer
03-10-2019, 12:16 AM
These idiot tweeters provide receipts. You just spout unverifiable nonsense and innuendo.
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Only idiots like you believe the Dossier is the "main" or "only" reason for the investigation being opened.

FBI would have been reviewing several sources and the Dossier was just ONE of many pieces of evidence

that gave them a basis to open an investigation.

Keep searching though -

it is hilarious to watch you and your idiot conspiracists - look for that smoking gun on the "investigators"

and NEVER look at the actual criminals/traitors!


:lmao:lmao

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 12:18 AM
TSA is puzzling over the fact I have been following the news and not Q.

Spurs Homer
03-10-2019, 12:21 AM
lol

comrade TSA back to...

"muh betz!"

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 12:24 AM
It's just about time for him to adopt a new 4chan conspiracy tbh. He seems restless.

Spurs Homer
03-10-2019, 12:32 AM
Comrade TSA


reduced to


:cheer:cheer

for criminals and traitors

TSA
03-10-2019, 12:39 AM
Only idiots like you believe the Dossier is the "main" or "only" reason for the investigation being opened.

FBI would have been reviewing several sources and the Dossier was just ONE of many pieces of evidence

that gave them a basis to open an investigation.

Keep searching though -

it is hilarious to watch you and your idiot conspiracists - look for that smoking gun on the "investigators"

and NEVER look at the actual criminals/traitors!


:lmao:lmao

I’ve requested things from you many times and you run so I don’t expect anything different this time but I’ll try again for shits and giggles.

What was the “main” reason for opening the investigation?

TSA
03-10-2019, 12:40 AM
How much do you wanna bet djohn welches?

Not a penny

TSA
03-10-2019, 12:46 AM
TSA is puzzling over the fact I have been following the news and not Q.

What has Q been saying about Manafort, Page, and Cohen? (the people we are discussing)

TSA
03-10-2019, 12:49 AM
Only idiots like you believe the Dossier is the "main" or "only" reason for the investigation being opened.

FBI would have been reviewing several sources and the Dossier was just ONE of many pieces of evidence

that gave them a basis to open an investigation.

Keep searching though -

it is hilarious to watch you and your idiot conspiracists - look for that smoking gun on the "investigators"

and NEVER look at the actual criminals/traitors!


:lmao:lmao

McCabe told the committee that "no surveillance warrant would have been sought" were it not for the information from the dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele. The memo said the dossier information was "essential" in acquiring the warrants to monitor Page.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 12:53 AM
What has Q been saying about Manafort, Page, and Cohen? (the people we are discussing)You are the one who followed Q thinking he was legit.

Sorry TSA. You're gullible and need to be reminded.
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

Spurs Homer
03-10-2019, 01:05 AM
I’ve requested things from you many times and you run so I don’t expect anything different this time but I’ll try again for shits and giggles.

What was the “main” reason for opening the investigation?

GTFO of here -

its been like two fucking months that I asked you to answer this simple question:

Why do you defend the guy that defends the country that attacked the USA and the 2016 elections?

Why do you defend the guy that stood in front of the world in Helsinki and said - "I believe Putin"

TSA
03-10-2019, 01:34 AM
You are the one who followed Q thinking he was legit.

Sorry TSA. You're gullible and need to be reminded.
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

Sorry Pavlov, but you brought up Q. Be a man or dodge, again.

What has Q been saying about Manafort, Page, and Cohen? (the people we are discussing)

TSA
03-10-2019, 01:39 AM
GTFO of here -

its been like two fucking months that I asked you to answer this simple question:

Why do you defend the guy that defends the country that attacked the USA and the 2016 elections?

Why do you defend the guy that stood in front of the world in Helsinki and said - "I believe Putin"


Trumps the worst “Russian puppet” to have ever been installed. Everything below sourced for your entertainment.



Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019

———————————


Again, what was the “main” reason for opening the investigation?

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 01:40 AM
Sorry Pavlov, but you brought up Q. Be a man or dodge, again.

What has Q been saying about Manafort, Page, and Cohen? (the people we are discussing)I don't know.

Maybe you do if you're still following Q and thinking he's legit.

Do you still follow Q and think he's legit?

TSA
03-10-2019, 01:41 AM
TSA is puzzling over the fact I have been following the news and not Q.

What has “the news” been telling you for three years?

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 01:45 AM
What has “the news” been telling you for three years?That there is an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and that Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager attempted to work with Russian agents to get information on Hillary.

What did 4chan tell you?

What did Q tell you?

I know it pisses you off to have them waved in your face but tough shit. You bought into them.

TSA
03-10-2019, 01:47 AM
I don't know.

Maybe you do if you're still following Q and thinking he's legit.

Do you still follow Q and think he's legit?

I didn’t bring up Q while discussing Manafort, you did. If there was no basis why even bring it up?

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 01:48 AM
I didn’t bring up Q while discussing Manafort, you did. If there was no basis why even bring it up?I wouldn't doubt Q has mentioned Manafort at least once. You don't follow Q anymore?

TSA
03-10-2019, 01:50 AM
That there is an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and that Trump's son, son-in-law and campaign manager attempted to work with Russian agents to get information on Hillary.

What did 4chan tell you?

What did Q tell you?

I know it pisses you off to have them waved in your face but tough shit. You bought into them.

What news do you watch? The news I watch has gone much further than that.

TSA
03-10-2019, 01:51 AM
I wouldn't doubt Q has mentioned Manafort at least once. You don't follow Q anymore?

I didn’t bring up Q while discussing Manafort, you did. If there was no basis why even bring it up?

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 01:51 AM
What news do you watch? The news I watch has gone much further than that.I gave you an overview of why I follow this story, TSA.

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 01:52 AM
I didn’t bring up Q while discussing Manafort, you did. If there was no basis why even bring it up?I just told you why. Q talked about all manner of things from what I've seen.

I asked you if you follow him anymore.

Do you?

TSA
03-10-2019, 01:56 AM
I gave you an overview of why I follow this story, TSA.

oh yeah how could I forget your thousands of posts concerning Russian Facebook ads and Russian trolls

https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 01:57 AM
oh yeah how could I forget your thousands of posts concerning Russian Facebook ads and Russian trollsSorry. I told you my theory over and over and you jumped from pizza to Q to Kim DotCom to Undercover Huber.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

What made you give up on pizza and Q?

TSA
03-10-2019, 02:07 AM
Sorry. I told you my theory over and over and you jumped from pizza to Q to Kim DotCom to Undercover Huber.

https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif

What made you give up on pizza and Q?

What percentage of your “theory” do you think your posts in this thread represent? I’m going with less than 1%.

TSA
03-10-2019, 02:07 AM
I just told you why. Q talked about all manner of things from what I've seen.

I asked you if you follow him anymore.

Do you?

You have been prepared for what is about to take place.
DARK TO LIGHT.
ENJOY THE SHOW!
WWG1WGA!!!
Q

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 02:08 AM
What percentage of your “theory” do you think your posts in this thread represent? I’m going with less than 1%.Much more than that.

What made you give up on pizza and Q?

Pavlov
03-10-2019, 02:08 AM
You have been prepared for what is about to take place.
DARK TO LIGHT.
ENJOY THE SHOW!
WWG1WGA!!!
QI asked you if you follow him anymore.

Do you?

Spurs Homer
03-10-2019, 02:48 AM
Trumps the worst “Russian puppet” to have ever been installed. Everything below sourced for your entertainment.



Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019

———————————


Again, what was the “main” reason for opening the investigation?

non answer

why do you defend the guy who sides with the enemy who attacked the usa?

why do you defend the guy who never ever ever
responded with anger at the enemy who attacked the usa?

why are you ok with the guy who - not once - wondered why russia attacked the usa and did absolutely nothing in response or retaliation?

because he was in on the attack
he helped and encouraged an attack on our country.

nothing you throw against the wall in defense of this traitor - can ever change those facts.

Spurs Homer
03-10-2019, 02:36 PM
Response to questions;

crickets

Spurs Homer
03-10-2019, 03:26 PM
Erik Prince - ooops! -

When you lie and lie and lie -
someday - you will trip yourself up - when just having a normal conversation and then are asked a question and you aren't careful -

you just might trip yourself up and land in....


a perjury trap! (of your own making lololol)

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/08/erik-prince-trump-mehdi-hasan/

TSA
03-11-2019, 12:12 AM
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where has Reck gone btw

Chucho
03-11-2019, 12:19 AM
1104782349223555073

where has Reck gone btw

What would that reckoning be?

Chumpette
03-11-2019, 12:50 AM
I asked you if you follow him anymore.

Do you?

:lol Q

TSA
03-11-2019, 04:56 AM
Trumps the worst “Russian puppet” to have ever been installed. Everything below sourced for your entertainment.



Trump deploys TANKS to Estonia as NATO builds up HUGE army on Russian border - Express, Feb 7 2017

Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles - CNBC, Apr 6 2017

U.S. Rejects Exxon Mobil Bid for Waiver on Russia Sanctions - NYT, Apr 21 2017

Trump to promote U.S. natgas exports in Russia's backyard - Reuters, Jul 3 2017

Trump Urges East Europe to Loosen Russia's Grip With U.S. Gas - Bloomberg, Jul 6 2017

Trump signs bill approving new sanctions against Russia - CNN, Aug 3, 2017

Justice Dept Asks Russia's RT to Register as Foreign Agent - Newsmax, Sep 13 2017

US 'to restrict Russian military flights over America' - Independent, Sep 26 2017

Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software - Reuters, Dec 12 2017

Trump gives green light to selling lethal arms to Ukraine - The Hill, Dec 20 2017

U.S. Punishes Chechen Leader in New Sanctions Against Russians - NYT, Dec 20 2017

Sputnik Partner 'Required To Register' Under U.S. Foreign-Agent Law - RFERL, Jan 10 2018

Trump says Russia is helping North Korea avoid sanctions - CBSNews, Jan 17 2018

Trump's 'energy dominance' strategy is undercutting Russia's influence and business in Europe - Reuters, Feb 9 2018

Trump looks to deter Russia, China with $686B ask for Pentagon - The Hill, Feb 12 2018

American General In Syria Confirms US Forces Killed Hundreds Of Russians In Massive Battle - The Drive, Mar 16 2018

Trump orders expulsion of 60 Russian diplomats, closure of Seattle consulate - CBS, Mar 26 2018

Trump vows periodical dispatch of US troops to Baltic states, step up air defense - Lithuania Tribune, Apr 3 2018

Trump opposes Nord Stream II, questions Germany - AA, Apr 4 2018

Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet - Vice, Apr 6 2018

Trump orders missile strike on Syria military targets - CBSNews, Apr 9 2018

Aluminum Stocks Jump As Trump Sanctions Target Putin Pal - Investors, Apr 9 2018

Russia ‘deeply disappointed’ at Trump’s withdrawal from Iran deal - Times of Israel, May 9 2018

Trump to NATO allies: Raise military spending to 4 percent of GDP - AlJazeerah, Jul 12 2018

Trump says U.S. ties to NATO ‘very strong’ - Politico, Jul 12 2018

U.S. to sanction Turkey for receiving S-400 missiles - Ahval, Jul 27 2018

Trump administration to hit Russia with new sanctions for Skripal poisoning - NBC News Aug 8 2018

Space Force Is Trump’s Answer to New Russian and Chinese Weapons - FP, Aug 10 2018

US Sanctions Chinese Entity Over Purchase of Russian Fighters, S-400s – Treasury - Sputnik, Sep 20 2018

Trump hints at punitive action against India for buying S-400 from Russia - India Today, Oct 11 2018

Trump Agrees to Boost Pentagon's Budget to $750 Bln in 2019 - Reports - Sputnik, Oct 12 2018

Trump says US will withdraw from nuclear arms treaty with Russia - Guardian, Oct 21 2018

Haley Condemns ‘Outrageous’ Russian Firing on Ukrainian Ships - Bloomberg, Nov 26 2018

2 Trump Moves Cost This Russian-American CEO $2.3B - Forbes, Jan 14 2019



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Spurs Homer
03-11-2019, 10:10 AM
1104976839599112193



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812

RandomGuy
03-11-2019, 03:44 PM
What has Q been saying about Manafort, Page, and Cohen? (the people we are discussing)

???

I have no idea. What has Q been saying? Do you have a readers digest version?

Chris
03-11-2019, 04:29 PM
Looks like someone got a look at det Mueller report :lol
TSA


https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1105212304315027459

koriwhat
03-11-2019, 04:32 PM
Looks like someone got a look at det Mueller report :lol
TSA


https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1105212304315027459

lmao

now lets get the reverse SC to investigate the connections between the dem party and russia because there's plenty of evidence to suggest collusion with the reps of that party for sure.

Pavlov
03-11-2019, 04:32 PM
Looks like someone got a look at det Mueller report :lol
TSA


https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1105212304315027459:lmao can't even quote the whole sentence.

Pavlov
03-11-2019, 04:32 PM
lmao

now lets get the reverse SC to investigate the connections between the dem party and russia because there's plenty of evidence to suggest collusion with the reps of that party for sure.What evidence is that?

Now meltdown about not answering instead of just answering.

Chris
03-11-2019, 04:36 PM
lmao

now lets get the reverse SC to investigate the connections between the dem party and russia because there's plenty of evidence to suggest collusion with the reps of that party for sure.

Already happening. Huber is investigating the Clinton Foundation, and Horowitz is investigating the DNC/DOJ/FBI connections.

Pavlov
03-11-2019, 04:38 PM
Already happening. Huber is investigating the Clinton Foundation, and Horowitz is investigating the DNC/DOJ/FBI connections.Actually they are not.

They are reviewing what the FBI did in each case.

koriwhat
03-11-2019, 04:38 PM
What evidence is that?

Now meltdown about not answering instead of just answering.

i don't have to answer nothing you ask of me but sure...

clinton speeches.... ukranian ties.... russian lawyer getting a pass on her passport while dealing with clinton lawyers and fusiongps, using an X'ed fbi confidant in steele.... and so fucking much more it's insane. we'll see who comes out on top when all is said and done... you just sit back and stroke you ego some more in the mean time why don't you.

Pavlov
03-11-2019, 04:40 PM
i don't have to answer nothing you ask of me but sure...

clinton speeches.... ukranian ties.... russian lawyer getting a pass on her passport while dealing with clinton lawyers and fusiongps, using an X'ed fbi confidant in steele.... and so fucking much more it's insane. we'll see who comes out on top when all is said and done... you just sit back and stroke you ego some more in the mean time why don't you.:lol "it's insane"

You couldn't tie those buzzwords into a workable narrative if you tried.

Spurs Homer
03-11-2019, 06:09 PM
i don't have to answer nothing you ask of me but sure...

clinton speeches.... ukranian ties.... russian lawyer getting a pass on her passport while dealing with clinton lawyers and fusiongps, using an X'ed fbi confidant in steele.... and so fucking much more it's insane. we'll see who comes out on top when all is said and done... you just sit back and stroke you ego some more in the mean time why don't you.


wow!

no one knows what that means...

but it sounds so illegal!!

koriwhat
03-11-2019, 06:20 PM
wow!

no one knows what that means...

but it sounds so illegal!!

i wouldn't expect you to understand anything at all tbh.

RandomGuy
03-11-2019, 06:24 PM
What evidence is that?

Now meltdown about not answering instead of just answering.


I don’t think [Trump is fit to be president]. I mean, ethically unfit. Intellectually unfit. Curiosity-wise unfit. No, I don’t think he’s fit to be president of the United States. And that’s up to us to make the contrast to show that this president — while he may be appealing to you on your insecurity and therefore your xenophobia, whether it’s globalization or immigrants — is fighting clean air for your children to breathe, clean water for them to drink, food safety, every good thing that we should be doing that people can’t do for themselves. You know, I have five kids, and I think I can do everything for them, but I can’t control the air they breathe, the water that they drink. You depend on the public sector to do certain things for the health and well-being of your family, and he is counter to that.

But again, this is coming across too negatively. I don’t usually talk about him this much. This is the most I’ve probably talked about him. I hardly ever talk about him. You know, it’s not about him. It’s about what we can do for the people to lower health-care costs, bigger paychecks, cleaner government.

(from linked wapo article)




I don’t think [people who want me to go after Hillary] will be disappointed. I think I will explain it, that we have to, in many ways save our country.

Because our country’s really in bad, big trouble. We have a lot of trouble. A lot of problems. And one of the big problems, I talk about, divisiveness. I think that a lot of people will appreciate … I’m not doing it for that reason. I’m doing it because it’s time to go in a different direction. There was a lot of pain, and I think that the people that supported me with such enthusiasm, where they will show up at 1 in the morning to hear a speech.

It was actually Election Day, they showed up at, so that was essentially Election Day. Yeah, I think they’d understand very completely.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html


RUMP: No, because it’s a very big job and there is a lot to do. And I would say that I would really start focusing — you know, we’ve done a lot on health care, and people haven’t given us too much credit. We have a lot of the different plans, the cooperative plans and other plans. Health care was terminated, and if the Obamacare were repealed and replaced — except for John McCain, it would have been, you know, he campaigned against it for six years, and then when he had the chance, he went thumbs down at 2:00 in the morning.

Um, but, I believe it’s going to be terminated, whether it be through the Texas case, which is going through the court system as a victory right now, because of, you know, the various elements of that case, you would think it would have to be terminated. But a deal will be made for good health care in this country. That’s one of the things I’ll be doing.

National security is very important and we’re fighting over — a very important element is the southern border. When we talk about drugs coming from China, the fentanyl — you look at the heroin and a lot of the other drugs, they come from — 90 percent, more than 90 percent — from right across the southern border. And unlike what the Democrats say, they don’t, you don’t bring trucks of drugs through the checkpoints. You bring trucks of drugs by making a right 20 miles, and a left into the country. They’re not bringing, you know, they bring massive amounts of drugs, and they do it because there’s no barrier, there’s no hardened wall that you can’t knock down with your breath.

So, Maggie, here’s the bottom line: I love doing it. I don’t know if i should love doing it, but I love doing it.

We just had a deal —and I was so looking forward to introducing you because it was very impressive. You know the whole — this room was totally, it was a sea of seats, we had the entire cabinet. They are very impressive people, and I had it all teed up and I said, “Where are they?” Right? I said, “Where the hell are they?”

Interesting contrast between the two. One can string together coherent sentences, and one can't.

No wonder she is pwning him.

Chris
03-11-2019, 06:36 PM
https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1104908785192235008

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F38.media.tumblr.com%2Fde263ce1b45 9907ecab24f46957fab80%2Ftumblr_mgn8idQ1jZ1rmc2rso1 _400.gif&f=1

Pavlov
03-11-2019, 06:40 PM
https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1104908785192235008

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F38.media.tumblr.com%2Fde263ce1b45 9907ecab24f46957fab80%2Ftumblr_mgn8idQ1jZ1rmc2rso1 _400.gif&f=1They didn't know Manafort worked for Yanukovych?

spurraider21
03-11-2019, 06:42 PM
:lmao re-hashing january 2017 articles

Chris
03-11-2019, 09:59 PM
https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1105252673954168832

DarrinS
03-11-2019, 10:06 PM
Sad trombone

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So much for "evidence in plain sight". :lol

Pavlov
03-11-2019, 10:08 PM
https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1105252673954168832TICK-TOCK

TSA
03-12-2019, 01:41 AM
Sad trombone

1105221091860115457


So much for "evidence in plain sight". :lol

Add Nadler to the list

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The Cohen heading backfired :lol

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Pavlov
03-12-2019, 01:56 AM
Add Nadler to the list

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The Cohen heading backfired :lol

1104741533964795906Thirty-seven percent of registered voters contacted Feb. 28 and March 1 for The Hill-HarrisX poll said they found Cohen's testimony credible, compared to 25 percent who said they did not find him credible.

Thirty-nine percent said they had not yet formed an opinion of Cohen’s testimony.


Oh.

TSA
03-12-2019, 02:45 AM
Thirty-seven percent of registered voters contacted Feb. 28 and March 1 for The Hill-HarrisX poll said they found Cohen's testimony credible, compared to 25 percent who said they did not find him credible.

Thirty-nine percent said they had not yet formed an opinion of Cohen’s testimony.


Oh.

Get some sleep my dude

Pavlov
03-12-2019, 02:46 AM
Get some sleep my dudeKind of killed the fun, didn't it?

Sorry.

TSA
03-12-2019, 02:47 AM
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First Glenn Greenwald is quoting Undercover Huber and now NYT is giving Cuck Ross props :lol

TSA
03-12-2019, 02:50 AM
Kind of killed the fun, didn't it?

Sorry.

Nothing you can do will kill my fun while the Russia collusion crumbles week by week. The Cohen testimony was a disaster for Dems. Now you’ve got Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler backing away from impeachment.

Pavlov
03-12-2019, 02:51 AM
Nothing you can do will kill my fun while the Russia collusion crumbles week by week. The Cohen testimony was a disaster for Dems. Now you’ve got Pelosi, Schiff, and Nadler backing away from impeachment.:lmao you think they would seriously consider impeachment right now?

Jesus, you're getting more insane by the post.

TSA
03-12-2019, 02:55 AM
:lmao you think they would seriously consider impeachment right now?

Jesus, you're getting more insane by the post.

You act like Dems haven’t already introduced them. You should really call it a night. Sleep tight, don’t let the Russian bed bugs bite.

Pavlov
03-12-2019, 02:58 AM
You act like Dems haven’t already introduced them.You act like Dems = Pelosi.

You should really find a new conspiracy theory to latch onto. I guess it's hard to start over when you lead with child fucking and devil worship.

TSA
03-12-2019, 08:06 AM
You act like Dems = Pelosi.

You should really find a new conspiracy theory to latch onto. I guess it's hard to start over when you lead with child fucking and devil worship.

What new screen name are you going to change to for your next conspiracy theory Pavlov? Your Russian one is dead.

TSA
03-12-2019, 08:51 AM
Looks like someone got a look at det Mueller report :lol
TSA


https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1105212304315027459

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:lol

Spurs Homer
03-12-2019, 09:04 AM
Pelosi with the chess move.

Traitors defending the criminal traitors are celebrating.

Reeks of desperation to salvage any kind of "media win"

Too bad this will be decided in the courts - not in the media.

Only reinforces what the country knows;

A white president will not be impeached even after committing crimes in office- because traitors refuse to hold him accountable.
A BLACK president would have been impeached a year ago for LESS than this.

Solid move by Pelosi to give her investigators cover - so they can continue to gather all the evidence of all the crimes - then right around the time that the elections are gearing up -

the country can have ALL of Trumps fuckery on display!


:lmao:lmao

TSA
03-12-2019, 09:11 AM
Pelosi with the chess move.

Traitors defending the criminal traitors are celebrating.

Reeks of desperation to salvage any kind of "media win"

Too bad this will be decided in the courts - not in the media.

Only reinforces what the country knows;

A white president will not be impeached even after committing crimes in office- because traitors refuse to hold him accountable.
A BLACK president would have been impeached a year ago for LESS than this.

Solid move by Pelosi to give her investigators cover - so they can continue to gather all the evidence of all the crimes - then right around the time that the elections are gearing up -

the country can have ALL of Trumps fuckery on display!


:lmao:lmao

poor fella has lost all faith in Mueller. Sad.

TSA
03-12-2019, 09:12 AM
Pelosi with the chess move.

Traitors defending the criminal traitors are celebrating.

Reeks of desperation to salvage any kind of "media win"

Too bad this will be decided in the courts - not in the media.

Only reinforces what the country knows;

A white president will not be impeached even after committing crimes in office- because traitors refuse to hold him accountable.
A BLACK president would have been impeached a year ago for LESS than this.

Solid move by Pelosi to give her investigators cover - so they can continue to gather all the evidence of all the crimes - then right around the time that the elections are gearing up -

the country can have ALL of Trumps fuckery on display!


:lmao:lmao

And :lmao @ Pelosi’s super secret investigators

Spurs Homer
03-12-2019, 09:20 AM
Comrade TSA with two worried replies.

Comrade TSA lost faith in pizzagate - no?


:lmao:lmao

TSA
03-12-2019, 09:42 AM
Pelosi with the chess move.

Traitors defending the criminal traitors are celebrating.

Reeks of desperation to salvage any kind of "media win"

Too bad this will be decided in the courts - not in the media.

Only reinforces what the country knows;

A white president will not be impeached even after committing crimes in office- because traitors refuse to hold him accountable.
A BLACK president would have been impeached a year ago for LESS than this.

Solid move by Pelosi to give her investigators cover - so they can continue to gather all the evidence of all the crimes - then right around the time that the elections are gearing up -

the country can have ALL of Trumps fuckery on display!


:lmao:lmao

Solid Pelosi 4D chess move cover for the secret investigators :rollin

House Democrats launch massive obstruction of justice and corruption probe aimed at Trump

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/4/18250095/trump-investigations-house-judiciary-documents-obstruction

TSA
03-12-2019, 09:44 AM
Comrade TSA with two worried replies.

Comrade TSA lost faith in pizzagate - no?


:lmao:lmao

I was just about to point out the nervous laughter. And then it dawned on me, no one creates an account this late into the game and goes as full retard as you have. You’re a pretty genius faux Russiagate troll, I just can’t figure out who you are.

Pavlov
03-12-2019, 10:11 AM
What new screen name are you going to change to for your next conspiracy theory Pavlov? Your Russian one is dead.
I already said what I'm doing with my screen name.

Are you going to make new alts based on my screen name?

spurraider21
03-12-2019, 10:25 AM
And :lmao @ Pelosi’s super secret investigators
Is it as secretive as stealth Jeff or undercover Huber?

Spurs Homer
03-12-2019, 10:26 AM
Solid Pelosi 4D chess move cover for the secret investigators :rollin

House Democrats launch massive obstruction of justice and corruption probe aimed at Trump

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/4/18250095/trump-investigations-house-judiciary-documents-obstruction

Comrade -

I did not say "secret investigators" (that is how conspiracy tards think)

I said cover -

so that the investigations can continue without all these idiot reporters and conspiracy theorists like you can back off and the investigations can continue -

Pelosi will take the heat - and the investigations can continue unimpeded by panicked Trump traitor defenders like you.

And

No one lost confidence in Mueller - but here is the truth; the facts;

There are two reasons why Mueller will not confront Trump and force him to testify under oath:

1) Due to any kind of pressure from any of Trumps henchmen - and this WILL be a travesty of justice. If this is the reason that Mueller does not force the issue - JUSTICE will NOT have been served.

2) Mueller already has more than enough evidence to indict Trump - or to refer him to be indicted from another district like the SDNY - and he has decided to prosecute without Trump's testimony.

You better hope - as all traitors who are on Russia's side -

You better pray that it is #1 - because that is the only way that your hero gets off - for now -
(he will still be prosecuted after he leaves office though - too bad for you russian sympathizers)

Pavlov
03-12-2019, 10:29 AM
Is it as secretive as stealth Jeff or undercover Huber?

:lol where could the can be kicked after that?

Spurs Homer
03-12-2019, 11:26 AM
:lol where could the can be kicked after that?

Trump semen shielders disappointed that Dems refuse to fall into the "impeachment trap"


How low is the bar now - that the best they can hope for is that Trump gets impeached and the Senate refuse to convict -

but not because he is innocent - but "because of red team/blue team"

how telling that

ZERO trump semen shielders EVER mention that he is just

innocent of any crimes.

:lmao:lmao

spurraider21
03-12-2019, 11:29 AM
i think spurs homer is more nuts than booboo, just without the raging temper

boutons_deux
03-12-2019, 12:09 PM
Trash's budget funds Mueller for another year LOL

Spurs Homer
03-12-2019, 12:22 PM
i think spurs homer is more nuts than booboo, just without the raging temper

Don't know who booboo is and...

yeah it really is nutz -

to want criminals prosecuted, traitors exposed and removed and the rule of law to prevail.

Really nutz to want to defend your country and call out sleeping people who continue to sleep while Russia/Trump destroys the usa from within.

I will take the "nut" label if this is where we are at.

RandomGuy
03-12-2019, 12:52 PM
Trump semen shielders disappointed that Dems refuse to fall into the "impeachment trap"


How low is the bar now - that the best they can hope for is that Trump gets impeached and the Senate refuse to convict -

but not because he is innocent - but "because of red team/blue team"

how telling that

ZERO trump semen shielders EVER mention that he is just

innocent of any crimes.

:lmao:lmao

Interesting thing that someone brought up is that if Trump stays... he gets to campaign on his record. He is such a shitbag, that having his name on the top of the ticket means Dems keep or add to their majority in time for the 2020 census district redrawing, as well as having a decent chance of taking the Senate. (Trump party has to defend far more seats in 2020 than the Dems)

Keeping Trump means that either the Trump party officials have to embrace him, or distance themselves trying to be Republicans again. either way it leads to infighting.