Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Pavlov]

Obvious pizza blacks hack Macron to hurt him right before election and frame innocent Mother Russia at same time. Make perfect sense.

[TSA]

Let's get something on the table.

Not answering it. You chose not to answer mine. That shit goes both ways.

I really, truly don't give a shit about this made up outrage you are trying to push to deflect from Trumps many, many, flaws. It is a little sad.

The thing about bullshit conspiracy theories is that they are so easy to poke holes in.

Bullshit conspiracy theorists also tend to overwhelmingly be sophists, who make bad arguments, distort things, and never, ever, admit the faults in their arguments.

That is how you detect bullshit.

When you repeatedly dodge direct questions, you get to sit in the same box as Cosmored, with good reason. Congratulations TSA, you get to sit in the corner with the guy who thinks the moon landings were faked. You two have a nice chat.

I answered your question you whiny little bitch. You must have missed it while you were busy spamming every thread having to do with Russia.

You are correct about it being easy to poke holes in conspiracy theories, that's why it's so amusing to ask you to provide evidence of Trump/Russia collusion and watch you shoot blanks every single time.

You're so wound up over this you don't even realize you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. Calm down and get a grip, and stop spamming up the forum with the same post over and over.

Once again, why do you think the Obama administration would move materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” to the Obama Library?

[TSA]

TSA ignores the Russian election interference for the same reason that Trump and Breitbart does: mindless partisanship. At least Trump is partisan to himself. What's TSA's reasoning?

If you man up and take me off ignore I'd be happy to answer.

[Thread]

TSA ignores the Russian election interference for the same reason that Trump and Breitbart does: mindless partisanship. At least Trump is partisan to himself. What's TSA's reasoning?

Where's the proof? It's all bullshit like Climate Change & Global Warming. Just another revenue/power stream, a rallying point, ignition to keep the populace on edge, a boogeyman that is plain and easily understood by the unwashed. The elite shoving it to us, and stupid fuckin' us, we'll latch on to 50%-75% clip. Fuck, they know this. It's never failed them.

[spurraider21]

Where's the proof? It's all bullshit like Climate Change & Global Warming. Just another revenue/power stream, a rallying point, ignition to keep the populace on edge, a boogeyman that is plain and easily understood by the unwashed. The elite shoving it to us, and stupid fuckin' us, we'll latch on to 50%-75% clip. Fuck, they know this. It's never failed them.Guy constantly bantering on about muslims is now complaining about a boogeyman meant to keep the populace on edge.

And i'll just bet you thought tobacco/cancer was just a bullshit revenue stream. That and lead paint.

[Adam Lambert]

It's all bullshit like fear of refugees, voter fraud, homos, muslims, socialism, loss of coal jobs, political correctness, liberal media, and the clinton foundation. Just another revenue/power stream, a rallying point, ignition to keep the populace on edge, a boogeyman that is plain and easily understood by the unwashed. The elite shoving it to us, and stupid fuckin' us, we'll latch on to 50%-75% clip. Fuck, they know this. It's never failed them.

Cumby

[RandomGuy]

I answered your question you whiny little bitch. You must have missed it while you were busy spamming every thread having to do with Russia.

You are correct about it being easy to poke holes in conspiracy theories, that's why it's so amusing to ask you to provide evidence of Trump/Russia collusion and watch you shoot blanks every single time.

You're so wound up over this you don't even realize you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. Calm down and get a grip, and stop spamming up the forum with the same post over and over.

Once again, why do you think the Obama administration would move materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” to the Obama Library?

I answered your question you whiny little bitch. You must have missed it while you were busy spamming every thread having to do with Russia.

You are correct about it being easy to poke holes in conspiracy theories, that's why it's so amusing to ask you to provide evidence of Trump criticizing Russia and watch you shoot blanks every single time.

You're so wound up over this you don't even realize you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. Calm down and get a grip, and stop spamming up the forum with the same post over and over.

[TSA]

I answered your question you whiny little bitch. You must have missed it while you were busy spamming every thread having to do with Russia.

You are correct about it being easy to poke holes in conspiracy theories, that's why it's so amusing to ask you to provide evidence of Trump criticizing Russia and watch you shoot blanks every single time.

You're so wound up over this you don't even realize you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. Calm down and get a grip, and stop spamming up the forum with the same post over and over.

Nice try on the copy/paste, but I haven't been spamming the forum with the same post over and over. You're so wound up you didn't even realize this.



Maybe their archivists decided that it would be better catalogued there.

You did answer my question but did you answer it honestly or were you being sarcastic?

[Pavlov]

Once again, why do you think the Obama administration would move materials regarding the unmasking by Obama National Security Advisor Susan Rice of “the identities of any U.S. citizens associated with the Trump presidential campaign or transition team” to the Obama Library?That where administration papers go after term. Congress or D of the J or Mueller can get if they want.

[Adam Lambert]

That where administration papers go after term. Congress or D of the J or Mueller can get if they want.

you dont understand, they hid them in the secret library basement which can only be accessed through a secret labyrinth whose entrance is known to only barack hussein obama himself

[Pavlov]

you dont understand, they hid them in the secret library basement which can only be accessed through a secret labyrinth whose entrance is known to only barack hussein obama himselfTSA get smilie rebutt ready.

[TSA]

you dont understand, they hid them in the secret library basement which can only be accessed through a secret labyrinth whose entrance is known to only barack hussein obama himself

they shielded them from FOIA requests, nothing shady about that.

[Adam Lambert]

they shielded them from FOIA requests, nothing shady about that.

yeah i cant imagine why theyd want to protect the identities of people they unmasked.

[TSA]

yeah i cant imagine why theyd want to protect the identities of people they unmasked.

they were so worried about protecting the identities of people they unmasked that they illegally disseminated them throughout the White House to leak to the press :rollin

[Pavlov]

they shielded them from FOIA requests, nothing shady about that.What you think usually happen with administration paper after term?

[boutons_deux]

Sessions getting a lawyer

[Pavlov]

Sessions getting a lawyer


nothing shady about that.

[djohn2oo8]

Sessions lawyered up

[djohn2oo8]

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:lmao Pompeo. Looks like it's your time in the barrel you fuck.

[djohn2oo8]

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[Reck]

they were so worried about protecting the identities of people they unmasked that they illegally disseminated them throughout the White House to leak to the press :rollin

Why aren't they lawyering up like the president and his team is doing?

A little backwards, no?

The Russia thing is a fake and a witch hunt but they need to lawyer up for it but the people who wiretapped and unmasked names are just sitting at home?

Doesn't seem fair.

[djohn2oo8]

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[TSA]

Why aren't they lawyering up like the president and his team is doing?

A little backwards, no?

The Russia thing is a fake and a witch hunt but they need to lawyer up for it but the people who wiretapped and unmasked names are just sitting at home?

Doesn't seem fair.

They're lawyering up.

http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/170620-2017.06.19%20-%20Motion%20for%20Preliminary%20Injunction.pdf

[boutons_deux]

Maddow Highlights Trump Real Estate Financing From Russian Sources ‘Closer to Putin’

she highlighted an upcoming report by Bloomberg News’ Tim O’Brien, who has written extensively on Trump’s finances in the past.

In Maddow’s typical roundabout way of connecting the dots, the MSNBC anchor highlighted how a RICO lawsuit could open up yet another direction in which the Russia/Trump investigations may go.

Apparently, this all is related to a former business associate of Trump’s, Felix Sater, and Sater’s role in a Mafia-linked scheme.

Lawyers are looking to unseal documents (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sater-mafia-mob-bayrock-russia-court-brooklyn-fraud-behar-627408) from a federal case involving Sater as they feel it will show the president committed fraud at the time.

Maddow said that O’Brien has now been told that this could show a connection between Trump and Russia.

Reading from O’Brien’s report that will be out Wednesday morning, Maddow noted that the financing that Sater put together for Trump real estate projects were done in a certain way because “the investment firm was closer to Putin.”

“If Tim O’Brien’s reporting proves out,” Maddow said.

“We’re left with the question —

Why’d that happen?

Why was money connected to Putin pouring into Trump projects?

Why did they do that?”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maddow-highlights-trump-real-estate-financing-from-russian-sources-closer-to-putin/

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/19274839_1397113023670904_299922847866270453_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=4ca6d0a0e719a4716f20063eb752d710&oe=59DEA86A

[DarrinS]

This farce will weaken Dems

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[RandomGuy]

Nice try on the copy/paste, but I haven't been spamming the forum with the same post over and over. You're so wound up you didn't even realize this.




You did answer my question but did you answer it honestly or were you being sarcastic?

Why do you think that Trump has never criticized Russia?

[RandomGuy]

TSA ignores the Russian election interference for the same reason that Trump and Breitbart does: mindless partisanship. At least Trump is partisan to himself. What's TSA's reasoning?

Not sure what really drives him. The funny thing is that if you ask him, he would probably say he is perfectly honest and straightforward. People delude themselves pretty hard sometimes.

[Pavlov]

877531873337069568Now Hillary have to kill 21 more Democrat leakers.

[boutons_deux]

Pootin head fake of bogus detachment from Trash's traitorous operation

Moscow annuls meeting of top Russian, U.S. diplomats in response to U.S. sanctions

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-idUSKBN19C22Y?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/putins-real-long-game-214589

[boutons_deux]

Mueller just added a Russian-speaking former Supreme Court clerk to his special counsel team (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/20/1673392/-Mueller-just-added-a-Russian-speaking-former-Supreme-Court-clerk-to-his-special-counsel-team)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/20/1673392/-Mueller-just-added-a-Russian-speaking-former-Supreme-Court-clerk-to-his-special-counsel-team?detail=emaildkre

[RandomGuy]

Maddow Highlights Trump Real Estate Financing From Russian Sources ‘Closer to Putin’

she highlighted an upcoming report by Bloomberg News’ Tim O’Brien, who has written extensively on Trump’s finances in the past.

In Maddow’s typical roundabout way of connecting the dots, the MSNBC anchor highlighted how a RICO lawsuit could open up yet another direction in which the Russia/Trump investigations may go.

Apparently, this all is related to a former business associate of Trump’s, Felix Sater, and Sater’s role in a Mafia-linked scheme.

Lawyers are looking to unseal documents (http://www.newsweek.com/trump-sater-mafia-mob-bayrock-russia-court-brooklyn-fraud-behar-627408) from a federal case involving Sater as they feel it will show the president committed fraud at the time.

Maddow said that O’Brien has now been told that this could show a connection between Trump and Russia.

Reading from O’Brien’s report that will be out Wednesday morning, Maddow noted that the financing that Sater put together for Trump real estate projects were done in a certain way because “the investment firm was closer to Putin.”

“If Tim O’Brien’s reporting proves out,” Maddow said.

“We’re left with the question —

Why’d that happen?

Why was money connected to Putin pouring into Trump projects?

Why did they do that?”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maddow-highlights-trump-real-estate-financing-from-russian-sources-closer-to-putin/



This is the ultimate source of why I have come to believe Trump is compromised and it is what will ultimately bring Trump down. It is why you will never see his taxes unless he is forced to release them.

He has never faced this level of scrutiny before, and has likely been a bit careless and greedy.

The Russian government can best be described as mafia-driven with varying degrees of legitimacy. Putin is almost certainly among the top ten richest people, if not THE richest person in the world, and that is not a lucky accident.

Russia and its oligarchs are flush with cash, and that was in big demand during and after the financial crisis. Anyone with few scruples and a marked tendency to look the other way about how scummy your business partners could find a lot of eager Russian money. The same could be said of the oligarchs dealings with Trump.

Once Trump started getting into bed with that money, they knew they had their hooks into him. I doubt they ever dreamed this idiot would someday get elected president. Blackmailing him because of these business dealings would be easy.

[boutons_deux]

"you will never see his taxes unless he is forced to release them"

Mueller can and will see them, and Trash won't know what hit him.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[RandomGuy]

Upon what evidence is your theory based on?

Is evidence more or less likely to be produced after an investigation into breaches of the law?

Your "no evidence" schtick fails before the investigation has finished.

It is like saying "where is your evidence that I killed that guy" to the police before they search your house for the murder weapon. :lol

This really is one of the dumber things you have said in the course of this thread.

[DarrinS]

Well, they've been searching the house for almost a year.

[boutons_deux]

Trump thinks Russia didn't interfere in the election. An FBI official just said it did.

Bill Priestap, the FBI’s assistant director of its counterintelligence division, who just told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia had mounted a sophisticated effort to undermine public confidence in the election — and

to specifically hurt Hillary Clinton and help Trump.
“I think the primary goal, in my mind, was to sow discord, and to try to delegitimize our free and fair election process,” Priestap said.

“I also think another of their goals, which the entire United States intelligence community stands behind, was to denigrate Secretary Clinton and to try to help then — current President Trump.”

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/21/15845838/trump-russia-election-hacking-influence-senate-intelligence-committee

"free and fair election process" :lol The Repugs are certainly going lots of :lol

[TSA]

877540371315785729

:lol Crowdstrike

[TSA]

Is evidence more or less likely to be produced after an investigation into breaches of the law?

Your "no evidence" schtick fails before the investigation has finished.

It is like saying "where is your evidence that I killed that guy" to the police before they search your house for the murder weapon. :lol

This really is one of the dumber things you have said in the course of this thread.

So you have no evidence to base your theory on :tu

[spurraider21]

Now Hillary have to kill 21 more Democrat leakers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYcOl33-mI0

[da_suns_fan]

Arguing with Trumpers is a waste of time.

There is, literally, NOTHING that could come forward that could change their minds. Putin could admit it and they will still go along with whatever Trump says.

If Mueller and co. say no evidence of collusion, fair enough. If Trump releases tax returns and no evidence of Russian leverage, fair enough.

But dont ask us to simply believe sound bytes from this guy or that youtube vid or whatever. Listening to the idiots of Fox News who dont have a clue what theyre talking about is pointless.

[ducks]

877537432991920128

so they keep getting better do something about it then stop talking about it and taking recess or I guess you not in congress you have to work more then 129 days in a year
if it was Russia or another country does it matter
WHAT WE DO KNOW MORE THEN 5.7 MILLION VOTED ILLEGAL THAT ARE NOT CITIZENS THEY CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE COUNTRY NOT ANOTHER COUNTRY!

[TSA]

Arguing with Trumpers is a waste of time.

There is, literally, NOTHING that could come forward that could change their minds. Putin could admit it and they will still go along with whatever Trump says.

If Mueller and co. say no evidence of collusion, fair enough. If Trump releases tax returns and no evidence of Russian leverage, fair enough.

But dont ask us to simply believe sound bytes from this guy or that youtube vid or whatever. Listening to the idiots of Fox News who dont have a clue what theyre talking about is pointless.

You've had Pelosi, Feinstein, Schiff, Waters, Comey all say no collusion.

[TSA]

877540371315785729

"Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified Wednesday that the Democratic National Committee last year turned down his agency's offer to help protect its network despite being warned about a hack."

"Johnson also confirmed he went to the Democratic National Committee about a hack in their system but was told that the DNC “did not feel it needed” DHS assistance.

“Sometime in 2016, I became aware of a hack into systems of the Democratic National Committee,” Johnson said. “… I pressed my staff to know whether DHS was sufficiently proactive, and on the scene helping the DNC identify the intruders and patch vulnerabilities. The answer, to the best of my recollection, was not reassuring: the FBI and the DNC had been in contact with each other months before about the intrusion, and the DNC did not feel it needed DHS’s assistance at that time.”

The FBI reportedly faced a similar rejection. "


Anyone have a good answer on why the DNC would deny the help of both the FBI and the DHS and also deny access to the server after the breach?

[baseline bum]

Arguing with Trumpers is a waste of time.

There is, literally, NOTHING that could come forward that could change their minds. Putin could admit it and they will still go along with whatever Trump says.

If Mueller and co. say no evidence of collusion, fair enough. If Trump releases tax returns and no evidence of Russian leverage, fair enough.

But dont ask us to simply believe sound bytes from this guy or that youtube vid or whatever. Listening to the idiots of Fox News who dont have a clue what theyre talking about is pointless.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z39djGag1jE

[da_suns_fan]

You've had Pelosi, Feinstein, Schiff, Waters, Comey all say no collusion.

None of whom are named "Mueller".

[boutons_deux]

Fox News host Sean Hannity pushes another conspiracy theory: Trump is facing a secret ‘soft coup’

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/fox-news-host-sean-hannity-pushes-another-conspiracy-theory-trump-is-facing-a-secret-soft-coup/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

I don't follow this greasebag, but along with the Seth matter, he sure seems to have gone off the deep end. asshole getting into Alex Jones territory.

Maybe he's jealous of Tucker Carlson selling my ads than Billo.

[DarrinS]

Swalwell has the goods, folks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMiQdNTdpEg

:lmao

[TSA]

Swalwell has the goods, folks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMiQdNTdpEg

:lmao
:rollin his last take

[Adam Lambert]

Swalwell has the goods, folks


get on your knees ill show you swallowswell

[DarrinS]

get on your knees ill show you swallowswell

You're a bottom and a swallower.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

the financial corruption guillotine keeps picking up speed

US House Dems reject Deutsche Bank privacy claim in Trump query

U.S. S. House Democrats rejected an assertion by Deutsche Bank that privacy laws prevent it from sharing information about President Donald Trump’s finances, as they investigate possible collusion between his campaign team and Russia.

In a letter to the bank’s lawyers made public on Thursday, five Democrats who have been seeking financial information about Trump argued U.S. federal laws protecting banking customers’ confidentiality did not apply to requests from Congress.

The bank could also circumvent privacy concerns by obtaining disclosure consent from the president and his family, they said.

“Given President Trump’s repeated assertions that he does not have ties to Russia, such disclosure would ostensibly be in his interest,” they wrote.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/us-house-dems-reject-deutsche-bank-privacy-claim-in-trump-query/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[RandomGuy]

So you have no evidence to base your theory on :tu

Is evidence more or less likely to be produced after an investigation into breaches of the law?

Your "no evidence" schtick fails before the investigation has finished.

It is like saying "where is your evidence that I killed that guy" to the police before they search your house for the murder weapon.

This really is one of the dumber things you have said in the course of this thread.

[RandomGuy]

Anyone have a good answer on why the DNC would deny the help of both the FBI and the DHS and also deny access to the server after the breach?

You have no evidence they denied access.

[TSA]

Is evidence more or less likely to be produced after an investigation into breaches of the law?

Your "no evidence" schtick fails before the investigation has finished.

It is like saying "where is your evidence that I killed that guy" to the police before they search your house for the murder weapon.

This really is one of the dumber things you have said in the course of this thread.

It can't be dumber than your "no evidence" theory of collusion

[DarrinS]

You have no evidence they denied access.

What?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u96t7dQZ_pI

[RandomGuy]

It can't be dumber than your "no evidence" theory of collusion

Is evidence more or less likely to be produced after an investigation into breaches of the law?

[DarrinS]

Is evidence more or less likely to be produced after an investigation into breaches of the law?

They've been looking for almost a year. Maybe Mueller and his army of lawyers will have better luck than FBI, NSA, etc...

[RandomGuy]

What?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u96t7dQZ_pI

So you are saying that sworn testimony of officials and reports constitutes sufficient evidence to conclude something as a fact?

[RandomGuy]

They've been looking for almost a year.

Really?

What specifically have they been "looking into", and who exactly this "they"? Be as specific as you can.

[DarrinS]

Really?

What specifically have they been "looking into", and who exactly this "they"? Be as specific as you can.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.html

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

877912930469138432 Reck baseline bum

[TSA]

You have no evidence they denied access.

"The FBI requested direct access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) hacked computer servers but was denied, Director James Comey told lawmakers on Tuesday."

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313555-comey-fbi-did-request-access-to-hacked-dnc-servers

[TSA]

Is evidence more or less likely to be produced after an investigation into breaches of the law?

You act as if the investigation just started a month ago. Have you already forgotten how long the Trump team was under surveillance and when this all started?

[baseline bum]

877912930469138432 Reck baseline bum

Is there actually any indication the Trump team got this information? Or is it some dude on twitter throwing shit against the wall?

[djohn2oo8]

Is there actually any indication the Trump team got this information? Or is it some dude on twitter throwing shit against the wall?

US officials have leaked it to TIME.. This is what they are looking at. Newly discovered.

[RandomGuy]

"The FBI requested direct access to the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) hacked computer servers but was denied, Director James Comey told lawmakers on Tuesday."

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313555-comey-fbi-did-request-access-to-hacked-dnc-servers

So you don't have evidence. Got it.

[RandomGuy]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article127231799.html

All I see is a URL.

Did you mean to explain this, or just point a link and make me do all the work, per par?

[baseline bum]

US officials have leaked it to TIME.. This is what they are looking at. Newly discovered.

Why only leak half the story then?

[djohn2oo8]

There will be reports that Team trump paid the hackers.

[TSA]

So you don't have evidence. Got it.

It's much more than the bullshit theory you cooked up in defense of the DNC.

[djohn2oo8]

Why only leak half the story then?
Mueller. To build an airtight case, you give Team Trump no heads up that you know it they have that information.

[RandomGuy]

You act as if the investigation just started a month ago. Have you already forgotten how long the Trump team was under surveillance and when this all started?

https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_42/1758446/08_trump-reporter_bb30fd8188e0ac541663d15e47a5fd1e.nbcnews-ux-600-480.gif

[TSA]

Is there actually any indication the Trump team got this information? Or is it some dude on twitter throwing shit against the wall?

It's coming from djohn...did you really need to ask these questions? :lol

[RandomGuy]

It's much more than the bullshit theory you cooked up in defense of the DNC.

Did you post what you think constitutes evidence?

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao Holy shit Trump admitting he has no tapes of Comey. Too bad Comey can't say the same about you pleighboi.

[TSA]

Did you post what you think constitutes evidence?

Statements from the head of the FBI and DHS are good enough for me. What evidence do you have to support your theory the DNC did not deny access?

[djohn2oo8]

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Fucking dumbass es trying to intimidate a witness

[TSA]

:lmao Holy shit Trump admitting he has no tapes of Comey. Too bad Comey can't say the same about you pleighboi.

Claiming he had tapes got Comey to testify that he told Trump he was never under investigation. By the way where are Comey's so called memos? Did the professor actually have them and turn them over or was it all bullshit?

[djohn2oo8]

Claiming he had tapes got Comey to testify that he told Trump he was never under investigation. By the way where are Comey's so called memos? Did the professor actually have them and turn them over or was it all bullshit?
Claiming he had tapes of Comey was a threat to try and get Comey not to testify you stupid sack of shit.

[RandomGuy]

Statements from the head of the FBI and DHS are good enough for me. What evidence do you have to support your theory the DNC did not deny access?

So statements of fact from the head of the FBI and DHS constitute sufficient evidence for you.

The DNC says they didn't deny requests.

As noted before, it is entirely conceivable that both sides are telling the truth as they see it. This is what I think actually happened (i.e. a communication muddle with both sides thinking one thing, but factually wrong in some way), based on the evidence for (statements by officials) and against (statements by officials).

Feel free to present any evidence you have that either party is actively lying. Sufficient evidence would be actual emails, or copies of letters.

Unless, of course you are applying different standards of evidence when it comes to believing Democrats.

Are you applying different standards of evidence?

[djohn2oo8]

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:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

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LOL

[RandomGuy]

Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson testified before the House Intelligence Committee Wednesday that to his knowledge, Russia did not alter vote tallies or ballots in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

So since statements of fact from the head of the FBI and DHS constitute sufficient evidence, we can now safely conclude that Russia did, in fact attempt to hack into voting systems.

The question now remains, what will the Trump administration do about it?

What should they do about it?

[vy65]

Claiming he had tapes got Comey to testify that he told Trump he was never under investigation. By the way where are Comey's so called memos? Did the professor actually have them and turn them over or was it all bullshit?

Are you ok with your president openly lying about this? Or to the American people?

[djohn2oo8]

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lol

[RandomGuy]

Former FBI Director James Comey testified last week that President Donald Trump seemed exclusively concerned with Russia's election meddling as it related to him personally, rather than its impact on national security.

Again, we have direct evidence that Trump doesn't seem to care about national security.

If that is the case it seems the Trump administration won't do anything, for some reason.

[TSA]

So statements of fact from the head of the FBI and DHS constitute sufficient evidence for you.

The DNC says they didn't deny requests.

As noted before, it is entirely conceivable that both sides are telling the truth as they see it. This is what I think actually happened (i.e. a communication muddle with both sides thinking one thing, but factually wrong in some way), based on the evidence for (statements by officials) and against (statements by officials).

Feel free to present any evidence you have that either party is actively lying. Sufficient evidence would be actual emails, or copies of letters.

Unless, of course you are applying different standards of evidence when it comes to believing Democrats.

Are you applying different standards of evidence?

The head of the DHS is now the second person to say the DNC denied their requests. In this particular case yes I am applying different standards when it comes to believing the DNC as multiple high ranking members were caught fucking over Sanders. It amazes me that you admit to that happening and then turn right around and say the DNC is trustworthy.

[TSA]

So since statements of fact from the head of the FBI and DHS constitute sufficient evidence, we can now safely conclude that Russia did, in fact attempt to hack into voting systems.

The question now remains, what will the Trump administration do about it?

What should they do about it?Pick a lane if. Do statements of fact from the head of the FBI and DHS constitute sufficient evidence?

[TSA]

Are you ok with your president openly lying about this? Or to the American people?

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where is the lie?

[Pelicans78]

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where is the lie?

He probably destroyed the tapes.

[vy65]

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where is the lie?

Ok, if he doesn't have any tapes (and there's no lie), what's the point of this tweet?

[TSA]

Ok, if he doesn't have any tapes (and there's no lie), what's the point of this tweet?

I already said why I thought he said it.

[vy65]

I already said why I thought he said it.

Maybe you could refresh me on your take?

[TSA]

Maybe you could refresh me on your take?

you quoted it on this very page

[Pavlov]

TSA say Trump want to intimidate Comey and influence Comey testimony.

Agree.

[vy65]

You can't have it both ways. Either he's, to use your words, claiming to have the tapes -- which would turn out to be a lie because he subsequently claimed not to have the tapes ....

Or

He's not claiming to have the tapes, and making some kind of veiled threat. Or at the very least, insinuating something that is not true. If that's the case, my question still stands: is that something you want the president to do in public? Is that good presidential practice?

[TSA]

You can't have it both ways. Either he's, to use your words, claiming to have the tapes -- which would turn out to be a lie because he subsequently claimed not to have the tapes ....

Or

He's not claiming to have the tapes, and making some kind of veiled threat. Or at the very least, insinuating something that is not true. If that's the case, my question still stands: is that something you want the president to do in public? Is that good presidential practice?He is a master at wording things to keep himself out of legal trouble

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[Pavlov]

We know who TSA's master is.

[vy65]

He is a master at wording things to keep himself out of legal trouble

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Great. That's fantastic. It's also totally irrelevant to the point I'm making.

[vy65]

It's a pretty fucking shitty situation when the best thing we can say about the president is: "well, at least he didn't commit a crime."

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The argument is not that he lied about the tapes. The argument is that he tried to influence a federal witness to not testify in a manner he does not want. That he did it with innuendo and not anything real is besides the point.

It's like threatening to kill someone over twitter and saying it is okay because you were out of town and could not have killed them. The threatening tone was obvious.

[spurraider21]

https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_42/1758446/08_trump-reporter_bb30fd8188e0ac541663d15e47a5fd1e.nbcnews-ux-600-480.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsaB3ynIZH4

[spurraider21]

Claiming he had tapes got Comey to testify that he told Trump he was never under investigation.
so you're saying trump tried to (and successfully did) influence comey's testimony with a threat of repercussions?

[RandomGuy]

Are you ok with your president openly lying about this? Or to the American people?

Based on his total silence on the issue, it would appear he is entirely comfortable with that.

I assume of course, that he would say something if it concerned him. There may be some reason he wouldn't say anything.

[RandomGuy]

The head of the DHS is now the second person to say the DNC denied their requests. In this particular case yes I am applying different standards when it comes to believing the DNC

DHS wasn't denied access to servers. They offered to help, but were declined.

So, you have mischaracterized what evidence is available, are applying different standards of evidence when it comes to Democrats, and have no direct evidence to back up your DNC refusal theory that supports your DNC secret hacking conspiracy theory.

Got it.

[TSA]

so you're saying trump tried to (and successfully did) influence comey's testimony with a threat of repercussions?

He said what he said. I don't think anything will happen to him for "hoping" anything.

[Pavlov]

He said what he said. I don't think anything will happen to him for "hoping" anything.Not what he ask about your master.

[spurraider21]

He said what he said. I don't think anything will happen to him for "hoping" anything.
that didn't answer my question.

are you saying that trump tried to (and successfully did) influence comey's testimony with a threat of repercussions?

i'm just going by your theory, of course

[TSA]

DHS wasn't denied access to servers. They offered to help, but were declined.

So, you have mischaracterized what evidence is available, are applying different standards of evidence when it comes to Democrats, and have no direct evidence to back up your DNC refusal theory that supports your DNC secret hacking conspiracy theory.

Got it.

Bet you can't find a quote of me saying the DHS was denied access to servers.

So you don't want to take the head of the FBI's word when he says the DNC denied the FBI access to the server because you haven't seen any concrete evidence, but you do want to take the head of the FBI's word when he talks about Trump.

Got it.

[TSA]

that didn't answer my question.

are you saying that trump tried to (and successfully did) influence comey's testimony with a threat of repercussions?

i'm just going by your theory, of course I think Trump hoped it would get Comey to speak up and clear Trump on Russian collusion.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[spurraider21]

I think Trump hoped it would get Comey to speak up and clear Trump on Russian collusion.
so did trump try to influence comey to testify in any particular way by bringing up the possible existence of tapes?

[djohn2oo8]

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[Pavlov]

I think Trump hoped it would get Comey to speak up and clear Trump on Russian collusion.http://clearmindedcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Vintage-Advertising-His-masters-Voice-107051-600x455.jpg

[boutons_deux]

whether there are "tapes" or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/877932956458795008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwashingtonjournal.com%2F2017% 2F06%2F22%2Ftrump-just-made-huge-announcement-comey-tapes%2F

[TSA]

so did trump try to influence comey to testify in any particular way by bringing up the possible existence of tapes?

Why are you asking me questions I can't possibly answer? Get on twitter and ask Trump yourself.

[TSA]

877933311183794178

What memos?

[Pavlov]

Why are you asking me questions I can't possibly answer? Get on twitter and ask Trump yourself.But you answer what you think earlier.
I think Trump hoped it would get Comey to speak up and clear Trump on Russian collusion.Possible then but not now?

What happen to you?

[Pavlov]

What memos?Now TSA accuse Comey of perjury.

[TSA]

But you answer what you think earlier.Possible then but not now?

What happen to you?

The first question asked for my opinion. The second question asked me to know Trump's actual motive.

How long are you going to keep this shitty sock going? I told you early on you had a good thing going and not to fuck it up. You either got greedy or lazy which was it?

[Pavlov]

The first question asked for my opinion. The second question asked me to know Trump's actual motive.What you think Trump's actual motive?


How long are you going to keep this shitty sock going? I told you early on you had a good thing going and not to fuck it up. You either got greedy or lazy which was it?Aw TSA upset at sock.

Sorry I upset you, but at least it give you another way to try change subject, yes?

[monosylab1k]

What you think Trump's actual motive?

Aw TSA upset at sock.

Sorry I upset you, but at least it give you another way to try change subject, yes?

I still support you, Pav. I'd hit you with a like/subscribe if I could.

[Pavlov]

I still support you, Pav. I'd hit you with a like/subscribe if I could.https://media.giphy.com/media/uuHxYxV0SSbe/200.gif

[TSA]

What you think Trump's actual motive?You already quoted my answer.


Aw TSA upset at sock.

Sorry I upset you, but at least it give you another way to try change subject, yes?Nothing you do upsets me it's actually funny watching your schtick fall apart knowing someone is behind it desperately clinging on.

At least mono finds you entertaining :tu

[Pavlov]

You already quoted my answer.So you could answer before but not possibly after.

What change?

schtick*ding*

[RandomGuy]

Why are you asking me questions I can't possibly answer?

:lmao

:cry

[RandomGuy]

Bet you can't find a quote of me saying the DHS was denied access to servers.

So you don't want to take the head of the FBI's word when he says the DNC denied the FBI access to the server because you haven't seen any concrete evidence, but you do want to take the head of the FBI's word when he talks about Trump.

Got it.

I believe the head of the FBI was stating the truth as he knows it, as was the DNC. If you claim I don't believe he was telling the truth, that is not factual.

I believe though, that he (and the DNC) were wrong in their statements, mostly because of the lack of corroborating evidence for your theory that only one of them was lying.

The question remains:

What will the Trump administration do about the Russian attempts to sabotage and hack our election?






I eagerly await your attempt to deflect by mentioning Obama, Hillary, or other Democrat, because you know that Trump won't do anything unless absolutely forced to by Congress, but aren't honest enough to admit that.

[TSA]

:lmao

:cry

It was a stupid question. It'd be like me asking spurraider21 what you felt like for lunch.

[TSA]

I believe the head of the FBI was stating the truth as he knows it, as was the DNC. If you claim I don't believe he was telling the truth, that is not factual.

I believe though, that he (and the DNC) were wrong in their statements, mostly because of the lack of corroborating evidence for your theory that only one of them was lying.

The question remains:

What will the Trump administration do about the Russian attempts to sabotage and hack our election?






I eagerly await your attempt to deflect by mentioning Obama, Hillary, or other Democrat, because you know that Trump won't do anything unless absolutely forced to by Congress, but aren't honest enough to admit that.

Where is the quote from me saying the DHS was denied access to the servers? Or did you just make that up?

[RandomGuy]

Fact:

Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact:

Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

The thing is Congress actually read the shit that Trump doesn't.

Donald Trump is too lazy to do his fucking homework. Congress read the classified shit the Golfer-in-Chief didn't and got pissed.

What did they see that made them so mad?

[TSA]

*ding*

all you needed was a little encouragement :tu

[RandomGuy]

What will the Trump administration do about the Russian attempts to sabotage and hack our election?






I eagerly await your attempt to deflect



Where is the quote from me saying the DHS was denied access to the servers? Or did you just make that up?

:lmao

Fail.

[TSA]

Fact:

Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact:

Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

The thing is Congress actually read the shit that Trump doesn't.

Donald Trump is too lazy to do his fucking homework. Congress read the classified shit the Golfer-in-Chief didn't and got pissed.

What did they see that made them so mad?

Nice to see you've finally given up on collusion/compromised :tu

[Pavlov]

all you needed was a little encouragement :tuAll you needed was to try and change subject again.

[TSA]

:lmao

Fail.

your post #6648

Did you miss my first sentence or did you deflect?

[djohn2oo8]

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Coats taking a massive shit on TSA

[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

Congress Is Now Investigating Trump’s Use Of Stolen Russian Data For Campaign

Last week, we learned that Russia’s infiltration of U.S. election systems went far deeper (http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/13/chilling-new-details-confirm-russias-election-interference-affected-39-states/) than previously thought, penetrating 39 states.

Today, TIME’s (http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/) Massimo Calabresi has confirmed with two sources that “congressional investigators are probing whether any of this stolen private information made its way to the Trump campaign.”

Michael Bahar, former Democratic Staff Director and counsel for the House Intelligence Committee told Calabresi, “If any campaign, Trump or otherwise, used inappropriate data the questions are: How did they get it? From whom? And with what level of knowledge.”

“That,” Calabresi said, “is a crux of the investigation.”

Though no one has yet confirmed what, if any, evidence exists of the Trump campaign’s use of stolen data, the House Intelligence Committee is among those looking into the matter and is seeking testimony on the matter from the Trump campaign’s digital director, Brad Parscale.

For its part, the Senate Intelligence Committee intends (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nbc-reports-kushner-to-meet-senate-intelligence-committee-staff) to question First Son-In-Law Jared Kushner, a White House advisor who served as head of the campaign’s data operations.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/22/congress-now-investigating-trumps-use-stolen-russian-data-campaign/

:lol noose tightens, guillotine's falling, the garrote constricting.

[TSA]

877982716838400000
Coats taking a massive shit on TSA

He's already testified under oath he never felt pressured and was never asked to do anything illegal.

By the way where are the Comey memos? Does the professor have them or do they not exist?

[Pavlov]

Comey memos*ding*

Again you try to say Comey perjurer.

[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

Trump Blames Obama For Russia Election Interference With Self-incriminating Tweet

In a statement on social media,

Trump incriminated himself on Russia by strongly denied that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election

but blaming Obama for Russian meddling :lol

that the Trump says never happened. :lol

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/22/trump-blames-obama-russia-election-interference-self-incriminating-tweet.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/22/trump-blames-obama-russia-election-interference-self-incriminating-tweet.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

[TSA]

*ding*

Again you try to say Comey perjurer.

RandomGuy taught me how to hold people's feet to the fire. If djohn refuses to answer I will be forced to start spamming every thread with the same question.

[Pavlov]

RandomGuy taught me how to hold people's feet to the fire. If djohn refuses to answer I will be forced to start spamming every thread with the same question.You really don't know answer?

[djohn2oo8]

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More reporting on this baseline bum

[djohn2oo8]

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More reporting on this baseline bum

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[djohn2oo8]

On Wednesday, a Department of Homeland Security official testified that 21 states had voter databases targeted. But CBS News has learned that the number is actually higher. On Thursday, a former U.S. official told CBS News that nearly twice that many states showed evidence of a breach. Multiple former officials tell CBS News that in the final weeks of the Obama administration, there were discussions between states and federal officials about whether states using contractor databases should be included in the total number of breaches. Ultimately, the Obama administration decided to operate under the assumption that every single state had been affected.

[Pavlov]

On Wednesday, a Department of Homeland Security official testified that 21 states had voter databases targeted. But CBS News has learned that the number is actually higher. On Thursday, a former U.S. official told CBS News that nearly twice that many states showed evidence of a breach. Multiple former officials tell CBS News that in the final weeks of the Obama administration, there were discussions between states and federal officials about whether states using contractor databases should be included in the total number of breaches. Ultimately, the Obama administration decided to operate under the assumption that every single state had been affected.Now just find the 40 DNC staffers Hillary murder.

[boutons_deux]

Trump floats possibility of removing ‘very bothersome’ special counsel Robert Mueller

President Donald Trump signaled that he might fire the “very bothersome” special counsel, Robert Mueller, who is investigating his possible ties to Russia.

The president appeared Friday morning on “Fox & Friends,” (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/23/trump-says-comey-mueller-friendship-bothersome.html) which he urged his Twitter followers to “enjoy,” and discussed the investigation and the Senate bill to overhaul health care coverage.

Trump complained that Mueller, who served as FBI director under presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, was close friends with his predecessor, James Comey, and had hired Hillary Clinton supporters to join his investigative team as special counsel.

“There has been no obstruction, there has been no collusion,” Trump told Fox News host Ainsley Earhardt. “There has been leaking by Comey, but there has been no collusion, no obstruction — and virtually everybody agrees to that, so we’ll have to see.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/trump-floats-possibility-of-removing-very-bothersome-special-counsel-robert-mueller/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Y'all's PVL so-called President is fucking stupid, like Fox viewers and Trash supporters.

Collusion, at least passive, will be proven, maybe even Jared using voter data from the Russians stolen from the Dems, and CERTAINLY Mueller's gonna get Trash and others on financial crimes.

iow, Trash's obsession with alleged collusion is probably the least of his problems.

[djohn2oo8]

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Trump and crew under FBI investigation, not Hillary....

[baseline bum]

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Trump and crew under FBI investigation, not Hillary....

Trump is going to fire Mueller and the senate won't do shit.

[pgardn]

RandomGuy taught me how to hold people's feet to the fire. If djohn refuses to answer I will be forced to start spamming every thread with the same question.

How do we know that Random guy really taught you this?

Link.
Fake acquisition in the "skill" of asking deflecting questions.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIPyz-vcJqg

[RandomGuy]

Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy

Fact:

Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact:

Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

The thing is Congress actually read the shit that Trump doesn't.

Donald Trump is too lazy to do his fucking homework. Congress read the classified shit the Golfer-in-Chief didn't and got pissed.

What did they see that made them so mad?



Nice to see you've finally given up on collusion/compromised :tu

The two are related, which is why you won't answer the question.

I won't even ask you what you think the Trump administration will do.

I will just ask what you think should be done.

What should we do about Russian actions in regards to our most recent presidential elections?

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy taught me how to hold people's feet to the fire. If djohn refuses to answer I will be forced to start spamming every thread with the same question.

TSA: RG is melting down by spamming things in every thread.

TSA: I think I will spam things in every thread too.

:lmao

TSA melting down.

[RandomGuy]

your post #6648

Did you miss my first sentence or did you deflect?

I ignored your attempt to deflect. Don't really care about your whiny butthurt over some less than accurate words. :cry

If it makes you feel better, since I am smarter, and more honest than you, I will readily answer your question.

You never said they denied access to servers specifically. That was a mistake I made in being a bit less than careful in my phrasing.

Now, answer my question. Unless, of course, you are a dishonest sophist.

Pick either:
What will the Trump administration do about the Russian attempts to sabotage and hack our election?
or
What do you think we should do in regards to the Russian attempts to hack US election related servers?




I eagerly await your attempt to deflect by mentioning Obama, Hillary, or other Democrat, because you know that Trump won't do anything unless absolutely forced to by Congress, but aren't honest enough to admit that.

[Reck]

Trump is going to fire Mueller and the senate won't do shit.

You dont think this would create a massive shitstorm?

Trump cant directly fire him as has been established. I dont think Rosestein is going to take a political hit for Trump so he would have to fire him and appoint a stooge that would get Mueller fired.

[boutons_deux]

NBC: Coats Told House Intel Committee Trump Is Obsessed With Russia Probe

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dan-coats-trump-obsessed-russia?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Morning Joe hammers Trump: ‘Why does this man keep freaking out? This is how a guilty person acts’

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough blasted President Donald Trump for signaling that he might fire special counsel Robert Mueller from leading the investigation into his campaign ties to Russia.

Panelist Donnie Deutsch pointed out that Trump has picked a fight with almost every institution except one.

“You know what’s interesting?” Deutsch said.

“Donald Trump has picked a fight with every institution —

the intelligence community,

Congress,

the judicial community,

the media,

the Republican Party,

the Democratic Party.

Everybody except Russia he has picked a fight with. It’s fascinating.”

Scarborough agreed, and added

America’s Germany, British and NATO allies

to the list.

“He even picked a fight with China during the campaign,” Scarborough said.

“He’s picked a fight with every major player on the world stage, and domestically, except for Vladimir Putin and Russia.

I wonder why that is?”

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/morning-joe-hammers-trump-why-does-this-man-keep-freaking-out-this-is-how-a-guilty-person-acts/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

It's so fucking blatantly, screamingly OBVIOUS that Pootin has bought, compromised PVL so-called Pres Trash and his entourage.

[RandomGuy]

Trump is going to fire Mueller and the senate won't do shit.

I don't think so.

But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest shit possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

Bullshit conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.

[boutons_deux]

Republican Governors Betrayed America By Refusing to Help Obama Protect the Election

Republican governors also refused to secure voting systems, with one Republican calling it an assault on "state's rights."

It wasn’t just Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell who turned down the Obama administration’s request for help (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/23/bombshell-report-reveals-mitch-mcconnell-allowed-russia-attack-trump.html) as Russia attacked the United States in its attempt to help Donald Trump win the 2016 election, a stunning exclusive in The Washington Post details.

Republican governors also refused to secure voting systems, with one Republican calling it an assault on “state’s rights.”

“Johnson, the homeland-security secretary, was responsible for finding out whether the government could quickly shore up the security of the nation’s archaic patchwork of voting systems.

He floated the idea of designating state mechanisms “critical infrastructure,” a label that would have entitled states to receive priority in federal cybersecurity assistance, putting them on a par with U.S. defense contractors and financial networks,” an exclusive by The Washington Post’s (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/world/national-security/obama-putin-election-hacking/?hpid=hp_hp-banner-high_russiaobama-banner-7a:homepage/story&utm_term=.17b842c4a03c) security team tells us.“

On Aug. 15, Johnson arranged a conference call with dozens of state officials, hoping to enlist their support. He ran into a wall of resistance.

The reaction ‘ranged from neutral to negative,’

The Post describes the White House’s reaction as “stung”, saying they then

turned to Congress for help, where they were also turned down by Republicans.

Obama knew Republicans would claim he was politicizing it if he did more, which they did when he asked them to get help to lock down the voting systems.

this top secret intel was kept secret by the Obama administration as they asked for help from various Republicans

The question to ask now is why hasn’t Donald Trump shown any interest in using the system President Obama put into place to retaliate against the Russians, let alone shown any interest in the Russian attack on the U.S..

For that matter, why did Congressional Republicans and Governors enable the Russian attack and

why are they to this day refusing to even admit that this happened and is still happening.

Why won’t Republicans take action to protect their country?

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/23/republican-governors-refused-president-obama-protect-u-s-election.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/23/republican-governors-refused-president-obama-protect-u-s-election.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

When the Repugs are so compromised by BigDonor, soimmunized against voters by BigDonor, so totally $elf-$erving political ...

The oligarchy has won, America is fucked and unfuckable.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Just Did His First Interview In A Month And It Was A Total Disaster

Trump returned from his interview absence for a puff piece with Republican propaganda vehicle, Fox and Friends. Even in the friendly environment, President Trump could not help confessing to a crime

Trump brags about influencing the testimony when he tweeted, “James Comey better hope that there are no “tapes” of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” on May 12 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473).

The Fox interviewer calls it smart. Trump calls it “not very dumb.”

Lawyers call it witness intimidation.

the president accused Comey of lying (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/09/us/politics/trump-comey.html?_r=0) in his testimony before Congress, now, he says he coerced him into telling the truth. :lol

Trump’s web of lies has become so tangled

that he cannot even appear on his own self-appointed state media network

without contradicting his previous claims and implicating himself in a crime.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/23/trump-just-first-interview-month-total-disaster/

[ducks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIPyz-vcJqg

wasserman is wrong she was in bed with clinton

[boutons_deux]

What happens if Trump’s White House invokes executive privilege?

Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama showed there is reason to be concerned about post-9/11 presidents testing the legal limits of their power (https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/chris-edelson/power-without-constraint/).

The stakes are even higher now with Trump.

He has demonstrated authoritarian tendencies (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-threat-to-democracy.html) and contempt for the rule of law (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-kleptocracy-could-be-turning-the-us-into-a-banana-republic-2017-05-03) that goes beyond anything Bush or Obama did.

the key question to ask now is whether Trump will refuse (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-very-very-dangerous-situation) to let any investigation continue.

If he does so successfully, Trump will effectively place himself beyond the reach of the law (https://lawfareblog.com/disabled-executive-special-counsel-investigation-and-presidential-immunities).

The various ongoing investigations are all, in theory, governed by legal rules.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s task (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726385-Order-3915-2017-Special-Counsel.html#document/p1) is to speak to witnesses, review documents, gather evidence and decide whether there is any basis for prosecution under federal law.

Congressional committees, meanwhile, hear from witnesses who testify under penalty of perjury if they lie under oath.

But such legal rules are not self-enforcing. When the rules are violated or flouted, someone has to act in order to give them force and meaning.

If the administration wants to invoke the privilege, it must do so expressly. In that case, the matter would be worked out either in negotiations between the executive and legislative branches (http://www.libertylawsite.org/2012/07/12/the-constitution-and-executive-privilege/) or (less frequently) through review by the federal courts.

... claiming recorded conversations were protected by executive privilege, as defined by the president. The court rejected this view, observing that constitutional separation of powers depends on checks and balances that prevent any one branch from self-policing.

The court found, in this case, the need for checks on power outweighed the executive branch’s interest in keeping discussions confidential.

If the legislative branch is to enforce the rule of law, witnesses must be compelled to answer legitimate questions under oath.

when witnesses refuse to answer questions but fail to provide any sufficient legal reason for doing so, they are obstructing investigation (http://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-executive-privilege-jeff-sessions-testimony-2017-6) – preventing Congress from carrying out its inquiry.

If other senators agreed, they could vote to cite the witness(es) for contempt (https://www.vox.com/2017/6/14/15796078/jeff-sessions-testimony-russia-donald-trump-comey-fbi), which could lead to criminal prosecution.

since Republicans are members of the same party as the president, none of this is likely – yet.

But if Trump administration officials continue to make investigation difficult, and if Trump escalates an already tense situation by continuing to question Mueller’s legitimacy or even by firing the special counsel, Republicans may face a crucial test on behalf of American constitutional democracy (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-very-very-dangerous-situation).

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/what-happens-if-trumps-white-house-invokes-executive-privilege/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

Repugs are so compromised by the oligarchy that I'm pretty sure this catastrophe will come to deep Constitutional questions, and the the Repugs will answer wrongly.

Also, this oligarchy-compromised SCOTUS court could easily go 5-4 in favor of Trash's crimes.

[baseline bum]

I don't think so.

But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest shit possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

...

He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.

It wouldn't be stupid. Congress won't do a damn thing to him. GOP senators talk bad about him because it makes them look good in the press, but they all have his back when it matters. Like this garbage health care bill. The only GOP senators who seem opposed are the far right ones like Paul and Cruz who want to strip it down further. And that's what we'll get, just like what happened in the house.

[boutons_deux]

Secret CIA report from sources ‘deep’ in Kremlin detailed Putin’s direct order to elect Trump

A report compiled by the CIA and sent directly to former President Barack Obama detailed Russian President Vladimir Putin’s direct instructions to interfere in the 2016 election and help elect Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton,

In March of 2016, then-candidate

Trump implored Russia (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-loving-wikileaks-as-a-candidate-trump-decides-he-doesnt-like-leaks-as-president/2017/03/07/e84f7070-0350-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.b1561d8eed3a) to “find the 30,000 emails that are missing” from Clinton’s private server.

did all y'all Trash fellators forget his Trashy gem? :lol

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/secret-cia-report-from-sources-deep-in-kremlin-detailed-putins-direct-order-to-elect-trump-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

That sure tells me Trash was AWARE of Russia dicking, or planning, to dick around in the election.

How would he have that in mind?

Pootin told him, to make sure Trash knew that he was expected to return the favor.

[clambake]

wasserman is wrong she was in bed with clinton

we know, ducks.

[DarrinS]

Poll: Voters weary of Russia probes

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-weary-of-russia-probes

[Pavlov]

Poll: Voters weary of Russia probes

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-weary-of-russia-probesDarrin weary of shielding the semen.

[DarrinS]

Darrin weary of shielding the semen.

*zing*
*sock*

[Reck]

Poll: Voters weary of Russia probes

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-weary-of-russia-probes

The poll uses a methodology that doesn't produce a traditional margin of error.

:bobo

[Pavlov]

*zing*
*sock*You not weary of shielding the semen?

[djohn2oo8]

Trump is going to fire Mueller and the senate won't do shit.

Mueller has planned for that contingency. Just like Comey planned for that same thing.

[djohn2oo8]

878208772832976896

[djohn2oo8]

878213405005500416

[Reck]

878208772832976896

POS Obama more worried about his legacy than releasing critical information that would have perhaps prevented what we're in now.

[boutons_deux]

REVEALED: FBI investigating Manafort son-in-law for shady deals even his family called ‘a ponzi scheme’


http://www.rawstory.com/2017/06/revealed-fbi-investigating-manafort-son-in-law-for-shady-deals-even-his-family-called-a-ponzi-scheme/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[boutons_deux]

Benghazi Crusader Just Refused To Investigate Trump-Russia

Trump loyalist Trey Gowdy recently replaced Jason Chaffetz as Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Eager to please his president, he’s already made his first public overture of obedience.

Chairman Gowdy has said his committee will not investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election or Trump’s possible obstruction of justice,

Gowdy’s transparent excuse is that he wants the committee to return to traditional purposes like overseeing the Census. He also defended his decision by saying that the Russia and obstruction investigations are the responsibility of special prosecutor Bob Mueller.

“No. 1: It’s in the jurisdiction of Bob Mueller. And secondarily, I would think Judiciary has jurisdiction over the Department of Justice and the FBI,” said Gowdy.

Conveniently, the Republicans have in the past expanded the breadth of the committee’s jurisdiction to investigate and attack Democrats.

They’ve held hearings with as neutral names as ““Operation Fast and Furious: Reckless Decisions, Tragic Outcomes,” a partisan investigation into Obama’s ATF’s “gunwalking” operation.

Gowdy was also the Head of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, one of the most recent examples of blatant partisan witch hunting.

http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/23/benghazi-crusader-just-refused-investigate-trump-russia/

[Reck]

I actually agree with that. You dont need 3 separate investigations into the same thing. The senate which has by far produced the most bipartisan participation has gotten it just right thus far. The House investigation has always been a joke ever since Nunez played cuck jr.

Mueller is also looking into Obstruction of justice so there is at least a safety net with that.

[RandomGuy]

Poll: Voters weary of Russia probes

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339146-poll-voters-grow-weary-of-russia-probes


But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest shit possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

Bullshit conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.

[boutons_deux]

CNN: Senate Is Investigating Russian Fund Tied To Trump Associates

The Senate Intelligence Committee is looking into a $10 billion Russian investment fund managed by a Kremlin-run bank tied to several Trump associates,

A congressional source told CNN that lawmakers are investigating the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which is overseen by the state-run Vnesheconombank, whose CEO met with White House adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner in December.

Both the bank and fund have been under U.S. sanction since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea.

Kushner’s December meeting is a focus (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jared-kushner-russian-banker-investigation-congress) for congressional and federal investigators looking into inappropriate contacts between Russian operatives and the Trump campaign,

as is a Jan. 16 meeting between the RDIF’s chief executive and Anthony Scaramucci (pictured at Davos in January), a Trump campaign adviser and member of the transition team’s executive committee.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-investigating-russian-investment-fund-tied-trump-associates?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Gowdy won't investigate Trash, but Repugs going after Lynch

Senators investigate whether Loretta Lynch tried to stifle Clinton email probe

Senate Judiciary Committee leaders said Friday they are seeking information about former attorney general Loretta Lynch's alleged efforts to stifle the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while Clinton was secretary of State.

A spokesman for Lynch said the former attorney general "will cooperate fully with this inquiry and respond directly to the Senate Judiciary Committee."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/06/23/senators-investigate-whether-loretta-lynch-tried-stifle-clinton-email-probe/103140596/

Repugs investigated the SHIT out Hillary's email for months and months, but Lynch obstructed them? :lol

Benghazi! :lol

Hillary murdered Vince Foster! :lol

Whitewater! :lol

[TSA]

CNN: Senate Is Investigating Russian Fund Tied To Trump Associates

The Senate Intelligence Committee is looking into a $10 billion Russian investment fund managed by a Kremlin-run bank tied to several Trump associates,

A congressional source told CNN that lawmakers are investigating the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which is overseen by the state-run Vnesheconombank, whose CEO met with White House adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner in December.

Both the bank and fund have been under U.S. sanction since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea.

Kushner’s December meeting is a focus (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jared-kushner-russian-banker-investigation-congress) for congressional and federal investigators looking into inappropriate contacts between Russian operatives and the Trump campaign,

as is a Jan. 16 meeting between the RDIF’s chief executive and Anthony Scaramucci (pictured at Davos in January), a Trump campaign adviser and member of the transition team’s executive committee.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-investigating-russian-investment-fund-tied-trump-associates?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29





CNN deletes, retracts story linking Trump and Russia

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/cnn-deletes-retracts-story-linking-trump-and-russia-20170624.html?mobi=true

:lol CNN

[boutons_deux]

HOW AN ENTIRE NATION BECAME RUSSIA'S TEST LAB FOR CYBERWAR

For the past 14 months, Yasinsky had found himself at the center of an enveloping crisis. A growing roster of Ukrainian companies and government agencies had come to him to analyze a plague of cyberattacks that were hitting them in rapid, remorseless succession.

A single group of hackers seemed to be behind all of it. Now he couldn’t suppress the sense that those same phantoms, whose fingerprints he had traced for more than a year, had reached back, out through the internet’s ether, into his home.

the blackouts weren’t just isolated attacks.

They were part of a digital blitzkrieg that has pummeled Ukraine for the past three years—a sustained cyber*assault unlike any the world has ever seen.

A hacker army has systematically undermined practically every sector of Ukraine: media, finance, transportation, military, politics, energy.

Wave after wave of intrusions have deleted data, destroyed computers, and in some cases paralyzed organizations’ most basic functions.

“You can’t really find a space in Ukraine where there hasn’t been an attack,”

says Kenneth Geers, a NATO ambassador who focuses on cybersecurity.

In a public statement in December, Ukraine’s president, Petro Poroshenko, reported that there had been

6,500 cyberattacks on 36 Ukrainian targets in just the previous two months.

International cybersecurity analysts have stopped just short of conclusively attributing these attacks to the Kremlin, but Poroshenko didn’t hesitate:

Ukraine’s investigations, he said, point to the “direct or indirect involvement of secret services of Russia, which have unleashed a cyberwar against our country.”

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/

It's assuringly wonderful that Repugs have resisted ALL attempts to protect, harden US voting machines?

And the Repug Federal initiative to force states to harden all their systems, with Federal funds to implement the mandate leaves weeping with joy.

[Reck]

CNN deletes, retracts story linking Trump and Russia

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/cnn-deletes-retracts-story-linking-trump-and-russia-20170624.html?mobi=true

:lol CNN

Unlike Fox who hasn't had to retract and delete stories.

Oh nevermind, they have.

http://thehill.com/media/334781-fox-news-retracts-seth-rich-conspiracy-story

:lol

Common practice.

[boutons_deux]

Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

Since the Obama Administration was told way before the 2016 Election

that the Russians were meddling, why no action?

Focus on them, not T!
3:28 PM - 24 Jun 2017 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878711517537083392)

:lol Trash is totally fucked up.

[spurraider21]

deleting/retracting/correcting a story is a good sign for credibility tbh...

[DarrinS]

deleting/retracting/correcting a story is a good sign for credibility tbh...

I agree, but some stories linger for months before being discredited.

[ducks]

CNN: Senate Is Investigating Russian Fund Tied To Trump Associates

The Senate Intelligence Committee is looking into a $10 billion Russian investment fund managed by a Kremlin-run bank tied to several Trump associates,

A congressional source told CNN that lawmakers are investigating the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which is overseen by the state-run Vnesheconombank, whose CEO met with White House adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner in December.

Both the bank and fund have been under U.S. sanction since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea.

Kushner’s December meeting is a focus (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jared-kushner-russian-banker-investigation-congress) for congressional and federal investigators looking into inappropriate contacts between Russian operatives and the Trump campaign,

as is a Jan. 16 meeting between the RDIF’s chief executive and Anthony Scaramucci (pictured at Davos in January), a Trump campaign adviser and member of the transition team’s executive committee.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-investigating-russian-investment-fund-tied-trump-associates?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29





Cnn just retracted

[ducks]

CNN has retracted a report linking Anthony Scaramucci, a key ally of President Donald Trump, to a Russian investment fund managed by a Moscow-controlled bank.

"On June 22, 2017, CNN.com published a story connecting Anthony Scaramucci with investigations into the Russian Direct Investment Fund," the cable news network said in a statement posted Friday on Twitter.

An editor's note from CNN https://t.co/5bHxUVnHHt pic.twitter.com/W3IjT5FPN8

— CNN (@CNN) June 24, 2017
"That story did not meet CNN's editorial standards and has been retracted," the statement said. "Links to the story have been disabled.

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDHP0HNXUAAeI5b.jpg:large

[djohn2oo8]

879150151968935940
WAPO bodying niggas on a Sunday night

[djohn2oo8]

879158272078557184

[pgardn]

879158272078557184

This is what I attempted to point out.

The WH, because of its intransigence, has allowed the appointment of a Special Counsel with the latitude to look into much more. This thread will come to a needed halt unless Djohn keeps bumping it as this goes underground. What the Cheeto has effectively done is allowed a good looksy into all aspects of his cronies. Trump, because of his temperament, has basically redirected the investigation to ferret out almost anything. Good job Don.

For fcks sake, infrastructure, which was one thing Dem and Rep agreed upon, has fallen prey to petty bitterness. This is why you DO NOT want a steak selling, buffoon, in charge.

Do run your household or business like the government? Fck no.... Primarily because it's not a Fckn government.

Ahhh... I'm relatively young. Lessons will be learned.
Maybe.

[djohn2oo8]

This is what I attempted to point out.

The WH, because of its intransigence, has allowed the appointment of a Special Counsel with the latitude to look into much more. This thread will come to a needed halt unless Djohn keeps bumping it as this goes underground. What the Cheeto has effectively done is allowed a good looksy into all aspects of his cronies. Trump, because of his temperament, has basically redirected the investigation to ferret out almost anything. Good job Don.

For fcks sake, infrastructure, which was one thing Dem and Rep agreed upon, has fallen prey to petty bitterness. This is why you DO NOT want a steak selling, buffoon, in charge.

Do run your household or business like the government? Fck no.... Primarily because it's not a Fckn government.

Ahhh... I'm relatively young. Lessons will be learned.
Maybe.

Here's some background on that bank that was hit with a fine for money laundering

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/investing/deutsche-bank-us-fine-russia-money-laundering/index.html

[pgardn]

Here's some background on that bank that was hit with a fine for money laundering

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/investing/deutsche-bank-us-fine-russia-money-laundering/index.html

Why do Russians need to launder...
Because there are sanctions against individuals hiding behind a business.
This is a recipe for helpers which some Banks all over the world are willing to test.
There are many "businessmen" willing to help feed the market.

And this just boosts my point. Collusion??? This implies some sense of organized cooperation. How? How with this president and WH...

You just need to concentrate on obstruction and financials. And this will not be popular and immediate.
So... End the thread

[Adam Lambert]

drainin dat swamp

[djohn2oo8]

Why do Russians need to launder...
Because there are sanctions against individuals hiding behind a business.
This is a recipe for helpers which some Banks all over the world are willing to test.
There are many "businessmen" willing to help feed the market.

And this just boosts my point. Collusion??? This implies some sense of organized cooperation. How? How with this president and WH...

You just need to concentrate on obstruction and financials. And this will not be popular and immediate.
So... End the thread

Doesn't matter what I concentrate on. What matters is what Mueller concentrates on and that is EVERYTHING. Three fronts. Espionage. Money laundering. And Obstruction. And you mean to tell me that Russia hacked voter rolls out of the blue? The CIA intercepted Putin's plan to hurt Hillary and help Trump. What has yet to come out? Alot, including Trump being recorded on tape promising to lift sanctions. So no I'm not ending this thread.

[djohn2oo8]

BTW, money laundering can easily prove collusion. It will.

[boutons_deux]

BTW, money laundering can easily prove collusion. It will.

Trash and team has already been convicted of money laundering some years ago.

[boutons_deux]

‘What The F*ck Was That?!’ John Oliver Reacts to Trump’s Explanation of ‘Tapes’ Tweet


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/what-the-fck-was-that-john-oliver-reacts-to-trumps-explanation-of-tapes-tweet/

[boutons_deux]

Kushner firm’s $285 million Deutsche Bank loan came just before Election Day

One month before Election Day, Jared Kushner’s real estate company finalized a $285 million loan as part of a refinancing package for its property near Times Square in Manhattan.

The loan came at a critical moment. Kushner was playing a key role in the presidential campaign of his father-in-law, Donald Trump.

The lender, Deutsche Bank, was negotiating to settle a federal mortgage fraud case and charges from New York state regulators that it aided a possible Russian money-laundering scheme.

The cases were settled in December and January.
Now, Kushner’s association with Deutsche Bank is among a number of financial matters that could come under focus as his business activities are reviewed by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who is examining (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/special-counsel-is-investigating-jared-kushners-business-dealings/2017/06/15/5d9a32c6-51f2-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html?utm_term=.6cd883b63531)Kus hner as part of a broader investigation into possible Russian influence in the election.

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/kushner-firms-285-million-deutsche-bank-loan-came-just-before-election-day/2017/06/25/984f3acc-4f88-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_campaign=pubexchange&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=huffingtonpost.com&utm_term=.9aea549e7b83)Deutsche Bank loans to Trump and his family members have come under scrutiny. As Trump’s biggest lender, the bank supplied funds to him when other banks balked at the risk.

As of last year, Trump’s companies had about $364 million in outstanding debts to the bank. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/deutsche-bank-agrees-to-pay-72-billion-to-settle-mortgage-abuse-case/2016/12/22/d3eac2b4-c6ca-11e6-bf4b-2c064d32a4bf_story.html?utm_term=.3030174d02ba)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/kushner-firms-285-million-deutsche-bank-loan-came-just-before-election-day/2017/06/25/984f3acc-4f88-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_campaign=pubexchange&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=huffingtonpost.com&utm_term=.9aea549e7b83 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/kushner-firms-285-million-deutsche-bank-loan-came-just-before-election-day/2017/06/25/984f3acc-4f88-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_campaign=pubexchange&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=huffingtonpost.com&utm_term=.9aea549e7b83)

Deutsche Bank to pay $95 million to end US tax fraud case

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/deutsche-bank-to-pay-95-million-to-end-us-tax-fraud-case.html


Deutsche Bank Agrees to Pay $7.2 Billion for Misleading Investors in its Sale of Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/deutsche-bank-agrees-pay-72-billion-misleading-investors-its-sale-residential-mortgage-backed

[pgardn]

Doesn't matter what I concentrate on. What matters is what Mueller concentrates on and that is EVERYTHING. Three fronts. Espionage. Money laundering. And Obstruction. And you mean to tell me that Russia hacked voter rolls out of the blue? The CIA intercepted Putin's plan to hurt Hillary and help Trump. What has yet to come out? Alot, including Trump being recorded on tape promising to lift sanctions. So no I'm not ending this thread.

The Russians primary objective was to interject chaos into our voting system. They had no F'N idea Trump would win. Their plan was simple. Cause the kind of chaos you continue to rattle on about.

So you are telling me that the Russians got together with Trump's people and hatched a plan whereby Trump would win the election via electronic tampering?

No.
Absolutely No IMO.

Why do Democrats keep up this foolishness.

And as I said before, with Trump's childish behavior in this whole ordeal it is more likely to cause OTHER issues that get him and or others into trouble. Again, the attempts to create some coherent plotting is ludicrous.

[pgardn]

BTW, money laundering can easily prove collusion. It will.

Not collusion in winning the election via Russian injected computer chaos.

You gotta know this.

[DarrinS]

Not collusion in winning the election via Russian injected computer chaos.

You gotta know this.


When people really want something so badly to be true, it clouds their judgment.

[monosylab1k]

I will be on the Jerry Sandusky show to discuss the latest on the witch-hunts against Fred Durst, Sammy Davis Jr, and Donald Trump.

TIME: 6 PM eastern, Thursday, August 27.

Please listen live or podcast at:

:ihit

http://fistme.com/

[RandomGuy]

When people really want something so badly to be true, it clouds their judgment.


ELECTION 2016
An Insider's View: The Dark Rigidity of Fundamentalist Rural America (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/rural-america-understanding-isnt-problem)

http://www.alternet.org/sites/default/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/farmer.jpg

Indeed.

[RandomGuy]

But then, predicting what Trump will, or won't do is sort of a mugs game. He never fails to do the stupidest shit possible, just when you think he can't be dumber.

The thing about a good theory though, it that it both explains facts, and you can make testable predictions.

Fact 1:
Russia attempted to hack our electoral process through a multi-pronged attack.

Fact 2:
Donald "look how big my inauguration crowd was" Trump has done nothing but deny this even happened. He has shown no willingness whatsoever to hold Russia to account for anything.

Fact 3:
Donald Trump has a pattern of criticizing anyone, and everyone at the drop of a hat. Allies, enemies, courts, free press, nothing has escaped his remarks and twitter feed, except for ONE/(two) thing(s), and that is Russia/Putin

Fact 4:
Russian efforts appeared designed to support Trump

Fact 5:
Trump directly called on Russia publicly to support his efforts to get elected.

Theory:
Donald Trump has been compromised in some way. Either he directly owes them money, or they have evidence of some kind of him breaking the law or doing something he does not want others to know about.

This theory explains those facts, and is fully consistent with observed reality.

Prediction:
Donald Trump will take no action personally, nor will he criticize Russia or Putin in any way in regards to the Russian attack on our elections. He may allow his underlings to do some minor, inconsequential stuff, and if forced to do anything by Congress will drag his feet, if not outright attempt to veto any sanctions.


The way to falsify the theory:
1) Trump criticizes Putin/Russia (good)
2) Trump orders/takes action that materially harms Russian interests (definitive)

Bullshit conspiracy theories fail very often because either: they cannot be falsified, or they directly conflict with observed reality. This theory can be falsified, and does not conflict with what we know as fact.

Donald Trump is unpredictable except for Russia.

He may be stupid enough to fire Mueller if Mueller starts asking questions that will expose how he has been compromised.

If he does so, he will be impeached. The Republican party will have almost no choice at that point. Congress will find their spine, because they want to be re-elected, and Trump will have gone too far for all but the most jaded hacks.

Trump administration moves to return Russian compounds in Maryland and New York
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/shuttered-russian-compounds-in-u-s-may-be-re-opened/

This action is consistent with the hypothesis.

It should be noted that Russia didn't give anything for this. Mr. "Good Deal" got bupkiss in return for this.

[Pavlov]

Not just Trump -- Trump boy fans here have not bad to say about Putin and Mother Russia either.

Make our work for Mother Russia so easier.

[ducks]

Cnn
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-changing-russia-reporting-procedures-after-retraction-report/article/2627041

[Galileo]

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Fox "state media", hilarious

Fox News Just Excused Trump’s Potential Treason

Hume begins by parroting the administration’s talking points that are trying to undermine the public’s trust in Mueller’s integrity and credibility:


[Special counsel Robert Mueller has] “hired several lawyers who have made contributions to the Democratic Party, and would appear, at least on the surface, to be Democrats and perhaps Democratic partisans….

…It’s worth noting, I think, that this investigation has never been officially described as anything other than a counterintelligence investigation,

which is to say that its purpose was to find out the extent of the Russians’ attempts to interfere in the election and influence the election.

It was not therefore a criminal investigation, and has never been described as a criminal investigation.

Do we all now believe it has now become a criminal investigation?”

Mueller’s investigation has indeed morphed into a criminal inquiry.

Hume goes off the deep end:


“But what crime?

Can anybody identify the crime?

Collusion, while it would be obviously alarming and highly inappropriate for the Trump campaign, of which there is no evidence by the way, of colluding with the Russians.

It’s not a crime.

So are we talking about here the president’s firing of Comey being an obstruction of justice?

And they got a grand jury on that?

Is that was this is about?”

Hume and Fox are now saying essentially:

“Well even if the Russians did hack the elections, and

Trump’s campaign colluded with them, what’s the big deal?

It’s not like treason is a crime or anything.”



http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/25/fox-news-just-excused-trumps-potential-treason/ (http://washingtonjournal.com/2017/06/25/fox-news-just-excused-trumps-potential-treason/)

[TSA]

Cnn
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-changing-russia-reporting-procedures-after-retraction-report/article/2627041

CNN busted by Breitbart :lmao

"Stelter, in his Sunday evening newsletter named for the television program he hosts Reliable Sources, credited a Breitbart News investigation with forcing what he admitted is an embarrassing retraction for his employer CNN."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/25/very-fake-news-scandal-cnn-jeff-zucker-network-flack-refuse-to-comment-russia-retraction/

[TSA]

CNN busted by Breitbart :lmao

"Stelter, in his Sunday evening newsletter named for the television program he hosts Reliable Sources, credited a Breitbart News investigation with forcing what he admitted is an embarrassing retraction for his employer CNN."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/25/very-fake-news-scandal-cnn-jeff-zucker-network-flack-refuse-to-comment-russia-retraction/

:bobo to my first ever linked Breitbart article

[Pavlov]

TSA excited.

[boutons_deux]

Kushner Adds Defense Lawyer To His Team For Federal Russia Probe

added a prominent criminal defense lawyer to the legal team representing him amid the federal probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election

Kushner has retained Abbe Lowell, a powerhouse trial lawyer who has represented (https://www.chadbourne.com/adlowell) high-profile political figures including John Edwards and lobbyist Jack Abramoff

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reports-kushner-hires-defense-lawyer-russia-probe?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20tpm-news%20%28TPMNews%29

[boutons_deux]

Carter Page Confirms ‘Extensive Discussions’ With FBI Over Russia Probehttp://www.mediaite.com/online/carter-page-confirms-extensive-discussions-with-fbi-over-russia-probe/

[Reck]

CNN busted by Breitbart :lmao

"Stelter, in his Sunday evening newsletter named for the television program he hosts Reliable Sources, credited a Breitbart News investigation with forcing what he admitted is an embarrassing retraction for his employer CNN."

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/25/very-fake-news-scandal-cnn-jeff-zucker-network-flack-refuse-to-comment-russia-retraction/

Busted by?

What did Breitbart do to bust CNN?

By semen shielding for Trump and crying about CNN being mean to Trump?

If anything, CNN is taking extra steps to cover their bases unlike Fox who ran a hack of a story about Seth Rich, took it down and never spoke of it again or took any serious steps to correct future similar hit pieces.

Instead they have their own employees go on camera crying about being silenced about a Seth Rich conspiracy story after being told by a Fox team to cool it. :lol


“I want to say this to you, my loyal audience, which is very important: Please do not interpret what I’m saying tonight to mean anything,” Hannity said. “Don’t read into this. I promise you I am not doing — going to stop doing my job to the extent of my ability.”He added: “I serve at the pleasure of the Fox News Channel. And I am here to do my job every night. I’m under contract, as long as they seem to want me.”
Earlier on Tuesday, Hannity seemed defiant, even as Fox backed down from the story. He said on his radio show that he felt badly for Rich’s family, but added that it was his “moral obligation” to ask whether a DNC whistleblower was in touch with WikiLeaks.

:lmao

[TSA]

Busted by?

What did Breitbart do to bust CNN?

By semen shielding for Trump and crying about CNN being mean to Trump?

If anything, CNN is taking extra steps to cover their bases unlike Fox who ran a hack of a story about Seth Rich, took it down and never spoke of it again or took any serious steps to correct future similar hit pieces.

Instead they have their own employees go on camera crying about being silenced about a Seth Rich conspiracy story after being told by a Fox team to cool it. :lol



:lmao

What part of the only sentence I quoted from the article are you having trouble comprehending?

[boutons_deux]

It looks like the right-wing hate media is expecting Mueller to find collusion, so they are now saying collusion with the enemy is OK

Brit Hume (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/06/25/foxs-brit-hume-even-if-trump-campaign-did-collude-russia-it-s-not-crime/217024)
Collusion, while it would be obviously alarming and highly inappropriate for the Trump campaign, of which there is no evidence by the way, of colluding with the Russians. It's not a crime.


Sean Hannity (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/06/23/Sean-Hannity-If-Trump-campaign-communicated-with-and-asked-Russia-to-release-hacked-emails/217020)
What was the collusion? That maybe somebody in the Trump campaign talked to somebody in Russia … Is that a crime?

Gregg Jarrett (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/05/30/foxs-gregg-jarrett-you-can-collude-all-you-want-foreign-government-election/216707)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: collusion is not a crime. ... You can collude all you want with a foreign government in an election.


It’s not just that Fox and Donald’s Friends are so anxious to explain that collusion is not a crime, and it’s just not that Trump’s weekend and morning tweets worked to turn collusion into one of those words that Republicans can throw around recklessly—like traitor.

Trump’s tweets also set a new standard for what constitutes acceptable evidence of an issue.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/6/26/1675319/-Republicans-make-jaw-dropping-shift-You-can-collude-all-you-want-with-a-foreign-government?detail=emaildkre




Trash: no collusion tape? then no crime

[ducks]

Report: CNN Producer Says Trump 'Probably Right' About Russia 'Witch Hunt'

[ducks]

http://www.veritaslive.com/06-26-2017/americanpravdacnn.html

[RandomGuy]

If anything, CNN is taking extra steps to cover their bases unlike Fox who ran a hack of a story about Seth Rich, took it down and never spoke of it again or took any serious steps to correct future similar hit pieces.

Instead they have their own employees go on camera crying about being silenced about a Seth Rich conspiracy story after being told by a Fox team to cool it. :lol

:lmao

... and that is the difference.

I can't remember Fox ever really forcing anyone out for any of the bogus bullshit stories they have peddled over the years.

This kind of thing is what makes me call bullshit when people say both sides are equally bad. They aren't.

[DarrinS]

Podesta testified in closed hearing yesterday. I guess it was too embarrassing to admit publicly that he was duped by a phish email, a.k.a. the high-tech Russian cyber attack.

[boutons_deux]

duped by a phish email

.... not a crime, unlike the widespread criminality to be exposed, probably already known to investigators, by your asshole Trash and team.

[Reck]

Podesta testified in closed hearing yesterday. I guess it was too embarrassing to admit publicly that he was duped by a phish email, a.k.a. the high-tech Russian cyber attack.

Suddenly if you testify in a closed hearing it must mean you're embarrassed or hiding something. :lol

Roger Stone clearly didn't get your memo. Better hurry.

[DarrinS]

Reckless

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn-journalists-resign-latest-example-of-media-recklessness-on-the-russia-threat/

[DarrinS]

Lol, acting FBI director under investigation

http://circa.com/politics/accountability/fbi-chief-mccabe-key-figure-in-russia-probe-under-investigation-for-possible-hatch-act-v

[Pavlov]

Darrin do great work for Mother Russia. We don't have to pay him.

[Reck]

Lol, acting FBI director under investigation

http://circa.com/politics/accountability/fbi-chief-mccabe-key-figure-in-russia-probe-under-investigation-for-possible-hatch-act-v

Why are you rehashing days old stories and year old stories?

Trump put McCabe in after Comey knowing his wife was running for a senate seat.

This seems like a disgrusted FBI agent being mad about being passed over for promotion after McCabe got the job instead. :lol

[Pavlov]

Lol, acting FBI director under investigation

http://circa.com/politics/accountability/fbi-chief-mccabe-key-figure-in-russia-probe-under-investigation-for-possible-hatch-act-vWhat he do illegal?

Please to explain.

[DarrinS]

Darrin do great work for Mother Russia. We don't have to pay him.

Fake Russian love fake Russia news.