Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[Pavlov]

:lmao

Read page 16


http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Carter-Page-FISA-Documents.FOIA-Release-1.pdf


US Law firm = Perkins Coie
US Person #1 = Glen Simpson (Fusion GPS)
Source #1 = Steele
Candidate #1 = Trump

Fails to mention who was funding Simpson.And?

Use your words, Darrin.

Step up.

[DarrinS]

page 54

I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing information regarding Carter W. Page is true and correct.

Signed [redacted] -- Peter Strzok
Supervisory Special Agent
Federal Bureau of Investigation


I have no idea why part of the date is redacted.

[boutons_deux]

starting when?

I have no confidence that the Dems will get their shit together. They are due a big part of the blame for Trash Pres.

The Dem establishment is counter-revolutioning against the progressive social democrat revolution.

Dems fighting among themselves, with the most popular national progressive politician not even a Dem, a great forumula for success.

somebody once said "America is fucked and unfuckable"

[AaronY]

I don't think so, but sometimes a blind pig gets the acorn. Focus on terrible stuff DJT is actually doing has been somewhat relieved.

Rapid cycling of bs will do that.
Every time some shit hits the fan its a distraction from the previous shit supposedly

[Pavlov]

page 54

I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing information regarding Carter W. Page is true and correct.

Signed [redacted] -- Peter Strzok
Supervisory Special Agent
Federal Bureau of Investigation


I have no idea why part of the date is redacted.And?

Darrin, just link up whatever blog/tweet/website is telling you what to think.

[DarrinS]

The Dem establishment is counter-revolutioning against the progressive social democrat revolution.



i.e. the moderates are not letting their party get overtaken by leftist moonbats

[DarrinS]

And?

Darrin, just link up whatever blog/tweet/website is telling you what to think.


Turns out, the "foregoing information regarding Carter W. Page" was not true and correct. Is the agent who signed that in trouble?

[djohn2oo8]

Turns out, the "foregoing information regarding Carter W. Page" was not true and correct. Is the agent who signed that in trouble?

? What trouble? The court found probable cause.

[djohn2oo8]

Darrin is just embarrasing himself.

[Pavlov]

Turns out, the "foregoing information regarding Carter W. Page" was not true and correct. Is the agent who signed that in trouble?How is is not true and correct Darrin?

Post whatever is telling you to say this. You suck at explaining things. Or you're just afraid to. I'll believe either one.

[djohn2oo8]

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[DarrinS]

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And yet, he has never been charged with anything.

[djohn2oo8]

And yet, he has never been charged with anything.

Poor Darrin. He thinks no more indictments are coming. Fool :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Oh and Darrin shilling for another Russian asset. Once again proving he gives no damns about his country.

[boutons_deux]

Trump Demands That N.F.L. Players Stand During Russian National Anthem

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5b5490fd83c30964624876ec/master/w_1298,c_limit/Borowitz-Trump-NFL-Russian-National-Anthem.jpg


WASHINGTON —In a series of early-morning tweets on Sunday, Donald J. Trump demanded that the Russian national anthem be played before every National Football League game and that all N.F.L. players stand during the performance.

Trump asserted that playing the Russian anthem was a

“necessary gesture of good will from the USA to our No. 1 ally,”

and that

“any player who refuses to stand for the Russian antem [sic] hates America!”

Seeming to double down on his demand, Trump tweeted that

all N.F.L. players must remain standing while the color guard unfurls the flag of the Russian Federation.

Trump’s insistence that football players stand for the Russian anthem appeared to come as a surprise to the director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, who first heard about it while appearing at a security forum, in Bethesda, Maryland.

“What kind of fucking bullshit is this?” Coats said,

later saying that he meant no disrespect by that remark.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-demands-that-nfl-players-stand-during-russian-national-anthem (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-demands-that-nfl-players-stand-during-russian-national-anthem)

[boutons_deux]

Trump Boasts That His Impeachment Will Get Higher TV Ratings Than All Other Impeachments

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-boasts-that-his-impeachment-will-get-higher-tv-ratings-than-all-other-impeachments?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20072218&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Borowitz%20072218&utm_content=&spMailingID=13919321&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1441877476&spReportId=MTQ0MTg3NzQ3NgS2 (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-boasts-that-his-impeachment-will-get-higher-tv-ratings-than-all-other-impeachments?mbid=nl_Borowitz%20072218&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Borowitz%20072218&utm_content=&spMailingID=13919321&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1441877476&spReportId=MTQ0MTg3NzQ3NgS2)

[Pavlov]

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lol Dennisonistas

[Pavlov]

And yet, he has never been charged with anything.1020813773693767682lol poor Darrin

[Reck]

Darrin with the unprompted meltdown.

[Pavlov]

Darrin with the unprompted meltdown.Heh, someone really got him worked up this morning but he won't say who.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHE6h4RhIUo

[Pavlov]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHE6h4RhIUolol Dersh

What did you read to make you put up those post with exact page numbers, Darrin?

[Pavlov]

Yep, and there are a lot of things on which I don't agree with Townsend.
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Hope you dipshits are happy you demanded this because of your nothingburger conspiracy theories.

[boutons_deux]

Yep, and there are a lot of things on which I don't agree with Townsend.
Hope you dipshits are happy you demanded this because of your nothingburger conspiracy theories.

Repugs are All Politics, All The Time.

Their overwhelming priority is obeying the oligarchy's $$$, NOT national security, esp not the govt operations which weaken at every opportunity, and finally NOT For The People.

Repugs plan to protect Trash AT ALL COSTS, and fuck everything else: laws, regs, ethics, morals, Constitution.

[koriwhat]

Repugs are All Politics, All The Time.

Their overwhelming priority is obeying the oligarchy's $$$, NOT national security, esp not the govt operations which weaken at every opportunity, and finally NOT For The People.

Repugs plan to protect Trash AT ALL COSTS, and fuck everything else: laws, regs, ethics, morals, Constitution.

so spying is a non issue right? an issue of your golden god's regime... a regime you won't criticize at all and yet here we are. i'll call you all hypocrites today because you all are. go eat dirt with the rest of 'em.

[Pavlov]

so spying is a non issue right? an issue of your golden god's regime... a regime you won't criticize at all and yet here we are. i'll call you all hypocrites today because you all are. go eat dirt with the rest of 'em.It's a counterintelligence investigation.

There is a Russian spy sitting in jail right now who successfully infiltrated the NRA and you're angry that the Us government is concerned about such things.

lol

[koriwhat]

It's a counterintelligence investigation.

There is a Russian spy sitting in jail right now who successfully infiltrated the NRA and you're angry that the Us government is concerned about such things.

lol

nah, i'm worried dipshits like you applaud the efforts of espionage, and possibly more, because your golden god proceeded with such throughout his reign. blind leading the blind.

[Pavlov]

nah, i'm worried dipshits like you applaud the efforts of espionage, and possibly more, because your golden god proceeded with such throughout his reign. blind leading the blind.You lack even basic understanding of anything that's going on. You run only on emotion.

[boutons_deux]

Rep. Roharabacher, Putin’s Favorite, Defends Alleged NRA Spy

he went to bat for Russia again this week, parroting a favorite conspiracy theory of Trump’s — and Vladimir Putin’s

— when confronted about Russian spy Mariia Butina, recently indicted (https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/us-charges-russian-national-maria-butina/index.html) for conspiracy (https://static.politico.com/cb/16/8f07ed504f349d8bfc7aa1c73c43/butina-mariia-indictment-july-17-2018.pdf) to act as an agent of a foreign government.

We now know Rohrabacher met with Butina, but before he would admit to that, he “dismissed the Butina charges as a function of the ‘deep state,’

Rohrabacher went even further, speculating — with no evidence — that the arrest was meant to hurt Trump’s attempts to grow closer to Russian dictator Vladimir Putin.

His office later confirmed to the OC Register that Rohrabacher was, indeed, the congressman mentioned in the indictment.

According to the indictment, Butina operated as a spy before Trump’s election and afterward.

“A month before the 2016 presidential election, prosecutors stated, the two discussed whether Ms. Butina should volunteer to serve as an election observer, but they decided it was too risky,”

reports the New York Times. After Trump’s win in November 2016, Butina wrote to Torshin,

“I am ready for further orders.”

http://www.nationalmemo.com/rep-roharabacher-putins-favorite-defend-alleged-nra-spy/

[koriwhat]

You lack even basic understanding of anything that's going on. You run only on emotion.

nah, i see you for what you are which is a spineless hack. you're mad because you and those like you are so easily figured out. yall aren't deep on any level whatsoever. the only thing that's deep inside of yall is bitterness and lack of a spine.

[boutons_deux]

Maria Butina’s Gun Rights Group Funded Ex-Sheriff David Clarke’s Russia Trip

https://www.mediaite.com/online/maria-butinas-gun-rights-group-funded-ex-sheriff-david-clarkes-russia-trip-docs-reveal/

[Pavlov]

nah, i see you for what you are which is a spineless hack. you're mad because you and those like you are so easily figured out. yall aren't deep on any level whatsoever. the only thing that's deep inside of yall is bitterness and lack of a spine.Great, you say you're on a deep level.

Explain your charges of espionage against Obama.

[boutons_deux]

Mueller going after Dem-spoiler Jill Stein, also a FoP, Friend of Pootin

Jill Stein’s Recount Cash Pays for Her Russia Legal Defense

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jill-steins-recount-cash-pays-for-her-russia-legal-defense

[Spurminator]

lol Dersh

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:lol

[Chris]

lol

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[TSA]

Yep, and there are a lot of things on which I don't agree with Townsend.
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Hope you dipshits are happy you demanded this because of your nothingburger conspiracy theories.

Pavlov thinks the FOIA is irresponsible.

[Chris]

"salacious and unverified" = good enough for a warrant! (also: "don't worry we checked it for accuracy!"; they didn't :lol)

[Chris]

Clapper running his yapper. Doesn't look good for Obama :lol

[Chris]

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[Pavlov]

Pavlov thinks the FOIA is irresponsible.I think this particular release is irresponsible.

Sorry another one of your conspiracy theories dieded, TSA.

I'm glad it was killed by an FIOA release you wanted though.

lol

[Pavlov]

1020865664737824771lol talk radio host

[Chris]

lol talk radio host

lol white flag

[boutons_deux]

Repugs got their tax cut for the oligarchy and themselves, so they don't fucking care about ANYTHING else

Not only will Trash's cult support him no matter what, the Repugs will too in their compliant silence

Repugs are totally corrupt

The G.O.P. Stands By as Trump Upends American Security

In the aftermath of Helsinki, there has been outcry, but no real action, from the Republican establishment.

This summer, President Donald Trump has

upended the basis of American security—

opening a trade war with China,

chastising U.S. allies in Europe, and, at a press conference in Helsinki, following a two-hour private meeting with President Vladimir Putin,

accepting his claim that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election.

The Times reported that U.S. intelligence officials had presented Trump with evidence that Putin himself had ordered cyberattacks in an attempt to affect the electoral outcome.

Just days before the Helsinki meeting, Robert Mueller, the special counsel, indicted a dozen Russian intelligence officers on detailed charges of hacking Democratic e-mail accounts.

In a separate case, prosecutors also accused a Russian woman in Washington, Mariia Butina, of advancing a plot to influence the National Rifle Association.

(Her lawyer has denied the charges.) And still Trump praised the Russian leader.

The outcry, including from Republicans, was instant.

Senator John McCain said, “No prior President has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant.”

McCain’s junior colleague from Arizona, Senator Jeff Flake, called Trump’s behavior “shameful.”

For the rest of the week, the President’s allies tried to signal their independence.

Asked if Trump had been wise to meet one on one with Putin, Dan Coats, the director of National Intelligence, said, “I would have suggested a different way.”

The Senate, in a rare act of unity, passed

a nonbinding resolution :lol

against Putin’s request to interrogate American officials,

a proposition that Trump had entertained but finally rejected.

More remarkable, though, was what didn’t happen.

No one resigned from the Cabinet.

No Republican senators took concrete steps to restrain or contain or censure the President.

Julian Zelizer, a professor of history at Princeton University, noted that,

fifty years ago, “you had elected officials, including the President, who were fundamentally committed to governance.

They weren’t dismissive of the operation.

They were cautious in how they did things because they understood the stakes of what elected officials do.

None of that is true right now.”
The pattern is already visible for the historians of tomorrow.

When Trump hailed neo-Nazis in Charlottesville as “very fine people,”

when he endorsed an accused child molester for the Senate,

when he separated children from their parents at the Mexican border,

the Republican Party, by and large, accepted it.

And, when Coats said, of Russian cyberattacks, that “warning lights are blinking red again,”

the Party did not pressure the President to mount a defense.

Meanwhile, Trump returned from Helsinki and resumed berating fellow-Americans, especially the press (“the real enemy of the people”).

On Thursday, it was announced that he had invited Putin to visit Washington in the fall—

an invitation that Coats learned of from an interviewer.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/30/the-gop-stands-by-as-trump-upends-american-security?mbid=nl_Daily%20072218&CNDID=43758549&utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20072218&utm_content=&spMailingID=13919520&spUserID=MTQzNTk4NzA3ODYzS0&spJobID=1441886355&spReportId=MTQ0MTg4NjM1NQS2

All y'all Trash fellators wanted Trash to fuck things up? Well, Mission Accomplished

But y'all Trash fellators get NOTHING, except continued flat incomes, trade war job losses and higher prices, higher rents, higher gas prices, losing health insurnace, higher/unaffordable premiums, etc, etc.

And the Repugs don't care. A lot of them are going to exposed as traitors, as Pootin playthings.

Remember when the oligarchy threatened to cut Repug funding if the tax cut didn't get done?

Well, the Repugs responded to their paymasters.

America is oligarchy-fucked and unfuckable.

[Pavlov]

lol white flagNo, I'm mocking your posting of a tweet from a talk radio host.

Steele didn't try to influence the election by going to the FBI. That's stupid.

[djohn2oo8]

oh and lol Nunes memo

[Pavlov]

oh and lol Nunes memo:lmao

Chris and TSA need to explain why Nunes lied about all this shit.

[Reck]

You lack even basic understanding of anything that's going on. You run only on emotion.

yea well kill yourself.

-signed,
calfie

[TSA]

:lmao

Chris and TSA need to explain why Nunes lied about all this shit.

What did Nunes lie about? Be specific and go paragraph by paragraph in the Nunes memo.


FISA warrant application supports Nunes memo

by Byron York | July 22, 2018 05:30 PM
The weekend release of a highly-redacted version of the FBI's application for a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to wiretap onetime Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page has renewed the argument over the Nunes memo — the brief report produced by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes detailing problems in the application. From the time of the memo's release in February, Democrats and some in the press have denounced it as a collection of lies and mischaracterizations. On Saturday night, the denouncing started again. "The only thing the newly released FISA documents show is that Republicans have been lying for months," the lefty think tank Center for American Progress said in a typical response.

Now, however, we have both the memo and the FISA application, if in a blacked-out state. We can compare the two. And doing so shows the Nunes memo was overwhelmingly accurate. Perhaps some Democrats do not believe it should have been written, or they dispute what it included and left out, or they do not agree with its conclusions, but it was in fact accurate.

The memo was comprised of a short introduction followed by 13 substantive paragraphs. Here is a look at each one.

The first paragraph:

On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. Page is a US citizen who served as a volunteer advisor to the Trump presidential campaign. Consistent with requirements under FISA, the application had to be first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI. It then required the approval of the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.

That is accurate. The second paragraph:

The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. 1805 (d)(1)) a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

That is accurate. The third paragraph:

Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the FISC are classified. As such, the public’s confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standard, particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the FISC's rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government. In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts. However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted.

That is accurate, but a reading of the last sentence, of course, depends on one's definition of "material and relevant." There is no doubt, however, that Nunes made a case that the information left out of the application, like the specific source of funding for the Steele dossier, was "material and relevant" to the Page case.

The fourth paragraph:

1) The "dossier" compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump's ties to Russia.

That is accurate. When the Nunes memo was released, there was controversy over its assertion that the dossier formed an "essential" part of the Page FISA application. But Senate Judiciary Committee staff, who reviewed the FISA application separately from the House, concluded that the dossier allegations made up the "bulk" of the application. Even a Washington Post article Sunday purporting to debunk the Nunes memo in light of the FISA application conceded that the dossier played "a prominent role" in the FISA application. Finally, the Nunes memo's assertion, noted below, that former FBI number-two Andrew McCabe agreed that "no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information," was not challenged by Democrats when the Nunes memo was made public.

The fifth paragraph:

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

That is accurate. Readers will search the FISA application in vain for any specific mention of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign funding of the dossier. For the most part, names were not used in the application, but Donald Trump was referred to as "Candidate #1," Hillary Clinton was referred to as "Candidate #2," and the Republican Party was referred to as "Political Party #1." Thus, the FISA application could easily have explained that the dossier research was paid for by "Candidate #2" and "Political Party #2," meaning the Democrats. And yet the FBI chose to describe the situation this way, in a footnote: "Source #1...was approached by an identified U.S. person, who indicated to Source #1 that a U.S.-based law firm had hired the identified U.S. person to conduct research regarding Candidate #1's ties to Russia...The identified U.S. person hired Source #1 to conduct this research. The identified U.S. person never advised Source #1 as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #1's ties to Russia. The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign."

Democrats argue that the FISA Court judges should have been able to figure out, from that obscure description, that the DNC and Clinton campaign paid for the dossier. That seems a pretty weak argument, but in any case, the Nunes memo's statement that the FISA application did not disclose or reference the role of the DNC and the Clinton campaign is undeniably true.

The sixth paragraph:

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of -- and paid by -- the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

That is accurate. The seventh paragraph:

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News -- and several other outlets -- in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele's initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington DC in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.

Most of that is accurate. But when the Nunes memo was released, Democrats argued that the FISA application did not use the Yahoo article to corroborate the dossier, but rather -- as it used other news accounts of varying reliability -- to describe part of the Carter Page story. As it turned out, the application used part of the Yahoo piece in a way that suggested it was corroborating the dossier, but it also used part of it as a news account. So call the Nunes memo's corroboration claim only partly accurate.

The eighth paragraph:

a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations -- an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September -- before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October -- but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.

That is accurate. The ninth paragraph:

b) Steele's numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling -- maintaining confidentiality -- and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.

That is accurate. In the initial FISA application, the FBI argued that Steele had not leaked to the media. In later applications, the bureau admitted Steele had leaked but maintained that he was still credible because he only leaked after providing the dossier allegations.

The tenth paragraph:

3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president." This clear evidence of Steele's bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files -- but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.

That is accurate. The eleventh paragraph:

a) During this same time period, Ohr's wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife's opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs' relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.

That is accurate, although one could argue whether the information here was really required for the FISA application; also, the "inexplicably concealed" reference is the opinion of the House committee.

The twelfth paragraph:

4) According to the head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was -- according to his June 2017 testimony -- "salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

That is accurate. The thirteenth, and final, paragraph:

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel's Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an "insurance" policy against President Trump's election.

That is accurate.

Parts of the Nunes memo, like references to the Strzok-Page texts or Bruce Ohr's testimony, contain information that was not in the application. But that does not make it any less accurate. The bottom line is that, whatever the criticism it has received, the Nunes memo was almost entirely accurate. The release of the FISA application supports that view.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

[boutons_deux]

Exactly How Deep Are the Ties Between Russia And Trump's Republican Party?

Top GOP officials know Russia used them to influence the 2016 election. They just don’t care.

But exactly how deep are the claws of the Russian bear dug into the GOP?

The threats against Americans—especially the former ambassador—are beyond outrageous, and

for any member of the Trump administration to play coy about cooperating with such a plan is despicable.
Alexander Torshin,

now deputy governor of the Russian Central Bank and someone who is currently barred from entering the U.S., has

spent six years building relationships with multiple NRA officials and past presidents,

trying to gain greater access to GOP politicians.
Top GOP officials know all this and don’t care.

According to an analysis (https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-far-wider-trump-inner-circle/) in The Nation:

Russiagate isn’t just the narrow story of a few corrupt officials.

It isn’t even the story of a corrupt president.

It’s the story of a corrupt political party, the one currently holding all the levers of power in Washington.

After Trump groveled before Putin in Helsinki, many Republicans in Washington proclaimed their solemn concern,

just as they did when the president expressed his sympathy for the white supremacists in Charlottesville last year.

But all of them are fully aware that they are abetting a criminal conspiracy, and probably more than one. ...

[Special Counsel Robert] Mueller, who knows more than anyone in the media about the extent of the Russiagate scandal and never leaks, isn’t telling us that Trump colluded and obstructed justice—we already know that, because

we literally saw Trump request on camera, in the summer of 2016, that Russia hack the Clinton campaign,

just as we later saw him bluntly admit to the world that he fired James Comey to end the Russia investigation.

Instead, we are being told

something much more frightening:

that Russiagate doesn’t end with Trump and his inner circle,

that some members of Congress may be implicated,

and that the Republican leadership therefore has a personal stake in

preventing anyone beyond [former Trump campaign Chair Paul] Manafort and

a few other flunkies from being held accountable.


https://www.alternet.org/exactly-how-deep-are-ties-between-russia-and-trumps-republican-party

[dabom]

Nunes doesn't even read the shit. He lets that dude Gowdy read all the shit, and he actually believes Russia is fucking over American elections. :lmao

[dabom]

:lol

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trey-gowdy-whoever-advised-trump-on-russia-should-consider-resigning

[dabom]

One guy reads their briefings, and the other guy twaddles his fucking thumbs. :lmao

[Pavlov]

What did Nunes lie about? Be specific and go paragraph by paragraph in the Nunes memo.


FISA warrant application supports Nunes memo

by Byron York | July 22, 2018 05:30 PM
The weekend release of a highly-redacted version of the FBI's application for a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to wiretap onetime Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page has renewed the argument over the Nunes memo — the brief report produced by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes detailing problems in the application. From the time of the memo's release in February, Democrats and some in the press have denounced it as a collection of lies and mischaracterizations. On Saturday night, the denouncing started again. "The only thing the newly released FISA documents show is that Republicans have been lying for months," the lefty think tank Center for American Progress said in a typical response.

Now, however, we have both the memo and the FISA application, if in a blacked-out state. We can compare the two. And doing so shows the Nunes memo was overwhelmingly accurate. Perhaps some Democrats do not believe it should have been written, or they dispute what it included and left out, or they do not agree with its conclusions, but it was in fact accurate.

The memo was comprised of a short introduction followed by 13 substantive paragraphs. Here is a look at each one.

The first paragraph:

On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. Page is a US citizen who served as a volunteer advisor to the Trump presidential campaign. Consistent with requirements under FISA, the application had to be first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI. It then required the approval of the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the Senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.

That is accurate. The second paragraph:

The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. 1805 (d)(1)) a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI, and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Sally Yates, then-Acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

That is accurate. The third paragraph:

Due to the sensitive nature of foreign intelligence activity, FISA submissions (including renewals) before the FISC are classified. As such, the public’s confidence in the integrity of the FISA process depends on the court’s ability to hold the government to the highest standard, particularly as it relates to surveillance of American citizens. However, the FISC's rigor in protecting the rights of Americans, which is reinforced by 90-day renewals of surveillance orders, is necessarily dependent on the government’s production to the court of all material and relevant facts. This should include information potentially favorable to the target of the FISA application that is known by the government. In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts. However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted.

That is accurate, but a reading of the last sentence, of course, depends on one's definition of "material and relevant." There is no doubt, however, that Nunes made a case that the information left out of the application, like the specific source of funding for the Steele dossier, was "material and relevant" to the Page case.

The fourth paragraph:

1) The "dossier" compiled by Christopher Steele (Steele dossier) on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory information on Donald Trump's ties to Russia.

That is accurate. When the Nunes memo was released, there was controversy over its assertion that the dossier formed an "essential" part of the Page FISA application. But Senate Judiciary Committee staff, who reviewed the FISA application separately from the House, concluded that the dossier allegations made up the "bulk" of the application. Even a Washington Post article Sunday purporting to debunk the Nunes memo in light of the FISA application conceded that the dossier played "a prominent role" in the FISA application. Finally, the Nunes memo's assertion, noted below, that former FBI number-two Andrew McCabe agreed that "no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information," was not challenged by Democrats when the Nunes memo was made public.

The fifth paragraph:

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

That is accurate. Readers will search the FISA application in vain for any specific mention of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign funding of the dossier. For the most part, names were not used in the application, but Donald Trump was referred to as "Candidate #1," Hillary Clinton was referred to as "Candidate #2," and the Republican Party was referred to as "Political Party #1." Thus, the FISA application could easily have explained that the dossier research was paid for by "Candidate #2" and "Political Party #2," meaning the Democrats. And yet the FBI chose to describe the situation this way, in a footnote: "Source #1...was approached by an identified U.S. person, who indicated to Source #1 that a U.S.-based law firm had hired the identified U.S. person to conduct research regarding Candidate #1's ties to Russia...The identified U.S. person hired Source #1 to conduct this research. The identified U.S. person never advised Source #1 as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #1's ties to Russia. The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign."

Democrats argue that the FISA Court judges should have been able to figure out, from that obscure description, that the DNC and Clinton campaign paid for the dossier. That seems a pretty weak argument, but in any case, the Nunes memo's statement that the FISA application did not disclose or reference the role of the DNC and the Clinton campaign is undeniably true.

The sixth paragraph:

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of -- and paid by -- the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

That is accurate. The seventh paragraph:

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page’s July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News -- and several other outlets -- in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele's initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington DC in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.

Most of that is accurate. But when the Nunes memo was released, Democrats argued that the FISA application did not use the Yahoo article to corroborate the dossier, but rather -- as it used other news accounts of varying reliability -- to describe part of the Carter Page story. As it turned out, the application used part of the Yahoo piece in a way that suggested it was corroborating the dossier, but it also used part of it as a news account. So call the Nunes memo's corroboration claim only partly accurate.

The eighth paragraph:

a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations -- an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September -- before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October -- but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.

That is accurate. The ninth paragraph:

b) Steele's numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling -- maintaining confidentiality -- and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.

That is accurate. In the initial FISA application, the FBI argued that Steele had not leaked to the media. In later applications, the bureau admitted Steele had leaked but maintained that he was still credible because he only leaked after providing the dossier allegations.

The tenth paragraph:

3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the election, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he "was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president." This clear evidence of Steele's bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files -- but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.

That is accurate. The eleventh paragraph:

a) During this same time period, Ohr's wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all of his wife's opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohrs' relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.

That is accurate, although one could argue whether the information here was really required for the FISA application; also, the "inexplicably concealed" reference is the opinion of the House committee.

The twelfth paragraph:

4) According to the head of the counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was -- according to his June 2017 testimony -- "salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

That is accurate. The thirteenth, and final, paragraph:

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos, but there is no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel's Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where they both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an "insurance" policy against President Trump's election.

That is accurate.

Parts of the Nunes memo, like references to the Strzok-Page texts or Bruce Ohr's testimony, contain information that was not in the application. But that does not make it any less accurate. The bottom line is that, whatever the criticism it has received, the Nunes memo was almost entirely accurate. The release of the FISA application supports that view.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fisa-warrant-application-supports-nunes-memo?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=trueNunes upset that specific names weren't used when he himself wanted to make sure American names aren't used in FISA warrant applications.

Have you updated your conspiracy theory TSA?

Do you even have one now?

[djohn2oo8]

For one TSA. Nunes said the FBI didn't notify the court about the potential for political bias in the dossier. That was a lie. You don't want to go down this road.

[TSA]

Nunes upset that specific names weren't used when he himself wanted to make sure American names aren't used in FISA warrant applications.

Have you updated your conspiracy theory TSA?

Do you even have one now?

Don’t be a pussy and immediately run from your backing your claim.

What did Nunes lie about? Be specific and go paragraph by paragraph in the Nunes memo.

[TSA]

For one TSA. Nunes said the FBI didn't notify the court about the potential for political bias in the dossier. That was a lie. You don't want to go down this road.

Actually the Numes memo said this.

“b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of -- and paid by -- the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.”


Was that inaccurate djohn yes or no?

[Pavlov]

Don’t be a pussy and immediately run from your backing your claim.

What did Nunes lie about? Be specific and go paragraph by paragraph in the Nunes memo.Don't have to go paragraph by paragraph.

Already said what he lied about.

Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

[Chris]

That's stupid.

Brilliant retort.

[Pavlov]

Actually the Numes memo said this.

“b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S. person, but does not name Fusion GPS and principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of -- and paid by -- the DNC and Clinton campaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.”


Was that inaccurate djohn yes or no?Yeah, he knew they weren't mentioned because FISA warrants don't ever mention people like that in them.

Nunes knew this. He fought for it. That's why he's a liar.

[dabom]

Calls Orange shit a liar. :lmao


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBXvE2atQio

[Pavlov]

Brilliant retort.What's your conspiracy theory Chris?

Step up.

[boutons_deux]

Steele was hired for oppo research,

but then he found shit he thought was serious enough, even criminal and/or traitorous,

beyond mere political oppo research,

to take to the FBI.

[boutons_deux]

Trump argues the reason Obama didn’t stop Russian meddling is

because it never happened

In another pivot to denying his own intelligence agencies,

President Donald Trump appears to have proclaimed

the Russian meddling in 2016 never occurred.


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/trump-argues-reason-obama-didnt-stop-russian-meddling-never-happened/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[dabom]

When the President is actively lying like this, he should be impeached.

[Chris]

What did Nunes lie about? Be specific and go paragraph by paragraph in the Nunes memo.


Don’t be a pussy and immediately run from your backing your claim.

What did Nunes lie about? Be specific and go paragraph by paragraph in the Nunes memo.


https://media1.tenor.com/images/07ee3c85f8df251c0466cc32b8e35e7f/tenor.gif

[djohn2oo8]

1020801911941943303
Stated to the court for possible bias. Shut yo dumbass up lil Darrin :lol

poor TSA

[Pavlov]

.Sorry, Chris. I already specifically said exactly why Nunes is a liar.

What's your conspiracy theory, Chris?

Step up.

[djohn2oo8]

1020847967916511232
lets compare
:lmao TSA

[djohn2oo8]

1020847275017494528
:rollin TSA

[boutons_deux]

When the President is actively lying like this, he should be impeached.

Repugs don't care.

[TSA]

Yeah, he knew they weren't mentioned because FISA warrants don't ever mention people like that in them.

Nunes knew this. He fought for it. That's why he's a liar.You calling him a liar doesn’t make him one.

For the most part, names were not used in the application, but Donald Trump was referred to as "Candidate #1," Hillary Clinton was referred to as "Candidate #2," and the Republican Party was referred to as "Political Party #1." Thus, the FISA application could easily have explained that the dossier research was paid for by "Candidate #2" and "Political Party #2," meaning the Democrats.


What other “shit” did Nunes lie about Pavlov?

[TSA]

1020847275017494528
:rollin TSA

For the most part, names were not used in the application, but Donald Trump was referred to as "Candidate #1," Hillary Clinton was referred to as "Candidate #2," and the Republican Party was referred to as "Political Party #1." Thus, the FISA application could easily have explained that the dossier research was paid for by "Candidate #2" and "Political Party #2," meaning the Democrats.

[boutons_deux]

Top Intel Democrat accuses GOP of running interference for Trump Organization over Russian money laundering

Schiff saying Trump acted like a man who has something to hide.

The ABC host got right to the point, asking, “Just bluntly, do you believe he is compromised by Vladimir Putin?”

Schiff said that it appeared so.

“I certainly think he’s acting like someone who’s compromised, and

it may very well be that he is compromised or

it may very well be that he believes that he’s compromised,

that the Russians have information on him,” he replied.

The House member and former prosecutor — who has been on the receiving end of insults from the Republican president — then informed the ABC host that

his investigators have been blocked by Republicans from being allowed to look at the Trump Organization’s books.

“We were not permitted to look into one of the allegations that was most serious to me,

and that is

were the Russians laundering money through the Trump Organization?”

he explained.

“The Republicans wouldn’t allow us to go near that.”

“I hope that [special counsel] Bob Mueller’s investigating it,

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/top-intel-democrat-accuses-gop-running-interference-trump-organization-russian-money-laundering/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/top-intel-democrat-accuses-gop-running-interference-trump-organization-russian-money-laundering/)

[Pavlov]

You calling him a liar doesn’t make him one.

For the most part, names were not used in the application, but Donald Trump was referred to as "Candidate #1," Hillary Clinton was referred to as "Candidate #2," and the Republican Party was referred to as "Political Party #1." Thus, the FISA application could easily have explained that the dossier research was paid for by "Candidate #2" and "Political Party #2," meaning the Democrats.Goalpost move.

That's exactly why he's a liar, TSA.

Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

[TSA]

Goalpost move.

That's exactly why he's a liar, TSA.

Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

That doesn’t make him a liar. Anyways you said “Nunes lied about all this shit.”

What else was “all this shit” he lied about?

[djohn2oo8]

1020853493207322626
:lol

[djohn2oo8]

1020846153343078400

[Pavlov]

That doesn’t make him a liar. Anyways you said “Nunes lied about all this shit.”

What else was “all this shit” he lied about?Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

[TSA]

Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

Sorry still working on your claim.

You said “Nunes lied about all this shit.”

What else was “all this shit” he lied about?

[TSA]

Page 53:

We find the following:

The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures…

The 2001 procedures are also known as Woods Procedures. You can read about them here.

Wood Procedures provide for a vetting process of information prior to submission of a FISA Warrant.

The FISA Application makes clear the Steele Dossier was a major component of the FISA Application and subsequent renewals.

Deputy FBI Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

This is problematic for the FBI.

Lack of corroboration of the Steele Dossier was well known within the FBI. This fact was not disclosed to the FISA Court. From the House Memo:

Corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application – per FBI Counterintelligence Head Bill Priestap.
Following Steele’s termination by the FBI, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within the FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated.
James Comey would later refer to the Steele Dossier as “salacious and unverified” in his written prepared statement before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on June 8, 2017.
DNI James Clapper also verified the lack of corroboration and validation of the Steele Dossier. Per Clapper, the Steele Dossier had not been verified by December 2016.

Wood Procedures were, by definition, ignored. By all the signatories at the DOJ & FBI noted above.

Page 320:

The following is noted in a footnote:

The FBI does not believe that Source #1 directly provided this information to the identified news organization that published the September 23 News Article.

This is in reference to the Michael Isikoff article, U.S. Intel Officials Probe Ties Between Trump Adviser and Kremlin.

The footnote is contained in the third and final FISA Renewal.

Both the Grassley Memo and the House Memo make clear the FBI knew of Steele’s disclosures to the press. The Isikoff article was entirely based on information from Steele.

And the FBI lied to the FISA Court about it. All the way to through the final FISA Renewal…

https://themarketswork.com/2018/07/22/questions-carter-page-fisa-applications/

[Pavlov]

Sorry still working on your claim.

You said “Nunes lied about all this shit.”

What else was “all this shit” he lied about?Asked and answered, TSA.

What is your conspiracy theory now?

[Pavlov]

Page 53:

We find the following:

The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures…

The 2001 procedures are also known as Woods Procedures. You can read about them here.

Wood Procedures provide for a vetting process of information prior to submission of a FISA Warrant.

The FISA Application makes clear the Steele Dossier was a major component of the FISA Application and subsequent renewals.

Deputy FBI Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

This is problematic for the FBI.

Lack of corroboration of the Steele Dossier was well known within the FBI. This fact was not disclosed to the FISA Court. From the House Memo:

Corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the initial Page FISA application – per FBI Counterintelligence Head Bill Priestap.
Following Steele’s termination by the FBI, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within the FBI assessed Steele’s reporting as only minimally corroborated.
James Comey would later refer to the Steele Dossier as “salacious and unverified” in his written prepared statement before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence on June 8, 2017.
DNI James Clapper also verified the lack of corroboration and validation of the Steele Dossier. Per Clapper, the Steele Dossier had not been verified by December 2016.

Wood Procedures were, by definition, ignored. By all the signatories at the DOJ & FBI noted above.

Page 320:

The following is noted in a footnote:

The FBI does not believe that Source #1 directly provided this information to the identified news organization that published the September 23 News Article.

This is in reference to the Michael Isikoff article, U.S. Intel Officials Probe Ties Between Trump Adviser and Kremlin.

The footnote is contained in the third and final FISA Renewal.

Both the Grassley Memo and the House Memo make clear the FBI knew of Steele’s disclosures to the press. The Isikoff article was entirely based on information from Steele.

And the FBI lied to the FISA Court about it. All the way to through the final FISA Renewal…

https://themarketswork.com/2018/07/22/questions-carter-page-fisa-applications/A financial analyst weighs in

[TSA]

Asked and answered, TSA.

What is your conspiracy theory now?

I asked you what else you think he lied about. You never answered.

[TSA]

A financial analyst weighs in

Did the FBI follow the Woods procedures concerning the dossier?

Did the FBI lie when they told the court they did not believe Steele provided the the info for the Sep 23rd article?

[djohn2oo8]

Another conspiracy theory dead. Nunes played him like a fiddle.

[Pavlov]

I asked you what else you think he lied about. You never answered.That's the big one. He mischaracterized the entire procedure and you ate it up. That's what all this shit means.

You never answered:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

[Pavlov]

Did the FBI follow the Woods procedures concerning the dossier?

Did the FBI lie when they told the court they did not believe Steele provided the the info for the Sep 23rd article?Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

[djohn2oo8]

:lol

[TSA]

That's the big one. He mischaracterized the entire procedure and you ate it up. That's what all this shit means.

You never answered:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

You’ve only pointed to one instance of what you felt was mischaracterization. And lol at dropping lying and moving to mischaracterizing. How did he “mischaracterize” the entire procedure?

[djohn2oo8]

Posting walls of text because he is too embarrassed to come up with something himself.

[djohn2oo8]

No FBI bias. Too bad TSA. Maybe next time.

[TSA]

Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

Same as it’s always been.

Did the FBI follow the Woods procedures concerning the dossier?

Did the FBI lie when they told the court they did not believe Steele provided the the info for the Sep 23rd article?

[TSA]

Posting walls of text because he is too embarrassed to come up with something himself.

:lol says daily the tweet stormer

[clambake]

big deal. putins apprentice lies about everything.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol says daily the tweet stormer

You sound defeated. As if Nunes was wrong. True story.

[Pavlov]

You’ve only pointed to one instance of what you felt was mischaracterization. And lol at dropping lying and moving to mischaracterizing. How did he “mischaracterize” the entire procedure?
Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

You actually have to say what it is. It has chant several times.

[djohn2oo8]

He can't

[DarrinS]

Asking about conspiracy theories in a thread about the most retarded conspiracy theory. That’s rich.

[Pavlov]

Asking about conspiracy theories in a thread about the mast retarded conspiracy theory. That’s rich.that was TSA's pizzagate theory.

You never said what your theory is Darrin.

[DarrinS]

that was TSA's pizzagate theory.

You never said what your theory is Darrin.


My theory is that Strzok’s FISA application is shady AF. Lol, relies on Steele’s craptastic dossier and you retards claim victory. Unbelievable.

[boutons_deux]

Accused Russian agent Maria Butina met with US Treasury: Fed officials

Accused Russian agent Maria Butina had wider high-level contacts in Washington than previously known,

taking part in 2015 meetings between a visiting Russian official and two senior officials at the U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury Department.

The meetings, revealed by several people familiar with the sessions and a report from a Washington think tank that arranged them,

involved Stanley Fischer, Fed vice chairman at the time, and Nathan Sheets, then Treasury undersecretary for international affairs.

Butina traveled to the United States in April 2015 with Alexander Torshin, then the Russian Central Bank deputy governor, and

they took part in separate meetings with Fischer and Sheets

to discuss U.S.-Russian economic relations during Democratic former President Barack Obama’s administration.

The two meetings, which have not been previously reported,

reveal a wider circle of high-powered connections that Butina sought

to cultivate with American political leaders and special interest groups.

The meetings with Fischer and Sheets were arranged by the

Center for the National Interest, a Washington foreign policy think tank that often advocates pro-Russia views.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/accused-russian-agent-maria-butina-met-us-treasury-fed-officials/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Spurminator]

My theory is that Strzok’s FISA application is shady AF. Lol, relies on Steele’s craptastic dossier and you retards claim victory. Unbelievable.

You seem surprised that the dossier was referenced in this release as a source.

Have you not been paying attention to all of the lead up to this release?

[Reck]

My theory is that Strzok’s FISA application is shady AF. Lol, relies on Steele’s craptastic dossier and you retards claim victory. Unbelievable.

If 4 republicans judges cant convince you that the FISA warrant was proper, than you're just a lost cause.

Your "theory" was already proven wrong 2 years ago when these warrants were granted.

[TSA]

Question pending:

What is your conspiracy theory now?

You actually have to say what it is. It has chant several times.

The same as it’s always been. Trump-Russia election collusion was manufactured.


Did the FBI follow the Woods procedures concerning the dossier?

Did the FBI lie when they told the court they did not believe Steele provided the the info for the Sep 23rd article?

[DarrinS]

You seem surprised that the dossier was referenced in this release as a source.

Have you not been paying attention to all of the lead up to this release?

My only surprise is that it wasn’t redacted. It’s not a good look for FBI and DOJ.

[TSA]

If 4 republicans judges cant convince you that the FISA warrant was proper, than you're just a lost cause.

Your "theory" was already proven wrong 2 years ago when these warrants were granted.

Those 4 judges were lied to and told Woods procedures were followed.

[Winehole23]

My only surprise is that it wasn’t redacted. It’s not a good look for FBI and DOJ.To reference publicly reported information?

Why not?

You'd be bitching if they redacted it

[DarrinS]

To reference publicly reported information?

Why not?

You'd be bitching if they redacted it

I’m glad it wasn’t redacted. Very glad.

[Pavlov]

The same as it’s always been. Trump-Russia election collusion was manufactured.Not good enough.

You're a coward.

[Winehole23]

I’m glad it wasn’t redacted. Very glad.why?

[DarrinS]

why?

Unverified oppo research should never be used as the basis to spy on American citizens. Am I being obtuse?

[Winehole23]

not at all. is it your understanding that the Steele dossier is 100% unverified?

[Winehole23]

or that the FISA approval was based on information from a single source?

hard to see how one reaches either conclusion, except by inference.

[boutons_deux]

The liar’s dividend, and other challenges of deep-fake news

Do the notes taken by the interpreters at the recent Helsinki summit (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/17/helsinki-summit-what-did-trump-and-putin-agree)

include the words “Snowden” and “swap”?

We could ask the Russians to check their (assumed) audio recording and

let us all know whether Presidents Trump and Putin discussed such a prospect during their long private chat.

Trump wrong-footing his own country’s intelligence community (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/17/donald-trump-putin-summit-republicans)

by delivering their most-wanted, Edward Snowden (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance),

seems precisely the trolling that Putin would enjoy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/22/deep-fake-news-donald-trump-vladimir-putin

[Reck]

Those 4 judges were lied to and told Woods procedures were followed.

And your proof that these 4 judges were lied to is where?

Seriously, you conspiracy loving freaks love to believe crazy as fuck shit.

Supposed they were lied to, do you really think the lie would stand for long? Also, who uncovered the so call lies? Trump from twitter?

:lol

[Winehole23]

the FBI gave four Republican judges enough information to evaluate the credibility of Chris Steele. Nunes accused them of hiding the ball and fooling the court.

no such thing happened.

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah. Darrin and crew thinks this is all some sort of hoax when literally everybody involved is Republican. Must be the libs.

[djohn2oo8]

Those 4 judges were lied to and told Woods procedures were followed.

Oh really?

[Spurminator]

Unverified oppo research should never be used as the basis to spy on American citizens. Am I being obtuse?

No, just stupid. You're basically saying you need photographic evidence of a stash of drugs to get a search warrant.

[TSA]

the FBI gave four Republican judges enough information to evaluate the credibility of Chris Steele.:rollin

[djohn2oo8]

First it was the FBI didn't tell the court about the political work of Steele. Now they were lied to. TSA is shameless.

[djohn2oo8]

:rollin

Do you understand how probable cause works?

[TSA]

And your proof that these 4 judges were lied to is where?

Seriously, you conspiracy loving freaks love to believe crazy as fuck shit.

Supposed they were lied to, do you really think the lie would stand for long? Also, who uncovered the so call lies? Trump from twitter?

:lol

Those 4 judges were lied to when the FBI said they followed the Woods procedures.

[djohn2oo8]

Unverified oppo research should never be used as the basis to spy on American citizens. Am I being obtuse?

It was verified dummy. Tell me which parts weren't.

[DarrinS]

the FBI gave four Republican judges enough information to evaluate the credibility of Chris Steele. Nunes accused them of hiding the ball and fooling the court.

no such thing happened.


Duped. Smh

[djohn2oo8]

Those 4 judges were lied to when the FBI said they followed the Woods procedures.

Explain to me the Woods procedures.

[DarrinS]

No, just stupid. You're basically saying you need photographic evidence of a stash of drugs to get a search warrant.

You obviously don’t know how sketchy the dossier is.

[DarrinS]

And based on Russian hearsay. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

You obviously don’t know how sketchy the dossier is.

You don't know how sketchy your theory is. You provide no proof.

[djohn2oo8]

And based on Russian hearsay. :lol

Heresay is now indictments.

[djohn2oo8]

Too bad Darrin. 4 judges found probable cause and there is nothing you can do about it.

[Winehole23]

Those 4 judges were lied to when the FBI said they followed the Woods proceduresnot sure why you think so, but if true, that's a matter for OPR.

if DOJ failed to follow it's own guidelines, presumably someone in the Trump Administration could request a review.

[djohn2oo8]

not sure why you think so, but if true, [/FONT][/COLOR]that's a matter for OPR. if DOJ failed to follow it's own guidelines,presumably someone in the Trump Administration could request a review.

And he won't. Says something right there about his theory.

[Winehole23]

Duped. Smhhow did the FBI fool four FISA judges?

[DarrinS]

not sure why you think so, but if true, that's a matter for OPR.

if DOJ failed to follow it's own guidelines, presumably someone in the Trump Administration could request a review.


FISA application doesn’t explicitly say it was DNC oppo research.

[Pavlov]

Those 4 judges were lied to when the FBI said they followed the Woods procedures.No telling exactly since their reasoning for accepting the Steele information is largely redacted.

I predicted you would be kicking the can into the redacted parts.

I was right.

[DarrinS]

Heresay is now indictments.

Hard whiff

[Pavlov]

FISA application doesn’t explicitly say it was DNC oppo research.And it never would according to the masking rules Nunes fought for.

[djohn2oo8]

1020801911941943303
Stated to the court for possible bias. Shut yo dumbass up lil Darrin :lol


FISA application doesn’t explicitly say it was DNC oppo research.

It was listed by the FBI as possible bias. Quit whining. Your theory ded.

[djohn2oo8]

1020801911941943303
Stated to the court for possible bias. Shut yo dumbass up lil Darrin :lol


And it never would according to the masking rules Nunes fought for.

lol Darrin

[DarrinS]

No telling exactly since their reasoning for accepting the Steele information is largely redacted.

I predicted you would be kicking the can into the redacted parts.

I was right.


I predict redacted parts are even more embarrassing info, but we’ll find out eventually (hopefully).

[Winehole23]

not sure why you would think that. it's extraordinary that we got even a peek.

[DarrinS]

not sure why you would think that. it's extraordinary that we got even a peek.

True. I was very surprised that this was released.

[djohn2oo8]

I predict redacted parts are even more embarrassing info, but we’ll find out eventually (hopefully).

Yeah you can't even wipe your own ass.

[DarrinS]

Yeah you can't even wipe your own ass.

Strong take

[djohn2oo8]

Strong take

You never provide one

[Winehole23]

The list of mistakes is so large the democrats are going to make clean decisions on which to concentrate on.just look how well this one is working:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-approval-rating-inches-higher-buoyed-by-republican-support-1532293201

[DarrinS]

Lol, djohn mad

[djohn2oo8]

Lol, djohn mad

I'm laughing actually. No probable cause changes.

[DarrinS]

Resistards cant even admit genesis of #muhRussiaCollusionGateon very sketchy grounds. This charade will end eventually.

[djohn2oo8]

Look who's mad now.

[DarrinS]

I'm laughing actually. No probable cause changes.

Their initial target walks freely with no charges.

[Pavlov]

Resistards cant even admit genesis of #muhRussiaCollusionGateon very sketchy grounds. This charade will end eventually.The Rosneft stuff alone was accurate enough to conclude the dossier has some merit.

[Pavlov]

Their initial target walks freely with no charges.What does FISA stand for, Darrin?

[djohn2oo8]

Their initial target walks freely with no charges.

Charges don't come from there Darrin. You mad. Using hashtags and shit. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Probable cause exists.

[DarrinS]

What does FISA stand for, Darrin?


Not Freedom to Infiltrate and Spy on American campaigns.

[Pavlov]

Not Freedom to Infiltrate and Spy on American campaigns.You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

What does FISA stand for?

[djohn2oo8]

You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

What does FISA stand for?

Give him a minute. Don't want him to stroke out.

[TSA]

not sure why you think so, but if true, that's a matter for OPR.

if DOJ failed to follow it's own guidelines, presumably someone in the Trump Administration could request a review.

OIG has been. Old news.

[djohn2oo8]

OIG has been. Old news.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

TSA wanna bring up OIG fail memories.

[pgardn]

Not Freedom to Infiltrate and Spy on American campaigns.


How about infiltrate and fck with American campaigns?

Republicans want to pretend Russia does not exist because Orange bumbler is paranoid.

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer the question, Darrin.

What does FISA stand for?

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

It should have a higher bar than TMZ-level oppo research.

[djohn2oo8]

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

It should have a higher bar than TMZ-level oppo research.
You mad.

[Winehole23]

Resistards cant even admit genesis of #muhRussiaCollusionGateon very sketchy grounds. This charade will end eventually.



the original evidentiary basis -- as publicly disclosed -- looks skimpy, but one may well wonder how much evidence in a counter-intelligence investigation will be disclosed publicly pre-trial.

it's borderline shocking that this FISA request got declassified, tbh.

DJT can declassify anything he wants -- why doesn't he tear the veil off the witch hunt?

[Winehole23]

OIG has been. Old news.does the OIG report say the FBI failed to follow Woods procedures?

honest question, my knowledge of it isn't granular like yours -- I didn't have anything riding on it.

[Pavlov]

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

It should have a higher bar than TMZ-level oppo research.Again, the Rosneft info was accurate within a few percentage points. And that's just the easiest to verify publicly.

[Pavlov]

does the OIG report say the FBI failed to follow Woods procedures?

honest question, my knowledge of it isn't granular like yours -- I didn't have anything riding on it.They haven't finished their FISA review. Will almost certainly be as huge a disappointment as the Clinton OIG report was for TSA.

[Winehole23]

Their initial target walks freely with no charges.Not sure who you mean ...

[DarrinS]

the original evidentiary basis -- as publicly disclosed -- looks skimpy, but one may well wonder how much evidence in a counter-intelligence investigation will be disclosed publicly pre-trial.

it's borderline shocking that this FISA request got declassified, tbh.

DJT can declassify anything he wants -- why doesn't he tear the veil off the witch hunt?


All true. I hope he rips that bandaid off.

[DarrinS]

Not sure who you mean ...

Page

[Winehole23]

They haven't finished their FISA review. Will almost certainly be as huge a disappointment as the Clinton OIG report was for TSA.same critical approach as we see here and with the first OIG report: everyone says it confirms the argument they were already making.

[Winehole23]

Pageforgive me for catching at such basic things, but I'm not clear in my own mind -- you're saying Carter Page was the original target of the Mueller investigation?

[DarrinS]

forgive me for catching at such basic things, but I'm not clear in my own mind -- you're saying Carter Page was the original target of the Mueller investigation?

Read the FISA application

[Pavlov]

forgive me for catching at such basic things, but I'm not clear in my own mind -- you're saying Carter Page was the original target of the Mueller investigation?He really doesn't know what he's saying other than "Leave muh Trump alone!"

[Pavlov]

No comment on Rosneft, Darrin?

Do you even know about it?

[Pavlov]

And back to the former FBI agent....
1021056752559820801

[DarrinS]

Those with DTDS desperately wanted this FISA application to have nothing to do with sketchy dossier.

Welp

[Pavlov]

Those with DTDS desperately wanted this FISA application to have nothing to do with sketchy dossier.

WelpDarrin really thinks the dossier is only about pee pee.

Welp.

[Winehole23]

Read the FISA applicationwhat part of it are you referring to? presumably you know-- I have no idea what you have in mind.

[DarrinS]

what part of it are you referring to? presumably you know-- I have no idea what you have in mind.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/95-carter-page-fisa-documents-foia-release/full/optimized.pdf

Page 2

[Pavlov]

what part of it are you referring to? presumably you know-- I have no idea what you have in mind.His answer made no sense. This wasn't the start of the Mueller probe.

[Winehole23]

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/95-carter-page-fisa-documents-foia-release/full/optimized.pdf

Page 2the FBI investigation, ok. I wouldn't necessarily conclude that Carter Page was the original or even the only target of that investigation, but I see what you mean.

I draw no conclusions from the fact he hasn't been prosecuted yet. Other plausible inferences could be made, for example, political temerity -- or loyalty -- on the part of intelligence chiefs.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37246817_10109398839806715_4843884182516006912_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f81a9232ad4add3066d80ea8a8d80b9d&oe=5BD329DF

[Winehole23]

liberals in 2016: at least we'll be entering a golden age of comedy

liberals in 2018: Putin and Trump are gay, lol

[djohn2oo8]

the FBI investigation, ok. I wouldn't necessarily conclude that Carter Page was the original or even the only target of that investigation, but I see what you mean.

I draw no conclusions from the fact he hasn't been prosecuted yet. Other plausible inferences could be made, for example, political temerity -- or loyalty -- on the part of intelligence chiefs.

Mueller's incoming national security related indictments. That is when i would look for it

[Winehole23]

btw, @NRA spokeswoman @DLoesch has removed the NRA from her twitter bio.

why would she do that?

[Winehole23]

1021233285815414784

[dabom]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37246817_10109398839806715_4843884182516006912_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=f81a9232ad4add3066d80ea8a8d80b9d&oe=5BD329DF

Is that what was happening during closed door meeting? :lmao

[Winehole23]

on cue, plenty where it came from I'm sure

[Pavlov]

btw, @NRA spokeswoman @DLoesch has removed the NRA from her twitter bio.

why would she do that?Gonna be tough to separate after being the face of the organization for a year or so.

[boutons_deux]

1021233285815414784

Hilarious. Loesch removes NRA from her bio. :lol

Hyper-patriot, Constitution-loving, 2nd-Amendment-perverting NRA discovered to be a traitor, to be compromised by Russia, for money, of course.

Would ROFLMAO if NRA is indicted for laundering foreign (Russian) money given to Trash.

Trash's IRS has just, in the past few days, protected NRA, retroactively of course, by removing the IRS requirement for NRA to report its (Russian) donors. :lol

Repugs and the right wing orgs are so totally corrupted

Repugs, the swamp monsters par excellence

[Winehole23]

well, we all know how the "fire and fury" thing worked. not too long after that, NK threatened Guam and Trump did nothing.

and this year he kissed Chairman's Kim's ass in public.

[Winehole23]

that's tuffness

[dabom]

well, we all know how the "fire and fury" thing worked. not too long after that, NK threatened Guam and Trump did nothing.

and this year he kissed Chairman's Kim's ass in public.

Speaking of orange shit ass kissing...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfp6JcSU8AAmYGt.jpg

[Monostradamus]

Stupid Watergate: a scandal with all the potential ramifications of Watergate, but where everyone involved is stupid and bad at everything.

[AaronY]

i.e. the moderates are not letting their party get overtaken by leftist moonbats
From your lips to God's ears

[Spurminator]

btw, @NRA spokeswoman @DLoesch has removed the NRA from her twitter bio.

why would she do that?

Maybe she finally regained some dignity and humanity and simply quit.

[ducks]

There's one more way for Mueller's investigation to naturally end: If Rosenstein wants, he could let it expire with the end of the federal government's fiscal year, which is September 30, according to the court filing.
"Special counsels appointed under the regulation can be expected to have a limited time horizon and the investigation a definite endpoint," the prosecutors wrote. "The lifespan and scope of the investigation at all times stay within the [acting] Attorney General's control."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/22/politics/robert-mueller-russia-investigation-length/index.html

[DarrinS]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi-steele-dossier/

[Pavlov]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi-steele-dossier/


:lol like clockwork

[boutons_deux]

Trump calls for end of Mueller probe, :lol

saying it’s ‘discredited’ by Carter Page surveillance :lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-calls-for-end-of-mueller-probe-saying-its-discredited-by-carter-page-surveillance/2018/07/23/c166c2a6-8e64-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?utm_term=.2986cc826be6&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Trash can hear Mueller / NY AG toot-tooting their imminent arrival. :lol

[clambake]

Speaking of orange shit ass kissing...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfp6JcSU8AAmYGt.jpg

lol

[TSA]

1021245439427907586

1021246951596183553

1021248166925094912

1021248989977509889

1021250400924717056

[TSA]

:lol like clockwork

“The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).”

Did the FBI properly follow the Woods procedure yes or no?

[Pavlov]

1021245439427907586

1021246951596183553

1021248166925094912

1021248989977509889

1021250400924717056And?

Page had been outed as a FISA target a weak earlier than these events.

More than one leak, but I guess interesting if the whole first application is out there. More interesting would be the ever expanding findings that appeared in each renewal application.

[Pavlov]

“The FBI has reviewed this verified application for accuracy in accordance with its April 5, 2001 procedures, which include sending a copy of the draft to the appropriate field office(s).”

Did the FBI properly follow the Woods procedure yes or no?You'll have to highlight each use of the dossier in each application for me so I can make a judgment.

Thanks in advance.

[TSA]

You'll have to highlight each use of the dossier in each application for me so I can make a judgment.

Thanks in advance.

Unnecessary. It was used in all applications.

Did the FBI properly follow the Woods procedure yes or no?

[Pavlov]

Unnecessary. It was used in all applications.Straw man. I wasn't arguing that it wasn't. My request indicates precisely the opposite.

You'll have to highlight each use of the dossier in each application for me so I can make a judgment.

Thanks in advance.

[TSA]

Straw man. I wasn't arguing that it wasn't. My request indicates precisely the opposite.

You'll have to highlight each use of the dossier in each application for me so I can make a judgment.

Thanks in advance.

Unnecessary and white flag accepted.

[Pavlov]

Unnecessary and white flag accepted.Necessary. If you can't even say how it was used, I accept your white flag.

It's your claim, dumbass. Back it up or back down.

[TSA]

Necessary. If you can't even say how it was used, I accept your white flag.

It's your claim, dumbass. Back it up or back down.

Completely unnecessary. Pick any time the dossier was used.

Did the FBI properly follow the Woods procedure yes or no?

[Pavlov]

Completely unnecessary. Pick any time the dossier was used.Show them all to me.

It's your claim. Back it up or back down.

[djohn2oo8]

Unnecessary. It was used in all applications.

Did the FBI properly follow the Woods procedure yes or no?

Steele was no longer used as a source after the first one. :lmao TSA

[djohn2oo8]

1021429600495251457
:lmao Manafort

[Pavlov]

1021429600495251457
:lmao ManafortANOTHER DEEP STATE JUDGE!

[TSA]

Show them all to me.

It's your claim. Back it up or back down.

I haven’t made a claim I’ve asked you a simple question that you continue to dodge.

[Reck]

Has Darrin gone to sleep since yesterday? Guy has been putting in the extra work.

:lmao

[TSA]

Steele was no longer used as a source after the first one. :lmao TSA

The dossier was used even after the FBI terminated Steele.

[dabom]

1021429600495251457
:lmao Manafort


ANOTHER DEEP STATE JUDGE!

SOMEONE DO SOMETHING!

[RandomGuy]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/carter-page-fisa-applications-fbi-steele-dossier/

Oddly enough, everything in the Steele dossier that can be independently verified... checks out.

Further, the 412 page application has a LOT more information that is all redacted, and which persuaded four judges to sign off.


The documents released on Saturday show the Steele dossier was part of the FBI’s application, but it wasn’t all of it.

Much of what’s disclosed in the FBI documentation discredits parts of the Nunes memo, a document released by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) in February that claimed the FBI was biased in wiretapping Page and launching the Russia investigation altogether. Judges weighing the application — all four Republican appointees — were made aware of the circumstances of the Steele dossier, and they were provided with evidence beyond its contents anyway.

“I don’t think they did anything wrong. I think they went to the court, they got the judges to approve it, they laid out all the information, and there was a lot of reasons unrelated to the dossier for why they wanted to look at Carter Page,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in a separate appearance on State of the Union on Sunday.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/22/17599786/carter-page-surveillance-fisa-jake-tapper

[Pavlov]

I haven’t made a claim I’ve asked you a simple question that you continue to dodge.Oh, you don't even have a claim about the Woods procedure.

Great -- neither do I. I would have to see each use of the dossier in the applications to make a judgment.

Thanks in advance for compiling them all for me seeing how this is so important to you that you have no claim.

Once you do that, I'll be happy to make a claim that you somehow unable or unwilling to make.

[djohn2oo8]

The dossier was used even after the FBI terminated Steele.

Steele was closed off as a source. :lmao TSA

[Pavlov]

The dossier was used even after the FBI terminated Steele.Show the parts of each application where it was used.

[spurraider21]

"The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign.

. . .

Notwithstanding Source #1's reason for conducting the research into Candidate #1's ties to Russia, based on Source #1's previous reporting history with the FBI, whereby Source #1 provided reliable information to the FBI, the FBI believes Source #1's reporting herein to be credible."

:cry but they didnt disclose the political oppo source

one issue is that they cite to the September 23 article (for which we have learned, iirc, that Steele was the source to) as an additional source, although that is clearly redundant with source #1.

but then that is followed by about 6 pages of reactions, BEFORE getting to their conclusion that they have probable cause. so unless those 6 pages are incoherent rambling, its irresponsible to say "omg that's all they relied on"

[spurraider21]

one of the keys is that they didnt push the entire dossier as credible/verified to the judge... only to support page's contacts with rosneft/divyekin.

just because 100% of the dossier hasn't been verified doesn't mean that, say, 15% has. and if they only presented that 15% to the judge, i dont see why there would be an issue

[RandomGuy]

"The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign.

. . .

Notwithstanding Source #1's reason for conducting the research into Candidate #1's ties to Russia, based on Source #1's previous reporting history with the FBI, whereby Source #1 provided reliable information to the FBI, the FBI believes Source #1's reporting herein to be credible."

:cry but they didnt disclose the political oppo source

one issue is that they cite to the September 23 article (for which we have learned, iirc, that Steele was the source to) as an additional source, although that is clearly redundant with source #1.

but then that is followed by about 6 pages of reactions, BEFORE getting to their conclusion that they have probable cause. so unless those 6 pages are incoherent rambling, its irresponsible to say "omg that's all they relied on"

That isn't going to stop the delusional nutters from using it, any more than creationists use the same tropes, or Cosmored's "what about the jacket flap" schtick.

[spurraider21]

That isn't going to stop the delusional nutters from using it, any more than creationists use the same tropes, or Cosmored's "what about the jacket flap" schtick.
the second application has 15.5 redacted pages in between those sections... that's 9.5 more pages than the previous one, which is consistent with the requirements for the renewal of a FISA warrant... to have separate findings of probable cause.

the third has over 25 redacted pages in that section

the 4th has over 30

they added new information each time and got separate findings of PC

[Pavlov]

"The FBI speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1's campaign.

. . .

Notwithstanding Source #1's reason for conducting the research into Candidate #1's ties to Russia, based on Source #1's previous reporting history with the FBI, whereby Source #1 provided reliable information to the FBI, the FBI believes Source #1's reporting herein to be credible."

:cry but they didnt disclose the political oppo source

one issue is that they cite to the September 23 article (for which we have learned, iirc, that Steele was the source to) as an additional source, although that is clearly redundant with source #1.

but then that is followed by about 6 pages of reactions, BEFORE getting to their conclusion that they have probable cause. so unless those 6 pages are incoherent rambling, its irresponsible to say "omg that's all they relied on"lol

Also, the parts of the dossier that turned out to be the most accurate and quickly verified were those concerning Carter Page.

Add to that Page's previous FISA warrant and his own admission as far back as 2013 that he was an "informal adviser" to the Kremlin -- what more are Darrin and TSA demanding for poor, innocent Carter Page?

[spurraider21]

well those are my thoughts after skimming through it. was in vegas this past weekend so i'm a little late to the party

[RandomGuy]

the second application has 15.5 redacted pages in between those sections... that's 9.5 more pages than the previous one, which is consistent with the requirements for the renewal of a FISA warrant... to have separate findings of probable cause.

the third has over 25 redacted pages in that section

the 4th has over 30

they added new information each time and got separate findings of PC

So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.

[RandomGuy]

lol

Also, the parts of the dossier that turned out to be the most accurate and quickly verified were those concerning Carter Page.

Add to that Page's previous FISA warrant and his own admission as far back as 2013 that he was an "informal adviser" to the Kremlin -- what more are Darrin and TSA demanding for poor, innocent Carter Page?

Don't forget Cohen is in the dossier as well. The one who is about to roll over, and who... taped Trump without Trump knowing.

Stupid Watergate strikes again.

[Pavlov]

So basically the Steele Dossier was right, and the more they dug, the more stuff of what he was doing they found, exactly what one would expect from someone actually doing something wrong that is investigated.At the very least the warrants on Page led to useful foreign intel for almost a full year.

But yeah, Darrin just wants to say "pee pee" again.

[Pavlov]

Don't forget Cohen is in the dossier as well. The one who is about to roll over, and who... taped Trump without Trump knowing.

Stupid Watergate strikes again.Harder to verify but not impossible. The Page parts started being publicly verified before the first renewal application.

[RandomGuy]

At the very least the warrants on Page led to useful foreign intel for almost a full year.

But yeah, Darrin just wants to say "pee pee" again.

Speaking of funny:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LTRwZb35A#

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:lmao Manafort

Lol mueller has to give 5 people immunity to try to bring down Manafort

[ducks]

Sanctions Galore! The 22 Times Trump Has Slapped Down Putin

[ducks]

Bet all 5 given immunity have democrats connections

[ducks]

13 very wricked people

[clambake]

Bet all 5 given immunity have democrats connections

i agree, considering everyone doing the investigating is republican.

[Pavlov]

Looks like Podesta is one of the five that got use immunity. Very interesting.

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[Pavlov]

Looks like Podesta is one of the five that got use immunity. Very interesting.Was Podesta on of the five that got use immunity?

Yes or no.

[boutons_deux]

Was Podesta on of the five that got use immunity?

Yes or no.

Tony Podesta worked for Manafort, John Podesta worked for Clinton(s)

[spurraider21]

According to court filings unsealed by Ellis on Monday, Mueller had requested immunity for Dennis Raico, Cindy Laporta, Conor O’Brien, Donna Duggan and James Brennan.

*edit: ah, this is for virginia case, not DC case

[spurraider21]

:cry but muh tucker
:cry cant cuck the tuck

*edit: see previous post

[Pavlov]

DC trial isn't set to start for two months and Techno_Fog thinks immunity deals have already been filed and in no way could possibly accept that Tuck was simply cucked.

[spurraider21]

still, is tucker really the only source for podesta getting immunity for the DC case?

[Pavlov]

still, is tucker really the only source for podesta getting immunity for the DC case?He never specified which case. Said he had two sauces.