Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[baseline bum]

Fine as long as you disappear forever when you lose the bet. No coming back as faggot account 2.

Dammit I want Dear Leader to go down in flames but I'd miss your stories about hookers and fishing here, as well as the good restaurant recommendations.

[CosmicCowboy]

Like TSA did

Or welch like Reck faggot did.

[djohn2oo8]

Why is this BREAKING? Isn't this what this entire thread is about?

CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.

Because this

[baseline bum]

CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.

Because this

Hopefully they take that faggot down.

[Reck]

Fine as long as you disappear forever when you lose the bet. No coming back as faggot account 2.

LMAO. You need this site as bad as cuck TSA does. You'll never leave it because its the only thing you have left, old man. :lmao

[boutons_deux]

NY AG Schneiderman has assigned a lawyer full-time to dig up stuff on Trash.

[DarrinS]

CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.

Because this


That's over a years' worth of surveillance. :lol

[Reck]

That's over a years' worth of surveillance. :lol

And the beauty is that is not only the FBI gathering intelligence.

No wonder Trump walked out of signing executive orders yesterday. He's really not having a great 100 days.


CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-meddling-investigation-misinformation-tactics-senate-intelligence-committee/) as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.


Now, one year after the Russian operation began, sources say the FBI’s investigation is nowhere near over. It involves dozens of agents in Washington, New York and London. The NSA and CIA are also gathering intelligence from inside Russia.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-probing-whether-trump-aides-helped-russian-intel-in-early-2016/

Looks like the FBI is building a fail safe investigation one way or the other.

[Pelicans78]

:lol still pushing the immunity request that never happened

You've become a caricature. Just like other Trump enablers.

[boutons_deux]

seems like he's on his way to becoming Trash's Ken Starr

Rep. Adam Schiff, Trump's public prosecutor, says he must be a 'guardian against the worst abuses'

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-ca-schiff-politics-russia-20170331-story.html

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

Trump melting down on Twitter :lol

[Reck]

Trump melting down on Twitter :lol

Does he regret putting himself on the spotlight? I bet. :lol

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dag6L7tnCEo

[florige]

Trump melting down on Twitter :lol


http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-executive-order-signing-walk-out/index.html

Looks likes he's upset that the power of the Presidency does not control everything and the President isn't immune to a investigation. I guess he thought he would be literally king and everything he said would go. Thats the only thing i can see behind his tantrums he is throwing.

[djohn2oo8]

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:lol Kremlin Clan. Thats catchy.

[djohn2oo8]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/31/politics/donald-trump-executive-order-signing-walk-out/index.html

Looks likes he's upset that the power of the Presidency does not control everything and the President isn't immune to a investigation. I guess he thought he would be literally king and everything he said would go. Thats the only thing i can see behind his tantrums he is throwing.

Of course. He thought the Presidency would hide his transgressions. Secretly though, If he thinks resigning will get him off the hook he is sorely mistaken. Though that would be the quickest way to get him out.

[baseline bum]

Of course. He thought the Presidency would hide his transgressions. Secretly though, If he thinks resigning will get him off the hook he is sorely mistaken. Though that would be the quickest way to get him out.

Of course it would, Pence would pardon him.

[DarrinS]

Guilty until proven innocent, amirite?

[DarrinS]

And lol at old bat Maxine Waters.

[Kim Jong-il]

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Flynn's lawyer back in November :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Of course it would, Pence would pardon him.

He would Pardon him if he takes over for Trump. There is also a chance, that if Russia has directly tampered with the voting polls, the Supreme Court will hear a case for a special election.

[baseline bum]

He would Pardon him if he takes over for Trump. There is also a chance, that if Russia has directly tampered with the voting polls, the Supreme Court will hear a case for a special election.

Russia didn't tamper in that shit so there is no constitutional crisis that can get a democrat into office any time before 2021. You're getting really delusional.

[djohn2oo8]

Russia didn't tamper in that shit so there is no constitutional crisis that can get a democrat into office any time before 2021. You're getting really delusional.

No. Russia hacked the RNC. They have dirt on many Republicans including McConnell and Ryan. If they have Kompromat on Pence, it's over. The Supreme Court will have a case for special election brought before them. Whether they Grant it is a different story.

[djohn2oo8]

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Blackmail

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao Trump is really losing his shit this morning

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/847817166716108800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F20 17%2F3%2F31%2F1649073%2F-Big-mouth-Donald-Trump-has-to-be-deeply-regretting-these-campaign-comments-right-about-now

https://i.imgflip.com/1mg0id.jpg

[baseline bum]

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Blackmail

What's so strange? Ryan knows they're losing the house in 2018 if we find out Trump was conspiring with Russia.

[djohn2oo8]

What's so strange? Ryan knows they're losing the house in 2018 if we find out Trump was conspiring with Russia.

Yeah they will lose the house. Ryan was directly briefed ahead of Trump about what documents Nunes saw at the WH. Then Ryan said publicly Nunes was conducting a fair investigation. Right after that, NYT reported the WH officials gave Nunes those documents. Ryan seems willing to torpedo his own career for Trump after previously saying he would never support Trump.

[djohn2oo8]

Here we are and he is defending Trump...

Add to the fact Trump screwed Ryan with the health care vote.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/paul-ryan-pledged-defend-trump-pre-election-recording-article-1.2997163

[boutons_deux]

Are We Having Fun, Yet?

Donald Trump’s joyless presidency

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_960w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/03/17/National-Politics/Images/Botsford170317Trump12949.JPG&w=1484

it seems he lets media scrutiny suck all enjoyment out of a job that represents the ultimate fulfillment of his principal goal in life: winning.

New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman on Friday shared a remarkable and slightly sad — make that sad! (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/835325771858251776) — anecdote from election night.

31 Mar (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/847854913128366080)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/816712341572222976/Iq2We2S-_normal.jpgMaggie Haberman (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT)
(https://twitter.com/maggieNYT)✔ @maggieNYT (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT)

POTUS was so angered by correct reporting @AshleyRParker (https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker) and me re his Twitter use being curtailed at end of campaign that, when a 1/




Follow (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT)
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/816712341572222976/Iq2We2S-_normal.jpgMaggie Haberman (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT)
(https://twitter.com/maggieNYT)✔@maggieNYT (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT)

.@AshleyRParker (https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker) 2/ colleague called to ask him how he felt about winning at 11 pm on election night, he immediately yelled re story https://twitter.com/danscavino/status/847845745004818440 … (https://t.co/n3t24UYIem)
11:56 AM - 31 Mar 2017 (https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/847855178955067392)

Think about that. Trump had just won the White House. He should have been ecstatic. His good mood should have been impermeable.

Instead, an unflattering — but not particularly damaging — press report (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html?_r=0) was on his mind. According to Haberman, Trump couldn't help but vent his anger before basking in his triumph.

Trump's victory speech .... was subdued and informal, like a long toast at a local Rotary Club from a guy who didn't think he was supposed to give a speech — at least not a victory speech.”

He had been president for all of 75 hours when White House press secretary Sean Spicer described him as demoralized (http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/01/23/jim-acosta-sean-spicer-wh-briefing-exchange-cnn-sot.cnn) by the media:

Then in February, during his first news conference as president (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/16/donald-trumps-grievance-filled-press-conference-annotated/?utm_term=.25610ef08ba2) — an opportunity to extol the achievements of his first month — a surly Trump ranted against the media.

Conservative Political Action Conference ... Trump remained under a dark cloud. He devoted 12 minutes at the beginning of his address (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/24/trumps-media-obsessed-cpac-speech-annotated/?utm_term=.ac48675b14af) to airing media grievances.

“the president has been seething as he watches round-the-clock cable news coverage.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/01/donald-trumps-joyless-presidency/?utm_term=.688aaf231471&wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

Fuck Trash, the day is coming when America will vomit this toxic asshole into a sewer.

[Reck]

What's so strange? Ryan knows they're losing the house in 2018 if we find out Trump was conspiring with Russia.

:lol well this is a twist and turn of events.

Not so long ago you said dems wouldn't get anything.

Dems only need to pick up 2 while holding serve which they will do, imo.

They have to defend a lot more seats but its not like they have any competition.

I'm interested in what that faggot Julian Castro is going to do. He said he is thinking about running for the Texas senate seat. That can become competitive. Cruz has been exposed as a weak, lashed dog.

[baseline bum]

:lol well this is a twist and turn of events.

Not so long ago you said dems wouldn't get anything.

Dems only need to pick up 2 while holding serve which they will do, imo.

They have to defend a lot more seats but its not like they have any competition.

I'm interested in what that faggot Julian Castro is going to do. He said he is thinking about running for the Texas senate seat. That can become competitive. Cruz has been exposed as a weak, lashed dog.

I said if we find out Trump was actually conspiring. Which is a pretty enormous if.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[boutons_deux]

Which is a pretty enormous if.

If CIA/NSA/FBI can't prove that Team Trash colluded with Assange, Guccifer, Pootin (not a BIG if), then something else will bring Team Trash down.

My bet is money laundering, which Trash has already been convicted and fined for.

[djohn2oo8]

If CIA/NSA/FBI can't prove that Team Trash colluded with Assange, Guccifer, Pootin (not a BIG if), then something else will bring Team Trash down.

My bet is money laundering, which Trash has already been convicted and fined for.

Trump and his team have been caught on tape. Which is hilarious because it was initially set up as the Russian being bugged and the dumbass Trump people were caught making numerous calls to them.

[boutons_deux]

Who in the hell is Devin Nunes?! Everything you were afraid to ask about this suddenly important person


FULL NAME: Devin Gerard Nunes Icantcommentonthatnow

OCCUPATION: U.S. Representative, California, 22nd District. (Formerly represented California’s 21st District from 2003-2013, but moved to 22nd because of more Wi-Fi hotspots). In 2016, Nunes ran unopposed, yet received more than $1.6 million in campaign contributions. Strangely, 80 percent of the donations were spent on debate prep.

HERITAGE: Portuguese descent, Portuguese-American dissent. Nunes’ ancestry can be traced back to the 15th century, where five distant cousins were crew members on Columbus’ ill-fated fifth ship, the Santa Scurvy.

EARLY LIFE: Nunes’ family has operated a farm in Tulare County, California, for three generations. When Devin was 11, instead of telling his father, he called a local radio station to claim he had found incidental evidence of flies on cows. The next day, he apologized to his father and said he had called into the radio station to win Huey Lewis tickets. The day after that, he revised his statement, now claiming he called in for Huey Long tickets. The day after that, he answered questions before geography class and admitted there were no flies in the direct vicinity of the cows, that he was trying to get on the good side of a pig and that everything he had said might be untrue because his mind had been corrupted by the EPA. Or the ERA. Whatever the one that is against disposable diapers. Despite overwhelming demand among his classmates, he refused to step down as lunchroom monitor.

SPOUSE: Elizabeth Tamariz. She runs a business out of their home breeding lapdogs.

HONORS: In 2013, Nunes was named a Grand Officer of the Order of Prince Henry. This award took the sting out of being nominated but not winning the 2008 Vasco Da Gama Prize for Good Natural Sense of Direction.

ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD: In 2014, in the middle of the California drought, Nunes declared, “Global warming is nonsense. There’s plenty of water.” Two days later, to prove his point, in front of eight constituents, Nunes fashioned a divining rod out of two selfie sticks, staggered 500 feet into an AM-PM MiniMart and emerged with a one-liter bottle of Dasani.
The following year, Nunes coined the term “man-made drought,” claiming environmental regulations had created water restrictions in his home state. “Man-made drought” finished as the second runner-up in Webster’s “Least Convincing New Phrase of 2015” to “Ponzi Clinic.”

INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS: On April 24, 2012, Nunes met with Mexican President Felipe Calderón as part of the U.S.-Mexican Friendship Caucus. Nunes served on the U.S.-Mexican Friendship Caucus until it was disbanded on June 15, 2015, at noon, when workers in the lobby of Trump Tower turned on the down escalator.

FAILED LEGISLATION: In 2004, as an eager freshman congressman, Nunes was unable to find a co-sponsor for a bill that, if passed, would have made it a felony for anyone to view internet porn outside of a SCIF room.

CHAIRMAN: Nunes was named chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence in January 2015, nine months after incumbent Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said he would not seek an eighth term in Congress. Rogers eventually became a national security correspondent for CNN. I’ll take irony for $2,000, Alex.

EARLIER WORK ON HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE: Nunes extensively investigated the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the U.S. embassy in Benghazi and found no evidence of wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton, other than wearing white after Labor Day.

PRESIDENT TRUMP ON NUNES: “He’s a good guy. I like good guys. Let me tell you the type of guys I don’t like. Bad guys. I don’t like bad guys, and what’s more, I don’t care for them. And I should point this out. I called it. I said he was a good guy. I can’t remember where I was, only that it was a huge crowd, I turned to whoever was up my ass and I said, ‘Jared, that guy? He’s a good guy.’ Here’s the thing that’s sad. Nobody reported it. Which is a problem. And I’ll tell you why it’s a problem. Because it’s the type of thing you should report on. When the president calls something. You know that ‘SNL’ midget that just lost on ‘Dancing With the Stars?’ I called it. Nothing. Where is the three-part, you know, three-part investigation exposé on that? See, this is the type of thing we’re dealing with. And, excuse me, one more thing. I never said ‘midget.’”


LAST THING HE RECUSED HIMSELF FROM: The final hour of the film “Loving.”

HOW HE LIKES TO UNWIND: The last 14 years, Nunes and his family have had a summer timeshare in the pocket of the Koch brothers. And starting next month, once a week, he’ll throw on a blazer, hop the fence during a shift change and conduct the White House tour.

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/01/who-in-the-hell-is-devin-nunes-everything-you-were-afraid-to-ask-about-this-suddenly-important-person/

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Reck]

:lol America.

Giving military high ranks to borderline lunatics.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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Casino connected to Trump and known for money laundering.

[pgardn]

Trump and his team have been caught on tape. Which is hilarious because it was initially set up as the Russian being bugged and the dumbass Trump people were caught making numerous calls to them.

Uhhh...

This, in itself, is not good enough to oust anyone in this administration.

[pgardn]

848230995379851264

Casino connected to Trump and known for money laundering.

How is it connected to Trump?
This is a TSA level accusation.

[Reck]

That dude Flynn is dirty as fuck.

Apparently he purposefully ommited payments he got from some Russian companies when he gave the Trump admin his financial disclosure form.

848338146630750208

He's hopeless.

[DMX7]

Iran will be on notice forever and ever.

[djohn2oo8]

How is it connected to Trump?
This is a TSA level accusation.

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[AaronY]

Palmer report is a lousy source tbh

[AaronY]

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/viva-la-resistance-content/515532/

[baseline bum]

Palmer report is a lousy source tbh

You're telling that to someone who keeps posting Louise Mensch's diarrhea. I saw her on Bill Maher's show a couple of weeks ago and she's a fucking loon.

[DMC]

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You make a connection to Trump using "business partner" yet he's now the POTUS and doesn't have one. Then you show a Trump photo with nary a name of the "partner".

Hey look, something something Trump something, but check it out, Trump!

Every POTUS and especially every wealthy white man has shady business partners.

[djohn2oo8]

Palmer report is a lousy source tbh

Saipan, an island of 50,000 residents closer to China than to Hawaii, relaxed rules on casinos in 2014 and soon awarded Imperial Pacific exclusive rights to open casinos there. The casino, run by an executive who cut his teeth in Atlantic City casinos then owned by Donald Trump, enlisted a slate of luminary overseers including former leaders of both the Republican and Democratic national parties in the U.S.


Its board members include James Woolsey, who ran the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency in the early 1990s and was among national-security advisers to Trump’s presidential campaign. Former FBI director Louis Freeh and Ed Rendell, a former Pennsylvania governor and Democratic National Committee chairman, sit on an advisory committee, as does Haley Barbour, the ex-Mississippi governor and Republican National Committee chairman who’s now a prominent lobbyist.

Woolsey, Freeh and Barbour didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.
https://m.mic.com/articles/172734/saipan-casino-why-the-fbi-is-investigating-this-remote-island-casino-with-ties-to-trump#.VAo4rXLtM

Nevermind the fact Flynn talked to Woolsey about a kidnapping attempt.
Not worried though. It will be picked up nationally like everything else.

[djohn2oo8]

You make a connection to Trump using "business partner" yet he's now the POTUS and doesn't have one. Then you show a Trump photo with nary a name of the "partner".

Hey look, something something Trump something, but check it out, Trump!

Every POTUS and especially every wealthy white man has shady business partners.

No one listens to you.

[djohn2oo8]

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lol

[pgardn]

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Read your first story again. They are "descending" because of something that is NOT in any proper time frame.
This is TSA level assertion guilt by association. This is the kind of thing that causes Trumpets to claim witch hunt on something that IS significant.

[djohn2oo8]

Read your first story again. They are "descending" because of something that is NOT in any proper time frame.
This is TSA level assertion guilt by association. This is the kind of thing that causes Trumpets to claim witch hunt on something that IS significant.
You should probably come back once you understand what money laundering is. The casino will be investigated, receipts will be taken. When the story picks up nationally, keep your mouth shut.

[djohn2oo8]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.casino.org/news/saipan-casino-reporting-major-vip-revenues-but-from-where/amp/

Hmm, revenues from casino had raised concerns to the US Treasury department 5 months ago. Like I said, until you research shit yourself shut up.

[djohn2oo8]

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Donny seems scared

[djohn2oo8]

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[pgardn]

You should probably come back once you understand what money laundering is. The casino will be investigated, receipts will be taken. When the story picks up nationally, keep your mouth shut.

If this particular story ties Trump directly to money laundering and therefore a criminal investigation is initiated, I will come back on this board and sing your praises. If it does not, you yet again threw bull shit out there that did not stick and will continue to search the field for another patty to hurl. Your type, as well as TSA, hurts causes of a serious nature.

Breitbart of the Left...

[DarrinS]

djohn2008 is the new boutons

[djohn2oo8]

djohn2008 is the new boutons

Day 73 of the presidency and the investigation is ramping up. I'll gladly snatch your account since you are so sure none of this is credible.

[djohn2oo8]

If this particular story ties Trump directly to money laundering and therefore a criminal investigation is initiated, I will come back on this board and sing your praises. If it does not, you yet again threw bull shit out there that did not stick and will continue to search the field for another patty to hurl. Your type, as well as TSA, hurts causes of a serious nature.

Breitbart of the Left...

Not worried. Indictments are coming and it will be glorious.

[DarrinS]

Day 73 of the presidency and the investigation is ramping up. I'll gladly snatch your account since you are so sure none of this is credible.

If Trump is impeached over this, I'll self-permaban :lol

[boutons_deux]

The WH release Sat on Flynn is backing the bus backwards over him

[pgardn]

This is why all should want Trumpet choices axed:

These are part of Flynn's new released dealings. The guy is a complete bag. And Trump was told this and picked him anyway.

The two forms released by the White House show that Flynn, who retired from the Army in 2014 after being replaced as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, quickly cashed in on his experience and access by working with more than a dozen Washington D.C. consulting firms and Silicon Valley tech companies seeking to expand their federal government contracts — despite his own public condemnation of fellow retired generals who quickly leverage their status in the private sector.
In an interview (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/08/15/trump-adviser-michael-t-flynn-on-his-dinner-with-putin-and-why-russia-today-is-just-like-cnn/?tid=a_inl-amp&utm_term=.cc6d1422fedd) last summer with the Washington Post:
“What do generals do when they get out?" Flynn said. “One of the big companies in Arlington [Virginia] just put out a little call saying, ‘we are looking for two two-stars and two retired one-stars.'”



This Flynn pick was "draining the swamp"
Our president has made absolutely horrible decisions on personnel.
Horrible.

[Quadzilla99]

djohn2008 is the new boutons

He's clearly the left wing mirror image of TSA actually. If you look at the pizza thread it's the same type of wishcasting, BOOM posts etc. and such based on limited info. They're like the ying to each other's yang which is why it's funny when TSA comes in here and mocks him.

[Reck]

If Trump is impeached over this, I'll self-permaban :lol

Because you're too pussy to get the wrath of the fallout since you became such a pro Trump shill? :lol

[DarrinS]

Because you're too pussy to get the wrath of the fallout since you became such a pro Trump shill? :lol

No. Because I don't think it will happen. :lol

[DMC]

You should probably come back once you understand what money laundering is. The casino will be investigated, receipts will be taken. When the story picks up nationally, keep your mouth shut.

Probably a pizza parlor in there as well.

[Reck]

No. Because I don't think it will happen. :lol

By the sound of it, these investigations will last for a year or two so Trump might as well finish out his term while this shit is going on. One thing is for sure though, he's a 1 term and done.

He's badly damanged by all the russian connection already. He ain't getting re-elected with a 35-37% support.

[baseline bum]

By the sound of it, these investigations will last for a year or two so Trump might as well finish out his term while this shit is going on. One thing is for sure though, he's a 1 term and done.

He's badly damanged by all the russian connection already. He ain't getting re-elected with a 35-37% support.

Trump being a one term president is pretty far from a certainty with the DNC in such chaos.

[Quadzilla99]

By the sound of it, these investigations will last for a year or two so Trump might as well finish out his term while this shit is going on. One thing is for sure though, he's a 1 term and done.

He's badly damanged by all the russian connection already. He ain't getting re-elected with a 35-37% support.

Lol It was 37 in some polls when he was elected:
"It’s a dramatic uptick since the election. Trump’s favorability has grown 9 points, 37 percent to 46 percent, compared to a Morning Consult poll right before the election."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-popular-poll-231694

Look at the ratings in the first line chart on the page here for him last year and a half:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

[baseline bum]

If Trump is impeached over this, I'll self-permaban :lol

Bring back the Anti Christ username? :lol

[DarrinS]

Bring back the Anti Christ username? :lol

Sure. Why not? :lol

[Reck]

Trump being a one term president is pretty far from a certainty with the DNC in such chaos.

Is in clean house mode, not chaos.

It's a good thing Perez asked for everyone's resignation.

Trump himself, not th DNC has lit a fire under most people to get him out. All those protests in town hall meetings only speak to the grassroots movement that is going on right now. There is a deep desire to get rid of Trump and that ain't dying. At least for right now.




Lol It was 37 in some polls when he was elected:
"It’s a dramatic uptick since the election. Trump’s favorability has grown 9 points, 37 percent to 46 percent, compared to a Morning Consult poll right before the election."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-popular-poll-231694

Look at the ratings in the first line chart on the page here for him last year and a half:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

Umm he's been losing supports. The charts shows as much.

And if you take the morning consult and Fox polls which are heavily biased and have a strong Trump house effect it gets worse.

[baseline bum]

Is in clean house mode, not chaos.

It's a good thing Perez asked for everyone's resignation.

Trump himself, not th DNC has lit a fire under most people to get him out. All those protests in town hall meetings only speak to the grassroots movement that is going on right now. There is a deep desire to get rid of Trump and that ain't dying. At least for right now.


Just like you were so sure Clinton couldn't lose Pennsylvania?

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB3UNt3DAEg

[Quadzilla99]

Is in clean house mode, not chaos.

It's a good thing Perez asked for everyone's resignation.

Trump himself, not th DNC has lit a fire under most people to get him out. All those protests in town hall meetings only speak to the grassroots movement that is going on right now. There is a deep desire to get rid of Trump and that ain't dying. At least for right now.





Umm he's been losing supports. The charts shows as much.

And if you take the morning consult and Fox polls which are heavily biased and have a strong Trump house effect it gets worse.

It shows his support is higher on average now than it was in November.

[Reck]

Just like you were so sure Clinton couldn't lose Pennsylvania?

Oh wow, great comeback.

You can literally say that about the election which coincidentally everyone--including Trump and his own people thought was going to happen as the results were coming in.

Now get on your quazilla username and try to bolsters this stupid argument. :lol

[Quadzilla99]

Look at it again.

And look at this comparing now to last November:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html#polls

[Reck]

Look at it again.

And look at this comparing now to last November:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html#polls

That's because of the reluctant republican and the cross over voters. It's what happens when teh people that oposed you in the primary votes for you in the general elections. It didn't take long for him to lose that support.

http://i.imgur.com/rsXtujY.jpg

Huge republican uptick. He's since lost the democratic and independent support.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/197576/trump-favorability-trails-presidents-elect.aspx

[TSA]

He's clearly the left wing mirror image of TSA actually. If you look at the pizza thread it's the same type of wishcasting, BOOM posts etc. and such based on limited info. They're like the ying to each other's yang which is why it's funny when TSA comes in here and mocks him.

Not even close.

I've simply presented the circumstantial evidence/coincidences that have been found. Never once have I accused anyone of a crime nor have I said they will be arrested for such crime.

djohn2oo8 has accused nearly ever Trump team member including Trump of crimes and at one point or another has said they will all be arrested. I'll continue to mock his claims as they fall apart one by one, day by day.

[AaronY]

Yeah, your pizza thread wasn't embarrassing at all TSA. Good point.

[TSA]

You are all now well aware of elite pedophilia rings and the lengths they will go to cover them up. I'm happy to spread awareness and will continue to do so. If you pretend it's not going on you are part of the problem.

[TSA]

Not worried. Indictments are coming and it will be glorious.

Indictments for who and for what. Make a list.

[Reck]

You are all now well aware of elite pedophilia rings and the lengths they will go to cover them up. I'm happy to spread awareness and will continue to do so. If you pretend it's not going on you are part of the problem.

:lol cuck thinking he taught anyone about a word. :lol untimate delusional loser.

[spurraider21]

I've simply presented the circumstantial evidence/coincidences that have been found. Never once have I accused anyone of a crime nor have I said they will be arrested for such crime. but what does the art imply?

[DMC]

Is in clean house mode, not chaos.

It's a good thing Perez asked for everyone's resignation.

Trump himself, not th DNC has lit a fire under most people to get him out. All those protests in town hall meetings only speak to the grassroots movement that is going on right now. There is a deep desire to get rid of Trump and that ain't dying. At least for right now.





Umm he's been losing supports. The charts shows as much.

And if you take the morning consult and Fox polls which are heavily biased and have a strong Trump house effect it gets worse.

:lol grass roots. George Soros bankrolled protests aren't grass roots unless you mean some putting green type grass.

[Kim Jong-il]

but what does the art imply?
And what the fuck does chickenlover mean???? :cry

[TSA]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

[Reck]

TSA going on a fishing expedition. :lol

[pgardn]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Interesting and needed to be noted but...

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.
Russia’s effort was personally directed (http://www.politico.eu/article/putin-directed-us-election-hacking/) by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services



But whOops...
From your article.

[TSA]

Interesting and needed to be noted but...

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.
Russia’s effort was personally directed (http://www.politico.eu/article/putin-directed-us-election-hacking/) by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services



But whOops...
From your article.

Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

[AaronY]

Interesting and needed to be noted but...

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.
Russia’s effort was personally directed (http://www.politico.eu/article/putin-directed-us-election-hacking/) by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services



But whOops...
From your article.
Well that parts false but the rest is true obv

[djohn2oo8]

Probably a pizza parlor in there as well.
http://www.cinema52.com/2013/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Puffy-Hands.png

[Adam Lambert]

Not even close.

I've simply presented the circumstantial evidence/coincidences that have been found. Never once have I accused anyone of a crime nor have I said they will be arrested for such crime.

djohn2oo8 has accused nearly ever Trump team member including Trump of crimes and at one point or another has said they will all be arrested. I'll continue to mock his claims as they fall apart one by one, day by day.

bitch you have spent months accusing the msm of covering up a massive pedophile ring, im no legal scholar but im pretty sure that qualifies as a crime.

how pathetic must it feel to be a fucking parrot for 4chan trolls? the anime dorks who started this rumor probably didnt expect anyone to still believe it at this point, but you carry on like youve experienced some kind of religious awakening.

you should be embarrassed. i hope you lay awake at night wondering if the last 6 months of your life have all been a lie but i dont think youre self aware enough to actually do that. you probably just go shoot cans in your back yard when you start to feel any sense of shame.

this djohn faggot has a 100+ page thread of russian conspiracy tweets and only now is beginning to be compared to you. this is your legacy. your life is meaningless and you will die lonely and stupid. congrats, faggot.

[TSA]

bitch you have spent months accusing the msm of covering up a massive pedophile ring, im no legal scholar but im pretty sure that qualifies as a crime.

how pathetic must it feel to be a fucking parrot for 4chan trolls? the anime dorks who started this rumor probably didnt expect anyone to still believe it at this point, but you carry on like youve experienced some kind of religious awakening.

you should be embarrassed. i hope you lay awake at night wondering if the last 6 months of your life have all been a lie but i dont think youre self aware enough to actually do that. you probably just go shoot cans in your back yard when you start to feel any sense of shame.

this djohn faggot has a 100+ page thread of russian conspiracy tweets and only now is beginning to be compared to you. this is your legacy. your life is meaningless and you will die lonely and stupid. congrats, faggot.
spurstalk legacy :rollin

[Kim Jong-il]

bitch you have spent months accusing the msm of covering up a massive pedophile ring, im no legal scholar but im pretty sure that qualifies as a crime.

how pathetic must it feel to be a fucking parrot for 4chan trolls? the anime dorks who started this rumor probably didnt expect anyone to still believe it at this point, but you carry on like youve experienced some kind of religious awakening.

you should be embarrassed. i hope you lay awake at night wondering if the last 6 months of your life have all been a lie but i dont think youre self aware enough to actually do that. you probably just go shoot cans in your back yard when you start to feel any sense of shame.

this djohn faggot has a 100+ page thread of russian conspiracy tweets and only now is beginning to be compared to you. this is your legacy. your life is meaningless and you will die lonely and stupid. congrats, faggot.
ROFL

[DMC]

http://www.cinema52.com/2013/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Puffy-Hands.png

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/chinese-eyes-expression-portrait-elderly-woman-making-funny-face-50551454.jpg

[Adam Lambert]

spurstalk legacy :rollin

lol acting like you dont take spurstalk seriously
lol spending 10 hours a day here and god knows how many hours on 4chan for a joke that you dont actually believe

lol your pathetic lonely life

[pgardn]

Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

Got Manafort out.
I guess a thank you letter from Trump is in order.
I guess the Putin stuff... Is true?

[Reck]

bitch you have spent months accusing the msm of covering up a massive pedophile ring, im no legal scholar but im pretty sure that qualifies as a crime.

how pathetic must it feel to be a fucking parrot for 4chan trolls? the anime dorks who started this rumor probably didnt expect anyone to still believe it at this point, but you carry on like youve experienced some kind of religious awakening.

you should be embarrassed. i hope you lay awake at night wondering if the last 6 months of your life have all been a lie but i dont think youre self aware enough to actually do that. you probably just go shoot cans in your back yard when you start to feel any sense of shame.

this djohn faggot has a 100+ page thread of russian conspiracy tweets and only now is beginning to be compared to you. this is your legacy. your life is meaningless and you will die lonely and stupid. congrats, faggot.

LMAO nuked!

His life is really that pathetic.

You know it's bad when even Alex Jones admitted to pizzagate being fake and apologizing for it. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Bombshell Article by CBS (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/31/1649298/-Bombshell-Article-by-CBS)

CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-meddling-investigation-misinformation-tactics-senate-intelligence-committee/) as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.”

So the first thing that seems new is that the FBI is going further back in time, and the next bit of news, “helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.”

So they are looking at potential help in the hacking or maybe a mole in the DNC, which does come up in the dossier written by Christopher Steele.

The next bit of news is this:

“Now, one year after the Russian operation began, sources say the FBI’s investigation is nowhere near over.

It involves dozens of agents in Washington, New York and London. The NSA and CIA are also gathering intelligence from inside Russia.”
So we are working directly with London and inside of Russia. This is a huge ass investigation. This gives us insight.

They would not assign this much manpower to an investigation if they didn’t have some solid leads. And we’ve all heard the rumors that foreign Intel has offered help. Now we have London as one source.
Also in the story, the number of paid operatives, 15,000. Holy shit, that’s huge. And...they’re trying to figure out who paid them.

Sources also say that money may have been the motivator for all of this but they want to get the investigation right before coming forward. This is actually a bombshell of an article put out today.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/31/1649298/-Bombshell-Article-by-CBS?detail=email&link_id=1&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-bombshell-article-by-cbs&email_referrer=bombshell-article-by-cbs&email_subject=bombshell-article-by-cbs

Trash and his entourage will soon by road kill.

More and more Repug politicians are abandoning him, distancing from him.

The votes to impeach and convict will be there.

[pgardn]

Yet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections.

So Trump's run spawned a massive intervention by Russia, which then caused Ukraine to try its luck on a small level? Looks like this administration not only leaks, but is a swamp of self serving traitors. We got a self filling leaky swamp of treason for 4 years? Great article. I will now take Hillary.

[djohn2oo8]

Now Trump is tagging the FBI in his tweets :lmao meltdown

[benefactor]

Now Trump is tagging the FBI in his tweets :lmao meltdown
:lol tagging them because of a Fox News report

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLt3f2PkW2g

[DarrinS]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-surveillance-financial-times-interview-236819

[DarrinS]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-names-of-trump-associates-in-intel

[DarrinS]

848911476450623494

[clambake]

obama team is gangsta.

[Reck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLt3f2PkW2g

Why do you keep posting yt with misleading titles? :lol

Bitch never said spying, for one. And 2, she said the investigation started in 2015. From the FBI.

[Reck]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-surveillance-financial-times-interview-236819

He's his own source? He says it's turning out to be true while not pointing to any evidence. :lol

You keep talking about djohn's tweets but your youtubes and links are mega retarded.

[DarrinS]

He's his own source? He says it's turning out to be true while not pointing to any evidence. :lol
.

You are right. I shouldn't have posted that one.

I noticed you didn't comment on Bloomberg article.

[TSA]

Got Manafort out.
I guess a thank you letter from Trump is in order.
I guess the Putin stuff... Is true?Allegedly

"But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails."
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ackfire-233446

[TSA]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-names-of-trump-associates-in-intel

White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The pattern of Rice's requests was discovered in a National Security Council review of the government's policy on "unmasking" the identities of individuals in the U.S. who are not targets of electronic eavesdropping, but whose communications are collected incidentally. Normally those names are redacted from summaries of monitored conversations and appear in reports as something like "U.S. Person One."

====

Rice herself has not spoken directly on the issue of unmasking. Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this," adding, "I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that account today." :lol

[Reck]

You are right. I shouldn't have posted that one.

I noticed you didn't comment on Bloomberg article.

Ok, I will now then.


The intelligence reports were summaries of monitored conversations -- primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials.


Rice's requests to unmask the names of Trump transition officials does not vindicate Trump's own tweets (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837989835818287106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmiami.cbslocal.com%2F2017%2F0 3%2F04%2Ftrump-obama-had-my-wires-tapped-in-trump-tower%2F) from March 4 in which he accused Obama of illegally tapping Trump Tower. There remains no evidence to support that claim.


This is what is at the core of the article. Foreign officials are subject to getting monitor. It's par for the course as it pertains to National security.

The other bit, someone ought to tell the trumptards not to be dumb enough to be caught meeting and talking with foreign officials which I will guess were russians.

You're welcome.

[spurraider21]

:rollin anonymous sources when convenient

[spurraider21]

In all honesty I don't have much of a problem with a news outlet keeping sources anonymous unless they have a track record of fabricating them or misattributing quotes. Just laughing at inconsistency

[Spurminator]

Anonymous sources have been a fundamental asset in journalism since the invention of the printing press. People should practice caution and healthy skepticism towards them, particularly in a time where insiders seem to be taking advantage of their positions to fight internal rumor battles in the press, but overall anonymous sources are necessary to the free press. Without the expectation that your anonymity can be protected, very few people are willing to stick their necks out with information the public may need to know about.

[TSA]

djohn2oo8 need your FISA expertise.

Under what circumstances can US persons caught up in incidental collection be unmasked and disseminated?

[boutons_deux]

The totally phony Susan Rice story, explained

The former national security advisor’s surveillance activity is neither illegal or unethical.

But the reports, which originated from the far-right, fringe corners of the internet, do not reveal any illegal activity or violation of privacy laws.

They also provide no support for President Trump’s still entirely-unsubstantiated claim (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-surveillance-financial-times-interview-236819) that the Obama administration’s surveillance targeted Trump officials.


Funneled from the far right

Susan Rice’s involvement in the unmasking was first reported by far-right extremist Mike Cernovich,

Cernovich, a white nationalist, misogynist, and a key figure in the Pizzagate controversy, has been called (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/trolls-for-trump) the “meme mastermind of the alt-right.”

Within hours, headlines highlighting Rice’s involvement appeared across the conservative internet on sites including

Breitbart News (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/03/eli-lake-susan-rice-requested-unmasking-people-connected-trump-transition/), :lol

the Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/unmasked-susan-rice-requested-intelligence-on-trump-associates/), :lol

the Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/susan-rice-ordered-unmasking-trump-team-intel-bloo/), :lol

the Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/susan-rice-sought-unmasking-of-trump-transition-and-campaign-officials-report/article/2619169), :lol

the New York Post (http://nypost.com/2017/04/03/susan-rice-tried-to-unmask-trump-associates-in-intelligence-reports/), :lol

and

Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/breaking-fox-reporter-adam-housley-surveillance-trump-team-unmasking-went-year-video/). :lol

On Fox News, :lol reporter Adam Housley :lol called the unmasking “unprecedented” :lol and stoked anger by claiming that the “names of Americans who had done nothing wrong was disseminated to all of the NSC, some at DOD, Clapper, Brennan, basically the people at the top.”

No legal or privacy issue

The names of unidentified Americans are masked in intelligence reports to protect the identity of third-parties. When someone with credentials to request the classified information asks that they become public, the process is known as unmasking.

The unmasking of unidentified Americans in intelligence reports is within the scope of the job of a national security advisor like Rice. According to Kate Martin, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, Rice’s actions are likely legal and probably do not even raise privacy concerns if the individuals were part of the Trump transition team.

When an American’s identity in a classified intelligence report is unmasked, only those who have a security clearance and the authority to view the classified information may see the unmasked report,

The information may not be shared with individual members of Congress,

Given Russia’s involvement in the U.S. election, it’s not surprising that Rice would look at intelligence reports on Russia, including conversations by Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. If those conversations were with Americans, it follows that Rice would ask for the names to understand more about the conversation.

“There is no legal issue, and if the conversations were by official members of the presidential transition team conducting government business, it is hard to even see what privacy interest those individuals had in such conversations,”

Brookings Institution fellow Susan Hennessey expressed a similar skepticism at the validity of the “bombshell” reports on Rice’s unmasking.

Hennessey also wrote that

“what we’re seeing here is US officials doing jobs to respond to what had markers of a counterintelligence threat: the Trump campaign.”

https://thinkprogress.org/susan-rice-explained-1a72785b100e

[TSA]

The totally phony Susan Rice story, explained

The former national security advisor’s surveillance activity is neither illegal or unethical.

But the reports, which originated from the far-right, fringe corners of the internet, do not reveal any illegal activity or violation of privacy laws.

They also provide no support for President Trump’s still entirely-unsubstantiated claim (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/trump-surveillance-financial-times-interview-236819) that the Obama administration’s surveillance targeted Trump officials.


Funneled from the far right

Susan Rice’s involvement in the unmasking was first reported by far-right extremist Mike Cernovich,

Cernovich, a white nationalist, misogynist, and a key figure in the Pizzagate controversy, has been called (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/trolls-for-trump) the “meme mastermind of the alt-right.”

Within hours, headlines highlighting Rice’s involvement appeared across the conservative internet on sites including

Breitbart News (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/03/eli-lake-susan-rice-requested-unmasking-people-connected-trump-transition/), :lol

the Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/03/unmasked-susan-rice-requested-intelligence-on-trump-associates/), :lol

the Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/3/susan-rice-ordered-unmasking-trump-team-intel-bloo/), :lol

the Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/susan-rice-sought-unmasking-of-trump-transition-and-campaign-officials-report/article/2619169), :lol

the New York Post (http://nypost.com/2017/04/03/susan-rice-tried-to-unmask-trump-associates-in-intelligence-reports/), :lol

and

Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/breaking-fox-reporter-adam-housley-surveillance-trump-team-unmasking-went-year-video/). :lol

On Fox News, :lol reporter Adam Housley :lol called the unmasking “unprecedented” :lol and stoked anger by claiming that the “names of Americans who had done nothing wrong was disseminated to all of the NSC, some at DOD, Clapper, Brennan, basically the people at the top.”

No legal or privacy issue

The names of unidentified Americans are masked in intelligence reports to protect the identity of third-parties. When someone with credentials to request the classified information asks that they become public, the process is known as unmasking.

The unmasking of unidentified Americans in intelligence reports is within the scope of the job of a national security advisor like Rice. According to Kate Martin, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, Rice’s actions are likely legal and probably do not even raise privacy concerns if the individuals were part of the Trump transition team.

When an American’s identity in a classified intelligence report is unmasked, only those who have a security clearance and the authority to view the classified information may see the unmasked report,

The information may not be shared with individual members of Congress,

Given Russia’s involvement in the U.S. election, it’s not surprising that Rice would look at intelligence reports on Russia, including conversations by Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. If those conversations were with Americans, it follows that Rice would ask for the names to understand more about the conversation.

“There is no legal issue, and if the conversations were by official members of the presidential transition team conducting government business, it is hard to even see what privacy interest those individuals had in such conversations,”

Brookings Institution fellow Susan Hennessey expressed a similar skepticism at the validity of the “bombshell” reports on Rice’s unmasking.

Hennessey also wrote that

“what we’re seeing here is US officials doing jobs to respond to what had markers of a counterintelligence threat: the Trump campaign.”

https://thinkprogress.org/susan-rice-explained-1a72785b100e

:lol thinkprogress article quoting a John Podesta think tank saying nothing wrong went on

djohn2oo8 has gone MIA so I'll ask for your FISA expertise. Under what circumstances can US persons caught up in incidental collection be unmasked and disseminated?

[boutons_deux]

:lol thinkprogress article quoting a John Podesta think tank saying nothing wrong went on

djohn2oo8 has gone MIA so I'll ask for your FISA expertise. Under what circumstances can US persons caught up in incidental collection be unmasked and disseminated?

who said the Rice's request for unmasking was for incidental collection? Trash's entire entourage stuck, stinks of compromise by Pootin.

You still beating the Podesta dead horse? :lol

[TSA]

who said the Rice's request for unmasking was for incidental collection? Trash's entire entourage stuck, stinks of compromise by Pootin.

You still beating the Podesta dead horse? :lol

Apparently this incidental collection had nothing to do with Russia.

[TSA]

White House lawyers last month learned that the former national security adviser Susan Rice requested the identities of U.S. persons in raw intelligence reports on dozens of occasions that connect to the Donald Trump transition and campaign, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The pattern of Rice's requests was discovered in a National Security Council review of the government's policy on "unmasking" the identities of individuals in the U.S. who are not targets of electronic eavesdropping, but whose communications are collected incidentally. Normally those names are redacted from summaries of monitored conversations and appear in reports as something like "U.S. Person One."

====

Rice herself has not spoken directly on the issue of unmasking. Last month when she was asked on the "PBS NewsHour" about reports that Trump transition officials, including Trump himself, were swept up in incidental intelligence collection, Rice said: "I know nothing about this," adding, "I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that account today." :lol

sH0akjRDJsY

[djohn2oo8]

849006443646914562

[djohn2oo8]

849017198836408321

[djohn2oo8]

848999457874210816

[djohn2oo8]

849006878155837441

[djohn2oo8]

848997180157427712

[boutons_deux]

849017198836408321

sister is Dittsy de Vos.

[baseline bum]

848997180157427712

So now the hardcore pro-Israel stance makes more sense. Dear Leader is allegedly going to relax sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia dumping their alliance with Iran?

[TSA]

Russian government posts April Fools' Day prank offering "election interference"


MOSCOW -- Need some election interference? The Russian Foreign Ministry is ready to help -- or so it says on April Fools’ Day.

On Saturday, the ministry posted on its Facebook page an audio file of the purported new automated telephone switchboard message for Russian embassies.

“To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1,” the recording begins, in Russian and English. Press 2 “to use the services of Russian hackers,” and 3 “to request election interference.”

The English portion of the recording begins 26 seconds into the video, with the title translated as “Answering machine for Russian diplomatic missions.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-government-posts-april-fools-day-prank-offering-election-interference/
:lol

[djohn2oo8]

So now the hardcore pro-Israel stance makes more sense. Dear Leader is allegedly going to relax sanctions on Russia in exchange for Russia dumping their alliance with Iran?

Yes.

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

sister is Dittsy de Vos.

correct

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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:lol

[TSA]

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djohn2oo8 what odds are you giving that we see the first person since 1803 indicted under the Logan Act? :rollin

[djohn2oo8]

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lol

[djohn2oo8]

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:lol

[TSA]

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ALET!! ALET!!

stage level BOOM has been surpassed, now entering stage THE BIG ONE

:lmao

[TSA]

so a meeting took place after Trump was elected, help me find the BOOM djohn, I'm just not seeing it

[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

ThePizzagateAnnex vs. Dumbjohn is the official cripple fight of the Political Forum, tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

ThePizzagateAnnex vs. Dumbjohn is the official cripple fight of the Political Forum, tbh.

Says the Trumptard. Enjoy watching your boy go down.

[DarrinS]

So, as of today, the only proven collusion was MSM and DNC to hurt Bernie. Only evidence of a crime is leaked classified info by, presumably, former Obama officials. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[Clipper Nation]

Says the Trumptard. Enjoy watching your boy go down.
:lol You and your fellow dipshit liberals have been insisting that he's going to "go down" every day of his presidency. You're the boy who cried wolf. Trump president not Clinton - deal with it. #EightYears

[djohn2oo8]

849041438759321600
:lol

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao they have transcripts of the Russians talking about Page

[hater]

:lmao how many scalps are we on niggas??

1??? 1 and 3/4s????

:lmao

So many posts but yet nothing is happening :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao how many scalps are we on niggas??

1??? 1 and 3/4s????

:lmao

So many posts but yet nothing is happening :lol
:lol It's literally Pizzagate-level delusion at this point from the Russian conspiracy tards.

[boutons_deux]

Team Trump canceled meeting with 'conservatives' favorite Russian'—amob-tied, NRA-loving Putin ally (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/3/1649806/-Team-Trump-canceled-meeting-with-conservatives-favorite-Russian-a-mob-tied-NRA-loving-Putin-ally)


The White House abruptly canceled a scheduled meeting in February between President Trump and a high-level Russian central banker after a national security aide discovered the official had been named by Spanish police as a suspected “godfather” of an organized crime and money-laundering ring, according to an administration official and four other sources familiar with the event.


The Russian banker in question is Putin ally Alexander Torshin, deputy governor of the Bank of Russia, and the meeting was supposed to be at the site of the National Prayer Breakfast last February.

But then some unspecified "national security aide" noticed Torshin's name on a list and a "former campaign adviser" mentioned that maybe an administration currently awash in Russia-related scandal should not meet with a Putin-allied organized crime figure and

you just know Trump was all "What? Half of my golden New York tower is full of Putin-allied organized crime figures, you can't throw a well-cooked steak in that place without hitting one" but, in any event, the meeting was nixed.

Anyhoo, Spain has been trying to arrest Torshin since 2013 for his connections to Russian organized crime in that country.

Meanwhile, in this country, he's a big cheese in the Russia-conservative cracker factory:

[Torshin] is a key figure in the Kremlin’s outreach to the conservative movement in the United States. In addition to his appearance at the Prayer Breakfast — an event he has been attending for the past several years —
Torshin is also a “life member” of the National Rifle Association —

—where during last year’s convention he got to meet Donald Trump Jr., because apparently everybody has been itching to meet Donald Trump Jr.—

“He’s sort of the conservatives’ favorite Russian,” said Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., who together with Rep. Tom Massie, R-Ky., had dinner with Torshin and other members of the Russian delegation [...]

Outstanding! Wonderful! Of course! It just so happens that

"conservatives' favorite Russian" is a man wanted elsewhere for his ties to organized crime. Pure coincidence. Nothing to see here.

The man's a National Rifle Association member, after all, he's got to be a great guy.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/04/03/1649806/-Team-Trump-canceled-meeting-with-conservatives-favorite-Russian-a-mob-tied-NRA-loving-Putin-ally?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos %29

[boutons_deux]

De-Derping the 'Un-Masking' Story

My read on Eli Lake's story about Susan Rice 'unmasking' (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-names-of-trump-associates-in-intel) Trump transition officials is that it's a rather elaborate attempt to make a scandal out of something that isn't scandalous at all.

Read this paragraph, the third graf down in the story.


The National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, was conducting the review, according to two U.S. officials who spoke with Bloomberg View on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly.

In February Cohen-Watnick discovered Rice's multiple requests to unmask U.S. persons in intelligence reports that related to Trump transition activities.

He brought this to the attention of the White House General Counsel's office, who reviewed more of Rice's requests and instructed him to end his own research into the unmasking policy.


What jumps out to me here is the last sentence. Cohen-Watnick, whose new boss, National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, was trying to fire him while all this was happening (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-gravity-is-strong-3), took his 'research' to the White House Counsel's Office. They reviewed what he had come up with, did some additional research on Rice's requests and then "instructed him to end his own research."

This is all very cryptic and it's sort of a throwaway line in Lake's story. It's so spare you could read a number of possibilities into the sentence. Maybe the Counsel's office said, 'Wow, this is so big we need to take over this critical investigation you've started. Thank you so much for your work.' But that does not seem like the most likely read.

I would suggest that a much more plausible read is that Cohen-Watnick brought his 'research' to the Counsel's office, they looked at and basically said, 'Knock it off.'

That would make sense on a few fronts.

As even Lake concedes, Rice's alleged actions - if the report is accurate - were almost certainly legal. Most national security experts say they were not only legal but entirely proper (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/surveillance-experts-swat-down-susan-rice-unmasking-hysteria).

Moreover, the kind of snooping around that Cohen-Watnick was apparently doing could very plausibly be interpreted as an attempt to monitor or interfere with the on-going counter-intelligence probe of Trump associates' ties to Russia.

The White House Counsel's job is to protect and look after the legal interests of the President. A good lawyer would likely want to shut that kind of freelancing down right away, especially if what Cohen-Watnick had found didn't amount to anything that helped the President or the White House.

The paragraph above also says Cohen-Watnick was "conducting the review." But what review was that? It's not clear this 'review' was authorized by anyone and it's fairly implausible that he just stumbled on this stuff in the first place 'in the normal course of business', as he and the White House claim.

His review apparently began in February. So if it was authorized it was likely okayed by Mike Flynn - another red flag.

So did Cohen-Watnick get shut down by White House Counsel Donald McGahn?

The main reason this read makes sense to me is what happened subsequently.

Why did Cohen-Watnick and Michael Ellis, a junior lawyer who used to work for Chairman Nunes, call Nunes late in the evening and have him rush over to the White House to see the 'smoking gun' information that supposedly validated President Trump's 'Obama wiretapping' tweets?

Remember, this overnight cloak and dagger stunt was followed the next day by Nunes going and 'briefing' President Trump about the new information.

So the White House briefs Nunes in the middle of the night and then Nunes returns to the White House in the morning to brief Trump?
That never made sense.

But it makes perfect sense if Cohen-Watnick (Mike Flynn's protege, remember) got shut down by McGahn and then decided to backchannel his findings to Trump supporters on the Hill in order to do an end run around his bosses.

It also explains why Nunes had to see the documents at the White House (likely at Ellis's or Cohen-Watnick's desk) rather than on Capitol Hill or at a relevant intelligence agency.

Showing him the material anywhere else would have required letting others know what they were doing. Of course, it also explains why Nunes would need to brief Trump: because Cohen-Watnick probably wasn't allowed to do so directly.

This is, I grant, informed speculation. But it explains pretty much all the facts and mysteries about the Nunes overnight caper, his continuing inability to explain it in any clear or consistent way and his eventual refusal to discuss it with anyone else on his Committee.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266387&page=80

Complicated stuff, VERY SWAMPY

[TSA]

Torshin] is a key figure in the Kremlin’s outreach to the conservative movement in the United States. In addition to his appearance at the Prayer Breakfast — an event he has been attending for the past several years — Obama and Torshin attended multiple National Prayer Breakfasts together :wow :lol

[TSA]

De-Derping the 'Un-Masking' Story

My read on Eli Lake's story about Susan Rice 'unmasking' (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-04-03/top-obama-adviser-sought-names-of-trump-associates-in-intel) Trump transition officials is that it's a rather elaborate attempt to make a scandal out of something that isn't scandalous at all.

Read this paragraph, the third graf down in the story.


The National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, was conducting the review, according to two U.S. officials who spoke with Bloomberg View on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly.

In February Cohen-Watnick discovered Rice's multiple requests to unmask U.S. persons in intelligence reports that related to Trump transition activities.

He brought this to the attention of the White House General Counsel's office, who reviewed more of Rice's requests and instructed him to end his own research into the unmasking policy.


What jumps out to me here is the last sentence. Cohen-Watnick, whose new boss, National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster, was trying to fire him while all this was happening (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-gravity-is-strong-3), took his 'research' to the White House Counsel's Office. They reviewed what he had come up with, did some additional research on Rice's requests and then "instructed him to end his own research."

This is all very cryptic and it's sort of a throwaway line in Lake's story. It's so spare you could read a number of possibilities into the sentence. Maybe the Counsel's office said, 'Wow, this is so big we need to take over this critical investigation you've started. Thank you so much for your work.' But that does not seem like the most likely read.

I would suggest that a much more plausible read is that Cohen-Watnick brought his 'research' to the Counsel's office, they looked at and basically said, 'Knock it off.'

That would make sense on a few fronts.

As even Lake concedes, Rice's alleged actions - if the report is accurate - were almost certainly legal. Most national security experts say they were not only legal but entirely proper (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/surveillance-experts-swat-down-susan-rice-unmasking-hysteria).

Moreover, the kind of snooping around that Cohen-Watnick was apparently doing could very plausibly be interpreted as an attempt to monitor or interfere with the on-going counter-intelligence probe of Trump associates' ties to Russia.

The White House Counsel's job is to protect and look after the legal interests of the President. A good lawyer would likely want to shut that kind of freelancing down right away, especially if what Cohen-Watnick had found didn't amount to anything that helped the President or the White House.

The paragraph above also says Cohen-Watnick was "conducting the review." But what review was that? It's not clear this 'review' was authorized by anyone and it's fairly implausible that he just stumbled on this stuff in the first place 'in the normal course of business', as he and the White House claim.

His review apparently began in February. So if it was authorized it was likely okayed by Mike Flynn - another red flag.

So did Cohen-Watnick get shut down by White House Counsel Donald McGahn?

The main reason this read makes sense to me is what happened subsequently.

Why did Cohen-Watnick and Michael Ellis, a junior lawyer who used to work for Chairman Nunes, call Nunes late in the evening and have him rush over to the White House to see the 'smoking gun' information that supposedly validated President Trump's 'Obama wiretapping' tweets?

Remember, this overnight cloak and dagger stunt was followed the next day by Nunes going and 'briefing' President Trump about the new information.

So the White House briefs Nunes in the middle of the night and then Nunes returns to the White House in the morning to brief Trump?
That never made sense.

But it makes perfect sense if Cohen-Watnick (Mike Flynn's protege, remember) got shut down by McGahn and then decided to backchannel his findings to Trump supporters on the Hill in order to do an end run around his bosses.

It also explains why Nunes had to see the documents at the White House (likely at Ellis's or Cohen-Watnick's desk) rather than on Capitol Hill or at a relevant intelligence agency.

Showing him the material anywhere else would have required letting others know what they were doing. Of course, it also explains why Nunes would need to brief Trump: because Cohen-Watnick probably wasn't allowed to do so directly.

This is, I grant, informed speculation. But it explains pretty much all the facts and mysteries about the Nunes overnight caper, his continuing inability to explain it in any clear or consistent way and his eventual refusal to discuss it with anyone else on his Committee.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266387&page=80

Complicated stuff, VERY SWAMPY

"This is, I grant, informed speculation" :lol

[TSA]

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[boutons_deux]

Cernovich, bullshitting provocateur and conspiracy look-at-me nutcase.

[SnakeBoy]

So, as of today, the only proven collusion was MSM and DNC to hurt Bernie. Only evidence of a crime is leaked classified info by, presumably, former Obama officials. :lol

Pretty much sums it up except you're leaving out the part where Trump is going to be impeached in 3, 2, 1...ok now 3, 2, 1....wait just give it a second....now 3, 2, 1....uh well soon then.

[DarrinS]

Pretty much sums it up except you're leaving out the part where Trump is going to be impeached in 3, 2, 1...ok now 3, 2, 1....wait just give it a second....now 3, 2, 1....uh well soon then.

:lol

If their ultimate dream becomes reality, we have president Pence.

Otherwise, the Dems and MSM take a huge credibility hit.

[DarrinS]

Lol, Don Lemon.

Translation: we are going to bury this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p88Yg6ae0vc

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyJ4fik6YiQ

[DarrinS]

CNN is quite disciplined when it comes to staying on narrative


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arT4z9biq2U

[Reck]

I can youtube videos too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1fFCz-UCM8

:lol Trump

[pgardn]

Do you consider the conclusions at which you arrive to have been arrived at by the use of the scientific method?

Have you considered the coverup required to actually fake a moon mission would be far more difficult than actually, well, going to the moon?

Please dont invoke the scientific method when you can't even begin to absorb what is so painfully obvious.

This thread... did anyone hear the oven timer go off? We will be eating carbon black for dinner.

[rjv]

i really don't get why the left is suddenly so obsessed with the russians. have we regressed back to the days of the red menace? i mean, no other country has fucked with the sovereignty of other countries elections or policies as the U.S. has since the end of the Cold War. and now, there is a deep concern that the ruskies colluded with president oompa loompa during the election. was trump surveilled by someone? it's possible. most presidents are surveilled. was there hacking? sure. the chinese hacked us. we hacked the russians. of course there is hacking. it's today's current modus operandi. but i think it's careless to perpetuate this russian narrative to the extent it is being played out. it's the deep state's wet dream as a matter of fact. i mean, did i miss something? when did the left suddenly embrace the intelligence community? this is all so much out of a joseph heller novel it's almost surreal.

[pgardn]

I can youtube videos too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1fFCz-UCM8

:lol Trump

This is not news. This is an act.

"I bet there is no connection" waits for hostess to give connection...

Christ... It's sparsely entertaining, but as far as news?
"These guys know exactly what they are doing" then... "What's wrong with these people can't they understand"
Well what is it? They are deviously clever planners, bumbling liars, what?

So as I thought, I will miss this show on a regular basis.

[Reck]

i mean, did i miss something?

Apparently yes, you did.

Are you not aware that the FBI is carrying out an ongoing investigation into Russia meddling into the 2016 election as well as the Trump campaign?

[pgardn]

i really don't get why the left is suddenly so obsessed with the russians. have we regressed back to the days of the red menace? i mean, no other country has fucked with the sovereignty of other countries elections or policies as the U.S. has since the end of the Cold War. and now, there is a deep concern that the ruskies colluded with president oompa loompa during the election. was trump surveilled by someone? it's possible. most presidents are surveilled. was there hacking? sure. the chinese hacked us. we hacked the russians. of course there is hacking. it's today's current modus operandi. but i think it's careless to perpetuate this russian narrative to the extent it is being played out. it's the deep state's wet dream as a matter of fact. i mean, did i miss something? when did the left suddenly embrace the intelligence community? this is all so much out of a joseph heller novel it's almost surreal.

The Soviet Union and now Russia have not had to fool with elections. They just put their guy in place. And yes we have done the same. But it is more difficult now. We can actually get called out by our own government and press. The press is no longer a cheer leader as in WWII and the start of the Cold War.

Also consider why we will not attempt to influence Russian elections. I think Putin is up for election in a year or two...? Good luck with influencing that democratic process. So what is clear is they definitely and now admittedly fooled with our inefficient process. We must address this. They really are just showing they can invoke chaos, not pick our leaders.

[rjv]

Apparently yes, you did.

Are you not aware that the FBI is carrying out an ongoing investigation into Russia meddling into the 2016 election as well as the Trump campaign? yes, i'm aware that the FBI is ongoing an investigation into Russian interference. i'm also aware the the U.S. meddled with the Ukranian elections. i'm also aware that the FBI has an agenda as does the CIA and the rest of the intelligence community. at the moment, this agenda is of great benefit to both parties (although not necessarily for trump).

[Reck]

yes, i'm aware that the FBI is ongoing an investigation into Russian interference. i'm also aware the the U.S. meddled with the Ukranian elections. i'm also aware that the FBI has an agenda as does the CIA and the rest of the intelligence community. at the moment, this agenda is of great benefit to both parties (although not necessarily for trump).

But it disproves your running theory that the left just suddenly are picking up the Russian story like it was a random act.

[rjv]

The Soviet Union and now Russia have not had to fool with elections. They just put their guy in place. And yes we have done the same. But it is more difficult now. We can actually get called out by our own government and press. The press is no longer a cheer leader as in WWII and the start of the Cold War.

Also consider why we will not attempt to influence Russian elections. I think Putin is up for election in a year or two... Good luck with influencing that democratic process. i'm simply saying that there are factions in washington that have invested into NATO and economic control of the ukraine as well as most of eastern europe. and the only press that will really call out our actions is the independent press. our mainstream media will do what they usually do and focus on the perfunctory elements.

[rjv]

But it disproves your running theory that the left just suddenly are picking up the Russian story like it was a random act. there is no "theory" here. it's just tautological. the intelligence community has its own agenda and will serve whoever they need to in order to perpetuate its own interests. of course this isn't random. russia has its interest too. this is nothing new. this is the standard fare since WWII.

[pgardn]

i'm simply saying that there are factions in washington that have invested into NATO and economic control of the ukraine as well as most of eastern europe. and the only press that will really call out our actions is the independent press. our mainstream media will do what they usually do and focus on the perfunctory elements.

My take on Ukraine is massive corruption. Before the Russians got their man in place, there was a proWest women who was very corrupt. Their version of lower houses threw her out and the proRussian was put into place. He too, was massively corrupt and incompetent. The people rumbled, and we backed the Chocolate magnate after doing our homework and not backing the proWestern woman again. The chocolate guy has had a ton of trouble removing corrupt elements, some of which are aiding in pushing back against the Russian backed forces in Eastern Ukraine.

Its a mess with these endemically corrupt government institutions that were under Soviet influence for so long.

[boutons_deux]

My take on USA is massive corruption.

IIRC, the big motivation to befriend and bring Ukraine into NATO, was for BigAg to take over U's hugely productive agricultural regions, and/or enslave Ukraine's BigAg and farmers to US poisons and GMO seeds.

[pgardn]

there is no "theory" here. it's just tautological. the intelligence community has its own agenda and will serve whoever they need to in order to perpetuate its own interests. of course this isn't random. russia has its interest too. this is nothing new. this is the standard fare since WWII.

I respectfully think this is an overstatement. We have had factions within the intelligence community that look to self perpetuate and even try to grab power from competing intelligence entitities. But I believe there is a sizable contingent within intelligence that want to do the best for the country. This creates a problem with various presidents who have their own agendas for the intelligence community. It a tough spot. That's why ex intelligence officials will come out and give us their opinions which we have access to. Some are very liberal minded, some more conservative, and occasionally their stories have a common theme. And one theme I pick up is that different democratically elected government entities not related to intelligence want to use the intelligence community for varying purposes.

[rjv]

My take on Ukraine is massive corruption. Before the Russians got their man in place, there was a proWest women who was very corrupt. Their version of lower houses threw her out and the proRussian was put into place. He too, was massively corrupt and incompetent. The people rumbled, and we backed the Chocolate magnate after doing our homework and not backing the proWestern woman again. The chocolate guy has had a ton of trouble removing corrupt elements, some of which are aiding in pushing back against the Russian backed forces in Eastern Ukraine.

Its a mess with these endemically corrupt government institutions that were under Soviet influence for so long. indeed, the calculus of this region is mired in draconian intentions from the Russian annexation of Crimea to the US/NATO led expansion onto Russian borders (which of course conflicts with certain post WWII "agreements"). the US is intent on making Russia a pariah state, and that is a bipartisan effort at that.

[pgardn]

My take on USA is massive corruption.

IIRC, the big motivation to befriend and bring Ukraine into NATO, was for BigAg to take over U's hugely productive agricultural regions, and/or enslave Ukraine's BigAg and farmers to US poisons and GMO seeds.

Sure business interests play a role.
But because I know you are a fckn nut and you overstate everything.
You have no clue about GMO. I do know that. You have no idea how helpful GMO organisms have been. Because you don't understand basic biology or science. Therefore, when there is a legitimate concern, you don't get a listen. You follow an ideology, you don't want the whole story as it might not fit your worldview.

[boutons_deux]

Sure business interests play a role.
But because I know you are a fckn nut and you overstate everything.
You have no clue about GMO. I do know that. You have no idea how helpful GMO organisms have been. Because you don't understand basic biology or science. Therefore, when there is a legitimate concern, you don't get a listen. You follow an ideology, you don't want the whole story as it might not fit your worldview.

yet again, another FUCKED UP take by GMO-devotee pfartin, G F Y

[pgardn]

indeed, the calculus of this region is mired in draconian intentions from the Russian annexation of Crimea to the US/NATO led expansion onto Russian borders (which of course conflicts with certain post WWII "agreements"). the US is intent on making Russia a pariah state, and that is a bipartisan effort at that.

Putin has basically asked for this.
When an authoritarian thug leads a country with so much potential, it is very difficult to find common ground. This is why bipartisanship even exists on Russia. Maybe getting innocents on their transportation system blown up by terrorists will bring us to some commonality.

[rjv]

I respectfully think this is an overstatement. We have had factions within the intelligence community that look to self perpetuate and even try to grab power from competing intelligence entitities. But I believe there is a sizable contingent within intelligence that want to do the best for the country. This creates a problem with various presidents who have their own agendas for the intelligence community. It a tough spot. That's why ex intelligence officials will come out and give us their opinions which we have access to. Some are very liberal minded, some more conservative, and occasionally their stories have a common theme. And one theme I pick up is that different democratically elected government entities not related to intelligence want to use the intelligence community for varying purposes. i get that and perhaps i should have added to that post what i added to another, which is that the efforts against russia are not simply motivated by a deep state but also serve the interests of both parties (especially as they adhere to the operating neoliberal policies which have been in place since Reagan). there was a really great article written by professor Yuen Foong Khong of Oxford on this strategic thinking where he stated that there is a “long (and bipartisan) tradition in American strategic thinking: Successive administrations have emphasized that a vital interest of the United States is to prevent a hostile hegemon from dominating any of the major regions of the world.” i think that is certainly in play here.

[pgardn]

yet again, another FUCKED UP take by GMO-devotee pfartin, G F Y

Expected reply.
Go on, Git...

[pgardn]

i get that and perhaps i should have added to that post what i added to another, which is that the efforts against russia are not simply motivated by a deep state but also serve the interests of both parties (especially as they adhere to the operating neoliberal policies which have been in place since Reagan). there was a really great article written by professor Yuen Foong Khong of Oxford on this strategic thinking where he stated that there is a “long (and bipartisan) tradition in American strategic thinking: Successive administrations have emphasized that a vital interest of the United States is to prevent a hostile hegemon from dominating any of the major regions of the world.” i think that is certainly in play here.

Off to work.

I will look that up. Thanks.
You need to participate in this forum more often if you have the time.

[baseline bum]

i'm simply saying that there are factions in washington that have invested into NATO and economic control of the ukraine as well as most of eastern europe. and the only press that will really call out our actions is the independent press. our mainstream media will do what they usually do and focus on the perfunctory elements.

NATO pisses me off since it's essentially assuring American taxpayers get to subsidize European social democracies at a heavy cost to them, since middle and lower income people don't get anything like the benefits Europeans get even though we're the rich country. So I loved it when Trump gave Merkel that bill for NATO protection. On the other hand, without us dominating the region I can't imagine those countries wouldn't be back at war constantly like they were before we stepped in. In the nuclear age that's a pretty scary thought. So us playing Santa Claus to Europe is probably the better option IMO.

[boutons_deux]

"American taxpayers get to subsidize European social democracies"

Not only NATO

Americans subsidize other countries' purchases of BigPharma's crap at a fraction of the prices that Americans pay.

[hater]

Agree with what poster rjp postd tbqh

I been saying this for years

But Id also like to add US has been working on dismantling the "new" Russia since probably 2010 or 11

They did go back on many WWIi agreements because they thought they had Russia on the ropes and just needed a few more power punches to turn it into a 3rd world subserviant shithole

Thats how uncle sam likes their vassal states: poor, disorganized and helpless

They miscalculated greatly. Now Russia is there to stay for the foreseable future and so is Syria and Assad. Btw

Its just another grave miscalculation just like the Iraq one was

At some point we will start paying for the miscalculations of these few powerful murderers who call themselves american heroes and name airports, libraries and roads after themselves. sadly

[hater]

Lets see if Trump is stupid enough to make another miscalculation either in North Korea/China or Iran

China could easily bum rush 5 million chinese peasants armed with pick axes all the way to Seoul

And Iran can make Iraq look like a walk in the park

[TSA]

Susan Rice having another Benghazi moment

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/susan-rice-speaks-out-unmasking-accusations-i-leaked-nothing-nobody-n742486

[clambake]

fox said that susan rice talk is just a distraction.

[SpursforSix]

fox said that susan rice talk is just a distraction.

Yep. False flag. I'd keep an eye on Somalia and what happens over there the next week or so.

[TSA]

Lol, Don Lemon.

Translation: we are going to bury this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p88Yg6ae0vc

https://news.grabien.com/story-cnn-goes-rampage-against-susan-rice-bombshell-instructs-view

[TSA]

Her interest was not in national security but to advance the political interests of the Democratic party. The thing to bear in mind is that the White House does not do investigations. Not criminal investigations, not intelligence investigations. Remember that.

Why is that so important in the context of explosive revelations that Susan Rice, President Obama’s national-security adviser, confidant, and chief dissembler, called for the “unmasking” of Trump campaign and transition officials whose identities and communications were captured in the collection of U.S. intelligence on foreign targets?

Because we’ve been told for weeks that any unmasking of people in Trump’s circle that may have occurred had two innocent explanations: (1) the FBI’s investigation of Russian meddling in the election and (2) the need to know, for purposes of understanding the communications of foreign intelligence targets, the identities of Americans incidentally intercepted or mentioned.

The unmasking, Obama apologists insist, had nothing to do with targeting Trump or his people. That won’t wash.

In general, it is the FBI that conducts investigations that bear on American citizens suspected of committing crimes or of acting as agents of foreign powers. In the matter of alleged Russian meddling, the investigative camp also includes the CIA and the NSA. All three agencies conducted a probe and issued a joint report in January. That was after Obama, despite having previously acknowledged that the Russian activity was inconsequential, suddenly made a great show of ordering an inquiry and issuing sanctions. Consequently, if unmasking was relevant to the Russia investigation, it would have been done by those three agencies. And if it had been critical to know the identities of Americans caught up in other foreign intelligence efforts, the agencies that collect the information and conduct investigations would have unmasked it.

Because they are the agencies that collect and refine intelligence “products” for the rest of the “intelligence community,” they are responsible for any unmasking; and they do it under “minimization” standards that FBI Director James Comey, in recent congressional testimony, described as “obsessive” in their determination to protect the identities and privacy of Americans. Understand: There would have been no intelligence need for Susan Rice to ask for identities to be unmasked. If there had been a real need to reveal the identities — an intelligence need based on American interests — the unmasking would have been done by the investigating agencies. The national-security adviser is not an investigator. She is a White House staffer. The president’s staff is a consumer of intelligence, not a generator or collector of it.

If Susan Rice was unmasking Americans, it was not to fulfill an intelligence need based on American interests; it was to fulfill a political desire based on Democratic-party interests. The FBI, CIA, and NSA generate or collect the intelligence in, essentially, three ways: conducting surveillance on suspected agents of foreign powers under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), and carrying out more-sweeping collections under two other authorities — a different provision of FISA, and a Reagan-era executive order that has been amended several times over the ensuing decades, EO 12,333.

As Director Comey explained, in answering questions posed by Representative Trey Gowdy (R., S.C.), those three agencies do collection, investigation, and analysis. In general, they handle any necessary unmasking — which, due to the aforementioned privacy obsessiveness, is extremely rare.

Unlike Democratic-party operatives whose obsession is vanquishing Republicans, the three agencies have to be concerned about the privacy rights of Americans. If they’re not, their legal authority to collect the intelligence — a vital national-security power — could be severely curtailed when it periodically comes up for review by Congress, as it will later this year. Those three collecting agencies — FBI, CIA, and NSA — must be distinguished from other components of the government, such as the White House.

Those other components, Comey elaborated, “are consumers of our products.” That is, they do not collect raw intelligence and refine it into useful reports — i.e., reports that balance informational value and required privacy protections. They read those reports and make policy recommendations based on them. White House staffers are not supposed to be in the business of controlling the content of the reports; they merely act on the reports. Thus, Comey added, these consumers “can ask the collectors to unmask.” But the unmasking authority “resides with those who collected the information.”

Of course, the consumer doing the asking in this case was not just any government official. We’re talking about Susan Rice. This was Obama’s right hand doing the asking. If she made an unmasking “request,” do you suppose anyone at the FBI, CIA, or NSA was going to say no? That brings us to three interesting points. The first involves political intrusion into law enforcement — something that the White House is supposed to avoid. (You may remember that Democrats ran Bush attorney general Alberto Gonzales out of town over suspicions about it.)

As I have noted repeatedly, in publishing the illegally leaked classified information about former national-security adviser Michael Flynn’s communications with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, the New York Times informs us that “Obama advisers” and “Obama officials” were up to their eyeballs in the investigation: Obama advisers heard separately from the F.B.I. about Mr. Flynn’s conversation with Mr. Kislyak, whose calls were routinely monitored by American intelligence agencies that track Russian diplomats. The Obama advisers grew suspicious that perhaps there had been a secret deal between the incoming team and Moscow, which could violate the rarely enforced, two-century-old Logan Act barring private citizens from negotiating with foreign powers in disputes with the United States. The Obama officials asked the F.B.I. if a quid pro quo had been discussed on the call, and the answer came back no, according to one of the officials, who like others asked not to be named discussing delicate communications. [Translation: “asked not to be named committing felony unauthorized disclosure of classified information.”] The topic of sanctions came up, they were told, but there was no deal. [Emphasis added.] It appears very likely that Susan Rice was involved in the unmasking of Michael Flynn. Was she also monitoring the FBI’s investigation? Was she involved in the administration’s consideration of (bogus) criminal charges against Flynn? With the subsequent decision to have the FBI interrogate Flynn (or “grill” him, as the Times put it)?

The second point is that, while not a pillar of rectitude, Ms. Rice is not an idiot. Besides being shrewd, she was a highly involved, highly informed consumer of intelligence, and a key Obama political collaborator. Unlike the casual reader, she would have known who the Trump-team players were without needing to have their identities unmasked. Do you really think her purpose in demanding that names be revealed was to enhance her understanding of intelligence about the activities and intentions of foreign targets? Seriously? I’m betting it was so that others down the dissemination chain could see the names of Trump associates — names the investigating agencies that originally collected the information had determined not to unmask.

Third, and finally, let’s consider the dissemination chain Rice had in mind. The most telling remark that former Obama deputy defense secretary Evelyn Farkas made in her now-infamous MSNBC interview was the throw-away line at the end: “That’s why you have all the leaking.” Put this in context: Farkas had left the Obama administration in 2015, subsequently joining the presidential campaign of, yes, Hillary Clinton — Trump’s opponent. She told MSNBC that she had been encouraging her former Obama-administration colleagues and members of Congress to seek “as much information as you can” from the intelligence community. “That’s why you have the leaking.”

To summarize: At a high level, officials like Susan Rice had names unmasked that would not ordinarily be unmasked. That information was then being pushed widely throughout the intelligence community in unmasked form . . . particularly after Obama, toward the end of his presidency, suddenly — and seemingly apropos of nothing — changed the rules so that all of the intelligence agencies (not just the collecting agencies) could have access to raw intelligence information. As we know, the community of intelligence agencies leaks like a sieve, and the more access there is to juicy information, the more leaks there are.

Meanwhile, former Obama officials and Clinton-campaign advisers, like Farkas, were pushing to get the information transferred from the intelligence community to members of Congress, geometrically increasing the likelihood of intelligence leaks. By the way, have you noticed that there have been lots of intelligence leaks in the press? There’s an old saying in the criminal law: The best evidence of a conspiracy is success. The criminal law also has another good rule of thumb: Consciousness of guilt is best proved by false exculpatory statements. That’s a genre in which Susan Rice has rich experience. Two weeks ago, she was asked in an interview about allegations by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R., Calif.) that the Obama administration had unmasked Trump-team members. “I know nothing about this,” Rice replied. “I was surprised to see reports from Chairman Nunes on that count today.” Well, at least she didn’t blame it on a video.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

[TSA]

The Wall Street Journal op-ed, which was cited on the show, also poses questions that Cotton felt are fair within the context of this investigation [emphasis mine]:

A U.S. intelligence official confirms to us the bombshell news, first reported Monday by Bloomberg, that Ms. Rice requested the name of at least one Trump transition official listed in an intelligence report in the months between Election Day and Donald Trump’s inauguration.

Ms. Rice received summaries of U.S. eavesdropping either when foreign officials were discussing the Trump team, or when foreign officials were conversing with a Trump transition member. The surveillance was legally authorized, but the identities of U.S. citizens are typically masked so they cannot be known outside intelligence circles. Ms. Rice asked for and learned the identity of the Trump official, whose name hasn’t been publicly disclosed and our source declined to share.

Our source did confirm that Ms. Rice also examined dozens of other intelligence summaries that technically masked Trump official identities but were written in such a way as to make obvious who those officials were. This means that the masking was essentially meaningless. All this is highly unusual—and troubling. Unmasking does occur, but it is typically done by intelligence or law-enforcement officials engaged in antiterror or espionage investigations. Ms. Rice would have had no obvious need to unmask Trump campaign officials other than political curiosity.

[…]

The news about Ms. Rice’s unmasking role raises a host of questions for the Senate and House intelligence committees to pursue. What specific surveillance information did Ms. Rice seek and why? Was this information related to President Obama’s decision in January to make it possible for raw intelligence to be widely disbursed throughout the government? Was this surveillance of Trump officials “incidental” collection gathered while listening to a foreigner, or were some Trump officials directly targeted, or “reverse targeted”?

[clambake]

so you're saying obama is a badass?

[boutons_deux]

The controversy about rice and unmasking Communications is totally fabricated bullshit controversy, par for the course for the right-wing nuts

It's also nothing but yet another diversion from the tightening Russian noose around so-called Pres Trash's neck

[TSA]

The controversy about rice and unmasking Communications is totally fabricated bullshit controversy par for the course for the right-wing nuts

It's also nothing but yet another diversion from Trump's Russian noose around his neck

The only thing fabricated so far has been the Trump/Russia collusion.

It's going to be hilarious when the only people indicted are the Dems who created and pushed the false narrative and then called for an investigation.

[baseline bum]

The only thing fabricated so far has been the Trump/Russia collusion.

It's going to be hilarious when the only people indicted are the Dems who created and pushed the false narrative and then called for an investigation.

Comey's a democrat?

[TSA]

The controversy about rice and unmasking Communications is totally fabricated bullshit controversy par for the course for the right-wing nuts

It's also nothing but yet another diversion from Trump's Russian noose around his neck
Because they are the agencies that collect and refine intelligence “products” for the rest of the “intelligence community,” they are responsible for any unmasking; and they do it under “minimization” standards that FBI Director James Comey, in recent congressional testimony, described as “obsessive” in their determination to protect the identities and privacy of Americans. Understand: There would have been no intelligence need for Susan Rice to ask for identities to be unmasked. If there had been a real need to reveal the identities — an intelligence need based on American interests — the unmasking would have been done by the investigating agencies. The national-security adviser is not an investigator. She is a White House staffer. The president’s staff is a consumer of intelligence, not a generator or collector of it.

[TSA]

Funny what a single tweet from Trump produced

"It never happened!"

then

"There's no proof!"

then

"It wasn't intentional!"

then

"It was legal!"

then

"It may not have been legal, but it was for the good of 'the country'!"

[Reck]

Funny what a single tweet from Trump produced

"It never happened!"

then

"There's no proof!"

then

"It wasn't intentional!"

then

"It was legal!"

then

"It may not have been legal, but it was for the good of 'the country'!"

This is just retarded. False narraives from far right sites.

The wiretapping claims have always been false and there has always been only one stance on it by the intelligence agencies.

[TSA]

Col. (Ret.) James Waurishuk, an NSC veteran and former deputy director for intelligence at the U.S. Central Command, told TheDCNF that many hands had to be involved throughout the Obama administration to launch such a political spying program.

“The surveillance initially is the responsibility of the National Security Agency,” Waurishuk said. “They have to abide by this guidance when one of the other agencies says, ‘we’re looking at this particular person which we would like to unmask.'”

“The lawyers and counsel at the NSA surely would be talking to the lawyers and members of counsel at CIA, or at the National Security Council or at the Director of National Intelligence or at the FBI,” he said. “It’s unbelievable of the level and degree of the administration to look for information on Donald Trump and his associates, his campaign team and his transition team. This is really, really serious stuff.”

Michael Doran, former NSC senior director, told TheDCNF Monday that “somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security secrets and partisan politics.” This “was a stream of information that was supposed to be hermetically sealed from politics and the Obama administration found a way to blow a hole in that wall,” he said.

Doran charged that potential serious crimes were undertaken because “this is a leaking of signal intelligence.”
“That’s a felony,” he told TheDCNF. “And you can get 10 years for that. It is a tremendous abuse of the system. We’re not supposed to be monitoring American citizens. Bigger than the crime, is the breach of public trust.”

Waurishuk said he was most dismayed that “this is now using national intelligence assets and capabilities to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president.”

“We’re looking at a potential constitutional crisis from the standpoint that we used an extremely strong capability that’s supposed to be used to safeguard and protect the country,” he said. “And we used it for political purposes by a sitting president. That takes on a new precedent.”

[clambake]

thanks for that.

obama goin gangsta to safeguard and protect his country.

now thats a patriot.

[boutons_deux]

Col. (Ret.) James Waurishuk, an NSC veteran and former deputy director for intelligence at the U.S. Central Command, told TheDCNF that many hands had to be involved throughout the Obama administration to launch such a political spying program.

“The surveillance initially is the responsibility of the National Security Agency,” Waurishuk said. “They have to abide by this guidance when one of the other agencies says, ‘we’re looking at this particular person which we would like to unmask.'”

“The lawyers and counsel at the NSA surely would be talking to the lawyers and members of counsel at CIA, or at the National Security Council or at the Director of National Intelligence or at the FBI,” he said. “It’s unbelievable of the level and degree of the administration to look for information on Donald Trump and his associates, his campaign team and his transition team. This is really, really serious stuff.”

Michael Doran, former NSC senior director, told TheDCNF Monday that “somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security secrets and partisan politics.” This “was a stream of information that was supposed to be hermetically sealed from politics and the Obama administration found a way to blow a hole in that wall,” he said.

Doran charged that potential serious crimes were undertaken because “this is a leaking of signal intelligence.”
“That’s a felony,” he told TheDCNF. “And you can get 10 years for that. It is a tremendous abuse of the system. We’re not supposed to be monitoring American citizens. Bigger than the crime, is the breach of public trust.”

Waurishuk said he was most dismayed that “this is now using national intelligence assets and capabilities to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president.”

“We’re looking at a potential constitutional crisis from the standpoint that we used an extremely strong capability that’s supposed to be used to safeguard and protect the country,” he said. “And we used it for political purposes by a sitting president. That takes on a new precedent.”

what partisan Repug bullshit :lol

[TSA]

what partisan Repug bullshit :lol

your girl loses
your side blames the Russians
your side calls for an investigation
your side is now being investigated

how does it make you feel?

[clambake]

this is what happened.


obama spied on trump.
trump conspired with russians.


its delicious!

[clambake]

obama still bending him over.



i wish i could photoshop.

[pgardn]

Agree with what poster rjp postd tbqh

I been saying this for years

But Id also like to add US has been working on dismantling the "new" Russia since probably 2010 or 11

They did go back on many WWIi agreements because they thought they had Russia on the ropes and just needed a few more power punches to turn it into a 3rd world subserviant shithole

Thats how uncle sam likes their vassal states: poor, disorganized and helpless

They miscalculated greatly. Now Russia is there to stay for the foreseable future and so is Syria and Assad. Btw

Its just another grave miscalculation just like the Iraq one was

At some point we will start paying for the miscalculations of these few powerful murderers who call themselves american heroes and name airports, libraries and roads after themselves. sadly

Russia turned itself into a shithole and it's not the first time.
There will be no serious dealing with a murdering gangster like Putin. So when he moves on, Russia might be able to move forward. Those demonstrations against corruption will get worse as Russia continues down its dead end path. Maybe Putin will not have to die before the upper class must turn to aftershave when the Vodka is gone. This is basically the same country that was ready to ally with Hitler before he turned on them. Same mindset.

Assad going to the gas, they make wonderful allies.

[pgardn]

Assad doing the dirty thing for Hater.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/syria-chemical-attack-idlib-province

And his main man Donald says Obama did not do ENOUGH in Syria. I have never seen a poster so mixed up in his knowledge. At least Boots stays the course.

[djohn2oo8]

848953265022799874
Yup. They don't need Flynn's testimony.

[djohn2oo8]

849355494464647169

[boutons_deux]

849355494464647169

FBI vs CIA vs NSA = eternal bureaucratic turf battle

[pgardn]

Col. (Ret.) James Waurishuk, an NSC veteran and former deputy director for intelligence at the U.S. Central Command, told TheDCNF that many hands had to be involved throughout the Obama administration to launch such a political spying program.

“The surveillance initially is the responsibility of the National Security Agency,” Waurishuk said. “They have to abide by this guidance when one of the other agencies says, ‘we’re looking at this particular person which we would like to unmask.'”

“The lawyers and counsel at the NSA surely would be talking to the lawyers and members of counsel at CIA, or at the National Security Council or at the Director of National Intelligence or at the FBI,” he said. “It’s unbelievable of the level and degree of the administration to look for information on Donald Trump and his associates, his campaign team and his transition team. This is really, really serious stuff.”

Michael Doran, former NSC senior director, told TheDCNF Monday that “somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security secrets and partisan politics.” This “was a stream of information that was supposed to be hermetically sealed from politics and the Obama administration found a way to blow a hole in that wall,” he said.

Doran charged that potential serious crimes were undertaken because “this is a leaking of signal intelligence.”
“That’s a felony,” he told TheDCNF. “And you can get 10 years for that. It is a tremendous abuse of the system. We’re not supposed to be monitoring American citizens. Bigger than the crime, is the breach of public trust.”

Waurishuk said he was most dismayed that “this is now using national intelligence assets and capabilities to spy on the elected, yet-to-be-seated president.”

“We’re looking at a potential constitutional crisis from the standpoint that we used an extremely strong capability that’s supposed to be used to safeguard and protect the country,” he said. “And we used it for political purposes by a sitting president. That takes on a new precedent.”

You write this as serious stuff when our President tweets he has been spied upon by his predecessor?
Holy shit... This is part of what happens when you use the office like a funhouse. The politicians themselves are clearly partially responsible for using the intelligence community for political purposes. Or just gossip.

Dammit man wake the hell up.

[hater]

obama still bending him over.



i wish i could photoshop.

And Shitlery took it up the pooper Caligula style :lol

I wish i could photoshop :lol

[boutons_deux]

Rice's unmasking was not only legal, it was justified as "probable cause" of Trash and his team talking to a geopolitical adversary.

Of course, the Russians KNEW ABSOLUTELY that their comms were being "tapped", but Pootin bringin down a US President could fit perfectly well part of his "long game" to destabilize nominally democratic govts everywhere, to shake the confidence of Americans.

Pootin and the Russians play chess, the Americans can't even spell chess.

[DarrinS]

John's disease described here

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-putin-derangement-syndrome-arrives-w474771


a.k.a. "so mad, you can't see straight"

[Trill Clinton]

I agree with clambake. Obama is a baaaad man.

[boutons_deux]

Rep. Adam Schiff Dismisses Phony GOP Outrage Over Susan Rice As Just Another Trump Distraction

"No matter what the White House throws at us, we're going to be pressing forward."

http://15130-presscdn-0-89.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Schiff-Russia-distract.jpg


Schiff said it’s up to the FBI to remain proactive in the investigation and assured the American people that he would not be distracted from getting to the bottom of this major scandal:


“[Trump] is not going to change. He is who he is. So if they’re making efforts at the White House to interfere with our investigation, they’re going to continue to do that throughout the investigation. Whether they will risk doing that with the FBI, I don’t know, but we need to count on the bureau to maintain the integrity of that investigation. And I can assure you no matter what the White House throws at us, we’re going to be pressing forward. We’re determined to overcome any obstacle and use every resource we have.”

Schiff concluded by saying how important it is, despite Republican efforts, that the investigation is carried out in a way that’s transparent, so people can see the evidence and trust the end result of the investigation. He plans to continue pushing for public hearings.

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/04/rep-adam-schiff-dismisses-phony-gop-outrage-susan-rice-trump-distraction.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

Checks and balances, great in theory, but when the Repugs control Congress and WH, total failure.

Repugs fuck the Constitution, fuck America and Americans.

Their only priority is protecting/enabling/enriching their BigDonor and thereby themselves.

[TSA]

You write this as serious stuff when our President tweets he has been spied upon by his predecessor?
Holy shit... This is part of what happens when you use the office like a funhouse. The politicians themselves are clearly partially responsible for using the intelligence community for political purposes. Or just gossip.

Dammit man wake the hell up.
Please explain the bolded as the surveillance was going on since July 2016. Trump wasn't even a serious candidate in July 2016, if he was under surveillance chances look good some of the more serious candidates were also under surveillance...Rubio, Kasich, Cruz.

[TSA]

Rice's unmasking was not only legal, it was justified as "probable cause" of Trash and his team talking to a geopolitical adversary.

Which geopolitical adversary? It's been revealed the communications had nothing to do with Russia.

[TSA]

But while through most of its history the document has been marked “For the President’s Eyes Only,” the PDB has never gone to the president alone. The most restricted dissemination was in the early 1970s, when the book went only to President Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, who was dual-hatted as national security adviser and secretary of state. In other administrations, the circle of readers has also included the vice president, the secretary of defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, along with additional White House staffers. By 2013, Obama’s PDB was making its way to more than 30 recipients, including the president’s top strategic communications aide and speechwriter, and deputy secretaries of national security departments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-the-presidents-daily-brief/2016/12/29/eeb4bbec-c862-11e6-8bee-54e800ef2a63_story.html?utm_term=.a7a9ad946b0e

RpjN4iEz9Oo

Susan Rice @00:51 – …”Let me explain how this works. I was a National Security Adviser, my job is to protect the American people and the security of our country. That’s the same as the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense and CIA Director.; and every morning, to enable us to do that, we receive – from the intelligence community – a compilation of intelligence reports that the IC, the intelligence community, has selected for us –on a daily basis– to give us the best information as to what’s going on around the world.”

“I received those reports, as did other officials, and there were occasions when I would receive a report in which, uh, a ‘U.S Person’ was referred to. Name, uh, not provided, just ‘U.S. Person’.

And sometimes in that context, in order to understand the importance in the report – and assess it’s significance, it was necessary to find out or request, who that U.S. official was.”


===========


Did Susan Rice just reveal she was asking for US persons to be unmasked in the Presidents Daily Briefing? The same Presidents Daily Briefing that was being shared with 30+ recipients?

[clambake]

I agree with clambake. Obama is a baaaad man.

he's been fisting him since that dinner.

[clambake]

And Shitlery took it up the pooper Caligula style :lol

I wish i could photoshop :lol


no doubt that was fun to watch.

but.......lets take a look at the cast in this new season. i just wish obama would say "you're goddamn right i did"

[TSA]

"As his presidency drew to a close, Barack Obama’s top aides routinely reviewed intelligence reports gleaned from the National Security Agency’s incidental intercepts of Americans abroad, taking advantage of rules their boss relaxed starting in 2011 to help the government better fight terrorism, espionage by foreign enemies and hacking threats, Circa has learned.

Dozens of times in 2016, those intelligence reports identified Americans who were directly intercepted talking to foreign sources or were the subject of conversations between two or more monitored foreign figures. Sometimes the Americans’ names were officially unmasked; other times they were so specifically described in the reports that their identities were readily discernible. Among those cleared to request and consume unmasked NSA-based intelligence reports about U.S. citizens were Obama’s national security adviser Susan Rice, his CIA Director John Brennan and then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

Some intercepted communications from November to January involved Trump transition figures or foreign figures' perceptions of the incoming president and his administration. Intercepts involving congressional figures also have been unmasked occasionally for some time.

The NSA is expected to turn over logs as early as this week to congressional committees detailing who consumed reports with unmasked Americans' identities from their intercepts since the summer of 2016."



"For years, the NSA has been required to follow strict rules to protect the accidental intercepts of Americans from being consumed or misused by other government agencies. The rules required a process known as minimization, where the identity and information about an American who was intercepted is redacted or masked with generic references like “American No. 1.”

The number of senior government officials who could approve unmasking had been limited to just a few, like the NSA director himself.

But as the U.S. intelligence community became more worried over the last decade about its ability to locate lone wolf terrorists, foreign spies and hackers in an increasingly digital world, Bush and Obama began relaxing the rules for minimization and increasing access to NSA collected information on Americans. In short, the Obama administration created a standard set of “exceptions” to the minimization rules.

One of those relaxations came in 2011 when Attorney General Eric Holder sent a memo to the FISA court laying out the rules for sharing unmasked intercepts of Americans captured incidentally by the NSA. The court approved the approach.

In 2015, those rules were adapted to determine not only how the FBI got access to unmasked intelligence from NSA or FISA intercepts but also other agencies. One of the requirements, the NSA and FBI had to keep good records of who requested and gained access to the unredacted information."


"And in his final days in office, Obama created the largest ever expansion of access to non-minimized NSA intercepts, creating a path for all U.S. intelligence to gain access to unmasked reports by changes encoded in a Reagan-era Executive Order 12333.

The government officials who could request or approve an exception to unmask a U.S. citizen’s identity has grown substantially. The NSA now has 20 executives who can approve the unmasking of American information inside intercepts, and the FBI has similar numbers.

And executives in 16 agencies -- not just the FBI, CIA and NSA -- have the right to request unmasked information."


http://circa.com/politics/barack-obama-changed-how-nsa-intercepts-of-americans-like-donald-trump-could-be-shared

[TSA]

As the facts about who surveilled whom during the transition get sorted out, it is useful to remember why Trump’s team and his supporters have reason to be suspicious, thanks to a long documented history of Obama using shady surveillance tactics on both political opponents and international allies. Rhodes himself knows this history but that doesn’t seem to matter as he once again attempts to make people believe he fell out of the sky and onto Twitter on January 21st, 2017.

To help jog Rhodes’ memory, below are all the documented instances of the Obama administration using and in some cases abusing surveillance.

1. Fox News reporter James Rosen

In 2013 the news broke that Eric Holder’s Justice Department had spied on James Rosen. Obama’s DOJ collected Rosen’s telephone records as well as tracked his movements to and from the State Department from where he reported. Rosen was named as a possible co-conspirator in a Justice Department affidavit. Rosen claims that his parents phone line was also swept up in the collection of his records and DOJ records seem to confirm that. Despite the targeting of Rosen, there were no brave calls to boycott the White House Correspondents Dinner.

2. Senate Intelligence Committee and the CIA

CIA officers penetrated a network used to share information by Senate Intel committee members, including Sen. Diane Feinstein, the committee’s Democrat chair. The bombshell New York Times report went on to disclose:

The C.I.A. officials penetrated the computer network when they came to suspect that the committee’s staff had gained unauthorized access to an internal C.I.A. review of the detention program that the spy agency never intended to give to Congress. A C.I.A. lawyer then referred the agency’s suspicions to the Justice Department to determine whether the committee staff broke the law when it obtained that document. The inspector general report said that there was no “factual basis” for this referral, which the Justice Department has declined to investigate, because the lawyer had been provided inaccurate information. The report said that the three information technology officers “demonstrated a lack of candor about their activities” during interviews with the inspector general.

The Obama White House defended CIA director John Brennan’s actions and response. Imagine that.

3. Prism
In 2013, it was revealed how the Obama administration and NSA were facilitating a secret government mass surveillance program called Prism, because the name Orwell would have been too obvious, I guess.

Prism was created to access private communications of internet subscribers through several IP providers. This was done without the knowledge (or at the very least, the denial) or permission of the leaders of the targeted companies, including Google, Yahoo and Facebook. Defenders of the program, including President Obama suggested that Americans were not intentionally being caught up in Prism’s net and that the program was only to monitor actively from outside the united states coming into the country as part of the FISA authorization.

This is the same claim that is being made in the Flynn case. Director of Intelligence James Clapper while under oath denied any American citizens were currently under surveillance. When pressed again, Clapper hedged his answer by saying “Not intentionally.” The Washington Post hammered Obama himself for a misleading claim in a press conference he gave post discovery, titled “Remember when Obama said the NSA wasn’t “actually abusing” its powers? He was wrong.”

4. Angela Merkel and German Foreign Press

Every country spies on every country. This is not exactly a shocking revelation, be it ally or enemy. When, using information provided by Edward Snowden, Wikileaks revealed in Der Spiegel that Obama’s NSA had possibly targeted German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s private communications however, it was a direct black eye to the President. Jake Tapper, not exactly known for his hackneyed loyalty toward the Trump administration wrote in 2015, “Obama administration spied on German media as well as its government.” Tapper reported:

Less observed this week was news that the NSA was eavesdropping not only on Merkel, but also in some capacity on Germany’s free press, specifically Der Spiegel. CNN has learned that in early summer 2011, the CIA station chief in Berlin (also representing the NSA at the U.S. Embassy) met with Heiss and his assistant Guido Müller. The CIA station chief urged the two men to take action against Heiss’ deputy, Hans-Josef Vorbeck, who he said was leaking classified information to journalists.
That the U.S. government thought it appropriate to spy on journalists doing their jobs is controversial enough. But why would it be appropriate for U.S. officials to use these tools—given to save lives and protect U.S. national security—to notify the German government about officials talking to reporters in the normal exercise of a free press?”

The Obama administration defense was that this all falls under POLICY DIRECTIVE/PPD-28

Merkel was not alone. French President Francois Hollande was skeptical of the Obama administration and NSA’s explanation as was Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, when members of Congress were swept up in intelligence gathering while targeting top Israeli officials.

5. Associated Press Phone Records

Much like James Rosen and his shady al Qaeda looking parents, Obama’s Justice Department secretly obtained months of phone records belonging to AP journalists while investigating a failed terror attack. And much like the Rosen spying, this was personally approved by Attorney General Holder.

Mass surveillance and expansion of such under the Patriot Act is one of the most historically prevalent things about the Obama administration. There’s even a Wikipedia page dedicated to that alone. So why do the media and former administration officials act shocked and surprised when someone points the finger in their direction and asks if targeting an incoming President is possible?

There is a long, decorated history of questionable—even unconstitutional—surveillance from the Obama administration none of which proves Trump’s twitter ravings to be true. But it certainly is enough to raise suspicions among Trump’s supporters and even some of this critics that he could be perfectly correct.

https://heatst.com/politics/the-obama-administrations-long-history-of-shady-surveillance/

[clambake]

thats awesome shit.


keep it coming!

[TSA]

“…the president requested the compliation of the intelligence, which was ultimately provided in January [2017].”---Susan Rice

[djohn2oo8]

FBI vs CIA vs NSA = eternal bureaucratic turf battle

They are all together on this. PLUS Britain and other intelligence agencies overseas.

[djohn2oo8]

:lmao TRUMP thinking removing Bannon is going to make the Feds go away. :rollin

[djohn2oo8]

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[djohn2oo8]

849658488330571778

:lol

[TSA]

:lmao TRUMP thinking removing Bannon is going to make the Feds go away. :rollin

:lol thinking Bannon was removed for that reason

Bannon originally served on the committee as a check against Michael Flynn before Flynn was ousted as National Security Advisor, a top White House official told NBC News. However, Bannon only attended one meeting and felt he was no longer needed in that role after the selection of H.R. McMaster as national security advisor.

McMaster, who Bannon wanted in the role, was given authority to reorganize the committee when he joined the White House, according to NBC.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/05/steve-bannon-reportedly-removed-from-national-security-council-in-reorganization.html

[TSA]

djohn2oo8 I am still waiting for your list of who is getting indicted and for what, don't be shy.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s Russia Denials Are Falling Apart As Steve Bannon Is Removed From The NSC

Trump's Russia denials just fell apart as after months of denying that they knew Mike Flynn had Russia connections, White House officials admitted that they knew Flynn "had problems" which is why Steve Bannon was on the NSC.


Rosie Gray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)
(https://twitter.com/RosieGray)✔@RosieGray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)

sr WH official tells me Bannon was only on NSC to keep an eye on Flynn & "de-operationalize NSC from Rice" & that he never went to a meeting
10:43 AM - 5 Apr 2017 (https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/849648807138783232)



Rosie Gray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)
(https://twitter.com/RosieGray)✔@RosieGray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)

Same official says the president made the decision, this was the deal from the beginning, and "we all knew Flynn had issues"
10:48 AM - 5 Apr 2017 (https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/849649922903289857)

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/05/trumps-russia-denials-falling-steve-bannon-removed-nsc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

:lol Mr PizzaGate TSA, what say you? :lol

They "ALL KNEW" Flynn was a shitload of problems, but they gave him the job, anyway?

Maybe just to spite Obama's team for shitcanning Flynn BECAUSE he was a shitload of problems?

So WH/Repugs gonna say,

"OK, we got rid our Trash's SOLE Russian connection, so WH/Trash are clean now" LIE! :lol

[TSA]

Trump’s Russia Denials Are Falling Apart As Steve Bannon Is Removed From The NSC

Trump's Russia denials just fell apart as after months of denying that they knew Mike Flynn had Russia connections, White House officials admitted that they knew Flynn "had problems" which is why Steve Bannon was on the NSC.


Rosie Gray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)
(https://twitter.com/RosieGray)✔@RosieGray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)

sr WH official tells me Bannon was only on NSC to keep an eye on Flynn & "de-operationalize NSC from Rice" & that he never went to a meeting
10:43 AM - 5 Apr 2017 (https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/849648807138783232)



Rosie Gray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)
(https://twitter.com/RosieGray)✔@RosieGray (https://twitter.com/RosieGray)

Same official says the president made the decision, this was the deal from the beginning, and "we all knew Flynn had issues"
10:48 AM - 5 Apr 2017 (https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/849649922903289857)

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/05/trumps-russia-denials-falling-steve-bannon-removed-nsc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

:lol Mr PizzaGate TSA, what say you? :lol

They "ALL KNEW" Flynn was a shitload of problems, but they gave him the job, anyway?

Maybe just to spite Obama's team for shitcanning Flynn BECAUSE he was a shitload of problems?

So WH/Repugs gonna say,

"OK, we got rid our Trash's SOLE Russian connection, so WH/Trash are clean now" LIE! :lol




Page 109 and Flynn still not in major trouble :lol

[baseline bum]

They "ALL KNEW" Flynn was a shitload of problems, but they gave him the job, anyway?

Maybe just to spite Obama's team for shitcanning Flynn BECAUSE he was a shitload of problems?


:lol drain the swamp

[boutons_deux]

Page 109 and Flynn still not in major trouble :lol

he's spewing clouds of fishy-scented smoke out of every orifice. There's fire in there somewhere.

[TSA]

he's spewing clouds of fishy-scented smoke out of every orifice. There's fire in there somewhere.

Under surveillance since July 2016, still no fire.

[TSA]

Rice's unmasking was not only legal, it was justified as "probable cause" of Trash and his team talking to a geopolitical adversary.



Which geopolitical adversary? It's been revealed the communications had nothing to do with Russia.

[clambake]

Which geopolitical adversary? It's been revealed the communications had nothing to do with Russia.

now he has something to do with russia.

[boutons_deux]

Which geopolitical adversary? It's been revealed the communications had nothing to do with Russia.

:lol if that's true (NSA "tapps" everyone talking to anybody overseas anyway), how to know that's true? By "tapping" :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trash announces U.S. won't go after Pootin protege Assad, Assad thanks him by gassing his own people (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/4/1650028/-Trump-announces-US-won-t-go-after-Assad-Assad-thanks-him-by-gassing-his-own-people)

http://images.dailykos.com/images/358123/story_image/GettyImages-525269430.jpg?1485645114

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/4/4/1650028/-Trump-announces-US-won-t-go-after-Assad-Assad-thanks-him-by-gassing-his-own-people?detail=email&link_id=9&can_id=4217e8eb109c68bd0c2e4143dd2d8c15&source=email-i-think-we-found-out-why-trump-skipped-throwing-out-the-first-pitch-at-opening-day-in-dc&email_referrer=i-think-we-found-out-why-trump-skipped-throwing-out-the-first-pitch-at-opening-day-in-dc&email_subject=i-think-we-found-out-why-trump-skipped-throwing-out-the-first-pitch-at-opening-day-in-dc