Flynn in major trouble for speaking to Russia about sanctions

[ChumpDumper]

Powell has to be running out the clock until the impeachment trial is over. Nothing else makes any sense.

[Winehole23]

Powell has to be running out the clock until the impeachment trial is over. Nothing else makes any sense.what's the calculation, that the possibility of a pardon comes back in once Trump is acquitted?

[ChumpDumper]

what's the calculation, that the possibility of a pardon comes back in once Trump is acquitted?I can only guess Trump doesn't want/need any more bad press going in to the trial, though the long waits for anything in this Flynn process is an argument against my conspiracy theory.

[ChumpDumper]

And it looks like clemency would be the first step. Flynn has to be sentenced for either process to start anyway.

[boutons_deux]

NANCY PELOSI:

WHAT KIND OF SICK ShIT DO THE RUSSIANS HAVE ON MITCH MCCONNELL?

Pelosi reportedly (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-meeting/index.html) tore McConnell a proverbial new one,

charging that he’s acting like a rogue leader, an accusation she also made last month (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/nancy-pelosi-mitch-mcconnell-senate-trial) that is, of course, entirely accurate (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/mitch-mcconnell-impeachment-senate-trial-not-impartial-juror).

Sources told (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-meeting/index.html) CNN that Pelosi then “mused that sometimes she wonders whether McConnell has Russian connections.”

Last July, when the Washington Post ran an op-ed saying that

McConnell “is, arguably more than any other American, doing Russian president Vladimir Putin’s bidding,”

after he blocked numerous bills intended to prevent election meddling

—including one that would have required presidential campaigns to report any offers of assistance from agents of foreign governments—

McConnell had a massive conniption on the Senate floor.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/nancy-pelosi-mitch-mcconnell-russia?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=pol&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=Thematic_Ballot_01152020&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&utm_term=Thematic_Ballot_Subscribers

[boutons_deux]

Trash still "punching back" at his opponents from years ago. so Presidential

Trump goes on bizarre Comey rant in front of Chinese delegation:

He ‘choked like a dog!’

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trump-goes-on-bizarre-comey-rant-in-front-of-chinese-delegation-he-choked-like-a-dog/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3489

Is dog choking a well-known behavior?

All Y'all's adored Trash is one infantile, sicko mofo

[TSA]

He was working as an agent of Turkey, undeclared. When Judge Jackson asked prosecutors if what Flynn did was tantamount to treason, it wasn't idle speculation.

You should prob go back and look at his associate’s case the judge dismissed and why it was dismissed.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1217856335980716032

[TSA]

Justice Dept. Investigating Years-Old Leaks and Appears Focused on Comey

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/us/politics/leak-investigation-james-comey.html

[ChumpDumper]

TSA getting his hopes up again.

[boutons_deux]

Why have Trash and his mafiya been forgetting, lying, obstructing investigations?

[TSA]

Justice Dept. Investigating Years-Old Leaks and Appears Focused on Comey

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/us/politics/leak-investigation-james-comey.html

https://mobile.twitter.com/JudicialWatch/status/1217907374121529346

[Winehole23]

You should prob go back and look at his associate’s case the judge dismissed and why it was dismissed.Feel free to make your own point whenever you're done clearing your throat.

[boutons_deux]

Nothing but Barr deflecting from Trash's impeachment

Comey Under Investigation?
Latest News Raises ‘Suspicions’ of Political Revenge


President Donald Trump calling for (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/doj-clinton-probe-that-trump-desired-has-reportedly-found-nothing-worth-pursuing/)—and getting (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/doj-reveals-what-john-durham-will-be-doing-in-his-investigation-into-origins-of-russia-probe/)–investigations of his enemies is not without precedent,

so it didn’t take long for “suspicions” to be raised about the timing of this news, and

whether the probe is politically motivated.

“prosecutors and F.B.I. agents typically investigate leaks of classified information around the time they appear in the news media, not years later.”

this investigation “should raise suspicions (or at least eyebrows) to any reasonable person,” given that it focuses on Comey.

National security lawyer Bradley P. Moss, a partner at Zaid’s firm, suggested Trump’s fingerprints are all over this.

Others legal commentators said similar things.

What is being examined, you ask?

The leak of details to the media about a “Russian intelligence document” that reportedly “played a key role” in Comey’s decision to hold a July 2016 news conference announcing that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would not be charged over private email server use.

The Russian intelligence document included an unverified email that was apparently troubling enough to Comey that he decided to take matters into his own hands and sidestep then-AG Loretta Lynch:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/comey-under-investigation-latest-news-raises-suspicions-of-political-revenge/ (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/comey-under-investigation-latest-news-raises-suspicions-of-political-revenge/)

[TSA]

Feel free to make your own point whenever you're done clearing your throat.

WASHINGTON — A federal court in Virginia acquitted a former business associated of Michael Flynn on Tuesday, throwing out his July conviction by a jury on two counts of violating the Foreign Agent Registration Act during his work on behalf of Turkey.

Judge Anthony Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia dismissed the indictment against Bijan Rafiekian, citing insufficient evidence to sustain his conviction on either count.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-tosses-conviction-against-michael-flynn-s-ex-lobbying-partner-n1058386

[Winehole23]

That's a case against *someone else* :lol

[TSA]

That's a case against *someone else* :lol

No shit :lol

Flynn was never indicted or charged for what you claimed. Explain how Flynn was acting illegally as an unregistered foreign agent for Turkey while his associate’s charges were tossed by the judge for lack of evidence.

[Winehole23]

Flynn avoided indictment for more serious chages because he pleaded out.

If his motion to nullify the plea deal is granted, superceding charges and charges against Flynn Jt can come back in.

God, you're dense, TSA

[TSA]

Flynn avoided indictment for more serious chages because he pleaded out.

If his motion to nullify the plea deal is granted, superceding charges and charges against Flynn Jt can come back in.

God, you're dense, TSA

You think Flynn would be charged for what a judge dismissed in his associate’s case due to lack of evidence? :lol
God, you’re dense. You really need to read up on the Rafiekian case.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1218001941025959936

[boutons_deux]

Moscow Mitch blows off latest Russian hacking news, says

we've done enough :lol

to protect 2020 election

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-6342383902743491940&th=16fb955f66e3f2a2&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ-w_f7MCtdgbW5AGccMAay2iwW4l0yRQyYC8oztTYwQDe6ZH9H5l gZyRcjgvs0JD_XQRxrj0fS_N2TUHUwl-aHCUAnH251CEAUqI1CyoGGu1mIMzX7IZL2CI5E&disp=emb&realattid=ii_k5jrlmke0The news that Russian spies had hacked into Burisma (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/14/1911504/-Russian-spies-hacked-Ukrainian-gas-company-central-to-Trump-s-impeachment), the Ukrainian gas company central to debunked conspiracy theories from Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani about Ukrainian election interference, has rocketed 2020 election protection to the top of the intelligence community's list of concerns.

Pelosi blasted Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump (https://www.mediaite.com/news/pelosi-rips-trump-mcconnell-for-refusing-to-defend-election-security-after-reports-on-burisma-hack/) Tuesday for refusing to "take meaningful action to strengthen our election security."

McConnell, she said, is "giving hostile foreign powers the green light to attack our country" by refusing to take up House-passed legislation

Congress must be briefed on what the Administration knows about this attack and why the President doesn’t have a plan to protect our elections."

McConnell blew the question off (https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1217169699688992768). "We've appropriated $800 million over the last couple of years to deal with it," he said, scoffing off the possibility of doing further.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/1/14/1911544/-Moscow-Mitch-blows-off-latest-Russian-hacking-nes-says-we-ve-done-enough-to-protect-2020-election

[Winehole23]

You think Flynn would be charged for what a judge dismissed in his associate’s case due to lack of evidence? :lol
God, you’re dense. You really need to read up on the Rafiekian case.
It's odd you think the facts are the same for the two men or that the disposition of someone else's case is predictive for Flynn.

If Flynn is innocent, why did he plead guilty to something you've claimed repeatedly he didn't do? It makes no sense.

[boutons_deux]

Flynn wants to take back his plea deal of reduced, but still imprisonable charges,

does he want to take back, annul, cancel the information he gave as squealer?

[TSA]

It's odd you think the facts are the same for the two men or that the disposition of someone else's case is predictive for Flynn.

If Flynn is innocent, why did he plead guilty to something you've claimed repeatedly he didn't do? It makes no sense.

Stay on topic, you claimed Flynn acted as an unregistered foreign agent of the government of Turkey. He didn’t plead guilty to that and in fact refused to sign the plea agreement that said he knowingly signed false FARA documents. What facts are you claiming are different between the two business partners?

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The Government has failed to offer substantial evidence from which any rational juror could find beyond a reasonable doubt that Rafiekian knowingly acted and caused others to act in the United States as an agent of a foreign government without proper notification to the Attorney General in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 951.

First, there is no substantial evidence that Rafiekian agreed to operate subject to the direction or control of the Turkish government. There is no evidence of any actual or implied agreement between Rafiekian and the government of Turkey or any official of the government of Turkey. In fact, the only contact between Rafiekian and any Turkish official occurred during the September 19, 2016 meeting, and there is no evidence concerning anything said at that meeting from which a rational juror could find that Rafiekian had agreed to operate at the direction or control of the Turkish government. Nor do any of the actual agreements in evidence reflect any involvement by the Turkish government or any agreement by Rafiekian to operate subject to its direction and control; in fact, they all explicitly disclaim any agency relationship. The Government's entire case therefore substantially boils down to Rafiekian's interactions with Alptekin and its contention that Alptekin and Inovo were "intermediaries" for the Turkish government, through whom the Turkish government obtained Rafiekian's agreement to operate subject to its direction and control.

There was no competent evidence from which the jury could find that Alptekin acted as the type of "intermediary" the Government contends. In fact, the only evidence of any association between Alptekin and the Turkish government in connection with FIG's retention is reflected in the hearsay statements of Alptekin to Rafiekian, which were admitted not as proof of Alptekin's relationship or role relative to Turkey, but solely as evidence of what Alptekin told Rafiekian. Accordingly, the jury had no evidence of what Alptekin's actual relationship or role was relative to the Turkish government, and because of that absence of evidence could not find for its purposes in deciding the case that Alptekin was, in fact, operating as an agent, alter ego, representative, "cut-out", or any other type of "intermediary" for the Turkish government. The question therefore reduces to whether what Alptekin told Rafiekian, when viewed in combination with the other evidence in the case, was sufficient for a rational juror to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Rafiekian knowingly acted as an undisclosed agent of the Turkish government.

Nothing Alptekin said to Rafiekian was sufficient for a rational juror to find that Rafiekian had agreed to act or was knowingly acting as an agent of the Turkish government. There is nothing in those communications that could be construed as a request that Rafiekian do so or an agreement by Rafiekian to do so. What Alptekin said about his interactions with Turkish officials, or his own motivations or instructions, did not reflect any expectation by the Turkish government that by entering into a commercial contract with Inovo, Rafiekian would be acting or agreeing to act as its agent. Likewise, there is no evidence of any statements by Rafiekian that would allow a rational juror to find that Rafiekian had agreed to operate as an agent of the Turkish government, or that he thought he was acting as a Turkish agent. That Rafiekian expressed sentiments aligned with the well-known publicly stated views, goals, and objectives of the Turkish government or that he expressed admiration for the Turkish President is not a sufficient evidentiary basis for a juror to find, without improperly speculating, that Rafiekian had signed on as a Turkish agent.

Nor could a rational juror find a violation of Section 951 based on Rafiekian's conduct during the course of the engagement with Inovo. The engagement was memorialized in written agreements that disclaimed any agency relationships, and while what the parties call their relationship is not controlling, there is no evidence sufficient to establish an agency relationship between Rafiekian and Turkey. Rafiekian essentially subcontracted or otherwise assigned the entirety of the work associated with the engagement to others, including Sphere, and within FIG, Flynn, who was designated as the engagement's lead, McCauley, who was the investigation lead, and Boston, the engagement coordinator, none of whom the Government contended were themselves acting as Turkish agents. Thus, the evidence is that the work contemplated by the engagement was to be performed, and was actually performed, largely by individuals other than Rafiekian; and there is no evidence that Rafiekian, or Alptekin for that matter, was channeling instructions from the Turkish government concerning the day-to-day operational details of that work.

Similarly, nothing in the structure of this commercial engagement gives rise to a reasonable inference that Rafiekian was acting as an agent of, or even on behalf of, the Turkish government. The relationship between Alptekin and FIG/Rafiekian was structured as a commercial contract between Inovo and FIG, who entered into an Independent Advisory Services Agreement, as well as a related supplemental consulting agreement between Alptekin and FIG. The Government contends that the payments made to FIG from Inovo and from FIG to Alptekin allows the inference that Rafiekian was acting as an agent of the Turkish government or that Alptekin was acting as the agent of Turkey in retaining FIG. But there is no evidence, direct or otherwise, sufficient to reasonably infer that Turkey funded the engagement of FIG, or that the engagement was not in fact being funded by a group of Turkish businessmen, as Rafiekian stated consistently throughout. See, e.g., Trial Tr. 395:19-24, [Doc. No. 330] (McCauley); 333:11-16, [Do. No. 333] (Courtovich). And as the Court has previously observed, FIG's payments to Alptekin, no matter how Rafiekian characterized them over time, are insufficient to support the inference that Rafiekian was acting or had agreed to act as a Turkish agent. See [Doc. No. 292 at 31]. Ultimately, nothing about the structure of FIG's contracts with Inovo and Alptekin or the payments made pursuant to those contracts gives rise to a reasonable or rational inference that Rafiekian had acted or agreed to act as an agent of the Turkish government. Nor do Rafiekian's statements to Covington constitute substantial evidence from which a rational juror could find beyond a reasonable doubt that Rafiekian had agreed to operate as a Turkish agent.

Even assuming there was sufficient evidence from which a reasonable jury could conclude Rafiekian was acting or had agreed to act "on behalf of the Turkish government" (which the Court does not find), such a showing by itself, as the Government concedes, is not enough to convict under Section 951; adequate proof of an agreement to operate subject to Turkey's direction or control was also required. The government failed to carry that burden. Apart from identifying the scope of services and overall objective for FIG's engagement - a public relations effort, contemplating a never-produced video to support the extradition of Gulen to Turkey by the U.S. government, there is no substantial evidence that Inovo, Alptekin, or the Turkish government exercised the requisite direction or control. As mentioned above, in addition to Rafiekian, many others were involved in determining how to proceed with that work, including centrally Sphere, who controlled the details of the proposed video and at least some of the related research and interviews, and who came up with the idea of creating a board game called Gulenopoly. There is no evidence, not even in the hearsay statements from Alptekin to Rafiekian, that Alptekin, Inovo, or anyone associated with the Turkish government directed or controlled the work performed by FIG or Sphere personnel. Indeed, the lack of direction or control over Rafiekian, FIG, and its consultants is reflected in the accounts of Alptekin's disappointment in what FIG and Sphere presented to Alptekin at the November 2, 2016 meeting, see Trial Tr. 723:3-9, [Doc. No. 333] (Courtovich); 431:23-432:4, 444:6-8, [Doc. No. 330] (McCauley).

This lack of direction or control is also reflected in Rafiekian's, FIG's, and Sphere's rejection of requests or suggestions by Alptekin. For example, in the one instance where Alptekin inquired as to whether FBI or other government information could be accessed through FIG's contacts with former FBI agents, his suggestion was rejected out of hand. See Trial Tr. 442:13-443:20, 444:6-16, [Doc. No. 330] (McCauley). Similarly, on another occasion, Rafiekian told Flynn that Alptekin had "shared some very specific expectations with [him]" for work beyond that which was contemplated in the agreement between FIG and Inovo, and that Rafiekian had "told him that the expectations are unreasonable" and "dismissed [them] immediately." GEX 29. FIG and the consultants it retained based their work on open source research, most of which was conducted by people and companies other than Rafiekian and FIG, was never disseminated, and was to a large degree duplicative of research that the Turkish government had already hired the law firm Amsterdam & Partners LLP to perform. See Trial. Tr. 425:13-15, 428:10-18, [Doc. No. 330] (McCauley); id. at 592:1-593:11, [Doc. No. 331] (Neer). The Government points to FIG's periodic reports concerning the progress of the work, contemplated under the Agreement, as evidence of direction or control, but there is no evidence that those updates were used to pass on what were viewed as binding instructions from the Turkish government.

Finally, the Government points to the op-ed published by Flynn on November 8, 2016 and Rafiekian's statement to Alptekin that "a promise made is a promise kept" as sufficient evidence that Rafiekian was a Turkish agent. But there is no evidence that the op-ed had been requested by the Turkish government, either directly or through Alptekin; or that it was Rafiekian, as opposed to Flynn, who decided to have the op-ed published at that time.

The Government essentially contends that the jury could have considered all of this evidence, weighed it, rejected it, and found otherwise. But there was no substantial evidence upon which a rational jury could have found otherwise without impermissible speculation and conjecture. For the above reasons, the Government has failed to present substantial evidence sufficient for a rational juror to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Rafiekian acted or caused others to act as an agent of a foreign government in violation of 18 U.S.C § 951.

Nor has the Government presented sufficient evidence for a rational jury to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that Rafiekian conspired with Alptekin or anyone else to violate 22 U.S.C. § 618(a)(2). There is no evidence of discussions or suggestions, let alone an agreement, express or implied, to either avoid filing under FARA or to cause the filing of a false FARA registration statement. As referenced above, following his conversations with Alptekin in August 2016 and in anticipation of FIG's engagement with Inovo pertaining to Gulen, Rafiekian consulted with two law firms concerning his obligations to register under FARA before ultimately filing under the LDA in accordance with the legal advice he obtained. Likewise, Sphere, the experienced consultants retained by FIG, also considered their registration obligations and chose to file under the LDA after consulting with legal counsel. See Trial Tr. 639:15-640:2, [Doc. No. 331] (Miller). The Government contends that these filings simply reflected Rafiekian's misrepresentations to his lawyers and to his consultants concerning his true relationship with the Turkish government or on whose behalf he and FIG were acting. But for the reasons discussed above, there is no evidence sufficient to establish that Rafiekian was, or thought he was, working as an agent of the Turkish government, or that the "client" was not, in fact, Inovo.

Nor can any conspiracy to violate FARA be inferred from the FARA filing itself for the reasons previously stated in the Court's July 9, 2019 Order, which is incorporated herein by reference. See [Doc. No. 292 at 8-11, 29-31]. The superseding indictment alleges that the alleged conspiracy began from at least July 2016; but the DOJ did not even raise the specter of a need for a FARA filing until its letter to Flynn dated November 30, 2016 (which did not become known to Flynn until December 24, 2016), by which time FIG had ceased operations and was not performing any work for Inovo or anyone else. More centrally, there is no evidence of any communications between Rafiekian and anyone else concerning the substance of any FARA filing other than with Covington during its investigation into whether a FARA filing was necessary after it was retained by FIG and Flynn in December 2016 or early January 2017.

The Government claims "the three co-conspirators [Rafiekian, Flynn, and Alptekin] again gave substantially identical explanations [in the FARA filings] that the jury plainly deemed false and used as further evidence of a concerted agreement to lie." [Doc. No. 365 at 20]. But that contention ignores the lack of evidence to establish the presumed conspiracy, or any agreement, among these three individuals concerning the FARA filing, as discussed above. In fact, until the eve of trial, the Government contended that Flynn was not part of the alleged conspiracy. There were also material differences in the explanations these individuals gave to Covington, particularly by Alptekin, but even accepting the Government's characterization, no inference of a conspiracy could be drawn from those statement by themselves. See Bell Atlantic v. Twombly, 550 U.S. 544, 564-566 (2007) (parallel conduct by itself does not plausibly allege a conspiratorial agreement). For the above reasons, the Government failed to present substantial evidence for a rational juror to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Rafiekian knowingly participated in a conspiracy to (1) act as an unregistered agent of a foreign government in violation of Section 951; and (2) make willful and material false statements and omissions in a FARA filing in violation of 22 U.S.C. § 618(a)(2).

https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-rafiekian-1

[Winehole23]

That's just a longer version of what you already said.

Flynn pleaded down because more serious charges were hanging over his head. He spoiled that deal by hiring a dumbass to represent him.

Flynn will be going to prison soon.

[TSA]

That's just a longer version of what you already said.

Flynn pleaded down because more serious charges were hanging over his head. He spoiled that deal by hiring a dumbass to represent him.

Flynn will be going to prison soon.

What facts are you claiming are different between the two business partners?

[Winehole23]

What facts are you claiming are different between the two business partners?One of them wasn't a US official, for one.

[TSA]

One of them wasn't a US official, for one.

Flynn wasn’t a US official during the time with FIG either. You really should read more on the case before continuing on, you sound clueless as to what happened.

[Winehole23]

Flynn wasn’t a US official during the time with FIG either. You really should read more on the case before continuing on, you sound clueless as to what happened.
So the 400G ceased to he effective on inauguration day?

Naive! :lol

[TSA]

So the 400G ceased to he effective on inauguration day?

Naive! :lol

In what role was Flynn serving as a US official between 8/7/2014 and 1/23/2017?

[Winehole23]

In what role was Flynn serving as a US official between 8/7/2014 and 1/23/2017?

He was doing foreign policy in Dec 2016.

Do you recall what he got fired for?

[Winehole23]

Just washed the car, time to play with the grandkid.

Toodles!

[Chris]

Winehole :rollin

[TSA]

He was doing foreign policy in Dec 2016.

Do you recall what he got fired for?

The call to Kislyak was 12/29/2016—Flynn Intel Group has already shut down by then.

Flynn wasn’t a US official then and wasn’t working as an unregistered foreign agent of Turkey like you claimed.

[ElNono]

Flynn has a lot of options, but not necessarily at this stage (sentencing) of this particular case, IMO.

He can request the withdrawal and a mistrial on appeals, he can counter-sue for breach of agreement, etc. He'll have to prove all those allegations, obviously, and be able to afford all those proceedings.

[TSA]

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/feds-reportedly-investigating-2017-leak-with-focus-on-james-comey/

'Strong' paper trail has John Durham investigating the months before Mueller appointment

A trail of documents has reportedly led Attorney General William Barr's handpicked federal prosecutor to focus his inquiry into the origins of the Russia investigation on the first several months of President Trump's tenure.

John Durham, a U.S. attorney from Connecticut, is zeroing in on the period spanning from January 2017, when Trump took office, to May of that year. A "strong" paper trail, as CBS News senior investigative correspondent Catherine Herridge put it on Friday, has led the investigation into possible misconduct by federal law enforcement and intelligence officials to that time frame.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/strong-paper-trail-has-john-durham-investigating-the-months-before-mueller-appointment

[boutons_deux]

"possible misconduct" :lol

:lol fucking Barr and his fucking hitman Durham?

absolutely no credibility, totally biased witchhunting.

[boutons_deux]

Swiss police 'exposed Russian spies in Davos'

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15741/production/_110537878_gettyimages-910160286.jpg

Police apprehended two suspected Russian intelligence agents in Davos last August, a Swiss newspaper reports.

Tages-Anzeiger says the men, who had diplomatic passports, may have been preparing a spying operation targeting the World Economic Forum (WEF).

It adds that the pair, one of whom was posing as a plumber, were subsequently released.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51196659 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51196659)

[Winehole23]

TSA uses the same template for everything.

Investigation of Dems = Dems are the bad guys

Investigation of GOP = the investigators are the bad guys

[TSA]

TSA uses the same template for everything.

Investigation of Dems = Dems are the bad guys

Investigation of GOP = the investigators are the bad guys

:lol avoiding the thread for 3 days after getting your shit pushed in, not acknowledging it, and dropping this random turd of nonsense.

[Winehole23]

:lol avoiding the thread for 3 days after getting your shit pushed in, not acknowledging it, and dropping this random turd of nonsense.I have no idea what you're taking about. Have you been huffing jinkem?

[TSA]

I have no idea what you're taking about. Have you been huffing jinkem?

You look stupider trying to play stupid

[Winehole23]

You look stupider trying to play stupidI can see you're spiking the football, jist not sure why.

[TSA]

I can see you're spiking the football, jist not sure why.

I can see you’re still playing stupid, carry on.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1220035580630904832

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1220064759481061378

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1220035580630904832

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1220064759481061378So, still pleading guilty?

:lol

[Winehole23]

I can see you’re still playing stupid, carry on.About what?

Are you claiming victory on a discussion board?

[TSA]

About what?

Are you claiming victory on a discussion board?

Must be some toxic fumes in your car wash soap.

[Winehole23]

Must be some toxic fumes in your car wash soap.We were discussing a hypothetical situation -- Flynn successfully withdrawing his plea.

I wasn't aware hypothetical cases were subject to proof and disproof.

Can you walk us through that?

[Winehole23]

Lol car wash soap

[DMC]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1220035580630904832

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1220064759481061378

Imagine the government holding back your healthcare because you don't cooperate.

[ElNono]

here's the actual doc, if anybody is interested, requesting leniency in the sentencing...

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.156.0_1.pdf

Judge hasn't removed the sentencing from the calendar...

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1220446157832445954?s=19

yikes

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1220446157832445954?s=19

yikes

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1220432779260964866

double yikes

[ChumpDumper]

The DOJ determined that the renewals the DOJ asked for were not valid?

:lol OK.

[spurraider21]

just seems like they acknowledged the IG report as accurate tbh

[TSA]

Boasberg’s ruling noted that DOJ had not yet taken a position on the lawfulness of the first two applications against Page, but was currently collecting information to assess whether those two spy applications were also invalid. The invalid applications specified by Boasberg were dated April 7 and June 29 of 2017. The false and invalid April 7 application was personally signed by James Comey, while the false and invalid June 29 application was signed by Andrew McCabe. Both men were referred for criminal prosecution by the inspector general. Former deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, who is alleged to have offered to wear a wire against President Donald Trump, also signed off on the false June 29 FISA warrant against Page.

The FISA court order also noted that it is a federal crime for any federal official to “intentionally…disclose[] or use[] information obtained under color of law by electronic surveillance, knowing or having any reason to know that the information was obtained through electronic surveillance not authorized” by law. The following sentence of Boasberg’s ruling is redacted, raising questions about whether the government used any information obtained pursuant to the now-invalid Page surveillance warrants in other cases.

The final warrant against Page overlapped with former special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The final three-month authorization to spy on Page was signed nearly six weeks after Mueller was appointed, meaning that Mueller may have had real-time access to and utilized nearly five months worth of surveillance of Page during the course of Mueller’s investigation. If his office used any of the information in subsequent cases, the declaration that the final two spy warrants against Page were invalid could potentially nullify previous or future convictions sought by Mueller’s office.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/23/breaking-spy-court-admits-fisa-warrants-against-carter-page-were-not-valid/

[spurraider21]

Boasberg’s ruling noted that DOJ had not yet taken a position on the lawfulness of the first two applications against Page, but was currently collecting information to assess whether those two spy applications were also invalid. The invalid applications specified by Boasberg were dated April 7 and June 29 of 2017. The false and invalid April 7 application was personally signed by James Comey, while the false and invalid June 29 application was signed by Andrew McCabe. Both men were referred for criminal prosecution by the inspector general. Former deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein, who is alleged to have offered to wear a wire against President Donald Trump, also signed off on the false June 29 FISA warrant against Page.

The FISA court order also noted that it is a federal crime for any federal official to “intentionally…disclose[] or use[] information obtained under color of law by electronic surveillance, knowing or having any reason to know that the information was obtained through electronic surveillance not authorized” by law. The following sentence of Boasberg’s ruling is redacted, raising questions about whether the government used any information obtained pursuant to the now-invalid Page surveillance warrants in other cases.

The final warrant against Page overlapped with former special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The final three-month authorization to spy on Page was signed nearly six weeks after Mueller was appointed, meaning that Mueller may have had real-time access to and utilized nearly five months worth of surveillance of Page during the course of Mueller’s investigation. If his office used any of the information in subsequent cases, the declaration that the final two spy warrants against Page were invalid could potentially nullify previous or future convictions sought by Mueller’s office.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/23/breaking-spy-court-admits-fisa-warrants-against-carter-page-were-not-valid/
what was the basis for those referrals, TSA?

[Winehole23]

The DOJ determined that the renewals the DOJ asked for were not valid?

:lol OK.The DOJ declining to defend its own actions is striking.

[Winehole23]

Chris and TSA with no own takes or demonstated familiarity with sources, pure partisan magpies.

[Winehole23]

No own takes on a discussion board, just copypasta like boutons.

[TSA]

No own takes on a discussion board, just copypasta like boutons.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283084

[boutons_deux]

No own takes on a discussion board, just copypasta like boutons.

I have plenty of takes, like G F Y and your inane pissing matches with inane ST rigthwingnutjobs.

[TSA]

what was the basis for those referrals, TSA?

Comey for leaking
McCabe for lying under oath to IG and FBI

[spurraider21]

Comey for leaking
McCabe for lying under oath to IG and FBI
so nothing to do with the subject matter of that article

[TSA]

so nothing to do with the subject matter of that article

Never claimed such.

[spurraider21]

Never claimed such.
Relax, Chris.

The way the article included that and wove it in, it implied that their criminal referrals were related. It also conveniently failed to mention that the DOJ ultimately passed on pursuing Comey.

[TSA]

Relax, Chris.

The way the article included that and wove it in, it implied that their criminal referrals were related.

I see what your saying and agreed, but don’t forget Horowitz testimony saying what he found was so bad that instead of making single criminal referrals he just handed the entire report over to DOJ/FBI and said from agent to the top you guys decide on prosecuting.

I was more interested in the ramifications of the last two paragraphs but needed to include the first for context.

[spurraider21]

I see what your saying and agreed, but don’t forget Horowitz testimony saying what he found was so bad that instead of making single criminal referrals he just handed the entire report over to DOJ/FBI and said from agent to the top you guys decide on prosecuting.

I was more interested in the ramifications of the last two paragraphs but needed to include the first for context.
yup, that goes to the fruit of the poisonous tree theory of admissible evidence in criminal prosecutions.

but i dont know that any info obtained from the taps actually gave him the info they used for any of the prosecutions. we'll see.

[Spurs Homer]

Boooommmm!!!


:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[boutons_deux]

fuck red states

CBS’ Brennan Busts Sen. Cotton for Trying to Dismiss Trump Team Criticism as a ‘Democratic Talking Point’: A GOP Leader Said it

Face the Nation, Brennan asked Cotton:

“Do you think it was a misstep for one of the president’s lawyers, Jay Sekulow, to stand on the floor of the Senate and repeat the conspiracy theory that Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election?”

“Margaret, that’s not a conspiracy theory,” Cotton replied —

flouting the conclusion of the entire U.S. intelligence community.

Brennan responded by quoting Sen. John Thune (R-ND).

“[He] said he would prefer the lawyers not do that because the intelligence community concluded that it was Russia that meddled,” Brennan said.

“That’s a Democratic talking point,” Cotton said in response.
Brennan swiftly beat back that claim.

“This is what John Thune — one of the Republican leaders — said,” Brennan replied.

"You can also say that it’s clear some Ukrainian officials tried to influence the outcome of the election in 2016.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cbs-brennan-busts-sen-cotton-for-trying-to-dismiss-trump-team-criticism-as-a-democratic-talking-point-a-republican-leader-said-it/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cbs-brennan-busts-sen-cotton-for-trying-to-dismiss-trump-team-criticism-as-a-democratic-talking-point-a-republican-leader-said-it/)

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1222580685086642176

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1222597479486672896

[boutons_deux]

why did stupid fucking Flynn plead guilty?

He's proving himself yet again to be complete fool. A Lieutenant General? :lol

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1222590386796998658

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1222592392714428417

[spurraider21]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1222580685086642176
:lmao blames "ineffective assistance of counsel provided by his former lawyers, who were in the grip of intractable conflicts of interest, and severely prejudiced him" :lmao

arent these the attorneys who were so good and expensive that he had to sell his house to pay them... all for a plea bargain?

[ChumpDumper]

So Flynn lied twice in federal court.

:lol OK

[RandomGuy]

So Flynn lied twice in federal court.

:lol OK


"You know those times I pled guilty to lying to the FBI? Well that wasn't true".

:ROFL
TSA Flynn still in major trouble.

[TSA]

"You know those times I pled guilty to lying to the FBI? Well that wasn't true".

:ROFL
TSA Flynn still in major trouble.

:lol major trouble

https://mobile.twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1222634662910218240

[spurraider21]

trying to find the full brief filed by the prosecution... unsuccessfully so far

[spurraider21]

got it. its linked near the middle-bottom of this article

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/29/flynn-legal-team-withdraw-guilty-plea-109126

link to govt brief, but its not specifically addressing the motion to withdraw plea, its just a sentencing memo (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.163.0_5.pdf)


Also pending before the Court is the defendant’s motion to withdraw his plea, which the government will address in a separate filing

[TSA]

"You know those times I pled guilty to lying to the FBI? Well that wasn't true".

:ROFL
TSA Flynn still in major trouble.

Is probation major trouble?

Why is the government backtracking and agreeing with the defense that probation is warranted?

[TSA]

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.160.35.pdf

:lol McCabe

[spurraider21]

NYT good now

[RandomGuy]

Is probation major trouble?

Why is the government backtracking and agreeing with the defense that probation is warranted?

Felony records are, by definition, "major trouble".

As for your question, I would note I am not party to internal DOJ discussions. Feel free to ask them.

[TSA]

Felony records are, by definition, "major trouble".

As for your question, I would note I am not party to internal DOJ discussions. Feel free to ask them.

3 years and 1900+ pages of Flynn being in major trouble and the government recommends probation :lmao

[spurraider21]

3 years and 1900+ pages of Flynn being in major trouble and the government recommends probation :lmao
Govt recommended 0-6 months all along. The 0 represents probation

[boutons_deux]

3 years and 1900+ pages of Flynn being in major trouble and the government recommends probation :lmao

It's the Trash/Barr DoJ, FBI

[TSA]

It's the Trash/Barr DoJ, FBI

Van Grack worked under Mueller for 2+ years dipshit.

[Winehole23]

The government has been consistent; Flynn is the one asking for lenience for lying because he's a heroic US General and trying the patience of the judge by making repetitive requests, turning them in late and exceeding the requested page length.

Flynn and his lawyer aren't so smart.

[TSA]

Govt recommended 0-6 months all along. The 0 represents probation

3 years and 1900+ pages of Flynn being in major trouble and the government recommends probation :lmao

[TSA]

The government has been consistent; Flynn is the one asking for lenience for lying because he's a heroic US General and trying the patience of the judge by making repetitive requests, turning them in late and exceeding the requested page length.

Flynn and his lawyer aren't so smart.

The government has been consistent with egregious misconduct against Flynn.

Van Grack and his team aren't so smart.

https://www.scribd.com/document/444788722/US-v-Flynn-Motion-to-Withdraw-due-to-Govt-Misconduct

[ChumpDumper]

3 years and 1900+ pages of Flynn being in major trouble and the government recommends probation :lmaoTSA is trying desperately to normalize a National Security Adviser felon.:lmao

[boutons_deux]

Van Grack worked under Mueller for 2+ years dipshit.

the decisions are being made, even forced, NOW by Trash/Barr/etc, dipshit.

[TSA]

the decisions are being made, even forced, NOW by Trash/Barr/etc, dipshit.


Govt recommended 0-6 months all along.

:lol dipshit

[spurraider21]

Is probation major trouble?

Why is the government backtracking and agreeing with the defense that probation is warranted?


Govt recommended 0-6 months all along. The 0 represents probation


:lol dipshit

[TSA]

Govt recommended 0-6 months all along. The 0 represents probation

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1222634662910218240

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/1222634662910218240This is true.

They softened their stance from 0-6 months to....


























































....0-6 months.


:lol

[RandomGuy]

3 years and 1900+ pages of Flynn being in major trouble and the government recommends probation :lmao


Govt recommended 0-6 months all along. The 0 represents probation

Translation:

https://www.pbh2.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/sports-fails-gifs-fumble.gif

:lol

#TSAfail

[TSA]

Translation:


:lol

#TSAfail


"You know those times I pled guilty to lying to the FBI? Well that wasn't true".

:ROFL
TSA Flynn still in major trouble.

3 years and 1900+ pages of Flynn being in major trouble and the government recommends probation :lmao

probation = major trouble :lmao

[TSA]

Translation:


:lol

#TSAfailpick a lane RG




Michael Flynn should get up to 6 months in jail for lying to FBI, prosecutors say

Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's first national security adviser Michael Flynn should serve up to six months in jail, prosecutors told a federal judge on Tuesday, saying Flynn has failed to accept responsibility for his actions and undermined a separate criminal case.

The sentencing memo shows just how harshly the Justice Department responds to Flynn's recent attempts to unravel his guilty plea in the Mueller investigation and says that he sought to thwart the government's investigation into his former business partner, an abrupt turn from Flynn's months of cooperation and public reticence during the special counsel's probe.
"It is clear that the defendant has not learned his lesson," the Justice Department wrote. "He has behaved as though the law does not apply to him, and as if there are no consequences for his actions."
Flynn, 61, is set to be sentenced on January 28, more than two years since he pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators.
"Given the serious nature of the defendant's offense, his apparent failure to accept responsibility, his failure to complete his cooperation in -- and his affirmative efforts to undermine -- the prosecution of Bijan Rafiekian (also known as Bijan Kian) and the need to promote respect for the law and adequately deter such criminal conduct," prosecutors wrote, recommending between zero and six months in jail.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...achment-098532

Looks like his dumb lawyer done made them mad.

[TSA]

Govt recommended 0-6 months all along. The 0 represents probation

In late 2017, he became an early and major cooperator in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.

Only the fourth defendant to face a charge in the probe, Flynn cut a deal to accept a single criminal charge of lying. He admitted to lying in an FBI interview in January 2017 about conversations he had during the presidential transition with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and failing to disclose on federal forms details about his lobbying firm's work for Turkey prior to his administration service.

Prosecutors one year ago said Flynn should receive as little as no jail time, making Tuesday's memo a reversal.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/michael-flynn-sentencing-recommendation-six-months/index.html

"Based on all of the relevant facts and for the foregoing reasons, the government submits that a sentence within the Guidelines range of 0 to 6 months of incarceration is appropriate and warranted in this case, agrees with the defendant that a sentence of probation is a reasonable sentence and does not oppose the imposition of a sentence of probation"

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.163.0_5.pdf

Why do you think the government is softening their stance on Flynn now compared to weeks ago?

[spurraider21]

weeks ago they said 0-6 months. they showed other circumstances where people were incarcerated, and specifically told the court that they can distinguish flynn because of his past service if they want to go probation route.

now they are saying 0-6 months and therefore are not contesting probation

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSA's legal practice

[TSA]

weeks ago they said 0-6 months. they showed other circumstances where people were incarcerated, and specifically told the court that they can distinguish flynn because of his past service if they want to go probation route.

now they are saying 0-6 months and therefore are not contesting probation

weeks ago people ITT were claiming Flynn was fucked, Flynn was getting a custodial sentence, the Feds wanted 6 months prison...

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266387&page=1939

why the softening of their stance?

[spurraider21]

weeks ago people ITT were claiming Flynn was fucked, Flynn was getting a custodial sentence, the Feds wanted 6 months prison...

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266387&page=1939

why the softening of their stance?
before flynn's team started throwing a fit, they only wanted probation. weren't asking for up to 6 years. now they're saying 0-6. judge can consider a bunch of factors to decide if he actually wants to give up to 6.

[ChumpDumper]

In TSA's world, being convicted of a felony is a major win.

[boutons_deux]

Justice Department releases

“almost entirely redacted” FBI memo on Kushner.

Is it hiding something?


A memo tied to Bannon revealed the claim that Kushner “attempted to back channel for communications with Russia"

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/06/justice-department-releases-almost-entirely-redacted-fbi-memo-on-kushner-is-it-hiding-something/

America is now run by a fascist, lawless Exec branch, with full approval of the Repug pols.

America is fucked and unfuckable

[Spurs Homer]

Justice Department releases

“almost entirely redacted” FBI memo on Kushner.

Is it hiding something?


A memo tied to Bannon revealed the claim that Kushner “attempted to back channel for communications with Russia"

https://www.salon.com/2020/02/06/justice-department-releases-almost-entirely-redacted-fbi-memo-on-kushner-is-it-hiding-something/

America is now run by a fascist, lawless Exec branch, with full approval of the Repug pols.

America is fucked and unfuckable





mueller reported 13 other fbi ongoing investigations


once a new administration is sworn in next january

then those crimes can be prosecuted

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1225481249155928066?s=19
TSA

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1225481249155928066?s=19
TSA

I reached out to djohn2oo8 for a comment but he’s gone into hiding again

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282024&page=42

[Chris]

I reached out to djohn2oo8 for a comment but he’s gone into hiding again

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282024&page=42

poor fella has been hiding in the MLB forum :lol

[TSA]

:rollin poor fella reduced to discussing baseball

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1225598881561489408?s=19

called that shit

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1225598881561489408?s=19

called that shitYou called that Trump lies all the time?

Cool.:tu

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1225598881561489408?s=19

called that shit
nowhere in the video does he say meuller's team "tried to get rid of" president trump, so the use of those quotation marks are completely crap.

nowhere does he say they tried to ensnare him in any way. he just said trump lies all the time and that trump refused to testify under oath.

[ElNono]

nowhere in the video does he say meuller's team "tried to get rid of" president trump, so the use of those quotation marks are completely crap.

nowhere does he say they tried to ensnare him in any way. he just said trump lies all the time and that trump refused to testify under oath.

You actually watched the video...

[Spurs Homer]

Clinton lying under oath = perjury = impeachable

Trump lying under oath = perjury trap

got it!

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1225628798714044416?s=19

#Obamagate

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1225628798714044416?s=19

#ObamagateNothingburger

Why did you spread fake news earlier about that quote?

[boutons_deux]

Mike Flynn may be confronted with testimony from his ex-attorneys as he tries to withdraw guilty plea:

prosecutors handling the federal case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/09/politics/michael-flynn-sentencing-defense-lawyers/index.html) filed paperwork with the judge in his case

to use the testimony of his former attorneys against him to counter his bid to withdraw his guilty plea.

The report states,

“The court filing from prosecutors on Sunday could bring a new and consequential twist in the Flynn case,

aligning the Justice Department and a major force in DC’s legal establishment against President Donald Trump’s first national security adviser,” before adding,

“The filings even hint that DOJ would be willing to charge Flynn with perjury, or

to take Flynn to trial if the judge allowed him to change his plea to not guilty (https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/read-michael-flynn-guilty-plea/index.html).”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/mike-flynn-may-be-confronted-with-testimony-from-his-ex-attorneys-as-he-tries-to-withdraw-guilty-plea-cnn/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/mike-flynn-may-be-confronted-with-testimony-from-his-ex-attorneys-as-he-tries-to-withdraw-guilty-plea-cnn/)

So WTF is Barr?

[boutons_deux]

y'all rightwingnutjobs' hero Pootin and holder of Trash's balls

is attacking,slandering America

in Pootin's Long Game of degrading USA in the eyes of the world (with plenty of help from his puppet Trash)

Coronavirus Update: Russia Blames USA For NCov 2019 Outbreak



Fake news from Russia alleges the Wuhan coronavirus is a biological warfare weapon developed by the U.S.
The coronavirus was allegedly unleashed in an effort to cripple China's economy
The other aim is to develop an antidote for this weapon


https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-russia-blames-usa-ncov-2019-outbreak-2916034 (https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-update-russia-blames-usa-ncov-2019-outbreak-2916034)

[boutons_deux]

‘Our task was to set Americans against their own government’:

New details emerge about Russia’s trolling operation


organization with the independent Russian news outlet Dozhd.

The secretive factory had several components, including a “Russian desk,” a “foreign desk,” a “Facebook desk,” and a “Department of Provocations,” according to the former troll, who went by the name “Maxim.”

The Russian desk operated bots and trolls that used fake social-media accounts to flood the internet with pro-Trump messages and made-up news.

The foreign desk was more sophisticated, with trolls required to learn the nuances of American politics to best “rock the boat” on divisive issues.

“Our task was to set Americans against their own government,” Maxim said, “to provoke unrest and discontent.”

revealed details about how an infamous Russian “troll farm” operated and its role in Russia’s disinformation campaign shed new light on Russia’s interference in the 2016 US presidential race.

the Internet Research Agency, a well-researched Russian company (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html?_r=0) in St. Petersburg whose function is to spread pro-Russian propaganda and sow political discord in nations perceived as hostile to Russia.

https://www.businessinsider.nl/former-troll-russia-disinformation-campaign-trump-2017-10/?international=maybe

set Americans against their own government :lol

Repugs have been doing that for 45 years, so compromised, traitorous Repugs SUPPORT/INVITE the Russian cyberarmy.

St Ronnie the Diseased, Useful Idiot speaking oligarchy words: "Govt isn't the solution. Govt is the problem"

[TSA]

Justice Dept: Mueller prepared no reports to Congress

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's prosecutors never drafted a report to Congress about alleged misconduct by President Donald Trump, Justice Department lawyers indicated in a court filing Friday.

DOJ attorneys said they were unable to locate any records in Mueller's files that were responsive to a Freedom of Information Act request seeking reports and compilations "prepared for the eventual consideration of one or more members of Congress, whether or not such records were actually transmitted to any party outside of the Special Counsel’s Office."

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/07/justice-department-mueller-112388?__twitter_impression=true

:lmao RandomGuy

[boutons_deux]

This is Barr propaganda, slandering Mueller

Mueller's report went to the AG, not to Congress.

The report was heavily redacted, and Barr has blocked all attempts by Congress to see evidence on which the report was written

[Spurs Homer]

Justice Dept: Mueller prepared no reports to Congress

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's prosecutors never drafted a report to Congress about alleged misconduct by President Donald Trump, Justice Department lawyers indicated in a court filing Friday.

DOJ attorneys said they were unable to locate any records in Mueller's files that were responsive to a Freedom of Information Act request seeking reports and compilations "prepared for the eventual consideration of one or more members of Congress, whether or not such records were actually transmitted to any party outside of the Special Counsel’s Office."

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/07/justice-department-mueller-112388?__twitter_impression=true

:lmao RandomGuy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1813)

Mueller's mandate had nothing to do with doing the work of congress -

or providing them with a special report -



the ENTIRE MUELLER REPORT -UNREDACTED -

was supposed to just be delivered to Congress - the way it had been done in the past -

but BARR intercepted it and the COVER UP continues -

[RandomGuy]

Justice Dept: Mueller prepared no reports to Congress

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's prosecutors never drafted a report to Congress about alleged misconduct by President Donald Trump, Justice Department lawyers indicated in a court filing Friday.

DOJ attorneys said they were unable to locate any records in Mueller's files that were responsive to a Freedom of Information Act request seeking reports and compilations "prepared for the eventual consideration of one or more members of Congress, whether or not such records were actually transmitted to any party outside of the Special Counsel’s Office."

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/07/justice-department-mueller-112388?__twitter_impression=true

:lmao RandomGuy

... and this is important why?

[Thread]

Justice Dept: Mueller prepared no reports to Congress

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's prosecutors never drafted a report to Congress about alleged misconduct by President Donald Trump, Justice Department lawyers indicated in a court filing Friday.

DOJ attorneys said they were unable to locate any records in Mueller's files that were responsive to a Freedom of Information Act request seeking reports and compilations "prepared for the eventual consideration of one or more members of Congress, whether or not such records were actually transmitted to any party outside of the Special Counsel’s Office."

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/02/07/justice-department-mueller-112388?__twitter_impression=true

:lmao RandomGuy (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1813)

Tell it, TSA. Testify!!!

[boutons_deux]

Prosecutors Recommend Seven To Nine Year Prison Sentence For Roger Stone

for lying to Congress and witness tampering during the Russia probe.

“Roger Stone

obstructed Congress’ investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election,

lied under oath, and

tampered with a witness,”

“And when his crimes were revealed by the indictment in this case,

he displayed contempt for this Court and the rule of law.

For that, he should be punished in accord with the advisory Guidelines.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/prosecutors-stone-prison-sentence-recommendation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

is the notorious RatFucker for decades, a Repug of course, finally getting fucked?

[Spurs Homer]

Prosecutors Recommend Seven To Nine Year Prison Sentence For Roger Stone

for lying to Congress and witness tampering during the Russia probe.

“Roger Stone

obstructed Congress’ investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election,

lied under oath, and

tampered with a witness,”

“And when his crimes were revealed by the indictment in this case,

he displayed contempt for this Court and the rule of law.

For that, he should be punished in accord with the advisory Guidelines.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/prosecutors-stone-prison-sentence-recommendation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29

is the notorious RatFucker for decades, a Repug of course, finally getting fucked?





Nope


Criminal Bill Barr just stepped in and reversed the recommendation- calling it unfair - after dear leader complained on twitter


Corrupt DOJ now calling for a much smaller sentence


Dictatorship confirmed.

[Spurs Homer]

Corrupt DOJ contradicting-


ITS OWN DOJ PROSECUTORS

thanks CULTISTS!

cue- spiking the football for criminality!

[TSA]

Corrupt DOJ contradicting-


ITS OWN DOJ PROSECUTORS

thanks CULTISTS!

cue- spiking the football for criminality!

You’ve got it backwards, it’s corrupt prosecutors from Mueller’s team lying to the DOJ.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1227286163939000320

[ChumpDumper]

You’ve got it backwards, it’s corrupt prosecutors from Mueller’s team lying to the DOJ.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1227286163939000320:wow so shocked he wouldn't go on the record!

It's Barr or one of his cronies talking on background, rube.:lol

Next you're going to say Mueller's team is being rounded up and sent to GITMO #qanon #pizzagate #ritualabuse #babybloodbreakfast

[spurraider21]

remember noon tomorrow. boom

[TSA]

remember noon tomorrow. boom

https://mobile.twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227021733988687873

Do you think it was excessive?

[Spurs Homer]

Anything russia and trumps traitors do is ok with comrade TSA


anything.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227350203658797057

[TSA]

Mueller team dropping like flies :lol

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227323959022100480

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227336944973160449

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227347465772425217

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227350203658797057:lmao Our recommendation is whatever you want but not what we wanted.

:lol rube

[spurraider21]

Mueller team dropping like flies :lol

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227323959022100480

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227336944973160449

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227347465772425217
why do you think these people are leaving, TSA?

[ChumpDumper]

Because they're about to be arrested, of course. #greatawakening

[Splits]

why do you think these people are leaving, TSA?

Just read the responses to TechnoFog's tweets, the most liked after an hour or so will be TSAs reasoning.

[TSA]

why do you think these people are leaving, TSA?

I don't know but I'm sure they'll be picked up by CNN or MSNBC and I'll get to hear why.

Do you think their recommendation was excessive, spurraider21?

[ChumpDumper]

1227291261658435584

:lol now it's just "anything less than what we said before, please."

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know but I'm sure they'll be picked up by CNN or MSNBC and I'll get to hear why.It's because this is an obvious shitshow, rube.

[boutons_deux]

Mueller team dropping like flies :lol

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227323959022100480

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227336944973160449

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227347465772425217

of course. People, even lawyers, of ANY self-respect would not want to work for Trash's corrupt, politicized, criminal operations.

Has NOTHING to with Mueller and your HATE for Mueller for daring to find Trash's crimes of obstruction.

[Spurs Homer]

3 fucking years too late

patriots starting to surface


if i was inside the DOJ or fbi or had any thing to do with these investigations


i would have leaked the entire unredacted mueller report

leaked the 13 fbi investigations into trumps fuckery

leaked barrs memos, calls, texts etc


where the fuck are the patriots that need to do their duty and stop this traitor from completing his russian orders?

[spurraider21]

I don't know but I'm sure they'll be picked up by CNN or MSNBC and I'll get to hear why.

Do you think their recommendation was excessive, spurraider21?
i dont know tbh, i havent paid much attention to the stone case

[TSA]

i dont know tbh, i havent paid much attention to the stone case

take a deeper look if interested

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1227361241594769408

#4

[spurraider21]

why do you think these people resigned, TSA?

[ChumpDumper]

Manifestly unjust according to Techn:lol F:lolg!

[TSA]

why do you think these people resigned, TSA?

Already answered.

Was Stone’s recommended sentence excessive compared to what felony liar leaker Wolfe got?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1227347179137835009

[spurraider21]

Already answered.

Was Stone’s recommended sentence excessive compared to what felony liar leaker Wolfe got?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1227347179137835009
that's not answering my question at all

do you think they're resigning out of fear? shame?

[ChumpDumper]

Already answered.

Was Stone’s recommended sentence excessive compared to what felony liar leaker Wolfe got?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1227347179137835009The prosecution recommended two years for Wolfe after he pleaded guilty to one charge, rube.

Stone was found guilty on seven counts after a trial.

[TSA]

that's not answering my question at all

do you think they're resigning out of fear? shame?

If they did in fact brief DOJ completely different than what they actually recommended then they planned this for the media narrative that is currently playing out now. The Mueller boys are still butthurt and looking for media gigs just like Weissman landed.

You didn’t answer my question at all.

Was Stone’s recommended sentence excessive compared to what felony liar leaker Wolfe got?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1227347179137835009

[spurraider21]

If they did in fact brief DOJ completely different than what they actually recommended then they planned this for the media narrative that is currently playing out now. The Mueller boys are still butthurt and looking for media gigs just like Weissman landed.

You didn’t answer my question at all.

Was Stone’s recommended sentence excessive compared to what felony liar leaker Wolfe got?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1227347179137835009
i told you im not that familiar with this case so i don't know.

so your story is they are resigning because they just want media gigs and are done being lawyers?

[ChumpDumper]

If they did in fact brief DOJ completely different than what they actually recommended then they planned this for the media narrative that is currently playing out now. The Mueller boys are still butthurt and looking for media gigs just like Weissman landed.

You didn’t answer my question at all.

Was Stone’s recommended sentence excessive compared to what felony liar leaker Wolfe got?

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1227347179137835009Compare the charges, rube.

Wolfe: one felony count of lying to investigators (pleaded guilty)

Stone: five felony counts of lying to investigators, one count of obstructing a congressional probe and one count of witness tampering (trial verdict)

You're seriously trying to say they're the same thing.:lmao

[TSA]

i told you im not that familiar with this case so i don't know.

so your story is they are resigning because they just want media gigs and are done being lawyers?

I said I think they are resigning to create the media narrative currently being pushed. If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with?

[DMC]

just checking in to see how many days in jail he's has spent so far.

[TSA]

just checking in to see how many days in jail he's has spent so far.

Prosecution said they were okay with probation so just waiting for judge to sentence. “major trouble probation” :lol

[TSA]

I said I think they are resigning to create the media narrative currently being pushed. If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with?

https://mobile.twitter.com/awprokop/status/1227380662925221890

This news makes things all the more interesting.

[ChumpDumper]

Prosecution said they were okay with probation so just waiting for judge to sentence. “major trouble probation” :lol:lol Rube trying to minimize the National Security Adviser of the US's being convicted of a felony.

[spurraider21]

I said I think they are resigning to create the media narrative currently being pushed. If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with?
imagine quitting your job just for the purpose of pushing a media narrative

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/awprokop/status/1227380662925221890

This news makes things all the more interesting.:lol no way in hell they want people questioned about this under oath

[boutons_deux]

:lol no way in hell they want people questioned about this under oath

yep, Trash blocking a Stone prosecutor from career advancement to protect his corrupt ass

[TSA]

imagine quitting your job just for the purpose of pushing a media narrative

You didn’t answer my question at all, and only 1 of 4 quit their job.

If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with?

[Winehole23]

Should the law be the president's plaything?

1227352806992072704

[spurraider21]

You didn’t answer my question at all, and only 1 of 4 quit their job.

If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with?
that would explain them getting fired.

[TSA]

that would explain them getting fired.

None of them got fired.

You didn’t answer my question at all, and only 1 of 4 quit their job.

If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with? Why lie in the briefing and then go and recommend an excessive amount of time while most likely expecting/wanting a rebuke from DOJ if not to get this in the media to push a narrative?

[spurraider21]

None of them got fired.

You didn’t answer my question at all, and only 1 of 4 quit their job.

If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with? Why lie in the briefing and then go and recommend an excessive amount of time while most likely expecting/wanting a rebuke from DOJ if not to get this in the media to push a narrative?
i dno. it would be pretty weird to lie to my boss at the risk of getting disciplined/fired just for a media narrative

[TSA]

i dno. it would be pretty weird to lie to my boss at the risk of getting disciplined/fired just for a media narrative

What reasons can you think of to lie to DOJ in briefing and turn around opposite your brief and recommend an excessive amount of time?

[Spurs Homer]

Should the law be the president's plaything?

1227352806992072704

We all know - if his lips are moving - he is fucking lying -

but we REALLY know he is lying when he denies doing something...

and then follows that with: "if I wanted to - I have the right to..."

meaning -

in a few days or weeks - we will see the actual proof/memo/email/text/ny times article -

that yes indeed - he did it and the call or email was exposed...

fucking lying piece of shit criminal cock-sucker traitor

[spurraider21]

What reasons can you think of to lie to DOJ in briefing and turn around opposite your brief and recommend an excessive amount of time?
cant think of any, considering the DOJ is going to see the recommendation. not like they can sneak that by

[TSA]

cant think of any, considering the DOJ is going to see the recommendation. not like they can sneak that by

Why do you think these people lied to DOJ? Why do you think these people resigned?

[spurraider21]

Why do you think these people lied to DOJ? Why do you think these people resigned?
i think there's probably more to the story than "they lied to the DOJ knowing that they were going to make a different recommendation (which the DOJ can overrule anyway) just as part of their grand plan to withdraw from the case and/or resign

we'll probably learn more

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1227384722084503554?s=19

:lol

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/drawandstrike/status/1227384722084503554?s=19

:lol

Nobody does [wet work] like 45.

[TSA]

i think there's probably more to the story than "they lied to the DOJ knowing that they were going to make a different recommendation (which the DOJ can overrule anyway) just as part of their grand plan to withdraw from the case and/or resign

we'll probably learn moreWe’ll learn more for sure.

I just learned some more, Jesse Lui, who’s nomination was just pulled by Trump, was the prosecutor who dropped all charges against James Wolfe for leaking the Page FISA and only charged him with one count of lying to FBI.

[Chris]

Nobody does [wet work] like 45.

nobody

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227423392078409728?s=19

[DMC]

There's a whole lot of jostling for power in DC. It's amazing how nervous and dishonest everyone appears to be when their lifestyles are threatened.

[Mitch]

Nobody does [wet work] like 45.

Nixon must be smiling down on him, cub. Trump is 1 vs 100 in a game of dodgeball and so far he's winning.

[pgardn]

Its cool when an individual wins.

And the country is as divided as maybe since the late 60s.
USA
Usa...

[Trainwreck2100]

Nixon must be smiling down on him, cub. Trump is 1 vs 100 in a game of dodgeball and so far he's winning.
not a chance nixon is smiling up at him. No doubt he's pissed that trump is getting away with the corruption it when he couldn't.

[Chris]

Its cool when an individual wins.

And the country is as divided as maybe since the late 60s.
USA
Usa...

Link?

[ElNono]

You didn’t answer my question at all, and only 1 of 4 quit their job.

If they did in fact lie to DOJ in their brief about what they were going to recommend what other motive/outcome can you come up with?

Well, if they lied, that's grounds for dismissal, they don't need to quit, they would be let go. I would suspect quitting means there's a disagreement with their superiors.

Clearly, 18 USC 1001(a) calls for:
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both....

that's for each offense. He was found guilty on how many offenses?

[ElNono]

Should the law be the president's plaything?

1227352806992072704

Truly grotesque...

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227423392078409728?s=19

There was nothing illegal about the Mueller probe, and he knows that. Do you, Qhris?

[pgardn]

Link?

it’s an opinion on a message board.
so you think the country is united behind trump?

[Spurs Homer]

Judge berman has a big decision to make...

will she stand up for the country?
for the patriot prosecutors who made a stand against the traitors (barr/trump)?

or

will she just allow barr and trump to continue this assault on the rule of law?

[Thread]

Judge berman has a big decision to make...

will she stand up for the country?
for the patriot prosecutors who made a stand against the traitors (barr/trump)?

or

will she just allow barr and trump to continue this assault on the rule of law?

She won't side the President, Homer...won't be surprised if she doesn't give Stone the original 7-9.

[DMC]

Should the law be the president's plaything?

1227352806992072704

Yes

[DMC]

Truly grotesque...

Thats misrepresented. That's not what he said at all. He said he had a right to speak to them. He didn't say he has a right to tell them what to do at least not in that clip

[DMC]

Its cool when an individual wins.

And the country is as divided as maybe since the late 60s.
USA
Usa...

Well that's pretty stupid. Obviously a lot of people voted for Trump and they're supporting him and there's a reason the country is divided. How can you say that is an individual win if half of the fucking country is behind the guy? I'm sorry your woman didn't win but maybe run a decent candidate. I mean look what a monkey fucking a greased football exhibition you got going on now.

[ChumpDumper]

Should the law be the president's plaything?

1227352806992072704:lmao "abberition"

You rubes worship an idiot.

[ElNono]

Thats misrepresented. That's not what he said at all. He said he had a right to speak to them. He didn't say he has a right to tell them what to do at least not in that clip

Sorry, but this is banana republic stuff... Even if he has the right to talk to them, is it appropriate? Stone is intimately connected to him. He's been found guilty of all charges (IIRC).

Plus the prez knows that push comes to shove, he has the power of pardon. The whole thing is a grotesque spectacle.

[Chris]

it’s an opinion on a message board.
so you think the country is united behind trump?

lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SaraCarterDC/status/1227517700135505920?s=19

[pgardn]

Well that's pretty stupid. Obviously a lot of people voted for Trump and they're supporting him and there's a reason the country is divided. How can you say that is an individual win if half of the fucking country is behind the guy? I'm sorry your woman didn't win but maybe run a decent candidate. I mean look what a monkey fucking a greased football exhibition you got going on now.

My girl...
A lot of people voted for him... Brilliant stuff.

A lot of people voted for the coronated queen. Wow.

I have not been keeping up with the blue team primaries, but they must be going well for you as you have grown giant green monkey balls spurting out such dorkistry. This has absolutely nothing to do with my statement. But you go girl.

[pgardn]

lol

yes

very good.

[Spurs Homer]

Thats misrepresented. That's not what he said at all. He said he had a right to speak to them. He didn't say he has a right to tell them what to do at least not in that clip


lol

Defending
Muh
Criminal

24/7

[Winehole23]

YesWhy?

I'm old enough to remember when an ex-president talking to an AG on a tarmac was considered prima facie evidence of corruption.

I can also remember when it was considered scandalous for the FBI to take up oppo research as a basis of investigation -- now, oppo research from Giuliani gets stovepiped to the highest decision maker at DOJ.

[Winehole23]

Sorry, but this is banana republic stuff... Even if he has the right to talk to them, is it appropriate? Stone is intimately connected to him. He's been found guilty of all charges (IIRC).

Plus the prez knows that push comes to shove, he has the power of pardon. The whole thing is a grotesque spectacle.Firing witnesses and directing prosecution of investigators and adversaries.

Like one does now.

[Spurs Homer]

Why?

I'm old enough to remember when an ex-president talking to an AG on a tarmac was considered prima facie evidence of corruption.

I can also remember when it was considered scandalous for the FBI to take up oppo research as a basis of investigation -- now, oppo research from Giuliani gets stovepiped to the highest decision maker at DOJ.

Starting to see the truth about our criminal in chief - I see - whine-hole!

[DarrinS]

Why?

I'm old enough to remember when an ex-president talking to an AG on a tarmac was considered prima facie evidence of corruption.

I can also remember when it was considered scandalous for the FBI to take up oppo research as a basis of investigation -- now, oppo research from Giuliani gets stovepiped to the highest decision maker at DOJ.


Yep. Desperately need dirt on uncle Joe, who has run for president three times and never placed higher than 4th place in any caucus or primary. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Starting to see the truth about our criminal in chief - I see - whine-hole!
My take hasn't varied since 2016. DJT is robustly corrupt.

[Winehole23]

Yep. Desperately need dirt on uncle Joe, who has run for president three times and never placed higher than 4th place in any caucus or primary. :lmaoYou'll laugh again when Trump sics Barr on his other political enemies.

[TSA]

Why?

I'm old enough to remember when an ex-president talking to an AG on a tarmac was considered prima facie evidence of corruption.

I can also remember when it was considered scandalous for the FBI to take up oppo research as a basis of investigation -- now, oppo research from Giuliani gets stovepiped to the highest decision maker at DOJ.

The scandalous part wasn’t the FBI looking at the oppo research, the scandalous part was when the FBI learned the oppo research was bunk and then lied about that knowledge to the FISA court multiple times in order to obtain a FISA warrant on Page.

:lol terrible attempt at whataboutism

[Spurs Homer]

My take hasn't varied since 2016. DJT is robustly corrupt.

Well maybe -

but I hope you dont deny this -

at least NOW - you aren't actively defending him and lashing out at people like me who labeled him a criminal and a traitor on Day 1.

At least now - you are recognizing the criminality and corruption - WITHOUT - feeling the NEED to equivocate/defend/whatabout - or any other such nonsense.

You did offer many arguments in defense of this criminal and I called you out on it - hope you can admit it -

or not -

just holding you to the fire lol.

[Spurs Homer]

The scandalous part wasn’t the FBI looking at the oppo research, the scandalous part was when the FBI learned the oppo research was bunk and then lied about that knowledge to the FISA court multiple times in order to obtain a FISA warrant on Page.

:lol terrible attempt at whataboutism

This FISA thing you are spiking the football on - is tenuous-at best.

We will have to go to the next - LEGIT presidential administration - one who sets up a non-partisan task force and root out all this corruption about FISA's and the BOGUS investigations "of the investigators"

before we know just how much fuckery Barr directed.

Every other criminal in this mafia white house was prosecuted and all of them were in the loop about russia and lied to investigators, hid emails, refused to testify, etc...

but (clutches pearls) PAGE!!!! PAGE FISA!!!! DUE PROCESS!!!


gmafb

criminals all around -

all guilty - all liars - all corrupt - from the traitor in chief to the AG to the SCOTUS -

ALL involved in corruption -


but but - PAGE FISA!!!!

fucking imbecile

the truth will be uncovered when a LEGIT Presidential administration takes over and investigates fully.

[DarrinS]

Homer unhinged per usual. :lol

[Spurs Homer]

Trump unhinged per usual. :lol


fify

[TSA]

This FISA thing you are spiking the football on - is tenuous-at best.

We will have to go to the next - LEGIT presidential administration - one who sets up a non-partisan task force and root out all this corruption about FISA's and the BOGUS investigations "of the investigators"

before we know just how much fuckery Barr directed.

Every other criminal in this mafia white house was prosecuted and all of them were in the loop about russia and lied to investigators, hid emails, refused to testify, etc...

but (clutches pearls) PAGE!!!! PAGE FISA!!!! DUE PROCESS!!!


gmafb

criminals all around -

all guilty - all liars - all corrupt - from the traitor in chief to the AG to the SCOTUS -

ALL involved in corruption -


but but - PAGE FISA!!!!

fucking imbecile

the truth will be uncovered when a LEGIT Presidential administration takes over and investigates fully.

Are you claiming the Obama appointed Inspector General who uncovered the FISA abuse was part of a partisan task force?

[Spurs Homer]

Are you claiming the Obama appointed Inspector General who uncovered the FISA abuse was part of a partisan task force?

Im saying the truth:

Barr took over and conducted nothing but a defense of trump and his russia treason - you can take it anyt way you want -

but we will not know the truth for a long time - until Barr and Trump are rooted out.

The Mueller report = cover up to this day.
Kavanaugh - sham 10 day limited FBI non-investigation.
Trumps crimes/corruption/conspiracies - aided and abetted by Barr.
Impeachment circus - GOP bribed/coerced/co-opted by $$$$ from somewhere - we will find out eventually.


Investigate the investigators?

gmafb - that is pure fucking nonsense - which Russia educated trump and barr on -

Russia knows exactly how you attack once you are under investigation for crimes/corruption and they trained trump well.

[TSA]

Im saying the truth:

Barr took over and conducted nothing but a defense of trump and his russia treason - you can take it anyt way you want -

but we will not know the truth for a long time - until Barr and Trump are rooted out.

The Mueller report = cover up to this day.
Kavanaugh - sham 10 day limited FBI non-investigation.
Trumps crimes/corruption/conspiracies - aided and abetted by Barr.
Impeachment circus - GOP bribed/coerced/co-opted by $$$$ from somewhere - we will find out eventually.


Investigate the investigators?

gmafb - that is pure fucking nonsense - which Russia educated trump and barr on -

Russia knows exactly how you attack once you are under investigation for crimes/corruption and they trained trump well.

You're just dodging the question at this point.

Are you claiming the Obama appointed Inspector General who uncovered the FISA abuse was part of a partisan task force?

[Spurs Homer]

You're just dodging the question at this point.

Are you claiming the Obama appointed Inspector General who uncovered the FISA abuse was part of a partisan task force?

GFY

I told you -

we wont know the truth - until another DOJ is in place. Another executive administration.

Then we can see how Barr

influenced Mueller
influenced the IG'S
influenced FBI investigations
influenced the SDNY investigations into trumps crimes...

etc...

we don't know what this "obama appointed" bullshit did or did not do - of his own free will and what he was "influenced" to do.

If your boss orders you to do something and talk to "no one" about it -

you should resign - if the orders are murky or illegal or political -

but only patriots do this - others cower and "play ball" -

so we wont know until they are rooted out - and the entire chapter is investigated.

[spurraider21]

Yep. Desperately need dirt on uncle Joe, who has run for president three times and never placed higher than 4th place in any caucus or primary. :lmao
:lmao and you thought he had the best chance of winning

[TSA]

GFY

I told you -

we wont know the truth - until another DOJ is in place. Another executive administration.

Then we can see how Barr

influenced Mueller
influenced the IG'S
influenced FBI investigations
influenced the SDNY investigations into trumps crimes...

etc...

we don't know what this "obama appointed" bullshit did or did not do - of his own free will and what he was "influenced" to do.

If your boss orders you to do something and talk to "no one" about it -

you should resign - if the orders are murky or illegal or political -

but only patriots do this - others cower and "play ball" -

so we wont know until they are rooted out - and the entire chapter is investigated.

Are you saying the evidence the Obama appointed Inspector General presented in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI was doctored/falsified evidence?

[RandomGuy]

Are you saying the evidence the Obama appointed Inspector General presented in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI was doctored/falsified evidence?

Are you saying that we didn't land on the moon?

[RandomGuy]

Im saying the truth:

Barr took over and conducted nothing but a defense of trump and his russia treason - you can take it anyt way you want -

but we will not know the truth for a long time - until Barr and Trump are rooted out.

The Mueller report = cover up to this day.
Kavanaugh - sham 10 day limited FBI non-investigation.
Trumps crimes/corruption/conspiracies - aided and abetted by Barr.
Impeachment circus - GOP bribed/coerced/co-opted by $$$$ from somewhere - we will find out eventually.


Investigate the investigators?

gmafb - that is pure fucking nonsense - which Russia educated trump and barr on -

Russia knows exactly how you attack once you are under investigation for crimes/corruption and they trained trump well.

He is simply baiting you man.

I have made the same observation you made here.

At some point, all the things they are trying to hide will come out. All the lies, all the criminal obstruction of justice and who knows what else, will be laid bare.

This administration is so massively corrupt and stupid, they will not be able to cover it all up. There is too much, and they won't realize how compromised they are until the FBI serves the search warrant.

[Spurs Homer]

He is simply baiting you man.

I have made the same observation you made here.

At some point, all the things they are trying to hide will come out. All the lies, all the criminal obstruction of justice and who knows what else, will be laid bare.

This administration is so massively corrupt and stupid, they will not be able to cover it all up. There is too much, and they won't realize how compromised they are until the FBI serves the search warrant.

yup - pretty much -

I learned long ago - he is basically trolling everyone here -

there is absolutely no way ANYONE is that stupid and brainwashed -

but he has a guaranteed trolling opportunity with this criminal traitor -


probably just having fun DEFENDING CRIMES - which any normal person would be against.

[TSA]

yup - pretty much -

I learned long ago - he is basically trolling everyone here -

there is absolutely no way ANYONE is that stupid and brainwashed -

but he has a guaranteed trolling opportunity with this criminal traitor -


probably just having fun DEFENDING CRIMES - which any normal person would be against.

Asking you to defend and explain your claims isn't baiting you. You're still dodging the questions.

The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

[TSA]

He is simply baiting you man.

I have made the same observation you made here.

At some point, all the things they are trying to hide will come out. All the lies, all the criminal obstruction of justice and who knows what else, will be laid bare.

This administration is so massively corrupt and stupid, they will not be able to cover it all up. There is too much, and they won't realize how compromised they are until the FBI serves the search warrant.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General present evidence in his report that proved the FBI lied to the FISA court in order to obtain and warrant on Carter Page? Yes or no.

[Spurs Homer]

Asking you to defend and explain your claims isn't baiting you. You're still dodging the questions.

The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

3rd time answering you - but it doesn't fit your troll game:

We will know when this chapter is investigated in the future.

We will see if -

everyone was guilty and a traitor - and Page happened to be lucky to get away with his russian treason

or

everyone was guilty and Page just happened to be the ONLY one that was unfairly investigated.

Either way - NOTHING to be spiking the football about - because in each scenario - trump and his crew are still traitors -

with or without Page conspiring or not.

[spurraider21]

Asking you to defend and explain your claims isn't baiting you. You're still dodging the questions.

The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.
why dont you have spurs homer on ignore? honest question

[TSA]

3rd time answering you - but it doesn't fit your troll game:

We will know when this chapter is investigated in the future.

We will see if -

everyone was guilty and a traitor - and Page happened to be lucky to get away with his russian treason

or

everyone was guilty and Page just happened to be the ONLY one that was unfairly investigated.

Either way - NOTHING to be spiking the football about - because in each scenario - trump and his crew are still traitors -

with or without Page conspiring or not.

You're still not answering the questions, and now on top of throwing the Obama appointed Inspector General Horowitz under the boss just tossed Mueller and his report under the bus :rollin

Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

[Spurs Homer]

You're still not answering the questions, and now on top of throwing the Obama appointed Inspector General Horowitz under the boss just tossed Mueller and his report under the bus :rollin

Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

Do you believe Page is a victim - yes or no?

oh and


GFY

[TSA]

Do you believe Page is a victim - yes or no?

oh and


GFY

Yes. Page was the victim of the most intrusive surveillance our government does and it was done against him illegally.

Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

[TSA]

why dont you have spurs homer on ignore? honest question

I don't even have boutons on ignore.

[spurraider21]

I don't even have boutons on ignore.
eye torture

[Spurs Homer]

Yes. Page was the victim of the most intrusive surveillance our government does and it was done against him illegally.

Simple yes or no answers, stop being a pussy.

The Obama appointed Inspector General presented evidence in his report that proved there was FISA abuse by the FBI. Are you claiming that is not true? Yes or no.

Did the Obama appointed Inspector General produce doctored/falsified evidence in his report to frame the FBI? Yes or no.

wrong

the same IG dude concluded that the investigation was predicated on legal means-

so your “investigated illegally” premise is destroyed already

4th or 5th time answering you:

we will not know if the investigation ordered by Barr was truly legitimate until this chapter is closed and an independent panel uncovers everything that Trump and Barr ordered done

we will not know until it is taken apart piece by piece


THAT is the answer - right NOW - no one knows what kind of fuckery Barr orchestrated

ask the same ANSWERED question again-

you will be ignored.

[TSA]

Too much of a pussy to answer a simple yes or no lol.


wrong

the same IG dude concluded that the investigation was predicated on legal means-

so your “investigated illegally” premise is destroyed already

No, I'm right. We aren't discussing the entire investigation, we are discussing the FISA warrant obtained on Page. The warrant against Page was obtained illegally with fraudulent documents and exculpatory evidence hidden from the court.


4th or 5th time answering you:

we will not know if the investigation ordered by Barr was truly legitimate until this chapter is closed and an independent panel uncovers everything that Trump and Barr ordered done

we will not know until it is taken apart piece by piece


THAT is the answer - right NOW - no one knows what kind of fuckery Barr orchestrated

ask the same ANSWERED question again-

you will be ignored.You didn't answer shit.

The Inspectors General office is independent you stupid fuck :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

Yep. Desperately need dirt on uncle Joe, who has run for president three times and never placed higher than 4th place in any caucus or primary. :lmao
1227589622538084353

:lmao rube

[Chris]

yes

very good.

lol

[TSA]

Well, if they lied, that's grounds for dismissal, they don't need to quit, they would be let go. I would suspect quitting means there's a disagreement with their superiors.

Clearly, 18 USC 1001(a) calls for:
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both....

that's for each offense. He was found guilty on how many offenses?

I’m a federal criminal defense attorney. This range shocked me as unduly high given the non-violent nature of the underlying crimes. To provide some perspective, a multitude of violent crimes come with lower guidelines calculations. For example, if you use a gun during a crime of violence or drug trafficking, the guidelines range is 60 months; if you brandish a gun during the same, the guidelines range is 84 months.
How the Government Got to Nine Years

In Stone’s case, the government’s calculation relies on several guidelines enhancements. Generally speaking, certain conduct can increase the offense level guidelines calculation. Here, the base offense level is 14, but with all of the enhancements the government argued for, it jumped to 29.

One enhancement the government recommended jumped out. The government argued that an eight-point enhancement is warranted because Stone’s obstruction of justice “involved causing or threatening to cause physical injury to a person, or property damage.” The government pointed to two particular comments by Stone to a witness: “Prepare to die, c-cksucker” and him threatening to “take that dog away from you.”

Standing alone, it’s not clear these rise to the level of a “violent threat” as required by the enhancement. In fact, I would argue that this is not a case where “reasonable minds” can disagree. This enhancement is a stretch. Particularly significant is that the individual who was the recipient of these “threats” testified at trial that he did not seriously believe Stone would follow through on his so-called threats.

When I did a quick search of D.C. Circuit cases applying this enhancement, I couldn’t find anything. That’s not to say it would never apply, but the infrequency which with the enhancement seems to be used is somewhat telling.
A Big Jump On a Weak Foundation

The guidelines contain commentary by its drafters. The commentary is meant to further explain the provisions. Here, the guidelines commentary to this enhancement notes that it should “reflect the more serious form of obstruction.” This likely explains why the enhancement is reserved for the more serious, palpable threats.

In its submission to the court, the government relies on cases outside its jurisdiction in support of the enhancement, but in none of those cases did the witness testify that he did not take the so-called threats seriously. What’s significant is that this eight-point enhancement increased the guidelines range from 37 to 46 months to 87 to 108 months. That’s a significant jump for a not so solid enhancement.

While it’s absolutely true that it’s standard practice for the federal government to recommend a guidelines sentence, this begs the question: What’s the appropriate guidelines calculation? As one Twitter user noted, “The Guidelines don’t calculate themselves.”

Stone’s lawyers objected to each of the enhancements the government proposed. On the eight-level enhancement discussed above, Stone’s lawyers cite numerous cases demonstrating why the enhancement should not apply here, and even quote from a letter to the court by the witness of the so-called threats, wherein he denies that he felt threatened and that he “chalked up [Stone’s] bellicose tirades to ‘Stone being Stone’ All bark no bite!”

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/12/why-a-nine-year-prison-sentence-for-roger-stone-is-insane/

[Spurs Homer]

Lol

stone threatened the judge in his own fucking case

prosecutors were spot on in their submission

they are patriots for resigning to show the corruption from trump/barr

/thread

[Chris]

patriot prosecutors :lol

[TSA]

/thread

/thread :lol no...this thread will be forever bumped as a reminder to you and all the other stupid fucks that believed the Russiagate hoax

[TSA]

speaking of stupid fucks where is OP djohn2oo8?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao TSA lashing out all over the place because of the QAnon threads

[Winehole23]

:lmao TSA lashing out all over the place because of the QAnon threads
What happened in the QAnon threads?

[Winehole23]

The scandalous part wasn’t the FBI looking at the oppo research, the scandalous part was when the FBI learned the oppo research was bunk and then lied about that knowledge to the FISA court multiple times in order to obtain a FISA warrant on Page.

:lol terrible attempt at whataboutismLot of assumptions there to unpack, your "characterization" of the facts lacks credibility imho.





(Go ahead, beat your chest in public some more...)

[boutons_deux]

Russiagate HOAX?

Why haver Trash and his mafiya "forgotten", lied, obstructed for 3+ years everything about Russia?

Why are Trash/Barr hiding the EVIDENCE on which the Mueller report was based?

Why did Jared want an extra-governmental crypto channel to Pootin? (I bet he eventually, actually got one, to take instructions from Pootin)

Why did Trash in Helsinki say USA's 17 govt agencies were WRONG, and he believed his puppetmaster Pootin?

[Spurs Homer]

Russiagate HOAX?

Why haver Trash and his mafiya "forgotten", lied, obstructed for 3+ years everything about Russia?

Why are Trash/Barr hiding the EVIDENCE on which the Mueller report was based?

Why did Jared want an extra-governmental crypto channel to Pootin? (I bet he eventually, actually got one, to take instructions from Pootin)

Why did Trash in Helsinki say USA's 17 govt agencies were WRONG, and he believed his puppetmaster Pootin?



because we called it long ago

and only traitors call trumps treason

a “hoax”

[Chris]

patriot prosecutors :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1227809401781858304?s=19

Weird.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1227809401781858304?s=19

Weird.Looks like Stone had shitty representation.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1227809401781858304?s=19

Weird.
its the attorneys' job to strike jurors

[ElNono]

I’m a federal criminal defense attorney. This range shocked me as unduly high given the non-violent nature of the underlying crimes. To provide some perspective, a multitude of violent crimes come with lower guidelines calculations. For example, if you use a gun during a crime of violence or drug trafficking, the guidelines range is 60 months; if you brandish a gun during the same, the guidelines range is 84 months.
How the Government Got to Nine Years

In Stone’s case, the government’s calculation relies on several guidelines enhancements. Generally speaking, certain conduct can increase the offense level guidelines calculation. Here, the base offense level is 14, but with all of the enhancements the government argued for, it jumped to 29.

One enhancement the government recommended jumped out. The government argued that an eight-point enhancement is warranted because Stone’s obstruction of justice “involved causing or threatening to cause physical injury to a person, or property damage.” The government pointed to two particular comments by Stone to a witness: “Prepare to die, c-cksucker” and him threatening to “take that dog away from you.”

Standing alone, it’s not clear these rise to the level of a “violent threat” as required by the enhancement. In fact, I would argue that this is not a case where “reasonable minds” can disagree. This enhancement is a stretch. Particularly significant is that the individual who was the recipient of these “threats” testified at trial that he did not seriously believe Stone would follow through on his so-called threats.

When I did a quick search of D.C. Circuit cases applying this enhancement, I couldn’t find anything. That’s not to say it would never apply, but the infrequency which with the enhancement seems to be used is somewhat telling.
A Big Jump On a Weak Foundation

The guidelines contain commentary by its drafters. The commentary is meant to further explain the provisions. Here, the guidelines commentary to this enhancement notes that it should “reflect the more serious form of obstruction.” This likely explains why the enhancement is reserved for the more serious, palpable threats.

In its submission to the court, the government relies on cases outside its jurisdiction in support of the enhancement, but in none of those cases did the witness testify that he did not take the so-called threats seriously. What’s significant is that this eight-point enhancement increased the guidelines range from 37 to 46 months to 87 to 108 months. That’s a significant jump for a not so solid enhancement.

While it’s absolutely true that it’s standard practice for the federal government to recommend a guidelines sentence, this begs the question: What’s the appropriate guidelines calculation? As one Twitter user noted, “The Guidelines don’t calculate themselves.”

Stone’s lawyers objected to each of the enhancements the government proposed. On the eight-level enhancement discussed above, Stone’s lawyers cite numerous cases demonstrating why the enhancement should not apply here, and even quote from a letter to the court by the witness of the so-called threats, wherein he denies that he felt threatened and that he “chalked up [Stone’s] bellicose tirades to ‘Stone being Stone’ All bark no bite!”

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/12/why-a-nine-year-prison-sentence-for-roger-stone-is-insane/

Really? “Prepare to die, c-cksucker” doesn't “rise to the level of a violent threat”? Even if the recipient didn't think he would follow through, it doesn't stop being one.

This is the problem with commentary like this, you need total suspension of reality to argue that point. Plus the prosecution job *is* to throw the book at him, because the judge eventually is the one that decides.

And, btw, you can see that he's very much agreeing that the prosecution simply stuck to the federal sentencing guidelines, because that's what prosecutors do. There wasn't anything weird about what the prosecution requested.

[ElNono]

its the attorneys' job to strike jurors

yeah, I guess Stone had shitty lawyers