Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[ChumpDumper]

I’m not antivax but the misleading stats thrown out by the Gov and media need to stop.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jhaskinscabrera/status/1418207613330673674
But you're going with stats thrown out by governments and social media.

[RandomGuy]

You know I'm not racist fam. It was just a heads up :bobo

"I"m not racist, but..."

:lol No one believes you, sophist.

[RandomGuy]

i dont think its racist to point that out tbh...

its true that black/hispanic communities tend to be more socially conservative than they get credit for (religious, anti-LGBT compared to white liberals). some vaccine hesitancy wouldnt shock me either. somali immigrants in minnesota were refusing measles vaccines and saw an outbreak there

before COVID's politicization, i never saw anti-vaxxers as having a particular political bend, seemed to be on the fringes of both parties. while the politicization of COVID has now re-drawn those lines, vaccine hesitant people otherwise on the left are still going to be vaccine hesitant

Yup. It used to be sprinkled evenly on both sides.

At this point, the fascist never-ending culture war driven by their propaganda machines never ending quest for ratings/eyeballs/clicks on the outrage du jour has made hesitancy part of the group identity.

It dovetails well with the anti-expert/science streak already there. All it took was a little push.

Hopefully COVID kills a lot of them. We are better off without them at this point.

[RandomGuy]

Why?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdf

"Our main finding is that mask mandates and use are not associated with lower SARS-CoV-2 spread
230 among US states"

Didn't really do the kind of work/analysis to really get at whether masks are inherently effective.

Mandates do not appear to be.

[TSA]

"Our main finding is that mask mandates and use are not associated with lower SARS-CoV-2 spread
230 among US states"

Didn't really do the kind of work/analysis to really get at whether masks are inherently effective.

Mandates do not appear to be.FIFY

[DarrinS]

Yup. It used to be sprinkled evenly on both sides.

At this point, the fascist never-ending culture war driven by their propaganda machines never ending quest for ratings/eyeballs/clicks on the outrage du jour has made hesitancy part of the group identity.

It dovetails well with the anti-expert/science streak already there. All it took was a little push.

Hopefully COVID kills a lot of them. We are better off without them at this point.


^Broken spirit and overall garbage person

[DarrinS]

NGL this is a surprisingly racist response. I thought we were better than that

You see racism everywhere, just like RandomGay sees fascism everywhere.

[Adam Lambert]

You see racism everywhere, just like RandomGay sees fascism everywhere.

Haha "gay"

[boutons_deux]

Ron DeSantis Rejects Mask Mandates for Kids:

'We're Not Doing That in Florida'

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-rejects-mask-mandates-kids-were-not-doing-that-florida-1612272

Just like Trash, politics overrules science and public health.

All Repug Politics, All The Time (people die)

[DarrinS]

Haha "gay"

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=27316&dateline=1313765490

[boutons_deux]

NYtimes email --



when House Republican leaders gathered Thursday for a news conference ostensibly to urge Americans to get vaccinated (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/newsletter/9PGaMKa49k-J_N-8RP-YGw~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRi3H6fP0TqaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubnl0aW1lcy5jb20vMjAyMS 8wNy8yMi91cy9wb2xpdGljcy9yZXB1YmxpY2FuLXZhY2NpbmUt cHVzaC5odG1sP2NhbXBhaWduX2lkPTE1NCZlbWM9ZWRpdF9jYl 8yMDIxMDcyMiZpbnN0YW5jZV9pZD0zNTk5NyZubD1jb3JvbmF2 aXJ1cy1icmllZmluZyZyZWdpX2lkPTgwODIxNzk3JnNlZ21lbn RfaWQ9NjQxNjkmdGU9MSZ1c2VyX2lkPTk5MmQ2MDgyMTRiNTA1 MDAzYWEwNGJmMTBhNTk1MDMxVwNueXRCCmD4n_n5YEn3SlxSE2 Rhcm5vY25lbEBnbWFpbC5jb21YBAAAAAA~), they

only grudgingly signaled mixed support for vaccinations after being pressed by reporters.





“If you are at risk, you should be getting this vaccine,” said Representative Andy Harris of Maryland, a physician,:lol

adding,

“We urge all Americans to talk to their doctors about the risks of Covid, :lol

talk to their doctors about the benefits of getting vaccinated, :lol

and then come to a decision that’s right for them.” :lol





Representative Greg Murphy, Republican of North Carolina, :lol

said,

“This vaccine is a medicine, and just like with any other medicines, there are side effects :lol

and this is a personal decision.” :lol





Repugs with their homicidal guidance, continuing Trash's homicidal mismanagement last year

[spurraider21]

You see racism everywhere, just like RandomGay sees fascism everywhere.
dno about everywhere. mostly just in trumpistas

[Trill Clinton]

You see racism everywhere, just like RandomGay sees fascism everywhere.

Where else do I see racism?

It was just very random that the response to my post was that black people aren't getting vaccinated.

[boutons_deux]

Hospitalized right-wing radio host in ‘very serious condition’

regrets not being ‘vehemently pro-vaccine’

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzA0MzE3Ny9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY4ODEzODY1Mn0.r6uj8Jqfz x1oX-nfhZANHBoE-BrP9Wt4PgSXMId6_Cs/image.jpg?width=1200&height=675

Phil Valentine

treated for "Covid pneumonia" in the critical care unit

Valentine had "been critical of the vaccine, voicing his concerns over safety."

Days after announcing he had contracted coronavirus, he was still skeptical of the safety of vaccines. :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/radio-phil-valentine-hospitalized

"safety of vaccines" is the orchestrated homicidal tactic of the Repugs, rightwing hate media, etc

[Blake]

[SIZE=2]Hospitalized right-wing radio host in ‘very serious condition’

regrets not being ‘vehemently pro-vaccine’



The regrets of every piece of shit anti vaxxer on a hospital ventilator.

[Dirks_Finale]

Hospitalized right-wing radio host in ‘very serious condition’

regrets not being ‘vehemently pro-vaccine’

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzA0MzE3Ny9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY4ODEzODY1Mn0.r6uj8Jqfz x1oX-nfhZANHBoE-BrP9Wt4PgSXMId6_Cs/image.jpg?width=1200&height=675

Phil Valentine

treated for "Covid pneumonia" in the critical care unit

Valentine had "been critical of the vaccine, voicing his concerns over safety."

Days after announcing he had contracted coronavirus, he was still skeptical of the safety of vaccines. :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/radio-phil-valentine-hospitalized

"safety of vaccines" is the orchestrated homicidal tactic of the Repugs, rightwing hate media, etc




So is hard-lefter Jimmy Dore who got vaccinated in April and still has joint pain, etc from it.

[Will Hunting]

So is hard-lefter Jimmy Dore who got vaccinated in April and still has joint pain, etc from it.
:lmao taking anything Jimmy Dork says seriously

[Will Hunting]

Anti-vaxxer shit has always been a horseshoe theory thing that far leftists and far right conservatives equally believed in so the fact Dore is an anti-vaxxer isn’t much of a surprise, the distinction is that the GOP has gotten so fucking crazy and stupid that meanstream conservatives are now anti-vaxxers when it used to just be a fringe thing.

[Dirks_Finale]

:lmao taking anything Jimmy Dork says seriously

Is there a history of him lying about stuff that I am not aware of?

He was recently called out by the fake honest brokers over at TYT and their me-too movement and admitted to what happened in full detail. Seems pretty genuine when he takes a break from his comedic routine.

[ElNono]

You better check that napkin again. :lol

Oops, you're right. 7 / 679,813 * 100 = 0.001%

Better now?

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/NewsGuyGreg/status/1417911400589058049?s=19

:tu

Wouldn't have expected that from DeSantis, so really good to see.

[pgardn]

Newsflash.

The Vaccines have WORKED EXTRAORDINARILY WELL.
And with the amount of time given to figure it out, incredible.

Its fkn people without brains that dont work well.
We have people who fkn smoke who are antivaxxers...? fkn idiots.

[Ef-man]

Well guess which three states accounted for 40% of new covid cases?


"This week, just three states Florida, Texas and Missouri, three states with lower vaccination rates accounted for 40 percent of all cases nationwide," Zients said at a White House news conference. "For the second week in a row, one in five of all cases occurring in Florida alone. And within communities, these cases are primarily among unvaccinated people."


https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

[Thread]

Well guess which three states accounted for 40% of new covid cases?


"This week, just three states Florida, Texas and Missouri, three states with lower vaccination rates accounted for 40 percent of all cases nationwide," Zients said at a White House news conference. "For the second week in a row, one in five of all cases occurring in Florida alone. And within communities, these cases are primarily among unvaccinated people."


https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html

California has the most deaths at 65k+...and that Newsom character has had it locked down since day 1, cept for the beachcombers & Hollywood. tee, hee.

[Thread]

Newsflash.

The Vaccines have WORKED EXTRAORDINARILY WELL.
And with the amount of time given to figure it out, incredible.

Its fkn people without brains that dont work well.
We have people who fkn smoke who are antivaxxers...? fkn idiots.

Perhaps mother fucker Biden had 'em cased day 1 when he called 75+ million of us "chumps."

Mother fucker Biden now has 227k of dead Americans on his side the COVID-19 Death Ledger in 6-SIX-6 months.
Don't it float, peeg?

[Ef-man]

But I see the light, I have changed my ways, sounds like joey.

'I'm sorry, but it's too late' - unvaccinated patients beg for shot; new infections nearly triple in two weeks: COVID news

An Alabama physician glumly says she is making "a lot of progress" in encouraging people to vaccinate – as she struggles to keep them alive.

Dr. Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, wrote in a recent Facebook post she is treating a lot of young, otherwise healthy people for serious coronavirus infections.

"One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine," she wrote. "I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i-m-sorry-but-it-s-too-late-unvaccinated-patients-beg-for-shot-new-infections-nearly-triple-in-two-weeks-covid-news/ar-AAMo3NS?ocid=msedgntp

[Adam Lambert]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/image.php?u=27316&dateline=1313765490

That's funny cuz he's gay too

[Winehole23]

Well guess which three states accounted for 40% of new covid cases?


"This week, just three states Florida, Texas and Missouri, three states with lower vaccination rates accounted for 40 percent of all cases nationwide," Zients said at a White House news conference. "For the second week in a row, one in five of all cases occurring in Florida alone. And within communities, these cases are primarily among unvaccinated people."


https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.htmlCalifornia ain't looking so hot right now either.

[Ef-man]

California ain't looking so hot right now either.

Shows you that MAGAtards are everywhere, like he who is an incel.

[Winehole23]

Alabama GOV Kay Ivey lashes out.

1418409503578632195 (https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1418409503578632195?s=20)

[Winehole23]

Hannity's radio audience is about three times larger than his audience on FOX

1418372269945073664

[Winehole23]

buckle up, rural Texas ICUs are already maxing out

1418298373266939906

[pgardn]

Perhaps mother fucker Biden had 'em cased day 1 when he called 75+ million of us "chumps."

Mother fucker Biden now has 227k of dead Americans on his side the COVID-19 Death Ledger in 6-SIX-6 months.
Don't it float, peeg?

Your orange balloon plaything thought it would be fun to try the no mask, no vaxx thing. He has a hold of people, you would know.

So ONE president’s behavior and public messaging is now history.
You own the disease and the blind self destructive ignorance.
Congrats.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1418409503578632195?s=20

https://media4.giphy.com/media/IgYHnGwwDHPVwXMakx/200w.webp?cid=ecf05e47se96h70r0ttjmw5knvvk93w350j5 b6p3b22usd6a&rid=200w.webp&ct=g

[boutons_deux]

How can management of senior care facilities NOT mandate vaccination for their staff? W T F

“Don’t You Work With Old People?”:

Many Elder-Care Workers Still Refuse to Get COVID-19 Vaccine

Amid a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,”

more than 40% of the nation’s nursing home and long-term health care workers have yet to receive vaccinations.

https://www.propublica.org/article/dont-you-work-with-old-people-many-elder-care-workers-still-refuse-to-get-covid-19-vaccine

W T F F

[Winehole23]

The pandemic is economically very destructive. About one month after opening up to global tourism, Europe faces renewed travel resrtrictions.


Travel restrictions are quickly multiplying. France and Germany are already cautioning their citizens against travelling to Spain and Portugal. Today (Friday July 23) Germany is expected to place (https://www.ultimahora.es/noticias/local/2021/07/23/1286441/turismo-baleares-alemania-exigira-doble-vacuna-que-viajen-islas.html) Spain on its list of high-risk countries, together with the Netherlands. That would mean that only double-jabbed travellers will be able to visit the countries without having to quarantine on their return to Germany and could be hugely damaging to tourism businesses in Mallorca, where Germans represent 40% of overseas visitors.


Spain’s tourism industry is already warning of a fresh wave of cancellations. The recent surge in new Covid-19 cases in Catalonia is taking its toll on tourist rentals, as more and more people get cold feet (https://www.elperiodico.com/es/economia/20210721/contagios-covid-cancelaciones-pisos-turisticos-reservas-11927482). The situation is likely to get even worse in coming days after the European Union recommended against travelling to Catalonia earlier this week. Europe’s biggest tour operator TUI has also announced (https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/tui-latest-flights-holidays-cancelled-5683928) plans to cancel holidays to hotspots including Bulgaria, Craotia, Italy, Spain and Turkey as uncertainty remains over international travel during the pandemic.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/07/quelle-surprise-covid-cases-surge-in-europes-tourism-hot-spots-just-one-month-after-grand-reopening.html

[Winehole23]

bad vibes felt at NPR


The current COVID-19 surge in the U.S. — fueled by the highly contagious delta variant — will steadily accelerate through the summer and fall, peaking in mid-October, with daily deaths more than triple what they are now.


That’s according to new projections released Wednesday from the COVID-19 Scenario Modeling Hub, a consortium of researchers working in consultation with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to help the agency track the course of the pandemic…


“What’s going on in the country with the virus is matching our most pessimistic scenarios,” says Justin Lessler, an epidemiologist at the University of North Carolina who helps run the modeling hub. “We might be seeing synergistic effects of people becoming less cautious in addition to the impacts of the delta variant.


In the most likely scenario, Lessler says, the U.S. reaches only 70% vaccination among eligible Americans, and the delta variant is 60% more transmissible.


In that scenario, at the peak in mid-October, there would be around 60,000 cases and around 850 deaths each day, Lessler says.


Each scenario also includes a range of how bad things could get — the very worst end of the range for the most likely scenario shows about 240,0000 people getting infected and 4,000 people dying each day at the October peak, which would be almost as bad as last winter…


But overall, the main projection shows a steady slope upwards to the peak in October, and then a steady slope back down…


At that point, “herd immunity starts kicking in a little more aggressively and we start to see things going down again.” By January 2022, the model shows deaths coming back down to around the current level of about 300 per day.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/22/1019475669/delta-variant-will-drive-a-steep-rise-in-covid-deaths-model-shows

[hater]

:lmao still talking about herd immunity :lmao

Even after UK claimed it and it was BS and alsl other places like Manaus where they "had.herd immunity".but then completely obliterated with a variant

[Winehole23]

According to current estimates, the Delta variant could be more than twice as transmissible as the original strain of SARS-CoV-2. To find out why, epidemiologist Jing Lu at the Guangdong Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Guangzhou, China, and his colleagues tracked 62 people who were quarantined after exposure to COVID-19 and who were some of the first people in mainland China to become infected with the Delta strain.


The team tested study participants’ ‘viral load’ — a measure of the density of viral particles in the body — every day throughout the course of infection to see how it changed over time. Researchers then compared participants’ infection patterns with those of 63 people who contracted the original SARS-CoV-2 strain in 2020.


In a preprint posted 12 July1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w#ref-CR1), the researchers report that virus was first detectable in people with the Delta variant four days after exposure,compared with an average of six days among people with the original strain, suggesting that Delta replicates much faster. Individuals infected with Delta also had viral loads up to 1,260 times higher than those in people infected with the original strain.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01986-w

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.07.21260122v1

[Winehole23]

:lmao still talking about herd immunity :lmao

Even after UK claimed it and it was BS and alsl other places like Manaus where they "had.herd immunity".but then completely obliterated with a variantit's important to distinguish between herd immunity as an epidemiological phenomenon and "herd immunity' enacted as political cant to soothe an endangered populace.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p843x403/223134595_10164837248846337_1142120335370629278_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ADHTKM3M1RMAX-PpKO0&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&oh=1f71eb966cb71425d5368ef895530427&oe=60FF70DA

[Winehole23]

Early returns from Israel seem to indicate protection from infection aganst the Delta variant wanes to about 16% four months after full vaccination (the Pfizer jab is the main vaccine used in Israel.)

So far mRNA vaccines still protect robustly against hospitalization and death.

1418260295550742528

[Winehole23]

viruses do not respect international boundaries. so long as any country is vulnerable to runaway infection, we all are. without international cooperation regarding vaccination, it's doubtful COVID can be beaten in any country.

1417861406213369860

[Thread]

Your orange balloon plaything thought it would be fun to try the no mask, no vaxx thing. He has a hold of people, you would know.

So ONE president’s behavior and public messaging is now history.
You own the disease and the blind self destructive ignorance.
Congrats.

Yes, I got my 400k of dead Americans.
You, your mother fucker Biden has 227k of dead Americans. & I'm still totin' up ciphers every-single-day.

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

OSHA (to Biden): all workers need to mask up

Biden: No.

(Public health and workplace safety take the back seat to normality theater once again under Biden. COVID could wreck his presidency too.)




https://news.bloomberglaw.com/safety/osha-covid-19-rule-intended-to-cover-all-workers-draft-shows

[spurraider21]

1418179020412362755

[TSA]

OSHA (to Biden): all workers need to mask up

Biden: No.

(Public health and workplace safety take the back seat to normality theater once again under Biden. COVID could wreck his presidency too.)




https://news.bloomberglaw.com/safety/osha-covid-19-rule-intended-to-cover-all-workers-draft-shows

Biden is following the science.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdf

[Winehole23]

Biden is following the science.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdfThe science doesn't speak with a single voice on this.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

[Winehole23]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776536
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.16.21258817v1.
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

etc..


lol "the science"

[spurraider21]

Biden is following the science.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdf
I am i understanding correctly that this has not been peer reviewed?

[TSA]

The science doesn't speak with a single voice on this.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

"Models suggest that public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high (39). We recommend that mask use requirements are implemented by governments, or, when governments do not, by organizations that provide public-facing services. Such mandates must be accompanied by measures to ensure access to masks, possibly including distribution and rationing mechanisms so that they do not become discriminatory. Given the value of the source control principle, especially for presymptomatic people, it is not sufficient for only employees to wear masks; customers must wear masks as well."

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1416107851022430208

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1417540047054663682

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1417519388622614537

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1417220740806414340

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1416485018562535424

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1415798407528992776

https://mobile.twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1416382528664096770

[boutons_deux]

everybody to wear masks until Delta dies down after culling evangelicals, Qanons, TSAs, shitkickers, dirt scratchers, bubbas, yahoos, Macho Men, Trash fellators, etc

the pulmonary viral load of Delta is 1000x that of the original, airborne transmission

[Winehole23]

it's still more or less simple-minded to post a handful of links and tweets and call it "the science."

[Winehole23]

even the non-peer-reviewed article TSA posted used hedging language like "our evidence suggests/does not suggest."

but for TSA, that single, non-peer-reviewed study -- despite the existence of numerous conflicting studies -- is "the science," and should be the basis of US COVID policy.

[DarrinS]

everybody to wear masks until Delta dies down after culling evangelicals, Qanons, TSAs, shitkickers, dirt scratchers, bubbas, yahoos, Macho Men, Trash fellators, etc

the pulmonary viral load of Delta is 1000x that of the original, airborne transmission


No one is stopping you

[Winehole23]

long COVID can result from mild infections

1418539574737920000

[boutons_deux]

Conroe TX ISD to allow students who test positive into classes

[Winehole23]

1418179020412362755to be fair, the Biden Administration is leading the charge to reopen schools and recently told us to throw our masks away if we were vaccinated.

[spurraider21]

to be fair, the Biden Administration is leading the charge to reopen schools and recently told us to throw our masks away if we were vaccinated.
far cry from Cruz's claim and underlying implication

[TSA]

it's still more or less simple-minded to post a handful of links and tweets and call it "the science."

I didn't call those tweets "the science". Those were direct rebuttals on mask compliance to the "science" you posted.

"Only one observational study has directly analyzed the impact of mask use in the community on COVID-19 transmission. The study looked at the reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Beijing households by face mask use (10). It found that face masks were 79% effective in preventing transmission, if they were used by all household members prior to symptoms occurring. The study did not look at the relative risk of different types of mask.

In a systematic review sponsored by the World Health Organization, Chu et al. (11) looked at physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They found that “face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection.” However, the review included only three studies of mask use outside health care settings, all of which were of SARS, not of SARS-CoV-2, one of which was incorrectly categorized (it occurred in a hospital, but during family and friend visits), and one of which found that none of the households wearing masks had any infections, but was too underpowered to draw any conclusions (12). The remaining study found the use of masks was strongly protective, with a risk reduction of 70% for those that always wore a mask when going out (13), but it did not look at the impact of masks on transmission from the wearer. It is not known to what degree analysis of other coronaviruses can be applied to SARS-CoV-2. None of the studies looked at the relative risks of different types of mask.

There has been one controlled trial of mask use for influenza control in the general community (14). The study looked at Australian households, was not done during a pandemic, and was done without any enforcement of compliance. It found that “in an adjusted analysis of compliant subjects, masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness.” However, the authors noted that they “found compliance to be low, but compliance is affected by perception of risk. In a pandemic, we would expect compliance to improve.” In compliant users, masks were highly effective at reducing transmission.

Overall, evidence from RCTs and observational studies is informative, but not compelling on its own. Both the Australian influenza RCT and the Beijing households observational trial found around 80% efficacy among compliant subjects, and the one SARS household study of sufficient power found 70% efficacy for protecting the wearer. However, we do not know whether the results from influenza or SARS will correspond to results for SARS-CoV-2, and the single observational study of SARS-CoV-2 might not be replicated in other communities. None of the studies looked specifically at cloth masks."

:lol

[Winehole23]

far cry from Cruz's claim and underlying implicationI agree with that more or less.

Interest in COVID didn't dissipate instantly like Cruz and DMC predicted, but the Biden Administration's COVID policy has propaganda/politicized dimensions. The CDC telling vaccinated people to throw away their masks looks hasty and/or politically motivated.

[Winehole23]

Austin declared stage 4 COVID restrictions today


“These alarming numbers place us officially in stage 4 on our risk-based chart, less than a week after moving to stage 3,” Walkes said. “We are asking Austinites and community members in Travis County to take action. This is a call to action.”

Under stage 4, health officials recommend vaccinated people wear masks:



At private indoor and outdoor gatherings
While traveling
While dining and shopping

They recommend unvaccinated people:


Avoid private indoor and outdoor gatherings
Travel only if it's essential (with masks)
Dine and shop only if it’s essential (with masks)

As of now, Travis County has a seven-day average of 148 new COVID-19 cases per day. It's a dramatic increase from the start of July, when that number was 34.
That spike has also been reflected in hospitalizations. About 35 people in the five-county region on average are being hospitalized with COVID per day. It was 8 per day at the start of the month.
https://www.kut.org/covid-19/2021-07-23/watch-live-austin-public-health-gives-covid-19-update-likely-to-announce-stage-4-guidelines

[spurraider21]

I agree with that more or less.

Interest in COVID didn't dissipate instantly like Cruz and DMC predicted, but the Biden Administration's COVID policy has propaganda/politicized dimensions. The CDC telling vaccinated people to throw away their masks looks hasty and/or politically motivated.
agreed. thought it was premature at the time given the actual vaccination rate

the most brazen part of that was the obvious that unvaxxed people were going to stop wearing masks, too, since everyone just goes by the honor code

[TSA]

I agree with that more or less.

Interest in COVID didn't dissipate instantly like Cruz and DMC predicted, but the Biden Administration's COVID policy has propaganda/politicized dimensions. The CDC telling vaccinated people to throw away their masks looks hasty and/or politically motivated.

:lol CDC bad now

Did it ever cross your mind that after a year and a half of gathering data on mask use in countries with significantly higher mask compliance (90%+) and seeing no benefit that the CDC is realizing masks are pretty pointless?

[spurraider21]

:lol CDC bad now

Did it ever cross your mind that after a year and a half of gathering data on mask use in countries with significantly higher mask compliance (90%+) and seeing no benefit that the CDC is realizing masks are pretty pointless?
are you still on the HCQ hype train or have you moved off of that one? just curious

[boutons_deux]

another fucking slave state killing itself and visitors for 'freedumb'

hokey Branson mayor’s ‘reckless idiocy’ helped turn Missouri into a COVID-19 superspreader hotspot

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzA0NDQ4Ny9vcmlnaW4 ucG5nIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3ODkwODA3MX0.YN53zcvT_ kU9HbBVObkJ_eQApgBP5SNj5prdmrNuQlE/image.png?width=1200&height=675

Branson currently has a

COVID infection rate of 19.3 percent, and

the number of daily new cases there is 10 times the national average.

The local hospital's ICU unit is at 99 percent capacity, and experts say the current outbreak has not reached its peak.

But Mayor Larry Milton, who was elected in April, has continued to rail against masks and vaccines, and hosted a gathering of 27,000 for the Fourth of July.

"First, let me state clearly and for the record: I will not support another government mask mandate, nor will I support a vaccine mandate,"

"I didn't talk about freedom and liberty :lol

during my campaign for Mayor simply as a way to get elected. "

https://www.rawstory.com/superspreader

Freedumb as suicide

[boutons_deux]

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[TSA]

are you still on the HCQ hype train or have you moved off of that one? just curious

I'm not currently on any hype train. Vaccines are working well so that's good to see. I'm currently waiting to see which vaccine proves most effective over time before I decide on getting one. Full FDA approval of one would be convincing enough for me to get one and that doesn't seem far off. There is a chance I already had Covid back in Jan 2020. Had to go to the doctor after being really sick for days and needed fluids through an IV and was given Z-pak. Haven't had an antibody test yet so no clue if it was Covid or not. If it wasn't Covid then I've gone a great job avoiding it by just washing my hands, not touching my face, and avoiding indoor crowds of people I don't know. I wish I'd have just had it already to get the benefits of natural immunity but I've continued to be cautious with my wife pregnant with our second.

[TSA]

agreed. thought it was premature at the time given the actual vaccination rate

the most brazen part of that was the obvious that unvaxxed people were going to stop wearing masks, too, since everyone just goes by the honor code

You still on the mask hype train? Just curious.

[Winehole23]

:lol CDC bad now

Did it ever cross your mind that after a year and a half of gathering data on mask use in countries with significantly higher mask compliance (90%+) and seeing no benefit that the CDC is realizing masks are pretty pointless?I never was a CDC dittohead and I don't see things your way.

That doesn't necessarily make you right or me wrong.

[spurraider21]

I'm not currently on any hype train. Vaccines are working well so that's good to see. I'm currently waiting to see which vaccine proves most effective over time before I decide on getting one. Full FDA approval of one would be convincing enough for me to get one and that doesn't seem far off. There is a chance I already had Covid back in Jan 2020. Had to go to the doctor after being really sick for days and needed fluids through an IV and was given Z-pak. Haven't had an antibody test yet so no clue if it was Covid or not. If it wasn't Covid then I've gone a great job avoiding it by just washing my hands, not touching my face, and avoiding indoor crowds of people I don't know. I wish I'd have just had it already to get the benefits of natural immunity but I've continued to be cautious with my wife pregnant with our second.
but do you think HCQ is an effective treatment/cure for COVID-19?

you were pushing that quite a bit before


You still on the mask hype train? Just curious.
yeah, i still think masks do what they're intended to do. they are good short term options until we reach herd immunity, which vaccines are getting us closer and closer to

[TSA]

but do you think HCQ is an effective treatment/cure for COVID-19?

you were pushing that quite a bit beforeHaven't looked into it for quite some time...no clue.



yeah, i still think masks do what they're intended to do. they are good short term options until we reach herd immunity, which vaccines are getting us closer and closer to

How can you look at this data and believe masks are doing what they are intended to do?


https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1416107851022430208

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1417540047054663682

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1417519388622614537

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1417220740806414340

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1416485018562535424

https://mobile.twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1415798407528992776

[TSA]

I never was a CDC dittohead and I don't see things your way.

That doesn't necessarily make you right or me wrong.

How do you interpret the data I just reposted on masks?

[TSA]

I never was a CDC dittohead and I don't see things your way.

That doesn't necessarily make you right or me wrong.

How do you interpret the data I just reposted on masks?

[RandomGuy]

You still on the mask hype train? Just curious.

Cost/benefit analysis.

Some modest evidence that they lower transmission.

What is the giant cost you are looking to avoid?

What is the harm?

Define and quantify.

[Winehole23]

How do you interpret the data I just reposted on masks?You posted graphs, there's no data there, just data representations.

That said, I'd have to look a bit more closely at each study to evaluate, have you referred yourself to all the underlying studies, or are you just parroting someone else's take on them?

[Winehole23]

snap take: taking countries singly and not comparatively looks like a weakness

[TSA]

Cost/benefit analysis.

Some modest evidence that they lower transmission.

What is the giant cost you are looking to avoid?

What is the harm?

Define and quantify.

False sense of security. People who should be at home sick are out spreading it because they think they can't spread it with a mask on. People who think they are safe from getting it because of their mask are gathering in crowded indoor venues where it's known to spread much easier.

[TSA]

You posted graphs, there's no data there, just data representations.

That said, I'd have to look a bit more closely at each study to evaluate, have you referred yourself to all the underlying studies, or are you just parroting someone else's take on them?

I'm not sure what underlying studies you are referring to. They are just data points.

[Winehole23]

I'm not sure what underlying studies you are referring to. They are just data points.If that's the case, my snap take is that data points do not provide a strong enough correlation to generalize. Generalizing from isolated data points isn't scientific method, it's just inductive reasoning.

[Trainwreck2100]

viruses do not respect international boundaries. so long as any country is vulnerable to runaway infection, we all are. without international cooperation regarding vaccination, it's doubtful COVID can be beaten in any country.

1417861406213369860

that dumbass, delta came from India who had the opportunity to get vaccinated but punted for hubris and got fucked for it, they in turn fucked all of us

[Trainwreck2100]

viruses do not respect international boundaries. so long as any country is vulnerable to runaway infection, we all are. without international cooperation regarding vaccination, it's doubtful COVID can be beaten in any country.

1417861406213369860

that dumbass, delta came from India who had the opportunity to get vaccinated but punted for hubris and got fucked for it, they in turn fucked all of us

[Winehole23]

that dumbass, delta came from India who had the opportunity to get vaccinated but punted for hubris and got fucked for it, they in turn fucked all of usThe US (and other rich countries) are doing a piss poor job of sharing their vaccine hoard, she's right about that.

[Trainwreck2100]

we had our turn being the epicenter, too.

and when we were the epi we didnt fuck the world, my post was more her being :cry think of the poor countries :cry but us being where we are because one country with a bunch of poor people fucked us

[Blake]

So now TSA is a mask denier.

:lol

[Winehole23]

and when we were the epi we didnt fuck the worldHow do you figure?

[Winehole23]

How do you interpret the data I just reposted on masks?Your twitter rando is also propping up a bit of a strawman. It was never claimed that masking prevents COVID from spiking, just that it mitigates transmission.

About the latter, there seems to be little doubt from the studies I've read/posted here, but I also have little doubt you disagree, which frankly doesn't bother me.

[Adam Lambert]

but do you think HCQ is an effective treatment/cure for COVID-19?

you were pushing that quite a bit before


Haven't looked into it for quite some time...no clue.

Must've fallen off the Unpaid Donald Trump PR Team weekly talking points a while back.

https://i.imgur.com/ynBbsu7.png

[Adam Lambert]

So now TSA is a mask denier.

:lol

The MAGA Scientific Method:

1. Question
2. Hypothesis (determined by Donald Trump or Trump sycophants)
3. Prediction (always affirms #2)
4-5. Experimentation/Analysis (just find someone online that shares our position and sounds smarter than ducks)

[boutons_deux]

TSA is a perverted contrarian, flattering himself that he alone possesses the real take, nullifying all other inferior, wrong takes.

[boutons_deux]

They considered themselves an ‘anti-vax family’ – then they got COVID-19

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzA0NzkxNC9vcmlnaW4 ucG5nIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3OTcyNjQ5M30.tJlVggOF8 ayIHXZxl_r1P3LbbTG4h9s1Qe5lsTp01Vs/image.png?width=1200&height=675

falling ill around July 4, believing at first it was related to the sweltering heat wave but soon realizing it was much worse

"I lost my taste and smell, and that's when we realized we had COVID,"

Husband and father Patrick Johnson was hospitalized

on oxygen for a week and

lost 25 pounds, but

he feels lucky to be alive after having

pneumonia in both lungs,

acute kidney injury and

respiratory failure.

the whole family plans to get vaccinated after waiting the recommended three months after infection.

https://www.rawstory.com/washington-state

[TSA]

Your twitter rando is also propping up a bit of a strawman. It was never claimed that masking prevents COVID from spiking, just that it mitigates transmission.

About the latter, there seems to be little doubt from the studies I've read/posted here, but I also have little doubt you disagree, which frankly doesn't bother me.

From the first one you posted today :lol

"Only one observational study has directly analyzed the impact of mask use in the community on COVID-19 transmission. The study looked at the reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Beijing households by face mask use (10). It found that face masks were 79% effective in preventing transmission, if they were used by all household members prior to symptoms occurring. The study did not look at the relative risk of different types of mask.

In a systematic review sponsored by the World Health Organization, Chu et al. (11) looked at physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They found that “face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection.” However, the review included only three studies of mask use outside health care settings, all of which were of SARS, not of SARS-CoV-2, one of which was incorrectly categorized (it occurred in a hospital, but during family and friend visits), and one of which found that none of the households wearing masks had any infections, but was too underpowered to draw any conclusions (12). The remaining study found the use of masks was strongly protective, with a risk reduction of 70% for those that always wore a mask when going out (13), but it did not look at the impact of masks on transmission from the wearer. It is not known to what degree analysis of other coronaviruses can be applied to SARS-CoV-2. None of the studies looked at the relative risks of different types of mask.

There has been one controlled trial of mask use for influenza control in the general community (14). The study looked at Australian households, was not done during a pandemic, and was done without any enforcement of compliance. It found that “in an adjusted analysis of compliant subjects, masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness.” However, the authors noted that they “found compliance to be low, but compliance is affected by perception of risk. In a pandemic, we would expect compliance to improve.” In compliant users, masks were highly effective at reducing transmission.

Overall, evidence from RCTs and observational studies is informative, but not compelling on its own. Both the Australian influenza RCT and the Beijing households observational trial found around 80% efficacy among compliant subjects, and the one SARS household study of sufficient power found 70% efficacy for protecting the wearer. However, we do not know whether the results from influenza or SARS will correspond to results for SARS-CoV-2, and the single observational study of SARS-CoV-2 might not be replicated in other communities. None of the studies looked specifically at cloth masks."

[leemajors]

TSA is a perverted contrarian, flattering himself that he alone possesses the real take, nullifying all other inferior, wrong takes.

I think he will do whatever is safest for his wife and unborn child.

[Winehole23]

From the first one you posted today :lol

"Only one observational study has directly analyzed the impact of mask use in the community on COVID-19 transmission. The study looked at the reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in Beijing households by face mask use (10). It found that face masks were 79% effective in preventing transmission, if they were used by all household members prior to symptoms occurring. The study did not look at the relative risk of different types of mask.

In a systematic review sponsored by the World Health Organization, Chu et al. (11) looked at physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2. They found that “face mask use could result in a large reduction in risk of infection.” However, the review included only three studies of mask use outside health care settings, all of which were of SARS, not of SARS-CoV-2, one of which was incorrectly categorized (it occurred in a hospital, but during family and friend visits), and one of which found that none of the households wearing masks had any infections, but was too underpowered to draw any conclusions (12). The remaining study found the use of masks was strongly protective, with a risk reduction of 70% for those that always wore a mask when going out (13), but it did not look at the impact of masks on transmission from the wearer. It is not known to what degree analysis of other coronaviruses can be applied to SARS-CoV-2. None of the studies looked at the relative risks of different types of mask.

There has been one controlled trial of mask use for influenza control in the general community (14). The study looked at Australian households, was not done during a pandemic, and was done without any enforcement of compliance. It found that “in an adjusted analysis of compliant subjects, masks as a group had protective efficacy in excess of 80% against clinical influenza-like illness.” However, the authors noted that they “found compliance to be low, but compliance is affected by perception of risk. In a pandemic, we would expect compliance to improve.” In compliant users, masks were highly effective at reducing transmission.

Overall, evidence from RCTs and observational studies is informative, but not compelling on its own. Both the Australian influenza RCT and the Beijing households observational trial found around 80% efficacy among compliant subjects, and the one SARS household study of sufficient power found 70% efficacy for protecting the wearer. However, we do not know whether the results from influenza or SARS will correspond to results for SARS-CoV-2, and the single observational study of SARS-CoV-2 might not be replicated in other communities. None of the studies looked specifically at cloth masks."Yeah, it's not cut and dried. Science never is.

It's a process not a destination.

[Trainwreck2100]

How do you figure?

I'd the American variant floating around killing people? That's how i figure

[RandomGuy]

False sense of security. People who should be at home sick are out spreading it because they think they can't spread it with a mask on. People who think they are safe from getting it because of their mask are gathering in crowded indoor venues where it's known to spread much easier.

Reasonable arguments.

Not much on the quantification, but reasonable arguments.

Seems like arguments that are also in favor of limiting events and venue capacity.

[Winehole23]

I'd the American variant floating around killing people? That's how i figureThe Alpha variant?

Afiak it hasn't vanished yet, but any info you might have would be very welcome. I honestly don't know how many people Alpha is killing now.

[RandomGuy]

TSA is a perverted contrarian, flattering himself that he alone possesses the real take, nullifying all other inferior, wrong takes.

Pretty much.

xMabpBvtXr4

[TSA]

The MAGA Scientific Method:

1. Question
2. Hypothesis (determined by Donald Trump or Trump sycophants)
3. Prediction (always affirms #2)
4-5. Experimentation/Analysis (just find someone online that shares our position and sounds smarter than ducks)

6. Find and post study that examined the problems of the exact studies winehole linked and went further than previous studies and compared COVID-19 case growth rates in states with and without mandates along with effects of compliance.

[RandomGuy]

Yeah, it's not cut and dried. Science never is.

It's a process not a destination.

Agreed. The best evidence would be small scale, isolated studies where the variables can be controlled.

That is, of course what is in short supply. We have a lot of meta-analysis of masks and mandates, and that is mildly ok, if done right, but absolutely not conclusive as to the singular question about reduction for individuals.

[Winehole23]

6. Find and post study that examined the problems of the exact studies winehole linked and went further than previous studies and compared COVID-19 case growth rates in states with and without mandates along with effects of compliance....with inconclusive results represented as direct refutation

:lol

[TSA]

Reasonable arguments.

Not much on the quantification, but reasonable arguments.

Seems like arguments that are also in favor of limiting events and venue capacity.

Not mine but some more:

Prolonged mask use (>4 hours per day) promotes facial alkalinization and inadvertently 270
encourages dehydration, which in turn can enhance barrier breakdown and bacterial infection risk [33]. 271
British clinicians have reported masks to increase headaches and sweating and decrease cognitive 272
precision [34]. Survey bias notwithstanding, these sequelae are associated with medical errors [35]. By 273
obscuring nonverbal communication, masks interfere with social learning in children [36]. Likewise, 274
masks can distort verbal speech and remove visual cues to the detriment of individuals with hearing loss; 275
clear face-shields improve visual integration, but there is a corresponding loss of sound quality [37, 38].

[Trainwreck2100]

The Alpha variant?

Afiak it hasn't vanished yet, but any info you might have would be very welcome. I honestly don't know how many people Alpha is killing now.

Ah yes that famous american alpha variant from britain. Just so you know the spurs in spurstalk isnt for totenham i can see why youre confused. Dumbass

[TSA]

I think he will do whatever is safest for his wife and unborn child.

Wish the vaccine would have been available before she got pregnant but it is what it is. We've gone a year and a half without getting Covid and only need to get through the end of August before our child is born so it's looking good. With her choosing not to get vaccinated while pregnant we have definitely been more cautious and not rushed out to do things to put ourselves at risk with everything opening back up. Hasn't been too bad for me as I have the excuse to just golf with my son pretty much every weekday afternoon :lol

[Winehole23]

Ah yes that famous american alpha variant from britain. Just so you know the spurs in spurstalk isnt for totenham i can see why youre confused. DumbassWe incubated Alpha and spread it to the world too, but for some reason England gets all the blame.

Cool with me, but it doesn't make much sense.

[RandomGuy]

Not mine but some more:

Prolonged mask use (>4 hours per day) promotes facial alkalinization and inadvertently 270
encourages dehydration, which in turn can enhance barrier breakdown and bacterial infection risk [33]. 271
British clinicians have reported masks to increase headaches and sweating and decrease cognitive 272
precision [34]. Survey bias notwithstanding, these sequelae are associated with medical errors [35]. By 273
obscuring nonverbal communication, masks interfere with social learning in children [36]. Likewise, 274
masks can distort verbal speech and remove visual cues to the detriment of individuals with hearing loss; 275
clear face-shields improve visual integration, but there is a corresponding loss of sound quality [37, 38].

Not anything in terms of costs that really seems to merit concern for the average shopper at HEB.

[Winehole23]

All the big Texas cities lie in rapid riser counties, transmission appears be uncontrolled in many parts of the US South.



file:///C:/Users/PF0F7MTF/Downloads/Community_Profile_Report_20210722%20(1).pdf



https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-positivity-regions-13.png

[Winehole23]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-cases-top-ten-15.png

[Winehole23]

1418665118364311555

[koriwhat]

WGAF

[boutons_deux]

"40 percent of all new cases in the U.S. this week

have been from just three states:

Texas,

Florida,

and Missouri,"

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/COVID-19-hospitalizations-delta-Bexar-County-16335665.php

[boutons_deux]

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[koriwhat]

[FONT=arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000][B]"40 percent of all new cases in the U.S. this week

have been from just three states:
Texas,

Florida,

and Missouri,"

Hopefully your weirdo ass stays the fuck away from TX completely.

[koriwhat]

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/218239792_5351126381647039_2602839933803563454_n.p ng?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=H-sbTo-4IWsAX_ZadTz&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=a41236cdb10d11ca83b3c5fb19fe0315&oe=6120C310

Feel good memes with no real info to them. Amazing you got this far bouts... Drink the koolaid Jim Jones made for you and the others!

[boutons_deux]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-cases-top-ten-15.png

Last spring, FL gov ordered coroners to put no cause or pneumonia on death certs sent to the Feds, as did several others red/slave states that showed huge jumps in pneumonia but not covid.

[spurraider21]

Feel good memes with no real info to them. Amazing you got this far bouts... Drink the koolaid Jim Jones made for you and the others!
5 year old boy dying of covid is a feel good meme? maybe for the party of death

[koriwhat]

5 year old boy dying of covid is a feel good meme? maybe for the party of death

It's funny how some dumb shit pops into your head because you assume away like always... STFU crybaby and stop trying to create some sort of narrative dumbass.

[spurraider21]

It's funny how some dumb shit pops into your head because you assume away like always... STFU crybaby and stop trying to create some sort of narrative dumbass.
like your narrative of a 5 year old boy dying being a feel good meme? :lol talk about dumb shit popping into your head

[koriwhat]

like your narrative of a 5 year old boy dying being a feel good meme? :lol talk about dumb shit popping into your head

It's "feel good" because you dumbfucks prop it up as a "W" vs your fictitious enemies. Are you truly this dense bro?

DUMBFUCK LAWYER!

Now post sources, info, ect besides a dumb meme.

[DarrinS]

How would this five y.o. have been saved by a mask?

[Blake]

How would this five y.o. have been saved by a mask?

If the five year olds around had had them on, maybe.

[DarrinS]

If the five year olds around had had them on, maybe.

What if the kid was infected at home?

[Blake]

What if the kid was infected at home?

What if this kid took the covid to school with him in the fall?

[DarrinS]

What if this kid took the covid to school with him in the fall?

What if?

Do you know the risk to children from covid? Its not zero, but almost zero.

[Blake]

What if?

Do you know the risk to children from covid? Its not zero, but almost zero.

We've had over a year of this for you to understand how covid gets transmitted. Wtf is wrong with you?

[DarrinS]

We've had over a year of this for you to understand how covid gets transmitted. Wtf is wrong with you?

I know that kids under 12 are very safe and can't be vaccinated (yet). Its unclear whether vaccine benefits in this cohort outweigh risks.

[spurraider21]

.

[spurraider21]

I know that kids under 12 are very safe and can't be vaccinated (yet). Its unclear whether vaccine benefits in this cohort outweigh risks.
i dont know either, thats why they currently arent vaccinated kids under 12. i dont know what risks there are associated with masks, though.

[ChumpDumper]

How would this five y.o. have been saved by a mask?We know for sure a mask wouldn't kill him.

[DarrinS]

Its a treatable disease, assuming you have a knowledgeable doctor.

[ChumpDumper]

Its a treatable disease, assuming you have a knowledgeable doctor.You don't know more than doctors, Darrin.

Sorry.

Not even you could save the people who died.

[Thanos]

Its a treatable disease, assuming you have a knowledgeable doctor.
Also you probably throw back enough Jim Beam to kill any contagions in your system anyways, hell yeah brutha!

[boutons_deux]

MAGA diehards accuse Ron DeSantis of being bribed after Florida governor encouraged vaccinations

the difficulty Republicans will experience trying to pivot on vaccines after months of disinformation by right-wing media.

"It was all about bribery," Cortz alleged. "And that's what we're seeing right now."

Cortez said the loved the GOP governor and didn't want to speak poorly of him, but then proceeded to accuse him of being corrupt.

there has to be something here," he argued. "And I think it's more of a spiritual thing, everybody has a number."

"Everybody has a number and it doesn't matter who it is. Everybody has a number," he repeated.

https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-florida-vaccines

[boutons_deux]

GOP Senator Dismisses COVID Deaths Of 400 Children

Sen. Roger Marshall (https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/?s=Roger+Marshall), a Republican of Kansas and an obstetrician, dismissed the deaths of 400 children who have died from COVID-19 during a Senate hearing Tuesday with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.

Sen. Marshall's remarks were based on his false claim that

"probably zero" of the 400 children who died of COVID (that number has not been confirmed) had no pre-existing condition.

"Children are not supposed to die," Dr. Walensky told Sen. Marshall, right before he delivered his remarks
dismissing their deaths, as if having a pre-existing condition makes it acceptable for a child to die of COVID-19.

In questioning the CDC chief, Sen. Marshall touted his credentials as a doctor,

before attempting to sow doubt on the need of children to be vaccinated against coronavirus.

"As a physician, we always want to be able to know and discuss the benefits and risk of anything that we're prescribing, including a vaccine," Marshall, a hydroxychloroquine-pusher

who has said he takes the malaria drug to fight against the coronavirus (https://www.kansas.com/news/coronavirus/article242837926.html), told Walensky.

"It's estimated that 40, maybe 50 percent of children have already had the COVID virus. What are the additional benefits to the vaccine to a child who's already had the virus?"

the American Academy of Pediatrics reports that as of July 15

over four million children in the U.S. (https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/) are believed to have been infected with the coronavirus.

One abstract (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/) posted by the National Institutes of Health, a federal government agency, says

"Almost half of children who contract covid-19 may have lasting symptoms."

Sen. Marshall

voted to overturn the 2020 election,

voted against expanding the COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act,

supports repealing ObamaCare, and

has said, "I'm not sure that there is even climate change."

https://www.nationalmemo.com/roger-marshall-child-covid-deaths

fuck Marshall, fuck Kansas

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7EH16JWQAg_oNR?format=jpg&name=large

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7EH16JWQAg_oNR?format=jpg&name=large

the homicidal policies of Repugs. Politics and money valued more than human health and life.

[pgardn]

A very controversial step is making health insurance tied to the responsibility of taking care of your own body.

Up those costs for the unvaccinated or just pull it and see how they afford to pay that medical bill.
Very slippery slope imo. But... They are basically fkn brainless drunk drivers who can continually hit other cars until their own car breaks down. This variant is very unkind. And its gonna hit business, the red governors are starting to understand this.

[Winehole23]

Study suggests COVID impairs cognition, even if you get a mild case.

But sure, let's send all the kids back to school during a COVID spike, before vaccination, without masks, social distancing or good ventilation.


People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised (N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection (N = 326). Analysing markers of premorbid intelligence did not support these differences being present prior to infection. Finer grained analysis of performance across sub-tests supported the hypothesis that COVID-19 has a multi-domain impact on human cognition.


These results accord with reports of ‘Long Covid’ cognitive symptoms that persist into the early-chronic phase. They should act as a clarion call for further research with longitudinal and neuroimaging cohorts to plot recovery trajectories and identify the biological basis of cognitive deficits in SARS-COV-2 survivors.https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00324-2/fulltext#seccesectitle0001

[Winehole23]

far from conclusive, but grates against the right wing narrative

https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/2977384169199489

[pgardn]

far from conclusive, but grates against the right wing narrative

https://insidemedicine.bulletin.com/2977384169199489

The pressure on young women/girls is immense.
The cruelty they face, especially in Middle school, is a real problem.
Low self esteem leads to becoming a bully or being bullied.
Self worth based on the ratings of hormone riddled kids growing up... is ridiculous. This is where parenting is so important. Loving kids for what they are and gaining a sense of empathy... family. A sense of self confidence in kids who are trying to determine how they fit in.... Mom and DAD and extended family play a huge role. And $ certainly helps. or hurts in some cases...

This is why I think the healthy behavior of understanding you will not be judged just by your looks is imperative for women, because there are a number of derps that just want a slave girl in a porno scene for a wife. And they cant get it, which leads to huge male frustration which then is turned on... females. Easy targets. They wont dare face a physically stronger male with their derision. Pure weak boys becoming weak men. Read this koriwhat. You want a definition, you got it. Its derp.

[boutons_deux]

A very controversial step is making health insurance tied to the responsibility of taking care of your own body.



already done with smokers.

[boutons_deux]

GOP Senator Dismisses COVID Deaths Of 400 Children

Sen. Roger Marshall (https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/?s=Roger+Marshall), a Republican of Kansas and an obstetrician,

Did somebody say Kansas?

'Past the tipping point': Kansas City hospital officials sound the alarm about new Covid surge


"We are past the tipping point. We are in trouble."

"I think you are going to find the chief medical officers are going to call for a reinstitution of the mask mandates and social distancing,

because we had that discussion this morning —

and we were all in favor of it because we're in trouble in the hospitals."

Missouri is a deeply Republican state with a low rate of COVID-19 vaccination.

The Mid-America Regional Council (https://marc2.org/covidhub/) reported that the average of new hospitalizations in the Kansas City area went from 39 on June 8 to 94 on July 20.

https://www.alternet.org/2021/07/19-delta/

[Winehole23]

in 1947 six million people in NYC were vaccinated for smallpox in less than a month.

odd that we're so helpless to do anything of the sort now.

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[koriwhat]

odd that we're so helpless to do anything of the sort now.

"Bow to our secular lord the State and get inoculated or die facing the wall!"

[Winehole23]

This message is hidden because koriwhat is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

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[spurraider21]

I am i understanding correctly that this has not been peer reviewed? TSA

[hater]

https://twitter.com/KarlFKennedy17/status/1418968420108972032?s=19

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/KarlFKennedy17/status/1418968420108972032?s=19

An official with France's interior ministry said 161,000 people had demonstrated across the country on Saturday, up from 114,000 a week earlier.

[hater]

An official with France's interior ministry said 161,000 people had demonstrated across the country on Saturday, up from 114,000 a week earlier.

:tu

Glad freedom fighters are out and fighting for their rights


No to vax passports. No to fascism

[hater]

France :tu


https://twitter.com/AwakenedOf/status/1418964122411089921?s=19

[ElNono]

:tu

Glad freedom fighters are out and fighting for their rights

No to vax passports. No to fascism

I thought Macron already relaxed some of the policies, but that probably energized people more.

French love to protest though, which is a good thing in my book.

[hater]

I thought Macron already relaxed some of the policies, but that probably energized people more.

French love to protest though, which is a good thing in my book.

:tu

The french know how to protest. It starts with the beheading of the queen in La Liberte :tu

Okce you take the head of your queen in a protest, it gets easier :lol

Fuck fascisms go freedom fighters :tu

Decapitate the motherfuckers

[spurraider21]

People already have immunization records. When did “vaccine passport” become the term?

[ElNono]

'He’s regretful': Radio host who doubted vaccines hospitalized with COVID, family says

A conservative Tennessee-based talk radio host has changed his previously skeptical messaging on vaccines after being hospitalized with COVID-19, his family said.

Phil Valentine, who has posted on social media dissuading his audience from getting vaccinated if they aren't "in danger of dying" from COVID, has been hospitalized in the critical care unit and is receiving supplemental oxygen, but is not on a ventilator, according to his brother.

Valentine told listeners after being diagnosed — but before being hospitalized — that he chose not to get a COVID vaccine because he thought he probably wouldn't die from the disease.

His brother, Mark Valentine, said on WWTN-FM in Nashville this week that his brother has never been an "anti-vaxxer," but was "pro-information” and “pro-choice" regarding the vaccine.

“First of all, he’s regretful that he wasn’t a more vocal advocate of the vaccination,” Mark Valentine said. “For those listening, I know if he were able to tell you this, he would tell you, 'Go get vaccinated. Quit worrying about the politics. Quit worrying about all the conspiracy theories.’"

In December, 2020, as vaccines were just beginning to roll out in the U.S., Phil Valentine wrote in a blog post that he probably had a very low chance of getting COVID.

Tennessee has one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country, and new cases have been on the rise in July as the highly spreadable delta variant is now responsible for the majority of cases in the country.

Mark Valentine said he got vaccinated after his brother's sickness. A post on the station's Facebook page from the family says that Valentine plans to advocate for vaccinations once he recovers and returns to the airwaves.

"Please continue to pray for his recovery and PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!" his family said in the statement.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/07/24/radio-host-phil-valentine-has-changed-mind-covid-vaccine-skepticism/8081830002/

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Still undefeated Darwin puttin' in the work...

[boutons_deux]

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LA man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines dies of virus


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8F12/production/_119562663_1b6fb6a0-ec35-11eb-ab7f-30188212c57d.jpg

A California man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines on social media has died after a month-long battle with the virus.
Stephen Harmon, a member of the Hillsong megachurch, had been a vocal opponent of vaccines, making a series of jokes about not having the vaccine.

"Got 99 problems but a vax ain't one," the 34-year-old tweeted to his 7,000 followers in June.


Despite his struggle with the virus, Mr Harmon still said he would reject being jabbed, saying

his religious faith would protect him. :lol

sharing memes saying he trusted the Bible over top US disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358

Did he get his anti-vax position from his church?

Vaccines are a 'personal decision,' church founder says after congregant refuses shot, dies of COVID

https://abc7.com/stephen-harmon-covid-vaccine-covid-19-resistance/10907588/

[Ef-man]

LA man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines dies of virus


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8F12/production/_119562663_1b6fb6a0-ec35-11eb-ab7f-30188212c57d.jpg

A California man who mocked Covid-19 vaccines on social media has died after a month-long battle with the virus.
Stephen Harmon, a member of the Hillsong megachurch, had been a vocal opponent of vaccines, making a series of jokes about not having the vaccine.

"Got 99 problems but a vax ain't one," the 34-year-old tweeted to his 7,000 followers in June.


Despite his struggle with the virus, Mr Harmon still said he would reject being jabbed, saying

his religious faith would protect him. :lol

sharing memes saying he trusted the Bible over top US disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57958358

Did he get his anti-vax position from his church?
Vaccines are a 'personal decision,' church founder says after congregant refuses shot, dies of COVIDhttps://abc7.com/stephen-harmon-covid-vaccine-covid-19-resistance/10907588/


Was he self-employed, living in mom’s basement, fake christian, exhibiting bot-like behavior, and strong supporter of 2nd amendment?

Asking for a beepboop.

[pgardn]

already done with smokers.

yep

And they lie

[pgardn]

:tu

Glad freedom fighters are out and fighting for their rights


No to vax passports. No to fascismm

Cool.

They will stay home.

[pgardn]

in 1947 six million people in NYC were vaccinated for smallpox in less than a month.

odd that we're so helpless to do anything of the sort now.

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If this current virus was no threat to life and the only symptom was considerable disfigurement of the face we would have a higher vaccination rate imo.

[boutons_deux]

This pastor's sociopathic BULLSHIT that vaccine is a "personal decision" implies that each person is isolated island, responsible for nobody and nothing but oneself, total FREDUMB from obligations to society.

That's some perverted, sick shit from a so-called Christian pastor.

[Winehole23]

If this current virus was no threat to life and the only symptom was considerable disfigurement of the face we would have a higher vaccination rate imo.That's a good point, but smallpox is significantly lethal too, isn't it?

[boutons_deux]

another one ...

GOP lawmaker who refused to wear mask reportedly 'really, really sick' with COVID-19



https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzA1MjY5OS9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0NzkxMDUzOX0.Gek6Xp0FS ewrsHLY-u-7iGsD-VyHERFeic96cuo7ny4/image.jpg?width=1200&height=703

a GOP lawmaker who has been very outspoken about precautions that need to be taken to prevent contracting the COVID-19 novel virus -- and refused to wear a mask during legislative sessions --

has admitted that he is "really, really" sick with COVID (https://www.mainepublic.org/politics/2021-07-24/maine-lawmaker-who-opposed-coronavirus-restrictions-reportedly-has-covid-19) now.

State Rep. Chris Johansen,

"...has been an outspoken opponent of state-mandated coronavirus restrictions and has organized multiple protests.

In April 2020, he organized a protest (https://bangordailynews.com/2020/04/20/politics/hundreds-protest-mills-restrictions-aimed-at-slowing-coronavirus/) in front of the Blaine House asking Democratic Gov. Janet Mills to reopen the state's economy,

as well as downplaying the damage that the spread of COVID-19 would have on communities across the country."

https://www.rawstory.com/gop-2653950694

[boutons_deux]

Lara Trump says she's 'thrilled' when her child gets sick from not wearing a face mask


https://www.rawstory.com/lara-trump-face-masks


Lara and Eric, a matched pair of bag of hammers

[pgardn]

That's a good point, but smallpox is significantly lethal too, isn't it?

Yep.
But today we could keep people alive so they could suffer being outcasts.
A real problem is people have no concept of what this virus can do to lungs.
If they could wear a picture of their lungs and people cringe away from them they might get vaccinated.

Honestly, look how much money is spent on changing the face in any way possible. Things that happen inside, no big deal.
"My lungs are getting eaten by my own body" you wont hear this cry of fear. Its inside. So its fine. Out of sight, out of mind.

And when we find out about the long term effects possibly on the brain. "oh no, my brain has been eaten up" you wont hear this. But do something to the face... It really is too bad this virus did not make people's nose turn inside out. People would line up in droves.

[Winehole23]

St. Louis, St. Louis County to reinstate mask mandate, some of first in US (https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/coronavirus/st-louis-st-louis-county-to-reinstate-mask-mandate/article_b7730c4d-3ee9-5970-8e81-cd704bb67dfa.html)

[hater]

People already have immunization records. When did “vaccine passport” become the term?

Its an emergency approved trial

Perform a fulm approval and Im ok with be8ng mandatory

[Winehole23]

The current crop of vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity and, as the emergence of Delta has shown just a few months after the start of mass vaccination, the protection conferred may not be long lasting.

Along with SnakeBoy, I'm hoping we'll see live attentuated vaccines soon. The immune system gets exposed to all the surface proteins, not just the spike, and the protection lasts much longer.





Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.
The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

[spurraider21]

Its an emergency approved trial

Perform a fulm approval and Im ok with be8ng mandatory
You already got it, pincushion :lol

[boutons_deux]

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[Winehole23]

George P Bush dithered, Texas veterans died


The Houston Chronicle and The Texas Tribune spent months investigating how Texas cared for veterans and their spouses at the height of the coronavirus pandemic at the nine state-run veterans homes in Amarillo, Big Spring, Bonham, El Paso, Floresville, Houston, McAllen, Temple and Tyler. After reviewing hundreds of pages of inspection reports and internal emails, and interviewing more than a dozen experts, resident advocates and families, the Chronicle and the Tribune found:




Texas’ state-run veterans homes had more than double the death rate among COVID-19- infected residents compared with other nursing homes in the state.







Seven of the homes had a fatality rate of 25% or more — far higher than the statewide average — 11% — among Texas nursing homes.







Approximately 23% of the state veterans homes nationwide are overseen by outside management companies, but in Texas all nine of them are, and they account for a quarter of the privately run homes in the United States.







Resident advocates say for-profit nursing homes tend to have lower staffing levels and perform worse than nonprofit and government-run facilities. Average staffing levels in Texas nursing homes are among the lowest nationwide. Five of Texas’ veterans homes fell beneath the state average.







On July 8, one day after the Tribune and the Chronicle shared their analysis with the agency, Land Commissioner George P. Bush decided to end the relationship with the two for-profit operators of the homes and asked his staff to conduct a nationwide search to find replacements.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/23/texas-coronavirus-veterans-homes-george-p-bush/

[Winehole23]

COVID could wreck Biden too.

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-may-back-wearing-face-masks-more-in-public-fauci-says/

[boutons_deux]

Conservative Radio Host Skeptical of Vaccines Hospitalized With COVID: “He’s Regretful”

https://compote.slate.com/images/b07a5dfd-9572-4879-acec-3d551ef0c3be.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=680x453&offset=0x0

Phil Valentine, who hosts a show on Nashville’s WWTN-FM, was diagnosed with the coronavirus and is now “in very serious condition” as he battles pneumonia,

his family said, while making clear that the experience has changed his stance on vaccination. :lol

Over the past few months, Valentine has encouraged his listeners to be skeptical of the vaccine and to think twice about getting the shot if they aren’t at high risk of dying from COVID-19.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/phil-valentine-radio-host-vaccines-hospitalized-covid.html

How many has this asshole and similar shitbags sickened and killed by their bullshit?

[hater]

You already got it, pincushion :lol

Terrible retort. You surrendered

[hater]

COVID could wreck Biden too.

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-may-back-wearing-face-masks-more-in-public-fauci-says/

Hes a stupid old bastard. Has no idea whats happening right now

[Winehole23]

Hes a stupid old bastard. Has no idea whats happening right nowyou're not the sharpest blade in the drawer either, tbh.

#StillWithHim

[ElNono]

France :tu

https://twitter.com/AwakenedOf/status/1418964122411089921?s=19

French Senate approves vaccine pass despite protests; German politicians divided

Despite growing protests, French lawmakers have moved a step closer to passing a bill that would introduce obligatory coronavirus vaccinations for certain professions and condition access to cultural and leisure spaces, as well as travel, on a health pass showing proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test.

The French Senate late Saturday approved the bill but introduced changes to the government's draft to exempt minors and remove restaurant and cafe terraces from places requiring the new passe sanitaire. Senators also tabled an amendment to postpone implementation of the new rules to September, instead of August. The law now needs final approval from the lower house of parliament.

Ahead of the Senate vote, more than 160,000 people protested across France against the proposed restrictions, up by some 50,000 on demonstrations last weekend. Around 35 percent of French citizens support such protests according to a new poll.

That's significantly lower than backing at the start of other recent-anti-government protest movements, such as the so called Yellow Jackets who rose up against fuel price hikes in 2018. Many Yellow Jackets have joined demonstrations against the health pass.

The protesters denounced what they call a "sanitary dictatorship" and claim the health passes violate individual freedom.

France's government has been keeping a watchful eye on the protest movement, fearing a new social crisis over the summer and into the autumn since the demonstrations have managed to attract sizeable crowds despite the summer vacation. After last week's protests, the government made several concessions, including lowering fines for noncompliance, pushing back deadlines and changing rules for shopping malls.

https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccine-pass-france-protests-germany/

[Winehole23]

Knoxville's ICU capacity will be tested soon if the trend doesn't change.

Chief symptoms for Delta are somewhat different than Alpha. Current CDC guidance is to seek testing for COVID for any upper respiratory symptom, regardless of vaccination status.


“They have runny noses, congestion, whereas when the pandemic started, a lot of people had cough. Don’t be confused about what those symptoms look like. If you think it may just be a head cold, it could be worthwhile to get tested,” she added.https://www.wate.com/news/local-news/knoxville-area-hospitals-facing-icu-capacity-problems-as-covid-19-continues-to-spread/

[Winehole23]

Hospitalizations due to COVID have doubled in the last two weeks.


As of Saturday, Texas Department of State Health Services data reported 4,320 lab-confirmed COVID hospitalizations in the state, more than three times the cases it had at its low of 1,428 less than a month ago. In the span of one week, COVID hospitalizations had spiked nearly 50 percent.


The increases in COVID hospitalizations have been dramatic. In the week ending July 24, Texas averaged 3,710 people hospitalized with COVID, up from 2,537 in the week before and 1,838 in the week before that.


Texas Medical Center hospitals are seeing an influx of COVID patients in ICU beds, and medical leaders may soon consider postponing elective procedures, said Dr. James McDeavitt, executive vice president and dean of clinical affairs at Baylor College of Medicine.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Covid-hospitalizations-in-Texas-hit-4-000-for-16338745.php

[pgardn]

The current crop of vaccines do not provide sterilizing immunity and, as the emergence of Delta has shown just a few months after the start of mass vaccination, the protection conferred may not be long lasting.

Along with SnakeBoy, I'm hoping we'll see live attentuated vaccines soon. The immune system gets exposed to all the surface proteins, not just the spike, and the protection lasts much longer.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

This would be preferable, but if you really want to scare the hell out of people who are already ignorant, tell them the vaccine is a LIVE attenuated virus.

Also it must be noted most of the cases involving vaccinated people coming down with symptoms put themselves in situations where they were likely to get a large "dose" of virus. If you actually wanted an infection with symptoms after being vaccinated, you would put yourself in a small room with lots of people shedding live virus for a good period of time.. This appears to be the case in severe infections of vaccinated people. There are also some wtf severe reinfections, but with people having varying immune responses, its not surprising. Also some of the infections after vaccinations were people with already compromised immune systems. If I were a cancer survivor who had chemo and or radiation, and was vaccinated, I would absolutely be masking up in all situations around a lot of people inside coming and going with poor ventilation.

I have a feeling the masking on airplanes and airports is here to stay for a good while.

Again, thanks to our unvaccinated holdouts for knowing exactly how to produce a more virulent strain through evolution through "natural" selection. You suck. Our current vaccines did and are doing amazing things, a significant number of people vectors, did not.

[DarrinS]

Again, thanks to our unvaccinated holdouts for knowing exactly how to produce a more virulent strain through evolution through "natural" selection. You suck.

Well, thank that unvaccinated person that just had to travel to India.

[Blake]

Well, thank that unvaccinated person that just had to travel to India.

Remember when reaching herd immunity used to be your go-to?

[Winehole23]

DeSantis cancelled FL COVID restrictions in early May and forbid cities and counties to reimplement them. Businesses in FL can still require masks and social distancing.

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[pgardn]

Well, thank that unvaccinated person that just had to travel to India.

It was not one person. The delta variant is not only in India.
And the way it spreads IN THE US is through the unvaccinated.
And you, personally, will be fine so no worries. Good luck on that vacation to Canada.

[DarrinS]

It was not one person. The delta variant is not only in India.
And the way it spreads IN THE US is through the unvaccinated.
And you, personally, will be fine so no worries. Good luck on that vacation to Canada.

Wtf? :lol

[DarrinS]

Remember when reaching herd immunity used to be your go-to?

Still the goal.

[pgardn]

DeSantis cancelled FL COVID restrictions in early May and forbid cities and counties to reimplement them. Businesses in FL can still require masks and social distancing.

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If Trump were president we could just attempt to hide cases, shut off any CDC number keeping.
Put a Trump Nazi in every hospital and just burn the records.
I mean this is now on Joe correct? Why is he actually admitting to a problem...?
What happened to "poof its gone" one day, that worked with the derpals.

[pgardn]

Wtf? :lol

Thats right.
You dont get economics outside your own home.
Just one tiny example, you want more?
You keep those backward eyes looking inward, it suits you.

[Blake]

Still the goal.

Remember when you said healthy teenagers don't need to get vaccinated?

If that's still your thought process then you don't really understand how we get to herd immunity

[Winehole23]

Remember when you said healthy teenagers don't need to get vaccinated?

If that's still your thought process then you don't really understand how we get to herd immunityDarrin has been a weather vane pointing to wrong throughout this thread.

[Adam Lambert]

Darrin has been a weather vane pointing to wrong throughout this thread.

He's part of the 40% that are consistently wrong but too stubborn to admit it, which results in nothing changing.

These people are a scourge.

[DarrinS]

Remember when you said healthy teenagers don't need to get vaccinated?

If that's still your thought process then you don't really understand how we get to herd immunity

Herd immunity comes from vaccinated + naturally infected

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1419014288879063042?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1419014288879063042?s=19

https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280/757/90/sites/default/files/20210717_WOC850.png

:tu

[Blake]

Herd immunity comes from vaccinated + naturally infected

Make up your mind :lol

[RandomGuy]

Well, thank that unvaccinated person that just had to travel to India.

Ironic that the epidemic of Republican stupidity is proving just as dangerous as the virus.

Thankfully it is just killing mostly among mouth-breathing Trump voters.

[hater]

:lmao CDC = deer in headlights, etc

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1419131727176421378?s=19

[RandomGuy]

Herd immunity comes from vaccinated + naturally infected

New mutations come from unvaccinated.

[Winehole23]

it's like Antifa utterly vanished



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6_bJEIWEAUr1de?format=jpg&name=900x900

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao CDC = deer in headlights, etc

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1419131727176421378?s=19Nobody knows for sure how to model a nonexistent unknown novel variant of a novel virus.

Wow, hater -- you really told them!

[DarrinS]

New mutations come from unvaccinated.

They come from anyone infected

[Blake]

They come from anyone infected

Yeah you still don't understand how vaccines work :lol

[DarrinS]

Yeah you still don't understand how vaccines work :lol

They don't provide sterilizing immunity

[Blake]

They don't provide sterilizing immunity

The Darrin rodeo. I'll let someone else play.

[Blake]

I'll throw you one bone. After that you get the 'lol Darrin is an idiot' treatment like usual.

"Updated 31 December 2020

What is ‘herd immunity’?
'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. WHO supports achieving 'herd immunity' through vaccination, not by allowing a disease to spread through any segment of the population, as this would result in unnecessary cases and deaths.

Herd immunity against COVID-19 should be achieved by protecting people through vaccination, not by exposing them to the pathogen that causes the disease. Read the Director-General’s 12 October media briefing speech for more detail. ......."

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19

[hater]

I'll throw you one bone. After that you get the 'lol Darrin is an idiot' treatment like usual.

"Updated 31 December 2020

What is ‘herd immunity’?
'Herd immunity', also known as 'population immunity', is the indirect protection from an infectious disease that happens when a population is immune either through vaccination or immunity developed through previous infection. WHO supports achieving 'herd immunity' through vaccination, not by allowing a disease to spread through any segment of the population, as this would result in unnecessary cases and deaths.

Herd immunity against COVID-19 should be achieved by protecting people through vaccination, not by exposing them to the pathogen that causes the disease. Read the Director-General’s 12 October media briefing speech for more detail. ......."

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19

The ship has sailed. There will never be herd immunity for Covid in this planet. Its gone the way of the flu.

Until ppl realize this fact, they will be believing in imaginary unicorns

[pgardn]

They don't provide sterilizing immunity

YES they do.
But not 100% of the time, but very effective.

[pgardn]

The ship has sailed. There will never be herd immunity for Covid in this planet. Its gone the way of the flu.

Until ppl realize this fact, they will be believing in imaginary unicorns

NO it has not gone the way of the flu.
The viruses that cause the flu have many more ways of evading vaccine AND causing infections.

[RandomGuy]

They come from anyone infected

(winces)

No, not really. Mutations are much more likely higher virus counts. More viruses = more chances for mutation

Vaccinated people's immune system kills the virus very quickly, preventing a lot of virus load, in addition to being sicker for a shorter period of time.

Sorry, in addition to being cesspools of stupidity, conservative areas that aren't vaccinating are also cesspools for mutation.

Their stupidity could end up killing me or you.

[DarrinS]

YES they do.
But not 100% of the time, but very effective.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvQFtlNQ-M

[Adam Lambert]

it's like Antifa utterly vanished

Another win for Uncle Joe! :tu

[pgardn]

They do NOT provide sterilizing immunity = 60% of the time is zero % of the time.

Cool math, 60 = 0
And Where did you get the 60%?
That is not what I am seeing?

Why do you argue like a kid?

[boutons_deux]

COVID could wreck Biden too.

https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-may-back-wearing-face-masks-more-in-public-fauci-says/

Nope, Dems could message that anti-vaxxers are solely responsible taking the Dem-govt-provided FREE vax shots. Biden/Dems have done everything right to manage their end of the pandemic.

otoh, Trash's mismanagement killed 400K+ Americans

[TSA]

Cool math, 60 = 0
And Where did you get the 60%?
That is not what I am seeing?

Why do you argue like a kid?

:rollin

[SnakeBoy]

YES they do.
But not 100% of the time, but very effective.

lol no they don't

Amazing at this point some of you are still thinking this virus is going to go away

[Blake]

lol no they don't

Amazing at this point some of you are still thinking this virus is going to go away

Yeah these republicans keep acting like we're all back to normal

[spurraider21]

:lmao CDC = deer in headlights, etc

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1419131727176421378?s=19
your boy wants vaccines the be mandatory

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[spurraider21]

or was your entire point just

"hmm, i start with the premise that america bad.... oh time to take a shot at CDC because its an american institution"

[Winehole23]

Seems a shame we still don't have robust testing and tracing in the US. The CDC not tracking breakthough infections short of hospitalization leaves us somewhat in the dark as to the severity of the Delta outbreak. Its decision to tell the fully vaccinated to ditch their masks was another bad call.

Biden is fucking this up too.

[Thread]

Seems a shame we still don't have robust testing and tracing in the US. The CDC not tracking breakthough infections short of hospitalization leaves us somewhat in the dark as to the severity of the Delta outbreak. Its decision to tell the fully vaccinated to ditch their masks was another bad call.

Biden is fucking this up too.

...he's at 228k of dead Americans on his side of the COVID-19 Death Ledger.

Big shot with "a plan."

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

with so many states tying the hands of localities to fight COVID, the private sector will have to pick up the slack.

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Doing the old Cubster not only dirt, not only dirty dirt, but the worst kind of dirt...damnable dirt.

[SnakeBoy]

It would go away except repugs :cry

Brilliant Blake

[SnakeBoy]

with so many states tying the hands of localities to fight COVID, the private sector will have to pick up the slack.

1419725222794579979

Keeping black people out good now

[Blake]

Brilliant Blake

Didn't say that. Why did you change it?

[Winehole23]

Keeping black people out good nowgod, you're so trite

[Blake]

with so many states tying the hands of localities to fight COVID, the private sector will have to pick up the slack.

1419725222794579979

Sucks that government is going to wait until the last second to go to these mandates.

[Winehole23]

COVID can, though

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[hater]

your boy wants vaccines the be mandatory

1419722310941036544

Dr Ding Dong is a retard.

He has decent news posts about variants, etc.but his strategizing is shit.

Hes the same tool that bitched to lock down USA while moving his kids to switzerland so they can attend in person school :lol

Hes amusing nonetheless :lol

[Winehole23]

65+ ticking up


https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-hospitalization-natl-18.png

[Winehole23]

deaths ticking up


https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-deaths-natl-15.png

[ChumpDumper]

Dr Ding Dong is a retard.How many times have you posted his tweets?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/PublicHealthUMN/status/1417469465122459651?s=19

[hater]

How many times have you posted his tweets?

Many times. Already said hes got good news posts.but his whole thinking is fucking retarded.

Hes still amusing and Ill continue to post him :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Many times. Already said hes got good news posts.but his whole thinking is fucking retarded.

Hes still amusing and Ill continue to post him :lmaoSo you think his pro-mask thinking is fucking retarded compared to your pro-mask thinking?

[hater]

So you think his pro-mask thinking is fucking retarded compared to your pro-mask thinking?

Hes way beyond pro mask this retard. He been talking about double or triple masking for a while :lmao


Also wants all children age 1+ wearing masks and vaxed out :lmao

Dr Ding D:lolng

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1419356031977762822?s=19


:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Hes way beyond pro mask this retard. He been talking about double or triple masking for a while :lmao


Also wants all children age 1+ wearing masks and vaxed out :lmao

Dr Ding D:lolngSo you're mocking him when he says wear masks but not yourself when you say wear masks.:tu

[hater]

So you're mocking him when he says wear masks but not yourself when you say wear masks.:tu

I mock the retards that want to double or triple mask :lol

Like dr falsuchi :lmao

"Doctors" :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I mock the retards that want to double or triple mask :lol

Like dr falsuchi :lmao

"Doctors" :lolBut you never really mocked this guy before. You used him to support your mask arguments.

:lol playing both sides as always

[Blake]

But you never really mocked this guy before. You used him to support your mask arguments.

:lol playing both sides as always

CaLLeD iT¡!

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/PublicHealthUMN/status/1417469465122459651?s=19

So he's basically echoing Fauci... ok

[hater]

So he's basically echoing Fauci... ok

Other way around has been like that for months :lol

Falsuchi :lol

[hater]

But you never really mocked this guy before. You used him to support your mask arguments.

:lol playing both sides as always

Have been calling him Dr.Ding Dong for months. Your stalking game is weak :lmao

[ElNono]

Other way around has been like that for months :lol

Falsuchi :lol

Fauci has been sounding the alarm about delta and the slowdown in vaccinations for a while now.

ie: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57962387

Maybe you got distracted looking at his leaked emails nothingburger, but you should listen to the guy sometime.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/224519965_5362202707206073_4821786078020960471_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=5NjN6Y_JLpsAX_8_y2k&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&oh=65c8a1c622b82e68f331e0f9022ed0b2&oe=61267154

[Adam Lambert]

hater, congrats to the Russian Men's gymnastics team on their gold medal. :tu

[hater]

Fauci has been sounding the alarm about delta and the slowdown in vaccinations for a while now.

ie: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57962387

Maybe you got distracted looking at his leaked emails nothingburger, but you should listen to the guy sometime.

Yup ghosting Dr Osterholm. Osterholm been talking about this since April

Falsuchi :lol