Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[DarrinS]

vitamin d huh?

Darker skinned people disproportionately affected. Look into dark skin + vitamin D deficiency

[baseline bum]

Eh, particulate matter doesn't equal infectious. This is like scientists finding Covid a month later on surfaces, which prompted the headline, "Covid can survive a month on surfaces!" when all they found was the virus's genetic material, which isn't infectious. I'd bet my house the particulates found in air pollution aren't infectious.

We already have known airborne transmission from that church choir in Seattle. Keeping six feet apart didn't do shit for them and you're going to have the same kind of heavy droplet ejection in gyms especially, but also in restaurants when people are talking loud, laughing at jokes, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

No it's not. Zinc intereferes with viral replication.

Tylenol + fluids = thoughts and prayers

80% on ventilators die. Who knows how many patients were killed by docs following standard protocols.You post like the ventilator is causing the deaths. You have to compare the 80% to the death rates for people who reach the same point of shit but don't get put on a ventilator. I'd love to see those numbers if they are statistically significant.

[midnightpulp]

We already have known airborne transmission from that church choir in Seattle. Keeping six feet apart didn't do shit for them and you're going to have the same kind of heavy droplet ejection in gyms especially, but also in restaurants when people are talking loud, laughing at jokes, etc.


The study has not yet been peer reviewed, and it does not determine whether the virus on pollution particles is in quantities sufficient enough to cause the disease in humans.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/494677-coronavirus-detected-on-air-pollution-particles-report

In the choir example, those droplets are still circulating within the same general vicinity in a closed space and likely carry more viral load.

[baseline bum]

In the choir example, those droplets are still circulating within the same general vicinity in a closed space and likely carry more viral load.

Just like those droplets and dust particles will be in restaurant dining rooms and gyms where people won't be wearing masks. I'm not so worried about particulate matter since I'm never in extremely densely populated areas, but I think it's a nice illustration of how easily this virus can be carried by things in the air.

[ElNono]

Wont kill covid, but every doctor I have says do 5000 units of D every day.

If you don't get out to sunlight enough, that's always good advice...

[ElNono]

So we should test more.

Maybe even make that a national priority....

yup, one of the biggest issues with this virus is the incubation period, where people are generally asymptomatic.

[DarrinS]

You post like the ventilator is causing the deaths. You have to compare the 80% to the death rates for people who reach the same point of shit but don't get put on a ventilator. I'd love to see those numbers if they are statistically significant.


We need to be treating people earlier in the cycle of the disease. Waiting until you're hypoxic and THEN going for treatment is not the answer.

[ElNono]

What are we wasting time on?

We're not. Read the exchange again.

[midnightpulp]

Just like those droplets and dust particles will be in restaurant dining rooms and gyms where people won't be wearing masks. I'm not so worried about particulate matter since I'm never in extremely densely populated areas, but I think it's a nice illustration of how easily this virus can be carried by things in the air.

I don't think there will enough of it on pollution particles to infect people. A Chinese study found that 2 cases out of 300 that were linked to outdoor transmission. The others came by way of mass transit and within the home.


Another expert, Prof John Sodeau at University College Cork, in the Republic of Ireland, said: “The work seems plausible. But that is the bottom line at the moment, and plausible [particle] interactions are not always biologically viable and may have no effect in the atmosphere.” He said the normal course of scientific research might take two or three years to confirm such findings.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/24/coronavirus-detected-particles-air-pollution

[slick'81]

We need to be treating people earlier in the cycle of the disease. Waiting until you're hypoxic and THEN going for treatment is not the answer.


Hard when the incubation period is soo long. This thing goes 0-60 in the blink of an eye

[DarrinS]

Wont kill covid, but every doctor I have says do 5000 units of D every day.

I just try to spend 20 minutes or so in the sun everyday.

[ChumpDumper]

We need to be treating people earlier in the cycle of the disease. Waiting until you're hypoxic and THEN going for treatment is not the answer.Uh, your claim is no patients with COVI-19 are being treated until they are hypoxic?

That sounds wrong.

[ElNono]

No it's not. Zinc intereferes with viral replication.

Tylenol + fluids = thoughts and prayers

Yes it is, because we don't have a way to deliver those chemicals where they need to go. Why didn't you address that at all?


80% on ventilators die. Who knows how many patients were killed by docs following standard protocols.

There's simply contradictory information about that right now, and ventilators are a last line of defense, it's obvious that the mortality rate on them will be higher. Again, your beef with ventilators is your own.

[DarrinS]

Hard when the incubation period is soo long. This thing goes 0-60 in the blink of an eye

I smell a candle every day. The moment I can't smell it, I think I have a plan better than Tylenol.

[ElNono]

We need to be treating people earlier in the cycle of the disease. Waiting until you're hypoxic and THEN going for treatment is not the answer.

Sometimes doctors don't get to choose. Plus, it's easy to say that, but we don't actually have a medicine that does that. Again, more magical thinking.

[slick'81]

I smell a candle every day. The moment I can't smell it, I think I have a plan better than Tylenol.


:lol:clap

[ElNono]

I smell a candle every day. The moment I can't smell it, I think I have a plan better than Tylenol.

Do tell what plan is that? There's no cure at the moment. Are you going to chug on Clorox?

[DarrinS]

Uh, your claim is no patients with COVI-19 are being treated until they are hypoxic?

That sounds wrong.


I'm sure some people are being treated early with "something", especially celebs.

I'm just relating anecdotally what I'm hearing from docs.

By the way, doctors would do anything not to be intubated themselves. They know the odds.

[boutons_deux]

Tom Cotton: Ban Chinese students from learning science so they can’t ‘steal’ coronavirus vaccine


https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/bartiromo_cotton2.jpg

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/tom-cotton-ban-chinese-students-from-learning-science-so-they-cant-steal-coronavirus-vaccine/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/tom-cotton-ban-chinese-students-from-learning-science-so-they-cant-steal-coronavirus-vaccine/)

Arkansas! :lol

Maria looks like she needs a ventilator

[DarrinS]

Do tell what plan is that? There's no cure at the moment. Are you going to chug on Clorox?

Yes, that's my plan

[ElNono]

Everybody knows the odds... everybody would like to avoid getting to the point where you need mechanical assistance to breathe... people are not put on ventilators for shit and giggles... smh

[ElNono]

Yes, that's my plan

sounds legit

[midnightpulp]

:lmao Another Astroturfed MAGAT protest, this time showing up in San Diego:

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Yeah, these people really look like they're on the brink of economic ruin. Wouldn't know it from all the smiles and photo op'ing.

[ducks]

eating at a restaurant will probably cost twice as much as before so only rich will be able to tbqh

Cry to me a river

[ElNono]

:lmao Another Astroturfed MAGAT protest, this time showing up in San Diego:

1254512325542830080

Yeah, these people really look like they're on the brink of economic ruin. Wouldn't know it from all the smiles and photo op'ing.

did you spot the token black guy in the crowd?

[slick'81]

Texas opening up patio dining at restaurants

[slick'81]

:lmao Another Astroturfed MAGAT protest, this time showing up in San Diego:

1254512325542830080

Yeah, these people really look like they're on the brink of economic ruin. Wouldn't know it from all the smiles and photo op'ing.



USA! Usa! usa!

[DarrinS]

Sometimes doctors don't get to choose. Plus, it's easy to say that, but we don't actually have a medicine that does that. Again, more magical thinking.

Doctors definitely don't get to choose when people have so much fear that they won't seek treatment until they're super sick.

We understand how viruses work. Even this one. I don't understand why you think it is "magical thinking" to know how to hinder its replication in the body. It's like saying hand washing is magical thinking.

[DarrinS]

Texas openng up patio dining at restaurants

That seems very safe to me.

[baseline bum]

Cry to me a river

You're a river and you want hater to cry?

[DarrinS]

You're a river and you want hater to cry?

:lol

Hater gets off on this shit, tbh

[midnightpulp]

Cry to me a river

Ducks, how come they're still selling beer and smokes?

[CosmicCowboy]

I will wear the cloth masks but honestly dont think they do anything but remind you not to touch your face. If farts can go right through uunderwear and wranglers and fumigate a whole room I'm pretty sure the boogievirus can do it too.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure some people are being treated early with "something", especially celebs.

I'm just relating anecdotally what I'm hearing from docs.

By the way, doctors would do anything not to be intubated themselves. They know the odds."I'm sure."

OK.

[ChumpDumper]

I will wear the cloth masks but honestly dont think they do anything but remind you not to touch your face. If farts can go right through uunderwear and wranglers and fumigate a whole room I'm pretty sure the boogievirus can do it too.Apparently lining a cotton mask with natural silk or chiffon can work really well if the fit is good. It's the droplets you're trying to stop for the most part.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200424081648.htm

[Mark Celibate]

Texas opening up patio dining at restaurants

I'm in DFW and I've only heard it's a handful of restaurants in Colleyville tbh have they expanded it?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm in DFW and I've only heard it's a handful of restaurants in Colleyville tbh have they expanded it?I think the formal announcement is tomorrow but the restaurant association has been blabbing that restaurants are back in a couple weeks. Wouldn't be surprised if they pushed the patio stuff to open sooner.

[ducks]

Ryan Fournier RyaNAFournier
·
10h
If Walmart, Target, BJ’s and Lowe’s can all be open without killing people,

Why can’t small businesses? Thinking face

[ChumpDumper]

Ryan Fournier RyaNAFournier
·
10h
If Walmart, Target, BJ’s and Lowe’s can all be open without killing people,

Why can’t small businesses? Thinking faceThat is a not thinking face.

[ducks]

Says the sheep follower of Nancy saggy tits

[ducks]

Ryan Fournier RyaNAFournier
·
9h
Today is Melania Trump’s birthday.

She fled a communist country to come to the U.S. as an immigrant.

She became a citizen and now First Lady.

She speaks 5 languages and exhibits grace on the world stage.

Why isn't she on the cover of magazines, or invited on talk shows?

[ducks]

It’s funny how DESPERATE the left is to prevent any kind of economic opening. Are they terrified it will fail, or—my suspicion—that it will succeed? If the economy starts humming again, there go any faint hopes for the Democrats in November

[ElNono]

Doctors definitely don't get to choose when people have so much fear that they won't seek treatment until they're super sick.

We understand how viruses work. Even this one. I don't understand why you think it is "magical thinking" to know how to hinder its replication in the body. It's like saying hand washing is magical thinking.

Exactly because we know how viruses work I'm saying it's magical thinking. You know what works? A vaccine. You know what else works? A medicine with a proven track record affecting this particular virus.

Zinc also helps against immunodeficiency on AIDS. Is it a cure, or make you much less likely to die of AIDS? Not really.

If all viruses were the same, then we wouldn't have different medicines per each virus. ie: we don't use hydroxychloroquine to cure AIDS.

Even though we've come a long way into accelerating research into these things, it still takes time, there's no silver bullet, and a lot of times there's no cure.

Sure, there's some things you can do that will likely help, like a good diet, not be overweight or a smoker. That reduces the odds you're going to need an ICU visit, but doesn't necessarily guarantees anything either. It's all about how your body reacts to the virus.

[ducks]

Funny people here say people will be afraid to go out after this
Just look at the beaches now
People will do what they did before this

[ChumpDumper]

Funny people here say people will be afraid to go out after this
Just look at the beaches now
People will do what they did before thisUntil they start dying again.

It's not like all 3,000,000 people in Orange County were on the beach.

[DarrinS]

Exactly because we know how viruses work I'm saying it's magical thinking. You know what works? A vaccine. You know what else works? A medicine with a proven track record affecting this particular virus.

Zinc also helps against immunodeficiency on AIDS. Is it a cure, or make you much less likely to die of AIDS? Not really.

If all viruses were the same, then we wouldn't have different medicines per each virus. ie: we don't use hydroxychloroquine to cure AIDS.

Even though we've come a long way into accelerating research into these things, it still takes time, there's no silver bullet, and a lot of times there's no cure.

Sure, there's some things you can do that will likely help, like a good diet, not be overweight or a smoker. That reduces the odds you're going to need an ICU visit, but doesn't necessarily guarantees anything either. It's all about how your body reacts to the virus.


I should have been more specific and said we know how coronaviruses work.

If I get this virus (no doubt I eventually will), I have a plan for myself. And it's not based on magic thinking.

[ducks]

7450 die daily in the USA. People now are dying less then that do to social distancing
No one is dying from the common flu now
Usually 35,000 a year

Over 10 million babies died world wide this year
Where is your outrage for that ?

[ChumpDumper]

7450 die daily in the USA. People now are dying less then that do to social distancing
No one is dying from the common flu now
Usually 35,000 a year

Over 10 million babies died world wide this year
Where is your outrage for that ?ducks, quit shitting on the dead, OK?

Try being human.

[ducks]

You support killing babies ?


44 wanted people over 75 dead he claimed they were useless that is who is dying with other Medical issues
Healthy people are Not dying with this !

[slick'81]

You support killing babies ?

Healthy people are Not dying with this !



Well that settles it

[ChumpDumper]

You support killing babies ?


44 wanted people over 75 dead he claimed they were useless that is who is dying with other Medical issues
Healthy people are Not dying with this !You'll have to quote that.

[DarrinS]

Apparently lining a cotton mask with natural silk or chiffon can work really well if the fit is good. It's the droplets you're trying to stop for the most part.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200424081648.htm


Yeah, my understanding is that your mask protects me and my mask protects you.

[DarrinS]

I'm actually somewhat irritated when I see someone at the store without a mask.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, my understanding is that your mask protects me and my mask protects you.Right, but some protect you from the droplets more than others. They can't realistically recommend medical masks of any kind at this point even if they wanted to, but I was surprised by the article. Lining one of those Asian anti-pollution masks with silk or chiffon could do really well to protect oneself and more importantly be easily washed and reused.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm actually somewhat irritated when I see someone at the store without a mask.I almost want to offer them one.

[pgardn]

In the summer these things could be hell.
Ive seen a lot of people in SA wearing them outside.
Overall I would say from my encounters, we are a very compliant city.

[Blake]

I think the formal announcement is tomorrow but the restaurant association has been blabbing that restaurants are back in a couple weeks. Wouldn't be surprised if they pushed the patio stuff to open sooner.

I saw a restaurant with a couple patio diners earlier

[Blake]

7450 die daily in the USA. People now are dying less then that do to social distancing
No one is dying from the common flu now
Usually 35,000 a year

Over 10 million babies died world wide this year
Where is your outrage for that ?

whatabouttheflugodzillatramplingtokyo.jpg

[ducks]

I'm actually somewhat irritated when I see someone at the store without a mask.

People
Who have asyma can not breath well with them on

[DarrinS]

In the summer these things could be hell.
Ive seen a lot of people in SA wearing them outside.
Overall I would say from my encounters, we are a very compliant city.

I don't put mine on until right before I get out of my vehicle. It's not so bad.

[DarrinS]

People
Who have asyma can not breath well with them on

Seems unlikely, tbh

[DarrinS]

Right, but some protect you from the droplets more than others. They can't realistically recommend medical masks of any kind at this point even if they wanted to, but I was surprised by the article. Lining one of those Asian anti-pollution masks with silk or chiffon could do really well to protect oneself and more importantly be easily washed and reused.


I just use a flashlight to check material. If light can't get through, I figure small particles can't.

Bandanas are terrible, btw.

[pgardn]

You support killing babies ?


44 wanted people over 75 dead he claimed they were useless that is who is dying with other Medical issues
Healthy people are Not dying with this !

This is perfectly wrong. MOST people have preexisting conditions.
Some have been extraordinarily fit people. Their immune system has basically destroyed their lungs.
We dont get this thing yet ducks, how long will it take for you to understand that there is so much to be done because we DONT.

[Nathan89]

People
Who have asyma can not breath well with them on

With n95 masks maybe but they should fine with other masks.

[ducks]

Seems unlikely, tbh

My friend went to Costco had to have one in ca
And to go in Costco
He does not plan on going back now tell this is over

[DarrinS]

This is perfectly wrong. MOST people have preexisting conditions.
Some have been extraordinarily fit people. Their immune system has basically destroyed their lungs.
We dont get this thing yet ducks, how long will it take for you to understand that there is so much to be done because we DONT.

This. We need to nip this thing in the bud before cytokine storm.

[ChumpDumper]

I just use a flashlight to check material. If light can't get through, I figure small particles can't.

Bandanas are terrible, btw.That's why I made the jump to Asian masks as soon as they hinted at changing their recommendations. They've been dealing with pollution for so long there are all kinds of standards widely available.

[rascal]

7450 die daily in the USA. People now are dying less then that do to social distancing
No one is dying from the common flu now
Usually 35,000 a year

Over 10 million babies died world wide this year
Where is your outrage for that ?

They are not babies if they are not born. Can you claim them on your taxes? No, so they are not babies yet.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

>muh economy

Please. When will you wage slaves embrace NEETdom?





https://i.redd.it/jezhxm649d441.jpg



https://external-preview.redd.it/269xTay7MNU4GcV77XEC_e5xTHyYZXMuQGcj_5z_Mck.jpg?au to=webp&361f9223

[baseline bum]

I almost want to offer them one.

Hope you want to hear an angry rant every time you do. :lol

[DarrinS]

That's why I made the jump to Asian masks as soon as they hinted at changing their recommendations. They've been dealing with pollution for so long there are all kinds of standards widely available.


I got a half ass diy mask my daughter made me, but I think I need a better one.

To sterilize, I've been leaving it in a paper bag in the vehicle. It gets hot as shit in there during the day.

[pgardn]

I don't put mine on until right before I get out of my vehicle. It's not so bad.

I run and bike. A whole lot more right now because I got no pool to swim a bit.
Not gonna happen in the summer or right now, I will die of other causes due to overheating.
And I must say the humidity has been really favorable in the mornings and evenings the last 3 days but its still too hot.
I never wore face stuff even in the coldest conditions in SA running. Biking on some winter days can be bone chilling because of the air flow so I put something on but usually ended up pulling it down so it did not cover my nose or mouth.

At the coast kayaking I kept one on all day but not on my nose, I just keep applying sun screen. Simms face wear is made to be very breathable so is probably no good for droplet exchange.

Going into the stores has been hard for me because I really dont like things on my face, but Im wearing at every locale inside.

[ChumpDumper]

Hope you want to hear an angry rant every time you do. :lolYeah, I don't need more droplets flying around. I do wonder how many might not know all the whys and hows though.

[baseline bum]

In the summer these things could be hell.
Ive seen a lot of people in SA wearing them outside.
Overall I would say from my encounters, we are a very compliant city.

Leave Bexar County though and people don't fucking use them. Especially in the 50+ crowd.

[ElNono]

I should have been more specific and said we know how coronaviruses work.

If I get this virus (no doubt I eventually will), I have a plan for myself. And it's not based on magic thinking.

smh

[DarrinS]

I run and bike. A whole lot more right now because I got no pool to swim a bit.
Not gonna happen in the summer or right now, I will die of other causes due to overheating.
And I must say the humidity has been really favorable in the mornings and evenings the last 3 days but its still too hot.
I never wore face stuff even in the coldest conditions in SA running. Biking on some winter days can be bone chilling because of the air flow so I put something on but usually ended up pulling it down so it did not cover my nose or mouth.

At the coast kayaking I kept one on all day but not on my nose, I just keep applying sun screen. Simms face wear is made to be very breathable so is probably no good for droplet exchange.

Going into the stores has been hard for me because I really dont like things on my face, but Im wearing at every locale inside.


You don't need to wear it when you're alone, running,etc.

It does suck to wear on a long shopping trip.

[DarrinS]

smh

Take your Tylenol and suffer for two or three weeks. Hopefully, it doesn't get really bad.

Not my plan

[ChumpDumper]

I got a half ass diy mask my daughter made me, but I think I need a better one.

To sterilize, I've been leaving it in a paper bag in the vehicle. It gets hot as shit in there during the day.We're rotating the ones I got, leaving used ones in bags in the garage to use again in four days. Probably going to get the anti-pollution masks I was talking about and experiment with the chiffon/silk in place of the filters they come with so I can have stuff I can wash every time long term.

I'm fortunate to live close to an empty area so I won't have to mask up during exercise.

[ElNono]

Take your Tylenol and suffer for two or three weeks. Hopefully, it doesn't get really bad.

Not my plan

lmao, zinc supplements really gonna get it done... stupid doctors let 50k+ die for nothing

[DarrinS]

Elnono so pessimistic, he thinks this is like fuckin AIDS. Settle down, bro. :lol

[ElNono]

Elnono so pessimistic, he thinks this is like fuckin AIDS. Settle down, bro. :lol

Darrin MD thinks he got it all figured out... bro, sell that shit, you can get rich quick

[ElNono]

And I do have a problem with the characterization that I'm pessimistic in this case, I'm realistic... there's no cure for this as of this writing, there's hopeful therapies.

[DarrinS]

lmao, zinc supplements really gonna get it done... stupid doctors let 50k+ die for nothing

Well, 50k+ die if you let virus go untreated until you're very sick. And then you follow protocols that put people on vents.

I don't blame docs for last part, since they've never seen this disease before.

[ElNono]

Well, 50k+ die if you let virus go untreated until you're very sick. And then you follow protocols that put people on vents.

I don't blame docs for last part, since they've never seen this disease before.

No it does not. 50k+ die because we don't have a fucking cure, and everybody's immune system reacts a different way... how hard is that to understand? Even people on hydroxychloroquine and zinc died.

Holy shit.

[ElNono]

Even intubated people survive... even if it's only 20% they do. Talk about fear.

[ElNono]

Doctors and Immunologists don't have this under control, but you do Darrin? because you read two papers?

[DarrinS]

And I do have a problem with the characterization that I'm pessimistic in this case, I'm realistic... there's no cure for this as of this writing, there's hopeful therapies.

Sorry man, seems like you are, just a little bit.

I know there's no "cure". There's no cure for the common cold (also a corona virus). That's why I don't hold out hope for a vaccine. Hell, even the flu shot is their best guess at what strain we are getting that season.

I don't know why what I'm saying is controversial to you. We know how this virus replicates in the body and we know certain compounds will probably inhibit that replication.

[ElNono]

Sorry man, seems like you are, just a little bit.

I know there's no "cure". There's no cure for the common cold (also a corona virus). That's why I don't hold out hope for a vaccine. Hell, even the flu shot is their best guess at what strain we are getting that season.

I don't know why what I'm saying is controversial to you. We know how this virus replicates in the body and we know certain compounds will probably inhibit that replication.

We have actual tested, proven therapeutic medicines for the common cold. We do not for covid. You know this, I don't know why I have to explain it, why is not a similar comparison.

We have some drugs that are hopeful, but not proven (yet). I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic. There's no wonder drug or vaccine around the corner. I hope there is, but right now there isn't.

What you're saying is not controversial, it simply glosses over that it's only effective when the zinc can actually reach the virus. That requires a transport to get it there. It's actually a big fucking deal and the reason we don't use zinc as a generic viral treatment.

[baseline bum]

We have actual tested, proven therapeutic medicines for the common cold. We do not for covid. You know this, I don't know why I have to explain it, why is not a similar comparison.

We have some drugs that are hopeful, but not proven (yet). I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic. There's no wonder drug or vaccine around the corner. I hope there is, but right now there isn't.

What you're saying is not controversial, it simply glosses over that it's only effective when the zinc can actually reach the virus. That requires a transport to get it there. It's actually a big fucking deal and the reason we don't use zinc as a generic viral treatment.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1iCZpFMYd0

[DarrinS]

We have actual tested, proven therapeutic medicines for the common cold. We do not for covid. You know this, I don't know why I have to explain it, why is not a similar comparison.

We have some drugs that are hopeful, but not proven (yet). I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic. There's no wonder drug or vaccine around the corner. I hope there is, but right now there isn't.

What you're saying is not controversial, it simply glosses over that it's only effective when the zinc can actually reach the virus. That requires a transport to get it there. It's actually a big fucking deal and the reason we don't use zinc as a generic viral treatment.



It's why you need zinc and a zinc ionophore.

[SnakeBoy]

I got a half ass diy mask my daughter made me, but I think I need a better one.

To sterilize, I've been leaving it in a paper bag in the vehicle. It gets hot as shit in there during the day.

I've got MSA dust masks like these

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RZ0AAOSwiwVWRh4l/s-l300.jpg

Had a a couple of boxes of 50 for wood working, mowing my pasture, and stuff. Wife took them in case the practice ran out of masks but they are all stocked up with N95's now.

If you want some I'll mail them to you.

You too Chump

[slick'81]

I've got MSA dust masks like these

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RZ0AAOSwiwVWRh4l/s-l300.jpg

Had a a couple of boxes of 50 for wood working, mowing my pasture, and stuff. Wife took them in case the practice ran out of masks but they are all stocked up with N95's now.

If you want some I'll mail them to you.

You too Chump


Ill take some snake

[SnakeBoy]

Ill take some snake

PM me your address. How many do you need?

[baseline bum]

I've got MSA dust masks like these

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RZ0AAOSwiwVWRh4l/s-l300.jpg

Had a a couple of boxes of 50 for wood working, mowing my pasture, and stuff. Wife took them in case the practice ran out of masks but they are all stocked up with N95's now.

If you want some I'll mail them to you.

You too Chump

So you paid the $900 on amazon? Those were some deals a couple of months ago.

[DarrinS]

I've got MSA dust masks like these

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RZ0AAOSwiwVWRh4l/s-l300.jpg

Had a a couple of boxes of 50 for wood working, mowing my pasture, and stuff. Wife took them in case the practice ran out of masks but they are all stocked up with N95's now.

If you want some I'll mail them to you.

You too Chump


Yeah, I have some of those, but mine are white (no racist) and made by 3M. And they are hot and fog up your glasses.

[ChumpDumper]

I've got MSA dust masks like these

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RZ0AAOSwiwVWRh4l/s-l300.jpg

Had a a couple of boxes of 50 for wood working, mowing my pasture, and stuff. Wife took them in case the practice ran out of masks but they are all stocked up with N95's now.

If you want some I'll mail them to you.

You too ChumpGot my (probably expired) Asian stuff, thanks.

[ducks]

They are not babies if they are not born. Can you claim them on your taxes? No, so they are not babies yet.

You deduct doctors visits on taxes so yes you can claim them

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, I have some of those, but mine are white (no racist) and made by 3M. And they are hot and got up your glasses.Apparently letting your glasses air dry after putting them in soapy water cuts down on the fog. Will try it next time I go out.

[SnakeBoy]

So you paid the $900 on amazon? Those were some deals a couple of months ago.

:lol maybe $9 at Home Depot years ago

[ElNono]

It's why you need zinc and a zinc ionophore.

Sure, but we don't quite control ionophores right now in a way that allows us to target specific cancers or viruses, otherwise, it would be great news. Not only against covid, but aids and a bunch of other viruses too.

That's why most of our modern antiviral drug designs target enzymes and/or proteins created by the virus but not humans, and suppresses them so they cannot attach to cells. Viruses cannot replicate on their own, they need to attach to a cell to replicate themselves.

I'm not a molecular biologist (my older sister is), but go check if what I'm saying is wrong. I'd love we would make a leap in antiviral treatments, but this is what things look like right now.

[ElNono]

tbh, there's still masks here in stock if anybody needs them:

https://lollicupstore.com/karat-face-mask-with-elastic-ear-loop-50-pcs.html

[ChumpDumper]

Got my (probably expired) Asian stuff, thanks.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41GacszvYXL._SY355_.jpg

Meant that to be an edit....

[DarrinS]

Sure, but we don't quite control ionophores right now in a way that allows us to target specific cancers or viruses, otherwise, it would be great news. Not only against covid, but aids and a bunch of other viruses too.

That's why most of our modern antiviral drug designs target enzymes and/or proteins created by the virus but not humans, and suppresses them so they cannot attach to cells. Viruses cannot replicate on their own, they need to attach to a cell to replicate themselves.

I'm not a molecular biologist (my older sister is), but go check if what I'm saying is wrong. I'd love we would make a leap in antiviral treatments, but this is what things look like right now.

Don't know why you keep bringing up AIDS.

If something very simple severely hindered this virus replication, wouldn't that be a good thing?

[DarrinS]

Apparently letting your glasses air dry after putting them in soapy water cuts down on the fog. Will try it next time I go out.

Thanks for the tip. I'll try next time.

[ElNono]

Don't know why you keep bringing up AIDS.

If something very simple severely hindered this virus replication, wouldn't that be a good thing?

Because AIDS comes HIV, which also happens to be a virus, and one that happens to be also killed rapidly by zinc in lab tests. Zinc as an antiviral isn't specific to covid, it actually applies to a number of viruses. Same with disinfectants, and even soap.

The fact that we haven't been able to turn that into neither a strong therapy or a cure for other viruses is what I'm calling attention to. We would need a scientific leap for that to happen (and I hope it happens), but we gotta be honest, we've not been able to do so yet, and for many decades now.

[apalisoc_9]

Because AIDS comes HIV, which also happens to be a virus, and one that happens to be also killed rapidly by zinc in lab tests. Zinc as an antiviral isn't specific to covid, it actually applies to a number of viruses. Same with disinfectants, and even soap.

The fact that we haven't been able to turn that into neither a strong therapy or a cure for other viruses is what I'm calling attention to. We would need a scientific leap for that to happen (and I hope it happens), but we gotta be honest, we've not been able to do so yet, and for many decades now.

For cures.

HIV is an RNA virus though it's a completely different form of virus that acts differently once in the body.

I've been following multiples Vaccination programs over years and the issue is really the lack of funding/attention. We need to move at a rapid pace to create vaccinations, but the lack of attention/funding really limits these viruses to trying 1-2 potential vaccines in 4-5 year span. That's just ridiclous.

The issue is that the biggest pharmacies developed treatments that makes vaccinations economic suicide so its really smaller labs, univeristies that don't have the funding to do their trials in a 2-3 year period.

Take Korwhat HSV2 for example. Some of the promising vaccines has been on the works for 10 years....

I'm positive Corona would take less than 3 years to find a vaccine for two reasons

1. We're skipping clinical phases. Many are doing human testing without even testing the safety of a drug...And that's fine i suppose in time of need
2. There is no economic loss to any of these big pharma if they do develop a vaccine since there is no treament that generates billions.

[ElNono]

For cures.

HIV is an RNA virus though it's a completely different form of virus that acts differently once in the body.

I've been following multiples Vaccination programs over years and the issue is really the lack of funding/attention. We need to move at a rapid pace to create vaccinations, but the lack of attention/funding really limits these viruses to trying 1-2 potential vaccines in 4-5 year span. That's just ridiclous.

The issue is that the biggest pharmacies developed treatments that makes vaccinations economic suicide so its really smaller labs, univeristies that don't have the funding to do their trials in a 2-3 year period.

Take Korwhat HSV2 for example. Some of the promising vaccines has been on the works for 10 years....

I'm positive Corona would take less than 3 years to find a vaccine for two reasons

1. We're skipping clinical phases. Many are doing human testing without even testing the safety of a drug...And that's fine i suppose in time of need
2. There is no economic loss to any of these big pharma if they do develop a vaccine since there is no treament that generates billions.

Don't disagree, but we also have to add that part of the disincentive is that the virus mutates over time, and the current approach does show some limitations in dealing with that. Once the virus stopped producing the enzyme you were targeting, you have to start all over again.

That's why there's plenty of research on alternative means to actually target viruses or even tumors. Lots of promising stuff with genetic engineering, but not quite there yet for mainstream adoption.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1254626873629343746?s=19

^the blue state thingy

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1254622157612580864?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1254626873629343746?s=19

^the blue state thingyHer nurse friend says it's totes murder but doesn't want to actually stop it lest she lose her sweet NY job.

[Reck]

Chris if you want to play that game, why isn’t Texas releasing their nursing home numbers? I’m sure everything is fine. Open up baby.

[picnroll]

The world's largest vaccine maker is producing 40 million units of a coronavirus vaccine on trial in Oxford, without yet knowing if it works

https://www.businessinsider.com/india-serum-institute-millions-oxford-university-vaccine-before-approval-2020-4

[monosylab1k]

https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/ec2aeba/2147483647/thumbnail/640x420/quality/85/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2F8f%2F1b %2F4f9720bc4fb6a17c79bc3d1705f4%2F200424-vaccines-editorial.jpg
:lmao found Chris

[baseline bum]

https://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/ec2aeba/2147483647/thumbnail/640x420/quality/85/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.beam.usnews.com%2F8f%2F1b %2F4f9720bc4fb6a17c79bc3d1705f4%2F200424-vaccines-editorial.jpg
:lmao found Chris

Trumptards gonna stop us from herd immunity even when we have a vaccine :pctoss

[boutons_deux]

Trumptards gonna stop us from herd immunity even when we have a vaccine :pctoss

herd immunity is achieved by 90%+ vaccination, NOT by 90%+ infection.

[slick'81]

Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid

[Reck]

Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid

Pence says we’ll have this covid nonsense all behind us by Memorial Day.

Bossin”

[boutons_deux]

Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid

to achieve herd immunity for Sweden's 10M herd, at very least 30% must be infected, but Sweden has less than 20K cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

[boutons_deux]

What I’ve Learned Treating Patients Suffering From COVID-19

This disease is like nothing I have ever seen in my career

a critical care medicine specialist,

I am used to seeing the sickest of the sick.

I am used to seeing patients with respiratory failure.

I am used to seeing patients in shock.

I am used to seeing patients gasping for air, with dangerously low oxygen levels.

I am used to seeing patients in kidney failure.

Never, however, have I seen patients as sick as those with COVID-19.

https://medium.com/@drhassaballa/what-ive-learned-treating-patients-suffering-from-covid-19-41adc282e973 (https://medium.com/@drhassaballa/what-ive-learned-treating-patients-suffering-from-covid-19-41adc282e973)

[hater]

Sweeden claims it will have herd immunity by the end of may. Meanwhile new zeland claims they have defeated covid

NZ is barely moving to level 3 lockdown. (basically similar to US lockdown) they will stay at level 3 for a while

so no they have not defeated anything

[CosmicCowboy]

And a lot of the Chinese "protective gear" everyone is buying sucks...

Even by the Chinese government’s own numbers, they’re producing jaw-dropping quantities of medical equipment that aren’t up to the right standards: “As of last Friday, China’s market regulators had inspected nearly 16 million businesses and seized more than 89 million masks and 418,000 pieces of protective gear, said Ms Gan Lin, deputy director of the State Administration of Market Regulation, at a press briefing.”

And that’s just the stuff they’re catching before it goes out the door.

Almost every country that is dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak has ordered masks, tests, or personal protective equipment from China, only to open the boxes and find that the deliveries are unusable. In some cases, the equipment was distributed and used before the poor quality was discovered — offering false protection to medical personnel and exacerbating the spread of the virus instead of mitigating it.

Let’s begin closest to home, in Missouri: “Approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that were distributed to Missouri’s first responders are being recalled. The Missouri State Emergency Management Agency said it is recalling approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that ‘do not meet standards.’ SEMA said the recalled masks may bear the names ‘Huabai,’ ‘SANQUI,’ or be unmarked, with Chinese characters on the cellophane packaging, or other names.”

Spin a globe, point your finger, and when the globe stops, there’s a good chance it will reach a country that received defective equipment when it needed functioning gear and tests the most.

India tested nearly a half a million people before they realized that they can’t be certain that the tests they had obtained from China aren’t giving accurate results:

According to the sources, teams constituted by ICMR are analysing the rapid antibody test kits, procured from two Chinese firms, to check their efficacy after some states reported that they are faulty and giving inaccurate results.

The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) on Tuesday had advised states to stop using the rapid antibody test kits for the next two days after it received complaints from states that they are not fully effective.

“We have received complaint from one state and so far discussed the issue with three states. High variations ranging from 6 to 71 percent have been reported between the results of the rapid tests and RT-PCR tests. We will advise states not to use these testing kits for the next two days,” Dr Raman R Gangakhedkar, head of epidemiology and communicable diseases at the ICMR.

Spain has all kinds of horror stories, one of which is finding that a huge batch of tests was faulty — a batch that was sent to replace a previous shipment of faulty tests:

The Spanish government is trying to get back the money it paid for 640,000 antigen coronavirus tests that it purchased via a Spanish distributor from a Chinese company called Bioeasy. The move comes after the health authorities found that the kits – which were meant to replace another lot that was found to be faulty – don’t work either. As happened the first time around, these tests do not have the sensitivity required to detect the virus, meaning that there is a high chance that they won’t detect the coronavirus in a person who has been infected.

Spain had distributed 180,000 tests to be used on health-care workers and the elderly living in nursing homes . . . before finding out the error rate was so high, the test results were meaningless.

The Spanish Health Ministry had to recall more than 350,000 defective masks.

After the defective masks were discovered, more than 100 health workers were forced to go into isolation as the pandemic raged through the country.

The General Hospital of Alicante, Spain found cockroaches in a shipment of protective gowns.

Belgium: “The University Hospital of Leuven (UZ Leuven) refused a shipment of 3,000 masks from China because the equipment was not reliable enough, Herman Devrieze, head of the prevention department at UZ Leuven, told local TV station ROBtv on Sunday evening.”

In the Netherlands:

The Dutch government has ordered a recall of around 600,000 masks out of a shipment of 1.3 million from China after they failed to meet quality standards. The defective masks had already been distributed to several hospitals currently battling the COVID-19 outbreak, news agency AFP and Dutch media reported. The Dutch Health Ministry has kept the rest of the shipment on hold.

An inspection revealed that the FFP2 masks did not protect the face properly or had defective filter membranes. The fine filters stop the virus from entering the mouth or nose. The masks failed more than one inspection.

“A second test also revealed that the masks did not meet the quality norms. Now it has been decided not to use any of this shipment,” said the Health Ministry said in a statement to news agency AFP.

In Austria, more masks that aren’t so protective: “A large delivery of FFP2 and FFP3 protective masks destined for South Tyrol, which were procured from China with the help of a sporting goods manufacturer and which were first transported to Vienna-Schwechat with an AUA machine, cannot be used . . . The Red Cross was taken aback during a visual inspection of the masks because gaps were visible in the area of ​​the cheeks.” The order was for 500,000 masks.

United Kingdom: “Found to be insufficiently accurate by a laboratory at Oxford University, half a million of the tests are now gathering dust in storage. Another 1.5 million bought at a similar price from other sources have also gone unused. The fiasco has left embarrassed British officials scrambling to get back at least some of the money.”

The Czech Republic: Doctors found an error rate of up to 80 percent in the tests they received from China. “Health-care authorities and some government members said the 300,000 quick tests purchased by the state only worked if patients had been infected for at least five days.”

Turkey: “Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca confirmed later on Friday that Turkey had tried some rapid antigen tests arrived from China, but authorities ‘weren’t happy about them . . . We didn’t release them for public use.’ Koca also said that Turkey had received a different and viable testing kits that are based on antibodies from China. ‘We have 350,000 of them now,’ he said. A member of the Turkish health ministry special science board on coronavirus said that the batch of testing kits were only 30 to 35 percent accurate.”

Slovakia: “The 1.2 million Chinese antibody tests that the Slovak government bought from local middlemen for 15 million euros ($16 million) are inaccurate and unable to detect COVID-19 in its early stages, according to Prime Minister Igor Matovic, who only took office last month. ‘We have a ton and no use for them,’ he said. They should ‘just be thrown straight into the Danube.’”

Canada: “The Canadian government says about one million of the face masks it has purchased from China have failed to meet proper standards for health care professionals and will not be distributed to provinces or cities . . . [Separately], the City of Toronto announced in early April it was recalling more than 60,000 faulty surgical masks made in China and provided to staff at long-term care facilities, and is investigating whether caregivers were exposed to COVID-19 while wearing the equipment. The masks were distributed and then recalled after reports of ripping and tearing.”

Australia: “The ABC has learnt that in recent weeks, Australian Border Force (ABF) officers have intercepted several deliveries of personal protective equipment (PPE) that have been found to be counterfeit or otherwise faulty. One law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, estimated the ABF had already seized 800,000 masks with a combined value of more than $1.2 million on the Australian market.”

The government of Georgia — the nation, not the state between South Carolina and Florida — canceled a contract for up to 200,000 rapid tests after concluding they weren’t reliable.

Finland found two million masks ordered from China were unusable, and the head of the country’s emergency supply agency resigned. That country ordered its masks from “a payday lender and reality TV star” in China.

Nepal determined that the 75,000 rapid diagnostic tests they had ordered from China were so faulty they were unusable.

Finally, one Pakistani news channel says that hospitals in that country opened up boxes of masks from China, only to find they had been made out of . . . underwear.

Add up all of these accounts and you get 10,276,000 faulty tests, masks, and pieces of personal protective equipment. And these are just the ones we know about. The stuff that was visibly unusable right out of the box, while frustrating, is the least damaging. It’s the tests that showed negative when they were positive and the non-protective masks given out to health-care workers that are catastrophic.

On March 30, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunyin contended that the coverage of the faulty equipment was driven by political agendas. “Our sincerity and assistance is real. If problems occur in this process, the Chinese side will talk to relevant departments. Problems should be properly solved based on facts, not political interpretations.”

On January 23, China stopped all public transportation in Wuhan and all outbound flights. On February 3, China’s civil aviation authority urged domestic carriers to continue flying international routes. The country knew they had an outbreak of a contagious disease but made sure its citizens were still traveling the world.

Then, as the outbreak accelerated, China was there to sell the suffering countries medical equipment — “demanding yes-or-no decisions from buyers with full payment upfront in as little as 24 hours.”

In the Wall Street Journal, Spanish writer Jorge González-Gallarza Hernández thinks it is time for countries to ban imports of medical equipment from China, arguing that the complete lack of quality control makes their exports a menace to public health: “Because no other country matches China in the sale of defective equipment — and at a time when Beijing boasts about recovering from Covid-19 — countries facing steep contagion curves should err on the side of caution and look for the best equipment elsewhere. For all Beijing’s lofty talk of wanting to help the world, it has no export-restriction system to prevent the foreign sale of shoddy equipment.”

[hater]

further mutation might be in the works

more and more children falling sick

https://twitter.com/PICSociety/status/1254508725227982848?s=20

[boutons_deux]

" countries facing steep contagion curves should err on the side of caution and look for the best equipment elsewhere. "

look where?

who is producing quality PPE in the needed quantities?

Had Trash and his mafiya inventoried PPE in USA in January with Americans at WHO and the military warned about the pandemic to hit USA, and found quality PPE lacking, he could have used DPA to order companies to produce PPE.

Trash also refused 60K C19 tests from WHO then the Trash CDC produced a bunch of shit tests

Trash OWNS the Trash Pandemic

[baseline bum]

herd immunity is achieved by 90%+ vaccination, NOT by 90%+ infection.

Yeah we'll have 60-70% who decide to vaccinate once it's available.

[baseline bum]

NZ is barely moving to level 3 lockdown. (basically similar to US lockdown) they will stay at level 3 for a while

so no they have not defeated anything

New Zealand is a nation run by responsible adults who value human life. The US just wants to stop paying unemployment. New Zealand is a civilized country. We're a failed shithole.

[vy65]

I've asked before, and I'll ask again: does anyone think that the administration has done a good job responding to the pandemic? Can anyone defend what DJT has done without complaining about Democrats/China/etc...?

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1254622157612580864?s=19
Isn’t that what you say about planned parenthood?

[baseline bum]

I've asked before, and I'll ask again: does anyone think that the administration has done a good job responding to the pandemic? Can anyone defend what DJT has done without complaining about Democrats/China/etc...?

Well the GOP response was to stop some travel from China and sell off stock. They did a Great Job.

[Winehole23]

Maybe we shouldn't get hopes up too high for a vaccine, for similar reasons that we're not holding our breath for vaccines for the common cold.

1252698979285991424

[DMC]

And a lot of the Chinese "protective gear" everyone is buying sucks...

Even by the Chinese government’s own numbers, they’re producing jaw-dropping quantities of medical equipment that aren’t up to the right standards: “As of last Friday, China’s market regulators had inspected nearly 16 million businesses and seized more than 89 million masks and 418,000 pieces of protective gear, said Ms Gan Lin, deputy director of the State Administration of Market Regulation, at a press briefing.”

And that’s just the stuff they’re catching before it goes out the door.

Almost every country that is dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak has ordered masks, tests, or personal protective equipment from China, only to open the boxes and find that the deliveries are unusable. In some cases, the equipment was distributed and used before the poor quality was discovered — offering false protection to medical personnel and exacerbating the spread of the virus instead of mitigating it.

Let’s begin closest to home, in Missouri: “Approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that were distributed to Missouri’s first responders are being recalled. The Missouri State Emergency Management Agency said it is recalling approximately 48,000 KN95 masks that ‘do not meet standards.’ SEMA said the recalled masks may bear the names ‘Huabai,’ ‘SANQUI,’ or be unmarked, with Chinese characters on the cellophane packaging, or other names.”

Spin a globe, point your finger, and when the globe stops, there’s a good chance it will reach a country that received defective equipment when it needed functioning gear and tests the most.

India tested nearly a half a million people before they realized that they can’t be certain that the tests they had obtained from China aren’t giving accurate results:

According to the sources, teams constituted by ICMR are analysing the rapid antibody test kits, procured from two Chinese firms, to check their efficacy after some states reported that they are faulty and giving inaccurate results.

The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) on Tuesday had advised states to stop using the rapid antibody test kits for the next two days after it received complaints from states that they are not fully effective.

“We have received complaint from one state and so far discussed the issue with three states. High variations ranging from 6 to 71 percent have been reported between the results of the rapid tests and RT-PCR tests. We will advise states not to use these testing kits for the next two days,” Dr Raman R Gangakhedkar, head of epidemiology and communicable diseases at the ICMR.

Spain has all kinds of horror stories, one of which is finding that a huge batch of tests was faulty — a batch that was sent to replace a previous shipment of faulty tests:

The Spanish government is trying to get back the money it paid for 640,000 antigen coronavirus tests that it purchased via a Spanish distributor from a Chinese company called Bioeasy. The move comes after the health authorities found that the kits – which were meant to replace another lot that was found to be faulty – don’t work either. As happened the first time around, these tests do not have the sensitivity required to detect the virus, meaning that there is a high chance that they won’t detect the coronavirus in a person who has been infected.

Spain had distributed 180,000 tests to be used on health-care workers and the elderly living in nursing homes . . . before finding out the error rate was so high, the test results were meaningless.

The Spanish Health Ministry had to recall more than 350,000 defective masks.

After the defective masks were discovered, more than 100 health workers were forced to go into isolation as the pandemic raged through the country.

The General Hospital of Alicante, Spain found cockroaches in a shipment of protective gowns.

Belgium: “The University Hospital of Leuven (UZ Leuven) refused a shipment of 3,000 masks from China because the equipment was not reliable enough, Herman Devrieze, head of the prevention department at UZ Leuven, told local TV station ROBtv on Sunday evening.”

In the Netherlands:

The Dutch government has ordered a recall of around 600,000 masks out of a shipment of 1.3 million from China after they failed to meet quality standards. The defective masks had already been distributed to several hospitals currently battling the COVID-19 outbreak, news agency AFP and Dutch media reported. The Dutch Health Ministry has kept the rest of the shipment on hold.

An inspection revealed that the FFP2 masks did not protect the face properly or had defective filter membranes. The fine filters stop the virus from entering the mouth or nose. The masks failed more than one inspection.

“A second test also revealed that the masks did not meet the quality norms. Now it has been decided not to use any of this shipment,” said the Health Ministry said in a statement to news agency AFP.

In Austria, more masks that aren’t so protective: “A large delivery of FFP2 and FFP3 protective masks destined for South Tyrol, which were procured from China with the help of a sporting goods manufacturer and which were first transported to Vienna-Schwechat with an AUA machine, cannot be used . . . The Red Cross was taken aback during a visual inspection of the masks because gaps were visible in the area of ​​the cheeks.” The order was for 500,000 masks.

United Kingdom: “Found to be insufficiently accurate by a laboratory at Oxford University, half a million of the tests are now gathering dust in storage. Another 1.5 million bought at a similar price from other sources have also gone unused. The fiasco has left embarrassed British officials scrambling to get back at least some of the money.”

The Czech Republic: Doctors found an error rate of up to 80 percent in the tests they received from China. “Health-care authorities and some government members said the 300,000 quick tests purchased by the state only worked if patients had been infected for at least five days.”

Turkey: “Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca confirmed later on Friday that Turkey had tried some rapid antigen tests arrived from China, but authorities ‘weren’t happy about them . . . We didn’t release them for public use.’ Koca also said that Turkey had received a different and viable testing kits that are based on antibodies from China. ‘We have 350,000 of them now,’ he said. A member of the Turkish health ministry special science board on coronavirus said that the batch of testing kits were only 30 to 35 percent accurate.”

Slovakia: “The 1.2 million Chinese antibody tests that the Slovak government bought from local middlemen for 15 million euros ($16 million) are inaccurate and unable to detect COVID-19 in its early stages, according to Prime Minister Igor Matovic, who only took office last month. ‘We have a ton and no use for them,’ he said. They should ‘just be thrown straight into the Danube.’”

Canada: “The Canadian government says about one million of the face masks it has purchased from China have failed to meet proper standards for health care professionals and will not be distributed to provinces or cities . . . [Separately], the City of Toronto announced in early April it was recalling more than 60,000 faulty surgical masks made in China and provided to staff at long-term care facilities, and is investigating whether caregivers were exposed to COVID-19 while wearing the equipment. The masks were distributed and then recalled after reports of ripping and tearing.”

Australia: “The ABC has learnt that in recent weeks, Australian Border Force (ABF) officers have intercepted several deliveries of personal protective equipment (PPE) that have been found to be counterfeit or otherwise faulty. One law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, estimated the ABF had already seized 800,000 masks with a combined value of more than $1.2 million on the Australian market.”

The government of Georgia — the nation, not the state between South Carolina and Florida — canceled a contract for up to 200,000 rapid tests after concluding they weren’t reliable.

Finland found two million masks ordered from China were unusable, and the head of the country’s emergency supply agency resigned. That country ordered its masks from “a payday lender and reality TV star” in China.

Nepal determined that the 75,000 rapid diagnostic tests they had ordered from China were so faulty they were unusable.

Finally, one Pakistani news channel says that hospitals in that country opened up boxes of masks from China, only to find they had been made out of . . . underwear.

Add up all of these accounts and you get 10,276,000 faulty tests, masks, and pieces of personal protective equipment. And these are just the ones we know about. The stuff that was visibly unusable right out of the box, while frustrating, is the least damaging. It’s the tests that showed negative when they were positive and the non-protective masks given out to health-care workers that are catastrophic.

On March 30, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunyin contended that the coverage of the faulty equipment was driven by political agendas. “Our sincerity and assistance is real. If problems occur in this process, the Chinese side will talk to relevant departments. Problems should be properly solved based on facts, not political interpretations.”

On January 23, China stopped all public transportation in Wuhan and all outbound flights. On February 3, China’s civil aviation authority urged domestic carriers to continue flying international routes. The country knew they had an outbreak of a contagious disease but made sure its citizens were still traveling the world.

Then, as the outbreak accelerated, China was there to sell the suffering countries medical equipment — “demanding yes-or-no decisions from buyers with full payment upfront in as little as 24 hours.”

In the Wall Street Journal, Spanish writer Jorge González-Gallarza Hernández thinks it is time for countries to ban imports of medical equipment from China, arguing that the complete lack of quality control makes their exports a menace to public health: “Because no other country matches China in the sale of defective equipment — and at a time when Beijing boasts about recovering from Covid-19 — countries facing steep contagion curves should err on the side of caution and look for the best equipment elsewhere. For all Beijing’s lofty talk of wanting to help the world, it has no export-restriction system to prevent the foreign sale of shoddy equipment.”

How different is that than status quo shit from China?

[DarrinS]

Maybe we shouldn't get hopes up too high for a vaccine, for similar reasons that we're not holding our breath for vaccines for the common cold.




That's why I'm more interested in therapeutics

[DMC]

That's why I'm more interested in therapeutics

Last year was the first time in my life I actually got a flu shot (don't recall getting one in the military, not certain though). Never had any symptoms of the flu, ever.

[Splits]

I've asked before, and I'll ask again: does anyone think that the administration has done a good job responding to the pandemic? Can anyone defend what DJT has done without complaining about Democrats/China/etc...?

When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.

[DarrinS]

Last year was the first time in my life I actually got a flu shot (don't recall getting one in the military, not certain though). Never had any symptoms of the flu, ever.

I haven't had the flu in over a decade. But, I work at home and rarely have to travel.

[hater]

When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.

the US does have a 3rd world healthcare system tbqh

not even Obama on PCP woulda been able to save us

[Reck]

That's why I'm more interested in therapeutics

You're more interested in putting on a band aid than an actual cure? Brave

[hater]

You're more interested in putting on a band aid than an actual cure? Brave

there is no cure. this is a virus

a vaccine would be the only hope but looks like this virus is not a good fit for a vaccine

so we might be fucked

[midnightpulp]

the US does have a 3rd world healthcare system tbqh

not even Obama on PCP woulda been able to save us

1st world healthcare system (best hospitals in the world, research, most ICU beds per capita in the world), but 3rd world application of it because it's all about profit.

[DMC]

I haven't had the flu in over a decade. But, I work at home and rarely have to travel.

Being in the pool while on a conference call is pretty sweet.

[DMC]

1st world healthcare system (best hospitals in the world, research, most ICU beds per capita in the world), but 3rd world application of it because it's all about profit.

You credited profit motive for application but what do you credit for "best in the world" for the things you mentioned? Would that also be profit motive?

[Splits]

You credited profit motive for application but what do you credit for "best in the world" for the things you mentioned? Would that also be profit motive?

I'm guessing the former is because of massive investment and still extremely high costs to fund universities where most of those things stem from. The latter is because it is distributed through private insurance companies.

[vy65]

When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.

Exactly. But I find it funny that no cultists are chomping at the bit in responding to me to show how great of a job their Jim Jones has done.

[Splits]

Exactly. But I find it funny that no cultists are chomping at the bit in responding to me to show how great of a job their Jim Jones has done.

They're mostly mathematically and computer illiterate (Dale), or dumb as fuck (the rest of them you find in TGW mentions)

[DarrinS]

You're more interested in putting on a band aid than an actual cure? Brave

I guess you don't mind waiting two years (or more).

We need something similar to Tamiflu, but for covid.

[phxspurfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1iCZpFMYd0

:lol

[vy65]

https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/economy-and-jobs/#

:lol


U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth has soared under President Trump, topping 3% in 4 quarters under his administration.


President Trump is unleashing economic growth and jobs. Since his election, the Trump administration’s pro-growth policies have generated 6 million new jobs, the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest point in 50 years, and wages have grown at more than 3% for 10 months in a row.


President Trump has worked to improve access to affordable quality health care.


President Trump is modernizing the United States military to meet the security needs of the 21st century.

So many L's

[DMC]

Exactly. But I find it funny that no cultists are chomping at the bit in responding to me to show how great of a job their Jim Jones has done.

Not a valid metric when the most populous countries by far aren't reporting accurately. Don't use bullshit numbers to prove a point.

[DMC]

When you have 4% of the world's population, yet 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths, there is no metric which says the US did a good job.

This is the problem with reporting COVID numbers. Some countries don't want to be called out so they don't report accurately then someone like you uses the reported numbers as if they are factual when making value judgments. That totally ignores these lying governments, which is what they want. Good job propping up Xi.

[ElNono]

Maybe we shouldn't get hopes up too high for a vaccine, for similar reasons that we're not holding our breath for vaccines for the common cold.

1252698979285991424

Looks like we might have a working vaccine by September...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

[picnroll]

In the worldwide race for a vaccine to stop the coronavirus, the laboratory sprinting fastest is at Oxford University.

Most other teams have had to start with small clinical trials of a few hundred participants to demonstrate safety. But scientists at the university’s Jenner Institute had a running start on a vaccine, having proved in previous trials that similar inoculations — including one last year against an earlier coronavirus — were harmless to humans.

That has enabled them to leap ahead and schedule tests of their new coronavirus vaccine involving more than 6,000 people by the end of next month, hoping to show not only that it is safe, but also that it works.

The Oxford scientists now say that with an emergency approval from regulators, the first few million doses of their vaccine could be available by September — at least several months ahead of any of the other announced efforts — if it proves to be effective.

Now, they have received promising news suggesting that it might.

Scientists at the National Institutes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quantities of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test.

“The rhesus macaque is pretty much the closest thing we have to humans,” Dr. Munster said, noting that scientists were still analyzing the result. He said he expected to share it with other scientists next week and then submit it to a peer-reviewed journal.

Immunity in monkeys is no guarantee that a vaccine will provide the same degree of protection for humans. A Chinese company that recently started a clinical trial with 144 participants, SinoVac, has also said that its vaccine was effective in rhesus macaques. But with dozens of efforts now underway to find a vaccine, the monkey results are the latest indication that Oxford’s accelerated venture is emerging as a bellwether.

“It is a very, very fast clinical program,” said Emilio Emini, a director of the vaccine program at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is providing financial support to many competing efforts.

More at link

https://apple.news/AgghmFWDJT9eRil2JgCnofA
Again this is the one to bet on.

[hater]

This is the problem with reporting COVID numbers. Some countries don't want to be called out so they don't report accurately then someone like you uses the reported numbers as if they are factual when making value judgments. That totally ignores these lying governments, which is what they want. Good job propping up Xi.

“maybe they are not reporting numbers”

this is a sad excuse to bring up when your mighty country is getting sodomized by a flu bug tbqh

[ElNono]

This is the problem with reporting COVID numbers. Some countries don't want to be called out so they don't report accurately then someone like you uses the reported numbers as if they are factual when making value judgments. That totally ignores these lying governments, which is what they want. Good job propping up Xi.

What's the evidence of this massive number manipulation? One could infer China given their dictatorial government, but everyone else?

[DMC]

What's the evidence of this massive number manipulation? One could infer China given their dictatorial government, but everyone else?

Thinking China and Russia

So remove China's population from the world total, remove North Korea, remove Russia, remove other non-reporting nations...

Then make a value judgment based on those metrics.

[ElNono]

Thinking China and Russia

And North Korea... sure... however, that doesn't mean the rest isn't reporting accurately (or at least as accurately as the US is)

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94640843_10217040973792738_7419920195591864320_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=1WK9Eyivme4AX_mC4jY&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=c43f6f4217c0b8cbdb37d8cd7aa57029&oe=5ECB3F51

[Splits]

Looks like we might have a working vaccine by September...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

As I've been saying, pay attention to how you can manufacture a billion doses.

[baseline bum]

https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/economy-and-jobs/#

:lol

So many L's

Think that will be updated to unemployment rate highest in 85 years?

[vy65]

Not a valid metric when the most populous countries by far aren't reporting accurately. Don't use bullshit numbers to prove a point.

Can you answer the question without spouting conspiracies about South Korea?

[spurraider21]

Being in the pool while on a conference call is pretty sweet.
or on the toilet tbh

[DMC]

In the worldwide race for a vaccine to stop the coronavirus, the laboratory sprinting fastest is at Oxford University.

Most other teams have had to start with small clinical trials of a few hundred participants to demonstrate safety. But scientists at the university’s Jenner Institute had a running start on a vaccine, having proved in previous trials that similar inoculations — including one last year against an earlier coronavirus — were harmless to humans.

That has enabled them to leap ahead and schedule tests of their new coronavirus vaccine involving more than 6,000 people by the end of next month, hoping to show not only that it is safe, but also that it works.

The Oxford scientists now say that with an emergency approval from regulators, the first few million doses of their vaccine could be available by September — at least several months ahead of any of the other announced efforts — if it proves to be effective.

Now, they have received promising news suggesting that it might.

Scientists at the National Institutes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quantities of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test.

“The rhesus macaque is pretty much the closest thing we have to humans,” Dr. Munster said, noting that scientists were still analyzing the result. He said he expected to share it with other scientists next week and then submit it to a peer-reviewed journal.

Immunity in monkeys is no guarantee that a vaccine will provide the same degree of protection for humans. A Chinese company that recently started a clinical trial with 144 participants, SinoVac, has also said that its vaccine was effective in rhesus macaques. But with dozens of efforts now underway to find a vaccine, the monkey results are the latest indication that Oxford’s accelerated venture is emerging as a bellwether.

“It is a very, very fast clinical program,” said Emilio Emini, a director of the vaccine program at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is providing financial support to many competing efforts.

More at link

https://apple.news/AgghmFWDJT9eRil2JgCnofA
Again this is the one to bet on.

Oh snap, zombie

[Splits]

Thinking China and Russia

So remove China's population from the world total, remove North Korea, remove Russia, remove other non-reporting nations...

Then make a value judgment based on those metrics.

fine, that takes world population from 7.6 to 6 billion. US is still 5.5% of population with 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths.

[vy65]

Looks like we might have a working vaccine by September...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/world/europe/coronavirus-vaccine-update-oxford.html

Fantastic news

[DMC]

or on the toilet tbh

Except remember to mute while you flush, lol. I can usually tell if someone is in the loo during the call, the echo is obvious and most people have tile.

[DMC]

fine, that takes world population from 7.6 to 6 billion. US is still 5.5% of population with 1/3 of reported covid cases and 1/4 of reported covid deaths.

Fify for honesty

[midnightpulp]

You credited profit motive for application but what do you credit for "best in the world" for the things you mentioned? Would that also be profit motive?

This argument will never, ever be convincing to me because the American military is obviously the most advanced military apparatus the world has ever known, responsible for God knows how many technological innovations over the past 70 years, and it is a "public service." Sure, the contractors are driven by profit, but the military's application isn't, at least in theory. If China invaded us tomorrow, there wouldn't be any bean counters examining if defending against that invasion would be "profitable." They would just do it. On the other hand, insurance companies examine the potential profitability of their patients.

I think our healthcare system should be modeled after national defense. Despite misuse of our national defense by neocon assholes (Irag and staying in Afghanistan for far too long), it's still the best in the world, and by far.

This is why "small Government" conservatives also make zero sense to me. Pretty much all of them fetishize our military when it's the biggest government program there is. "Small government" conservatives are Democratic socialists and don't even know it :lol

[ElNono]

As I've been saying, pay attention to how you can manufacture a billion doses.

Sure, but if we can at least leap past the clinical trials, that's a great start

[boutons_deux]

A Virginia preacher believed ‘God can heal anything.’

Then he caught coronavirus.

Landon Spradlin went to Mardi Gras to save souls.

He never made it home.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/04/27/pastor-landon-spradlin-coronavirus-death/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/04/27/pastor-landon-spradlin-coronavirus-death/)

Mark up another "soul" for Trash

[DMC]

This argument will never, ever be convincing to me because the American military is obviously the most advanced military apparatus the world has ever known, responsible for God knows how many technological innovations over the past 70 years, and it is a "public service." Sure, the contractors are driven by profit, but the military's application isn't, at least in theory. If China invaded us tomorrow, there wouldn't be any bean counters examining if defending against that invasion would be "profitable." They would just do it. On the other hand, insurance companies examine the potential profitability of their patients.

I think our healthcare system should be modeled after national defense. Despite misuse of our national defense by neocon assholes (Irag and staying in Afghanistan for far too long), it's still the best in the world, and by far.

This is why "small Government" conservatives also make zero sense to me. Pretty much all of them fetishize our military when it's the biggest government program there is. "Small government" conservatives are Democratic socialists and don't even know it :lol

You cannot dismiss technology in a great military. Why is the US military so powerful if not for their technology? Do you think a human being in Russia isn't as capable as one in the US?

The ability to sit on a ship miles offshore and launch tomahawks into cities surgically doesn't factor into the military might? Or the night capabilities, the stealth recon abilities due to AWACS and satellite feeds? Real time threat assessment from drones, with ability to put ordinance on targets unmanned?

Aircraft carriers launching thousands of sorties, nuclear subs that can do stealth insertions of tactical teams?


Sure..

The government part is something like Les Aspin putting SF into a hostile engagement in broad daylight in Mogadishu.

[Splits]

Sure, but if we can at least leap past the clinical trials, that's a great start

Yeah, I just don't think that's the hardest part, incredibly smart people dedicate their entire careers to researching vaccines. Vaccine R&D is much higher margin than antiviral treatments which was overwhelmingly underfunded pre-covid... I'm talking private not public R&D

[ElNono]

I think if there's one thing that's clear after this pandemic, is that there should definitely be a national interest in healthy working people. It doesn't mean healthcare is a "human right", it means that you can't separate a healthy economy from healthy workers.

As such, it's also pretty clear that the private sector and profit motive couldn't have handled this either (heck, they had to be bailed out). Maybe we need to do more on a day to day basis, so when the emergency comes around, we don't have to bail everybody out.

[ElNono]

Yeah, I just don't think that's the hardest part, incredibly smart people dedicate their entire careers to researching vaccines. Vaccine R&D is much higher margin than antiviral treatments which was overwhelmingly underfunded pre-covid... I'm talking private not public R&D

From what I read, we were supposed to get to the point of having a tested, working vaccine no earlier than next year, THEN start manufacturing. That's why I think this would be good news.

Obviously, your experience overrides anything I say on this topic.

[DMC]

Can you answer the question without spouting conspiracies about South Korea?

I'm talking about China and other populous nations. If you're going to use metrics for confirmation bias, you might want to make sure the numbers are accurate.

[DMC]

And North Korea... sure... however, that doesn't mean the rest isn't reporting accurately (or at least as accurately as the US is)

"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.""

You're comparing apples to oranges. Comparative data needs to be collected using one scheme, not dozens.

[baseline bum]

A Virginia preacher believed ‘God can heal anything.’

Then he caught coronavirus.

Landon Spradlin went to Mardi Gras to save souls.

He never made it home.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/04/27/pastor-landon-spradlin-coronavirus-death/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/04/27/pastor-landon-spradlin-coronavirus-death/)

Mark up another "soul" for Trash




God can't even wipe his own ass and you think he's curing COVID?

[Splits]

Fify for honesty

Outside of China or NK (lol 25m) it makes no sense to underreport. You build sympathy and get "western investment" the more devastated you were, at least if you aren't a mooslim country.

[pgardn]

The countries that should be trusted the most are those with a large press apparatus that is allowed to be critical of their government.
That basically means Western influenced governments.

"but, but that msm... "

[DMC]

Outside of China or NK (lol 25m) it makes no sense to underreport. You build sympathy and get "western investment" the more devastated you were, at least if you aren't a mooslim country.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

The reporting mechanism in the US (CDC) isn't duplicated worldwide.

When it is, we can compare data accurately. Why make a value judgment on shitty data? Just say you think the government is doing a shitty job, but you've probably said so already. No need for bullshit data to support your bias.

[baseline bum]

The countries that should be trusted the most are those with a large press apparatus that is allowed to be critical of their government.
That basically means Western influenced governments.

"but, but that msm... "

:lol

[midnightpulp]

You cannot dismiss technology in a great military. Why is the US military so powerful if not for their technology? Do you think a human being in Russia isn't as capable as one in the US?

The ability to sit on a ship miles offshore and launch tomahawks into cities surgically doesn't factor into the military might? Or the night capabilities, the stealth recon abilities due to AWACS and satellite feeds? Real time threat assessment from drones, with ability to put ordinance on targets unmanned?

Aircraft carriers launching thousands of sorties, nuclear subs that can do stealth insertions of tactical teams?


Sure..

Don't get this rebuttal. I'm saying exactly what you're saying. That the technology of the American military is unparalleled. And that technological might was achieved through a synthesis of private and public industry, resulting in "all Americans" basically owning that technology in a collective manner. If an enemy attacks us, that technology is deployed on behalf of everyone. The greatest American hospitals, doctors, and research is only "deployed" for those who can afford it. The American military protects both Jeff Bezos and the fast food worker, while Jeff Bezos can afford the Mayo Clinic, while the fast food worker has to settle for the local community hospital.

[DMC]

The countries that should be trusted the most are those with a large press apparatus that is allowed to be critical of their government.
That basically means Western influenced governments.

"but, but that msm... "

Non sequitur

Freedom of the press doesn't make MSM good.

[DMC]

Don't get this rebuttal. I'm saying exactly what you're saying. That the technology of the American military is unparalleled. And that technological might was achieved through a synthesis of private and public industry, resulting in "all Americans" basically owning that technology in a collective manner. If an enemy attacks us, that technology is deployed on behalf of everyone. The greatest American hospitals, doctors, and research is only "deployed" for those who can afford it. The American military protects both Jeff Bezos and the fast food worker, while Jeff Bezos can afford the Mayo Clinic, while the fast food worker has to settle for the local community hospital.

The government doesn't develop its own technology. That's done by private industry. This "synthesis" claim is just bullshit. It's supply and demand. I suppose the American public has synthesis with companies like AT&T that drove the implementation of fiber optic networks.

The military finds ways to use technology but that doesn't mean we couldn't exist without it. We have a powerful war machine because the ability to push our weight around globally is why we are a superpower, and that means increased wealth. It's always about increased wealth.

[ElNono]

"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.""

You're comparing apples to oranges. Comparative data needs to be collected using one scheme, not dozens.

AFAIK, we do somewhat the same here... we're just finding out last week that some people that died earlier Feb due to "hearth attack" had covid.

[ElNono]

The government doesn't develop its own technology. That's done by private industry. This "synthesis" claim is just bullshit. It's supply and demand. I suppose the American public has synthesis with companies like AT&T that drove the implementation of fiber optic networks.

The military finds ways to use technology but that doesn't mean we couldn't exist without it. We have a powerful war machine because the ability to push our weight around globally is why we are a superpower, and that means increased wealth. It's always about increased wealth.

But the private industry doesn't do it unless government foots the bill. It's simply not good economic business sense for the private industry to spend trillions of dollars on a fishing expedition. The symbiosis is inescapable.

There's simply a higher mission than bean counting on why we want the private sector to potentially waste money in order for the US to acquire top tech.

[vy65]

I'm talking about China and other populous nations. If you're going to use metrics for confirmation bias, you might want to make sure the numbers are accurate.

So the answer is no, you can't answer the question. Figured as much you couldn't.

[Splits]

From what I read, we were supposed to get to the point of having a tested, working vaccine no earlier than next year, THEN start manufacturing. That's why I think this would be good news.

Obviously, your experience overrides anything I say on this topic.

I think I posted this when it hit the wires, but yeah the vaccine is ahead of normal schedule.

1252524523230040070

[Splits]

Scientists at the National Institutes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory (https://www.niaid.nih.gov/about/rocky-mountain-overview) in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quantities of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test..

Barbaric. Can't we use Vegas or Georgia instead of the macaque?

[boutons_deux]

U.S. deaths soared in early weeks of pandemic, far exceeding number attributed to covid-19

An analysis of federal data for the first time estimates excess deaths --

the number beyond what would normally be expected -- during that period.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-stat/graphics/ai2html/graphic-virusdeathdata/ANV4FW4GYZGAJCHQAMRRPBBS5I/national-large.jpg?v=7

In the early weeks of the coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/) epidemic, the United States recorded an estimated

15,400 excess deaths,

nearly two times as many as were publicly attributed to covid-19 at the time

occurred during March and through April 4, a time when 8,128 coronavirus deaths were reported.

in any pandemic, higher-than-normal mortality is a starting point for scientists seeking to understand the full impact of the disease.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/covid-19-death-toll-undercounted/?arc404=true&utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

The Trump Pandemic, killing for people than Viet Nam

[boutons_deux]

God can't even wipe his own ass and you think he's curing COVID?

And God can't handle money. He's always broke, and always soliciting for more money

[ElNono]

Barbaric. Can't we use Vegas or Georgia instead of the macaque?

not really, cuz Bill Gates, demonic eyes, etc

[RandomGuy]

Non sequitur

Freedom of the press doesn't make MSM good.

By definition, it does.

Free markets of ideas are the only way to weed out bad information.

:lol liberal media bashing.

[baseline bum]

Don't get this rebuttal. I'm saying exactly what you're saying. That the technology of the American military is unparalleled. And that technological might was achieved through a synthesis of private and public industry, resulting in "all Americans" basically owning that technology in a collective manner. If an enemy attacks us, that technology is deployed on behalf of everyone. The greatest American hospitals, doctors, and research is only "deployed" for those who can afford it. The American military protects both Jeff Bezos and the fast food worker, while Jeff Bezos can afford the Mayo Clinic, while the fast food worker has to settle for the local community hospital.

Um, the American military sacrifices the lives of those fast food worker types.

[Spurs Homer]

56000 dead americans

but on the positive side-


HER EMAILS!!!

[LkrFan]

https://twitter.com/Jumpshot8/status/1254877390834024448?s=19

Lysol Zero :lol

[Reck]

We're now over 1 million cases. Yikes

[boutons_deux]

Um, the American military sacrifices the lives of those fast food worker types.

will Trump Pandemic and Trump Depression's unemployment drive people into the military, aka bottom-scraping employer of last resort?

[midnightpulp]

The government doesn't develop its own technology. That's done by private industry. This "synthesis" claim is just bullshit. It's supply and demand. I suppose the American public has synthesis with companies like AT&T that drove the implementation of fiber optic networks.

The military finds ways to use technology but that doesn't mean we couldn't exist without it. We have a powerful war machine because the ability to push our weight around globally is why we are a superpower, and that means increased wealth. It's always about increased wealth.

Sure, but it's for all citizens in general, even though some do profit more than others. Healthy citizens can lead to increased wealth just the same. The "there's more money in sickness than in health" only benefits the healthcare industry, not society at large. We all benefit from the reduced oil prices when we push our weight around, but we all don't benefit from reduced life expectancy. This is why the US is the sickest, most overmedicated, most psychologically troubled country in the OECD. Other countries and Eisenhower figured this out decades ago. But we're too brainwashed by the socialism word to change anything.

[midnightpulp]

Um, the American military sacrifices the lives of those fast food worker types.

I think you get the point I'm making. The conservative refrain against government run healthcare is that their interference will screw things up. This obviously makes no sense since the government runs their precious military, and despite some geopolitical fuckups, the American military has probably spawned more innovation than anything else over the past 60-70 years. So government isn't the obstacle to innovation and efficacy as these anti-socialists believe.

And if needed, we could make our own guns, tanks, planes right now, but can't make our own PPE and medicine :lol. Just shows you how the pursuit of profit doesn't have a national allegiance, while a government run program would be "forced" to. We ain't making F-35s in China.

[ChumpDumper]

Is DMC still whining about the South Koreans?:lol

[vy65]

Is DMC still whining about the South Koreans?:lol


https://media.phillyvoice.com/media/images/tumblr_mlp72jf4Ev1rvcvbio1_500.2e16d0ba.fill-735x490.jpg

[hater]

Is DMC still whining about the South Koreans?:lol

apparently South Koreans are basically warm climate North Koreans :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Is travelling from all over the country to give a minute of happy talk at the White House really necessary?

[Spurs Homer]

Is travelling from all over the country to give a minute of happy talk at the White House really necessary?

6-7 weeks ago - they already had this tap dance juggle backflip routine...


at that time they promised the SAME increased testing they are promising today...


wont ever happen

but sure- lets give trump airtime to lie to the country again...

[vy65]

WASHINGTON – The Trump administration unveiled a new strategy Monday to help states ramp up their capacity to test for coronavirus, claiming most of its work is done, according to new documents.

The two documents obtained by NBC News include a testing “overview” and a testing “blueprint.”

The first document, the testing overview, largely serves as a defense of the administration’s widely criticized handling of the coronavirus testing since the start of the epidemic. It outlines eight responsibilities that it says belong to the federal government, and claims to have already completed seven of these.

The other document, a testing “blueprint,” describes what it calls a “partnership” between states, the federal government and the private sector. The partnership it describes leaves the lion’s share of responsibility for funding, designing and executing a coronavirus testing plan to individual states.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/27/trump-coronavirus-strategy-white-house-claims-most-testing-groundwork-done.html

Fucking lol.

Still waiting on you fetal alcohol syndrome mouth breathing rednecks to come in here and spin this shit

[DMC]

Is DMC still whining about the South Koreans?:lol

I'm talking about the country with the highest global population.

Funny how facts are worthless to people who have agendas.

[DMC]

Sure, but it's for all citizens in general, even though some do profit more than others. Healthy citizens can lead to increased wealth just the same. The "there's more money in sickness than in health" only benefits the healthcare industry, not society at large. We all benefit from the reduced oil prices when we push our weight around, but we all don't benefit from reduced life expectancy. This is why the US is the sickest, most overmedicated, most psychologically troubled country in the OECD. Other countries and Eisenhower figured this out decades ago. But we're too brainwashed by the socialism word to change anything.

That's some trickle down philosophy tbh. Then you throw in socialism as a magical snake oil cure we are just afraid of.

[DMC]

I think you get the point I'm making. The conservative refrain against government run healthcare is that their interference will screw things up. This obviously makes no sense since the government runs their precious military, and despite some geopolitical fuckups, the American military has probably spawned more innovation than anything else over the past 60-70 years. So government isn't the obstacle to innovation and efficacy as these anti-socialists believe.

And if needed, we could make our own guns, tanks, planes right now, but can't make our own PPE and medicine :lol. Just shows you how the pursuit of profit doesn't have a national allegiance, while a government run program would be "forced" to. We ain't making F-35s in China.

A private military would be 100x more efficient than the one we have. It's just not economically feasible and not a good idea based on transfer of power.

Example: I was stationed on a base that was slotted for closure. The base had prior received permission for a name change. The base closed, but the government still spent the money to change the name of the base on all documents, on the entrances, exits and buildings, and to paint a different color scheme. All this on an abandoned military base. Private companies wouldn't be able to do that.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm talking about the country with the highest global population.

Funny how facts are worthless to people who have agendas.Exactly, your agenda is trying to convince everyone ROK is lying. The fact that is worthless to you is ROK isn't communist China.

[ChumpDumper]

6-7 weeks ago - they already had this tap dance juggle backflip routine...


at that time they promised the SAME increased testing they are promising today...


wont ever happen

but sure- lets give trump airtime to lie to the country again...This stupid motherfucker still doesn't know how tariffs work. Maybe he's being sarcastic.

[DMC]

AFAIK, we do somewhat the same here... we're just finding out last week that some people that died earlier Feb due to "hearth attack" had covid.

There are anecdotes but by and large we are doing what the Dr mentioned. Other countries are doing just the opposite - ignoring the COVID if they have pre-existing conditions. That's a double whammy.

[DMC]

Exactly, your agenda is trying to convince everyone ROK is lying. The fact that is worthless to you is ROK isn't communist China.

I said nothing about ROK here. You brought it up as a red herring.

Splits used bad data to form a value judgment conclusion. Just because you agree with the conclusion doesn't make the premises valid.

[ChumpDumper]

I said nothing about ROK here. You brought it up as a red herring.Do you think ROK is being honest about their case and death counts?

[DMC]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/27/trump-coronavirus-strategy-white-house-claims-most-testing-groundwork-done.html

Fucking lol.

Still waiting on you fetal alcohol syndrome mouth breathing rednecks to come in here and spin this shit

Good job laying it out. No defense needed since you just used incredulity as an argument.

[DMC]

Do you think ROK is being honest about their case and death counts?

No, but that's not my point in this discussion and I didn't bring it up. Their numbers wouldn't move the needle.

[ChumpDumper]

No.:lol

There's pretty strong evidence we've been underreporting all along.

[vy65]

Good job laying it out. No defense needed since you just used incredulity as an argument.

^^Uses lots of words to say nothing.

Why do you think the Trump administration is doing a good job?

[DMC]

No, but that's not my point in this discussion and I didn't bring it up. Their numbers wouldn't move the needle.


:lol

There's pretty strong evidence we've been underreporting all along.

Why are you dragging this into a discussion where it wasn't mentioned and why did you dissect the quote?

Rhetorical question, I already know the answer (you're a compulsive liar).

[DMC]

^^Uses lots of words to say nothing.

Why do you think the Trump administration is doing a good job?

What part do you disagree with and why? I don't need to write an assay to counter your ad hom and incredulity. Use your words.

[vy65]

What part do you disagree with and why? I don't need to write an assay to counter your ad hom and incredulity. Use your words.

So your defense of the Trump administration's coronavirus response is he did a good job in a memo? Is that your final answer?

You're not very good at being pithy. You should seriously consider stopping.

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you dragging this into a discussion where it wasn't mentioned and why did you dissect the quote?

Rhetorical question, I already know the answer (you're a compulsive liar).Frankly, I don't know what you're trying to argue. The US failed in its handing of the pandemic and Trump in particular failed. There is no way to sugar coat it. Other countries may have too but so what? We failed.

[hater]

Why are you dragging this into a discussion where it wasn't mentioned and why did you dissect the quote?

Rhetorical question, I already know the answer (you're a compulsive liar).

if we were testing and reporting real #s

you might have a point

we are doing neither so pointing at the drunk in the street corner while your house is burning down is pathetic

[vy65]

Guess DMC's done with his charts then?

[ChumpDumper]

if we were testing and reporting real #s Pence said we had the millions of tests Trump promised, we just couldn't process them SO JOKE'S ON YOU SNOWFLAKE PROMISES KEPT

[ChumpDumper]

The partial China ban is literally the only thing Trump can say he did before the shitstorm.

[vy65]

BaselineBum

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/27/coronavirus-antibodies-present-in-nearly-25-of-all-nyc-residents/

NYC antibody projection up 5% to 25%. Crazy to think this projects out to 2.5 million people.

[vy65]

The partial China ban is literally the only thing Trump can say he did before the shitstorm.

*Partial ban that didn't work

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Sons, Texas has lifted their stay-at-home order on May 1.

However, there is a "different" kind of pandemic to be aware of. One that has plagued this country since 1945.

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1405569899603.jpg

[DMC]

So the answer is no, you can't answer the question. Figured as much you couldn't.

You don't get to throw out all the reasons for an outcome and say "give me an assessment, but you cannot use these reasons".

I know you want to lodge a W here, but you can stick that up your ass.

[ChumpDumper]

*Partial ban that didn't workI'm not sure if admitting he got duped by Xi is the best tactic in Trump's "but China" strategy going forward.

[DMC]

*Partial ban that didn't work

You cannot use the impeachment fiasco that dragged on through January nor China's lies nor the xenophobia claims and lash back around travel bans.. explain why the government did a poor job. Go.

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus triggered a 'ruptured heart' in first reported US COVID-19 death

Autopsy of the first known COVID-19 death in the U.S. reveals odd cause of death.

an autopsy report shows that the virus had spread to Dowd's heart muscle, and the viral infection caused a valve in her heart to rupture, The Mercury News reported.

"The immune system (https://www.livescience.com/26579-immune-system.html) was attacking the virus and in attacking the virus, it damaged the heart and then the heart basically burst,"

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-death-ruputured-heart.html

[ChumpDumper]

Sons, Texas has lifted their stay-at-home order on May 1.

However, there is a "different" kind of pandemic to be aware of. One that has plagued this country since 1945.

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1405569899603.jpg?

[hater]

The partial China ban is literally the only thing Trump can say he did before the shitstorm.

equivalent to someone turning off the stove while kitchen burns down tbqh

I thought only inbred rednecks would think that was praiseworthy

[DarrinS]

The partial China ban is literally the only thing Trump can say he did before the shitstorm.

Alzheimer Joe wouldn't even have done that.

[DMC]

Guess DMC's done with his charts then?

You haven't offered even a modicum of rational discussion on it, just the same, tired ass salty rhetoric I can find everywhere else. I gave my opinion, I showed you why. I don't need to Boutons it in 400 threads.

[vy65]

You don't get to throw out all the reasons for an outcome and say "give me an assessment, but you cannot use these reasons".

I know you want to lodge a W here, but you can stick that up your ass.

I never said as much. I asked a simple question: can you defend Trump's coronavirus response? Certainly, looking at the results to date of said response is relevant evidence.

But again, you'd rather parse irrelevancies rather than give a straightforward response.

[ChumpDumper]

Alzheimer Joe wouldn't even have done that.He would've followed the playbook the Obama administration gifted Trump.

Trump is a miserable failure. Sorry you backed the wrong guy.

[vy65]

You cannot use the impeachment fiasco that dragged on through January nor China's lies nor the xenophobia claims and lash back around travel bans.. explain why the government did a poor job. Go.

Sure I can. He got elected to do a hard job. Part of that job is making unpopular decisions. Having hurt feelings over impeachment doesn't excuse him from doing the job he was purportedly elected to do.

[ChumpDumper]

You cannot use the impeachment fiasco that dragged on through January nor China's lies nor the xenophobia claims and lash back around travel bans.. explain why the government did a poor job. Go.Wait, are these your excuses for Trump's failure?

[boutons_deux]

E.R. doctor on 'front lines' of coronavirus fight in N.Y. dies by suicide

Dr. Lorna Breen was a "hero who brought the highest ideals of medicine to the challenging front lines of the emergency department," the hospital said in a statement.

A New York City emergency room doctor who was on the “front lines” of the fight against the coronavirus has died by suicide

“She tried to do her job, and it killed her,” he told The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/nyregion/new-york-city-doctor-suicide-coronavirus.html).

“She was truly in the trenches of the front line.”

He said his daughter seemed very detached of late and that

she had described some of the horrors she had witnessed at the hospital while battling the virus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/e-r-doctor-front-lines-coronavirus-fight-n-y-reportedly-n1193701 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/e-r-doctor-front-lines-coronavirus-fight-n-y-reportedly-n1193701)

How will Fox, OANN, Limbaugh, etc slander her?

[vy65]

You haven't offered even a modicum of rational discussion on it, just the same, tired ass salty rhetoric I can find everywhere else. I gave my opinion, I showed you why. I don't need to Boutons it in 400 threads.

I gave you evidence that China was not reporting its numbers accurately and argued that yours wasn't a like-for-like comparison. That's more than a modicum. Sorry it didn't take much to show your shit take was in fact a shit take.

[DarrinS]

I mean, besides Antarctica and remote islands, what countries managed to keep corona out?

[vy65]

I'd love to hear the rationale why impeachment prevented the government from developing an accurate test, ramping up testing capacity, being truthful with the public about virus spread and severity, etc...

[ChumpDumper]

I mean, besides Antarctica and remote islands, what countries managed to keep corona out?This is a straw man argument.

[vy65]

I mean, besides Antarctica and remote islands, what countries managed to keep corona out?

I'd rather be in SK or NZ's shoes right about now, wouldn't you?

[DMC]

I never said as much. I asked a simple question: can you defend Trump's coronavirus response? Certainly, looking at the results to date of said response is relevant evidence.

:lol sure you did.


I've asked before, and I'll ask again: does anyone think that the administration has done a good job responding to the pandemic? Can anyone defend what DJT has done without complaining about Democrats/China/etc...?

Ergo any reason you can just conveniently dismiss as whataboutism you've already preemptively discarded.

Has Cuomo done a good job? (you'll ignore this or point to one comment about "dithering" from weeks back)
What governor has done a good job with it?

Has anyone in the federal government done a good job with it?

Or do you think it's just Trump?


But again, you'd rather parse irrelevancies rather than give a straightforward response.

You call anything you disagree with "irrelevant". You don't really deserve an answer.

[DMC]

Sure I can. He got elected to do a hard job. Part of that job is making unpopular decisions. Having hurt feelings over impeachment doesn't excuse him from doing the job he was purportedly elected to do.

What did Donald do to New York to cause 22,000 deaths?

Why doesn't California have 22000 deaths?

[DMC]

I'd love to hear the rationale why impeachment prevented the government from developing an accurate test, ramping up testing capacity, being truthful with the public about virus spread and severity, etc...

Now Trump works at the CDC.

[Spurs Homer]

This stupid motherfucker still doesn't know how tariffs work. Maybe he's being sarcastic.

oh he knows damn well how they work - he knows the american taxpayer are the ones paying the tariffs


he just willfully and knowingly lies about it because the cult will just nod their head and will swallow his lies

he also lied when asked for his reaction to the bipartisan investigation that concluded russia helped him in the election and that it was NOT a hoax

he just lied thru his teeth that he knew nothing about it

[vy65]

:lol sure you did.

Ergo any reason you can just conveniently dismiss as whataboutism you've already preemptively discarded.

Has Cuomo done a good job? (you'll ignore this or point to one comment about "dithering" from weeks back)
What governor has done a good job with it?

Has anyone in the federal government done a good job with it?

Or do you think it's just Trump?

You call anything you disagree with "irrelevant". You don't really deserve an answer.

Noticeably absent in this response is a defense of Trump's coronavirus response.