Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

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Chinese epidemiological study might interest some

http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

[SnakeBoy]

Chinese epidemiological study might interest some

http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

"Among the 1,023 deaths, a majority have been ≥60 years of age and/or have had pre-existing, comorbid conditions such as hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes."

Those comorbid conditions start at around 30 yrs old here in Murica

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"Among the 1,023 deaths, a majority have been ≥60 years of age and/or have had pre-existing, comorbid conditions such as hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes."

Those comorbid conditions start at around 30 yrs old here in Murica

... and they didn’t mentioned obesity which is not as common in China but also a comorbidity.

[pgardn]

The Chinese in these crowded areas also live in awful air pollution as well. Their life expectancy went down when their middle class and industry rose. When they were more agrarian they lived longer.

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Italian coronavirus deaths rise to 29,

number of cases climbs above 1,000

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-toll/italian-coronavirus-deaths-rise-to-29-number-of-cases-climbs-above-1000-idUSKBN20N0VV?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy-toll/italian-coronavirus-deaths-rise-to-29-number-of-cases-climbs-above-1000-idUSKBN20N0VV?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29)

schools and universities closed

[SnakeBoy]

The Chinese in these crowded areas also live in awful air pollution as well. Their life expectancy went down when their middle class and industry rose. When they were more agrarian they lived longer.

Fuck yeah Murica!

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How Prepared Is the U.S. for a Coronavirus Outbreak?
The country is better positioned than most but still could face critical shortages of respirators and masks. Hospitals have triage plans in place. State and local governments have broad powers to quarantine.

How Prepared Is the U.S. for a Coronavirus Outbreak?
The country is better positioned than most but still could face critical shortages of respirators and masks. Hospitals have triage plans in place. State and local governments have broad powers to quarantine.
National Institutes of Health, via Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
By Andrew Jacobs and Sheri Fink
Feb. 29, 2020

In 2005, the federal government sought to assess how a respiratory-related pandemic might play out in the United States. Its report estimated that a severe influenza pandemic would require mechanical ventilators for 740,000 critically ill people.

Today, as the country faces the possibility of a widespread outbreak of a new respiratory infection caused by the coronavirus, there are nowhere near that many ventilators, and most are already in use. Only about 62,000 full-featured ventilators were in hospitals across the country, a 2010 study found. More than 10,000 others are stored in the Strategic National Stockpile, a federal cache of supplies and medicines held in case of emergencies, according to Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Tens of thousands of other respiratory devices could be repurposed in an emergency, experts say, but the shortfall could be stark, potentially forcing doctors to make excruciating life-or-death decisions about who would get such help should hospitals become flooded with the desperately sick.
Much about the coronavirus remains unclear, and it is far from certain that the outbreak will reach severe proportions in the United States or affect many regions at once. With its top-notch scientists, modern hospitals and sprawling public health infrastructure, most experts agree, the United States is among the countries best prepared to prevent or manage such an epidemic.

But the coronavirus, which appeared in China in December and has stricken more than 86,000 people around the world, killing nearly 3,000, has already exposed significant vulnerabilities in the ability of the United States to respond to serious health emergencies.

Across the country, educators, businesses and local officials are beginning to confront the logistics of enduring a possible pandemic: school closings that could force millions of children to remain at home, emergency plans that would require employees to work remotely, communities scrambling to build up supplies.

In plausible worst-case-scenarios given the pattern of the outbreak thus far, the country could experience acute shortages not just in ventilators but also health workers to operate them and care for patients; hospital beds; and masks and other protective equipment.

“Even during mild flu pandemics, most of our I.C.U.s are filled to the brim with severely ill patients on mechanical ventilation,” said Dr. Eric Toner, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and an expert on health care preparedness. “I hope and pray Covid-19 turns out to be a moderate pandemic, but if not, we’re in serious trouble,” he said, referring to the name given the disease caused by the virus.

Resources are concentrated in the most populous and wealthiest cities, leaving rural areas and other neglected communities exposed to greater risk. And public health experts worry that efforts to contain an outbreak could be hamstrung by budget cuts that have weakened state health departments.

An intensive care unit dedicated to treating coronavirus patients in Wuhan, China. Experts say the U.S. would experience significant shortages of medical supplies in plausible worst-case-scenarios.

Sixty-five cases have been identified in the United States as of Saturday morning, most of them patients infected while abroad. But officials at the C.D.C. warned on Tuesday that number will almost certainly rise and urged Americans to prepare for significant disruptions to their lives. On Saturday afternoon officials announced the first death, a patient in Washington state.

Health officials are working to confine outbreaks to small geographic clusters, which would limit the impact on the nation’s health care system and buy time for the development of a vaccine, an effort that could take a year or longer. But flawed test kits distributed to states by the C.D.C. and strict criteria initially used for identifying potential cases may have slowed detection of the virus spreading within communities across the country.

On Friday, three new patients — in California, Oregon and Washington State — were detected who had not traveled outside of the United States and had no known contact with infected individuals, suggesting such community transmission has already begun.

Critics say a contradictory message about the threat posed by the virus from President Trump — who called Democrats’ criticism of his handling of the situation a “hoax” at a rally on Friday night — amplified on conservative media, has caused confusion, arguably slowing efforts to prepare.
“The Chinese bought us a month of time to prepare ourselves by imposing these astonishing and draconian measures,” said J. Stephen Morrison, senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, which last year issued a report that identified flaws in the nation’s health security. “Unfortunately, we didn’t make good use of that time and now we’re heading into a very dangerous situation.”

China’s decision to quarantine tens of millions of its citizens raises questions about what kind of measures American authorities might adopt. Although public health experts in the United States say walling off entire cities and shutting down transport systems would most likely be counterproductive and do more harm than good, federal and state laws give governments the authority to limit civil liberties to protect the public health.

To help avert a severe epidemic, health officials are legally empowered to isolate the infected and those who had contact with them, restrain the sick if they resist treatment and close down whole institutions, from hospitals to churches.

These powers come with limits. Officials are supposed to use the least restrictive measures possible to protect public health, and people whose liberties are being infringed have the right to appeal in the courts.

Quarantines also require an enormous dedication of personnel to manage, and those workers must also be kept safe. Gregg Gonsalves, an assistant professor at the Yale School of Public Health, said the experience in China suggested that quarantines could create their own set of problems for people who are confined. “You may not have the basic necessities you need, including food, water, and basic sanitation supplies,” he said.

For now, the American authorities are trying to limit the spread of the virus by identifying and monitoring anyone who has come into contact with an infected patient — a methodical process known as contact tracing — and by policing the nation’s borders.

As of Friday, about 47,000 travelers had been subjected to “enhanced screening” at airports, according to the C.D.C. All passengers arriving from China have their temperatures checked, and those who are feverish or present other symptoms of the coronavirus undergo further evaluation to determine whether they require hospitalization.

Aaron Bowker, an officer in the Buffalo field office of U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said employees faced the complex challenge of trying to assess people for signs of illness. “That’s probably the hardest part,” he said. A cough does not always trigger further scrutiny of someone with no recent travel history to China, and some infected people have no fever or symptoms at all.
There have also been significant gaps in the guidelines that may have allowed more infected people to enter the country. On Saturday, the administration announced new measures intended to plug some of those holes, including preboarding screening of people traveling to the U.S. from Italy and South Korea and restrictions on noncitizens who had been in Iran.

To date, arriving travelers who have visited mainland China in the prior two weeks are supposed to be stopped and questioned, but those protocols have not been applied to travelers from other countries where the virus has spread significantly. On Friday, health officials in Washington state announced that a woman there who had traveled to South Korea, which has reported more than 3,000 cases, had tested positive for the virus.

Anjali Goel, 18, a New York University student studying in Italy, returned home this past week after the university shut down its campus in Florence. She said she was surprised when a customs officer at Washington Dulles International Airport simply waved her through without asking any questions.
“I expected him to ask me something because I was coming from an infected area,” she said.
For now, Ms. Goel has opted to self-quarantine, just in case. “I’m staying indoors, limiting my interaction with people and checking my temperature,” she said, “even if I am feeling perfectly normal.”

If the coronavirus does spread in the United States, health care facilities like Danbury Hospital in Connecticut will be on the front lines. This past week, the hospital’s critical care doctors gathered to discuss the potential for a surge in patients who might require breathing assistance, a complication that affects the small portion of patients most seriously ill with the coronavirus.
“We’ve assessed how many ventilators we have, what our capacity is, who’s going to take what role,” said Dr. Paul Nee, an infectious disease specialist and co-chairman of infection control at the hospital, which has about 370 licensed beds. He said that the hospital had about 50 ventilators, but that some older ventilators that were still functioning could be pulled into service if needed, and that other forms of ventilation that do not require a breathing tube could be used to support patients with pneumonia.

In an extreme situation, some hospitals’ plans include provisions for rationing, even removing some patients from ventilators without requiring their consent to make way for others presumed to have a better chance of survival. Some plans would also limit the access of certain categories of patients from critical care or even hospitalization during a peak pandemic based on criteria such as their age or an underlying chronic disease.

The concept of imposing such measures makes physicians dedicated to saving every life uncomfortable, and there is evidence that many people who could be removed from life support or refused care under such protocols would otherwise survive.
Dr. Mark Jarrett, chief quality officer for Northwell Health, which has 23 hospitals, mostly in New York State, said creative thinking and new technologies could ease the need for some drastic measures.

For example, he said, officials at Northwell were contemplating the use of telemedicine to augment care in an epidemic. Roughly two-thirds of the system’s hospitals, for example, are equipped with electronic intensive care unit systems that allow off-site providers to monitor patients and communicate with them through video screens. Computer algorithms alert nurses when patients’ vital signs are worrisome.

“We are hoping we never need to do this, but we’d rather have the plans in place,” he said.
Gary Cox, the Oklahoma health commissioner, said reopening rural hospitals that had closed in recent years was an option under consideration, and the state was also exploring the idea of using recreational vehicles to house people who have tested positive for the virus but do not need hospital care.

China has dealt with the problem by dispatching tens of thousands of health workers from other areas of the country to the hot zone and constructing additional hospitals and isolation centers.
The American government, too, has the ability to assign pre-established teams of health workers to augment overwhelmed facilities during crises, and the cadres have already provided health monitoring and basic medical care for evacuees from China and the Diamond Princess Cruise ship. But there is one big limitation: Many members of these teams, part of the National Disaster Medical System, hold regular jobs in the health care sector.

During an epidemic, that system could deploy personnel from less affected areas, but Department of Health and Human Services officials said in a statement, “if all parts of the country were overwhelmed simultaneously, providers who serve as N.D.M.S. personnel would be desperately needed in their own communities and their primary responsibility is at their home facility.”
Dr. Douglas Borkowski, left, examined Jessica Perez during a demonstration of coronavirus response at American Family Care, a chain of urgent care facilities, in Hillsdale, N.J.

Another looming concern is protecting health care workers and preventing the spread of outbreaks within hospitals. Keeping health workers safe requires protective equipment, much of it made in China and already in short supply. Panicked buying of masks by regular consumers is exacerbating the problem. On Saturday the U.S. Surgeon General tweeted, “Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!”:

Scott Sproat, director of emergency preparedness and response at the Oklahoma State Department of Health, said medical facilities in his state were facing delays in receiving respirator masks that have a higher ability to filter viruses than regular surgical masks.

The secretary of health and human services, Alex M. Azar III, told reporters on Friday that 300 million of such masks, known as N95s, are needed for the emergency medical stockpile for health care workers and that the government was considering invoking a Korean War-era law to accelerate production domestically. Domestic mask manufacturers, which account for a tiny proportion of the U.S. market, have warned for years about potential disruptions in the supply of foreign produced masks during a global infectious outbreak.

Some hospital workers have already reported difficulty obtaining masks. A nurse in charge of emergency preparedness in a rural part of Oklahoma, who was not authorized to speak on behalf of her hospital, said she had tried to order N95 masks this past week but none were available.
Other workers reported significant price hikes. And some hospitals in the New York City area have been “drawing down on the state stockpile,” said Jenna Mandel-Ricci, vice president for emergency preparedness for the Greater New York Hospital Association.

Many hospitals are trying to conserve supplies. Some have removed the masks from most locations in the hospital and instead are requiring staff members to request them and explain their need.
“We do have stockpiles that we’re just beginning to dig into,” said Dr. Paul Holtom, an epidemiologist at Los Angeles County-U.S.C. Medical Center. “If this goes on for many months, all of us will be more challenged.”

A Costco store in Honolulu, Hawaii, was swarmed after the state’s health department advised residents to stock up on supplies in case of quarantine.

Skilled nursing homes represent one of the greatest vulnerabilities in the health care system. They serve older adults and the infirm — the demographic most at risk from the coronavirus — and such facilities face particular challenges in stopping the spread of infection. Multiple studies have shown that germs spread easily in such places, partly because employees are overworked or poorly trained, and because the patients are so susceptible to infection.

On Saturday, the C.D.C. reported the first cases in the U.S. from a skilled nursing facility: both a patient and a worker at Life Care in Kirkland, Wash. Officials said that other residents and employees had symptoms.
“We are very concerned about an outbreak in a setting where there are many older people,” said Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, the health officer for public health in Seattle and King County.
Dr. Kevin Kavanagh, who has studied infection control practices in health care settings, said such facilities might eventually have to limit visitors, or even keep residents under quarantine as a preventive measure.
“Nursing homes will be extremely vulnerable to this epidemic, and it will be difficult to implement hygiene practices to prevent the spread,” he said.
Schools, businesses and everyday life

On Friday, an employee of an elementary school near Portland, Ore., tested positive for the coronavirus and the school, Forest Hills Elementary School in Lake Oswego, was shut down. In Washington State, where a high school student received a diagnosis of coronavirus the same day, officials suggested that people needed to prepare for the possibility of schools closing and businesses keeping workers home. In Santa Clara County, Calif., where another new case was announced, Dr. Sara Cody, the county health officer, said, “Schools should plan for absenteeism, and explore options for learning at home and enhanced cleaning of surfaces.”

The spread of the coronavirus has rattled companies across Asia and Europe, forcing them to stop production, cut hours and instruct employees to work from home. Dan Levin, who runs a plant outside Chicago that makes furniture and wall paneling, is starting to make similar plans. “There’s no playbook for this,” he said. “I’m kind of navigating this alone.”

Mr. Levin employs roughly 100 people at his plant in Rochelle, Ill. About half of them are engineers or estimators, while the rest work on the factory floor. In the event of a coronavirus outbreak, the estimators would be able to do most of their work at home, he said.
But engineering tasks are much harder to complete from a kitchen or living room. Mr. Levin said he would need to outsource that work to companies in other parts of the country.
Teebeh M. Tah, a health science instructor at the City of Medicine Academy in Durham, N.C., demonstrated the correct way to put on protective equipment.

Still, he said, no amount of planning would do much to mitigate an outbreak that prevents the majority of his manufacturing staff from coming to work. A group of 15 employees cannot suddenly do the work of 50.

Most major companies in the United States have said little about how they would respond to an outbreak, except to note their concern for the health and well-being of employees.
A spokeswoman for Amazon said the company was “watching this situation closely” but declined to comment on specific protocols. Representatives for several major banks, retailers and technology companies said they would look to the C.D.C. for guidance.

Other large companies have already put new precautions in place. Facebook is asking employees who host guests at its corporate offices to make sure the visitors have not recently traveled to mainland China. And at an all-hands meeting on Thursday, executives at the commercial real estate firm SquareFoot in New York told employees to take their laptops home on Friday in case they have to work remotely this next week.

It’s unclear whether workers, especially in retail and manufacturing jobs, would continue to be paid if the coronavirus crisis forced stores and factories to close for an extended period.
For some small-business owners, the coronavirus still feels like a distant threat.

“We’re not trying to overreact,” said Michael Stanek, who runs a company near Cleveland that manufactures toner for printers. “We could probably continue to operate with up to maybe 50 percent of employees sick.”

Still, Mr. Stanek said he was considering ramping up production in the coming days so that the company has enough inventory to keep supplying its customers even if its plant shuts down.
And when he gave out paychecks on Thursday, he reminded employees to wash their hands.
Reporting was contributed by Miriam Jordan in Los Angeles; Donald G. McNeil Jr. and David Yaffe-Bellany in New York; Mike Baker in Blaine, Wash.; and Matt Richtel in San Francisco.

Andrew Jacobs is a reporter with the Health and Science Desk, based in New York. He previously reported from Beijing and Brazil and had stints as a Metro reporter, Styles writer and National correspondent, covering the American South.
Sheri Fink is a correspondent in the investigative unit. She won the 2010 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting and shared the 2015 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. She received her M.D. and Ph.D. from Stanford University.

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Coronavirus time bomb:

America’s uninsured and brutal work culture

The thought of medical bills she just can’t afford, as one of almost 27.5 million people in the United States who don’t have health insurance.

the doctor’s bill is crazy,” she said. “If it did come down to that, I don’t have enough savings to keep me healthy.”

public health experts warned the US has several characteristics unique among wealthy nations that make it vulnerable.

These include a large and growing population without medical insurance,

the 11 million or so undocumented migrants afraid to come into contact with authorities, and

a culture of “powering through” when sick for fear of losing one’s job. :lol

“These are all things that can perpetuate the spread of a virus,”

the US has some of the world’s best hospitals and medical staff,

but those not lucky enough to have good insurance through their employer,

and not poor enough to qualify for state insurance, often opt out of the system entirely.

A routine doctor’s visit can run into hundreds of dollars for those without coverage.

being treated doesn’t mean the visit was free and the uninsured can be lumped with huge bills after.

US is alone among advanced countries in not offering any federally mandated paid sick leave.

only 30 percent of the lowest paid workers are able to earn sick days,

missing even a day’s work can make a painful financial dent.

57 percent sometimes go to work while sick and

33 percent always go when sick.

should we let some Americans who may contract the coronavirus

die because the price is out of reach?”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/coronavirus-time-bomb-americas-uninsured-and-brutal-work-culture/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

America is a SHIT HOLE of financial precarity, of non-stop, health-destroying financial stress, for 10Ms

An uninsured person gets really sick, hospitalized in isolation, many $1000s in bills.

lose job, lose car, lose house, homeless

Certainly the Capitalists are gonna get paid by covid-19 epidemic. They always do.

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Coronavirus time bomb:

America’s uninsured and brutal work culture

The thought of medical bills she just can’t afford, as one of almost 27.5 million people in the United States who don’t have health insurance.

the doctor’s bill is crazy,” she said. “If it did come down to that, I don’t have enough savings to keep me healthy.”

public health experts warned the US has several characteristics unique among wealthy nations that make it vulnerable.

These include a large and growing population without medical insurance,

the 11 million or so undocumented migrants afraid to come into contact with authorities, and

a culture of “powering through” when sick for fear of losing one’s job. :lol

“These are all things that can perpetuate the spread of a virus,”

the US has some of the world’s best hospitals and medical staff,

but those not lucky enough to have good insurance through their employer,

and not poor enough to qualify for state insurance, often opt out of the system entirely.

A routine doctor’s visit can run into hundreds of dollars for those without coverage.

being treated doesn’t mean the visit was free and the uninsured can be lumped with huge bills after.

US is alone among advanced countries in not offering any federally mandated paid sick leave.

only 30 percent of the lowest paid workers are able to earn sick days,

missing even a day’s work can make a painful financial dent.

57 percent sometimes go to work while sick and

33 percent always go when sick.

should we let some Americans who may contract the coronavirus

die because the price is out of reach?”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/coronavirus-time-bomb-americas-uninsured-and-brutal-work-culture/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

America is a SHIT HOLE of financial precarity, of non-stop, health-destroying financial stress, for 10Ms

An uninsured person gets really sick, hospitalized in isolation, many $1000s in bills.

lose job, lose car, lose house, homeless

Certainly the Capitalists are gonna get paid by covid-19 epidemic. They always do.






Majority are going to be on Medicare that will need hospitalization and run up big bills.

[hater]

yeah US needs to pay for any sick leave due to Corona

China did it

China leading while other monkeying around

[baseline bum]

yeah US needs to pay for any sick leave due to Corona


:lol yeah that's happening

[Winehole23]

I will certainly concede there are ZERO chances we react as effectively as the chinese to limit the pandemic in the US. The president and congress would have to declare martial law. Fat chance of that.Instead we get the performative racism of closing the southern border. There are more cases of COVID-19 in NY than Mexico.

1233820995523313666

[Winehole23]

(Maybe Trump was overtaken by a rare spasm of magnanimity, and wants to protect Central America from us.)

[pgardn]

Fuck yeah Murica!

Alrighty then.

[pgardn]

yeah US needs to pay for any sick leave due to Corona



Sarcasm played and accepted.

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:lol yeah that's happening
If they have half a brain (doubtful) they will. Trump’s too stupid to lead and help to enact or enforce it but it’s in everybody including employers best interest. In the long run it will save them money compared to a massive economic disruption. But you know, Trumps a moron.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/coronavirus-outbreak-puts-spotlight-on-lack-of-paid-sick-leave-in-the-u-s#Lack-of-sick-leave-in-U.S.-

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Another covid-19 death

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/87728871_10221671103317950_5902202800430907392_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=lpifiWSTjWkAX8ESFP3&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=3db76e051df37dd3f6c923e4d01994e2&oe=5EFDF513

[Winehole23]

As ever, how it affects DJT is of paramount importance.

1234118966362157056

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As ever, how it affects DJT is of paramount importance.



As ever, sick, raped, tortured, dead people from All-About-Me Trash's policies? He doesn't give a shit, and nor do his 42%, esp the Christ-like evangelicals.

[pgardn]

As ever, sick, raped, tortured, dead people from All-About-Me Trash's policies? He doesn't give a shit, and nor do his 42%, esp the Christ-like evangelicals.

That 42% should be 33% that will not waver no matter what he does. The rest will hold their nose again and vote (R)
The 33% want him to do things so uncomfortable as to make others suffer.

Usa

[Winehole23]

Of 705 passengers infected on that cruise ship, 6 died.

And a lot of them were older people.

1% is about rightCOVID-19 isn't that bad because the high risk patients are very poor, very young, or disabled.

Right.

lol conjuring a mortality rate out of thin air.

[hater]

COVID-19 isn't that bad because the high risk patients are very poor, very young, or disabled.

Right.

lol conjuring a mortality rate out of thin air.

he didnt use thin air but a floating boat :lol

[hater]

"Among the 1,023 deaths, a majority have been ≥60 years of age and/or have had pre-existing, comorbid conditions such as hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes."

Those comorbid conditions start at around 30 yrs old here in Murica

lol I was gonna say that describes most adult muricanz

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Mortality ain’t everything. Up to 25% needing intensive care, the global economic impact and disruption, a wide penetrance panepidemic would be, with realignment of global economies and infrastructures, unprecedented in modern times.

... and we have an incompetent clown at the wheel.

[hater]

Dominical Repubic has their first case. thats crazy as isnt it hot over there???

yup just checked its 83 degrees right now

that means this might not go away in the summer

oh and bye bye summer resort industry

[Pelicans78]

Dominical Repubic has their first case. thats crazy as isnt it hot over there???

yup just checked its 83 degrees right now

that means this might not go away in the summer

oh and bye bye summer resort industry

Temperature is overrated. Flu season traditionally starts in the fall which can be warm in certain parts of the country.

[Winehole23]

Mortality ain’t everything. Up to 25% needing intensive care, the global economic impact and disruption, a wide penetrance panepidemic would be, with realignment of global economies and infrastructures, unprecedented in modern times.

... and we have an incompetent clown at the wheel.FAKE NEWS

[SnakeBoy]

Dominical Repubic has their first case. thats crazy as isnt it hot over there???

yup just checked its 83 degrees right now

that means this might not go away in the summer

oh and bye bye summer resort industry

Flu doesn't "go away" in the summer it just become less contagious so less people get it. Same should happen with Covid-19 as it does to all non enveloped respiratory viruses.

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Coronavirus was likely spreading for six weeks in Washington state, study says;

first deaths confirmed in U.S., Australia and Thailand

Covid-19 has now killed patients on four continents,

with the global death toll climbing toward 3,000.

Countries are tightening travel restrictions,

canceling public events and

urging people to take health precautions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/)

[SnakeBoy]

Dominical Repubic has their first case. thats crazy as isnt it hot over there???

yup just checked its 83 degrees right now

that means this might not go away in the summer

oh and bye bye summer resort industry

It was an Italian tourist.

[baseline bum]

If they have half a brain (doubtful) they will. Trump’s too stupid to lead and help to enact or enforce it but it’s in everybody including employers best interest. In the long run it will save them money compared to a massive economic disruption. But you know, Trumps a moron.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/coronavirus-outbreak-puts-spotlight-on-lack-of-paid-sick-leave-in-the-u-s#Lack-of-sick-leave-in-U.S.-

Trump's not stupid, he just doesn't give a shit. If a bunch of people die in the cities it'll be ok because they're Democrats.

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Trump's not stupid, he just doesn't give a shit. If a bunch of people die in the cities it'll be ok because they're Democrats.

Trump, apart from a gift for conning stupid people and getting corrupt business to finance his scams, is stupid and a bunch of dead old people isn't going to help him get elected.

[SnakeBoy]

FAKE NEWS

In early study I posted it was around 15% who needed mechanical ventalation/ECHMO

He's not that far off

[ElNono]

Too early to consider how many people this virus will also bankrupt?

[baseline bum]

Trump, apart from a gift for conning stupid people and getting corrupt business to finance his scams, is stupid and a bunch of old people isn't going to help him get elected.

He's not stupid. Evil? Yes. Lazy? Yes. But he is extremely skilled at manipulating the media for decades into running with this persona of him as the ultimate rich guy despite his constant fuck ups in business. This guy turned six bankruptcies into a huge TV show about how great a leader he was. Donald Trump is not stupid. He gets the exact media coverage he engineers, just like he has for forty years now.

[SnakeBoy]

He's not stupid. Evil? Yes. Lazy? Yes. But he is extremely skilled at manipulating the media for decades into running with this persona of him as the ultimate rich guy despite his constant fuck ups in business. This guy turned six bankruptcies into a huge TV show about how great a leader he was. Donald Trump is not stupid. He gets the exact media coverage he engineers, just like he has for forty years now.

If this virus does what every other similar virus does it is likely nature will make him look like he's stopped the virus. If that happens it won't rear it's head again in force until after the election.

Dems could be playing the wrong card once again.

[picnroll]

In early study I posted it was around 15% who needed mechanical ventalation/ECHMO

He's not that far off

Estimates have ranged from 15 to 25%

[Spurs Homer]

He's not stupid. Evil? Yes. Lazy? Yes. But he is extremely skilled at manipulating the media for decades into running with this persona of him as the ultimate rich guy despite his constant fuck ups in business. This guy turned six bankruptcies into a huge TV show about how great a leader he was. Donald Trump is not stupid. He gets the exact media coverage he engineers, just like he has for forty years now.


Deutsche bank/oligarchs/

had most to do with trump being able to even be in the game because they are con artists/criminals themselves

no one would finance shit for trump

deutsche figured out how to recoup their investments by having a supply of willing oligarchs looking to launder money and directing them to trump properties to increase trumps chances of paying back the loans-

and when trump stiffed them-

deutsche had several corrupt govts lined up to assume the riskiest trump ventures with dirty money

deutsche helped finance hitlers atrocities and learned from it

then they financed irans terrorism - and trump was their boy - so he knew how deutsche had financed irans terrorism and he cleverly pinned that on obama by making up the lie that obama gave iran crates full of cash

[SnakeBoy]

Deutsche bank/oligarchs/

had most to do with trump being able to even be in the game because they are con artists/criminals themselves

no one would finance shit for trump

deutsche figured out how to recoup their investments by having a supply of willing oligarchs looking to launder money and directing them to trump properties to increase trumps chances of paying back the loans-

and when trump stiffed them-

deutsche had several corrupt govts lined up to assume the riskiest trump ventures with dirty money

deutsche helped finance hitlers atrocities and learned from it

then they financed irans terrorism - and trump was their boy - so he knew how deutsche had financed irans terrorism and he cleverly pinned that on obama by making up the lie that obama gave iran crates full of cash

lol good stuff

[Spurs Homer]

lol true stuff



fify

[boutons_deux]

Mike pence said Sunday morning the states can go fuck themselves and he and trash won't give a shit what the states do on their own since there will be little or no federal help

[boutons_deux]

Maybe trash will stand on the White House lawn and throw paper towels

[SnakeBoy]

Mike pence said Sunday morning the states can go fuck themselves and he and trash won't give a shit what the states do on their own since there will be little or no federal help

he then then added...Hail Satan!

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaiiA_G1SrQ


I don't know the current status of this couple, in their 80s, that contracted it on the Diamond Princess, but, if they can kick it, it can't be that bad.

[boutons_deux]

San Antonio covid-19 facility released a patient who later was detected as positive

so that person has infected how many?

[DarrinS]

San Antonio covid-19 facility released a patient who later was detected as positive

so that person has infected how many?

Wash your hands and avoid sick people. Standard practice

[boutons_deux]

All Repug/Trash politics, All the time

Trump, Jr. :lol said (SLANDERED) Democrats “seemingly hope” the coronavirus “kills millions.”

Pence defended him.

Donald Trump, Jr. claimed Democrats want coronavirus deaths in order to “end Donald Trump’s streak ?? :lol :lol of winning.”

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/1/21160339/coronavirus-trump-pence-democrats-hoax (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/1/21160339/coronavirus-trump-pence-democrats-hoax)

[boutons_deux]

34 dead in Italy,

1700 cases confirmed

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-italy/coronavirus-deaths-rise-in-italy-government-prepares-economic-support-idUSKBN20O257?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29

[DarrinS]

Wash your hands and avoid sick people. Standard practice


Or, you can choose to be retarded

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[SnakeBoy]

Or, you can choose to be retarded

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:lol

Well they are helping move the world forward towards admitting it's a pandemic. Then we can get back to normal.

[DMC]

Let them all lick it. Sounds like a global solution to terrorism imo

[boutons_deux]

Scoop: Lab for coronavirus test kits may have been contaminated

https://www.axios.com/cdc-lab-coronavirus-contaminated-6dc9726d-dea3-423f-b5ad-eb7b1e44c2e2.html (https://www.axios.com/cdc-lab-coronavirus-contaminated-6dc9726d-dea3-423f-b5ad-eb7b1e44c2e2.html)

America can't do shit anymore

[ElNono]

Or, you can choose to be retarded

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This is actually a lot cheaper than carpet bombing the whole area, tbh... Uncle Sam should be taking notes...

[hater]

Let them all lick it. Sounds like a global solution to terrorism imo

it needs to infect us deep state to be such solution

[hater]

new cases in NY and Florida

isnt florida full of old ppl?

[hater]

US deathrate jumps to 2%

darrin, CC come in and spin this sheet

[ElNono]

America's Coronavirus Testing Lags Far Behind South Korea and China

The news site Axios (founded by former Politico staffers) reports on an issue discovered at an Atlanta lab for America's Centers for Disease Control that was manufacturing "relatively small amounts" of coronavirus testing kits for laboratories around the country. Sources familiar with the situation in Atlanta tell them that manufacturing has now been moved to another lab.

FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn confirmed to the site that there had been problems with "certain test components (https://www.axios.com/cdc-lab-coronavirus-contaminated-6dc9726d-dea3-423f-b5ad-eb7b1e44c2e2.html)." The Commissioner also said the problems had been resolved and "were due to a manufacturing issue," and said the FDA has confidence in the current manufacturing of the tests they're distributing, which "have passed extensive quality control procedures and will provide the high-level of diagnostic accuracy we need..."

Axios adds that "It was not immediately clear if or how possible contamination in the Atlanta lab played a role in delays or problems" that America's been experiencing with its coronavirus testing: The U.S. government had admitted to problems with its diagnostic tests -- which have put the U.S. well behind China and South Korea in doing large-scale testing of the American public for the coronavirus... As of Friday, South Korea had tested 65,000 people for the coronavirus; the U.S. had tested only 459, per Science Magazine (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/united-states-badly-bungled-coronavirus-testing-things-may-soon-improve). China can reportedly conduct up to 1.6 million tests a week. Although the World Health Organization has sent testing kits to 57 other countries, the U.S. decided to make its own.

There have also been problems with the tests themselves. On Feb. 12, the FDA announced that health labs across the country were having problems validating the CDC's diagnostic test, Science reports (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bid-rapidly-expand-coronavirus-testing-us-agency-abruptly-changes-rules) in an in-depth account of what went wrong with the tests.

The FDA announced yesterday that public health labs can create their own diagnostic test. Scott Becker, the CEO of the Association of Public Health Laboratories, told Science (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/bid-rapidly-expand-coronavirus-testing-us-agency-abruptly-changes-rules) that he expects that public health labs will be able to do 10,000 tests a day by the end of the week.

[ElNono]

FWIW, South Korea tests are free (well, fully government subsidized).

[CosmicCowboy]

US deathrate jumps to 2%

darrin, CC come in and spin this sheet

Both old with underlying health conditions. Happens with the common flu all the time, chicken little.

[boutons_deux]

The Most Trusted Source in News

and see gang-banger "Pastor" Bakker plug his $125 bottle of colloidal silver as covid-19 killer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09m5f7Gnic&feature=youtu.be

[hater]

Surprised you guys aren't celebrating the coronavirus. It pretty much just kills baby boomers and older. Smoking is another high risk factor. The china numbers may not be transferable to the US since 50% of the Chinese still smoke.

:lmao Cowboy

you said the deathrate would not be trasferable to US :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Pence Calls It ‘Understandable’ Don Jr. Accused Dems Of Hoping ‘Millions’ Die Of Coronavirus

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-pence-jake-tapper-coronavirus-millions-die_n_5e5c6facc5b6beedb4ed971d?ncid=newsltushpmgne ws (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-pence-jake-tapper-coronavirus-millions-die_n_5e5c6facc5b6beedb4ed971d?ncid=newsltushpmgne ws)

yep, Jr is as pure a PIECE of SHIT trash as is his so-called father

[Socialist Boogeyman]

FWIW, South Korea tests are free (well, fully government subsidized).
SOCIALIST NIGHTMARE!

[hater]

looks like Socialist policies are going to help us beat coronavirus

called it :tu

bernie called it :tu

[pgardn]

:lmao Cowboy

you said the deathrate would not be trasferable to US :lmao

You have no clue as to how many people will NOT be tested who do just fine.
Many of the past flu #s model the number of people who probably had it and don’t come in.


How many people on this board have actually been TESTED, not symptoms, for a particular flu virus?

[pgardn]

looks like Socialist policies are going to help us beat coronavirus

called it :tu

bernie called it :tu

Counting the number of kids who go to public school could be considered a socialist policy.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao Cowboy

you said the deathrate would not be trasferable to US :lmao

What a fucking idiot. Look at your sample size. Get back to me in a month, dumbass.

[hater]

What a fucking idiot. Look at your sample size. Get back to me in a month, dumbass.

:lmao now we care about sample size

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao now we care about sample size

Both of the deaths were in that nursing home that got infected. Why do you think they were in a nursing home? And yeah, a total sample size of 88 when 35 of them are in that nursing home is a flawed sample.

[hater]

Both of the deaths were in that nursing home that got infected. Why do you think they were in a nursing home? And yeah, a total sample size of 88 when 35 of them are in that nursing home is a flawed sample.

ok what is the minimum sample size needed to be "unflawed"

will bookmark it

[CosmicCowboy]

ok what is the minimum sample size needed to be "unflawed"

will bookmark it

Get back to me when there are a few thousand in the general population, not when an infected nursing home is almost half the total sample.

[hater]

Get back to me when there are a few thousand in the general population, not when an infected nursing home is almost half the total sample.

lol deathrate is still deathrate

ok will come back when infected reaches 1,000

in the meantime. there is no logical reason to say deathrate in US will be less than China

[pgardn]

lol deathrate is still deathrate

ok will come back when infected reaches 1,000

in the meantime. there is no logical reason to say deathrate in US will be less than China

Yes there is.
This is a disease that can be exacerbated by unhealthy lungs. Most of China’s population breathes horrible air.
The US might be attempting to mimic China by lowering air quality standards, but that is yet to be determined.

[CosmicCowboy]

lol deathrate is still deathrate

ok will come back when infected reaches 1,000

in the meantime. there is no logical reason to say deathrate in US will be less than China

China's death rate outside the original epicenter where it got a head start is .4.

[picnroll]

Yes there is.
This is a disease that can be exacerbated by unhealthy lungs. Most of China’s population breathes horrible air.
The US might be attempting to mimic China by lowering air quality standards, but that is yet to be determined.

Mortality rate in Europe as reported is about 1.8%

[hater]

Masterrace tbqh

https://twitter.com/france24/status/1234115814720077826?s=21

[Winehole23]

China's death rate outside the original epicenter where it got a head start is .4.Assuming that figure turns out to be correct, we could be looking at ~250,000 deaths in the US during the next 12 months.

[pgardn]

Mortality rate in Europe as reported is about 1.8%

I would expect higher rates at the beginning as the sickest come in.
By the time this goes pandemic and is history the rates won’t be near this high as we will have more accurate and yes, modeled numbers as not everyone will come in.

A small town in the US might have 1 person come in, tested, and die and it’s 100% mortality for that town.

This does not look like the Spanish flu.

Edit:
Found in WaPo 2 % should be considered high but not in severe cases and preliminary.

No one knows exactly how or why the novel coronavirus leads to death in just a small percentage of patients — about 2 percentof those infected, according to preliminary numbers.

[picnroll]

8:10 am: San Antonio mayor blasts the CDC for mistakenly releasing quarantined patient

Mayor Ron Nirenberg blasted the the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for mistakenly releasing a COVID-19 patient who was quarantined near San Antonio, saying it was unacceptable. “We will hold the CDC accountable to providing complete transparency for the public,” Nirenberg said in a statement Sunday. “This situation is exactly why we have been asking for federal officials to accept the guidance of our medical community.” —Kopecki

[pgardn]

8:10 am: San Antonio mayor blasts the CDC for mistakenly releasing quarantined patient

Mayor Ron Nirenberg blasted the the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for mistakenly releasing a COVID-19 patient who was quarantined near San Antonio, saying it was unacceptable. “We will hold the CDC accountable to providing complete transparency for the public,” Nirenberg said in a statement Sunday. “This situation is exactly why we have been asking for federal officials to accept the guidance of our medical community.” —Kopecki

Whoa.

Sounds like our medical people told the mayor they were not keeping track properly.

[boutons_deux]

‘It’s complete chaos’:

Top Trump aides admit White House is botching the coronavirus response


White House officials speaking on the condition of remaining anonymous have

confessed ... Donald Trump’s administration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-frantic-attempts-to-minimize-the-coronavirus-crisis/2020/02/29/7ebc882a-5b25-11ea-9b35-def5a027d470_story.html) is reeling as officials scramble to deal with the coronavirus pandemic.

President Donald Trump botched identifying the first victim of the virus in the U.S. during his Saturday press conference

while also playing down the importance of another person infected in California —

which the report notes is emblematic of the disarray in the administration.

the administration’s slapdash and often misleading attempts to contain not just the virus,

but also potential political damage from the outbreak —

which has tanked financial markets,

slowed global commerce and

killed some 3,000 people worldwide

the administration struggled to cope with the fallout from the crisis —

shaking up and centralizing its coronavirus response team under the leadership of Vice President Pence,

floating plans to stabilize the markets and

publicly seeking to minimize the threat posed by the potential pandemic.”

the White House is “…scrambling to gain control of a rudderless response

defined by bureaucratic infighting, confusion and misinformation. ”

“It’s complete chaos. Everyone is just trying to get a handle on what the fuck is going on.”

Trump decided to tap Vice President Mike Pence

c because “… bringing in a person from outside the administration might be seen as a failure —

and wondering whether such a person would be loyal to him,

driven by a potent combination of a lack of leadership and structure inside the White House,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/its-complete-chaos-top-trump-aides-admit-white-house-coronavirus-efforts-are-a-disaster/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-frantic-attempts-to-minimize-the-coronavirus-crisis/2020/02/29/7ebc882a-5b25-11ea-9b35-def5a027d470_story.html

[DarrinS]

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[Spurminator]

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That's not politicizing the virus, snowflake.

[RandomGuy]

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Do you believe Trump when he says the virus cases in the US will "fall to zero" soon?

This fucker lies about everything, yet you keep shielding for him.

This time, it isn't the size of his rallies, or inaugural crowd. People will be dying, based on what he says or does say. Credibility matters. He has none.

How many deaths from their lies/incompetence are acceptable to you?

[RandomGuy]

Or, you can choose to be retarded

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The Most Trusted Source in News

and see gang-banger "Pastor" Bakker plug his $125 bottle of colloidal silver as covid-19 killer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09m5f7Gnic&feature=youtu.be

Religion poisons everything.

Authoritarian responses to virus, i.e. lying to the public, have consequences. Funny that the lies are ok, as long as it is Trump doing it... the "magic R" makes everything ok for the brainwashed faithful. Dear Leader has everything under control.

smh.

[RandomGuy]

China's death rate outside the original epicenter where it got a head start is .4.

I suspect the actual death rate is lower than the reports suggest. The overall number of people that will get it, and show no symptoms, as well as the number of people who never get tested and have just mild symptoms suggest the actual mortality rate is lower.

Once it really affects a large number of people, in the US where the data is better and more reliable, the figures will get more accurate. Barring the administration trying to massage the numbers to make the Dear Leader look better of course. I wouldn't put it past them. Luckily there are still people of integrity left despite the best efforts of the kleptocracy's leadership.

[FrostKing]

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Taking the photo

[CosmicCowboy]

Taking the photo

making sammiches.

[Winehole23]

CDC cancels press availability, scrubs testing information and deaths from its website, like one does now to please the boss, who doesn't like bad news.

[hater]

CDC cancels press availability, scrubs testing information and deaths from its website, like one does now to please the boss, who doesn't like bad news.

:lmao

it never happened. move along to next Trump rally

[phxspurfan]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/seattle-area-officials-report-3-new-coronavirus-deaths-bringing-us-total-to-5.html

Coronavirus motel in development at the Spurs future home...

“At some point, we’re going to be shifting our approach from counting every case to focusing on outbreaks, perhaps cases that occur at hospitals,” Duchin said, “and we won’t be able to do the kind of individual case follow up and case management that we’re doing early on during this so called containment phase of the epidemic.”

Seattle-area officials are setting up a coronavirus hotline and looking to buy a motel to convert into a quarantine facility.

[hater]

:lmao china builds 2 hospitals in 1 week

we rent out a motel :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

Masterrace tbqh

https://twitter.com/france24/status/1234115814720077826?s=21

They eat chloroquine like it's candy over there.

[phxspurfan]

:lmao china builds 2 hospitals in 1 week

we rent out a motel :lmao

hey, at least that motel has other viruses to battle it out with Covid19...

[phxspurfan]

Masterrace tbqh

https://twitter.com/france24/status/1234115814720077826?s=21

Wakanda doctors beyond our comprehension

[CosmicCowboy]

Locusts eating the covid19?

[boutons_deux]

Now 6 dead on the West Coast. Repugs rejoice

‘This is the coverup’: CDC website stops reporting number of COVID-19 virus tests

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/this-is-the-coverup-cdc-website-stops-reporting-number-of-covid-19-virus-tests/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3851 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/this-is-the-coverup-cdc-website-stops-reporting-number-of-covid-19-virus-tests/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3851)

[SnakeBoy]

CDC cancels press availability, scrubs testing information and deaths from its website, like one does now to please the boss, who doesn't like bad news.

They did that a couple weeks ago. Pretty sure I posted it on one of these threads.

[CosmicCowboy]

good advice

(GOOD ADVICE REGARDING CORONAVIRUS ) February 26, 2020

As some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.
The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.
Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:
1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.
2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.
3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.
4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.
5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.
6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.
7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!
What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:
1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.
Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon.
This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.
2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.
3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.
4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.
I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this (edited: animal)-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it.
Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.
I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share.
Good luck to all of us!
James Robb, MD FCAP

[SnakeBoy]

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be.

Most intelligent part tbh

[SnakeBoy]

lol they are closing Northstar mall for a "deep cleaning"

Virus broke out of the box over a month ago but I guess we have to act like we're doing something to stop what can't be stopped.

[SnakeBoy]

Virus spreading everywhere except Russia.

Vlad stopped it

Hater must be proud.

[hater]

Virus spreading everywhere except Russia.

Vlad stopped it

Hater must be proud.

uh? hundreds are quarantined in russia today. most likely hundreds of infections already

[Winehole23]

They did that a couple weeks ago. Pretty sure I posted it on one of these threads.Happened today, don't doubt something similar already happened.

[SnakeBoy]

Happened today, don't doubt something similar already happened.

See post #306

Right after Dr. Messonnier telegraphed this wasn't going to be contained, they stopped the bi-weekly media sessions with her and changed the website. Haven't heard much from her since. Must pretend so as to assure the rubes.

[SnakeBoy]

uh? hundreds are quarantined in russia today. most likely hundreds of infections already

They've only reported three cases, unless the virus tracker is wrong.

[TheGreatYacht]

Nothing to worry about folks. I've been going to the gym everyday with absolutely no fear of Coronavirus. Until I meet a friend or family member who knows someone that died of Coronavirus, I will remain skeptical. Don't give in to the fear mongering folks. Don't be sheep.

[SnakeBoy]

Nothing to worry about folks. I've been going to the gym everyday with absolutely no fear of Coronavirus. Until I meet a friend or family member who knows someone that died of Coronavirus, I will remain skeptical. Don't give in to the fear mongering folks. Don't be sheep.

Until you start licking the gym equipment you scared

[baseline bum]

Until you start licking the gym equipment you scared

What if you just sniff the seats after someone gets up?

[SnakeBoy]

What if you just sniff the seats after someone gets up?

That would just be a creepy Joe move

[baseline bum]

So we have what, 2-3 weeks before shit starts getting real in the US? hater man, when does WW VI start?

[baseline bum]

At least maybe this will cancel the season so the Spurs can pretend it wasn't their fault the 22 season playoff streak ended.

[DarrinS]

Why do sick people feel compelled to go to a god damn mall?

[DarrinS]

What if you just sniff the seats after someone gets up?

:lmao

[hater]

So we have what, 2-3 weeks before shit starts getting real in the US? hater man, when does WW VI start?

China seems to be getting a hold of it. less and less cases there. unfortunately now they have to worry about shithole countries like the USA that can make it a real pandemic and reinfect them.

I think theres a chance the virus can burn out. hopefully in a month or so

USA needs to be quarantining cities and shutting down work/schools and start testing by the tens of thousands

this could be asily be Trumps Katrina moment

[baseline bum]

China seems to be getting a hold of it. less and less cases there. unfortunately now they have to worry about shithole countries like the USA that can make it a real pandemic and reinfect them.

I think theres a chance the virus can burn out. hopefully in a month or so

USA needs to be quarantining cities and shutting down work/schools and start testing by the tens of thousands

this could be asily be Trumps Katrina moment

I don't believe much coming out of China, and even if this burns out as the season ends it sounds like it'll be right back next winter. Hopefully we'll have a vaccine by then.

[pgardn]

They've only reported three cases, unless the virus tracker is wrong.

They have reported 3 cases.

Yeah.
Go with that.

[pgardn]

Nothing to worry about folks. I've been going to the gym everyday with absolutely no fear of Coronavirus. Until I meet a friend or family member who knows someone that died of Coronavirus, I will remain skeptical. Don't give in to the fear mongering folks. Don't be sheep.

Oh we won’t be sheep.

We know this virus is a joint venture between the US and Israel.
We will be the foxes on this one.
And starve.

Tell your stories to people at your gym while they are spotting you.

[pgardn]

Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx

Did not do a thing for moi and the common cold.
It did work for a friend though.

[DarrinS]

Just wash yours hands, don't touch your face (a bad habit, btw), and stay away from sick people.

Common sense advice

[Trainwreck2100]

Why do sick people feel compelled to go to a god damn mall?
Because they were told they weren't sick.

[DarrinS]

Because they were told they weren't sick.

I'd self quarantine for a while, but that's just me I guess.

[pgardn]

Just wash yours hands, don't touch your face (a bad habit, btw), and stay away from sick people.

Common sense advice

Yes.

You repeated CCs article as did I.

Touching your face is a very common habit from childhood.
Especially when you have to scratch, it happens.

Now when spurtunculus reads this and asks how in the hell he is supposed to adequately even out his makeup remember, it’s yours to explain.

[Trainwreck2100]

I'd self quarantine for a while, but that's just me I guess.

How you gonna quarantine yourself in some random city you got dropped of into

[pgardn]

How you gonna quarantine yourself in some random city you got dropped of into

Hunkering down in the underground backyard survivalist pod.
They won’t take him alive.

[dude21]

My dude hater is in his 40's. What's the death rate in those parts?

[DarrinS]

How you gonna quarantine yourself in some random city you got dropped of into

Get room service and watch some tv. Don't bring your dumb virus carrying ass into a large public gathering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlH9RGLJqxE

[dude21]

DarrinS in his late 50's. :lol

[DarrinS]

DarrinS in his late 50's. :lol

Not even 51 yet

[dude21]

Not even 51 yet

Get some vitamins cause it's going to hit hard.

[DarrinS]

Get some vitamins cause it's going to hit hard.

Your generation is soft. Very soft. I blame my generation for that.

[dude21]

Your generation is soft. Very soft. I blame my generation for that.

Fucking up the housing markets, tuition spiraling out of control, tax breaks the the super rich. :lol

[Spurminator]

Your generation is soft. Very soft. I blame my generation for that.

"THAT MAN WON'T STAND FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM!!!!"

[Spurminator]

"Ok Boomer"

"CAN YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS??"
-The not-soft generation

[dude21]

"Ok Boomer"

"CAN YOU BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS??"
-The not-soft generation
:lol

[DarrinS]

"Ok boomer" is so lame. Especially, when aimed at non-boomers. :lol

[hater]

Get some vitamins cause it's going to hit hard.

:lol

[baseline bum]

Your generation is soft. Very soft. I blame my generation for that.

If this really has a mortality rate of 2-3% a lot of people are going to be fucked. Spanish flu was 2.5% and killed 50 million. Man I hope this 2% number is a lie based on China not telling how many people actually have it.

[ElNono]

If this really has a mortality rate of 2-3% a lot of people are going to be fucked. Spanish flu was 2.5% and killed 50 million. Man I hope this 2% number is a lie based on China not telling how many people actually have it.

Yeah, but they didn't have thoughts and prayers...

[baseline bum]

Yeah, but they didn't have thoughts and prayers...

Any chance you offer reverse coyote services across the river? San Antonio is too hot right now, might be better off in Tamaulipas tbh.

[hater]

:lmao this is one stupid motherfucker :lol

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1234599053725491200?s=21

[hater]

If this really has a mortality rate of 2-3% a lot of people are going to be fucked. Spanish flu was 2.5% and killed 50 million. Man I hope this 2% number is a lie based on China not telling how many people actually have it.

mortality worldwide is almost 4%

here in our most prepared country in the world is 6% so far

[hater]

:lmao holy shit we are so fucked :lmao

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1234607697540063234?s=21

[hater]

:lmao this presser was fucking hilarious

howcome cnn didnt broadcast this trainwreck :lmao

they are wasting precious time answering stupid questions from this monkey :lol

https://twitter.com/barney1776/status/1234617071939530755?s=21

[hater]

:lmao the comments :lol holy shit

https://twitter.com/karmatella/status/1234623041314967553?s=21

https://twitter.com/maddemmom/status/1234633718448390148?s=21

[hater]

NAgydBbF5mQ

[in2deep]

:lmao this is one stupid motherfucker :lol

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1234599053725491200?s=21

The Dr. clearly explains why a vaccine cannot possibly be ready in less than a year. Trump then turns to Lenny “what do you say to that Lenny?”

its like he wants Lenny to back him up on a vaccine being ready earlier. and who da fuck is Lemny? :lol

[in2deep]

NAgydBbF5mQ

:lmao elements of medical

[ElNono]

Any chance you offer reverse coyote services across the river? San Antonio is too hot right now, might be better off in Tamaulipas tbh.

You better haul ass over det wall and across the river for a real Corona... no that virus shit...

[picnroll]

:lmao this is one stupid motherfucker :lol

https://twitter.com/owillis/status/1234599053725491200?s=21

Who said Trump wasn’t stupid Baseline Bum?

[baseline bum]

Who said Trump wasn’t stupid Baseline Bum?

He's a piece of shit who doesn't want to look bad.

[hater]

He's a piece of shit who doesn't want to look bad.

Trump thinks vaccines will be applied to the sick so “they feel better”

:lmao

hes a fucking shit for brains :lol

[baseline bum]

Trump thinks vaccines will be applied to the sick so “they feel better”

:lmao

hes a fucking shit for brains :lol

He wants to look like a hardass expecting a vaccine in two months. Don't know why you guys want to continually underestimate a cunning enemy.

[hater]

He wants to look like a hardass expecting a vaccine in two months. Don't know why you guys want to continually underestimate a cunning enemy.

no no

he thinks vaccine is applied on the sick so they get better

he doesnt know how vaccines work and how it can only be applied to a healthy person only :lmao

[hater]

the latest:

-iran is beyond fucked. virus is in the prison system and in political elites(25 Ministers) positive

- italy contagion jumped to 5,000. im starting to think Italians have just bad higiene

- children of the corn? children seem immune to this

[RandomGuy]

He's a piece of shit who doesn't want to look bad.

He can be both stupid and a piece of shit who doesn't want to look bad.

Such an impulse makes stuff like this look reaaaally suspicious:

CDC drops coronavirus testing numbers from their website
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21161693/cdc-coronavirus-testing-numbers-website-disappear-expansion-us

[RandomGuy]

He wants to look like a hardass expecting a vaccine in two months. Don't know why you guys want to continually underestimate a cunning enemy.

Eyup. And when it doesn't happen his failure to set reasonable expectations will be something to beat him over the head with in the election. Dude is his own worst enemy.

[RandomGuy]

How you gonna quarantine yourself in some random city you got dropped of into

I love random cities.

[RandomGuy]

lol they are closing Northstar mall for a "deep cleaning"

Virus broke out of the box over a month ago but I guess we have to act like we're doing something to stop what can't be stopped.

Pretty much. It has been spreading wild, as viruses do. I will be travelling a LOT for work in the next few months and I am guessing my chances of getting it are approaching 1.0 rapidly.

[picnroll]

Remember when Chinese officials condemned countries for prohibiting Chinese to enter their countries. I’m calling it now, Chinese start banning selected countries into China.

[RandomGuy]

Remember when Chinese officials condemned countries for prohibiting Chinese to enter their countries. I’m calling it now, Chinese start banning selected countries into China.

China reports rise in imported virus cases

China reported an increase Tuesday in cases of the new coronavirus coming from abroad, as the country where the disease first emerged now worries about importing infections.

In total there have been 13 confirmed cases of the virus being imported to the mainland -- all in Chinese nationals returning from overseas.
https://news.yahoo.com/china-reports-rise-imported-virus-cases-055000327.html


This thing is way out of containment.

[hater]

Remember when Chinese officials condemned countries for prohibiting Chinese to enter their countries. I’m calling it now, Chinese start banning selected countries into China.

you called it ma niga

All individuals entering Beijing from South Korea, Japan, Iran and Italy will be quarantined for 14 days, the Deputy Secretary General of the Beijing Municipal Government, Chen Bei, said on Tuesday. The countries placed on the quarantine list are among the largest carriers of the coronavirus outside China. Bei explained that the new rule would apply to everyone arriving from the designated nations, regardless of nationality.

and if USA keeps jerking around this is pidemic they will be added to Chinese list

and to add insult to injury the Chinese will offer to send their teams of medics to help out third world countries like the USA

[hater]

https://twitter.com/lemmyholla/status/1234644198319542272?s=21

[picnroll]

Fed drops rates by 50 Points and market still tanks. That ain’t a good sign.

[Winehole23]

Only Trump would turn a public health threat into a contest to see who can kiss his ass most obsequiously.

1234661752492584960

[Winehole23]

Fed drops rates by 50 Points and market still tanks. That ain’t a good sign.Unannounced, between meeting rate adjustments are rare, maybe the surprise cut spooked the market. I know it spooks me.

[CosmicCowboy]

Coronavirus craziness in full bloom in SA.....did my bimonthly run to Costco for shop supplies this morning. I got there right after it opened. It was like a cat 5 hurricane was bearing down on San Antonio. At the rate toilet paper and bottled water was leaving the store they will be completely out of both by this afternoon.

[SnakeBoy]

Coronavirus craziness in full bloom in SA.....did my bimonthly run to Costco for shop supplies this morning. I got there right after it opened. It was like a cat 5 hurricane was bearing down on San Antonio. At the rate toilet paper and bottled water was leaving the store they will be completely out of both by this afternoon.

Weird, it's not a hurricane :lol

[DarrinS]

Stay away from the airport today

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Diamond-Princess-evacuees-to-be-released-from-15101754.php

[CosmicCowboy]

Stay away from the airport today

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Diamond-Princess-evacuees-to-be-released-from-15101754.php

:lmao look at Nirinberg and Wolffs expressions...

[DarrinS]

:lmao look at Nirinberg and Wolffs expressions...

:lmao

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/10/73/00/19116044/47/920x920.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

Any guesses on how long it will take CDC/WHO etc. to give up on the containment idea and just admit this is a new endemic human virus?

[SnakeBoy]

This thing is way out of containment.

Been that way for several weeks


Appears that it will follow the swine flu pandemic. Once it's established on every continent the pandemic will be declared over and it will be classified as just another bug we get sometimes. Then the WHO/CDC etc. can get back to pretending they know how to stop pandemics.

Hater called it first though tbh

[hater]

Been that way for several weeks



Hater called it first though tbh

but does not explain Chinas actions. they were willing to shut down their country to try and stop this.

everyones life will change if thats the case. a lot more funerals to attend per year from now on :lol

[boutons_deux]

Ah, America, craven, avaricious, predatory venality is your name

‘Why are we being charged?’

Surprise bills from coronavirus testing spark calls for government to cover all costs

“Huge surprise medical bills [are] going to make sure people with symptoms don’t get tested.

That is bad for everyone.”


Pennsylvania native Frank Wucinski “found a pile of medical bills” totaling $3,918 waiting for him and his three-year-old daughter after they were released from government-mandated quarantine

(CDC) is not billing patients for coronavirus testing,

there are other charges you might have to pay, depending on your insurance plan, or lack thereof,”

“A hospital stay in itself could be costly and you would likely have to pay for tests for other viruses or conditions.”

“There are

legal :lol,

moral :lol :lol :lol :lol, and

public health :lol

reasons not to charge the patients,”

“the ambulance company that transported [them] charged the family $2,598 for taking them to the hospital.”

“An additional $90 in charges came from radiologists who read the patients’ X-ray scans and do not work for the hospital,”

the American government’s response to a public health emergency, ... could be

handicapped by relying on a system built around private hospitals and for-profit health insurance providers.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/why-are-we-being-charged-surprise-bills-from-coronavirus-testing-spark-calls-for-government-to-cover-all-costs/

[DarrinS]

Wtf?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ASCNZRnDwk

[boutons_deux]

Doctors tell Florida woman she ‘likely’ has coronavirus

but refuse to test her for it

the hospital is “following guidelines for testing established by the CDC and the Florida Department of Health.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/doctors-tell-florida-woman-she-likely-has-coronavirus-but-refuse-to-test-her-for-it/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3858

[RandomGuy]

Only Trump would turn a public health threat into a contest to see who can kiss his ass most obsequiously.

1234661752492584960

Dear Leader descended from heaven on the wings of a million sparrows, to grace us with a news conference.

This shit gets more North Korea as time goes on.

[RandomGuy]

Ah, America, craven, avaricious, predatory venality is your name

‘Why are we being charged?’

Surprise bills from coronavirus testing spark calls for government to cover all costs

“Huge surprise medical bills [are] going to make sure people with symptoms don’t get tested.

That is bad for everyone.”


Pennsylvania native Frank Wucinski “found a pile of medical bills” totaling $3,918 waiting for him and his three-year-old daughter after they were released from government-mandated quarantine

(CDC) is not billing patients for coronavirus testing,

there are other charges you might have to pay, depending on your insurance plan, or lack thereof,”

“A hospital stay in itself could be costly and you would likely have to pay for tests for other viruses or conditions.”

“There are

legal :lol,

moral :lol :lol :lol :lol, and

public health :lol

reasons not to charge the patients,”

“the ambulance company that transported [them] charged the family $2,598 for taking them to the hospital.”

“An additional $90 in charges came from radiologists who read the patients’ X-ray scans and do not work for the hospital,”

the American government’s response to a public health emergency, ... could be

handicapped by relying on a system built around private hospitals and for-profit health insurance providers.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/why-are-we-being-charged-surprise-bills-from-coronavirus-testing-spark-calls-for-government-to-cover-all-costs/



Tragic is all the people without paid sick time showing up to work sick. our "free market" system is going to make the spread in the US faster.

[SnakeBoy]

Tragic is all the people without paid sick time showing up to work sick. our "free market" system is going to make the spread in the US faster.

It's spreading fast globally RG but yeah communism could stop it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Tragic is all the people without paid sick time showing up to work sick. our "free market" system is going to make the spread in the US faster.

My standing orders for my employees is if you have a fever stay home and I will pay you. We don't want what you have. If they still show up sick I send them home.

[hater]

It's spreading fast globally RG but yeah communism could stop it.

china seems to be getting a handle on it tbqh :lol

[RandomGuy]

My standing orders for my employees is if you have a fever stay home and I will pay you. We don't want what you have. If they still show up sick I send them home.

Sensible. :tu

My boss regularly visits his 84 YO father, and has sent me home once or twice. I have allergies, so it is hard to tell when I am sneezing from a flu. Easy enough to work from home.

[RandomGuy]

It's spreading fast globally RG but yeah communism could stop it.

I point out a fact, you have... a strawman. Requiring a minimum floor for paid days off, would mitigate the economic damage done by people showing up to work sick when they can't afford to take time off. Probably can find some actual economic data to back that up.

Our system is a tragedy of the commons writ large.

Free markets are not infallible, so quit being naive about that.

[SnakeBoy]

Doctors tell Florida woman she ‘likely’ has coronavirus

but refuse to test her for it

the hospital is “following guidelines for testing established by the CDC and the Florida Department of Health.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/doctors-tell-florida-woman-she-likely-has-coronavirus-but-refuse-to-test-her-for-it/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3858

If you follow the link to the original story, they did test her


The woman shared with CBS Miami copies of her test results from Jackson showing she tested positive for earlier strains of the virus – coronavirus 229E and NL63.

She has a common cold

[boutons_deux]

WHO now estimated covid-19 mortality rate about 3.4%, vs 0.1% for seasonal flu, about 35x more deadly.

[SnakeBoy]

Nice tracker with timeline slider so you can see the world getting infected

http://ncov.bii.virginia.edu/dashboard/

Resistance is futile

[baseline bum]

WHO now estimated covid-19 mortality rate about 3.4%, vs 0.1% for seasonal flu, about 35x more deadly.

That's fucking great. Spanish flu was 2.5% and killed 50-100 million in a world with 1/4 of the current population and far less travel.

[SnakeBoy]

That's fucking great. Spanish flu was 2.5% and killed 50-100 million in a world with 1/4 of the current population and far less travel.

Idk where he's getting that. 3.4% is the current rate deaths/confirmed but confirmed cases are skewed towards serious cases. Mortality rate is still unknown officially.

Fauci just wrote about it in NEJM


On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article

[DarrinS]

I had to round up figures from Diamond Princess cases to even get 1%. And you know most of of those passengers were older, more vulnerable demographic.

[ElNono]

Coronavirus emergency bill stalled over vaccine cost concerns

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/03/coronavirus-emergency-bill-119729

:lol this article is so full of hilariously sad nuggets...

House and Senate leaders have run into last-minute snags on a $7.5 billion emergency package to combat the U.S. spread of coronavirus, including disputes over vaccine availability and hospital reimbursement costs.

...

Democrats are insisting the spending package include significant funding to purchase large amounts of coronavirus diagnostics, treatments and vaccine, when it becomes available, which would then be made available to the public free of cost, according to a senior Democratic aide.

The Democratic aide said Republicans are trying to eliminate the “fair and reasonable price” federal procurement standard for the vaccines and treatments that will be developed and purchased with the emergency funds. “Fair and reasonable price” is a basic standard to prevent price gouging in federal contracts.

Republicans, however, argue they are trying to fight Democratic efforts to create a new set of price controls and that they are not asking for changes to the underlying procurement standards.

...

“We are not going to say the companies after we taxpayers have paid for it, ‘now go out and make a huge profit.’ That's not going to happen,” said Senate Appropriations ranking member Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.).

...

Separately, health insurers want assurances the government will help pay the cost of widespread testing or expensive treatment.

[ChumpDumper]

Idk where he's getting that. 3.4% is the current rate deaths/confirmed but confirmed cases are skewed towards serious cases. Mortality rate is still unknown officially.

Fauci just wrote about it in NEJMYeah, I'm sure it will prove to be more deadly than your average flu, but so many governments including ours are being pussies about testing and reporting so the number of deaths is the one thing that's concrete and final. Actual reported cases without death are going to balloon soon enough.

[rascal]

I'd self quarantine for a while, but that's just me I guess.

Most people can't. They don't live with Mom and Dad.

[ElNono]

Most people can't. They don't live with Mom and Dad.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wJgeG1Yy2QCI0/giphy.gif

[hater]

I had to round up figures from Diamond Princess cases to even get 1%. And you know most of of those passengers were older, more vulnerable demographic.

almost 4% deathrate worldwide

and even higher US

but lets concentrate at deathrate on a boat :lmao :lmao

[hater]

Russia has banned all exports of masks and related equipment

They also interetingly said they are taking measures to protect Putin from the virus. probably boosting his immune system and isolating him :wow

Russia is taking this as an alien invasion :wow

shits real

[hater]

US is probably doing the opposite with Donaldo :lol

although it would be a tremendous embarrasment if hes sick but maybe they dont care

[hater]

Darcy Burner some famous tech geek in Seattle said Seattles hospital isolation wards are filled with thousands of ppl sick but untested

Seattle = Wuhan

[Winehole23]

Sounds reasonable to me. If Trump can see his way clear to supporting hospitals, why not sick Americans who can't afford a day off? Paid sick leave seems a no brainer.


A 1918-like pandemic would cause U.S. hospitals to absorb a net loss of $3.9 billion, or an average $784,592 per hospital, according to a 2007 report in the Journal of Health Care Finance that called on policy makers to consider contingencies to ensure hospitals don’t become insolvent as a result of a severe pandemic.

The National Disaster Medical System is subject to available funds and reimburses doctors and health facilities that provide care to eligible natural-disaster patients under specific guidelines if care isn’t available in their local area. It has been used in the past for situations such as Hurricane Irma in 2017, when about 85 patients were covered under the program.https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-considering-paying-hospitals-for-treating-uninsured-coronavirus-patients-11583258943

[Winehole23]

I had to round up figures from Diamond Princess cases to even get 1%. And you know most of of those passengers were older, more vulnerable demographic.We get it Darrin, you think old people are disposable.

[DarrinS]

We get it Darrin, you think old people are disposable.

Wrong


Do you think death rate would be higher in a nursing home than a high school campus?

[Winehole23]

Wrong


Do you think death rate would be higher in a nursing home than a high school campus?Honestly, I don't know, I would just be guessing, and so are you. Everyone at a nursing home at least is receiving prompt medical care.

[DarrinS]

Honestly, I don't know, I would just be guessing, and so are you. Everyone at a nursing home at least is receiving prompt medical care.

It's not a guess. It's a fact.

[Winehole23]

It's not a guess. It's a fact.Look, statistically older people are more likely to die, period, so I don't know why you keep emphasizing it.

Young people are dying too, that's also a fact. Why do you keep reminding the thread old people are frail?

[hater]

Called it tbqh

my title is 100% correct :wow

Chinese drs have identified 2 strains of the virus. means it mutated and the 2nd strain more aggresive has infected 70% of cases. the other 30%

Italy is talking about 3 strains

This means it could easily mutate again and again. 2 a vaccine might not be the enough. We might need multiple vaccines

[picnroll]

Los Angeles-area officials declare local emergency, confirm new coronavirus cases

Los Angeles-area officials declared an emergency, saying they’ve discovered six new coronavirus cases in the county over the last 48 hours.

“I have just signed a proclamation declaring the existence of a local emergency. I want to reiterate that this is not a response rooted in panic,” Kathryn Barger, chairwoman of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, said at a press conference.

[hater]

coming to the conclusion our planet has just acquired a flu on steroids (30 times stronger) vaccines will probably work as well as regular flu vaccines (change yearly and not work on new strains)

this is here to stay and we all will get it sooner or later. the weak will die and strong will survive.

welcome to a new world folks

only question is will our society survive the pressure of this new flu or will it break down into chaos?

[SnakeBoy]

1232272542968184832

[DarrinS]

I had to round up figures from Diamond Princess cases to even get 1%. And you know most of of those passengers were older, more vulnerable demographic.


almost 4% deathrate worldwide

and even higher US

but lets concentrate at deathrate on a boat :lmao :lmao



https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html

[Winehole23]

^^^filled with weasel words, interpolation and rosy prognostication.

Count on DarrinS to mimimize a problem we don't know the dimensions of.

[boutons_deux]

Once again, Trump insists nobody knew a thing that everybody knows

Trump learns that tens of thousands of Americans die of the flu every year, insists nobody knew that.

"I told the pharmaceutical companies that they have to do a better job on that vaccine" --

Trump admits he just learned that the flu can be deadly and says he wants the pharmaceutical companies to do something about it

TRUMP:

“Over the last long period of time,

the flu, the common flu — you know this, right? From 27,000 to 70,000 people get infected

[it’s actually millions (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html), but whatever], and

many people die.

Think of it — 27,000.

You lose 27,000 people to the common flu.

It can be much more.

One year was much higher than the 70,000 number.

Those people die.

So when you lose 27,000 people a year.

Nobody knew that. :lol

I didn’t know that. :lol

Three, four weeks ago, I was sitting down, :lol

I said, ‘What do we lose with the regular flu?‘

They said about 27,000 minimum.

Goes up to 70, sometimes even 80, one year it went up to 100,000 people.

I said nobody told me that. :lol

Nobody knows that.

So I actually told the pharmaceutical companies,

you have to do a little bit better job :lol on that vaccine.”

[Wild applause]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/2/1923731/-Once-again-Trump-insists-nobody-knew-a-thing-that-everybody-knew?detail=emaildkreicymi

[DarrinS]

^^^filled with weasel words, interpolation and rosy prognostication.

Count on DarrinS to mimimize a problem we don't know the dimensions of.


It's the one case where we know the denominator with any accuracy.

You can panic if you want to. I'm not worried

[Winehole23]

It's the one case where we know the denominator with any accuracy.

You can panic if you want to. I'm not worried
No one's panicking yet, but I don't see a coherent countermeasure to the pandemic. Other countriez are doing stuff.

What are we doing, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

No one's panicking yet, but I don't see a coherent countermeasure to the pandemic. Other countriez are doing stuff.

What are we doing, Darrin?

The response has been much quicker than to H1N1 in 2009.

[ChumpDumper]

The response has been much quicker than to H1N1 in 2009.Did Rush say that or do you have some personal experience here?

[phxspurfan]

coming to the conclusion our planet has just acquired a flu on steroids (30 times stronger) vaccines will probably work as well as regular flu vaccines (change yearly and not work on new strains)

this is here to stay and we all will get it sooner or later. the weak will die and strong will survive.

welcome to a new world folks

only question is will our society survive the pressure of this new flu or will it break down into chaos?

good to know LeBron and Bryn Forbes will be ok, and Nephew will not :flag:

[boutons_deux]

No one's panicking yet, but I don't see a coherent countermeasure to the pandemic. Other countriez are doing stuff.

What are we doing, Darrin?

The CDC approved covid-19 test is a non-specific salad of test for several viruses.

CDC says a person must have symptoms for 4 days? before they can be tested, if a test is available and/or accurate.

[phxspurfan]

The CDC approved covid-19 test is a non-specific salad of test for several viruses.

CDC says a person must have symptoms for 4 days? before they can be tested, if a test is available and/or accurate.

That kind of makes sense. If the virus has not replicated that much in your body it may be difficult for a swab to detect it in sufficient quantity.

[RandomGuy]

The response has been much quicker than to H1N1 in 2009.

By what metric are you using to make this assertion?

Back it up or fold like Spurtacular and Cosmored.

[picnroll]

That kind of makes sense. If the virus has not replicated that much in your body it may be difficult for a swab to detect it in sufficient quantity.

That makes no sense. A symptomatic people are being tested and diagnosed.

[CosmicCowboy]

By what metric are you using to make this assertion?

Back it up or fold like Spurtacular and Cosmored.

A quick google search provided multiple links to scholarly papers concerning "lessons learned" from H1N1 and how processes were improved.

[CosmicCowboy]

That makes no sense. A symptomatic people are being tested and diagnosed.

The CDC test sucks. They don't use the same test the WHO uses.

https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test

[DarrinS]

Hopefully, this one is better contained than h1n1. One in six Americans were hit with h1n1.

[SnakeBoy]

No one's panicking yet, but I don't see a coherent countermeasure to the pandemic. Other countriez are doing stuff.


What country would you like to copy?

[SnakeBoy]

Hopefully, this one is better contained than h1n1. One in six Americans were hit with h1n1.

It won't be contained

[picnroll]

The CDC test sucks. They don't use the same test the WHO uses.

https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test
I knew there was a cluster fuck but not thus big and this long a cluster fuck.

[CosmicCowboy]

I knew there was a cluster fuck but not thus big and this long a cluster fuck.

I'm going with thoughts and prayers.

[picnroll]

I'm going with thoughts and prayers.

Dont forget Pence.

[hater]

What country would you like to copy?

- drive thru testing from Korea
- infection notification app that tells everyone of new infevtions and locations where infected recently visited from korea
- infection of country leadership from Iran
- Pizza from Italy

[SnakeBoy]

- drive thru testing from Korea
- infection notification app that tells everyone of new infevtions and locations where infected recently visited from korea


What good would that do? Nowhere in the world has stopped it. It cannot be stopped.

If it were possible to stop a virus as infectious as influenza then we would have eradicated influenza

Until a vaccine is developed it will continue to spread unless we get lucky and it follows a seasonal pattern like other respiratory viruses.

[hater]

What good would that do? Nowhere in the world has stopped it. It cannot be stopped.

If it were possible to stop a virus as infectious as influenza then we would have eradicated influenza

Until a vaccine is developed it will continue to spread unless we get lucky and it follows a seasonal pattern like other respiratory viruses.

vaccine wont work as it mutates to different strains like the flu

only hope is hold out until summer, I think it would subside then for a while. gain some time basically and what I listed would give us some time

[SnakeBoy]

vaccine wont work as it mutates to different strains like the flu

only hope is hold out until summer, I think it would subside then for a while. gain some time basically and what I listed would give us some time

More important thing is therapies for serious cases to lower mortality. I've already posted the info on the two existing drugs that show great promise.

[Winehole23]

What country would you like to copy?Not any particular country, just astounded how badly this one has fumbled the ball.

More testing. S Korea has tested over one hundred thousand people, our government has scrubbed testing figures, even though that might make the US diagnosed/fatality rate look BETTER. It's hard to know what to do absent testing, but at least our government could level with us and put public health professionals front and center, instead of CYA.

[phxspurfan]

Hopefully, this one is better contained than h1n1. One in six Americans were hit with h1n1.

Never saw that stat, never really heard of any panic whenever that happened, and definitely never got any of it

[phxspurfan]

Not any particular country, just astounded how badly this one has fumbled the ball.

More testing. S Korea has tested over one hundred thousand people, our government has scrubbed testing figures, even though that might make the US diagnosed/fatality rate look BETTER. It's hard to know what to do absent testing, but at least our government could level with us and put public health professionals front and center, instead of CYA.

My theory is the president, who has taken control over all of the federal government bodies tasked with public health, doesn’t want to incite a panic which would tank the economy (which would risk his re election) the more people stay home and shit. He wants people to act normally and not get tested en masse, taking the risk that people who develop severe symptoms may not present themselves to the hospital in time to save their lives. Unfortunately that could backfire, as even though there would technically be fewer positive test results (due to suppressing testing to only the sickest), people who are not as symptomatic may be spreading it further due to not ever being tested.

Anecdotally, I was at Starbucks a few days ago where the baristas were talking about another barista who didn’t want to go home when she was already sick. Likely because she didn’t have sick leave or wouldn’t get paid or was afraid of losing her job. The service sector and anyone with a not so great job may suffer the worst and spread this the most here.

[boutons_deux]

Never saw that stat, never really heard of any panic whenever that happened, and definitely never got any of it

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people (https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm) in the United States and

caused 12,469 deaths.

Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from pandemic swine flu (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/pandemic-global-estimates.htm)."

https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-h1n1-swine-flu-770496 (https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-h1n1-swine-flu-770496)

[SnakeBoy]

Not any particular country, just astounded how badly this one has fumbled the ball.


They've all fumbled the ball if that's how you want to look at it. I'm not surprised you would since you politicize the weather too.

There was a brief period when this virus could have been stopped. China failed, the rest of the world might as well be trying to stop the wind at this point.

Remdesivir is being rushed through CDC clinical trials and is reportedly showing good efficacy. Chloroquine as well (in China and elsewhere) and also showing good efficacy. As soon as the mortality rate drops off you can move onto something else to add to your list of grievances.

[boutons_deux]

U.S. House passes, sends to Senate, $8.3 billion bill to battle coronavirus

the House voted 415-2 on the bill just hours after negotiators unveiled its contents.

Matt Gaetz, ... compared the House chamber to a “petri dish” for incubating germs.

“We all fly in these dirty airports,

we touch and selfie everyone we meet and

then we congregate together,”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-congress/u-s-house-passes-sends-to-senate-8-3-billion-bill-to-battle-coronavirus-idUSKBN20R2V6?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+%28Reu ters+Politics+News%29

and if Gaetz does all that stuff with infected people, he will get infected. Maybe his immune system is fatally weak

[DarrinS]

It won't be contained

Poor choice of words on my part. I hope it is less widespread.

[boutons_deux]

Mike Pence shook hands with 44 cadets

whose fellow student is being quarantined for coronavirus

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/3/1923891/-Mike-Pence-shook-hands-with-44-cadets-whose-fellow-student-is-being-quarantined-for-coronavirus?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/3/1923891/-Mike-Pence-shook-hands-with-44-cadets-whose-fellow-student-is-being-quarantined-for-coronavirus?detail=emaildkre)

[vy65]

IT'S FINALLY HERE

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/fort-bend-health-department-confirms-presumptive-positive-coronavirus-case/285-f31de5eb-4b67-4d02-bc05-7a1792e5edba

[Winehole23]

My theory is the president, who has taken control over all of the federal government bodies tasked with public health, doesn’t want to incite a panic which would tank the economy (which would risk his re election) the more people stay home and shit. He wants people to act normally and not get tested en masse, taking the risk that people who develop severe symptoms may not present themselves to the hospital in time to save their lives. Unfortunately that could backfire, as even though there would technically be fewer positive test results (due to suppressing testing to only the sickest), people who are not as symptomatic may be spreading it further due to not ever being tested.

Anecdotally, I was at Starbucks a few days ago where the baristas were talking about another barista who didn’t want to go home when she was already sick. Likely because she didn’t have sick leave or wouldn’t get paid or was afraid of losing her job. The service sector and anyone with a not so great job may suffer the worst and spread this the most here.Profits and property before people, that's the American way.

Who can afford to take off work to self-quarantine for two weeks? Most Americans don't have 500 dollars in savings, ~60 percent live paycheck to paycheck. Missing work means risking your job and a place to live. For the uninsured, so does gettong sick. Mike Pence underscored the absurdity today: only for those with health insurance or eligible for Medicare/Medicaid will the cost of any eventual screening test be covered. Those most likely to spread the disease will be SOL.

The almost complete lack of testing and containment practically insures we qon't know the extent of the pandemic until people start going to hospitals with severe systems. The impact on hospitals and ERs could sideline a lot of doctors and nurses at the worst poasible time. The UC-Davis hospital had to quarantine something like 90 doctors and nurses from contact with one patient.

[Thread]

Can't be that bad...Comedians are permitted to joke about it.

[hater]

this is not only on Trump

Germany and France have a lot more cases than US and they are also opting to say fuck it let the country still run and let everyone get the virus

the handlers of the world have decided this as not to obliterate the economies

[boutons_deux]

That kind of makes sense. If the virus has not replicated that much in your body it may be difficult for a swab to detect it in sufficient quantity.

a person has symptoms on day 1, which would say there'e plenty of virus throughout, then still has to wait 4 days for testing.

if a reliable covid-18 tests were widely available, I doubt there would be such reticence to test.

As with the Houston case, they presume, but don't know since they can't test locally but must sent to CDC.

[hater]

with any luck it gets to Bibi

https://twitter.com/AIPAC/status/1235333245383987201?s=20

didnt Trump and Pence attend this :D

[SnakeBoy]

The almost complete lack of testing

Pence just said today that as early as Friday testing will be available via private labs such as Quest & Labcorp, that's in addition to the kits CDC is sending out to every one. Every physician will soon be able to order a test for anyone the suspect has it.

Ya'll are going to have to find a new thing to whine about.

Fauci also said they latest data from China, Korea, Italy confirms that serious cases are elderly and those with underlying health problems. They are focusing efforts on protecting those vulnerable groups. Those not at high risk will be advised to stay home with their cold and use common sense.

[CosmicCowboy]

Pence just said today that as early as Friday testing will be available via private labs such as Quest & Labcorp, that's in addition to the kits CDC is sending out to every one. Every physician will soon be able to order a test for anyone the suspect has it.

Ya'll are going to have to find a new thing to whine about.

Fauci also said they latest data from China, Korea, Italy confirms that serious cases are elderly and those with underlying health problems. They are focusing efforts on protecting those vulnerable groups. Those not at high risk will be advised to stay home with their cold and use common sense.

I'm having a hard time believing Pence. That's a lot of labs to stock basically overnight. Is it the CDC test or the WHO test?

[SnakeBoy]

I'm having a hard time believing Pence. That's a lot of labs to stock basically overnight. Is it the CDC test or the WHO test?

CDC test is 95%+ accurate. WHO test 75%

lol thinking the UN is the bestest

[SnakeBoy]

Seriously how are you people looking at China, Korea, Italy, Iran and thinking they're so much better than us?