Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[LkrFan]

ChangoAir... Pedro LkrFan recommended it, tbh...

Misspelled pedo para ser siento

:rollin :lmao :rollin

[boutons_deux]

Paxlovid is to keep one out of serious illness, hospitalization, it does not stop rebound infections

[Winehole23]

When you get a cold, do symptoms linger for 2 years?


This cross-sectional study found that the proportion of patients with at least 1 post–COVID-19 symptom 2 years after acute infection was 59.7% for hospitalized patients and 67.5% for those not requiring hospitalization. No significant differences in post–COVID-19 symptoms were seen between hospitalized and nonhospitalized patients.https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2798446

[DarrinS]

With all these long covid zombies walking around, you'd think I'd know at least one.

[spurraider21]

With all these long covid zombies walking around, you'd think I'd know at least one.
i mean as long as you personally dont know any, then they certainly must not exist

isnt it crazy that your mom survived cancer but people around the world still worry about cancer for some reason?

[DarrinS]

i mean as long as you personally dont know any, then they certainly must not exist

isnt it crazy that your mom survived cancer but people around the world still worry about cancer for some reason?


Almost 70% have long covid, and I don't know a single one? What are the odds?

I'm doubting the numbers WH posted.

[TimDunkem]

^Pretty good odds, I'd imagine. You never leave your pool and glass of Southern Comfort, let alone your zip code.

[ElNono]

Almost 70% have long covid, and I don't know a single one? What are the odds?

I'm doubting the numbers WH posted.

Well, you definitely know at least one, yourself. You did mention you had COVID multiple times, right?

[DarrinS]

Well, you definitely know at least one, yourself. You did mention you had COVID multiple times, right?

Having covid multiple times != "long covid"

[ElNono]

Having covid multiple times != "long covid"

Well, I mean, without actually testing, it's hard to tell if you're just re-infected or re-experiencing symptoms.

[DarrinS]

Well, I mean, without actually testing, it's hard to tell if you're just re-infected or re-experiencing symptoms.

I did test.

[ElNono]

I did test.

Oh good, I thought you didn't care and it was just the kung-flu :rolleyes

[DarrinS]

Page 9 is interesting. Reminds one of the famous John Snow map of cholera outbreak in London.

http://go.nypost.com/?id=93051X1547088&isjs=1&jv=15.3.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2022%2F10%2F27%2Fs enate-report-finds-covid-19-most-likely-leaked-out-of-chinese-lab%2F&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.help.senate.gov%2Fimo%2Fmedi a%2Fdoc%2Freport_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_cov id-19_102722.pdf&xs=1&xtz=360&xuuid=12f7a67cd8837512cd131afc5ffdef9f&xjsf=other_click__touchstart%20%5B%5D

[DarrinS]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/covid-is-no-longer-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated-here-s-why/ar-AA14sw71

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/covid-is-no-longer-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated-here-s-why/ar-AA14sw71

It’s still true that vaccinated groups are at a lower risk of dying from a covid-19 infection than the unvaccinated when the data is adjusted for age. An analysis released by the CDC last week underscores the protection that additional booster shots offer against severe illness and death as immunity wanes.

Let’s take a look at deaths in August, when the highly contagious BA.5 variant reached its peak:

That month, unvaccinated people aged 6 months and older died at about six times the rate of those who had received their primary series of shots.

People with one booster dose were even better protected. Unvaccinated people over the age of 5 had about 8 times the risk of dying from a coronavirus infection than those who received a booster shot.

Among individuals who were eligible to receive additional booster shots, the gap is even more striking. Unvaccinated people 50 and up had 12 times the risk of dying from covid-19 than adults the same age with two or more booster doses

Great article. Thanks, Darrin!

[Winehole23]

Anecdotally, I can't recall anytime in the last three years when more people I know personally were getting sick.

N95s work pretty well against all respiratory pathogens, stay healthy, y'all.


The broad consensus of peer-reviewed and published science has been straightforward: masks work. The degree depends on issues like real world compliance, study design, type of masks, and other factors. Here is a list of 27 peer-reviewed and published mask studies (https://github.com/mbevand/masking-effectiveness/blob/main/README.md). Of these, 22 studies find masks are effective, 1 is inconclusive, and 4 find masks generally ineffective.https://billius27.substack.com/p/masks-evidence-and-use

[pgardn]

Anecdotally, I can't recall anytime in the last three years when more people I know personally were getting sick.

N95s work pretty well against all respiratory pathogens, stay healthy, y'all.

https://billius27.substack.com/p/masks-evidence-and-use

Anecdotally my Father just had a very close friend go to the hospital after falling and hitting his head and neck area.
He started getting better, then got Covid while at BAMC, and died yesterday. They are now talking about extending the Covid ward.

You old dudes. Try to stay out of the hospital if you can handle an out patient procedure.

[Winehole23]

Anecdotally my Father just had a very close friend go to the hospital after falling and hitting his head and neck area.
He started getting better, then got Covid while at BAMC, and died yesterday. They are now talking about extending the Covid ward.

You old dudes. Try to stay out of the hospital if you can handle an out patient procedure.It's amazing to me that hospitals are being so blase about it now

[pgardn]

It's amazing to me that hospitals are being so blase about it now

You had to be masked up but visitors were allowed.
Even in ICU for closer family. Of course when he got Covid no visitors for 10 days until he got out of that section.
He lived for 2 days in the Covid ICU.

It has become clear you have to advocate for yourself and your family needs to be on top of things if you cannot do so.
Health Care in this country is NOT a priority.

[DarrinS]

Anecdotally my Father just had a very close friend go to the hospital after falling and hitting his head and neck area.
He started getting better, then got Covid while at BAMC, and died yesterday. They are now talking about extending the Covid ward.

You old dudes. Try to stay out of the hospital if you can handle an out patient procedure.

Probably died of the head injury.

[ChumpDumper]

Probably died of the head injury.Are you a doctor, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

Are you a doctor, Darrin?

My brother and sister are. This thing is a cold/flu now.

[Ef-man]

Karrin is moody as fuck but Biden PTSD could also be to blame check but I would vote yes...

Eight long covid symptoms:

1. Mood disorders
The COVID-19 illness itself or its effect on the body can cause mental health illness. People have developed depression and anxiety after their COVID-19 infection. For others, their preexisting mood disorder can get worse. Some ICU survivors also experience post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

2. Sleep issues
COVID-19 survivors may experience insomnia. Some may have difficulty falling asleep or staying asleep. Others experience new-onset nightmares. Sleep apnea can be seen as well, sometimes due to weight gain from the prolonged illness.

3. Breathing problems
Breathing is normally an unconscious process – something you do without thinking. Shortness of breath means you're consciously thinking about breathing and having difficulty doing so. Patients can experience shortness of breath after exertion or even at rest. A persistent cough is also a common post COVID-19 symptom.

4. Brain dysfunction, including brain fog
Brain fog (or trouble concentrating) is a common long COVID-19 symptom and may persist for weeks or longer. Symptoms can include inattention, cognitive troubles, fatigue, behavioral troubles, and other neurological symptoms. Less frequently, long COVID-19 can cause chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).

5. Heart issues
Long after someone's original infection, they may experience chest tightness or chest pain. Heart issues can also contribute to the post COVID-19 symptoms of lightheadedness, dizziness and vertigo.

Myocarditis or heart inflammation can be seen after COVID-19 infection. Importantly, myocarditis caused by the virus tends to be much more severe than myocarditis caused by the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna). Viral myocarditis is also far more common than vaccine myocarditis.

COVID-19 survivors can also develop a cardiovascular condition called postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS). A person with this syndrome has an unusually high heart rate after minimal activity, like standing up. 

6. Loss of taste or smell
One alarming symptom of post-COVID syndrome is the loss of taste and smell. The vast majority of people recover their sense of smell in two or three weeks. For a smaller percentage of patients, it may take months.

7. Hair loss
You normally lose hair in small amounts every day. But during an infection, your hair follicles get overstimulated. Then, all at once, many of the hair follicles go to a resting or shedding phase. Hair loss can also happen with other types of infections when fevers are present.

8. Skin rashes
Viruses can affect any part of the body where blood flows, so it's not surprising that it would affect the skin, which has the most blood vessels. Skin rashes can include small bumps, discolored areas or blisters. 

[DarrinS]

Muh long covid

[ChumpDumper]

My brother and sister are. That wasn't my question.

Are you a doctor, Darrin?

[MultiTroll]

Are you a doctor, Darrin?
Are you a doctor, ChumpDumper?

Yes or No?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you a doctor, ChumpDumper?

Yes or No?No.

I wasn't the one who made a judgment on cause of death from a paragraph on a message board.

Do you understand that, Flabby?

Yes or no.

[MultiTroll]

Are you a doctor, ChumpDumper?

Yes or No?


No.
Chumpy doesn't fold! :clap

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy doesn't fold! :clapFlabby folds

[MultiTroll]

I wasn't the one who made a judgment on cause of death from a paragraph on a message board.

Do you understand that, Flabby?

Yes or no.
Sort of.


Flabby folds
Chumpy I'm unable to answer all your questions within 2 minutes.
Feel free to continue to ask, but try not to get more bloated and irritable if it takes me over 2 minutes to respoond.
Ty.

[ChumpDumper]

Sort of.


Chumpy I'm unable to answer all your questions within 2 minutes.
Feel free to continue to ask, but try not to get more bloated and irritable if it takes me over 2 minutes to respoond.
Ty.
Flabby jumps after admitting he folded.

You responded to my post without answering the question.

That's folding.

Go eat your dozen day-old discount donuts.

[MultiTroll]

:rollin You've got a lot to untangle.

[pgardn]

Probably died of the head injury.

Nope.

He recovered from that, was out of ICU, and THEN got Covid which killed him.
Never left the hospital.
Are you aware that respiratory Covid has very specific symptoms?
Oxygen levels plummeted. Over. 82 yo

Good insight for not knowing much of anything doctor D.

[ChumpDumper]

:rollin You've got a lot to untangle.?

Everything's crystal clear.

You folded then scrambled to answer when you got called out.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

Probably died of the head injury.


Nope.

He recovered from that, was out of ICU, and THEN got Covid which killed him.
Never left the hospital.
Are you aware that respiratory Covid has very specific symptoms?
Oxygen levels plummeted. Over. 82 yo

Good insight for not knowing much of anything doctor D.

:lmao Darrin loses.

[MultiTroll]

?

Everything's crystal clear.

You folded then scrambled to answer when you got called out.:tu
Chumpy just make something up to declare e victory.

ChumpDumper :lol

[pgardn]

My brother and sister are. This thing is a cold/flu now.

So just put them in the Covid unit as well…. It’s all the same.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy just make something up to declare e victory.

ChumpDumper :lolIt's precisely what happened.:tu

[MultiTroll]

Chumpy just make something up to declare e victory.

ChumpDumper :lol


It's precisely what happened.:tu
Chumpy owns up. :wow :toast

Rack it.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy owns up. :wow :toast

Rack it.
:lol you folded and then scrambled when called out.:tu

[InRareForm]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11488203/Drug-alcohol-deaths-65s-TRIPLED-two-decades.html

[Winehole23]

Evolution just rendered the last monoclonal treatment for SARS2 obsolete.

1598044583732338690

[Winehole23]

CDC guidance is based on hospitalization, not transmission, so any eventual mask mandate would be very belated in terms of preventing disease and hospitalization.


Coronavirus case and hospitalization rates have risen dramatically in Los Angeles County, which on Thursday reentered the medium COVID-19 community level for the first time since the end of the summer Omicron wave (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-18/californias-summer-covid-wave-could-top-winter-surge).

The increasing rates of hospitalization — which are so rapid they are coming as a surprise to officials — raise the prospect of a return to an indoor mask mandate in L.A. County in the coming weeks, based on previously established criteria by local public health officials.



But before a mask mandate were triggered, the percentage of hospital beds used by coronavirus-positive patients also would need to exceed 10%, a level reached only during the two prior COVID-19 winter surges (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-10/los-angeles-county-winter-covid-surge-possible), the deadliest of the pandemic. The current figure is 5.6%, which is up from around 2% at the start of November.https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-12-01/growing-concerns-as-l-a-county-covid-cases-rise-dramatically

[Winehole23]

For weeks, children’s hospitals throughout California have reported being stressed by RSV (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-28/rsv-straining-childrens-hospitals-across-california) and other viral illnesses, causing Orange County (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-01/orange-county-declares-health-emergency-amid-rsv-spread) to declare a public health emergency. Some San Diego County hospitals have been forced to set up overflow tents (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-19/california-urges-caution-amid-spread-of-rsv-covid-flu) outside their emergency departments.

Fresno County on Thursday said the strain has extended to its adult hospitals. “As a result, several hospitals in our area are working over capacity and their emergency rooms are close to disaster levels,” the Fresno County Department of Public Health said in a statement.

[TSA]

For weeks, children’s hospitals throughout California have reported being stressed by RSV and other viral illnesses, causing Orange County to declare a public health emergency. Some San Diego County hospitals have been forced to set up overflow tents outside their emergency departments.

Fresno County on Thursday said the strain has extended to its adult hospitals. “As a result, several hospitals in our area are working over capacity and their emergency rooms are close to disaster levels,” the Fresno County Department of Public Health said in a statement.

Shutting down schools was a terrible mistake and this surge in RSV was called right when they were closed.

[baseline bum]

This thing is a cold/flu now.

LOL you have been saying that since May 2020.

[Winehole23]

Shutting down schools was a terrible mistake and this surge in RSV was called right when they were closed.Immunity debt isn't a thing, it's urban folklore.

[TSA]

Immunity debt isn't a thing, it's urban folklore.

This is not really an "immunity debt" but an "RSV debt" we all must pay at some point. And now, the virus is collecting what it is owed. There is no basis to claim that immune systems are somehow worse off because of the social distancing that was put in place. These RSV cases would all have occurred regardless of the pandemic -- and the mitigation measures employed -- but more evenly spread over multiple seasons. This would have been easier for pediatric hospitals to cope with.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/101962

[Winehole23]

it's absurd to suggest masking doesn't mitigate the spread of of respiratory disease.

TSA just keeps shitting his pants over and over in this thread.

[DarrinS]

it's absurd to suggest masking doesn't mitigate the spread of of respiratory disease.

TSA just keeps shitting his pants over and over in this thread.

No one is preventing you from wearing one.

[TSA]

it's absurd to suggest masking doesn't mitigate the spread of of respiratory disease.

TSA just keeps shitting his pants over and over in this thread.

Drinking early today? I said shutting down schools was a terrible mistake and is the cause of the RSV spike we are seeing, I said nothing of masks.


But...since you brought up masks that reminded me that you recently ran off in this thread after I called out for posting an absolutely shit study on masking in schools. Let's circle back to that now that you brought masks back up. Shall we?


masking mitigates disease and helps keep kids and teachers in school.


A new study in the New England Journal of Medicine sheds some light on this question. The authors examined COVID-19 case rates in districts in the Boston area after the Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education (DESE) lifted statewide school masking requirements in February 2022, in accordance with CDC guidance. What followed was a natural experiment in the impact of mask requirements, as school districts removed the requirement at different points in time or not at all. Two school districts (Boston and nearby Chelsea) retained the requirement throughout the study period.

The authors found that COVID-19 rates were similar among districts before the mask requirement was rescinded, then diverged quickly, with higher case rates in districts immediately following the removal of the mask requirement.

Approximately 12,000 cases, or 30% of all cases during the study period, were attributable to rescinding the mask requirement. The resulting illnesses led to substantial loss of in-person school days— an estimated minimum of 17,500 days of school absence in students and 6,500 days of staff absence—arguing for masks as a critical component of optimizing learning.

https://time.com/6231516/universal-masking-in-school-works-new-data-shows-how-well/


https://twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1591102872401608704

https://twitter.com/ifihadastick/status/1590900030202073088

https://twitter.com/AlexisKat6/status/1590858818367488000

https://twitter.com/AlexisKat6/status/1590848059986305026

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1591075019106525184


more TSA conspiracies

like I said, this isn't a matter of a single correlation in a single study. several posted itt come to similar conclusions.


You posted a shit study. I'm sorry this is happening to you.

https://emilyburns.substack.com/p/no-masks-dont-help-keep-kids-in-school


https://escipub.com/Articles/IRJPH/IRJPH-2021-08-1005.pdf

You going to respond this time or abandon the thread again for another week in the hopes that I forget?

[Winehole23]

Drinking early today? I said shutting down schools was a terrible mistake and is the cause of the RSV spike we are seeing, I said nothing of masks.


But...since you brought up masks that reminded me that you recently ran off in this thread after I called out for posting an absolutely shit study on masking in schools. Let's circle back to that now that you brought masks back up. Shall we?











You going to respond this time or abandon the thread again for another week in the hopes that I forget?Happy to respond to any specific questions, I see nothing but a wall of text

Sorry you got lonely, sounds like a personal problem.

[Winehole23]

In passing, your opinion that one study I linked here is shitty doesn't move the needle for me, the broad consensus of peer reviewed studies is that masking is effective. Many of them have been posted in this thread, happy to repost any that I can find, but feel free to use the search function if you start to feel lonely again.

[Winehole23]

Ordinarily, I'd be reluctant to repost Eric Feigl-Ding, but this is more detailed than most of the articles I've found this morning.

Note here the EFD isn't a zero COVID zealot. He seems to think, as I do do, that China's pivot to less restrictive COVID policies is big news for Chinese people and the world economy.

1600389242269491200

[Winehole23]

CDC recommends masking to put a stitch in the transmission of at least three respiratory viruses.

Also, wash your hands and don't touch your face if you don't want to get sick. Flu and RSV are already spiking and COVID's getting there again.

1599984292750233600

[Winehole23]

The horses are already out of the barn, this recommendation is way too late. At least they're recommending higher quality masks this time.

[boutons_deux]

CDC: Long COVID behind more than 3,500 deaths

the text of death certificates from Jan. 1, 2020, through June 30, 2022, and found 3,544 deaths

mentioning key terms such as “chronic COVID,” “long COVID,” “long haul COVID,” or “long hauler COVID.”

growing recognition of the severity of long COVID, a condition that remains poorly understood.

The vast majority of deaths — 78.5 percent — were among white Americans

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3774790-cdc-long-covid-behind-more-than-3500-deaths

[spurraider21]

my kid went through a bout of RSV last week. wasnt serious but hearing the wheezing at night was... uncomfortable

wife and i separately had the flu shortly after

[hater]

The horses are already out of the barn, this recommendation is way too late. At least they're recommending higher quality masks this time.

Thanks nurse.

And no I wont wear a mask anymore. That shits done. We already did that. Its over

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks nurse.

And no I wont wear a mask anymore. That shits done. We already did that. Its over

Tough guy.

[Winehole23]

Tough guy.Respiratory viruses don't care about hater's feelings, tbh.

[Winehole23]

wut?

:lol


Methods

We conducted a population-based longitudinal cohort analysis of adults and determined COVID vaccination status through linkages to individual electronic medical records. Traffic crashes requiring emergency medical care were subsequently identified by multicenter outcome ascertainment of all hospitals in the region over a 1-month follow-up interval (178 separate centers).

Results

A total of 11,270,763 individuals were included, of whom 16% had not received a COVID vaccine and 84% had received a COVID vaccine. The cohort accounted for 6682 traffic crashes during follow-up. Unvaccinated individuals accounted for 1682 traffic crashes (25%), equal to a 72% increased relative risk compared with those vaccinated (95% confidence interval, 63-82; P < 0.001). The increased traffic risks among unvaccinated individuals extended to diverse subgroups, was similar to the relative risk associated with sleep apnea, and was equal to a 48% increase after adjustment for age, sex, home location, socioeconomic status, and medical diagnoses (95% confidence interval, 40-57; P < 0.001). The increased risks extended across the spectrum of crash severity, appeared similar for Pfizer, Moderna, or other vaccines, and were validated in supplementary analyses of crossover cases, propensity scores, and additional controls.

Conclusions

These data suggest that COVID vaccine hesitancy is associated with significant increased risks of a traffic crash. An awareness of these risks might help to encourage more COVID vaccination.
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(22)00822-1/fulltext

[hater]

Tough guy.

Pussy

[hater]

Respiratory viruses don't care about hater's feelings, tbh.

Neither do they care about your mask wearing feelings :lol

You get a cold/flu you recover or die. This has been the case for millenia.

Cheers :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Pussy:lol no one is making you wear a mask.

There's nothing to rebel against. Talk to a therapist about your dad.

[hater]

:lol no one is making you wear a mask.

There's nothing to rebel against. Talk to a therapist about your dad.

Pussy

[ChumpDumper]

Pussy:lol you're so insecure

[hater]

:lol you're so insecure

Pussy

[ChumpDumper]

PussyWhy? Because I'm not wearing a mask either?

Because real men get polio?

:lmao

[Winehole23]

If you thought COVID zero was bad, just wait.


The Financial Times reports that supply chain experts are warning that there is a growing risk of months-long disruption to the supply of iPhones. Unlike the previous outbreak at the Zhengzhou iPhone factory, this disruption will be much further spread due to potential worker shortages at component plants and assembly lines across the country.

“We should be seeing a lot of operations get impacted by absenteeism, not just at factories, but warehouse, distribution, logistic and transportation facilities as well,” said Bindiya Vakil, chief executive of supply chain mapping company Resilinc, told FT.

The supply chain issues are also expected to hit Apple’s bottom line. Analysts believe that Apple’s revenue will fall below its record of $123.9 billion in the same quarter of last year with profit expected to drop below 8%, but that’s just the last quarter of this year. Next year could be worse.

Along with supply issues, Apple also relies on mainland China for a fifth of its revenue. Worker shortages affect not only manufacturing but also retail, with Apple stores in China already cutting hours due to a lack of available employees. There is also a concern that given the crisis, Chinese consumers will also stop spending on non-essential items until the worst of the outbreak has passed https://siliconangle.com/2022/12/25/apple-companies-face-disruption-amid-massive-covid-outbreak-china/

[Winehole23]

Apple is not alone in facing issues, with Tesla Inc. reported having suspended manufacturing at its Shanghai plant. The plant was expected to shut down over New Year, but the decision came earlier than expected.

Other companies with manufacturing facilities in mainland China that are likely to be affected include Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., Microsoft Corp., Google LLC, Dell Corp. and HP Development Co. LP.

[Dirks_Finale]

I had this sh1t this month. All I can say is, yes it's more of a head cold now, but don't believe the hype. It's stil pretty potent and you might also get weird symptoms not typical of covid like very sensitive skin, etc. I got better, then tested negative and then days later got a rebound infection. Also, initially makes it awkward going into the office for work purposes after recovery.

Not sure how effective this new booster is, but might not be a bad idea for those of you who want to avoid all this.

[Will Hunting]

I had this sh1t this month. All I can say is, yes it's more of a head cold now, but don't believe the hype. It's stil pretty potent and you might also get weird symptoms not typical of covid like very sensitive skin, etc. I got better, then tested negative and then days later got a rebound infection. Also, initially makes it awkward going into the office for work purposes after recovery.

Not sure how effective this new booster is, but might not be a bad idea for those of you who want to avoid all this.
If you can get Paxlovid it usually nixes the rebound infection and it makes it so the head cold symptoms last for a day tops. Once Paxlovid becomes widely available and is in full circulation COVID really won't be much of a thing imo

[Dirks_Finale]

If you can get Paxlovid it usually nixes the rebound infection and it makes it so the head cold symptoms last for a day tops. Once Paxlovid becomes widely available and is in full circulation COVID really won't be much of a thing imo

Yeah, I've heard that's like a wonder drug but you have to get it early, like within 5 days of infection.

[ElNono]

If you can get Paxlovid it usually nixes the rebound infection and it makes it so the head cold symptoms last for a day tops. Once Paxlovid becomes widely available and is in full circulation COVID really won't be much of a thing imo


Yeah, I've heard that's like a wonder drug but you have to get it early, like within 5 days of infection.

I took it when I had COVID last month. Worked great and no rebound.

Probably take a booster next month. Need a couple of months to pass since the infection before you can take the booster.

[DarrinS]

https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/medical/pfizer-says-paxlovid-doesn-t-help-covid-19-patients-unless-they-are-high-risk/ar-AAYvi2x

[ElNono]

https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/medical/pfizer-says-paxlovid-doesn-t-help-covid-19-patients-unless-they-are-high-risk/ar-AAYvi2x

Correct. My wife got it after me and the doc didn’t prescribe it for her. I have high cholesterol, so doc thought it would be a good for me.

That’s not to say that Pfizer can’t come up with a version that’s safe for everyone, tbh. Science!

[pgardn]

Lets go back to Ivermectin.
Cheap, does not work.
Ahhh the fanciful first year of this disease...
Miss that kind of science. "Look there is this cheap farm drug the powers of big pharma are trying to with hold from us"

[DarrinS]

Correct. My wife got it after me and the doc didn’t prescribe it for her. I have high cholesterol, so doc thought it would be a good for me.

That’s not to say that Pfizer can’t come up with a version that’s safe for everyone, tbh. Science!


Lol, high cholesterol. You aren't high risk. Keep taking emergency use authorization meds. Seems safe.

[spurraider21]

Lol, high cholesterol. You aren't high risk. Keep taking emergency use authorization meds. Seems safe.
He should probably trust his doctor more than he trusts you tbh

[Isitjustme?]

Darrin "just asking questions" again..

[leemajors]

He should probably trust his doctor more than he trusts you tbh

Bro his nephew is a doctor, it's not much different

[pgardn]

Bro his nephew is a doctor, it's not much different

Did his nephew prescribe ivermectin or was that Darrin himself.
No one will ever know.

[pgardn]

Btw it looks like China is probably going into the shitter for a bit.
Crappy vaccine. German President made a visit to China just to get a proper vaccine to German expatriates.
They basically relied only on testing, masking and shutdowns. Vaccine was shit and they did not push it.
They stopped the shutdown policy so here we go with their factories not producing.
Its possible for a big change in their economic machine again. Should be interesting for the US stocks.

We wont get accurate hospital numbers from them, so watch how their economy performs and what China is unable to provide.
Lots of western media provided this independently early on. When the protests were occurring.

[ElNono]

Lol, high cholesterol. You aren't high risk. Keep taking emergency use authorization meds. Seems safe.

That’s why I have a doctor, so I don’t have to deal with stupid.

[SpursforSix]

Lets go back to Ivermectin.
Cheap, does not work.
Ahhh the fanciful first year of this disease...
Miss that kind of science. "Look there is this cheap farm drug the powers of big pharma are trying to with hold from us"

I'm not sure about that. I personally know people that took Ivermectin once they were diagnosed and they recovered very quickly. I don't think we can just write it off for everyone as it affects everyone differently.

[goliath]

I had COVID a couple weeks ago. 50 years old, vaccinated with one booster, high blood pressure. Symptoms started Monday night, tested positive Tuesday, started plaxlovid Tuesday night, symptoms got better by Wednesday morning and basically resolved by Wednesday night/thursday morning, tested negative Saturday. Maybe it was a coincidence but my symptoms seemed milder, resolved faster and tested negative faster than people I know who didn't take Plaxlovid.

[baseline bum]

Btw it looks like China is probably going into the shitter for a bit.
Crappy vaccine. German President made a visit to China just to get a proper vaccine to German expatriates.
They basically relied only on testing, masking and shutdowns. Vaccine was shit and they did not push it.
They stopped the shutdown policy so here we go with their factories not producing.
Its possible for a big change in their economic machine again. Should be interesting for the US stocks.

We wont get accurate hospital numbers from them, so watch how their economy performs and what China is unable to provide.
Lots of western media provided this independently early on. When the protests were occurring.

LOL they broke immediately from zero COVID because they wanted to blame the protests when COVID had already been flaring up there for months. Also LOL the COVID death toll being officially seven. Can't wait to see hater come in here and tell us how amazing China's response has been.

[baseline bum]

I'm not sure about that. I personally know people that took Ivermectin once they were diagnosed and they recovered very quickly. I don't think we can just write it off for everyone as it affects everyone differently.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw

[Adam Lambert]

I'm not sure about that. I personally know people that took Ivermectin once they were diagnosed and they recovered very quickly. I don't think we can just write it off for everyone as it affects everyone differently.

I know people who ate cheeseburgers after they were diagnosed and they also recovered very quickly.

[Dirks_Finale]

I took it when I had COVID last month. Worked great and no rebound.

Probably take a booster next month. Need a couple of months to pass since the infection before you can take the booster.

Moderna was talking about a yearly, updated Covid shot mixed with flu Vaxx. Hopefully that becomes a thing by next fall. I hear that insurances may not cover it, but if it works, still well worth the money, IMO.

[SpursforSix]

I know people who ate cheeseburgers after they were diagnosed and they also recovered very quickly.

Believe what you want. There's enough anecdotal evidence for me to believe it works in some cases.

[Adam Lambert]

Believe what you want. There's enough anecdotal evidence for me to believe it works in some cases.

The point of medical studies is to go beyond anecdote.
https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/jama-ivermectin-study.html

[SpursforSix]

The point of medical studies is to go beyond anecdote.
https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/jama-ivermectin-study.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7129059/

[DarrinS]

I had COVID a couple weeks ago. 50 years old, vaccinated with one booster, high blood pressure. Symptoms started Monday night, tested positive Tuesday, started plaxlovid Tuesday night, symptoms got better by Wednesday morning and basically resolved by Wednesday night/thursday morning, tested negative Saturday. Maybe it was a coincidence but my symptoms seemed milder, resolved faster and tested negative faster than people I know who didn't take Plaxlovid.


Paxlovid rebound more common than initially thought.

"President Joe Biden and his wife Jill; Biden's top medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci; and Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, each experienced rebound."


https://abcnews.go.com/Health/paxlovid-rebound-common-initially-thought-doctors/story?id=92886159

[DarrinS]

From same article

"Still, the drug isn't right for everyone, including people taking certain medications such as some cholesterol-lowering drugs and blood thinners."

[Adam Lambert]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7129059/

That's a June 2020 study. Also, under Discussion/Main Findings:
Although our preliminary results suggest that ivermectin may reduce mortality, it is crucial to highlight that when trials with a high risk of bias are excluded, ivermectin results in a non-significant decrease in mortality. We found that in comparison with placebo or SOC, using ivermectin did not significantly change our outcomes, including progression to severe disease, negative RT-PCR, recovery, duration of hospitalization, time to negative RT-PCR, and viral load. Although no risk of publication bias was observed in primary outcomes, it is noteworthy that, based on the Cochrane handbook's suggestions, the power of these tests is too low for less than 10 studies to be included. We also identified that some registered RCTs finished without reporting results and so there may be publication bias. The overall certainty of evidence suggest that more research is needed and final conclusions should not be drawn based on the current findings and there is insufficient evidence to recommend it for therapeutic purposes in the context of health care at this time.

Here's a more current one from the same website:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7129059/

[SpursforSix]

That's a June 2020 study. Also, under Discussion/Main Findings:
Although our preliminary results suggest that ivermectin may reduce mortality, it is crucial to highlight that when trials with a high risk of bias are excluded, ivermectin results in a non-significant decrease in mortality. We found that in comparison with placebo or SOC, using ivermectin did not significantly change our outcomes, including progression to severe disease, negative RT-PCR, recovery, duration of hospitalization, time to negative RT-PCR, and viral load. Although no risk of publication bias was observed in primary outcomes, it is noteworthy that, based on the Cochrane handbook's suggestions, the power of these tests is too low for less than 10 studies to be included. We also identified that some registered RCTs finished without reporting results and so there may be publication bias. The overall certainty of evidence suggest that more research is needed and final conclusions should not be drawn based on the current findings and there is insufficient evidence to recommend it for therapeutic purposes in the context of health care at this time.

Here's a more current one from the same website:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7129059/

I think the link you sent is the exact same.

[pgardn]

I'm not sure about that. I personally know people that took Ivermectin once they were diagnosed and they recovered very quickly. I don't think we can just write it off for everyone as it affects everyone differently.

yeah it could have been they were going to get well anyway.
If you look at how ivermectin actually works it really makes no sense biochemically.
Actually, its probably safer NOT to take it.

[pgardn]

LOL they broke immediately from zero COVID because they wanted to blame the protests when COVID had already been flaring up there for months. Also LOL the COVID death toll being officially seven. Can't wait to see hater (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) come in here and tell us how amazing China's response has been.

Its not gonna be pretty.
And some people are saying stocks are reacting to the supply chain possibly becoming much more vulnerable.
One thing the Chinese are not going to be as interested in is Russia pulling its shit during the wrong time for them.
Now who gets the blame in China for having a crappy vaccine... And yeah the actual covid numbers are just ridiculous so we have to rely on watching their economic engine start stuttering and choking.

[SpursforSix]

yeah it could have been they were going to get well anyway.
If you look at how ivermectin actually works it really makes no sense biochemically.
Actually, its probably safer NOT to take it.

Yeah I get that it doesn’t make total scientific sense. But I don’t believe we really understand COVID either.

[Winehole23]

"it's just a cold"

"how long will you keep living in fear?"

https://www.axios.com/2022/12/28/china-covid-cases-us-travel-policy-negative-test

[InRareForm]

They are saying 5k deaths a day in china . No mRNA vaccines in production there. But keep doubting the vaccines

[ElNono]

Moderna was talking about a yearly, updated Covid shot mixed with flu Vaxx. Hopefully that becomes a thing by next fall. I hear that insurances may not cover it, but if it works, still well worth the money, IMO.

It’ll be covered by most serious insurances because companies don’t like sick workers, tbh.

[ElNono]

From same article

"Still, the drug isn't right for everyone, including people taking certain medications such as some cholesterol-lowering drugs and blood thinners."

This wasn’t a problem for me tho. I was simply told to stop taking the statin med for the duration of the paxlovid course, which is only 5 days.

[pgardn]

This wasn’t a problem for me tho. I was simply told to stop taking the statin med for the duration of the paxlovid course, which is only 5 days.

its contraindicated...

Paxlovid can block an enzyme responsible for breaking down statins, causing them to linger in your body. This can worsen the risk of side effects, such as muscle pain. In rare cases, rhabdomyolysis (intense muscle breakdown) is also possible


Dr. Darrin strikes again..

[pgardn]

Lol, high cholesterol. You aren't high risk. Keep taking emergency use authorization meds. Seems safe.

Does Dr. Darrin know what statins are used for?

[Luka Doncic]

1608328378805022722

:lol

[Winehole23]

Let er rip


As many as 60% of textile and dyeing companies in the coastal provinces of Guangdong, Zhejiang, and Shandong — which are the country’s main manufacturing hubs — have announced they would suspend production and have a long holiday lasting two months, according to the Securities Daily last week, a newspaper run by state-owned Henan Daily Press Group.https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/economy/china-covid-surge-economy-strain-intl-hnk/index.html

[Winehole23]

"It's just a cold"


NHK has learned that a scientific study in Japan shows that people infected with the coronavirus have a far higher risk of developing disorders of the heart or veins than those who were not infected.

A team led by Nagoya Institute of Technology Professor Hirata Akimasa analyzed medical expense receipts of 1.25 million people.

The team found that 0.1 percent of infected people sought treatment for myocardial infarction within two months after testing positive during the fourth wave of outbreak in the spring of 2021.

That was 10.7 times higher than the rate for uninfected.

During the fifth wave in the summer of that year, 0.15 percent of the infected received treatment.

That was 24.6 times higher than that for the uninfected.

The risk of heart failure among COVID-19 patients was 10.4 times higher in the fourth wave and 6.6 times higher in the fifth wave.

For thrombosis, or blood clots in the veins, the risk was 53.1 times and 43.4 times higher respectively.

Infected people had 8.4 times and 6.3 times higher risk of developing diabetes during the two outbreaks.

Those who developed the illnesses are believed to have had no serious underlying health conditions.

The team says there was little difference between infected and uninfected people in the sixth wave early this year, when the Omicron subvariant became dominant.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20221228_03/

[pgardn]

Let er rip

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/26/economy/china-covid-surge-economy-strain-intl-hnk/index.html

crap...

They learned nothing.
Too proud to use a working vaccine.
Too paranoid to tell the truth to the people.

We tried to tell people what we thought at the time and how it changed as we got more evidence in.
And the red team tried to use their extensive knowledge of science and what we knew and when we knew it into a festival of lies.
Also, "we dont know" does not work so well in politics for people who only see in black and white.
Hell, we may not have learned much either. Despite getting slapped in the face with the best evidence.

[DarrinS]

Adios Fauci

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-leaves-broken-agency-his-successor-opinion-1770215

[Winehole23]

Overdue, tbh.

[ElNono]

Adios Fauci

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-leaves-broken-agency-his-successor-opinion-1770215

Can’t thank that guy enough for his service, tbh :tu

[Winehole23]

Doubled in the US in one week.

Don't worry, it's just a cold.


The BQ and XBB subvariants of SARS-CoV-2 Omicron are now rapidly expanding, possibly due to altered antibody evasion properties deriving from their additional spike mutations. Here, we report that neutralization of BQ.1, BQ.1.1, XBB, and XBB.1 by sera from vaccinees and infected persons was markedly impaired, including sera from individuals boosted with a WA1/BA.5 bivalent mRNA vaccine. Titers against BQ and XBB subvariants were lower by 13- to 81-fold and 66- to 155-fold, respectively, far beyond what had been observed to date. Monoclonal antibodies capable of neutralizing the original Omicron variant were largely inactive against these new subvariants, and the responsible individual spike mutations were identified. These subvariants were found to have similar ACE2-binding affinities as their predecessors. Together, our findings indicate that BQ and XBB subvariants present serious threats to current COVID-19 vaccines, render inactive all authorized antibodies, and may have gained dominance in the population because of their advantage in evading antibodies.https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)01531-8

[Winehole23]

Our data demonstrate that these new subvariants were barely susceptible to neutralization by sera from vaccinated individuals with or without prior infection, including persons recently boosted with the new bivalent (WA1/BA.5) mRNA vaccines

[Winehole23]

Where's our Warp Speed 2.0?

[Winehole23]

Where's our reliable COVID test?

1609255515963498499

[Winehole23]

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention don't control or prevent shit, seems to be the lesson. Not their job, apparently.

[Winehole23]

The risk of serious complications rises every time you get infected, according to the study cited.


THE RISK OF HOSPITALIZATION, organ damage, and death rises markedly with repeat COVID-19 infection. Assistant professor of medicine Amy Barczak shared a Nature study that used data from the Veteran’s Administration to assess the cumulative risk of post-infection effects in people with one, two, and three or more SARS-CoV-2 infections, as compared to noninfected controls. The data show a consistent pattern of increased likelihood of hospitalization, cardiovascular effects, clotting and other blood disorders, diabetes, fatigue, gastrointestinal distress, kidney damage, mental health effects such as depression, musculoskeletal damage, neurological deficits, and pulmonary damage with each episode. Prior infection does not change the course of disease in subsequent infections, just the risk of severe complications. That risk is connected to baseline health status, including comorbidities such as obesity and other preexisting conditions, and it increases with age. https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2022/12/covid-reinfection

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhNn_UHXkAIImrZ?format=png&name=medium

[illusioNtEk]

Adios Fauci

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-leaves-broken-agency-his-successor-opinion-1770215

the information in that article is 100% false.... just because Fauci didn't bend the knee to your orange jesus trump.

[ChumpDumper]

Adios Fauci

https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-leaves-broken-agency-his-successor-opinion-1770215

You said COVID is the sniffles and let it rip. Now you're saying Fauci didn't do enough socialism for you.

[DarrinS]

You said COVID is the sniffles and let it rip. Now you're saying Fauci didn't do enough socialism for you.

Obviously, you didn't read it.

[ChumpDumper]

Obviously, you didn't read it.I did. The author's school has an endowment of $8 billion. perhaps he could have asked them for some grant money.

If I'm wrong, you need to be a man and actually post your own take, Darrin.

You won't.

[Winehole23]

Mechanism for immune dysregulation and blood clotting found. The study also suggests mild to moderate infection screws up the ability of your immune system to recognize pathogens.

1608945441516969986

[Winehole23]

Considering who it's coming from, not encouraging.

We're running out of tools to manage SARS2.

1610648612907753474

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Considering who it's coming from, not encouraging.

We're running out of tools to manage SARS2.

1610648612907753474

It's a seasonal virus that evolves every year or so like the flu. We definitely need to maintain the R&D to keep up with things but this is going on year 3 and this sensationalism is tiring.

Older victims being more at risk is not new. Boosters being essential to maintain immunity is not new.

[Winehole23]

It's a seasonal virus that evolves every year or so like the flu. We definitely need to maintain the R&D to keep up with things but this is going on year 3 and this sensationalism is tiring.

Older victims being more at risk is not new. Boosters being essential to maintain immunity is not new.Jha has been a consistent "vax and done" minimizer, I don't see the sensationalism.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Jha has been a consistent "vex and done" minimizer, I don't see the sensationalism.

Qualitative statements like "very little" and "serious illness" without context prima facie.

the conclusion I got from it was that I should get a new booster for this variant similar to the past. you went so far as "we are running out of tools."

[Winehole23]

Qualitative statements like "very little" and "serious illness" without context prima facie.

the conclusion I got from it was that I should get a new booster for this variant similar to the past. you went so far as "we are running out of tools."check the previous two pages, there's empirical support for saying so.

[Winehole23]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283058&page=1585&p=10848317&viewfull=1#post10848317

[Winehole23]

Leaving us with zero FDA emergency approved monoclonal treatments for COVID.

Was the FDA caving to sensationalism?


The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said on Wednesday that the COVID-19 monoclonal antibody treatment bebtelovimab from Eli Lilly is no longer authorized for emergency use in the U.S. as it is not expected to be effective at neutralizing the two most dominant omicron subvariants in the country right now.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3756877-fda-pauses-authorization-for-last-remaining-covid-19-monoclonal-antibody-treatment/

[FuzzyLumpkins]

check the previous two pages, there's empirical support for saying so.

Which is exactly the same scenario last year with last year's new variants. You think they are not going to be able to analyze the new strains to come up with the RNA this time for some reason?

[Winehole23]

Which is exactly the same scenario last year with last year's new variants. You think they are not going to be able to analyze the new strains to come up with the RNA this time for some reason?No.

That said, it's not sensationalism to say we're running out of tools at the moment. SARS2 has evolved past them. The study I cited seems to indicated XBB1.5 is more contagious and more immune evasive than OG Omicron. We'll see what that means for sickness, severity and gross mortality in the next few months. Hopefully it's not worse, Omicron has been pretty bad so far.

[boutons_deux]

Nearly 250,000 covid deaths in 2022

The pandemic is finally over

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No.

That said, it's not sensationalism to say we're running out of tools at the moment. SARS2 has evolved past them. The study I cited seems to indicated XBB1.5 is more contagious and more immune evasive than OG Omicron. We'll see what that means for sickness, severity and gross mortality in the next few months. Hopefully it's not worse, Omicron has been pretty bad so far.

There is still the bivalent vaccine. And we are jsut going to have to disagree on the word choice.

[Winehole23]

There is still the bivalent vaccine. And we are jsut going to have to disagree on the word choice.nah, you got it wrong.

what I said is factually well supported, we do in fact have fewer tools that we had 2 months ago, and a lot fewer than one year ago.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

nah, you got it wrong.

what I said is factually well supported, we do in fact have fewer tools that we had 2 months ago, and a lot fewer than one year ago.

there is still a bivalent vaccine and I never said anything one way or another about your strawman. I get that is your reason and I am trying to tell you is there are still options, the R & D complex still exists, and thus I don't like the word choice.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And let's not forget this exact same OMG WE AREN'T GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH VACCINES lines around this time last year when omicron first was a thing.

[Winehole23]

when you have a chance, check to see if that stick in your butt has a stick in its butt that needs removing.

seems you're just making stuff up to be miffed about, your vague grievances aren't for me to untangle, tbh.

[Winehole23]

VA patients may not be the healthiest cohort, but it is a large one.

n=483,588
control group=5,334,729





https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlqF_UnXwAAmo-O?format=jpg&name=900x900https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

[slick'81]

https://share.icloud.com/photos/075papWPvPsEls9_KUOS7MxBwhttps://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/4e395de2-a22b-4fd5-989d-b79dda539fb5

welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today:lobt2:

[spurraider21]

https://share.icloud.com/photos/075papWPvPsEls9_KUOS7MxBwwelp, wish me luck guys
probably dont want to provide a link that includes your full name imho

[slick'81]

probably dont want to provide a link that includes your full name imho


its not my phone but thanks for the heads up

[Winehole23]

https://share.icloud.com/photos/075papWPvPsEls9_KUOS7MxBwhttps://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/4e395de2-a22b-4fd5-989d-b79dda539fb5

welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today:lobt2:best wishes for a speedy recovery

[Ef-man]

https://share.icloud.com/photos/075papWPvPsEls9_KUOS7MxBwhttps://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/4e395de2-a22b-4fd5-989d-b79dda539fb5

welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today:lobt2:

Speedy recovery!

[Dirks_Finale]

Just get plenty of rest. Don't let your employer push you into coming back until you are ready.

It can be quite a roller coaster.


https://share.icloud.com/photos/075papWPvPsEls9_KUOS7MxBwhttps://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/4e395de2-a22b-4fd5-989d-b79dda539fb5

welp, wish me luck guys tested positive today:lobt2:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

when you have a chance, check to see if that stick in your butt has a stick in its butt that needs removing.

seems you're just making stuff up to be miffed about, your vague grievances aren't for me to untangle, tbh.

I wasn't upset. I just didn't think it justified. Now that you don't have an actual response to my points you are taking this tactic which does actually indicate an emotional response.

Get over yourself, wine.

[DarrinS]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512201982X

[ChumpDumper]

Not gonna read anything upon which Darrin is too drunk to comment.

[DarrinS]

Not gonna read anything upon which Darrin is too drunk to comment.

:cry

[ChumpDumper]

:cry

That's pretty much all you do here since Trump lost.

[Winehole23]

I wasn't upset. I just didn't think it justified. Now that you don't have an actual response to my points you are taking this tactic which does actually indicate an emotional response.

Get over yourself, wine.you didn't have a point that I could see.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you didn't have a point that I could see.

Of course because you behave like a child and try to pin it on others with your passive aggressiveness. If you want to play intentionally obtuse like Karrin and the nihilist dimwits you go for it.

[Adam Lambert]

That's pretty much all you do here since Obama won his first term.

FIFY

[Winehole23]

Of course because you behave like a child and try to pin it on others with your passive aggressiveness. If you want to play intentionally obtuse like Karrin and the nihilist dimwits you go for it.you had a bad take, and reacted badly to having it pointed out. happens all the time.

[Winehole23]

Small cohort, but lingering heart problem have been clocked in a number of studies.

Maybe letting kids hotbox COVID all day long at school isn't the best idea.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlvlKrZXEAENusb?format=jpg&name=mediumhttps://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/12/1/186

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you had a bad take, and reacted badly to having it pointed out. happens all the time.

My take is that there are still viable vaccines and the R&D machine is going to continue to continue producing multiple vaccines annually just like we have seen for the past two years.

Claiming we are "running out of tools" is analogous to saying you're "running out of money" after a big purchase when you still have enough money to pay your bills and you have a paycheck coming.

Try to talk about the subject instead of the banal claims of victory.

[Winehole23]

Long COVID review drops.

Some posters prefer to focus on other posters, Biden Administration has lost the thread on COVID.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmX0o1jaMAAJTgd?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmX0rrGaMAAtdCs?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmX0taJaAAAwMke?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmX0u_LaYAIevwq?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2

[pgardn]

China is getting hammered by “the sniffles”

[Winehole23]

BMJ study in Israel on long covid drops.

1613550516327575553

https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072529##

[boutons_deux]

Capitalism's proportion: you want to live? pay me


Moderna Plans 4,000% Markup for Covid Vaccine

https://inthesetimes.com/article/moderna-plans-4-000-markup-for-covid-vaccine

govt gave Moderna many $10Ms to develop the vaccine

[boutons_deux]

So many pilots had damaged hearts, the EKG band had to be widened to keep pilots flying

The FAA has very quietly tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal.

We should be concerned. Very concerned.

After the vaccine rolled out,

the FAA secretly widened the EKG parameter range for pilots so they wouldn't be grounded.

It looks like the vax gave at least 50M Americans heart damage.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/the-faa-has-very-quietly-tacitly

[Winehole23]

The world's financial elite don't seem to think COVID is just a harmless cold.

https://www3.weforum.org/docs/AM23_Health_and_Safety_Measures.pdf

[Winehole23]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/davos_airborne.png

[Winehole23]

massive, ongoing economic and social impacts. SARS2 can't be swept under the rug.


An estimated 14.0% of adults aged 18-84 y (35.11 million adults) and 15.5% of working-aged adults aged 18-64 y (30.65 million adults) had developed long COVID by November 2022. Several sociodemographic and socioeconomic factors predicted long COVID including lower household income, being aged 30-49 y, Hispanic, female, gay/lesbian or bisexual, and divorced/separated. Even after accounting for such factors, having long COVID was linked to higher risks of recent unemployment, financial hardship, and anxiety and depressive symptomatology, with evidence of dose-response relationships. Overall, an estimated 27.7 million US adults aged 18-84 y and 24.2 million working-aged adults with long COVID who had been or may still be at risk of adverse socioeconomic and mental health outcomes. Lost work was further calculated to be the equivalent of 3 million workers annually, and the estimated annual lost earnings due to long COVID among working-aged adults totaled $175 billionhttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.06.23284199v2

[SpursforSix]

massive, ongoing economic and social impacts. SARS2 can't be swept under the rug.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.06.23284199v2

Bring in the robots.

[Winehole23]

Chinese cyber authorities have announced an internet censorship crackdown to ensure there are no “gloomy sentiments” caused by pandemic “rumours” during the lunar new year festival.

It comes as health forecasting firm Airfinity estimated more than 600,000 people have likely died since zero-Covid restrictions were lifted in December – 10 times more than Chinese authorities have officially declared.

The month-long “Spring Festival online improvement” program will target those spreading what authorities deem to be “rumours” about the spread of Covid and patient experiences.

The national cyber administration specified “in-depth rectification of false information and other issues to prevent gloomy sentiments”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/19/china-announces-lunar-new-year-censorship-crackdown-to-silence-covid-rumours

[Winehole23]

Bring in the robots.I tend to doubt robots can replace line cooks and nurses. Same is likely true of most other jobs.

[SpursforSix]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/19/china-announces-lunar-new-year-censorship-crackdown-to-silence-covid-rumours

USA had just over a million COVID deaths. I'm not sure why this news about China is surprising on concerning.

[SpursforSix]

I tend to doubt robots can replace line cooks and nurses. Same is likely true of most other jobs.

Robots won't replace everyone. At some point, I think we still need the face to face communication. But robots and AI will certainly cut jobs. Just from being more efficient at processing information.

[Winehole23]

USA had just over a million COVID deaths. I'm not sure why this news about China is surprising on concerning.it's newsworthy, but I agree, not surprising.

[Winehole23]

SARS2 has a long tail

1616633611352002560

[SnakeBoy]

It's almost over

President Biden to end COVID-19 emergencies on May 11
https://nypost.com/2023/01/30/president-biden-to-end-covid-19-emergencies-on-may-11/

"Once the emergency expires, people with private insurance will have some out-of-pocket costs for vaccines, tests and treatment, while the uninsured will have to pay for those expenses in their entirety."

No more freeloading

[Ef-man]

It's almost over

President Biden to end COVID-19 emergencies on May 11
https://nypost.com/2023/01/30/president-biden-to-end-covid-19-emergencies-on-may-11/

"Once the emergency expires, people with private insurance will have some out-of-pocket costs for vaccines, tests and treatment, while the uninsured will have to pay for those expenses in their entirety."

No more freeloading

So Joe is good now or was it a great happy hour?

[ChumpDumper]

It's almost over

President Biden to end COVID-19 emergencies on May 11
https://nypost.com/2023/01/30/president-biden-to-end-covid-19-emergencies-on-may-11/

"Once the emergency expires, people with private insurance will have some out-of-pocket costs for vaccines, tests and treatment, while the uninsured will have to pay for those expenses in their entirety."

No more freeloadingYour governor says it's still an emergency.

[Winehole23]

It's almost over

President Biden to end COVID-19 emergencies on May 11
https://nypost.com/2023/01/30/president-biden-to-end-covid-19-emergencies-on-may-11/

"Once the emergency expires, people with private insurance will have some out-of-pocket costs for vaccines, tests and treatment, while the uninsured will have to pay for those expenses in their entirety."

No more freeloadinggod forbid the USA should use its wealth and power to fight an ongoing pandemic.

[Winehole23]

We pass laws to prevent children from learning about Jim Crow and the second Reconstruction, but do very little to protect them from a ubiquitous airborne pathogen that causes vascular disease.


Placed within this list, the rate of COVID-19 deaths in the study period exceeded the rate of influenza and pneumonia deaths in 2019 — reported at 0.6 deaths per 100,000 people — and fell just short of deaths caused by heart disease — 1.1 deaths per 100,000 people. That placed COVID-19 eighth out of the 10 ranked causes of death.

If the team excluded deaths unrelated to disease, meaning those caused by unintentional injuries, assault or suicide, COVID-19 ranked fifth out of the remaining causes of death. (Unintentional injuries initially ranked second, at 9.1 deaths per 100,000 people, and assaults and suicides ranked fourth and fifth, respectively, at about 3.4 deaths per 100,000 people.)

"Our study period, August 1, 2021, to July 31, 2022, coincides with substantial infection waves of the COVID-19 Delta and Omicron variants (https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-variants.html)," the researchers noted in their report.

Finally, the researchers looked at the 10 leading causes of death dating back to 2015. They found that the rankings had remained largely unchanged between 2015 and 2021, with the exception of COVID-19 making the list in 2021.

"In this study, COVID-19 was a leading cause of death among individuals aged 0 to 19 years in the US," the study authors concluded. "Our findings underscore the public health relevance of COVID-19 to CYP [children and young people]."
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-cause-of-death-children

[InRareForm]

1620218288243605505

[SnakeBoy]

god forbid the USA should use its wealth and power to fight an ongoing pandemic.

Ongoing until May 11th, then it's officially just another virus.

[DarrinS]

1620296777596559360

[ChumpDumper]

Still, shouldn't all the Swedes be superdupernaturally immune?

[pgardn]

1620296777596559360

Deaths per day becomes super important if your medical system is overloaded like happened in the US.
Of course some people do not believe this ever happened. It was all good in the US especially during the 1st type of virus we got.
Dont know what the case is in Sweden.

[InRareForm]

Covid is weird . Remember when alpha variant was here , only two states were badly affected but nobody else really

[InRareForm]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64474594

[Winehole23]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64474594Mammal to mammal transmission is worrisome. Close contact with infected birds has been the main vector so far. If people start getting H5N1 from other people it could get rugged.

[Tyronn Lue]

Mammal to mammal transmission is worrisome. Close contact with infected birds has been the main vector so far. If people start getting H5N1 from other people it could get rugged.
So ducks is fucked?

[Winehole23]

So ducks is fucked?

We'll see. Hopefully a vaccine will soon be on the way.

[ElNono]

We'll see. Hopefully a vaccine will soon be on the way.

Need some marketing spin for the anti-vaxxers, tbh... The "freedom vaccine"!

[pgardn]

Need some marketing spin for the anti-vaxxers, tbh... The "freedom vaccine"!

They have already been vaccinated against freedom.
They just don’t know it.

[DarrinS]

Freedom party


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Fyg4maLWg

[pgardn]

Freedom party


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Fyg4maLWg

Dr. Darrin's world of real snitches in Helotes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gSV8hihm8A

[DarrinS]

Sponsored by Pfizer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYGRPOK6y9Y

[ChumpDumper]

Sponsored by Pfizer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYGRPOK6y9Y

What does Pfizer have to do with this, Darrin?

[Winehole23]

Long COVID is a drag on the economy.


Long Covid is having a significant effect on America’s work force, preventing substantial numbers of people from going back to work while others continue needing medical care long after returning to their jobs, according to a new analysis of workers’ compensation claims (https://ww3.nysif.com/~/media/Files/NYSIF_Publications/PDF/NYSIFLongCOVIDStudy2023.ashx) in New York State.


The study, published Tuesday by New York’s largest workers’ compensation insurer, found that during the first two years of the pandemic, about 71 percent of people the fund classified as experiencing long Covid either required continuing medical treatment or were unable to work for six months or more. More than a year after contracting the coronavirus, 18 percent of long Covid patients had still not returned to work, more than three-fourths of them younger than 60, the analysis found.

“Long Covid has harmed the work force,” said the report, by the New York State Insurance Fund (https://ww3.nysif.com/), a state agency financed by employer-paid premiums. The findings, it added, “highlight long Covid as an underappreciated yet important reason for the many unfilled jobs and declining labor participation rate in the economy, and they presage a possible reduction in productivity as employers feel the strains of an increasingly sick work force.”

The report, which analyzed Covid-related claims from patients exposed to the virus at work, filed between Jan. 1, 2020, and March 31, 2022, and paid by the agency, provides a snapshot of the problem. The agency, one of the 10 largest workers’ compensation insurers in the country, found that nearly a third of 3,139 Covid-related claims it paid met its definition of long Covid.

Patients received coverage from the fund if they had a positive coronavirus test and the agency or a workers’ compensation board determined that they had a high risk of having been exposed to the virus while at work, typically in environments like hospitals, grocery stores or transit systems. The report classified a case as long Covid if, after infection, a patient required medical treatment for 60 days or more or lost 60 or more days of work.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/health/long-covid-work.html

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622621811799121920

The Cochrane Review on Masks is Damning
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-review-on-masks-is-damning

[SnakeBoy]

wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is

[baseline bum]

Freedom party


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06Fyg4maLWg

Your party passed an abortion law in Texas based on snitching and suing people.

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622621811799121920

The Cochrane Review on Masks is Damning
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-review-on-masks-is-damningmaybe, maybe not.

the conclusions are robustly hedged:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn1tXBeacAA_5kf?format=png&name=medium

[Winehole23]

it only makes sense that population-level effects are not observed when people aren't masking up on a similar scale.

[boutons_deux]

The missing workers who are never coming back

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r7271681251032395116&th=18629738825cb04c&view=fimg&fur=ip&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ80xbF-Eg4ZoYlFTpJbp4sJe5dIcGHJf-ijU-5NYbOyAV5pogvwxgmATX8hkcylfWHNwb9jEiQJpnaL7uJlFq1O cAa5i4BE6XBSpLiSfbPTClgwTSAY_LKo-W0&disp=emb&realattid=ii_ldtjyk890

Now, research (https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w30435/w30435.pdf) has started to emerge and key public figures like Powell are starting to talk about it explicitly.



"Close to a half a million who would have been working ... died from COVID," Powell said while talking about the U.S. labor shortage.
Go deeper: In a footnote to a speech (https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20221130a.htm) he gave on Nov. 30, Powell estimates that 400,000 working-age Americans died in excess of what was anticipated pre-pandemic.


State of play: Compared to pre-pandemic projections,

there are around 3.5 million people effectively missing from the American workforce,

as Powell explained (https://www.axios.com/2022/12/01/jay-powell-explains-americas-worker-shortage) in that speech at the Brookings Institution (https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/powell20221130a.htm).



This number includes older workers who left the labor force earlier than expected. "These excess retirements might now account for more than 2 million of the ... shortfall," he said.
The other 1.5 million comes from a decline in immigration and "a surge in deaths."
Overall, 1.09 million Americans lost their lives to COVID-19, according to Johns Hopkins (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html) data.


https://www.axios.com/2022/12/16/the-missing-workers-who-are-never-coming-back

[Winehole23]

The correlation with hypertension is well-supported, pathways are hypothesized in this study.


Hypertension is considered one of the most critical risk factors for COVID-19. Evidence suggests that SARS-CoV-2 infection produces intense effects on the cardiovascular system by weakening the wall of large vessels via vasa-vasorum. In this commentary, we propose that SARS-CoV-2 invades carotid and aortic baroreceptors, leading to infection of the nucleus tractus solitari (NTS) and paraventricular hypothalamic nucleus (PVN), and such dysregulation of NTS and PVN following infection causes blood pressure alteration at the central level. We additionally explored the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 favors the internalization of membrane ACE2 receptors generating an imbalance of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS), increasing the activity of angiotensin II (ANG-II), disintegrin, and metalloproteinase 17 domain (ADAM17/TACE), eventually modulating the integration of afferents reaching the NTS from baroreceptors and promoting increased blood pressure. These mechanisms are related to the increased sympathetic activity, which leads to transient or permanent hypertension associated with SARS-CoV-2 invasion, contributing to the high number of deaths by cardiovascular implications.https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/26331055231151926

[InRareForm]

https://twitter.com/GaloresCircus/status/1588890758610059264?t=LCmpEYW0qWD2w9PbmAVi2A&s=19

COVID and cancer. Not good

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/GaloresCircus/status/1588890758610059264?t=LCmpEYW0qWD2w9PbmAVi2A&s=19

COVID and cancer. Not goodlinks between viruses and cancer aren't unheard of, that's why HPV vaccines are recommended for girls.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622621811799121920

The Cochrane Review on Masks is Damning
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-review-on-masks-is-damning

That's not what the study concludes. Why lie so blatantly about it?

[ElNono]

Wino beat me to it

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/aaronsibarium/status/1622621811799121920

The Cochrane Review on Masks is Damning
https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/the-cochrane-review-on-masks-is-damning

This is about masking POLICY.
NOT about the testing of how well masks work against infections by air borne viruses.

Again the absolute disingenuous nature of Trumpers can never be understated.

[DarrinS]

This is about masking POLICY.
NOT about the testing of how well masks work against infections by air borne viruses.

Again the absolute disingenuous nature of Trumpers can never be understated.


"Here is the big summary finding. With 276,000 participants in RCTs or cluster RCTs, masking does nothing. No reduction in influenza like or Covid like illness and no reduction in confirmed flu or COVID."

[pgardn]

"Here is the big summary finding. With 276,000 participants in RCTs or cluster RCTs, masking does nothing. No reduction in influenza like or Covid like illness and no reduction in confirmed flu or COVID."

That is not science from this paper.
Where did they get it from?

Link?

[ChumpDumper]

That is not science from this paper.
Where did they get it from?

Link?
:lmao Darrin

[Winehole23]

That's not what the study concludes. Why lie so blatantly about it?Public humiliation kink? It's hardly the first time.

[Winehole23]

Correlation with immune dysregulation, persistent inflammation and exhaustion of SARS2 specific T-cells keeps building. The subjects in this study were all unvaccinated.


Our findings demonstrate that individuals with LC exhibit systemic inflammation and immune dysregulation. This is evidenced by global differences in T cell subset distribution in ways that imply ongoing immune responses, as well as by sex-specific perturbations in cytolytic subsets. Individuals with LC harbored increased frequencies of CD4+ T cells poised to migrate to inflamed tissues, and exhausted SARS-CoV-2-specific CD8+ T cells. They also harbored significantly higher levels of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, and in contrast to non-LC individuals, exhibited a mis-coordination between their SARS-CoV-2-specific T and B cell responses. Collectively, our data suggest that proper crosstalk between the humoral and cellular arms of adaptive immunity has broken down in LC, and that this, perhaps in the context of persistent virus, leads to the immune dysregulation, inflammation, and clinical symptoms associated with this debilitating condition.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.02.09.527892v1

[Winehole23]

Persistent multi-organ impairment


Abstract

Objectives

To determine the prevalence of organ impairment in long COVID patients at 6 and 12 months after initial symptoms and to explore links to clinical presentation.

Design

Prospective cohort study.

Methods

In individuals recovered from acute COVID-19, we assessed symptoms, health status, and multi-organ tissue characterisation and function.

Setting

Two non-acute healthcare settings (Oxford and London). Physiological and biochemical investigations were performed at baseline on all individuals, and those with organ impairment were reassessed.

Main outcome measures

Primary outcome was prevalence of single- and multi-organ impairment at 6 and 12 months post COVID-19.

Results

A total of 536 individuals (mean age 45 years, 73% female, 89% white, 32% healthcare workers, 13% acute COVID-19 hospitalisation) completed baseline assessment (median: 6 months post COVID-19); 331 (62%) with organ impairment or incidental findings had follow-up, with reduced symptom burden from baseline (median number of symptoms 10 and 3, at 6 and 12 months, respectively). Extreme breathlessness (38% and 30%), cognitive dysfunction (48% and 38%) and poor health-related quality of life (EQ-5D-5L < 0.7; 57% and 45%) were common at 6 and 12 months, and associated with female gender, younger age and single-organ impairment. Single- and multi-organ impairment were present in 69% and 23% at baseline, persisting in 59% and 27% at follow-up, respectively.

Conclusions

Organ impairment persisted in 59% of 331 individuals followed up at 1 year post COVID-19, with implications for symptoms, quality of life and longer-term health, signalling the need for prevention and integrated care of long COVID.
Trial Registration: ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier: NCT04369807
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01410768231154703

[Winehole23]

Correlation isn't causation, wonder what might have reversed a population level trend other than rampant airborne transmission of a vascular disease.


The COVID-19 pandemic has had a detrimental impact on the healthcare system. Our study armed to assess the extent and the disparity in excess acute myocardial infarction (AMI)-associated mortality during the pandemic, through the recent Omicron outbreak. Using data from the CDC's National Vital Statistics System, we identified 1 522 669 AMI-associated deaths occurring between 4/1/2012 and 3/31/2022. Accounting for seasonality, we compared age-standardized mortality rate (ASMR) for AMI-associated deaths between prepandemic and pandemic periods, including observed versus predicted ASMR, and examined temporal trends by demographic groups and region. Before the pandemic, AMI-associated mortality rates decreased across all subgroups. These trends reversed during the pandemic, with significant rises seen for the youngest-aged females and males even through the most recent period of the Omicron surge (10/2021–3/2022). The SAPC in the youngest and middle-age group in AMI-associated mortality increased by 5.3% (95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.6%–9.1%) and 3.4% (95% CI: 0.1%–6.8%), respectively. The excess death, defined as the difference between the observed and the predicted mortality rates, was most pronounced for the youngest (25–44 years) aged decedents, ranging from 23% to 34% for the youngest compared to 13%–18% for the oldest age groups. The trend of mortality suggests that age and sex disparities have persisted even through the recent Omicron surge, with excess AMI-associated mortality being most pronounced in younger-aged adults.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28187

[Winehole23]

Cedars-Sinai has gone (((woke))).

[Winehole23]

Promoting awareness through scientific research of an ongoing pandemic is super woke. It should be illegal.

[DarrinS]

Cedars-Sinai has gone (((woke))).


Promoting awareness through scientific research of an ongoing pandemic is super woke. It should be illegal.


3AM meltdown. :lol

[Winehole23]

3AM meltdown. :lolClowning on y'all's smooth brained baby talk isn't a meltdown, and 3am isn't all that late for folks who work nights.

[DarrinS]

Clowning on y'all's smooth brained baby talk isn't a meltdown, and 3am isn't all that late for folks who work nights.

Y'all?

You've been talking to yourself on this topic for quite a while. :lol

[Winehole23]

Y'all?

You've been talking to yourself on this topic for quite a while. :lolnot really, a number of others posters have posted recently, but even if they hadn't, so what? it's a bulletin board. everyone's free to post on any topic, that's how it works.

[InRareForm]

Is COVID over ?

[Winehole23]

Is COVID over ?it's fashionable to say so.

[Winehole23]

COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death for more than 940,000 people in the US, including over 1,300 deaths among children and young people aged 0–19 years. Until now, it had been unclear how the burden of deaths from COVID-19 compared with other leading causes of deaths in this age group. The researchers investigated this using data from US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention databases for the period 1 August 2021 to 31 July 2022.




Among children and young people aged 0 – 19 years in the US, COVID-19 ranked eighth among all causes of death; fifth among all disease-related causes of death; and first in deaths caused by infectious or respiratory diseases.



By age group, COVID-19 ranked seventh (infants), seventh (1–4 year olds), sixth (5–9 year olds), sixth (10–14 year olds), and fifth (15–19 year olds).



COVID-19 was the underlying cause for 2% of deaths in children and young people (800 out of 43,000), with an overall death rate of 1.0 per 100,000 of the population aged 0–19. The leading cause of death (perinatal conditions) had an overall death rate of 12.7 per 100,000; COVID-19 ranked ahead of influenza and pneumonia, which together had a death rate of 0.6 per 100,000.



Like many diseases, COVID-19 death rates followed a U-shaped pattern across this age-range. COVID-19 death rates were highest in infants aged less than one year (4.3 per 100,000), second highest in those aged 15–19 years (1.8 per 100,000), and lowest in children aged 5 –9 years (0.4 per 100,000).



Overall, deaths in children and young people were higher during the Delta and Omicron waves compared to previous waves (pre-July 2021), likely reflecting the higher numbers infected during these periods. Nevertheless, in the pre-Delta period of the pandemic, COVID-19 still ranked as the ninth leading cause of death overall.



The month with the highest number of COVID-19 related deaths in 0 - 19 year-olds was January 2022 at 160.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2023-01-31-covid-19-leading-cause-death-children-and-young-people-us

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Y'all?

You've been talking to yourself on this topic for quite a while. :lol

Darrin. You once again did not read what you posted and made to look like a fool. You have as much credibility as the hater account you just advocate for GOP talking points instead of Russian talking points. Same level of critical thinking.

[SnakeBoy]

Is COVID over ?

Not yet, it's over on May 11th

[Winehole23]

Not yet, it's over on May 11thlol Biden declaring the COVID emergency over before Gov. Abbott.

[Winehole23]

UK actuaries

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[Winehole23]

1629218254622187520

[SnakeBoy]

US Energy Department assesses Covid-19 likely resulted from lab leak, furthering US intel divide over virus origin
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html

[ChumpDumper]

US Energy Department assesses Covid-19 likely resulted from lab leak, furthering US intel divide over virus origin
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html

What does the Department of Energy have to do with viruses?

Also:

Two sources said that the Department of Energy assessed in the intelligence report that it had “low confidence” the Covid-19 virus accidentally escaped from a lab in Wuhan.

:lmao Snacks

[Momo]

What does the Department of Energy have to do with viruses?

Also:

Two sources said that the Department of Energy assessed in the intelligence report that it had “low confidence” the Covid-19 virus accidentally escaped from a lab in Wuhan.

:lmao Snacks
“President Biden has directed repeatedly every element of our intelligence community to put effort and resources behind getting to the bottom of this question,” he told host Dana Bash. “One of the things in that Wall Street Journal report, which I can’t confirm or deny, but I will say in reference to the Department of Energy, President Biden specifically requested that the national labs, which are part of the Department of Energy, be brought into this assessment because he wants to put every tool at use to be able to figure out what happened here.”

Looks like Joe wanted the DOE to look into it.

Low confidence is in all the guesses, including the wet market. It's basically a WAG.

[Ef-man]

What does the Department of Energy have to do with viruses?

Also:

Two sources said that the Department of Energy assessed in the intelligence report that it had “low confidence” the Covid-19 virus accidentally escaped from a lab in Wuhan.

:lmao Snacks

Also describes Snakeboi, low confidence, low IQ. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

US Energy Department assesses Covid-19 likely resulted from lab leak, furthering US intel divide over virus origin
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/26/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-china-intelligence/index.html

FBI director says COVID pandemic 'most likely' originated from Chinese lab
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-director-says-covid-pandemic-most-likely-originated-from-chinese-lab/ar-AA1847Km

"The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan," Wray told Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday.

[ChumpDumper]

FBI director says COVID pandemic 'most likely' originated from Chinese lab
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-director-says-covid-pandemic-most-likely-originated-from-chinese-lab/ar-AA1847Km

"The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan," Wray told Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday.

What are you going to do about it?

Make Trump give the Chinese a refund?

[Adam Lambert]

Fake sniffles virus created in Chinese lab.

[Ef-man]

:lmao

So FBI is good now.

Low confidenceboi ignores news that says 4 out of 5 agencies assessed low confidence to lab origin:

A report commissioned by President Joe Biden on the origins of Covid, released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in August 2021, showed that one U.S. intelligence agency had assessed with moderate confidence that the virus infected humans after a lab-associated incident; four other agencies assessed with low confidence that the virus emerged naturally. The report did not name the agencies, but intelligence officials have told NBC News that the FBI was the agency with moderate confidence.

[spurraider21]

Fake sniffles virus created in Chinese lab.
cheap chinese manufacturing per par

[ElNono]

FBI director says COVID pandemic 'most likely' originated from Chinese lab
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-director-says-covid-pandemic-most-likely-originated-from-chinese-lab/ar-AA1847Km

"The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan," Wray told Fox News in an interview that aired Tuesday.

According to the report, there's a consensus between intelligence agencies that the pandemic wasn't the result of a bioweapons program by China.

[ElNono]

I thought XI was doing a great job on COVID tho

[Winehole23]

I thought XI was doing a great job on COVID thothat's not my understanding.

China swings open COVID like the rest of the world now, it's a charnel house.

[Winehole23]

1630791634458750977

[TSA]

:lmao

So FBI is good now.

Low confidenceboi ignores news that says 4 out of 5 agencies assessed low confidence to lab origin:

A report commissioned by President Joe Biden on the origins of Covid, released by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence in August 2021, showed that one U.S. intelligence agency had assessed with moderate confidence that the virus infected humans after a lab-associated incident; four other agencies assessed with low confidence that the virus emerged naturally. The report did not name the agencies, but intelligence officials have told NBC News that the FBI was the agency with moderate confidence.

The news you are quoting is from 2021, and you aren't even quoting it correctly :lol

:lol muh wet market

[Ef-man]

The news you are quoting is from 2021, and you aren't even quoting it correctly :lol

:lol muh wet market

:lol muh conspiracies

[DarrinS]

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[ChumpDumper]

1630929316841136129What's your conspiracy theory here, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

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[ChumpDumper]

Darrin folds.

[Adam Lambert]

It is very important that we determine the source of the virus that wasn't that big of a deal so we can hold the right people accountable for the inconsequential and completely overblown sniffles we all got.

[Adam Lambert]

I mean, to be clear, you were all pussies for worrying about COVID affecting you or your loved ones, but I'm now going to spend hours a day reading about where the virus began and who was responsible so I can rage for their justice.