Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, we're all gonna die.

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[DMC]

They actually can and is legal as long as it's not a controlled substance. And apparently they did, not just for themselves but for their family (and let's be honest here, potential profit).

They couldn't possibly know it was effective, there were barely any studies that even discussed the drug as a treatment for covid at the time. Heck, it's effectiveness is still being investigated right now.



I do think people sometimes think the President is privy to information that the public isn't yet. Unfortunately, that can also deviate into irresponsible messaging that causes these kind of problems if the messenger is an idiot.

And to your latter point, yes, I agree that's also definitely an issue all too common in the US. I don't even think every doctor was a bad actor, but there's probably some of that going on: patients calling in asking doc if they can prescribe them that thing.

This whole thing got so politicized, I'm sure more than one found itself in a bind. It's just a shitty situation all around that could've easily been avoided.

So you're saying that because a person who is universally known to not be a medical professional suggested hydroxychloroquine, trained physicians over-prescribed it to hoard it?

If that's the case who over prescribed toilet paper?

[baseline bum]

Sorry, you’re fucked. But at least you already had it. Offer for a couple of pints still stands. :eyebrows

Don't know that I did, never could get tested.

[baseline bum]

Sorry, you’re fucked. But at least you already had it. Offer for a couple of pints still stands. :eyebrows

Don't know that I did, never could get tested.

[ElNono]

So you're saying that because a person who is universally known to not be a medical professional suggested hydroxychloroquine, trained physicians over-prescribed it to hoard it?

If that's the case who over prescribed toilet paper?

TP doesn't need a prescription, nor lives depend on their availability (AFAIK).

[ElNono]

Don't know that I did, never could get tested.

Maybe in 8 months once we have antibody tests readily available for everyone...

[phxspurfan]

I can see tennis and golf for sure.

I really don't understand why golf is outlawed even now. Just tell people to stay at least 6' away from each other and clean clubs/surfaces with 50% hydrogen peroxide/water solution and wear a mask and you should be g2g, even without testing. And tennis probably the same.

[phxspurfan]

Bryn forbes is our hero,tbh

the unkillable cockroach of the NBA

[Splits]

Yeah, we're all gonna die.

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[FkLA]

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:lol

[phxspurfan]

I'd rather catch Covid than watch Bryn Forbes again.

? you wouldn't pay $250 a seat to watch this??

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where's your Spurs fandom :flag:

[Spurs Homer]

You have so much in common with Trumptards :lol

nothing controversial -

just facts -

i love love my dog and they are better than most humans -


on the other side of the planet -

they worship the cow -

it doesn't make us better or worse than them - just differnt culturally -


facts seem to bother you -

and everyone here knows I am the biggest trump hater - bar none.

[baseline bum]

nothing controversial -

just facts -

i love love my dog and they are better than most humans -


on the other side of the planet -

they worship the cow -

it doesn't make us better or worse than them - just differnt culturally -


facts seem to bother you -

and everyone here knows I am the biggest trump hater - bar none.

I posted facts about dogs and you handwaved them off.

[Spurs Homer]

I posted facts about dogs and you handwaved them off.

no -

i agree with your dog facts - and i am not defending hindus -

i was merely pointing out to FKLA - that claiming moral ground -
was based on cultural conditioning

i agree with your dog facts -

the other side of the planet has their own cultural beliefs/attitudes on the moral issue is all

[RandomGuy]

Not my state, Abbott will do whatever the fuck Trump says. I fear Texas is going to open May 1st at Trump's suggestion and all our cities will become new hotspots.

Texas never had its first wave. Almost no one is immune. Ease up.. and r-naught does the rest.

If you can count on one thing during this, is that Cadet Bonespurs Mcgolfenpants will fuck it up.

My worry:
He will get tired of listening to the experts, and will decide he knows better. They will lift the advisories, and people will die.

[baseline bum]

Texas never had its first wave. Almost no one is immune. Ease up.. and r-naught does the rest.

If you can count on one thing during this, is that Cadet Bonespurs Mcgolfenpants will fuck it up.

My worry:
He will get tired of listening to the experts, and will decide he knows better. They will lift the advisories, and people will die.

Well there is nowhere on Earth that is likely to have much immunity, not New York, not Northern Italy, not Wuhan, etc. Everyone is going to get slammed when Trump just opens the whole country up. And we haven't done shit with testing during this lockdown so when everything is opened back up I'm not at all optimistic.

I would imagine a lot of this initial buildup in San Antonio is completely unknown from lack of testing, but we do have one major hotspot at a nursing home on the SE side where almost all of the patients are COVID-19 positive. They have already had 10 of their 86 residents die of COVID.

[SnakeBoy]

Don't know that I did, never could get tested.

Anitibody testing free at South Texas Blood and Tissue. Just email them when you were ill and date of last symptoms. You should be in the timeframe they are looking for like me. I get tested Thursday.

https://southtexasblood.org/news/south-texas-blood-tissue-center-joins-fda-program-todevelop-potential-covid-19-treatment

If positive, they just want your blood :lol

[DarrinS]

Anitibody testing free at South Texas Blood and Tissue. Just email them when you were ill and date of last symptoms. You should be in the timeframe they are looking for like me. I get tested Thursday.

https://southtexasblood.org/news/south-texas-blood-tissue-center-joins-fda-program-todevelop-potential-covid-19-treatment

If positive, they just want your blood :lol


What's the turnaround time?

[CosmicCowboy]

Apparently patient Zero for NYC came from Iran.

Whoopsie!

So Iran nuked us with the boogievirus?

[ChumpDumper]

So Iran nuked us with the boogievirus?No, nobody nuked anyone. Why do you call it that?

[monosylab1k]

https://twitter.com/roguenasa/status/1248709669977313284?s=21

[SnakeBoy]

What's the turnaround time?

I didn't ask specifically but they are doing the tests onsite so shouldn't take long.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not my state, Abbott will do whatever the fuck Trump says. I fear Texas is going to open May 1st at Trump's suggestion and all our cities will become new hotspots.

Trump and even Abbott could suggest we open but I suspect our big city mayors will use more discretion. There isn't a one size fits all with this stuff.

[CosmicCowboy]

Anyone seen a graph or daily number progression for San Antonio? If my sistercisxany example and test results are delayed a week then numbers couldxalready be much higher than claimed.

[baseline bum]

Trump and even Abbott could suggest we open but I suspect our big city mayors will use more discretion. There isn't a one size fits all with this stuff.

Abbott could overrule cities and counties like Kemp is doing in Georgia.

[picnroll]

Health Washington Post
A plan to defeat coronavirus finally emerges, but it’s not from the White House
By Lena H. Sun, William Wan and Yasmeen Abutaleb
April 10 at 3:50 PM CT

In the absence of federal direction, states and America’s top experts forge the path ahead.


President Trump has often said responsibility for fighting the novel coronavirus lies with states, rather than with the federal government. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)
A national plan to fight the coronavirus pandemic in the United States and return Americans to jobs and classrooms is emerging — but not from the White House.


Instead, a collection of governors, former government officials, disease specialists and nonprofits are pursuing a strategy that relies on the three pillars of disease control: ramp up testing to identify people who are infected. Find everyone they interact with by deploying contact tracing on a scale America has never attempted before. And focus restrictions more narrowly on the infected and their contacts so the rest of society doesn’t have to stay in permanent lockdown.

But there is no evidence yet the White House will pursue such a strategy.
Instead, the president and his top advisers have fixated almost exclusively on plans to reopen the U.S. economy by the end of the month, though they haven’t detailed how they will do so without triggering another outbreak. President Trump has been especially focused on creating a second coronavirus task force aimed at combating the economic ramifications of the virus.

Administration officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to describe internal deliberations, say the White House has made a deliberate political calculation that it will better serve Trump’s interest to put the onus on governors — rather than the federal government — to figure out how to move ahead.

“It’s mind-boggling, actually, the degree of disorganization,” said Tom Frieden, former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director. The federal government has already squandered February and March, he noted, committing “epic failures” on testing kits, ventilator supply, protective equipment for health workers and contradictory public health communication. The next failure is already on its way, Frieden said, because “we’re not doing the things we need to be doing in April.”

At a White House briefing Friday, Trump said he will announce next week the members of his second coronavirus task force, charged with determining when and how to reopen the country. He stressed his desire to get the economy running again as soon as possible but wouldn’t commit to specifics, saying: “The facts are going to determine what I do. But we do want to get the country open. So important.”

In recent days, dozens of leading voices have coalesced around the test-trace-quarantine framework, including former FDA commissioners for the Trump and George W. Bush administrations, Microsoft founder Bill Gates and top experts at Johns Hopkins, Columbia and Harvard universities.

On Wednesday, former president Barack Obama weighed in, tweeting: “Social distancing bends the curve and relieves some pressure. … But in order to shift off current policies, the key will be a robust system of testing and monitoring — something we have yet to put in place nationwide.”

And Friday, Apple and Google unveiled a joint effort on new tools that would use smartphones to aid in contact tracing.

What remains unclear is whether this emerging plan can succeed without the backing of the federal government. Some states such as Massachusetts and Utah are already trying to implement parts of it. In the absence of federal leadership — as happened last month with stay-at-home orders — other states may watch and follow suit. But without substantial federal funding, states’ efforts will only go so far

In South Korea, Taiwan, China and Singapore, variations on this basic strategy were implemented by their national governments, allowing them to keep the virus in check even as they reopened parts of their economy and society.

In America, testing — while still woefully behind — is ramping up. And households across the country have learned over the past month how to quarantine. But when it comes to the second pillar of the plan — the labor-intensive work of contact tracing — local health departments lack the necessary staff, money and training.

Experts and leaders in some states say remedying that weakness should be a priority and health departments should be rapidly shored up so that they are ready to act in coming weeks as infections nationwide begin to decrease. In a report scheduled for release Friday, the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security and the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials — which represents state health departments — estimate 100,000 additional contact tracers are needed and call for $3.6 billion in emergency funding from Congress.

The CDC is researching how to increase contact tracing capacity, its director, Robert Redfield, said Friday in an NPR interview.

“We can’t afford to have multiple community outbreaks that can spiral up into sustained community transmission,” he said in the interview. “We have over 600 people in the field right now from CDC in all the states trying to help with this response, but we are going to have to substantially amplify that.”

But those efforts have not been reviewed by the White House, and the disease agency’s role has been diminished in the administration’s pandemic response. “We’re definitely in the middle of all of that. It’s premature for me to roll it out,” Redfield said.

Technology, like the Apple-Google partnership, is also being developed that could aid that effort, but it comes with civil liberty concerns that need to be resolved.
Unless states can aggressively trace and isolate the virus, experts say, there will be new outbreaks and another round of disruptive stay-at-home orders.

“All people are talking about right now is hospital beds, ventilators, testing, testing, testing. Yes, those are important, but they are all reactive. You are dealing with the symptoms and not the virus itself,” said Tolbert Nyenswah, who led one of the most successful contact tracing efforts in Africa during the 2014 to 2016 Ebola epidemic. “You will never beat a virus like this one unless you get ahead of it. America must not just flatten the curve but get ahead of the curve.”
Creating an army

Women are released from an Ebola treatment unit in 2014 and greeted by family members in Monrovia, Liberia. The Ebola epidemic prompted the government to create an army of contact tracers to beat back the disease. (Michel du Cille/The Washington Post)

Six years ago, Nyenswah watched an even deadlier disease, Ebola, tear through his homeland. Liberia’s president tapped him to lead its response, and Nyenswah began immediately hiring an army of surveillance officers to do “shoe-leather” tracing. It involved going door to door to find anyone who interacted with someone with a confirmed case of the hemorrhagic disease and persuading them to stay indoors, even providing food and services to make that more likely.

Testing on its own is useless, Nyenswah explained, because it tells you only who already has the virus. Similarly, tracing alone is useless if you don’t place those you find into quarantine. But when all three are implemented, the chain of transmission can be shattered.

Until a vaccine or treatment is developed, such nonpharmaceutical interventions are the only tools countries can rely on — besides locking down their cities.

In 2014, Nyenswah’s army of 4,000 public health workers used tracing to eradicate Ebola in Liberia under even more difficult circumstances. Many homes didn’t have phone lines, much less house numbers, street names or Zip codes to navigate by.

“We didn’t have the sophisticated systems you have in the U.S.,” Nyenswah said. “Many of the people we dealt with weren’t even literate, but we were able to win. What that tells you is that this can work.”

But to expand that in a country as large as the United States will require a massive dose of money, leadership and political will.

Nyenswah, who now lives in the United States and teaches at Johns Hopkins, has watched the disjointed U.S. response on TV with growing alarm.

“You cannot have leaders contradicting each other every day. You cannot have states waiting on the federal government to act, and government telling the states to figure it out on their own,” he said. “You need a plan.”

Daunting math of transmission
When Vermont’s first coronavirus case was detected last month, it took two state health workers a day to track down 13 people who came into contact with that single patient. They put them under quarantine and started monitoring for symptoms. No one else became sick.

“It was a tidy bow,” recalled Daniel Daltry, one of the two health officers who did the work.
Within days, new cases were “coming in like dominoes,” Daltry said. By late March, his team was racing on a single day to trace the contacts of 12 patients, when an additional 30 cases landed on their desk.

He did the math: If each of those 30 patients had contact with even three people, that meant 90 people his crew would have to locate and get into quarantine. In other words, impossible.

This is the daunting math facing health departments nationwide. Since 2008, city and county health agencies have lost almost a quarter of their overall workforce. Decades of budget cuts have left the them unable to mount such a response. State health departments have had to lay off thousands more — an unintended consequence of federal officials delaying tax filings until July without warning states. Those federal filings generate state revenue.

In Wuhan, a city of 11 million, the Chinese had 9,000 health workers doing contact tracing, said Frieden, the former CDC director. He estimates in the United States, authorities would need roughly one contact tracer for every four cases.

Such large-scale tracing nationally could be possible if federal funding and guidance bolstered counties at the same time social distancing lowers the number of cases.

“We could use a stronger voice out of the White House to mobilize this nation,” Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) said Thursday. “In the second wave, we have to have testing, a resource base, and a contact-tracing base that is so much more scaled up than right now. It’s an enormous challenge.”
Not waiting to act

In the absence of federal direction, Massachusetts last week unveiled a plan to begin building a contact tracing army.

Gov. Charlie Baker (R) partnered with an international nonprofit group based in Boston that has been waging this kind of public health campaign against contagious diseases including tuberculosis in Africa and HIV and cholera in Haiti. The nonprofit Partners in Health quickly put together a plan to hire and train 1,000 contact tracers. Working from their homes making 20 to 30 calls a day, they could cover up to 20,000 contacts a day.

The group is paying new hires roughly the same salary as census takers, more than $20 an hour. As of Tuesday — just four days after the initial announcement — the group had received 7,000 applicants and hired 150.

“People want to help. They’re tired of just sitting at home and waiting to be infected,” said KJ Seung, strategy and policy chief for the nonprofit’s covid response. “There’s a huge untapped resource of people in America if we would just ask.”

Utah has also taken action, reassigning government employees to increase contact tracing capacity, said state health department spokesman Tom Hudachko. State leaders are trying to pull together 1,200 more workers. San Francisco is trying to build a 150-person contact tracing team using city librarians, university staff and medical students.

“There needs to be a crash course in contact tracing because a lot of the health departments where this is going to need to happen are already kind of flat out just trying to respond to the crisis at hand,” said Tom Inglesby, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
Experts have proposed transforming the Peace Corps — which suspended global operations last month and recalled 7,000 volunteers to America — into a national response corps that could perform many tasks, including contact tracing.

On Wednesday, the editor in chief of JAMA, a leading medical journal, proposed suspending the first year of training for America’s 20,000 incoming medical students and deploying them as a medical corps to support the “test, trace, track, and quarantine strategy.”

Health workers who have been doing this kind of contact tracing for sexually transmitted diseases have proposed expanding an existing group of national disease investigation specialists — about 1,600 workers funded by the CDC and focused on ailments such as rectal gonorrhea — into a ready-made coronavirus tracing battalion. The national organization for local STD programs says $200 million could add roughly 1,850 specialists, more than doubling that current workforce.
There’s an app for that

Technology could also turn out to be pivotal. But the invasive nature of cellphone tracking and apps raises concerns about civil liberties.

The technology could offer a version of what contact tracers do in interviews: build a contact history for each confirmed patient and find those possibly exposed.

Doing that digitally could make the process quicker — critical in containing an outbreak — and less laborious.

Singaporean police, for example, used security camera footage and ATM and credit card records to retrace people’s steps during the coronavirus outbreak there.

In China, authorities combined the nation’s vast surveillance apparatus with apps and cellphone data to track people’s movements. If someone they came across is later confirmed as infected, an app alerts them to stay at home.

South Korea and Israel have similarly deployed apps and cellphone technology. In Taiwan, authorities even placed virtual fences around those quarantined at home, alerting authorities if quarantined residents try to leave their homes or turn off their phone.

In the United States, about 20 technology companies are trying to create a contact tracing app using the geolocation data or Bluetooth pings on cellphones, said Dylan George, a former senior Obama administration policy adviser now advising one such effort.

Seattle-King County is in “very early discussions” with one group about using such contact tracing technology, said Jeffrey Duchin, a top county health official. Duchin said he would welcome any way to speed up the contact tracing work of his team, but said, “We have no real experience with them and can’t predict how well they will work.”

“These apps don’t solve the problem on their own, but they can definitely help as force multipliers,” said Crystal Watson, a public health expert who helped draft Johns Hopkins’ Friday report on contact tracing. “The problem is they come with huge civil liberties caveats that still need to be sorted out.”

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone seen a graph or daily number progression for San Antonio?First thing I found.

https://www.sanantonio.gov/health/news/alerts/coronavirus

[Mark Celibate]

No. Universally there is a huge difference between cattle/poultry/seafood and a dog.

No civilized country, other than some asian ones, look at man's best friend as food, bro.

No he's got a point. You're implying that dogs are superior to other animals we eat because they're man's best friend and are friendlier to us. Morally speaking, most people would agree that it's barbaric if the animal we're slaughtering feels the pain. Dogs just garner more sympathy from us because they're cute and we can easily tell when they're sad or hurt. As goofy as chickens and pigs look wandering around aimlessly, grunting like slobs, etc they feel the pain just as much as dogs do tbh imo

[Mark Celibate]

I don't know about this. And I'm basing this off the very limited sample size of the dogs I've had. For the most part, they've been pretty distant to people that I've deemed to be assholes. Even when that asshole makes an effort to be nice to the dog.
That being said, I'm sure if that asshole's first meeting was to give the dog a steak, it might be different. Anyway, I think they can often sense when someone is being genuine or not. Or maybe they sense that I might not like that person. No idea. But I think they're more perceptive than many people give them credit for. And probably not as perceptive as many others do give them credit for.

i'm an a$$hole and dogs are always friendly to me tbh

[Mark Celibate]

Yeah, we're all gonna die.

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I guess you missed the part right after where he said he'll be guided by many different opinions...I know Orangeman=bad is the de facto opinion, but that's quite the reach on your part imo

[Reck]

ICU admissions here are actually in the tank which is awesome news.

Now we just get to watch the people stuck in the hospitals die off which fucking sucks. 4th straight day of 700+ deaths.

[TSA]

ICU admissions here are actually in the tank which is awesome news.

Now we just get to watch the people stuck in the hospitals die off which fucking sucks. 4th straight day of 700+ deaths.

Are your fellow NY’s pissed at Cuomo and Deblasio for not following up on first infected case?

[MannyIsGod]

Well crap. Sounds like my sister may have that shit and she has been visiting and getting groceries etc. for my elderly mother. No cough, but high fever, body, ache, headache...tested negative for flu and won't have covid results for a week.

Damn dude. Hope for the best for your family.

[boutons_deux]

Fauci Refuses to Say When It Would Be Safe to Reopen Trump’s Mouth

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5e90deb7fe3260000878c2a5/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Borowitz-TrumpsMouth.jpg

WASHINGTON — In a televised interview on Friday, Dr. Anthony Fauci refused to say when it would be safe to reopen Donald J. Trump’s mouth.

Fauci was responding to a question from CNN’s Jake Tapper, who asked if the esteemed virologist had

a timetable for when Trump’s mouth could be reopened without endangering public health.

“The problem, Jake, is that, when his mouth is closed, we start making progress,”

Fauci said.

“Keeping his mouth closed is the one thing we know that works.”

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fauci-refuses-to-say-when-it-would-be-safe-to-reopen-trumps-mouth (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/fauci-refuses-to-say-when-it-would-be-safe-to-reopen-trumps-mouth)

[ChumpDumper]

I guess you missed the part right after where he said he'll be guided by many different opinions...I know Orangeman=bad is the de facto opinion, but that's quite the reach on your part imoHe's a miserable failure who is responsible for thousands of American deaths.

How is that not bad?

[ChumpDumper]

Are your fellow NY’s pissed at Cuomo and Deblasio for not following up on first infected case?Are you pissed at Trump for failing the American people?

[hater]

Orangegutan said this was a hoax up until march a nigas

sorry Orange fluffers. nothing you can say that can detract from Trump being a total failure here

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s last-ditch 2020 strategy is based on a perverse fantasy — and it’s scary as hell

“The Trump administration is pushing to reopen much of the country next month,”

Trump, behind “closed doors,” has “sought a strategy for resuming business activity by May 1.”

We’re nowhere near conquering the coronavirus epidemic and,

thanks to Trump’s deliberate negligence —

born from his desire to conceal the spread of the virus —

we have nothing close to the testing capacity necessary to start letting people congregate safely again.

Trump and his allies know he needs to come up with some argument why the economic devastation we’re facing is not his fault. (It is his fault (https://www.salon.com/2020/03/25/trump-wants-to-play-act-the-hero-but-dont-forget-this-crisis-is-his-fault/).)

More importantly, they’ll need someone else to blame.

Come fall, Trump will argue that

he wanted to save the economy and get everybody back to work,

but the “deep state” wouldn’t let him.
he should be re-elected to take on this supposed conspiracy of embedded liberal-socialist traitors.

Trump doesn’t actually have the power to “reopen” the economy,

State governments control those,

while at least some red states TEXAS! :lol will no doubt go along with any loony plan Trump rolls out,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trumps-last-ditch-2020-strategy-is-based-on-a-perverse-fantasy-and-its-scary-as-hell/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4265

====================

Trump wants to play-act the hero, but don't forget: This crisis is his fault

Trump made the coronavirus catastrophe dramatically worse, and

he must not be allowed to play conquering hero

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/25/trump-wants-to-play-act-the-hero-but-dont-forget-this-crisis-is-his-fault/

[baseline bum]

Darrin debunked it base. Nothing to do with corona

Turns out the video is legit, was just on CBS Evening News

[picnroll]

I guess you missed the part right after where he said he'll be guided by many different opinions...I know Orangeman=bad is the de facto opinion, but that's quite the reach on your part imo

Many different opinion and many different plans, contradictory, illogical, changing moment by moment, poorly implemented, all preceded and followed by the statement “I closed our borders to China, and oh yeah, Mexico”.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91783297_10157800380595199_1082173854119362560_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=V6yhCBlcv7sAX-r2LaY&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=255778e9a2a66e11375448f1383ff1e3&oe=5EB68D79

[Reck]

Are your fellow NY’s pissed at Cuomo and Deblasio for not following up on first infected case?

I dont know about Deblasio (No one takes him seriously) but Cuomo favorability ratings have never been this high. Dont know what you're talking about.

[slick'81]

Trump and even Abbott could suggest we open but I suspect our big city mayors will use more discretion. There isn't a one size fits all with this stuff.


Nope,texas will follow trump

[slick'81]

Turns out the video is legit, was just on CBS Evening News

i was just giving d a lil crap since it clearly made sense. Besides were all going baxk to work in may because our president says its ok

[DarrinS]

Anyone seen a graph or daily number progression for San Antonio? If my sistercisxany example and test results are delayed a week then numbers couldxalready be much higher than claimed.


Start around 14 minutes into this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jzQIxV8EhI

[ChumpDumper]

Turns out the video is legit, was just on CBS Evening NewsYeah, the organization that took the drone video has been keeping track of burials there for awhile. There are almost 70,000 people buried out there.

https://www.hartisland.net

[ChumpDumper]

Many different opinion and many different plans, contradictory, illogical, changing moment by moment, poorly implemented, all preceded and followed by the statement “I closed our borders to China, and oh yeah, Mexico”.Stupid motherfucker called it a "germ" today that is outsmarting antibiotics.

[baseline bum]

Stupid motherfucker called it a "germ" today that is outsmarting antibiotics.

This low information motherfucker is going to send people to their deaths May 1st.

[RandomGuy]

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Holy fuckballs... I'm adding that to my signature... it doesn't get any dumber.

[slick'81]

Holy fuckballs... I'm adding that to my signature... it doesn't get any dumber.


Already projecting massive spike of rona if people return in may, but oh well. San francisco now has an outbreak in a homeless shelter too

[leemajors]

Anyone seen a graph or daily number progression for San Antonio? If my sistercisxany example and test results are delayed a week then numbers couldxalready be much higher than claimed.

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

apologies if someone else already posted

[ChumpDumper]

This low information motherfucker is going to send people to their deaths May 1st.No, the only reason people will die is if I keep criticizing shitty hydroxychloroquine trials.

[slick'81]

No, the only reason people will die is if I keep criticizing shitty hydroxychloroquine trials.


And wearing your ppe

[leemajors]

Nope,texas will follow trump

Pretty sure Austin will stay shelter in place past May 1.

[slick'81]

Well there is nowhere on Earth that is likely to have much immunity, not New York, not Northern Italy, not Wuhan, etc. Everyone is going to get slammed when Trump just opens the whole country up. And we haven't done shit with testing during this lockdown so when everything is opened back up I'm not at all optimistic.

I would imagine a lot of this initial buildup in San Antonio is completely unknown from lack of testing, but we do have one major hotspot at a nursing home on the SE side where almost all of the patients are COVID-19 positive. They have already had 10 of their 86 residents die of COVID.


Im def low-key worried about texas

[ChumpDumper]

And wearing your ppeYeah, the stuff the FDA didn't even allow for medical personnel.

[Mark Celibate]

He's a miserable failure who is responsible for thousands of American deaths.

How is that not bad?


oh boy! I got dragged into a ChumpDumper game of 20 questions! I'm excited (and kinda nervous). tbh never thought i'd be selected

but anyway yeah I think Trump has been caught with his pants down and made an a$$ of himself during this whole ordeal. i just think you're being a little harsh on that tweet. probly not the answer you were expecting but that's my opnion imo

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty sure Austin will stay shelter in place past May 1.Yeah, but if Abbott and/or Trump contradict it at all there's gonna be a problem.

[ChumpDumper]

oh boy! I got dragged into a ChumpDumper game of 20 questions! I'm excited (and kinda nervous). tbh never thought i'd be selected

but anyway yeah I think Trump has been caught with his pants down and made an a$$ of himself during this whole ordeal. i just think you're being a little harsh on that tweet. probly not the answer you were expecting but that's my opnion imoThat's exactly the kind of soft, evasive denial I've gotten from every Trump supporter.

[Mark Celibate]

That's exactly the kind of soft, evasive denial I've gotten from every Trump supporter.

how so? I'm not a Trump supporter. Did they admit to his shortcomings too?

[Spurs Homer]

Orangegutan said this was a hoax up until march a nigas

sorry Orange fluffers. nothing you can say that can detract from Trump being a total failure here


”but- but - her emailssss!!!”

[CosmicCowboy]

First thing I found.

https://www.sanantonio.gov/health/news/alerts/coronavirus

Thanks! Hmmm pretty slow curve. Hope it stays that way.

[Millennial_Messiah]

May 1st is a very unrealistic date for COVID-19 end of quarantine

June 1st is the absolute earliest and that is more unlikely than not

[picnroll]

Holy fuckballs... I'm adding that to my signature... it doesn't get any dumber.

“They end up dying from problems ... problems .... you know the problems I’m talking about.”

Yeah, the problem they're dying from is you idiot.

[slick'81]

“They end up dying from problems ... problems .... you know the problems I’m talking about.”

Yeah, the problem they're dying from is you idiot.


Fckn germs,man

[RandomGuy]

Stupid motherfucker called it a "germ" today that is outsmarting antibiotics.

Fuck I want to see TSA claim this is 5d chess.

TSA TSA TSA TSA


:rollin :lmao

[picnroll]

If people weren’t dying Trump would be comedy gold.

Seriously, I’m mean seriously, how in the world did this low IQ imbecile get elected president. I know there are a lot of dumb people in America, looking at you Chris and Ducks, but really?

[baseline bum]

If people weren’t dying Trump would be comedy gold.

Seriously, I’m mean seriously, how in the world did this low IQ imbecile get elected president. I know there are a lot of dumb people in America, looking at you Chris and Ducks, but really?

Trump is everything the right wing media has been priming its listeners/viewers to want for twenty years.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks! Hmmm pretty slow curve. Hope it stays that way.Yeah, Austin has been pretty steady with 40-50 new cases a day. Hoping for a downward trend both places soon. With the exception of some dumb 20-30 year olds, Travis County has been pretty compliant.

[ChumpDumper]

how so? I'm not a Trump supporter. Did they admit to his shortcomings too?I said your response was as weak as theirs. None of you can bring yourselves to criticize his actual policies and actions. With them, it seems their egos can't handle the fact they picked such a complete loser.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1248719994424262656?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1248719994424262656?s=19Not very christian of you this holy week....

How can anything be blocked when congress isn't even in session?

[TSA]

I dont know about Deblasio (No one takes him seriously) but Cuomo favorability ratings have never been this high. Dont know what you're talking about.


https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1248367605422964743

[DarrinS]

Good interview about novel treatments.

From about 4:15 to 30 min.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGG3P8ft2bM

[slick'81]

"The biggest decision ill ever make"- trump literally has our lives in his hands

[ducks]

Mailman just came. I got a bulk mail solicitation from "National Cremation Service". Damn, that's cold blooded.

Blame china

[ducks]

"The biggest decision ill ever make"- trump literally has our lives in his hands

You can stay home not work
You can move to China if you feel safer there

[CosmicCowboy]

If people weren’t dying Trump would be comedy gold.

Seriously, I’m mean seriously, how in the world did this low IQ imbecile get elected president.

You can thank Hillary.

[ChumpDumper]

Good interview about novel treatments.

From about 4:15 to 30 min.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGG3P8ft2bMGood info about Dr. Drew. I don't agree with the characterization in the tweet but he certainly is....something....

Watch from 0:00 to 2:06.

1246472340243767296


And for good measure....
1246640991378894850

[ducks]

You can thank Hillary.

Not her fault no democract could beat her with dnc picking her

Bernie had a much better shot at beating trump

[ChumpDumper]

Blame china


You can thank Hillary.THE BUCK STOPS ANYWHERE BUT TRUMP

[ducks]

Not trumps fault dnc picked Hillary with her saggy bagging Tities and baggage

[ducks]

THE BUCK STOPS ANYWHERE BUT TRUMP

You blame bad on trump credit 44 for any good

[ChumpDumper]

Not trumps fault

[ChumpDumper]

You blame bad on trump credit 44 for any goodHad Black President fucked up this badly I'd be saying it. This goes way beyond partisan politics.

[ducks]

I wonder how much $$$$$ clinton took from her foundation to pay dnc she would be the pick for the dnc

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder how much $$$$$ clinton took from her foundation to pay dnc she would be the pick for the dncTake a look at what you're doing.

[ducks]

Had Black President fucked up this badly I'd be saying it. This goes way beyond partisan politics.

USA is not fucked up geez
It is New York City where Donkeys are in charge

[ChumpDumper]

USA is not fucked up geez
It is New York City where Donkeys are in chargeCertainly Democrats fucked up too.

But that doesn't excuse Trump's fuck up. He's the President. Somehow you want to free him from any responsibility. Tough shit.

[picnroll]

Trump is a moron but Hillary has saggy tits. I’ll take a moron over saggy tits every time.

[Blake]

Had Black President fucked up this badly I'd be saying it. This goes way beyond partisan politics.

Disclaimer ®️

[DarrinS]

Good info about Dr. Drew. I don't agree with the characterization in the tweet but he certainly is....something....

Watch from 0:00 to 2:06.

1246472340243767296


And for good measure....
1246640991378894850


^This is what you chose to do? Free country, I suppose.


I would encourage open-minded people to watch the interview. No politics are discussed.

[ChumpDumper]

Disclaimer ®️I mean this is like FDR having the Pearl Harbor plans two months in advance, not telling anyone and keeping all the ammo in the states. You have to make scenarios up because this is the worst job a president has ever done with a threat to the country.

[ChumpDumper]

^This is what you chose to do? Free country, I suppose.Look, you're embarrassed you supported Trump and he ended up killing all these Americans for no reason.

We get it.

And yeah, I'm not going to let your coward ass forget it.


I would encourage open-minded people to watch the interview. No politics are discussed.I didn't bring up any politics. I brought up a doctor who downplayed the living shit out of this virus through the end of March and threatened people who pointed it out. I think he's done great work with addiction and relationship stuff over the years, but fuck him for misleading his listeners and followers.

PPE dad joke incoming. That'll show me.

[ducks]

Trump did not kill all these people
Last 3 administrations did not refuel supplies

[ChumpDumper]

Trump did not kill all these people
Last 3 administrations did not refuel suppliesTrump had three years to get refuel. Didn't order any masks until mid March.

His fault.

[ducks]

States could have closed down their states sooner

Democracts were to happy impeaching trump

[Chris]

Not very christian of you this holy week....

How can anything be blocked when congress isn't even in session?

your party is trash lmao

[ChumpDumper]

States could have closed down their states sooner

Democracts were to happy impeaching trumpTrump was playing golf and throwing rallies.

His fault.

[ChumpDumper]

your party is trash lmaoYour party is a death cult.

[Reck]

Certainly Democrats fucked up too.

But that doesn't excuse Trump's fuck up. He's the President. Somehow you want to free him from any responsibility. Tough shit.

It's like saying well democrats kilked 10 people.

The president's killed thousands more. But yeah LIBS DID THIS!

[ducks]

We are not like China rember their are checks and balances in place in USA

Why in the hell is congress in recess ...

[Reck]

your party is trash lmao

This is your response to your christianhood? To prove him right?

You done did it. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

We are not like China rember their are checks and balances in place in USAFunny, there weren't any when Congress was trying to oversee the executive.


Why in the hell is congress in recess ...You certainly won't ask Mitch.

[ducks]

Trump fault doctors are not curing people
They except trump to be on shipping dock and in hospitals

[Chris]

Not very christian of you this holy week....

How can anything be blocked when congress isn't even in session?

low information poster :lol

[ducks]

I am not a big fan of Mitch I would rather he be gone
The only bad think is a donkey would have to win since he is not retiring
I think term limits is needed

[ChumpDumper]

low information poster :lolYou didn't answer the question.

How is a bill blocked when they aren't in session?

[Chris]

This is your response to your christianhood? To prove him right?

You done did it. :tu

your party ia trash lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Trump fault doctors are not curing people
They except trump to be on shipping dock and in hospitalsI expected him to take steps to not kill thousands of Americans.

He failed.

[Chris]

You didn't answer the question.

How is a bill blocked when they aren't in session?

gd i didn't think you were this stupid

lol

[ducks]

I expected him to take steps to not kill thousands of Americans.

He failed.

People that died were going to die this year fact
Except for maybe 3

Fact more babies died today Because of abortions
Where Is your outrage

[ChumpDumper]

gd i didn't think you were this stupid

lolYou didn't answer the question.

[ducks]

I expected him to take steps to not kill thousands of Americans.

He failed.

He took steps before 1k died unlike 44

[ChumpDumper]

People that died were going to die this year fact
Except for maybe 3Where did you get this "fact"?

O'Reilly?

[ChumpDumper]

He took steps before 1k died unlike 44He did one thing that didn't work.

[ducks]

Media said trump racist shutting down people coming from china
And Nancy and chuck

[ducks]

Where did you get this "fact"?

O'Reilly?

Yes others had other health issues

Fact!

[ducks]

Look it up liberal fact checkers

[ChumpDumper]

YesIs Bill O'Reilly a medical doctor?

[Chris]

Someone needs to sign back on to their Pavlov account :lol

[picnroll]

GREAT NEWS

Compassionate Use of Remdesivir for Patients with Severe Covid-19

Remdesivir, a nucleotide analogue prodrug that inhibits viral RNA polymerases, has shown in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2.
METHODS
We provided remdesivir on a compassionate-use basis to patients hospitalized with Covid-19, the illness caused by infection with SARS-CoV-2. Patients were those with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who had an oxygen saturation of 94% or less while they were breathing ambient air or who were receiving oxygen support. Patients received a 10-day course of remdesivir, consisting of 200 mg administered intravenously on day 1, followed by 100 mg daily for the remaining 9 days of treat- ment. This report is based on data from patients who received remdesivir during the period from January 25, 2020, through March 7, 2020, and have clinical data for at least 1 subsequent day.

RESULTS
Of the 61 patients who received at least one dose of remdesivir, data from 8 could not be analyzed (including 7 patients with no post-treatment data and 1 with a dosing error). Of the 53 patients whose data were analyzed, 22 were in the United States, 22 in Europe or Canada, and 9 in Japan. At baseline, 30 patients (57%) were receiving mechanical ventilation and 4 (8%) were receiving extracorporeal mem- brane oxygenation. During a median follow-up of 18 days, 36 patients (68%) had an improvement in oxygen-support class, including 17 of 30 patients (57%) receiving mechanical ventilation who were extubated. A total of 25 patients (47%) were discharged, and 7 patients (13%) died; mortality was 18% (6 of 34) among patients receiving invasive ventilation and 5% (1 of 19) among those not receiving invasive ventilation.

CONCLUSIONS
In this cohort of patients hospitalized for severe Covid-19 who were treated with compassionate-use remdesivir, clinical improvement was observed in 36 of 53 pa- tients (68%). Measurement of efficacy will require ongoing randomized, placebo- controlled trials of remdesivir therapy. (Funded by Gilead Sciences.)

Full article at link.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016?articleTools=true

[ChumpDumper]

Someone needs to sign back on to their Pavlov account :lolWhy? That wouldn't change your ignorance.

[ducks]

Texas gov Abbott eyes reopening state businesses as he preps executive order laying out guidelines

[ducks]

According to a national poll reported by the New York Post on Friday, 56% of Democrats say they would prefer the New York governor over the former vice president as the Democratic presidential nominee to face off against President Trump

[Reck]

your party ia trash lmao

I'll accept that as long as you accept your party actually sanctions the killings of thousands.

[boutons_deux]

GREAT NEWS


https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016?articleTools=true

This is great news, even if the drug wasn't 100% successful.

Discharging people after ICU/intubation is fantastic.

How fast can it be manufactured, how much will it cost, who owns the patent?

At what stage is it taken? after testing positive, or wait until severe state?

Side effects?

If Trash sees this, he will claim 100% credit, everybody back to work and school.

[Chris]

Why? That wouldn't change your ignorance.

When you figure out what Cruz is talking about concerning small businesses lmk dumbfuck

[Chris]

I'll accept that as long as you accept your party actually sanctions the killings of thousands.

link?

also I'm not a Republican, but I voted for Trump sorry to burst your bubble

[picnroll]

This is great news, even if the drug wasn't 100% successful.

Discharging people after ICU/intubation is fantastic.

How fast can it be manufactured, how much will it cost, who owns the patent?

At what stage is it taken? after testing positive, or wait until severe state?

Side effects?

If Trash sees this, he will claim 100% credit, everybody back to work and school.

Only question I can answer is Gilead owns the patent, that was the drug orphan status was granted to. Still has to go through another phase but maybe be approved in the summer. Ramping and cost question marks.
Side effects were in the full article. Lots more to be tested if it works like will early administration head off severe cases.

[slick'81]

This is great news, even if the drug wasn't 100% successful.

Discharging people after ICU/intubation is fantastic.

How fast can it be manufactured, how much will it cost, who owns the patent?

At what stage is it taken? after testing positive, or wait until severe state?

Side effects?

If Trash sees this, he will claim 100% credit, everybody back to work and school.

Some optimisim from bouts :tu

[TSA]

GREAT NEWS

Compassionate Use of Remdesivir for Patients with Severe Covid-19

Remdesivir, a nucleotide analogue prodrug that inhibits viral RNA polymerases, has shown in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2.
METHODS
We provided remdesivir on a compassionate-use basis to patients hospitalized with Covid-19, the illness caused by infection with SARS-CoV-2. Patients were those with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who had an oxygen saturation of 94% or less while they were breathing ambient air or who were receiving oxygen support. Patients received a 10-day course of remdesivir, consisting of 200 mg administered intravenously on day 1, followed by 100 mg daily for the remaining 9 days of treat- ment. This report is based on data from patients who received remdesivir during the period from January 25, 2020, through March 7, 2020, and have clinical data for at least 1 subsequent day.

RESULTS
Of the 61 patients who received at least one dose of remdesivir, data from 8 could not be analyzed (including 7 patients with no post-treatment data and 1 with a dosing error). Of the 53 patients whose data were analyzed, 22 were in the United States, 22 in Europe or Canada, and 9 in Japan. At baseline, 30 patients (57%) were receiving mechanical ventilation and 4 (8%) were receiving extracorporeal mem- brane oxygenation. During a median follow-up of 18 days, 36 patients (68%) had an improvement in oxygen-support class, including 17 of 30 patients (57%) receiving mechanical ventilation who were extubated. A total of 25 patients (47%) were discharged, and 7 patients (13%) died; mortality was 18% (6 of 34) among patients receiving invasive ventilation and 5% (1 of 19) among those not receiving invasive ventilation.

CONCLUSIONS
In this cohort of patients hospitalized for severe Covid-19 who were treated with compassionate-use remdesivir, clinical improvement was observed in 36 of 53 pa- tients (68%). Measurement of efficacy will require ongoing randomized, placebo- controlled trials of remdesivir therapy. (Funded by Gilead Sciences.)

Full article at link.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016?articleTools=true

:bobo

[TSA]

Only question I can answer is Gilead owns the patent, that was the drug orphan status was granted to. Still has to go through another phase but maybe be approved in the summer. Ramping and cost question marks.
Side effects were in the full article. Lots more to be tested if it works like will early administration head off severe cases.
vy65 :bobo

[ChumpDumper]

GREAT NEWS

Compassionate Use of Remdesivir for Patients with Severe Covid-19

Remdesivir, a nucleotide analogue prodrug that inhibits viral RNA polymerases, has shown in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2.
METHODS
We provided remdesivir on a compassionate-use basis to patients hospitalized with Covid-19, the illness caused by infection with SARS-CoV-2. Patients were those with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection who had an oxygen saturation of 94% or less while they were breathing ambient air or who were receiving oxygen support. Patients received a 10-day course of remdesivir, consisting of 200 mg administered intravenously on day 1, followed by 100 mg daily for the remaining 9 days of treat- ment. This report is based on data from patients who received remdesivir during the period from January 25, 2020, through March 7, 2020, and have clinical data for at least 1 subsequent day.

RESULTS
Of the 61 patients who received at least one dose of remdesivir, data from 8 could not be analyzed (including 7 patients with no post-treatment data and 1 with a dosing error). Of the 53 patients whose data were analyzed, 22 were in the United States, 22 in Europe or Canada, and 9 in Japan. At baseline, 30 patients (57%) were receiving mechanical ventilation and 4 (8%) were receiving extracorporeal mem- brane oxygenation. During a median follow-up of 18 days, 36 patients (68%) had an improvement in oxygen-support class, including 17 of 30 patients (57%) receiving mechanical ventilation who were extubated. A total of 25 patients (47%) were discharged, and 7 patients (13%) died; mortality was 18% (6 of 34) among patients receiving invasive ventilation and 5% (1 of 19) among those not receiving invasive ventilation.

CONCLUSIONS
In this cohort of patients hospitalized for severe Covid-19 who were treated with compassionate-use remdesivir, clinical improvement was observed in 36 of 53 pa- tients (68%). Measurement of efficacy will require ongoing randomized, placebo- controlled trials of remdesivir therapy. (Funded by Gilead Sciences.)

Full article at link.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016?articleTools=trueIt is good news. Maddening to have to wait for the definitive studies.

[Chris]

Word is Abbot will sign an executive order next week to reopen Texas businesses.

[ChumpDumper]

Word is Abbot will sign an executive order next week to reopen Texas businesses.Well, a plan for reopening. Won't happen in the cities until May.

[Trill Clinton]

As the US grapples with 16.8 million job losses in the last three weeks – representing roughly one in 10 working Americans – the below image shows people waiting in their cars on Thursday for the San Antonio Food Bank in Texas.


https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/42/45/19278203/7/core_thumbnail_list.jpg

https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/11/42/45/19278200/7/core_thumbnail_list.jpg

[GAustex]

I can work from home but “they” like me at work cause of my wisdom/knowing wtf to do.
I will be conflicted.

[picnroll]

It is good news. Maddening to have to wait for the definitive studies.
Just pray it doesn’t get manufactured in China. That’s one thing Trash can do for us.

[boutons_deux]

Some optimisim from bouts :tu

G F Y :)

After 3 months and counting of fuckups, how will the Repugs fuck this up?

What will Jared fucking Kushner do with it?

============

"On 9 October 2015, the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Medical_Research_Institute_of_I nfectious_Diseases) (USAMRIID) announced encouraging preclinical results that

the GS-5734 compound had blocked the Ebola virus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus) in Rhesus monkeys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhesus_monkeys).

The West African Ebola virus epidemic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_African_Ebola_virus_epidemic) lasted from 2013 to 2016. Travis Warren, who has been USAMRIID's principal investigator since 2007, said that

the "work is a result of the continuing collaboration between USAMRIID and Gilead Sciences.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remdesivir#cite_note-USAMRIID_20151009-10)

The "initial screening" of the "Gilead Sciences compound library to find molecules with promising antiviral activity" was performed by scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention) (CDC).[ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remdesivir#cite_note-USAMRIID_20151009-10)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remdesivir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remdesivir)

[boutons_deux]

Well, a plan for reopening. Won't happen in the cities until May.

what if employees have more brains the Abbott/Cruz/Cornhole/Patrick and refuse to return to work fearing for their safety?

We saw the WI Repugs and Repug SCOTUS force voters to vote when Repugs said they must vote or lose their vote.

[ChumpDumper]

what if employees have more brains the Abbott/Cruz/Cornhole/Patrick and refuse to return to work fearing for their safety?It's a good question. I was thinking more of the potential of Abbott's trying to overrule local officials, but haven't seen evidence that will happen so far.

[boutons_deux]

Well, a plan for reopening. Won't happen in the cities until May.

3 weeks from now is way too early

[boutons_deux]

It's a good question. I was thinking more of the potential of Abbott's trying to overrule local officials, but haven't seen evidence that will happen so far.

one punishment would be Abbott cutting off people's unemployment benefits if their jobs are operational.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248779181250375681?s=19

[CosmicCowboy]

If they are going to try to reopen in May they need to be hiring and training thousands of people to identify contacts of newly infected people and get them quarantined. Only way to beat this virus is to get ahead of it and stay ahead of it.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248779181250375681?s=19Good. If they choose not to respect god's virus, they should stay home for two weeks.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248779181250375681?s=19

Love thy neighbor

[boutons_deux]

Trump rambles about ‘genius’ coronavirus during long-winded briefing:

‘The germ has gotten so brilliant’
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/watch-trump-pontificate-on-his-brilliant-enemy-during-long-winded-coronavirus-briefing/

[TimDunkem]

But muh freedom :cry

[apalisoc_9]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248779181250375681?s=19

Nice. What a good Governor.

[Spurs Homer]

what if employees have more brains the Abbott/Cruz/Cornhole/Patrick and refuse to return to work fearing for their safety?

We saw the WI Repugs and Repug SCOTUS force voters to vote when Repugs said they must vote or lose their vote.


its WORSE than that -

SCOTUS made this ruling - REMOTELY - thru video - (for safety reasons)

WHILE FORCING WISCONSIN VOTERS TO GO OUT IN PUBLIC

[slick'81]

If they are going to try to reopen in May they need to be hiring and training thousands of people to identify contacts of newly infected people and get them quarantined. Only way to beat this virus is to get ahead of it and stay ahead of it.


They arent

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248779181250375681?s=19

Chris is OK with ICE busting illegal immigrants from every which where but is outraged when actual citizens dont comply with the law.

[picnroll]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248779181250375681?s=19

Trump going to be out there pumping hands and kissing babies at all those church revivals, tractor pulls and klan meeting come May?

[apalisoc_9]

Chris is OK with ICE busting illegal immigrants from every which where but is outraged when actual citizens dont comply with the law.

Chris is also ok with killing innocents so long as they are muslims and possibly homosexuals based on his post history but he's not Ok with the government taking down the license numbers of "Christians" who break the law and endanger the health of others.

[Chris]

Good. If they choose not to respect god's virus, they should stay home for two weeks.

man made virus boomer


Love thy neighbor

Nothing to do with the article. I thought you respected other people's religions angry atheist Blake?


Nice. What a good Governor.

troll account = not worth a response


Chris is OK with ICE busting illegal immigrants from every which where but is outraged when actual citizens dont comply with the law.

What part about illegal did you not understand? Don't like it? Ask your favorite person from Congress to change the law.


Trump going to be out there pumping hands and kissing babies at all those church revivals, tractor pulls and klan meeting come May?

Trump doesn't have to hold any more rallies to secure his second term, but he does it for the people.

Trump

[Chris]

Freedom to assemble...freedom to worship...If we can social distance at Wal-Mart and H-E-B, then the same thing should be fine at a church.

That we’re not, proves the church has finally been conquered by the state.

[spurraider21]

Freedom to assemble...freedom to worship...If we can social distance at Wal-Mart and H-E-B, then the same thing should be fine at a church.

That we’re not, proves the church has finally been conquered by the state.
You can’t get food without a market

you can pray without a church

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1248779181250375681?s=19
Herr Beshear

[Chris]

Herr Beshear

That's my shit.

Get your own shit.

[ChumpDumper]

man made virus boomer:lol there are two things wrong with that post

Call it a germ and make it three.

[ducks]

Governor Cuomo: Trump Is Right To Question W.H.O., Has ‘Effectively’ Used Defense Production Act


Blame trump for who bad advise
Liberals

[ducks]

3 weeks from now is way too early

Yes medical expert
Not you think you expert in everything though
You are really a suckpussynancy liberal

[ducks]

“The president, his answer is the World Health Organization should have been blowing the whistle,” Cuomo continued. “I don’t know enough to know if that’s right or wrong, but I know the question is right, and sometimes the question is more important than the answer. How did this happen? I mean, I still want to know how this happened because the warning signs were there, and if you don’t know the answer, then how do you know it’s not going to happen again? Right? Fool me once.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/governor-cuomo-trump-is-right-to-question-w-h-o-has-effectively-used-defense-production-act?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwbrand

[ducks]

USA spends millions for those people get advise that is wrong
Blame trump !
Liberal thinking

[ducks]

Wonder how much crime will be committed in Kentucky when people know cops be looking at car plates

[DarrinS]

This site is becoming useless.

[ChumpDumper]

Wonder how much crime will be committed in Kentucky when people know cops be looking at car platesNot much if they can see the criminals' plates.

[ducks]

You can’t get food without a market

you can pray without a church

Prove that people at the store need food!
I am sure they have food there they just want beer or smokes and ran out

[slick'81]

Us cases top 500,000 and researchers say worse is yet to come for florida and texas

The number of confirmed coronavirus cases (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/) in the United States topped 500,000 on Friday as health officials reported the highest number of deaths in a single day.
As of Friday evening, 18,637 people in the United States have died of coronavirus, according to a tally by Johns Hopkins University (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html), an increase of 1,953 deaths from Thursday. Worldwide, there are 1.69 million confirmed cases and more than 102,000 reported deaths.
The grim milestone comes as researchers warned that lifting social distancing measures too soon could lead to a setback in the pandemic mitigation.
The latest version of an influential model tracking the coronavirus pandemic estimated the US will see peak daily death numbers on Friday instead of Sunday.



The peak use of resources — like hospital beds and ventilators — will be on or around Saturday, as suggested earlier this week, according to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington in Seattle.
States like New York and New Jersey may have already passed their peaks this week, but Florida and Texas could see the worst by the end of the month, according to the IHME model.
Dr. Chris Murray, director at the IHME, said that even if the country sees a decrease in the number of deaths, ending mitigation efforts — like stay-at-home orders or social distancing — could have a negative effect by the summer.
“If we were to stop at the national level by May 1, we are seeing (in models) a return to almost where we are now sometime in July,” Murray said on CNN’s AC360.
The IHME’s modeling also estimates more people will die from coronavirus than previously predicted.
On Wednesday, the IHME estimated that 60,415 in the US would die of coronavirus by August, (http://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/politics/community-based-coronavirus-testing/index.html) assuming social distancing policies continue through May. On Friday, that estimate increased to 61,500.
White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx said health officials seeing a leveling of the curve for the first time since the pandemic hit the country but urged Americans to continue mitigation efforts.
“So it’s really about the encouraging signs that we see, but as encouraging as they are, we have not reached the peak, and so every day we need to continue to do what we did yesterday, and the week before, and the week before that,” Birx said at a White House news conference on Friday.
After federal officials began discussing what it would take for the US to reopen this week, new government projections indicate that coronavirus infections and deaths may dramatically increase if social distancing and other measures are lifted after only 30 days.
The projections, obtained by The New York Times, were drafted by the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Health and Human Services and dated April 9. The projections don’t indicate when those spikes would take place, the Times reported.
The Times reported that the documents outline three scenarios, including one where no restrictions are imposed and another where 25% of people telework, some social distancing continues, and schools remain closed until the summer months. The third scenario adds a 30-day shelter-in-place to the restrictions in the second scenario.
If stay-at-home orders are lifted after 30 days, report says, there would be a bump in the demand for ventilators and the death toll could reach 200,000, according to the Times.
A Health and Human Services spokesperson told CNN’s Kristen Holmes, “We do not comment on any alleged, leaked documents.” CNN has reached out to the Department of Homeland Security for comment.
President Donald Trump said he is hoping to reopen the country by a certain date, but he won’t do anything until he knows the country will be healthy.
“We don’t want to go back and start doing it over again, even though it would be in a smaller scale,” Trump said during Friday’s White House coronavirus briefing.


Earlier on Friday, the nation’s top infections disease expert cautioned against reopening too early, saying there should be a clear indication that the country is “strongly going in the right direction.”
“So, even though we’re in a holiday season, now is no time to back off,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told CNN. “As I say so often, now is the time to actually put your foot on the accelerator. Because we’re going in the right direction.”
Antibody tests that would verify whether a person recently had the novel coronavirus could be available within a week, according to the nation’s top infectious disease expert.
“Within a period of a week or so, we’re going to have a rather large number of tests that are available,” Fauci said on CNN’s New Day Friday morning.
Having antibodies to the coronavirus could mean someone is protected from getting re-infected, making such tests important for medical workers and others on the front lines fighting the pandemic.
“If their antibody test is positive, one can formulate strategies about whether or not they would be at risk or vulnerable to getting re-infected,” Fauci explained.
Tests that would identify a current infection would still be important, he said, and used in parallel with antibody tests, which still need to be validated.
“But as we look forward, as we get to the point of at least considering opening up the country as it were, it’s very important to appreciate and to understand how much that virus has penetrated this society,” Fauci said. “Because it’s very likely that there are a large number of people out there that have been infected, have been asymptomatic and did not know they were infected.”
Antibody tests are used in other clinical scenarios, said Dr. Colleen Kraft, associate chief medical officer of Emory University Hospital in Atlanta. Soon, she said, we’ll learn whether a coronavirus antibody test “tells us that somebody can go back to work, for instance, tells us that somebody is no longer infectious, and tells us that somebody cannot get the virus again.”
As officials begin discussing what it would take for the US to reopen, there could be “merit” to the idea of Americans carrying certificates of immunity that prove they have tested positive for coronavirus antibodies, Fauci said.
Fauci told CNN, “It’s one of those things that we talk about when we want to make sure that we know who the vulnerable people are and not.”
Americans need to continue to adhere to social distancing guidelines throughout the coming holiday weekend, Fauci said Friday.
“Because it is working,” he said. “The kinds of mitigations that we’re doing now, the curves that we’re seeing flattening and coming down, that’s exactly and precisely because of what the American public is doing.”
Some states remain cautiously optimistic with the latest developments.
In New York, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Friday that there was a dramatic decline” in the hospitalization rate averaged over the past three days.
“Overall, New York is flattening the curve,” Cuomo said.
The number of deaths, though, remained close to Wednesday’s high, down to 777 from 799. Cuomo described the deaths as a lagging indicator, saying those who don’t make it tend to have been hospitalized the longest.
Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont said new hospitalizations are dropping, while Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson announced the state has the lowest number of hospitalizations per 100,000 people compared to other neighboring states.
And while the number of coronavirus-related deaths continues to increase in Ohio, the number of people impacted by the virus is lower than previously projected, Gov. Mike DeWine said.
“Ohioans have done a great job,” the governor told CNN’s Jim Sciutto Friday. “They’ve changed the future, but we’ve got to keep doing it.”
California Gov. Gavin Newsom (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/us/california-governor-counties-ventilators/index.html) said the state has seen a 1.9% drop of people in ICU, and the stay-at-home order appears to be working.
“I think we’re seeing the consequences of that when we see that our mortality rate is really a lot lower than what have been predicted, and it really shows that this mitigation works,” said Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
While maintaining social distancing measures appears to be holding down the spread in some areas, reopening the country will require a strategy and understanding the extent of the transmission, experts say.

[ElNono]

Wonder how much crime will be committed in Kentucky when people know cops be looking at car plates

Less than in Chicago, probably.

[Blake]

Nothing to do with the article. I thought you respected other people's religions angry atheist Blake?

"Different churches have stayed open for different reasons. All of them need to suspend in-person events if they love their neighbors,” said Nathan Empsall, an Episcopal priest and campaigns director for the liberal-leaning grassroots Christian group Faithful America. "The best way to love our neighbors is to do so from a distance right now.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/pastors-follow-coronavirus-rules-defy-69669986

[Blake]

This site is becoming useless.

What are you doing to make this site a better place?

[slick'81]

This site is becoming useless.


Why on earth would you come here for useful or factual information d!?

[clambake]

ducks is a riot!

thank you for providing the less fortunate to ponder......."well shit, at least i'm not ducks"

[DarrinS]

Why on earth would you come here for useful or factual information d!?

Truth bomb, tbh.

[spurraider21]

Prove that people at the store need food!
I am sure they have food there they just want beer or smokes and ran out
Yeah and probably liberals!

[DMC]

TP doesn't need a prescription, nor lives depend on their availability (AFAIK).

Hoarding is hoarding. The ramifications be damned. The way you believe Trump is responsible for physicians hoarding meds is confusing, because physicians smart, Trump not smart.


Was it reckless? Sure, he's not well trained in leadership and has too many off the cuff side notes and doesn't accept tailored material well. It's refreshing some and detracting some, but doctors should know better.

You could say they feel people are going to hoard so they are getting theirs first, but isn't that the entire mentality of a group of panicky people?

This is why I have a gun.

[TimDunkem]

NYC shutting schools for the rest of the school year.

[vy65]

vy65 :bobo

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CrispMassiveDassie-size_restricted.gif

[rmt]

You can’t get food without a market

you can pray without a church

Spoken like someone who doesn't think that swatches of this country grow their own food - probably the same people who would want to go to church - and yes, they could social distance in church just the same as you could at Walmart or HEB.

[monosylab1k]

Spoken like someone who doesn't think that swatches of this country grow their own food - probably the same people who would want to go to church - and yes, they could social distance in church just the same as you could at Walmart or HEB.

:lmao

[TimDunkem]

^^Imagine being that out of touch. Smh

[TimDunkem]

Italy's new cases and deaths on the rise AGAIN. :wow

[Spurs Homer]

ABC showing

game 6- 2013

at 1pm today...

because the Corona isnt enough punishment!

Bastards!

[TimDunkem]

ABC showing

game 6- 2013

at 1pm today...

because the Corona isnt enough punishment!

Bastards!

Jfc. You think we would have had enough after NBA TV and ESPN showed it 100 times in the past few weeks. Guess not.

[monosylab1k]

^^Imagine being that out of touch. Smh

“JuSt GrOw YoUr OwN FoOd!”

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Spoken like someone who doesn't think that swatches of this country grow their own food - probably the same people who would want to go to church - and yes, they could social distance in church just the same as you could at Walmart or HEB.
:lmao yeah the typical American who rents an apartment also owns a farm and livestock

ranching just as a hobby after work and on weekends

[Blake]

Of course rmt would be arguing for the churches to be essential to the point of arguing how grocery stores are non-essential

[ducks]

I can go kill a elk and get meat and be by myself
Why do I have to go to the store ?

[RandomGuy]

Spoken like someone who doesn't think that swatches of this country grow their own food - probably the same people who would want to go to church - and yes, they could social distance in church just the same as you could at Walmart or HEB.

The average american has almost no access to the ability to grow enough food for themselves.

As for going to church, throw their asses in jail, they are endangering the rest of us. You are an idiot if you think you need a building to contact an all-seeing, all knowing entity. You are just going to show off how much better you are than everybody else.

[ducks]

Italy's new cases and deaths on the rise AGAIN. :wow

Trumps fault liberal logic

[TimDunkem]

Trumps fault liberal logic

Shut the fuck up.

[Blake]

I can go kill a elk and get meat and be by myself
Why do I have to go to the store ?

Me too because elk wander through my neighborhood all the time.

Tbh, deer do :lol

[spurraider21]

Me too because elk wander through my neighborhood all the time.

Tbh, deer do :lol
I hunt deer on the highway like in I Am Legend

[ChumpDumper]

I can go kill a elk and get meat and be by myself
Why do I have to go to the store ?Right, the famous Yuma Elk Rut is prime hunting time.

[monosylab1k]

The average american has almost no access to the ability to grow enough food for themselves.

In before rmt replies with “I have a cucumber garden in my backyard, and we always eat delicious salads! Everyone should do the same” without answering for the fact that nobody is going to grow enough crops in their fucking backyards to completely eliminate the need for grocery stores.

Not to mention they still need to go to a store to care for their garden and the soil, unless she has another boomer lady anecdote about having her own cow to shit everywhere.

[TSA]

The average american has almost no access to the ability to grow enough food for themselves.

As for going to church, throw their asses in jail, they are endangering the rest of us. You are an idiot if you think you need a building to contact an all-seeing, all knowing entity. You are just going to show off how much better you are than everybody else.

I don’t go to church nor am I religious. But if proper social distancing methods are put in place I don’t see people being allowed to go to church as a problem. I live in California and we’ve been sheltering in place longer than your state has. The grocery and hardware stores are a much bigger risk than a properly social distanced church service.

[Spurs Homer]

Just bagged me a moose - right off I-35 you fucking libs!

[spurraider21]

In before rmt replies with “I have a cucumber garden in my backyard, and we always eat delicious salads! Everyone should do the same” without answering for the fact that nobody is going to grow enough crops in their fucking backyards to completely eliminate the need for grocery stores.

Not to mention they still need to go to a store to care for their garden and the soil, unless she has another boomer lady anecdote about having her own cow to shit everywhere.
Well of course she has a cow. That’s how she gets milk, cheese, butter. Chickens for eggs

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11369033/people-europe-already-immune-coronavirus-antibodies/

The experts, from the University of Bonn, said that their initial findings show that as many as 15 per cent of the town of Gangelt - dubbed the 'German Wuhan' - had antibodies to Covid-19.

These people had not shown symptoms and were not previously thought to have been infected, they added.

That figure is three times higher than previous estimates, and if correct then Germany's death rate is just 0.37 per cent

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11369033/people-europe-already-immune-coronavirus-antibodies/

The experts, from the University of Bonn, said that their initial findings show that as many as 15 per cent of the town of Gangelt - dubbed the 'German Wuhan' - had antibodies to Covid-19.

These people had not shown symptoms and were not previously thought to have been infected, they added.

That figure is three times higher than previous estimates, and if correct then Germany's death rate is just 0.37 per centWeird that they say that then this:

But the academics cautioned that they cannot be extrapolated to the rest of Germany because Gangelt had a higher rate of infection.

Hopefully we can start useful testing here someday.

[SnakeBoy]

Hopefully we can start useful testing here someday.

We already are

[Blake]

In before rmt replies with “I have a cucumber garden in my backyard, and we always eat delicious salads!

:lmao

[Blake]

I don’t go to church nor am I religious. But if proper social distancing methods are put in place I don’t see people being allowed to go to church as a problem. I live in California and we’ve been sheltering in place longer than your state has. The grocery and hardware stores are a much bigger risk than a properly social distanced church service.

Nobody needs to go to church.

Just stop already

[ChumpDumper]

We already areGreat, where are our results like the above study for the US?

Show me the link for the US.

[Blake]

Great, where are our results like the above study for the US?

Show me the link for the US.

There was this one doctor in San Francisco that did some stuff

[TSA]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11369033/people-europe-already-immune-coronavirus-antibodies/

The experts, from the University of Bonn, said that their initial findings show that as many as 15 per cent of the town of Gangelt - dubbed the 'German Wuhan' - had antibodies to Covid-19.

These people had not shown symptoms and were not previously thought to have been infected, they added.

That figure is three times higher than previous estimates, and if correct then Germany's death rate is just 0.37 per cent

A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot at Roseland Community Hospital. Drive-thru testing is from 9 a.m. to noon and 1 to 4 p.m. each day. However, the hospital has a limited number of tests they can give per day.

Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.

https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody

[ChumpDumper]

There was this one doctor in San Francisco that did some stuffWe've tested maybe half of the people Germany has per capita and there is no national strategy for testing I can see. That would be useful.

[TimDunkem]

Weird that they say that then this:

But the academics cautioned that they cannot be extrapolated to the rest of Germany because Gangelt had a higher rate of infection.

Hopefully we can start useful testing here someday.

Yeah. Then there are a host of factors that could determine why some communities like Gangelt are okay while others with similar infection rates struggle. Good news for Gangelt isn't necessarily good news for the rest of the world.

[TimDunkem]

Nobody needs to go to church.

Just stop already

Even many of the uber religious will tell you the same thing. This is just another case of Trumpers going against the grain just for the sake of it.

[pgardn]

In before rmt replies with “I have a cucumber garden in my backyard, and we always eat delicious salads! Everyone should do the same” without answering for the fact that nobody is going to grow enough crops in their fucking backyards to completely eliminate the need for grocery stores.

Not to mention they still need to go to a store to care for their garden and the soil, unless she has another boomer lady anecdote about having her own cow to shit everywhere.

cows need to be fed.
my backyard wouldn’t last long.

I guess she has bundyfied some federal land.

[ChumpDumper]

A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot at Roseland Community Hospital. Drive-thru testing is from 9 a.m. to noon and 1 to 4 p.m. each day. However, the hospital has a limited number of tests they can give per day.

Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.

https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibodySumaya's probably gonna get fired.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah. Then there are a host of factors that could determine why some communities like Gangelt are okay while others with similar infection rates struggle. Good news for Gangelt isn't necessarily good news for the rest of the world.I really hope we're halfway to herd immunity but I hope information like this isn't used to force relaxation of restrictions at some arbitrary date.

[pgardn]

Send me the proper seeds for the season and some fertilizer and something to kill the raccoons oppossums the squirrels. The family will all take times to protect the garden with the proper weapons.

or I can train Hawks and owls but if they do too good a job... I’m going to have to share meat.
Gardener, pest assassin, raptor trainer.
no problem

engage victory garden.

[apalisoc_9]

How do I grow Kale and zucchini in my apartment?
rmt

[TimDunkem]

I really hope we're halfway to herd immunity but I hope information like this isn't used to force relaxation of restrictions at some arbitrary date.

Health officials in Cali and Washington say - according to the info they do have - that their infection rates are quite small. In some places, herd immunity could be building up, but others haven't even had the chance to build it. Short term, they're okay, but they're stuck right now.

It's a fine line, and stories out of Gangelt of all places shouldn't give anyone a false sense of security.

[TimDunkem]

Maybe some places like Milan, Queens, and Gangelt are building herd immunity. Not likely for everyone else.

[ducks]

Just caught me a fish have meat now

[ducks]

Have elk meat from last hunt for elk still

[ChumpDumper]

Just caught me a fish have meat nowWhat do you grow in your Yuma victory garden? Coffee and bananas?

[boutons_deux]

Health officials in Cali and Washington say - according to the info they do have - that their infection rates are quite small. In some places, herd immunity could be building up, but others haven't even had the chance to build it. Short term, they're okay, but they're stuck right now.

It's a fine line, and stories out of Gangelt of all places shouldn't give anyone a false sense of security.

herd works after 90%+ of the herd have antibodies.

CA has 40M people. 36M have been infected and recovered?

CA stay-home is stopping spread, nothing else.

As soon as people stop staying home /self isolating, the infections will arrive in waves, until there is a vaccine in the next couple years, at earliest

The pandemic will have a very long tail with multiple waves.

They do not if or how long covid-19 anti-bodies will provide immunity.

[TimDunkem]

herd works after 90%+ of the herd have antibodies.

CA has 40M people. 36M have been infected and recovered?

CA stay-home is stopping spread, nothing else.

As soon as people stop staying home /self isolating, the infections will arrive waves, until there is a vaccine in the next couple years.

The pandemic will have a very long tail with multiple waves.

They do not if or how long covid-19 anti-bodies will provide immunity.

100 percent. Herd immunity doesn't come before a massive increase in testing to determine who is building it, and a reliable tracking system to see who is safe and who is still a risk or at risk. We're not close to either of these things right now.

To the anti-bodies point, this is all assuming people actually aren't getting sick again. There are cases in East Asia where people seem to be either catching it again, or have the virus in their system for an extended period of time after their initial bout with it. Health experts say this is the exception to the rule, but there's still a lack of data out there, and it all comes back to the testing.

[TimDunkem]

^
Meanwhile: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/04/09/i-dont-think-its-needed-trump-says-widespread-nationwide-testing-isnt-necessary-to-reopen-country/amp/

[boutons_deux]

^
Meanwhile: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/04/09/i-dont-think-its-needed-trump-says-widespread-nationwide-testing-isnt-necessary-to-reopen-country/amp/

Trash doesn't give a shit about any other single human being, so Ks, 10Ks, 100Ks diseased or dead doesn't bother him in the least

All he wants is an economic recovery so he can brag about being victorious wartime President who deserves to be, who must be reelected.

[ducks]

Two-Thirds of Severe COVID-19 Cases Improved on Experimental Drug

Sciences Inc.’s experimental drug for patients with severe COVID-19 infections showed promise in an early analysis, raising tentative hope that the first treatment for the novel virus may be on the horizon.

The report published in the New England Journal of Medicine tracked 53 people in the U.S., Europe and Canada who needed respiratory support, with about half receiving mechanical ventilation and four on a heart-lung by-pass machine. Eight additional patients were left out of the analysis: one due to a dosing error and seven because no information was available on how they fared.

All received remdesivir for up to 10 days on a compassionate use basis, a program that allows people to use unapproved medicines when no other treatment options are available. Over 18 days, 68% of the patients improved, with 17 of the 30 patients on mechanical ventilation being able to get off the breathing device. Almost half of the patients studied were ultimately discharged, while 13% died. Mortality was highest among those who were on a ventilator, with 18% of them dying.

“We cannot draw definitive conclusions from these data, but the observations from this group of hospitalized patients who received remdesivir are hopeful,” said lead author Jonathan Grein, director of hospital epidemiology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, in a statement from Gilead. The Foster City, California-based company provided the medication and also helped analyze the results.

Some scientists have expressed skepticism with regard to the results.

“The data from this paper are almost uninterpretable,” Stephen Evans, a professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said in an emailed statement. “There is some evidence suggesting efficacy, but we simply do not know what would have happened to these patients had they not been given the drug.”

Several large scale clinical trials are underway to evaluate the benefit of remdesivir for COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus that has infected more than 1.65 million people worldwide and killed 100,000. One that was conducted in China could report results this month. Another, sponsored by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, has enrolled patients rapidly as the virus spread throughout the U.S. It could also report results in the coming weeks. Gilead itself is sponsoring an additional two trials.

‘Answers Are Needed’

“In studying remdesivir, the question is not just whether it is safe and effective against COVID-19, but in which patients it shows activity, how long should they receive treatment and at what stage of their disease would treatment be most beneficial,” said Daniel O’Day, Gilead’s chairman and chief executive officer. “Many answers are needed, which is why we need multiple types of studies involving many types of patients.”

Some of these answers will emerge in the coming weeks with the release of initial data from the various clinical trials, O’Day said Friday in an open letter sent via email.

There are currently no treatments proven to work specifically against the coronavirus infection. Gilead has provided the medicine to more than 1,800 patients on a compassionate use basis.

Cheap to Make

If it’s shown to be safe and effective for treating COVID-19, the medication is estimated to cost about $9 a treatment to make, said Andrew Hill, a senior visiting research fellow in the pharmacology department at Liverpool University, and colleagues in a study Friday.

As an intravenous infusion, there would be additional costs to administer remdesivir, which are likely to exceed the estimated manufacturing, the authors said.

Results of controlled studies of remdesivir are highly anticipated because they will be some of the first rigorous large-scale studies completed on potential anti-coronavirus drugs.

President Donald Trump and others have touted the potential of hydroxychloroquine, an old malaria and lupus drug, for treating COVID-19. But that drug hasn’t yet been carefully studied in a large trial to see if it prevents severe complications. Most of the excitement stems from relentless social media promotion of a tiny French study whose methodology has been heavily criticized by many U.S. medical experts.

Remdesivir, a broad-spectrum antiviral, is viewed by researchers and doctors as one of the most promising agents against COVID-19 to enter human trials to date. In lab studies conducted prior to the COVID-19 outbreak on numerous compounds, researchers at the University of North Carolina and Vanderbilt University found the drug had potent activity against against a wide variety of coronaviruses similar to the new coronavirus.

Tested for Ebola

Because it had already been tested in patients with Ebola, where it was shown to be safe but ineffective, researchers were able to quickly begin studying it human trials when the COVID-19 pandemic hit.

About one in four patients on the medicine experienced severe side effects, including multiple-organ dysfunction syndrome, septic shock, acute kidney injury and low blood pressure. Another 23% showed signs of liver damage on laboratory tests. Four patients had to stop receiving infusions of the drug entirely.

Remdesivir was considered to be the most promising therapeutic candidate based on its broad antiviral spectrum, and existing data based on human and animal studies, a World Health Organization panel said in January. The medication was developed initially for Ebola and studied in patients in Eastern Congo.

If it works well, one issue will be whether there is enough of a supply of the drug, especially if the epidemic is still raging. Gilead has been working all-out to bolster supply of the hard-to-make medicine. It said earlier this month that it hopes to to have 500,000 treatment courses by October, and more than 1 million by year-end. Production time has also been accelerated to six months from one year.

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19 Reaches U.S. Slaughterhouses (https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/10/covid-19-reaches-u-s-slaughterhouses/)

Meat giant JBS USA Holdings closed (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-hits-meat-plants-as-some-workers-get-sick-others-stay-home-11586196511)its Souderton, Pennsylvania slaughter operation.

Tyson Foods closed its Columbus Junction, Iowa pork slaughterhouse.

Pennsylvania-based Empire Kosher Poultry temporarily closed its doors and

Sanderson Farms asked employees at its Moultrie, GA slaughter operation to stay home.

COVID-19 has hit U.S. slaughterhouses big time.

In addition to management-ruled closures,

employees have also walked out (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-hits-meat-plants-as-some-workers-get-sick-others-stay-home-11586196511)

because of the growing number of COVID-19 infected employees and the risks on site.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/10/covid-19-reaches-u-s-slaughterhouses/ (https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/10/covid-19-reaches-u-s-slaughterhouses/)

Everybody back to work 1 May, Trash's catastrophic Reign of Crap to continue.

[ducks]

Lots of people think they got the virus Jan and feb
No one died
They had symptoms of it
17 causes reported in Yuma country 3 only activate

[TimDunkem]

^TL;DR for ducks wall of text: A couple of people improved after taking this, but we're not sure why and we can't actually use it on most people


Keep pushing those drugs, moron.

[TimDunkem]

Just "thinking" you have Covid is as good as a test, and 10 people taking a drug and surviving is as good as a cure in ducks world.

[clambake]

ducks said fuck it long ago

now he gets his kool-aid through an IV

[Reck]

NYC shutting schools for the rest of the school year.

According to Bill De Blasio.

Cuomo dick slapped him over it. Says he doesn’t have the authority to open or close anything. :lol

Dont know who has the power to do what over the other but this beef is hilarious to me.

[boutons_deux]

Delta Reportedly Tells Flight Attendants Not to Notify Colleagues If They Get Coronavirus

Delta Air Lines has sent instructions to over 25,000 flight attendants saying that in the event they are diagnosed with the novel coronavirus,

they should “refrain from notifying” other employees at the company or publicly disclosing their condition online,

Dozens of the company’s pilots have been confirmed diagnosed with the virus and

many employees suspected Delta was trying to prevent information about pilots who tested positive from getting to flight crews,

https://gizmodo.com/delta-reportedly-tells-flight-attendants-not-to-notify-1842799488?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-11 (https://gizmodo.com/delta-reportedly-tells-flight-attendants-not-to-notify-1842799488?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-11)

[vy65]

But dozens of interviews with current and former officials and a review of emails and other records revealed many previously unreported details and a fuller picture of the roots and extent of his halting response as the deadly virus spread:

The National Security Council office responsible for tracking pandemics received intelligence reports in early January predicting the spread of the virus to the United States, and within weeks was raising options like keeping Americans home from work and shutting down cities the size of Chicago. Mr. Trump would avoid such steps until March.

Despite Mr. Trump’s denial weeks later, he was told at the time about a Jan. 29 memo produced by his trade adviser, Peter Navarro, laying out in striking detail the potential risks of a coronavirus pandemic: as many as half a million deaths and trillions of dollars in economic losses.

The health and human services secretary, Alex M. Azar II, directly warned Mr. Trump of the possibility of a pandemic during a call on Jan. 30, the second warning he delivered to the president about the virus in two weeks. The president, who was on Air Force One while traveling for appearances in the Midwest, responded that Mr. Azar was being alarmist.

Mr. Azar publicly announced in February that the government was establishing a “surveillance” system in five American cities to measure the spread of the virus and enable experts to project the next hot spots. It was delayed for weeks. The slow start of that plan, on top of the well-documented failures to develop the nation’s testing capacity, left administration officials with almost no insight into how rapidly the virus was spreading. “We were flying the plane with no instruments,” one official said.

By the third week in February, the administration’s top public health experts concluded they should recommend to Mr. Trump a new approach that would include warning the American people of the risks and urging steps like social distancing and staying home from work. But the White House focused instead on messaging and crucial additional weeks went by before their views were reluctantly accepted by the president — time when the virus spread largely unimpeded.

https://apple.news/A4fMB0P14RL2seyOYjG-xCQ

[boutons_deux]

Trump pushed to shutter pandemic monitoring program even as he received reports of COVID-19

Trump’s administration pushed ahead with its plan to shutter a major agency tasked with identifying new sources of potential pandemics,

even as the first reports of the novel coronavirus appeared in China —

then frantically tried to reverse the decision as the crisis worsened.

“As early indications of China’s coronavirus outbreak emerged in late December,

the Trump administration notified Congress it would still follow through with its plan to shutter a US Agency for International Development surveillance program

tasked with detecting new, potentially dangerous infectious diseases and helping foreign labs stop emerging pandemic threats around the world,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trump-pushed-to-shutter-pandemic-monitoring-program-even-as-he-received-reports-of-covid-19-report/

Heckuva job, Donnie.

How much can Donnie fuck up between now 20 Jan 2121?

It will certainly be a lot fuckups

[SnakeBoy]

How do I grow Kale and zucchini in my apartment?
rmt

Same way you grow weed

[SnakeBoy]

Great, where are our results like the above study for the US?

Show me the link for the US.

Now you want small scale anecdotes instead of a comprehensive study lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1249062170970726400?s=19

[apalisoc_9]

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/1249062170970726400?s=19

Chris has issues with any governor trying to stop to the spread of corona

[mrsmaalox]

A phlebotomist working at Roseland Community Hospital said Thursday that 30% to 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies while only around 10% to 20% of those tested have the active virus.

Sumaya Owaynat, a phlebotomy technician, said she tests between 400 and 600 patients on an average day in the parking lot at Roseland Community Hospital. Drive-thru testing is from 9 a.m. to noon and 1 to 4 p.m. each day. However, the hospital has a limited number of tests they can give per day.

Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.

https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody

A PHLEBOTOMIST?!? Is that seriously this person’s only credential? I looked at the article and didn’t see anything else. Freaking amazing.

[mrsmaalox]

Sumaya's probably gonna get fired.

And hopefully the person who quoted and published her too :rolleyes

[Winehole23]

Delta Reportedly Tells Flight Attendants Not to Notify Colleagues If They Get Coronavirus

Delta Air Lines has sent instructions to over 25,000 flight attendants saying that in the event they are diagnosed with the novel coronavirus,

they should “refrain from notifying” other employees at the company or publicly disclosing their condition online,

Dozens of the company’s pilots have been confirmed diagnosed with the virus and

many employees suspected Delta was trying to prevent information about pilots who tested positive from getting to flight crews,

https://gizmodo.com/delta-reportedly-tells-flight-attendants-not-to-notify-1842799488?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-11 (https://gizmodo.com/delta-reportedly-tells-flight-attendants-not-to-notify-1842799488?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-04-11)


What are the lives of mere employees compared to the glory and continued profitability of an international airline?

[boutons_deux]

"the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it

is far greater than those who currently have the disease."

that's not news, it's expected.

so fucking what?

[TimDunkem]

What are the lives of mere employees compared to the glory and continued profitability of an international airline?

I imagine this is happening at a lot of the businesses that are open right now.

[benefactor]

:lol these last couple of pages

[ChumpDumper]

Now you want small scale anecdotes instead of a comprehensive study lolI want proof of your claim from you.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249089357392351233?s=19

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249089357392351233?s=19

Officers have been overreaching all over the country.