Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Winehole23]

the airborne/aerosol controversy is a hot one apparently:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768396

[Winehole23]

for the twitter philes

1289721055901147139

[DarrinS]

A respiratory disease is in the air. Who knew?

[ElNono]

A respiratory disease is in the air. Who knew?

Last I read, it's no longer considered merely a respiratory disease...

[Winehole23]

A respiratory disease is in the air. Who knew?Others might be interested in the professional conversation about it, if you don't wish to condescend to details that's a personal choice.

[Winehole23]

outbreak in Hong Kong


The developments came as Hong Kong recorded 125 new Covid-19 cases on Saturday, the 11th day in a row with triple-digit increases (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3095336/hong-kong-third-wave-city-confirms-fresh-daily)
.


The city also reported its highest daily death toll. Six elderly patients confirmed with Covid-19 and another who tested preliminary positive were the latest fatalities. They all had chronic illnesses and three were care home residents. The official infection tally stood at 3,396 with 33 related deaths.

Social-distancing measures including mandatory mask wearing in public areas, and a ban on gatherings of more than two people and on restaurant dine-in services from 6pm to 5am were expected to be extended (https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3095642/hong-kong-third-wave-more-100-new-covid-19-cases)
, a source familiar with the situation said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3095646/hong-kong-third-wave-mainland-clinical-teams

[boutons_deux]

the main path of infection is nasal

all the proof I need, without the academic research, is that widespread masks decreases cases, no masks increases cases.

It looks like the Berliners are emulating the American anti-mask freedumb obliviots,

just as Hitler followed the white supremacy example of an an American writer.

Ain't America da best evah?

[ElNono]

Texas doctor fighting 'war against COVID and a war against stupidity'

Texas, battling a spike in coronavirus cases, set a state record for deaths in a week with 1,875. At least one top physician in the state is upset by the public's unwillingness to wear masks, practice social distancing and otherwise join the battle to halt the pandemic.

"I'm pretty much fighting two wars," Dr. Joseph Varon told told NBC News (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buTkbpyB8ZI) in Houston. "A war against COVID and a war against stupidity. And the problem is the first one, I have some hope about winning. But the second one is becoming more and more difficult."

Varon, chief medical officer of United Memorial Medical Center, said that although science and common sense dictate some of the measures, "people just are not listening throughout the country."

"The thing that annoys me the most is that we keep on doing our best to save these people, and then we get another batch of people who are doing exactly what we are telling them not to do," Varon said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/08/02/covid-updates-dangerous-hand-sanitizers-curfew-australia/5563510002/

[boutons_deux]

"we keep on doing our best to save these people,"

... while risking their health and lives trying to save the stupids.

[ChumpDumper]

for the twitter philes

1289721055901147139I think the tweet count itself illustrates the problem in trying to find a single word to communicate how it is thought this virus is transmitted. It looks like it's easier to get in an indoor setting where people aren't wearing masks. That's about it.

[Winehole23]

I think the tweet count itself illustrates the problem in trying to find a single word to communicate how it is thought this virus is transmitted. It looks like it's easier to get in an indoor setting where people aren't wearing masks. That's about it.Anything that gets people talking about pertinent COVID-19 facts is to be encouraged, even if it seems silly at times. You never can be too obvious, or too clear.

[ChumpDumper]

Anything that gets people talking about pertinent COVID-19 facts is to be encouraged, even if it seems silly at times. You never can be too obvious, or too clear.Right. I just don't think the goal should be one word descriptors for such a complicated mechanism.

[Winehole23]

Right. I just don't think the goal should be one word descriptors for such a complicated mechanism.sounds about right

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1290088048491769858?s=19

[Trainwreck2100]

Last I read, it's no longer considered merely a respiratory disease...
With how it affects other systems, I've heard is called vascular disease.


https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1290088048491769858?s=19
That's the truth though, what else could we do to get normalcy back

[Chris]

With how it affects other systems, I've heard is called vascular disease.


That's the truth though, what else could we do to get normalcy back

If you take the vaccine then you won't have to worry about people that decide not to take it since you will be immune.

Federally mandated vaccines should scare you.

[Winehole23]

With how it affects other systems, I've heard is called vascular disease.


That's the truth though, what else could we do to get normalcy backDon't worry, I hear the October Surprise is a COVID-19 vaccine.

[Winehole23]

If you take the vaccine then you won't have to worry about people that decide not to take it since you will be immune.

Federally mandated vaccines should scare you.Hah, if we had a COVID-19 vaccine we wouldn't have enough for everyone. Not even close.

Do you think Trump is going to make it mandatory?

[Winehole23]

Rushing out a hastily tested and Trump-approved vaccine just in time for the election but too late to know for sure whether it actually works, would seem to be the thing to do.

[boutons_deux]

Don't worry, I hear the October Surprise is a COVID-19 vaccine.

It's gonna be Barr releasing Durham's bullshit. Of course, since Trash, Barr, etc have totally lied so far, Durham's bullshit will have no credibility, will land like a dead cat with no bounce.

Trash has been hosing out many $Bs for a vaccine, even to criminal Kodak mgmt for HCQ chemicals :lol.

Perhaps if he had started in Nov '19 paying for vaccine and doing all the anti-pandemic stuff a Real President would have done, we might have had a vaccine, the pandemic well under control instead exploding, and Trash a lock for a 2nd term.

[Winehole23]

solid take, boutons

[Winehole23]

foreshadowing


The Philippines stock market tumbled on Monday (Aug 3) after the government reimposed coronavirus lockdown measures (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/philippines-to-reimpose-stricter-covid-19-lockdown-in-manila-12984652) in and around Manila in response to fresh outbreaks, dashing hopes of a swifter economic recovery.

The restrictions, due to take effect from Tuesday, are being reinstated after a group of doctors and nurses warned that the healthcare system could collapse (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/philippines-doctors-nurses-urge-new-covid-19-lockdown-12982432) as a result of surging COVID-19 cases.

"It's a bitter but necessary pill given the plight of our medical frontliners," said Francis Lim, president of the Management Association of the Philippines. "We hope the government will deep dive into our COVID-19 strategy and find more effective ways to execute it."
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/philippine-economy-fears-covid-19-curbs-reintroduced-12985632

[Winehole23]

"What we are seeing today is different from March and April. It is extraordinarily widespread," Birx told CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/politics/birx-coronavirus-new-phase-cnntv/index.html)

1290315022023962626

[Winehole23]

As the coronavirus established itself in the U.S., it found a nation through which it could spread easily, without being detected. For years, Pardis Sabeti, a virologist at the Broad Institute of Harvard and MIT, has been trying to create a surveillance network that would allow hospitals in every major U.S. city to quickly track new viruses through genetic sequencing. Had that network existed, once Chinese scientists published SARS‑CoV‑2’s genome on January 11, every American hospital would have been able to develop its own diagnostic test in preparation for the virus’s arrival. “I spent a lot of time trying to convince many funders to fund it,” Sabeti told me. “I never got anywhere.”

The CDC developed and distributed its own diagnostic tests in late January. These proved useless because of a faulty chemical component. Tests were in such short supply, and the criteria for getting them were so laughably stringent, that by the end of February, tens of thousands of Americans had likely been infected but only hundreds had been tested. The official data were so clearly wrong that The Atlantic developed its own volunteer-led initiative—the COVID Tracking Project (https://covidtracking.com/)—to count cases.

Diagnostic tests are easy to make, so the U.S. failing to create one seemed inconceivable. Worse, it had no Plan B. Private labs were strangled by FDA bureaucracy. Meanwhile, Sabeti’s lab developed a diagnostic test in mid-January and sent it to colleagues in Nigeria, Sierra Leone, and Senegal. “We had working diagnostics in those countries well before we did in any U.S. states,” she told me.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/coronavirus-american-failure/614191/

[Winehole23]

when the fire department has a slow year, do you cut its budget?


“As public health did its job, it became a target” of budget cuts, says Lori Freeman, the CEO of the National Association of County and City Health Officials.

Today, the U.S. spends just 2.5 percent of its gigantic health-care budget on public health (https://www.tfah.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/TFAH_2019_PublicHealthFunding_07.pdf). Underfunded health departments were already struggling to deal with opioid addiction, climbing obesity rates, contaminated water, and easily preventable diseases. Last year saw the most measles cases since 1992. In 2018, the U.S. had 115,000 cases of syphilis and 580,000 cases of gonorrhea (https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2019/2018-STD-surveillance-report-press-release.html)—numbers not seen in almost three decades. It has 1.7 million cases of chlamydia, the highest number ever recorded.

Since the last recession, in 2009, chronically strapped local health departments have lost 55,000 jobs—a quarter of their workforce (https://www.tfah.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/TFAH2020PublicHealthFunding.pdf). When COVID‑19 arrived, the economic downturn forced overstretched departments to furlough more employees. When states needed battalions of public-health workers to find infected people and trace their contacts, they had to hire and train people from scratch (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/06/18/879787448/as-states-reopen-do-they-have-the-workforce-they-need-to-stop-coronavirus-outbre).

[boutons_deux]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/covid-19.png

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/covid-19_states.png



https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/covid-19_parties.png

[Winehole23]

Jesus, I hope the new plateau isn't even higher than first spike.

I hate this movie.

[DarrinS]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/covid-19_parties.png









https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

[ElNono]

Japan Acted Like the Virus Had Gone. Now It’s Spread Everywhere.

After initial success, Japan is facing a reality check on the coronavirus.

The country garnered global attention after containing the first wave of Covid-19 with what it referred to as the “Japan Model” -- limited testing and no lockdown, nor any legal means to force businesses to close. The country’s finance minister even suggested a higher “cultural standard” helped contain the disease.

But now the island nation is facing a formidable resurgence, with Covid-19 cases hitting records nationwide day after day. Infections first concentrated in the capital have spread to other urban areas, while regions without cases for months have become new hotspots. And the patient demographic -- originally younger people less likely to fall seriously ill -- is expanding to the elderly, a concern given that Japan is home to the world’s oldest population

Experts say that Japan’s focus on the economy may have been its undoing. As other countries in Asia, which experienced the coronavirus earlier than those in the West, wrestle with new flare ups of Covid-19, Japan now risks becoming a warning for what happens when a country moves too fast to normalize -- and doesn’t adjust its strategy when the outbreak changes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-31/japan-acted-like-the-virus-had-gone-now-it-s-spread-everywhere

[tholdren]

Jesus, I hope the new plateau isn't even higher than first spike.

I hate this movie.

lolololololll

Lolololooooo

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[Winehole23]

Hawai'i pondering other lockdown


Hawaii’s positive COVID-19 (http://bit.ly/2IHAYm4) cases went back to triple digits Sunday, adding another data point to a surge that is bringing the state closer to another widespread lockdown and garnering national attention.

State Health Department officials reported only 45 new cases Sunday morning but said they were “not a complete and accurate picture due to the temporary delay in receiving complete data” from Clinical Labs of Hawaii, a private laboratory conducting most of the tests in the state.

Lt. Gov. Josh Green said Sunday evening that DOH had sorted out the accounting issue and that the “number does appear again to be in the triple digits.”
“The only way we are going to bring our numbers back down is either an immediate full-court press on all cases — tracing and testing on active cases and isolating them,” Green said, “or if the cases continue in the triple digits, the state of Hawaii will have no choice other than widespread shutdown — which will be extremely painful and nothing that I want to put people through.”

Green said the state is at a crossroads now, and “this week is the last week to get the numbers under control without having to take dramatic measures.”
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/08/03/hawaii-news/with-cases-increasing-at-a-distressing-rate-lt-gov-josh-green-says-a-statewide-lockdown-might-be-the-only-way-out/

[tholdren]

Hawai'i pondering other lockdown

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/08/03/hawaii-news/with-cases-increasing-at-a-distressing-rate-lt-gov-josh-green-says-a-statewide-lockdown-might-be-the-only-way-out/

lolololl Hawaii

[Winehole23]

lolololl Hawaiilolololl you

[tholdren]

lolololl you

det scinz doh

[tholdren]

If we see another week of triple digits, the only sensible thing to do is to have a two- to four-week shutdown with only essential work occurring to keep ourselves alive

[Winehole23]

If we see another week of triple digits, the only sensible thing to do is to have a two- to four-week shutdown with only essential work occurring to keep ourselves aliveWhy isn't that reasonable for Hawai'i?

Be as specific as you can.

(foldren about to fold again.)

[ElNono]

If we see another week of triple digits, the only sensible thing to do is to have a two- to four-week shutdown with only essential work occurring to keep ourselves alive

wrong

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1290467305667932170?s=19

:tu

[Winehole23]

lol AAPS
lol Gateway Pundit

[Chris]

lol AAPS
lol Gateway Pundit

lol vague ad hominem

[Winehole23]

lol vague ad hominemyou can keep them

[spurraider21]

:lmao

even if we were going to take those charts seriously, does fauci have unilateral authority to ban the use of a drug? he's not even part of the FDA :lol

[tholdren]

The average number of daily COVID-19 deaths on a weekly basis has fallen from a peak of just over 2,000 to 700 or so. That’s a roughly 65% decline. And it’s no fluke. The figure has been dropping steadily since April.

Hold on. That last number for June 23 on the chart shows a huge jump. Should we be worried? Is this the much-dreaded surge some have been talking up?

Apparently not. A big part of that one-time gain came from a revision by one state: Delaware.

As Youyang Gu, an MIT data scientist who created the COVID 19-projections.com site, tweeted: “To put the increase in deaths in context, Delaware added 69 deaths today: ‘The revision came from identifying 67 deaths dating back to April.’ So if you take out those 67 deaths, the week-over-week deaths have not changed.”

Goldman Sachs’ state-level tracker shows similar trends. The volume of coronavirus tests has risen 23% in the past two weeks, but positive results have increased just 1.3 percentage points to 6.2%. Meanwhile, deaths have fallen over the past two weeks by 12%.

This is bad news for those who, for a variety of reasons, seek to plunge us back into lockdowns and social isolation, despite the proven devastating economic impacts that would have. If COVID-19 deaths aren’t rising, and they aren’t, the rationale for shutdowns evaporates.

But the rationale in the first place could be even weaker than first thought. The reason for this is that the deaths now attributed to COVID-19 might be grossly exaggerated. The evidence is substantial, and has been obvious for weeks. (We first wrote about it in late May.)

[Winehole23]

If COVID-19 deaths aren’t rising, and they aren’t, the rationale for shutdowns evaporates.Hmm, death rate is the only criterion here?

[pgardn]

The average number of daily COVID-19 deaths on a weekly basis has fallen from a peak of just over 2,000 to 700 or so. That’s a roughly 65% decline. And it’s no fluke. The figure has been dropping steadily since April.

Hold on. That last number for June 23 on the chart shows a huge jump. Should we be worried? Is this the much-dreaded surge some have been talking up?

Apparently not. A big part of that one-time gain came from a revision by one state: Delaware.

As Youyang Gu, an MIT data scientist who created the COVID 19-projections.com site, tweeted: “To put the increase in deaths in context, Delaware added 69 deaths today: ‘The revision came from identifying 67 deaths dating back to April.’ So if you take out those 67 deaths, the week-over-week deaths have not changed.”

Goldman Sachs’ state-level tracker shows similar trends. The volume of coronavirus tests has risen 23% in the past two weeks, but positive results have increased just 1.3 percentage points to 6.2%. Meanwhile, deaths have fallen over the past two weeks by 12%.

This is bad news for those who, for a variety of reasons, seek to plunge us back into lockdowns and social isolation, despite the proven devastating economic impacts that would have. If COVID-19 deaths aren’t rising, and they aren’t, the rationale for shutdowns evaporates.

But the rationale in the first place could be even weaker than first thought. The reason for this is that the deaths now attributed to COVID-19 might be grossly exaggerated. The evidence is substantial, and has been obvious for weeks. (We first wrote about it in late May.)

wrong

once we understand the longer lasting symptoms you will wet your Depends.
but we will never know because you will go bunkering.

[ChumpDumper]

The average number of daily COVID-19 deaths on a weekly basis has fallen from a peak of just over 2,000 to 700 or so. That’s a roughly 65% decline. And it’s no fluke. The figure has been dropping steadily since April.

Hold on. That last number for June 23 on the chart shows a huge jump. Should we be worried? Is this the much-dreaded surge some have been talking up?

Apparently not. A big part of that one-time gain came from a revision by one state: Delaware.

As Youyang Gu, an MIT data scientist who created the COVID 19-projections.com site, tweeted: “To put the increase in deaths in context, Delaware added 69 deaths today: ‘The revision came from identifying 67 deaths dating back to April.’ So if you take out those 67 deaths, the week-over-week deaths have not changed.”

Goldman Sachs’ state-level tracker shows similar trends. The volume of coronavirus tests has risen 23% in the past two weeks, but positive results have increased just 1.3 percentage points to 6.2%. Meanwhile, deaths have fallen over the past two weeks by 12%.

This is bad news for those who, for a variety of reasons, seek to plunge us back into lockdowns and social isolation, despite the proven devastating economic impacts that would have. If COVID-19 deaths aren’t rising, and they aren’t, the rationale for shutdowns evaporates.

But the rationale in the first place could be even weaker than first thought. The reason for this is that the deaths now attributed to COVID-19 might be grossly exaggerated. The evidence is substantial, and has been obvious for weeks. (We first wrote about it in late May.)Karen is also upset about the Columbus statue.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1290481491110109191?s=19

called that shit

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1290481491110109191?s=19

called that shit"Unbelievable" as in complete bullshit, yes.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1290481491110109191?s=19

called that shit

fake news

[Blake]

lol vague ad hominem

Lol gateway pundit is a joke.

"Put Fauci in jail"

GTFO :lol

[boutons_deux]

Poll: 82 percent of voters support a national face mask mandate

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/510317-poll-82-percent-of-voters-support-a-national-mask-mandate

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DELTA PASSENGERS REMOVED FROM FLIGHT FOR REFUSING TO WEAR MASKS

A Delta Air Lines flight returned to the gate at its airport of origin last week in order to remove two passengers who refused to wear masks.

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Delta should have cancelled their tickets and kept their money

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117194180_165319331797742_135975661681067711_n.png ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=YuB9B_Sx8LUAX8dIiPv&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=d41207dd0b11f6df0fdefa45d88528e6&oe=5F4D2A6D

[Winehole23]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/donald-trump-us-response-coronavirus-pandemic-a4515886.html

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1290481491110109191?s=19

called that shit
Who are these five mystery people working for Fauci. What company does Fauci have an ownership stake in? What is the patent we can look up that Fauci owns in part? Vague accusations

[Blake]

Who are these five mystery people working for Fauci. What company does Fauci have an ownership stake in? What is the patent we can look up that Fauci owns in part? Vague accusations

AD HOMINEM! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

[Winehole23]

Boston

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/03/nation/amid-rise-covid-19-cases-experts-eye-roll-back-reopening-mass/?event=event25

[Winehole23]

a moral argument against a herd immunity strategy


“What is herd immunity and could it happen in the US?” [Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/04/herd-immunity-coronavirus-outbreak-vaccine)]. Interview with Dr Angela Rasmussen, virologist and associate research scientist, Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health; Dr Amber D’Souza, professor of epidemiology, Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health; Dr Marc Lipsitch, professor of epidemiology and director, Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health.


Is there any possibility that we could achieve natural herd immunity to Covid-19?

D’Souza: The data suggest that nationwide, maybe 10% of Americans have been exposed. We’re not even close to achieving herd immunity through natural infection at this point.

Rasmussen: The idea that, “Well, we’re just stuck with it, so let’s all just get it over with and we’ll all have herd immunity”, is just not done. It would cause the deaths of millions of people and potentially the permanent disability of millions more. We can’t afford to pay that type of epidemiological price for herd immunity. We need to wait for a vaccine.

Lipsitch: The problem is that we’ll suffer in the process. So, it’s not that we can’t do it, it’s that we don’t want to do it, given the damage that we now know that it can cause.

I don’t think it’s scientifically wrong, I think it’s morally wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/04/herd-immunity-coronavirus-outbreak-vaccine
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/08/200pm-water-cooler-8-4-2020.html

[in2deep]

our hospitals would be 99% full for the next 3-4 years before we reach infection rate of > 60%

[DarrinS]

our hospitals would be 99% full for the next 3-4 years before we reach infection rate of > 60%

Link?

[spurraider21]

people really dont understand how herd immunity works :lol... herd immunity doesnt mean you just go about like nothing and wait for all of the at-risk people to eventually die off.

herd immunity is typically the concept that works when you have a largely vaccinated population which protects the select few who are immunocompromised. it's one thing if we get a covid vaccine rolled out that lets us reach herd immunity quickly (relative) and safely. it's another thing to just roll back all precautions and let everybody get sick and have millions hospitalized, several hundreds of thousands dead on the way there

[spurraider21]

or just say you dont care about millions hospitalized and hundreds of thousands of people dying. just call it a culling of the herd, and nevermind the collapse of the medical system and the costs/expenses associated with it, towards each of the hospitals, government, and individuals

[ElNono]

or just say you dont care about millions hospitalized and hundreds of thousands of people dying. just call it a culling of the herd, and nevermind the collapse of the medical system and the costs/expenses associated with it, towards each of the hospitals, government, and individuals

Don't forgot to give companies immunity against this nothingburger, tbh

[Winehole23]

Don't forgot to give companies immunity against this nothingburger, tbh:tu

[DarrinS]

or just say you dont care about millions hospitalized and hundreds of thousands of people dying. just call it a culling of the herd, and nevermind the collapse of the medical system and the costs/expenses associated with it, towards each of the hospitals, government, and individuals

Yeah, we just don't care. Lol.

How does this herd immunity equation change if half the population is already immune?

[Winehole23]

Yeah, we just don't care. Lol.

How does this herd immunity equation change if half the population is already immune?Saw a reply to this today. I'm not a Biology Prof, I can't tell whether Carl T. Bergstrom is right or not, tbh.

1290747079455682560

[ElNono]

How does this herd immunity equation change if half the population is already immune?

How does it change?

Even if we low ball the herd immunity threshold to a meager 60%, and we already have 50%, it took 6 months to increase that by additional 1.6%. So we would still be looking at at least a couple of years, and that's assuming that there's a 50% of people immune, and the threshold is in the lower bound.

Herd immunity is not a solution, it's something that will happen naturally, especially if we get an effective vaccine or the virus implodes on it's own.

[Blake]

Yeah, we just don't care. Lol.

How does this herd immunity equation change if half the population is already immune?

Well yeah they're not in your zip code

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, we just don't care. Lol.

How does this herd immunity equation change if half the population is already immune?
Saying “it is what it is” in response to questions about 150,000 dead people is something I’d expect to hear from someone who doesn’t care.

[Trainwreck2100]

Saw a reply to this today. I'm not a Biology Prof, I can't tell whether Carl T. Bergstrom is right or not, tbh.

1290747079455682560
What he's initially talking about is kind of like survivorship bias. He's saying with 2 people infected from 1 person it was actually double that, but the other two people were immune so they had no idea they were sick. This is the part where I'm guessing but you could probably look it up. Because there's a higher r0 we may need a higher population infected for herd immunity

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1291207659283263488?s=19

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117175184_2740339052734453_6556164822170553078_o.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=0Qm7SInD9BwAX_IxY9K&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=de99d4bb3898c6e807793b545431b0d0&oe=5F539A10

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1291207659283263488?s=19

I'm going to wager "Benny" is being disingenuous somehow.

[Chris]

I'm going to wager "Benny" is being disingenuous somehow.

Someone help Blake here.

[ChumpDumper]

Someone help Blake here.OK.

Blake is right.

[boutons_deux]

Since Trash barred states from sending data to CDC, count goes down, but 80% of states report increasing cases.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&interval=weekly&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&country=USA~CHE~AUT~BEL~DNK~FIN~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~NO R~ESP~SWE~GBR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm going to wager "Benny" is being disingenuous somehow.

The headline on the right is from March when we assumed shit would be over by June. And before Twitter decided to crackdown on misinformation

[boutons_deux]

only 2/3 of Americans will accept C19 vaccination, that 2/3 being the fittest for surviving

the other unfittest 1/3 can GFY

[Trainwreck2100]

only 2/3 of Americans will accept C19 vaccination, that 2/3 being the fittest for surviving

the other unfittest 1/3 can GFY

Not that high

[hater]

Lol I cant imagine more than 55% of americans willing to get a covid vaccine this year

Maybe next year if nigas dont grow tails and shit

[pgardn]

Yeah, we just don't care. Lol.

How does this herd immunity equation change if half the population is already immune?

if half the population has been infected then we better have a long-term health care plan for these people for long-term problems.
because we don’t have a vaccine therefore they got the disease and possible lingering consequences

[boutons_deux]

Does coronavirus linger in the body?

https://www.livescience.com/does-coronavirus-linger-in-body.html (https://www.livescience.com/does-coronavirus-linger-in-body.html?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=21725&utm_content=20200806_Coronavirus_Infographic+&utm_term=194127&m_i=ehGeQE6lBxdlY%2B7Zmht9ka%2B7xH5qn86uzpO1Yry74B 05eQvUMpu5wNl21oOB0kn_KUs5ZQjtvwQLysdVBZGMp%2BzlnQ YRek)

[tholdren]

ifr less than flu



Lol

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math or foldren.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117174923_3183761598336795_6504097495952989583_n.p ng?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=rHc4N20w7SkAX-nflsP&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=e150d80d35dd110543a8344d272b7b5c&oe=5F50BFEF

[boutons_deux]

Forecast: 300,000 U.S. COVID-19 Deaths By December 1

Health experts at the University of Washington said

70,000 lives could be saved if people were scrupulous about wearing masks.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-death-prediction-us-december-2020_n_5f2ccd9fc5b64d7a55f1126c (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-death-prediction-us-december-2020_n_5f2ccd9fc5b64d7a55f1126c)

150K more dead in about 150 days = 1000 dead/day avg

[boutons_deux]

The Most Common Long-Term Symptoms Of Covid-19

A new study has identified a pattern of symptoms likely to be experienced by people hospitalised with the virus.

For around one in 10 people (https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-why-are-some-people-experiencing-long-term-fatigue-141405)who develop Covid-19, the symptoms don’t pass after a few weeks.

Fatigue,

breathlessness,

psychological distress – including problems with concentration and memory – and

a general decline in quality of life

are commonly reported in those who end up in hospital.

The results showed the most prevalent symptom was fatigue.

More than 60% who had been treated on a ward reported fatigue, and

one third described it as moderate or severe.

For patients who had been in intensive care, 72% reported fatigue.

Of those, more than half said it was moderate or severe.

The second most common symptom was breathlessness.

The third most prevalent issue was neuropsychological symptoms. Almost a quarter of people who had been on a ward and just under a half of the people who had been in intensive care had some of the symptoms of PTSD.

More than two thirds (69%) of patients in the intensive care group and just under half (46%) of the other group said

their overall quality of life had deteriorated since becoming ill.

there’s “very little information” on longer-term problems after people are discharged from hospital.

for some, the road to recovery may take months and it is vital specialist rehabilitation is on hand to support them,”

after three weeks of reporting symptoms,

a group of people continue to experience
fatigue,
headaches,
coughs,
loss of smell,
sore throats,
delirium, and
chest pain.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/long-term-symptoms-of-covid-19-identified-in-study-of-hospital-patients_uk_5f2bc0f6c5b64d7a55eefcfa?guccounter=1

[Winehole23]

“There’s a joke about immunology, which Jessica Metcalf of Princeton recently told me. An immunologist and a cardiologist are kidnapped. The kidnappers threaten to shoot one of them, but promise to spare whoever has made the greater contribution to humanity. The cardiologist says, ‘Well, I’ve identified drugs that have saved the lives of millions of people.’ Impressed, the kidnappers turn to the immunologist. ‘What have you done?’ they ask. The immunologist says, ‘The thing is, the immune system is very complicated …’ And the cardiologist says, “Just shoot me now.'”https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/08/covid-19-immunity-is-the-pandemics-central-mystery/614956/

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/117189334_999640740465520_1873504208820609228_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=mbF5TBKwXEwAX-Pr5T2&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=e349598486879f18ae39cfcbb51cc474&oe=5F515BB7

[Winehole23]

People will see what they want here, I found this interesting as a balanced evaluation of an admittedly murky population immunity situation.

1291860659118804992

[TimDunkem]

Fuck one of my friend's/coworker's husband just died of this. Didn't know he was sick but everyone found out today. I assume he was between 25-35 like the rest of us. He leaves behind her and their 3 kids.

[baseline bum]

Fuck one of my friend's/coworker's husband just died of this. Didn't know he was sick but everyone found out today. I assume he was between 25-35 like the rest of us. He leaves behind her and their 3 kids.

Sorry man, just found out someone I knew passed from COVID too. Not the same guy though because he didn't have kids.

[ChumpDumper]

Fuck one of my friend's/coworker's husband just died of this. Didn't know he was sick but everyone found out today. I assume he was between 25-35 like the rest of us. He leaves behind her and their 3 kids.


Sorry man, just found out someone I knew passed from COVID too. Not the same guy though because he didn't have kids.Condolences. All the people I know with it recovered-- 2 are 55+.

[baseline bum]

Condolences. All the people I know with it recovered-- 2 are 55+.

COVID is batting 2 for 2 against the people I knew who tested positive in the SA area.

[Winehole23]

Fuck one of my friend's/coworker's husband just died of this. Didn't know he was sick but everyone found out today. I assume he was between 25-35 like the rest of us. He leaves behind her and their 3 kids.Damn, dude. Sorry.

[Winehole23]

COVID is batting 2 for 2 against the people I knew who tested positive in the SA area.Sorry for your loss. People aren't replaceable.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/117165938_2975550122567556_4830783792320255353_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=Sa9CzWNQbFkAX_pgHJZ&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=f20b88ffff54ff501ef8e9383599a2ee&oe=5F556E19

[ducks]

COVID is batting 2 for 2 against the people I knew who tested positive in the SA area.

Sad for you
I know several that had it and hardly sick at all
2 people that I know they knew people that died
One wear a 95 mask everyone in in house by herself and got it and died

[ChumpDumper]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/117165938_2975550122567556_4830783792320255353_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=Sa9CzWNQbFkAX_pgHJZ&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=f20b88ffff54ff501ef8e9383599a2ee&oe=5F556E19You can't see Trump's corruption.

[TimDunkem]

Sorry man, just found out someone I knew passed from COVID too. Not the same guy though because he didn't have kids.


Condolences. All the people I know with it recovered-- 2 are 55+.


Damn, dude. Sorry.

It was even worse because he got sick and died visiting family within days. He left and she never saw him again.

[tholdren]

It was even worse because he got sick and died visiting family within days. He left and she never saw him again.

MODERN MEDICINE

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

PUBLISHED THU, FEB 22 2018 9:31 AM EST

UPDATED WED, FEB 28 2018 9:39 AM EST

Ray Sipherd

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KEY POINTS

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.

[Will Hunting]

Sad for you
I know several that had it and hardly sick at all
2 people that I know they knew people that died
One wear a 95 mask everyone in in house by herself and got it and died
Fuck you ducks, people like you are the reason this hasn’t been contained yet.

[ChumpDumper]

MODERN MEDICINE

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

PUBLISHED THU, FEB 22 2018 9:31 AM EST

UPDATED WED, FEB 28 2018 9:39 AM EST

Ray Sipherd

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KEY POINTS

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.gossip

[pgardn]

MODERN MEDICINE

The third-leading cause of death in US most doctors don't want you to know about

PUBLISHED THU, FEB 22 2018 9:31 AM EST

UPDATED WED, FEB 28 2018 9:39 AM EST

Ray Sipherd

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KEY POINTS

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.

Key Point:

People are killed in mudslides every five years in California.

The Foldren Folds again.

[Winehole23]

Reducing COVID-19 to the fatality rate and comparing it things like car crashes and medical mistakes is dishonest on a number of levels. Unlike COVID-19, the countermeasures for the latter do not have an exponential effect on the occurrence of cases; car crashes and medical mistakes are not contagious.

,

[tholdren]

Fuck you ducks, people like you are the reason this hasn’t been contained yet.

No

[tholdren]

Reducing COVID-19 to the fatality rate and comparing it things like car crashes and medical mistakes is dishonest on a number of levels. Unlike COVID-19, the countermeasures for the latter do not have an exponential effect on the occurrence of cases; car crashes and medical mistakes are not contagious.

,

no it isn't. Those are called facts. Lol look at you ranking the importance of categories of death.

Stop posting ignorance

[Winehole23]

Our government's collossal mismanagement has made the US the global epicenter of COVID-19 and has plunged the country into depression.

Those are facts too.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MiltonWolfMD/status/1292111858309136385

lol

[RandomGuy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MiltonWolfMD/status/1292111858309136385

lol

Yes or no, does the second graph show that infection rates drop after mask mandates are imposed?

[ChumpDumper]

Looks like masks were pretty effective in bringing down the infection rates in the areas where it was initially high.:tu

[Blake]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MiltonWolfMD/status/1292111858309136385

lol

"...February 24, 2014 at 9:30 AM EST
It is hard to decide who is nuttier – Dr. Milton Wolf, the radiologist-turned-tea-party-Senate-candidate in Kansas, or the right-wingers who still back him. Sunday, this story broke in Kansas:....."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/02/24/code-blue-for-dr-milton-wolf/

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

"...February 24, 2014 at 9:30 AM EST
It is hard to decide who is nuttier – Dr. Milton Wolf, the radiologist-turned-tea-party-Senate-candidate in Kansas, or the right-wingers who still back him. Sunday, this story broke in Kansas:....."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/02/24/code-blue-for-dr-milton-wolf/

:lol:lmao dude is actually a distant cousin of Black President.

[RandomGuy]

"...February 24, 2014 at 9:30 AM EST
It is hard to decide who is nuttier – Dr. Milton Wolf, the radiologist-turned-tea-party-Senate-candidate in Kansas, or the right-wingers who still back him. Sunday, this story broke in Kansas:....."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/02/24/code-blue-for-dr-milton-wolf/

:lol


“An array of professionals involved in medical ethics who viewed the images or were provided a description of the materials made public by Wolf condemned his airing of the information outside confines of a doctor-to-doctor consultation or for the purpose of formal medical research or textbook instruction.”

Ethically and logically challenged... seems par for the course for the modern conservative movement, i.e. morally and intellectually bankrupt.

[TSA]

Yes or no, does the second graph show that infection rates drop after mask mandates are imposed?

Yes.

Yes or no, was the first graph purposely misleading?

Yes or no, does the second graph show counties with no mask mandates had a lower rate of incidence than counties with mask mandates?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes.

Yes or no, was the first graph purposely misleading?

Yes or no, does the second graph show counties with no mask mandates had a lower rate of incidence than counties with mask mandates?Holy shit! Wichita has more cases than Sharon Springs!

[Blake]

Ethically and logically challenged... seems par for the course for the modern conservative movement, i.e. morally and intellectually bankrupt.

BUT HE'S WEARING A LAB COAT THO

[Blake]

Yes.

Yes or no, was the first graph purposely misleading?

Yes or no, does the second graph show counties with no mask mandates had a lower rate of incidence than counties with mask mandates?

Seriously, what's the point you're trying to make here? That masks don't work?

I mean I thought you were already loony enough before this.

[TSA]

Seriously, what's the point you're trying to make here? That masks don't work?

I mean I thought you were already loony enough before this.

I didn’t really have a point other than to laugh at how deceptive the first graph was that was shown by Secretary Norman. Do you not have a problem with the deception?

[DMC]

I didn’t really have a point other than to laugh at how deceptive the first graph was that was shown by Secretary Norman. Do you not have a problem with the deception?

Odd question to ask Blake.

[ElNono]

No

Wrong

[DMC]

Our government's collossal mismanagement has made the US the global epicenter of COVID-19 and has plunged the country into depression.

Those are facts too.

:lol "lock it down!"

:lol "economic downturn!"

:lol "orangeman bad!"

[DMC]

Amusing how two sides look at the same chart with a dual Y axis and come to completely different yet still convenient conclusions to suit their bias.

Dual Y axis can be used if you are comparing rates of fall or increase, but for raw numbers it's misleading and I think the author was under political pressure to not show mask use as less effective, especially given the fact that pop density isn't being charted.

[Blake]

I didn’t really have a point other than to laugh at how deceptive the first graph was that was shown by Secretary Norman. Do you not have a problem with the deception?

There's no deception though. Thanks for the laugh.

[Blake]

Amusing how two sides look at the same chart with a dual Y axis and come to completely different yet still convenient conclusions to suit their bias.

Dual Y axis can be used if you are comparing rates of fall or increase, but for raw numbers it's misleading and I think the author was under political pressure to not show mask use as less effective, especially given the fact that pop density isn't being charted.

Oh look, a DMC narrative sighting

[hater]

Trumpistas trying to prove double negatives

Nothkng to see here :lmao

[pgardn]

This whole thing has brought about some of the worst graphs I have ever seen.
And comparing mask usage in counties when you have no idea what their population density anyhow is misleading.
Oh look, the red rural counties with a bunch of farmers who dont wear masks are doing fine?

Again.

Why the fck have people in the medical profession, especially in the OR, required to wear masks every time they enter?
Its like we are going through the smoking is bad or not argument all over again... People do not understand that pathogens can become airborne and drop, float a while, drop quickly...

Lay a petri dish with agar out for an hour and then close it and see what grows compared to one that is covered Try it with various types of coverings. Its not that hard to "see" understand we breath in all types of crap. Our noses and mouths and epithelial linings are made to remove all the crap we breath in and swallow it or sneeze it cough it out. Some pathogens can take advantage of our own method (coughing, sneezing, giving off fluid) of riding ourselves of very small debri.

fucks sake this is so ridiculous as to be comical... We have descended back into the dark ages of spirits and witchcraft.

[DarrinS]

There seems to be two phases to this disease

Phase 1: onset of symptoms, early viral replication
Phase 2: shortness of breath, require hospitalization

There are therapeutics that should keep most people from advancing to phase 2.

Zinc + a zinc ionophore (HCQ or quercetin) should significantly slow viral replication.

Don't know why we don't push this more.

Oh well, I got my supply.

[tholdren]

Ethically and logically challenged... seems par for the course for the modern conservative movement, i.e. morally and intellectually bankrupt.

Can't believe you still post. Your math was wrong every time.

[tholdren]

This whole thing has brought about some of the worst graphs I have ever seen.
And comparing mask usage in counties when you have no idea what their population density anyhow is misleading.
Oh look, the red rural counties with a bunch of farmers who dont wear masks are doing fine?

Again.

Why the fck have people in the medical profession, especially in the OR, required to wear masks every time they enter?
Its like we are going through the smoking is bad or not argument all over again... People do not understand that pathogens can become airborne and drop, float a while, drop quickly...

Lay a petri dish with agar out for an hour and then close it and see what grows compared to one that is covered Try it with various types of coverings. Its not that hard to "see" understand we breath in all types of crap. Our noses and mouths and epithelial linings are made to remove all the crap we breath in and swallow it or sneeze it cough it out. Some pathogens can take advantage of our own method (coughing, sneezing, giving off fluid) of riding ourselves of very small debri.

fucks sake this is so ridiculous as to be comical... We have descended back into the dark ages of spirits and witchcraft.

you were wrong. Face it

[tholdren]

Looks like masks were pretty effective in bringing down the infection rates in the areas where it was initially high.:tu
You mean like the nordic countries? Yes or no?

[DarrinS]

I don't know what you posted, but do simple things to avoid hospital.

[Blake]

There seems to be two phases to this disease

Phase 1: onset of symptoms, early viral replication
Phase 2: shortness of breath, require hospitalization

There are therapeutics that should keep most people from advancing to phase 2.

Zinc + a zinc ionophore (HCQ or quercetin) should significantly slow viral replication.

Don't know why we don't push this more.

Oh well, I got my supply.

Don't know why you keep peddling HCQ

[tholdren]

covid ifr under 50 1/4 of flu


Chumpdump.... lololo man this is not working out for you

[Blake]

covid ifr under 50 1/4 of flu


Chumpdump.... lololo man this is not working out for you

Lies

[pgardn]

covid ifr under 50 1/4 of flu


Chumpdump.... lololo man this is not working out for you

You dont understand basic concepts.
You never have and you are too old to learn.

[tholdren]

You dont understand basic concepts.
You never have and you are too old to learn.

lololololoIlolpololooppollolooloololllpl2 weeks


Lolololoollooooololololloooolool

[Blake]

^ completely lost it

[tholdren]

^ completely lost it

nope basking in the ever dropping ifr glory.


Enjoy

[Blake]

^ the unraveling of folderp

[DarrinS]

Don't know why you keep peddling HCQ

You can take quercetin instead

[Blake]

You can take quercetin instead

Thanks but I'll listen to a real medical expert

[ChumpDumper]

You mean like the nordic countries? Yes or no?:lmao the Nordic countries whose excess deaths you are too scared to post?


:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math.

[DarrinS]

Thanks but I'll listen to a real medical expert

Ok, don't take it.

Good luck.

[Blake]

Ok, don't take it.

Good luck.

since nobody anywhere worth his salt recommends it I'm sure i nor anyone else needs it.

But thanks just the same

[tholdren]

since nobody anywhere worth a salt recommends it I'm sure i nor anyone else needs it.

But thanks just the same

If you are under 70 and have no preexisting conditions you will only need nothing. Because it will not kill you. But keep hiding

[Blake]

If you are under 70 and have no preexisting conditions you will only need nothing. Because it will not kill you. But keep hiding

Keep playing stupid games :tu

[tholdren]

Keep playing stupid games :tu

You over 70?

[Winehole23]

:lol "lock it down!"

:lol "economic downturn!"

:lol "orangeman bad!"You're starting to resemble your forum epigones, Chris and Spurtacular.
.
Multi emoji forced hilarity surrender.

[DarrinS]

since nobody anywhere worth his salt recommends it I'm sure i nor anyone else needs it.

But thanks just the same


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4

About 2:00 in

[Blake]

You over 70?

Nope and I get you don't get it. You don't need to keep spouting lies.

[Blake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4

About 2:00 in

"Quercetin is a plant pigment (flavonoid). It is found in many plants and foods, such as red wine, onions, green tea, apples, berries, Ginkgo biloba, St. John's wort, American elder, and others. Buckwheat tea has a large amount of quercetin. People use quercetin as a medicine.

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Quercetin may have benefit for some airway infections, but there is no good evidence to support using it for COVID-19. Follow healthy lifestyle choices and proven prevention methods instead."

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-294/quercetin

Sounds like I get plenty of it naturally already and is completely unnecessary to buy additional supplies of it from the vitamin section at HEB to treat/prevent COVID.

But thanks just the same.

[baseline bum]

nope basking in the ever dropping ifr glory.


Enjoy

best part of your day again?

[DarrinS]

"Quercetin is a plant pigment (flavonoid). It is found in many plants and foods, such as red wine, onions, green tea, apples, berries, Ginkgo biloba, St. John's wort, American elder, and others. Buckwheat tea has a large amount of quercetin. People use quercetin as a medicine.

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Quercetin may have benefit for some airway infections, but there is no good evidence to support using it for COVID-19. Follow healthy lifestyle choices and proven prevention methods instead."

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-294/quercetin

Sounds like I get plenty of it naturally already and is completely unnecessary to buy additional supplies of it from the vitamin section at HEB to treat/prevent COVID.

But thanks just the same.


Just cross your fingers.

[pgardn]

The supplement market, herbal cures, etc. are alive and well.
they are here to stay.

[boutons_deux]

Is the obesity problem one of insufficient dosage of mg per Kg of body weight?

Probably not, the virologists would have thought of that.

[boutons_deux]

...

[DarrinS]

Is the obesity problem one of insufficient dosage of mg per Kg of body weight?

Probably not, the virologists would have thought of that.

Dosage of what?

[tholdren]

Is the obesity problem one of insufficient dosage of mg per Kg of body weight?

Probably not, the virologists would have thought of that.

Avg age of death mid 70s.

[Blake]

Just cross your fingers.

No, I use proper prevention methods like masks, etc and if I do get it, I'll use something else other than HCQ or quercetin.

But thanks just the same

[Spurtacular]

No, I use proper prevention methods like masks, etc and if I do get it, I'll use something else other than HCQ or quercetin.

But thanks just the same

What will your treatment be?

[Spurtacular]

Avg age of death mid 70s.

:lmao TheGreatYacht

[RandomGuy]

Yes.

Yes or no, was the first graph purposely misleading?

Yes or no, does the second graph show counties with no mask mandates had a lower rate of incidence than counties with mask mandates?

No.

Yes.

Why do you think this last bit is relevant? (puzzled)

[RandomGuy]

I didn’t really have a point other than to laugh at how deceptive the first graph was that was shown by Secretary Norman. Do you not have a problem with the deception?

Except... it was intended to show that masks are at least correlated with bringing down incidence of disease, which you acknowledge.

Anything other than that seems to be you wishcasting, based on some twitter quack's ravings.

[ChumpDumper]

No.

Yes.

Why do you think this last bit is relevant? (puzzled)IF EVERYONE IN KANSAS CITY JUST MOVED TO HOXIE PANDEMIC OVER!

https://feedcattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Hoxie-Feedyard.png

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsiCth7iUY

[spurraider21]

for those who have had issues with the analyses done by looking at excess deaths... excess death figures seem to track quite well with the covid deaths...

https://i.gyazo.com/93d45cb96dd57696af54490ef8a390dd.png

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm


https://i.gyazo.com/176562ba92ab10cb968c103ead692d0d.png

[DarrinS]

7 day moving average of covid deaths in Sweden is 1

[ChumpDumper]

7 day moving average of covid deaths in Sweden is 1Sweden's in your zip code now?

[tholdren]

Sweden's in your zip code now?
No lockdown no mask no one healthy died from covid alone.

Wonder how that happened?


Yes or no?

[ChumpDumper]

No lockdown no mask no one healthy died from covid alone.

Wonder how that happened?


Yes or no?I wonder why you lie about literally everything.

[Winehole23]

I wonder why you lie about literally everything.seems to spark delight and joy

[DMC]

for those who have had issues with the analyses done by looking at excess deaths... excess death figures seem to track quite well with the covid deaths...

https://i.gyazo.com/93d45cb96dd57696af54490ef8a390dd.png

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm


https://i.gyazo.com/176562ba92ab10cb968c103ead692d0d.png

Why show daily deaths when it's obvious by the pattern they are not being reported completely on the weekends even though the days are still be counted? Then the numbers are tallied in the following week/s. A 7 day moving average is a better indicator. The chart should be called "daily deaths reported" instead of "daily deaths". It's misleading but for plenty on the left, that's ok since it confirms what you think you already knew.

[ChumpDumper]

:rollin

[spurraider21]

:lmao

[DMC]

South Korea (1 Feb - 30 Mar)
The number of deaths in South Korea has been 5% higher than average, with about 2,400 more people dying than usual.

Official Covid-19 deaths
163
Other excess deaths
2,215

This was months ago. I guess they nailed it down. I wonder where they hid all the bodies.

[DMC]

:lmao

Tell us about that COVID from January 2018.

[Winehole23]

South Korea (1 Feb - 30 Mar)
The number of deaths in South Korea has been 5% higher than average, with about 2,400 more people dying than usual.

Official Covid-19 deaths
163
Other excess deaths
2,215

This was months ago. I guess they nailed it down. I wonder where they hid all the bodies.Where do you think we are hiding all the bodies, or do you presume our government is honest, unlike all the other shithole governments?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

[Winehole23]

Why show daily deaths when it's obvious by the pattern they are not being reported completely on the weekends even though the days are still be counted? Then the numbers are tallied in the following week/s. A 7 day moving average is a better indicator. The chart should be called "daily deaths reported" instead of "daily deaths". It's misleading but for plenty on the left, that's ok since it confirms what you think you already knew.Did you know the CDC slacks off on weekends?


The number of new cases reported each day fluctuates. There is generally less reporting on the weekends and holidays.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/about-us-cases-deaths.html

[Winehole23]

to be fair, I have no idea what HHS and Palantir are doing with the numbers now.

[Winehole23]

to be fair, I have no idea what HHS and Palantir are doing with the numbers now.does anyone?

[tholdren]

Allergies: Scientists have noted children with asthma and allergies surprisingly don't seem to be at high risk of developing serious cases of COVID-19. One theory is that those children have a reduced number of ACE2 receptors, the protein the virus latches onto before replicating inside the body. Without those receptors, the virus' chance of causing damage could decrease, meaning allergies may offer protection in this case.

Masks: Masks are discussed as a preventative measure, but they may contribute to more mild infections, as well. The most direct evidence of this theory is a comparison of two cruise ships. On the Diamond Princess, where masks weren't used, 47 percent of the positive cases were asymptomatic, whereas an Antarctic-bound Argentine cruise ship that had a similar outbreak, but provided masks to all passengers and crew, saw an 81 percent asymptomatic rate.

[ChumpDumper]

Allergies: Scientists have noted children with asthma and allergies surprisingly don't seem to be at high risk of developing serious cases of COVID-19. One theory is that those children have a reduced number of ACE2 receptors, the protein the virus latches onto before replicating inside the body. Without those receptors, the virus' chance of causing damage could decrease, meaning allergies may offer protection in this case.

Masks: Masks are discussed as a preventative measure, but they may contribute to more mild infections, as well. The most direct evidence of this theory is a comparison of two cruise ships. On the Diamond Princess, where masks weren't used, 47 percent of the positive cases were asymptomatic, whereas an Antarctic-bound Argentine cruise ship that had a similar outbreak, but provided masks to all passengers and crew, saw an 81 percent asymptomatic rate.“A high rate of asymptomatic infection is a good thing,” said Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California at San Francisco. “It’s a good thing for the individual and a good thing for society.”

Fortunately you wear your mask. Good boy.

[spurraider21]

Why show daily deaths when it's obvious by the pattern they are not being reported completely on the weekends even though the days are still be counted? Then the numbers are tallied in the following week/s. A 7 day moving average is a better indicator. The chart should be called "daily deaths reported" instead of "daily deaths". It's misleading but for plenty on the left, that's ok since it confirms what you think you already knew.
theres a 7 day average option on worldometer

https://i.gyazo.com/a5c6695265d26696bfacf47469bce811.png

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Tell us about that COVID from January 2018.
there wasn't. the numbers from 2018 aren't comparable to 2020

[ChumpDumper]

How is DMC whiffing on excess deaths for a solid week now?:lol

[Winehole23]

there wasn't. the numbers from 2018 aren't comparable to 2020:lmao

[spurraider21]

and 2018 was one of the worse flu seasons in the last couple of decades

[Winehole23]

and 2018 was one of the worse flu seasons in the last couple of decadesit is striking how many people suggest we should just ignore excess death in our country as if it were something an order of magnitude less dangerous.

And besides, we tolerate thousands of non-contagious preventable deaths per year for dangerous work conditions, shootings and driving your car. What's a half millon more deaths in 12 months?

Just a statistic.

[Winehole23]

How is DMC whiffing on excess deaths for a solid week now?:lolDunno. I fed him the link twice.

[DMC]

theres a 7 day average option on worldometer

https://i.gyazo.com/a5c6695265d26696bfacf47469bce811.png

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

No shit. It just overlays. You're still pushing panic porn over daily deaths when in reality the daily deaths aren't as high as these "record deaths" utterances indicate. Don't pretend it's the same thing, it's not. The total deaths are the same, and to take it to the extreme to prove a point, imagine all deaths from the year reported in one week as daily deaths.. WOW!

By the way, countries that barely test but have a high percentage of positives aren't being honest. These are the percentages of total tests that resulted in cases.... sorted by country. There were 3 that were above 100 so they obviously aren't reporting correctly. You can see the "normal" testing regimen vs reporting in some of the more developed nations, but those nations with historically restrictive governments, who protect their leaders through censorship and denial, those are quite obvious too. Another interesting stat is the number of tests per 1M pop, since countries like Japan have tested such a small percentage of their total population and yet somehow have a positive rate close to Spain and France. Are they just better at testing?

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UK 1.693900
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Grenada 0.383877
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Brunei 0.327854
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Greenland 0.232327
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China 0.093649
Laos 0.064302

[DMC]

and 2018 was one of the worse flu seasons in the last couple of decades

But isn't the flu considered normal deaths per the math wizard RG? I asked how many excess deaths were there in previous years, he said none. I saw no arguments.

[DMC]

it is striking how many people suggest we should just ignore excess death in our country as if it were something an order of magnitude less dangerous.

And besides, we tolerate thousands of non-contagious preventable deaths per year for dangerous work conditions, shootings and driving your car. What's a half millon more deaths in 12 months?

Just a statistic.
You don't seem to have a problem ignoring it in certain states, or in other countries you might use to compare the US to. You just seem to want to focus on excess deaths when it suits you. I'm all for proper toting of the ciphers as long as it's across the board. With NY having 25K excess deaths, there was damn near nary a peep about it but shit was all in the bed around Texas' relatively low excess deaths. It's all about scoring political talking points. It has nothing to do with science.

[DMC]

there wasn't. the numbers from 2018 aren't comparable to 2020

There were excess deaths.

[ChumpDumper]

:rollin

[spurraider21]

No shit. It just overlays. You're still pushing panic porn over daily deaths when in reality the daily deaths aren't as high as these "record deaths" utterances indicate. Don't pretend it's the same thing, it's not. The total deaths are the same, and to take it to the extreme to prove a point, imagine all deaths from the year reported in one week as daily deaths.. WOW!

you specifically asked for the 7 day moving average :rollin


Why show daily deaths when it's obvious by the pattern they are not being reported completely on the weekends even though the days are still be counted? Then the numbers are tallied in the following week/s. A 7 day moving average is a better indicator. The chart should be called "daily deaths reported" instead of "daily deaths". It's misleading but for plenty on the left, that's ok since it confirms what you think you already knew.
now that you dont like that the 7 day moving average doesnt change the narrative, you're going full reeee

[spurraider21]

But isn't the flu considered normal deaths per the math wizard RG? I asked how many excess deaths were there in previous years, he said none. I saw no arguments.


There were excess deaths.
yes the flu is factored into the "expected death" models. because the flu is expected

but 2018 ended up being one of the worst flu seasons in decades. hence there were more deaths than expected (aka excess)

[DarrinS]

Good vs shitty masks

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083

[Winehole23]

You don't seem to have a problem ignoring it in certain states, or in other countries you might use to compare the US to. You just seem to want to focus on excess deaths when it suits you. I'm all for proper toting of the ciphers as long as it's across the board. With NY having 25K excess deaths, there was damn near nary a peep about it but shit was all in the bed around Texas' relatively low excess deaths. It's all about scoring political talking points. It has nothing to do with science.You couldn't be more wrong about that. I was the first person in this forum to take Cuomo to task for fucking it up in NY.

Sloppy seconds.

You and DarrinS are laggards.

[Winehole23]

Plus, you're just making shit up at this point.

Why not quit and be happy?

You can't. Pobrecito DMC.

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/785734/story_image/COVID-19_Seniors_MAGA-Martyr_DIE.jpg?1585689587

[tholdren]

yes the flu is factored into the "expected death" models. because the flu is expected

but 2018 ended up being one of the worst flu seasons in decades. hence there were more deaths than expected (aka excess)

lololIo excess deaths and your interpretation

[spurraider21]

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[tholdren]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).
Lloololookokokkkkkkllololooll

Posting how he blocks people.


Karen alert

[Winehole23]

COVID-19 compared to past flu pandemics:


After much back and forth in the early months of the Covid-19 pandemic, a consensus is emerging (https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-deadly-is-covid-19-researchers-are-getting-closer-to-an-answer-11595323801) that the overall risk of dying for those infected with the disease — at least so far, in a population with an age distribution roughly similar to that of the U.S. or Europe — is about 6 or 7 in 1,000. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention upwardly revised its “best estimate” (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#table-1) of the fatality rate in July to 0.65% from 0.26% (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/05/fact-check-cdc-estimates-covid-19-death-rate-0-26/5269331002/). An occasionally updated “meta-analysis” (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.03.20089854v4) by Australian researchers Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz and Lea Merone of all relevant studies on the disease has it at 0.68%.https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-06/revisiting-how-covid-19-ranks-with-seasonal-flu-and-1918-pandemic

[boutons_deux]

US Has Now Seen 200,000 More Deaths Than In Previous Years

More than 200,000 deaths have occurred in the U.S. in 2020 than would have been expected according to trends from previous years,

The figure encompasses all deaths that have occurred since March 15, including the roughly 162,000 found to have died of COVID-19 since the pandemic began in the United States.

But the 200,000 count is more than 50,000 deaths higher than the toll of those who died due to identified cases of COVID-19,

suggesting that far more have passed away either from the illness or from the disruption associated with the pandemic.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/us-now-has-now-seen-200000-more-deaths-than-in-previous-years-cdc-estimates-show


Dead Americans:

Osama bin Laden: about 3000

The Trump-Made Pandemic: 70 times more American deaths

Trash approval: a solid 40%

[tholdren]

More Than 200,000

this is epidemiologists’ and population statisticians’ way of looking at

the total number of fatalities for all causes across society and

comparing it to baseline trends in recent years.

a new report based on CDC-collected data (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/us-now-has-now-seen-200000-more-deaths-than-in-previous-years-cdc-estimates-show) which shows that the US has seen more than 200,000 fatalities normal so far this year.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/more-than-200000?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/more-than-200000?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29)

Doesn't mean what you think it does. You are attributing all excess death to covid. Stop the gossip

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't mean what you think it does. You are attributing all excess death to covid. Stop the gossipWhat does it mean?

Show your numbers or foldren.

[tholdren]

What does it mean?

Show your numbers or foldren.

already have. Use applied stats.

[ChumpDumper]

already have. Use applied stats.f:lolldren folds

Why are you afraid of me?

[tholdren]

f:lolldren folds

Why are you afraid of me?

Your claim because you cant do math, that means I'm afraid?


Hmmmmmmn

[ChumpDumper]

Your claim because you cant do math, that means I'm afraid?


HmmmmmmnYou're afraid to show your math.

You're afraid to show your numbers.

You're afraid of me.

Why are you so afraid?

[tholdren]

You're afraid to show your math.

You're afraid to show your numbers.

You're afraid of me.

Why are you so afraid?

so you cant answer questions about your logic?

[ChumpDumper]

so you cant answer questions about your logic?I'm not afraid of your math.

I'm not afraid of your numbers.

You are.

Post your math.

Post your numbers.

Or foldren.

[tholdren]

I'm not afraid of your math.

I'm not afraid of your numbers.

You are.

Post your math.

Post your numbers.

Or foldren.

I asked you a question and you changed the subject then lied.

Answer the question

[ChumpDumper]

I asked you a question and you changed the subject then lied.

Answer the questionI asked you for your numbers.

You foldrened.

Show your numbers.

[Spurs Homer]

I asked you for your numbers.

You foldrened.

Show your numbers.

lol

he foldred!

[Winehole23]

Nurses and doctors are not so easily replaced.

WTF don't we have a national strategy to get health care workers the PPE they need to fight COVID-19?


As coronavirus cases surge — and dire shortages of lifesaving protective gear like N95 masks, gowns and gloves persist — the nation’s health care workers are again facing life-threatening conditions in Southern and Western states.

Through crowdsourcing and reports from colleagues, social media, online obituaries, workers unions and local media, Lost on the Frontline reporters have identified 922 health care workers who reportedly died of COVID-19 and its complications.https://khn.org/news/exclusive-over-900-health-workers-have-died-of-covid-19-and-the-toll-is-rising/

[Winehole23]

Bad leadership makes public emergencies worse. Treating COVID-19 as if it were a PR problem has turned out to be bad for business too.


The major economies of the euro area have been rebounding from the recession caused by the Covid-19 pandemic (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-coronavirus-cases-world-map/) at a faster pace than the U.S.’s, according to indexes developed by Bloomberg’s economists using high-frequency data such as demand for electricity and usage of public transportation. That’s a departure from a decades-long trend in which the economy of the euro area has largely underperformed that of the U.S. The recent divergence has led to euro gains against the dollar (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-31/world-currencies-revel-in-cruelest-month-for-dollar-since-2010). European stocks are also performing better than American equities. Because the U.S. hasn’t been as successful at controlling the coronavirus spread or protecting jobs and incomes, the recovery is showing signs of stalling (https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/recovery-tracker/) stateside.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-07/the-coronavirus-pandemic-has-the-euro-area-and-u-s-economies-trading-places

[boutons_deux]

"Bad leadership makes public emergencies worse"

euphemistic

muggle leadership make historic public health disasters into historic economic catastrophes.

[RandomGuy]

COVID-19 compared to past flu pandemics:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-08-06/revisiting-how-covid-19-ranks-with-seasonal-flu-and-1918-pandemic

Remarkably close to the .0066 from the earliest study.

Well, now we know.

[RandomGuy]

Florida and Georgia were supposed to be “inevitable”, what happened?


Didn't really talk much about Georgia, to my memory. Welcome to search if you want to get the "w".

Did predict that Florida would take off tho. TSA denying science and simple math in service to his orange god who would literally feed him to the wolves to save himself.

One month later <6-25-20>:
Florida crushes daily coronavirus record by posting over 5,500 new cases in alarming spike
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-florida-posts-new-daily-record-in-coronavirus-case-spike-20200624-vcadawrcwzhwjkqxdznupkp75i-story.html?fbclid=IwAR0nY7sokZbcjjrxnVYSNZyYX6l2n3 8sLSESF7hol-9fKnpKjqjeJWiUKl4


Still no bloodbath in Florida.



216 newly reported Florida coronavirus deaths is second daily record in a row
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-florida-coronavirus-wednesday-july-29-20200729-cuo5tsvjcvhsrmpggsdqmymtsu-story.html

smh

It takes a special kind of stupid to have your political views interfere with the understanding that "deadly disease will kill people"

Like the deadly disease will only kill people when it is convenient for your worldview, or magically not spread because of your worldview.

That is some factless, flawed reasoning, IMO.

Seriously, TSA what did you think was going to happen when states reopened and people stopped taking basic precautions against a communicable disease?

[crickets]


TSA runs the fuck away. Stupid shit.

REALITY 8-12:
Florida and Georgia set new single-day records for coronavirus deaths
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1616032251847/live-updates-florida-and-georgia-set-new-single-day-records-for-coronavirus-related-deaths


Still no coherent plan from your hero and savior.

[tholdren]

[crickets]


TSA runs the fuck away. Stupid shit.

REALITY 8-12:
Florida and Georgia set new single-day records for coronavirus deaths
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1616032251847/live-updates-florida-and-georgia-set-new-single-day-records-for-coronavirus-related-deaths


Still no coherent plan from your hero and savior.
RandomGuy wall of lies.

But he can't do math


So its expected


Maybe not lies. Just ignorance

[tholdren]

[crickets]


TSA runs the fuck away. Stupid shit.

REALITY 8-12:
Florida and Georgia set new single-day records for coronavirus deaths
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1616032251847/live-updates-florida-and-georgia-set-new-single-day-records-for-coronavirus-related-deaths


Still no coherent plan from your hero and savior.
RandomGuy wall of lies.

But he can't do math


So its expected


Maybe not lies. Just ignorance

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So bad at math this is how he tries to hide. Blocking then posting he blocked. Lots of wrong by RandomGuy

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[DMC]

Cliff Notes for this thread thus far

Left: Orange man bad
Right: nuh uh

[tholdren]

So bad at math this is how he tries to hide. Blocking then posting he blocked. Lots of wrong by RandomGuy

lolololol RandomGuy bwahahahaha

[Blake]

Cliff Notes for this thread thus far

Left: covid19 bad
Right: nuh uh

Fify

[Spurtacular]

Fify

Cliff Notes Spurstalk

Blake: I'm a cuckold
Everyone else: :lmao

[Blake]

My Cliff Notes

Everyone that disagrees with me is a cuckold
Everyone else: :rolleyes

[Spurtacular]

You've admitted you're a cuckold, blake.
:lol Trying to make it about me.

[pgardn]

You've admitted you're a cuckold, blake.
:lol Trying to make it about me.

You are rotting from the inside out.
wtf is wrong with you?

Ill help.
My wife loves the blackest slaves.
Hit the timer and tell me when you go rigid.

[ChumpDumper]

You've admitted you're a cuckold, blake.
:lol Trying to make it about me.:lol Trying to make everything about your enemies.

[Spurtacular]

:lol Trying to make everything about your enemies.

Oh, look; derp coming to blake's rescue.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, look; derp coming to blake's rescue.What's to rescue? I'm just saying all you do is make everything about your enemies.

Exactly like you are right now.:tu

[Blake]

Oh, look; derp coming to blake's rescue.

Lol wut? When did you ever "come to my rescue"

[Spurtacular]

Lol wut? When did you ever "come to my rescue"

Never. I let cucks like you perish.

:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Once again Derp turns another thread into a Blake obssession

[Blake]

Once again Derp turns another thread into a Blake obssession

^ Cliff notes, tbh

[DarrinS]

I remember when people would post useful information every once and a while.

I guess we're done with that.

[hater]

I remember when people would post useful information every once and a while.

I guess we're done with that.

Everything there is to know about the virus has been said. By me mostly. Since January

Sure you can start reading medical journals to learn more minutia. Good luck with that.

Now its monkeys from left team vs right team throwing feeces at each other.

[ChumpDumper]

I remember when people would post useful information every once and a while.

I guess we're done with that.Have another drink and watch hater jerk off.

[DarrinS]

Everything there is to know about the virus has been said. By me mostly. Since January

Sure you can start reading medical journals to learn more minutia. Good luck with that.

Now its monkeys from left team vs right team throwing feeces at each other.

Pretty much. Sad

[Pelicans78]

The infections in my hometown haven’t been too deadly. Plus treatments have improved. Death rate not as high as in March/April.

[Winehole23]

Death is just one metric of a pandemic. Morbidity and disabilty are two others.

It's crazy to me that this country doesn't care about keeping cases down.