Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[slick'81]

AMERICA! FCK YEA!

[TimDunkem]

The Republicans are the ones insisting on tying pork to it.

It's almost like people here are ignoring obvious facts to play political football with this shit.

Repugs wanted to focus on corporate bailouts and allowing companies to buyback stocks. The Dems said no, and now the Repugs are using it to say "I told you so" to their base, and here they are eating it up.

[vy65]

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1241864544353275905?s=20

:lmao he didn't even know the appropriate parliamentary procedure until his aide pointed out that he needed to make a motion for reconsideration first

BD is right. If this turkey looking foghorn leghorn sounding cock slobber is leading the congress, we truly are fucked and unfuckable

[boutons_deux]

Arizona officials estimate they have 70,000 undetected cases of COVID-19. As of Monday, they’d only performed 143 tests…

[Nathan89]

:lmao he didn't even know the appropriate parliamentary procedure until his aide pointed out that he needed to make a motion for reconsideration first

BD is right. If this turkey looking foghorn leghorn sounding cock slobber is leading the congress, we truly are fucked and unfuckable

Thanks for two irrelevant paragraphs.

[koriwhat]

Shit's fucked up... everyone stay safe.

[Winehole23]

COVID-19 has already narrowed McConnell's majority, a couple more quarantines could temporarily give Dems more leverage. Rules changes allowing absent Sentors.to vote or Republicans.from 86ing the filibuster could be blocked.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao he didn't even know the appropriate parliamentary procedure until his aide pointed out that he needed to make a motion for reconsideration first

BD is right. If this turkey looking foghorn leghorn sounding cock slobber is leading the congress, we truly are fucked and unfuckable

His Democratic opponent this fall is within 1%. I have been donating to her campaign regularly.

[vy65]

Thanks for two irrelevant paragraphs.

Sorry, couldn't hear you with Mitch McConnell's cock buried in your throat. What'd you say?

[Nathan89]

Arizona officials estimate they have 70,000 undetected cases of COVID-19. As of Monday, they’d only performed 143 tests…

Testing is increasing daily. CDC fucked up and really slowed us down. New York did 10k+ tests on Friday. I think the country overall is barely 20k per day though.

[vy65]

His Democratic opponent this fall is within 1%. I have been donating to her campaign regularly.

You're doing the lord's work

^^ Me saying this, in all sincerity, is clearly a sign the end times are upon us ...

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1241840803040956424?s=20

2nd source hearsay good now

[vy65]

Mitch voted against his own bill :lol

[vy65]

Testing is increasing daily. CDC fucked up and really slowed us down. New York did 10k+ tests on Friday. I think the country overall is barely 20k per day though.

Who's in control of the CDC?

[ElNono]

:lmao he didn't even know the appropriate parliamentary procedure until his aide pointed out that he needed to make a motion for reconsideration first

BD is right. If this turkey looking foghorn leghorn sounding cock slobber is leading the congress, we truly are fucked and unfuckable

tbh, he knows exactly what he's doing, he knew exactly that he didn't have the votes, and he wanted to have his little speech. Pelosi is probably just about the other calculating conniving shit out there.

Just sad it has come to this.

[Blake]

Shit's fucked up... everyone stay safe.

Thanks for the 7 days ago well wishes

[RandomGuy]

Testing is increasing daily. CDC fucked up and really slowed us down. New York did 10k+ tests on Friday. I think the country overall is barely 20k per day though.

Instant campaign commercial. Trump is looking like an idiot in those briefings, and dithered on this, pushing a lie that is going to get people killed.

Sadly the people most likely to be killed by that lie are the kinds of people who think he is doing a good job, i.e. old white people who vote Republican and haven't taken any precautions.

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1241855692815949832?s=20

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1241864544353275905?s=20

We can't even come together during a pandemic. The US splitting apart is becoming even more inevitable.:clapPining for the breakup of the USA, COVID-19 is your friend.

Are.you an accelerationist, Nathan89?

[Reck]

Bad day for the Republicans and Democrsts are the same crowd when even Joe Manchin is going off like this 1241860777260302339

But did you hear about the grenade Pelosi done threw at it?

[vy65]

tbh, he knows exactly what he's doing, he knew exactly that he didn't have the votes, and he wanted to have his little speech. Pelosi is probably just about the other calculating conniving shit out there.

Just sad it has come to this.

As a political maneuver, sure, it very may well have been astute. But you'd expect a career politician to know procedure and not need a fucking hot 20 something blonde to point out that he needs to make a motion ...

[Winehole23]

Who's in control of the CDC?DEEP STATE BUREAUCRATS



(who predicted a shortfall of 60,000.respirators in the case of a bad US flu season, in 2015)

[ElNono]

As a political maneuver, sure, it very may well have been astute. But you'd expect a career politician to know procedure and not need a fucking hot 20 something blonde to point out that he needs to make a motion ...

sure, sure... shit like this:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-07/28/10/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/anigif_sub-buzz-8207-1501252568-1.gif

probably left a mark on Mitch, tbh, that's why it's ridiculous to pretend he'll advance a vote well aware he doesn't have the ability to pass it, other than to do gamesmanship

[Will Hunting]

sure, sure... shit like this:

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-07/28/10/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/anigif_sub-buzz-8207-1501252568-1.gif

probably left a mark on Mitch, tbh, that's why it's ridiculous to pretend he'll advance a vote well aware he doesn't have the ability to pass it, other than to do gamesmanship
McCain will always be a true American hero for that moment.

[ElNono]

OT: if I have on major gripe with media in this emergency is the fact that they all left their paywalls enabled. Information at this time should be readily accessible, IMO. I've seen some, very few, outlets do it.

[Winehole23]

OT: if I have on major gripe with media in this emergency is the fact that they all left their paywalls enabled. Information at this time should be readily accessible, IMO. I've seen some, very few, outlets do it.If news outlets can't afford to drop the paywall, it's worse for them than I thought.

Perhaps it were better for news to be handled on other than a for profit basis, like the Texas Tribune, or Pro-Publica.

[Blake]

OT: if I have on major gripe with media in this emergency is the fact that they all left their paywalls enabled. Information at this time should be readily accessible, IMO. I've seen some, very few, outlets do it.

They need bailout money too

[Mark Celibate]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.

I would legit be somewhat concerned then tbh. 30 is young, but from what I understand smokers are prime targets to develop severe infections if they get it

[Nathan89]

OT: if I have on major gripe with media in this emergency is the fact that they all left their paywalls enabled. Information at this time should be readily accessible, IMO. I've seen some, very few, outlets do it.

I've been hit with so many nyt paywalls.

[hater]

called it
I said by monday wed be 3 rd most infected country

called it :tu

[Spurs Homer]

"All democrats voted no"

Yeah those assholes are really looking out for the common man.:rolleyes

They will play politics right to the bottom. FUCK.

CUE BOUTONS BLAMING IT ON REPUGS.

do you know why? (Of course not)

repukes inserted 500 billion dollars with ZERO protection on how trump and mnuchin use it

in other words - your criminal hero directed moscow mitch to give him a 1/2 trillion dollar blank check


and assholes like you are just fine with it

[Nathan89]

called it
I said by monday wed be 3 rd most infected country

called it :tu

We have 330 million people and we are ramping up testing.

[TimDunkem]

do you know why? (Of course not)

repukes inserted 500 billion dollars with ZERO protection on how trump and mnuchin use it

in other words - your criminal hero directed moscow mitch to give him a 1/2 trillion dollar blank check


and assholes like you are just fine with it

Details don't matter. All that matters is making the other side look bad.

[Blake]

called it
I said by monday wed be 3 rd most infected country

called it :tu

Do you list all your misses too?

[Blake]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.

Dude I'd say you and Darrin are gonna die tomorrow of heart failure.

Good Lord

[florige]

people over 60 are the prime killing ground.

the lower the decade, the milder the symptoms, until almost zero for babies.

BUT

genetics, other health problems, esp immune, smoking/vaping, etc can invite very severe covid-19 symptoms and death at any age.



Sheesh this is crazy.

[hater]

Do you list all your misses too?

yes here they are:

[Blake]

yes here they are:

:lol

[Spurs Homer]

Details don't matter. All that matters is making the other side look bad.

if dems were strong they would not budge and release the bill to the public and let the angry working class respond

[TimDunkem]

if dems were strong they would not budge and release the bill to the public and let the angry working class respond

Well, they have stated the issues that Repugs decided to suddenly introduce into the bill at the last minute last night. The info is out there but - just like info about the virus that has been out there since January- people are just choosing to ignore it.

[Thread]

Details don't matter. All that matters is making the other side look bad.

TD

[Thread]

if dems were strong they would not budge and release the bill to the public and let the angry working class respond

I got no problem with that whatsoever, Homer.

[vy65]

yes here they are:


bernie will sweep tuesday tbqh


Bernie needs to concede tonight tbqh

[Thread]

Okay, we have 32k cases.
We're told at least 80% of all cases are mild & need no hospitalization.
So, we don't have hospital room/bed/gear for 20% of 32k cases?

[midnightpulp]

Okay, we have 32k cases.
We're told at least 80% of all cases are mild & need no hospitalization.
So, we don't have hospital room/bed/gear for 20% of 32k cases?

Our medical system is streamlined to maximize profit. We can't handle a flu and a 3x as strong flu at the same time. These penny-pinching, shareholder appeasing fucks only account for certainty and don't plan for uncertainty because that is "unprofitable."

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/_WilliamsonBen/status/1241862420366270465?s=20

"Dems voted no because of "x" reason".

So why did Pelosi need to chime in to figure out their vote?

[Nathan89]

Our medical system is streamlined to maximize profit. We can't handle a flu and a 3x as strong flu at the same time. These penny-pinching, shareholder appeasing fucks only account for certainty and don't plan for uncertainty because that is "unprofitable."

I hear Italy's medical system is handling things flawlessly.

[midnightpulp]

We have 330 million people and we are ramping up testing.

Hater doesn't do logic, and loves to hype up the worst case scenario because he gets off on it. Here's a rain on his parade:




Death Rate:

4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)
3.69% March 9 (26 of 704)
3.01% March 10 (30 of 994)
2.95% March 11 (38 of 1,295)
2.52% March 12 (42 of 1,695)
2.27% March 13 (49 of 2,247)
1.93% March 14 (57 of 2,954)
1.84% March 15 (68 of 3,680)
1.90% March 16 (86 of 4,503)
1.76% March 17 (109 of 6,196)
1.66% March 18 (150 of 9,003)
1.51% March 19th (208 of 13,789)
1.32% March 20th (256 of 19,383)
1.24% March 22nd (414 of 33546)]

[midnightpulp]

I hear Italy's medical system is handling things flawlessly.

Governments make cuts as well to maximize profits of their own to spend on other bullshit to buy votes. Why no mention of South Korea? 11 beds per every person, despite them being a healthier country overall. We have 2.8 beds per person.

Or are those trillions that could have been used to build hospitals, train medical personnel, and buy supplies better spent on F35s and nation building in Iraq?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1241898508426379265?s=20

:downspin:

[vy65]

H:lolter

[midnightpulp]

H:lolter

And :lol at him patting himself on the back for "calling it." Oh, a cold virus is going infect millions around the world. You don't say. Of course it is. Question what are the actual hospitalization and mortality rates. That's what we want to find out in order to get a clear picture on how our system might be able to deal.

[hater]

Governments make cuts as well to maximize profits of their own to spend on other bullshit to buy votes. Why no mention of South Korea? 11 beds per every person, despite them being a healthier country overall. We have 2.8 beds per person.

Or are those trillions that could have been used to build hospitals, train medical personnel, and buy supplies better spent on F35s and nation building in Iraq?

:lmao

no country is ready for the surge of patients from Corona niga

every single country will be brought to its knees

wake up

[ElNono]

Okay, we have 32k cases.
We're told at least 80% of all cases are mild & need no hospitalization.
So, we don't have hospital room/bed/gear for 20% of 32k cases?

We're up 35.2k right now. We started the day under 30k. Next few weeks will test that question over and over

[hater]

And :lol at him patting himself on the back for "calling it." Oh, a cold virus is going infect millions around the world. You don't say. Of course it is. Question what are the actual hospitalization and mortality rates. That's what we want to find out in order to get a clear picture on how our system might be able to deal.

I called it on January ma niga

meanwhile Dumo and Penis were playing naked tag in the sauna for 2 months. our democrats were jackning off to muh russia fairy tales and the Repugs were purchasing Maga hats :lmao

we were caught with our pants down and gonna take the entire sausage on our insides

I called it

me

[ElNono]

I hear Italy's medical system is handling things flawlessly.

Italy collapsed. So did China and Iran. Thanks to Italy we received a heads up to start isolating and taking shit seriously. We don't want to be the next Italy.

[hater]

everyone knows american made stuff is overpriced garbage

just look at Tesla :lmao

if you want something that works and is priced reasonably you have to go asian tbqh

facts are facts

called this too tbqh

[Winehole23]

Factoid: Santa Clara, County, CA declared a COVID-19 state of emergency on Feb.10th.

[hater]

Italy collapsed. So did China and Iran. Thanks to Italy we received a heads up to start isolating and taking shit seriously. We don't want to be the next Italy.

cosign

sadly UK will make italy look like a saturday at Mortons Steakhouse

and we will soon too if Orangegutan keeps distracting our doctors

[vy65]

And :lol at him patting himself on the back for "calling it." Oh, a cold virus is going infect millions around the world. You don't say. Of course it is. Question what are the actual hospitalization and mortality rates. That's what we want to find out in order to get a clear picture on how our system might be able to deal.

Anyone who chronically makes inaccurate geopolitical predictions on a spurs message board and compulsively congratulates himself on the one of out 500 guesses that was clearly wrong has a clear mental disorder and should be institutionalized.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/travellersexpe1/status/1241934607106351106?s=21

[Nathan89]

I called it on January ma niga

meanwhile Dumo and Penis were playing naked tag in the sauna for 2 months. our democrats were jackning off to muh russia fairy tales and the Repugs were purchasing Maga hats :lmao

we were caught with our pants down and gonna take the entire sausage on our insides

I called it

me

Trump shut travel down and formed a task force in late January early February.

[vy65]

called this too tbqh

And this


bernie will sweep tuesday tbqh


Bernie needs to concede tonight tbqh

[hater]

Trump shut travel down and formed a task force in late January early February.


yup Xi and Putin running circles around Orangegutan :lmao

even ma niga Modi posting Namaste shit while Dump embarrasses himself with his daily briefings

- sanitize masks with liquids
- vaccines in 4 months
- get a 2nd flu shot it will help with Corona
- car dealers will start selling ventilators in a couple weeks
- this will dissapear mayically with positive thinking

:lmao



:lmao

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1241689765134598144?s=20

https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1241690105905065985?s=20

More testing is happening than I expected. I was thinking it was in the 20k-30k range. I read earlier that South Korea was testing 12-15k(could be outdated) per day. Of course we have way more people. We will be testing more than any other country very shortly. 10 days ago we had only test like 12k people total.

[ElNono]

Hopefully Ron Paul who wrote this 6 days ago:

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/

Can go ask his son what the hoax is all about :lol

[DarrinS]

We need an antibody test, to see if we've already been exposed.

[hater]

Hopefully Ron Paul who wrote this 6 days ago:

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/

Can go ask his son what the hoax is all about :lol

RIP ma
dear dr Paul

hes basically TGY these days :(

[DMC]

Our medical system is streamlined to maximize profit. We can't handle a flu and a 3x as strong flu at the same time. These penny-pinching, shareholder appeasing fucks only account for certainty and don't plan for uncertainty because that is "unprofitable."

Shareholders are those who own stocks (there are major shareholders as well). I wouldn't consider appeasing them to be out of the realm of responsibility for corporations, and it doesn't make them evil.

[pgardn]

I called it on January ma niga

meanwhile Dumo and Penis were playing naked tag in the sauna for 2 months. our democrats were jackning off to muh russia fairy tales and the Repugs were purchasing Maga hats :lmao

we were caught with our pants down and gonna take the entire sausage on our insides

I called it

me

So because you don’t believe Russia interfered in our elections, the Democrats did not see the virus coming.
You also don’t believe Assad has ever used gas as a weapon.

And you have no shame in calling it when you backed out on Trump a week before the election. Clinton WILL WIN.
You flip a coin, watch the result, and still call it wrong.
You are AMAZINGLY WRONG.

I call this.

[hater]

only in India. they come out of their quarantines to parade and clap to show gratitude to their medical professionals

:lmao :lmao :lmao


https://twitter.com/amarbutala/status/1241774305245102081?s=20


and these motherfuckers are in charge of our IT??

[ElNono]

More testing is happening than I expected. I was thinking it was in the 20k-30k range. I read earlier that South Korea was testing 12-15k(could be outdated) per day. Of course we have way more people. We will be testing more than any other country very shortly. 10 days ago we had only test like 12k people total.

One would hope. There's been a good number of governors mentioning they're still lacking masks, gowns and tests, and have been having to purchase them from overseas, competing against other States requiring the same.

Hopefully this will be a thing of the past next week.

[DMC]

https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1241689765134598144?s=20

https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1241690105905065985?s=20

More testing is happening than I expected. I was thinking it was in the 20k-30k range. I read earlier that South Korea was testing 12-15k(could be outdated) per day. Of course we have way more people. We will be testing more than any other country very shortly. 10 days ago we had only test like 12k people total.

The testing part is about to get real. Remember, we are still mostly on a 5 day work week. When we go full bore, that will be out the window. If we never get there, we are doing just fine.

[Nathan89]

We need an antibody test, to see if we've already been exposed.

I want to see how effectively treating people with the antibodies of the recovered will be. That test becomes even more important if that's the game plan.

[MannyIsGod]

Frankly I can't think of a worse person who could be in charge right now. Pence sounds so much better when he's at the podium than Trump. Its not even close. And nevermind the tweets he's sending out tonight. I thought Bush 2 was the lowest we'd ever go. I couldn't have been more wrong. I'd kill to have Bush 2 back.

[Nathan89]

only in India. they come out of their quarantines to parade and clap to show gratitude to their medical professionals

:lmao :lmao :lmao


https://twitter.com/amarbutala/status/1241774305245102081?s=20


and these motherfuckers are in charge of our IT??

India doesn't really have an option beyond a fast burn anyways tbh.

[TeyshaBlue]

called it
I said by monday wed be 3 rd most infected country

called it :tu

Im going to have two cups of coffee tomorrow morning.

Called it.

[ElNono]

Frankly I can't think of a worse person who could be in charge right now. Pence sounds so much better when he's at the podium than Trump. Its not even close. And nevermind the tweets he's sending out tonight. I thought Bush 2 was the lowest we'd ever go. I couldn't have been more wrong. I'd kill to have Bush 2 back.

I think somebody like Louie Gohmert, or even Rand Paul would be worse. Trump is petty and slow, it took him like 3 weeks to come to terms, but eventually did. Never underestimate the capability of some people to triple down on stupid.

[midnightpulp]

Shareholders are those who own stocks (there are major shareholders as well). I wouldn't consider appeasing them to be out of the realm of responsibility for corporations, and it doesn't make them evil.

My feeling on this is that we frame this debate (free market vs. "socialism") as an all-or-nothing scenario, in believing that either system will work the best across the entire economic and social landscape. Personally, I believe some industries, like healthcare, are incompatible with the profit motive. A healthcare corporation's number 1 priority should be saving lives, not making their shareholders happy. I think certain industries that might have deleterious effects on society if they're allowed to performed unregulated need a different set regulations than industries and business that don't, e.g. a chemical company should be more regulated than a donut shop. Boiled down, a mixed approach works best rather than capitalism for everything or socialism for everything, which we have to some extent, but I think there's need to be adjustment.

We obviously intuitively feel there's industries that shouldn't be private, like defense and law enforcement, but for some reason, we collectively don't think the same for healthcare. Not sure why.

[Winehole23]

Frankly I can't think of a worse person who could be in charge right now. Pence sounds so much better when he's at the podium than Trump. Its not even close. And nevermind the tweets he's sending out tonight. I thought Bush 2 was the lowest we'd ever go. I couldn't have been more wrong. I'd kill to have Bush 2 back.Trump didn't kill 100s of thousands and displace millions from their homes in Iraq based on a lie, but I know what you mean.

His leadership in this as in so much else has been abysmal.

[vy65]

One would hope. There's been a good number of governors mentioning they're still lacking masks, gowns and tests, and have been having to purchase them from overseas, competing against other States requiring the same.

Hopefully this will be a thing of the past next week.

Bro. States competing against each other is how the system is set up. That’s federalism.

[pgardn]

My feeling on this is that we frame this debate (free market vs. "socialism") as an all-or-nothing scenario, in believing that either system will work the best across the entire economic and social landscape. Personally, I believe some industries, like healthcare, are incompatible with the profit motive. A healthcare corporation's number 1 priority should be saving lives, not making their shareholders happy. I think certain industries that might have deleterious effects on society if they're allowed to performed unregulated need a different set regulations than industries and business that don't, e.g. a chemical company should be more regulated than a donut shop. Boiled down, a mixed approach works best rather than capitalism for everything or socialism for everything, which we have to some extent, but I think there's need to be adjustment.

We obviously intuitively feel there's industries that shouldn't be private, like defense and law enforcement, but for some reason, we collectively don't think the same for healthcare. Not sure why.

Imo because we have the best and worst healthcare among Western countries. We are leaders in biological science and research on the whole. No other country comes close. We have figured out some of the most difficult genetic and transmissible disease disorders. But basic stuff, it depends how much $ you make.

[MannyIsGod]

I think somebody like Louie Gohmert, or even Rand Paul would be worse. Trump is petty and slow, it took him like 3 weeks to come to terms, but eventually did. Never underestimate the capability of some people to triple down on stupid.

You think he's come to terms?

[MannyIsGod]

Trump didn't kill 100s of thousands and displace millions from their homes in Iraq based on a lie, but I know what you mean.

His leadership in this as in so much else has been abysmal.

Yeah Iraq was horrible, but Bush is at least capable of empathy. I believe if Bush could go back and do things differently he would. Trump would just double down on his 10 out of 10 performance. Its honestly terrifying.

[ElNono]

Bro. States competing against each other is how the system is set up. That’s federalism.

That's cool, but not in an emergency.

[Winehole23]

Bro. States competing against each other is how the system is set up. That’s federalism.The federal government is the superior sovereign and can override the states in an emergency. That's federalism too.

[MannyIsGod]

Imo because we have the best and worst healthcare among Western countries. We are leaders in biological science and research on the whole. No other country comes close. We have figured out some of the most difficult genetic and transmissible disease disorders. But basic stuff, it depends how much $ you make.

We have great research but we in no way shape or form have the best healthcare. You can pick whatever metric you want to show that, and none of them show the United States as the best. I just don't know how you would make this argument and back it up in anyway.

[ElNono]

You think he's come to terms?

I think he understands the seriousness of the situation. Took him 3 weeks, but I think he's there. He'll still say all sorts of banal and stupid things, because that's who he is. And sure, if you're looking for leadership and inspiration, you probably have to look somewhere else.

But he'll sign the bills when they get to his desk, that's gigantic progress right now.

[MannyIsGod]

Bro. States competing against each other is how the system is set up. That’s federalism.

During a regular situation sure. In a national emergency? No.

I can't think of a single comparable situation where the states would have to lead the way.

[MannyIsGod]

I think he understands the seriousness of the situation. Took him 3 weeks, but I think he's there. He'll still say all sorts of banal and stupid things, because that's who he is. And sure, if you're looking for leadership and inspiration, you probably have to look somewhere else.

But he'll sign the bills when they get to his desk, that's gigantic progress right now.

I do not think he understands the seriousness of the situation. If he did, he wouldn't have spent the press conference today talking about how no one ever thanked him.

Sorry, I can't reconcile those two things.

[ElNono]

I do not think he understands the seriousness of the situation. If he did, he wouldn't have spent the press conference today talking about how no one ever thanked him.

Sorry, I can't reconcile those two things.

Let's just say that he at least won't be an obstacle once Congress get their shit together. He approved California major disaster classification today at the request of the California governor.

At this point, and considering his track record of retardedness, this is huge progress.

[vy65]

That's cool, but not in an emergency.

Bro, why do you hate this country?

[vy65]

During a regular situation sure. In a national emergency? No.

I can't think of a single comparable situation where the states would have to lead the way.


The federal government is the superior sovereign and can override the states in an emergency. That's federalism too.

My sarcasm was a little too subtle

[ElNono]

Bro, why do you hate this country?

Bro, I seemingly love this country more than some of the folks that were born here, tbh... true story.

[MannyIsGod]

My sarcasm was a little too subtle

Gotcha. My bad.

[Winehole23]

My sarcasm was a little too subtleWhen federal measures fail to prevent the inevitable carnage, the states will be blamed.

[DMC]

My feeling on this is that we frame this debate (free market vs. "socialism") as an all-or-nothing scenario, in believing that either system will work the best across the entire economic and social landscape. Personally, I believe some industries, like healthcare, are incompatible with the profit motive. A healthcare corporation's number 1 priority should be saving lives, not making their shareholders happy. I think certain industries that might have deleterious effects on society if they're allowed to performed unregulated need a different set regulations than industries and business that don't, e.g. a chemical company should be more regulated than a donut shop. Boiled down, a mixed approach works best rather than capitalism for everything or socialism for everything, which we have to some extent, but I think there's need to be adjustment.

We obviously intuitively feel there's industries that shouldn't be private, like defense and law enforcement, but for some reason, we collectively don't think the same for healthcare. Not sure why.

Because the 1st two are roles, the 3rd is a service. Imagine the LE was run by multiple organizations, each bidding for contracts. Let one of their officers shoot an unarmed person. That wouldn't just lead to someone being relieved of duty - it would lead to loss of contract for the entire company. Stretch that to the military as well. What private company could spend enough to outfit carriers, air forces and land forces in hopes of landing a contract? Meanwhile, there are doctors who can open private practices without needing 400 billion as a down payment. Sure it's something we have to have to survive, but so is food. Should grocers be federally run? What about housing? Should that also be owned by the feds so everyone has the same house and there are no private builders?

[DMC]

When federal measures fail to prevent the inevitable carnage, the states will be blamed.

More panic lingo

[Winehole23]

More panic lingoThe economic carnage is already happening.

Look at what's happening to sick people in Italy and Spain.

NY and Seattle aren't far behind.

[DMC]

The economic carnage is already happening.

Look at what's happening to sick people in Italy and Spain.

NY and Seattle aren't far behind.

People die every day and have since people have lived. Are you calling the seasonal flu results "inevitable carnage"?

You sensationalize it for whatever reason, perhaps you have a doomsday, Alex Jones type outlook on life.

[Blake]

RIP ma
dear dr Paul

hes basically TGY these days :(

.. Just walking around his house, mumbling something about ending the Fed

[Winehole23]

People die every day and have since people have lived. Are you calling the seasonal flu results "inevitable carnage"?

You sensationalize it for whatever reason, perhaps you have a doomsday, Alex Jones type outlook on life.You seem to pride yourself on knowing what anonymous posters are really like. It's adorable


I have a special file for free paychoanalysis from strangers.

[Winehole23]

People die everyday, why was WWI such a big deal anyway?

[Blake]

People die every day and have since people have lived. Are you calling the seasonal flu results "inevitable carnage"?

You sensationalize it for whatever reason, perhaps you have a doomsday, Alex Jones type outlook on life.

What's your proposal for society right now?

[ElNono]

Because the 1st two are roles, the 3rd is a service. Imagine the LE was run by multiple organizations, each bidding for contracts. Let one of their officers shoot an unarmed person. That wouldn't just lead to someone being relieved of duty - it would lead to loss of contract for the entire company. Stretch that to the military as well. What private company could spend enough to outfit carriers, air forces and land forces in hopes of landing a contract? Meanwhile, there are doctors who can open private practices without needing 400 billion as a down payment. Sure it's something we have to have to survive, but so is food. Should grocers be federally run? What about housing? Should that also be owned by the feds so everyone has the same house and there are no private builders?

Not really, no. All 3 are services. Both our LEO and Defense are professionalized, they're jobs and they get paid for what they do. Yeah, they have a mission that goes beyond money making, that's primarily why they're run by the government (although contract defense companies and private security are both a thing). When we used to have a draft and we forced kids to go to war, that was role.

[ElNono]

But sure, how far do you want to take the 'higher than money making' missions, and is healthcare one of them. Fair question.

[pgardn]

We have great research but we in no way shape or form have the best healthcare. You can pick whatever metric you want to show that, and none of them show the United States as the best. I just don't know how you would make this argument and back it up in anyway.

Because we can cure special folks that have very special disorders.
But I’m not ready to defend our entire healthcare system because the basics are way more prevalent.
We still have an unusually large % Of our pop that does not understand basic preventative hygiene.

But as I reread my post I see I did give that impression. I should have said this is the way some feel because they had a very tricky disorder fixed here and only here. It is rewarding. But the mundane old flu still and dehydration still kicks our butt. People don’t even know basic hydration of their infants. On and on... basic stuff is boring, but highly prevalent.

[DarrinS]

Never bet against America.

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1241898508426379265?s=20

:downspin:

A massive corporation has issues with not getting free money? I'm shocked.

Nathan, what was going to be your cut from the pie if this passed?

[Isitjustme?]

But did you hear about the grenade Pelosi done threw at it?

No, what happened?

[Reck]

No, what happened?

Nothing I'm just mocking Nathan's tweet post.


https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1241840803040956424?s=20

[phxspurfan]

People die everyday, why was WWI such a big deal anyway?

It was the first time people shot at each other with pistols, from planes

[midnightpulp]

Because the 1st two are roles, the 3rd is a service. Imagine the LE was run by multiple organizations, each bidding for contracts. Let one of their officers shoot an unarmed person. That wouldn't just lead to someone being relieved of duty - it would lead to loss of contract for the entire company. Stretch that to the military as well. What private company could spend enough to outfit carriers, air forces and land forces in hopes of landing a contract? Meanwhile, there are doctors who can open private practices without needing 400 billion as a down payment. Sure it's something we have to have to survive, but so is food. Should grocers be federally run? What about housing? Should that also be owned by the feds so everyone has the same house and there are no private builders?

Some Libertarians actually believe privatized law enforcement would be more efficient and accountable because the profit motive would demand them to be.

The last sentence is engaging in a bit of that all-or-nothing thinking. Just because this one thing should be federally run, doesn't mean everything should be federally run. Also, I don't see any reason why privatized healthcare and universal healthcare can't co-exist? (how it is in Germany). Same way you can buy a gun and hire a bodyguard to protect you or have the police protect you, or use both.

And I would argue that grocers should be federally run if they're a shitshow and are constantly running low on supplies and overcharging for the quality of their goods and services (relating this the healthcare/insurance industry jacking up prices on things like walkers).

[ElNono]

Inside the COVID-Denialist Internet Bubble

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/22/inside-fringe-internet-coronavirus-bubble-142960

^ hilarious/sad read, tbh...

[boutons_deux]

OT: if I have on major gripe with media in this emergency is the fact that they all left their paywalls enabled. Information at this time should be readily accessible, IMO. I've seen some, very few, outlets do it.

NYT, wapo, FT, afaics, have exempted their pandemic articles from paywall

[ElNono]

NYT, wapo, FT, afaics, have exempted their pandemic articles from paywall

At least with the NYT, you still need to create an account and give up your info. No thanks.

[ElNono]

LATimes still has the paywall.

EDIT: same for Financial Times. Just clicked on their article on the stimulus, got rewarded with a menu of paywall options.

[picnroll]

Why this Nobel laureate predicts a quicker coronavirus recovery: 'We're going to be fine'

https://news.yahoo.com/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.html

[boutons_deux]

Why this Nobel laureate predicts a quicker coronavirus recovery: 'We're going to be fine'

https://news.yahoo.com/why-nobel-laureate-predicts-quicker-210318391.html

China ENFORCED "stay at home" with cops, military, drones. Not gonna happen in other countries, esp not US of A! Freedom!

China is NOT an instructive example, except for Trash who echoed China's suppression of and lying about the crisis.

USA can't even test, only a few states have stay-at-home mandates

The more USA tests, the more infections it finds.

[FrostKing]

China ENFORCED "stay at home" with cops, military, drones. Not gonna happen in other countries, esp not US of A! Freedom!

China is NOT an instructive example, except for Trash who echoed China's suppression of and lying about the crisis.

USA can't even test, only a few states have stay-at-home mandates

The more USA tests, the more infections it finds.
Until you can prove to me the Bat soup has been X'd. No more shielding for the Chinaman

[Reck]

At least with the NYT, you still need to create an account and give up your info. No thanks.

The good old times when all you needed to do was turn your browser to incognito. :lol

[Reck]

Germany is reporting lots of deaths now.

[Winehole23]

Never bet against America.
Nathan89 is.

Anyone who's wants to cure profits before people is too.

[Reck]

1241935285916782593

Any Trump decoders out there tonight?

[Winehole23]

1241935285916782593

Any Trump decoders out there tonight?Trump's willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of Americans for Wall Street profits and for his perceived electoral prospects.

He's freaking out, when all he has to do is act soothing and follow the advice of people who know better than him.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's not just Wall Street winehole. We are gonna be looking at massive economy disruptions. Maybe even great depression level despair. My initial optomism is long gone. This IS a war and like a war, there will be losses. The safest plan with the least loss of life to covid19 would probably be nationwide shelter in place for six to nine months. The tradeoff would be the total destruction of the world economy. There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing. As an individual you always have the option of staying home.

[Winehole23]

It's not just Wall Street winehole. We are gonna be looking at massive economy disruptions. Maybe even great depression level despair. My initial optomism is long gone. This IS a war and like a war, there will be losses. The safest plan with the least loss of life to covid19 would probably be nationwide shelter in place for six to nine months. The tradeoff would be the total destruction of the world economy. There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing. As an individual you always have the option of staying home.Trump seems to think 15 days is all we can afford to protect human life. If that's really the case maybe the world economy should be destroyed and reconstructed to serve people before property and profits.

[picnroll]

From the Washington Post

Fauci gets frank about Trump: ‘I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down’

Amid the ongoing global coronavirus pandemic, Anthony S. Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been charged with a herculean task: trying to keep President Trump’s public statements about the novel virus rooted in fact.

Now it appears that Fauci’s frustration is showing.
When asked Sunday by Science magazine’s Jon Cohen about having to stand in front of the nation as “the representative of truth and facts” when “things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual,” the 79-year-old said there is only so much he can do to keep Trump on message.
“I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down,” Fauci said. “OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time.”

Anthony Fauci was ready for this. America was not.
The frank comment was just one line of a lengthy Q&A published Sunday night in which Fauci shed light on his relationship with Trump, how the pair handle their differences and what happens before each coronavirus task force news conference.
On more than one occasion, Fauci, described by The Washington Post’s Ellen McCarthy and Ben Terris as “the grandfatherly captain of the corona#virus crisis,” has had to publicly contradict the president — a risky action that could conceivably jeopardize the scientist’s job.

Fauci acknowledged as much on Sunday.
“To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired,” he told Cohen, laughing.

Though he and Trump sometimes disagree, Fauci said the president does listen to him “on substantive issues.” But they stray when it comes to Trump’s delivery of the critical messages.
“It is expressed in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject,” he said.

Cohen pressed him on Trump making statements that don’t “comport with facts.”
“I know, but what do you want me to do?,” Fauci responded. “I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?”

He went on to provide a behind-the-scenes look at how the task force advises Trump ahead of his daily news conferences.
“We sit down for an hour and a half, go over all the issues on the agenda,” Fauci said, adding that the group also discusses what they want to emphasize to the public that day before meeting with Trump.

“Then we go in to see the president, we present [our consensus] to him and somebody writes a speech,” he explained. “Then he gets up and ad libs on his speech. And then we’re up there to try and answer questions.”
Fauci made his displeasure with Trump’s ad libs clear at Friday’s news conference when he was seen covering his face in apparent exasperation after the president made reference to the “Deep State Department,” a conspiracy theory.
Asked if he was criticized for the gesture, Fauci said “no comment.”

The scientist also took issue with Trump’s decision to continue shaking people’s hands at public events and the lack of physical separation at the daily news conferences.

While Fauci credited Vice President Pence with keeping people apart during task force meetings, the situation onstage in the press briefing room “is a bit more problematic.”

“I keep saying, is there any way we can get a virtual press conference,” he said. “Thus far, no. But when you’re dealing with the White House, sometimes you have to say things 1,2,3,4 times, and then it happens. So I’m going to keep pushing.”

[CosmicCowboy]

It's not just Wall Street winehole. We are gonna be looking at massive economy disruptions. Maybe even great depression level despair. My initial optomism is long gone. This IS a war and like a war, there will be losses. The safest plan with the least loss of life to covid19 would probably be nationwide shelter in place for six to nine months. The tradeoff would be the total destruction of the world economy. There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing. As an individual you always have the option of staying home.

Personally I think two week plans make sense at this time. That's about as far ahead as we can predict with this shit. I didnt interpret that to mean " life back to normal" after two weeks.

[Reck]

CC: We’re fucked. We need to shelter in place for 6 to 9 months

Also CC: Well yeah Trump’s right, two weeks is fine.

:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

CC: We’re fucked. We need to shelter in place for 6 to 9 months

Also CC: Well yeah Trump’s right, two weeks is fine.

:lol

Your stupid is showing. There is no way we can shelter in place for 9 months. Re-evaluating every two weeks (or some other arbitrary time frqme) on a compromise solution based on the facts at the time is logical to me.

[Reck]

So we agree then, you’re the stupid one who contradicted himself within a minute here.

[picnroll]

Loan kiter/Reality TV host/ President of the United States constantly sending out messages that will fuck America in big ways and small ways.

[CosmicCowboy]

So we agree then, you’re the stupid one who contradicted himself within a minute here.

No we agree you are the stupid one with poor reading comprehension. In my original post I said we couldn't afford to shelter in place for 9 months.

[CosmicCowboy]

Loan kiter/Reality TV host/ President of the United States constantly sending out messages that will fuck America in big ways and small ways.

We can all agree Trumps ad libs are fucking dumb, but anyone stupid enough to only make decisions on what Trump says deserves to die.

[Reck]

It's not just Wall Street winehole. We are gonna be looking at massive economy disruptions. Maybe even great depression level despair. My initial optomism is long gone. This IS a war and like a war, there will be losses. The safest plan with the least loss of life to covid19 would probably be nationwide shelter in place for six to nine months. The tradeoff would be the total destruction of the world economy. There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing. As an individual you always have the option of staying home.


No we agree you are the stupid one with poor reading comprehension. In my original post I said we couldn't afford to shelter in place for 9 months.

Ok then, stupid.

[boutons_deux]

I saw one article by a finance type / economist, whose idea was that covid-19 purging America of unproductive old people (iow, not slaving away in shit jobs to produce more wealth for Capitalists) was "a good thing".

I bet he is not alone in BigFinance/Capitalist crowd with that idea.

[boutons_deux]

Dr. Fauci Reports That Alcohol May Help People Survive Coronavirus Briefings

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5e77870a846d6b0008eb60ad/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Borowitz-FauciBriefings.jpg

WASHINGTON —Calling it a “promising development,” Dr. Anthony Fauci said on Sunday that alcohol may help people survive the most severe effects of coronavirus briefings.

Noting that millions of Americans have been exposed to the daily briefings of the White House Coronavirus Task Force,

Fauci said that he had

voluntarily submitted to a preliminary trial of the alcohol-based therapy.

“What we have found is that

a single dosage before the briefing and

as much as a double dosage after the briefing

do much to alleviate the most acute suffering,” Fauci said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dr-fauci-reports-that-alcohol-may-help-people-survive-coronavirus-briefings (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dr-fauci-reports-that-alcohol-may-help-people-survive-coronavirus-briefings)

[picnroll]

China ENFORCED "stay at home" with cops, military, drones. Not gonna happen in other countries, esp not US of A! Freedom!

China is NOT an instructive example, except for Trash who echoed China's suppression of and lying about the crisis.

USA can't even test, only a few states have stay-at-home mandates

The more USA tests, the more infections it finds.

Way I see it with the timeline to be determined possibly this authors.
We begin to see a lot more deaths with increasing numbers algorithmically.
We begin seeing a lot more COVID19 positive cases algorithmically based on increased spread and massively increased testing.
Testing is going to increase massively and rapid this I know for an absolute fact based on rapid testing available on platforms used in many labs including Quest, Labcorp, and many other labs
Morbidity and mortality percentages drop significantly because of increased detection of mild and eventually symptom negative cases with exposure.
Socially isolation/ social isolation/lock down begins to drop the rate of infection.
Engineering and manufacturing efforts and recovery or death of critical patients begins to alleviate healthcare situation
Antibody testing identifies immune people including critical workers who can be targeted in high risk situations. Already the ELISA test available on a limited but expanding scale and likely more automated testing will come into play.
Greater availability of immune testing gives greater understanding of disease and risk free population
At risk population continues to self isolate with social activity at their own risk at least with a more manageable health care situation
or
Treatments wether standard/antiviral/antibody/whatever allow social activity reduces risk to a reasonable level for at risk patients
Vaccine is developed

[boutons_deux]

"Socially isolation/ social isolation/lock down begins to drop the rate of infection."

what about the 40%+ of Repugs who don't consider the virus worth worrying about and so think self-isolating is pointless ?

and the red/slave states that don't issue stay-at-home mandates, and are majority Repugs?

what if infection doesn't create immunity, or no lasting immunity against re-infection? that means a vaccine is worthless

[SnakeBoy]

Trump seems to think 15 days is all we can afford to protect human life. If that's really the case maybe the world economy should be destroyed and reconstructed to serve people before property and profits.

Sorry bout Bernie

[picnroll]

"Socially isolation/ social isolation/lock down begins to drop the rate of infection."

what about the 40%+ of Repugs who don't consider the virus worth worrying about and so think self-isolating is pointless ?

and the red/slave states that don't issue stay-at-home mandates, and are majority Repugs?

what if infection doesn't create immunity, or no lasting immunity against re-infection? that means a vaccine is worthless








If repugs are too stupid it’s just Darwin at work.

Immunity question to be resolved but prior coronavirus infection have had persistent antibody levels for at least 2-3 years and all likelihood memory cells conferring lifetime immunity. Reported cases of relapse are regarded as very highly questionable. But yes to be determined but we’ll know pretty soon.

[picnroll]

Italian virologist says political correctness doomed his country's coronavirus response

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2020/03/22/italy_political_correctness_china_coronavirus/amp

[Trainwreck2100]

It's not just Wall Street winehole. We are gonna be looking at massive economy disruptions. Maybe even great depression level despair. My initial optomism is long gone. This IS a war and like a war, there will be losses. The safest plan with the least loss of life to covid19 would probably be nationwide shelter in place for six to nine months. The tradeoff would be the total destruction of the world economy. There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing. As an individual you always have the option of staying home.

:lol what a crock of shit

[hater]

Im going to have two cups of coffee tomorrow morning.

Called it.

Mon Egro :tu

[hater]

Bro, I seemingly love this country more than some of the folks that were born here, tbh... true story.

same here maniga

[hater]

Your stupid is showing. There is no way we can shelter in place for 9 months. Re-evaluating every two weeks (or some other arbitrary time frqme) on a compromise solution based on the facts at the time is logical to me.

at this point theres no way in hell we are ceasing any quarantine until at very least 2 months from now

the 2 week bullshit is mere snake oil sales by Orangegutan

maybe we can hope in 2 months well have a better plan. maybe have cycles of quarantine/non quarantine to slowly ease ourselves into getting the virus rather than all at once.

but at this moment we have not even a semblance of a long term plan

[Trainwreck2100]

at this point theres no way in hell we are ceasing any quarantine until at very least 2 months from now

the 2 week bullshit is mere snake oil sales by Orangegutan

maybe we can hope in 2 months well have a better plan. maybe have cycles of quarantine/non quarantine to slowly ease ourselves into getting the virus rather than all at once.

but at this moment we have not even a semblance of a long term plan

I assumed 2 months as well, gets us to summer and that's all we could realistically expect, he's talking two weeks but we'll see how this week goes.

[CosmicCowboy]

Ok then, stupid.

read the rest of the paragraph you fucking idiot.

There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing.

[CosmicCowboy]

"Socially isolation/ social isolation/lock down begins to drop the rate of infection."

what about the 40%+ of Repugs who don't consider the virus worth worrying about and so think self-isolating is pointless ?

and the red/slave states that don't issue stay-at-home mandates, and are majority Repugs?

what if infection doesn't create immunity, or no lasting immunity against re-infection? that means a vaccine is worthless








You are so fucking stupid. Were all those kids on spring break at South Padre republicans?

[hater]

I assumed 2 months as well, gets us to summer and that's all we could realistically expect, he's talking two weeks but we'll see how this week goes.

Orangegutans have no semblance of time hes just throwing feeces at the wall and hoping something sticks

time to quarantine the ape

[hater]

to all the TrumpRangutan bashers... at least we dont have BoJo as leader :lmao

https://twitter.com/chunkymark/status/1241313715665985536?s=21

[Monostradamus]

https://i.ibb.co/5GD87SR/8-B6-FD4-E6-D3-FB-440-A-9974-44-B9-DEDFF4-FB.jpg

[Splits]

1242050290452434945

[Spurminator]

You are so fucking stupid. Were all those kids on spring break at South Padre republicans?

White douchebags celebrating individual self destructive freedoms while shunning science? Pretty good chance.

[hater]

Israel Corona infections spike to 1,200

entire country is shut down

Israeli president reads bedtime stories to all Israeli kids on live tv

[picnroll]

Trump Weighs Easing Stay-at-Home Advice to Curb Economic Rout

From Bloomberg
President Donald Trump began talking privately late last week about reopening the nation, despite the swiftly rising number of coronavirus cases and against the advice of health professionals, because he’s worried about the economic damage from an extended shutdown, according to people familiar with his thinking.

The shortage of testing kits has made it difficult to assess the full spread of the virus, but Trump and a contingent of his aides, including Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, want to ensure that the economic damage from a nationwide “social distancing” campaign doesn’t outweigh the potential toll from the virus itself, the people said.

“WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!” Trump tweeted late Sunday.

The president started talking about how to get people back to work around Thursday, two of the people said, only three days after he helped roll out a 15-day plan from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to stem the rise of cases by encouraging most people to stay at home. That campaign would end about March 31.

The discussions centered on what to do after the 15-day period ends, and how to test and isolate everyone who’s sick so healthy people can return to work. It’s likely the CDC guidelines would be relaxed rather than scrapped altogether, one person said.

The government’s top health authorities have warned that in the absence of any viable medical treatment, sustained and economically painful restrictions on daily life are the only way to beat the virus. This group is led by Deborah Birx, the State Department doctor tapped to advise Vice President Mike Pence on the government’s response to the outbreak, and Anthony Fauci, the influential director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The economy is reeling as cases rise and the death toll mounts. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter, along with a 50% drop in gross domestic product. Morgan Stanley said Sunday it expects the U.S. economy to plummet 30% in the second quarter.

There had been more than 35,000 cases of the disease in the U.S. by Monday and more than 400 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Social distancing didn’t begin with Trump’s guidelines and won’t necessarily end if he lifts them, as governors and municipal leaders have the power to issue “shelter in place” and other orders limiting daily life in virus-ravaged parts of the country. But the president has considerable power to influence Americans’ behavior by the tone he sets at what has become daily, televised White House news conferences.

“We’ll get a pretty good idea what we’re doing” at the end of his “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign on March 31, Trump said Sunday. “You know there will be a point at which we say: ‘We’re back in business, let’s go.”

Some of the debate over how rapidly Americans should return to work is beginning to play out in public.

Former Goldman Sachs Inc. Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein said in a tweet Sunday night that “within a very few weeks” people at “lower risk to the disease” should return to work.
“Is it time to start discussing the need for a date when the economy can turn back on?” Trump’s former economic adviser, Gary Cohn, tweeted on Sunday. “Businesses need clarity. Otherwise they will assume the worst and make decisions to survive.”

But another former senior aide to Trump, Steve Bannon, said the president should take even stronger measures to limit Americans’ social interactions over the next two weeks in order to snuff out the virus -- or risk irreversible economic damage.

“We’re going to have to take the pain up-front. We’re going to have to shut it all down,” Bannon said on Fox News on Sunday. “Drop the hammer today on the virus.”

Trump said Sunday he’d seen both comments. “They are not mutually exclusive, they sort of inter-mesh,” he said of Cohn and Bannon. Bannon wants “just a brutal shutdown, and then open up a little bit faster. So you know, there’s that fine line.”

Late Sunday and into Monday morning Trump began retweeting supporters expressing exasperation with social distancing efforts.

[picnroll]

Time for Hannity and the boys and girls to shift stance again. Wonder how that’s going to play with the senior repugs who are dropping like flies.

[Monostradamus]

White douchebags celebrating individual self destructive freedoms while shunning science? Pretty good chance.
I’m gonna throw out a wild guess that there were a few sideways MAGA hats being worn on those beaches :lol

[Reck]

read the rest of the paragraph you fucking idiot.

There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing.

Goalpost moving detected.

First you claim you said something you clearly didn’t and now you’re changing the subject to no no what I meant is compromise. :lol dumb Republican

Makes a post talking about one thing then sees Trump’s tweet and goes in defense mode.

[Reck]

You are so fucking stupid. Were all those kids on spring break at South Padre republicans?

Everyone is stupid this morning according to mustache man. :lol meltdown

[CosmicCowboy]

Goalpost moving detected.

First you claim you said something you clearly didn’t and now you’re changing the subject to no no what I meant is compromise. :lol dumb Republican

Makes a post talking about one thing then sees Trump’s tweet and goes in defense mode.

Damn you are an idiot. It was ALL in the original post you were too stupid to read.

It's not just Wall Street winehole. We are gonna be looking at massive economy disruptions. Maybe even great depression level despair. My initial optomism is long gone. This IS a war and like a war, there will be losses. The safest plan with the least loss of life to covid19 would probably be nationwide shelter in place for six to nine months. The tradeoff would be the total destruction of the world economy. There will ultimately be a compromise between total safety and trying to keep the world economy from self destructing. As an individual you always have the option of staying home.

[Reck]

So when you said your optimism was gone and this was like war and that the safest plan is to shelter for 6 to 9 months was just an imaginary post? :lol

Nowhere in there is the word “shouldn’t” either. :lol you’re having a bad morning.

[hater]

As an individual you always have the option of staying home.

most average americans dont have that option as they have to eat and feed their families

[picnroll]

If you've lost your sense of smell or taste, you could be a 'hidden carrier' of the coronavirus
Business Insider article
Adam Bienkov Mar 22, 2020, 6:45 AM

A sudden loss of smell — known as anosmia or hyposmia — could be a symptom of the coronavirus, even if patients experience no other symptoms, according to leading rhinologists in the UK.

Evidence from South Korea, China, and Italy suggests that many patients with COVID-19 may have experienced a loss of smell without any other symptoms.

The British Association of Otorhinolaryngology calls on the authorities to advise anyone with a loss of smell or taste to self-isolate.

Young people could be more likely to carry the disease without presenting the more commonly recognised symptoms of fever and coughing, they believe.

This was discussed on this forum related to baseline bum.
I guess just like with vampires hanging garlic around your neck could save you from coronavirus. If they can’t smell it run.

[CosmicCowboy]

most average americans dont have that option as they have to eat and feed their families

nationwide shelter in place would have the exact same result except it wouldn't be by your choice.

[hater]

nationwide shelter in place would have the exact same result except it wouldn't be by your choice.

nope. shelter in place would need to include help for out of work quarantiners(food/money)

also it would have the benefit of reducing spread


those 2 would be absent in your scenario

[CosmicCowboy]

So when you said your optimism was gone and this was like war and that the safest plan is to shelter for 6 to 9 months was just an imaginary post? :lol

Nowhere in there is the word “shouldn’t” either. :lol you’re having a bad morning.

Give it up, dude. You have already proven to everyone here that you have terrible reading comprehension.

[CosmicCowboy]

nope. shelter in place would need to include help for out of work quarantiners(food/money)

also it would have the benefit of reducing spread


those 2 would be absent in your scenario

what are you going to buy with that money if the economy collapses?

[hater]

one more tidbit for those who say short term shutdown is an option:

- the virus has its own schedule of infection waves. it will not be on our schedule. wed have to adapt to the virus not vice versa
- lets say we somehow get it under control in a few weeks internally. we would immediately start importing cases and go back to square one. this is a WORLD PANDEMIC. no way a single country can win by itself

we have to mive as fast as ge entire world moves

[Reck]

Give it up, dude. You have already proven to everyone here that you have terrible reading comprehension.

As per the responses you have gotten from other posters in this very same thread about the subject. You brought it up, you’re getting push back. You’re getting angry.

The end.

[hater]

what are you going to buy with that money if the economy collapses?

if?? :lol the economy has already collapsed :lmao

its wartime. time to survive. well worry about the economy later

[Winehole23]

Trump Weighs Easing Stay-at-Home Advice to Curb Economic Rout

From Bloomberg
President Donald Trump began talking privately late last week about reopening the nation, despite the swiftly rising number of coronavirus cases and against the advice of health professionals, because he’s worried about the economic damage from an extended shutdown, according to people familiar with his thinking.

The shortage of testing kits has made it difficult to assess the full spread of the virus, but Trump and a contingent of his aides, including Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, want to ensure that the economic damage from a nationwide “social distancing” campaign doesn’t outweigh the potential toll from the virus itself, the people said.

“WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!” Trump tweeted late Sunday.

The president started talking about how to get people back to work around Thursday, two of the people said, only three days after he helped roll out a 15-day plan from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to stem the rise of cases by encouraging most people to stay at home. That campaign would end about March 31.

The discussions centered on what to do after the 15-day period ends, and how to test and isolate everyone who’s sick so healthy people can return to work. It’s likely the CDC guidelines would be relaxed rather than scrapped altogether, one person said.

The government’s top health authorities have warned that in the absence of any viable medical treatment, sustained and economically painful restrictions on daily life are the only way to beat the virus. This group is led by Deborah Birx, the State Department doctor tapped to advise Vice President Mike Pence on the government’s response to the outbreak, and Anthony Fauci, the influential director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The economy is reeling as cases rise and the death toll mounts. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter, along with a 50% drop in gross domestic product. Morgan Stanley said Sunday it expects the U.S. economy to plummet 30% in the second quarter.

There had been more than 35,000 cases of the disease in the U.S. by Monday and more than 400 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Social distancing didn’t begin with Trump’s guidelines and won’t necessarily end if he lifts them, as governors and municipal leaders have the power to issue “shelter in place” and other orders limiting daily life in virus-ravaged parts of the country. But the president has considerable power to influence Americans’ behavior by the tone he sets at what has become daily, televised White House news conferences.

“We’ll get a pretty good idea what we’re doing” at the end of his “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign on March 31, Trump said Sunday. “You know there will be a point at which we say: ‘We’re back in business, let’s go.”

Some of the debate over how rapidly Americans should return to work is beginning to play out in public.

Former Goldman Sachs Inc. Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein said in a tweet Sunday night that “within a very few weeks” people at “lower risk to the disease” should return to work.
“Is it time to start discussing the need for a date when the economy can turn back on?” Trump’s former economic adviser, Gary Cohn, tweeted on Sunday. “Businesses need clarity. Otherwise they will assume the worst and make decisions to survive.”

But another former senior aide to Trump, Steve Bannon, said the president should take even stronger measures to limit Americans’ social interactions over the next two weeks in order to snuff out the virus -- or risk irreversible economic damage.

“We’re going to have to take the pain up-front. We’re going to have to shut it all down,” Bannon said on Fox News on Sunday. “Drop the hammer today on the virus.”

Trump said Sunday he’d seen both comments. “They are not mutually exclusive, they sort of inter-mesh,” he said of Cohn and Bannon. Bannon wants “just a brutal shutdown, and then open up a little bit faster. So you know, there’s that fine line.”

Late Sunday and into Monday morning Trump began retweeting supporters expressing exasperation with social distancing efforts.There's a difference between wrecking an economy and allowing tens of thousands of your own citizens to die. Economies can be rebuilt, the dead can't be revived.

[Reck]

Trump Weighs Easing Stay-at-Home Advice to Curb Economic Rout

From Bloomberg
President Donald Trump began talking privately late last week about reopening the nation, despite the swiftly rising number of coronavirus cases and against the advice of health professionals, because he’s worried about the economic damage from an extended shutdown, according to people familiar with his thinking.

The shortage of testing kits has made it difficult to assess the full spread of the virus, but Trump and a contingent of his aides, including Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, want to ensure that the economic damage from a nationwide “social distancing” campaign doesn’t outweigh the potential toll from the virus itself, the people said.

“WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!” Trump tweeted late Sunday.

The president started talking about how to get people back to work around Thursday, two of the people said, only three days after he helped roll out a 15-day plan from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to stem the rise of cases by encouraging most people to stay at home. That campaign would end about March 31.

The discussions centered on what to do after the 15-day period ends, and how to test and isolate everyone who’s sick so healthy people can return to work. It’s likely the CDC guidelines would be relaxed rather than scrapped altogether, one person said.

The government’s top health authorities have warned that in the absence of any viable medical treatment, sustained and economically painful restrictions on daily life are the only way to beat the virus. This group is led by Deborah Birx, the State Department doctor tapped to advise Vice President Mike Pence on the government’s response to the outbreak, and Anthony Fauci, the influential director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

The economy is reeling as cases rise and the death toll mounts. Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in the second quarter, along with a 50% drop in gross domestic product. Morgan Stanley said Sunday it expects the U.S. economy to plummet 30% in the second quarter.

There had been more than 35,000 cases of the disease in the U.S. by Monday and more than 400 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University.

Social distancing didn’t begin with Trump’s guidelines and won’t necessarily end if he lifts them, as governors and municipal leaders have the power to issue “shelter in place” and other orders limiting daily life in virus-ravaged parts of the country. But the president has considerable power to influence Americans’ behavior by the tone he sets at what has become daily, televised White House news conferences.

“We’ll get a pretty good idea what we’re doing” at the end of his “15 Days to Slow the Spread” campaign on March 31, Trump said Sunday. “You know there will be a point at which we say: ‘We’re back in business, let’s go.”

Some of the debate over how rapidly Americans should return to work is beginning to play out in public.

Former Goldman Sachs Inc. Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein said in a tweet Sunday night that “within a very few weeks” people at “lower risk to the disease” should return to work.
“Is it time to start discussing the need for a date when the economy can turn back on?” Trump’s former economic adviser, Gary Cohn, tweeted on Sunday. “Businesses need clarity. Otherwise they will assume the worst and make decisions to survive.”

But another former senior aide to Trump, Steve Bannon, said the president should take even stronger measures to limit Americans’ social interactions over the next two weeks in order to snuff out the virus -- or risk irreversible economic damage.

“We’re going to have to take the pain up-front. We’re going to have to shut it all down,” Bannon said on Fox News on Sunday. “Drop the hammer today on the virus.”

Trump said Sunday he’d seen both comments. “They are not mutually exclusive, they sort of inter-mesh,” he said of Cohn and Bannon. Bannon wants “just a brutal shutdown, and then open up a little bit faster. So you know, there’s that fine line.”

Late Sunday and into Monday morning Trump began retweeting supporters expressing exasperation with social distancing efforts.

Where did you get this from? Link?

[CosmicCowboy]

if?? :lol the economy has already collapsed :lmao

its wartime. time to survive. well worry about the economy later

I'm not talking about stock prices. I'm talking about daily goods and services. I'm already seeing it in business. Got an email from GM that my 2019 truck had a "serious" problem they had detected remotely and to go to my dealer within 7 days. Went in and it turned out to be a fuel flow sensor. The problem? The sensor is made in China and they aren't making them anymore because of covid19. GM doesn't have them and has no idea when they will get them. Dealer said "as long as your truck is working OK, keep driving it'. What happens next time when it makes the truck quit working? The truck is just an analogy. Our whole world supply chain is interconnected.

[picnroll]

Where did you get this from? Link?

Bloomberg article behind a paywall. Have a subscription and C/P it.
Bloomberg has quite a few good articles but unfortunately have kept paywall up on everything. Subscription’s pretty cheap though relative to a lot of them. Michael has to recoup his loses.

[hater]

I'm not talking about stock prices. I'm talking about daily goods and services. I'm already seeing it in business. Got an email from GM that my 2019 truck had a "serious" problem they had detected remotely and to go to my dealer within 7 days. Went in and it turned out to be a fuel flow sensor. The problem? The sensor is made in China and they aren't making them anymore because of covid19. GM doesn't have them and has no idea when they will get them. Dealer said "as long as your truck is working OK, keep driving it'. What happens next time when it makes the truck quit working? The truck is just an analogy. Our whole world supply chain is interconnected.

your example is another proof the economy has already collapsed

[pgardn]

Welcome to uncharted waters.

Cure worse than the cause...
We are sure about this?

Overreacting is now not preferable.

I am inclined to think this outburst has its roots in the inability of Congress to pass wartime economic measures.
Yet again, leading by dividing does not work in these types of situations.
It can get you elected, but when you continually present the us against them method, good luck actually leading an ENTIRE country.

The blue team is obviously concerned that large companies are going to use this to enrich the CEOs and their shareholders. The legislation gave Trump the power to decide which private companies get 500 billion. Trump was asked if he would use it for his own companies. No comment. Why would you trust him. Congress needs to decide who gets the hurt industry money and how it is used. This is supposed to be a stimulus, not a bank robbery. The distrust after 2008 in which many got themselves rich lingers. Especially with all the transparency this fck up of a president gives us.

[pgardn]

Yet Another study indicates the worst outbreaks of Covid in areas with colder dry(relative humidity) weather. This coincides with studies that suggests cold dry climates lead to respiratory viral problems because airways are easier to infect when cells are not well covered with the natural mucus layer that removes all the crap we get in our airwaves including viruses.

Suggestion: This might get better with seasonal change.

Im just throwing this stuff out there, we can hope. Many other viruses follow this pattern as we know(cold and flu season)

[boutons_deux]

There's a difference between wrecking an economy and allowing tens of thousands of your own citizens to die. Economies can be rebuilt, the dead can't be revived.

In Capitalism, there is no other calculation but amassing more Capital. Humans and environment are not in that calculation.

The Theory of Firm says exactly that.

We are hearing the Capitalists (of BigFinance) who have have taking 95% of all growth of wealth since THEIR Banksters Great Depression, whining, moaning, bitching, complaining about their loss in their 95% slice of the GROWTH of their wealth due to the pandemic.

They simply don't care if Labor sickens and dies from ending social distancing too soon, weeks maybe months too soon.

They really don't care if the vulnerable 65+ year olds die by the 100Ks, purged, since those people are not producing wealth for their Capital.

They will also threaten people back to work by threatening to evict tenants and repossessing cars, homes, etc for non-payment.

[Spurs Homer]

Never bet against America.

Trump - standing next to Putin in Helsinki: “Intel says it was russia- I believe Putin and i side with russia.

Darrin: “ready to swallow- boss!”

[SnakeBoy]

Governments make cuts as well to maximize profits of their own to spend on other bullshit to buy votes. Why no mention of South Korea? 11 beds per every person, despite them being a healthier country overall. We have 2.8 beds per person.

Or are those trillions that could have been used to build hospitals, train medical personnel, and buy supplies better spent on F35s and nation building in Iraq?

Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.

Plus SK has been living under the shadow of NK's massive artillery trained on them. They probably anticipated those beds being used in a war type situation.

[ChumpDumper]

Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.Trillions sounds a little high tbh.

[picnroll]

My prediction, within a week loan kiter in chief is going to hold a press conference announcing people should be able to go back to work in a week or two. Fauci loses his shit and is fired on national TV.

[Spurs Homer]

Moscow mitch on the floor GASLIGHTING america- rt now


Schumer better go up there and expose exactly what mitch and the criminal president inserted in the bill - 500 billion of free money for trump and his criminal family

[boutons_deux]

My prediction, within a week loan kiter in chief is going to hold a press conference announcing people should be able to go back to work in a week or two. Fauci loses his shit and is fired on national TV.

I expect Fauci to be fired from Trash / Pence TV bullshit shows, and later, quietly transferred or fired completely

[Reck]

The turtle on tv with the crocodile tears.

:cry pls give my rich pals all the money

[Spurs Homer]

My prediction, within a week loan kiter in chief is going to hold a press conference announcing people should be able to go back to work in a week or two. Fauci loses his shit and is fired on national TV.

yup - good one

i also predict cult sheeple will actually drink trumps poison obediently!

MAGA! Finally!

[TimDunkem]

The turtle on tv with the crocodile tears.

:cry pls give my rich pals all the money

McConnell is pure fucking evil.

[picnroll]

Coronavirus pandemic is accelerating as cases eclipse 350,000, WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, MAR 23 202012:03 PM EDTUPDATED MOMENTS AGO
Berkeley Lovelace Jr.
@BERKELEYJR
Noah Higgins-Dunn
@HIGGINSDUNN
William Feuer
@WILLFOIA
GP: Coronavirus World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus
World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus gestures during a daily press briefing on COVID-19 virus at the WHO headquaters on March 2, 2020 in Geneva.
Fabrice Coffrini | AFP | Getty Images
The coronavirus pandemic that’s spread to nearly every country in the world is picking up pace, the World Health Organization said Monday, as global cases eclipsed 350,000 and deaths soared past 15,000.

“The pandemic is accelerating,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press briefing from the organization’s Geneva headquarters. “It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for second 100,000 cases, and just four days for the third 100,000 cases.”


Tedros said he’ll be asking the G20, the international group of government and central bank leaders, to ramp up production of personal protective equipment for doctors and nurses and to avoid placing export bans on the life-saving gear.

“We need unity among the G20 countries who have more than 80% of the global GDP,” he said. “If we don’t prioritize protecting health workers, many people will die because the health worker who could have saved their lives is sick.”

[SnakeBoy]

We can still meet up. Should I bring a condom?

My abdominal pain was horrendous yesterday, but under control yet still there today, especially when I get near the end of the 8 hours in between 1000mg of acetomenophin I take 3x day. I got up to 100.8 yesterday but have stayed below 100 today. Don't feel there's much chance I'll need to go to the ER today at least.

So do you have to be in really bad shape to get a Corona test still?

You still alive bb?

[midnightpulp]

Well I'm sure South Korea thanks us for spending those trillions on defense so they could use their money to build 11 beds per person.

Don't disagree with that. It's probably not going to happen, but "pandemic response" or disease response in general needs to become a part of "national defense." Our yearly defense budget is around 1 trillion. Now instead of that 1 trillion going completely toward researching and building planes, bombs, and other crap to fight goat farmers with AK47s, half that needs to be allotted to building up hospitals and funding research into this area. This shit has screwed us up more than any Muslim terrorist attack or Cold War pissing match ever did. It can never, ever happen again. This will not be the last pandemic. And what if next time, something like a MERS-2 (in the family of coronaviruses) gets out with its 10 percent mortality rate?

[midnightpulp]

Coronavirus pandemic is accelerating as cases eclipse 350,000, WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, MAR 23 202012:03 PM EDTUPDATED MOMENTS AGO
Berkeley Lovelace Jr.
@BERKELEYJR
Noah Higgins-Dunn
@HIGGINSDUNN
William Feuer
@WILLFOIA
GP: Coronavirus World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus
World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus gestures during a daily press briefing on COVID-19 virus at the WHO headquaters on March 2, 2020 in Geneva.
Fabrice Coffrini | AFP | Getty Images
The coronavirus pandemic that’s spread to nearly every country in the world is picking up pace, the World Health Organization said Monday, as global cases eclipsed 350,000 and deaths soared past 15,000.

“The pandemic is accelerating,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press briefing from the organization’s Geneva headquarters. “It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for second 100,000 cases, and just four days for the third 100,000 cases.”


Tedros said he’ll be asking the G20, the international group of government and central bank leaders, to ramp up production of personal protective equipment for doctors and nurses and to avoid placing export bans on the life-saving gear.

“We need unity among the G20 countries who have more than 80% of the global GDP,” he said. “If we don’t prioritize protecting health workers, many people will die because the health worker who could have saved their lives is sick.”

Sure, because testing is accelerating. We also need to examine how it's accelerating on a percentage basis day over day rather than the simple metric of "50,000 new cases confirmed!"

[Spurs Homer]

Schumer not taking the bait, saying there will be a deal - but there must be oversight on the money.

[TimDunkem]

Schumer not taking the bait, saying there will be a deal - but there must be oversight on the money.

You would think these so-called fiscally conservative Republicans would sympathize, but they'll never pass up a chance to enrich their donors while simultaneously shitting on Democrats.

[Splits]

1242088448346988546

Keep doing your thing, MAGAts

[baseline bum]

You still alive bb?

まだ死んだことがないんです。

Actually feel ok today. First time I have been able to really sit up like a normal person these last three days. It feels amazing to not be stuck lying in bed.

[picnroll]

Sure, because testing is accelerating. We also need to examine how it's accelerating on a percentage basis day over day rather than the simple metric of "50,000 new cases confirmed!"

IMO best metric to look at will be mortality. They’ll be some lag, week or two, but that’s the canary in the coal mine for recovering to me.

[Spurs Homer]

You would think these so-called fiscally conservative Republicans would sympathize, but they'll never pass up a chance to enrich their donors while simultaneously shitting on Democrats.

pretty much


pelosi and mnuchin had a deal and the WH was on board already-
but moscow mitch took the weekend off- crafted his own DONOR approved bill
and came back to gaslight

mitch is assuming dems will cave because of people dying- so that he can pass another theft of the usa’s piggy bank for his donors

[Reck]

Pretty insane that we are almost at 40k cases and almost half of those are from New York alone. Pray for me ya’ll.

[SnakeBoy]

Don't disagree with that. It's probably not going to happen, but "pandemic response" or disease response in general needs to become a part of "national defense." Our yearly defense budget is around 1 trillion. Now instead of that 1 trillion going completely toward researching and building planes, bombs, and other crap to fight goat farmers with AK47s, half that needs to be allotted to building up hospitals and funding research into this area. This shit has screwed us up more than any Muslim terrorist attack or Cold War pissing match ever did. It can never, ever happen again. This will not be the last pandemic. And what if next time, something like a MERS-2 (in the family of coronaviruses) gets out with its 10 percent mortality rate?

Only thing I disagree with is I think this will lead to pandemic response becoming part of national defense. Actually I think so much is going to change. It's a world altering event imo.

[TimDunkem]

pretty much


pelosi and mnuchin had a deal and the WH was on board already-
but moscow mitch took the weekend off- crafted his own DONOR approved bill
and came back to gaslight

mitch is assuming dems will cave because of people dying- so that he can pass another theft of the usa’s piggy bank for his donors

Funny how he finally came out of his turtle shell to gasli-...I mean, speak to the American people and tell us how he cares oh so much. The base might fall for it, but most know better.

This crisis will be the end of these fucks, and history will take note.

[daslicer]

Funny how he finally came out of his turtle shell to gasli-...I mean, speak to the American people and tell us how he cares oh so much. The base might fall for it, but most know better.

This crisis will be the end of these fucks, and history will take note.

I hope you are right considering I thought the financial crisis would be the end of them but they actually got stronger.

[TimDunkem]

I hope you are right considering I thought the financial crisis would be the end of them but they actually got stronger.

You would think since it's their voter base that is susceptible to the virus, but you're right. I wouldn't be shocked if it didn't.

[Spurs Homer]

Funny how he finally came out of his turtle shell to gasli-...I mean, speak to the American people and tell us how he cares oh so much. The base might fall for it, but most know better.

This crisis will be the end of these fucks, and history will take note.

last night i checked out the

Amy McGrath site...

Ive never broken my vow to never support $ any politician-

but moscow mitch sure makes it tempting to break my vow

[baseline bum]

Bill Gates tried to warn us five years ago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI

[Spurs Homer]

WHO - warns that pandemic is...

ACCELERATING!

[TimDunkem]

last night i checked out the

Amy McGrath site...

Ive never broken my vow to never support $ any politician-

but moscow mitch sure makes it tempting to break my vow

I donated to his opponent too. People can talk about Trump like he's Vader, but he's nothing without Emperor Turtle behind him. McConnell is pure evil and needs to go.

[midnightpulp]

This is the best course of action going forward:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

Yeah, at some point we are going to have to start thinking about the economy, as crass as that sounds. And it's not primarily just about money. A wrecked economy will result in many "hidden" casualties, people who commit suicide, die prematurely of heart disease, stroke that was exacerbated by stress, drug overdose and abuse rise, etc.

The err in thinking many people have is that entire US is just weeks away from a similar fate in New York. It might happen, but when you put all the data together, the odds seem remote, since the biggest states with the largest economies are very different in climate, infrastructure, and social behavior than New York. I theorize this is why we haven't seen an outbreak and death explosion in CA, TX, and FL, despite those states seeing their first coronavirus cases around the same time, and with California, way back in Jan. 26th. If the curves are flattened in these states 15 days from now (Trump's timeline), they should start gradually easing back to normalcy. From this point, retirees and the immunocompromised should be issued soft shelter in place orders, while the least vulnerable can get back to work and regular life.

New York will likely still be under assault, but if these states and most of the country can get back on some track, we can focus on aiding New York.

More data. Germany is believed to have the largest ratio of tests to deaths, meaning their data is probably the most accurate portrayal of Covid's true mortality rate. They're at .3 percent, which is around a strong flu season. If this data is replicated in other countries, it'll calm fears quite a bit, because framing covid as a strong flu rather than 10 to 20x the flu (in terms of death rate) is a lot more palatable.




Germany’s relatively low mortality rate continues to intrigue experts as Covid-19 spreads across Europe, with some questioning the methodology behind its data gathering while others argue the country’s high testing rates allow a more accurate approximation of the threat posed by the novel coronavirus.

Crucially, Germany started testing people even with milder symptoms relatively early on, meaning the total number of confirmed cases may give a more accurate picture of the virus’s spread than in other states.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

[Reck]

Bill Gates tried to warn us five years ago


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI

It’s an easy call to make.

It’s obvious that when every country is doing their own shit and not really on the same page on pretty much anything, that this would happen.

This just shows that if something much much worse were to happen we would die within a month.

[Fabbs]

last night i checked out the

Amy McGrath site...

Ive never broken my vow to never support $ any politician-

but moscow mitch sure makes it tempting to break my vow
Ya I'm toss her a few.
If that's what it takes to get Turtle out.

[pgardn]

This is the best course of action going forward:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

Yeah, at some point we are going to have to start thinking about the economy, as crass as that sounds. And it's not primarily just about money. A wrecked economy will result in many "hidden" casualties, people who commit suicide, die prematurely of heart disease, stroke that was exacerbated by stress, drug overdose and abuse rise, etc.

The err in thinking many people have is that entire US is just weeks away from a similar fate in New York. It might happen, but when you put all the data together, the odds seem remote, since the biggest states with the largest economies are very different in climate, infrastructure, and social behavior than New York. I theorize this is why we haven't seen an outbreak and death explosion in CA, TX, and FL, despite those states seeing their first coronavirus cases around the same time, and with California, way back in Jan. 26th. If the curves are flattened in these states 15 days from now (Trump's timeline), they should start gradually easing back to normalcy. From this point, retirees and the immunocompromised should be issued soft shelter in place orders, while the least vulnerable can get back to work and regular life.

New York will likely still be under assault, but if these states and most of the country can get back on some track, we can focus on aiding New York.

More data. Germany is believed to have the largest ratio of tests to deaths, meaning their data is probably the most accurate portrayal of Covid's true mortality rate. They're at .3 percent, which is around a strong flu season. If this data is replicated in other countries, it'll calm fears quite a bit, because framing covid as a strong flu rather than 10 to 20x the flu (in terms of death rate) is a lot more palatable.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

And when is this?
How is it proportioned with help to individuals and industries?

This is super difficult.

We are now getting the red team saying basically now I guess based on Trumps last outburst. Cure is worse than the disease.
And the bill that was denied by the blue team contained 500 billion to the Industries of his choice including Trump declining to avoid the question if his businesses should be given money from the government. That was a basic "my businesses get money like any other" and in addition to that, "its my choice." Thats how I take it.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1242131400779878400?s=20

[picnroll]

Loan kiter in Chief will come through this WAY richer than he went in and he’ll hide his bailout billions behind a wall of executive privilege.

[boutons_deux]

Nine new COVID-19 coronavirus cases confirmed in Dallas County, three in critical care

https://www.fox4news.com/news/nine-new-covid-19-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-dallas-county-three-in-critical-care (https://www.fox4news.com/news/nine-new-covid-19-coronavirus-cases-confirmed-in-dallas-county-three-in-critical-care)


"CDC illness and death estimates from April 2009 to April 2010, in the US are as follows:




CDC estimates that between 43 million and 89 million cases of 2009 H1N1 occurred between April 2009 and 10 April 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 61 million people infected with 2009 H1N1.
CDC estimates that between about 195,000 and 403,000 H1N1-related hospitalizations occurred between April 2009 and 10 April 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 274,000 2009 H1N1-related hospitalizations.
CDC estimates that between about 8,870 and 18,300 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April 2009 and 10 April 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 12,470 2009 H1N1-related deaths."



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic#Side_effects

and there were (often nasty) therapeutics available, with none so far for coronavirus.

[midnightpulp]

And when is this?
How is it proportioned with help to individuals and industries?

This is super difficult.

We are now getting the red team saying basically now I guess based on Trumps last outburst. Cure is worse than the disease.
And the bill that was denied by the blue team contained 500 billion to the Industries of his choice including Trump declining to avoid the question if his businesses should be given money from the government. That was a basic "my businesses get money like any other" and in addition to that, "its my choice." Thats how I take it.

All I can say here is when we get better and more accurate data. If the warm weather and population density theory holds up. Great! The states I mentioned can start moving forward and resuming activity, which will give the economy a boost. If the data reveals this is a strong flu and 99 percent of cases are mild and don't require hospitalization (per South Korea's data), another boost.

Unfortunately, New York, one of our economic hubs, is in for a longer haul. But at least the country's other economic powerhouses can be released from the hospital, so to speak.

[Nathan89]

Don't disagree with that. It's probably not going to happen, but "pandemic response" or disease response in general needs to become a part of "national defense." Our yearly defense budget is around 1 trillion. Now instead of that 1 trillion going completely toward researching and building planes, bombs, and other crap to fight goat farmers with AK47s, half that needs to be allotted to building up hospitals and funding research into this area. This shit has screwed us up more than any Muslim terrorist attack or Cold War pissing match ever did. It can never, ever happen again. This will not be the last pandemic. And what if next time, something like a MERS-2 (in the family of coronaviruses) gets out with its 10 percent mortality rate?

Agreed, that it should.

[weebo]

Mosconell's bill sounds like one big scam. Stopped reading at 500B corporate slash funds for CEOs/the rich...how does that work for the people that really need the help?

[boutons_deux]

More MISgovernance by Trash/Repugs

American Expert Axed From CDC Post In China Months Before Coronavirus Outbreak

The disease expert, embedded in China’s disease control agency, could have been able to get word of the outbreak out early.​​

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cdc-expert-axed-china_n_5e77dd7bc5b63c3b6492aba3

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1242131400779878400?s=20

A lie on its face, Nathan.

[Reck]

But I forget this guy’s perception is all fucked up being one-eyed and all.

[koriwhat]

Thanks for the 7 days ago well wishes

Still don't care for you blaKKKe and this is exactly why. I don't want you to perish though no matter the bs rift between us and what has been said. Chin up buttercup and wash those hands!

[hater]

:lmao I thought by turtle u meant Mnuchin

he looks like a cartoon turtle too

[Nathan89]

Add "crime spike" to that list if we keep on with this solution.

[koriwhat]

You would think since it's their voter base that is susceptible to the virus, but you're right. I wouldn't be shocked if it didn't.

So the youth has been voting for biden? Lol

[hater]

Add crime spike to that list if we keep on with this solution.

solution? there is no solution. this is basic containment so we dont collapse to anarchy

[Nathan89]

solution? there is no solution. this is basic containment so we dont collapse to anarchy

"Solution"

[DarrinS]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/

[RandomGuy]

Add "crime spike" to that list if we keep on with this solution.

Burglars are having a tough time finding empty houses to rob...

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/Great, now there's a shortage because Trump touted it and people panic shopped prescriptions from their doctors.

Is that good policy, Darrin?

[RandomGuy]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/

Failures in reasoning:
ad hoc, ergo propter hoc
+
survivor bias

would this have made headlines if he had died? How many given the treatment died? how does this rate compare to untreated?

If anyone thinks this is going to magically help, they watch too many damn movies. RL science is tedious and methodical for a reason.

Trump lies about everything.
His lies are always intended to be self-serving. "A vaccine is right around the corner" "here is a miracle drug" etc. Then the right wing media takes up whatever lie he says, and runs with it, amplifying the lie.

That is what happened to this lie.

Man dies after taking malaria medication in effort to prevent coronavirus
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/489097-man-dies-after-taking-malaria-medication-in-effort-to-prevent-coronavirus

[midnightpulp]

A lie on its face, Nathan.

Sources? IF the Dems were pushing that shit right now, they should be taken to hard task, but I'm guessing there's some spin here.

[Winehole23]

Add "crime spike" to that list if we keep on with this solution.A UBI would tend to mitigate crime resulting from economic dislocation. It probably would do the same in normal times.

[weebo]

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/

Anecdotal at this point in time but this tx does show some promise. FYI, currently ~300 tx's are under trial and including a few vaccines. I know that in times like these people are scared and searching for a glimmer of hope...the disease is real but remember that the majority of people that get infected don't get hospitalized and some may never know they got it or had it. MSM and politicians have done a huge disservice to the public at large by either down playing the situation or sensationalizing it.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1242144904740036609?s=20

[weebo]

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1242144904740036609?s=20

Twitter is like the National Enquirer of social media...some fact but mostly bullshit.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1242131229106941958?s=20:lol

[boutons_deux]

'This Is a Trap': Progressives Sound Alarm as GOP Attempts Sneak Attack on Social Security in Coronavirus Stimulus Plan

"Senate Republicans are using the coronavirus crisis as a cynical cover to attack our Social Security system."

The GOP's $1.8 trillion Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/3548/text)) Act would

allow businesses to delay payment of the employer payroll tax—

one of the primary funding mechanisms for Social Security—for the rest of 2020.

"The Republican plan would replace Social Security's dedicated revenue [from the payroll tax] with deficit-funded general revenue, but this is a trap," explained Altman.

"Once the pandemic is done, Republicans will undoubtedly use the general revenue

to demand cuts to Social Security in the name of 'reining in entitlements,'

something they have already expressed their strong desire to do."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/23/trap-progressives-sound-alarm-gop-attempts-sneak-attack-social-security-coronavirus?cd-origin=rss (https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/23/trap-progressives-sound-alarm-gop-attempts-sneak-attack-social-security-coronavirus?cd-origin=rss)

Who thinks the Repugs in Jan 2021 will ask require companies to pay $Bs in deferred payroll taxes?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242129670243602432?s=20:clap

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1242144904740036609?s=20Trump lied, misinformed, prevaricated, browbeat officials who contradicted him, censored the CDC and slow-rolled testing to keep case numbers down.

Trump COVID-19 PR has been one long, solid disinfo op until last week, so he has that in common with the Chinese.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242116258834845710?s=20

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242116258834845710?s=20What bothers you about grants to states to check if election reaults are accurate?

[picnroll]

Twitter is like the National Enquirer of social media...some fact but mostly bullshit.

Just a coincidence that China has enacted rules to close down all wet markets. Gotta love Xi and the boys.

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/rachelbovard/status/1242129670243602432?s=20:clapThe only reason to give public assistance to corporations is to preserve jobs. Giving Wall Street half a trillion dollars without guarantees that they will not lay off workers and pocket the money as a financial gain would be irresponsible.

[Winehole23]

Great, now there's a shortage because Trump touted it and people panic shopped prescriptions from their doctors.

Is that good policy, Darrin?
Det silver bullet, tho

[boutons_deux]

Senate Republicans Cancel Their Weekly Lunch After Rand Paul Exposed Them To Coronavirus

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/23/senate-republicans-cancel-their-weekly-lunch-after-rand-paul-exposed-them-to-coronavirus.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

what are they afraid of? :lol

[Thread]

The only reason to give public assistance to coeporations is to preserve jobs. Giving Wall Street half a trillion dollars without guarantees that they will not lay off workers and pocket the money as a financial gain would be irresponsible.

I agree, but, that is what is going to happen.

R&D alike are mortified to cut these checks to Americans. It goes against every tenet (they've) ever practiced. (They) do not want us to (relax)...no, absolutely not. They want (industry/corporation) to relax as this catastrophe is processed. (We're) used to not relaxing during a lifetime of up & down. (industry/corporation) is not. "They're too big to fail."

(Us) failing is attractive fodder for Media---always has been.

[boutons_deux]

Fast, Portable Tests Come Online to Curb Coronavirus Pandemic



Testing kits delivered by courier and digital tools combine to battle the COVID-19 outbreakThe extraordinary success (https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.3151) of Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong

in limiting the impact of the sudden acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) demonstrates that

it is possible to mount an effective response to an outbreak by major investment in pandemic preparedness (https://www.chp.gov.hk/files/pdf/govt_preparedness_and_response_plan_for_novel_infe ctious_disease_of_public_health_significance_eng.p df). :lol

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fast-portable-tests-come-online-to-curb-coronavirus-pandemic/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fast-portable-tests-come-online-to-curb-coronavirus-pandemic/)

[Thread]

Senate Republicans Cancel Their Weekly Lunch After Rand Paul Exposed Them To Coronavirus

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/23/senate-republicans-cancel-their-weekly-lunch-after-rand-paul-exposed-them-to-coronavirus.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29

what are they afraid of? :lol





& that ain't that shit luncheon that regular Americans get. That's that good luncheon. (They) won't eat it (perhaps a nibble for show), sure, but, it's prepared, served, then thrown out en masse by Split's colored brethren.

[Thread]

Fast, Portable Tests Come Online to Curb Coronavirus Pandemic



Testing kits delivered by courier and digital tools combine to battle the COVID-19 outbreakThe extraordinary success (https://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.3151) of Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong

in limiting the impact of the sudden acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) demonstrates that

it is possible to mount an effective response to an outbreak by major investment in pandemic preparedness (https://www.chp.gov.hk/files/pdf/govt_preparedness_and_response_plan_for_novel_infe ctious_disease_of_public_health_significance_eng.p df). :lol

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fast-portable-tests-come-online-to-curb-coronavirus-pandemic/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fast-portable-tests-come-online-to-curb-coronavirus-pandemic/)

...order & mandate the Big 3 auto makers to produce caps & gowns & you'll know, bouts.