Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[clambake]

Just yours, fartface.

Nope. You are a men’s britches whore

[Thread]

Nope. You are a men’s britches whore

Get your own shit, clammy. That's my shit.

[boutons_deux]

January 11, 2017

Anthony S. Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said

there is “no doubt” Donald J. Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his presidency.

Fauci said the Trump administration will not only be challenged by ongoing global health threats such as influenza and HIV, but also a surprise disease outbreak.

“The history of the last 32 years that I have been the director of the NIAID will tell the next administration that

there is no doubt they will be faced with the challenges their predecessors were faced with,”

preventing disease pandemics often starts overseas and that

a proper response means collaboration between not only the U.S. and other countries, but also the public and private health sectors.

“We will definitely get surprised in the next few years,” he said.

Trump, has worried some infectious disease experts (http://www.healio.com/infectious-disease/practice-management/news/online/%7B2e91e852-1fe7-467e-9602-4c4bef13b3ad%7D/id-experts-anxious-uncertain-about-trump-presidency) with controversial :lol and sometimes unclear views :lol on certain health issues.

Trump’s virtual silence about the Zika outbreak and harsh comments about American volunteers infected during the West African Ebola outbreak is

“not the kind of leadership we need in our next president.”

the question of his perspective on these issues has never been more dubious :lol than it is with Donald Trump.”

the administration was forced to repurpose almost $600 million (http://www.healio.com/family-medicine/infectious-diseases/news/online/%7Bb3f11849-e332-4c45-a5a8-6fd72e99457f%7D/senate-approves-11b-in-zika-funding-as-part-of-stopgap-spending-bill) in federal funds set aside for the Ebola outbreak when

Republicans rejected Obama’s request for $1.9 billion to fund the nation’s Zika response.

preparing the U.S. for pandemics requires proper funding and starts by battling disease outbreaks overseas.

https://www.healio.com/infectious-disease/emerging-diseases/news/online/%7B85a3f9c0-ed0a-4be8-9ca2-8854b2be7d13%7D/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak

Never Forget, that Trash recalled from China the US investigator of Chinese disease outbreaks, one of his many fuckups that prevented USA from containing or minimizing C19

[midnightpulp]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1251265277163196416

OAN :td

But....good info. The warm weather/UV light theory is looking promising, and I think we have enough "circumstantial" evidence judging from the outbreak profiles in Texas, Australia, Florida, California, etc to at least infer transmission will slow down to manageable levels over the Summer. My problem with OAN reporting this is that the rubes who follow that shitshow of a station will take this information to mean that we "CAN OPEN RIGHT BACK UP. YEEEE HAW!" during the Summer. Nope. This means we'll just get a reprieve for 3 or 4 months, which we should devote to preparation for the incoming Fall/Winter wave. Sure, we can open up some, but we also need to be prepared to go back into hiding when cases start peaking again in the Fall.

[RandomGuy]

Yes, it is.

"A clearer way of looking at death numbers, also courtesy of the excellent Our World in Data, is the daily trend of deaths per million. Here you get a good sense of the trajectories. All of the countries listed below, except Sweden, have full national lockdowns. And yet Sweden is roughly in the middle of the pack. This is quite remarkable in itself, when set against the dominant narrative that lockdowns are the only thing capable of ‘flattening’ these curves and preventing tragedies that are many times worse."

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?country=BEL+DNK+ITA+NOR+SWE+GBR

Keep checking that sweden curve. It is now about twice that of its neighbors.

[RandomGuy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKrak/status/1251274322141945856


... in april... after the outbreak is out of control. I would hope so.

Too bad this didn't happen in February.

[ChumpDumper]

Keep checking that sweden curve. It is now about twice that of its neighbors.Also change the graph from logarithmic to linear so you can really see how much Sweden is sucking compared to it's neighbors.

[midnightpulp]

Sadly, the death toll is on pace to exceed 100K quite quickly. Death plateaus seem to last a good month, with a 20 percent variation either way throughout. We'll probably be around 100K by mid-May.

And sadlyX2, this won't convince "the base" of much anything. Expect these deflections:

"This is a New York/East Coast problem."

- Yeah, and we're trying to prevent that "problem" from becoming a national problem.

"How many died OF Covid as opposed to WITH?"

-- The base doesn't understand that Covid turns livable co-morbidities into acute life threatening situations.

"They're fudging the stats! They're labelling probable Covid deaths as actual Covid deaths!"

-- Who cares? The only data point you need to see if something serious is going on is comparing a state's typical number of deaths per day/week from all causes and see how that number has increased over the pandemic. In the case of New York State, they average about 400-500 deaths per day from all causes, from car accidents to falling off a ladder to heart attacks. They've averaged 500 Covid deaths per day over the last month. And what's different about New York now vs. last year? Hmmm. I wonder.

"This is just an old people problem. Let us back to work!"

- A big chunk of the workforce is over 50 years old. 50 isn't a senior citizen yet, but 50+ year old Americans have a rap sheet of co-morbidities as long as your arm. So it isn't just an "old people" problem.

[Thread]

Sadly, the death toll is on pace to exceed 100K quite quickly. Death plateaus seem to last a good month, with a 20 percent variation either way throughout. We'll probably be around 100K by mid-May.

And sadlyX2, this won't convince "the base" of much anything. Expect these deflections:

"This is a New York/East Coast problem."

- Yeah, and we're trying to prevent that "problem" from becoming a national problem.

"How many died OF Covid as opposed to WITH?"

-- The base doesn't understand that Covid turns livable co-morbidities into acute life threatening situations.

"They're fudging the stats! They're labelling probable Covid deaths as actual Covid deaths!"

-- Who cares? The only data point you need to see if something serious is going on is comparing a state's typical number of deaths per day/week from all causes and see how that number has increased over the pandemic. In the case of New York State, they average about 400-500 deaths per day from all causes, from car accidents to falling off a ladder to heart attacks. They've averaged 500 Covid deaths per day over the last month. And what's different about New York now vs. last year? Hmmm. I wonder.

"This is just an old people problem. Let us back to work!"

- A big chunk of the workforce is over 50 years old. 50 isn't a senior citizen yet, but 50+ year old Americans have a rap sheet of co-morbidities as long as your arm. So it isn't just an "old people" problem.

Until we implement a 30 day hard lock down, OR, a medical "cure" is invented the death count will increase.

& nobody on either side is willing to lock down hard. Not even close. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

[midnightpulp]

Until we implement a 30 day hard lock down, OR, a medical "cure" is invented the death count will increase.

& nobody on either side is willing to lock down hard. Not even close. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

Tough balancing act, Cub. I don't handwave the economy, either. But life>economy. And if we take care of our own, those supposed suicides, despair, ruin shouldn't happen. I personally think there's enough money out there to take care of everyone who needs it for a year, but "they" don't want to part with it. Need that extra Yacht or house in Paris.

[TSA]

Sadly, the death toll is on pace to exceed 100K quite quickly. Death plateaus seem to last a good month, with a 20 percent variation either way throughout. We'll probably be around 100K by mid-May.

And sadlyX2, this won't convince "the base" of much anything. Expect these deflections:

"This is a New York/East Coast problem."

- Yeah, and we're trying to prevent that "problem" from becoming a national problem.

"How many died OF Covid as opposed to WITH?"

-- The base doesn't understand that Covid turns livable co-morbidities into acute life threatening situations.

"They're fudging the stats! They're labelling probable Covid deaths as actual Covid deaths!"

-- Who cares? The only data point you need to see if something serious is going on is comparing a state's typical number of deaths per day/week from all causes and see how that number has increased over the pandemic. In the case of New York State, they average about 400-500 deaths per day from all causes, from car accidents to falling off a ladder to heart attacks. They've averaged 500 Covid deaths per day over the last month. And what's different about New York now vs. last year? Hmmm. I wonder.

"This is just an old people problem. Let us back to work!"

- A big chunk of the workforce is over 50 years old. 50 isn't a senior citizen yet, but 50+ year old Americans have a rap sheet of co-morbidities as long as your arm. So it isn't just an "old people" problem.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1251161198764019712

[TSA]

OAN :td

But....good info. The warm weather/UV light theory is looking promising, and I think we have enough "circumstantial" evidence judging from the outbreak profiles in Texas, Australia, Florida, California, etc to at least infer transmission will slow down to manageable levels over the Summer. My problem with OAN reporting this is that the rubes who follow that shitshow of a station will take this information to mean that we "CAN OPEN RIGHT BACK UP. YEEEE HAW!" during the Summer. Nope. This means we'll just get a reprieve for 3 or 4 months, which we should devote to preparation for the incoming Fall/Winter wave. Sure, we can open up some, but we also need to be prepared to go back into hiding when cases start peaking again in the Fall.

I posted the yahoo article earlier in the thread but OAN has the actual docs.

[Chris]

Someone told him not to like OAN and here we are.

[midnightpulp]

:cry Our bootstrapped billionaires :cry

Such amazing people who've earned every single penny with perfect moral and ethical behavior. If you want to tax them more, you hate success and are un-American.

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-billionaire-john-griffins-jet-flew-to-new-zealand-just-as-coronavirus-hit-the-us-2020-4

Hedge fund manager, too. So basically worthless. The fast food worker making min wage contributes more to society than this fuck.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1251291707339149313 RandomGuy hardest hit
*laughing in retired Florida Republican*

[midnightpulp]

I posted the yahoo article earlier in the thread but OAN has the actual docs.

I'm not coming at you. Just expressing concern that the type of political slant who follows OAN (they're more right and conspiratorial than most who lean right) will spin that information to justify returning to normal full stop.

[TSA]

I'm not coming at you. Just expressing concern that the type of political slant who follows OAN (they're more right and conspiratorial than most who lean right) will spin that information to justify returning to normal full stop.

I didn’t think you were all good.

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1251291707339149313 RandomGuy hardest hit
*laughing in retired Florida Republican*Hope it holds up with the open beaches.

[pgardn]

OAN is further off the path than MSNBc

[DarrinS]

Hope it holds up with the open beaches.


Beaches are a safe place to be, so long as you aren't clusterfucked together. Probably safer than the grocery store.

[Chris]

OAN is further off the path than MSNBc

Which media outlets are "on the path"?

[DarrinS]

Sadly, the death toll is on pace to exceed 100K quite quickly.

Based on what? IMHE models keep getting revised downward.

[ChumpDumper]

Beaches are a safe place to be, so long as you aren't clusterfucked together. Probably safer than the grocery store.They were certainly clusterfucked before. Hopefully it's monitored better this time. Jacksonville was tonight in the clip I saw.

[midnightpulp]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1251291707339149313 RandomGuy hardest hit
*laughing in retired Florida Republican*

I'll do a hater. "Called it."

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=284293

Wrote that 3 weeks ago, feeling positive about how Texas, Cali, and Florida would fare due to pop density, warm weather, sunlight, or whatever. Many regions in that latitude band just aren't going crazy exponential. This doesn't mean we should let our guard down in these states, though. There's plenty of densely enough populated areas (LA, Houston, Miami) where a couple of super spreaders can make things bad in a hurry.

And this means nothing when Fall/Winter hit. But we have some windows of opportunity we need to take advantage of.

[TimDunkem]

Based on what? IMHE models keep getting revised downward.

Those are all based on assumptions that never hold. I bet they also assumed beaches in Florida wouldn't open today.

[midnightpulp]

Based on what? IMHE models keep getting revised downward.

That model has a range. The 60K projected is just the median bound. The upper-bound is 130K. I think we'll be nearer to the upper bound based on the trends of how this virus seems to ride its plateau. Check out Italy. They hit 793 deaths on March 21st (their first big peak). Nearly a month later, they're still reporting daily deaths in excess of 500, about a 30 percent decrease. And they've collectively locked down harder than us.

Even if we average a 40 percent drop in daily deaths from here on out over the next 30 days, that'll put us at 80K deaths. And deaths just won't flatline to zero. It'll be a gradual descent. So over this month long gradual descent, we could easily see another 20K deaths.

The only factor that could keep us under 100K is if the New York situation "burns itself out" because we vastly underestimated the true case rate count. If it's by something like a factor of 50, that means 10 million have already been infected in NY, and hopefully many of those cases were mild. In this case, the virus will obviously have fewer "virgins" to infect and the death rate should fall like a rock.

[boutons_deux]

US intel on threat of coronavirus shared with Israel and NATO in November: report

"The US knew":

Report says American intel on the threat of coronavirus was dismissed by President Trump

he smoking gun has arrived."

An Israeli news report on Thursday revealed that

the country was told in November by U.S. intelligence about the potential threat of the coronavirus—

warnings that were also made to NATO and to the White House—

a clear contradiction of Pentagon claims last week that no such report existed.



"The smoking gun has arrived," tweeted Joel Rubin, a former aide to the presidential campaign of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

1251188815886200833

The information reportedly came from U.S. intelligence monitoring of internal Chinese communications that revealed the potential danger of the outbreak before it was publicly known.

The Times of Israel reported (https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/) that U.S. intelligence agencies were aware of the disease as early as the second week of November

and shared the information with President Donald Trump's White House, NATO, and Israel.

"The report was the result of analysis of wire and computer intercepts, coupled with satellite images.

It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia—forces that depend on the NCMI's work.

And it paints a picture of an American government that

could have ramped up mitigation and containment efforts

far earlier to prepare for a crisis poised to come home."

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/17/us-intel-on-threat-of-coronavirus-shared-with-israel-and-nato-in-november-report_partner/

Of course, Trash's Esperanto toadie would make sure the DoD would not agree to information that makes Trash looks even worse.

[midnightpulp]

Which media outlets are "on the path"?

Pure facts with no editorialization or "opinion."

[Reck]

That model has a range. The 60K projected is just the median bound. The upper-bound is 130K. I think we'll be nearer to the upper bound based on the trends of how this virus seems to ride its plateau. Check out Italy. They hit 793 deaths on March 21st (their first big peak). Nearly a month later, they're still reporting daily deaths in excess of 500, about a 30 percent decrease. And they've collectively locked down harder than us.

Even if we average a 40 percent drop in daily deaths from here on out over the next 30 days, that'll put us at 80K deaths. And deaths just won't flatline to zero. It'll be a gradual descent. So over this month long gradual descent, we could easily see another 20K deaths.

The only factor that could keep us under 100K is if the New York situation "burns itself out" because we vastly underestimated the true case rate count. If it's by something like a factor of 50, that means 10 million have already been infected in NY, and hopefully many of those cases were mild. In this case, the virus will obviously have fewer "virgins" to infect and the death rate should fall like a rock.

LOL to whoever thinks we'll only get roughly 15k more death from now til August. That new model is BS.

At the clip we're going, we'll add 15k in probably 3 weeks.

[apalisoc_9]

we've had like 10 cases in total the last 5 days :lol

And the province just announced a mandatory self quarantine for anyone doing interprovincial travel. Travel to northern areas has been banned and travil to outside of province by manitobans is also banned.

Alhamdulilah I leave in a good country.

Prime Minister Trudeau also doing work in Canada.

I don't qualify for any because I'm getting paid, but still that 2k a month benefit for unemployed canadians is huge and was announced very early.

[ducks]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/93226291_3105424986155422_3409368889518194688_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=1480c5&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQlRo5fhbUT_Zp_CSHUJA7DhDWVAcJ12Xf8y2kxUJfB GhZCjV5cpQfM_rDhr_qVAtEVVfHLgkH08pE67Vk1cfmuQ&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=400db33e9bf929803d1acc4dfb6a53c2&oe=5EBFE2DD

Truth bomb

[baseline bum]

That model has a range. The 60K projected is just the median bound. The upper-bound is 130K. I think we'll be nearer to the upper bound based on the trends of how this virus seems to ride its plateau. Check out Italy. They hit 793 deaths on March 21st (their first big peak). Nearly a month later, they're still reporting daily deaths in excess of 500, about a 30 percent decrease. And they've collectively locked down harder than us.

Even if we average a 40 percent drop in daily deaths from here on out over the next 30 days, that'll put us at 80K deaths. And deaths just won't flatline to zero. It'll be a gradual descent. So over this month long gradual descent, we could easily see another 20K deaths.

The only factor that could keep us under 100K is if the New York situation "burns itself out" because we vastly underestimated the true case rate count. If it's by something like a factor of 50, that means 10 million have already been infected in NY, and hopefully many of those cases were mild. In this case, the virus will obviously have fewer "virgins" to infect and the death rate should fall like a rock.

Our hospitals are in much better shape right now than their's though. At least better than their's were when they were peaking. I don't know if they're still denying ventilators to people over 60.

[apalisoc_9]

Prime Minsiter Trudeau >>>>>>> TRUMP.

No wonder why prime minister was making fun of trump a few months ago. Dude was probably mocking his stupidity :lmao

[DarrinS]

That model has a range. The 60K projected is just the median bound. The upper-bound is 130K. I think we'll be nearer to the upper bound based on the trends of how this virus seems to ride its plateau. Check out Italy. They hit 793 deaths on March 21st (their first big peak). Nearly a month later, they're still reporting daily deaths in excess of 500, about a 30 percent decrease. And they've collectively locked down harder than us.

Even if we average a 40 percent drop in daily deaths from here on out over the next 30 days, that'll put us at 80K deaths. And deaths just won't flatline to zero. It'll be a gradual descent. So over this month long gradual descent, we could easily see another 20K deaths.

The only factor that could keep us under 100K is if the New York situation "burns itself out" because we vastly underestimated the true case rate count. If it's by something like a factor of 50, that means 10 million have already been infected in NY, and hopefully many of those cases were mild. In this case, the virus will obviously have fewer "virgins" to infect and the death rate should fall like a rock.


We're at 30k and around the peak. Unless the curve is highly asymmetrical, I don't see how we get to 130k.

[TimDunkem]

Darrin thinks we'll be the only country in the world that won't have peaks and valleys during the pandemic. It's going to be one, nice, symmetrical curve for sure. Definitely one big drop off soon - no plateauing. Mhmm!

[midnightpulp]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/93226291_3105424986155422_3409368889518194688_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=1480c5&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQlRo5fhbUT_Zp_CSHUJA7DhDWVAcJ12Xf8y2kxUJfB GhZCjV5cpQfM_rDhr_qVAtEVVfHLgkH08pE67Vk1cfmuQ&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=400db33e9bf929803d1acc4dfb6a53c2&oe=5EBFE2DD

Truth bomb

:lol

Don't know why republicans are bringing border security into this? It was travelling American citizens or Chinese tourists who brought the virus into the country. In other worlds, "LEGAL" travelers.

And Dear Leader's actions against China were toothless. If you don't tariff a big corporation like Apple, you're just paying lip service. Apple was EXEMPT. So all Trump's tariffs really did was hurt small business owners.

[MannyIsGod]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283058&p=10122850&viewfull=1#post10122850

Why didn't you post the full original post instead of taking the part you wanted to take out of context? I mean its not much more, why did you leave it out?

Because you're a dishonest fuck who's not interested in an actual discussion but rather just spewing nonsense.

Sad.

[DarrinS]

Darrin thinks we'll be the only country in the world that won't have peaks and valleys during the pandemic. It's going to be one, nice, symmetrical curve for sure. Definitely one big drop off soon - no plateauing. Mhmm!


Uhhh, ok

[TimDunkem]

Uhhh, ok

You realize there will be more than one peak, right? You know these things happen in waves, right?

[GAustex]

Which media outlets are "on the path"?
None of the cable news channels

[DarrinS]

You realize there will be more than one peak, right? You know these things happen in waves, right?

We aren't going to be oblivious, like we were in February and half of March.

[Chris]

Pure facts with no editorialization or "opinion."


None of the cable news channels

two non-answers

cool...

[Reck]

We aren't going to be oblivious, like we were in February and half of March.

That's the point. Because we acted too late it's why we're not done with this. :lol

I like your positivity but you're edging too close to delusional territory.

[phxspurfan]

Covid flu?

0.1% death rate with 50x the number of people having it, and it having been in the country for at least 2 months before we recorded a case?

antibody test results in silicon valley say, maybe. Lots of people didn't know they ever got it, and by extrapolation, it could be 50x the # of detected, tested cases.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/santa-clara-coronavirus-infections-study/index.html

[boutons_deux]

90% of US COVID-19 deaths may have been prevented if social distancing began sooner: epidemiologists

If social distancing policies gone into effect two weeks earlier, many more would have been saved

The U.S. recorded its first thousand COVID-19 deaths between Feb. 26 and March 26.

It has reported more than 34,000 since then, or the equivalent of nearly a dozen 9/11 attacks in the span of three weeks.

epidemiologists estimated that 90% of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. might have been prevented if social distancing policies went into effect two weeks earlier.

If the policies were in place even one week earlier, on March 9, deaths could have been reduced by up to 60 percent, the the experts said.

the virus' logarithmic spread works both ways: possible exponential growth but also possible exponential reduction.

Kentucky issued social distancing policies March 26, but Tennessee waited until March 31.

As of last Friday, Kentucky had 1,693 confirmed cases (379 per million population) and Tennessee had 4,862 (712 per million).

some CEOs on Trump's newly-announced economic council said (https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/multiple-ceos-trump-s-new-council-say-they-were-not-n1185841?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma) they had not yet been briefed on any plan to reopen the economy.

experts say (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-testing-must-double-or-triple-u-s-can-safely-n1185881) testing capacity must double or triple before the country can safely begin to relax social distancing guidelines.

https://www.salon.com/2020/04/17/90-of-us-covid-19-deaths-may-have-been-prevented-if-social-distancing-began-sooner-epidemiologists/

[midnightpulp]

two non-answers

cool...

Not an non-answer, Chris. All news outlets have biases and take facts out of context to suit their politics. You can bypass this slant yourself by just looking at the facts yourself and forming your own conclusions. You don't need CNN man or FOX man to tell you what to think.

[Chris]

Not an non-answer, Chris. All news outlets have biases and take facts out of context to suit their politics. You can bypass this slant yourself by just looking at the facts yourself and forming your own conclusions. You don't need CNN man or FOX man to tell you what to think.

I don't watch either.

Just getting real tired of the ad hominem when no one can back it up.

[TimDunkem]

Covid flu?

0.1% death rate with 50x the number of people having it, and it having been in the country for at least 2 months before we recorded a case?

antibody test results in silicon valley say, maybe. Lots of people didn't know they ever got it, and by extrapolation, it could be 50x the # of detected, tested cases.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/santa-clara-coronavirus-infections-study/index.html

Maybe in Queens or New Orleans. Most places have been locked down too long to have that kind of rate. Many are likely still vulnerable.

[midnightpulp]

We're at 30k and around the peak. Unless the curve is highly asymmetrical. I don't see how we get to 130k.

Another problem with the Murray Model is that it basically stops counting at June 1st. I don't see how it's possible we'll be at 8 deaths per day by June? That's why I expect a lengthy gradual descent until August.

Keep in mind, I'm not "doomsdaying." 100K deaths over our first wave is actually "not bad" considering all the bungling early on. The early projections from the likes of Imperial College were forecasting a lot more deaths. And Fauci even put the number at 200K a couple of weeks ago.

[pgardn]

Which media outlets are "on the path"?

All writing and not editorials I'll take

NY Times
WSJ
Wa Po
The Guardian
Der Spiegel
The Economist

So I got a list of 6

Give me your 6...
I dare you.

Left leaning NY Times, WSJ, The Guardian
Middle Der Spiegel,
Further Right WSJ The Economist

[Chris]

All writing and not editorials I'll take

NY Times
WSJ
Wa Po
The Guardian
Der Spiegel
The Economist

So I got a list of 6

Give me your 6...
I dare you.

I already have. Thanks for admitting you are a repeater for Chinese propaganda outlets like WaPo and NYT.

[ChumpDumper]

I already have.:lol you always cop out

[pgardn]

I already have. Thanks for admitting you are a repeater for Chinese propaganda outlets like WaPo and NYT.

You forgot The Guardian.

Yes I have given you this list a number of times.
So now you give me yours because all I EVER see from you is some random twitter nut.
I dare you.

[ChumpDumper]

You forgot The Guardian.

Yes I have given you this list a number of times.
So now you give me yours because all I EVER see from you is some random twitter nut.
I dare you.You got him runnin' scared.

Not that it's all that difficult to do.

Just have to see how much he squirms.

[phxspurfan]

Maybe in Queens or New Orleans. Most places have been locked down too long to have that kind of rate. Many are likely still vulnerable.

Santa Clara was part of the group of the first counties in the USA to be locked down, since March 16th officially. The fact that this many people have the antibodies means it is likely a good percentage caught it before lockdown. Which is when Trump was saying we had very few cases. Which may prove out to be another bullshit line.

[pgardn]

I already have. Thanks for admitting you are a repeater for Chinese propaganda outlets like WaPo and NYT.

If you dont read the NYT you are missing some of the best international reporting on the planet.
Thats just the truth because they are everywhere and they are very thorough.
Wa Po is great for Washington inside political stuff. Both of these outlets help pop the "deep state" intelligence gathering that was highly suspect and they got dirty on the Clinton Foundation. They dug up Fast and Furious. The NYT was integral in bringing forth the disasters in Iraq and Afgahnistan. I could go on and on with stuff you would like but you still got a problem because both have exposed the orange slime at present.
This you cant handle. I get it.

[midnightpulp]

I don't watch either.

Just getting real tired of the ad hominem when no one can back it up.

I didn't do that. I thumbs downed OAN not for them relaying the information (which is solid) but because I know what their watchers might infer from that information, e.g. "This was blown out of proportion by democrats! It'll go away during the Summer and we'll be BACK TO WORK if the evil tyrant Dem govs let us." BRB, let's look at the comment chain.

:lol

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Here's the thing. A state like Michigan, where all the Freedumb protests are going on, isn't fuckin' "sunny" right now.

And sunlight might just slow down transmission. It won't stop it completely. And because we're in the mitigation phase right now, it's prudent that even sunny and warm states close down parks and beaches for the time being. A group 44 of spring breakers in Mexico (sunny) tested positive after they returned to Texas. But as I predicted, these "rubes" are using this information to justify opening up and their conspiratorial viewpoint toward them evil democrats.

[TimDunkem]

Santa Clara was part of the group of the first counties in the USA to be locked down, since March 16th officially. The fact that this many people have the antibodies means it is likely a good percentage caught it before lockdown. Which is when Trump was saying we had very few cases. Which may prove out to be another bullshit line.

I think this country is just far too big for this not to be the exception to the rule. I definitely agree the infection count is probably higher just about everywhere, but not enough for there to be anti-body resistance in most of the population. I also don't feel confident in a lot of these anti-body tests considering many straight up aren't reliable and have had issues with false negatives and positives.

[pgardn]

You got him runnin' scared.

Not that it's all that difficult to do.

Just have to see how much he squirms.

Because he literally has only conspiratards on his menu.
You can always go with these outlets and say beat these and they cant.
They know this site will rip them a new one.

They still dont get that the US has the best world reporting of any nation period.
Simply because we are a giant country and a democracy.

They think its all CNN v. FOX People like Chris dont read, they watch people scream and point at them on a screen.
Go to China, Russia, India, ... You wont find news. Their political leaders read OUR papers because they know we air dirty laundry, they dont.
They shut down any news sites the dont like. This place would not exist in those countries, well, maybe India.
Their intelligentsia read OUR papers because they know where they are most likely to get the goods.

[ChumpDumper]

Because he literally has only conspiratards on his menu.
You can always go with these outlets and say beat these and they cant.
They know this site will rip them a new one.

They still dont get that the US has the best world reporting of any nation period.
Simply because we are a giant country and a democracy.

They think its all CNN v. FOX People like Chris dont read, they watch people scream and point at them on a screen.
Go to China, Russia, India, ... You wont find news. Their political leaders read OUR papers because they know we air dirty laundry, they dont.
Their intelligentsia read OUR papers because they know where they are most likely to get the goods.Yeah, he lists far right twitter accounts as news sources.:lol

[TimDunkem]

I didn't do that. I thumbs downed OAN not for them relaying the information (which is solid) but because I know what their watchers might infer from that information, e.g. "This was blown out of proportion by democrats! It'll go away during the Summer and we'll be BACK TO WORK if the evil tyrant Dem govs let us." BRB, let's look at the comment chain.

:lol

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Here's the thing. A state like Michigan, where all the Freedumb protests are going on, isn't fuckin' "sunny" right now.

And sunlight might just slow down transmission. It won't stop it completely. And because we're in the mitigation phase right now, it's prudent that even sunny and warm states close down parks and beaches for the time being. A group 44 of spring breakers in Mexico (sunny) tested positive after they returned to Texas. But as I predicted, these "rubes" are using this information to justify opening up and their conspiratorial viewpoint toward them evil democrats.

Hell, it hasn't been sunny every other week here in Texas either. It's either been raining or cloudy with cooler temperatures, with days of temps in the high 80s dotted in between

[phxspurfan]

I definitely agree the infection count is probably higher just about everywhere, but not enough for there to be anti-body resistance in most of the population.

You don't need a majority of the population to get it/indicate antibodies without having died with the current death count to change the outlook from "Russian Roulette" to "2x seasonal flu". Just about 10-50x more than current tested positive.

I'm Switzerland on it right now, but you have to admit it's interesting scientific findings. The random sampling is extrapolated to 50x the same way your phone polls are extrapolated to determine presidential favor polling.

[midnightpulp]

Hell, it hasn't been sunny every other week here in Texas either. It's either been raining or cloudy with cooler temperatures, with days of temps in the high 80s dotted in between

Been like that in Cali, too.

[phxspurfan]

Been like that in Cali, too.

It's sucked ass here. We went from absolutely 0 inches of rain in Jan (when you could still go skiing/boarding) to having winter come in April. I'm ready for some fucking sunshine, tbh

[midnightpulp]

:bang

Freedumb has found its way to California. Not surprised. Despite our "Liberal reputation," there's still a shitload of Republicans and MAGAs here, just due to our huge population alone. They're a minority, but still a 7 figure minority.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/demonstrators-gather-in-huntington-beach-to-protest-states-stay-at-home-order-and-defying-social-distancing-rules/

[midnightpulp]

THE BASE


“They’re holding us hostage for no reason. The virus is not true. I mean, it’s true, but it’s not like a pandemic,” she said. “We think it’s New World Order trying to take over.”
Fagernes added that she believes she had the virus back in November “like 90% of Californians.”

“I’m not gonna wear a mask. I’m not gonna be a sheep,” she said. “It’s just like you having a chip. If you don’t wear a mask you don’t get to do things.”

[StormLuva]

Your posting frequency in this thread has tracked down perfectly in line with modeled death projections :lol

Go easy on Manny...it's been a rough week for him. Last Sunday, there were not only one but two massive tornadoes in Mississippi that were ready to inflict mass deaths. Unfortunately for Manny, they mainly went over rural territory so he got blue-balled on that one. Add to that the fact that the death count for the coronavirus is way less than what was initially reported, and it's no wonder he disappears tbh

[midnightpulp]

Yeah, he lists far right twitter accounts as news sources.:lol

Bill Mitchell is my favorite of Chris's heroes. Guy is so bad it's good. And of course he scammed his followers for a Miami Condo :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Bill Mitchell is my favorite of Chris's heroes. Guy is so bad it's good. And of course he scammed his followers for a Miami Condo :lmao1244499138189897730
:lol

[baseline bum]

We're at 30k and around the peak. Unless the curve is highly asymmetrical, I don't see how we get to 130k.

It's pretty early to believe this is the peak once we reopen. The model breaks down once things reopen in the next weeks. If SARSCov2 is seasonal the peak will come in the winter unless there are early lockdowns. If it isn't then who knows what's going to happen? Will the stage 1 plan Trump unveiled be enough to keep from having huge spikes like we saw in New York, Detroit, and New Orleans? Will some places be able to move on to stage 2? Or will we see huge infection rates again in stage 1 and have to go into lockdown again? Just a ton of uncertainty going forward.

[midnightpulp]

1244499138189897730
:lol

:lmao


Pro-Trump radio host and QAnon conspiracy theorist Bill Mitchell is in trouble with outraged fans who helped fund his campaign to move his studio to Washington, D.C., only to find he’d bought a condo in Miami, Florida.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/bill-mitchell-miami/

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao



https://www.dailydot.com/debug/bill-mitchell-miami/:rollin rubes

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/billmaher/status/1251350310045413377

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/billmaher/status/1251350310045413377Just the flu?

[slick'81]

The media is really eating this shit up for clicks

[DarrinS]

The media is really eating this shit up for clicks


We're all gonna die unless we stay at home for at least 10 years, tbh.

[ElNono]

White House to give $19B in farmer aid

President Donald Trump on Friday announced a $19 billion economic rescue package for farmers and ranchers that will include sending out cash payments as well as buying farm products and redistributing them to food banks.

Trump has counted farmers and rural voters among his most solid supporters, and he directed Secretary Sonny Perdue last week to speed through assistance to the agriculture sector as producers increasingly bleed profits and start dumping goods like milk and fresh produce.

Support from the industry could be crucial to the president’s reelection hopes this November in key Midwestern swing states like Wisconsin and Michigan. Yet influential sectors, including producers of biofuels like ethanol, are frustrated that they were excluded from the program.

The stimulus plan is the latest in a long string of recent ad hoc relief efforts for the agricultural economy. Trump has pulled out the stops to bail out farmers and ranchers stung by his own trade war and biofuel policies, in addition to long-term economic headwinds.

“The program will include direct payments to farmers as well as mass purchases of dairy, meat and agricultural produce, to get that food to the people in need,” Trump said during a White House press briefing.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/17/white-house-farmer-aid-193180


#freeshit2020

[ElNono]

:lmao

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/bill-mitchell-miami/

rofl... sounds like the kind of scam Qhrisbot would fall for...

[Splits]

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[Winehole23]

We're all gonna die unless we stay at home for at least 10 years, tbh.
Don't you think we should at least wait for cases/deaths to peak and start going down first? You know, maybe a few more weeks?

[boutons_deux]

Red states may be facing a perfect storm of illness and death from COVID-19

experts say that they’re simply behind the curve of denser, more urban states

another reason to believe that red states are likely to be hit hard as the virus spreads: Many of them are leading the country in risk factors for severe illness and death from COVID-19.

17 of the 20 states with the highest rates of smoking are red. Two are swing states and one, North Carolina, has only become blue in the past couple of cycles.

Twelve of the 15 states with the highest self-reported rate of diabetes (https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/adults-with-diabetes/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Yes%22,%22sort%22:%22d esc%22%7D) are red.

Thirteen of the 15 states with the highest obesity rates (https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/adult-overweightobesity-rate-by-gender/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22All%20Adults%22,%22sor t%22:%22desc%22%7D) are as well.

Of the 15 states with the largest share of their populations reporting being in “fair” or “poor” health (https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/percent-of-adults-reporting-fair-or-poor-health-by-gender/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22All%20Adults%22,%22sor t%22:%22desc%22%7D), one is blue, two are swing states and the rest are solidly Republican.

Among the 15 states with the highest rates of death from heart disease (https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-deaths-due-to-diseases-of-the-heart-per-100000-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Heart%20Disease%20Deat h%20Rate%20per%20100,000%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22% 7D), four are swing states but none are blue states.

“many rural doctors, leaders and health experts worry that…they will have fewer hospital beds, ventilators and nurses to handle the onslaught.” Of the 20 states with the highest rates of uninsured (https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Uninsured%22,%22sort%2 2:%22desc%22%7D), 16 are safely Republican.

eight of the 10 states with the highest rates of death from pneumonia and influenza in 2018 (https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/influenza-and-pneumonia-death-rate/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Influenza%20and%20Pneu monia%20Deaths%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D), the most recent year for which data are available, were heavily Republican.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/red-states-may-be-facing-a-perfect-storm-of-illness-and-death-from-covid-19/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

aka, the rightwing death/suicide cult, low-wage, low-ed, ignorant of self-care, solidly in Trash cult mob

[RandomGuy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeConchaTV/status/1251291707339149313 RandomGuy hardest hit
*laughing in retired Florida Republican*

I hope it stays lower. I really do.

The death toll in some counties exceeds 5% of cases. The problem is that the model is probably using garbage numbers, as they are keeping deaths in nursing homes secret. Like authoritarians everywhere.

Would you like to see an article about how state governments are trying to keep a lid on nursing home deaths?

In the end time will tell. Vastly too much uncertainty at the moment. Republicans will push to re-open too soon. If they do that, my guess remains the same. I think we are getting vastly overconfident. Viruses don't care about ideology. Reality has a way of punishing people who ignore it.


FLORIDA BEACHES PACKED
... As Trump Urges People To Break Quarantine
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/18/florida-beaches-coronavirus-packed-trump-break-quarantine

https://imagez.tmz.com/image/c4/4by3/2020/04/18/c463cd2a2487444d9e0b03598091c1dd_md.jpg

[boutons_deux]

rightwingnutjobs, always infected fatally with freedumb, and Repugs are blaming the C19 shutdowns on Dems trying to hurt Trash (and other Repugs)

because they know the pandemic will hurt Trash, and

that the Dems will wipe Trash's historic, fatal negligent manslaughter botching of the pandemic in Repugs' faces all campaign.

[rmt]

I'd be wasting money. The other day I try making rice and it came out like paste.

Practice makes perfect. Rice is the first thing Chinese kids learn to make - admittedly, it's very easy in a rice cooker - almost fool-proof. Or rice and beans is quick (30 mins), easy and healthy in an Instant Pot.

[RandomGuy]

Also change the graph from logarithmic to linear so you can really see how much Sweden is sucking compared to it's neighbors.

Unshockingly, the virus is behaving in Sweden just like it has everywhere else. They are a week or less from shutting everything down.

Just like everybody else.

Jury still out TSA? Let me know when they are done deliberating, and the debate is over.

[leemajors]

You can go outside even if parks are closed.

[DarrinS]

Projection for Texas lowered to less than 1000.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas

[Reck]

Projection for Texas lowered to less than 1000.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas

Umm i dont buy these projections.

Took at look at NY. They project 21 thousand deaths by august but we're already at 12k.

[baseline bum]

Projection for Texas lowered to less than 1000.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas

And when we reopen?

[Spurs Homer]

Projection for Texas lowered to less than 1000.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas

When you do NOT test -

projections are really low.

Why do you think trump bunglefuck team is stalling/blocking mass testing?

[DarrinS]

Umm i dont buy these projections.

Took at look at NY. They project 21 thousand deaths by august but we're already at 12k.

By early May.

[DarrinS]

And when we reopen?

Probably some spikes

[Reck]

And when we reopen?

Very generic plain answer. They have June 1 for pretty much every state.

[Winehole23]

Science Magazine article about what COVID -19 does to the body

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes#

[Reck]

According to Cuomo we may be past the plateau and on a downward trajectory.

Todays’s deaths stands at: 504 hospital and 36 nursing homes for a total of 540.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Education4Libs/status/1251384553995984897?s=19

[baseline bum]

According to Cuomo we may be past the plateau and on a downward trajectory.

Todays’s deaths stands at: 504 hospital and 36 nursing homes for a total of 540.

Until you reopen.

[Reck]

The negro blame game!

[baseline bum]

The negro blame game!

???

[leemajors]

I'd rather ask myself why the EPA wants to allow more mercury waste into the environment.

[Reck]

???

That was in reference to Chris's tweet post roping in Obama into this mess.

[Reck]

Until you reopen.

At least we've done the most tests out of everyone else.

We've started doing contact tracing and are looking to scale that up. Cuomo said until we have adequate contact tracing we ain't opening.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1251480118691876865?s=19

[Spurs Homer]

^ time to attack another person who exposed dear leaders fuck-bungling of this unnecessary tragedy

[TimDunkem]

Chris is such an intellectually dishonest piece of shit.

[Spurs Homer]

Chris is such an intellectually dishonest piece of shit.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1251480118691876865?s=19
Chris wants to spit on the dead.

[TimDunkem]

^Hell, Chris would spit on the dying. Wouldn't even wait until you were dead.

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1251523163760005121?s=19

[monosylab1k]

Chris is such an intellectually dishonest piece of shit.

[monosylab1k]

^Hell, Chris would spit on the dying. Wouldn't even wait until you were dead.

Imagine claiming to follow Jesus but having that mentality.

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/Laurie_Garrett/status/1251523163760005121?s=19

everybody back to work!

damage or kill your lungs and/or kidneys and/or brain and/or GBS or death

GBS is a immune disorder, is why dicking around with your immune system with a chance-y, FDA-foolishly-rapidly-approved vaccine is super risky

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793

[Chris]

I troll hard all day every day.


#Metoo


Me three!

[boutons_deux]

When will a COVID-19 vaccine be ready?

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=16803&utm_content=20200417_Coronavirus_Infographic+&utm_term=194127&m_i=XWcYhR4LK0hJ99i9yRt8plAYoqHoq7Futnq6Bdb9ft2rWm %2B22Pa11axWu6DYioEQ7NT6lKu9U4WMeuXCHs1JA9OXK%2Bwh MQ

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Why a coronavirus vaccine could take way longer than a year

Considering the history and science behind making these drugs,

“a year to 18 months would be absolutely unprecedented,” one expert warns.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/04/why-coronavirus-vaccine-could-take-way-longer-than-a-year/

[TimDunkem]

Chris is such an intellectually dishonest piece of shit.

[boutons_deux]

Dr. Oz Fears That Coronavirus Comments Could Hurt His Credibility as Expert on Magic Beans

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5e9a21018813a500087ad820/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/Borowitz-DrOz.jpg

NEW YORK —Dr. Oz is deeply concerned that his controversial comments about the coronavirus could damage his hard-earned credibility as an expert on magic beans, Dr. Oz confirmed on Friday.

“I’ve worked long and hard to establish myself as the world’s leading authority on the magical weight-loss powers of green-coffee-bean extract,” Oz said.

“It’s horrifying to think that my stature in the field of magic-beanology could vanish overnight, like unwanted pounds.”

Oz pleaded with viewers not to judge him based on a few unfortunate comments but,

rather, to consider his entire body of medical work,

including his pioneering research into the fat-burning superpowers of raspberry ketones.

“A few ill-considered remarks don’t change the fact that I’m the same Dr. Oz who recommended curing restless-leg syndrome by placing a bar of lavender soap under your sheets,” he said.

“And

should one slip of the tongue erase all the times I’ve promoted astrology, faith healing, and psychic communication with the dead?

I should hope not.”

But even as he defended his unimpeachable scientific record,

Oz acknowledged that the coronavirus controversy has left him badly shaken.

“In my darkest moments,

I wonder if people will ever believe me again when I tell them that umckaloabo-root extract cures the common cold,” he said.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dr-oz-fears-that-coronavirus-comments-could-hurt-his-credibility-as-expert-on-magic-beans (https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/dr-oz-fears-that-coronavirus-comments-could-hurt-his-credibility-as-expert-on-magic-beans)

[boutons_deux]

Virginia pastor

who defiantly held church service

dies of coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

[picnroll]

Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine Trial 'Within Weeks': Q&A

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928941

Most optimistic timeline I’ve seen from a prominent group working on vaccines.

[boutons_deux]

Life Tabernacle Church Becomes Death Tabernacle Church After Defying Stay-At-Home Orders

God needs them to fight the Antichrist:

"Satan and a virus will not stop us," said the Reverend Tony Spell, 42, pastor of the evangelical Life Tabernacle Church near Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

He expects a crowd of more than 2,000 to gather in worship at his megachurch on Sunday.

"God will shield us from all harm and sickness," Spell said in an interview.

"We are not afraid.
We are called by God to stand against the Antichrist creeping into America's borders.
We will spread the Gospel."

Alas, as it turns out, Spell may have been a little off in his calculations

78-year-old Harold Orillion, an usher at Life Tabernacle church died this Wednesday, and according to the coroner's report, (https://www.wafb.com/2020/04/16/member-life-tabernacle-church-dies-covid-records-say/) the causes of death were "acute respiratory distress syndrome, 2nd pneumonia, 2nd COVID-19."

Pastor Tony, however, claims that the coroner is lying. :lol

Orllion isn't the only one of Spell's parishioners to get infected:

Jeffrey Wittenbrink, the lawyer defending him in his criminal case has it as well.

In fact, he gave an interview to The Daily Beast (https://www.thedailybeast.com/member-of-tony-spells-life-tabernacle-church-in-baton-rouge-dies-from-coronavirus-another-member-in-icu) from his hospital bed, while on oxygen support.

In an interview with The Daily Beast from his hospital bed on Thursday, he said he felt bad for potentially infecting others :lol


"These restrictions are out of control," :lol

"Some governors think these emergency powers give them carte blanche...

We should not give up our God-given :lol rights :lol so easily."

song, which he dedicated to all of his followers having a bad time during the pandemic, is called "Please Take Me Jesus." :lol

https://www.wonkette.com/life-tabernacle-church-becomes-death-tabernacle-church-after-defying-stay-at-home-orders (https://www.wonkette.com/life-tabernacle-church-becomes-death-tabernacle-church-after-defying-stay-at-home-orders)

[spurraider21]

Another problem with the Murray Model is that it basically stops counting at June 1st. I don't see how it's possible we'll be at 8 deaths per day by June? That's why I expect a lengthy gradual descent until August.

Keep in mind, I'm not "doomsdaying." 100K deaths over our first wave is actually "not bad" considering all the bungling early on. The early projections from the likes of Imperial College were forecasting a lot more deaths. And Fauci even put the number at 200K a couple of weeks ago.
:lol shoe is on the other foot now, eh?

[koriwhat]

^ time to attack another person who exposed dear leaders fuck-bungling of this unnecessary tragedy

cuomo? lmao you're a fraud just like him and his brother fredo. fucking losers!

[DarrinS]

Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine Trial 'Within Weeks': Q&A

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928941

Most optimistic timeline I’ve seen from a prominent group working on vaccines.

The one Moderna is working on, might be even sooner.

[TimDunkem]

Great. Still on the timeline for a year to 18 months.

[clambake]

cuomo? lmao you're a fraud just like him and his brother fredo. fucking losers!

calf tats lol

[CosmicCowboy]

Gov. Cuomo has been impressive in this disaster. His brother, on the other hand has been pathetic.

[Splits]

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[koriwhat]

calf tats lol

wow very insightful... coming from one of ST's own faux intellectuals your words and lame jabs are brutally crushing to my being. :lmao

[clambake]

wow very insightful... coming from one of ST's own faux intellectuals your words and lame jabs are brutally crushing to my being. :lmao

your decision making skills are whats crushing you.

[baseline bum]

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Because Democrat governors are worse than the coronavirus to the GOP

[koriwhat]

your decision making skills are whats crushing you.

do explain... you seem to have all the answers so lay it all out.

i've never whined here about my life so what's so "crushing" exactly?

you're so cool clam; so fucking cool!

[weebo]

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Sadly, these are the type of people I've run across hospitals; they act surprised when they test +. I wish these people who want to go work so bad or "open up" their state sign a waiver forfeiting any type of medical assistance if they fall ill. Why should I and my colleagues risk our family's and our health and well-being for people who don't think of anyone else but themselves.

[TSA]

Contamination at CDC lab was likely cause of critical early delays in rolling out coronavirus testing

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/18/politics/cdc-coronavirus-testing-contamination/index.html

[ChumpDumper]

What's the delay now?

Oh right, we're not going to do the testing that will actually matter for reopening safely.

Hopes and prayers.

[Winehole23]

Didn't watch Trump's presser today.

Did the President offer any sympathy to the bereaved or encouragement for the sick? Or was it all blame-shifting, whining and self-congratulation again?

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't watch Trump's presser today.

Did the President offer any sympathy to the bereaved or encouragement for the sick? Or was it all blame-shifting, whining and self-congratulation again?Didn't see the beginning but it ended as a disjointed, rambling white "christian" grievance fest.

[ElNono]

Didn't watch Trump's presser today.

Did the President offer any sympathy to the bereaved or encouragement for the sick? Or was it all blame-shifting, whining and self-congratulation again?

Wife had it on the TV and I heard a couple of "if sleepy joe wins" in passing... I guess these things are a free for all now

[Blake]

cuomo? lmao you're a fraud just like him and his brother fredo. fucking losers!

But all your friends think you're a fun guy to hang around tho

[koriwhat]

But all your friends think you're a fun guy to hang around tho

you make no sense betaBlaKKKe.

[Xevious]

Wife had it on the TV and I heard a couple of "if sleepy joe wins" in passing... I guess these things are a free for all now
Free airtime for Trump to campaign

[Blake]

you make no sense betaBlaKKKe.

Your first post of the day is a hate filled rant. It's pretty much all you do in this forum

[koriwhat]

Your first post of the day is a hate filled rant. It's pretty much all you do in this forum

and what post would that be? i've had a few replies with clamBlaKKKe and a couple others today so point out the obvious if it's so obvious to you.

btw, why does it matter to you what i post here? it's a damn shame you're such a fucking pussy that you concern yourself with my every movement here on ST. no one fucking cares if i "rant", if my replies are "hate-filled", if i "wish death on others", etc except pussies like yourself who are trying so hard to present yourself as if you're the pinnacle of morality.

you're a fucking fraud and i'm glad your ex wife figured it out sooner than later while making you ball your sissy eyes out and come a crying to an internet messageboard for support from anonymous cocksuckers like yourself. fucking pathetic cocksucking cuckold betaBlaKKKe.

[spurraider21]

Wife had it on the TV and I heard a couple of "if sleepy joe wins" in passing... I guess these things are a free for all now
you didnt know that covid-19 briefings are campaign events?

[Blake]

and what post would that be? i've had a few replies with clamBlaKKKe and a couple others today so point out the obvious if it's so obvious to you.

btw, why does it matter to you what i post here? it's a damn shame you're such a fucking pussy that you concern yourself with my every movement here on ST. no one fucking cares if i "rant", if my replies are "hate-filled", if i "wish death on others", etc except pussies like yourself who are trying so hard to present yourself as if you're the pinnacle of morality.

you're a fucking fraud and i'm glad your ex wife figured it out sooner than later while making you ball your sissy eyes out and come a crying to an internet messageboard for support from anonymous cocksuckers like yourself. fucking pathetic cocksucking cuckold betaBlaKKKe.

That's teaching me how not angry you are.

[koriwhat]

That's teaching me how not angry you are.

i'm not trying to teach you anything you fucking pussy. :tu

you are EXACTLY the bitch i claim you to be blaKKKe and it eats at you. you know how i know this? it's because you can't help but cry about me endlessly here and over shit that had nothing to do with you but of course you make everything about you. you're a weak fucking pussy you cuckold faggot drama queen.

[picnroll]

Gov. Cuomo has been impressive in this disaster. His brother, on the other hand has been pathetic.

Too bad Cuomo has disavowed running for any office but governor of NY. He demonstrates the intelligence, integrity snd compassion that is totally lacking in Trash.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1251616327904747521

muh Russia has finally arrived

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1251616327904747521

muh Russia has finally arrivedYou made the jump yourself tbh.

Try reading the tweet again.

[koriwhat]

Too bad Cuomo has disavowed running for any office but governor of NY. He demonstrates the intelligence, integrity snd compassion that is totally lacking in Trash.

isn't he one of the same retards like de blasio who wanted everyone in NY to go hug a chinaman in chinatown while the china virus was about to start exploding in the USA? such leadership!

[ChumpDumper]

isn't he one of the same retards like de blasio who wanted everyone in NY to go hug a chinaman in chinatown while the china virus was about to start exploding in the USA? such leadership!You mean the fake flu.

I am posting this to trigger you.

[koriwhat]

^^ see the other thread for my response to another worthless post of yours CumDumpster.

[ChumpDumper]

^^ see the other thread for my response to another worthless post of yours CumDumpster.I posted both times to trigger you.:tu

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus Advice From Abroad: 7 Lessons America’s Governors Should Not Ignore as They Reopen Their Economies

We spoke to frontline experts from around the globe and have compiled a list of recommendations for reopening U.S. states.

Their consensus?

It’s tough to find policies that

simultaneously save lives and livelihoods.

While they differ on the details, their views formed a startlingly united consensus of what’s needed:

Massive, ongoing testing to detect where the disease is spreading,

a real-time ability to trace contacts of those infected and isolate them,

a willingness of people to wear masks in crowded public spaces,

reserves of personal protective equipment (PPE) and other equipment for hospital workers to handle any surge in cases,

reliable, easily administered blood tests to find out the number of people who have been infected. If they work well, such tests could eventually be used to identify people with immunity who could work at higher-risk jobs.

We also asked American experts

whether states can meet all or most of these benchmarks.

Their answers coalesced around a single point:

None of you (the states) are close to being ready.

https://www.propublica.org/article/coronavirus-advice-from-abroad-7-lessons-americas-governors-should-not-ignore-as-they-reopen-their-economies (https://www.propublica.org/article/coronavirus-advice-from-abroad-7-lessons-americas-governors-should-not-ignore-as-they-reopen-their-economies)

The Capitalists, the oligarchy, see NO VALUE in human life, so will push the states HARD to get people back to work and THEIR own wealth back top shape, to pocketing, hoarding 95% of all gains in national wealth.

100Ks more diseased?

10Ks more dead"

The Capitalists, the oligarchy, DON'T FUCKING CARE,

like they already don't fucking care about 100Ks of Americans who have committed "suicides of despair" from neoliberalism and austerity imposed on the by the oligarchy.

[Reck]

You made the jump yourself tbh.

Try reading the tweet again.

TSA didn’t read the report so he probably doesn’t know about the phony rallies some pulled back then.

[Winehole23]

1251656728317276162

[boutons_deux]

‘Who takes a victory lap on piles of corpses?’:

Trump blasted as ‘sociopathic monster’ for bragging about 65,000 deaths

President Donald Trump is being blasted for his apparent bragging about and celebrating “only” 60,000 to 65,000 coronavirus deaths.

When you look at the possible deaths at 2.2 million people – and it could have very well been that, it could have been more,” the president continued, as he continued to pat himself on the back.

“Frankly I’ve been looking at numbers where it could have been higher than that. 2.2 million people dying. If you figure we lost 500,000, maybe 600,000 in the Civil War, 2.2 million people, a minimum if we did nothing would have been 1.6, if you cut that in half, you’re talking about 800,000 [to] 900,000 – a million people dying.”

“But we did a lot of work, :lol

if it was successful they had between 100,000 and 220,000 to 240,000 on the upside, and

I think we’ll be substantially, hopefully below the ‘100’ number, and I think right now we’re headed probably around ’60,’ maybe 65,000.”

“I always say, ‘One is too many,'” Trump claimed. A Google search (https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&client=safari&rls=en&sxsrf=ALeKk00H8stra1NQxENH-K52qeAuS5P3mQ%3A1587167563059&ei=S0GaXsySA7qtytMPxvSuoAg&q=%22I+always+say+one+is+too+many%22+Trump&oq=%22I+always+say+one+is+too+many%22+Trump&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIECCMQJ1C8LliMXGCIXmgBcAB4AIA BcIgB8AOSAQMzLjKYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiM5K320_DoAhW6lnIEHUa6C4QQ4dUDCAs&uact=5) turns up no statement of Trump having ever said that.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/who-takes-a-victory-lap-on-piles-of-corpses-trump-blasted-as-sociopathic-monster-for-bragging-about-65000-deaths/

[boutons_deux]

red states, welcome to party

North Dakota coronavirus cases spike with outbreak at GE wind power plant

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-north-dakota/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases-spike-with-outbreak-at-ge-wind-power-plant-idUSKBN2200YC?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-north-dakota/north-dakota-coronavirus-cases-spike-with-outbreak-at-ge-wind-power-plant-idUSKBN2200YC?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews)

[boutons_deux]

An Overlooked, Possibly Fatal Coronavirus Crisis: A Dire Need for Kidney Dialysis

Ventilators aren’t the only machines in intensive care units that are in short supply.

Doctors have been confronting an unexpected rise in patients with failing kidneys.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/kidney-dialysis-coronavirus.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/kidney-dialysis-coronavirus.html)

[ElNono]

you didnt know that covid-19 briefings are campaign events?

Not really no, I didn't actually watch any of them. Don't really watch TV.

[Winehole23]

1251675485399945221

[picnroll]

The US shipped millions of masks to China earlier this year, despite warnings from experts that a pandemic was about to hit

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-reportedly-shipped-millions-of-masks-to-china-early-2020-2020-4

[midnightpulp]

The US shipped millions of masks to China earlier this year, despite warnings from experts that a pandemic was about to hit

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-reportedly-shipped-millions-of-masks-to-china-early-2020-2020-4

Trump loves China. Don't let the toothless tariffs and all that shit fool ya. Dear Leader even has properties over there and his airhead daughter was cutting trademark deals with them.

[midnightpulp]

1251656728317276162

1st world countries helping 3rd world countries. Love to see the generosity :tu

[midnightpulp]

For those following the IME model's projections, temper expectations (I still think it's useful to get a ballpark idea of trend, but I'd take the upper bound projection as more likely):

1251240184697380864

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1251696828543905792?s=19


:tu

[clambake]

joey must have spent 18 hours in a food line today

[Xevious]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1251696828543905792?s=19


:tu
In the internet age, how does it violate religious freedom or free speech to limit the number of people in a building?

[Xevious]

I mean, is it a violation of religious freedom for churches to have a maximum occupancy limit for fire safety reasons?

[Chris]

In the internet age, how does it violate religious freedom or free speech to limit the number of people in a building?

freedom to assemble

[clambake]

freedom to assemble

can i hire you a limo?

[FlAVaK]

But laws/orders/policies (whatever the correct term may be) to fight a pamdemic (Infektionsschutzgesetz in Germany) beats "freedom to assemble" and others to a certain degree!

Because saving lives is a higher goal/good than going to church...

[Blake]

freedom to assemble

You're pretty stupid

[midnightpulp]

freedom to assemble

So you don't believe in fire codes I take it (limiting occupants of a structure to certain number)?

[midnightpulp]

But laws/orders/policies (whatever the correct term may be) to fight a pamdemic (Infektionsschutzgesetz in Germany) beats "freedom to assemble" and others to a certain degree!

Because saving lives is a higher goal/good than going to church...

We're not like Germany. We're a nation of spoiled children who put our selfish, short term interests above a greater goal.

[ElNono]

Broomes' order does not let the churches have services without any restrictions. Instead, he ordered them to abide by recommendations for social distancing that people stay 6 feet apart and to continue following other practices the lawsuit said they had imposed, such as not using collection plates.

...

Many Kansas churches have moved services online, but the pastors and churches suing Kelly said they believe God calls them to engage in “corporate” prayer.

...

The judge's decision will remain in effect until May 2; he has a hearing scheduled Thursday in a lawsuit filed against Kelly by two churches and their pastors.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/federal-judge-blocks-kansas-limits-religious-gatherings-70228115

[picnroll]

Trump loves China. Don't let the toothless tariffs and all that shit fool ya. Dear Leader even has properties over there and his airhead daughter was cutting trademark deals with them.

Not just the US. China creates the problem and then buys up the worlds supply of PPE, then later marches back to the world as the hero selling it PPE. Near trick. There still playing games supplying PPE.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8178365/China-imported-2billion-masks-peak-coronavirus-crisis.html

[midnightpulp]

Not just the US. China creates the problem and then buys up the worlds supply of PPE, then later marches back to the world as the hero selling it PPE. Near trick. There still playing games supplying PPE.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8178365/China-imported-2billion-masks-peak-coronavirus-crisis.html

Yeah, definitely the biggest shitheels in the world. And Lord Trump isn't the one to take them on like his cult believes. Guy has 100 trademarks over there and they manufacture his daughter's junk :lol

I don't think any current Dem is brave enough, either.

[Winehole23]

Anecdotal so far, but similar stories have been reported in Japan, South Korea and Singapore:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/boston-doctor-says-covid-19-patients-come-back-to-hospital-sicker-2020-4

[boutons_deux]

The Old Lesbian from SC says nothing about how Trash and is kakistocracy has fatally botched the pandemic,

but is making lots of distracting noise about punishing China, thinking he can punch China hard and China won't or can't punch back

[Winehole23]

FiveThirtyEight article on the complex relationship between COVID-19 testing and case counts.

Tl;dr version


But if you’re not accounting for testing patterns, it can throw your conclusions entirely out of whack. You don’t just run the risk of being a little bit wrong: Your analysis could be off by an order of magnitude. Or even worse, you might be led in the opposite direction of what is actually happening. A country where the case count is increasing because it’s doing more testing, for instance, might actually be getting its epidemic under control. Alternatively, in a country where the reported number of new cases is declining, the situation could actually be getting worse, either because its system is too overwhelmed to do adequate testing or because it’s ramping down on testing for PR reasons.https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-case-counts-are-meaningless/

[midnightpulp]

FiveThirtyEight article on the complex relationship between COVID-19 testing and case counts.

Tl;dr version

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/coronavirus-case-counts-are-meaningless/

Hospitalizations per day might be the best stat we have to evaluate acceleration/decline.

[Winehole23]

Kerala is a small, relatively affluent, highly literate Indian state about the size of California.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/13/999313/kerala-fight-covid-19-india-coronavirus/

[Winehole23]

Hospitalizations per day might be the best stat we have to evaluate acceleration/decline.It's like we already gave up on adequate testing.

[picnroll]

Hospitalizations per day might be the best stat we have to evaluate acceleration/decline.

That’s what I’ve been monitoring all along. The data is not available in all states or locales though. It may not give you any where near infected/recovered data but its the most meaningful in terms of where we are healthcare-wise. This is one bitch of a virus, false negatives on diagnosis, false positives, false negatives on antibodies for immunity, questions if antibodies truly protect and if so for how long.

My bet is treatment will be here before meaningful and useful data on testing. Remdesivir is expected to report preliminary results in late April and possibly the 4,000 patient two arm trila divide between moderate and severely effected patients in May. If those trials bear similar results to the two smaller reported sets of data, mass production should ramp up as fast as possible. I can’t see the worldwide backlog of required reagents for effective testing being resolved quickly.

[boutons_deux]

Hospitalizations per day might be the best stat we have to evaluate acceleration/decline.

there is also a log between positive cases and hospitalization and deaths, because C19 doesn't get bad and kill quickly

USA is running now at nearly 2K deaths/day, at least 60K deaths / month.

USA is in the clear, so let's all get back to work.

War president Trash (to be court martialed for negligent manslaughter and dereliction of duty) has an election to win.

[boutons_deux]

Kerala is a small, relatively affluent, highly literate Indian state about the size of California.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/13/999313/kerala-fight-covid-19-india-coronavirus/

"WHO-recommended plan of contact tracing, isolation, and surveillance."

serious, committed, professional, trained career govt employees accepting serious guidance,

otoh, Trash's Exec is kakistocracy of political hit men, corporate lobbyists, toadies, sycophants, revolving door pricks on the make

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/789655/story_image/04-09-2020-mcfadden915px.png?1586475145

[picnroll]

Antibody Test, Seen as Key to Reopening Country, Does Not Yet Deliver

The tests, many made in China without F.D.A. approval, are often inaccurate. Some doctors are misusing them. The rollout is nowhere close to the demand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

[Winehole23]

Antibody Test, Seen as Key to Reopening Country, Does Not Yet Deliver

The tests, many made in China without F.D.A. approval, are often inaccurate. Some doctors are misusing them. The rollout is nowhere close to the demand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage DMC has been teasing a game changing, just in time, super sekrit solution for a week.

Wonder what the holdup is.

[boutons_deux]

Antibody Test, Seen as Key to Reopening Country, Does Not Yet Deliver

The tests, many made in China without F.D.A. approval, are often inaccurate. Some doctors are misusing them. The rollout is nowhere close to the demand.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage)

"In a federal guidance document on March 16, the F.D.A. required them to validate their results on their own :lol

and notify the agency that they had done so." :lol

self-regulated, aka UNregulated, FAILS every time, and the "regulatory-captured" FDA fucking knows it.

[boutons_deux]

Harvard Law Prof Laurence Tribe Under Fire For Apparently

Suggesting Mass Coronavirus Infection and Death to Solve Pandemic

In a Twitter post — which has since been removed :lol — Tribe wrote,

“Because it’s too late to contain COVID-19, there’s only one possible ending ??????? to the story:

We must collectively develop immunity to the disease.”

“In lieu of a vaccine, that means most of us will need to be exposed to the virus.

Some unknowably large number of us will therefore die,”

he argued, quickly inviting the scorn of other media commentators and college professors.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/harvard-law-prof-laurence-tribe-under-fire-for-apparently-suggesting-mass-coronavirus-infection-and-death-to-solve-pandemic/?utm_source=mostpopular (https://www.mediaite.com/politics/harvard-law-prof-laurence-tribe-under-fire-for-apparently-suggesting-mass-coronavirus-infection-and-death-to-solve-pandemic/?utm_source=mostpopular)

how about the "story ending" of developing TREATMENT drugs?

[Winehole23]

Harvard Law Prof Laurence Tribe Under Fire For Apparently

Suggesting Mass Coronavirus Infection and Death to Solve Pandemic

In a Twitter post — which has since been removed :lol — Tribe wrote,

“Because it’s too late to contain COVID-19, there’s only one possible ending ??????? to the story:

We must collectively develop immunity to the disease.”

“In lieu of a vaccine, that means most of us will need to be exposed to the virus.

Some unknowably large number of us will therefore die,”

he argued, quickly inviting the scorn of other media commentators and college professors.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/harvard-law-prof-laurence-tribe-under-fire-for-apparently-suggesting-mass-coronavirus-infection-and-death-to-solve-pandemic/?utm_source=mostpopular (https://www.mediaite.com/politics/harvard-law-prof-laurence-tribe-under-fire-for-apparently-suggesting-mass-coronavirus-infection-and-death-to-solve-pandemic/?utm_source=mostpopular)

how about the "story ending" of developing TREATMENT drugs?




Smart idiots abound on all sides.

[ChumpDumper]

Harvard Law Prof Laurence Tribe Under Fire For Apparently

Suggesting Mass Coronavirus Infection and Death to Solve Pandemic

In a Twitter post — which has since been removed :lol — Tribe wrote,

“Because it’s too late to contain COVID-19, there’s only one possible ending ??????? to the story:

We must collectively develop immunity to the disease.”

“In lieu of a vaccine, that means most of us will need to be exposed to the virus.

Some unknowably large number of us will therefore die,”

he argued, quickly inviting the scorn of other media commentators and college professors.

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/harvard-law-prof-laurence-tribe-under-fire-for-apparently-suggesting-mass-coronavirus-infection-and-death-to-solve-pandemic/?utm_source=mostpopular (https://www.mediaite.com/politics/harvard-law-prof-laurence-tribe-under-fire-for-apparently-suggesting-mass-coronavirus-infection-and-death-to-solve-pandemic/?utm_source=mostpopular)

how about the "story ending" of developing TREATMENT drugs?




He's pretty much describing the current plan. He just forgot to mention prayers, scapegoating and magical thinking.

[Thread]

He's pretty much describing the current plan. He just forgot to mention prayers, scapegoating and magical thinking.

+ China.

[ChumpDumper]

+ China.Already said scapegoating.

[Thread]

Already said scapegoating.

I was going to don you for never admitting you're wrong, but, you have that one in the books, so, I can't, but, (scapegoating?) Dumps?

That is sad.

[ChumpDumper]

I was going to don you for never admitting you're wrong, but, you have that one in the books, so, I can't, but, (scapegoating?) Dumps?

That is sad.Trump can't own his mistakes and has to find multiple scapegoats, but he's a terrible president.

That is sad.

[Spurminator]

freedom to assemble

Church good now. Did you finally start going or are you still a hermit Christian? I know it's hard for you to look at women.

[DMC]

Trump can't own his mistakes and has to find multiple scapegoats, but he's a terrible president.

That is sad.

It's always about principle when the right is in power, but about results and intent when it's the left. Of course, intent is hard to prove especially on a forum. Therefore all the hand waving over Trump's principles while ignoring anything positive from his administration just puts a dollar store price tag on your own opinion.

[baseline bum]

Antibody Test, Seen as Key to Reopening Country, Does Not Yet Deliver

The tests, many made in China without F.D.A. approval, are often inaccurate. Some doctors are misusing them. The rollout is nowhere close to the demand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/us/coronavirus-antibody-tests.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Yeah despite being really sick for a few days in March with a fever that peaked a little under 101 I'm just acting like I haven't had it when out in public and I don't want a faulty antibody test to give me a possibly false sense of security if it comes back positive.

[Winehole23]

It's always about principle when the right is in power, but about results and intent when it's the left. Of course, intent is hard to prove especially on a forum. Therefore all the hand waving over Trump's principles while ignoring anything positive from his administration just puts a dollar store price tag on your own opinion.
What are the big positives people have ignored, in your opinion?

[Splits]

Kerala is a small, relatively affluent, highly literate Indian state about the size of California.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/13/999313/kerala-fight-covid-19-india-coronavirus/

I have an employee in Hyderabad which got a visit from police 2 weeks ago. They tracked and traced him from a bus ride he took, in Hyderabad, with someone random who contracted in Mumbai. They interviewed him, took his blood, etc.

But we could "never" do that in the US...

[ChumpDumper]

It's always about principle when the right is in power, but about results and intent when it's the left. Of course, intent is hard to prove especially on a forum. Therefore all the hand waving over Trump's principles while ignoring anything positive from his administration just puts a dollar store price tag on your own opinion.Your ignoring anything Trump has done wrong just puts a zero price tag on your opinion. You're a shill and an apologist for a failed president.

[DMC]

Your ignoring anything Trump has done wrong just puts a zero price tag on your opinion. You're a shill and an apologist for a failed president.

You responded to a zero price tag opinion. You must be bargain shopping.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1251838313176207361

[ChumpDumper]

You responded to a zero price tag opinion. You must be bargain shopping.I'm telling you you're a shill and an apologist.

[Winehole23]

You responded to a zero price tag opinion. You must be bargain shopping.
What are are the Trump positives that have been ignored, in your opinion?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251912553602654214?s=19

[Splits]

leading from behind

[DMC]

What are are the Trump positives that have been ignored, in your opinion?

Show me the threads or posts you've made lauding the positive moves by Trump. I'll wait.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251912553602654214?s=19Why must they?

Why can't he step up and get the job done?

[ChumpDumper]

Show me the threads or posts you've made lauding the positive moves by Trump. I'll wait.Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic.

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[DMC]

Why must they?

Why can't he step up and get the job done?

Is it wetter under water if you're there when it rains?

How long is a stick?

Why is the sky blue?

[Spurs Homer]

Is it wetter under water if you're there when it rains?

How long is a stick?

Why is the sky blue?


what is the sound of one hand clapping?


what if that hand is yellow and fat?

[Winehole23]

Is it wetter under water if you're there when it rains?

How long is a stick?

Why is the sky blue?You've discounted the opinions of other posters because they elide Trump's positives.

What are those positives, in your opinion?

[ChumpDumper]

Is it wetter under water if you're there when it rains?

How long is a stick?

Why is the sky blue?I know you have no answers.

[vy65]

I actually agree with Tribe. If our leadership was too inept to do the things we needed for an eventual re-opening of the economy, then Shutdown 2020 was pointless and we may as well go through with herd immunity.

[DMC]

I actually agree with Tribe. If our leadership was too inept to do the things we needed for an eventual re-opening of the economy, then Shutdown 2020 was pointless and we may as well go through with herd immunity.

+1

But we're probably on the lifeboat already based on our ages and lack of underlying medical conditions.

[ChumpDumper]

I actually agree with Tribe. If our leadership was too inept to do the things we needed for an eventual re-opening of the economy, then Shutdown 2020 was pointless and we may as well go through with herd immunity.He's describing the actual plan. Trump is too afraid to admit it.

[Winehole23]

You've discounted the opinions of other posters because they elide Trump's positives.

What are those positives, in your opinion?Here, I'll go first. I liked the criminal justice reform.

[DMC]

Here, I'll go first. I liked the criminal justice reform.

Nothing to do with COVID.

Show the threads lauding Trump for this.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing to do with COVID.

Show the threads lauding Trump for this.
Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic.

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[baseline bum]

I actually agree with Tribe. If our leadership was too inept to do the things we needed for an eventual re-opening of the economy, then Shutdown 2020 was pointless and we may as well go through with herd immunity.

We're probably just going to shut down again later on because Trump probably can't get elected on 1 million dead.

[baseline bum]

Of course if Trump would have just ramped up testing and contact tracing early on in January like South Korea did he'd have been a shoo-in for re-election.

[Winehole23]

I actually agree with Tribe. If our leadership was too inept to do the things we needed for an eventual re-opening of the economy, then Shutdown 2020 was pointless and we may as well go through with herd immunity.


+1

But we're probably on the lifeboat already based on our ages and lack of underlying medical conditions.
Lazy nihilism throws up its hands and says, not just that nothing is to be done, but (with total arrogance and total lack of justification) that doing nothing is the only acceptable course of action.

Y'all have no idea what herd immunity is or how to get there. Political pronation before a pandemic doesn't necessarily get us there.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course if Trump would have just ramped up testing and contact tracing early on in January like South Korea did he'd have been a shoo-in for re-election.See DMC?

It's as easy as that.

That's something Trump did wrong.

[Winehole23]

Nothing to do with COVID.

Show the threads lauding Trump for this.
Look it up yourself.

"Criminal justice reform" and "Trump" are your search terms.

[DMC]

Lazy nihilism throws up its hands and says, not just that nothing is to be done, but (with total arrogance and total lack of justification) that doing nothing is the only acceptable course of action.

Y'all have no idea what herd immunity is or how to get there. Political pronation before a pandemic doesn't necessarily get us there.

Tell us in your wine wisdom oh great oracle of oration, how your background in pandemics and virology brought you to this conclusion?

[vy65]

+1

But we're probably on the lifeboat already based on our ages and lack of underlying medical conditions.

That leadership starts with Trump. Odd you’d agree when you were just singing his praises a few posts ago

[vy65]

Seems to me really easy for dear leader to not bailout worthless industries like cruise liners, force corporations like Ruth’s Chris to cough up their abuse of CARES Act loopholes, penalize banks from making profits on PPP administration, and throw that money to testing. Why doesn’t he?

[DMC]

Look it up yourself.

"Criminal justice reform" and "Trump" are your search terms.

You didn't have any threads about it.

I did find this gem though.. thanks for supporting my argument.


you have the never giving Republicans credit for anything disease.

face it, it's an objective cognitive problem.

[DMC]

Seems to me really easy for dear leader to not bailout worthless industries like cruise liners, force corporations like Ruth’s Chris to cough up their abuse of CARES Act loopholes, penalize banks from making profits on PPP administration, and throw that money to testing. Why doesn’t he?

You probably deal with corporate issues. You probably know why.

[vy65]

You probably deal with corporate issues. You probably know why.

This is not even a coherent thought

[ChumpDumper]

DMC shit himself in the face of two simple questions just like every Trump apologist that has been asked.

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic.

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[Winehole23]

You didn't have any threads about it.

I did find this gem though.. thanks for supporting my argument.I included praise for Trump in this thread giving props to the Texas GOP:


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274348&page=2&p=9604013&viewfull=1#post9604013

[DMC]

This is not even a coherent thought

Name the cruise liner company and I'll show you.

[Winehole23]

This is not even a coherent thoughtDMC is flailing.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC is flailing.This is about the time where he goes to personal insults exclusively.

[DMC]

I included praise for Trump in this thread giving props to the Texas GOP:


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274348&page=2&p=9604013&viewfull=1#post9604013

This is the bulk of your praise...
DJT comes out in favor of sentencing reform:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/tough-on-crime-comes-out-for-sentencing-reform/

Followed by this


really, nobody likes this?

If you're trying to exonerate yourself, fine. Just don't ride in on your neutral colored horse to defend the tainted and use your neutrality as a shield.

[DMC]

This is about the time where he goes to personal insults exclusively.

Ironic unsolicited response

[ChumpDumper]

Ironic unsolicited responseI haven't gotten a response from you on this:

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic?

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[picnroll]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251912553602654214?s=19
When Trump says “We will be with you all the way” what exactly does that mean? What will he be doing? Can not wait for your answer.

[DMC]

I haven't gotten a response from you on this:

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic?

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

Start another thread or are you the most important poster here and get to interject your own derail at your leisure?

[ChumpDumper]

Start another thread or are you the most important poster here and get to interject your own derail at your leisure?This is the coronavirus thread. It fits in here just fine.

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic?

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[Winehole23]

This is the bulk of your praise...

Followed by this



If you're trying to exonerate yourself, fine. Just don't ride in on your neutral colored horse to defend the tainted and use your neutrality as a shield.
I never claimed to be neutral, but it's objectively false to suggest that I'm unwilling/incapable giving DJT determinate praise -- unlike you.

You haven't mentioned a single positive attribute of Trump or his policies.

Just what are these.positive things about Trump you've accused others of ignoring?

[DMC]

I never claimed to be neutral, but it's objectively false to suggest that I'm unwilling/incapable giving DJT determinate praise -- unlike you.

You haven't mentioned a single positive attribute of Trump or his policies.

Just what are these.positive things about Trump you've accused others of ignoring?

But your personal stance doesn't equate to the board average. If you're going to intervene with a defense for "them", you'll need to reference "them" not "you".

But you're suspect as well.

The fact you cannot list anything positive from the administration basically illustrates my point.

[DMC]

This is the coronavirus thread. It fits in here just fine.

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic?

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

Show me where you asked that originally. Pretty sure I addressed it.

[ElNono]

It's always about principle when the right is in power, but about results and intent when it's the left. Of course, intent is hard to prove especially on a forum. Therefore all the hand waving over Trump's principles while ignoring anything positive from his administration just puts a dollar store price tag on your own opinion.

The right sleeps in the bed they made when it comes to this. When they were not in power, it's always about the moral high ground and principle (a good example is the evils of deficit spending). This is far from a Trump administration flaw, though, happened with dubya too, but nonetheless, they've been a great example of do-what-I-say-not-what-I-do...

[ChumpDumper]

But your personal stance doesn't equate to the board average. If you're going to intervene with a defense for "them", you'll need to reference "them" not "you".

But you're suspect as well.

The fact you cannot list anything positive from the administration basically illustrates my point.As individuals we can only be held to our personal stances.

That said....what is your personal stance?

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic?

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where you asked that originally. Pretty sure I addressed it.Nope.

Shouldn't be difficult questions for you.

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic?

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

[CosmicCowboy]

This is the coronavirus thread. It fits in here just fine.

Has Trump made any mistakes RE: this pandemic?

Yes or no.

If yes, what were those mistakes?

It would be nice if we could keep one thread actually about the coronavirus and not you and boutons TDS repetitive bullshit. There are plenty of other threads going for you to shit on Trump.