Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Reck]

One thing I keep seeing is how many places make people line up to get into the store. One supermarket was only letting a handful of people into the store.

I just have one question, what do they think they're doing my making people queue up while waiting to get in? :lol

The lines aren't short and they're not spaced out.

[ChumpDumper]

I just find this situation funny because conservatives sure are singing a different tune about capitalism right now. Even Dear Leader, via the defense production act, is behaving socialist. That said, I'm a capitalist, but not a total capitalist. There's some areas where it's just incompatible due to serious conflicts of interests.Yeah, the fig leaf has been ripped off a lot of institutions that weren't working all that well in the first place.

[SnakeBoy]

There is your shutdown challenge. Understand all the technical stuff in there. (bookmarks) Fun weekend project. I got a lot of that stuff, but there is enough vocab to occupy a few days.

Well I've been reading these studies for a couple of months. I've had to google a lot. Still will never reach a level of full understanding unless I wanted to pursue a PhD, which I don't.


+1

Inheirited a lot of mom's food hoard, but Dad and I still need eggs and stuff once per week. Probably enough canned goods to not have to go to the store at all for a month.

At some point, I have to wonder "is it really worth it to get X"? increasingly... those gravy packets look more and more edible. heh

Funny thing is we live on 7 acres and have 16 chickens so we get at least a dozen eggs a day. Before this we couldn't give enough of them away and I fed a lot of them to my dogs. Now everyone wants them and my wife takes them all to work to give away everyday, always saying we'll have more for us tomorrow. Sixteen chickens I can't make a fucking omelette for breakfast during the week wtf.

[apalisoc_9]

Piece of shit hobby lobby.

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I wonder if you can get unemployment if your POS employers fire you because you refused to work during a pandemic for a business that clearly isn't essential. I know you can't get EI here if you do get fired.

[RandomGuy]

lol Hindsight expert will be a career description by the end of this pandemic

We had a team of experts. Trump got rid of it.
We had a plan. Trump lost it.
We had a practice. Trump turnover got rid of 70% of the people who took part.
We had calls for more practice. Trump's yes men ignored them.
We had an CDC expert embedded in Chinese ministry to coordinate. Trump got hid of him.

https://imgur.com/uzcmQF9?fbclid=IwAR0ErKS0NRVxZ9fb34C6QpKNYU1H2teWh vWj5I0RaVjzpjFbVmyM1jMUn7w

Didn't need hindsight. We knew what do to from day one.

Trump bunglefucked every step of the way, playing down the threat until it got so bad the grown ups had to re-assert themselves. Loyalty and ideological purity over competence.

Fucking idiot conservative voters love fucking idiots.

Why do conservatives think morons make good leaders?

[DarrinS]

One thing I keep seeing is how many places make people line up to get into the store. One supermarket was only letting a handful of people into the store.

I just have one question, what do they think they're doing my making people queue up while waiting to get in? :lol

The lines aren't short and they're not spaced out.



Good point. At the HEB stores here in SA, they keep people apart before you enter. You can't go in until they disinfect the cart and tell you to go in. At checkout, there's spaces on the floor to let you know where to stand.

It's not perfect, but better than nothing.

[Reck]

Is Snakeboy part of that solid 40% Trump base? I thought he was a soft supporter like CC. Flexible when needed, etc.

Trump and his admin has since been handling the crisis more serious now but you cant be defending their actions---or inactions since February when they were actually briefed on the virus and were told this could get bad and they brushed it off as a hoax. Then later played it down to it being just like the flu.

[DarrinS]

Funny thing is we live on 7 acres and have 16 chickens so we get at least a dozen eggs a day. Before this we couldn't give enough of them away and I fed a lot of them to my dogs. Now everyone wants them and my wife takes them all to work to give away everyday, always saying we'll have more for us tomorrow. Sixteen chickens I can't make a fucking omelette for breakfast during the week wtf.

7 acres -- I'm feeling safe just having one. :tu

[RandomGuy]

Is Snakeboy part of that solid 40% Trump base? I thought he was a soft supporter like CC. Flexible when needed, etc.

Trump and his admin has since been handling the crisis more serious now but you cant be defending their actions---or inactions since February when they were actually briefied on the virus and were told this could get bad and they brushed it off as a hoax. Then later played it down to it being just like the flu.

SB is obviously intelligent. I would lay odds he checks the box for him both times though. Too embedded in the conservative echo chamber to do otherwise. He is a slave to his confirmation bias, like most conservatives.

He will vote for Trump, but not defend him, because he is smart enough to know Trump is a POS.

My guess.

[Nathan89]

Capitalism bad now.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/04/02/trump-hits-3m-for-selling-masks-to-foreign-governments-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-n2566277

But props to Dear Leader for his second stopped clocked moment during this shitshow. Also, been saying this for years. The profit motive and saving lives is fundamentally incompatible. This 3M situation is an example of that.

The masks will still save lives. They just won't be American lives.

[DarrinS]

If you're one of the hundreds of thousands of people who came back from China, because you JUST had to visit those relatives, ...

FUCK YOU!

[DMX7]

Lots of Americans didn’t get it directly from China but indirectly from places like Italy, Iran, etc.

[DMX7]

double post

[slick'81]

This is really getting worse,and worse with no end in sight

[SnakeBoy]

SB is obviously intelligent. I would lay odds he checks the box for him both times though. Too embedded in the conservative echo chamber to do otherwise. He is a slave to his confirmation bias, like most conservatives.

He will vote for Trump, but not defend him, because he is smart enough to know Trump is a POS.

My guess.

Trump is incredibly flawed but the reason I don't spend time defending him on here is because it's a waste of time. You'll be voting for Joe Biden's corpse no matter what and Trump's getting 4 more years.

[Reck]

and Trump's getting 4 more years.

Any reasoning behind this statement?

[SnakeBoy]

Any reasoning behind this statement?

All time high approval rating and Joe Biden's corpse

[DarrinS]

Lots of Americans didn’t get it directly from China but indirectly from places like Italy, Iran, etc.


Yeah, I know. I'm sure a lot of NYC was seeded from Italy, but Italy was seeded from China.

[ChumpDumper]

All time high approval rating and Joe Biden's corpseIf polls good now don't look at the swing states.

[Reck]

All time high approval rating and Joe Biden's corpse

47% is not exactly bragging rights. That's a whopping 2 points better than what he has been the last 4 years.

Didn't busch himself have an 90+ percent approval rating during 9/11? Trump cant manage 50% during this crisis.

Long way from November though.

[Nathan89]

I love how everyone is now turning into a nationalist during a pandemic. 3m apparently needs to prioritize American lives over the lives of people in other countries. I'm just wondering what happened to all the bleeding hearts.

[ChumpDumper]

I love how everyone is now turning into a nationalist during a pandemic. 3m apparently needs to prioritize American lives over the lives of people in other countries. I'm just wondering what happened to all the bleeding hearts.Free market failed you pretty hard this time around, eh? Let's make sure we don't talk about that.

[ElNono]

lol all those "America fuck yeah" commentators when they find out the US was involved too. :lol

It's Ry:loln S:lol:lolvedr:lol, tbh... basically fake news

[SnakeBoy]

Free market failed you pretty hard this time around, eh? Let's make sure we don't talk about that.

How's that globalism working out for you?

[ChumpDumper]

How's that globalism working out for you?Woulda worked out much better with a responsible, serious president.

Sorry your Trump is such a failure.

But you don't want to talk about that....

[SnakeBoy]

Woulda worked out much better with a responsible, serious president.

Sorry your Trump is such a failure.

But you don't want to talk about that....

No need to debate. We'll see who's a failure in November. Assuming Joe Biden's corpse makes it out of the bunker by then. I hope it does, I really want to hear it tell us what a friend we have in China.

[ElNono]

No need to debate. We'll see who's a failure in November. Assuming Joe Biden's corpse makes it out of the bunker by then. I hope it does, I really want to hear it tell us what a friend we have in China.

You'll have 4 years (ok, maybe 2) to listen to old Joe, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

No need to debate. We'll see who's a failure in November.Trump's an abject failure now and forever will be known for his failure here. No need to debate.

Sorry your guy is such a failure. Should've taken your choice more seriously. Now we all have to live and die with his failure.

[midnightpulp]

I love how everyone is now turning into a nationalist during a pandemic. 3m apparently needs to prioritize American lives over the lives of people in other countries. I'm just wondering what happened to all the bleeding hearts.

Why do you think "bleeding hearts" don't prioritize American lives?

Bleeding hearts are typically against things like war and nation building (two conservative past times) that usually sees a sacrifice of American lives to fight boogeymen or make defense contractors rich. You might respond with the open borders canard, and sure, there's some fat Left loons who want that, but most reasonable Liberals would just like to see the immigration process refined so it isn't such a clusterfuck of red tape. Any immigrant who desires to contribute should be given the opportunity to become an American citizen (aren't you an immigrant? An actual nationalist would never, ever allow you any type of path to citizenship and would turn you away as soon as your foot crossed the border, so I hope you don't side with them).

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you think "bleeding hearts" don't prioritize American lives?

Bleeding hearts are typically against things like war and nation building (two conservative past times) that usually sees a sacrifice of American lives to fight boogeymen or make defense contractors rich. You might respond with the open borders canard, and sure, there's some fat Left loons who want that, but most reasonable Liberals would just like to see the immigration process refined so it isn't such a clusterfuck of red tape. Any immigrant who desires to contribute should be given the opportunity to become an American citizen (aren't you an immigrant? An actual nationalist would never, ever allow you any type of path to citizenship and would turn you away as soon as your foot crossed the border).Weird. When the emergency is here have we ever prioritized anything but the emergency here?

Nathan never makes much sense.

[ElNono]

3M got kinda fucked when China basically nationalized their company and stopped exports from there back in February.

And again, the reason we have laws like the DPA is because most of these companies are not unipersonal, they're run by a board, and decisions have to be made primarily on the premise of company value and shareholder returns.

Companies that have a more direct leadership like Tesla have been more direct about shifting production to ventilators, etc.

[midnightpulp]

How's that globalism working out for you?

Many liberals are against globalism because of the exploitation of labor and trampling of human rights it necessitates. Not sure Chump's position here, though.

I would call myself a "soft globalist" ideally. We shouldn't trade with bad actors and opaque governments (like China). And if a product must be manufactured outside of the US, we should ensure the workers doing that manufacturing are paid a fair living wage per their country's cost of living, while also ensuring they have the same worker's rights as they do here or in other developed countries.

[DarrinS]

I know this is the political forum, but FFS, can't we have some common ground?

I think we all just want this to end ASAP, no?

This is going to be a ROUGH month or two. I wish you all the best.

[Nathan89]

Why do you think "bleeding hearts" don't prioritize American lives?

Bleeding hearts are typically against things like war and nation building (two conservative past times) that usually sees a sacrifice of American lives to fight boogeymen or make defense contractors rich. You might respond with the open borders canard, and sure, there's some fat Left loons who want that, but most reasonable Liberals would just like to see the immigration process refined so it isn't such a clusterfuck of red tape. Any immigrant who desires to contribute should be given the opportunity to become an American citizen (aren't you an immigrant? An actual nationalist would never, ever allow you any type of path to citizenship and would turn you away as soon as your foot crossed the border, so I hope you don't side with them).

There wasn't a single reasonable liberal running for President. They are basically irrelevant.

We accept a ton of legal immigrants. Red tape is basically irrelevant because of that reality. Just fast tracking massive amounts of immigrants to turn more states like Virginia isn't the solution.

Also the leftistswere outraged at the idea that immigrants should be able to care for themselves. Reasonable liberals are silent and irrelevant.

I was born in America.

They are prioritizing America now because they are going to be hurt now. Usually they political gain and they don't give a shit.

[ChumpDumper]

Many liberals are against globalism because of the exploitation of labor and trampling of human rights it necessitates. Not sure Chump's position here, though.

I would call myself a "soft globalist" ideally. We shouldn't trade with bad actors and opaque governments (like China). And if a product must be manufactured outside of the US, we should ensure the workers doing that manufacturing are paid a fair living wage per their country's cost of living, while also ensuring they have the same worker's rights as they do here or in other developed countries.The globalism cat is out of the bag. The race to the bottom has led to an over-reliance on China which needs to be mitigated. Doesn't seem impossible.

[DAF86]

It's Ry:loln S:lol:lolvedr:lol, tbh... basically fake news

That 2015 doesn't seem to be fake news though.

[midnightpulp]

I know this is the political forum, but FFS, can't we have some common ground?

I think we all just want this to end ASAP, no?

This is going to be a ROUGH month or two. I wish you all the best.

What I tried to do with heroes and bunglers thread. ANYONE who at ANY POINT downplayed this situation should be "axed," regardless of the letter beside the name. Many Ds fucked up and Dear Leader fucked up. But I just don't get the stubborn insistence of "the base" regarding Trump? He's a billionaire politician. We shouldn't "give a shit" about politicians. They aren't our "leaders," they are our employees, and they are disposable employees at that. This country has collectively forgotten how to relate to politicians. They shouldn't be heroes, leaders, idols, etc. They're instruments that are supposed to represent our collective will, and when the instrument fails, you get a new one. We shouldn't get emotionally attached to any of these slippery fucks.

[Nathan89]

Anyone have data on tests per day. I keep seeing 100k+ but I'm getting a hunch that the growth has stalled shortly above 100k. So if you have a link to a graph or something I'm interested.

[ChumpDumper]

What I tried to do with heroes and bunglers thread. ANYONE who at ANY POINT downplayed this situation should be "axed," regardless of the letter beside the name. Many Ds fucked up and Dear Leader fucked up. But I just don't get the stubborn insistence of "the base" regarding Trump? He's a billionaire politician. We shouldn't "give a shit" about politicians. They aren't our "leaders," they are our employees, and they are disposable employees at that. This country has collectively forgotten how to relate to politicians. They shouldn't be heroes, leaders, idols, etc. They're instruments that are supposed to represent our collective will, and when the instrument fails, you get a new one. We shouldn't get emotionally attached to any of these slippery fucks.Right. Why should I not be angry at all the Mayor Vaughns who fucked up and in many cases are still fucking up? Most were told what could happen then decided doing nothing or actively downplaying the threat was the BEST course of action. R or D, they deserve every bit of scorn thrown at them. We owe it to the dead to hold them accountable.

[midnightpulp]

There wasn't a single reasonable liberal running for President. They are basically irrelevant.

We accept a ton of legal immigrants. Red tape is basically irrelevant because of that reality. Just fast tracking massive amounts of immigrants to turn more states like Virginia isn't the solution.

Also the leftistswere outraged at the idea that immigrants should be able to care for themselves. Reasonable liberals are silent and irrelevant.

I was born in America.

They are prioritizing America now because they are going to be hurt now. Usually they political gain and they don't give a shit.

Your average Honduran migrant who wants to come here and pick peaches or work at under the table wages in construction usually can't afford an immigration lawyer. I know it's easy to say, "Just save," but easier said than done. And this is where you have to weigh the moral quandary of the situation. Allowing him to become an American citizen might save his life and the life of his family. Does doing that cost the life an American? Probably not. So the analogy to masks isn't apt.

We can say he might be driving down the value of American blue collar work, but probably only in certain trades. I don't think many Americans would be crazy about picking fruits and vegetables. Additionally, "skilled" labor via H1B1 visas has probably driven down the value of American labor value in the tech sector more than anything else.

And guess what? This also is a consequence of unregulated capitalism.

My solution to stop the influx of illegals from south of the border is to build up industry there. Illegal immigration from Mexico has declined ever since automobile and such companies built factories there. Now do the same throughout Central America (perhaps bring those factories from China to there). For the H1B1 issue, put a cap on how many H1B1s a company can hire relative to the size of their workforce.

[ElNono]

Anyone have data on tests per day. I keep seeing 100k+ but I'm getting a hunch that the growth has stalled shortly above 100k. So if you have a link to a graph or something I'm interested.

some numbers here...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/02/coronavirus-testing-number-labs-covid/5099458002/

apparently there's also a backlog slowing things down

[Nathan89]

Your average Honduran migrant who wants to come here and pick peaches or work at under the table wages in construction usually can't afford an immigration lawyer. I know it's easy to say, "Just save," but easier said than done. And this is where you have to weigh the moral quandary of the situation. Allowing him to become an American citizen might save his life and the life of his family. Does doing that cost the life an American? Probably not. So the analogy to masks isn't apt.

We can say he might be driving down the value of American blue collar work, but probably only in certain trades. I don't think many Americans would be crazy about picking fruits and vegetables. Additionally, "skilled" labor via H1B1 visas has probably driven down the value of American labor value in the tech sector more than anything else.

And guess what? This also is a consequence of unregulated capitalism.

My solution to stop the influx of illegals from south of the border is to build up industry there. Illegal immigration from Mexico has declined ever since automobile and such companies built factories there. Now do the same throughout Central America (perhaps bring those factories from China to there). For the H1B1 issue, put a cap on how many H1B1s a company can hire relative to the size of their workforce.

Black Americans lined-up for the jobs illegals were taking from them after some massive raids in 2019.

Agreed we should shift manufacturing to the Americas. I'd also start cutting the money we send all over the world and focus it in these countries.

[MannyIsGod]

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Don't fully agree with this. The market is defined however consumers define it and in situations like this it could well be the needs of the country or people. The problem isn't that at ta time like this it becomes important, its that ONLY at a time like this it becomes important.

[ElNono]

Black Americans lined-up for the jobs illegals were taking from them after some massive raids in 2019.

Agreed we should shift manufacturing to the Americas. I'd also start cutting the money we send all over the world and focus it in these countries.

It's a money equation. If Americas would be cheaper than Asia, that's where it'll go. Unfortunately, certain Asian countries are still much cheaper than South/Central America.

[MannyIsGod]

What I tried to do with heroes and bunglers thread. ANYONE who at ANY POINT downplayed this situation should be "axed," regardless of the letter beside the name. Many Ds fucked up and Dear Leader fucked up. But I just don't get the stubborn insistence of "the base" regarding Trump? He's a billionaire politician. We shouldn't "give a shit" about politicians. They aren't our "leaders," they are our employees, and they are disposable employees at that. This country has collectively forgotten how to relate to politicians. They shouldn't be heroes, leaders, idols, etc. They're instruments that are supposed to represent our collective will, and when the instrument fails, you get a new one. We shouldn't get emotionally attached to any of these slippery fucks.

Yup party affiliation doesn't matter. Ohio governor is a Republican and he was on this shit early. Dems have definitely fucked up too. DGAF about party. I GAF about who listened to the people who know.

[MannyIsGod]

Not for nothing but the reason many people hate Trump is because it was clear he was going to be a huge fuck up at a time like this. The chances of him going 4 years without a major crisis were low. And we knew when one came, he would fuck it up. And he has.

[ElNono]

Don't fully agree with this. The market is defined however consumers define it and in situations like this it could well be the needs of the country or people. The problem isn't that at ta time like this it becomes important, its that ONLY at a time like this it becomes important.

Unfortunately in crisis situations like this one, which normally bring scarcity, the market dictates that prices should go up. We call it gouging, but it's really a typical case of supply and demand.

That, as you know, brings all sorts of problems. From medical supplies to elementary stuff like food or toilet paper, it's the poor that end up getting the shorter end of the stick. And it can cost lives too.

[Nathan89]

This virus really needs people to take even more extreme measures to slow the growth. For instance, if a household has one person that's going out to work then they should probably do their best to isolate at home. But I haven't seen anyone make recommend steps like that. That person is overwhelming coming home and cuddling with their partner who will be doing things with the kids all day.

[clambake]

I know this is the political forum, but FFS, can't we have some common ground?

I think we all just want this to end ASAP, no?

This is going to be a ROUGH month or two. I wish you all the best.
spot on darrrin, but there's a problem

the guy in charge let people die....lost millions of jobs....tanked the economy....


all for himself.

[ElNono]

This virus really needs people to take even more extreme measures to slow the growth. For instance, if a household has one person that's going out to work then they should probably do their best to isolate at home. But I haven't seen anyone make recommend steps like that. That person is overwhelming coming home and cuddling with their partner who will be doing things with the kids all day.

I've seen recommendations like that. ie: for people with sleep apnea, to sleep in separate rooms if possible, due to the virus becoming aerosol and going much farther distance.

Another reason CPAP machines, which are readily available, are not used in this case as first-stage respiratory aids (they normally are in hospitals, etc).

[SnakeBoy]

Many liberals are against globalism because of the exploitation of labor and trampling of human rights it necessitates. Not sure Chump's position here, though.

I would call myself a "soft globalist" ideally. We shouldn't trade with bad actors and opaque governments (like China). And if a product must be manufactured outside of the US, we should ensure the workers doing that manufacturing are paid a fair living wage per their country's cost of living, while also ensuring they have the same worker's rights as they do here or in other developed countries.

We non libertarian conservatives call that Free and Fair Trade. First championed by Reagan, then an abandoned idea for 28 years, now Trump has taken it for his own. Both parties have been guilty of buying into the libertarian lie that "free" trade will magically make shitty regimes become nice ones.

[SnakeBoy]

I know this is the political forum, but FFS, can't we have some common ground?

I think we all just want this to end ASAP, no?

This is going to be a ROUGH month or two. I wish you all the best.

I've been saying since early in this thread, this is the 5th endemic human coronavirus. It's not going to just end, it's endemic now. Hopefully therapies will work to lessen loss of life so buying time is worth it. Hopefully weather affects it's transmission to buy some more time. Just don't be fooled into thinking it's just going to stop.

These guys whining about political parties don't seem to be able to grasp what is happening globally.

Listen to Dr. Mike Osterholm. He's the real deal, advised multiple administrations, friends with Fauci etc. He'll never be the public face of this though because he's too fucking honest.

[clambake]

Listen to Dr. Mike Osterholm. He's the real deal, advised multiple administrations, friends with Fauci etc. He'll never be the public face of this though because he's too fucking honest.

so....the guy you still support would silence him.



thanks for all your help.

[Blake]

Black Americans lined-up for the jobs illegals were taking from them after some massive raids in 2019.

Link?

[Spurtacular]

Link?

Ask your bull.

[ElNono]

Trump hasn't ordered any ventilators from GM, despite saying he was using wartime powers to force production

WASHINGTON – Nearly a week after invoking his powers under a Korean War-era law to compel General Motors to manufacture ventilators for coronavirus, President Donald Trump’s administration has not formally ordered any of the machines, USA TODAY has learned.

As governors warn of severe shortages of ventilators, Trump has been hesitant to use his wartime powers to force companies to ramp up production under the Defense Production Act, arguing that such an order amounts to a takeover of private industry.

But Trump said Friday he would use the act to require General Motors to make ventilators after what he described as a dispute with the company over supply and pricing. Three administration officials speaking on the condition of anonymity told USA TODAY that the government is still exploring its options and has not yet placed an order under the Defense Production Act for any of the machines.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency "continues to work within its authorities to coordinate with the private sector," an agency spokesperson who declined to be identified said when asked about the lack of an order to GM. Federal agencies are "in the process of reviewing these delegated authorities," the person said.

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On Friday, Trump told reporters that he thought Washington had an agreement with General Motors to manufacture the ventilators but said the company lowered its estimate of how many units it could produce and that "price became a big object." The president then said he would use his powers under the Defense Production Act to force the automaker to start work on the machines.

"I invoked the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to accept, perform, and prioritize federal contracts for ventilators," Trump said. "This invocation of the DPA should demonstrate clearly to all that we will not hesitate to use the full authority of the federal government to combat this crisis."

In fact, Trump actually took a less significant step: He signed a memorandum delegating "available" authorities under the act to Azar. The health department has been working since then with FEMA and other federal agencies to figure out how to execute Trump's wishes.

Peter Navarro, who Trump named as his point person on the Defense Production Act, told Politico on Thursday that the administration was relying on voluntary updates from the company. Navarro did not respond to questions about the act from USA TODAY.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/02/coronavirus-trump-said-force-gm-build-ventilators-he-hasnt/5100856002/

[Xevious]

This virus really needs people to take even more extreme measures to slow the growth. For instance, if a household has one person that's going out to work then they should probably do their best to isolate at home. But I haven't seen anyone make recommend steps like that. That person is overwhelming coming home and cuddling with their partner who will be doing things with the kids all day.
Many people are doing just that. I know a lot of people in healthcare who have sent their families away while they continue to go to work.

[ElNono]

FEMA tells lawmakers most new ventilators won't be ready until June

Most of the 100,000 ventilators that President Donald Trump promised the U.S. would obtain won't be available until June, Federal Emergency Management Agency officials told the House Oversight Committee this week.

FEMA officials, according to a readout of a pair of briefings by the panel's Democrats, indicated that a shortage of ventilators would worsen by the middle of this month before the coronavirus outbreak peaks. FEMA indicated there were just 9,500 ventilators in the national stockpile, with just 3,200 more expected by the week of April 13, the tail end of what Trump described recently as a "painful two weeks" as the outbreak is expected to worsen.

Most of the ventilators Trump said would be ready before the end of June won't be available until that month "at the earliest," the Oversight Committee said FEMA indicated.

FEMA officials told committee members in a March 30 meeting and briefed the top Democrat and Republican at an April 1 briefing.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/02/fema-coronavirus-ventilators-161840

[Nathan89]

Many people are doing just that. I know a lot of people in healthcare who have sent their families away while they continue to go to work.

Yeah, I've seen stories about people in healthcare doing this but I don't think this practice is being implemented by very many people outside of that. Hopefully I'm wrong though.

[Winehole23]

Hard to believe Trump ran his idiot son in law at us yesterday to lecture is about how smart he is, what a great manager he is, and the purpose of the national stockpile

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[CosmicCowboy]

we need to start wearing masks d

CDC knows this but isn't gonna say it until they have made sure health care workers and first responders have enough.

[ElNono]

Hard to believe Trump ran his idiot son in law at us yesterday to lecture is about how smart he is, what a great manager he is, and the purpose of the national stockpile

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An administration run by fucking morons and liars, there's no other way to put it.

[CosmicCowboy]

The Federal government is by nature painfully slow to respond to anything urgent. I deal with them all the time on contracts. They are constrained by multiple restraints passed by congress that even events that might be considered emergencies by those on the ground getting all the paperwork done can take weeks.

[apalisoc_9]

An administration run by fucking morons and liars, there's no other way to put it.

America has a very sizable amount of morons and liars, there's no other way to put it.

just stick around spurstalk, you'll know why these guys are in power.

[Pelicans78]

What I don't get about all these doctor's claims is how they've been treating "all their patients" with hydroxychloroquine when the FDA just approved prescription outside clinical trials a few days ago. He's been a part of these trials or breaking the law? If he's part of the trials, he's asking his sons instead to do the analysis?

It’s not breaking the law using a medication if not FDA approved for that indication.

[RandomGuy]

Trump is incredibly flawed but the reason I don't spend time defending him on here is because it's a waste of time. You'll be voting for Joe Biden's corpse no matter what and Trump's getting 4 more years.

:lol 4 more years

Looks like I was pretty much spot on.

As I said, embedded int he conservative echo chamber, and a slave to cognitive bias.

Trump won the electoral college by 77,000 votes, a razor thin margin of less than 1% in three states He cannot keep talent, surrounds himself with yesmen, and is less popular now than he was when he took office. His one saving grace, the economy, which he up until now had managed not to fuck up is gone.

He is attacking Michigans governor, one of those three states, where he wont by 0.4%, or ten thousand votes. By "attacking" I mean denying supplies in a pandemic.

That doesn't play well with voters. His obvious bungling of the pandemic is already producing some scathing ads.

It boggles the mind that someone as smart as yourself can't get over your own cognitive bias. smh

Conservatives in general suck at that, it is sort of the definition of conservative. If you were good at evaluating information, testing your own underlying assumptions, and critical thinking, you probably wouldn't be a conservative.

White millennials are not leaving the Democratic party.

[ElNono]

Hard to believe Trump ran his idiot son in law at us yesterday to lecture is about how smart he is, what a great manager he is, and the purpose of the national stockpile

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Sorry, forgot to add corrupt...

Kushner company stands to benefit from freeze on federal mortgage payments
With more than $800 million in federally backed properties, Kushner Companies could reduce its payments to zero under provisions of the recovery bill.

Jared Kushner’s family business could be a prime beneficiary of a provision in the federal recovery bill that allows owners of apartment buildings to freeze federal mortgage payments on low- and moderate-income properties.

Kushner Companies, the real estate firm started in 1985 by Kushner’s father, Charles, controls thousands of low- and moderate-housing units across the country, some of which are funded through an $800 million federally backed loan the firm received in 2019.

The option for owners to temporarily freeze mortgage payments on low- and moderate-income housing developments, in exchange for promising not to evict tenants who can’t pay their rent, was one of the economic provisions approved by Congress and signed into law by President Donald Trump last week. It is considered a way to keep lower-income apartment dwellers in their homes, but also shifted the burden of housing them from their landlords to the federal government and taxpayers.

Because Kushner Companies, like many real estate companies, establishes buildings as a network of individual LLCs, it may be possible for it to obtain federal help for some buildings even if it has enough money to cover the mortgage payments, said Shekar Narasimhan, an expert in real estate financing and managing partner of the firm Beekman Advisors.

“Could he take advantage of it? Yes, his company could,” Narasimhan said. “They’re supposed to have deep pockets, but most owners set each building up to an LLC. So in theory, he doesn't have an obligation to write a check.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/jared-kushner-company-benefit-recovery-bill-162652

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How is his dad receiving a $800 million government loan not a conflict of interest? smh

[hater]

:lmao at ppl still watching Orangegotan daily briefings :lmao

you will get stupider by the day :lol

[hater]

Oranangegutan daily briefings are the pandemic equivalent of a daily coca cola can :lol

[Mark Celibate]

a good friend of mine's grandma just tested positive yesterday. Unfortunately she pretty much fits the definition of a vulnerable case. In an assisted living facility, heavy smoker pretty much her whole life, diet of constant junk food etc

[Will Hunting]

a good friend of mine's grandma just tested positive yesterday. Unfortunately she pretty much fits the definition of a vulnerable case. In an assisted living facility, heavy smoker pretty much her whole life, diet of constant junk food etc
Assisted living facilities are fucking hamster boxes too. Chances are 10+ people in the same facility also have it.

[Mark Celibate]

Assisted living facilities are fucking hamster boxes too. Chances are 10+ people in the same facility also have it.

Exactly. She's actually been mostly asymptomatic (so far), but was only tested because her caretaker tested positive for it

[DMC]

This virus really needs people to take even more extreme measures to slow the growth. For instance, if a household has one person that's going out to work then they should probably do their best to isolate at home. But I haven't seen anyone make recommend steps like that. That person is overwhelming coming home and cuddling with their partner who will be doing things with the kids all day.

Actually a month ago I said that labs and hospitals especially the specific teams who treat coronavirus and test for it should be isolated in hotels and given dedicated buses back and forth to their jobs. They do not come in contact with anyone else. I know this is very extreme but so is death. This is to protect those individuals.

[Will Hunting]

Sorry, forgot to add corrupt...

Kushner company stands to benefit from freeze on federal mortgage payments
With more than $800 million in federally backed properties, Kushner Companies could reduce its payments to zero under provisions of the recovery bill.

Jared Kushner’s family business could be a prime beneficiary of a provision in the federal recovery bill that allows owners of apartment buildings to freeze federal mortgage payments on low- and moderate-income properties.

Kushner Companies, the real estate firm started in 1985 by Kushner’s father, Charles, controls thousands of low- and moderate-housing units across the country, some of which are funded through an $800 million federally backed loan the firm received in 2019.

The option for owners to temporarily freeze mortgage payments on low- and moderate-income housing developments, in exchange for promising not to evict tenants who can’t pay their rent, was one of the economic provisions approved by Congress and signed into law by President Donald Trump last week. It is considered a way to keep lower-income apartment dwellers in their homes, but also shifted the burden of housing them from their landlords to the federal government and taxpayers.

Because Kushner Companies, like many real estate companies, establishes buildings as a network of individual LLCs, it may be possible for it to obtain federal help for some buildings even if it has enough money to cover the mortgage payments, said Shekar Narasimhan, an expert in real estate financing and managing partner of the firm Beekman Advisors.

“Could he take advantage of it? Yes, his company could,” Narasimhan said. “They’re supposed to have deep pockets, but most owners set each building up to an LLC. So in theory, he doesn't have an obligation to write a check.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/jared-kushner-company-benefit-recovery-bill-162652

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How is his dad receiving a $800 million government loan not a conflict of interest? smh
Cuckner is a scumbag but story is a nothingburger. It was $800 million of Fannie and Freddie debt that was underwritten with the same guidelines Fannie and Freddie use for the hundreds of billions of multifamily lending it does every year.

Calling it “government backed debt” is misleading, it’s the same type of “government backed” debt that all multifamily landlords have access to.

I personally think the government doesn’t need to be in the business of financing multifamily properties at al, but Cuckner didn’t get any kind of special treatment.

[RandomGuy]

Exactly. She's actually been mostly asymptomatic (so far), but was only tested because her caretaker tested positive for it

... and that is all she wrote. The only fatalities in the city I am in so far are all connected with a single nursing home, as are a lot of the diagnosed cases. Makes it easier to convince my dad to stay inside.

[Will Hunting]

Exactly. She's actually been mostly asymptomatic (so far), but was only tested because her caretaker tested positive for it
That’s fucking ridiculous. I’m the asset manager for a portfolio of assisted living facilities and the management company has been testing every employee before each shift for symptoms and checking their temperatures. Pretty irresponsible for a caregiver with coronavirus to be working.

[RandomGuy]

Cuckner is a scumbag but story is a nothingburger. It wasn’t $800 million of Fannie and Freddie debt that was underwritten with the same guidelines Fannie and Freddie use for the hundreds of billions of multifamily lending it does every year.

Calling it “government backed debt” is misleading, it’s the same type of “government backed” debt that all multifamily landlords have access to.

I personally think the government doesn’t need to be in the business of financing multifamily properties at al, but Cuckner didn’t get any kind of special treatment.

One has to wonder though. That is the insidious nature of conflicts of interest.

Did he get his request fast-tracked? Did he get some sort of special provision that others didn't?

Sure he falls into a category with a LOT of other people, but no one believes that his request didn't get some special consideration, even if it was simply moving to the head of the processing cue the instant he filed it.

[DMC]

People want rapid response and recovery funding but they want years of combing through the document to make sure that no undesirable results come from it.

Pick one or the other

[DMC]

One has to wonder though. That is the insidious nature of conflicts of interest.

Did he get his request fast-tracked? Did he get some sort of special provision that others didn't?

Sure he falls into a category with a LOT of other people, but no one believes that his request didn't get some special consideration, even if it was simply moving to the head of the processing cue the instant he filed it.

Why does one have to wonder a confirmation biased question? I don't have to wonder that.

[DMC]

That’s fucking ridiculous. I’m the asset manager for a portfolio of assisted living facilities and the management company has been testing every employee before each shift for symptoms and checking their temperatures. Pretty irresponsible for a caregiver with coronavirus to be working.

Unless you witness this personally I would take that with a grain of salt. I've been into some locations that require temperature testing and some of them basically have a security guard asking you to measure your own temperature and tell them what it says. Then there's a protocol of cleaning the equipment with sprayed alcohol but half the time it's not being followed.

I would assume assisted living facilities has better preparation and medical staff to cover this things but oftentimes people get tired of repetitive actions and just find shortcuts.

[Will Hunting]

One has to wonder though. That is the insidious nature of conflicts of interest.

Did he get his request fast-tracked? Did he get some sort of special provision that others didn't?

Sure he falls into a category with a LOT of other people, but no one believes that his request didn't get some special consideration, even if it was simply moving to the head of the processing cue the instant he filed it.
Dude, that’s not how Fannie and Freddie lending works. It’s not like there’s a “processing cue” and some really long wait list. Fannie and Freddie work through intermediaries that are known as DUS lenders and they’re the ones who do all of the interfacing with landlords. If I wanted to buy a multifamily property right now I could get a Fannie and Freddie loan done in 2-3 months provided I met the underwriting guidelines.

The Kushner loan has also since been securitized and off the governments books, it’s not like the government is going to sit with the $800 million of risk through the life of he loan.

I hate Kushner as much as the next guy but the muh $800 million story is bogus.

[Will Hunting]

Unless you witness this personally I would take that with a grain of salt. I've been into some locations that require temperature testing and some of them basically have a security guard asking you to measure your own temperature and tell them what it says. Then there's a protocol of cleaning the equipment with sprayed alcohol but half the time it's not being followed.

I would assume assisted living facilities has better preparation and medical staff to cover this things but oftentimes people get tired of repetitive actions and just find shortcuts.
Yeah in this case I believe it because if they weren’t doing it the residents’ family members would be raising hell and I’d know about it.

[Will Hunting]

Yeah I just checked, $800 million loan for a $1.15 billion property acquisition, so 70% LTV. That’s actually 5% less than the 75% LTV maximum Freddie is able to lend up to in multifamily under its guidelines.

Sorry to those with TDS but this story has absolutely no legs.

[CosmicCowboy]

Damn...this nursing home is fucked up! 66 out 0f 84 residents are infected as of today.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/At-San-Antonio-nursing-home-59-of-71-residents-15175607.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SAEN_DailyHeadlines&utm_term=news&utm_content=headlines

[pgardn]

I love how everyone is now turning into a nationalist during a pandemic. 3m apparently needs to prioritize American lives over the lives of people in other countries. I'm just wondering what happened to all the bleeding hearts.

Oh you mean like Kushner nationalizing the dwindling PPE stockpile because the States are asking for help.

“But, But,... it’s for the nation!”

United States... Pitiful leadership from the top.

[boutons_deux]

Damn...this nursing home is fucked up! 66 out 0f 84 residents are infected as of today.


https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/At-San-Antonio-nursing-home-59-of-71-residents-15175607.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SAEN_DailyHeadlines&utm_term=news&utm_content=headlines (https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/At-San-Antonio-nursing-home-59-of-71-residents-15175607.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=SAEN_DailyHeadlines&utm_term=news&utm_content=headlines)

shitbag Repug Paxton MISgovernance in Repug shithole TX

"Nursing homes and other long-term care providers are

regulated by the Texas Department of Aging and Disabilities (DADS).

DADS licenses and inspects these facilities, which

must meet stringent health and safety standards to maintain their good standing

to provide long-term care in Texas.

https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/seniors/long-term-care-nursing-homes-assisted-living-and-home-health-care (https://www2.texasattorneygeneral.gov/seniors/long-term-care-nursing-homes-assisted-living-and-home-health-care)

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"for profit" can't find ownership, perhaps "Friends of Ken"?

https://health.usnews.com/best-nursing-homes/area/tx/southeast-nursing-rehabilitation-center-675883

[FlAVaK]

Don't fully agree with this. The market is defined however consumers define it and in situations like this it could well be the needs of the country or people. The problem isn't that at ta time like this it becomes important, its that ONLY at a time like this it becomes important.

Speaking of 3M:

400000 masks ordered by Germany were "stolen" by (redirected to) US at Bangkok Airport...

[CosmicCowboy]

Cuckner is a scumbag but story is a nothingburger. It was $800 million of Fannie and Freddie debt that was underwritten with the same guidelines Fannie and Freddie use for the hundreds of billions of multifamily lending it does every year.

Calling it “government backed debt” is misleading, it’s the same type of “government backed” debt that all multifamily landlords have access to.

I personally think the government doesn’t need to be in the business of financing multifamily properties at al, but Cuckner didn’t get any kind of special treatment.

Plus, its typical boutons bullshit. Freeze just delays payments. It doesnt eliminate them.

[Will Hunting]

Plus, its typical boutons bullshit. Freeze just delays payments. It doesnt eliminate them.
Also in exchange for the interest payment deferment landlords are required to agree to not evict anyone between now and December 21 (potentially later if this is still going on then). It’s by no means a pure government handout. All of the properties that I’m the asset manager over have agency debt and I still haven’t decided whether to pros outweigh the cons of what Fannie and Freddie are offering.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I hope Biden announces Gov. Whitmer as his running mate. This would be a reverse-Palin :jack

[pgardn]

Speaking of 3M:

400000 masks ordered by Germany were "stolen" by (redirected to) US at Bangkok Airport...

MAGA

[DMC]

From what I read most of the ventilators reported as faulty and needing repair had dead batteries because they've been sitting unopened in storage for over a decade.

Which means they were never tested or "PMed" at all.

[leemajors]

Basically he's doing everything two months late.

He's had no problem using the defense production act for weapons and bombs.

[DAF86]

Don't fully agree with this. The market is defined however consumers define it and in situations like this it could well be the needs of the country or people. The problem isn't that at ta time like this it becomes important, its that ONLY at a time like this it becomes important.

How convinient :lol

[DMC]

He's had no problem using the defense production act for weapons and bombs.

Different industry.

[boutons_deux]

Speaking of 3M:

400000 masks ordered by Germany were "stolen" by (redirected to) US at Bangkok Airport...

I think it was Hungary or Poland that robbed plane of medical gear headed to pandemic Italy

Planet goes "Lord of The Flies"

(like Joshua Tree natl Park trashed during Trash's I-fuckup-everything govt shutdown)

[picnroll]

So glad the renowned supply chain manager Kushner has taken the reigns. He does have the most important qualification, not exposing the Trump administration’s fumbling and incompetence.

[Reck]

I hope Biden announces Gov. Whitmer as his running mate. This would be a reverse-Palin :jack

I keep hearing that name. What’s what makes her good? Besides the fact she’s under Trump’s skin.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN2p17oimhE

[hater]

:lmao lots of drugs are good at combating the virus

even that Cuban drug prob does better than any

doesnt mean it will go away

“there is no wonder drug for this” - Dear Dr Facci

[Trill Clinton]

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[Blake]

He's had no problem using the defense production act for weapons and bombs.


Different industry.

Trump referred to himself as a war time president

[RandomGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN2p17oimhE


Dr. Anthony Fauci responds to Dr. Oz's advocacy for HCQ as a covid treatment: "That was not a very robust study." Fauci also says some may "feel" HCQ is an effective treatment, and "there is a suggestion" it could be, but we can't "make that majestic leap" to assume it's a cure.

Exact same response I gave to TSA's misleadingly incomplete post about it.

37% "feel" it is the most effective of the 15 options provided in the poll, is not "we know, based on a large clinical data set, it it is X effective"

Fox propaganda is pushing this narrative to make their viewers more optimistic about the disease than they should be, based on what we KNOW.

Why do you think the Fox propaganda is attempting to advance this narrative Darrin?

Is this narrative helpful? If so why?
If not, why not?

[Trill Clinton]

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privilege at work smh.

Oh and if anyone has a mortgage through wells fargo, they're offering a 3 month payment suspension.

[RandomGuy]

That’s fucking ridiculous. I’m the asset manager for a portfolio of assisted living facilities and the management company has been testing every employee before each shift for symptoms and checking their temperatures. Pretty irresponsible for a caregiver with coronavirus to be working.

At this point, it would almost seem worth it, to isolate the caregivers WITH the patients if at all possible. easier to keep it out.

Good luck, I really hope your clients do well.

[Trill Clinton]

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[hater]

what are the new projections, nigas?

been busy jot been paying attention

are we still gonna reach 3k dead a day at some point???

[Winehole23]

lol Hindsight expert will be a career description by the end of this pandemic

Your take is that this wasn't forseeable?

[Nathan89]

"Walmart Grocery became the number one most downloaded app in the Shopping category on the iPhone App Store. Overtaking Amazon’s, as well as other retailer’s apps."

[TimDunkem]

^Okay...Can't order anything anyway. They're booked for weeks.

[monosylab1k]

lol Hindsight expert will be a career description by the end of this pandemic

Yeah totally, it’s not like this virus was ravaging another country months before the United States, giving us time to prepare.

[hater]

^Okay...Can't order anything anyway. They're booked for weeks.

better order now before those weeks become months

[TimDunkem]

better order now before those weeks become months

Already got my shit when people here were still calling it the flu. :tu

[hater]

Already got my shit when people here were still calling it the flu. :tu

ma niga :tu

u called it :tu

[FlAVaK]

I think it was Hungary or Poland that robbed plane of medical gear headed to pandemic Italy

Planet goes "Lord of The Flies"

(like Joshua Tree natl Park trashed during Trash's I-fuckup-everything govt shutdown)

Poland and Czech Rep.

But in that case, the stuff was transported through their territory, so it could be stolen by anybody.

In this case it happened at Thailand, so it's pretty obvious government is involved...

And I have to correct: 400k were orderd. 200k redirected, 200k probably will arive at Berlin.

One Berlin official called what happened at Bangkok "modern piracy", "should not happen between transatlantic partners", and wants the government to contact/complain Washington about the issue...

https://www.rbb24.de/panorama/thema/2020/coronavirus/beitraege_neu/2020/04/atemschutzmasken-berlin-bestellung-usa-abgefangen.html

[hater]

USA also stole a sale of PPE from chinese company to France

USA stepped in as plane was about to take off to Paris and offered cold hard cash

:lmao

I can just imagine USA guy walking onto tarmac with suitcases of cash :lmao

thisisfine.gif

[Reck]

This is nuts. Not even 1PM and we're already at 500+ deaths. Today is going to be pretty bad.

[Reck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN2p17oimhE

Sto peddling Dr. freaking Oz, Darrin. You're smarter than this.

Dr. Fauci is our light, tbh.

[Reck]

what are the new projections, nigas?

been busy jot been paying attention

are we still gonna reach 3k dead a day at some point???

That's not a stretch but I think today we'll easily be at 1500 dead by the end of the night.

[Blake]

number of community spread cases now higher than travel related cases in Bexar County

[DarrinS]

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[hater]

That's not a stretch but I think today we'll easily be at 1500 dead by the end of the night.

fuck

looks like Im gonna burn through my N95 mask stash in a couple months :lmao

[Reck]

1245907325023432704

These are the people who need that stimulus check the most so perhaps they need to concentrate that to these kind of people. Most of these people are construction workers. You can tell.

[hater]

1245907325023432704

the rich have fled NY and left the poor to suffer the zombie appocalypse

the scam that is the US “free democracy” is being exposed

[hater]

might be a good weekend to watch Escape From NY tbqh

[picnroll]

USA also stole a sale of PPE from chinese company to France

USA stepped in as plane was about to take off to Paris and offered cold hard cash

:lmao

I can just imagine USA guy walking onto tarmac with suitcases of cash :lmao

thisisfine.gif
Happened in all directions. US had an order with China that redirected it to Italy and gave the US a refund. Dog eat dog out there.

[Winehole23]

1245907325023432704

What are essential workers in NYC supposed to do, not go to work?

[hater]

What are essential workers in NYC supposed to do, not go to work?

essential worker = I have to work to eat

[Reck]

Yesterday overall numbers:

New cases: 29,874
Deaths: 968

Today's numbers as of 1:15PM

New cases: 20,629
Deaths: 716

[spurraider21]

This is nuts. Not even 1PM and we're already at 500+ deaths. Today is going to be pretty bad.
the reporting comes in batches, its not a constant stream, so its not necessarily representative of what end of day numbers will be

[Winehole23]

essential worker = I have to work to eatWhen people run out of money and supplies shit is gonna be cray.

[Reck]

the reporting comes in batches, its not a constant stream, so its not necessarily representative of what end of day numbers will be

Not encouraging that the dumps came with such huge numbers to begin the day.

I hadn't been following the worldometer for long so I dont know their patterns yet. Do they pepper number of cases throughout the day or at once at specific time of day?

[RandomGuy]

Maybe if the Coronavirus had been an impeachment witness, Donald Trump would have tried harder to stop it.

(as seen on the web, wish i was that clever)

[monosylab1k]

Sto peddling Dr. freaking Oz, Darrin. You're smarter than this.

Dr. Fauci is our light, tbh.

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Not encouraging that the dumps came with such huge numbers to begin the day.

I hadn't been following the worldometer for long so I dont know their patterns yet. Do they pepper number of cases throughout the day or at once at specific time of day?
it can be weird. here is why france had a big spike yesterday, for example

2116 new cases and 1355 new deaths in France (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/), including 884 fatalities in nursing homes that occurred over a period of several weeks and that were announced only today. NOTE: If and when the French government determines the correct distribution of these additional deaths over time, we will adjust historical data accordingly [source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNsglzCI8qQ)] [source (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-toll/frances-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-to-nearly-5400-as-nursing-homes-included-idUSKBN21K31I)]

[RandomGuy]

You'll have 4 years (ok, maybe 2) to listen to old Joe, tbh

Eyup. Would not surprise me he resigns within the first year to his VP. I put the odds of Trump surviving another four years as rather low. He is already sundowning as bad as Biden.

[RandomGuy]

it can be weird. here is why france had a big spike yesterday, for example

2116 new cases and 1355 new deaths in France (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/), including 884 fatalities in nursing homes that occurred over a period of several weeks and that were announced only today. NOTE: If and when the French government determines the correct distribution of these additional deaths over time, we will adjust historical data accordingly [source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNsglzCI8qQ)] [source (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france-toll/frances-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-to-nearly-5400-as-nursing-homes-included-idUSKBN21K31I)]

Also bear in mind the US has some backlog. As they work through it, the numbers will go up a bit more than one might fully expect in the near term.

Deaths would be a bit more reliable metric for determining active cases. Divide total fatality figure by .0066, and you have the rough number of actual cases, detected and undetected, about 7 to 10 days ago. Give it two doubling periods since then (eight times) and you have a rough estimate of current ACTUAL cases.

[MannyIsGod]

The Federal government is by nature painfully slow to respond to anything urgent. I deal with them all the time on contracts. They are constrained by multiple restraints passed by congress that even events that might be considered emergencies by those on the ground getting all the paperwork done can take weeks.

Nah fuck this. Contracts and paperwork are one thing. National emergency reactions are another. We're built on the principle of rapid response to national emergencies. There are contingencies put in place beforehand for this reason. This is why we have FEMA, CDC, and NSC protocols. The point is to have a rapid response plan before ti happens to fall back on. THEY HAD ONE THEY JUST IGNORED IT.

Its one thing for y'all to bullshit like this on regular mundane shit in day to day politics, but not on this. Fuck that.

[pgardn]

..

[TSA]

University of Pittsburgh scientists believe they’ve found potential coronavirus vaccine

https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/scientists-believe-they-found-potential-coronavirus-vaccine/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(20)30118-3/fulltext

[monosylab1k]

Nah fuck this. Contracts and paperwork are one thing. National emergency reactions are another. We're built on the principle of rapid response to national emergencies. There are contingencies put in place beforehand for this reason. This is why we have FEMA, CDC, and NSC protocols. The point is to have a rapid response plan before ti happens to fall back on. THEY HAD ONE THEY JUST IGNORED IT.

Its one thing for y'all to bullshit like this on regular mundane shit in day to day politics, but not on this. Fuck that.

They definitely wouldn’t be giving Black Kenyan Muslim the same leeway if he fucked this up.

[MannyIsGod]

They definitely wouldn’t be giving Black Kenyan Muslim the same leeway if he fucked this up.

100 fucking percent. The killed him over a fucking tan suit can you imagine this?

[Bynumite]

Can't say i didn't call it tbh.

[DarrinS]

University of Pittsburgh scientists believe they’ve found potential coronavirus vaccine

https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/scientists-believe-they-found-potential-coronavirus-vaccine/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(20)30118-3/fulltext


Hope it works

[Reck]

They definitely wouldn’t be giving Black Kenyan Muslim the same leeway if he fucked this up.

Hell I have already seem people blame the black man for not having stockpiled ventilators and masks back when..

[boutons_deux]

everybody just FUCKING RELAX!

Jared has a shadow govt of friends and frat bros now managing the US govt's pandemic response.

[hater]

Hope it works

in a year min

[hater]

100 fucking percent. The killed him over a fucking tan suit can you imagine this?

they bitched a week about the mom pants tbqh

[hater]

CNN Brooke Baldwin positive for Corona

:lmao :lmao and Mike Penis and all Trump family still negative :lol

[Reck]

CNN Brooke Baldwin positive for Corona

:lmao :lmao and Mike Penis and all Trump family still negative :lol

Devastating news. My conrade Thread and I feel this one personally!

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1245862644608667648

https://twitter.com/continetti/status/1246037195229663232

[Reck]

Seeing the numbers explode in Itally, Spain and now here there is no doubt China is hiding their real numbers.

[Spurs Homer]

Maybe if the Coronavirus had been an impeachment witness, Donald Trump would have tried harder to stop it.

(as seen on the web, wish i was that clever)


if the virus had been classified as an “illegal alien”

trump would have built a shitload of new cages, beds, ventilators And hired another gestapo unit to guard it!

[Spurs Homer]

CNN Brooke Baldwin positive for Corona

:lmao :lmao and Mike Penis and all Trump family still negative :lol

yup
fine looking woman...RIP


Bill Withers RIP


we are ALL gonna get it eventually-

I am resigned to catching it sooner- and hope im lucky to survive- and be immune afterwards!

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1245862644608667648

https://twitter.com/continetti/status/1246037195229663232

Nothing about putting US govt websites in the memory hole for some dude's son in law?

I didn't think so.

Rube.

[Xevious]

Eyup. Would not surprise me he resigns within the first year to his VP. I put the odds of Trump surviving another four years as rather low. He is already sundowning as bad as Biden.
Again I say, I wish there were a maximum age to run for office. Especially these ancient fucking congressmen who hold their position until they're cold in the dirt. We vote for them in though!

[TeyshaBlue]

When people run out of money and supplies shit is gonna be cray.
Background music to my earlier thoughts on the possibility/probability of political upheaval resulting in the firm establishment of exceptional measures of control by the federal government.

[boutons_deux]

they bitched a week about the mom pants tbqh

and the crotch salute instead of hand on heart

and the hand salute coming down the airplane stairs holding a cup of coffee

[Splits]

what are the new projections, nigas?

been busy jot been paying attention

are we still gonna reach 3k dead a day at some point???

We'll hit 2.5k/day by Wednesday. With today's numbers taken into account, the peak I see is checking in around 4.5-5k/day but I don't have a solid time frame on that yet. Working on it...

[SpursforSix]

Again I say, I wish there were a maximum age to run for office. Especially these ancient fucking congressmen who hold their position until they're cold in the dirt. We vote for them in though!

Word.

[boutons_deux]

4.5-5k/day

I saw a study showing that being worst case, peaking about late May/June, USA only

[Splits]

Not encouraging that the dumps came with such huge numbers to begin the day.

I hadn't been following the worldometer for long so I dont know their patterns yet. Do they pepper number of cases throughout the day or at once at specific time of day?

All they are doing is scraping the webpages of the state agencies and other sources. You can see where they scrape from in the "source" column if you drill-down on US. So it is "peppered" in the sense that there's a bunch of states that report in an uncoordinated fashion. Most states report once or twice a day.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1245862644608667648

https://twitter.com/continetti/status/1246037195229663232
:lol CIA good now

[monosylab1k]

Imagine the entire country being in the shit, and your main focus is “:cry but China lied :cry”.......which of course they lied, and if Orange Man had his way he’d be hiding the numbers too.

[spurraider21]

:lmao that fantastic buildup to the last 15 seconds

1246146713523453957

[clambake]

Nah fuck this. Contracts and paperwork are one thing. National emergency reactions are another. We're built on the principle of rapid response to national emergencies. There are contingencies put in place beforehand for this reason. This is why we have FEMA, CDC, and NSC protocols. The point is to have a rapid response plan before ti happens to fall back on. THEY HAD ONE THEY JUST IGNORED IT.

Its one thing for y'all to bullshit like this on regular mundane shit in day to day politics, but not on this. Fuck that.

cowboy turned out to be a useless old fuck in his twilight years. he's going out worshiping his cult love object.

[SpursforSix]

:lmao that fantastic buildup to the last 15 seconds

1246146713523453957

Bend over, I'll fucking give you a fantastic buildup to the last 15 seconds.

[SpursforSix]

cowboy turned out to be a useless old fuck in his twilight years. he's going out worshiping his cult love object.

I used to pass this homeless guy on the way home who I called, "Cowboy". I would always wave or give him a head nod if he was looking. Probably passed him a couple hundred times over a three year period.
After a while, I stopped seeing him. Just disappeared. A couple years later, I saw him on that show where they catch crabs in the Bering Sea. I ended up tracking him down with LexisNexis and send him several texts.
When he finally responded, he claimed that he never lived in the area. I told him he was a piece of shit liar and we haven't communicated since.

[Thread]

We'll hit 2.5k/day by Wednesday. With today's numbers taken into account, the peak I see is checking in around 4.5-5k/day but I don't have a solid time frame on that yet. Working on it...

Mar...

tee, hee.

[Splits]

Mar...

tee, hee.

Oh, it's alive.

You ready to admit your Kirby forced that poor pilot onto that chopper during the wee hours of the morning in fog denser than you like your bush?

[clambake]

Oh, it's alive.

You ready to admit your Kirby forced that poor pilot onto that chopper during the wee hours of the morning in fog denser than you like your bush?

lol

[ElNono]

Cuckner is a scumbag but story is a nothingburger. It was $800 million of Fannie and Freddie debt that was underwritten with the same guidelines Fannie and Freddie use for the hundreds of billions of multifamily lending it does every year.

Calling it “government backed debt” is misleading, it’s the same type of “government backed” debt that all multifamily landlords have access to.

I personally think the government doesn’t need to be in the business of financing multifamily properties at al, but Cuckner didn’t get any kind of special treatment.

My beef is with the obvious conflict of interest. People bitch about the revolving door, this is actually much more direct and worse, IMO.

[Thread]

Devastating news. My conrade Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) and I feel this one personally!

Nothin' better than when she backs away from that desk & crosses 'em over. & it's a high cross & they make sure to never give us the full look. I try to peek over from the recliner, but, it's futile seeing as it ain't 3D. She knows exactly what's she's doing. & has that double (b) necklace on every day.

I also like the that mean ass Kristen Powers from USA Today. Full of attitude, lifeless eyes, dolls eyes like when "Quint" is talking about that Great White on the boat as he's reciting the U.S.S Indianapolis story... "So, 1400 went into the water. 700 came out. Sharks took the rest."

Powers & that political bunch ain't been around since Corona hit. I miss 'em, Susan Hennessey is another one that drives me crazy. Hot as a fire cracker. It comes her turn to talk and she lights out like a BAR.

Love the CNN girls. Kate Balduan with his titties drooping down to her belly button. It's so awful that I'm totally in love.

[Thread]

Oh, it's alive.

You ready to admit your Kirby forced that poor pilot onto that chopper during the wee hours of the morning in fog denser than you like your bush?

I done told you I ain't doing that, Splits.

[ElNono]

AMERICA: Oh my god! Coronavirus! What should we do?
CALIFORNIA: Shut down your state.
AMERICA: Wait... what? Why?
CALIFORNIA: Because 40 million people live here and we did it early, and it’s working.
OHIO: Whoa... whoa... let’s not be hasty now. The president said that this whole coronavirus thing is a democratic hoax.
CALIFORNIA: He also said that windmills cause cancer. Shut down your state.
TEXAS: But the president said that we only have 15 cases and soon it'll be zero.
CALIFORNIA: The president can’t count to fifteen. Nor even spell it. Shut down your state.
NEW JERSEY: Us too?
CALIFORNIA: Yes, you guys too. Just like when Christie shut down the bridge, but it’s your whole state.
FLORIDA: But what about all these kids here on spring break?? They spend a lot of money here!
CALIFORNIA: Those kids invented the tide pod challenge. Shut down your state.
LOUISIANA: But wait let’s have Mardi Gras first. It entertains people.
CALIFORNIA: It also kills them. Shut it down.
GEORGIA: OK well how about we keep the state open for all of our mega-churches? Maybe we can all pray really hard until the coronavirus just goes away!
CALIFORNIA: Which is working like a charm for mass shootings. Jesus told us to tell you to shut down your state.
OKLAHOMA: What about the tigers?
CALIFORNIA: What about a dentist. Shut it down.
WYOMING: Hold up, maybe we should go county by county like the president said.
CALIFORNIA: Stop acting like there are counties in Wyoming. There are no counties in Wyoming. Wyoming is a county. Shut it down.
PENNSYLVANIA: But big coal.
CALIFORNIA: But big death. Shut it.
WEST VIRGINIA: But we were the last state to get coronavirus!
CALIFORNIA: And don’t make us explain to you why that was. Shut it down.
NORTH CAROLINA: But the republican national convention is coming here!
CALIFORNIA: SHUT... OK, fine do what you want.

:lol

[Splits]

I done told you I ain't doing that, Splits.

Go bump your count thread with the numbers, chop chop

[Will Hunting]

My beef is with the obvious conflict of interest. People bitch about the revolving door, this is actually much more direct and worse, IMO.
What’s the conflict of interest? It’s a 70% LTV Freddie Mac loan secured by a portfolio of multifamily deals. That deal gets done all day every day, especially with a borrower who’d already completed a high volume of successful transactions with the agency lenders.

Keep in mind also that the loan is basically negotiated between Kushners company and Berkadia as the DUS lender. Fannie and Freddie themselves have little to no interaction with Kushner Co to get the loan finalized.

There’s simply no there there.

[midnightpulp]

All they are doing is scraping the webpages of the state agencies and other sources. You can see where they scrape from in the "source" column if you drill-down on US. So it is "peppered" in the sense that there's a bunch of states that report in an uncoordinated fashion. Most states report once or twice a day.

:lol. Yep. Clever, you knowing this (you work with data, right?) to get the old Cubster (and me).

Here's an example, blue line is actual, yellow is screen scraped. Blue line shows flatter growth, while the screen scraped line shows exponential growth.

1245550397554659329

When you were telling me NY/NJ was going to pop to 700-1000 deaths per day in like a week (from like 80 per day. In reality, it was probably like 200 per day), I just didn't know how that was possible, even with some exponential growth. But I see now, since that delayed screen-scraped data will all come rushing in at certain dates, even if those events didn't happen on those dates.

Nicely played, Splits.

[ElNono]

What’s the conflict of interest? It’s a 70% LTV Freddie Mac loan secured by a portfolio of multifamily deals. That deal gets done all day every day, especially with a borrower who’d already completed a high volume of successful transactions with the agency lenders.

Keep in mind also that the loan is basically negotiated between Kushners company and Berkadia as the DUS lender. Fannie and Freddie themselves have little to no interaction with Kushner Co to get the loan finalized.

There’s simply no there there.

The obvious conflict of interest is daddy getting a loan from government when son is in the administration. This wasn't a loan made before the kid started public service, but much later on.

And yeah, it might suck that people doing public service need to abstain from such deals, which is why being in public service should be a very thought out decision. It's pretty clear, to mea at least, this reeks of impropriety.

[Will Hunting]

The obvious conflict of interest is daddy getting a loan from government when son is in the administration. This wasn't a loan made before the kid started public service, but much later on.

And yeah, it might suck that people doing public service need to abstain from such deals, which is why being in public service should be a very thought out decision. It's pretty clear, to mea at least, this reeks of impropriety.
It’s a loan anybody doing the same transaction can get, how does that reek of impropriety? It was a plain vanilla multifamily loan.

Youre also ignoring the fact these loans gets securitized, the government doesn’t sit on $800 million of risk in this scenario.

[midnightpulp]

For Splits

1245564846420066304

[midnightpulp]

Let's hope there's some truth to this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/no-proof-coronavirus-can-spread-shopping-says-leading-german/

[phxspurfan]

Lurking here a bit and seeing a lot of you guys in TX etc are going through the stages I went through. I'm in one of the states that got hit hard first, and we had to start this before mid March.

I've been quarantined for at least 7 weeks so far.

https://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html

And a good chart that shows many of the stages. We all have to adapt, and will do so in time, and then it will all change again. This too shall pass. There will be other types of challenges ahead. But for now, deal with this one with all you have, and let God and Jesus handle what you can't control.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/9a/51/7c9a518a9d36e08758a24824ab9c0ef4.jpg


And like others say, the news doesn't help really. They keep you coming back by giving you a dose of fear, which causes a chemical reaction in your brain. It's highly addictive, and weaning yourself off of it is for the best. I find I can keep up with the latest news, even as rapidly as it's evolving, by staying connected to friends and family, checking the web (where you have more control over when to stop reading and do something else), and watching a show or two if I feel like it. But not all day by any stretch.

I also have a list of things I'd like to get done around here and on myself (personal development) before this is all over. Time is still our most valuable resource, and after you've done what you can by stocking your pantry and distancing for the medical workers to flatten the curve, it's time to work on yourself, your relationships, and your home projects. Stay busy and positive!

[ElNono]

It’s a loan anybody doing the same transaction can get, how does that reek of impropriety? It was a plain vanilla multifamily loan.

Youre also ignoring the fact these loans gets securitized, the government doesn’t sit on $800 million of risk in this scenario.

He can do it once his kid is out of office. Sorry, but even though anybody can do that transaction in those terms, the fact that his kid was part of the administration handing out the loan and his kid potential involvement can't be scrutinized (due to, among other things, executive privilege) is what's improper.

It's like people saying Trump renting out his hotels to foreign leaders is, in and of itself, normal. He probably did some of that before becoming president. However, the fact that he or his family are set to benefit financially from the transaction makes it ethically improper.

[leemajors]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/us-edits-national-stockpile-website-after-kushner-claims-its-not-for-states/?comments=1


US edits National Stockpile website after Kushner claims it’s not for states
Strategic National Stockpile site edited to downplay role in helping US states.

ugh

[RandomGuy]

AMERICA: Oh my god! Coronavirus! What should we do?
CALIFORNIA: Shut down your state.
AMERICA: Wait... what? Why?
CALIFORNIA: Because 40 million people live here and we did it early, and it’s working.
OHIO: Whoa... whoa... let’s not be hasty now. The president said that this whole coronavirus thing is a democratic hoax.
CALIFORNIA: He also said that windmills cause cancer. Shut down your state.
TEXAS: But the president said that we only have 15 cases and soon it'll be zero.
CALIFORNIA: The president can’t count to fifteen. Nor even spell it. Shut down your state.
NEW JERSEY: Us too?
CALIFORNIA: Yes, you guys too. Just like when Christie shut down the bridge, but it’s your whole state.
FLORIDA: But what about all these kids here on spring break?? They spend a lot of money here!
CALIFORNIA: Those kids invented the tide pod challenge. Shut down your state.
LOUISIANA: But wait let’s have Mardi Gras first. It entertains people.
CALIFORNIA: It also kills them. Shut it down.
GEORGIA: OK well how about we keep the state open for all of our mega-churches? Maybe we can all pray really hard until the coronavirus just goes away!
CALIFORNIA: Which is working like a charm for mass shootings. Jesus told us to tell you to shut down your state.
OKLAHOMA: What about the tigers?
CALIFORNIA: What about a dentist. Shut it down.
WYOMING: Hold up, maybe we should go county by county like the president said.
CALIFORNIA: Stop acting like there are counties in Wyoming. There are no counties in Wyoming. Wyoming is a county. Shut it down.
PENNSYLVANIA: But big coal.
CALIFORNIA: But big death. Shut it.
WEST VIRGINIA: But we were the last state to get coronavirus!
CALIFORNIA: And don’t make us explain to you why that was. Shut it down.
NORTH CAROLINA: But the republican national convention is coming here!
CALIFORNIA: SHUT... OK, fine do what you want.

:lol

As someone from Wyoming... yup.

:lol

[RandomGuy]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/us-edits-national-stockpile-website-after-kushner-claims-its-not-for-states/?comments=1



ugh

This shit is getting that fuckbungled.

[RandomGuy]

Lurking here a bit and seeing a lot of you guys in TX etc are going through the stages I went through. I'm in one of the states that got hit hard first, and we had to start this before mid March.

I've been quarantined for at least 7 weeks so far.

https://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html

And a good chart that shows many of the stages. We all have to adapt, and will do so in time, and then it will all change again. This too shall pass. There will be other types of challenges ahead. But for now, deal with this one with all you have, and let God and Jesus handle what you can't control.



Multiple choice.

Gods role in the outbreak:

A) Unaware it's happening
B) Aware, but unwilling to stop it
C) Aware, but unable to stop it
D) Deliberately caused it.


Asking for a friend.

[phxspurfan]

Multiple choice.

Gods role in the outbreak:

A) Unaware it's happening
B) Aware, but unwilling to stop it
C) Aware, but unable to stop it
D) Deliberately caused it.


Asking for a friend.

I know not everyone has faith, but I do. I've seen my share of miracles. I think this is going to be one of them. It already has been for me, getting me back in touch with my family. If I died tomorrow of this crap, I'd be happy knowing I only did that (among other things, like help those far worse off via donations, time spent volunteering, and prayer).

I personally saw a kids playground, near where I was biking last weekend, with the "closed: COVID-19" sign, taken over by several large birds (huge birds, like the endangered type). I also caught my neighbors staring at the front of my house yesterday, and was like wtf. Then I looked and saw a huge family of deer munching on weeds right outside my front door, and walking right down the street with no fear of being run over. It was awesome. I also have seen people in general, treating each other much better. And I'm in an area where people treat each other like shit a lot.

This forced stay at home thing has caused many wild animals to feel free to roam again, and some of nature to reset itself, without nearly as much fear of our dumb asses trampling them, scaring them, or causing other harm. I hope when we all start getting through this, one way or another (which we will), we will take some valuable lessons on how to treat each other and our planet. That alone would make it all worth it to me, even if I or some of my family die because of it.

[DarrinS]

Let's hope there's some truth to this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/no-proof-coronavirus-can-spread-shopping-says-leading-german/


Interesting. Hard to know what to believe. Oh well, I've got the cleanest doorknobs in town. :lol

Here's another: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/virologists-to-turn-germany-worst-hit-district-into-coronavirus-laboratory

[Splits]

:lol. Yep. Clever, you knowing this (you work with data, right?) to get the old Cubster (and me).

Here's an example, blue line is actual, yellow is screen scraped. Blue line shows flatter growth, while the screen scraped line shows exponential growth.

1245550397554659329

When you were telling me NY/NJ was going to pop to 700-1000 deaths per day in like a week (from like 80 per day. In reality, it was probably like 200 per day), I just didn't know how that was possible, even with some exponential growth. But I see now, since that delayed screen-scraped data will all come rushing in at certain dates, even if those events didn't happen on those dates.

Nicely played, Splits.

That's part of it. I don't want to reveal the formula just yet. I will say that the numbers in Europe are forecasting the numbers in the US.

[DarrinS]

Same article posted by midnight, but no paywall

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8182767/Scientist-casts-doubt-coronavirus-spread.html

Prof Streeck said the virus had not even been found on door knobs or animal fur.

He told German TV that there had been 'no proven infections while shopping or at the hairdressers'.

'We know it's not a smear infection that is transmitted by touching objects, but that close dancing and exuberant celebrations have led to infections.'

He said Germany's patient zero had only infected her colleagues and not other guests or diners at the hotel she had been staying at.

[RandomGuy]

Interesting. Hard to know what to believe. Oh well, I've got the cleanest doorknobs in town. :lol

Here's another: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/virologists-to-turn-germany-worst-hit-district-into-coronavirus-laboratory

Systematic testing, and appropriate resources applied early to tracking.

We still don't have enough tests.

[RandomGuy]

All they are doing is scraping the webpages of the state agencies and other sources. You can see where they scrape from in the "source" column if you drill-down on US. So it is "peppered" in the sense that there's a bunch of states that report in an uncoordinated fashion. Most states report once or twice a day.

I am still mindful of the Texas counties with no reported cases.

We are looking at an elephant through a pinhole.

[boutons_deux]

I am still mindful of the Texas counties with no reported cases.

We are looking at an elephant through a pinhole.

85% of TX residents reside in urban/suburban areas. If that count can be accurate, then the rest is not useful

[hater]

https://twitter.com/danieldrepper/status/1246077614504148994?s=20

:lmao these “free democracies” being exposed for the bullshit trash they are :lmao

governments acting wilder than regular folk :lmao

:lol animals

[FkLA]

I am still mindful of the Texas counties with no reported cases.

We are looking at an elephant through a pinhole.

Are we going to get hit super hard too? Our patient zero didn't get here much later (if at all) than some of the new hotspots popping up and the school/major city shutdowns didn't lag behind most of the rest of the country. What am I missing? I know it will get worse but I've kind of been optimistic that we won't get hit as hard as some of the other large urban areas.

[pgardn]

AMERICA: Oh my god! Coronavirus! What should we do?
CALIFORNIA: Shut down your state.
AMERICA: Wait... what? Why?
CALIFORNIA: Because 40 million people live here and we did it early, and it’s working.
OHIO: Whoa... whoa... let’s not be hasty now. The president said that this whole coronavirus thing is a democratic hoax.
CALIFORNIA: He also said that windmills cause cancer. Shut down your state.
TEXAS: But the president said that we only have 15 cases and soon it'll be zero.
CALIFORNIA: The president can’t count to fifteen. Nor even spell it. Shut down your state.
NEW JERSEY: Us too?
CALIFORNIA: Yes, you guys too. Just like when Christie shut down the bridge, but it’s your whole state.
FLORIDA: But what about all these kids here on spring break?? They spend a lot of money here!
CALIFORNIA: Those kids invented the tide pod challenge. Shut down your state.
LOUISIANA: But wait let’s have Mardi Gras first. It entertains people.
CALIFORNIA: It also kills them. Shut it down.
GEORGIA: OK well how about we keep the state open for all of our mega-churches? Maybe we can all pray really hard until the coronavirus just goes away!
CALIFORNIA: Which is working like a charm for mass shootings. Jesus told us to tell you to shut down your state.
OKLAHOMA: What about the tigers?
CALIFORNIA: What about a dentist. Shut it down.
WYOMING: Hold up, maybe we should go county by county like the president said.
CALIFORNIA: Stop acting like there are counties in Wyoming. There are no counties in Wyoming. Wyoming is a county. Shut it down.
PENNSYLVANIA: But big coal.
CALIFORNIA: But big death. Shut it.
WEST VIRGINIA: But we were the last state to get coronavirus!
CALIFORNIA: And don’t make us explain to you why that was. Shut it down.
NORTH CAROLINA: But the republican national convention is coming here!
CALIFORNIA: SHUT... OK, fine do what you want.

:lol

If you made that up... stand up comedy is waiting.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/danieldrepper/status/1246077614504148994?s=20

:lmao these “free democracies” being exposed for the bullshit trash they are :lmao

governments acting wilder than regular folk :lmao

:lol animals

Thats why we need Assad or Putin... sure thing dictator boy.

[Xevious]

Are we going to get hit super hard too? Our patient zero didn't get here much later (if at all) than some of the new hotspots popping up and the school/major city shutdowns didn't lag behind most of the rest of the country. What am I missing? I know it will get worse but I've kind of been optimistic that we won't get hit as hard as some of the other large urban areas.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/04/03/texas-is-going-to-be-the-next-hot-spot-for-coronavirus-epidemiologist-says/

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/danieldrepper/status/1246077614504148994?s=20

:lmao these “free democracies” being exposed for the bullshit trash they are :lmao

governments acting wilder than regular folk :lmao

:lol animalsHow can we even do that in Bangkok?

[hater]

How can we even do that in Bangkok?

you dont think Bangkok gov does US bidding?

[midnightpulp]

Are we going to get hit super hard too? Our patient zero didn't get here much later (if at all) than some of the new hotspots popping up and the school/major city shutdowns didn't lag behind most of the rest of the country. What am I missing? I know it will get worse but I've kind of been optimistic that we won't get hit as hard as some of the other large urban areas.

I personally don't think so. I mean, everyone will get "hit," but it's highly unlikely any West and Southwest regions with low population density will turn into New York. Australia's response was pretty late and case and death count hasn't taken off there. Just my intuition (via the weather theory, population density, mass transit use, and also average age theory. Texas is actually has the lowest average age in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_age ).

We can't "breathe easy" until more data, but there's reasons to be optimistic for the West and Southwest.

[ChumpDumper]

you dont think Bangkok gov does US bidding?Not that I know of tbh.

[RandomGuy]

Again I say, I wish there were a maximum age to run for office. Especially these ancient fucking congressmen who hold their position until they're cold in the dirt. We vote for them in though!

Eyup. I would peg it at 60. If you hit retirement age in the office of the President... GTFO

[boutons_deux]

How can we even do that in Bangkok?

CIA, black ops

[slick'81]

Are we going to get hit super hard too? Our patient zero didn't get here much later (if at all) than some of the new hotspots popping up and the school/major city shutdowns didn't lag behind most of the rest of the country. What am I missing? I know it will get worse but I've kind of been optimistic that we won't get hit as hard as some of the other large urban areas.

YES WE ARE

[ChumpDumper]

I personally don't think so. I mean, everyone will get "hit," but it's highly unlikely any West and Southwest regions with low population density will turn into New York. Australia's response was pretty late and case and death count hasn't taken off there. Just my intuition (via the weather theory, population density, mass transit use, and also average age theory. Texas is actually has the lowest average age in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_age ).

We can't "breathe easy" until more data, but there's reasons to be optimistic for the West and Southwest.Overall it looks like we have the capacity to handle what's coming in the next month. I think there will be a bunch of smaller hotspots where good practices just aren't....practiced....

There'll be a bunch of stories of superspreading people and events, especially when the measures are inevitably lifted prematurely.

[ElNono]

If you made that up... stand up comedy is waiting.

somebody shared with me

[RandomGuy]

:lmao that fantastic buildup to the last 15 seconds

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Pandumbic... .heh

[midnightpulp]

Overall it looks like we have the capacity to handle what's coming in the next month. I think there will be a bunch of smaller hotspots where good practices just aren't....practiced....

There'll be a bunch of stories of superspreading people and events, especially when the measures are inevitably lifted prematurely.

Yep. That's most likely. According to this model, Texas should be under capacity, and this model seems a bit "pessimistic." https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

According to it, Texas was supposed to have 1700 people hospitalized on April 1st. Texas currently has 196 hospitalized according to Covidtracking. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas

But who knows the actuals anymore. Data has been wildly inconsistent.

[RandomGuy]

Are we going to get hit super hard too? Our patient zero didn't get here much later (if at all) than some of the new hotspots popping up and the school/major city shutdowns didn't lag behind most of the rest of the country. What am I missing? I know it will get worse but I've kind of been optimistic that we won't get hit as hard as some of the other large urban areas.

It hit places in the NE first. Texas will get hit, it is simply a matter of time.

Texas' saving grace is the sparse population and lack of public transit, along with the fact that things got shut down fairly quickly.

Dunno, really no way to tell if what is being done is effective until we have done it for while.

Ironically it will more likely spread among the conservative parts of the state that listened to Fox propaganda and Trump downplaying the severity and complications. They polled out at taking fewer precautions. we'll see if that panned out.

[midnightpulp]

San Francisco :tu

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[slick'81]

San Francisco :tu

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Are things really looking up there?

[RandomGuy]

85% of TX residents reside in urban/suburban areas. If that count can be accurate, then the rest is not useful

Guessing Texas is undercounting.

Wanted to say "we" but I am in Missouri. Just read a news report about 27 long-term care facilities have had a resident or employee test positive. Missouri, or at least where I am at, ahs a lot of old people.

[FkLA]

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/04/03/texas-is-going-to-be-the-next-hot-spot-for-coronavirus-epidemiologist-says/

I saw that earlier today but this is literally the epidemiologist's quote:

“We can already see the cases starting to increase, it is the start of an exponential rise.”

I need more than that to panic, tbh.


I personally don't think so. I mean, everyone will get "hit," but it's highly unlikely any West and Southwest regions with low population density will turn into New York. Australia's response was pretty late and case and death count hasn't taken off there. Just my intuition (via the weather theory, population density, mass transit use, and also average age theory. Texas is actually has the lowest average age in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_median_age ).

We can't "breathe easy" until more data, but there's reasons to be optimistic for the West and Southwest.

Yeah, that's where I'm at right now too. Hope it pans out.


YES WE ARE

https://media.giphy.com/media/gBpY4p7bbhsiI/200.gif

[slick'81]

I saw that earlier today but this is literally the epidemiologist's quote:

“We can already see the cases starting to increase, it is the start of an exponential rise.”

I need more than that to panic, tbh.



Yeah, that's where I'm at right now too. Hope it pans out.



https://media.giphy.com/media/gBpY4p7bbhsiI/200.gif


Hope is good my friend

[midnightpulp]

Are things really looking up there?

Don't live there, but those are encouraging numbers. And SF is kind of a mini-New York in a lot of ways. They use some mass transit, their weather is cool this time of year, and their pop density is 17000 per sq mile. New York's is 26000. So London Breed definitely saved a lot of lives by acting early.

[baseline bum]

Guessing Texas is undercounting.

Wanted to say "we" but I am in Missouri. Just read a news report about 27 long-term care facilities have had a resident or employee test positive. Missouri, or at least where I am at, ahs a lot of old people.

We have a nursing home in San Antonio that's 80% COVID-19 positive now.

EDIT: Link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/coronavirus-san-antonio-nursing-home.html

[Reck]

Not as many deaths coming from NY today. NJ, California and other states are starting to get up there in numbers now.

[ChumpDumper]

We have a nursing home in San Antonio that's 80% COVID-19 positive now.No way that will be the last one. There's probably gonna be a mini-apocalypse in nursing homes that isn't going to be reported in a timely manner.

[slick'81]

We have a nursing home in San Antonio that's 80% COVID-19 positive now.

yeah,hearing dallas,and houstons numbers are rising . abbott is still hesitant about putting tighter measures

[ChumpDumper]

yeah,hearing dallas,and houstons numbers are rising . abbott is still hesitant about putting tighter measuresNah, let's wait until it actually IS bad before doing something to keep it from getting bad.

[Thread]

No way that will be the last one. There's probably gonna be a mini-apocalypse in nursing homes that isn't going to be reported in a timely manner.

Well, they won't turn the gd heat down in those places. It's like a Dutch oven in there. Everybody is cold and always wanting to eat lunch.

Christ!!!

[FkLA]

We have a nursing home in San Antonio that's 80% COVID-19 positive now.

EDIT: Link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/coronavirus-san-antonio-nursing-home.html

Damn that's on the southeast side. I'm like 5-10 mins from there. Been there a bunch of times back when I was a pizza delivery driver. :(

[slick'81]

Damn that's on the southeast side. I'm like 5-10 mins from there. Been there a bunch of times back when I was a pizza delivery driver. :(

Me too fkla....right by mccreless mall

[boutons_deux]

yeah,hearing dallas,and houstons numbers are rising . abbott is still hesitant about putting tighter measures

red/slave/Confederate states are going with Trash and played down Dem hoax.

FL finally locked down, but is exempting churches so 1000s can Praise The Lord and get infected.

[midnightpulp]

Not as many deaths coming from NY today. NJ, California and other states are starting to get up there in numbers now.

Ugh. I'm seeing 745 per here.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

But that said, REMEMBER the lag. That is when the deaths were reported, not when they necessarily occurred. Cases who died two weeks ago might be just figuring into the stats today. Data has been pretty bad throughout all this.

[spurraider21]

Ugh. I'm seeing 745 per here.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

But that said, REMEMBER the lag. That is when the deaths were reported, not when they necessarily occurred. Cases who died two weeks ago might be just figuring into the stats today. Data has been pretty bad throughout all this.
worldometer showing 680 (but they go by GMT for start of the day, i dont know what that other site uses)

but yes, the reporting/figures isn't necessarily reliable on a day to day basis, for the reason you described. i dont blame them, these hospitals care more about getting shit done than making sure they are relaying death figures neatly and accurately

[midnightpulp]

Jesus, what an entitled fuckin' populace we have.

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Seeing a lot of this sentiment on Wingnut twitter. "Our freedumbs." What's happening now isn't unprecedented in American history. We responded to the Spanish Flu the exact same way, allowing states and municipalities to issue quarantine/stay-at-home orders per their discretion. Example, during the Spanish Flu, St. Louis locked down, while Philly did the "freedumbs" thing. Results.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESr1tcQVAAAwiGV.png

All pandemics follow the same path. There's no "conspiracy" or "insidious Democrat/Communist plot to take over Murrica." These twats just can't handle that the fat and happy life has to be on hold for a bit. What fuckin' babies. All you have to do is stay home and sit on your ass.

[slick'81]

Jesus, what an entitled fuckin' populace we have.

1246160011820036096

Seeing a lot of this sentiment on Wingnut twitter. "Our freedumbs." What's happening now isn't unprecedented in American history. We responded to the Spanish Flu the exact same way, allowing states and municipalities to issue quarantine/stay-at-home orders per their discretion. Example, during the Spanish Flu, St. Louis locked down, while Philly did the "freedumbs" thing. Results.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESr1tcQVAAAwiGV.png

All pandemics follow the same path. There's no "conspiracy" or "insidious Democrat/Communist plot to take over Murrica." These twats just can't handle that the fat and happy life has to be on hold for a bit. What fuckin' babies. All you have to do is stay home and sit on your ass.

i dont get it either. Would i rather stay home and hope for the best? or keep risking my health,and others by going out continuously!?

[RandomGuy]

red/slave/Confederate states are going with Trash and played down Dem hoax.

FL finally locked down, but is exempting churches so 1000s can Praise The Lord and get infected.

No sympathy. None.

You think Jesus is that fucking important, you don't deserve a hospital bed. Pray the virus away, see how that works out.

[baseline bum]

No sympathy. None.

You think Jesus is that fucking important, you don't deserve a hospital bed. Pray the virus away, see how that works out.

They'll still get the beds though, just like those fuckheads from the cruise ship in Ft Lauderdale.

[midnightpulp]

i dont get it either. Would i rather stay home and hope for the best? or keep risking my health,and others by going out continuously!?

I think Wingnuts want this to be over ASAP because they fear the economic toll of the pandemic will hurt their idol's reelection chances. Many wingnuts are screaming "open up the country!" right now. You can resurrect economies, you can't resurrect lives. Of course the wingnut rebuttal to this is that all the suicide, substance abuse, stress, etc, etc of the economic toll will cause more deaths than the virus, and there's a point to that, but the economy isn't just going to bounce back instantly when we "reopen." I feel if we opened up, we get more deaths from the virus and the same amount of deaths from those other factors. Again, the economy isn't just going to bounce back until we get a vaccine and a herd immunity.

These idiots think if you reopened America, that legions of people are going to resume the same consumer behavior they had before. No way. Not many people will be comfortable in crammed public spaces (restaurants, movie theaters, clubs, casinos, sporting events etc, etc) for a while.

[boutons_deux]

i dont get it either. Would i rather stay home and hope for the best? or keep risking my health,and others by going out continuously!?

As virus takes hold, resistance to stay-at-home orders remains widespread —

exposing political and social rifts

government and private-sector leaders across a large swath of the country

remain defiant that

the devastation unfolding in New York and other seemingly faraway cities should not curtail life in their own communities.

skeptics have been slow to acknowledge the science behind the spread of the novel coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?tid=lk_inline_manual_11&itid=lk_inline_manual_11).

politicians took heed of demands from the business community,

adamance about local autonomy was pronounced.

it was religious authority that mattered. :lol

"we can all rest in knowing that God is in control" chief executive of the craft store chain Hobby Lobby

a group of governors in the South and the Great Plains — largely Republican-led states — risk acting too late.

“Part of the problem is just reluctance to wrap your head around the fact that the numbers could get that bad that fast,”

“It’s almost a different approach, waiting to know it’s bad. I’m afraid that by the time they have reports of cases, it’s already too late.”

“We needed to be where we are now three weeks ago,”

about a dozen states without sweeping restrictions limiting travel to essential needs.

how decisive Tuesday’s White House briefing was to their thinking, as Trump struck a newly solemn tone and his advisers unveiled grim projections (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-white-house-projects-up-to-240000-coronavirus-deaths-in-us-even-with-mitigation-efforts/2020/03/31/62df5344-7367-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html?tid=lk_inline_manual_35&itid=lk_inline_manual_35) even with best-case mitigation efforts. :lol months late! Trash has the Best Delay, Best Brain, Best Words

Kemp said he learned Tuesday that the virus was “transmitting before people see signs.” :lol knowledge that is WEEKS OLD :lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-virus-takes-hold-resistance-to-stay-at-home-orders-remains-widespread--exposing-political-and-social-rifts/2020/04/02/d87314e0-7436-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_to_your_he alth&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1

Business wants you back to work, too bad if you die

God has you in His Whole Wide World Hands, too bad if you die

[monosylab1k]

This country was fucked before this pandemic, but this disaster definitely is like hitting the skip ahead 10 seconds button a few times.

[monosylab1k]

https://twitter.com/mcjesse/status/1245773598750433280?s=21

[Thread]

This country was fucked before this pandemic, but this disaster definitely is like hitting the skip ahead 10 seconds button a few times.

30k was imminent, mono. 160 million Americans were working, all getting a paycheck.

We'll be fortunate if 100 million of that amount doesn't end up on a bread line.
Yes, we have and have installed some attractive safeguards, but, if this thing goes haywire we'll know what fucked is.

This is the first time in my 60+ years where we ain't sure. We're talking big, but, we ain't sure & you can see it.

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/mcjesse/status/1245773598750433280?s=21

Make no mistake, mainstream Dems are sneaky shitheels, but the republican party and "the base" operates on a completely different level of shitheel. They'll hold back "progress" back in this regard per usual. I'm already seeing them start to hedge on wingnut twitter. First, it was, "nothing but a little flu. Only 30 deaths. Why are we freakin out!" Now it's, "Eh, 8000 deaths, but we have to ask how many died from Covid vs. with Covid?" So no matter the death toll, they have a minimizing excuse and thus will deflect to their conspiracy nonsense.

On the other hand, I can see mainstream Dems shutting down debate of the China problem with cries of "racism." So neither the healthcare/preparedness issue will be solved (cuz socialism) or the China problem be solved (cuz racism).

[midnightpulp]

30k was imminent, mono. 160 million Americans were working, all getting a paycheck.

We'll be fortunate if 100 million of that amount doesn't end up on a bread line.
Yes, we have and have installed some attractive safeguards, but, if this thing goes haywire we'll know what fucked is.

This is the first time in my 60+ years where we ain't sure. We're talking big, but, we ain't sure & you can see it.

We'll be fine, just have to take it on the chin for about a year or more, Cub. The unemployment thing was always going to happen, shutdown or no shutdown, because businesses that rely on some sort of crowd (bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, casinos, etc) were going to take a hit regardless. People aren't going to want to go out and risk catching this bug. And yes, it's contagious. We don't have herd immunity plus vaccine. Pretty much every American will get it at some point (could take 10 years). We don't collectively fear the flu like this because we have vaccine, anti-viral treatments, and a degree of herd immunity.

But in a year, that herd immunity will be built up enough (say, 30 million Americans), the vaccine will soon follow, and there will be proven anti-virals that work, and THEN this will basically be the flu (I do believe mortality is around flu levels when all the data gets in).

[MannyIsGod]

Thought this article was interesting because I haven't seen much stuff focused on the hospitals - especially not here in TX.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/houston-hasn-t-reported-surge-coronavirus-cases-its-hospitals-tell-n1175291

Hospitals here show a surge much greater than the actual test numbers but they're still holding out well. Hope we continue to see our healthcare here keep pace.

[picnroll]

Colorado governor ordered a lock down and now just enacted a mandatory state wide mask requirement. Why is the Texas governor such a lame incompetent?

[MannyIsGod]

We'll be fine, just have to take it on the chin for about a year or more, Cub. The unemployment thing was always going to happen, shutdown or no shutdown, because businesses that rely on some sort of crowd (bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, casinos, etc) were going to take a hit regardless. People aren't going to want to go out and risk catching this bug. And yes, it's contagious. We don't have herd immunity plus vaccine. Pretty much every American will get it at some point (could take 10 years). We don't collectively fear the flu like this because we have vaccine, anti-viral treatments, and a degree of herd immunity.

But in a year, that herd immunity will be built up enough (say, 30 million Americans), the vaccine will soon follow, and there will be proven anti-virals that work, and THEN this will basically be the flu (I do believe mortality is around flu levels when all the data gets in).

Anyone who thinks taht we weren't going to take an even bigger economic hit if our healthcare system completely collapsed under the weight of this thing is idiotic. Its so frustrating that the public debate is dominated not by disagreements on the details but disagreements on fucking reality.

[MannyIsGod]

Colorado governor ordered a lock down and now just enacted a mandatory state wide mask requirement. Why is the Texas governor such a lame incompetent?

We're likely going to make some masks this weekend but man people are going to have a hard time getting them.

[monosylab1k]

30k was imminent, mono. 160 million Americans were working, all getting a paycheck.

We'll be fortunate if 100 million of that amount doesn't end up on a bread line.
Yes, we have and have installed some attractive safeguards, but, if this thing goes haywire we'll know what fucked is.

This is the first time in my 60+ years where we ain't sure. We're talking big, but, we ain't sure & you can see it.

“Apathetic bloody planet, I’ve no sympathy at all”

[ElNono]

Nations with Mandatory TB Vaccines Show Fewer Coronavirus Deaths
New study finds a correlation, but clinical trials are still in progress

Countries with mandatory policies to vaccinate against tuberculosis register fewer coronavirus deaths than countries that don’t have those policies, a new study has found.

The preliminary study posted on medRxiv, a site for unpublished medical research, finds a correlation between countries that require citizens to get the bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) vaccine and those showing fewer number of confirmed cases and deaths from Covid-19. Though only a correlation, clinicians in at least six countries are running trials that involve giving frontline health workers and elderly people the BCG vaccine to see whether it can indeed provide some level of protection against the new coronavirus.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-02/fewer-coronavirus-deaths-seen-in-countries-that-mandate-tb-vaccine

[picnroll]

We're likely going to make some masks this weekend but man people are going to have a hard time getting them.


https://www.businessinsider.com/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4

[ElNono]

We'll be fine, just have to take it on the chin for about a year or more, Cub. The unemployment thing was always going to happen, shutdown or no shutdown, because businesses that rely on some sort of crowd (bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, casinos, etc) were going to take a hit regardless. People aren't going to want to go out and risk catching this bug. And yes, it's contagious. We don't have herd immunity plus vaccine. Pretty much every American will get it at some point (could take 10 years). We don't collectively fear the flu like this because we have vaccine, anti-viral treatments, and a degree of herd immunity.

But in a year, that herd immunity will be built up enough (say, 30 million Americans), the vaccine will soon follow, and there will be proven anti-virals that work, and THEN this will basically be the flu (I do believe mortality is around flu levels when all the data gets in).

I read that herd immunity only comes into play after 50%+ of the population has gotten and recovered from the disease. That'd be ~150 million americans... so, really can't rely on that at this time.

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/mcjesse/status/1245773598750433280?s=21

Will hold true if Trump is not beat.

[Reck]

Read that something like 98% of the country is on stay at home orders.

I think it's time to make that mandatory nation wide.