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hater
03-05-2020, 11:14 PM
fuck... virginia had some people tested but none came positive. maryland is next door

sadly VA is fucked

3 ppl in MD had up to 2 weeks to infect whole DC region

hater
03-05-2020, 11:19 PM
this map.... :lmao hoy shit

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html

boutons_deux
03-05-2020, 11:23 PM
CaCO3 (not good for pipes but possibly good for bones.

I asked my urologist. The calcium in water is not "bio available", will not get into skeleton

SnakeBoy
03-05-2020, 11:29 PM
So here is the 2nd official study of pt outcomes in China. This was a study of 1099 patients (1st study I linked to was only 44 patients)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032

tldr:

5% were admitted to ICU
2.3% required invasive mechanical ventilation
1.4% Died

"Since patients who were mildly ill and who did not seek medical attention were not included in our study, the case fatality rate in a real-world scenario might be even lower."

TSA
03-05-2020, 11:44 PM
So here is the 2nd official study of pt outcomes in China. This was a study of 1099 patients (1st study I linked to was only 44 patients)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2002032

tldr:

5% were admitted to ICU
2.3% required invasive mechanical ventilation
1.4% Died

"Since patients who were mildly ill and who did not seek medical attention were not included in our study, the case fatality rate in a real-world scenario might be even lower."

Impossible. MSM mocked Trump’s hunch endlessly.

SnakeBoy
03-05-2020, 11:57 PM
Congress warned of possible coronavirus exposure that may have occurred at AIPAC conference
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/congress-warned-possible-coronavirus-exposure-that-occurred-at-aipac.html

Shit just got real for the DC elite

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 01:15 AM
I think we see a deadly pandemic that wipes out hundreds of millions of people (potentially billions) in the next 50 years. This just isn’t it.It doesn't have to be that bad to matter. It just has to be bad enough to jam up héalth care delivery.

We're not out of the woods yet. If the mortality rate is only .5%, that's five times deadlier than the seasonal flu, which kills 60,000 yearly in the US.

If it's 1%-2% that's pretty drastic for a pathogen that's more contagious than the average bug.

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 02:30 AM
I think we see a deadly pandemic that wipes out hundreds of millions of people (potentially billions) in the next 50 years. This just isn’t it.

I disagree. I think this one is scary enough that we will see a revolution in the our ability to quickly respond to new viruses with rapid vaccines, antivirals, etc.

H1n1, SARS, MERS, Ebola all sparked some initial investment but funding (both private & public) dried up as soon as public interest waned. This time seems different.

ElNono
03-06-2020, 04:06 AM
Will Biden, Bernie and Trump visit the victims in Seattle, tbh? Where's det leadership when you need it?

Thread
03-06-2020, 05:12 AM
Impossible. MSM mocked Trump’s hunch endlessly.

...not all the way, TSA. At the very end of the "mocked" they'd (CNN!) reserve a bit of "even if the hunch is accurate it's not right of him to hunch like that, Dr. Gupta."...followed by a lot of stern nodding by the others.

hater
03-06-2020, 06:51 AM
Will Biden, Bernie and Trump visit the victims in Seattle, tbh? Where's det leadership when you need it?

its highly likely DC workers already have this, which means govmt workers


I would not be surprised if congress workers are infected and are infecting the old geezers that run this country. Corona will do a clean sweep of all these old folk probably. Term limits? :lmao Corona says hold my beer :lol

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 08:03 AM
5% were admitted to ICU
2.3% required invasive mechanical ventilation
1.4% Died

14x worse than seasonal flu, no problem, right, shitkickers?

2.3% intubated?

5% in ICU

1000s of recklessly uninsured / underinsured people gonna be impoverished, bankrupted by medical bills

vaccine expert / epidemiologist Trash is joyously, hilariously, appropriately MOCKED, RIDICULED for ALL his self-serving bullshit

CosmicCowboy
03-06-2020, 08:06 AM
I still say, for you young guys this may be the stock buying opportunity of your lifetime. This virus hysteria will pass eventually.


oops. related, but wrong thread.

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 09:44 AM
The timing of public intervention matters. Crossing fingers and hoping it won't be as deadly as it seems to be is a dangerous game.

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hater
03-06-2020, 09:45 AM
early quarantine and shut down cities. thats the key

US doesnt do that and it will be mayhem

hater
03-06-2020, 09:51 AM
https://twitter.com/cheddar/status/1234933892379009024?s=21

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 09:52 AM
early quarantine and shut down cities. thats the key

US doesnt do that and it will be mayhemIf you look at the results tab @ the study, even much milder measures like school closures and public gathering bans can have a significant effect.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/208354

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 10:09 AM
Same logic as the 2008 crash: commercial risks get socialized (big bailouts to big firms and institutions) while ordinary citizens are left to twist in the wind.

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picnroll
03-06-2020, 10:11 AM
Pence pinning the blame on China, not that China doesn’t have a heaping share of responsibility, but he’s trying to divert attention from the Trump administration’s incompetent bumbling of the situation.

8:50 am: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accuses China of setting back coronavirus prevention efforts

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused China of putting the rest of the world “behind the curve” in trying to contain the coronavirus outbreak. Pompeo said it has proven “incredibly frustrating” to work with the Chinese government around obtaining data on the coronavirus, “which will ultimately be the solution to both getting the vaccine and attacking this risk.”

“Remember, this is the Wuhan coronavirus that’s caused this, and the information that we got at the front end of this thing wasn’t perfect and has led us now to a place where much of the challenge we face today has put us behind the curve,” Pompeo said in an interview with CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” —Stankiewicz

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 10:11 AM
If you look at the results tab @ the study, even much milder measures like school closures and public gathering bans can have a significant effect.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/208354

Jews have closed synagogues and Jewish schools in Brooklyn, but of course, if non-Jews are running around infected ...

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 10:12 AM
early quarantine and shut down cities. thats the key

US doesnt do that and it will be mayhem


Lol, no

And I'm sure the media wouldn't absolutely freak out if Trump tried that. :lol

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 10:14 AM
Pence pinning the blame on China, not that China doesn’t have a heaping share of responsibility, but he’s trying to divert attention from the Trump administration’s incompetent bumbling of the situation.

8:50 am: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accuses China of setting back coronavirus prevention efforts

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused China of putting the rest of the world “behind the curve” in trying to contain the coronavirus outbreak. Pompeo said it has proven “incredibly frustrating” to work with the Chinese government around obtaining data on the coronavirus, “which will ultimately be the solution to both getting the vaccine and attacking this risk.”

“Remember, this is the Wuhan coronavirus that’s caused this, and the information that we got at the front end of this thing wasn’t perfect and has led us now to a place where much of the challenge we face today has put us behind the curve,” Pompeo said in an interview with CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” —StankiewiczIt's idiotic to blame China publicly if, as Pompeo claims, we need their cooperation.

Who thought this guy would be a good diplomat?

Oh, right..

hater
03-06-2020, 10:17 AM
Lol, no

And I'm sure the media wouldn't absolutely freak out if Trump tried that. :lol

gotta face the music sooner or later.

better sooner than later as Wuhan has taught us

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 10:21 AM
Lol, no

And I'm sure the media wouldn't absolutely freak out if Trump tried that. :lolWhat would be reasonable/practicable measures?

God forbid we should ever see another 1919 flu, but it's likelier than not that we eventually will.

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 10:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

florige
03-06-2020, 10:57 AM
sadly VA is fucked

3 ppl in MD had up to 2 weeks to infect whole DC region


It's all these oversee's people coming back to the US infected. The three here are all in Montgomery County MD, and all three had came back from Italy.

DMX7
03-06-2020, 11:00 AM
3 ppl in MD had up to 2 weeks to infect whole DC region

Testing and containment were the two most important things to have done from the start and they were both botched by the administration. Now were in damage control mode.

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 11:12 AM
Does Kudlow get sauced before he goes on TV? Claiming we've got COVID-19 contained is disinformation of the first order. We barely tried to contain it, and now it's too late to. All we can do is mitigate the spread.

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SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 11:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54

I see socialism :lol

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 11:31 AM
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago.

Then the money dried up.


"We just could not generate much interest," a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091

CosmicCowboy
03-06-2020, 11:38 AM
Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago.

Then the money dried up.


"We just could not generate much interest," a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091

This isn't SARS.

Thread
03-06-2020, 11:43 AM
Testing and containment were the two most important things to have done from the start and they were both botched by the administration. Now were in damage control mode.

...with 8+ billion dollars. Gonna have the time of their lives with that dough...& big of 'em:::they're gonna request that insurance companies discount the cost of that Corona Test. It's usually about 3k a test.

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 11:53 AM
https://2vwlfu3ynqxb3npfhm3m8lde-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trump-sick.jpg


Trump Humiliatingly Flip-Flops And Decides To Go To CDC

After getting criticized for canceling his trip due to coronavirus fears,

Trump flip-flopped and

decided to visit the CDC in Atlanta.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/06/trump-ridiculously-flip-flops-and-decides-to-go-to-cdc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/06/trump-ridiculously-flip-flops-and-decides-to-go-to-cdc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)

hater
03-06-2020, 12:06 PM
Go eat lobsters ma nigas

they are at bargain price and the business will probably cease to exist for a while

this is cause China completely stopped buying them and US suppliers are fucked and will go bankrupt

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 12:13 PM
This isn't SARS.I agree. It could be not as bad, it could be worse.

The economic/social disruption has arguably been worse already.

picnroll
03-06-2020, 12:16 PM
https://2vwlfu3ynqxb3npfhm3m8lde-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Trump-sick.jpg


Trump Humiliatingly Flip-Flops And Decides To Go To CDC

After getting criticized for canceling his trip due to coronavirus fears,

Trump flip-flopped and

decided to visit the CDC in Atlanta.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/06/trump-ridiculously-flip-flops-and-decides-to-go-to-cdc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29 (https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/06/trump-ridiculously-flip-flops-and-decides-to-go-to-cdc.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+politicususa%2FfJAl+%28Politi cus+USA+%29)



Maybe his bone spurs that were acting up.

Thread
03-06-2020, 12:23 PM
Can't wait till "the millions of tests arrive." At that point they'll play hell trying to talk millions of Americans into taking the damn thing.

You'd have to be nuts to take it.

CosmicCowboy
03-06-2020, 12:33 PM
I agree. It could be not as bad, it could be worse.

The economic/social disruption has arguably been worse already.

No, I meant the vaccine in the article was SARS specific.

Sheriff Hoyt
03-06-2020, 12:34 PM
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Winehole23
03-06-2020, 12:45 PM
No, I meant the vaccine in the article was SARS specific.Gotcha

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 12:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54


USA: "Beef -- It's what's for dinner!"

China: "Anything -- ..."

Winehole23
03-06-2020, 12:59 PM
1235980748076744704Trump Administration emphasizing the low number of cases is a mistake. As testing ramps up and COVID-19 continues to spread, the increase in diagnosed cases will be geometric for a spell.

Explaining that might have better prepared the public for "scary looking numbers" that are more or less inevitable at this point.

FrostKing
03-06-2020, 01:02 PM
https://i.ibb.co/GQyBhsF/IMG-20200306-WA0000.jpg

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 01:05 PM
USA: "Beef -- It's what's for dinner!"

China: "Anything -- ..."

Always nice to have a fucking pandemic caused by Chinese elites who want to be able to eat bats and buy endangered species in one shithole market.

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 01:07 PM
No, I meant the vaccine in the article was SARS specific.

If that's the vaccine sitting frozen at Baylor. They are pitching that it "could" work against Covid-19 with some modification, basically trying to get money to restart their project. Problem is that it's a traditional vaccine and would likely be years to market. That's why nobody is is throwing money at them now.

All the money is going to the engineered DNA vaccine companies.

TimDunkem
03-06-2020, 01:15 PM
First case of human to dog has been reported. :lol

weebo
03-06-2020, 01:17 PM
early quarantine and shut down cities. thats the key

US doesnt do that and it will be mayhem

It's here and its been here since early January....at least in my part of Texas. I have access to medical records because of my job title....there's a lot of cases here in Texas that have gone unreported...so far from what I have seen the elderly have been hit the hardest....we're suspecting a lot of them + for COVID-19 with resulting acute/diffuse PE resulting in O2 supplementation or intubation with mechanical ventilation in ~ 25-30% of cases...the med dx being used by hospitals is acute PE/respiratory distress but all the s/s point to COVID-19/SARS-2...I would post proof but I would be in violation of HIPPA

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 01:19 PM
Always nice to have a fucking pandemic caused by Chinese elites who want to be able to eat bats and buy endangered species in one shithole market.

High price to pay for erectile dysfunction. That whole risk/reward thing doesn't add up

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 01:20 PM
It's here and its been here since early January....at least in my part of Texas. I have access to medical records because of my job title....there's a lot of cases here in Texas that have gone unreported...so far from what I have seen the elderly have been hit the hardest....we're suspecting a lot of them + for COVID-19 with resulting acute/diffuse PE resulting in O2 supplementation or intubation with mechanical ventilation in ~ 25-30% of cases...the med dx being used by hospitals is acute PE/respiratory distress but all the s/s point to COVID-19/SARS-2...I would post proof but I would be in violation of HIPPA

What part of Texas?

spurraider21
03-06-2020, 01:22 PM
First case of human to dog has been reported. :lol
dont know why but reminded me of this :lol

https://i.gyazo.com/42a3b37b4bb3259674dfd3e251344b40.png

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 01:33 PM
dont know why but reminded me of this :lol

https://i.gyazo.com/42a3b37b4bb3259674dfd3e251344b40.png

:lol

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 01:37 PM
It's here and its been here since early January....at least in my part of Texas. I have access to medical records because of my job title....there's a lot of cases here in Texas that have gone unreported...so far from what I have seen the elderly have been hit the hardest....we're suspecting a lot of them + for COVID-19 with resulting acute/diffuse PE resulting in O2 supplementation or intubation with mechanical ventilation in ~ 25-30% of cases...the med dx being used by hospitals is acute PE/respiratory distress but all the s/s point to COVID-19/SARS-2...I would post proof but I would be in violation of HIPPA

None in December though? I have a neighbor who was completely fucked with pneumonia but I think it started around Christmas and took him a month to kick.

spurraider21
03-06-2020, 01:46 PM
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VengefulTimelyGreatwhiteshark-size_restricted.gif

hater
03-06-2020, 01:50 PM
It's here and its been here since early January....at least in my part of Texas. I have access to medical records because of my job title....there's a lot of cases here in Texas that have gone unreported...so far from what I have seen the elderly have been hit the hardest....we're suspecting a lot of them + for COVID-19 with resulting acute/diffuse PE resulting in O2 supplementation or intubation with mechanical ventilation in ~ 25-30% of cases...the med dx being used by hospitals is acute PE/respiratory distress but all the s/s point to COVID-19/SARS-2...I would post proof but I would be in violation of HIPPA

what % of population do you think already got this?

Im starting to think most of us already got it? that would be good news as it means its just another flu except on those extreme cases where it kills faster than a flu

also any cases affecting nervous system? like SARS?

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 01:52 PM
It's here and its been here since early January....at least in my part of Texas.

For San Antonio, I know something for absolute fact that I cannot post. It's not definitive proof but I'll just say...I will not dispute that.

picnroll
03-06-2020, 01:57 PM
1:21 pm: New York Gov. Cuomo says CDC coronavirus response is ‘absurd and nonsensical’

New York Gov. Cuomo criticized the federal government’s response to the COVID-19 outbreak, calling it “absurd and nonsensical.”

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were slow to initially test people for the virus, he said, before — “in a tardy fashion” — changing the policy to allow states to test. The Trump administration’s management of the outbreak isn’t just “bad government and poor planning,” Cuomo said at a press conference, but will also “increase the fear.”

Local and state officials across the country have criticized the CDC’s testing criteria, scarcity of tests and poor communication. —Feuer

Trump’s fucked. He can’t BS his way out of this incompetence.

Thread
03-06-2020, 02:03 PM
1:21 pm: New York Gov. Cuomo says CDC coronavirus response is ‘absurd and nonsensical’

New York Gov. Cuomo criticized the federal government’s response to the COVID-19 outbreak, calling it “absurd and nonsensical.”

Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were slow to initially test people for the virus, he said, before — “in a tardy fashion” — changing the policy to allow states to test. The Trump administration’s management of the outbreak isn’t just “bad government and poor planning,” Cuomo said at a press conference, but will also “increase the fear.”

Local and state officials across the country have criticized the CDC’s testing criteria, scarcity of tests and poor communication. —Feuer

Trump’s fucked. He can’t BS his way out of this incompetence.

...he was fucked the moment he left Hillary where he found her.

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 02:09 PM
Always nice to have a fucking pandemic caused by Chinese elites who want to be able to eat bats and buy endangered species in one shithole market.

and use gorilla hands for ashtrays, and bear balls, rhino horn, and tiger balls for dick hardener (or something), and then ordering tons of poached ivory from endangered elephants. about 5 elephants / day slaughtered for ivory

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 02:14 PM
It's here and its been here since early January....at least in my part of Texas. I have access to medical records because of my job title....there's a lot of cases here in Texas that have gone unreported...so far from what I have seen the elderly have been hit the hardest....we're suspecting a lot of them + for COVID-19 with resulting acute/diffuse PE resulting in O2 supplementation or intubation with mechanical ventilation in ~ 25-30% of cases...the med dx being used by hospitals is acute PE/respiratory distress but all the s/s point to COVID-19/SARS-2...I would post proof but I would be in violation of HIPPA


For San Antonio, I know something for absolute fact that I cannot post. It's not definitive proof but I'll just say...I will not dispute that.


Wow, you guys making me paranoid. Thanks.

My wife has had a bad cough for the last few days, but she has bad allergies. No fever though.

picnroll
03-06-2020, 02:19 PM
A lot of cases weebo is sighting may be conventional flu which hit harder than usual this year.

But...

France has 613 confirmed cases of coronavirus, the head of the public health service, Jerome Salomon, said on Friday, which is an increase of 190 compared to a day earlier. During a press briefing, he added the death toll from the disease was still at nine and that 39 persons were in intensive care. —Reuters

That’s a pretty high percent of confirmed cases dead or in intensive care. But again who knows how many undiagnostic and not ill of very mildly ill there are.

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 02:35 PM
For San Antonio, I know something for absolute fact that I cannot post. It's not definitive proof but I'll just say...I will not dispute that.

Let me guess. Marco has it, then Pop made out with him and got it too. Hence Tim coaching last game? What do I win?

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 02:40 PM
Wow, you guys making me paranoid. Thanks.


Wasn't my intent.

I guess I can say...

CDC will not authorize testing anyone that falls outside of their timeline. This applies to with person's with lingering suspicious mild to moderate illness who were in (or on) well publicized hotspots shortly before they became known hotspots. Even if they've been tested for literally every other possible viral/bacterial illness and been shown negative.

Supposedly, within a week the test kits will be available for private physicians to order on their own.

Do not be surprised if soon it "appears" like the virus is spreading at record speed.

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 02:40 PM
Let me guess. Marco has it, then Pop made out with him and got it too. Hence Tim coaching last game? What do I win?

:lol

I'm not trolling this time tbh

weebo
03-06-2020, 02:41 PM
None in December though? I have a neighbor who was completely fucked with pneumonia but I think it started around Christmas and took him a month to kick.

It's very possible...at that time very few were aware of this particular viral strain and a lot (including myself) were dx with a URI even after testing neg- for influenza

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 02:46 PM
Joyce Vance accused President Donald Trump of having his administration

slow-walk the release of testing kits in an effort to tamp down reports of infected Americans.

the slow release of test kits strikes her as suspicious and

suggested that the president and members of his administration don’t want people tested

because

they fear the tests will reveal that the epidemic is worse than the White House is letting on.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-has-a-selfish-reason-for-holding-back-coronavirus-testing-kits-ex-prosecutor/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3903 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-has-a-selfish-reason-for-holding-back-coronavirus-testing-kits-ex-prosecutor/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3903)

weebo
03-06-2020, 02:47 PM
what % of population do you think already got this?

Im starting to think most of us already got it? that would be good news as it means its just another flu except on those extreme cases where it kills faster than a flu

also any cases affecting nervous system? like SARS?

It really hard to say how many people have already been infected and recovered...for many the symptoms may have been mild enough not to bother and for those (like myself) who were somewhat symptomatic were dx with RI or "flu"....I haven't come across any pts with neurological residual effects caused by this or any other virus...

weebo
03-06-2020, 02:55 PM
Wow, you guys making me paranoid. Thanks.

My wife has had a bad cough for the last few days, but she has bad allergies. No fever though.

:lol sorry that wasn't my intention at all

I was hoping to calm some nerves here....there's no reason to panic but be vigilant...most of you have been on point with the info you're sharing...this is my own clinical opinion...this is worse than the yearly flu BUT for our most vulnerable populations...healthy adults tend to get symptoms but are so mild than many don't bother to go see their PCP

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 02:57 PM
It's very possible...at that time very few were aware of this particular viral strain and a lot (including myself) were dx with a URI even after testing neg- for influenza

Damn my next door neighbor said no one could figure out what it was causing his pneumonia either two months ago, and he had a really nasty case, tested negative for everything. That's fucking comforting.

If that's what played out then maybe I it from him in January because I'm always talking to him out in the yard when I take my dog out and I was out sick for a few days with a fever, but didn't bother to see a doctor since I wasn't getting any kind pneumonia symptoms or anything too worrying. Just felt like a kind of rough cold (and I had already gotten this year's flu shot). :lol

weebo
03-06-2020, 02:57 PM
A lot of cases weebo is sighting may be conventional flu which hit harder than usual this year.

But...

France has 613 confirmed cases of coronavirus, the head of the public health service, Jerome Salomon, said on Friday, which is an increase of 190 compared to a day earlier. During a press briefing, he added the death toll from the disease was still at nine and that 39 persons were in intensive care. —Reuters

That’s a pretty high percent of confirmed cases dead or in intensive care. But again who knows how many undiagnostic and not ill of very mildly ill there are.

Tested neg- for the flu...hence the admitting med dx I posted...

Nathan89
03-06-2020, 03:01 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235786467420581888?s=20

Probably already posted but I'm not looking and I'm sure some haven't seen this.

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 03:10 PM
:lol sorry that wasn't my intention at all

I was hoping to calm some nerves here....there's no reason to panic but be vigilant...most of you have been on point with the info you're sharing...this is my own clinical opinion...this is worse than the yearly flu BUT for our most vulnerable populations...healthy adults tend to get symptoms but are so mild than many don't bother to go see their PCP


I just want to make sure I don't interact with any older relatives, if here's even a remote possibility I or my wife have been infected.

My wife had lunch with her mom today. Her mom is in her 70s and in poor health

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 03:15 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235786467420581888?s=20

Probably already posted but I'm not looking and I'm sure some haven't seen this.

Setting the table for what they know is about to happen when testing is taken out of their hands imo.

I guess the private market taking over testing is a good thing or a bad thing depending on your political bent,

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 03:28 PM
I just want to make sure I don't interact with any older relatives, if here's even a remote possibility I or my wife have been infected.

My wife had lunch with her mom today. Her mom is in her 70s and in poor health

Yeah man I have a 4.5 month old niece and a two year old nephew I guess I'm staying away from for a while.

weebo
03-06-2020, 03:35 PM
I just want to make sure I don't interact with any older relatives, if here's even a remote possibility I or my wife have been infected.

My wife had lunch with her mom today. Her mom is in her 70s and in poor health

I totally understand your concern...if you feel like you might be coming down with something its best to stay away until confirmed that you're fine...from what I've gathered through all the trainings/meetings Ive attended the last couple of weeks is that we're expecting 60-80% of adults at some point get this infection...but take that number with a grain of salt...the health department is a joke

hater
03-06-2020, 04:05 PM
Yeah man I have a 4.5 month old niece and a two year old nephew I guess I'm staying away from for a while.

no child has died yet

scientists think they are either immune(cannot catch it) or have mild symptoms

hope so. I also have baby nieces/nephews

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 04:05 PM
It's here and its been here since early January....at least in my part of Texas. I have access to medical records because of my job title....there's a lot of cases here in Texas that have gone unreported...so far from what I have seen the elderly have been hit the hardest....we're suspecting a lot of them + for COVID-19 with resulting acute/diffuse PE resulting in O2 supplementation or intubation with mechanical ventilation in ~ 25-30% of cases...the med dx being used by hospitals is acute PE/respiratory distress but all the s/s point to COVID-19/SARS-2...I would post proof but I would be in violation of HIPPA

Do you know if suspected serious cases are being given any off label treatments such as higher dose oseltamivir, chloroquine, etc.

Or is it a waiting for confirmation/guidance situation?

Nathan89
03-06-2020, 04:18 PM
Wow, you guys making me paranoid. Thanks.

My wife has had a bad cough for the last few days, but she has bad allergies. No fever though.

I have the same virus symptoms tbh

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 04:22 PM
I have the same virus symptoms tbh

Work from home, if you can.

I don't know how a person is supposed distinguish between those symptoms and common allergies

phxspurfan
03-06-2020, 04:26 PM
For San Antonio, I know something for absolute fact that I cannot post. It's not definitive proof but I'll just say...I will not dispute that.

Go on, say it. Forbes sucks.

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 04:30 PM
EDIT: nm

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 04:40 PM
I don't know how a person is supposed distinguish between those symptoms and common allergies

If you normally have allergies this time of year and you feel like you have allergies then you have allergies

You can feel when it's "virusey" so to speak. Don't let yourself get paraniod.

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 04:46 PM
If you normally have allergies this time of year and you feel like you have allergies then you have allergies

You can feel when it's "virusey" so to speak. Don't let yourself get paraniod.


I hope that's what it is. :tu

No symptoms myself.

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 04:55 PM
If you normally have allergies this time of year and you feel like you have allergies then you have allergies

You can feel when it's "virusey" so to speak. Don't let yourself get paraniod.

Isn't a rule of thumb that if mucus is clear it's usually just allergies, if it's yellow or green it's often a bacterial or viral infection? Every time cedar pollen first hits in mass I'm blowing a ton of clear shit out of sinuses. Or is that bullshit?

koriwhat
03-06-2020, 04:56 PM
everyone stay away from mono!

SnakeBoy
03-06-2020, 05:00 PM
Isn't a rule of thumb that if mucus is clear it's usually just allergies, if it's yellow or green it's often a bacterial or viral infection? Every time cedar pollen first hits in mass I'm blowing a ton of clear shit out of sinuses. Or is that bullshit?

I forget the details but the colored snot is because of white blood cells so it usually means you're fighting an infection.

TSA
03-06-2020, 05:04 PM
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235786467420581888

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 05:55 PM
Austin canceled SXSW

koriwhat
03-06-2020, 06:00 PM
Austin canceled SXSW

good! that shit show of a fest should've been cancelled years ago.

baseline bum
03-06-2020, 06:10 PM
Austin canceled SXSW

Wonder how much time the Spurs season has left. At least for people being able to go to games.

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 06:13 PM
Wonder how much time the Spurs season has left. At least for people being able to go to games.

It will be nice when this season is a distant memory

DarrinS
03-06-2020, 06:19 PM
Hopefully, the playoffs won't be in empty arenas. I want the Toyota Center packed when Harden chokes again. :lol

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 07:48 PM
https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88301413_824080648096977_8963808630373613568_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=aZSshxDlPyAAX_fLhcI&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=a0a0bde68d108a8758f87ab63181387a&oe=5E97E43D

hater
03-06-2020, 08:12 PM
does this mean our spurs wont be able to win 50 games?

hater
03-06-2020, 08:27 PM
supposedly 189 virus cases in Latin America :wow

this would kill the theory that a warmer weather would make this go to sleep :wow

summer might not bring a breaather

https://twitter.com/natashafatah/status/1236020361990418432?s=21

if this is the case, this is gotta be bioengineered

picnroll
03-06-2020, 08:39 PM
supposedly 189 virus cases in Latin America :wow

this would kill the theory that a warmer weather would make this go to sleep :wow

summer might not bring a breaather

https://twitter.com/natashafatah/status/1236020361990418432?s=21

if this is the case, this is gotta be bioengineered

https://www.investors.com/news/technology/coronavirus-treatment-gild-stock-rockets-looming-test-results/

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3549482-gilead-up-3-ahead-of-expected-covidminus-19-drug-data-readout

Appears to be the best short term hope.

picnroll
03-06-2020, 09:04 PM
One slide in a leaked presentation for US hospitals reveals that they're preparing for millions of hospitalizations as the outbreak unfolds

Hospitals are confronting the rising threat of the novel coronavirus in the US.
The spread of the coronavirus outbreak in the US could push the healthcare system to its limits.
In a February webinar presentation hosted by the American Hospital Association, an expert laid out "best guess" estimates about how many Americans could be impacted.
He projected that there could be as many as 96 million cases in the US, 4.8 million hospitalizations, and 480,000 deaths associated with the novel coronavirus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/presentation-us-hospitals-preparing-for-millions-of-hospitalizations-2020-3

TheGreatYacht
03-06-2020, 09:44 PM
https://youtu.be/3XAy-u-YzxY

boutons_deux
03-06-2020, 09:52 PM
Two U.S. health screeners at LAX test positive for coronavirus


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-lax/two-u-s-health-screeners-at-lax-test-positive-for-coronavirus-internal-email-idUSKBN20U03Z?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-lax/two-u-s-health-screeners-at-lax-test-positive-for-coronavirus-internal-email-idUSKBN20U03Z?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews)

TheGreatYacht
03-07-2020, 12:58 AM
New Evidence Shows Coronavirus Started In The US, Not China

https://youtu.be/XnXAyj31hTA

Winehole23
03-07-2020, 04:22 AM
New Evidence Shows Coronavirus Started In The US, Not China

https://youtu.be/XnXAyj31hTAWere there any Jews involved? How does this tie in with the zionist-occupied.gov?

Winehole23
03-07-2020, 04:32 AM
Work from home, if you can.

I don't know how a person is supposed distinguish between those symptoms and common allergies

My dad had open heart surgery on Xmas Eve. For the first week of recovery, my brother and sister and uncle and stepmom were there. For the second week, everyone went home and my stepmom had to go back to work -- she's a therapist, it was ethical for her. Her patients were starting to decompensate.

So I went out, it was January and I was beset with cedar fever, or so I thought. Perhaps it was at the beginning, then it turned into a bad cold.

So I sat across the room from my dad in the rehab hospital, with a mask on all day, blowing my nose in the bathroom 25 times a day, washing my hands a 50 times day, watching CNBC, reading, chatting, going to PT and OT sessions, watching police procedurals into the early evening for five days, then helped him get settled at home after the discharge.

I was scared to death I'd give him my cold. So glad that didn't happen, it easily could have happened.

ElNono
03-07-2020, 07:46 AM
Can't wait till "the millions of tests arrive." At that point they'll play hell trying to talk millions of Americans into taking the damn thing.

You'd have to be nuts to take it.

Why wouldn't you take it? It's the epitome of selfishness to be spreading this shit around and pretending to be clueless about it. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

ElNono
03-07-2020, 07:52 AM
My dad had open heart surgery on Xmas Eve. For the first week of recovery, my brother and sister and uncle and stepmom were there. For the second week, everyone went home and my stepmom had to go back to work -- she's a therapist, it was ethical for her. Her patients were starting to decompensate.

So I went out, it was January and I was beset with cedar fever, or so I thought. Perhaps it was at the beginning, then it turned into a bad cold.

So I sat across the room from my dad in the rehab hospital, with a mask on all day, blowing my nose in the bathroom 25 times a day, washing my hands a 50 times day, watching CNBC, reading, chatting, going to PT and OT sessions, watching police procedurals into the early evening for five days, then helped him get settled at home after the discharge.

I was scared to death I'd give him my cold. So glad that didn't happen, it easily could have happened.

Hope he's doing better.

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 10:41 AM
Trump made a damning admission about

why he wants to keep passengers on a cruise ship with coronavirus

Trash did just that when he revealed he wanted to keep passengers on a cruise ship exposed to Covid-19, the new coronavirus, quarantined on the vessel —

not for public safety reasons or to reduce the spread of the disease —

but so that they wouldn’t count as American cases of the illness.

“I (it's all about I) like the numbers being where they are,” Trump said. “

I (it's all about I)don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship.”

This is, of course, exactly what critics — including me — have been saying.

Trump isn’t worried about the public health crisis itself,

but the way it is reported and the impact it has on his public standing.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-made-a-damning-admission-about-why-he-wants-to-keep-passengers-on-a-cruise-ship-with-coronavirus/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3905

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 10:56 AM
Here are 7 ridiculous and disturbing moments from Trump’s visit to the CDC

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-06-at-5.40.09-PM-2-1024x577.png
Forgot his girdle? The Truth hangs out

1. Trump arrived wearing a campaign hat to the CDC.

2. Trump lied and said anyone who wants to get tested for the virus can be tested.

3. Trump compared the tests to the conduct that got him impeached.

4. Trump cited Fox News for data on the virus, rather than the administration he leads.

5. Trump went off on a tangent about the ratings for his Fox News town hall.

6. Robert Redfield, the director of the CDC, said the “most important thing” he wanted to say was praise of Trump.

Redfield deep throating: "I want to thank you, for your decisive leadership and helping us put public health first. " :lol :lol

7. Trump lashed out at Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, who is dealing with a major outbreak in the state.

"that Gov is a snake, OK? Inslee,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/here-are-7-ridiculous-and-disturbing-moments-from-trumps-visit-to-the-cdc/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3905

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 12:34 PM
‘Maybe I have a natural ability’: :lol

Trump plays medical expert on coronavirus by second-guessing the professionals

he suggested he would have thrived in another profession — medical expert.

“I like this stuff. I really get it,” :lol

Citing a “great, super-genius uncle” who taught at MIT, Trump professed that it must run in the family genes.

“People are really surprised I understand this stuff,” he said.

“Every one of these doctors :lol said,

‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability.” :lol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/maybe-i-have-a-natural-ability-trump-plays-medical-expert-on-coronavirus-by-second-guessing-the-professionals/2020/03/06/3ee0574c-5ffb-11ea-9055-5fa12981bbbf_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/maybe-i-have-a-natural-ability-trump-plays-medical-expert-on-coronavirus-by-second-guessing-the-professionals/2020/03/06/3ee0574c-5ffb-11ea-9055-5fa12981bbbf_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)

this Trash motherfucker is so emotionally, intellectually, psychologically FUCKED UP

Sheriff Hoyt
03-07-2020, 12:39 PM
76 cases in New York now

Thread
03-07-2020, 12:40 PM
Why wouldn't you take it? It's the epitome of selfishness to be spreading this shit around and pretending to be clueless about it. Be part of the solution, not the problem.

Once (centered) will there be a choice to (take it?)

Then, THEN we will see the tables turned. MSM playing the short game is a wonderment.

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 12:44 PM
https://images.dailykos.com/images/772607/story_image/PendejovirusWEB.jpg?1583127182

hater
03-07-2020, 01:33 PM
Coronavirus in Paraguay

its like 100 degrees everyday there. If there is community spread there then we are fucked this summer

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 01:48 PM
Coronavirus in Paraguay

its like 100 degrees everyday there. If there is community spread there then we are fucked this summer

Trash has said the virus will be stopped in April by warmer weather. Is he lying?

Spurs Homer
03-07-2020, 02:03 PM
Coronavirus in Paraguay

its like 100 degrees everyday there. If there is community spread there then we are fucked this summer


wut?

you think we gonna make it til summer?


:rollin:rollin

Pelicans78
03-07-2020, 03:05 PM
Trash has said the virus will be stopped in April by warmer weather. Is he lying?



He’s pretty much lying. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

phxspurfan
03-07-2020, 03:14 PM
Coronavirus in Paraguay

its like 100 degrees everyday there. If there is community spread there then we are fucked this summer

People still get colds/flu during the summer, just not nearly as much. Time will tell if it spreads as quickly in the heat

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 03:16 PM
“Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper has urged American military commanders overseas

not to make any decisions related to the coronavirus

that might surprise the White House or run afoul of President Trump’s messaging on the growing health challenge…. :lol

Mr. Esper’s directive, ... is

the latest iteration of Mr.

Trump’s efforts to manage public fears over the disease,

even as it continues to spread around the world.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/donald-trump-has-become-the-leader-of-the-dumbest-suicide-cult-ever/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/donald-trump-has-become-the-leader-of-the-dumbest-suicide-cult-ever/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 08:30 PM
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/xjmfbigqkyqfxckwf0c7.jpg
https://2vwlfu3ynqxb3npfhm3m8lde-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/gaetz-cnn.jpg


Resident Dies In Matt Gaetz’s District After He Mocked Coronavirus


https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/07/matt-gaetz-coronavirus-death.html

boutons_deux
03-07-2020, 08:55 PM
U.S. airport screeners, health workers plagued by fear and anger as coronavirus spreads

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-workers-insight/u-s-airport-screeners-health-workers-plagued-by-fear-and-anger-as-coronavirus-spreads-idUSKBN20V00T?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29

CosmicCowboy
03-07-2020, 08:58 PM
Coronavirus in Paraguay

its like 100 degrees everyday there. If there is community spread there then we are fucked this summer

Did they travel from somewhere else?

DarrinS
03-07-2020, 09:53 PM
My dad had open heart surgery on Xmas Eve. For the first week of recovery, my brother and sister and uncle and stepmom were there. For the second week, everyone went home and my stepmom had to go back to work -- she's a therapist, it was ethical for her. Her patients were starting to decompensate.

So I went out, it was January and I was beset with cedar fever, or so I thought. Perhaps it was at the beginning, then it turned into a bad cold.

So I sat across the room from my dad in the rehab hospital, with a mask on all day, blowing my nose in the bathroom 25 times a day, washing my hands a 50 times day, watching CNBC, reading, chatting, going to PT and OT sessions, watching police procedurals into the early evening for five days, then helped him get settled at home after the discharge.

I was scared to death I'd give him my cold. So glad that didn't happen, it easily could have happened.


Sorry to hear that. Hope he is doing better.

I hear bad stories about hospitals. They are high risk environments for picking up infections that you didn't have going in. Obviously, some hospitals are better than others. I'm staying far clear of any doctors office or hospital, unless it's a dire situation.

ElNono
03-07-2020, 10:46 PM
Once (centered) will there be a choice to (take it?)

Then, THEN we will see the tables turned. MSM playing the short game is a wonderment.

you're overthinking this. If there's money to be made by making it mandatory, it will be.

FrostKing
03-07-2020, 10:50 PM
Did they travel from somewhere else?
Chiggas are everywhere

ducks
03-08-2020, 12:35 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
44 to blame

ducks
03-08-2020, 12:36 AM
16,000 die from flu every year in USA even with flu shots

Thread
03-08-2020, 05:10 AM
you're overthinking this. If there's money to be made by making it mandatory, it will be.

At 3k "MSRP on the West Coast." a test once it's established (it will be, MSM withstanding)...mandate that.

Thread
03-08-2020, 05:12 AM
16,000 die from flu every year in USA even with flu shots

Yep, over a million thru the last 2 decades.

They got their 8+ billion dollars. They can rest now. Like $ from home, eh?

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 06:29 AM
you're overthinking this. If there's money to be made by making it mandatory, it will be.

The predatory, extractive Capitalists are furiously working, "24/7", to produce even a useless covid-19 vaccine that will cost $1000 / shot

picnroll
03-08-2020, 10:09 AM
Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) tweeted that Grand Princess passengers were expected to be quarantined at the Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio. The base has been a quarantine site for evacuees from the coronavirus epicenter in Wuhan, China, and others exposed to the virus aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship last month.

DarrinS
03-08-2020, 10:20 AM
1236296139684577280

hater
03-08-2020, 10:52 AM
1236296139684577280

RIP old ppl tbqh

lets hope this hits congress and white house first

clean house, drain the swamp tbqh

Tulsi might end up the demicratic nominee :lmao

Thread
03-08-2020, 11:21 AM
The predatory, extractive Capitalists are furiously working, "24/7", to produce even a useless covid-19 vaccine that will cost $1000 / shot

But, that won't come from the $8 billion, bouts. Nope. That's (mad money). They're gonna hold onto that stipend with all their might & dole it out as they see fit. They'll discount that 1k down to 1/2 & then bill "us" for it.

hater
03-08-2020, 11:56 AM
yup the vaccine is a bullshit media hype talking point

we dont even know if it will mitate to many strains like flu which is likely and nobody mentions most americans will probabky be too poor or too redneck to take the vaccine :lmao

isnt Trump an anti vaxxer anyway :lmao

lmao ppl pinning their hopes on a scifi “vaccine” :lol

CosmicCowboy
03-08-2020, 12:03 PM
After 80% of us get it and most of us live through it we will finally develop herd immunity and it will just become a normal seasonal flu.

DMX7
03-08-2020, 12:06 PM
isnt Trump an anti vaxxer anyway

That was before he was president. Now that a virus is hurting the stock market, he doesn’t give a shit about potential side effects.

Will Hunting
03-08-2020, 12:06 PM
The media coverage of this thing has gotten insufferable. A lot of people get the flu and a small percentage of those people have weak immune systems and die from it. That’s all there is to it.

SnakeBoy
03-08-2020, 12:09 PM
Early Large Dose Intravenous Vitamin C is the Treatment of Choice for 2019-nCov Pneumonia
http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n11.shtml

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 12:12 PM
The media coverage of this thing has gotten insufferable. A lot of people get the flu and a small percentage of those people have weak immune systems and die from it. That’s all there is to it.

the difference is that 10x more infected people die from covid-19.

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 12:12 PM
Squandered time:

How the Trump administration lost control of the coronavirus crisis

“As of today, I can announce that the CDC has begun working with health departments in five cities to use its flu surveillance network to begin testing individuals with flu-like symptoms for the Chinese coronavirus,” Azar said.

“This effort will help see whether there is broader spread than we have been able to detect so far.” :lol

But there were two major problems:

The cities weren’t ready, :lol

and the tests didn’t work. :lol

In fact, when Azar’s team had sent his prepared remarks to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention before delivery, the agency pushed back and urged him to soften his language.

State health departments had not yet been informed of the plans :lol

— and were certain to be upset by them — and

the coronavirus test kits contained a faulty component that caused a spike in inconclusive results.

Azar announced the plans anyway, :lol sure, calm people down, protect Trash's reelection

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-response-squandered-time/2020/03/07/5c47d3d0-5fcb-11ea-9055-5fa12981bbbf_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-response-squandered-time/2020/03/07/5c47d3d0-5fcb-11ea-9055-5fa12981bbbf_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)

Will Hunting
03-08-2020, 12:16 PM
the difference is that 10x more infected people die from covid-19.
The mortality rate within the US is expected to be between 0.1% to 1% when it’s all said and done. The numbers are skewed right now because of third world shitholes that can’t properly medicate people.

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 12:17 PM
Trump didn't know flu killed people

the flu killed his grandfather

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 12:17 PM
1% is 10x 0.1%

Will Hunting
03-08-2020, 12:18 PM
The nursing home in Washington is an example. Those places are germ cesspools where people die from a flu outbreak all of the time. Nothing about the coronavirus is atypical there - they actually got off easy having only 6 residents die.

picnroll
03-08-2020, 12:26 PM
One difference is that in a normal year flu vaccine is available and approximately 50% of people get vaccinated, a high percent of those the elderly. There is no vaccine for COVID 19.

Will Hunting
03-08-2020, 12:27 PM
One difference is that in a normal year flu vaccine is available and approximately 50% of people get vaccinated, a high percent of those the elderly. There is no vaccine for COVID 19.
Yeah I’ll concede that as a difference. My point is that this should not be something that results in people wearing face masks and latex gloves everywhere they go.

Reck
03-08-2020, 12:29 PM
This is starting to affect multiple sporting events now. Both MotoGP and F1 have already cancelled some of their races this year.

Italy also quarantined like half the country, specifically where Ferrari is from. They might not even get to race in some races.

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 12:31 PM
A lot of Americans will be infected, don't have insurance, or not enough, and will not get treated.

iow, not so very different from the derided "3rd world" medical system. much of rural America and urban areas ARE 3rd world level of poverty and access to medical care.

Will Hunting
03-08-2020, 12:52 PM
This is starting to affect multiple sporting events now. Both MotoGP and F1 have already cancelled some of their races this year.

Italy also quarantined like half the country, specifically where Ferrari is from. They might not even get to race in some races.
:lol you a NASCAR fan brah?

picnroll
03-08-2020, 12:56 PM
1:04 pm: Italy’s death toll surges as officials move to lock down Milan

GP: Italy Faces The Coronavirus
A tourist wearing face masks visits the Colosseum area on February 24, 2020 in Rome, Italy.
Antonio Masiello | Getty Images

An official from Italy’s Lombardy region, which is the worst-hit part of the country, said 257 people in the area have died, up from 154 a day ago. Nationwide, the country reported 366 deaths, up from 233 on Saturday.

Italian officials imposed a virtual lockdown on its wealthiest and most populous region, which includes the financial capital Milan, as part of tough new measures to try to contain the coronavirus outbreak. The new rules include telling people not to enter or leave Lombardy, which is home to some 10 million people. The virus has infected at least 5,883 people in Italy, according to Johns Hopkins University. —Feuer

12:25 pm: ‘Life can’t stop,’ Surgeon General says, as presidential campaigns move forward

In response to a question about whether presidential candidates should stop traveling amid the outbreak, U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams told CNN’s “State of the Union” that “life can’t stop.” He added that the containment measures China has taken to curb the spread of the virus are “draconian.”

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders also appeared on the show and said his campaign is moving forward despite the outbreak. His campaign is in touch with public health professionals ahead of every rally, he said. “We will not endanger the health of anybody in this country,” he said. “We are watching this thing very, very carefully.”

In response to a question about whether he should slow down his travel, he said, “Well, in the best of all possible worlds, maybe.” —Feuer

Reck
03-08-2020, 01:29 PM
:lol you a NASCAR fan brah?

Nah, used to though. I've since moved international. F1, Supercars is more my speed now.

hater
03-08-2020, 01:33 PM
Italis chief of staff of Army infected

CosmicCowboy
03-08-2020, 01:51 PM
This is starting to affect multiple sporting events now. Both MotoGP and F1 have already cancelled some of their races this year.

Italy also quarantined like half the country, specifically where Ferrari is from. They might not even get to race in some races.

So William's can finally get 9th place? :lol

ChumpDumper
03-08-2020, 01:53 PM
Trump's going to keep his rally schedule though. High risk/maybe some told-ya-so reward?

TeyshaBlue
03-08-2020, 01:58 PM
The media coverage of this thing has gotten insufferable. A lot of people get the flu and a small percentage of those people have weak immune systems and die from it. That’s all there is to it.

+10
From another message board:

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic

CosmicCowboy
03-08-2020, 01:59 PM
Trump's going to keep his rally schedule though. High risk/maybe some told-ya-so reward?

You know Bernie, Biden, and Trump will all continue to rally and hug/selfie with th e crowds. All are high risk.

ChumpDumper
03-08-2020, 02:06 PM
You know Bernie, Biden, and Trump will all continue to rally and hug/selfie with th e crowds. All are high risk.Only one is responsible for the government response to the virus.

picnroll
03-08-2020, 02:25 PM
South Korea has tested more than 140,000 people for the new coronavirus and confirmed more than 6,000 cases. Its fatality rate is around 0.6%.
This suggests that, as many health experts have predicted, the virus' fatality rate seems to decrease as more cases are reported.
That's because more widespread testing leads more mild cases to be included in the count.

https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korea-coronavirus-testing-death-rate-2020-3

Not as bad as original estimates of mortality but still 6x the average flu.

SnakeBoy
03-08-2020, 02:26 PM
Only one is responsible for the government response to the virus.

What would the other two have done differently?

The only miss step by our government thus far has been a bad batch of reagents. Even if that had not happened it wouldn't change anything. The government cannot stop that which cannot be stopped. Only China had the brief opportunity to contain and eliminate this virus, once they failed the rest was/is inevitable.

hater
03-08-2020, 02:27 PM
You know Bernie, Biden, and Trump will all continue to rally and hug/selfie with th e crowds. All are high risk.

they will get it 100% sure

I dont think Dump will be doing hugging shaking. also im sure corn pops and jew cuck will limit their affections but they will still be at risk as long as they travel

hope congress gets it so term limits can be enforced

hater
03-08-2020, 02:32 PM
:wow

“just another flu”

:wow

https://twitter.com/rt_com/status/1236732165460762636?s=21

ChumpDumper
03-08-2020, 02:32 PM
What would the other two have done differently?Irrelevant. I'm just saying if a bunch of people get infected at a Trump rally after the shit he's been talking it's not a good look. You may proceed with your knee-jerk defense.

ElNono
03-08-2020, 02:34 PM
I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/7/75/Dr._Nick_S28_billboard_gag.png/revision/latest?cb=20171104124951

baseline bum
03-08-2020, 02:35 PM
South Korea has tested more than 140,000 people for the new coronavirus and confirmed more than 6,000 cases. Its fatality rate is around 0.6%.
This suggests that, as many health experts have predicted, the virus' fatality rate seems to decrease as more cases are reported.
That's because more widespread testing leads more mild cases to be included in the count.

https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korea-coronavirus-testing-death-rate-2020-3

Not as bad as original estimates of mortality but still 6x the average flu.

So still pretty bad, but sounds like not even the same ballpark as 1918 Spanish flu thankfully.

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 02:37 PM
WH Overruled CDC Recommendation Advising Seniors Against Flying

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/white-house-overruled-cdc-recommendation-elderly-commercial-airlines?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29 (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/white-house-overruled-cdc-recommendation-elderly-commercial-airlines?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29)

picnroll
03-08-2020, 02:47 PM
WH Overruled CDC Recommendation Advising Seniors Against Flying

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/white-house-overruled-cdc-recommendation-elderly-commercial-airlines?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29 (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/white-house-overruled-cdc-recommendation-elderly-commercial-airlines?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29)
Trash just gets this stuff. :rollin

SnakeBoy
03-08-2020, 03:19 PM
So still pretty bad, but sounds like not even the same ballpark as 1918 Spanish flu thankfully.

The good thing is that this virus is mutating. They've identified the first strain as "L" which was more deadly, the second strain less so and is the one spreading more widely. So it's following the normal natural selection process for a new endemic virus. Mutating to become less lethal to it's host.

They say that process was reversed with the Spanish Flu because of WWI. That's why the first wave was basically a normal flu but the 2nd wave it killed primarily young healthy people.

baseline bum
03-08-2020, 05:33 PM
The good thing is that this virus is mutating. They've identified the first strain as "L" which was more deadly, the second strain less so and is the one spreading more widely. So it's following the normal natural selection process for a new endemic virus. Mutating to become less lethal to it's host.

They say that process was reversed with the Spanish Flu because of WWI. That's why the first wave was basically a normal flu but the 2nd wave it killed primarily young healthy people.

Do you have a link to the news? Sounds like an interesting read.

I thought I read its mutation was considerably slower than traditional flu. With a much less lethal strain I would guess it should be likely to infect more than the initial projections of 40-70% of the world getting it?

Also, is this second strain likely to give one antibodies to resist the first strain?

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 06:23 PM
Trump Is Withholding Coronavirus Testing Kits From Governors

Andy Slavitt
(https://twitter.com/ASlavitt)✔@ASlavitt
(https://twitter.com/ASlavitt)
(https://twitter.com/ASlavitt)I talked this afternoon to 2 governors who told me the CDC will not commit to getting them tests.

Whether because they don’t want the numbers known or incompetency, state & local governments feel abandoned.

https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/status/1236754541854494720 … (https://t.co/F56ZB7OheR)


==============

Justin Hendrix
✔@justinhendrix

(https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/status/1236754541854494720)106 people in New York have confirmed cases of Coronavirus.

But- "As of Saturday only about 120 people in New York City had been tested for the virus.

And it has been become clear that the new coronavirus was spreading faster than testing was increasing.

"https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/nyregion/coronavirus-newyork.html …

================

Trump is trying to hold the number of coronavirus cases down by not providing an adequate number of test kits so that people can be tested.

If people can’t be tested, they also can’t be added to the number of confirmed cases in the United States.

The administration is trying to cover up theirbungled coronavirus response by underreporting the number of people who test positive for the virus.

There is no reason for the CDC not to immediately give testing kits to any state that requests them.

If the United States doesn’t provide an adequate number of testing kits, it could be facing a public health catastrophe.

The CDC has been politicized and is doing Trump’s bidding.

At a time when America needs a rapid response, governors can’t get coronavirus test kits.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/08/trump-coronavirus-testing-kits.html (https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/08/trump-coronavirus-testing-kits.html)

Trash and his mafiya and corps of sycophants are betting the crisis will pass and they will look like smart ones.

boutons_deux
03-08-2020, 06:50 PM
Trump was warned of a pandemic ‘that could lead to massive rates of death’ by the intel director he fired

a document from the office the Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats’

2019 “Worldwide Threat Assessment, (https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/2019-ATA-SFR---SSCI.pdf)” which specifically warns of a disease like the coronavirus.

Coates explained:

“the United States and the world will remain vulnerable to the next flu pandemic or large-scale outbreak of a contagious disease that

could lead to massive rates of death and disability,

severely affect the world economy,

strain international resources, and

increase calls on the United States for support.”



It has become clear that neither Trump nor his administration took the warning seriously.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-was-warned-of-a-pandemic-that-could-lead-to-massive-rates-of-death-by-the-intel-director-he-fired/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-was-warned-of-a-pandemic-that-could-lead-to-massive-rates-of-death-by-the-intel-director-he-fired/)

SnakeBoy
03-08-2020, 06:59 PM
Do you have a link to the news? Sounds like an interesting read.

I thought I read its mutation was considerably slower than traditional flu. With a much less lethal strain I would guess it should be likely to infect more than the initial projections of 40-70% of the world getting it?

Also, is this second strain likely to give one antibodies to resist the first strain?

Here is a link to the abstract. There is a pdf link to the full study
https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463?searchresult=1

Notable quotes


Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be more aggressive and spread more quickly. On the other hand, the S type, which is evolutionarily older and less aggressive, might have increased in relative frequency due to relatively weaker selective pressure.


Among the 27 viruses isolated from Wuhan, 26 (96.3%) were L type, and only 1
(3.7%) was S type. However, among the other 73 viruses isolated outside Wuhan, 45 (61.6%)
were L type, and 28 (38.4%) were S type.


This is just from wiki on the 1918 pandemic


This increased severity has been attributed to the circumstances of the First World War.[97] In civilian life, natural selection favors a mild strain. Those who get very ill stay home, and those mildly ill continue with their lives, preferentially spreading the mild strain. In the trenches, natural selection was reversed. Soldiers with a mild strain stayed where they were, while the severely ill were sent on crowded trains to crowded field hospitals, spreading the deadlier virus. The second wave began, and the flu quickly spread around the world again. Consequently, during modern pandemics, health officials pay attention when the virus reaches places with social upheaval (looking for deadlier strains of the virus).[98]

I don't think anyone knows if having one strain gives immunity to the other. Those reports of people being re-infected within weeks of being cleared makes me think not.


I was feeling pretty good about this not being as bad as first thought but today Italy reported 133 deaths and is putting basically all of Northern Italy (a third of their population) under military quarantine.

Honestly don't know what to think now. Maybe this shit is leaked out of that fucking lab and the govt's know it.

hater
03-08-2020, 07:08 PM
called it

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1236797146965446656?s=21

weebo
03-08-2020, 07:37 PM
Do you have a link to the news? Sounds like an interesting read.

I thought I read its mutation was considerably slower than traditional flu. With a much less lethal strain I would guess it should be likely to infect more than the initial projections of 40-70% of the world getting it?

Also, is this second strain likely to give one antibodies to resist the first strain?

Currently they've identified 2 strains--an "S" (ancestral and less severe) and the "L" (mutated version and more severe)---you can get one or the other or both--both circulating here in the US

You can check the evolution of the virus here:
https://nextstrain.org/

vy65
03-08-2020, 07:44 PM
+10
From another message board:

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic

This. I still can't believe they canceled SxSW over this bullshit.

vy65
03-08-2020, 07:45 PM
:wow

“just another flu”

:wow

https://twitter.com/rt_com/status/1236732165460762636?s=21

You're literally one of the worst posters on this forum and a total fucking retard. Stop posting.

weebo
03-08-2020, 07:47 PM
.

weebo
03-08-2020, 07:49 PM
called it

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1236797146965446656?s=21

I feel sorry for the coronavirus after being exposed to Ted Cruz :lol

SnakeBoy
03-08-2020, 07:49 PM
Currently they've identified 2 strains--an "S" (ancestral and less severe) and the "L" (mutated version and more severe)---you can get one or the other or both--both circulating here in the US

You can check the evolution of the virus here:
https://nextstrain.org/

Seems like it is mutating a lot from what I can understand on that site. Over my head tbh.

hater
03-08-2020, 07:50 PM
RIP Italy :(

https://twitter.com/petersweden7/status/1236704532194877442?s=21

hater
03-08-2020, 07:51 PM
Seems like it is mutating a lot from what I can understand on that site. Over my head tbh.

most viruses behave this way imo

called it

weebo
03-08-2020, 08:08 PM
Seems like it is mutating a lot from what I can understand on that site. Over my head tbh.

during the course of an infection pathogens accumulate random mutations in their genome over and over again---its a consequence of genome replication---what you're seeing is basically a family tree

hater
03-08-2020, 08:17 PM
https://twitter.com/colbyitkowitz/status/1236446922250096646?s=21

hater
03-08-2020, 08:21 PM
possible Trump canceled his CDC visit not because someone at CDC was possitive but because Trump is a suspected case :lol

DarrinS
03-08-2020, 08:38 PM
Went to a large gathering tonight, shook many hands. Texans like, fuck this shit, tbh.

All good

hater
03-08-2020, 09:10 PM
Went to a large gathering tonight, shook many hands. Texans like, fuck this shit, tbh.

All good

which gay dance club did you attend ma niga?

Spurminator
03-08-2020, 09:11 PM
Went to a large gathering tonight, shook many hands. Texans like, fuck this shit, tbh.

All good

Hey everybody, just wanted to let you know I went out in public and wasn't scared!

This is unique to myself and Texans.

ChumpDumper
03-08-2020, 09:23 PM
Hey everybody, just wanted to let you know I went out in public and wasn't scared!

This is unique to myself and Texans.:lol A day after posting his precautions for his family. Pick a lane.

hater
03-08-2020, 09:24 PM
Hey everybody, just wanted to let you know I went out in public and wasn't scared!

This is unique to myself and Texans.

:lmao

DMX7
03-08-2020, 09:25 PM
Went to a large gathering tonight, shook many hands. Texans like, fuck this shit, tbh.

All good

The power of positive thinking will make it all go away. :lol

ChumpDumper
03-08-2020, 09:29 PM
The power of positive thinking will make it all go away. :lolI've been hoarding thoughts and prayers since it started.

hater
03-08-2020, 09:45 PM
https://twitter.com/groundsgalen123/status/1236845283457273857?s=21

hater
03-08-2020, 09:47 PM
https://twitter.com/thegirlinline/status/1236830118695354369?s=21

:lmao this happened to me today

was at this afghan restaurant and have this cough. a dude basically shit his pants on the next table :lmao

CosmicCowboy
03-08-2020, 09:47 PM
I've been hoarding thoughts and prayers since it started.

Damn right! Thoughts and prayers! *high five*

ChumpDumper
03-08-2020, 10:05 PM
https://twitter.com/groundsgalen123/status/1236845283457273857?s=21

:lmao scary photo from 2016

ElNono
03-08-2020, 11:38 PM
Hey everybody, just wanted to let you know I went out in public and wasn't scared!

This is unique to myself and Texans.

:lol

"I looked at that darned virus in the face..."

ElNono
03-08-2020, 11:39 PM
:lmao scary photo from 2016

Sacramento police officers waiting for Nazi rally and protest to start at the California State Capitol in Sacramento on 6/26/16.

:lol

ducks
03-09-2020, 12:24 AM
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1236708039668924417?s=20

Chris
03-09-2020, 04:20 AM
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1236844554789228545?s=19

Chris
03-09-2020, 04:22 AM
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1236855644298153984?s=19

ChumpDumper
03-09-2020, 06:03 AM
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1236855644298153984?s=19

Wildy ineffective bioweapon tbh.

DarrinS
03-09-2020, 07:52 AM
Went to a large gathering tonight, shook many hands. Texans like, fuck this shit, tbh.

All good


^drunk post, tbh :lol

DMC
03-09-2020, 08:06 AM
:lol

"I looked at that darned virus in the face..."

"...and said 'ole devil, get thee behind me' and went on my way"

Winehole23
03-09-2020, 09:22 AM
+10
From another message board:

I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic
All true, but when was the last time the masses were talked out of mass hysteria?

Also, we know that countermeasures work. Not so much to prevent overall deaths as to spread them out so that the incidence of cases does not overwhelm the system.

1235761684431724550

MannyIsGod
03-09-2020, 09:31 AM
Not my field, but I somehow doubt people will worry that we overreacted when we have thousands if not tens of thousands dead form this thing in a couple of weeks/months. Think of all the shit we changed after 9/11 and we're going to eclipse that death toll by orders of magnitudes.

Thread
03-09-2020, 09:34 AM
Not my field, but I somehow doubt people will worry that we overreacted when we have thousands if not tens of thousands dead form this thing in a couple of weeks/months. Think of all the shit we changed after 9/11 and we're going to eclipse that death toll by orders of magnitudes.

Just keep thanking your lucky stars that it's on Trump's watch & not on Hillary's.

Spurminator
03-09-2020, 09:36 AM
^drunk post, tbh :lol

:lol Been there.

hater
03-09-2020, 11:25 AM
head of NY port authority tests positive

DarrinS
03-09-2020, 11:27 AM
1236946151481339904

hater
03-09-2020, 11:27 AM
RIP Spain :(

https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/1237051572632215552?s=20

hater
03-09-2020, 11:30 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESrhvLKWAAMzsY6?format=jpg&name=large

Trill Clinton
03-09-2020, 11:34 AM
Just saw the number Italy put up in one day https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/damn.png

Winehole23
03-09-2020, 11:35 AM
1236946151481339904DarrinS pivots to blame the press for creating panic, when Trump and his minions have been spreading disinformation and downplaying the seriousness/danger for weeks.

When the government puts out false information about a public emergency, the public freaks out when it starts to learn the reality.

hater
03-09-2020, 11:40 AM
https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1237018677360410624

MannyIsGod
03-09-2020, 11:45 AM
The thing about denying this science vs denying climate change is that we're not looking at decades to see the results. We're looking at a month or two. So sure, go ahead and call out people for causing panic and overreacting but when it becomes obvious that march was already too late for an overreaction lets just hope it doesn't come by way of your family being in an ICU. I mean why trust world reknown epidemiologists when you have Dr. Drew?

Never change Darrin. Never change.

Spurminator
03-09-2020, 11:53 AM
1236946151481339904

Dr. Drew by way of Ryan Saavedra, are you drunk this morning too?

Trill Clinton
03-09-2020, 11:55 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESrhvLKWAAMzsY6?format=jpg&name=large

Shoutout to the motherland kickin corona's ass.

DMC
03-09-2020, 11:57 AM
Investment nod... nudge nudge
Made a bundle on this. Hope some of you at least tested the waters

monosylab1k
03-09-2020, 12:01 PM
What’s funny is DarrinS was more than happy to play up the dangers of coronavirus when it was only in China, as shitting on the Chinese government is Trump approved.

Now that Trump’s the one taking it in the shorts, suddenly coronavirus is no biggie and we all need to chill.

baseline bum
03-09-2020, 12:05 PM
Dr. Drew by way of Ryan Saavedra, are you drunk this morning too?

:lmao

DMC
03-09-2020, 12:08 PM
Shoutout to the motherland kickin corona's ass.

Failure to report isn't the same as a victory.

hater
03-09-2020, 12:12 PM
Washington DC preparing buildings to force quarantine suspected cases

mulling whether to start with those churchgoers

Winehole23
03-09-2020, 12:28 PM
Failure to report isn't the same as a victory.Btw, CDC took a day off updating its website. Slow walking official figures is happening here in addition to slow walking testing.

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ChumpDumper
03-09-2020, 01:07 PM
DarrinS pivots to blame the press for creating panic, when Trump and his minions have been spreading disinformation and downplaying the seriousness/danger for weeks.

When the government puts out false information about a public emergency, the public freaks out when it starts to learn the reality.

Darrin also went to Costco to hoard toilet paper and bottled water.

DarrinS
03-09-2020, 01:29 PM
Darrin also went to Costco to hoard toilet paper and bottled water.

Lol, no

phxspurfan
03-09-2020, 01:55 PM
Shoutout to the motherland kickin corona's ass.

too hot for the virus to live anywhere there, much less spread

hater
03-09-2020, 02:11 PM
for those of you living in the fantasy that only Old ppl need hospital:

The 32-year-old physician’s assistant, a non-smoker with no underlying health conditions, believes he contracted it while attending a medical conference in Times Square last weekend, saying the coronavirus spread quickly to both his lungs.

“The virus is everything. Dirarrhea, watery eyes, shortness of breath, chest pain, you name it. High fever,” he said. “Every day is getting worse.”

“It happened so quick,” he said.

Cai said he has hope because his doctors are communicating with doctors in China on a daily basis to talk about his treatment.



https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/03/09/coronavirus-update-new-jersey-patiet-speaks-out/

DarrinS
03-09-2020, 02:47 PM
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.

DMX7
03-09-2020, 02:49 PM
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.

We have a vaccine and medicine for the regular flu AND we know that it's seasonal.

This Coronavirus is just starting to be unleashed and we can't even test fast enough to know who has it and who doesn't.

Spurs Homer
03-09-2020, 02:53 PM
The shrieking georgia hillbilly from the GOP

self quarantining hisself!

imagine being his caregiver!

collins ? Is that the shrieking hillbilly’s name?

Winehole23
03-09-2020, 03:00 PM
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.Flu is endemic, this one is just getting started.

Context isn't your strong point but you do have a talent for using statistics to mislead.

spurraider21
03-09-2020, 03:02 PM
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.
flu season is usually from december through february. covid only got to the states a few weeks ago :lol

you're going full baghdad bob tbh

hater
03-09-2020, 03:07 PM
Schools have been shut in most countries with > 500 infections

Germany, France and USA only ones not to do it

Germany is preparing to do it, France has banned large gatherings


meanwhile Ameridumbs sleep walking to a complete disaster

why are americans so stupid?

hater
03-09-2020, 03:17 PM
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.

lol still not getting it

Yes flu kills a lot but when a new virus evolves everything is different. Our societies do not have a basic immunity against a new virus. Without countermeasures many more people will get sick during the first, second and third wave of a new virus onslaught than during a normal flu season. Health care staff will also get infected and must quarantine itself. Some health care workers will probably die. Hospitals will become overwhelmed and the health care system will break down just as it did in Wuhan, China. The breakdown of the health care system also leads to a much larger number of virus death than under a working health care system.

Spurminator
03-09-2020, 03:23 PM
More people have died from COVID-19 this year than polio.

Therefore, polio vaccinations are just fearmongering.

spurraider21
03-09-2020, 03:51 PM
:lmao

1237109381638078465

hater
03-09-2020, 03:52 PM
:lmao

1237109381638078465

:lmao

hater
03-09-2020, 03:53 PM
:( :cry

RIP Italy

it happened. they are sending in the military and shutting down an entire country :wow

https://twitter.com/johnezeakolam/status/1237118753613041664?s=21

hater
03-09-2020, 03:54 PM
everything shut down in italy

no work, school, etc

nobody will be able to travel

this is coming to cities in USA

calling it now

DMX7
03-09-2020, 03:54 PM
:( :cry

RIP Italy

it happened. they are sending in the military and shutting down an entire country :wow

https://twitter.com/johnezeakolam/status/1237118753613041664?s=21

Beautiful country. It had an amazing run.

hater
03-09-2020, 03:57 PM
Beautiful country. It had an amazing run.

sadly never visited

I did visit Spain twice beautiful

Spain is about to get shut down as well

This summer is gonna SUCK!

DMX7
03-09-2020, 04:00 PM
sadly never visited

I did visit Spain twice beautiful

Spain is about to get shut down as well

This summer is gonna SUCK!

I love Spain. Let's hope the quarantine stops the spread to Spain. Spain has much fewer cases.

SnakeBoy
03-09-2020, 04:00 PM
Flu is endemic, this one is just getting started.


This one is endemic now. CDC & WHO just aren't ready to admit it to themselves quite yet.

hater
03-09-2020, 04:15 PM
https://twitter.com/newsillustrator/status/1237069948494794756?s=21

that stupid piece of shit Diblasio was on CNN today oying his ass off saying the virus only remains on surfaces and only for a few minutes :lmao

“most prepared country in the world”. :lmao

Winehole23
03-09-2020, 04:42 PM
This one is endemic now. CDC & WHO just aren't ready to admit it to themselves quite yet.A reasonable surmise

Spurs Homer
03-09-2020, 04:47 PM
5 GOP members now self quarantining...


does this virus only infect liars? corrupt people?

baseline bum
03-09-2020, 04:56 PM
I just hope the work done with SARS can lead to a quick vaccine. That would suck if it takes five or ten years to make an effective one.

hater
03-09-2020, 06:07 PM
https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status/1237100073554792448?s=21

DarrinS
03-09-2020, 06:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0H9jaVIEwM

spurraider21
03-09-2020, 06:20 PM
all you're missing is dr phil

RandomGuy
03-09-2020, 06:23 PM
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.

... doesn't understand the talking points he heard on the Fox propaganda channel. smh, you brainwashed moron.

wow that was dumb. Gonna remember this one, and rub your nose in it later. Maybe you will figure out how stupid it is at some point.

SnakeBoy
03-09-2020, 06:23 PM
I just hope the work done with SARS can lead to a quick vaccine. That would suck if it takes five or ten years to make an effective one.

In the meantime let's hope the antiviral remdesivir clinical trials the CDC is conducting are successful for helping the seriously ill, maybe China will come out with real data on how chloroquine is working on the larger trial. Chloroquine would be ideal for less wealthy nations if it works, they aren't going to be able to afford remdesivir (intravenous only).

Religious right will survive unscathed tho

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boutons_deux
03-09-2020, 06:25 PM
Treasury Munchkin saying he will take care of the economy, banks, etc, nothing about human beings

baseline bum
03-09-2020, 06:34 PM
There is no way this doesn't blow up into a worse situation than we're seeing in Italy. Italy offers three days sick leave immediately and then 20 days at half wage after that if you're still sick. While in the US restaurant, fast food, gas station, grocery, WalMart, etc workers are going to be working sick to survive.