Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Nathan89]

Jesus, what an entitled fuckin' populace we have.

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Seeing a lot of this sentiment on Wingnut twitter. "Our freedumbs." What's happening now isn't unprecedented in American history. We responded to the Spanish Flu the exact same way, allowing states and municipalities to issue quarantine/stay-at-home orders per their discretion. Example, during the Spanish Flu, St. Louis locked down, while Philly did the "freedumbs" thing. Results.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESr1tcQVAAAwiGV.png

All pandemics follow the same path. There's no "conspiracy" or "insidious Democrat/Communist plot to take over Murrica." These twats just can't handle that the fat and happy life has to be on hold for a bit. What fuckin' babies. All you have to do is stay home and sit on your ass.

They are rightfully concerned that the government will use this time to make permanent changes. You can see that motivation in politicians very clearly when they push their irrelevant agenda.

[ElNono]

They are rightfully concerned that the government will use this time to make permanent changes. You can see that motivation in politicians very clearly when they push their irrelevant agenda.

you can? what agenda is that? can you be more specific?

[ElNono]

Jesus, what an entitled fuckin' populace we have.

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tbh, surprised nobody changed the name to Dr Fascist yet...

[slick'81]

Colorado governor ordered a lock down and now just enacted a mandatory state wide mask requirement. Why is the Texas governor such a lame incompetent?

they say greg is known for coming through in times of crisis. Yet he seems painfully slow to act here

[midnightpulp]

I read that herd immunity only comes into play after 50%+ of the population has gotten and recovered from the disease. That'd be ~150 million americans... so, really can't rely on that at this time.

If that's the case, we might have to force it. There's 100 million Americans aged <24 https://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/age_structure.html

The virus is benign to that age group like 99.8 percent of the time (and I expect that number to drop even more once the all the asymptomatic cases are counted). Even the Italy data found that 99.8 percent of seniors without any pre-existing conditions survived. So basically, we'll have to throw these demographics to the proverbial lions. That said, don't condone this until an anti-viral treatment is found, and I think we'll find it sooner rather than later.

[monosylab1k]

Read that something like 98% of the country is on stay at home orders.

I think it's time to make that mandatory nation wide.

The stay at home orders vary wildly tho. Where I live it’s basically a local government CYA that’s mostly toothless.

[Chinook]

Make no mistake, mainstream Dems are sneaky shitheels, but the republican party and "the base" operates on a completely different level of shitheel. They'll hold back "progress" back in this regard per usual. I'm already seeing them start to hedge on wingnut twitter. First, it was, "nothing but a little flu. Only 30 deaths. Why are we freakin out!" Now it's, "Eh, 8000 deaths, but we have to ask how many died from Covid vs. with Covid?" So no matter the death toll, they have a minimizing excuse and thus will deflect to their conspiracy nonsense.

On the other hand, I can see mainstream Dems shutting down debate of the China problem with cries of "racism." So neither the healthcare/preparedness issue will be solved (cuz socialism) or the China problem be solved (cuz racism).

Yeah, Trump has handled this poorly, but there were huge issues that helped it seed so fast, and those were there because of both parties' complacency. The reason why the nation's safety net is so bad isn't because the GOP hates helping poor people -- that's basically their purpose. It's because the Dems have consistently been content to promote elites who are willing to sell economic liberalism for social gains. That's who we get so many people who worship these billionaire oligarchs who economically seem to come from the Gilded Age but just happen to say the right things about LGBTs, minorities and women. They've surrendered manufacture workers to the GOP because of a false equivalency between populism and fascism. Some of this is just the Dems having their hearts in the right place "in a perfect world" but being way to amenable to compromising with a GOP that rarely seems to make concessions. But there's also just the greater marginalization of economic liberalism that comes from having too many people entrenched in power for too long and a party desperate to court money to keep up with the GOP in a post Citizens United world.

I don't think the right wing needs more expansion. They have their clear issues with the truth and with being too inclined to change their argument to not have to confront the bigger issues with their world-views. They will forever be a weird union of planters and yeomanry that seems like it should have never formed but still remains locked together somehow.

[ElNono]

If that's the case, we might have to force it. There's 100 million Americans aged <24 https://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/age_structure.html

The virus is benign to that age group like 99.8 percent of the time (and I expect that number to drop even more once the all the asymptomatic cases are counted). Even the Italy data found that 99.8 percent of seniors without any pre-existing conditions survived. So basically, we'll have to throw these demographics to the proverbial lions. That said, don't condone this until an anti-viral treatment is found, and I think we'll find it sooner rather than later.

I think the hope is that we find at least a treatment relatively soon. That would reduce drastically the number of deaths and at least would make more sense then.

[DarrinS]

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[Nathan89]

If that's the case, we might have to force it. There's 100 million Americans aged <24 https://www.indexmundi.com/united_states/age_structure.html

The virus is benign to that age group like 99.8 percent of the time (and I expect that number to drop even more once the all the asymptomatic cases are counted). Even the Italy data found that 99.8 percent of seniors without any pre-existing conditions survived. So basically, we'll have to throw these demographics to the proverbial lions. That said, don't condone this until an anti-viral treatment is found, and I think we'll find it sooner rather than later.

Said weeks ago we should do a controlled burn with the virus.

[midnightpulp]

They are rightfully concerned that the government will use this time to make permanent changes. You can see that motivation in politicians very clearly when they push their irrelevant agenda.

No, I just think they want to cut their noses off to spite their faces to "own the libs." Even Pelosi's pork didn't have any Freedumb impairing stipulations, not anywhere near the level of Patriot Act pork.

[monosylab1k]

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Still semenshielding for Trump :lmao

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1246052148992933888?s=20

[boutons_deux]

Still semenshielding for Trump :lmao

21 Jan? Trash was told by the hated Deep State early Jan that the virus was coming, so he naively banned Chinese, and figured he had done enough to get reelected.

[midnightpulp]

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Fauci dropped the ball there, but Fauci isn't the only expert in town. Trump was warned by the HHS director on Jan. 3rd. Like I said earlier in this thread, a good manager appraises competence, delegates accordingly, and (adding here) listens to multiple points of view. Fauci saying that on Jan. 21st doesn't absolve Trump selling this as a little flu into early March.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1246225413342285824/photo/1

[spurraider21]

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:lol today's marching orders, apparently

https://i.gyazo.com/ec9ed176be863f29347affd69b040f3a.png

[spurraider21]

i'd love to see the full interview instead of a one minute bit, but even then, just because he said the american people dont have to worry about it "right now" (the day the first person tested positive) that doesnt mean preventative measures shouldn't have been taking place, and testing been rapidly deployed to any affected areas.

[midnightpulp]

Interesting blurb from the WoM Italy page:


Italy: the real number of COVID-19 cases in the country could be 5,000,0000 (compared to the 119,827 confirmed ones) according to a study which polled people with symptoms who have not been tested, and up to 10,000,000 or even 20,0000,000 after taking into account asymptomatic cases, according to Carlo La Vecchia, a Professor of Medical Statistics and Epidemiology at the Statale di Milano University.

The number of deaths could also be underestimated by 3/4 (in Italy as well as in other countries) [source], meaning that the real number of deaths in Italy could be around 60,000.

If these estimates were true, the mortality rate from COVID-19 would be much lower (around 25 times less) than the case fatality rate based solely on laboratory-confirmed cases and deaths, since it would be underestimating cases (the denominator) by a factor of about 1/100 and deaths by a factor of 1/4.

Grain of salt here is that it relies on polling, but hopefully it points to some truth, meaning the CFR would be massively, massively lower (.03, which correlates with Iceland's CFR, who've done randomized testing).

[ElNono]

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All this really means is that we burned through February without getting ready

[DarrinS]

All this really means is that we burned through February without getting ready


I think we have much more information now than we had in January. WHO was still saying there was no human-human spread back then.

Can you point me to some articles from early February that suggested we should start shutting everything down?

[Blake]

I think we have much more information now than we had in January. WHO was still saying there was no human-human spread back then.

Can you point me to some articles from early February that suggested we should start shutting everything down?

So why the scorn for Fauci from January?

[Spurs Homer]

fast forward 5 years into the future....


some people will be asking themselves (those lucky to still be alive)...

"why the fuck did I spend 4 years of my life defending a con man criminal 24/7?"

[monosylab1k]

So why the scorn for Fauci from January?


:lol today's marching orders, apparently

https://i.gyazo.com/ec9ed176be863f29347affd69b040f3a.png

:lmao @ anyone who thinks Darrin is “too smart for this”

[DarrinS]

So why the scorn for Fauci from January?

No scorn, just saying that our best experts couldn't have predicted this outcome from our knowledge in January.

[DarrinS]

:lmao @ anyone who thinks Darrin is “too smart for this”

^who is this faggot?

[ElNono]

I think we have much more information now than we had in January. WHO was still saying there was no human-human spread back then.

Can you point me to some articles from early February that suggested we should start shutting everything down?

We actually learned about human to human contagion at the tail end of January. By January 23rd China implemented the Hubei lockdowns.

Heck, this administration's only saving grace so far was shutting down travel from China in January 27th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns

[DarrinS]

We actually learned about human to human contagion at the tail end of January. By January 23rd China implemented the Hubei lockdowns.

Heck, this administration's only saving grace so far was shutting down travel from China in January 27th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Hubei_lockdowns


That travel ban was heavily criticized.

[ElNono]

Also lockdowns is a misnomer. We should've started stockpiling masks, ventilators, etc. That's what being ready meant.

[ElNono]

That travel ban was heavily criticized.

ok?

[RandomGuy]

That travel ban was heavily criticized.

Mostly for being too little, too late.

[DarrinS]

Also lockdowns is a misnomer. We should've started stockpiling masks, ventilators, etc. That's what being ready meant.


That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson? :lol

[RandomGuy]

Also lockdowns is a misnomer. We should've started stockpiling masks, ventilators, etc. That's what being ready meant.

Eyup. The needs of this were plain to any expert.

This is the cost of lost time from Trump/Bolton getting rid of the pandemic team.

[spurraider21]

Mostly for being too little, too late.
not limited to that. a lot of the criticism was calling it xenophobic.

it was objectively a good move. my problem is the administration keeps pointing to that as "see we did everything we could stop saying we didn't act prudently" when that was just 1 (albeit important) step

they did next to nothing to mitigate the spread here or address our unpreparedness

[DarrinS]

Eyup. The needs of this were plain to any expert.

This is the cost of lost time from Trump/Bolton getting rid of the pandemic team.


You should post all those vids from Dems calling for masks and ventilators back in Feb. Oh, they were still reeling from retarded impeachment fiasco.

[monosylab1k]

Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.
:lmao

[ElNono]

That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson? :lol

Who didn't? There were already talks about South Korea doing massive testing, etc.

I mean, I guess you were paying attention to the idiot that said we only had 15 cases and this was going to disappear like a miracle, and you didn't notice :rolleyes

[ElNono]

not limited to that. a lot of the criticism was calling it xenophobic.

it was objectively a good move. my problem is the administration keeps pointing to that as "see we did everything we could stop saying we didn't act prudently" when that was just 1 (albeit important) step

they did next to nothing to mitigate the spread year or address our unpreparedness

Of course it was a good move in hindsight, and for people that always complain that this administration doesn't get credit, well, they certainly do get credit for that. You just can't use that as a shield for the other 1000 fuckups, especially when they're still ongoing.

[ElNono]

We already knew about the need for ventilators back in February.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-23/coronavirus-patients-long-ventilator-stays-strain-hospitals
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/02/pa-ready-for-coronavirus-but-supply-of-resources-such-as-breathing-ventilators-could-become-strained.html

Here's another warning from early February, from a doctor:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/07/hospitals-harnessing-resources-brace-spike-coronavirus-cases/

Much of that work revolves around hospitals planning for what Biddinger called the “four S’s” of a surge in patients amid an outbreak: supplies, staff, space, and the system that governs all of them.

They need to review their inventory of supplies, including ventilators, oxygen tanks, and the respirator masks that health workers might need to wear to care for infected patients. They need to plan for how to protect other patients in the hospital, particularly those with weak immune systems. They need to review screening procedures and the proper way to put on protective gear. And they need to educate everyone — from the front desk employees in the ER to the workers who take out the trash in patient rooms — in those protocols.

Great to pretend now that we didn't know, just not true.

[picnroll]

That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson? :lol

From distraction to disaster: How coronavirus crept up on Washington

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/how-coronavirus-shook-congress-complacency-155058

[ChumpDumper]

We're likely going to make some masks this weekend but man people are going to have a hard time getting them.Yeah I have some coming in I ordered about a week ago; box of surgical and a couple KN95s. Didn't get quite as gouged as I thought I would.

[ChumpDumper]

That travel ban was heavily criticized.Were there mean tweets?

Did that criticism make Trump curl up into fetal position when it came to any other proactive measures?

Let me know just how much slack you want us to cut the fucking President of the United States.

[ChumpDumper]

That would have been great. Who was sounding the alarm for this in February? Tucker Carlson? :lolhttps://thebulwark.com/app/uploads/2020/04/Image-from-iOS-768x1020.jpg

Defend this, Darrin.

Let's see it. Maybe you got a little jokey-joke to add to it.

[DarrinS]

From distraction to disaster: How coronavirus crept up on Washington

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/30/how-coronavirus-shook-congress-complacency-155058


Good read. :tu

[picnroll]

Good read. :tu

Everybody had a clue except Trash and a couple of idiot entourage.

[Thread]

We'll be fine, just have to take it on the chin for about a year or more, Cub. The unemployment thing was always going to happen, shutdown or no shutdown, because businesses that rely on some sort of crowd (bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, casinos, etc) were going to take a hit regardless. People aren't going to want to go out and risk catching this bug. And yes, it's contagious. We don't have herd immunity plus vaccine. Pretty much every American will get it at some point (could take 10 years). We don't collectively fear the flu like this because we have vaccine, anti-viral treatments, and a degree of herd immunity.

But in a year, that herd immunity will be built up enough (say, 30 million Americans), the vaccine will soon follow, and there will be proven anti-virals that work, and THEN this will basically be the flu (I do believe mortality is around flu levels when all the data gets in).

Damn, that's grim business, Midst.

[Thread]

That travel ban was heavily criticized.

Tell it, D.

Testify!!!

[ChumpDumper]

This is a jokey-joke.

It's also precisely true.

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[ducks]

TWO MONTHS after
realDonaldTrump
restricted China travel Biden says he supports it.

After 2 months of bashing the restrictions as “xenophobia” & “fear-mongering.”

That’s not leadership. That’s bad judgment


Lol biden

[clambake]

TWO MONTHS after
realDonaldTrump
restricted China travel Biden says he supports it.

After 2 months of bashing the restrictions as “xenophobia” & “fear-mongering.”

That’s not leadership. That’s bad judgment


Lol biden

please post pic of you in maga hat

[Blake]

please post pic of you in maga hat

:lol

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1246184639540146178

[Winehole23]

That travel ban was heavily criticized.I don't recall that it was, though saying so seems to be in the right wing hymnal the past week or two. Can you give examples of what you mean? This thread. diesn't reflect the "heavy" criticism you allege.

[Thread]

I don't recall that it was, though saying so seems to be in the right wing hymnal the past week or two. Can you give examples of what you mean?

I'll just bet you don't.

[Winehole23]

I'll just bet you don't.Who criticized Trump for it? Anyone in this thread?

If not, who did?

[Blake]

We still got some pick your poison people in charge



Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price spoke strongly against the May 20 extension of the COVID-19 Disaster Declaration approved by a vote of the commissioner's court Friday morning.

Price said the long extension of the disaster declaration is an unreasonable blow to small businesses that are shuttered by the social distancing requirements.

“We’re going to just kill off an entire community in the next 60 days.” Price said. “Pick our poison. We either go with COVID-19 and die or we just economically die.”

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/opposition-to-dallas-county-disaster-declaration-extension-to-may-20/2345191/

[slick'81]

We still got some pick your poison people in charge

and we wonder why people are needlessly dying

[Winehole23]

Single payer heathcare good now.

Glad to see Trump threatening to cut throigh red tape to help people in a pandemic, it would be cool if he were a bit more aggressive about that.


The Trump administration will use a federal stimulus package to pay hospitals that treat uninsured people with the new coronavirus as long as they agree not to bill the patients or issue unexpected chargeshttps://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-plans-to-pay-hospitals-to-treat-uninsured-coronavirus-patients-11585927877

[monosylab1k]

We still got some pick your poison people in charge

How the hell is John Wiley Price still around? :lol Dude is like a real life politician from The Wire.

[picnroll]

Should you wear a face mask. Heres all the data we have.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/should-you-wear-a-face-mask-heres-all-the-data-we-have/

How to make your own mask

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/health/how-to-make-your-own-mask-wellness-trnd/index.html

[hater]

called it

I said everyone is would have to wear a mask weeks ago

why do americans always have to wait for their government to tell them things they shoulda figured out by themselves??

[boutons_deux]

Should you wear a face mask. Heres all the data we have.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/should-you-wear-a-face-mask-heres-all-the-data-we-have/

How to make your own mask

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/health/how-to-make-your-own-mask-wellness-trnd/index.html


https://www.businessinsider.com/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4

[picnroll]

https://www.businessinsider.com/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4

Posted it yesterday. My daughter bought some. Good luck finding the clothe today though.

[boutons_deux]

Posted it yesterday. My daughter bot some. Good luck finding the clothe today though.

yep, I've ordered masks, but I had quick check for "blue shop cloth" and very hard to find any.

I think the efficacy is due to micro-fibers, which are known sources of water pollution

[Reck]

Cuamo says we're almost at the apex in NY. 7 days or so to go.

Deaths are up, hospital discharges also up. A mixed bag of bad/good news.

[ChumpDumper]

Cuamo says we're almost at the apex in NY. 7 days or so to go.

Deaths are up, hospital discharges also up. A mixed bag of bad/good news.Hang in there. Hopefully you're getting to the better part of the wave.

[Pelicans78]

fuck

looks like Im gonna burn through my N95 mask stash in a couple months :lmao

Why do you need it anyway?

[Thread]

Cuamo says we're almost at the apex in NY. 7 days or so to go.

Deaths are up, hospital discharges also up. A mixed bag of bad/good news.

Has he sent the National Guard out to other hospitals yet to steal their shit?

How's it go?...oh, yeah,,,National Guard good now.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I keep hearing that name. What’s what makes her good? Besides the fact she’s under Trump’s skin.

She's a big beautiful woman

[DMC]

Why do you need it anyway?

Do you really believe he has a stash of N95 masks? Dude never heard of it until this pandemic.

[Isitjustme?]

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Chris

[apalisoc_9]

My half brother in NYC just called. His fever is high and can fill the chills but apparently they wont test him fof COVID19 because he doesn't exhibit ALL symptoms..

WTF....

[SnakeBoy]

Iceland lab's testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases have no symptoms
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Fast moving virus with low mortality rate creates illusion of higher mortality rate tbh

http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/walking_dead_cdc_6-1419785243.gif

[ducks]

Rep. Kevin McCarthy wonders how many American jobs could have been saved if Pelosi had not delayed relief

[monosylab1k]

https://i.ibb.co/2nbbKgS/08-F2343-B-4-C05-4-D53-B824-0655-F75-DACDC.jpg

[Thread]

https://i.ibb.co/2nbbKgS/08-F2343-B-4-C05-4-D53-B824-0655-F75-DACDC.jpg

"Life (while we still have it) is a fragile and uncertain endeavor, a gift of God, which is what gives its glory, its beauty, and its value. We should, of course, seek to protect the vulnerable, but not at the cost of all our liberty. 'Give me liberty,' said Patrick Henry (another founder, though these days a neglected one), 'or give me death!' Few would go that far today, but he had a point."

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246430102424031232

[TSA]

Iceland lab's testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases have no symptoms
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Fast moving virus with low mortality rate creates illusion of higher mortality rate tbh

http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/walking_dead_cdc_6-1419785243.gif

Interesting. I believe Osterholm said something similar recently.

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246430102424031232Florida's peak hospital usage isn't expected for a full month. I'm going to call this spiking of the football just a little premature.

[Thread]

Florida's peak hospital usage isn't expected for a full month. I'm going to call this spiking of the football just a little premature.

...though it will be keen to watch Professional Sports have to bite the booger. It's gonna go over like a fart in church. They was countin' on starting NFL training camps early July.

Uh, uh.

[ChumpDumper]

...though it will be keen to watch Professional Sports have to bite the booger.It's not keen to see any businesses shutting down because of this virus. That's reprehensible.

[TimDunkem]

Florida's peak hospital usage isn't expected for a full month. I'm going to call this spiking of the football just a little premature.

It's like people still don't understand how this whole thing works. A single day means nothing; Florida already has almost a thousand more cases than yesterday and has already as many deaths as yesterday.

[Thread]

It's not keen to see any businesses shutting down because of this virus. That's reprehensible.

Arguable. I do so love hearing them loiter their panic buttons. They was always so high & mighty insisting on kneelin' down that-a-way.

Now, well now they're about to be bent over & they can't quite get aligned to that reality.

They will though. They've nary other choice.

[ChumpDumper]

It's like people still don't understand how this whole thing works. A single day means nothing; Florida already has almost a thousand more cases than yesterday.It could be as simple as discharging elective patients and not taking in new ones to leave beds open.

[ChumpDumper]

Arguable.Nope.

[Spurs Homer]

My half brother in NYC just called. His fever is high and can fill the chills but apparently they wont test him fof COVID19 because he doesn't exhibit ALL symptoms..

WTF....

thats impossible!

dear leader said “everyone” can get tested now!

everyone!

we have big beautiful tests!

[Thread]

Nope.

Yep.

[Thread]

thats impossible!

dear leader said “everyone” can get tested now!

everyone!

we have big beautiful tests!

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

ha, ha.

[RandomGuy]

You should post all those vids from Dems calling for masks and ventilators back in Feb. Oh, they were still reeling from retarded impeachment fiasco.

All I have to do is post videos of the one guy who should have been paying attention in the briefs where they were talking about such things, saying "its all under control".

The experts were all saying the same things. The pandemic wargaming said the same things. The white house task force before it was disbanded by Bolton/Trump said that.

The first thing Republicans did upon hearing about the danger was sell stock, then go out in public and ape the Death Cult Party line. "This is fine"

Been telling you that you are brainwashed for the better part of 15 years. You got a glimpse behind the curtain... reality has a liberal bias. Suck it.

[Thread]

All I have to do is post videos of the one guy who should have been paying attention in the briefs where they were talking about such things, saying "its all under control".

The experts were all saying the same things. The pandemic wargaming said the same things. The white house task force before it was disbanded by Bolton/Trump said that.

The first thing Republicans did upon hearing about the danger was sell stock, then go out in public and ape the Death Cult Party line. "This is fine"

Feinstein is in that jackpot as well, RG. You've nary room.

+ Pelosi was out there in Chinatown/SF imploring people to come on out into the street. You've nary room.

[RandomGuy]

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

ha, ha.

Trump disbanded pandemic team.
Not clinton.

[Thread]

Trump disbanded pandemic team.
Not clinton.

The old man also cut off China.

Not Clinton.

[baseline bum]

Interesting. I believe Osterholm said something similar recently.

You have a link? He was projecting 500,000 dead in the US a few weeks back.

[FkLA]

My half brother in NYC just called. His fever is high and can fill the chills but apparently they wont test him fof COVID19 because he doesn't exhibit ALL symptoms..

WTF....

My coworker has a sister in NYC going through the same thing. I think it's gotten to the point there, where you just stay at home and try to recover from it on your own unless it's clear you won't without hospitalization.

[Xevious]

My coworker has a sister in NYC going through the same thing. I think it's gotten to the point there, where you just stay at home and try to recover from it on your own unless it's clear you won't without hospitalization.
Yeah unless you're requiring supplemental oxygen, just treat the fever at home and self quarantine, especially if you're young. There aren't enough resources right now to test everybody.

[TSA]

You have a link? He was projecting 500,000 dead in the US a few weeks back.

Don’t have a link. Recent interview on the news. But I’m seeing more and more experts start to change their tune.

Epidemiologist, Immunologist & Physician @ Harvard School of Public Health & Harvard Med School.

https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1246339545462906880
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1246339992412196864
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1246344719006826496

[Pelicans78]

My half brother in NYC just called. His fever is high and can fill the chills but apparently they wont test him fof COVID19 because he doesn't exhibit ALL symptoms..

WTF....

That’s common when it comes to testing. Tell him to take a number.

[Thread]

Michael Mina
✔@michaelmina_lab
(https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab)


[[[To be clear - I hope that there have been 5 million or more cases in the US by now.

This would suggest a lower infection mortality, higher population immunity, and would start to paint a clearer path how to get society back functioning.]]]

Amen.

[Xevious]

Don’t have a link. Recent interview on the news. But I’m seeing more and more experts start to change their tune.

Epidemiologist, Immunologist & Physician @ Harvard School of Public Health & Harvard Med School.

https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1246339545462906880
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1246339992412196864
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1246344719006826496
It's true that we have no idea how many people have had the virus with mild or no symptoms at all. Regardless, there is no path to get society back functioning until we stop (or greatly reduce) the 1k+ deaths a day, unless you're suggesting that it'll just burn through everybody no matter what we do and just be gone once everybody has built an immunity to it.

[SnakeBoy]

Interesting. I believe Osterholm said something similar recently.

Also interesting is the comment about the different "strains" might affect mortality. West coast got a specific "strain" early while New York broke out from the Manhattan lawyer that brought it from Italy.

I say "strain" because the different mutations aren't enough to be a totally new virus as far as your body is concerned, unlike what influenza does every year. So getting one protects you from getting the other "strain". I least that's how I read it.

[Bynumite]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2017/12/29/09/called-it.gif

[SnakeBoy]

It's true that we have no idea how many people have had the virus with mild or no symptoms at all. Regardless, there is no path to get society back functioning until we stop (or greatly reduce) the 1k+ deaths a day, unless you're suggesting that it'll just burn through everybody no matter what we do and just be gone once everybody has built an immunity to it.

It will burn through everybody no matter what we do. Maybe we can slow it a bit but the course is set.

How many months do I have to keep telling you people...We can't "stop" it.

[ducks]

Joe Rogan On 2020 Election: I Would ‘Rather Vote For Trump’ Over Biden, Biden Can’t Handle Anything

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It will burn through everybody no matter what we do. Maybe we can slow it a bit but the course is set.

How many months do I have to keep telling you people...We can't "stop" it.

If that is the case the kill rate is more than manageable.

[Xevious]

It will burn through everybody no matter what we do. Maybe we can slow it a bit but the course is set.

How many months do I have to keep telling you people...We can't "stop" it.
Poor choice of words on my part. I didn't mean to suggest we could stop a virus, but the numbers of deaths need to be reduced before we go about business as usual.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1246542825753382914?s=19

:tu

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1246542825753382914?s=19

:tu

:tu:tu

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1246542825753382914?s=19

:tuSo the superceding will be Constitutional?

Explain, Qhris.

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So the superceding will be Constitutional?

Explain, Qhris.

It can't be if he wants to make New York, New Jersey & Connecticut stay in place. Remember?

[picnroll]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1246542825753382914?s=19

:tu
When did Trash start upholding the constitution?

[ChumpDumper]

It can't be if he wants to make New York, New Jersey & Connecticut stay in place. Remember?So explain what he meant by superceding.

[midnightpulp]

I'm glad Chris turned me on to this guy. Hilarious for all the wrong reasons. Like enjoying a so-bad-it's-good B-movie.

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[Nathan89]

Joe Rogan On 2020 Election: I Would ‘Rather Vote For Trump’ Over Biden, Biden Can’t Handle Anything

:danceclub

[monosylab1k]

:danceclub

:lmao celebrating a fellow Bernie to Trump retard.

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So explain what he meant by superceding.

I don't know.

[Thread]

When did Trash start upholding the constitution?

Hey, picky! Your mother's waitin'. Get back to fuckin' her.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao celebrating a fellow Bernie to Trump retard.

Not even what he said. As usual, the Trumptards spin a knock on Biden as a victory for Trump. Rogan basically said that's how awful Biden is, but had just criticized Trump beforehand. :lol

[Winehole23]

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[midnightpulp]

California's huge backlog of pending tests finally came in. 12 percent positive rate, which is good. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/california

NY's positive rate is 40 percent. Man, spread just went nuclear there.

[pgardn]

Michael Mina
✔@michaelmina_lab
(https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab)


[[[To be clear - I hope that there have been 5 million or more cases in the US by now.

This would suggest a lower infection mortality, higher population immunity, and would start to paint a clearer path how to get society back functioning.]]]

Amen.


Or a humongous spike waiting to occur just around the corner.
5 million cases where people are showing very mild symptoms might be good.

[midnightpulp]

Or a humongous spike waiting to occur just around the corner.
5 million cases where people are showing very mild symptoms might be good.

Yep, there's a big upside and big downside to this. The only clue we have is from the Iceland study, which found most cases are mild. They have the largest mix of randomized testing in the world, and the CFR is about .03 there (flu can be anywhere from .01 to .1). But since Iceland is so small, their sample isn't too big (around 1100), but in terms of per capita, they've tested a larger portion of their population than anyone else. From all that I've read, I think the "big upside" is more likely. There's probably millions who've had it, recovered, and never got tested. And many more millions extant cases that aren't severe enough to require treatment. So to ball park it, hopefully the numerator/denominator is something like 15million/15K deaths (accounting for Covid deaths never recorded). That would equate to a .01 CFR.

[pgardn]

Yep, there's a big upside and big downside to this. The only clue we have is from the Iceland study, which found most cases are mild. They have the largest mix of randomized testing in the world, and the CFR is about .03 there (flu can be anywhere from .01 to .1). But since Iceland is so small, their sample isn't too big (around 1100), but in terms of per capita, they've tested a larger portion of their population than anyone else. From all that I've read, I think the "big upside" is more likely. There's probably millions who've had it, recovered, and never got tested. And many more millions extant cases that aren't severe enough to require treatment. So to ball park it, hopefully the numerator/denominator is something like 15million/15K deaths (accounting for Covid deaths never recorded). That would equate to a .01 CFR.

We can hope.

[picnroll]

Policy: Health Care
Virus hot spots in South poised for disproportionate suffering
With equipment shortages coast to coast, local officials are left begging residents to stay indoors.

https://apple.news/A_afYlNFpSOOl17IhkwxXbg

So much for that in won’t be bad in rural areas theory.

[midnightpulp]

Here's a graph for all the "flu" people.

https://image.masslive.com/home/mass-media/width620/img/breakingnews/photo/2018/02/03/pneumoniajpg-6a8f5be078e10ab6.jpg

Every year, the flu runs near the apex of epidemic level and routinely spikes above that at the height of flu season. Covid, even if it winds up being about as bad as the flu, will stack on top of the regular flu, and push that epidemic level far beyond our healthcare capacity. So yeah, compare it to the flu. That means it's fuckin' bad.

[Thread]

Policy: Health Care
Virus hot spots in South poised for disproportionate suffering
With equipment shortages coast to coast, local officials are left begging residents to stay indoors.

https://apple.news/A_afYlNFpSOOl17IhkwxXbg

So much for that in won’t be bad in rural areas theory.

Does you mom have a nice beaver, picky?

[ElNono]

Also interesting is the comment about the different "strains" might affect mortality. West coast got a specific "strain" early while New York broke out from the Manhattan lawyer that brought it from Italy.

I say "strain" because the different mutations aren't enough to be a totally new virus as far as your body is concerned, unlike what influenza does every year. So getting one protects you from getting the other "strain". I least that's how I read it.

I was reading there's no evidence at this time there are different strains. It's likely there will be as time goes on, but so far nobody detected specific mutations on different virus samples. (read this two days or so ago).

[DarrinS]

I was reading there's no evidence at this time there are different strains. It's likely there will be as time goes on, but so far nobody detected specific mutations on different virus samples. (read this two days or so ago).


The explosion in NYC seems more related to population density, subways, elevators, etc.

[ElNono]

The explosion in NYC seems more related to population density, subways, elevators, etc.

I keep hearing this too, but I don't think we're at a point where we can definitely conclude that. It's clear that's one factor, since it goes against something we know works well against spreading (social distancing), however, NY is so far out there compared against other fairly densely populated cities. I think only time will answer this conclusively.

[DarrinS]

I keep hearing this too, but I don't think we're at a point where we can definitely conclude that. It's clear that's one factor, since it goes against something we know works well against spreading (social distancing), however, NY is so far out there compared against other fairly densely populated cities. I think only time will answer this conclusively.

Well, it's also a major destination for international travel.

[DarrinS]

Wuhan is very similar to NYC in many respects, only larger.

[ElNono]

Well, it's also a major destination for international travel.

That's what doesn't make a lot of sense for that theory. LAX is even more of such a destination, especially considering the Asian source of the virus. The whole west coast is, really.

This is somewhat what the 'strains' theory is trying to fill the gap on, to explain how Louisiana of all places got it so incredibly bad.

There's also the super spreaders theory, the theory that millions and millions of people are already infected.

I think there's some validity to all of them, but just guesses right now.

[DarrinS]

That's what doesn't make a lot of sense for that theory. LAX is even more of such a destination, especially considering the Asian source of the virus. The whole west coast is, really.

This is somewhat what the 'strains' theory is trying to fill the gap on, to explain how Louisiana of all places got it so incredibly bad.

There's also the super spreaders theory, the theory that millions and millions of people are already infected.

I think there's some validity to all of them, but just guesses right now.



I was just looking at this list of cities by population density

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density


So many in NY and NJ

[DarrinS]

By comparison, LA is very spread out

[ElNono]

I was just looking at this list of cities by population density

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density

So many in NY and NJ


By comparison, LA is very spread out

It's certainly a factor, no doubt about it. How much of a factor is a big question mark. Top affected States also include Washington and Louisiana, which really are nowhere near the top of that list.

[ElNono]

I'm actually curious if/when some States might stop reporting numbers to avoid taking a political hit. This is how ugly this could turn.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm actually curious if/when some States might stop reporting numbers to avoid taking a political hit. This is how ugly this could turn.I'm sure there will be shit like not counting nursing home massacres and the like.

[Winehole23]

The distinctive US policy of undertesting for COVID-19 continues


A coronavirus test made by Abbott Laboratories and introduced with considerable fanfare by President Donald Trump in a Rose Garden news conference this week is giving state and local health officials very little added capacity to perform speedy tests needed to control the COVID-19 pandemic.

“That’s a whole new ballgame,” Trump said. “I want to thank Abbott Labs for the incredible work they’ve done. They’ve been working around-the-clock.”

Yet a document circulated among officials at the Department of Health and Human Services and the Federal Emergency Management Agency this week shows that state and local public health labs were set to receive a total of only 5,500 coronavirus tests from the giant manufacturer of medical devices, diagnostics and drugs, according to emails obtained by Kaiser Health News.

That number falls well short of the “about 500,000 capacity of Abbott tests that” Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, said were in the states and were “not being utilized.” https://khn.org/news/trump-touted-abbotts-quick-covid-19-test-hhs-document-shows-only-5500-are-on-way-for-entire-u-s/

[Winehole23]

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[apalisoc_9]

I'm actually curious if/when some States might stop reporting numbers to avoid taking a political hit. This is how ugly this could turn.

Already happening. Fake numbers.

[boutons_deux]

“because we wanted to leave market share for hospitals and other healthcare providers to purchase through the commercial sector.”

of course the Repugs automatically enable pandemic profiteering

[Winehole23]

HE SHUT DOWN TRAVEL FROM CHINA

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

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HE SHUT DOWN TRAVEL FROM CHINA

The Winester

[Reck]

Already happening. Fake numbers.

Is not happening yet as his precious red states haven't gotten hit properly yet. Florida's peak for instance won't happen until mid May.

[Winehole23]

Is not happening yet as his precious red states haven't gotten hit properly yet. Florida's peak for instance won't happen until mid May.Undertesting suppresses the number of diagnosed cases and hence, excess mortality attributable to COVID-19.

[midnightpulp]

That's what doesn't make a lot of sense for that theory. LAX is even more of such a destination, especially considering the Asian source of the virus. The whole west coast is, really.

This is somewhat what the 'strains' theory is trying to fill the gap on, to explain how Louisiana of all places got it so incredibly bad.

There's also the super spreaders theory, the theory that millions and millions of people are already infected.

I think there's some validity to all of them, but just guesses right now.

New York was critically late in implementing any type of lockdown/social distancing effort. That, combined with their population density, average age (top 10 oldest in the US), weather, and mass transit use, it was just the perfect recipe for this thing to go nuclear there.

Louisiana was "densely populated" for Mardi Gras, so that could explain why spread is taking off there. I also looked up how the state deals with the flu, and they seem to get hit particularly hard by it vs. other Southern states. Don't know if it's because of their healthcare infrastructure, lifestyle (smoking, beetus, obesity, etc), and such, but flu death rates are correlating pretty closely with how hard a region gets hit. Ex. Two weeks ago I made that flu/covid thread, and found New York's flu infection rate to be 7.5x higher than both Cali and Texas. NY's death rate is 10x than Cali and 35x higher than Texas.

As far as different strains, this scientist sheds light.

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[midnightpulp]

Is not happening yet as his precious red states haven't gotten hit properly yet. Florida's peak for instance won't happen until mid May.

Michigan went for him. But Trump and "the base" has a built in deflection because they have a Dem governor. Same with Louisiana. Dem mayor in New Orleans.

[apalisoc_9]

New York was critically late in implementing any type of lockdown/social distancing effort. That, combined with their population density, average age (top 10 oldest in the US), weather, and mass transit use, it was just the perfect recipe for this thing to go nuclear there.

Louisiana was "densely populated" for Mardi Gras, so that could explain why spread is taking off there. I also looked up how the state deals with the flu, and they seem to get hit particularly hard by it vs. other Southern states. Don't know if it's because of their healthcare infrastructure, lifestyle (smoking, beetus, obesity, etc), and such, but flu death rates are correlating pretty closely with how hard a region gets hit. Ex. Two weeks ago I made that flu/covid thread, and found New York's flu infection rate to be 7.5x higher than both Cali and Texas. NY's death rate is 10x than Cali and 35x higher than Texas.

As far as different strains, this scientist sheds light.

1244750382338719745

Scrah, you got any studies about the virus and if it stays in the body long term similar to a plethora of viruses that attack once every few years ala chicken Pox turning into shingles, Cold Sore herpes etc. I'm actually curious if this virus can stay dormant for years similar to other viruses and attack when things like stress comes into factor. Worst part is that unlike, koriwhats herpers this covid19 is deadly and isn't just a minor skin infection with the only possibility of death is through natural birth delivery during an outbreak...And unlike many other viruses, COVID19 is extremely contagious.

We can be looking at multiple waves of corona if this is the case

[midnightpulp]

It's certainly a factor, no doubt about it. How much of a factor is a big question mark. Top affected States also include Washington and Louisiana, which really are nowhere near the top of that list.

Washington had a nursing home get hit and are located in the climate band where it's theorized the virus likes most. And even then, Washington has flattened. Only 9 percent growth rate.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

[Reck]

New York was critically late in implementing any type of lockdown/social distancing effort.

Hate to do it, bud but we went into lockdown at the same time California did.

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https://www.ksla.com/2020/03/20/california-becomes-first-state-order-lockdown/


Basically a day apart between the two lockdowns.

I dont know why it exploded here but not in California whose population is as robust as the former.

[midnightpulp]

Scrah, you got any studies about the virus and if it stays in the body long term similar to a plethora of viruses that attack once every few years ala chicken Pox turning into shingles, Cold Sore herpes etc. I'm actually curious if this virus can stay dormant for years similar to other viruses and attack when things like stress comes into factor. Worst part is that unlike, koriwhats herpers this covid19 is deadly and isn't just a minor skin infection with the only possibility of death is through natural birth delivery during an outbreak...And unlike many other viruses, COVID19 is extremely contagious.

We can be looking at multiple waves of corona if this is the case

Don't have studies like that, but it is a coronavirus, so the experts I've read don't expect this behave differently than other coronaviruses (like the cold virus) in that regard.

[midnightpulp]

Hate to do it, bud but we went into lockdown at the same time California did.

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https://www.ksla.com/2020/03/20/california-becomes-first-state-order-lockdown/


Basically a day apart between the two lockdowns.

I dont know why it exploded here but not in California whose population is as robust as the former.

Population density. New York City has 26k people per sq mile, while Los Angeles has 3700 per square mile. New York also uses mass transit way more and is located in a cooler climate. I've looked at the flu infection rates for both states, and New York's infection rate is 7.5x higher than California's. New York has many factors working against it.

[apalisoc_9]

Don't have studies like that, but it is a coronavirus, so the experts I've read don't expect this behave differently than other coronaviruses (like the cold virus) in that regard.

There was a study in 04 that showed that the cold flu can lay dormant. scary honestly because aysmptomatic people can just carry it and spread whenever/

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Population density. New York City has 26k people per sq mile, while Los Angeles has 3700 per square mile. New York also uses mass transit way more and is located in a cooler climate. I've looked at the flu infection rates for both states, and New York's infection rate is 7.5x higher than California's. New York has many factors working against it.

Midst is hittin' it of a Corona'd Saturday night.

Proud of ya boy.

Midst

[ElNono]

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Money over country. Rinse and repeat.

[ElNono]

New York was critically late in implementing any type of lockdown/social distancing effort. That, combined with their population density, average age (top 10 oldest in the US), weather, and mass transit use, it was just the perfect recipe for this thing to go nuclear there.

Louisiana was "densely populated" for Mardi Gras, so that could explain why spread is taking off there. I also looked up how the state deals with the flu, and they seem to get hit particularly hard by it vs. other Southern states. Don't know if it's because of their healthcare infrastructure, lifestyle (smoking, beetus, obesity, etc), and such, but flu death rates are correlating pretty closely with how hard a region gets hit. Ex. Two weeks ago I made that flu/covid thread, and found New York's flu infection rate to be 7.5x higher than both Cali and Texas. NY's death rate is 10x than Cali and 35x higher than Texas.

As far as different strains, this scientist sheds light.

1244750382338719745


Washington had a nursing home get hit and are located in the climate band where it's theorized the virus likes most. And even then, Washington has flattened. Only 9 percent growth rate.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

But then Louisiana isn't on the climate band. Neither is Iceland, IIRC.

I'm not stating you're wrong, far from it. It's the same thing I was telling Darrin earlier, there's a plethora of reasons that make sense (climate, strains, density) but there isn't necessarily strong evidence at this time that we have a clear and specific pattern.

[midnightpulp]

Money over country. Rinse and repeat.

"Healthcare and the profit motive are fundamentally incompatible."

[midnightpulp]

But then Louisiana isn't on the climate band. Neither is Iceland, IIRC.

I'm not stating you're wrong, far from it. It's the same thing I was telling Darrin earlier, there's a plethora of reasons that make sense (climate, strains, density) but there isn't necessarily strong evidence at this time that we have a clear and specific pattern.

Louisiana, for what seems to be unknown reasons, gets hit pretty hard by the flu. I think looking at how regions handle the flu is probably the best insight we're going to get on predicting how hard a region will get hit for the time being.

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Louisiana, for what seems to be unknown reasons, gets hit pretty hard by the flu. I think looking at how regions handle the flu is probably the best insight we're going to get on predicting how hard a region will get hit for the time being.

Midst, they went to Mardi Gras en masse. They're paying for that mistake.

[DarrinS]

Louisiana, for what seems to be unknown reasons, gets hit pretty hard by the flu. I think looking at how regions handle the flu is probably the best insight we're going to get on predicting how hard a region will get hit for the time being.


Poverty, poor hygeine, obesity, etc.

[slick'81]

Poverty, poor hygeine, obesity, etc.


America?

[DarrinS]

America?

Large parts, unfortunately.

[slick'81]

Lol at georgia reopening beaches,tbh

[Splits]

So you're projecting NY/NJ to hit 1800 deaths per day in 10 days?


At the high end, yes. At the low end, minimum 700.


The way I'm projecting has both areas combined averaging about 110 deaths per day, with maybe 250 at the high end. I guess we can both agree we hope my math is right.

Good news is we're at the low-ish end of my NY/NJ prediction

https://i.imgur.com/95ZhzO0.png

Bad news is your "250 at the high end" prediction was complete shit

[Splits]

Trump is an ignorant clown.

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February. The lost month

[midnightpulp]

Good news is we're at the low-ish end of my NY/NJ prediction

https://i.imgur.com/95ZhzO0.png

Bad news is your "250 at the high end" prediction was complete shit

I gave them Italy's growth rate, too.


The growth rate for Italy's case count was 60 percent over that 7 day period (3500 to 5700 average). If New York has a 60 percent growth rate during the week after their inflection point, we can expect an average daily case count of 8000 with a peak of 9400.

Their CFR went from .9 to 3.1 over this time. I held out hope NY would handle it like Germany (1 percent CFR).

[Splits]

I gave them Italy's growth rate, too.



Their CFR went from .9 to 3.1 over this time. I held out hope NY would handle it like Germany (1 percent CFR).

They're close to "stabilizing". It takes awhile to reach the peak, when you hit it, it sustains for a couple of weeks, each day feeling like a week. But NY/NJ is a few days off from that peak, if they can hold the fort their hospitals will hold up and avoid a worst case catastrophe if this thing was more deadly

[boutons_deux]

Repug MISgovernance by racist, cheatin', election-stealing Gov

Confusion surrounds Georgia’s coronavirus lockdown

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/1609539-origin_1.jpg

You can still play golf.

You can still go to the beach.

Or shop for groceries,

get takeout from a restaurant,

pick up medicine,

see a doctor,

exercise outdoors, and

go to church.

You can even, in many instances, go to work.

So many loopholes reside in Gov. Brian Kemp’s statewide shelter-at-home order that

many Georgians spent Friday in a state of confusion and disarray,

trying to determine what is — and isn’t — allowed as the state combats the coronavirus pandemic.

Some questioned whether the exceptions undermine the lockdown’s effectiveness.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/confusion-surrounds-georgias-coronavirus-lockdown/

[boutons_deux]

Repug MISgovernance by racist, cheatin', election-stealing Gov

Confusion surrounds Georgia’s coronavirus lockdown



Here's how a BLUE state does it, no GA confusion, no weeks-late shutdown:

A friend tried to go surf fishing near Doheny Beach CA (San Juan Capistrano) but every parking area was cordoned off.

[ElNono]

Why Taiwan's Coronavirus Response Is Among The Best Globally

Why does Taiwan have less than 400 confirmed cases of Covid-19? Taiwan's experience with the 2003 SARS outbreak "helped many parts of the region react faster to the current coronavirus outbreak and take the danger more seriously (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/asia/taiwan-coronavirus-response-who-intl-hnk/index.html) than in other parts of the world," reports CNN, "both at a governmental and societal level, with border controls and the wearing of face masks quickly becoming routine as early as January (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html) in many areas."

Their article also notes that Taiwan "has a world-class health care system, with universal coverage," which drew praise in new report published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689?guestAccessKey=2a3c6994-9e10-4a0b-9f32-cc2fb55b61a5&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=030320): "Taiwan rapidly produced and implemented a list of at least 124 action items (https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/jvp200035supp1_prod.pdf?Expires=2147483647&Signature=bIZCLS7ZLWTJd~U~H40JgiEGdFb3ggVUJpBvJ7Kd ANK7HgK1zaj4uWHvqweGym1nWfO~nXt9Y5i1vX79pF7zjjqfzm JAy3udTdpVVZQe07xnQIPcBMXLwZ5XjgTO8yKFXVIpxsXhrmOu 8sGSpKiEmQ86ZCKfOTar7fMAGmUCtjiYVFwf31K3REWAA-r3hZyoZpqz3QKpVgpsRpF9fV9thQCq0~yvbvRKTH4PcoB~CZgm XH7rpVb6bILXQn5zBCphf6pyLAa4zIebUEKfCdCYdSdi9LeIEU sesqsYpNWgHJcr4K1LC0hFlst0RHQz-vZ7I-OvrX~5jel6zjjtuDQzjQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA) in the past five weeks to protect public health," report co-author Jason Wang, a Taiwanese doctor and associate professor of pediatrics at Stanford Medicine, said in a statement (https://healthpolicy.fsi.stanford.edu/news/how-taiwan-used-big-data-transparency-central-command-protect-its-people-coronavirus). "The policies and actions go beyond border control because they recognized that that wasn't enough." This was while other countries were still debating whether to take action. In a study conducted in January (https://systems.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Gardner-JHU_nCoV-Modeling-Report_Jan-26.pdf), Johns Hopkins University said Taiwan was one of the most at-risk areas outside of mainland China -- owing to its close proximity, ties and transport links.

Among those early decisive measures was the decision to ban travel from many parts of China, stop cruise ships docking at the island's ports, and introduce strict punishments for anyone found breaching home quarantine orders. In addition, Taiwanese officials also moved to ramp up domestic face-mask production to ensure the local supply, rolled out island-wide testing for coronavirus -- including re-testing people who had previously unexplained pneumonia -- and announced new punishments for spreading disinformation about the virus.

"Given the continual spread of Covid-19 around the world, understanding the action items that were implemented quickly in Taiwan, and the effectiveness of these actions in preventing a large-scale epidemic, may be instructive for other countries," Wang and his co-authors wrote.... Taiwan is in such a strong position now that, after weeks of banning the export of face masks in order to ensure the domestic supply, the government said Wednesday (https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202004010014) that it would donate 10 million masks to the United States, Italy, Spain and nine other European countries, as well as smaller nations who have diplomatic ties with the island.

[Splits]

Oh, and "actual" CFR is a worthless measure, don't even bring it in to the calculus when the reporting data behind it is completely scattershot. It's like a 2 year lagging indicator. "Real-time" CFR, 10% new case/death at peak is a safe assumption.

[boutons_deux]

Why Taiwan's Coronavirus Response Is Among The Best Globally



Taiwan and some other countries have not spent the last 40+ years defunding, destaffing its govt into dysfunctionality, while the official Repug propaganda strategy was

"Government IS the problem"

drown the govt in a bathtub

... which is what the oligarchy paid Repug whores to do,

as the feckless Dems complied in silence (or actively like Bill Clinton)

compounded the Macho Rugged Individualism "fuck govt, fuck taxes" myth so beloved by low-wage, low-ed, overweight/obese un-rugged Americans.

The oligarchy/Repugs have actually made America ungovernable and dysfunctional.

[boutons_deux]

right wing hate media dumbing down (only some of) America

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

============

Washington state nonprofit files lawsuit saying Fox News misled viewers about coronavirus

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/washington-state-nonprofit-files-lawsuit-saying-fox-news-misled-viewers-about-coronavirus/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/washington-state-nonprofit-files-lawsuit-saying-fox-news-misled-viewers-about-coronavirus/)

[Winehole23]

Another savvy investment move by Sen Loeffler:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/kelly-loeffler-protective-gear-investment

[boutons_deux]

True?

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91785632_10163262102860029_4861218820846518272_n.j pg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=EtWVdwvdjGEAX9ode8K&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=4206ead34a21dae5ecfa244f64a0790b&oe=5EB0A6C0

[Thread]

right wing hate media dumbing down (only some of) America

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

============

Washington state nonprofit files lawsuit saying Fox News misled viewers about coronavirus

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/washington-state-nonprofit-files-lawsuit-saying-fox-news-misled-viewers-about-coronavirus/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/washington-state-nonprofit-files-lawsuit-saying-fox-news-misled-viewers-about-coronavirus/)




That'll be the new norm goin' forward,,,suing the shit outta each other!!!

[Thread]

Another savvy investment move by Sen Loeffler:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/kelly-loeffler-protective-gear-investment

You got nary room. Your Feinstein is in this pickle as well.

[Thread]

Why Taiwan's Coronavirus Response Is Among The Best Globally

Why does Taiwan have less than 400 confirmed cases of Covid-19? Taiwan's experience with the 2003 SARS outbreak "helped many parts of the region react faster to the current coronavirus outbreak and take the danger more seriously (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/asia/taiwan-coronavirus-response-who-intl-hnk/index.html) than in other parts of the world," reports CNN, "both at a governmental and societal level, with border controls and the wearing of face masks quickly becoming routine as early as January (https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/asia/coronavirus-mask-messaging-intl-hnk/index.html) in many areas."

Their article also notes that Taiwan "has a world-class health care system, with universal coverage," which drew praise in new report published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689?guestAccessKey=2a3c6994-9e10-4a0b-9f32-cc2fb55b61a5&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=030320): "Taiwan rapidly produced and implemented a list of at least 124 action items (https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/jvp200035supp1_prod.pdf?Expires=2147483647&Signature=bIZCLS7ZLWTJd~U~H40JgiEGdFb3ggVUJpBvJ7Kd ANK7HgK1zaj4uWHvqweGym1nWfO~nXt9Y5i1vX79pF7zjjqfzm JAy3udTdpVVZQe07xnQIPcBMXLwZ5XjgTO8yKFXVIpxsXhrmOu 8sGSpKiEmQ86ZCKfOTar7fMAGmUCtjiYVFwf31K3REWAA-r3hZyoZpqz3QKpVgpsRpF9fV9thQCq0~yvbvRKTH4PcoB~CZgm XH7rpVb6bILXQn5zBCphf6pyLAa4zIebUEKfCdCYdSdi9LeIEU sesqsYpNWgHJcr4K1LC0hFlst0RHQz-vZ7I-OvrX~5jel6zjjtuDQzjQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA) in the past five weeks to protect public health," report co-author Jason Wang, a Taiwanese doctor and associate professor of pediatrics at Stanford Medicine, said in a statement (https://healthpolicy.fsi.stanford.edu/news/how-taiwan-used-big-data-transparency-central-command-protect-its-people-coronavirus). "The policies and actions go beyond border control because they recognized that that wasn't enough." This was while other countries were still debating whether to take action. In a study conducted in January (https://systems.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Gardner-JHU_nCoV-Modeling-Report_Jan-26.pdf), Johns Hopkins University said Taiwan was one of the most at-risk areas outside of mainland China -- owing to its close proximity, ties and transport links.

Among those early decisive measures was the decision to ban travel from many parts of China, stop cruise ships docking at the island's ports, and introduce strict punishments for anyone found breaching home quarantine orders. In addition, Taiwanese officials also moved to ramp up domestic face-mask production to ensure the local supply, rolled out island-wide testing for coronavirus -- including re-testing people who had previously unexplained pneumonia -- and announced new punishments for spreading disinformation about the virus.

"Given the continual spread of Covid-19 around the world, understanding the action items that were implemented quickly in Taiwan, and the effectiveness of these actions in preventing a large-scale epidemic, may be instructive for other countries," Wang and his co-authors wrote.... Taiwan is in such a strong position now that, after weeks of banning the export of face masks in order to ensure the domestic supply, the government said Wednesday (https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202004010014) that it would donate 10 million masks to the United States, Italy, Spain and nine other European countries, as well as smaller nations who have diplomatic ties with the island.

& of course it don't hurt that we've been guaranteeing their safety for a coon's age. Makes it easy to have nice things that-a-way. Anytime they get in a $ jam..."Hey, American, China is scaring us!"

[ElNono]

& of course it don't hurt that we've been guaranteeing their safety for a coon's age. Makes it easy to have nice things that-a-way. Anytime they get in a $ jam..."Hey, American, China is scaring us!"

Don't change the subject. This isn't about America, it's about looking what a relatively successful response look like and hopefully learning from it.

[Thread]

Don't change the subject. This isn't about America, it's about looking what a relatively successful response look like and hopefully learning from it.

Everything counts now, El. I ain't givin' an inch.

[Winehole23]

You got nary room. Your Feinstein is in this pickle as well.Let the chips fall, I feel comfortable criticizing anyone who does this.

[clambake]

spends everyday defending....then rolls up his tent and fights with the other members for the morsels and scraps of attention from the old man.

dragging poor katie, pimping her out.

[Thread]

Let the chips fall, I feel comfortable criticizing anyone who does this.

Only after I prompted ya.

[Thread]

spends everyday defending....then rolls up his tent and fights with the other members for the morsels and scraps of attention from the old man.

dragging poor katie, pimping her out.

Your mother's waitin', clammy. Get ta fuckin' her some more.

[Winehole23]

Only after I prompted ya.
No sir, I've already weighed in on Feinstein. Let er have it.

[Thread]

No sir, I've already weighed in on Feinstein. Let er have it.

Please.

[Winehole23]

Umdocumented farm workers deemed essential for U okS food supply, yet not eligible for COVID-19 assistance.

https://fortune.com/2020/04/03/farmworkers-coronavirus-essential-workers-covid-19-agriculture/

[Winehole23]

Please.You don't have to believe it, but I did.

[clambake]

Your mother's waitin', clammy. Get ta fuckin' her some more.

be a real member and loan your skank to derp.

[boutons_deux]

... and the flu death rate is....?

2009 to 2010 USA swine flu 12500 dead / 60000000 infected, 18 months

[Thread]

be a real member and loan your skank to derp.

Seriously, clammy, what does your mother's woo woo look like?

Come ta Pappy.

Signed,

- Pappy

[Thread]

Umdocumented farm workers deemed essential for U okS food supply, yet not eligible for COVID-19 assistance.

https://fortune.com/2020/04/03/farmworkers-coronavirus-essential-workers-covid-19-agriculture/

Illegal farm workers, Winester.

& don't fret, sweetheart, they'll get that eligibility sooner rather than later.

[clambake]

Seriously, clammy, what does your mother's woo woo look like?

Come ta Pappy.

Signed,

- Pappy

she'd rather be tossed around, dale

she hates watching you lick the old mans boot

[Thread]

she'd rather be tossed around, dale

she hates watching you lick the old mans boot

Tell us about your mother's snatch, clammy.

[clambake]

Tell us about your mother's snatch, clammy.

asking about stuff that he gave up....after falling hard for the old man.

poor poor katie the witness.

[Thread]

asking about stuff that he gave up....after falling hard for the old man.

poor poor katie the witness.

You ever goof around in your mother's worn panties, uh, clammy?

[clambake]

poor poor katie, watching dale pursue the old man. terrible she's goin out like that.

[clambake]

katie begs....."stop licking that boot in front of me, dale"

[TimDunkem]

katie begs....."stop licking that boot in front of me, dale"

I'm sure it isn't the first time Dale gave his heart to someone other than Katie Girl.

[Thread]

poor poor katie, watching dale pursue the old man. terrible she's goin out like that.

Not using the [Reply With Quote] action, eh?

That ain't gonna save ya, honey-bun. tee, hee.

Now, go back and fuck your mother some more.

[Thread]

katie begs....."stop licking that boot in front of me, dale"

Not using the [Reply With Quote] action, eh? That ain't gonna save ya, sweetheart.

Is your mother's snatch hairy, clammy?

[Thread]

I'm sure it isn't the first time Dale gave his heart to someone other than Katie Girl.

Get out of it, TD. Or, your mother will be next. Savvy?

[clambake]

she hates watching you tongue the old man.

she begs "stop making me watch, dale"

[Thread]

she hates watching you tongue the old man.

she begs "stop making me watch, dale"

Not using the old [Reply With Quote] action, eh?

That won't save ya, clammy.

Now, what does your mother's snatch look like?

[TimDunkem]

Get out of it, TD. Or, your mother will be next. Savvy?

Triggered.

[clambake]

she hates watching you tongue the old man

[Thread]

Triggered.

Then you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. You were duly warned.

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

she hates watching you tongue the old man

Not using the old [Reply With Quote] action, eh?

That ain't gonna save ya, daddy.

How bout your mother's ass crack. What's that look like, clammy?

[clambake]

poor katie.....having to go out watching you tongue the old man

"why does he make me watch"

[TimDunkem]

Odd this is the one thing to finally ruffle Cub's feathers. Dale must feel deep shame deep down about his love for Trump and emotional infidelity to Katie Girl. He can't help it though - nothing comes before Trump and stickin' it to the libs.

Still, it hurts him because he knows Katie deserves better, but - just like he'd never side against Trump - he'll never admit to his failure to give Katie his heart and soul. Nuh uh. That belongs to Donald.

[clambake]

Odd this is the one thing to finally ruffle Cub's feathers. Dale must feel deep shame deep down about his love for Trump and emotional infidelity to Katie Girl. He can't help it though - nothing comes before Trump and stickin' it to the libs.

Still, it hurts him because he knows Katie deserves better, but - just like he'd never side against Trump - he'll never admit to his failure to give Katie his heart and soul. Nuh uh. That belongs to Donald.

i dont know about heart.....but she damn sure dont want that tongue anymore

[TimDunkem]

i dont know about heart.....but she damn sure dont want that tongue anymore

Can you blame the 'ol girl? It's turned orange from being up Trump's shitter for years now.

[Thread]

Odd this is the one thing to finally ruffle Cub's feathers. Dale must feel deep shame deep down about his love for Trump and emotional infidelity to Katie Girl. He can't help it though - nothing comes before Trump and stickin' it to the libs.

Still, it hurts him because he knows Katie deserves better, but - just like he'd never side against Trump - he'll never admit to his failure to give Katie his heart and soul. Nuh uh. That belongs to Donald.

Oh, absolutely. I don't hide my shit.

Let us proceed...

Get back ta fuckin' your mother some more, TD.

[Thread]

Can you blame the 'ol girl? It's turned orange from being up Trump's shitter for years now.

Does your mother have a hairy coochie, TD?

[Thread]

i dont know about heart.....but she damn sure dont want that tongue anymore

Just get ta fuckin' your mother some more, clammy.

[TimDunkem]

Oh, absolutely. I don't hide my shit.

Let us proceed...

Get back ta fuckin' your mother some more, TD.

Unfortunately for Katie Girl that you don't hide your shit.

She has to watch you eat Trump's every day.

[Thread]

poor katie.....having to go out watching you tongue the old man

"why does he make me watch"

Your mother's waitin', clammy. Get ta fuckin'.

[Thread]

Unfortunately for Katie Girl that you don't hide your shit.

She has to watch you eat Trump's every day.

GO---EVERYBODY---GO!!!

[clambake]

poor poor katie....havin to go out like this

[Thread]

poor poor katie....havin to go out like this

GO-EVERYBODY-GO!!!

[clambake]

we need to work on her headstone. give her a proper send off.

[Thread]

we need to work on her headstone. give her a proper send off.

GO-EVERYBODY-GO!!!!!!

[TimDunkem]

we need to work on her headstone. give her a proper send off.

Lord knows Dale wouldn't even show up to the funeral.

"Nuh uh. Katie knew the score. My tongue is with Donald until the Ol Man is deep in the ground. Now shut up and hand me the Jergens - The Don is on the tv".

[Thread]

Lord knows Dale wouldn't even show up to the funeral.

"Nuh uh. Katie knew the score. My tongue is with Donald until the Ol Man is deep in the ground. Now shut up and hand me the Jergens - The Don is on the tv".

Your mother is waitin', TD. Get ta fuckin' her.

[TimDunkem]

Your mother is waitin', TD. Get ta fuckin' her.

Don't make Katie Girl go out like this.

[Thread]

Don't make Katie Girl go out like this.

GO---EVERYBODY---GO!!!!!!!!!

[Thread]

Don't make Katie Girl go out like this.

CHARGE!!!!!!

[clambake]

Lord knows Dale wouldn't even show up to the funeral.

"Nuh uh. Katie knew the score. My tongue is with Donald until the Ol Man is deep in the ground. Now shut up and hand me the Jergens - The Don is on the tv".

lol

[Thread]

lol

Your mother is waitin', clammy. Get ta fuckin'.

[clambake]

and katie......forced to watch from her cage.

[TimDunkem]

"Hope you paid the cable bill today, Kate. You'll get the hose again if I miss one second of my Don"

[Thread]

and katie......forced to watch from her cage.

CHARGE!!!!!!

[Thread]

"Hope you paid the cable bill today, Kate. You'll get the hose again if I miss one second of my Don"

MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[ElNono]

Everything counts now, El. I ain't givin' an inch.

we already knew that, even before the pandemic...

[Thread]

we already knew that, even before the pandemic...

This is true.

[TimDunkem]

He'll absolutely take a few inches though. From his Don, that is.

Don: "Bend over"

Dale: "Let us proceed..."

Katie Girl: *muffled weeping from the basement*

[Thread]

He'll absolutely take a few inches though. From his Don, that is.

Don: "Bend over"

Dale: "Let us proceed..."

Katie Girl: *muffled weeping from the basement*

CHARGE!!!

[Trill Clinton]

1246531751775580161

[TimDunkem]

1246531751775580161

And this will be happening across Republican areas all across the country.

[Thread]

And this will be happening across Republican areas all across the country.

Shut up and get to porking your mother's balloon knot.

[TimDunkem]

Shut up and get to porking your mother's balloon knot.

I'd say shut up and go back to letting Don pork ya' balloon knot, but Katie Girl deserves better.

[Thread]

I'd say shut up and go back to letting Don pork ya' balloon knot, but Katie Girl deserves better.

Shut up and get to porking your mother's balloon knot!!!

[TimDunkem]

Shut up and get to porking your mother's balloon knot!!!

Katie Girl deserves better! Set her free! Your tongue and soul belongs to your Don.

[Thread]

Katie Girl deserves better! Set her free! Your tongue and soul belongs to your Don.


Shut up and get to porking your mother's balloon knot!!!!!!

[Blake]

Shut up and get to porking your mother's balloon knot!!!

Thanks for several pages of this in this thread

[boutons_deux]

‘That would be a false statement’: Dr. Fauci knocks down claim virus is ‘under control’

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Brennan_fauci2.jpg

“This is going to be a bad week,” Fauci explained to CBS News host Margarett Brennan.

“We’re going to continue to see an escalation.

We should also hope that within a week, maybe a little bit more,

we should start to see a flattening out of the curve.” WTF

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/that-would-be-a-false-statement-dr-fauci-knocks-down-claim-virus-is-under-control/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4214 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/that-would-be-a-false-statement-dr-fauci-knocks-down-claim-virus-is-under-control/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4214)

[Thread]

‘That would be a false statement’: Dr. Fauci knocks down claim virus is ‘under control’

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Brennan_fauci2.jpg

“This is going to be a bad week,” Fauci explained to CBS News host Margarett Brennan.

“We’re going to continue to see an escalation.

We should also hope that within a week, maybe a little bit more,

we should start to see a flattening out of the curve.” WTF

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/that-would-be-a-false-statement-dr-fauci-knocks-down-claim-virus-is-under-control/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4214 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/that-would-be-a-false-statement-dr-fauci-knocks-down-claim-virus-is-under-control/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4214)





He's been shaky ever since he put that 100k-240k death count in the scrolls. That was a moment, turned into a tell. & he knelt. Not as big a shot as he'd advertised.

ADDENDUM:::And the old man put them on-the-spot that day, broad daylight. Made EVERYBODY on that dais own those #'s. Only He, the old man owned them. The doctors fidgeted it & played grab ass with 'em after they'd been cited. Not ---45---...he stood the gaffe.

the old man

[boutons_deux]

Louisiana pastor grilled on CNN for plan to

pack 27 buses full of worshipers and

haul them to church during COVID-19 crisis

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/blackwell_spell.jpg

Life Tabernacle Church pastor Tony Spell said he was ignoring advice from local officials

“This morning, yes, sir, 10:00 AM.

We will actually run our buses.

We have 27 buses that we cover in a 50-mile radius of our city.

We bring people into the house of God,

feed them natural food and spiritual food ?????

“Last Sunday we had 1,800 in attendance.

This Sunday with the fear that’s been propagated into the hearts of my people, :lol

it may have had an adverse effect with more people than last week,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/louisiana-pastor-grilled-on-cnn-for-plan-to-pack-27-buses-full-of-worshipers-and-haul-them-to-church-during-covid-19-crisis/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4214 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/louisiana-pastor-grilled-on-cnn-for-plan-to-pack-27-buses-full-of-worshipers-and-haul-them-to-church-during-covid-19-crisis/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4214)

see LA here

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[boutons_deux]

#FoxNewsLiedAsPeopleDied

trends as internet rails against the right: ‘Conspiracy of science denial for political purposes’

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/foxnewsliedaspeopledied-trends-as-internet-rails-against-the-right-conspiracy-of-science-denial-for-political-purposes/

[boutons_deux]

Thanks for several pages of this in this thread

https://media.giphy.com/media/NUJZKPi2CpqpO/giphy.gif

[Thread]

#FoxNewsLiedAsPeopleDied

trends as internet rails against the right: ‘Conspiracy of science denial for political purposes’

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/foxnewsliedaspeopledied-trends-as-internet-rails-against-the-right-conspiracy-of-science-denial-for-political-purposes/

They ain't alone. CNN/MSNBC lies as well.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's been shaky ever since he put that 100k-240k death count in the scrolls. That was a moment, turned into a tell. & he knelt. Not as big a shot as he'd advertised.

ADDENDUM:::And the old man put them on-the-spot that day, broad daylight. Made EVERYBODY on that dais own those #'s. Only He, the old man owned them. The doctors fidgeted it & played grab ass with 'em after they'd been cited. Not ---45---...he stood the gaffe.

the old man

Dr Anthony Fauci was the man behind the AIDS/HIV hoax epidemic back in the 80's under the Reagan administration. Don't believe a single word that man has to say.