Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[tholdren]

We're going in circles. I told you already that I simply won't take your word for it, back it up.

Like I said from the very begging, it's your conspiracy theory and you received every opportunity to back it up, but apparently cannot.



It's your claim, you're the one that has to support it. I supported mine.
It doesnt matter to what you "think" its obvious you don't get numbers.

Its not a claim. Its a fact that states backlog data.

Also a fact - states use covid antibody tests to count death as covid. Now that's science!

[ElNono]

It doesnt matter to what you "think" its obvious you don't get numbers.

Its not a claim. Its a fact that states backlog data.

Also a fact - states use covid antibody tests to count death as covid. Now that's science!

No, I get numbers, what's obvious is that you can't back up your own claims, you even said you had direct quotes, but you produced nothing here. You keep making claims like your last sentence backed up by nothing.

On the other hand, we have the CDC actually explaining to you how death certs and counts work...

Delays in reporting

Provisional counts of deaths are underestimated relative to final counts. This is due to the many steps involved in reporting death certificate data. When a death occurs, a certifier (e.g. physician, medical examiner or coroner) will complete the death certificate with the underlying cause of death and any contributing causes of death. In some cases, laboratory tests or autopsy results may be required to determine the cause of death. Completed death certificate are sent to the state vital records office and then to NCHS for cause of death coding. At NCHS, about 80% of deaths are automatically processed and coded within seconds, but 20% of deaths need to manually coded, or coded by a person. Deaths involving certain conditions such as influenza and pneumonia are more likely to require manual coding than other causes of death. Furthermore, all deaths with COVID-19 are manually coded. Death certificates are typically manually coded within 7 days of receipt, although the coding delay can grow if there is a large increase in the number of deaths. As a result, underestimation of the number of deaths may be greater for certain causes of death than others.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/tech_notes.htm#:~:text=Deaths%20due%20to%20COVID%2 D,19%2Drelated%20mortality

...which shits all over you conspiracy theory. Even if it takes 8 weeks to get the data in, the data eventually makes it into the system.

The problem here is you making shit up, and not backing it up. It has nothing to do with anybody else. You were just in a thread where it appears that Florida is undercounting, and not a peep from your sorry ass.

If you have a political bone to pick, just say so. It's a lot simpler than just embarrassing yourself.

I'll respond again once you brought up the evidence you promised.

[tholdren]

No, I get numbers, what's obvious is that you can't back up your own claims, you even said you had direct quotes, but you produced nothing here. You keep making claims like your last sentence backed up by nothing.

On the other hand, we have the CDC actually explaining to you how death certs and counts work...

Delays in reporting

Provisional counts of deaths are underestimated relative to final counts. This is due to the many steps involved in reporting death certificate data. When a death occurs, a certifier (e.g. physician, medical examiner or coroner) will complete the death certificate with the underlying cause of death and any contributing causes of death. In some cases, laboratory tests or autopsy results may be required to determine the cause of death. Completed death certificate are sent to the state vital records office and then to NCHS for cause of death coding. At NCHS, about 80% of deaths are automatically processed and coded within seconds, but 20% of deaths need to manually coded, or coded by a person. Deaths involving certain conditions such as influenza and pneumonia are more likely to require manual coding than other causes of death. Furthermore, all deaths with COVID-19 are manually coded. Death certificates are typically manually coded within 7 days of receipt, although the coding delay can grow if there is a large increase in the number of deaths. As a result, underestimation of the number of deaths may be greater for certain causes of death than others.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/tech_notes.htm#:~:text=Deaths%20due%20to%20COVID%2 D,19%2Drelated%20mortality

...which shits all over you conspiracy theory. Even if it takes 8 weeks to get the data in, the data eventually makes it into the system.

The problem here is you making shit up, and not backing it up. It has nothing to do with anybody else. You were just in a thread where it appears that Florida is undercounting, and not a peep from your sorry ass.

If you have a political bone to pick, just say so. It's a lot simpler than just embarrassing yourself.

I'll respond again once you brought up the evidence you promised.

lololololol you are not smart. Bwahahahaha that has NOTHING to do with daily fatality or case counts. Bwahahahhahahahahahahaahahhahaha

[ElNono]

lololololol you are not smart. Bwahahahaha that has NOTHING to do with daily fatality or case counts. Bwahahahhahahahahahahaahahhahaha


Lol. If you don't understand that cases and fatalities reported daily

:lmao:lmao:lmao /thread

[SnakeBoy]

I was thinking about the weirdness of the protests vs, the corona this morning as I was driving in to work. The City of San Antonio issues a permit for 1000+ protesters to walk arm in arm all over downtown, but won't let high school kids have a graduation? How asymmetrical is that?

It's part of the plan to help Biden win urban districts.

[tholdren]

:lmao:lmao:lmao /thread

pretty much. You copy and pasted provisional death counting that has nothing to do with daily case or fatality reporting . Bwahahahhahahhahahahah

[TSA]

No new coronavirus cases reported in Lake of the Ozarks partiers, health official says

https://www.foxnews.com/health/no-new-coronavirus-cases-lake-of-the-ozarks-pool-parties.amp?fbclid=IwAR39W1oko_BQH6RkkfXyEbJpohGKP pKV_OHbHyMXz3Xbz9CYZYMxbnFTOZ4&__twitter_impression=true

[ElNono]

:cry You copy and pasted provisional death counting that has nothing to do : cry

says who? you?


Bwahahahhahahhahahahah

[tholdren]

says who? you?
Nope I read your copy and pasted post that didn't even address the question at hand. Lol mr. Provisional. Bwahahhahah you....
Lockdown caused more deaths than it saved, a Nobel laureate scientist said on Saturday, as he predicted the UK would emerge from Covid-19 within weeks.

Michael Levitt, a Stanford University professor who correctly predicted the initial trajectory of the pandemic, sent messages to Professor Neil Ferguson in March telling the influential government advisor he had over-estimated the potential death toll by "10 or 12 times".

The Imperial College professor's modelling, a major factor in the Government's apparent abandoning of a so-called herd-immunity policy, was part of an unnecessary "panic virus" which spread among global political leaders, Prof Levitt now tells the Telegraph.

[ElNono]

So you have a beef with Ferguson, is that it? Again, we're still waiting your 'evidence' that the data is manipulated. Crickets so far.

Don't expect anything at this point, other than muhahahaha and deflections in the form of personal attacks.

The only thing we've established so far is that you have a conspiracy theory you can't back up. Called it!

[tholdren]

So you have a beef with Ferguson, is that it? Again, we're still waiting your 'evidence' that the data is manipulated. Crickets so far.

Don't expect anything at this point, other than muhahahaha and deflections in the form of personal attacks.

The only thing we've established so far is that you have a conspiracy theory you can't back up. Called it!

not a conspiracy theory. Just simple math. Tell us more about provisional deaths while you think you are addressing validity of daily counts. Lol you

[phxspurfan]

I was thinking about the weirdness of the protests vs, the corona this morning as I was driving in to work. The City of San Antonio issues a permit for 1000+ protesters to walk arm in arm all over downtown, but won't let high school kids have a graduation? How asymmetrical is that?

political pressure. Always been about threats to re election for elected officials

[tholdren]

No new coronavirus cases reported in Lake of the Ozarks partiers, health official says

https://www.foxnews.com/health/no-new-coronavirus-cases-lake-of-the-ozarks-pool-parties.amp?fbclid=IwAR39W1oko_BQH6RkkfXyEbJpohGKP pKV_OHbHyMXz3Xbz9CYZYMxbnFTOZ4&__twitter_impression=true
Well they meant 2 more weeks

[DMC]

You're right. A scientific model should just assume we're gonna do some random, unarticulated shit, without any level of detail or precision, and rely on that assumption in spitting out figures that will be used to make social policy. You don't think shit through before you hit post, do you?

The model? No. You? yes.

You're not the model.

Model the NBA game

"Memphis started out on a 10-0 run against the Warriors... the model says the game will end with Memphis shutting out the Warriors 110-0"

Vy65 "You'd have to conclude that Memphis is no doubt the favorites to win it all this year"


Then... 2nd quarter, Warriors are up by 25.

Vy65 "So the model didn't have all the data, so since the Warriors overcame that deficit and now hold a 25 point lead, you'd have to conclude a team that can score that many points that fast is the hands down favorite to win it all this year"


:cry "muh models"

[TSA]

Nope, I posted a published study that's not been retracted nor debunked. I'll take the L and apologize when it is.

In the meantime, I'm going to bask in the glory of my W.:lol basking in the glory of your W

Retraction: "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis"

Statement from The Lancet

Today, three of the authors of the paper, "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis", have retracted their study. They were unable to complete an independent audit of the data underpinning their analysis. As a result, they have concluded that they "can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources." The Lancet takes issues of scientific integrity extremely seriously, and there are many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data that were allegedly included in this study. Following guidelines from the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) and International Committee of Medical Journal Editors (ICMJE), institutional reviews of Surgisphere’s research collaborations are urgently needed.

The retraction notice is published today, June 4, 2020. The article will be updated to reflect this retraction shortly.


After publication of our Lancet Article,1 several concerns were raised with respect to the veracity of the data and analyses conducted by Surgisphere Corporation and its founder and our co-author, Sapan Desai, in our publication. We launched an independent third-party peer review of Surgisphere with the consent of Sapan Desai to evaluate the origination of the database elements, to confirm the completeness of the database, and to replicate the analyses presented in the paper.Our independent peer reviewers informed us that Surgisphere would not transfer the full dataset, client contracts, and the full ISO audit report to their servers for analysis as such transfer would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements. As such, our reviewers were not able to conduct an independent and private peer review and therefore notified us of their withdrawal from the peer-review process.We always aspire to perform our research in accordance with the highest ethical and professional guidelines. We can never forget the responsibility we have as researchers to scrupulously ensure that we rely on data sources that adhere to our high standards. Based on this development, we can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources. Due to this unfortunate development, the authors request that the paper be retracted.We all entered this collaboration to contribute in good faith and at a time of great need during the COVID-19 pandemic. We deeply apologise to you, the editors, and the journal readership for any embarrassment or inconvenience that this may have caused

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[boutons_deux]

Governments and WHO changed Covid-19 policy based on suspect data from tiny US company

Surgisphere, whose employees appear to include

a sci-fi writer :lol

and

adult content model, :lol

provided database behind Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine hydroxychloroquine studies

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...oxychloroquine (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine)

[spurraider21]

:lol basking in the glory of your W

Retraction: "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis"

Statement from The Lancet

Today, three of the authors of the paper, "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis", have retracted their study. They were unable to complete an independent audit of the data underpinning their analysis. As a result, they have concluded that they "can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources." The Lancet takes issues of scientific integrity extremely seriously, and there are many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data that were allegedly included in this study. Following guidelines from the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) and International Committee of Medical Journal Editors (ICMJE), institutional reviews of Surgisphere’s research collaborations are urgently needed.

The retraction notice is published today, June 4, 2020. The article will be updated to reflect this retraction shortly.


After publication of our Lancet Article,1 several concerns were raised with respect to the veracity of the data and analyses conducted by Surgisphere Corporation and its founder and our co-author, Sapan Desai, in our publication. We launched an independent third-party peer review of Surgisphere with the consent of Sapan Desai to evaluate the origination of the database elements, to confirm the completeness of the database, and to replicate the analyses presented in the paper.Our independent peer reviewers informed us that Surgisphere would not transfer the full dataset, client contracts, and the full ISO audit report to their servers for analysis as such transfer would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements. As such, our reviewers were not able to conduct an independent and private peer review and therefore notified us of their withdrawal from the peer-review process.We always aspire to perform our research in accordance with the highest ethical and professional guidelines. We can never forget the responsibility we have as researchers to scrupulously ensure that we rely on data sources that adhere to our high standards. Based on this development, we can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources. Due to this unfortunate development, the authors request that the paper be retracted.We all entered this collaboration to contribute in good faith and at a time of great need during the COVID-19 pandemic. We deeply apologise to you, the editors, and the journal readership for any embarrassment or inconvenience that this may have caused

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
:tu the process is self correcting

[DarrinS]

1268613313702891523

[DarrinS]

TSA already posted. Nevermind

[DarrinS]

HCQ doesn't appear effective as prophylaxis

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/03/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-prevent-covid-19-infection-in-people-who-have-been-exposed-study-says/

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19 Can Last for Several Months

The disease’s “long-haulers” have endured relentless waves of debilitating symptoms—and disbelief from doctors and friends.

When I spoke with LeClerc on day 66, she was still experiencing waves of symptoms.

“Before this, I was a fit, healthy 32-year-old,” she said. “Now I’ve been reduced to

not being able to stand up in the shower without feeling fatigued.

I’ve tried going to the supermarket and I’m in bed for days afterwards. It’s like nothing I’ve ever experienced before.”

support groups on Slack (https://www.wearebodypolitic.com/covid19) and Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/groups/COVID19survivorcorps/) host thousands of people like LeClerc, who say they have been wrestling with serious COVID-19 symptoms for at least a month, if not two or three.

Most have never been admitted to an ICU or gone on a ventilator, so their cases technically count as “mild.”

But their lives have nonetheless been flattened

by relentless and rolling waves of symptoms that

make it hard to concentrate, exercise, or perform simple physical tasks.

Most are young.

Most were previously fit and healthy. “

“Even reading a book is challenging and exhausting.

What small joys other people are experiencing in lockdown—

yoga, bread baking—are beyond the realms of possibility for me.”

are trapped in a statistical limbo, uncounted and thus overlooked.

COVID-19 affects many different organs (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-destroys-lungs-but-doctors-are-finding-its-damage-in-kidneys-hearts-and-elsewhere/2020/04/14/7ff71ee0-7db1-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html?arc404=true)—that much is now clear. But in March, when many long-haulers were first falling sick with gut, heart, and brain problems, the disease was still regarded as a mainly respiratory one.

As many people reported “brain fogs” and concentration challenges as coughs or fevers.

Some have experienced hallucinations, delirium, short-term memory loss, or strange vibrating sensations when they touch surfaces.

Others are likely having problems with their sympathetic nervous system, which controls unconscious processes like heartbeats and breathing:

They’ll be out of breath even when their oxygen level is normal, or

experience what feel like heart attacks even though EKG readings and chest X-rays are clear.

“Every day you wake up and you might have a different symptom.”

The isolation of the pandemic has been hard enough for many healthy people.

But it has exacerbated the foggy minds, intense fatigue, and perpetual fear of erratic symptoms that long-haulers are also dealing with.

“It plays with your head, man,”

These are people you’re trying to get serious help from, and they don’t even understand your reality,”

“My anxiety is thought-based,” but with COVID-19, “the physical symptoms happen first,”

others have noted that their symptoms reappear when they try to regain a measure of agency by cleaning, working out, or even doing yoga.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/covid-19-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-months/612679/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20200604&silverid=NjMwMjkwNjYyOTQ2S0 (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/covid-19-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-months/612679/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20200604&silverid=NjMwMjkwNjYyOTQ2S0)

[ElNono]

:lol basking in the glory of your W

Retraction: "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis"

Statement from The Lancet

Today, three of the authors of the paper, "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis", have retracted their study. They were unable to complete an independent audit of the data underpinning their analysis. As a result, they have concluded that they "can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources." The Lancet takes issues of scientific integrity extremely seriously, and there are many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data that were allegedly included in this study. Following guidelines from the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) and International Committee of Medical Journal Editors (ICMJE), institutional reviews of Surgisphere’s research collaborations are urgently needed.

The retraction notice is published today, June 4, 2020. The article will be updated to reflect this retraction shortly.


After publication of our Lancet Article,1 several concerns were raised with respect to the veracity of the data and analyses conducted by Surgisphere Corporation and its founder and our co-author, Sapan Desai, in our publication. We launched an independent third-party peer review of Surgisphere with the consent of Sapan Desai to evaluate the origination of the database elements, to confirm the completeness of the database, and to replicate the analyses presented in the paper.Our independent peer reviewers informed us that Surgisphere would not transfer the full dataset, client contracts, and the full ISO audit report to their servers for analysis as such transfer would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements. As such, our reviewers were not able to conduct an independent and private peer review and therefore notified us of their withdrawal from the peer-review process.We always aspire to perform our research in accordance with the highest ethical and professional guidelines. We can never forget the responsibility we have as researchers to scrupulously ensure that we rely on data sources that adhere to our high standards. Based on this development, we can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources. Due to this unfortunate development, the authors request that the paper be retracted.We all entered this collaboration to contribute in good faith and at a time of great need during the COVID-19 pandemic. We deeply apologise to you, the editors, and the journal readership for any embarrassment or inconvenience that this may have caused

https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246?utm_campaign=tlcoronavirus20&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social


1268613313702891523

:tu

Short lived basking after all. Promise made is promise kept. I'm holding to this L dearly.

Also, apologies to Darrin.
TSA DarrinS

[DarrinS]

:tu

Short lived basking after all. Promise made is promise kept. I'm holding to this L dearly.

Also, apologies to Darrin.
TSA DarrinS

As I posted the other day, no apology necessary. Science should never be politicized.

I posted an article today showing HCQ doesn't prevent covid-19. I have no investment in HCQ one way or the other. If it doesn't work, fine. Move on to something better.

[DMC]

:tu the process is self correcting

I think that's a bit of a misnomer. Self correcting would mean they never released the paper in the 1st place.

[ElNono]

As I posted the other day, no apology necessary. Science should never be politicized.

I posted an article today showing HCQ doesn't prevent covid-19. I have no investment in HCQ one way or the other. If it doesn't work, fine. Move on to something better.

:tu

[DarrinS]

What is something as simple and cheap as vitamin D and aspirin kept you from dying?

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04363840

[spurraider21]

I think that's a bit of a misnomer. Self correcting would mean they never released the paper in the 1st place.
Not really

[spurraider21]

No need to apologize for sharing a study unless you knew it was inaccurate. We were all aware that there were concerns voiced and that the lancet was aware of them

[ElNono]

No need to apologize for sharing a study unless you knew it was inaccurate. We were all aware that there were concerns voiced and that the lancet was aware of them

I'm not apologizing for sharing the study, tbh... I pointed fingers at Darrin with it, that's why.

It should also be said that The Lancet remains a prestigious publisher of scientific materials.

[spurraider21]

I'm not apologizing for sharing the study, tbh... I pointed fingers at Darrin with it, that's why.

It should also be said that The Lancet remains a prestigious publisher of scientific materials.
Of course. And this series of events gives them credibility.

As as soon as concerns were raised they investigated and eventually retracted

[tholdren]

Sadly for most trumps defending of the WHO seems like the right move

[ElNono]

UK trial on hydroxychloroquine: ‘It doesn’t work’

A large, randomized U.K. trial found “no clinical benefit” of hydroxychloroquine to treat hospitalized Covid-19 patients, researchers announced Friday.

“It doesn’t work,” declared Martin Landray, one of the lead researchers, at a briefing. Patients receiving hydroxychloroquine died at about the same rate — about one in four — as those receiving regular care in a randomized trial being conducted by the University of Oxford and the U.K. National Health Service.

Researchers said they're no longer giving patients the malaria drug in the so-called RECOVERY trial, which will continue to evaluate three other treatments as potential coronavirus fixes.

For anyone who's hospitalized, "hydroxychloroquine is not the right treatment," Landray said.

Researchers reviewed their data earlier than planned following a request Thursday by the U.K.'s drugs regulator.

...

The WHO now plans to once again reconsider testing hydroxychloroquine after the U.K. researchers informed the U.N. health body of their determinations this morning, said Peter Horby, the other principal investigator.

---

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/05/uk-trial-on-hydroxychloroquine-it-doesnt-work-303275

[tholdren]

UK trial on hydroxychloroquine: ‘It doesn’t work’

A large, randomized U.K. trial found “no clinical benefit” of hydroxychloroquine to treat hospitalized Covid-19 patients, researchers announced Friday.

“It doesn’t work,” declared Martin Landray, one of the lead researchers, at a briefing. Patients receiving hydroxychloroquine died at about the same rate — about one in four — as those receiving regular care in a randomized trial being conducted by the University of Oxford and the U.K. National Health Service.

Researchers said they're no longer giving patients the malaria drug in the so-called RECOVERY trial, which will continue to evaluate three other treatments as potential coronavirus fixes.

For anyone who's hospitalized, "hydroxychloroquine is not the right treatment," Landray said.

Researchers reviewed their data earlier than planned following a request Thursday by the U.K.'s drugs regulator.

...

The WHO now plans to once again reconsider testing hydroxychloroquine after the U.K. researchers informed the U.N. health body of their determinations this morning, said Peter Horby, the other principal investigator.

---

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/05/uk-trial-on-hydroxychloroquine-it-doesnt-work-303275
Back to pseudo science since you dont understand numbers, great work

[ElNono]

Sharing news... you sure do sound upset to the fact you've been proven not to be credible.

[tholdren]

Sharing news... you sure do sound upset to the fact you've been proven not to be credible.
My credibility has nothing to do with your lack of understanding or laziness of looking. Keep on Googling, now that is analysis.

Tell me more about those daily cases and daily fatalities.

[ElNono]

My credibility has nothing to do with your lack of understanding or laziness of looking. Keep on Googling, now that is analysis.

Tell me more about those daily cases and daily fatalities.

We all understand you can't back up what you say. Other posters and I certainly haven't been lazy in engaging with you, and giving you ample opportunity to back up your assertions.

Seems laziness has only come from you... at the end of the day you're all talk, that much is clear.

[tholdren]

We all understand you can't back up what you say. Other posters and I certainly haven't been lazy in engaging with you, and giving you ample opportunity to back up your assertions.

Seems laziness has only come from you... at the end of the day you're all talk, that much is clear.

I told you where to get the data. You just want to copy and paste. Sad you're lazy

[tholdren]

We all understand you can't back up what you say. Other posters and I certainly haven't been lazy in engaging with you, and giving you ample opportunity to back up your assertions.

Seems laziness has only come from you... at the end of the day you're all talk, that much is clear.

still.dont know how to make sense of the numbers? Just repost headlines. Deep thoughts man.

[pgardn]

still.dont know how to make sense of the numbers? Just repost headlines. Deep thoughts man.

Tapping out.

per usual.

[tholdren]

Tapping out.

per usual.

Zzzzzzzzz

[tholdren]

Testing explosions cases trend and pos down.

[boutons_deux]

red states suckered by the Repug leaders into more disease and death, for profit

https://rt.live/

[tholdren]

red states suckered by the Repug leaders into more disease and death, for profit

https://rt.live/

Lol r factor. Daily cases man.


“[A]s public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission”…

[TDMVPDPOY]

have they updated any new transmit figures during the protest or after the protests??

down here after lockdown easing and now the stupid blm protests, looks to have some increase numbers but they not updating the numbers...

we have some clusters spreading, usually in workplaces with alot of employees spreading among each other and at home, still these selfish pricks wont stay home and continue to goto work cause they fear of losing their jobs in this current economy climate recession/depression

[tholdren]

have they updated any new transmit figures during the protest or after the protests??

down here after lockdown easing and now the stupid blm protests, looks to have some increase numbers but they not updating the numbers...

we have some clusters spreading, usually in workplaces with alot of employees spreading among each other and at home, still these selfish pricks wont stay home and continue to goto work cause they fear of losing their jobs in this current economy climate recession/depression

I believe the only way to tell if there was a surge during the protests would be looking at cases by time and then by age.

A state to watch may be AZ.

[tholdren]

Some medical procedures require customers to take tests before able to get treatment. These tests may be showing in the data as pos only tests and disregarding the negative, increasing case and pos put.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1269785345136005120?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1269785345136005120?s=20Been like four days since that came out. Anyone actually talk to the two scientists said to be the authors?

[ElNono]

The $7,000 Covid test: Why states are stepping in to shield consumers
One national insurer was billed $6,946 for a coronavirus test in Texas, according to claims data reviewed by POLITICO.

Insurance regulators from Tennessee to Washington state have stepped up efforts to protect patients from unexpected bills for coronavirus tests, concerned the federal government has failed to shield people from thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket expenses.

Washington's insurance commissioner, Mike Kreidler, this week issued an emergency order banning labs for billing insured patients for doctor-ordered Covid-19 diagnostic tests. That followed moves in Tennessee, North Dakota, Oklahoma and Georgia to cap costs or more narrowly define what insurers should pay for as the number of tests processed daily surges to 465,000 as of June 4.

The state-by-state guidance and rules come after Congress and the Trump administration this spring assured Americans that coronavirus testing and any necessary trips to doctors and hospitals would be free. But lawmakers didn't limit charges if the testing is done out of network — or prohibit labs or hospitals from billing patients if insurers refuse to pay their posted charges.

Employers and health plans have complained this could lead to staggering costs. One national insurer was billed $6,946 for a coronavirus test in Texas, according to claims data reviewed by POLITICO. In Oklahoma, health plans received 175 out-of-network claims for coronavirus tests over a single week that ranged from $153 to $2,315 per test, said Laura Fleet, executive director of the Oklahoma Association of Health Plans.

Link: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/08/coronavirus-test-costs-304058

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Here comes the bait and switch, per the usual bad goods, etc

[tholdren]

I believe the only way to tell if there was a surge during the protests would be looking at cases by time and then by age.

A state to watch may be AZ.
AZ seems to only be reporting pos sero testing. Lol there's your data manipulation ChumpDumper and ElNono

[BSfromTX]

https://www.sbsun.com/2020/06/08/we-need-a-separation-of-medicine-and-the-state-ron-paul/

[ChumpDumper]

seemsPost proof of your claim.

[tholdren]

Post proof of your claim.
Az central. Use the diagnostic tests and the serology tests they are reporting and then do the math. You will find that the case numbers don't reconcile. You know how to do the math, right?

[ChumpDumper]

Az central. Use the diagnostic tests and the serology tests they are reporting and then do the math. You will find that the case numbers don't reconcile. You know how to do the math, right?foldren folds

[boutons_deux]

A Kentucky pastor said he’d sue Gov. Beshear to lift coronavirus restrictions — 17 members of his congregation now have COVID-19

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/pastor.jpg

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/a-kentucky-pastor-said-hed-sue-gov-beshear-to-lift-coronavirus-restrictions-17-members-of-his-congregation-now-have-covid-19/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4735

[tholdren]

foldren folds

I gave you everything you need. Why can't your math skills help you figure out what the reality is? Or can you not do the math, which I have caught you not being able to do for the past 4 months.... can you do the math? Yes or no. Be specific.

[tholdren]

ChumpDumper just found out after months of telling him where to download the data... now deflecting because he can't use math

[ChumpDumper]

ChumpDumper just found out after months of telling him where to download the data... now deflecting because he can't use mathfoldren folds because he can't answer simple questions about his data that he claims exist but can never post.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqyleC0eEE


Seems important

[TSA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqyleC0eEE


Seems important

How much longer after this will masks still be required?

[baseline bum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqyleC0eEE


Seems important

Awesome news. Between that and SARSCov2 not being able to be spread human to human, seems like pandemic is over amirite

[baseline bum]

How much longer after this will masks still be required?

Why are masks such a hot button political issue? It's such a minimal thing to do to slow spread.

[boutons_deux]

CDC wants states to count ‘probable’ coronavirus cases and deaths, but most aren’t doing it

Fewer than half the states are following federal recommendations to report probable coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_1) cases and deaths,

marking what experts say is

an unusual break with public health practices

that leads to inconsistent data collection and undercounts of the disease’s impact.

A Washington Post review found that the states not disclosing probable cases and deaths include some of the largest:

California,
Florida,
North Carolina and
New York.

That is one reason government officials and public health experts say

the virus’s true toll is above the U.S. tally (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/coronavirus-us-cases-deaths/?itid=hp_hp-banner-low_web-gfx-death-tracker%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&itid=lk_inline_manual_2)as of Sunday of about 1.9 million coronavirus cases and 109,000 deaths —

benchmarks that shape policymaking and public opinion on the pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/cdc-wants-states-to-count-probable-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-but-most-arent-doing-it/2020/06/07/4aac9a58-9d0a-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/cdc-wants-states-to-count-probable-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-but-most-arent-doing-it/2020/06/07/4aac9a58-9d0a-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html)

So govts are LYING to the public who then take an unknown risk, to spread the virus and cause 10Ks more infections and deaths.

For profit

[TSA]

Why are masks such a hot button political issue? It's such a minimal thing to do to slow spread.

Why should healthy or asymptomatic people be forced to wear a mask if they aren’t spreading the virus without a mask?

[DarrinS]

Awesome news. Between that and SARSCov2 not being able to be spread human to human, seems like pandemic is over amirite

Seems like this announcement was based on evidence, not just what China told them.

[DarrinS]

Why should healthy or asymptomatic people be forced to wear a mask if they aren’t spreading the virus without a mask?

And this

[clambake]

He knew in November.

[clambake]

Interesting that hospitalizations in wuhan and tongi were double from the year before in October

Interesting that frantic internet searches in China about symptoms skyrocketed in October and November


Yep, he knew in November

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znqyleC0eEE


Seems importantAll the qualifications and vague language add up to not saying much at all. What did you hear?

Pandemic over?

[spurraider21]

Why should healthy or asymptomatic people be forced to wear a mask if they aren’t spreading the virus without a mask?
his point is that its a minimal burden during an ongoing pandemic

[baseline bum]

All the qualifications and vague language add up to not saying much at all. What did you hear?

Pandemic over?

Yeah especially how she's defining asymptomatic. If I had a light headache I wouldn't consider that symptomatic and would probably think it was from high mold count or maybe I didn't drink enough fluids or something like that, but it sound like that would be considered symptomatic by her definition.

[baseline bum]

Why should healthy or asymptomatic people be forced to wear a mask if they aren’t spreading the virus without a mask?

If a business owner wants to force customers to wear masks to protect themselves and their employees I don't get the freakout from the right about having to adhere to it.

[ChumpDumper]

If a business owner wants to force customers to wear masks to protect themselves and their employees I don't get the freakout from the right about having to adhere to it.Right? They have to stay there the whole fucking shift. I can spend five minutes in the store with a mask. If you're there any longer, you're a woman.

[TSA]

If a business owner wants to force customers to wear masks to protect themselves and their employees I don't get the freakout from the right about having to adhere to it.

Protect them from what? According to WHO, healthy and asymptomatic people aren’t a threat to spread the virus to the business owners nor their employees.

[TSA]

his point is that its a minimal burden during an ongoing pandemic

With this new information it’s now pointless if you are not sick. If you are sick don’t go out in public, just like any other time you are sick.

[baseline bum]

Protect them from what? According to WHO, healthy and asymptomatic people aren’t a threat to spread the virus to the business owners nor their employees.

To quote my response to chump:

Yeah especially how she's defining asymptomatic. If I had a light headache I wouldn't consider that symptomatic and would probably think it was from high mold count or maybe I didn't drink enough fluids or something like that, but it sound like that would be considered symptomatic by her definition.

--------------------------------

And you guys are the ones saying bakers shouldn't have to make gay wedding cakes, but you get your panties in a bunch if a business owner wants to require masks?

[ChumpDumper]

Protect them from what? According to WHO, healthy and asymptomatic people aren’t a threat to spread the virus to the business owners nor their employees.She never said anything about not being a threat. She just said it was "rare" and what does that even mean?

[ChumpDumper]

With this new information it’s now pointless if you are not sick. If you are sick don’t go out in public, just like any other time you are sick.Or if you're pre-symptomatic with non-COVID symptoms, whatever the hell that means.

[DarrinS]

If a business owner wants to force customers to wear masks to protect themselves and their employees I don't get the freakout from the right about having to adhere to it.

I don't see anyone freaking out over it. I thought it was good news.

And, no, I don't think this means pandemic over.

[boutons_deux]

If your are infected, then the virus can keep multiplying, you're shedding virus on other people,

and then eventually, having shit on other people's lives, you get symptoms.

The people you infected may get very ill or die, but you're OK, so fuck everybody else.

Me First, and Me Only aka The Trash Ethic

Is there any part of social life where rightwingnutjobs have ANY humanity?

[baseline bum]

I don't see anyone freaking out over it. I thought it was good news.

And, no, I don't think this means pandemic over.

I'm numb to "good news" from one study after how much "good news" has turned out to not be true in this pandemic so far. And she has such a narrow definition of asymptomatic.

[TSA]

To quote my response to chump:

Yeah especially how she's defining asymptomatic. If I had a light headache I wouldn't consider that symptomatic and would probably think it was from high mold count or maybe I didn't drink enough fluids or something like that, but it sound like that would be considered symptomatic by her definition.

--------------------------------

And you guys are the ones saying bakers shouldn't have to make gay wedding cakes, but you get your panties in a bunch if a business owner wants to require masks?

I never said anything about bakers making gays a cake and I don’t care if a business requires a mask, I’m just trying to figure out what the point is anymore after this info from WHO.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm numb to "good news" from one study after how much "good news" has turned out to not be true in this pandemic so far. And she has such a narrow definition of asymptomatic.I also think the track record of areas that use the masks are just too good to ignore. Poor ass countries like Slovakia kicked our asses with their response.

[ChumpDumper]

I never said anything about bakers making gays a cake and I don’t care if a business requires a mask, I’m just trying to figure out what the point is anymore after this info from WHO.I'm not convinced you got past the title card of the video.

[clambake]

Interesting that hospitalizations in wuhan and tongi were double from the year before in October

Interesting that frantic internet searches in China about symptoms skyrocketed in October and November


Yep, he knee in November

You heard it here

[baseline bum]

I never said anything about bakers making gays a cake and I don’t care if a business requires a mask, I’m just trying to figure out what the point is anymore after this info from WHO.

You really want to believe that 113k are dead in the US because knowingly sick people decided fuck everyone else, I'm still going out in public, I don't give two fucks who gets my virus?

[Winehole23]

You really want to believe that 113k are dead in the US because knowingly sick people decided fuck everyone else, I'm still going out in public, I don't give two fucks who gets my virus?
Seems quite the reverse to me.

We hunkered down hard and bent the curve. Would have been a large multiple of today's tally had we done nothing.

[Winehole23]

So, cheers to everyone who hunkered down hard.

:bobo

[Winehole23]

As a random citzen, I am impressed by my fellow citizens in Austin everyday.

I don't think much of the government at any level, but am still impressed with the ability of people to pull together, in a million bajilion political and non-political ways everyday.

[vy65]

You really want to believe that 113k are dead in the US because knowingly sick people decided fuck everyone else, I'm still going out in public, I don't give two fucks who gets my virus?

Weren’t something like 40% of the dead from nursing homes though?

[baseline bum]

Weren’t something like 40% of the dead from nursing homes though?

Don't know the national figure, but that's pretty much what it has been with San Antonio.

[Winehole23]

Amarillo and Dallas are the places to watch in Texas right now.

[boutons_deux]

As a random citzen, I am impressed by my fellow citizens in Austin everyday.

I don't think much of the government at any level, but am still impressed with the ability of people to pull together, in a million bajilion political and non-political ways everyday.

I saw nobody in crowded HEB today w/o mask

NZ has declared victory, no new cases for many days.

N Zealanders' solidarity now giving them pride in their country and its social cohesion, united-ness against a mortal threat

whereas in USA ... :lol divided, polarized, non-cooperative, govt-hating as shit as the spread continues in ignorant fucking red states

[boutons_deux]

WHO’s new announcement about COVID-19 was a huge mistake

experts are saying was a gigantic mistake.

The announcement addressed this question:

Can people infected with COVID-19 who don’t display any symptoms still transmit the infection to others?

For months now, public health officials have said yes, and

this fact has driven many of the extreme measures countries across the world have taken in response.

But in a CNBC (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?__source=twitter%7Cmain) article :lol :lol of course, back to work!

published Monday reported WHO officials suggesting at a recent briefing in Geneva that

transmission from people without symptoms is “very rare.”

It seemed to suggest to some — erroneously, it’s now clear — that social distancing is not nearly as important as has been assumed.

A CNBC :lol :lol tweet about the story initially conveyed a much stronger message than even was WHO officials explicitly said, that

asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus. :lol

it seems WHO’s discussion of “asymptomatic” transmission of the virus

focuses on a narrow subset of people who never have symptoms, or have very mild symptoms.

The problem is it’s impossible, at first, to tell these people apart from the group that is pre-symptomatic — those that have been infected but have not yet developed symptoms.

And there’s extensive evidence to believe that these people can transmit the virus to others,

which explains why it can spread so easily.

People who haven’t experienced their symptoms yet are more likely to be out and about, allowing the virus to spread more widely.

“Asymptomatic persons seem to account for approximately 40% to 45% of SARS-CoV-2 infections, and

they can transmit the virus to others for an extended period, perhaps longer than 14 days.”

“We haven’t seen a lot of evidence of fully asymptomatic people transmitting to many others (though admittedly these tracing studies are hard to do).

Pre-symptomatic transmission, on the other hand, is why SARS-CoV-2 has been harder to control than SARS-CoV,”

“Abundant data now shows that

WHO’s new announcement, he said, “is going to mislead many people and is based on flawed evidence due to how it was collected.”

“an irresponsible statement even though it was based on legitimate observations.”

WHO, ... wasn’t recommending people change their behavior based off these findings.

the damage may already be done. :lol Thanks, CNBC

A small amount of misinformation can spread quickly,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/whos-new-announcement-about-covid-19-was-a-huge-mistake/

[boutons_deux]

Shutdowns prevented 60 million coronavirus infections in the United States

about 18% of the country’s population avoided a coronavirus infection as a result, likely reducing the death toll by six or seven figures.

early infection rates increased by 43 percent per day on average

both in the United States and in five other countries including China (https://www.salon.com/2020/05/11/after-weeks-of-calm-coronavirus-resurges-in-some-chinese-provinces/), France (https://www.salon.com/2020/05/27/france-bans-hydroxychloroquine-drug-touted-by-trump-to-treat-covid-19/), Iran (https://www.salon.com/2020/04/09/us-wages-economic-war-on-iran-during-pandemic-as-mainstream-media-looks-away_partner/), Italy (https://www.salon.com/2020/03/15/im-an-american-living-in-italy-as-the-coronavirus-took-hold-this-is-what-its-like-for-me/) and South Korea (https://www.politico.eu/article/whats-fueling-south-korea-coronavirus-covid19-success-and-relapse/).

“We find that the deployment of anti-contagion policies in all six countries significantly and substantially slowed the pandemic,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-united-states-report/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/shutdowns-prevented-60-million-coronavirus-infections-in-the-united-states-report/)

[ChumpDumper]

Come on, people. The US and it's leadership failed hard this time. There is no way around it. We're sitting here debating over the right to sneeze on the produce at Von's when fucking third world shitholes like Vietnam kicked our ass (again). We should be ashamed; the best we can do is a country is say "But did you die?" and lie about the people who did actually die.

[tholdren]

Come on, people. The US and it's leadership failed hard this time. There is no way around it. We're sitting here debating over the right to sneeze on the produce at Von's when fucking third world shitholes like Vietnam kicked our ass (again). We should be ashamed; the best we can do is a country is say "But did you die?" and lie about the people who did actually die.

Lol spain uk Brazil... you cant even do simple math

[ChumpDumper]

Lol spain uk Brazil... you cant even do simple mathYou have never posted any numbers or math. The US failed.

[tholdren]

You have never posted any numbers or math. The US failed.
Lol you dont even know what failed means. Lol gossip queen

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you dont even know what failed means. Lol gossip queenYou have failed to post any numbers.

[tholdren]

You have failed to post any numbers.

not true

[ChumpDumper]

not trueWhen's the last time you posted actual numbers when asked?

[clambake]

Come on, people. The US and it's leadership failed hard this time. There is no way around it. We're sitting here debating over the right to sneeze on the produce at Von's when fucking third world shitholes like Vietnam kicked our ass (again). We should be ashamed; the best we can do is a country is say "But did you die?" and lie about the people who did actually die.
Trump buried this in November. Killing over 130,000 Americans on American soil.

[Spurs Homer]

Come on, people. The US and it's leadership failed hard this time. There is no way around it. We're sitting here debating over the right to sneeze on the produce at Von's when fucking third world shitholes like Vietnam kicked our ass (again). We should be ashamed; the best we can do is a country is say "But did you die?" and lie about the people who did actually die.



fake news!
tds!
never-trumper!


111k is not as bad as 2 million!

[boutons_deux]

Trump buried this in November. Killing over 130,000 Americans on American soil.

easily 200K by 3 November

will the Dems pound this into people's heads for months? I bet not. Dems are wimps.

repeat 1000x the precise chronology of Trash's inactions and actions from Dec? Nov? 2019

[BSfromTX]

For those that still believe this is a threat and that people are at risk more so than in the past (before COVID19):

What have you seen personally that has convinced you so?

I'm just curious. I personally have not seen anything in real life that has convinced me yet. I am not trying to be antagonistic, but just trying to get an understanding of what you have seen or experienced outside of ANY media source that is real and direct.

I'm just asking and not being judgemental.

[DarrinS]

1270363467032277000

[tholdren]

For those that still believe this is a threat and that people are at risk more so than in the past (before COVID19):

What have you seen personally that has convinced you so?

I'm just curious. I personally have not seen anything in real life that has convinced me yet. I am not trying to be antagonistic, but just trying to get an understanding of what you have seen or experienced outside of ANY media source that is real and direct.

I'm just asking and not being judgemental.

News headlines every day. Case counts without testing counts. Hospitalizations without recoveries. Deaths without comorbidity information.

[boutons_deux]

For those that still believe this is a threat and that people are at risk more so than in the past (before COVID19):

What have you seen personally that has convinced you so?

I'm just curious. I personally have not seen anything in real life that has convinced me yet. I am not trying to be antagonistic, but just trying to get an understanding of what you have seen or experienced outside of ANY media source that is real and direct.

I'm just asking and not being judgemental.

50M Americans are in and just above poverty level. Have you seen them?

How are you supposed to see someone who has no symptoms? or someone with symptoms but staying home?

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19:

Straight Answers from Top Epidemiologist Who Predicted the Pandemic

This disease may be the biggest event of our lifetimes.



3 months ago, COVID-19 was not even in the top 75 causes of death in this country. Much of the last month, it was the #1 cause of death in this country. This is more remarkable than the 1918 Flu pandemic.
There is no scientific indication Covid-19 will disappear of its own accord.
If you’re under age 55, obesity is the #1 risk factor. So, eating the right diet, getting physical activity, and managing stress are some of the most important things you can do to protect yourself from the disease.
One of the best things we can do for our aging parents is to get them out into the fresh air, while maintaining physical (not social) distancing.
Wearing a cloth mask does not protect you much if you’re in close contact with someone who is COVID-19 contagious. It may give you 10 minutes, instead of five, to avoid contracting the disease.
We can expect COVID-19 to infect 60% – 70% of Americans. That’s around 200 million Americans.
We can expect between 800,000 and 1.6 million Americans to die in the next 18 months if we don’t have a successful vaccine.
There is no guarantee of an effective vaccination and even if we find one, it may only give short term protection.
Speeding a vaccination into production carries its own risks.
The darkest days are still ahead of us. We need moral leadership, the command leadership that doesn’t minimize what’s before us but allows everyone to see that we’re going to get through it.




https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR3dq6pB--GUBExM5ci1b58NRd7_fVYUUWPBoy62ACtP-OGD_SLlWgHXjsU (https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR3dq6pB--GUBExM5ci1b58NRd7_fVYUUWPBoy62ACtP-OGD_SLlWgHXjsU)

[BSfromTX]

50M Americans are in and just above poverty level. Have you seen them?

How are you supposed to see someone who has no symptoms? or someone with symptoms but staying home?


1. Yes I have seen and know tons of people in or just above poverty level. They make up a large portion of our population.

2. I just asked if anyone had direct experience with the disease. I'm taking that as a "no" from you?

[spurraider21]

1270363467032277000
seems relevant to TSA's concern about wearing masks

[TSA]

1270363467032277000

what a clusterfuck that organization is :lol

[boutons_deux]

2. I just asked if anyone had direct experience with the disease. I'm taking that as a "no" from you?

I don't know. Maybe I've passed someone in grocery who was infected but no symptoms, yet.

Like heart disease, C19 is an invisible, silent killer

[spurraider21]

what a clusterfuck that organization is :lol
and to think you were ready to stop wearing masks because of one quote from that clusterfuck organization :lol

[TSA]

and to think you were ready to stop wearing masks because of one quote from that clusterfuck organization :lol

The only place I wear a mask is when I'm at the grocery store as that is still a requirement in California, other than that I never really started.

[DarrinS]

and to think you were ready to stop wearing masks because of one quote from that clusterfuck organization :lol

Our own experts were telling us NOT to wear masks not that long ago. :lol

[DarrinS]

what a clusterfuck that organization is :lol

Yes, it is.

[ChumpDumper]

Our own experts were telling us NOT to wear masks not that long ago. :lol The government said so mainly because of the PPE shortage caused by the government.

[spurraider21]

The government said so mainly because of the PPE shortage caused by the government.
he knows this

[tholdren]

COVID-19:

Straight Answers from Top Epidemiologist Who Predicted the Pandemic

This disease may be the biggest event of our lifetimes.



3 months ago, COVID-19 was not even in the top 75 causes of death in this country. Much of the last month, it was the #1 cause of death in this country. This is more remarkable than the 1918 Flu pandemic.
There is no scientific indication Covid-19 will disappear of its own accord.
If you’re under age 55, obesity is the #1 risk factor. So, eating the right diet, getting physical activity, and managing stress are some of the most important things you can do to protect yourself from the disease.
One of the best things we can do for our aging parents is to get them out into the fresh air, while maintaining physical (not social) distancing.
Wearing a cloth mask does not protect you much if you’re in close contact with someone who is COVID-19 contagious. It may give you 10 minutes, instead of five, to avoid contracting the disease.
We can expect COVID-19 to infect 60% – 70% of Americans. That’s around 200 million Americans.
We can expect between 800,000 and 1.6 million Americans to die in the next 18 months if we don’t have a successful vaccine.
There is no guarantee of an effective vaccination and even if we find one, it may only give short term protection.
Speeding a vaccination into production carries its own risks.
The darkest days are still ahead of us. We need moral leadership, the command leadership that doesn’t minimize what’s before us but allows everyone to see that we’re going to get through it.




https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR3dq6pB--GUBExM5ci1b58NRd7_fVYUUWPBoy62ACtP-OGD_SLlWgHXjsU (https://www.bluezones.com/2020/06/covid-19-straight-answers-from-top-epidemiologist-who-predicted-the-pandemic/?fbclid=IwAR3dq6pB--GUBExM5ci1b58NRd7_fVYUUWPBoy62ACtP-OGD_SLlWgHXjsU)




In short he said what? If you're healthy you won't die?

[tholdren]

The government said so mainly because of the PPE shortage caused by the government.

Lol changing your story scary family gathering guy

[ChumpDumper]

Lol changing your story scary family gathering guyNope.

[tholdren]

Nope.
Oh yes you are. No where to hide now that you ha e access to the data and no math intelligence to do anything with it. You still mad about trump defending the WHO or do these scientists know whats going on? Lol at you

[hater]

what a clusterfuck that organization is :lol

Still better than CDC or American healthcare system :lmao

[hater]

Didnt US president suggest injectijg Lysol on americans? :lmao

:lol americans laughing at WHO when their leader suggested that :lmao

[DarrinS]

Still better than CDC or American healthcare system :lmao

I'm sure there's some truth to what the WHO doctor said. That's probably why children don't seem to be vectors for the disease. The problem is the ambiguity between pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic people.

[hater]

I'm sure there's some truth to what the WHO doctor said. That's probably why children don't seem to be vectors for the disease. The problem is the ambiguity between pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic people.

Agree

Also media ran away with that answer she gave which was no way a statement

I said already you need to use your brain and treat this like a bad flu a d pretend you are a sickly person who doesnt want it. Live like that and you should be fine and stop changing your tune at every WHO answer or pharmaceutical company press release

[ChumpDumper]

Oh yes you are. No where to hide now that you ha e access to the data and no math intelligence to do anything with it. You still mad about trump defending the WHO or do these scientists know whats going on? Lol at youdefending? lol you

[tholdren]

Agree

Also media ran away with that answer she gave which was no way a statement

I said already you need to use your brain and treat this like a bad flu a d pretend you are a sickly person who doesnt want it. Live like that and you should be fine and stop changing your tune at every WHO answer or pharmaceutical company press release
Pretty much this. The at risk demo has been known since January. Nothing has changed except then ifr went from 100 times the flu to 2. Be hygienic

[DarrinS]

The narrative about spikes in covid will be all about reopening, over a month ago. They probably won't mention the two weeks of protests, riots, etc.

[spurraider21]

The narrative about spikes in covid will be all about reopening, over a month ago. They probably won't mention the two weeks of protests, riots, etc.
i think they will mention the protesting

[Trill Clinton]

My mom's neighbor's caught the Rona. Wife is fine, but the husband is on a respirator and is in pretty bad shape. Apparently their teenage daughter contracted from her boyfriend's dad and brought it home to her parents. Sad.

[DMC]

i think they will mention the protesting

As a side note. Don't be naive.

[ChumpDumper]

i think they will mention the protestingYep.

[DarrinS]

i think they will mention the protesting


Yep.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_J0InVFN94

[pgardn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_J0InVFN94

Ole Bobby Buckalew.

Thats not his name.
Thats not his name.
Thats not his name.

-The Tink Tinks

https://abc13.com/covid-19-after-george-floyd-protests-texas-reopen-in-houston/6238157/

[DarrinS]

"Protests" mentioned once


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL6_kdO721U

[DarrinS]

Just forget the media's covid amnesia over the past two weeks.

[pgardn]

Just forget the media's covid amnesia over the past two weeks.

What are you reading and not looking very hard at?

[ChumpDumper]

Just forget the media's covid amnesia over the past two weeks.Are you purposely avoiding Fox and Sinclair?

[DarrinS]

Remember "muh freedums"?

[ChumpDumper]

Remember "muh freedums"?I remember your not criticizing those protesters at all.

[pgardn]

Remember "muh freedums"?

Yes I do.

TheGreatBloatedPlot told the people to revolt.
And it came to pass after grand openings and knee chokes.

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270538700926136323?s=20

Nancy virus inconvenient

[InRareForm]

https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-calls-emergency-plan-covid-010249888.html

[DarrinS]

https://news.yahoo.com/arizona-calls-emergency-plan-covid-010249888.html

It was the hair cuts

[ChumpDumper]

It was the hair cutsno the Antifa

[ElNono]

Didnt US president suggest injectijg Lysol on americans? :lmao

:lol americans laughing at WHO when their leader suggested that :lmao

:lol tbh

[boutons_deux]

California, Southwest face new coronavirus woes as U.S. economy reopens

Coronavirus cases and hospitalizations are spiking in parts of California and the U.S. Southwest,

prompting Arizona to reactivate its emergency plan for medical facilities and

California to place counties where half its population lives on a watch list.

complicates efforts to reopen the U.S. economy, which has been devastated by shelter-at-home rules.

“Many of the cases that are showing up in hospitals are linked to

gatherings that are taking place in homes - birthday parties and funerals,”

Arizona was among the first states to reopen in mid-May and its cases have increased 115% since then,

21 U.S. states reported weekly increases in new cases of COVID-19,

Arizona, Utah and New Mexico all posted rises of 40% or higher for the week ended Sunday,

Some of the new cases are linked to better testing. But

many stem from loosened public health restrictions

that have allowed people to gather in groups and go inside stores to shop,

Health officials believe other cases have been passed along by people not following social-distancing recommendations

The number of new infections in the first week of June

rose 3% in the United States, the first increase after five weeks of declines,

University of Washington researchers estimated on Monday that 145,728 people could die of COVID-19 in the United States by August,

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/california-southwest-face-new-coronavirus-woes-as-u-s-economy-reopens-idUSKBN23H0DM?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/california-southwest-face-new-coronavirus-woes-as-u-s-economy-reopens-idUSKBN23H0DM?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews)

so 145K dead by 31 July, 90 days before Trash is dumped,

200K on 3 Nov - 145K on 31 July =

55K dead / 90 days = 600 dead / day, easily done. Get to it, red/slave states. Capitalists are counting on you.

[boutons_deux]

Widespread facemask use could shrink the 'R' number and prevent a second COVID-19 wave

Population-wide use of facemasks keeps the coronavirus 'reproduction number' under 1.0, and

prevents further waves of the virus when combined with lockdowns,

lockdowns alone will not stop the resurgence of SARS-CoV-2, and

that even homemade masks with limited effectiveness can dramatically reduce transmission rates

if worn by enough people, regardless of whether they show symptoms.

"If widespread facemask use by the public is combined with physical distancing and some lockdown,

it may offer an acceptable way of managing the pandemic and

re-opening economic activity

long before there is a working vaccine."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-facebook-posts-fraternal-order-police-bad-cops_n_5ee02e98c5b66095792af7fc?ncid=newsltushpmgn ews

Cops booted from a police dept often land in a sheriff's dept

[CosmicCowboy]

There were more people with novel coronavirus in San Antonio hospitals Tuesday, but Metro Health officials said the system is still in good condition.

“We are reporting more cases,” said Mayor Ron Nirenberg at the first city-county briefing in five days. “Our data does, however, show a trend … that maintains a relative level of stability.”

Nirenberg said there were 107 people with the virus in hospitals, up from 96 Monday and 90 on Sunday, with 43 in intensive care and 24 on ventilators to help them breathe.

But Metro Health data show 31 percent of staffed hospital beds and 77 of ventilators remained available citywide, figures which show the system isn’t seriously stressed.

Nirenberg also reported there were 180 new cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday, pushing the total in Bexar County since the first case was reported March 13 to 3,513.

Two cases were reported from congregate settings, and one inmate at the Bexar County Jail tested positive. He said 160 cases are under investigation.

Two new deaths were reported Tuesday, the first deaths reported since June 3. Both people who died were Hispanic men in their 50s who were patients at Baptist hospitals. The death toll rose to 80.

“We knew we were going to get more cases when the economy opened back up,” Bexar County Judge Nelson Wolff said. “We just need to be careful like we’ve said time and time again with the mask and about social distancing.”

Nirenberg said the spike in cases was due to a backlog in testing at local and statewide labs, as well as the increase in business and social activity as the city has gradually reopened.

“We’ll continue to see an increase in cases as those activities increase, but we’re monitoring this progress indicator very closely,” Nirenberg said.

The city can conduct 3,960 tests per day, well above the city’s target of 3,000 daily tests.

Nirenberg said the city is looking to hire and train 175 contact tracers by September, a goal the city is “well on our way to meeting,” he said. So far, the city has brought on 110 contact tracers.

Messaging around how the virus is transmitted became muddled this week after officials with the World Health Organization suggested that transmission from asymptomatic carriers of the virus to other people was rare. A day later, the WHO walked the statement back, saying much is still unknown.

“We haven’t changed our position on asymptotic (transmission), which is that we don’t what the prevalence is in our community,” Metro Health Director Dawn Emerick said. “We’ll continue to proceed with that direction and those assumptions regardless of the WHO statement.”

[pgardn]

^

Messaging around how the virus is transmitted became muddled this week after officials with the World Health Organization suggested that transmission from asymptomatic carriers of the virus to other people was rare. A day later, the WHO walked the statement back, saying much is still unknown.

“We haven’t changed our position on asymptotic (transmission), which is that we don’t what the prevalence is in our community,” Metro Health Director Dawn Emerick said. “We’ll continue to proceed with that direction and those assumptions regardless of the WHO statement.

Would be very helpful in getting back to some sort of normality if the above turns out to be Correct.

[CosmicCowboy]

^

Messaging around how the virus is transmitted became muddled this week after officials with the World Health Organization suggested that transmission from asymptomatic carriers of the virus to other people was rare. A day later, the WHO walked the statement back, saying much is still unknown.

“We haven’t changed our position on asymptotic (transmission), which is that we don’t what the prevalence is in our community,” Metro Health Director Dawn Emerick said. “We’ll continue to proceed with that direction and those assumptions regardless of the WHO statement.

Would be very helpful in getting back to some sort of normality if the above turns out to be Correct.

There is a difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. With the presymptomatic they are still contagious before showing symptoms.

[lefty]

:lmao Musky Elon

1270622437374377985

[baseline bum]

There were more people with novel coronavirus in San Antonio hospitals Tuesday, but Metro Health officials said the system is still in good condition.

“We are reporting more cases,” said Mayor Ron Nirenberg at the first city-county briefing in five days. “Our data does, however, show a trend … that maintains a relative level of stability.”

Nirenberg said there were 107 people with the virus in hospitals, up from 96 Monday and 90 on Sunday, with 43 in intensive care and 24 on ventilators to help them breathe.

But Metro Health data show 31 percent of staffed hospital beds and 77 of ventilators remained available citywide, figures which show the system isn’t seriously stressed.

Nirenberg also reported there were 180 new cases of COVID-19 on Tuesday, pushing the total in Bexar County since the first case was reported March 13 to 3,513.

Two cases were reported from congregate settings, and one inmate at the Bexar County Jail tested positive. He said 160 cases are under investigation.

Two new deaths were reported Tuesday, the first deaths reported since June 3. Both people who died were Hispanic men in their 50s who were patients at Baptist hospitals. The death toll rose to 80.

“We knew we were going to get more cases when the economy opened back up,” Bexar County Judge Nelson Wolff said. “We just need to be careful like we’ve said time and time again with the mask and about social distancing.”

Nirenberg said the spike in cases was due to a backlog in testing at local and statewide labs, as well as the increase in business and social activity as the city has gradually reopened.

“We’ll continue to see an increase in cases as those activities increase, but we’re monitoring this progress indicator very closely,” Nirenberg said.

The city can conduct 3,960 tests per day, well above the city’s target of 3,000 daily tests.

Nirenberg said the city is looking to hire and train 175 contact tracers by September, a goal the city is “well on our way to meeting,” he said. So far, the city has brought on 110 contact tracers.

Messaging around how the virus is transmitted became muddled this week after officials with the World Health Organization suggested that transmission from asymptomatic carriers of the virus to other people was rare. A day later, the WHO walked the statement back, saying much is still unknown.

“We haven’t changed our position on asymptotic (transmission), which is that we don’t what the prevalence is in our community,” Metro Health Director Dawn Emerick said. “We’ll continue to proceed with that direction and those assumptions regardless of the WHO statement.”

So basically San Antonio, a city of 1.5 million (and metro of 2.6 million), has ~80 ventilators available in a pandemic and city officials are trying to call that stability? Seems like Italy-style death panels are a given once the virus takes hold here.

[hater]

:lmao Musky Elon

1270622437374377985

:lmao Melon Husk

[tholdren]

:lmao Melon Husk

Tesla’s main plant, said those affected included one from Tesla’s morning shift and another from its evening shift. The worker expressed concern over a perceived lack of caution on the production line

So 2 out of 10k?

[DarrinS]

i think they will mention the protesting


They are. I was wrong


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lKLv9SPpng

[spurraider21]

They are. I was wrong


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lKLv9SPpng
:tu
DMC was totally right though, it was just in passing and therefore i was being naive

[TSA]

They are. I was wrong


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lKLv9SPpng

Dr. Birx Says George Floyd Protests Have Resulted in the Destruction of 70 Covid-19 Testing Sites

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/dr-birx-says-george-floyd-protests-have-resulted-in-the-destruction-of-70-covid-19-testing-sites/

[SnakeBoy]

There is a difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. With the presymptomatic they are still contagious before showing symptoms.

This makes no sense at all

[pgardn]

There is a difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. With the presymptomatic they are still contagious before showing symptoms.

No the below is what was suggested by some groups that contribute to WHO.

Symptomatic people, people with specific symptoms, ARE much more likely to shed transmissible virus while people without specific symptoms are not.
If this is true, its very important in isolating the right people at the right times. And some of these groups are still sticking to their comments OUTSIDE of the WHO umbrella. We can all hope they turn out to be correct.

[tholdren]

No the below is what was suggested by some groups that contribute to WHO.

Symptomatic people, people with specific symptoms, ARE much more likely to shed transmissible virus while people without specific symptoms are not.
If this is true, its very important in isolating the right people at the right times. And some of these groups are still sticking to their comments OUTSIDE of the WHO umbrella. We can all hope they turn out to be correct.
Yep you were wrong.

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus infections in younger people are skyrocketing — here’s why

“that younger people have come to make up an increasing percentage of cases [in Oregon] as the pandemic has persisted.

Those under the age of 40 now make up 40% of new COVID cases.”

In Orange County, Florida (https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/coronavirus/2020/06/09/doh-covid-19-cases-on-the-rise-in-orange-county-median-age-drops) — where the Florida Department of Health has said coronavirus cases are on the rise — the median age for a patient has dropped from 37 years old to 35 years old.

Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino told a local news affiliate that “half of all cases in the last 14 days [have] been in people between 20 and 40 years old — so the pandemic is going a lot younger.”

North Dakota has an even more surprising statistic (https://www.wahpetondailynews.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-cases-remain-high-among-nd-young-adults/article_94edf918-a9d5-11ea-825c-976a9cf2f1c2.html): the number of total COVID-19 cases in that state is highest among people between the ages of 20 years old and 40 years old.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/coronavirus-infections-in-younger-people-are-skyrocketing-heres-why/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4752

[slick'81]

So basically San Antonio, a city of 1.5 million (and metro of 2.6 million), has ~80 ventilators available in a pandemic and city officials are trying to call that stability? Seems like Italy-style death panels are a given once the virus takes hold here.


Feel like baseline has accepted we are all gonna die and is embracing it. Meanwhile shit is blowing up in arizona. We are all fucked


glad canada is doing very well. Keep those borders closed trudeau

[tholdren]

Feel like baseline has accepted we are all gonna die and is embracing it. Meanwhile shit is blowing up in arizona. We are all fucked


glad canada is doing very well. Keep those borders closed trudeau

What exactly is blowing up?

[pgardn]

There is a difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. With the presymptomatic they are still contagious before showing symptoms.

These terms mean different things to different authors which is what one would expect with something so new. Arstechnica has written about this.

And...to give latest updates:

Big backlash by the asymptomatic/presymptomatic (using together because of the clarity issues) researchers who say it is not even in question that asymptomatic/presymptomatic people can be transmitting. I usually give links to these things but it’s pretty apparent they are not read.

Welcome to the world of science on a new virus. This is where many of us understand the press does a very poor job with diets and the right food. The immediately jump on one study because it can be startling and get read... dirt is good to eat!

[pgardn]

Yep you were wrong.

What was I wrong about?
I said we don’t know,
something you really need to try especially when you fake understanding science which you think deals only with graphs and then proceed to post bad graphs.

[DMC]

Next narrative seed from the far left: Health officials approved of the riots/protests because COVID affects blacks disproportionately, so blacks will be decimated by the virus after ignoring safety guidelines.

[tholdren]

What was I wrong about?
I said we don’t know,
something you really need to try especially when you fake understanding science which you think deals only with graphs and then proceed to post bad graphs.

Nope. You were wrong. Now you are backtracking to say you don't know. You are failing at this.

[tholdren]

These terms mean different things to different authors which is what one would expect with something so new. Arstechnica has written about this.

And...to give latest updates:

Big backlash by the asymptomatic/presymptomatic (using together because of the clarity issues) researchers who say it is not even in question that asymptomatic/presymptomatic people can be transmitting. I usually give links to these things but it’s pretty apparent they are not read.

Welcome to the world of science on a new virus. This is where many of us understand the press does a very poor job with diets and the right food. The immediately jump on one study because it can be startling and get read... dirt is good to eat!

Lol you were wrong.

[DarrinS]

IHME model for Texas now has uptick in deaths starting around September. Wtf?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas


Same for Florida.

[tholdren]

IHME model for Texas now has uptick in deaths starting around September. Wtf?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas


Same for Florida.
Lol ihme trying to get back in the game.

[hater]

I already called wave 2 will.come in fall and will make wave 1 look like a picnic at the Ozarks


U nigas better be stockinv up on toilet paper and shit

Dont say u were not warned

Called it :tu

[SnakeBoy]

IHME model for Texas now has uptick in deaths starting around September. Wtf?

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/texas


Same for Florida.

I'm past the point of thinking wtf. Political wishcasting has replaced science.

[boutons_deux]

stock market -900 on fears of pandemic persisting, and economy staying tanked and 35M+ unemployed

[tholdren]

I already called wave 2 will.come in fall and will make wave 1 look like a picnic at the Ozarks


U nigas better be stockinv up on toilet paper and shit

Dont say u were not warned

Called it :tu
Lol this is like predicting the flu will be back next year. In before you call it.

[tholdren]

Daily pos pct. Down to 4.6
Daily testing still trending up
Daily deaths still trending down.

[hater]

Lol this is like predicting the flu will be back next year. In before you call it.

I already called this back in February n8ga

I said start preparing for wave 2

I already have endless supllies of n95 masks, toilet paper and tons and tons of food

Bought a large freezer and its full of meat probably 6 months supply

Im ready for this winter :lol

[tholdren]

I already called this back in February n8ga

I said start preparing for wave 2

I already have endless supllies of n95 masks, toilet paper and tons and tons of food

Bought a large freezer and its full of meat probably 6 months supply

Im ready for this winter :lol

will earth still be here after the second wave?

[boutons_deux]

These people have been sick with coronavirus for more than 60 days.

Doctors aren’t sure why.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/oE8GNNdMx-AVAbqzB4k7vXaBdYI=/1450x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/WNS6KHVGB4I6VCMOWINZVA7XSI.jpg

Melanie Montano, 32,

developed a fever, cough, stomach problems, and lost her sense of taste and smell like other coronavirus sufferers.

Unlike most of them, though,

her symptoms never went away.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/11/coronavirus-chronic/?arc404=true&utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/11/coronavirus-chronic/?arc404=true&utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most)

[hater]

will earth still be here after the second wave?

Yes and better than ever. M9ther earth is cleansing herself from the human parasite

[TSA]

Regeneron begins clinical trials of potential coronavirus antibody treatment

https://thehill.com/homenews/coronavirus-report/502233-regeneron-begins-clinical-trials-of-potential-coronavirus?amp&__twitter_impression=true

[tholdren]

Az making patients test covid before elective surgery. Smart. But, if added into new case count or new hospitalization = data fraud

[pgardn]

Lol you were wrong.

I have been wrong about plenty of things.
Please supply the post where I was wrong about this virus so I might explain how I was wrong.
Especially since I know you wont have a clue and want to play without specifics.
And you are really poor at it.

[tholdren]

I have been wrong about plenty of things.
Please supply the post where I was wrong about this virus so I might explain how I was wrong.
Especially since I know you wont have a clue and want to play without specifics.
And you are really poor at it.
Too many to post

[pgardn]

Too many to post

Why do I feel like I have a small especially stupid fly in my house?

(softball served up; wait for the whiff)

[tholdren]

Why do I feel like I have a small especially stupid fly in my house?

(softball served up; wait for the whiff)

You play softball. Figures.

[pgardn]

You play softball. Figures.

Good Lord...

You are out.
Go sit on the bench and continue spitting... if you cant hit that, you dont deserve to play.

[tholdren]

Good Lord...

You are out.
Go sit on the bench and continue spitting... if you cant hit that, you dont deserve to play.

lol softball and you dont have math skills

[pgardn]

lol softball and you dont have math skills

So you have math skills?
do you wish to exhibit them for the board?
Careful...

this will end with another tap out...

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus task force engaged in

critical search for a scapegoat for Trump's failures

just weeks after restrictions began to be removed,

more than 20 states are showing the predictable results:

a spike in COVID-19 cases,

limited remaining hospital beds, and

fresh concerns over everything from protective gear to respirators.

Trump has already made it clear that he’s not backing any attempts to slow or roll back reopening.

Trump is blaming new cases of COVID-19 on Mexico.

The idea that cases imported from Mexico might be contributing significantly to the American total seems not just ridiculous,

but determinedly xenophobic—especially considering that

most early cases in Mexico could be directly connected to people coming from the United States.

the strategy decision to blame Mexico was “discussed at some length during a meeting of the administration's coronavirus task force.”

this new theory is getting introduced just in time for Trump to mention it at his Juneteenth travesty in Tulsa.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgxwHNqFkvSPtwlPxdFNSNBGNKmpr

[tholdren]

So you have math skills?
do you wish to exhibit them for the board?
Careful...

this will end with another tap out...

Lol you use case counts

[boutons_deux]

Ohio Republican and ER doctor asks if hand-washing explains COVID-19 rates in 'colored population'

https://images.dailykos.com/images/816943/story_image/Stephen-Huffman?1591882942

he didn’t understand why there was a disproportionally higher percentage of total COVID-19 cases (https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200412/coronavirus-in-ohio-hitting-african-americans-hardest) among Black Ohioans as well.

“We know it’s twice as often, correct?

Could it just be that African Americans—the colored population—do not wash their hands as well as other groups?

Or wear a mask?

Or do not socially distance themselves?

Could that just be maybe the explanation of why there’s a higher incidence?”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/11/1952318/-Ohio-Republican-and-ER-doctor-asks-if-hand-washing-explains-COVID-19-rates-in-colored-population?detail=emaildkre

Repugs, The Party of Racists

[pgardn]

Lol you use case counts

no tap out necessary

The challenger suffers a brain injury.

[tholdren]

no tap out necessary

The challenger suffers a brain injury.
Sorry tell us more about the daily cases. Lol

[pgardn]

Sorry tell us more about the daily cases. Lol

The daily cases where?
They vary greatly state to state, county to county, city to city as does testing.
You go ahead and keep trying to push over counting.

You still are confused that different localities may require very different stategies.
The fact you dont trust any strategy to prevent spread automatically eliminates you from any salient discussion.
Go sit down, Im tired of slapping your ignorant face.

[tholdren]

The daily cases where?
They vary greatly state to state, county to county, city to city as does testing.
You go ahead and keep trying to push over counting.

You still are confused that different localities may require very different stategies.
The fact you dont trust any strategy to prevent spread automatically eliminates you from any salient discussion.
Go sit down, Im tired of slapping your ignorant face.

lolol you

[ElNono]

Coronavirus survivor gets whopping $1.1 million hospital bill

A 70-year-old Seattle man who nearly died from the coronavirus got hit with another shock after he recovered: a $1.1 million hospital bill.

Michael Flor was so sick from COVID-19 that his wife and kids called him to say good-bye.

But he managed to pull through while being treated at Swedish Medical Center in Issaquah, the Seattle Times reported.

Then he got the sky-high bill for his care.

“I opened it and said ‘holy [bleep]!’“ Flor told the paper.

The invoice, totaling an eye-popping $1,122,501.04, ran 181 pages, including $9,736 for his room in the intensive care unit, plus an extra $408,912 because the space had to be sealed off and staff needed to wear full protective gear.

Many of the charges were for the drugs that kept him alive.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/seattle-coronavirus-survivor-gets-1-1-million-hospital-bill/


:lmao American healthcare system

[ElNono]

lolol you

that's telling him

[boutons_deux]

The Virus Will Win

Americans are pretending that the pandemic is over. It certainly is not.

Asecond wave of the coronavirus is on the way. When it arrives, we will lack the will to deal with it.

Despite all the sacrifices of the past months,

the virus is likely to win—

or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it already has.

In absolute terms, the United States has been hit harder than any other country.

About a quarter of worldwide deaths have been recorded on these shores.

And while the virus is no longer growing at an exponential rate, the threat it poses remains significant:

According to a forecasting model by Morgan Stanley,

the number of American cases will, if current trends hold, roughly double over the next two months.

So was the reason to hope that some magic bullet might rescue us from the worst ravages of the disease.

At this point, such hopes look unrealistic.

After months of intense research, an effective treatment for COVID-19 still does not exist.

A vaccine is, even if we get lucky, many months away from deployment.

nearly nine out of 10 Republicans trusted “the information you hear about coronavirus from medical experts” back in April.

Now just about one in three does.

Thanks to the effort of millions of people, we were close to a great success story.

But because of the failures

of Trump and Chauvin,

of the CDC and the WHO,

of public-health experts and

Fox News hosts,

we are, instead, likely to give up—and tolerate that hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens will die needless deaths.

Pandemics reveal the true state of a society.

Ours has come up badly wanting.
(https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/virus-will-win/612946/)
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/virus-will-win/612946/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/virus-will-win/612946/)

USA is getting about 21K news cases per day,

625K new cases/month,

3M new cases by Nov 3.

90K more dead, 200K dead, by Nov3

"If I lose, I'll just do something else"

[tholdren]

The Virus Will Win

Americans are pretending that the pandemic is over. It certainly is not.

Asecond wave of the coronavirus is on the way. When it arrives, we will lack the will to deal with it.

Despite all the sacrifices of the past months,

the virus is likely to win—

or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it already has.
In absolute terms, the United States has been hit harder than any other country.

About a quarter of worldwide deaths have been recorded on these shores.

And while the virus is no longer growing at an exponential rate, the threat it poses remains significant:

According to a forecasting model by Morgan Stanley,

the number of American cases will, if current trends hold, roughly double over the next two months.

So was the reason to hope that some magic bullet might rescue us from the worst ravages of the disease.

At this point, such hopes look unrealistic.

After months of intense research, an effective treatment for COVID-19 still does not exist.

A vaccine is, even if we get lucky, many months away from deployment.

nearly nine out of 10 Republicans trusted “the information you hear about coronavirus from medical experts” back in April.

Now just about one in three does.

Thanks to the effort of millions of people, we were close to a great success story.

But because of the failures of Trump and Chauvin,

of the CDC and the WHO,

of public-health experts and

Fox News hosts,

we are, instead, likely to give up—and tolerate that hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens will die needless deaths.
Pandemics reveal the true state of a society.

Ours has come up badly wanting.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/virus-will-win/612946/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/virus-will-win/612946/)

USA is getting about 21K news cases per day,

625K new cases/month,

3M new cases by Nov 3.

90K more dead, 200K dead, by Nov3

"If I lose, I'll just do something else"


Increased testing will increase likelihood of cases but that doesn't mean the virus is spreading. The virus will win? What does that even mean? Death attributed to virus has already converged with all excess deaths disproving the undercounting and saving lives theory of lockdown. Combine with economic fallout from lockdown, the response to this disease, thanks to the comparison to the spanish flu and media hype, will go down as one of the worst medical responses in history

[tholdren]

that's telling him

What he said was ignorant. I have already stated numerous times that every state and country counts in different, unreliable, and not valid ways. He, like you, doesn't understand how to use the data even when it is available to you. I states before the lockdown hygienic people and space were the strategy and if you weren't 70 with a preexisting condition you would be fine, just like the flu

[pgardn]

lolol you

tap out

Choke hold 1 minute before the event.
A new record.
Math whiz leaves the room in a stretcher.

[pgardn]

What he said was ignorant. I have already stated numerous times that every state and country counts in different, unreliable, and not valid ways.

So the fck what?
You tap out anytime we get into details.

[tholdren]

tap out

Choke hold 1 minute before the event.
A new record.
Math whiz leaves the room in a stretcher.
Sorry you dont know hownto do simple math. Tell me more about covid.

[tholdren]

So the fck what?
You tap out anytime we get into details.
Lol meltdown. The facts are the data. I post it. You cant do math. Lolllolol

[pgardn]

Sorry you dont know hownto do simple math. Tell me more about covid.

Looks like a vaccine could be easy to make.
Has all the molecular characteristics of one we can handle.
Discuss.

You want to put up the same graph you did before that was mislabeled therefore the slope had absolutely no meaning?

Tap out incoming...

[tholdren]

Looks like a vaccine could be easy to make.
Has all the molecular characteristics of one we can handle.
Discuss.

You want to put up the same graph you did before that was mislabeled therefore the slope had absolutely no meaning?

Tap out incoming...

Not sure what you are referring to. Don't care about Vax care about your ignorance and not understanding data. Current real data.

[tholdren]

14 day down trend in New hospitalizations in AZ

[boutons_deux]

Looks like a vaccine could be easy to make.
Has all the molecular characteristics of one we can handle.
Discuss.

You want to put up the same graph you did before that was mislabeled therefore the slope had absolutely no meaning?

Tap out incoming...

35 years later, then is no vaccine for AIDS virus

MERS and SARS are corona viruses close to vaccine availability but still lots of testing to go, MANY years after they emerged.

Treatment of C19 is more immediately required, while the hunt for vaccine continues

[pgardn]

Not sure what you are referring to. Don't care about Vax care about your ignorance and not understanding data. Current real data.

You dont understand data or graphs.
You also dont understand that the gathering of both involves mistakes that we can use math on to try to calculate error.
YOu dont understand anything having to do with science and the gathering of data, you have proved it.

[pgardn]

35 years later, then is no vaccine for AIDS virus

MERS and SARS are corona viruses close to vaccine availability but still lots of testing to go, MANY years after they emerged.

Treatment of C19 is more immediately required, while the hunt for vaccine continues

There are qualities the proteins have that could make a vaccine much easier than the other corona viruses.

[tholdren]

You dont understand data or graphs.
You also dont understand that the gathering of both involves mistakes that we can use math on to try to calculate error.
YOu dont understand anything having to do with science and the gathering of data, you have proved it.

Already proved you wrong every time you post. Trending down for weeks in the usa. Lockdowns proven to be ineffective.

[pgardn]

Already proved you wrong every time you post. Trending down for weeks in the usa. Lockdowns proven to be ineffective.

You have been wrong time after time.
You have an incredible streak going.
I not only prove you wrong, when I put you to task you tap out like a vegetable without a thought.

[tholdren]

You have been wrong time after time.
You have an incredible streak going.

Usa has been trending down for weeks. All that needs to be said really. Trending down.

[pgardn]

Usa has been trending down for weeks. All that needs to be said really. Trending down.

You had stated the Southern States that saw an uptick would go down.
You have been very wrong.
You also stated that deaths associated the virus would never reach 50,000, this was a huge error.

[tholdren]

You had stated the Southern States that saw an uptick would go down.
You have been very wrong.

they have.

[pgardn]

they have.

Yes they showed an uptick when you said they would not.
You were wrong.

[pgardn]

You also said the virus was a DNA virus which was incredibly wrong.

[tholdren]

Yes they showed an uptick when you said they would not.
You were wrong.

Doesn't matter the trend is down.

[ChumpDumper]

You also said the virus was a DNA virus which was incredibly wrong.Come on. He started off saying it's the flu. That was his high point.

[pgardn]

Then you stated the virus had no outer coat, you were wrong again.
You have constantly been wrong.

[tholdren]

You also said the virus was a DNA virus which was incredibly wrong.
I never commented on that. Only the numbers.

[pgardn]

Come on. He started off saying it's the flu. That was his high point.

Oh this is just the start of the wrongness factor.

[pgardn]

I never commented on that. Only the numbers.

Thats not true.

[tholdren]

Then you stated the virus had no outer coat, you were wrong again.
You have constantly been wrong.

nope you're wrong again. This is too easy. Tell me more about daily cases

[tholdren]

Thats not true.
You sad because you're wrong about the math you dont know how to use?

[pgardn]

You sad because you're wrong about the math you dont know how to use?

Lets do some math.
You ready?

You have lied and have been wrong multiply times.

[tholdren]

Lets do some math.
You ready?

You have lied and have been wrong multiply times.

I have been correct every time. The math would say 100 percent

[pgardn]

I have been correct every time. The math would say 100 percent

You have lied and been wrong multiple times.

[tholdren]

You have lied and been wrong multiple times.

Nope. Have not lied. But have been right every time. Every time

[pgardn]

Nope. Have not lied. But have been right every time. Every time
Nope you lied multiply times and thought this was a DNA virus and then called it a flu virus which is an RNA virus.
You cant be trusted.

[pgardn]

You have already been challenged and you ran away and lied.
You have no clue how to do math.

Do you think the way you argue is accurate and honest?

[tholdren]

Nope you lied multiply times and thought this was a DNA virus and then called it a flu virus which is an RNA virus.
You cant be trusted.

No I said it was twice as deadly as flu. Cdc proved me correct with their ifr.
So I'm right again. And you're wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

No I said it was twice as deadly as flu. Cdc proved me correct with their ifr.
So I'm right again. And you're wrong.:lol You said it IS the flu.

Cardiovascular disease, gun violence and automobiles all kill more than the coronavirus... yet here you are. Scared of the flu.
You were wrong.

[pgardn]

No I said it was twice as deadly as flu. Cdc proved me correct with their ifr.
So I'm right again. And you're wrong.

Nope.
Now you are lying and wrong.

[TimDunkem]

:lol You said it IS the flu.

You were wrong.
Welp, that seals it. tholdren thinks coronviruses/covid-19 = influenza

[tholdren]

:lol You said it IS the flu.

You were wrong.

no, am actually correct. All.those things kill more than the flu and coronavirus. You lost again....

[tholdren]

Welp, that seals it. tholdren thinks coronviruses/covid-19 = influenza

didn't you have a meltdown last week because of all your symptoms.... and here you are. Who woulda thought?

[ChumpDumper]

no, am actually correct. All.those things kill more than the flu and coronavirus. You lost again....:lol denial isn't science.

You called it the flu.

Wrong.

[tholdren]

didn't you have a meltdown last week because of all your symptoms.... and here you are. Who woulda thought?

[tholdren]

:lol denial isn't science.

You called it the flu.

Wrong.
I've consistently stated it is less than the flu to the vast majority. I am right. Cdc even says I am correct. 2x flu. Lol you shipman

[ChumpDumper]

I've consistently stated it is less than the flu to the vast majority.:lmao we've quoted you calling it the flu.

You're wrong. You've been wrong from the very start.

[pgardn]

I've consistently stated it is less than the flu to the vast majority. I am right. Cdc even says I am correct. 2x flu. Lol you shipman

You have lied and have beenwrong about numbers, graphs, the biology of the virus, the epidemiology of the virus.
You should not and are not trusted on this site.

[TimDunkem]

You have lied and have beenwrong about numbers, graphs, the biology of the virus, the epidemiology of the virus.
You should not and are not trusted on this site.

[tholdren]

trending down for weeks and this is the best you got. Lol... three alts?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol tholdren says it's the flu right off the bat and cries out for his lies to be accepted.

[TimDunkem]

:lol tholdren says it's the flu right off the bat and cries out for his lies to be accepted.

:lol Sad.