Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NanHayworth/status/1241747937392295936?s=20

[phxspurfan]

Spain went back up to third most in the list, displacing US for now. Germany seems to be getting a lot of cases reported as well. Wouldn’t be surprised if they also fly by us.

We’re gonna hit the brakes and they’re gonna fly right by

[phxspurfan]

https://twitter.com/NanHayworth/status/1241747937392295936?s=20

Ah, the ol’ Z-Pack.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NanHayworth/status/1241747937392295936?s=20

At the very least try to not get sick before these things get tested on others.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/AnanyaS1190/status/1241590500571910144?s=20

[SnakeBoy]

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

We never even met up for a kiss.

I didn't mention on here but I was ill last week. Just abdominal pain, chills, no real fever 99.5 a couple of times but then right back to normal temp. Ended up passing out Saturday morning and went to the ER. Wife thought I might have diverticulitis. Chest xray, abdominal ct, labs revealed not much. Slighty elevated wbc & CT showed inflammation in intestinal track. They called it colitis and sent me home with flagyl & cipro. Never got any respiratory problems. Still feel "off" but almost back to normal. I had something viral I'm sure.

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/AnanyaS1190/status/1241590500571910144?s=20

Nice. New York is my main concern, as I think we'll be fine in CA, Texas, and Florida for reasons I stated, but I want our states to flatten as much as possible, so then maybe we can aid NY in the coming weeks. New York city is just the perfect breeding ground.

[baseline bum]

We never even met up for a kiss.

I didn't mention on here but I was ill last week. Just abdominal pain, chills, no real fever 99.5 a couple of times but then right back to normal temp. Ended up passing out Saturday morning and went to the ER. Wife thought I might have diverticulitis. Chest xray, abdominal ct, labs revealed not much. Slighty elevated wbc & CT showed inflammation in intestinal track. They called it colitis and sent me home with flagyl & cipro. Never got any respiratory problems. Still feel "off" but almost back to normal. I had something viral I'm sure.

We can still meet up. Should I bring a condom?

My abdominal pain was horrendous yesterday, but under control yet still there today, especially when I get near the end of the 8 hours in between 1000mg of acetomenophin I take 3x day. I got up to 100.8 yesterday but have stayed below 100 today. Don't feel there's much chance I'll need to go to the ER today at least.

So do you have to be in really bad shape to get a Corona test still?

[SnakeBoy]

We can still meet up. Should I bring a condom?

My abdominal pain was horrendous yesterday, but under control yet still there today, especially when I get near the end of the 8 hours in between 1000mg of acetomenophin I take 3x day. I got up to 100.8 yesterday but have stayed below 100 today. Don't feel there's much chance I'll need to go to the ER today at least.

So do you have to be in really bad shape to get a Corona test still?

Testing still limited to respiratory symptoms/high fever as far as I know.

I took vitamin c (2000mg @x per day)
Plenty of nicotine via Copenhagen Long Cut lol. * Spit don't swallow

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/NanHayworth/status/1241747937392295936?s=20

Bad news for MSM. Trump stated this was coming 2 days ago & was called everything but a white man for that statement.

[hater]

Rand Paul :( RIP

Italy with another record 658 deaths :( RIP

[hater]

Bad news for MSM. Trump stated this was coming 2 days ago & was called everything but a white man for that statement.

Dear Dr Facci burst the Orange Mans balloon when he said theres not gonna be no miracle drug for this

sorry dude, Orange man is out of his league on this one

[Thread]

Nice. New York is my main concern, as I think we'll be fine in CA, Texas, and Florida for reasons I stated, but I want our states to flatten as much as possible, so then maybe we can aid NY in the coming weeks. New York city is just the perfect breeding ground.

Well, everything was fine yesterday (Saturday). What a difference a day makes...DNC sent word ahead to get political in the sweet by&by of less than the 400 dead count. Now brother of Fredo is beating the old man about the head & shoulders, ordering him to order industry that built cars yesterday to build face masks & hospital gowns today. These industries already volunteered &&& agreed to the President's request to make the change, but, stated they'll need more than a day to switch over from cars to gowns.

[Thread]

Dear Dr Facci burst the Orange Mans balloon when he said theres not gonna be no miracle drug for this

sorry dude, Orange man is out of his league on this one

There is nothing wrong with searching nonetheless. "It might work, it might not. What do we have to lose?" - the old man.

23k+ dead of regular flu so far this year.
less than 400 dead of Corona.

[picnroll]

Bad news for MSM. Trump stated this was coming 2 days ago & was called everything but a white man for that statement.

Gee, you think maybe Trump gets briefed on this stuff and then in a very, unscientific way blurts it out so he can look smart, which of course he’s far from, and then lay claim like the whole thing was his idea. Never been another shithead POTUS like Trump. If it fails of course not a peep from Trash, never happened.

[CosmicCowboy]

We can still meet up. Should I bring a condom?

My abdominal pain was horrendous yesterday, but under control yet still there today, especially when I get near the end of the 8 hours in between 1000mg of acetomenophin I take 3x day. I got up to 100.8 yesterday but have stayed below 100 today. Don't feel there's much chance I'll need to go to the ER today at least.

So do you have to be in really bad shape to get a Corona test still?

California has basically quit testing.

[Thread]

Gee, you think maybe Trump gives briefed on this stuff and then in a very, unscientific way blurts it out so he can look smart, which of course he’s far from, and then lay claim like the whole thing was his idea. Never been another shithead POTUS like Trump. If it fails of course not a peep from Trash, never happened.

...no, but, that's what you want to brand his behavior as, picky.

You want Him to pull a Robert Stack from "Airplane"..."Ah shit, he doesn't stand a goddamn chance!"

[Thread]

California has basically quit testing.

Because (THEY) want to pick & choose which Americans shall be tested. Americans want to pick & choose.

[GAustex]

We can still meet up. Should I bring a condom?

My abdominal pain was horrendous yesterday, but under control yet still there today, especially when I get near the end of the 8 hours in between 1000mg of acetomenophin I take 3x day. I got up to 100.8 yesterday but have stayed below 100 today. Don't feel there's much chance I'll need to go to the ER today at least.

So do you have to be in really bad shape to get a Corona test still?

2/19/2020 to 2/23/2020 I was hospitalized for the exact same symptoms. 101.5 fever; 70 over 55 BP and 130 heart rate got me a trip to the hospital. Prior I had taken a flight from Austin to Florida to see my mum who had compilations for kidney stone removal and strangely got an infection that damn near killed her. I got mine on the plane or when I visited my mum in the hospital.
As for me severe abdominal pain and no lung issues. They blasted me with antibiotics and fluids. I will spare everyone the details of my bowel movements except it was not pretty. The doctor called it diverticulitis which I have had before and this did not seem at all like previous episode.
After they release me and I got home my local doc hit me again with a 10 day antibiotic. One month later and I am just now starting to feel normal.
I think I had covid19 and if not it was something but it was not
diverticulitis.

Mum recovered too: she is tough as nails for 85 year old

[CosmicCowboy]

Rand Paul :( RIP

Italy with another record 658 deaths :( RIP

Northern Italy dropped the age limit for respirators again. Over 60 doesnt get it. Making special arrangements for family to see them before they die.

[picnroll]

...no, but, that's what you want to brand his behavior as, picky.

You want Him to pull a Robert Stack from "Airplane"..."Ah shit, he doesn't stand a goddamn chance!"

I want him to do what he does best, go to Lago del Mar and golf. He should be able to get a great tee time. Leave the science and medicine to people who have an IQ above room temperature. This doesn’t work and you just have a “leader” floundering around losing the public’s confidence, not that he has much. From a medical, science perspective this guy is a complete jackass. He’s the “I just got a good gut feeling. I’m a natural at this” guy.

[Thread]

I want him to do what he does best, go to Lago del Mar and golf. He should be able to get a great tee time. Leave the science and medicine to people who have an IQ above foom temperature. This doesn’t work and you just have a “leader” floundering around losing the public’s confidence, not that he has much. From a medical, science perspective this guy is a complete jackass.

Fauci lied,,,shit all over the combo drug that is now being rolled out in New York. Hell, Cuomo rolled it out first, the old man pimped it & Fauci dismissed it out-of-hand. Now it's here.

[baseline bum]

2/19/2020 to 2/23/2020 I was hospitalized for the exact same symptoms. 101.5 fever; 70 over 55 BP and 130 heart rate got me a trip to the hospital. Prior I had taken a flight from Austin to Florida to see my mum who had compilations for kidney stone removal and strangely got an infection that damn near killed her. I got mine on the plane or when I visited my mum in the hospital.
As for me severe abdominal pain and no lung issues. They blasted me with antibiotics and fluids. I will spare everyone the details of my bowel movements except it was not pretty. The doctor called it diverticulitis which I have had before and this did not seem at all like previous episode.
After they release me and I got home my local doc hit me again with a 10 day antibiotic. One month later and I am just now starting to feel normal.
I think I had covid19 and if not it was something but it was not
diverticulitis.

Mum recovered too: she is tough as nails for 85 year old

That's awesome your mom kicked it. Yeah I'm not believing that a bunch of us are getting diverticulitis at the same time. I wish I could get a test just to know if I have it so I can take another 2-3 weeks or maybe a month later to see I've kicked it just so I'd be able to go out and do things like grocery shopping for older people in my neighborhood without much risk of infecting them.

[picnroll]

Fauci lied,,,shit all over the combo drug that is now being rolled out in New York. Hell, Cuomo rolled it out first, the old man pimped it & Fauci dismissed it out-of-hand. Now it's here.
Obvious Trump and you don’t know shit about how medical studies are conducted and what a responsibility public statement is. Trump as always is just looking for political points to cover his ass for the major fuck up he’s perpetrated. The reality show presidency.

[baseline bum]

California has basically quit testing.

I'm in Texas now thankfully. This would be a horrible time to be in Cali. Some of my friends from there have just been isolating themselves, not leaving the house period for three weeks now.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm in Texas now thankfully. This would be a horrible time to be in Cali. Some of my friends from there have just been isolating themselves, not leaving the house period for three weeks now.

In san antonio your doctor just needs to authorize the test. Then you make an appointment to do the drive by test at the ATT center.

[Thread]

Obvious Trump and you don’t know shit about how medical studies are conducted and what a responsibility public statement is. Trump as always is just looking for political points to cover his ass for the major fuck up he’s perpetrated. The reality show presidency.

Yet, nobody jumped in Cuomo's shit for rolling it out first. Of course the old man was going to jump on that Cuomo (find). Damn right. "It might work. It might not. What do we have to lose?"

As long as the death count is low like it is MSM & "you" are going to attack the old man & make this all about politics.
& frankly, picky, I hope the death count enables "you."

[Mark Celibate]

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Can you imagine if your corporate messaging on this revolved around christian god?

more like Guide, Guard, and Groom his bank account tbh imo

[Nathan89]

Northern Italy dropped the age limit for respirators again. Over 60 doesnt get it. Making special arrangements for family to see them before they die.

:wow

I wasn't aware that this was being lowered since the original story.

[hater]

Rand Paul has bad lungs cause of his rib fractures

RIP :(

hes toast

[Nathan89]

Dear Dr Facci burst the Orange Mans balloon when he said theres not gonna be no miracle drug for this

sorry dude, Orange man is out of his league on this one

Dr Facci doesn't know what will happen. If the results are true for this drug combo that would be "miracle drug" category.

[Sheriff Hoyt]

Rand Paul has bad lungs cause of his rib fractures

RIP :(

hes toast
Guy was at the Senate Gym this morning now the GOP are freaking out they were exposed

[Sheriff Hoyt]

Louisiana with the stay at home order. Can’t leave your house except for essential needs

[hater]

Dr Facci doesn't know what will happen. If the results are true for this drug combo that would be "miracle drug" category.

hes a doctor

knows a hell lot more than Orange Balloon :lol

[RandomGuy]

So now we have the first bits of semi-reliable data.

Italy:

Confirmed cases: 60k

Deaths: 5.4k.

9% fatality.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Their aging population probably contributed, and this suggests their health system was overwhelmed, as their fatality rate is vastly higher than others.

US still on a trajectory that indicates our system will be overwhelmed as well.

[Thread]

Dr Facci doesn't know what will happen. If the results are true for this drug combo that would be "miracle drug" category.

Yes, & because MSM made a decision when Cuomo went first, to not cite, nor condemn him because he was a "friend." But, when the old man pimped Cuomo's act MSM pounced.

Fauci wants to sell out the old man, but, can't in broad daylight. He's as deep state as the next asshole in the line, but, he doesn't want to lose his perch & perk(s). For him this is as good as it's gonna get & it will never get this good again. So, he'll snipe from the back row there. Careful though, MSM out front there in that briefing room are plotting to get him to jump the shark & get his ass in a sling like they did the Mooch & that little hottie that used to escort the VIPs around at Trump Tower & had that desk just outside the Oval Office.

Now, Mooch is loitering the CNN Green Room buffet, and that hottie? She ain't stopped crying yet back at home..."GD girl, wtf were you thinking? (We) had it made." - ma & pa.

[Thread]

So now we have the first bits of semi-reliable data.

Italy:

Confirmed cases: 60k

Deaths: 5.4k.

9% fatality.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Their aging population probably contributed, and this suggests their health system was overwhelmed, as their fatality rate is vastly higher than others.

US still on a trajectory that indicates our system will be overwhelmed as well.


23k+ dead from regular flu so far this year.
less than 400 dead from Corona.

[RandomGuy]

Dr Facci doesn't know what will happen. If the results are true for this drug combo that would be "miracle drug" category.

You watch too many movies.

RL science doesn't work that way. What are the side effects? What if the side effects are worse than the disease when you introduce it widely? As the DOCTOR pointed out, don't count on this to pan out.

[Sheriff Hoyt]

So Rand Paul is the new Rudy Gobert

[Thread]

You watch too many movies.

RL science doesn't work that way. What are the side effects? What if the side effects are worse than the disease when you introduce it widely? As the DOCTOR pointed out, don't count on this to pan out.

Then jump in Cuomo's shit. He is the one who ordered the dosages. The old man just pimped it as such:::"It might work. It might not. What do we have to lose?"

[Blake]

Guy was at the Senate Gym this morning now the GOP are freaking out they were exposed

This morning?

Jeez

[RandomGuy]

So Rand Paul is the new Rudy Gobert

Pure Schadenfreude.

Ass hat voted against the relief bill. Odds are pretty good that there will be some deaths in Congress from the disease.

Irony:

Republicans have been taking fewer precautions, if the polls are accurate, than Democrats. The propaganda trying to downplay how badly Trump has screwed the pooch is going to infect, and therefore kill, more Republicans than Democrats.

Cause, meet effect.

[hater]

the liquor store will probably close this week

fuck gotta go get a few months supplies of booze and more toilet paper. can never have enough toilet paper

[Nathan89]

hes a doctor

knows a hell lot more than Orange Balloon :lol

I don't care what he is. He still doesn't know the future.

[Sheriff Hoyt]

This morning?Jeez


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[DarrinS]

I didn't mention on here but I was ill last week. Just abdominal pain, chills, no real fever 99.5 a couple of times but then right back to normal temp. Ended up passing out Saturday morning and went to the ER. Wife thought I might have diverticulitis. Chest xray, abdominal ct, labs revealed not much. Slighty elevated wbc & CT showed inflammation in intestinal track. They called it colitis and sent me home with flagyl & cipro. Never got any respiratory problems. Still feel "off" but almost back to normal. I had something viral I'm sure.

I had the same symptoms last week, really bad abdominal pain and chills. Lasted for a couple of days. At that same time, my wife had been coughing her head off for over a week. Nurse at CVS told her she had a mild bacterial pneumonia and gave her a z-pak.

[picnroll]

hes a doctor

knows a hell lot more than Orange Balloon :lol
Need to make that my signature. One of the most brain dead statements ever uttered by a Trump Koolaid drinker. Look at Facci’s resume threadbare.

[Nathan89]

You watch too many movies.

RL science doesn't work that way. What are the side effects? What if the side effects are worse than the disease when you introduce it widely? As the DOCTOR pointed out, don't count on this to pan out.

I've made no claims. They are testing for a reason. One simply doesn't know until things are tested.

[Thread]

I don't care what he is. He still doesn't know the future.

& he's under pressure to sell out the old man on-that-dais. Tired, fatigued, the joy of importance & attention starting to wane he's susceptible to haranguing the old man live from that lectern that he can barely see over. Short man syndrome all his life, finally he's a big shot, a genuine American super star, or, as close to it as he'll ever get.

MSM has him where they want him, in the cross hairs. They'd sell him out in a split second. But, they ain't rushing it like I thought they would 3 days ago, when he started to go off, then remembered what his wife admonished him at the door as he left to get into that gov't limo:::"Tony, please honey, just let it go. We need this. He's the President. Let-it-go."

MSM is prepping him, waiting for that fatigue to present a moment when he's ripe & then Tony will do THEIR dirty work.

Wife: "GD it, Tony, I told you." as Uber drops him off back at home.

[hater]

:lmao :lmao orange bastard has completely gone bananas :lmao

https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1241422580675829760?s=21


did he really say we have good liquids for this??? :lmao holy fuck we all gone die

[picnroll]

& he's under pressure to sell out the old man on-that-dais. Tired, fatigued, the joy of importance & attention starting to wane he's susceptible to haranguing the old man live from that lectern that he can barely see over. Short man syndrome all his life, finally he's a big shot, a genuine American super star, or, as close to it as he'll ever get.

MSM has him where they want him, in the cross hairs. They'd sell him out in a split second. But, they ain't rushing it like I thought they would 3 days ago, when he started to go off, then remembered what his wife admonished him at the door as he left to get into that gov't limo:::"Tony, please honey, just let it go. We need this. He's the President. Let-it-go."

MSM is prepping him, waiting for that fatigue to present a moment when he's ripe & then Tony will do THEIR dirty work.

Wife: "GD it, Tony, I told you." as Uber drops him off back at home.

Or maybe a guy who has a stellar 40 yr reputation in the field, and unlike all the syncophant’s who let their reputations get trashed by Rump, he didn’t wanted to appear like he was endorsing the imbecile.

[SnakeBoy]

I had the same symptoms last week, really bad abdominal pain and chills. Lasted for a couple of days. At that same time, my wife had been coughing her head off for over a week. Nurse at CVS told her she had a mild bacterial pneumonia and gave her a z-pak.

Mine started Monday and steadily got worse through the week until I passed out last Saturday (split my nose open when my face met the floor). They just chalked that up to a vaso vagal response which is embarrassing since it's just medical terminology for fainted like a bitch :lol

It's like there is something going around :dizzy

[florige]

Is there like different strains of this thing or something? Celebrities that are getting this thing are acting like it’s really no big deal and recovery like it’s a common cold where some ordinary folks seem like they are dying on the death beds.

[DarrinS]

Mine started Monday and steadily got worse through the week until I passed out last Saturday (split my nose open when my face met the floor). They just chalked that up to a vaso vagal response which is embarrassing since it's just medical terminology for fainted like a bitch :lol

It's like there is something going around :dizzy


Damn. Whatever I had wasn't nearly that severe. I didn't have loss of taste/smell as has been mentioned, but I had almost no appetite whatsoever. When I did eat, it was a nauseating experience.

[boutons_deux]

I'm keeping it to less than 3000 mg/day since who knows if I'll be taking these for a couple of weeks.

looks up the safe limit of mg per kg of body weight

[boutons_deux]

Is there like different strains of this thing or something? Celebrities that are getting this thing are acting like it’s really no big deal and recovery like it’s a common cold where some ordinary folks seem like they are dying on the death beds.

people over 60 are the prime killing ground.

the lower the decade, the milder the symptoms, until almost zero for babies.

BUT

genetics, other health problems, esp immune, smoking/vaping, etc can invite very severe covid-19 symptoms and death at any age.

[boutons_deux]

Israeli doctor in Italy:

We no longer help those over 60

Israeli medical doctor Gai Peleg told Israeli television that

in northern Italy the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines.

https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856 (https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856)

[Sheriff Hoyt]

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he had lunch with Paul

[Sheriff Hoyt]

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[midnightpulp]

So now we have the first bits of semi-reliable data.

Italy:

Confirmed cases: 60k

Deaths: 5.4k.

9% fatality.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Their aging population probably contributed, and this suggests their health system was overwhelmed, as their fatality rate is vastly higher than others.

US still on a trajectory that indicates our system will be overwhelmed as well.

Taking issue with this because it's bad logic to compare us to Italy. The comparison doesn't account for many, many variables. Not coming at you, but I'm getting sick of the "Omg, we're going to become Italy soon!" doom and gloom projections that is wrongly making a 1 to 1 comparison with the entire US. I think you posted in my thread comparing how the virus spreads in countries and states with different climates and population densities. I used the flu rate as an example of how much more hospitable virus transmission is in those "green areas." On this point, Italy's flu fatality is 10 times higher than ours. Their population is simply more susceptible to the grave outcomes of respiratory illness.


In recent years, Italy has been registering peaks in death rates, particularly among the elderly during the winter season. A mortality rate of 10.7 per 1,000 inhabitants

Or 1 percent. The flu mortality rate in the US is .01.

I find it curious that no one ever compares us to Australia? They didn't prepare and the virus hasn't "swept the nation." Climate, social behavior (i.e. mass transit vs. driving), and social interaction, and population density are big factors in virality. I've been pouring over case progression and comparing progression rates and such. Countries and regions in the green band accelerate far, far quicker from their first reported case and death than countries in the red bands.

For example, over a 20 day period, Italy went from one death to 827. Over a 20 day period in Australia, they went from their first death to 7. Adjusted for population, Italy accelerated 350x faster. Here in California, our first reported death was on March 4. Currently stands at 28. Over the 18 day period in Italy from their first death, they went from 1 to 463. Adjusting for population, 308x faster. It's worth nothing that we were the second epicenter in the US way back in Jan. 26th. No measures were place, giving the virus opportune time to spread, and it didn't "sweep."

Now, New York best resembles Italy in climate, pop density, social behavior, etc. They had their first reported case when California had their first reported death, and the virus has accelerated far faster in New York. But I don't think New York will resemble Italy in mortality rate. We got enough numbers from there to see how they're handling it, and their currently mortality rate is .07. But yes, we need to be concerned about them being overwhelmed, but I don't see that same fate for much of the US.

[pgardn]

Mine started Monday and steadily got worse through the week until I passed out last Saturday (split my nose open when my face met the floor). They just chalked that up to a vaso vagal response which is embarrassing since it's just medical terminology for fainted like a bitch :lol

It's like there is something going around :dizzy


Ok you have a good sense of humor about fainting face first.
Hope you get better and stay that way.
Has to be scary if you have never fainted before and then fall like lumber.

[boutons_deux]

COVID19 By the Numbers: The View of a 20 Year Veteran of Pandemic Preparedness (UPDATEDX5) (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929780/-COVID19-By-the-Numbers-The-View-of-a-20-Year-Veteran-of-Pandemic-Preparedness)

Until 2018 I was on the front lines of pandemic preparedness, emerging infections and biodefense

and would be today if I hadn’t just started a new biotech focused on cancer immunotherapy,

We’re not big enough yet to pivot to COVID19.

Anyway, I have been consulting, watching the numbers carefully and I have been in touch with a network of former colleagues who are experts in different aspects of pandemic preparedness and are still on the front lines.

Take home messages —

Italy is the canary in the coal mine.

Don’t count cases (testing rate is still too low/spotty).

Count deaths per day.

It is a lagging indicator,

but the most solid trend for decision making.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781043/large/daily-deaths-covid-19.png?1584820375
If you want a worst case for nearly everybody in the world just follow the Italian trend in daily COVID19 deaths (https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus)and push things out by a few weeks (Spain has a very similar trend just delayed).

It is anticipated that Italy will hit peak deaths per day in 2-3 weeks. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/)

I am not going to guess here what that peak number will be or total deaths, although I and others have some ranges.

Italy is not as unique as we might want to believe,

they are just showing all of us the trajectory of the virus if unchecked.

They were late to social distancing/quarantine testing and they got hit hard and early.

Bergamo and the Lombardia region are being decimated and it’s not just because there are lots of old people, or culture, or hospital beds per 1000 citizens etc. etc.

It’s also because they likely had a huge number of infected people get together with uninfected people (perhaps some super spreaders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-spreader)) and the initial outbreak got ahead of any countermeasures that could be implemented.

Was Italy Late in Social Distancing and locking things down? —

We all were, but not by much.

There are stages of alert from WHO, CDC, and Italian Health Ministries.

Each is based on following data like the graph above.

By the time they were mobilized for flashing red, Bergamo (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead) was already lost.

This is how it happens.

This is what pandemic preparedness was/is all about.

When they hit, they can go very fast, especially locally.

So how did China and S. Korea get their outbreaks under control?

(NB I don’t trust China’s numbers during the Wuhan outbreak in terms of death toll. They did lie about the outbreak for a long time. Not hard to imagine them teasing those numbers down 5-10X for the official count after they got everything under control — more on that later).

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781090/large/daily-deaths-covid-193.png?1584827061

What could explain these dramatic differences?

Genetic susceptibility or resistance is impossible to rule out and is always a competing hypothesis. However, it is unlikely to explain.differences this extreme.

The working model is S. Korea definitely got a big head start on testing and this allowed them to do smart quarantining and smart social distancing —

Take home message —

It is possible to snuff out this pernicious little bug,

but you need to act quickly and be lucky enough not to get caught in the potential black swan event(s) of Bergamo and Lombardia.

There was a UEFA Cup soccer match between Atalanta (Bergamo’s Team) and Valencia from Spain in Bergamo in February (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2881322-valencia-announce-35-percent-of-players-staff-tested-have-coronavirus).

It is believed that around 1/3rd of the 120,000 citizens attended the game, while many more watched with large groups in bars etc. Atalanta won 4-1… This is a small town and they don’t get European Championship games for their team like almost ever.

It’s almost like a bioweapon was deliberately set off in Bergamo, although this is not at all a possibility,

the intensity of the disease is like a bomb went off.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781184/large/daily-deaths-covid-194.png?1584835956
So what does this mean for the U.S. and civilization as a whole?

Well, it’s much worse than we all hoped at the beginning and the numbers are very solid now.

Italy’s testing isn’t perfect, there are peculiarities with the demographics, the intensity of the initial outbreak appears extreme and perhaps even genetic factors are causing the deviation from S. Korea and China. That said,

we have a very good understanding of the worst case for this virus if you’re only a week or two late in social distancing.

No social distancing would look a lot worse.

The US, France, Spain etc. situations are trending the same way as Italy, but all other countries have a head start. Again… were we late?

Maybe a little but not by much.

However any state/city etc. that is not at NYC or LA levels of lockdown are making a huge mistake.

The slopes of the curves (deaths) for all have now been shown to be highly similar.

The only difference will be that everyone else has a head start on Italy so we need to trust the scientists and the math.

Take home message — Stay home as much as possible.

Keep distancing.

Be vigilant and ride this thing out.

Better 6 ft apart than 6 ft under (hat tip to Cambridge, MA, “6 ft/ apart dancing guy” for the joke —

Remarkably, I strongly believe that when we get through the summer we will see that this social distancing has also had a positive affect on influenza deaths and other communicable diseases… Something to ponder.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781197/large/daily-deaths-covid-195.png?1584836741
This is the most important fact.

If we distance earlier we can snuff these things out. We always knew this. The question is when?

Unfortunately, the Chinese Government literally fucked us all on the timing by hiding the disease for so long.

Smart quarantining is more effective and much less costly than shutting down entire countries.

We do need another test that I don’t hear anyone talking about urgently enough too.

This is the test for whether you have been exposed to the virus and potentially have built up immunity.

The current test only registers positive if you have live virus in you.

Nearly 20 years ago I tried to propose a vision to the US government of private public partnerships in biomedicine

but there was never enough money by a factor of 100-1000 (compared to weapon systems)

Take Home — We could have been much better prepared.

However, the experts have already gamed this out so its now just a matter of execution and ramping up.

We’ve learned a lot with the COVID19 pandemic too.

There will be others in the future.

Perhaps the most creative thing we can do as a civilization is

figure out when and how we shut everything down and not crash the economy every time we need to do this.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929780/-COVID19-By-the-Numbers-The-View-of-a-20-Year-Veteran-of-Pandemic-Preparedness (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929780/-COVID19-By-the-Numbers-The-View-of-a-20-Year-Veteran-of-Pandemic-Preparedness)

[CosmicCowboy]

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He wont be the last, on both sides. They need to allow vote by phone.

[SnakeBoy]

Ok you have a good sense of humor about fainting face first.
Hope you get better and stay that way.
Has to be scary if you have never fainted before and then fall like lumber.

Honestly I was mostly scared I had a nasty infected diverticulita, can be life threatening. Luckily I felt it coming on and tried lay on the floor, made it most of the way. Just happened to be on an outdoor no skid carpet we keep in the hall so my dog won't slip on the floor, it's not very forgiving on the skin I discovered lol.

[Winehole23]

He wont be the last, on both sides. They need to allow vote by phone.

For.us too. Coronavirus will still be with us in November.

[CosmicCowboy]

I am tall and susceptible to orthostatic hypotension. (Basically fainting like a bitch if I stand up too fast) and took a dive on our tile floor a few years ago skidding about 10 feet on my face. Broke 3 ribs and smashed my nose/face. Splatted like a turd from a tall horse.

[Winehole23]

I am tall and susceptible to orthostatic hypotension. (Basically fainting like a bitch if I stand up too fast) and took a dive on our tile floor a few years ago skidding about 10 feet on my face. Broke 3 ribs and smashed my nose/face.
Ow

[Nathan89]

Taking issue with this because it's bad logic to compare us to Italy. The comparison doesn't account for many, many variables. Not coming at you, but I'm getting sick of the "Omg, we're going to become Italy soon!" doom and gloom projections that is wrongly making a 1 to 1 comparison with the entire US. I think you posted in my thread comparing how the virus spreads in countries and states with different climates and population densities. I used the flu rate as an example of how much more hospitable virus transmission is in those "green areas." On this point, Italy's flu fatality is 10 times higher than ours. Their population is simply more susceptible to the grave outcomes of respiratory illness.



Or 1 percent. The flu mortality rate in the US is .01.

I find it curious that no one ever compares us to Australia? They didn't prepare and the virus hasn't "swept the nation." Climate, social behavior (i.e. mass transit vs. driving), and social interaction, and population density are big factors in virality. I've been pouring over case progression and comparing progression rates and such. Countries and regions in the green band accelerate far, far quicker from their first reported case and death than countries in the red bands.

For example, over a 20 day period, Italy went from one death to 827. Over a 20 day period in Australia, they went from their first death to 7. Adjusted for population, Italy accelerated 350x faster. Here in California, our first reported death was on March 4. Currently stands at 28. Over the 18 day period in Italy from their first death, they went from 1 to 463. Adjusting for population, 308x faster. It's worth nothing that we were the second epicenter in the US way back in Jan. 26th. No measures were place, giving the virus opportune time to spread, and it didn't "sweep."

Now, New York best resembles Italy in climate, pop density, social behavior, etc. They had their first reported case when California had their first reported death, and the virus has accelerated far faster in New York. But I don't think New York will resemble Italy in mortality rate. We got enough numbers from there to see how they're handling it, and their currently mortality rate is .07. But yes, we need to be concerned about them being overwhelmed, but I don't see that same fate for much of the US.

Wow. That's the first time I've read Italy's flu mortality rate. That's insane.

[hater]

if Trump
continues his silly daily briefings pretty much him and his entire “task force” will catch the bug

its bound yo happen if his charade continues

public figures are almost 100% lock to get it sooner or later

poor Dear Dr Facci already looks like a corpse. Trump will end up killing americas favorite doctor

[hater]

Trumpo should just stop playing doctor on tv :lmao

The claim that the anti-malaria drug (hydro-)chloroquine helps in SARS-CoV-2 infection cases comes from two Chinese studies which are only based on in-vitro tests on the virus and human cells. The doses were relatively high and chloroquine is know to have some bad side effects. There is also no sound way yet to get chloroquine into the lower lungs where the virus resides and where it would be actually needed.

[ElNono]

:lmao Rand Paul, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Dude is a physician no less, high risk, but you know how this went: I'm a libertarian! gubmint can't keep me locked up!

The dangers of putting dogma over reason, smh... fortunately for Paul, despite he wanted to bomb the aid for everyone else, he'll get a nice and fat subsidized healthcare from big bad gubmint...

[vy65]

Taking issue with this because it's bad logic to compare us to Italy. The comparison doesn't account for many, many variables. Not coming at you, but I'm getting sick of the "Omg, we're going to become Italy soon!" doom and gloom projections that is wrongly making a 1 to 1 comparison with the entire US. I think you posted in my thread comparing how the virus spreads in countries and states with different climates and population densities. I used the flu rate as an example of how much more hospitable virus transmission is in those "green areas." On this point, Italy's flu fatality is 10 times higher than ours. Their population is simply more susceptible to the grave outcomes of respiratory illness.



Or 1 percent. The flu mortality rate in the US is .01.

I find it curious that no one ever compares us to Australia? They didn't prepare and the virus hasn't "swept the nation." Climate, social behavior (i.e. mass transit vs. driving), and social interaction, and population density are big factors in virality. I've been pouring over case progression and comparing progression rates and such. Countries and regions in the green band accelerate far, far quicker from their first reported case and death than countries in the red bands.

For example, over a 20 day period, Italy went from one death to 827. Over a 20 day period in Australia, they went from their first death to 7. Adjusted for population, Italy accelerated 350x faster. Here in California, our first reported death was on March 4. Currently stands at 28. Over the 18 day period in Italy from their first death, they went from 1 to 463. Adjusting for population, 308x faster. It's worth nothing that we were the second epicenter in the US way back in Jan. 26th. No measures were place, giving the virus opportune time to spread, and it didn't "sweep."

Now, New York best resembles Italy in climate, pop density, social behavior, etc. They had their first reported case when California had their first reported death, and the virus has accelerated far faster in New York. But I don't think New York will resemble Italy in mortality rate. We got enough numbers from there to see how they're handling it, and their currently mortality rate is .07. But yes, we need to be concerned about them being overwhelmed, but I don't see that same fate for much of the US.

I’ll take credit for advancing this point first, obviously, but this is really solid analysis.

[hater]

make your own masks ma nigas

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3050689/how-make-your-own-mask-hong-kong-scientists

[hater]

those unfortunately are equivalent to surgical masks only

I already posted weeks ago steps to extend life of N95 masks and no please dont follow Trumps advice and use liquids to sanitize it :lmao :lmao

[ElNono]

Don't forget that what happened in Italy too, and could very well happen here, besides individual risk or care, is the collapse of health services. Part of wanting to keep people at home is to lower risks for other serious accidents that can happen anytime... car crashes, old person falls and break hip, etc.

When your beds are taken and your system is collapsed, you can't even take care of other urgent medical conditions either. Those won't show up as virus deaths, but they're tightly coupled too.

[vy65]

Italy: 59,138 cases and 5,560 deaths
Texas: 618 cases and 6 deaths.

10% vs 1%

[Thread]

Or maybe a guy who has a stellar 40 yr reputation in the field, and unlike all the syncophant’s who let their reputations get trashed by Rump, he didn’t wanted to appear like he was endorsing the imbecile.

Then he should do the (right thing):::tender his resignation from his desk, gather his shit & he'll be Lyfted back to his home:::

Wife: "GD it, Tony. I told you."

[hater]

Italy: 59,138 cases and 5,560 deaths
Texas: 618 cases and 6 deaths.

10% vs 1%

thats what happens when system collapses

thus why countries like US and UK changed their minds on “taking it on the chin” and
going for herd immunity

IF US system collapses we will easily see similar death rate

UK unfortunately is fucked.

[Thread]

Italy: 59,138 cases and 5,560 deaths
Texas: 618 cases and 6 deaths.

10% vs 1%

Sometime after Vietnam we made a vow before God that we'd take the wounded & the maimed, but, we'd fight hammer & tong to delay Rod Serling's Godless assurance of the death spiral:::"...And into the dust that is always the end."

It not only works for War, but, for Corona.

[Thread]

thats what happens when system collapses

thus why countries like US and UK changed their minds on “taking it on the chin” and
going for herd immunity

IF US system collapses we will easily see similar death rate

UK unfortunately is fucked.

Well, once the Big 3 Auto Makers switch over from cars to hospital mish-mash we'll be in like Flint.

[ElNono]

Well, once the Big 3 Auto Makers switch over from cars to hospital mish-mash we'll be in like Flint.

I was thinking this might end up approaching our strategy post pearl harbor, tbh... there's not a war or visible foe here, but things like the DPA, and shifting industries to cope might come into high gear.

Just read last night Tesla/SpaceX are moving on to start building ventilators....

[boutons_deux]

Italy: 59,138 cases and 5,560 deaths
Texas: 618 cases and 6 deaths.

10% vs 1%

618 is more like 6000+

there is a lag, covid takes 2 - 8 weeks to kill

[Thread]

I was thinking this might end up approaching our strategy post pearl harbor, tbh... there's not a war or visible foe here, but things like the DPA, and shifting industries to cope might come into high gear.

Just read last night Tesla/SpaceX are moving on to start building ventilators....


...and that is what the old man stated yesterday= "I've requested & industry has even offered, but, it will take a few weeks to switch over."

MSM knows this, but, attacked anyway under cover of the less than 400 dead count. At 400 MSM can afford to attack. At 800 a day we'll all be running for our lives.

[hater]

Well, once the Big 3 Auto Makers switch over from cars to hospital mish-mash we'll be in like Flint.

it will be momths until we get GM ventilators right?

we dont have months

the system can collapse in weeks

[ElNono]

...and that is what the old man stated yesterday= "I've requested & industry has even offered, but, it will take a few weeks to switch over."

MSM knows this, but, attacked anyway under cover of the less than 400 dead count. At 400 MSM can afford to attack. At 800 a day we'll all be running for our lives.

We're at 412 right now.

[hater]

and if you meant weeks

Trumps claim that we will have Chrysler ventilators in weeks is as bad or worse than having a vaccine in 4 months :lmao :lmao :lmao

Trump just needs to shut the fuck up :lol

[Sheriff Hoyt]

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[Spurs Homer]

...and that is what the old man stated yesterday= "I've requested & industry has even offered, but, it will take a few weeks to switch over."

MSM knows this, but, attacked anyway under cover of the less than 400 dead count. At 400 MSM can afford to attack. At 800 a day we'll all be running for our lives.


because the criminal is aiming to PROFIT $$$
from pitting private donors against each other while things spiral out of control

[Sheriff Hoyt]

1241836671634739200

[Thread]

We're at 412 right now.

When we're running for our lives at 800 per day it won't matter, we'll be too busy running, or, skinning our smokewagon's in the house & dispatching "little Debbie" to hide by grandma's headstone "The Searchers."

[Thread]

because the criminal is aiming to PROFIT $$$
from pitting private donors against each other while things spiral out of control

They pitted themselves...it didn't take the old man, Homer.

& it can't be too spiraled out:::Florida beaches & Central Park in NYC are jammed.

[ElNono]

Trump just needs to shut the fuck up :lol

He does. Or at least, he needs to have somebody that reins him in. It's not that everything he says is wrong, it isn't, but you have to be measured, and you can't keep trying to bullshit your way through this. That isn't leadership.

Let the health folks he has handle the health science questions. You don't have to talk or show your mug every time to reassure you have the best people tackling this.

[Winehole23]

When we're running for our lives at 800 per day it won't matter, we'll be too busy running, or, skinning our smokewagon's in the house & dispatching "little Debbie" to hide by grandma's headstone "The Searchers."
Chris!

Go back, Chris!

Chris, go back!

[Thread]

and if you meant weeks

Trumps claim that we will have Chrysler ventilators in weeks is as bad or worse than having a vaccine in 4 months :lmao :lmao :lmao

Trump just needs to shut the fuck up :lol

...& I believe we'll have that vaccine in 4 months. & when we do MSM in association with the big shots will waive the vast lion's share of testing & more testing & caution. Oh, yeah, it'll be okay then to cast that caution to the winds because it will be (their) idea and not the old man's.

[hater]

...& I believe we'll have that vaccine in 4 months. & when we do MSM in association with the big shots will waive the vast lion's share of testing & more testing & caution. Oh, yeah, it'll be okay then to cast that caution to the winds because it will be (their) idea and not the old man's.

:lmao

youre adorable

[picnroll]

COVID19 By the Numbers: The View of a 20 Year Veteran of Pandemic Preparedness (UPDATEDX5) (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929780/-COVID19-By-the-Numbers-The-View-of-a-20-Year-Veteran-of-Pandemic-Preparedness)

Until 2018 I was on the front lines of pandemic preparedness, emerging infections and biodefense

and would be today if I hadn’t just started a new biotech focused on cancer immunotherapy,

We’re not big enough yet to pivot to COVID19.

Anyway, I have been consulting, watching the numbers carefully and I have been in touch with a network of former colleagues who are experts in different aspects of pandemic preparedness and are still on the front lines.

Take home messages —

Italy is the canary in the coal mine.

Don’t count cases (testing rate is still too low/spotty).

Count deaths per day.

It is a lagging indicator,

but the most solid trend for decision making.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781043/large/daily-deaths-covid-19.png?1584820375
If you want a worst case for nearly everybody in the world just follow the Italian trend in daily COVID19 deaths (https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus)and push things out by a few weeks (Spain has a very similar trend just delayed).

It is anticipated that Italy will hit peak deaths per day in 2-3 weeks. (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/)

I am not going to guess here what that peak number will be or total deaths, although I and others have some ranges.

Italy is not as unique as we might want to believe,

they are just showing all of us the trajectory of the virus if unchecked.

They were late to social distancing/quarantine testing and they got hit hard and early.

Bergamo and the Lombardia region are being decimated and it’s not just because there are lots of old people, or culture, or hospital beds per 1000 citizens etc. etc.

It’s also because they likely had a huge number of infected people get together with uninfected people (perhaps some super spreaders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-spreader)) and the initial outbreak got ahead of any countermeasures that could be implemented.

Was Italy Late in Social Distancing and locking things down? —

We all were, but not by much.

There are stages of alert from WHO, CDC, and Italian Health Ministries.

Each is based on following data like the graph above.

By the time they were mobilized for flashing red, Bergamo (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead) was already lost.

This is how it happens.

This is what pandemic preparedness was/is all about.

When they hit, they can go very fast, especially locally.

So how did China and S. Korea get their outbreaks under control?

(NB I don’t trust China’s numbers during the Wuhan outbreak in terms of death toll. They did lie about the outbreak for a long time. Not hard to imagine them teasing those numbers down 5-10X for the official count after they got everything under control — more on that later).

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781090/large/daily-deaths-covid-193.png?1584827061

What could explain these dramatic differences?

Genetic susceptibility or resistance is impossible to rule out and is always a competing hypothesis. However, it is unlikely to explain.differences this extreme.

The working model is S. Korea definitely got a big head start on testing and this allowed them to do smart quarantining and smart social distancing —

Take home message —

It is possible to snuff out this pernicious little bug,

but you need to act quickly and be lucky enough not to get caught in the potential black swan event(s) of Bergamo and Lombardia.

There was a UEFA Cup soccer match between Atalanta (Bergamo’s Team) and Valencia from Spain in Bergamo in February (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2881322-valencia-announce-35-percent-of-players-staff-tested-have-coronavirus).

It is believed that around 1/3rd of the 120,000 citizens attended the game, while many more watched with large groups in bars etc. Atalanta won 4-1… This is a small town and they don’t get European Championship games for their team like almost ever.

It’s almost like a bioweapon was deliberately set off in Bergamo, although this is not at all a possibility,

the intensity of the disease is like a bomb went off.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781184/large/daily-deaths-covid-194.png?1584835956
So what does this mean for the U.S. and civilization as a whole?

Well, it’s much worse than we all hoped at the beginning and the numbers are very solid now.

Italy’s testing isn’t perfect, there are peculiarities with the demographics, the intensity of the initial outbreak appears extreme and perhaps even genetic factors are causing the deviation from S. Korea and China. That said,

we have a very good understanding of the worst case for this virus if you’re only a week or two late in social distancing.

No social distancing would look a lot worse.

The US, France, Spain etc. situations are trending the same way as Italy, but all other countries have a head start. Again… were we late?

Maybe a little but not by much.

However any state/city etc. that is not at NYC or LA levels of lockdown are making a huge mistake.

The slopes of the curves (deaths) for all have now been shown to be highly similar.

The only difference will be that everyone else has a head start on Italy so we need to trust the scientists and the math.

Take home message — Stay home as much as possible.

Keep distancing.

Be vigilant and ride this thing out.

Better 6 ft apart than 6 ft under (hat tip to Cambridge, MA, “6 ft/ apart dancing guy” for the joke —

Remarkably, I strongly believe that when we get through the summer we will see that this social distancing has also had a positive affect on influenza deaths and other communicable diseases… Something to ponder.

https://images.dailykos.com/images/781197/large/daily-deaths-covid-195.png?1584836741
This is the most important fact.

If we distance earlier we can snuff these things out. We always knew this. The question is when?

Unfortunately, the Chinese Government literally fucked us all on the timing by hiding the disease for so long.

Smart quarantining is more effective and much less costly than shutting down entire countries.

We do need another test that I don’t hear anyone talking about urgently enough too.

This is the test for whether you have been exposed to the virus and potentially have built up immunity.

The current test only registers positive if you have live virus in you.

Nearly 20 years ago I tried to propose a vision to the US government of private public partnerships in biomedicine

but there was never enough money by a factor of 100-1000 (compared to weapon systems)

Take Home — We could have been much better prepared.

However, the experts have already gamed this out so its now just a matter of execution and ramping up.

We’ve learned a lot with the COVID19 pandemic too.

There will be others in the future.

Perhaps the most creative thing we can do as a civilization is

figure out when and how we shut everything down and not crash the economy every time we need to do this.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929780/-COVID19-By-the-Numbers-The-View-of-a-20-Year-Veteran-of-Pandemic-Preparedness (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/21/1929780/-COVID19-By-the-Numbers-The-View-of-a-20-Year-Veteran-of-Pandemic-Preparedness)
Really good article.
One correction, there is an COVD19 antibody test developed at Mt Sinai Hospital in NY available now that is still ramping up in distribution. It’s a colorimetric ELISA test which is a type of test widely used including most hospital labs of size. Sinai is distributing reagents. The test serves at least three valuable purposes.
It identifies the distribution of disease to determine its true morbidity and mortality.
It identifies health care workers who have had the disease and are immune so they can treat the patients posing the highest risk and they don’t require the degree of PPE if there are shortages.
Patient with high antibody titres plasma can be harvested for potential treatment of the most critically ill patients.

[boutons_deux]

https://thespinoff.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Covid-19-Transmission-graphic-01.gif?fbclid=IwAR0HGg5vqOvLJOYswnUDAmrSfVD50e3SUa r8roqIy8Ys0hat-ctVo9-xNok

[Thread]

:lmao

youre adorable

Mark my words:::Fauci, or, his replacement will stand up there, straight-faced and answer that question that will kill MSM to ask:::"Yes, most of the instances you do need 6 months to almost a year...(see, they won't talk about the 1 years to 18 months minimum we're hammering now, uh, uh.) for testing, but, this combination is not one of those instances, thankfully. Next question."

& there won't be any follow up, or, the Burger King grill to grill 'em. We'll roll out the band and celebrate. And the old man? "Get outta my fuckin' way. Where's Kudlow. C'mon, Kud, the DOW, Kud, the DOW!"

bum will bend over and all will be right once & again.

[DarrinS]

Hydroxychloroquin + z-pak

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-BCcuygbmO/?utm_source=ig_embed

[vy65]

618 is more like 6000+

there is a lag, covid takes 2 - 8 weeks to kill

I hope so. That’d drop the death rate to .1%.

Haven’t seen any sources on the 2-8 week thing. Care to share?

[vy65]

thats what happens when system collapses

thus why countries like US and UK changed their minds on “taking it on the chin” and
going for herd immunity

IF US system collapses we will easily see similar death rate

UK unfortunately is fucked.

Not comparable

[boutons_deux]

The Kaiser Family Foundation estimates that

the average cost of COVID-19 treatment for someone with employer insurance—and without complications—would be about $9,763.

Someone whose treatment has complications may see bills about double that: $20,292.

[koriwhat]

Then why have a hippocratic oath at all? I mean, I know it gets shitted on the regular, but part of that profession is, in theory, about a higher calling.

And look, it's always a person's choice, nobody is telling them they should pick that field.

The oath is only as good as the person taking it. You don't think people lie and have alternative motives?

[ElNono]

The oath is only as good as the person taking it. You don't think people lie and have alternative motives?

Sure. Would you condone that though? I think we both agree that's generally despicable, with very few exceptions?

[boutons_deux]

He does. Or at least, he needs to have somebody that reins him in.

he butts into Pence's task force presser to steal the show,and he contradicts Fauci, who is probably gonna be fired

[koriwhat]

Sure. Would you condone that though? I think we both agree that's generally despicable, with very few exceptions?

It's not up to me to condone that or not. People will pick and choose their field of work due to numerous variables even that of just making money and more.

[ElNono]

Somebody (Darrin?) was mentioning Germany as the model to follow... they just banned gatherings of more than two...

[ElNono]

It's not up to me to condone that or not. People will pick and choose their field of work due to numerous variables even that of just making money and more.

It actually ends up affecting you and everyone else. There's no avoiding having a skin in that game...

[koriwhat]

It actually ends up affecting you and everyone else. There's no avoiding having a skin in that game...

I've had shitty teachers, and others, in my life before and no doubt they shape those around them. Still, it's not on me to direct these people into work fields they'd actually dedicate themselves to with integrity.

[ElNono]

I've had shitty teachers, and others, in my life before and no doubt they shape those around them. Still, it's not on me to direct these people into work fields they'd actually dedicate themselves to with integrity.

If we're being frank, whether you're a shitty teacher or not, you get paid pennies on the dollar anyways. Attrition in teaching is very real, not so in extremely well remunerated disciplines.

[FkLA]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.

[DMC]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.

Lungs good now

[boutons_deux]

pootin and xi sending help to Italy, cuba and vz, too, Trash sends nothing, probably hates the eye tyes as much as PRs

[DMC]

Somebody (Darrin?) was mentioning Germany as the model to follow... they just banned gatherings of more than two...

Too bad they didn't start that before the holocaust tbh

[DMC]

pootin and xi sending help to Italy, Trash sends nothing

Xi sent the virus. Only right he tries to fix it.

So you want all the US ventilators and medicines to go to another country? You really are stupid.

[boutons_deux]

The latest from Mike Davis (https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/mike-davis-covid-19-essay/?fbclid=IwAR2KZHpSjNDgYZQ4nax8H5suKBV9rC0kYj1cw-a2q-q4d_uccu3ZnjFiQdg):

“We are in the early stages of a medical Katrina.

Despite years of warnings about avian flu and other pandemics,

inventories of basic emergency equipment such as respirators aren’t sufficient to deal with the expected flood of critical cases.

Militant ??? nurses unions in California and other states are making sure that we all understand the grave dangers created by inadequate stockpiles of essential protective supplies like N95 face masks.

Even more vulnerable because invisible are the hundreds of thousands of low-wage and overworked homecare workers and nursing home staff.”

[weebo]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.

Odds of having severe symptoms due to smoking are about 10-15x higher than non smokers.

[slick'81]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.


Probably fcked tbh

[boutons_deux]

In 18 days, the US has gone from 70 confirmed cases to 9,236…

[DMC]

In 18 days, the US has gone from 70 confirmed cases to 9,236…



Then that's even more reason to send all the resources to Italy. Pick a lane.

It's amazing how many confirmation you can get by actually testing.

[slick'81]

In 18 days, the US has gone from 70 confirmed cases to 9,236…




its obviously going to get worse before it gets better

[FkLA]

Odds of having severe symptoms due to smoking are about 10-15x higher than non smokers.

damn

[Will Hunting]

Odds of having severe symptoms due to smoking are about 10-15x higher than non smokers.
Anyone in this day and age who still smokes deserves bad health so I’m actually glad to read this. Smokers are selfish disgusting people.

[FkLA]

Anyone in this day and age who still smokes deserves bad health so I’m actually glad to read this. Smokers are selfish disgusting people.

I'm an otherwise great guy though, tbf.

[baseline bum]

damn

If it makes you feel any better, I don't smoke and I have been fucking laid out two days now. :lol

[Will Hunting]

I'm an otherwise great guy though, tbf.
So your someone who doesn’t care if others around you are inhaling the smoke from your cancer sticks?

[slick'81]

If it makes you feel any better, I don't smoke and I have been fucking laid out two days now. :lol


Are you bending over corona baseline?

[Winehole23]

Senate cloture vote on stimulus bill fails, Mitch blames Nancy.

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[ElNono]

Too bad they didn't start that before the holocaust tbh

like or not, they're some resilient mofos, tbh

[baseline bum]

Are you bending over corona baseline?

LOL no man, it's the hotdog and I'm the bun :lol

Still feel worlds better than yesterday though

[Will Hunting]

Senate cloture vote on stimulus bill fails, Mitch blames Nancy.

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Markets are going to crash tomorrow.

[ElNono]

Senate cloture vote on stimulus bill fails, Mitch blames Nancy.

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Let the blame games begin... as usual, the common folk gets screwed over.

[picnroll]

Markets are going to crash tomorrow.

Dow futures down nearly 1000. We’re looking at a stock price last seen in Sept 2016.

[TSA]

Senate cloture vote on stimulus bill fails, Mitch blames Nancy.

1241859973895933952

I’d be okay with a koriwhat death wish on all right about now

[CosmicCowboy]

"All democrats voted no"

Yeah those assholes are really looking out for the common man.:rolleyes

They will play politics right to the bottom. FUCK.

CUE BOUTONS BLAMING IT ON REPUGS.

[FkLA]

If it makes you feel any better, I don't smoke and I have been fucking laid out two days now. :lol

Been following your updates. Glad you are seemingly getting better. Hope you kick its ass, man. :tu


So your someone who doesn’t care if others around you are inhaling the smoke from your cancer sticks?

I smoke in isolation. I guess you could make an argument about it staying on my clothing though. I'm hoping this pandemic motivates me to finally quit, tbh.

[Spurminator]

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[picnroll]

Mitchell needs to shake more Republicans hands.

[Spurminator]

"All democrats voted no"

Yeah those assholes are really looking out for the common man.:rolleyes

They will play politics right to the bottom. FUCK.

CUE BOUTONS BLAMING IT ON REPUGS.

Did you like the bill?

[Winehole23]

I’d be okay with a koriwhat death wish on all right about nowBut for self-quarantining (R)s, the votes were probably there for it.

[ElNono]

"All democrats voted no"

Yeah those assholes are really looking out for the common man.:rolleyes

They will play politics right to the bottom. FUCK.

CUE BOUTONS BLAMING IT ON REPUGS.

Sorry CC, but I'll put the blame squarely on both. There was no point in bringing up this vote to the floor other than to play gamesmanship shit and trigger comments like yours.

They need to stop playing games, both sides, and get shit done.

[Winehole23]

Did you like the bill?CC seldom misses a chance to blame only one side.

[ElNono]

Been following your updates. Glad you are seemingly getting better. Hope you kick its ass, man. :tu

I smoke in isolation. I guess you could make an argument about it staying on my clothing though. I'm hoping this pandemic motivates me to finally quit, tbh.

Bruh, I switched to electronics like 10 years ago. Still get my nicotine kick, no awful smell, no tar on your teeth... better to not smoke at all, but if that can't happen, something to consider.

[TimDunkem]

Didn't Republicans basically go full Repug last night and take out all regulations against stock buybacks and other things? The Dems didn't vote no all of a sudden for no reason.

[Winehole23]

Sorry CC, but I'll put the blame squarely on both. There was no point in bringing up this vote to the floor other than to play gamesmanship shit and trigger comments like yours.

They need to stop playing games, both sides, and get shit done.One idea I've heard is that controversial parts of the bill be voted on separately and whatever both sides roughly agree on passed as soon as possible.

Otherwise the deadlock could go on for some time.

[SnakeBoy]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.

Idk where weebo is getting his numbers, maybe he can provide a link. China study says...


Being male increased the odds of progressing to severe illness by 1.3 times, while smoking made it a little over 1 to 2-and-a-half times more likely. Overall, patients with underlying medical conditions including hypertension, diabetes and cardiovascular disease were 2 to 3 times more likely to progress to severe illness.

Certain conditions raised those odds further: For instance, people with chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder were anywhere from 2-and-a-half to nearly 11 times more likely to get severely ill. Kidney disease is also likely a big risk factor. While the research didn't pinpoint exactly how big that risk is, it's somewhere between 2- and 16-fold.


Greatest risk factor is being old. Being an old smoker pretty guarantees you will have some of the other risk factors.

[TSA]

But for self-quarantining (R)s, the votes were probably there for it.

Not according to your tweet. Fuck them all.

[ElNono]

One idea I've heard is that controversial parts of the bill be voted on separately and whatever both sides roughly agree on passed as soon as possible.

Otherwise the shit we saw for the last week and half on Capitol Hill could go on for some time.

Go for it, we needed this shit yesterday. But here we are, playing games again.

[Winehole23]

Not according to your tweet. Fuck them all.What I think isn't always congruent with RTs. Ymmv.

[picnroll]

It’s a battle between corpirate handouts and putting money in the workers hands. Crisis, no crisis things don’t change. Next phas3 fighting over which state, constituency, lobby gets the money. What works best for the economy, support during the crisis, recovery? Fuck that.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC seldom misses a chance to blame only one side.

When one side unanimously votes no its pretty easy to see which side blocked the covid19 bill.

[TSA]

What I think isn't always congruent with RTs. Ymmv.

Fuck them all. Ymmv.

[Winehole23]

Fuck them all. Ymmv.
60 votes is a tough hurdle. (R)s need to figure out how to get some (D)s onboard.

[Winehole23]

When one side unanimously votes no its pretty easy to see which side blocked the covid19 bill.Maybe there was something in it that wasn't very good. If the (R)s couldn't get a few (D)s on board maybe they need to try harder next time.

[TSA]

It’s a battle between corpirate handouts and putting money in the workers hands. Crisis, no crisis things don’t change. Next phas3 fighting over which state, constituency, lobby gets the money. What works best for the economy, support during the crisis, recovery? Fuck that.

I work in an “essential” industry, I’m able to work from home, my wife is in the same boat. I don’t need any gov bailout but this bullshit at this time pisses me off so much. Get it done for fuck’s sake.

[Spurminator]

When one side unanimously votes no its pretty easy to see which side blocked the covid19 bill.

Yeah but did you think it was a good bill?

[Will Hunting]

"All democrats voted no"

Yeah those assholes are really looking out for the common man.:rolleyes

They will play politics right to the bottom. FUCK.

CUE BOUTONS BLAMING IT ON REPUGS.
Right because Cocaine Mitch wasn’t playing politics first by drafting a bill with zero input from Democrats.

[vy65]

When one side unanimously votes no its pretty easy to see which side blocked the covid19 bill.

This had to be done yesterday. They’re both to blame. When politicians prioritize party over country while the whole country burns, then you have a pretty clear image of “leaders” who don’t give a fuck about the people. They’re all traitors are criminals.

[Thread]

It’s a battle between corpirate handouts and putting money in the workers hands. Crisis, no crisis things don’t change. Next phas3 fighting over which state, constituency, lobby gets the money. What works best for the economy, support during the crisis, recovery? Fuck that.

Precisely. (They) want to do the former. (They) don't want to do the latter.

No rhyme or reason for the differentiation twixt the two acts, inexplicable upon gross examination, but, just as evident as the nose on our face.

[Will Hunting]

McConnell and the Republicans deliberately took as long as possible to draft a bill behind closed doors hoping the Democrats would feel pressured to rubber stamp it in order to meet a deadline.

Propa to the Dems for standing their ground.

[hater]

Any studies of just how at risk smokers are? I'm only 30 but have about 12 years of regular smoking under my belt. Probably an average of 7-10 cigarettes per day over that time.

hope you have a will ma niga

[Spurminator]

McConnell and the Republicans deliberately took as long as possible to draft a bill behind closed doors hoping the Democrats would feel pressured to rubber stamp it in order to meet a deadline.


Wouldn't surprise me at all if R's just did it for the political cache of being able to say the Dems rejected a relief bill. They know half of the country is stupid enough not to care about the details.

[Thread]

This had to be done yesterday. They’re both to blame. When politicians prioritize party over country while the whole country burns, then you have a pretty clear image of “leaders” who don’t give a fuck about the people. They’re all traitors are criminals.

Again, it's because the death count is very manageable. There is no 800 dying a day. That's-a-fact.

So, it's a regular problem where they can snap each other's asses with wet towels & play (beat you to the ignore).

& frankly there is time. (We've) only been off a fortnight (give or take). A check really hasn't been missed yet. & there is the promise of a small stipend boodle for everybody. & most imperatively,,,that stipend is imminent.

[hater]

Again, it's because the death count is very manageable. There is no 800 dying a day. That's-a-fact.

So, it's a regular problem where they can snap each other's asses with wet towels & play (beat you to the ignore).

& frankly there is time. (We've) only been off a fortnight (give or take). A check really hasn't been missed yet. & there is the promise of a small stipend boodle for everybody. & most imperatively,,,that stipend is imminent.

Giuseppe with da goods

[Thread]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if R's just did it for the political cache of being able to say the Dems rejected a relief bill. They know half of the country is stupid enough not to care about the details.

& vice versa. They're BOTH in their element. They're BOTH comfortable now. The death count is "safe" + they've GOT THEIRS & they're positive WE'LL get ours. So, the old tried & true fun can once again be played.

[Spurminator]

Again, it's because the death count is very manageable. There is no 800 dying a day. That's-a-fact.

So, it's a regular problem where they can snap each other's asses with wet towels & play (beat you to the ignore).

& frankly there is time. (We've) only been off a fortnight (give or take). A check really hasn't been missed yet. & there is the promise of a small stipend boodle for everybody. & most imperatively,,,that stipend is imminent.

The death count may be "manageable" but the economic damage is not. Small businesses and workers need relief now.

[Will Hunting]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if R's just did it for the political cache of being able to say the Dems rejected a relief bill. They know half of the country is stupid enough not to care about the details.
They also know the “liberal” media outlets will trip over their own dicks trying to cover it to.

McConnells justification for shutting Dems out of the process made no sense. He said that shutting them out was the fastest way to get something done - the only way that’s true is if the Dems feel the pressure to get something done and rubber stamp it.

[vy65]

The death count may be "manageable" but the economic damage is not. Small businesses and workers need relief now.

The scary thing about the virus isn’t the virus itself

[Winehole23]

The death count may be "manageable" but the economic damage is not. Small businesses and workers need relief now.

The economic hit has already been brutal, but I guess the political price to be paid for inaction, as of today, is tolerable for both sides.

Hope they get something done soon.

[Thread]

The death count may be "manageable" but the economic damage is not. Small businesses and workers need relief now.

That help is imminent, Spurm.

That "relief" preserves the former state of our economy, freeze frames it... "Stay at home, Joe Public. Don't move. Clean the basement, bend the wife over, let the wife strap it on and bend you over if that is your thing. Stay ready. Some day soon your work place will reactivate and you'll report to the same job you had when (it) stopped. You don't have to look for a job. You ain't lost a boodle. You're more or less whole."

[Will Hunting]

The economic hit has already been brutal, but I guess the political price to be paid for inaction, as of today, is tolerable for both sides.

Hope they get something done soon.
The Dems had the choice of either voting approving unnecessary corporate bailouts or being blamed for inaction. I’m glad they chose the latter.

[TSA]

pootin and xi sending help to Italy, cuba and vz, too, Trash sends nothing, probably hates the eye tyes as much as PRsThe boutlicker

https://mobile.twitter.com/mikiebarb/status/1241788448522096650

L3tnH4FGbd0

[FkLA]

Bruh, I switched to electronics like 10 years ago. Still get my nicotine kick, no awful smell, no tar on your teeth... better to not smoke at all, but if that can't happen, something to consider.

I'm not sure you are out of the woods, man. From what I've seen smokers/vapers/e-cigs are all lumped together as being at a higher risk.

It does seem logical that it'd be a bit worse for tobacco smokers though, tbf.


Idk where weebo is getting his numbers, maybe he can provide a link. China study says...

Greatest risk factor is being old. Being an old smoker pretty guarantees you will have some of the other risk factors.
weebo

[hater]

yup Xi and Putin running circles around Orangegutan :lmao

even ma niga Modi posting Namaste shit while Dump embarrasses himself with his daily briefings

- sanitize masks with liquids
- vaccines in 4 months
- get a 2nd flu shot it will help with Corona
- car dealers will start selling ventilators in a couple weeks
- this will dissapear mayically with positive thinking

:lmao

[ElNono]

I'm not sure you are out of the woods, man. From what I've seen smokers/vapers/e-cigs are all lumped together as being at a higher risk.

It does seem logical that it'd be a bit worse for tobacco smokers though, tbf.

Not saying anything about out of the woods, tbh, like I said, the bestest is not to smoke at all.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah but did you think it was a good bill?

The main sticking point seemed to be that the democrats didn't want treasury to be able to use its judgement to allocate the 500 billion in the bill dedicated to saving threatened industries.

[Winehole23]

The Dems had the choice of either voting approving unnecessary corporate bailouts or being blamed for inaction. I’m glad they chose the latter.Looked like a shit bill to me: weak UBI, weak sick pay, means testing poor people, guaranteeing lost wages to corporations without any obligation to keep workers on the payroll, but the thing that stank the most was the half trillion dollar slush fund administered by Mnuchin, who got super-rich on robo-signed foreclosures during the last recession. Half trillion bucks handed out by one guy, with no disclosure for 6 months.

How much you want to bet Mar A Lago is eligible for relief?

Corporate bailouts and assistance to regular citizens should be in separate bills. Holding one hostage to the other is bullshit, but hey, that's politics.

[ElNono]

The main sticking point seemed to be that the democrats didn't want treasury to be able to use its judgement to allocate the 500 billion in the bill dedicated to saving threatened industries.

They also don't feel unemployment protection goes far enough, nor that there's enough protections for the bailout money to be used to do stock buybacks and/or be diverted to pay compensation packages in the top echelon.

[Winehole23]

The main sticking point seemed to be that the democrats didn't want treasury to be able to use its judgement to allocate the 500 billion in the bill dedicated to saving threatened industries.Hotels, cruise companies and casinos don't need saving. Not essential at the moment.

Or do you think thay are?

[hater]

can u imagine Xi or Putin standing on the podium daily promising miracles to their people? :lmao :lmao

this fat bastard is an embarrasment to all americans even me who wasnt even born here :lmao

[FkLA]

Has probably already been posted but jesus christ what an immature child.

https://twitter.com/EdwardTHardy/status/1241865993460150272

[ElNono]

Corporate bailouts and assistance to regular citizens should be in separate bills. Holding one hostage to the other is bullshit, but hey, that's politics.

That makes sense, but you know that while passing regular citizen bailouts is a political no-brainer, corporate handouts are more perilous in this situation... thus one won't pass without using the leverage from the other. Political games.

[picnroll]

Chloroquine May Fight Covid-19—and Silicon Valley’s Into It
https://www.wired.com/story/an-old-malaria-drug-may-fight-covid-19-and-silicon-valleys-into-it/

[ElNono]

All that said, both sides need a timeout, put their bullshit aside and get shit done.

[Winehole23]

That makes sense, but you know that while passing regular citizen bailouts is a political no-brainer, corporate handouts are more perilous in this situation... thus one won't pass without using the leverage from the other. Political games.
Property and profits are privileged over people, that's the American way.

[CosmicCowboy]

Hotels, cruise companies and casinos don't need saving. Not essential at the moment.

Or do you think thay are?

Did the bill specify hotels, cruise ships, and casinos?

As I understand it, no.

It specified a dollar amount and gave the US Treasury the ability to allocate as necessary. You are just spewing talking points.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not saying the bill was perfect, but it reminds me of that old saying about the perfect being the enemy of the good

[ChumpDumper]

The boutlicker

https://mobile.twitter.com/mikiebarb/status/1241788448522096650

L3tnH4FGbd0Damn, you just called Trump a bootlicker.

[hater]

:lmao fighting about money and greed in a pandemic :lmao

USA :lmao

[Will Hunting]

The main sticking point seemed to be that the democrats didn't want treasury to be able to use its judgement to allocate the 500 billion in the bill dedicated to saving threatened industries.
Sounds like a fair criticism to me, I don’t want Mnuchin having unilateral discretion over $500 billion of American tax dollars to hand out to whoever he sees fit.

[hater]

Sounds like a fair criticism to me, I don’t want Mnuchin having unilateral discretion over $500 billion of American tax dollars to hand out to whoever he sees fit.

no shit
he would bail out his buddies

[Will Hunting]

Hotels, cruise companies and casinos don't need saving. Not essential at the moment.

Or do you think thay are?
Cruise companies are awful in general. Labor exploitation, pollution and complete tax avoidance despite Americans being their primary customer base. Letting those companies fail would be a good thing, you’d lose a scarce amount of Americans jobs and you’d keep a lot of tourism dollars in the US.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not saying the bill was perfect, but it reminds me of that old saying about the perfect being the enemy of the good

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds like a fair criticism to me, I don’t want Mnuchin having unilateral discretion over $500 billion of American tax dollars to hand out to whoever he sees fit.That right there is the bullshit. I don't even think the recipients would have to be revealed.

[CosmicCowboy]

And senators would be any better?

[ElNono]

I'm not saying the bill was perfect, but it reminds me of that old saying about the perfect being the enemy of the good

I don't think anybody was looking for perfect. However, it's hard to tell if it even reached 'good' levels without looking at the text.

[ChumpDumper]

And senators would be any better?The transparency is the part I want. Mnuchin is free to make his case who needs the funds right now. Is he?

[ElNono]

They've been negotiating for what, 4+ days? I'm sure there was concessions all around. The real question is why did this go to a vote when Mitch, out of all people, already knew he didn't have the votes to pass.

[ElNono]

Like Wino said, split the bills, vote the aid package for hospitals and workers, there seems to be relative unanimity there. They can negotiate the rest later on.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, they better get their shit together and get something passed tomorrow. The world's economy is falling apart.

[Winehole23]

Did the bill specify hotels, cruise ships, and casinos?

As I understand it, no.

It specified a dollar amount and gave the US Treasury the ability to allocate as necessary. You are just spewing talking points.The President has been talking about targeted relief to the aforementioned. Today.

Mnuchin won't be around long if he doesn't please the boss.

[Will Hunting]

And senators would be any better?
I don’t think any bailout for large industry is urgent right now. They could have removed that part and focused on a bill just for consumers and small businesses but the Republicans seem unwilling to do that without including bailouts for their corporate buddies too.

The airlines for example don’t deserve a bailout imo and the only way I’d give them one is with drastic covenants attached (breaking the big ones up to improve competition, mandatory median pay requirements, etc.).. The last time they got one without any strings attached they used it to buy stock back.

[Spurminator]

The real question is why did this go to a vote when Mitch, out of all people, already knew he didn't have the votes to pass.

It was a PR stunt. So cynical.

[CosmicCowboy]

Like Wino said, split the bills, vote the aid package for hospitals and workers, there seems to be relative unanimity there. They can negotiate the rest later on.

Seems to be unanimous support for the 350 billion small business "forgivable" loans to keep their workers on, too.

[Will Hunting]

Like Wino said, split the bills, vote the aid package for hospitals and workers, there seems to be relative unanimity there. They can negotiate the rest later on.
Exactly. Why is McConnell so hellbent on marrying his desired corporate bailouts with the consumer/worker relief that everyone unanimously agrees we need?

[CosmicCowboy]

I don’t think any bailout for large industry is urgent right now. They could have removed that part and focused on a bill just for consumers and small businesses but the Republicans seem unwilling to do that without including bailouts for their corporate buddies too.

The airlines for example don’t deserve a bailout imo and the only way I’d give them one is with drastic covenants attached (breaking the big ones up to improve competition, mandatory median pay requirements, etc.).. The last time they got one without any strings attached they used it to buy stock back.

Boeing and suppliers are the biggest employer in the US. They are most certainly dead meat with the airlines going down too. The double hit of the 737max fiasco with their airline customers going tits up will be catastrophic to the economy.

[ElNono]

Seems to be unanimous support for the 350 billion small business "forgivable" loans to keep their workers on, too.

Let's do it. Put together the shit they agree on, and send it through.

[Will Hunting]

Boeing and suppliers are the biggest employer in the US. They are most certainly dead meat with the airlines going down too. The double hit of the 737max fiasco with their airline customers going tits up will be catastrophic to the economy.
I don’t think the airlines would go under. They’d declare chapter 11 to stave off creditor lawsuits and by the time it made its way through the courts we’d be back to normal.

If you’re right though then there needs to be stringent restrictions that go along with the bailouts, which I have no confidence Mnuchin would impose. We can’t simply keep giving the same shitily run airlines bailouts every time they recklessly buy stock back and don’t plan for a rainy day.

[ElNono]

The airlines for example don’t deserve a bailout imo and the only way I’d give them one is with drastic covenants attached (breaking the big ones up to improve competition, mandatory median pay requirements, etc.).. The last time they got one without any strings attached they used it to buy stock back.

I dislike airlines a lot, and they provide absolutely terrible service. They deserve everything that's happening to them.

However, they're a big part of our infrastructure and can play a big role in this crisis. Like you said, maybe we need some strings attached, but they have to be bailed out, IMO.

[Will Hunting]

I dislike airlines a lot, and they provide absolutely terrible service. They deserve everything that's happening to them.

However, they're a big part of our infrastructure and can play a big role in this crisis. Like you said, maybe we need some strings attached, but they have to be bailed out, IMO.
If they need a bailout then we should nationalize them and make them a public service.

Before anyone shouts SOCIALISM, propping an industry up with bailouts that has proven incapable of maintaining long term profitability without government intervention is just as socialist as what I’m suggesting.

[hater]

Harvey Weinstein has Coronavirus

Poor bastard

[boutons_deux]

Lupus Patients Can’t Get Crucial Medication After President Trump Pushes Unproven Coronavirus Treatment

Trump’s unproven claim that hydroxychloroquine could be used to treat COVID-19 h

as led to hoarding,

putting Lupus patients and others at even greater risk.

As of Saturday afternoon, Anna Valdez had 27 pills left. That number is now down to 25.

Valdez called her local pharmacy and ordered a refill to treat her autoimmune disorder,

thinking a 90-day supply would help her ride out the coronavirus outbreak.

But the pharmacy told her it had only 10 pills left. Valdez called other pharmacies. They, too, had run out.

https://www.propublica.org/article/lupus-patients-cant-get-crucial-medication-after-president-trump-pushes-unproven-coronavirus-treatment (https://www.propublica.org/article/lupus-patients-cant-get-crucial-medication-after-president-trump-pushes-unproven-coronavirus-treatment)

Everything Trash touches turns to shit

[weebo]

I'm not sure you are out of the woods, man. From what I've seen smokers/vapers/e-cigs are all lumped together as being at a higher risk.

It does seem logical that it'd be a bit worse for tobacco smokers though, tbf.


weebo

"Another study, which has been published online in the Chinese Medical Journal, involved 78 patients with COVID-19 and found that those with a history of smoking were 14 times as likely to develop pneumonia."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/smoking-or-vaping-may-increase-the-risk-of-a-severe-coronavirus-infection1/

[DarrinS]

All that said, both sides need a timeout, put their bullshit aside and get shit done.

This

[boutons_deux]

The boutlicker



I posted an article by an virus expert who said, his words, China FUCKED everybody by how it mishandled the outbreak.

Which is totally different issue from Xi helping Italy.

Xi and Pootin gaining influence and good will by helping Italy, while Trash executes Pootin's goals of degradation, isolation, fucking up of America

[DarrinS]

"Another study, which has been published online in the Chinese Medical Journal, involved 78 patients with COVID-19 and found that those with a history of smoking were 14 times as likely to develop pneumonia."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/smoking-or-vaping-may-increase-the-risk-of-a-severe-coronavirus-infection1/


I'm probably fucked then. I'm a pretty heavy smoker, but have never had a respiratory infection in my life. I've only had the flu twice. I better be careful about this one.

I'm 50, don't have hypertension, and I weigh less than I did in high school. Just north of 150 lbs right now.

[CosmicCowboy]

I dislike airlines a lot, and they provide absolutely terrible service. They deserve everything that's happening to them.

However, they're a big part of our infrastructure and can play a big role in this crisis. Like you said, maybe we need some strings attached, but they have to be bailed out, IMO.

The GM model (as designed by the US Treasury last time) would seem appropriate. Bail them out, take stock, and sell it later after they recover.

[vy65]

If they need a bailout then we should nationalize them and make them a public service.

Before anyone shouts SOCIALISM, propping an industry up with bailouts that has proven incapable of maintaining long term profitability without government intervention is just as socialist as what I’m suggesting.

Not that the socialism part bothers me, but nationalizing airlines might be the only way to make air travel an even worse experience than it already is.

[slick'81]

I'm probably fucked then. I'm a pretty heavy smoker, but have never had a respiratory infection in my life. I've only had the flu twice. I better be careful about this one.



I'm 50, don't have hypertension, and I weigh less than I did in high school. Just north of 150 lbs right now.


damn bruh! 50 and a heavy smoker? Yea if this doesnt get you to quit then nothing will

[CosmicCowboy]

Lupus Patients Can’t Get Crucial Medication After President Trump Pushes Unproven Coronavirus Treatment

Trump’s unproven claim that hydroxychloroquine could be used to treat COVID-19 h

as led to hoarding,

putting Lupus patients and others at even greater risk.

As of Saturday afternoon, Anna Valdez had 27 pills left. That number is now down to 25.

Valdez called her local pharmacy and ordered a refill to treat her autoimmune disorder,

thinking a 90-day supply would help her ride out the coronavirus outbreak.

But the pharmacy told her it had only 10 pills left. Valdez called other pharmacies. They, too, had run out.

https://www.propublica.org/article/lupus-patients-cant-get-crucial-medication-after-president-trump-pushes-unproven-coronavirus-treatment (https://www.propublica.org/article/lupus-patients-cant-get-crucial-medication-after-president-trump-pushes-unproven-coronavirus-treatment)

Everything Trash touches turns to shit




Who stole the pills?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/TDotChic23/status/1241856187458560000?s=20

called it

national embarrasment

we are so dead

[ElNono]

Just crossed 34k cases in the US... 431 deaths... still holding up to ~1.2%...

[Trainwreck2100]

Like Wino said, split the bills, vote the aid package for hospitals and workers, there seems to be relative unanimity there. They can negotiate the rest later on.

McConnell will never do that because he of all people knows how the minority party can fuck the majority by forcing concessions, he did it for the early obama years. Dems should absolutely do to him what he did to them over the years.

[Will Hunting]

The GM model (as designed by the US Treasury last time) would seem appropriate. Bail them out, take stock, and sell it later after they recover.
Id be ok with that as long as it’s pref stock with an 8% dividend that accrues.

[ElNono]

McConnell will never do that because he of all people knows how the minority party can fuck the majority by forcing concessions, he did it for the early obama years. Dems should absolutely do to him what he did to them over the years.

You know what? They can play that game over non-essential shit. Right now, both of them need to sit down, check what they agree on, put it in paper, and pass it in the middle of night.

[hater]

dow futures -900 points and they have shut down futures market :lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

You know what? They can play that game over non-essential shit. Right now, both of them need to sit down, check what they agree on, put it in paper, and pass it in the middle of night.

Yeah, but Mitch would never do that.

[ElNono]

BTW, was reading what the bailout for auto-makers was back in '08... $20 billion. Remember all the whining and complaining about det one? Socialism! etc... pales in comparison to this shit.

[Will Hunting]

BTW, was reading what the bailout for auto-makers was back in '08... $20 billion. Remember all the whining and complaining about det one? Socialism! etc... pales in comparison to this shit.
Yeah Cocaine Mitch made it damn near impossible to pass a <$1 trillion bailout but with a Republican in office he’s ready to open up the coffers and hand out $2 - $3 trillion of free shit.

[Winehole23]

dow futures -900 points and they have shut down futures market :lmaoCurbs in on overnight trading? Has that ever happened before?

[ElNono]

Yeah Cocaine Mitch made it damn near impossible to pass a <$1 trillion bailout but with a Republican in office he’s ready to open up the coffers and hand out $2 - $3 trillion of free shit.

I miss cash for clunkers :cry

[Reck]

People are getting the memo here in NY. Staying home en masse. It's fucking up my internet speed though. It's getting overloaded.

I'm barely getting 65mb download which is fine for browsing the net but when I fire up Netflix or even youtube the shit buffers for at least 5 seconds every 20 seconds or so and that's just lowering the quality to 720p. :lol

[Thread]

dow futures -900 points and they have shut down futures market :lmao

& what did your old dad tell ya's over a fortnight ago? Yep...I told ya's..."There is no floor. This-will-not-stop."

[DMC]

Yeah Cocaine Mitch made it damn near impossible to pass a <$1 trillion bailout but with a Republican in office he’s ready to open up the coffers and hand out $2 - $3 trillion of free shit.

These people want to use this blood letting to take care of their friends. You know any aid package will have some pork tied to it.

[CosmicCowboy]

McConnell will never do that because he of all people knows how the minority party can fuck the majority by forcing concessions, he did it for the early obama years. Dems should absolutely do to him what he did to them over the years.

Yeah, let's really show em. Fuck passing anything. Let's get even for 10 year old slights.

[Winehole23]

BTW, was reading what the bailout for auto-makers was back in '08... $20 billion. Remember all the whining and complaining about det one? Socialism! etc... pales in comparison to this shit.Some of them grousing about Dem obstruction in this thread, but hey, it can be good for people to evolve over time. That was eleven years ago, the President today is white and Republican.

[DMC]

People are getting the memo here in NY. Staying home en masse. It's fucking up my internet speed though. It's getting overloaded.

I'm barely getting 65mb download which is fine for browsing the net but when I fire up Netflix or even youtube the shit buffers for at least 5 seconds every 20 seconds or so and that's just lowering the quality to 720p. :lol

Damn. I never thought it would get this bad.

[Will Hunting]

These people want to use this blood letting to take care of their friends. You know any aid package will have some pork tied to it.
The Republicans are the ones insisting on tying pork to it.

[Blake]

Has probably already been posted but jesus christ what an immature child.

https://twitter.com/EdwardTHardy/status/1241865993460150272

This idiot would have the upcoming election all locked up if he were to shut the fuck up with the politicking and just be a damn leader focused on the immediate needs of this nation.

W turned out to be a babbling idiot but after 9/11 he had the whole country rallied around him.

[DarrinS]

People are getting the memo here in NY. Staying home en masse. It's fucking up my internet speed though. It's getting overloaded.

I'm barely getting 65mb download which is fine for browsing the net but when I fire up Netflix or even youtube the shit buffers for at least 5 seconds every 20 seconds or so and that's just lowering the quality to 720p. :lol


Happening everwhere, tbh

[DMX7]

This idiot would have the upcoming election all locked up if he were to shut the fuck up with the politicking and just be a damn leader focused on the immediate needs of this nation.

W turned out to be a babbling idiot but after 9/11 he had the whole country rallied around him.

He has no chance of reelection. People put up with it when the stock market was soaring and there was no crisis, but now that’s over.

[DMC]

The Republicans are the ones insisting on tying pork to it.

Of course.

[DMX7]

Happening everwhere, tbh

Not for me. I’m still watching YouTube in 4K. :lol

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1241840803040956424?s=20

[ElNono]

These people want to use this blood letting to take care of their friends. You know any aid package will have some pork tied to it.

Don't forget sweet campaign money is on the line here too in this bailout, tbh...

[Isitjustme?]

Bad day for the Republicans and Democrsts are the same crowd when even Joe Manchin is going off like this 1241860777260302339

[Monostradamus]

Yeah, let's really show em. Fuck passing anything. Let's get even for 10 year old slights.
Remember that when it’s your team on the other side.

[Sheriff Hoyt]

1241899940835622912

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1241840803040956424?s=20

:lol secret sauces

This seems weird considering Nancy not only negotiated with Mnuchin a week ago, but also passed the first bill signed by Trump on this.

I think both sides need to stop with the media play, not the time for this.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1241855692815949832?s=20

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1241864544353275905?s=20

We can't even come together during a pandemic. The US splitting apart is becoming even more inevitable.:clap