Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[pgardn]

lol no they don't

Amazing at this point some of you are still thinking this virus is going to go away

YES they do.
You are telling me the vaccines do Zero in preventing live/infection capable virus from being transmitted from vaccinated people?
Thats dead wrong. You are just flat out wrong.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with the virus going away fred.
It has to do with creating very SMALL POPULATIONS of virus transmission so that mutations and variants are LESS likely to arise. Keep coming Dr. SNAKE.

[pgardn]

YES they do.
You are telling me the vaccines do Zero in preventing live/infection capable virus from being transmitted from vaccinated people?
Thats dead wrong. You are just flat out wrong.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with the virus going away fred.
It has to do with creating very SMALL POPULATIONS of virus transmission so that mutations and variants are LESS likely to arise. Keep coming Dr. SNAKE.
Edit my bad:
I now realize the definition of sterilizing immunity is not causing infection in a vaccinated person.
I was referring to the fact that immunized people are much less likely to release reproductively capable viral particles.

And this is why it is so important to get vaccinated.

Ah. I now I find some places are defining this term differently. But I think it is officially not causing infection in a vaccinated person. Which does make complete sense because vaccinated individuals CAN and do get infected, they just are much less likely to produce capable virus that causes bad symptoms because their immune system was already primed to fight it. And very very infrequently pass reproductively capable virus to other, which is the reason for the effort to vaccinate large number of people. (all based on info to this date)

[Winehole23]

Edit my bad:
I now realize the definition of sterilizing immunity is not causing infection in a vaccinated person.
I was referring to the fact that immunized people are much less likely to release reproductively capable viral particles.

And this is why it is so important to get vaccinated.

Ah. I know I find some places are defining this term differently. But I think it is officially not causing infection in a vaccinated person. Which does make complete sense because vaccinated individuals CAN and do get infected, they just dont produce capable virus that causes bad cases because their immune system was already primed to fight it. And very infrequently pass reproductively capable virus to other, which is the reason for the effort to vaccinate large number of people.fwiw, contact tracing in Israel has identified chains of infection that passed through multiple (n=12, I think) fully vaccinated people before infecting more unvaccinated people.

IIRC, kids brought it home from school, starting the chain.

[pgardn]

fwiw, contact tracing in Israel has identified chains of infection that passed through multiple (n=12, I think) fully vaccinated people before infecting more unvaccinated people.

IIRC, kids brought it home from school, starting the chain.

Yeah I saw that. And I dont see how they cannot rule out other intervening cases. Contact tracing does not really help say who it definitely came from, as much as it gets information on who it did not likely come from.
But I do not see significant data here at all. Breakthroughs are still rare and have come mostly in cases involving a likely heavy dose from a "loaded" infected individual on a vaccinated individual.
Was Israel using one particular vaccine?

And the definition of sterilizing immunity is a really bad one from an actual biological mechanism point of view. There is no clear cut off point.

Sterilizing immunity is a unique immune status, which prevents effective virus infection into the host. It is different from the immunity that allows infection but with subsequent successful eradication of the virus.

The bolded is not explained with biological definition at all. Not surprising, either is the word alive.

[pgardn]

And also there is no doubt in my mind with as many people that were vaccinated, some people did not get active vaccine. There were definitely some ineffective stock of vaccine.

[Winehole23]

Yeah I saw that. And I dont see how they cannot rule out other intervening cases. Contact tracing does not really help say who it definitely came from, as much as it gets information on who it did not likely come from.
But I do not see significant data here at all. Breakthroughs are still rare and have come mostly in cases involving a likely heavy dose from a "loaded" infected individual on a vaccinated individual.
Was Israel using one particular vaccine?

They're mostly using the Pfizer vaccine (Pfizer is conducting the national study, along with the Health Ministry), but others are in the mix and being monitored. Because of the national scale of the study, the intensiveness of contact tracing, and the degree/relative uniformity of vaccination, the data from Israel is (reportedly) very robust.

[Winehole23]

of course, the robustness does not rule out anything

[pgardn]

They're mostly using the Pfizer vaccine (Pfizer is conducting the national study, along with the Health Ministry), but others are in the mix and being monitored. Because of the national scale of the study, the intensiveness of contact tracing, and the degree/relative uniformity of vaccination, the data from Israel is (reportedly) very robust.

Yes I just saw that.
Thanks.

I would be dubious of the contact tracing like I said. Its easier to cross someone off a list that say they were a contributor.
But this is definitely something to keep tabs on. And it is unique. So unique that I would look at the Pfizer lot. The degree of relative uniformity could be uniformly bad if it was uniformly bad lots. But this is highly unlikely. Smaller number of people involved. But still worrisome.

[Winehole23]

The Darrin rodeo. I'll let someone else play.No need to play, Darrin gets bucked off way before the buzzer damn near every time.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7R0I2HVoAA2av1?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Winehole23]

pretty dam serious

[Winehole23]

“It’s actually quite dramatic how the growth rate will change,” says Dr. Wilson. Delta is spreading 50% faster than Alpha, which was 50% more contagious than the original strain of SARS-CoV-2, he says. “In a completely unmitigated environment—where no one is vaccinated or wearing masks—it’s estimated that the average person infected with the original coronavirus strain will infect 2.5 other people,” Dr. Wilson says. “In the same environment, Delta would spread from one person to maybe 3.5 or 4 other people.”https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid

[Winehole23]

organ damage and permanent impairment seem to be thematic.


Many COVID-19 survivors are likely to be at greater risk of developing mental illness, psychiatrists said on Monday, after a large study found 20% of those infected with the coronavirus are diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder within 90 days.


Anxiety, depression and insomnia were most common among recovered COVID-19 patients in the study who developed mental health problems. The researchers from Britain's Oxford University also found significantly higher risks of dementia, a brain impairment condition.
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27P35N

[Winehole23]

it ain't all about death and hospitalization y'all.

everyday disability and suffering still count.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27P35N

[Thread]

it ain't all about death and hospitalization y'all.

everyday disability and suffering still count.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27P35N

It's all about the death count, Winester, and your mother fucker Biden now has 228k of dead Americans on his side the COVID Death Ledger.

- "Welcome to the party, pal!!!"
- Willis - "Die Hard"

[ElNono]

A program to aid the economy brings Mexican workers into San Diego for vaccinations.

TIJUANA — On a recent morning, hundreds of Mexican workers from the factories here, known as maquiladoras, were waved across the border into San Diego, without visas or passports, and rolled up their sleeves to be vaccinated against Covid-19. An hour later, they were back on production lines in Tijuana.

The goal was to protect not just the workers, but also the intertwined U.S. and Mexican economies.

“If the maquiladoras can’t operate, then we don’t get our Coca-Cola,” said Lydia Ikeda, the senior director of Covid operations at the University California San Diego Health, which is helping run the program. “We cannot be isolated.”

The cross-border vaccination effort is meant to remedy the kind of disparity in access to the vaccine that economists have warned could keep a robust global economic rebound out of reach.

The Biden administration has pledged to send 80 million doses to other nations, including four million for Mexico.

Along the U.S.-Mexico border, however, a pandemic border closure and a dearth of vaccines in Mexico have threatened to keep local economic recovery at bay. And officials from both nations have found a way to share surplus vaccines from Texas and California with Mexicans on the other side.

“We are divided by a virtual line,” Dr. Ikeda said, gesturing to the border. “To get them vaccinated is the only way for us to get out of the pandemic.”

The idea of vaccinating workers just across the border occurred to Carlos González Gutiérrez, Mexico’s consul general in San Diego, when he watched as college students and undocumented workers plucking berries in California’s fields received the vaccines with relative ease while Mexico struggled to provide them for its older people.

Mr. González reached out to San Diego County officials, who had seen the closure of the border in March 2020 damage the region’s once-thriving economy, with a proposal: Why not give excess vaccines nearing expiration to the thousands of Mexicans factory workers just across the border?

Soon, Mexican and U.S. officials agreed that San Diego’s excess vaccines, all Johnson & Johnson, would be sold to American companies with factories in Mexico. By May, San Diego County had received permission from the federal government — which owns the vaccines — to sell the shots, and worked with the Department of Homeland Security to allow Mexicans without visas to cross the border to receive them.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/27/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

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Future Old Joe voters... :tu

[hater]

:lmao Cuomonme

https://twitter.com/AdventurerVega/status/1419741530076729347?s=19

[boutons_deux]

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Future Old Joe voters... :tu

non-citizens can't vote

[Winehole23]

1418904217553719305

[Winehole23]

“We’re following about 700 patients here at McGovern. We’ve looked and found dramatic increases in brain injury markers in the blood of people with COVID,” said Dr. McCullough, MD, PhD, chair of Neurology at UTHealth. (https://med.uth.edu/neurology/faculty/louise-d-mccullough-md-phd/)https://www.wltx.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-causes-brain-damage-even-in-mild-cases/285-eec1cf1c-ee28-4601-8af2-df71252fd340

[Thread]

A program to aid the economy brings Mexican workers into San Diego for vaccinations.

TIJUANA — On a recent morning, hundreds of Mexican workers from the factories here, known as maquiladoras, were waved across the border into San Diego, without visas or passports, and rolled up their sleeves to be vaccinated against Covid-19. An hour later, they were back on production lines in Tijuana.

The goal was to protect not just the workers, but also the intertwined U.S. and Mexican economies.

“If the maquiladoras can’t operate, then we don’t get our Coca-Cola,” said Lydia Ikeda, the senior director of Covid operations at the University California San Diego Health, which is helping run the program. “We cannot be isolated.”

The cross-border vaccination effort is meant to remedy the kind of disparity in access to the vaccine that economists have warned could keep a robust global economic rebound out of reach.

The Biden administration has pledged to send 80 million doses to other nations, including four million for Mexico.

Along the U.S.-Mexico border, however, a pandemic border closure and a dearth of vaccines in Mexico have threatened to keep local economic recovery at bay. And officials from both nations have found a way to share surplus vaccines from Texas and California with Mexicans on the other side.

“We are divided by a virtual line,” Dr. Ikeda said, gesturing to the border. “To get them vaccinated is the only way for us to get out of the pandemic.”

The idea of vaccinating workers just across the border occurred to Carlos González Gutiérrez, Mexico’s consul general in San Diego, when he watched as college students and undocumented workers plucking berries in California’s fields received the vaccines with relative ease while Mexico struggled to provide them for its older people.

Mr. González reached out to San Diego County officials, who had seen the closure of the border in March 2020 damage the region’s once-thriving economy, with a proposal: Why not give excess vaccines nearing expiration to the thousands of Mexicans factory workers just across the border?

Soon, Mexican and U.S. officials agreed that San Diego’s excess vaccines, all Johnson & Johnson, would be sold to American companies with factories in Mexico. By May, San Diego County had received permission from the federal government — which owns the vaccines — to sell the shots, and worked with the Department of Homeland Security to allow Mexicans without visas to cross the border to receive them.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/27/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

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Future Old Joe voters... :tu

...that mother fucker.

[Winehole23]

revised mask guidance coming today

1420043125309980677

[Thread]

revised mask guidance coming today

1420043125309980677

Mother fucker Biden responsible for the death of 228k of Americans & counting, Winester.

Let us proceed...

[pgardn]

Mother fucker Biden responsible for the death of 228k of Americans & counting, Winester.

Let us proceed...

The red team started the anti mask and vacc movement.
That is still going strong, even on this board.
It falls in YOUR lap. You voted for a snakeoil salesman.

"A cure exists right underneath the kitchen counter, we are right around the corner, no worries, poof its gone."

History says you own this.
You sleep with this, you make love to this pandemic thinking and the problems.
Easiest thing for you is to go derp and call it a hoax.

[Thread]

The red team started the anti mask and vacc movement.
That is still going strong, even on this board.
It falls in YOUR lap. You voted for a snakeoil salesman.

"A cure exists right underneath the kitchen counter, we are right around the corner, no worries, poof its gone."

History says you own this.
You sleep with this, you make love to this pandemic thinking and the problems.
Easiest thing for you is to go derp and call it a hoax.

Mother fucker Biden responsible for the death of 228k of Americans & counting, peeg.

Let us proceed...

[ElNono]

non-citizens can't vote

Time to make them citizens then ;)

[hater]

Time to make them citizens then ;)

:tu :tu

The only hope USA has is making the millions of hard working latinos american citizens :tu

Otherwise this nation is going to.the dustbin of.history

[boutons_deux]

Nerve damage in cornea could be sign of 'long COVID,'

https://www.livescience.com/nerve-damage-cornea-long-covid.html

[TSA]

The red team started the anti mask and vacc movement.
That is still going strong, even on this board.
It falls in YOUR lap. You voted for a snakeoil salesman.

"A cure exists right underneath the kitchen counter, we are right around the corner, no worries, poof its gone."

History says you own this.
You sleep with this, you make love to this pandemic thinking and the problems.
Easiest thing for you is to go derp and call it a hoax.

“I’m not that confident. You’re going to say to the American people now, ‘Here’s a vaccine, it was new, it was done quickly, but trust this federal administration and their health administration that it’s safe? And we’re not 100 percent sure of the consequences.’ I think it’s going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be.”

“Frankly, I’m not going to trust the federal government’s opinion, and I wouldn’t recommend it to New Yorkers, based on the federal government’s opinion.”

[Thread]

“I’m not that confident. You’re going to say to the American people now, ‘Here’s a vaccine, it was new, it was done quickly, but trust this federal administration and their health administration that it’s safe? And we’re not 100 percent sure of the consequences.’ I think it’s going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be.”

“Frankly, I’m not going to trust the federal government’s opinion, and I wouldn’t recommend it to New Yorkers, based on the federal government’s opinion.”

Estranged from the old TSA as I am...

Tell it, TSA.

Testify!!!

[ChumpDumper]

“I’m not that confident. You’re going to say to the American people now, ‘Here’s a vaccine, it was new, it was done quickly, but trust this federal administration and their health administration that it’s safe? And we’re not 100 percent sure of the consequences.’ I think it’s going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be.”

“Frankly, I’m not going to trust the federal government’s opinion, and I wouldn’t recommend it to New Yorkers, based on the federal government’s opinion.”TSA lies by omission.

"We're going to put together our own review committee headed by the Department of Health to review the vaccine, and I'm appointing a committee that is going to come up with a vaccine distribution and implementation plan on how we will do it. New York's response to COVID has been a model for this country, and we should also be the model vaccination program for the country."

The Vaccine Distribution and Implementation Task Force will develop a plan for vaccine administration that will include:

Prioritization of vaccine recipients based solely on clinical guidance
Distribution network capable of providing two doses of vaccine to all New Yorkers
Qualified professionals and organizations to administer the vaccine
Data and IT infrastructure for scheduling appointments and tracking program metrics
Public education regarding vaccination program
Procurement of necessary supplies and equipment

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-clinical-advisory-task-force-and-vaccine-distribution-and

TSA lies.

It's all he can do.

It's the only thing Trump supporters WANT to do.

Look, Cuomo's a piece of shit without having to lie about him but you sore pussy losers can't help yourselves.

[boutons_deux]

Andy Borowitz (https://www.facebook.com/andyborowitz?__cft__[0]=AZXRURzpUq_7dxiylzGEl9IzRkqixNqiB2JopbRs9PrbRYHex LekLUy8q495Iv7U-iSXLsrby89xyfoiWgslr5Mai45W0niL5W4vcy2Q_NaFju8LC4z frlzOXnW-h2MkBrE65eRW4mqyXKIMVZREtNReZVxlzNlU8MSM-AS6GibnxgchrKAW81-3lOs1ovsMdQTPSW2NgEI50RNJgClbKZgF&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R)

CDC Attempt To Overcome Hesitancy By Rebranding Vaccines As Guns

[Thread]

Andy Borowitz (https://www.facebook.com/andyborowitz?__cft__[0]=AZXRURzpUq_7dxiylzGEl9IzRkqixNqiB2JopbRs9PrbRYHex LekLUy8q495Iv7U-iSXLsrby89xyfoiWgslr5Mai45W0niL5W4vcy2Q_NaFju8LC4z frlzOXnW-h2MkBrE65eRW4mqyXKIMVZREtNReZVxlzNlU8MSM-AS6GibnxgchrKAW81-3lOs1ovsMdQTPSW2NgEI50RNJgClbKZgF&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R)

CDC Attempt To Overcome Hesitancy By Rebranding Vaccines As Guns



You're finding out that it ain't quite as much fun counting coup on mother fucker Biden as it was on President Trump.

Just shows ta go ya.

[TSA]

The red team started the anti mask and vacc movement.
That is still going strong, even on this board.
It falls in YOUR lap. You voted for a snakeoil salesman.

"A cure exists right underneath the kitchen counter, we are right around the corner, no worries, poof its gone."

History says you own this.
You sleep with this, you make love to this pandemic thinking and the problems.
Easiest thing for you is to go derp and call it a hoax.

New York Gov. Cuomo 'not that confident' in FDA's vaccine approval process

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he's not confident in the Food and Drug Administration's approval process for a COVID-19 vaccine, and that the American public shouldn't be either.

"I'm not that confident, but my opinion doesn't matter. I don't believe the American people are that confident," Cuomo told ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos in an interview Monday on "Good Morning America."

"I think it's going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be," he added.

Cuomo said he plans to assemble a group of doctors and medical experts to review any COVID-19 vaccine approved by the FDA before affirming its efficacy and safety for New York state residents.

"But I believe all across the country you're going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it's safe," he said, before adding that the two federal agencies don't "have any credibility."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=73690382&cid=social_twitter_abcn#73692510

[ChumpDumper]

New York Gov. Cuomo 'not that confident' in FDA's vaccine approval process

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he's not confident in the Food and Drug Administration's approval process for a COVID-19 vaccine, and that the American public shouldn't be either.

"I'm not that confident, but my opinion doesn't matter. I don't believe the American people are that confident," Cuomo told ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos in an interview Monday on "Good Morning America."

"I think it's going to be a very skeptical American public about taking the vaccine, and they should be," he added.

Cuomo said he plans to assemble a group of doctors and medical experts to review any COVID-19 vaccine approved by the FDA before affirming its efficacy and safety for New York state residents.

"But I believe all across the country you're going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it's safe," he said, before adding that the two federal agencies don't "have any credibility."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/coronavirus/?id=73690382&cid=social_twitter_abcn#73692510
Trump destroyed their credibility.

Why do you insist on acting like he never existed?

And 57% of New Yorkers are fully vaccinated.

Did Cuomo scare off all the people in Arkansas and Alabama who would've gotten the vaccine had they not followed his lead as those people must do?

[TSA]

The red team started the anti mask and vacc movement.
That is still going strong, even on this board.
It falls in YOUR lap. You voted for a snakeoil salesman.

"A cure exists right underneath the kitchen counter, we are right around the corner, no worries, poof its gone."

History says you own this.
You sleep with this, you make love to this pandemic thinking and the problems.
Easiest thing for you is to go derp and call it a hoax.

"Democratic politicians raising concerns about how quickly coronavirus vaccines could be rolled out to the public appear to be bolstering anti-vax groups. By highlighting issues around the vaccine development process, politicians on the left may be inadvertently increasing skepticism among the wider public."

"around the middle of August—when the Trump administration began suggesting a vaccine may be ready before the November 3 election—Democratic leaders started voicing skepticism about the development process for the first time. And concerns about the speed at which vaccines are being developed, and the potential for their release via Emergency Use Authorization (EUA,) have now been raised by many political leaders."

At the start of September, Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said she would not trust President Donald Trump's word alone that any vaccine developed is safe and efficient.

A week later, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden made similar remarks during a speech in Delaware, saying, "I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don't trust Donald Trump."

Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the United States House of Representatives, has said any vaccine must meet safety standards before being released if it is to be accepted by the public.

"Unless there is confidence that the vaccine has gone through the clinical trials, and then is approved by the independent scientific advisory committee, as established to do just this, there will be doubts that people will have."

According to a survey from the Pew Research Center carried out between September 8 and 13, half of U.S. adults now say they probably or definitely would not get a vaccine to prevent COVID-19, if it were available today.

While vaccine skepticism was still higher among Republicans—as it has been historically—there was a marked increase among Democrats. In May, 50 percent said they would "definitely" get the vaccine. By September, this had fallen to 24 percent.

https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-covid-trust-skepticism-democrat-politicization-1535559

[ChumpDumper]

So the Democrats were always pro-vaccine.:lol

[Adam Lambert]

Gosh it's a good thing I never voted for Andrew Cuomo or spent four years pushing retarded conspiracy theories to try to help him get elected, I'd probably feel pretty stupid right now.

[TSA]

(winces)

No, not really. Mutations are much more likely higher virus counts. More viruses = more chances for mutation

Vaccinated people's immune system kills the virus very quickly, preventing a lot of virus load, in addition to being sicker for a shorter period of time.

Sorry, in addition to being cesspools of stupidity, conservative areas that aren't vaccinating are also cesspools for mutation.

Their stupidity could end up killing me or you.

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1420024393263206407

[RandomGuy]

Biden is following the science.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full.pdf

Critical thinking time.

What kind of masks did they study?

and under what specific conditions did they evaluate the efficacy of masks?

[RandomGuy]

(winces)

No, not really. Mutations are much more likely higher virus counts. More viruses = more chances for mutation

Vaccinated people's immune system kills the virus very quickly, preventing a lot of virus load, in addition to being sicker for a shorter period of time.

Sorry, in addition to being cesspools of stupidity, conservative areas that aren't vaccinating are also cesspools for mutation.

Their stupidity could end up killing me or you.


https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1420024393263206407

and?

Do you think that tweet contradicts anything I said?

[RandomGuy]

[Democrats didn't Trump trumps word and worried that he might unduly rush a vaccine before it was adequately tested]


Given how much Trump lied, and pushed for things that benefitted him personally over the good of the country, that seems a reasonable stance. :clap

[boutons_deux]

Given how much Trump lied, and pushed for things that benefitted him personally over the good of the country, that seems a reasonable stance. :clap

He wanted a vaccine well before the election so he could claim credit and victory, not to save health and lives.

[Thread]

Critical thinking time.

What kind of masks did they study?

and under what specific conditions did they evaluate the efficacy of masks?

"A piece of gauze proved worthless."

100 years ago.

[spurraider21]

Time to make them citizens then ;)
:tu

wifey just submitted N-400 yesterday

[pgardn]

:tu

wifey just submitted N-400 yesterday

A good friend of mine from England just got his green card and married an American girl so 3-5 years citizenship possibly.
A plus he is a science guy working with carbon capture for a geology group.
Good stuff:toast

Expensive horribly slow process though.

[boutons_deux]

Biden Considers Banning Vaccine to Persuade People to Get It

“We must eliminate the scourge of vaccination once and for all,” the President said.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/biden-considers-banning-vaccine-to-convince-people-to-get-it
(https://www.facebook.com/coronavirus_info/?page_source=covid_vaccine_faxit&hoisted_module_type=covid_vaccine_development&__cft__[0]=AZV1iNsBAYoOAAwtafVPVqjjFV9Y5njjAMcdt7uaIxu06y1O5 tdIpI3U9aOdFUcMcCQL_JOZIwLeUt7qCjxvkYJYantxaLn5dfz ByvcucJwq08VDUK7qlkf2oMzI47ADb5JSCxmKXaNYLLNd8vk0U 2OFH9du2W6C0lB9qOMH7pffAb1lrrSAQxSHxp_BwwaJBDORTdD ZeLtN_APj9_jM2UeZ&__tn__=*W-R)

[hater]

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1420024393263206407

Lol

[ElNono]

:tu

wifey just submitted N-400 yesterday

Congrats... that's the final stretch. What's the fee up to these days?

[hater]

Congrats... that's the final stretch. What's the fee up to these days?

Its a couple grand I think. My sister just married a loser gringo :lol

[ElNono]

Its a couple grand I think. My sister just married a loser gringo :lol

:lol damn... used to be 1.2k way back when

[hater]

:lol damn... used to be 1.2k way back when

Its most likely a lot more w lawyers fees etc. I think baseline is at least 2k

[hater]

Damn so old ppl and sick are still fucked after vaccine

https://twitter.com/jhengstler/status/1420118527189549057?s=19

So much for protecting the elder and sick

[hater]

https://twitter.com/JohnJew40051316/status/1420133218007883776?s=19

[spurraider21]

Congrats... that's the final stretch. What's the fee up to these days?
$725

Tho was pleasantly surprised you can basically fill the form through their online portal instead of having to fill out a PDF and mail it, like the other steps so far

[ChumpDumper]

Damn so old ppl and sick are still fucked after vaccine

https://twitter.com/jhengstler/status/1420118527189549057?s=19

So much for protecting the elder and sickYou having trouble reading that graph?

[Thread]

You having trouble reading that graph?

Boiled down:::

Mother fucker Biden has 228k of dead Americans on his side of the COVID Death Ledger.

[hater]

As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus. Walensky said that the data was "concerning enough that we feel like we have to act."

[Thread]

As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus. Walensky said that the data was "concerning enough that we feel like we have to act."

hater & Spurts, one of the greatest tag teams since the Fabulous Kangaroos!!!

[hater]

There is no end goal. We are just throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks. Masks, no masks, double mask, tripple mask, vaccine, 2 shots, booster shots, unlimited shots, more shit, more shit, fling more shit

https://twitter.com/PotatoOfReason/status/1419845499146883076?s=19

[ElNono]

$725

Tho was pleasantly surprised you can basically fill the form through their online portal instead of having to fill out a PDF and mail it, like the other steps so far

Damn, that's new... Old Joe putting in the work, getting ready to issue amnesty...

[ElNono]

As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus. Walensky said that the data was "concerning enough that we feel like we have to act."

So there you have it, since you were saying a few days ago that there was no evidence that infected people can spread the virus. Now we know :tu

[ElNono]

There is no end goal. We are just throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks. Masks, no masks, double mask, tripple mask, vaccine, 2 shots, booster shots, unlimited shots, more shit, more shit, fling more shit

https://twitter.com/PotatoOfReason/status/1419845499146883076?s=19

Of course it's an achievable goal. We did achieve it with Alpha, now we gotta do it again for the Delta, thanks to some assholes not getting vaccinated.

[hater]

Of course it's an achievable goal. We did achieve it with Alpha, now we gotta do it again for the Delta, thanks to some assholes not getting vaccinated.

:lmao

It was never achieved. Its an impossi le goal. Ppl who think we can still erradicate Coronavirus in our 8 billion human planet are fucking lunatics or really really dumb people.


Even if you get your monthly booster. Still impossible lol

https://twitter.com/TheStallionMang/status/1420135440875720708?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1419797549733531656?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1387740391315738627?s=19

[ElNono]

:lmao

It was never achieved. Its an impossi le goal. Ppl who think we can still erradicate Coronavirus in our 8 billion human planet are fucking lunatics or really really dumb people.

:lmao

Of course we did. Nobody said complete eradication in a matter of weeks/months, but driving R < 1.0 is all you need, then let time do it's thing. That's how other prior pandemics were dealt with as well.

[Thread]

There is no end goal. We are just throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks. Masks, no masks, double mask, tripple mask, vaccine, 2 shots, booster shots, unlimited shots, more shit, more shit, fling more shit

https://twitter.com/PotatoOfReason/status/1419845499146883076?s=19

Tell it, oh great one.

Testify, king of kings!!!

[hater]

:lmao

Of course we did. Nobody said complete eradication in a matter of weeks/months, but driving R < 1.0 is all you need, then let time do it's thing. That's how other prior pandemics were dealt with as well.

You just answered your question. We did not erradicate shit. :lol

And :lol posting the R.of one country in a planet of 8 billion :lol

Covid is flu 2.0. Here forever

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/DefNotDarth/status/1419797549733531656?s=19

Tell it, hater.

Testify!!!

[pgardn]

As the Associated Press notes, Walensky cited data from the last few days, still unpublished, taken from 100 samples from vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals with COVID infections. They found that the amount of virus in the noses and throats of vaccinated infected people was nearly "indistinguishable" from what was found in unvaccinated people, confirming what some experts have suspected. The increased viral load associated with the Delta variant appears to make vaccinated people equal spreaders of the virus. Walensky said that the data was "concerning enough that we feel like we have to act."

This was redone and scrambled by The Insider.
A group of action oriented tech geeks.
Your sources are of such value, keep em coming, I am amazed by the trash you find.

[pgardn]

Tell it, oh great one.

Testify, king of kings!!!

Bowing down to hater... wow, you are ready to suck rancid male organs.
Thread: this is treatable. They have pills. Hater can give you more info.

[Thread]

Bowing down to hater... wow, you are ready to suck rancid male organs.
Thread: this is treatable. They have pills. Hater can give you more info.

He's a stalwart who has proved his mettle, peeg. He has come to the fore at a most crucial time.

Shoulder-to-Shoulder

[hater]

This was redone and scrambled by The Insider.
A group of action oriented tech geeks.
Your sources are of such value, keep em coming, I am amazed by the trash you find.

CDC just confirmed vaxed spread as much or more virus than unvaxed, Urine

Your vaxed unmasked ass is a biological weapon, Urine

Face the music

[hater]

He's a stalwart who has proved his mettle, peeg. He has come to the fore at a most crucial time.

Shoulder-to-Shoulder

Rack this great poster :tu

[DarrinS]

So much for "pandemic of the unvaccinated".

[Adam Lambert]

So much for "pandemic of the unvaccinated".

What does this even mean?

No deaths in your zipcode yet?

[Winehole23]

What does this even mean?

No deaths in your zipcode yet?I think he means vaccinated people can get infected and spread COVID too.

[Winehole23]

Biden deserves a lot of credit for the "getting back to normal" narrative and the present laxness RE: COVID


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7Y_-U7VoAE3wdn?format=jpg&name=large

[Adam Lambert]

I think he means vaccinated people can get infected and spread COVID too.

As far as I know, people like him were the only ones previously suggesting otherwise.

[Winehole23]

As far as I know, people like him were the only ones previously suggesting otherwise.the phrase is aimed at his political cohort, therefore the need to get pseudo-pedantic about it.

it's a glib "both sides" gambit that relies on ignorance about the degree to which vaccines do protect against infection.

[Adam Lambert]

Who could forget all the ST libs clowning on vaccinated people for still wearing masks when requested in public places because of the chance they might still spread COVID?

Oh wait, no, that was Darrin.

[ChumpDumper]

So much for "pandemic of the unvaccinated".When they make up the vast majority of infections, hospitalizations and deaths, how is it not now the pandemic of the unvaccinated, Darrin?

Explain your logic.

Please don't run and hide like a pussy.

[hater]

So much for "pandemic of the unvaccinated".

:lol yup

But dont worry, Faucian Covidians will still blame the unvaccinated :lol

Their disproven talking point of unvaxed being the only virus spreaders will still be used :lol

With zero logic as now its proven even if 100% americans were vaxed, Delta would still be burning through population.

They will also use their unproved talking point that unvaxed only create mutants. :lol

That also is in danger of being obliterated as if.vaxed hasve and.spread as much virus as unvaxed. Theres no reason why they also dont create mutants.

Their whole premise of mask mandates and vax passports is crumbling down.

Called it :tu


Oh qnd I guess u back to wearing masks nig :lol told u

[Winehole23]

when I was a kid, the emphasis older folks put on the wholesomeness of fresh air and ventilation seemed kooky and neurotic to me. now it seems reasonable and prudent..


Improved ventilation essential to safe use of buildings and public spaces, say leading engineers (https://www.raeng.org.uk/news/news-releases/2021/july/improved-ventilation-essential-to-safe-use-of-buil)

[ChumpDumper]

:lol yup

But dont worry, Faucian Covidians will still blame the unvaccinated :lol

Their disproven talking point of unvaxed being the only virus spreaders will still be used :lol

With zero logic as now its proven even if 100% americans were vaxed, Delta would still be burning through population.

They will also use their unproved talking point that unvaxed only create mutants. :lol

That also is in danger of being obliterated as if.vaxed hasve and.spread as much virus as unvaxed. Theres no reason why they also dont create mutants.

Their whole premise of mask mandates and vax passports is crumbling down.

Called it :tu


Oh qnd I guess u back to wearing masks nig :lol told u:lol you don't even notice when you shit on yourself anymore, hater.

[hater]

:lmao CDC

Biggest killer in the last 2 years

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1420168400681197569?s=19

[hater]

:lol you don't even notice when you shit on yourself anymore, hater.

You are a walking talking disease factory :lol

Mask up faggot :lol

[Winehole23]

big, if repeatable


Methods

In a live 124 bed hospital (>100,000 patient days over 30 months) we documented the impact of the step-wise addition of air disinfection technology and COVID-19 mitigation measures to standard multi-modal infection control on particle counts, viral and bacterial bioburden, and health care-associated infection rates.

Findings and Conclusion

The addition of air-disinfection technology and COVID-19 mitigation measures reduced airborne ultrafine particles, altered hospital bioburden, and reduced health care-associated infections from 11.9 to 6.6 (per 1,000 patient days) and from 6.6 to 1.0 (per 1,000 patient days) respectively (P< 0.0001, R2= 0.86). No single technology, tool, or procedure will eliminate health care-associated infections but the addition of a ubiquitous facility-wide engineering solution at limited expense and with no alteration in patient, visitor, or staff traffic or work flow patterns reduced infections by 45%. A similar impact was documented with the addition of comprehensive, restrictive, and labour and material intensive COVID-19 mitigation measures. We believe this is the first direct comparison between traditional infection control, an engineering solution, and COVID-19 mitigation measures.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670121002693

[hater]

https://twitter.com/ChrisMegerian/status/1420410888390123521?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/maineacbagboy1/status/1420410810237693955?s=19

[Winehole23]

^^^ rode DJT's jock to trigger the libs, saved all his criticism for Sleepy Joe

[hater]

^^^ rode DJT's jock to trigger the libs, saved all his criticism for Sleepy Joe

Check my sig and history, liar

Been calling Dump a fat orange lying pendejo for over a year

[Winehole23]

watch him put this back in defensively

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1245432910.7359/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u1.jpg

[Winehole23]

Check my sig and history, liar

Been calling Dump a fat orange lying pendejo for over a yearAfter openly riding his jock for three years.

I think you still carry a little torch.

[ducks]

New guidance from the CDC:

“The CDC recommended that all teachers, staff, students, and visitors at K-12 schools mask up as well.”

The data clearly indicates that children are not at any real danger from COVID. Current data from the CDC shows a 0.000001 % chance of a child in the U.S. succumbing to COVID. That is literally a 1 in one million chance.

Many more kids die EVERY DAY from pneumonia (2,216 daily) as have died in total from COVID (391 total).

Parents are fed up with needlessly masking their kids. This is NOT going to go over well!

[ChumpDumper]

You are a walking talking disease factory :lol

Mask up faggot :lol
Their whole premise of mask mandates and vax passports is crumbling down.

:lol pick a lane

[spurraider21]

:lol pick a lane
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Parking_violation_Vaughan_Mills.jpg/220px-Parking_violation_Vaughan_Mills.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

New guidance from the CDC:

“The CDC recommended that all teachers, staff, students, and visitors at K-12 schools mask up as well.”

The data clearly indicates that children are not at any real danger from COVID. Current data from the CDC shows a 0.000001 % chance of a child in the U.S. succumbing to COVID. That is literally a 1 in one million chance.

Many more kids die EVERY DAY from pneumonia (2,216 daily) as have died in total from COVID (391 total).

Parents are fed up with needlessly masking their kids. This is NOT going to go over well!Logic like this is why we have our current surge.

[Winehole23]

aggrieved, sub-intelligent drivel is Chip Roy's main selling point

1420416505242607617

[SnakeBoy]

Of course it's an achievable goal. We did achieve it with Alpha, now we gotta do it again for the Delta, thanks to some assholes not getting vaccinated.

We can't make the virus go away. How is it possible you haven't figured this out yet?

[hater]

After openly riding his jock for three years.

I think you still carry a little torch.

You hqve been exposed as a liar.

[hater]

watch him put this back in defensively

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.1245432910.7359/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u1.jpg

Always been there liar

[Blake]

Who could forget all the ST libs clowning on vaccinated people for still wearing masks when requested in public places because of the chance they might still spread COVID?

Oh wait, no, that was Darrin.

i HaVeNt WorE mUh mAsK sInCE ApriL mUh zIp cOdE EtC..

[hater]

Logic like this is why we have our current surge.

You are a walking disease parading maskless in public. This is why we have.our current surge.

[hater]

We can't make the virus go away. How is it possible you haven't figured this out yet?

:tu

They just dont get it :lol

[Winehole23]

:tu

They just dont get it :lollike El Nono said to you upstream, it's about getting below R=1, not getting to R=0.

as usual, you can't shoot straight.

[DarrinS]

like El Nono said to you upstream, it's about getting below R=1, not getting to R=0.

as usual, you can't shoot straight.

We didn't get rid of alpha. Delta out competed it.

[Winehole23]

We didn't get rid of alpha. Delta out competed it.however that may be, El NoNo wasn't opining about the proximate eradication of COVID like hater and SnakeBoy just suggested.

[ChumpDumper]

We didn't get rid of alpha. Delta out competed it.
So you were wrong when you said this:

Its over
:tu

[Thread]

So you were wrong when you said this:

:tu

That GD Dumps, he's always in the stacks!!! End of July, hotter than Hades and Dumps is down in that fucking basement stacks.

SOB!

[DarrinS]

So you were wrong when you said this:

:tu

Its over for me. :tu

[DarrinS]

Fauci and Walenski must have whiplash after so many mask flip flops.

[Thread]

Its over for me. :tu

Who'd a guessed he'd be creepin' around down in those dusty racks of stacks end of a GD July.

GD him!!!

[Winehole23]

Its over for me. :tuuntil it touches you or your family again.

[Thread]

until it touches you or your family again.

Here comes the barber of Seville...dum, de dum dum.

[DarrinS]

until it touches you or your family again.

I have both natural immunity and Pfizer x2.

[Winehole23]

I have both natural immunity and Pfizer x2.good luck

[Thread]

good luck

You factious SOB, you.

[ChumpDumper]

Its over for me. :tuSo now you're moving the goalpost because you were wrong.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

Fauci and Walenski must have whiplash after so many mask flip flops.What about you, Darrin?

You've been flip-flopping for a solid year and a half.

Your track record is complete shit.

[Thread]

So now you're moving the goalpost because you were wrong.:tu

& a course Dumps can never just take his victory and keep quiet. Oh, no...rub it in time.

[hater]

like El Nono said to you upstream, it's about getting below R=1, not getting to R=0.

as usual, you can't shoot straight.

:lol an R > 0 means its not erradicated, Einstein

Its impossibke to erradicate this. Agreed?

[Thread]

:lol an R > 0 means its not erradicated, Einstein

Its impossibke to erradicate this. Agreed?

tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

[ElNono]

You just answered your question. We did not erradicate shit. :lol

And :lol posting the R.of one country in a planet of 8 billion :lol

Covid is flu 2.0. Here forever

It's one country at a time. Again, nobody claimed this is going to dissappear overnight everywhere.

see: Ebola, Polio, Tuberculosis, etc. None of those got wiped from everywhere instantly. Most countries no longer have to deal with them, however, nor require their population to be in the lookout for them.

[Winehole23]

:lol an R > 0 means its not erradicated, Einstein

Its impossibke to erradicate this. Agreed?Neither me nor ElNono have suggested COVID will be eradicated in the near term.

It was intuitively clear to me last year tha COVID would become endemic when containment failed and community transmission became uncontrolled.

[hater]

We didn't get rid of alpha. Delta out competed it.

Correct.

[ElNono]

:lol an R > 0 means its not erradicated, Einstein

Its impossibke to erradicate this. Agreed?

I don't disagree, because even making the claim of complete eradication is virtually impossible to support (ie: how can you possible know?)

That said, there's a huge amount of levels between complete eradication and the current COVID situation, agree?

If we can manage to get it to polio/TB levels, or even Flu-like mortality levels, then this is pretty much no longer a concern.

[hater]

It's one country at a time. Again, nobody claimed this is going to dissappear overnight everywhere.

see: Ebola, Polio, Tuberculosis, etc. None of those got wiped from everywhere instantly. Most countries no longer have to deal with them, however, nor require their population to be in the lookout for them.

:lmao one country at a time :lmao

So we gonna kill this one country at a time.:lmao.


:lol

[ElNono]

We didn't get rid of alpha. Delta out competed it.

How so? We have the data that can measurably say Alpha was being successfully being beat. You've seen the charts.

[ElNono]

:lmao one country at a time :lmao

So we gonna kill this one country at a time.:lmao.

:lol

Not sure what's so funny? How did we ended up controlling Ebola, Polio, TB? Do tell.

Ebola is still a problem in some African countries. When was the last time you tested yourself for Ebola? :lol

[hater]

Lol "was being"

[hater]

Not sure what's so funny? How did we ended up controlling Ebola, Polio, TB? Do tell.

Ebola is still a problem in some African countries. When was the last time you tested yourself for Ebola? :lol

:lmao if ebola had been airborne and as.contagious as Covid then wed be currently cannibalizing ourselves of.hunger.

[ElNono]

Lol "was being"

Of course it was. That's why your pinch-cushion ass got a vaccine with a 96% effectiveness rate (against Alpha). :lol

[Winehole23]

How so? We have the data that can measurably say Alpha was being successfully being beat. You've seen the charts.In the Darrin universe, phenomena are relilably determined by single variables that magically chime with daily right wing talking points or his prior beliefs.

[SpursforSix]

:lmao if ebola had been airborne and as.contagious as Covid then wed be currently cannibalizing ourselves of.hunger.

Wot?

[hater]

Of course it was. That's why your pinch-cushion ass got a vaccine with a 96% effectiveness rate (against Alpha). :lol

We.were kicking little brothers ass.until big bro came and wupped.us.

We.are.now confident we will eventually kick big bros ass eventually.


And hope big daddy doesnt show up :lol

Todays virus erradication strategiez :lmao

[ElNono]

:lmao if ebola had been airborne and as.contagious as Covid then wed be currently cannibalizing ourselves of.hunger.

Impossible to prove. But your whole argument rests in that this is a 8 billion population world that travels and thus spreads disease. Ebola transmits by simple contact, for example. We're not talking HIV here.

Yet, in most countries, Ebola has been under control for a long ass time, with minor flares that get contained right away, and the population in most countries completely oblivious to it.

So things can get better. It's not quick, and it's not overnight, it takes time, but it's not impossible. Look at the flu for the same thing. Mortality has come down to controlled levels.

[ElNono]

We.were kicking little brothers ass.until big bro came and wupped.us.

We.are.now confident we will eventually kick big bros ass eventually.

And hope big daddy doesnt show up :lol

Todays virus erradication strategiez :lmao

Today we have DNA sequencing and working vaccines within 1-2 years... you should brush up on how things were a 100 years ago. :lol

[hater]

Today we have DNA sequencing and working vaccines within 1-2 years... you should brush up on how things were a 100 years ago. :lol

Great so we will have a Delta killer vaccine by end of 2022 :lmao

[ElNono]

What would be good is to avoid unforced errors like give the virus ample time and hosts to continue mutating. Then we're wasting time and causing avoidable deaths.

[ChumpDumper]

Vaccinated hater trying to shit on vaccines.:lol

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RashDistinctArcticfox-size_restricted.gif

[ElNono]

Great so we will have a Delta killer vaccine by end of 2022 :lmao

The original flu pandemic was in 1918, the original vaccine was developed in 1940, and only used in civilians by 1945. By 1947 it became obvious the virus has been mutating and the vaccine wasn't as effective.

In 1957 the first mutation showed up, which triggered another pandemic that killed 1.1 million people globally. Took almost 3 years to develop new effective vaccines, based on the first ones.

Then in 1968, a new mutation showed up and triggered yet another pandemic with another 1 million people dead globally.

Since then, there has been relatively minor flare ups like H1N1 or avian flu.

So:
- We're in a much, much better place to handle this than in the past.
- We need to learn from the past. If we can avoid it, don't let the virus fester and mutate.
- Getting this under control doesn't happen overnight.

[baseline bum]

So now you're moving the goalpost because you were wrong.:tu

How long you been reading Karrin's shit?

[baseline bum]

Vaccinated hater trying to shit on vaccines.:lol

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/RashDistinctArcticfox-size_restricted.gif

Yeah hater got vaccinated like DarrinS voted for Obama.

[TSA]

Fauci and Walenski must have whiplash after so many mask flip flops.

https://twitter.com/AWokeZombie/status/1420404394483490823

https://twitter.com/districtai/status/1420389970842464262

https://twitter.com/districtai/status/1420396344510976002

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

How long you been reading Karrin's shit?:lol his whole ST raison d'etre is to be recognized as smarter than anyone whoever lived and said anything about any subject on the planet and memory holing any time he was, in fact, completely wrong.

Having it pointed out to him kills him, just like it does DMC and TSA.

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/AWokeZombie/status/1420404394483490823

https://twitter.com/districtai/status/1420389970842464262

https://twitter.com/districtai/status/1420396344510976002

:lol

Is this real? The "unpublished data" they based their decision on was a shit preprint from India :lol

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1420443258170351620

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1420444263603707908

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1420445197775814656

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1420446518952267779

[ChumpDumper]

I'd personally like to thank sailorrooscout for all the work he/she/they/it did promoting vaccines.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/AWokeZombie/status/1420404394483490823

https://twitter.com/districtai/status/1420389970842464262

https://twitter.com/districtai/status/1420396344510976002

:lol

:lmao


CDC :lol

[TSA]

Is this real? The "unpublished data" they based their decision on was a shit preprint from India :lolNot quite. The "unpublished data" was just consistent with the shit preprint/rejected/revised from India :lol

Studies from India with vaccines not authorized for use in the United States have noted relatively high viral loads and larger cluster sizes associated with infections with Delta, regardless of vaccination status.(96) These early data suggest that breakthrough Delta infections are transmissible. Unpublished data are consistent with this, and additional data collection and studies are underway to understand the level and duration of transmissibility from Delta vaccine breakthrough infections in the United States and other settings.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

[hater]

:lol Trust the science.:lol

[ElNono]

Not quite. The "unpublished data" was just consistent with the shit preprint/rejected/revised from India :lol

Studies from India with vaccines not authorized for use in the United States have noted relatively high viral loads and larger cluster sizes associated with infections with Delta, regardless of vaccination status.(96) These early data suggest that breakthrough Delta infections are transmissible. Unpublished data are consistent with this, and additional data collection and studies are underway to understand the level and duration of transmissibility from Delta vaccine breakthrough infections in the United States and other settings.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html

What's the problem with this? They don't even make a claim that the data is final or conclusive? And, taking the conservative approach and recommending masks again in case it does turn out to be true is problematic because?

[hater]

The original flu pandemic was in 1918, the original vaccine was developed in 1940, and only used in civilians by 1945. By 1947 it became obvious the virus has been mutating and the vaccine wasn't as effective.

In 1957 the first mutation showed up, which triggered another pandemic that killed 1.1 million people globally. Took almost 3 years to develop new effective vaccines, based on the first ones.

Then in 1968, a new mutation showed up and triggered yet another pandemic with another 1 million people dead globally.

Since then, there has been relatively minor flare ups like H1N1 or avian flu.

So:
- We're in a much, much better place to handle this than in the past.
- We need to learn from the past. If we can avoid it, don't let the virus fester and mutate.
- Getting this under control doesn't happen overnight.

1. We have 8 billion humans now
2. Most of those humans still live in similar.conditions to 1957
3. You are now going from erradication to getting this under control. Thats a big change. And it.shows that you are finally realizing this virus will live with us probably forever :tu

[ChumpDumper]

The Polio virus is still "with us" but you don't seem worried about that.

[ElNono]

1. We have 8 billion humans now
2. Most of those humans still live in similar.conditions to 1957
3. You are now going from erradication to getting this under control. Thats a big change. And it.shows that you are finally realizing this virus will live with us probably forever :tu

I never made the claim we were going to eradicate the virus. Quote me where I did?

This started with me responding to a tweet you posted from "Potato of Reason" claiming that there's some non-obvious endgame other than combating the virus and that getting everyone vaccinated is an unachievable goal.

[ElNono]

The Polio virus is still "with us" but you don't seem worried about that.

Exactly. Like I said, how do you even prove complete eradication? It's not possible. However, there's a level between that and what we have now we're all comfortable living with, which is what under control means.

[hater]

I never made the claim we were going to eradicate the virus. Quote me where I did?



:lmao
Nobody said complete eradication in a matter of weeks/months, but driving R < 1.0 is all you need, then let time do it's thing. That's how other prior pandemics were dealt with as well.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Adam Lambert]

There's no contradiction there.

Do you guys ever get bored with slinging bullshit?

[ElNono]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Where's the contradiction there?

[Blake]

Its over for me. :tu

Muuuuh zip code

[ElNono]

I mean, I've said a couple times already in this very thread that even claiming you've fully eradicated a given virus is technically impossible, why would I make the claim we can eradicate it? :lol

[pgardn]

CDC just confirmed vaxed spread as much or more virus than unvaxed, Urine

Your vaxed unmasked ass is a biological weapon, Urine

Face the music

Link?

Liar.
And I am not unmasked ya damn Sandanista.
Only outside and exercising. what, you follow me around?
The mask is coming back, its pretty clear near large commercial centers near me.
Texas and business friendly backfire.

[Winehole23]

Que payaso tan hater

[pgardn]

I mean, I've said a couple times already in this very thread that even claiming you've fully eradicated a given virus is technically impossible, why would I make the claim we can eradicate it? :lol

Still have cases of polio, very rare though.

edit

chump already in

[SnakeBoy]

I mean, I've said a couple times already in this very thread that even claiming you've fully eradicated a given virus is technically impossible, why would I make the claim we can eradicate it? :lol

Flailing

Now that you acknowledge it's never going away tell how you think we will stop it from mutating

[ChumpDumper]

SnakeBoy actively campaigning for COVID since he couldn't stop the steal.

[koriwhat]

Flailing

Now that you acknowledge it's never going away tell how you think we will stop it from mutating

By taking the commies here in the USA, the whole damn sham administration, and sending them over to China to be with their handlers, the CCP, and nuking them out of existence.

[pgardn]

Flailing

Now that you acknowledge it's never going away tell how you think we will stop it from mutating

We dont.
What makes you think mutations are bad?
Most cold viruses have mutated so as to give minor symptoms that just help in spreading it.
This is an example of a good mutation or variant.
And it makes much more sense from an evolutionary point of view.

So you are saying all the variations will have increasing detrimental symptoms on the host?

[Winehole23]

SnakeBoy overrelies on exagerration and flat out misstating what other posters say. Hater does the same thing.

[hater]

:cry

Poor baby.

Maybe gargle some disinfectant to feel better?

[koriwhat]

SnakeBoy overrelies on exagerration and flat out misstating what other posters say. Hater does the same thing.

So do you bro. What was I wanting you to man up to not even a couple weeks ago? I'll have to go check but here's another example of hypocrisy by you and others time and time again.

[Winehole23]

Poor baby.

Maybe gargle some disinfectant to feel better?There's no prophylaxis against spazzed out loas like you,.

Lol hater

[boutons_deux]

Last August in-person schooling was suspended

This August the pandemic could be worse

https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/7dFkK1Rro87yCUJ18K3-jTXZRnrXT9bUbBn3BV_M7MesdU1SWXPpgeNFGt6hgo_qpZaBhQ e9GC8BMXtuxjBBs1zAKi9T7jL358ttgWUIYOwz_gmKPuTQP8WO LyyEeotQT-64cPMRKiWoz9GtSsZmuxerlm-qUVyTpZJm=s0-d-e1-ft#https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/07/28/multimedia/28coronavirus-nl/28coronavirus-nl-articleLarge.png

[Adam Lambert]

Flailing

Now that you acknowledge it's never going away tell how you think we will stop it from mutating

We can't stop people dying on roadways.

Therefore speed limits and drunk driving laws are pointless.

Caution is for the weak.

:tu

[Thread]

Last August in-person schooling was suspended

This August the pandemic could be worse

https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/7dFkK1Rro87yCUJ18K3-jTXZRnrXT9bUbBn3BV_M7MesdU1SWXPpgeNFGt6hgo_qpZaBhQ e9GC8BMXtuxjBBs1zAKi9T7jL358ttgWUIYOwz_gmKPuTQP8WO LyyEeotQT-64cPMRKiWoz9GtSsZmuxerlm-qUVyTpZJm=s0-d-e1-ft#https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/07/28/multimedia/28coronavirus-nl/28coronavirus-nl-articleLarge.png

C'mon, mother fucker Biden, let's see your "plan," daddy-O.

Chop/chop.

[SnakeBoy]

We can't stop people dying on roadways.

Therefore speed limits and drunk driving laws are pointless.

Caution is for the weak.

:tu

We need to stop people from driving until nobody dies on the roadways. Then we can start driving again unless someone dies in a car accident, then we have to stop driving again.

It's logical

[Winehole23]

Google already has a mandate, federal mandate is coming Thursday. Frequent COVID testing is an option for those who still don't want to get the jab.

1420486650447159302

[Winehole23]

We need to stop people from driving until nobody dies on the roadways. Then we can start driving again unless someone dies in a car accident, then we have to stop driving again.

It's logicalyou're being obtuse or dishonest. literally no one in this thread has argued that.

[Thread]

Google already has a mandate, federal mandate is coming Thursday. Frequent COVID testing is an option for those who still don't want to get the jab.

1420486650447159302

I betcha we don't get those pics of refrigerated morgue trucks in the hospital parking lots like when President Trump was in there, huh, Winester?

tee, hee.

[boutons_deux]

amazing that old folks homes don't demand that their staff to be vaccinated

How many medical help, who watched 1000s suffer and/or die, will quit rather than be vaccinated?

If you quit, no unemployment pay

[Thread]

you're being obtuse or dishonest. literally no one in this thread has argued that.

He's just trying to get under your skin, Winester. You shouldn't let him, he'll just end up on your Ignore List, sweetheart.

[Thread]

amazing that old folks homes don't demand that their staff to be vaccinated

How many medical help, who watched 1000s suffer and/or die, will quit rather then be vaccinated?

Well, by God, if you'd uncross your fingers, toes, and eyes, perhaps lots of "many."

[SnakeBoy]

you're being obtuse or dishonest. literally no one in this thread has argued that.

lol Adam Lambert's obtuse, dishonest analogy didn't bother you at all

Still waiting for one of you geniuses to tell me how we're going to stop future mutations which escape antibodies considering applying antibody pressure is what leads to escape.

[ElNono]

Flailing

Now that you acknowledge it's never going away tell how you think we will stop it from mutating

3/10, good try though

[SnakeBoy]

3/10, good try though

Gibraltar was the first nation to have 100% vaccination, no variants there right?

[ElNono]

lol Adam Lambert's obtuse, dishonest analogy didn't bother you at all

Still waiting for one of you geniuses to tell me how we're going to stop future mutations which escape antibodies considering applying antibody pressure is what leads to escape.

The goal isn't to fully stop mutations (though it would be ideal), nobody here argued for that.

What we can do and need to strive for is reduce the surface where mutations can happen in order to slow the process down, so we're not one pandemic after the next and we have more time to come up with more effective vaccines and treatments against the virus.

[Winehole23]

lol Adam Lambert's obtuse, dishonest analogy didn't bother you at all.on-target satire stings, don't it?

[ElNono]

Gibraltar was the first nation to have 100% vaccination, no variants there right?

This is a 2/10, keep trying.

[DarrinS]

Hopefully mutates to the point of becoming another human coronavirus cold.

[Winehole23]

Hopefully mutates to the point of becoming another human coronavirus cold.is there any threshhold of death, disability and suffering that might cause you to reconsider your wishful thinking?

[DarrinS]

I'm pretty sure I've already been exposed to delta.

Free booster


You're all going to get this thing, btw. :lol

[ElNono]

Hopefully mutates to the point of becoming another human coronavirus cold.

I mean, sure. That'd be swell. In the meantime, that's not the case and there are things we can do until that hopefully happens.

[DarrinS]

is there any threshhold of death, disability and suffering that might cause you to reconsider your wishful thinking?

It gets who it gets, tbh.

Its not in the virus' best interest to kill its host. From evolutionary perspective, it would be best to be highly contagious, but less virulent.

[Winehole23]

It gets who it gets, tbh.

Its not in the virus' best interest to kill its host. From evolutionary perspective, it would be best to be highly contagious, but less virulent.do you think viruses operate on the basis of rational self-interest?

if not, what's your point?

[DarrinS]

do you think viruses operate on the basis of rational self-interest?

if not, what's your point?


Sorry you didn't understand.

[SnakeBoy]

Hopefully mutates to the point of becoming another human coronavirus cold.

It already is the 5th HCoV. We have to adapt to it not the other way around. We'll adapt to it through repeated infection and/or vaccination.

In the meantime, stock up on listerine.

[Winehole23]

Sorry you didn't understand.I understand that viruses evolve. I was just wondering why you think COVID will evolve how you want it to.

[DarrinS]

It already is the 5th HCoV. We have to adapt to it not the other way around. We'll adapt to it through repeated infection and/or vaccination.

In the meantime, stock up on listerine.

Gargling with Listerine Cool Mint does help some.

[Winehole23]

It already is the 5th HCoV. We have to adapt to it not the other way around. We'll adapt to it through repeated infection and/or vaccination.

In the meantime, stock up on listerine."In an outbreak of the bubonic plague, it's best to adopt feral rats and pass them around, so that we can adapt to it."

[Adam Lambert]

We need to stop people from driving until nobody dies on the roadways. Then we can start driving again unless someone dies in a car accident, then we have to stop driving again.

It's logical

That's a stupid comparison. Wearing a mask is not like not driving. Getting a vaccine is not like not driving. Why are you exerting so much energy of behalf of the derp side of the argument? Just for the sake of argument?

[SnakeBoy]

I understand that viruses evolve. I was just wondering why you think COVID will evolve how you want it to.

It's your immune system that adapts. I've already tried to explain memory B cell and memory T cells to you. A futile effort tbh.

Stock up on your listerine if you want but you probably should make sure you get your likely diabetes under control.

[SnakeBoy]

That's a stupid comparison. Wearing a mask is not like not driving. Getting a vaccine is not like not driving. Why are you exerting so much energy of behalf of the derp side of the argument? Just for the sake of argument?

I'm as pro vaccine as it gets. Science is science though. Why won't you acknowledge the science?

[Winehole23]

Gargling with Listerine Cool Mint does help some.you'd give kids Ivermectin instead?

[Winehole23]

It's your immune system that adapts. I've already tried to explain memory B cell and memory T cells to you. A futile effort tbh.

Stock up on your liste rine if you want but you probably should make sure you get your likely diabetes under control.My kidney markers are all fine, thank you.

I was responding to Darrin, trying to get him to flesh out his own terminology. I get that we adapt and evolve too.

[Adam Lambert]

I'm as pro vaccine as it gets. Science is science though. Why won't you acknowledge the science?

What are you asking me to acknowledge? That we can't eradicate COVID? No shit. Why is that your chief concern right now when 50% of the country wants to pretend it doesn't exist? You're too chickenshit to address them so you focus on strawmen because lol triggering libs.

[SnakeBoy]

"In an outbreak of the bubonic plague, it's best to adopt feral rats and pass them around, so that we can adapt to it."

It's not bubonic plague. It's a respiratory human coronavirus. Why do you think it is going to behave differently than the other ones that you have been repeatedly infected with since you were born?

[DarrinS]

you'd give kids Ivermectin instead?

Safer than aspirin.

[Winehole23]

It's not bubonic plague. It's a respiratory human coronavirus. Why do you think it is going to behave differently than the other ones that you have been repeatedly infected with since you were born?I don't, I was making fun of your gross, facile analogies.

For someone who holds himself out as a smart guy, you sure do miss lot of framing and context.

[Winehole23]

Safer than aspirin.That's a yes?

[DarrinS]

It already is the 5th HCoV. We have to adapt to it not the other way around. We'll adapt to it through repeated infection and/or vaccination.

I'm sure I've been exposed numerous times.

Free boosters

[SnakeBoy]

What are you asking me to acknowledge? That we can't eradicate COVID? No shit. Why is that your chief concern right now when 50% of the country wants to pretend it doesn't exist? You're too chickenshit to address them so you focus on strawmen because lol triggering libs.

Ask Hater if I've addressed the dumbfuck anti vaxxers. If they want natural infection instead of vaccination that's their problem. In the end everyone gets infected though, vaccinated or not.

[DarrinS]

Ask Hater if I've addressed the dumbfuck anti vaxxers. If they want natural infection instead of vaccination that's their problem. In the end everyone gets infected though, vaccinated or not.

Yep

[Adam Lambert]

Ask Hater if I've addressed the dumbfuck anti vaxxers. If they want natural infection instead of vaccination that's their problem. In the end everyone gets infected though, vaccinated or not.

What are the risks posed by COVID against a population that is 90% vaccinated vs. a population that is 50% vaccinated?

[ElNono]

It's not bubonic plague. It's a respiratory human coronavirus. Why do you think it is going to behave differently than the other ones that you have been repeatedly infected with since you were born?

You had SARS or Avian Flu?

[Thread]

What are the risks posed by COVID against a population that is 90% vaccinated vs. a population that is 50% vaccinated?

& if old man Trump was still in there you'd one be of the 50%, Adam.

[Adam Lambert]

& if old man Trump was still in there you'd one be of the 50%, Adam.

That's false. We don't all live our lives according to team. That's for worthless piece of shit sociopaths like you.

Stop @ing me.

[Thread]

That's false. We don't all live our lives according to team. That's for worthless piece of shit sociopaths like you.

Stop @ing me.

Like hell you don't.

& I'll post to whomever I get a hankering to.

[SnakeBoy]

You had SARS or Avian Flu?

SARS1 was an unsuccessful mutation, went extinct.

As I used to tell tholdren, it's not the flu it's a common cold virus. Strange that you and tholdren are making the same stupid comparison.

[SnakeBoy]

What are the risks posed by COVID against a population that is 90% vaccinated vs. a population that is 50% vaccinated?

Dude I'm pro vaccine. I don't even mind vaccine mandates. 100% vaccination won't make this virus go away or stop mutating though. And vaccines (not just this one) don't prevent infection no matter how many times pgardn claims they do.

[SnakeBoy]

I'm sure I've been exposed numerous times.

Free boosters

Yeah I hope that I have, I'm certainly at high risk for it.

Sad to think that these terrified vaccinated chumpettes are sitting in the parking lot eating whataburger hoping they never get exposed to the virus when they should be out living life.

[Adam Lambert]

Dude I'm pro vaccine. I don't even mind vaccine mandates. 100% vaccination won't make this virus go away or stop mutating though. And vaccines (not just this one) don't prevent infection no matter how many times pgardn claims they do.

I believe you but you're also talking out of both sides of your mouth because you want to keep your MAGA cred and impress people like Darrin.

[ElNono]

SARS1 was an unsuccessful mutation, went extinct.

As I used to tell tholdren, it's not the flu it's a common cold virus. Strange that you and tholdren are making the same stupid comparison.

You said respiratory human coronavirus. SARS was that. Maybe if you didn't make stupid claims, people wouldn't call you out on it.

[Adam Lambert]

Yeah I hope that I have, I'm certainly at high risk for it.

Sad to think that these terrified vaccinated chumpettes are sitting in the parking lot eating whataburger hoping they never get exposed to the virus when they should be out living life.

Case in point. Obviously you know that the risk of catching COVID goes beyond what it does to the individual, but it's more lib-triggering to ignore that part and play dumb.

[DarrinS]

I believe you but you're also talking out of both sides of your mouth because you want to keep your MAGA cred and impress people like Darrin.

Lol

[baseline bum]

Yeah I hope that I have, I'm certainly at high risk for it.

Sad to think that these terrified vaccinated chumpettes are sitting in the parking lot eating whataburger hoping they never get exposed to the virus when they should be out living life.

Jesus Christ, you're still giving me shit for eating in the Texas Roadhouse parking lot instead of inside around a ton of people before I was fucking vaccinated?

[ElNono]

Don't know a single person that's not out living life... wait, make an exception for derp.

[DarrinS]

Yeah I hope that I have, I'm certainly at high risk for it.

Sad to think that these terrified vaccinated chumpettes are sitting in the parking lot eating whataburger hoping they never get exposed to the virus when they should be out living life.


Their anxiety is going to kill them.

https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm

[Adam Lambert]

I went to a full concert last week and have tickets for a dozen more in the next few months. I would like to actually go to those, but if these anti-vax and herd immunity cultists start filling up hospital rooms again, we're going to have a repeat of 2020. Wouldn't be my call, but it is what it is.

[DarrinS]

I went to a full concert last week and have tickets for a dozen more in the next few months. I would like to actually go to those, but if these anti-vax and herd immunity cultists start filling up hospital rooms again, we're going to have a repeat of 2020. Wouldn't be my call, but it is what it is.

And then, everybody clapped. :lol

[DarrinS]

Lol, "herd immunity cultists"

What do you think we're trying to do with vaccines?

[hater]

Hopefully mutates to the point of becoming another human coronavirus cold.

I beieve thats the only hope IMO.

But not sure why these mutations are deadlier? This is a very different virus

[SnakeBoy]

You said respiratory human coronavirus. SARS was that. Maybe if you didn't make stupid claims, people wouldn't call you out on it.

SARS wasn't an endemic human coronavirus. It was a civet cat virus (allegedly) that infected a small number of people before disappearing from the planet.

Just like MERS isn't an endemic human virus, it's a camel virus that occasionally infects humans. Needs to infect some more camel fuckers and mutate more before it can be the 6th HCoV.

[SnakeBoy]

Jesus Christ, you're still giving me shit for eating in the Texas Roadhouse parking lot instead of inside around a ton of people before I was fucking vaccinated?

That was meant for Chump :lol

Roadhouse > whataburger

[baseline bum]

I beieve thats the only hope IMO.

But not sure why these mutations are deadlier? This is a very different virus

Is delta actually any deadlier per person infected?

[SnakeBoy]

Don't know a single person that's not out living life... wait, make an exception for derp.

Well if you are out there living life how do you know you haven't been infected already. Have you had an antibody test to rule it out?

[ElNono]

SARS wasn't an endemic human coronavirus. It was a civet cat virus (allegedly) that infected a small number of people before disappearing from the planet.

Just like MERS isn't an endemic human virus, it's a camel virus that occasionally infects humans. Needs to infect some more camel fuckers and mutate more before it can be the 6th HCoV.

You said respiratory human coronavirus. Apology accepted.

[ElNono]

Well if you are out there living life how do you know you haven't been infected already. Have you had an antibody test to rule it out?

I have (had an antibody test, part of going back to the office protocol).

[SnakeBoy]

I have.

Well keep checking. When antibodies to the N protein show up you'll know you've had the real thing.

[Adam Lambert]

And then, everybody clapped. :lol

"YOU GUISE ARE SCARED OF LIVING LOL"
"No we're not. Here's an example."
"OH WE'RE SO IMPRESSED LOL"

[boutons_deux]

Is delta actually any deadlier per person infected?

I haven't seen that,

only that it's more infectious due to a much higher viral load in lungs and windpipe.

[ElNono]

Well keep checking. When antibodies to the N protein show up you'll know you've had the real thing.

This is your imaginary narrative. I have to do nothing.

[Adam Lambert]

Lol, "herd immunity cultists"

What do you think we're trying to do with vaccines?

You think herd immunity from vaccinations is the same as from infection? You think there's no difference in the overall implications?

[ElNono]

Unless the argument is that wearing a mask indoors in public areas is somehow "not living life", which would be an incredibly retarded argument in and of itself, and I do think you're smarter than that, thus why I ruled it out.

[SnakeBoy]

Unless the argument is that wearing a mask indoors in public areas is somehow "not living life", which would be an incredibly retarded argument in and of itself, and I do think you're smarter than that, thus why I ruled it out.

You're a vaccinated person wearing a mask to keep you from spreading the virus

What do you think that means?

[SnakeBoy]

I believe you but you're also talking out of both sides of your mouth because you want to keep your MAGA cred and impress people like Darrin.

lol I've been pro vaccine on this forum even before covid

I'm glad people like you and Kamala decided to get the Trump vaccine

[DarrinS]

Is delta actually any deadlier per person infected?

No

[Adam Lambert]

lol I've been pro vaccine on this forum even before covid

I'm glad people like you and Kamala decided to get the Trump vaccine

I said I believe you.

The lady doth protest too much.

[DarrinS]

"YOU GUISE ARE SCARED OF LIVING LOL"
"No we're not. Here's an example."
"OH WE'RE SO IMPRESSED LOL"

" I buy tickets to DOZENS of future concerts, but can't go because anti-vaxxers "