Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[pgardn]

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

He thinks they are all made specially by various labs even before we even knew DNA was the genetic material of eukaryotic cells.

[Ef-man]

He thinks they are all made specially by various labs even before we even knew DNA was the genetic material of eukaryotic cells.

:lol

The idiot never met a conspiracy he did not like.

[pgardn]

Ok then this should be easy for you since they are so common. Show me a SARS-like coronavirus with a FCS that was found before covid. Chop chop.

SARS you fkn idiot. It is a coronavirus. Its in the SAME beta coronavirus family as SARS-Cov2!

[TSA]

You are a fkn idiot. You still dont get the difference between a site and a sequence. There are numerous furin cleavage sites. Its the sequence that makes them different. The function of the site pretty much the same.

248 separate Coronaviruses with 86 DIVERSIFIED furin cleavage sites (diverse in SEQUENCE). That have been detected in 24 animal hosts including humans in 28 countries. And this is only one article.

Suggestion: Google Furin cleavage sites in Coronaviruses.
You keep making the same mistake. Please stop. Im gonna have to get back and then you will launch off on some other piece of stupidity.
And thank you for praising my ability to look up details on the internet.

You also have no fkn clue what evolutionary trees are made through sites and sequencing nucleic acids





None of those FCS are like anything seen before in a SARS-like virus, you fkn idiot.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

[Ef-man]

None of those FCS are like anything seen before in a SARS-like virus, you fkn idiot.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

Let me type this slowly, as you are slow witted:

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

[TSA]

SARS you fkn idiot. It is a coronavirus. Its in the SAME beta coronavirus family as SARS-Cov2!

One huge difference between the two...I'll let you guess first, you fkn idiot.

[Ef-man]

One huge difference between the two...I'll let you guess first, you fkn idiot.

One huge similarity.

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

[TSA]

One huge similarity.

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

The FCS found in covid 19 was not common and had never been seen in a coronavirus throughout all of history. Fact.

[pgardn]

None of those FCS are like anything seen before in a SARS-like virus, you fkn idiot.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

Yes they are which is why they are in the same FAMILY.
But they are not the SAME viruses because of not only the disease they cause but variation in the spike protein.
There are other viruses that all have differences in their spike protein. Caused by mutations selected through an evolutionary process.
But YOU think this one got out of a lab because of the word novel?

You thought the furin cleavage site was unique. Its not. The base sequence is unique which is the characteristic upon all these viruses are related.
Do you think base sequence change can occur through mutations.
What about the sequence of uhhh lets say the omicron variant makes you think it came from where? ( Because it is a SARS Cov2 virus.)

And you give Djohn all this shit about lying and being disingenuous. Either you flat out dont understand what Im trying to tell you. Or you are just playing a stupid little game that you have had to backtrack on so many times its hard to keep count.

[Ef-man]

The FCS found in covid 19 was not common and had never been seen in a coronavirus throughout all of history. Fact.

Well guess what, while covid19 is relatively new, it is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

[pgardn]

Well guess what, while covid19 is relatively new, it is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

He is playing both a disingenuous game and getting caught not understanding what he posts.
Thats all I can figure from this Q man.

[pgardn]

Im out

I wonder whats next for The Insanity Annex.

[SpursforSix]

Im out

I wonder whats next for The Insanity Annex.

Band name trademarked.

Also trademarked:
Feeding Tube
StÜel SaMple

[Ef-man]

He is playing both a disingenuous game and getting caught not understanding what he posts.
Thats all I can figure from this Q man.

He is an idiot, no doubt about that. :tu

His repeating “muh coronavirus is special” schtick is hilarious.

[TSA]

Yes they are which is why they are in the same FAMILY.
But they are not the SAME viruses because of not only the disease they cause but variation in the spike protein.
There are other viruses that all have differences in their spike protein. Caused by mutations selected through an evolutionary process.
But YOU think this one got out of a lab because of the word novel?

You thought the furin cleavage site was unique. Its not. The base sequence is unique which is the characteristic upon all these viruses are related.
Do you think base sequence change can occur through mutations.
What about the sequence of uhhh lets say the omicron variant makes you think it came from where? ( Because it is a SARS Cov2 virus.)

And you give Djohn all this shit about lying and being disingenuous. Either you flat out dont understand what Im trying to tell you. Or you are just playing a stupid little game that you have had to backtrack on so many times its hard to keep count.You're a fucking idiot :lol

"Compared with other SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs), SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique furin cleavage site (FCS) in its spike."

"In comparison to all known SARSr-CoVs, SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique four-residue P-R-R-A (681–684) insertion at its spike S1/S2 junction, producing an FCS."

"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

[Ef-man]

You're a fucking idiot :lol

"Compared with other SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs), SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique furin cleavage site (FCS) in its spike."

"In comparison to all known SARSr-CoVs, SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique four-residue P-R-R-A (681–684) insertion at its spike S1/S2 junction, producing an FCS."

"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

“muh coronavirus is special because of FCS insertion at S1/S2 junction” :lmao

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

[DarrinS]

“I really can’t think of a plausible natural scenario where you get from the bat virus or one very similar to it to nCoV where you insert exactly 4 amino acids 12 nucleotide that all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function– that and you don’t change any other amino acid in S2? I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature". --Robert Garry email to Fauci and Collins

[TSA]

“muh coronavirus is special because of FCS insertion at S1/S2 junction” :lmao

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.

That's exactly what makes Covid 19 special. It takes a special type of idiot to not see that.

"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

[ChumpDumper]

That's why there is a word for it: novel.

[Ef-man]

Ok then this should be easy for you since they are so common. Show me a SARS-like coronavirus with a FCS that was found before covid. Chop chop.

Map explanation, in your own words please, am still waiting, idiot.

[Ef-man]

That's why there is a word for it: novel.

Plus, Covid is a coronavirus and FCSs are common in coronaviruses.

[ElNono]

Nope. It was this one.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/senate-report-sars-cov-2-likely-came

Nice clickbait title. Thanks for sharing...

[ElNono]

The source data for your map is China CDC. :lmao


Idiot, your map source was the Chinese weibo social media platform, remember?

:lol tbh

[DarrinS]

“I really can’t think of a plausible natural scenario where you get from the bat virus or one very similar to it to nCoV where you insert exactly 4 amino acids 12 nucleotide that all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function– that and you don’t change any other amino acid in S2? I just can’t figure out how this gets accomplished in nature". --Robert Garry email to Fauci and Collins


Same dude. Poor fella. :lmao



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-FhwghrSLs

[Ef-man]

Same dude. Poor fella. :lmao



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-FhwghrSLs

So he concluded covid was natural and not lab created, cool. :tu

[pgardn]

A furin cleavage site had never been found in a naturally occurring SARS-like virus is the history of studying SARS-like viruses. The only place it's been seen is in a lab that inserted it.

"A furin cleavage site." Yes furin cleavage sites have been found in studying SARS-like viruses. In fact they were present and accounted for before the disease was even known about. TSA clearly did not understand that it is the sequence of nitrogenous bases that make furin cleavage sites different, the SITE ITSELF is not unique. The base sequences is the way we put them in to related families. read RELATED."But if you are novel furin site, you cant be related?" Yes you absolutely can.



"The only place its been seen is in alab"

NO its not.

There are MANY unique thus novel furin cleaveage sites in different coronaviruses.
But the furin cleavage site that causes the disease in people is especially novel because....well... it causes areally nasty easy to spread disease IN PEOPLE?
Structurally the only thing novel is it binds particular well to human cells. So it MUST be made in a lab? Absolutely not.Thats unbelievably stupid. Nature has produced novel diseases for all of human history.

The influenza virus of 1918 was a novel virus.It killed 1/5 of the worlds people and hit young strong people with healthy immune systems very hard.
It was probably of avian origin but we still dont know where or when it entered the human population. We have since synthesized it and evaluated it and we still dont know exactly what properties made it so devastating. Since nucleic acids were not even identified as genetic material tlll the early 50s (and it had to be fully confirmed after Watson and Crick suggested it had the major properties that a genetic material would have to have) there were no molecular biology labs in 1918.

So of course because we still dont fully understand the flu of 1918 or its origins... "lab origin! Lab origin! Oops no lab... Act of God"

Ok. we are done with science.

[DarrinS]

One of these things is not like the others


https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41591-020-0820-9/MediaObjects/41591_2020_820_Fig1_HTML.png

[ChumpDumper]

One of these things is not like the others


https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41591-020-0820-9/MediaObjects/41591_2020_820_Fig1_HTML.png

According to you, China leaked modified sniffles into the world.

[pgardn]

One of these things is not like the others


https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41591-020-0820-9/MediaObjects/41591_2020_820_Fig1_HTML.png

link?

And do you know what any of the above means?

[ChumpDumper]

link?

And do you know what any of the above means?

He did his own research.

[pgardn]

He did his own research.

I can imagine.

I would really like to be able to see it. My screen is not sufficient, I would like a link so I can just look at it.
Its obviously incredibly incomplete because we have yet to connect the dots on animal links. But maybe its something different, I cant tell.

The other amino acid sequence quote Big Daddy D put up was interesting.
But basically not agreed upon by some major evolutionary scientists who use nucleic acids and proteins to determine origins and spreading of diseases.

[Ef-man]

One of these things is not like the others


https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41591-020-0820-9/MediaObjects/41591_2020_820_Fig1_HTML.png

Is this from the Chinese weibo social media platform?

[TSA]

"A furin cleavage site." Yes furin cleavage sites have been found in studying SARS-like viruses. In fact they were present and accounted for before the disease was even known about. TSA clearly did not understand that it is the sequence of nitrogenous bases that make furin cleavage sites different, the SITE ITSELF is not unique.


"Compared with other SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs), SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique furin cleavage site (FCS) in its spike."

"In comparison to all known SARSr-CoVs, SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique four-residue P-R-R-A (681–684) insertion at its spike S1/S2 junction, producing an FCS."

"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

Ok. Are we done pretending you know about science? fkn idiot.

[pgardn]

"Compared with other SARS-related coronaviruses (SARSr-CoVs), SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique furin cleavage site (FCS) in its spike."

"In comparison to all known SARSr-CoVs, SARS-CoV-2 possesses a unique four-residue P-R-R-A (681–684) insertion at its spike S1/S2 junction, producing an FCS."

"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

Ok. Are we done pretending you know about science? fkn idiot.

Then how are the other viruses categorized differently dumb shit?
Because they also have unique sequences as well within the spike protein. This site appears to be one of the reasons this virus infects humans suggesting this particular strain may be one to keep a look at for ANIMAL to human crossover.
So we are still in exactly the same argument. You still dont even fkn realize you do not have any new information! Other regions in other SARS like viruses that infect humans have a different recognition region WITHIN THE SAME PROTEIN. The 2003 SARS virus has a different recognition site in its spike protein (where the S1/S2 region is also located). Its the SAME recognition protein, just a DIFFERENT part of the SAME protein. The shape of the spike protein is how these viruses are able to recognize and bind to human cells. Its the same damn argument, you just dont understand the actual molecular biology verbiage. You dont get there are different coding sites WITHIN THE SAME SPIKE PROTEIN.

Lab or animal origin?

The scientific community who actually study this stuff go with ANIMAL transmission just like so many other viruses in the history of human viral diseases. We ARE MAMMALS. Mammals have ancestors as well. We dont do "poof" when we have another much more likely mechanism. Evolution via natural selection. And this site clearly has selection pressure for infection in humans. Get it?


Last sentence of an article about the House investigating the virus to follow. In An article newer than anything you have put up. Declassifying everything the House HAS SO FAR.
You disagree with the majority of the Sci community.

(Half the red team does not even believe in evolution. Most Trumpers dont agree on scientists concerning Climate Change, its nothing new. Its always political. You want China. And so does the blue team, Just not using false accusations because the Chinese are not helping us learning how this spread. The red team is not a bit bothered by overtly making false accusations and then wandering of to new theories. The Followers dont care, on to the next lie. Just like Trump. Deal all this misinformation and then put his ignorant lawyers and followers in jail for the planning.) Read something you can understand, dont do studies, you dont get them:

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162612886/covid-origins-bill

Read the last sentence in the article:
Meanwhile, the evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause, via exposure to an infected animal.

[Ef-man]

Then how are the other viruses categorized differently dumb shit?
Because they also have unique sequences as well within the spike protein. This site appears to be one of the reasons this virus infects humans suggesting this particular strain may be one to keep a look at for ANIMAL to human crossover.
So we are still in exactly the same argument. You still dont even fkn realize you do not have any new information! Other regions in other SARS like viruses that infect humans have a different recognition region WITHIN THE SAME PROTEIN. The 2003 SARS virus has a different recognition site in its spike protein (where the S1/S2 region is also located). Its the SAME recognition protein, just a DIFFERENT part of the SAME protein. The shape of the spike protein is how these viruses are able to recognize and bind to human cells. Its the same damn argument, you just dont understand the actual molecular biology verbiage. You dont get there are different coding sites WITHIN THE SAME SPIKE PROTEIN.

Lab or animal origin?

The scientific community who actually study this stuff go with ANIMAL transmission just like so many other viruses in the history of human viral diseases. We ARE MAMMALS. Mammals have ancestors as well. We dont do "poof" when we have another much more likely mechanism. Evolution via natural selection. And this site clearly has selection pressure for infection in humans. Get it?


Last sentence of an article about the House investigating the virus to follow. In An article newer than anything you have put up. Declassifying everything the House HAS SO FAR.
You disagree with the majority of the Sci community.

(Half the red team does not even believe in evolution. Most Trumpers dont agree on scientists concerning Climate Change, its nothing new. Its always political. You want China. And so does the blue team, Just not using false accusations because the Chinese are not helping us learning how this spread. The red team is not a bit bothered by overtly making false accusations and then wandering of to new theories. The Followers dont care, on to the next lie. Just like Trump. Deal all this misinformation and then put his ignorant lawyers and followers in jail for the planning.) Read something you can understand, dont do studies, you dont get them:

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162612886/covid-origins-bill

Read the last sentence in the article:
Meanwhile, the evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause, via exposure to an infected animal.



The idiot is too entrenched in conspiracies.

How simple are the facts? Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact.

The idiot needs to learn how to read. :lol

[pgardn]

Scientists can manipulate viral rna. Therefore Sars-cov-2 man made. Therefore it escaped from a lab in China.

vs.

Mutations occur naturally and are selected for by the environment (evolution)

Lets do the first and assume that the vast mechanism via evolution did not occur in this case. Burden of proof to find the exact animal sequence.
(so since we do not know the exact sequence of animals in the flu of 1917-18 its the lab theory as well)

Does not work like that TSA. We know you want it to, but we take the most likely and the simple explanation first.

[pgardn]

The idiot is too entrenched in conspiracies.

How simple are the facts? Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact.

The idiot needs to learn how to read. :lol

He copy pastes walls of text from journals he does not even understand.
And then I have to type walls of text explaining what he does not understand.
Must be a good troll job I guess. OR Dude is ultra dense.

[TSA]

Then how are the other viruses categorized differently dumb shit?
Because they also have unique sequences as well within the spike protein. This site appears to be one of the reasons this virus infects humans suggesting this particular strain may be one to keep a look at for ANIMAL to human crossover.
So we are still in exactly the same argument. You still dont even fkn realize you do not have any new information! Other regions in other SARS like viruses that infect humans have a different recognition region WITHIN THE SAME PROTEIN. The 2003 SARS virus has a different recognition site in its spike protein (where the S1/S2 region is also located). Its the SAME recognition protein, just a DIFFERENT part of the SAME protein. The shape of the spike protein is how these viruses are able to recognize and bind to human cells. Its the same damn argument, you just dont understand the actual molecular biology verbiage. You dont get there are different coding sites WITHIN THE SAME SPIKE PROTEIN.

Lab or animal origin?

The scientific community who actually study this stuff go with ANIMAL transmission just like so many other viruses in the history of human viral diseases. We ARE MAMMALS. Mammals have ancestors as well. We dont do "poof" when we have another much more likely mechanism. Evolution via natural selection. And this site clearly has selection pressure for infection in humans. Get it?


Last sentence of an article about the House investigating the virus to follow. In An article newer than anything you have put up. Declassifying everything the House HAS SO FAR.
You disagree with the majority of the Sci community.

(Half the red team does not even believe in evolution. Most Trumpers dont agree on scientists concerning Climate Change, its nothing new. Its always political. You want China. And so does the blue team, Just not using false accusations because the Chinese are not helping us learning how this spread. The red team is not a bit bothered by overtly making false accusations and then wandering of to new theories. The Followers dont care, on to the next lie. Just like Trump. Deal all this misinformation and then put his ignorant lawyers and followers in jail for the planning.) Read something you can understand, dont do studies, you dont get them:

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162612886/covid-origins-bill

Read the last sentence in the article:
Meanwhile, the evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause, via exposure to an infected animal.



I didn't post that as new information you fkn idiot. I posted that to show you how wrong you were when you claimed the site wasn't unique.


the SITE ITSELF is not unique.

"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/


Read the last sentence in the article:
Meanwhile, the evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause, via exposure to an infected animal.

What evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause? NPR didn't offer any proof, you didn't offer any proof, the greater scientific community hasn't offered any proof.

You just pull shit out of your ass and then move on.

[Ef-man]

He copy pastes walls of text from journals he does not even understand.
And then I have to type walls of text explaining what he does not understand.
Must be a good troll job I guess. OR Dude is ultra dense.

He is back to needing definitive proof to his standards schtick.

What an idiot. :lol

[TSA]

The idiot needs to learn how to read. :lolYou thought you read that raccoon dogs were infected with Covid. :lol

[Ef-man]

You thought you read that raccoon dogs were infected with Covid. :lol

The facts are simple.

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact.

Learn how to read, idiot. :lol

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/MSmelkinsonPhD/status/1640175945419042818

[TSA]

The facts are simple.

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact.

Learn how to read, idiot. :lolBolded for idiot.

"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/

[TSA]

Learn how to read, idiot. :lol

Show me in the shit study where you read that raccoon dogs were infected with Covid, idiot. :lol

[Winehole23]

clean indoor air is the clean water of the 21st century

:tu


The Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH) is launching a program that will distribute over 60,000 HEPA air purifiers to more than 3,000 Illinois schools to help reduce the transmission of respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. The $29.6 million program is funded by the CDC through the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 and is aimed at school districts serving lower-income communities and counties with elevated air pollution counts.

IDPH estimates that the program will cover 68 percent of school districts in the state, excluding Chicago, which received a separate federal grant. The portable air purifiers will be delivered to school districts in the coming months. Schools will generally be eligible for one small air filter unit for each 20 students in a school, with a limited number of larger units for districts with more than 1,000 students.
https://www.countryherald.com/news/local/illinois-bold-move-60000-hepa-air-purifiers-to-be-distributed-in-schools-to-battle-respiratory-viruses/

[Ef-man]

Show me in the shit study where you read that raccoon dogs were infected with Covid, idiot. :lol

First, explain the December 2019 covid map distribution around the market place, idiot.

The facts are simple.

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact.

Learn how to read, idiot. :lol

[TSA]

First, explain the December 2019 covid map distribution around the market place, idiot.

The facts are simple.

Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact.

Learn how to read, idiot. :lol

Sorry but we haven't finished with the racoon dog study you posted before the map. We can get to your China CDC map after.

Show me in the shit study where you read that raccoon dogs were infected with Covid, idiot.

[TSA]

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162612886/covid-origins-bill

Read the last sentence in the article:
Meanwhile, the evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause, via exposure to an infected animal.



"The bill comes amid debate over the virus' origins. Eight U.S. government agencies are investigating the source of COVID-19, and they remain very divided on the issue. None of them is certain about the cause. Four lean toward natural causes. Two haven't taken a position."

NPR couldn't even put to print that the remaining two agencies lean toward lab leak. :lol

[Hank Scorpio]

"The bill comes amid debate over the virus' origins. Eight U.S. government agencies are investigating the source of COVID-19, and they remain very divided on the issue. None of them is certain about the cause. Four lean toward natural causes. Two haven't taken a position."

NPR couldn't even put to print that the remaining two agencies lean toward lab leak. :lol

What do you want us to do with this info? Go to war with China? Start another Cold War? iirc I asked you this before and you didn't answer

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/MSmelkinsonPhD/status/1640175945419042818

Wow, those parents really dropped the ball letting their kids go to shit like that. One school year at home and they're fat zombies.

That's the most persuasive argument against home schooling I've ever seen.

[pgardn]

I didn't post that as new information you fkn idiot. I posted that to show you how wrong you were when you claimed the site wasn't unique.



"Several novel SARS-CoV-2-like genomes from horseshoe bats in Japan (Rc-o319), Cambodia (RshSTT182 and RshSTT200), Thailand (RacCS203, 224, 253, 263, and 271), Laos (BANAL-52, -103, -116, -236, and -247), and China (RpYN03-09) have been published (Murakami et al. 2020; Delaune et al. 2021; Temmam et al. 2021; Wacharapluesadee et al. 2021; Zhou et al. 2021). However, to this day, no known sarbecovirus except SARS-CoV-2 has an FCS insertion at the S1/S2 junction. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8689951/



What evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause? NPR didn't offer any proof, you didn't offer any proof, the greater scientific community hasn't offered any proof.

You just pull shit out of your ass and then move on.

Evolution through natural selection you fkn dumb ass. Just like the rest of the disease causing viruses fkn idiot!


Your are pulling the lab conjecture, thats the one being debated.
And its going to get out and other red team members will again shout total BS.
You keep putting up all these viruses as evidence and it just enhances the evolution through natural selection because thats the BEST evidence.

Are all of the virus you keep putting are up man-made? because they all have unique sequences ya damn fk stick.

[TSA]

What do you want us to do with this info? Go to war with China? Start another Cold War? iirc I asked you this before and you didn't answer

Stop risky GOF research in labs that aren't up to safety standards.

[pgardn]

"The bill comes amid debate over the virus' origins. Eight U.S. government agencies are investigating the source of COVID-19, and they remain very divided on the issue. None of them is certain about the cause. Four lean toward natural causes. Two haven't taken a position."

NPR couldn't even put to print that the remaining two agencies lean toward lab leak. :lol

Oh so because we have not found an animal virus yet the Security agencies ARE saying definitely lab leak?
So now you trust the security in the US? fkn hypocrite.

gtfoh dumb as... The scientists who know this well are clearly stating NATURAL. Can they rule out lab, no. Can they rule out aliens, no. Where did all of the other UNIQUE viruses you listed come from?

And yes we will look into it as much as we can.
Im telling YOUR dumb as the majority of scientists say Natural because thats how all the major pandemics are caused as far as we know.
So the 1918 flu could not have been a lab leak. What do you think produced this incredible virus of human death. 1/5 of the population, how was this virus created.
And there are many more BEFORE labs even existed that could fool with nucleic acids.

So answer the question, where did these other microbes come from?

[TSA]

Evolution through natural selection you fkn dumb ass. Just like the rest of the disease causing viruses fkn idiot!


Your are pulling the lab conjecture, thats the one being debated.
And its going to get out and other red team members will again shout total BS.
You keep putting up all these viruses as evidence and it just enhances the evolution through natural selection because thats the BEST evidence.

Are all of the virus you keep putting are up man-made? because they all have unique sequences ya damn fk stick.

You claimed the FCS wasn't unique and you were proven wrong. Move on.

What evidence produced by the greater scientific community points OVERWHELMINGLY to a natural cause? NPR didn't offer any proof, you didn't offer any proof, the greater scientific community hasn't offered any proof.

[TSA]

Oh so because we have not found an animal virus yet the Security agencies ARE saying definitely lab leak?
So now you trust the security in the US? fkn hypocrite.Do you not see the glaring omission by NPR? Why leave out the other 2 agencies conclusions?


gtfoh dumb as... The scientists who know this well are clearly stating NATURAL. Can they rule out lab, no. Can they rule out aliens, no.What scientists are you talking about? Name names and show studies.

[Hank Scorpio]

Stop risky GOF research in labs that aren't up to safety standards.

You think China listens to orders from the Democrats? Like they work for us

[pgardn]

Do you not see the glaring omission by NPR? Why leave out the other 2 agencies conclusions?

What scientists are you talking about? Name names and show studies.

Because they are not portrayed as likely as what the majority of the actual experts say.
What is your theory about why certain agencies? Are they trying to hold them captive in a pizza parlor?

The major scientists who have already worked with pandemics. The EVOLUTIONARY experts who have already traced the probable animal sources of other animals.
If I give you one, and you read the studies, you wont understand shit anyway.

[ChumpDumper]

Once I looked at the actual number of viruses in one (1) infected person and the number of those viruses expected to mutate, mutation seemed pretty plausible as the origin of the COVID-19 causing virus.

Is a human-manipulated origin also possible? Sure, but China isn't going to tell us anytime soon if it was nor will they admit it no matter how much internet sleuths bitch about them in their substacks and on twitter. China is beyond our control. All we can do now is make sure we kill as many vulnerable people as possible while further enriching the already ultra-rich the next time a virus presents us with the opportunity.

[TSA]

You think China listens to orders from the Democrats? Like they work for us

WIV was receiving funding from the US through EcoHealth Alliance.

[TSA]

Because they are not portrayed as likely as what the majority of the actual experts say.
What is your theory about why certain agencies? Are they trying to hold them captive in a pizza parlor?

4 agencies have low confidence it zoonotic.
1 agency has low confidence it was lab leak.
1 agency has moderate confidence it was lab leak.

Do you not see the glaring omission by NPR now?

You keep claiming the majority of actual experts say it was zoonotic and you've offered zero proof. Time to step up.

[ChumpDumper]

I've seen experts saying it was zoonotic.

I've seen experts saying it was a lab leak.

Now what?

[pgardn]

WIV was receiving funding from the US through EcoHealth Alliance.

And so what?

[pgardn]

4 agencies have low confidence it zoonotic.
1 agency has low confidence it was lab leak.
1 agency has moderate confidence it was lab leak.

Do you not see the glaring omission by NPR now?

You keep claiming the majority of actual experts say it was zoonotic and you've offered zero proof. Time to step up.

Your accounting for intelligence agencies is BS.
Glaring omission...

In February, the Wall Street Journal reported that the U.S. Department of Energy had assessed “with low confidence” that the virus had leaked from a lab. But others in the U.S. intelligence community disagree, believing it more likely it first came from animals. Experts say the true origin of the pandemic may not be known for many years — if ever

update

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/new-covid-origins-study-links-pandemics-beginning-to-animals-not-a-lab

[Ef-man]

Sorry but we haven't finished with the racoon dog study you posted before the map. We can get to your China CDC map after.

Show me in the shit study where you read that raccoon dogs were infected with Covid, idiot.

Stop deflecting and get to explaining the map, idiot. Chop, chop.

[pgardn]

later...

Hope to see TSA keep taking the least likely route.
Say TSA, where did the virus during WW1 come from? Your educated guess? I have asked you about 3 or 4 different times now.
Again.
Keep going TSA.
Just stop with the studies. You have no understanding of what you are writing.

[TSA]

Your accounting for intelligence agencies is BS.
Glaring omission...

[COLOR=#31445D][FONT=Akkurat]In February, the Wall Street Journal reported that the U.S. Department of Energy had assessed “with low confidence” that the virus had leaked from a lab. But others in the U.S. intelligence community disagree, believing it more likely it first came from animals. Experts say the true origin of the pandemic may not be known for many years — if ever

My accounting for intelligence agencies is spot on.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf


update

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/new-covid-origins-study-links-pandemics-beginning-to-animals-not-a-labUpdate?

You realize this is the racoon dog study that only determined that there was covid genetic material found in the market and racoon dog genetic material found in the market correct? This is the same shit study Ef-man was pushing :lol

[TSA]

The major scientists who have already worked with pandemics. The EVOLUTIONARY experts who have already traced the probable animal sources of other animals.
If I give you one, and you read the studies, you wont understand shit anyway.

Would even one of these scientists you keep referring to but never actually name happen to be a co-author of the proximal origin paper?

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1641106489166401536

[pgardn]

My accounting for intelligence agencies is spot on.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf

Update?

You realize this is the racoon dog study that only determined that there was covid genetic material found in the market and racoon dog genetic material found in the market correct? This is the same shit study Ef-man was pushing :lol

The update is not about one study. And you know this. Give the most recent breakdown of all the government agencies that are looking into this and which way they lean. I will take the people who actually try to follow the paths that are most likely until something convincing comes up otherwise. They have already done this kind of work before and thats a huge advantage over people who just say "nature would not do it this way". They dont have the background in evolution of these diseases. They manipulate NA in a lab. They have not seen the range of sequences others have.

And if one study was enough to change many minds as you indicate, then it probably has a better line of reasoning.
The lab origin should be much more difficult to prove because no pandemic has ever been linked to a lab leak.
ANd MANY studies cant say for sure what the animal line is! Just like we keep changing the linkage of modern Homo Sapiens when we find a new skull.
The EXACT pathways are very difficult if the virus has been around for a while. All of these are coronaviruses. Currently you have given one spot that is not at all convincing in many people's opinion and you dont even know why its not convincing because you cant read what this even means. A scientist saying "this is not mutations that made this sequence" should be saying, "having manipulating things in the lab I dont see how nature could do this, but WE have been wrong before. We have found some very bizarre sequences in living things that originated BEFORE we even knew how to manipulate genetic material." So we cant be sure this is NOT natural. At this point I totally hold to natural via mutations and evolution. The classified stuff is probably not going to change any minds, its already out and looked at by people with much more expertise.

Darrin could you please post the link to your paper. I cant see it and I would like to know. It could be interesting for me personally. Thanks.

TSA has no idea how many papers come out like the racoon dog study as a beginning to keep looking. It may be a dead end but you still look at it. This is not at all abnormal. It just says take a further look.

TSA needs to clearly state why he believes the lab leak origin in HIS OWN WORDS. If it convinces a person who does not even understand the difference between spike protein, furin cleavage site, base sequence change in furin cleavage site, and the acts like the word novel means man made, we must have a better way. The sketch of genealogy off of a basic plan put up by Darrin would be appreciated.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1641106489166401536

Furin cleavage sites were already in SARS-like viruses.
We already went though this.
You still dont understand what you are arguing.

[pgardn]

Stop risky GOF research in labs that aren't up to safety standards.

Its also called loss of function and it is extremely to determine origins of virus lineages as a tool.
Stop the risky research with the Human Genome that the chinese scientists were already thrown in jail for (human crispr studies)
Unfortunately Gain or loss of function research is also used in bioweapons (which so far have turned out not useful at all on the battlefield)
This also is put under chemical weapons research unfortunately, just to confuse and hide.

[RandomGuy]

The author is publishing. Pre-print I linked earlier.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1

The burden of proof has not been met but the evidence coming out now is strongly pointing to a lab leak. Even a majority of democrats think it's true or probably true it leaked from a lab. I'm in that camp as well. I am not in the camp that thinks it was released on purpose.

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/03/10/americans-believe-covid-origin-lab


The group of researchers now that keep pushing zoonotic origin are a small but vocal group. The latest push with the shitty racoon dog study that got them kicked off of GISAID for violating the terms of service was pathetic. They purposely rushed to release the report to get ahead of the Gao pre-print that was going to be released to the public. Absolutely disgusting behavior by them and shame on the Atlantic for helping the push the story.

(shrugs)

The burden of proof has not been met, as noted.

Happy to leave it to the scientists. Just like I am happy to leave it to Trumps prosecutors.

[DarrinS]

(shrugs)
Happy to leave it to the scientists. Just like I am happy to leave it to Trumps prosecutors.

I completely understand you now. :lol

[RandomGuy]

I completely understand you now. :lol

How have you been man?

[TSA]

Would even one of these scientists you keep referring to but never actually name happen to be a co-author of the proximal origin paper?https://twitter.com/emilyakopp/status/1645781871156920320
pgardn was Farrar, Andersen, Daszak, or Baric one of the scientists you keep bringing up but never actually name?

[pgardn]

Joel Wertheim
and there are lots more that are EVOLUTIONARY MOLECULAR BIOLOGISTS that under stand very well what you call novel has been accomplished in Nature many, many times.
And you try and make fun of the racoon dog study but this is exactly the type of papers you have to start out with as tracing origins of animals with the virus is very difficult and takes time.

AGAIN. The Flu of 1917 was far worse than Covid and was very NOVEL and could not have possibly been started by a lab because we did not even know the function of nucleic acids. WE STILL are not sure of the animal origins but certainly dont say it was a lab. Where do you think it came from? Now after you go and look up Wertheim follow the path of EVOLUTIONARY molecular biologists that have traced other diseases to animal origins and you have your list. And it makes sense because its much more likely NATURE lead to the pandemic than a lab leak. And lab leaks have happened in the past. Zero have cause pandemics.

You are thick headed and or disingenuous because you dont know what the fk you are reading.
Explain Novel from a molecular point of view.

[TSA]

Joel Wertheim
and there are lots more that are EVOLUTIONARY MOLECULAR BIOLOGISTS that under stand very well what you call novel has been accomplished in Nature many, many times.
And you try and make fun of the racoon dog study but this is exactly the type of papers you have to start out with as tracing origins of animals with the virus is very difficult and takes time.

AGAIN. The Flu of 1917 was far worse than Covid and was very NOVEL and could not have possibly been started by a lab because we did not even know the function of nucleic acids. WE STILL are not sure of the animal origins but certainly dont say it was a lab. Where do you think it came from? Now after you go and look up Wertheim follow the path of EVOLUTIONARY molecular biologists that have traced other diseases to animal origins and you have your list. And it makes sense because its much more likely NATURE lead to the pandemic than a lab leak. And lab leaks have happened in the past. Zero have cause pandemics.

You are thick headed and or disingenuous because you dont know what the fk you are reading.
Explain Novel from a molecular point of view.

You didn't answer the question. Was Farrar, Andersen, Daszak, or Baric one of the scientists you keep bringing up but never actually name?

[pgardn]

You didn't answer the question. Was Farrar, Andersen, Daszak, or Baric one of the scientists you keep bringing up but never actually name?

I DID NOT answer a question? You avoid all of mine.

The guys you mention think they have found sequences they thought had the hallmark of engineering but its quite clear from the EVOLUTIONARY guys that this is not the case at all. These scientists are NOT as well trained in sequences found in nature or have the hallmark of natural mutations. They think they have found something that looks like engineers because thats what they have always looked at.

[pgardn]

Dont worry TSA.

This is all coming from the red team House committee stuff.
You will have plenty more you dont understand.

We do need China to help us. China has already thrown a scientist in jail because of CRISPR experiment. So you will have plenty of inane tweets to choose from.

[TSA]

I DID NOT answer a question? You avoid all of mine.

The guys you mention think they have found sequences they thought had the hallmark of engineering but its quite clear from the EVOLUTIONARY guys that this is not the case at all. These scientists are NOT as well trained in sequences found in nature or have the hallmark of natural mutations. They think they have found something that looks like engineers because thats what they have always looked at.

What are your thoughts on the Proximal Origin paper published in Nature Medicine?

[pgardn]

What are your thoughts on the Proximal Origin paper published in Nature Medicine?

I think optimized sites for binding is exactly the type of viral mutation that would be selected for Naturally. And there are other mutations not in the spike protein that would make NO SENSE to change but are changed. Just like random mutations do. Not all of it makes sense from a natural selection point of view. But mutated sequences "piggy back" on sequences that do get selected for naturally. We have thousands of examples of this type of thing. Evolutionary molecular biologists know these things.

How would you explain the orgin of the 1917 flu virus?

[TSA]

I DID NOT answer a question? You avoid all of mine.

The guys you mention think they have found sequences they thought had the hallmark of engineering but its quite clear from the EVOLUTIONARY guys that this is not the case at all. These scientists are NOT as well trained in sequences found in nature or have the hallmark of natural mutations. They think they have found something that looks like engineers because thats what they have always looked at.

You don't think the team Fauci assembled was qualified enough?

[pgardn]

You don't think the team Fauci assembled was qualified enough?

No.
I actually like that they represent a counter balance.
But I absolutely understand why Fauci moved on to more likley studies and people to get at the actual answer.
Imo we need to have access to the Chinese info as it would make some of this a lot more efficient.

But scientists spurned can be as bad as any other human being. I also understand this.
Its very exciting if your paper makes a huge discovery. Its kind of blah if we say, "welp, we can rule out a lab origin"
Studies in science often find nothing new, they just eliminate a scientists favored theory. Some scientists actually understand this. And some have a certain way of thinking that make them doggedly determined they are correct. Because it sounds so good. There are personalities in Science. Fauci is one who grew a lot in his studies with AIDS. He learned. Thats why I trust him. People dont know his story and how he has grown in understanding. Its why he was selected. But he is NOT a very good politician imo. A bunch of experts are not good politicians. He and Birk disagreed with a lot of stuff as well. But they basically agreed that Trump was not to be trusted. "I understand this better than anyone"

[pgardn]

im out...

[TSA]

No.
I actually like that they represent a counter balance.
But I absolutely understand why Fauci moved on to more likley studies and people to get at the actual answer.

Do you even know what the Proximal Origin paper is about and what it claims?

[pgardn]

Do you even know what the Proximal Origin paper is about and what it claims?

Yes.
I do.
It says mostly what I have been saying all along.


Do you understand what it says and why?
When the word sequence is used without context, what question should you IMMEDIATELY ask?

[InRareForm]

Great, just when there is no more testing and research , new infectious variant emerges

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arcturus-highly-transmissible-covid-variant-004116935.html

[Winehole23]

I'm on day 4 of COVID isolation, very mild progression for me so far. My main concern is not getting my wife infected.

I'll keep masking in crowded public places because I'd like to mitigate the chances of infection/reinfection for me and for others.

The correlation between COVID and a large host of conditions -- diabetes, heart disease, thrombosis/stroke, immune dysregulation and autoimmunity -- keeps getting stronger.


1646577722888519686

[Winehole23]

Great, just when there is no more testing and research , new infectious variant emerges

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arcturus-highly-transmissible-covid-variant-004116935.htmlPartly agree, partly disagree.

Not having a national health care system like the UK or Israel made data collection a challenge to begin with, now that the political will to maintain it has dissipated, so will awareness of the ongoing risks and impacts. No data, no problem.

OTOH, Brandon managed to find $5B in the HHS budget for the development of new vaccines and monoclonals, and private sector/academic research continues. Hopefully we get some pancoronavirus vaccines, some nasal vaccines, something that confers sterilizing immunity, so that, in principle, we can start to manage the ongoing public health problem SARS2 still presents. Biden's vax only approach is artificially narrow, but it's not nothing, and it could lead to a breakthrough.

"Live with COVID, die for the good of the economy" continues to be the tacit ethic here

[Winehole23]

In terms of sequence and epitope expression, the XBB omicron subvariant is now as distant from wild-type SARS-CoV-2 as SARS-CoV-2 is from SARS-CoV, such that XBB should probably be called SARS-CoV-3https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(23)00138-X/fulltext

[pgardn]

I'm on day 4 of COVID isolation, very mild progression for me so far. My main concern is not getting my wife infected.

I'll keep masking in crowded public places because I'd like to mitigate the chances of infection/reinfection for me and for others.

The correlation between COVID and a large host of conditions -- diabetes, heart disease, thrombosis/stroke, immune dysregulation and autoimmunity -- keeps getting stronger.


1646577722888519686

get well…

[Winehole23]

get well…thanks

I'm symptom free today, but still testing positive.

[Ef-man]

thanks

I'm symptom free today, but still testing positive.

That sounds positive.

Get well and continued success in not getting anyone ill!

[Winehole23]

That sounds positive.

Get well and continued success in not getting anyone ill!appreciate the kind words, I'm feeling basically OK today. I'm lucky to have gone so long without getting it, and glad I got the bivalent booster.

[Winehole23]

Increased risk of autoimmune diseases, in triplicate.


When we published our comprehensive review of Long Covid (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2) earlier this year, the evidence for elevated risk of autoimmune diseases had not been established. That’s now changed. There are three large cohort studies that provide strong support of the “substantially increased risk of developing a diverse spectrum of new-onset autoimmune diseases.” (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41584-023-00964-y)


The Table below is the summary of the 3 reports (here (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00512-0/fulltext), here (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.01.25.23285014v1) and here (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.06.22280775v1)) that come from 3 different countries, each with matched control groups. The increased risk of multiple new autoimmune conditions is fairly consistent, about 20-40%.

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The analysis of the data from the United States is notable because it considered and adjusted for competing risks, that is one or more severe outcomes that could compete with the outcome of interest. Before this adjustment, as seen below, the risk for the spectrum of autoimmune disease ranged from about 2-3 fold (hazard ratio at far right, adjusted).



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And here is the corresponding Figure



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When competing risks were factored in there was still a significant increased risk, but more in keeping with the other 2 reports (20-40%). The cohort analyzed excluded any individual who had received a Covid vaccine.



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The analysis partitioned the cases and controls as to whether they had severe Covid (hospitalized) or were out-patients. The risk was more elevated in the people with mild to moderate Covid, as seen below. Somewhat surprising, given the higher incidence of autoimmune disease among women and younger age groups, there were no substantial overall differences noted by age, sex, or race, but specific autoimmune diseases did vary (e.g. Behcet’s disease, dermatomyositis, systemic sclerosis and mixed connective tissue disease excess only found in women; systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) in Asians; psoriasis and ankylosing spondylitis in Blacks). In contrast, the other 2 studies reported a somewhat higher incidence of new autoimmune diseases among women and the German study showed a higher risk among in-patients. None of the 3 reports had data for the effect of vaccination.



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In contrast with respect to risk according to severity of Covid, the German study



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The US report concluded: “Given the large sample size and relatively modest effects these findings should be replicated in an independent dataset.” Well now this finding has been seen in triplicate and it appears to provide unequivocal support for the link (an association, not yet established as cause and effect) between Covid and subsequent risk of developing autoimmune diseases.
https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-heightened-risk-of-autoimmune

[Winehole23]

Knock on effects may include the bolded.



Lymphocytopenia is a total lymphocyte count of < 1000/mcL ( 1 × 109/L) in adults or < 3000/mcL (< 3 × 109/L) in children < 2 years. Sequelae include opportunistic infections and an increased risk of malignant and autoimmune disorders. If the complete blood count reveals lymphocytopenia, testing for immunodeficiency and analysis of lymphocyte subpopulations should follow, usually after the patient has recovered from any acute event. Treatment is directed at the underlying disorder.



Etiology:


Acquired lymphocytopenia can occur with a number of other disorders (see table Causes of Lymphocytopenia).
The most common causes include



Protein-energy undernutrition
HIV infection
COVID-19
Certain other viral infections


https://www.msdmanuals.com/en-sg/professional/hematology-and-oncology/leukopenias/lymphocytopenia

[Winehole23]

Increased short term risk of shingles.

n= 1,221,343


Kaplan–Meier curve analysis (log-rank p < 0.05) results indicated that the risk of HZ remained significantly higher in patients with COVID-19 compared with those without COVID-19. Finally, the higher risk of HZ in the COVID-19 cohort compared with that in the non-COVID-19 cohort remained consistent across subgroup analyses regardless of vaccine status, age, or sex. The risk of HZ within a 12-month follow-up period was significantly higher in patients who had recovered from COVID-19 compared with that in the control group. This result highlights the importance of carefully monitoring HZ in this population and suggests the potential benefit of the HZ vaccine for patients with COVID-19.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.28745

[Winehole23]

COVID infection appears to unlock proinflammatory human endogenous retroviruses (HERVs), possibly contributing to the long COVID secondary pandemic.


Altogether, these data indicate that HERV-W ENV does not simply represent a biomarker of COVID-19 severity or evolution but is also likely to be a superimposed pathogenic player contributing to the disease severity and may help to explain the inter-individual variability in COVID-19 manifestations. In addition, it may play a role in the clinical evolution with possible long-termpathology as seen with the now emerging post-COVID secondary pandemic representing millions of patients suffering from various symptoms and long-term disabling pathology for which no rationalized understanding nor therapeutic perspective can be proposed to date. In face of this challenging situation, data from the present study strongly suggest HERV-W ENV as a marker of severity and as a potential therapeutic target for personalized medical approaches in in COVID-19 associated syndromes.https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2589-0042(23)00681-8.pdf

[Winehole23]

COVID is a vascular disease with chronic dimensions.


The results point toward the existence of a widespread and long-lasting pathological process in the vasculature following mild COVID-19 disease, with heterogeneous individual responses, some of which may be triggered by an autoimmune response to COVID-19.https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/12/6/2123

[pgardn]

With as widespread and all the variation involved I may have had it and not known it because vaccinated.
No symptoms. Never tested positive with the nasal swab test. But very well should have antibodies.
I only know about 3 folks who have not gotten it (gotten it means symptoms and + antigen test)
Six people, all older folks, died. But I have a bunch of older relatives with friends so that may be skewed.
I have also know older folks who waltzed through it and all were vaccinated at least twice.

[SnakeBoy]

Great, just when there is no more testing and research , new infectious variant emerges

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arcturus-highly-transmissible-covid-variant-004116935.html

Everybody gets the sniffles, repeatedly.

[InRareForm]

Articus looks like a weak burger

[Winehole23]

So much for disease control.

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[Winehole23]

"The right to infect others shall not be infringed"

[Winehole23]

‘We discovered that influenza and COVID-19 destroy a previously unknown natural immunity that we need to resist invasive fungal infections,’ says Nicole Sarden, a PhD candidate at the University of Calgary and first author on the study. The findings published in Science Translational Medicine show that two types of white blood cell (neutrophils and a unique type of B cells) normally work together to fight fungal infection. However, viruses like SARS-CoV-2 and influenza impede the special B cells from doing their jobhttps://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20230112/New-insights-into-deadly-fungal-invasion-in-people-with-compromised-immune-systems.aspx

[pgardn]

https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20230112/New-insights-into-deadly-fungal-invasion-in-people-with-compromised-immune-systems.aspx

Fungal infections can be extraordinarily difficult to get rid of.

[Winehole23]

Small sample size, 12 long COVID patients, but a dire finding: immune exhaustion.


We compared plasma cytokine levels from individuals with long-COVID to healthy individuals and found that those with long-COVID had 100% reductions in circulating levels of Interferon Gamma (IFNγ) and Interleukin-8 (IL-8). Additionally, we found significant reductions in levels of IL-6, IL-2, IL-17, IL-13, and IL-4 in individuals with long-COVID. We propose immune exhaustion as the driver of long-COVID, with the complete absence of IFNγ and IL-8preventing the lungs and other organs from healing after acute infection, and reducing the ability to fight off subsequent infections, both contributing to the myriad of symptoms suffered by those with long-COVIDhttps://www.longdom.org/open-access/cytokine-deficiencies-in-patients-with-longcovid-95498.html

[Winehole23]

Anecdotal, would be interesting to see a proper study on this.

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[DarrinS]

Still haven't met a single "long covid" zombie. :lol

[Winehole23]

Still haven't met a single "long covid" zombie. :lolyou used to say the same about COVID patients. your tune has changed since then.

[SnakeBoy]

you used to say the same about COVID patients. your tune has changed since then.

How did your 3rd covid quarantine go?

[Winehole23]

How did your 3rd covid quarantine go?It was my second, my wife got it last winter. It went fine, she didn't get sick. I only felt crappy a few days, but it took me nearly two weeks to clear the virus. I watched the Last Kingdom and three seasons of Sucession.

[DarrinS]

It was my second, my wife got it last winter. It went fine, she didn't get sick. I only felt crappy a few days, but it took me nearly two weeks to clear the virus. I watched the Last Kingdom and three seasons of Sucession.

Hopefully, you didn't create an army of long covid zombies.

[Winehole23]

Hopefully, you didn't create an army of long covid zombies.Hopefully not. I'm more careful than most. I try to mitigate the risk.

Given my personal history, I judge it more likely for me to be a superspreader than a victim.

I seldom get sick. On the order of like, once or twice a decade.

[Winehole23]

No data, no problem!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvLF3-baUAAUclx?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

Some of the animals are more equal than others.

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[Winehole23]

About 1,000 of those daily deaths are here in the US.

~170,000 people in the US died of COVID last year.

[pgardn]

Covid has finally fallen to 4 th leading cause of death behind cancer, heart disease, accidents.
Still leads strokes and other cerebrovascular deaths. I imagine some heart disease overlap is present.
Sniffles... not...

[ElNono]

Covid has finally fallen to 4 th leading cause of death behind cancer, heart disease, accidents.

Thanks science for the vaccines!

[InRareForm]

Is it over ?

[SnakeBoy]

Is it over ?

Almost, officially ends on Thursday.

[baseline bum]

Is it over ?

Shit won't be over until we're extinct tbh

[Winehole23]

Almost, officially ends on Thursday.the official emergency will elapse, the ongoing pandemic won't.

[ChumpDumper]

Abbott says his COVID emergency is not over.

[Winehole23]

Abbott says his COVID emergency is not over.he needs the discretion to move funds around for his potemkin border enforcement.

[Winehole23]

lol the Texas COVID emergency lasting longer

[ElNono]

lol the Texas COVID emergency lasting longer

dem Federal dollars....

[Winehole23]

We're worse prepared than before. A 20% chance of a new VOC in the next two years isn't trivial.

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[Winehole23]

Maybe one of our resident furin cleavage experts can weigh in


Notably, Bat CoV CD35 harbored a canonical furin-like S1/S2 cleavage site that resembles the corresponding sites of SARS-CoV-2. The furin cleavage sites between CD35 and CD36 are identical. In addition, the receptor-binding domain of Bat CoV CD35 showed a highly similar structure to that of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2, especially in one binding loop. In conclusion, this study deepens our understanding of the diversity of coronaviruses and provides clues about the natural origin of the furin cleavage site of SARS-CoV-2.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1995820X23000470

[Winehole23]

Significant ongoing health burden correlated with infection.


Methods

We conducted a population-representative survey, 30 June–2 July 2022, of a random sample of 3042 US adults aged 18 years or older and weighted to the 2020 US population. Using questions developed by the UK's Office of National Statistics, we estimated the prevalence of long COVID, by sociodemographics, adjusting for gender and age.

Results
An estimated 7.3% (95% confidence interval: 6.1–8.5%) of all respondents reported long COVID, corresponding to approximately 18 828 696 adults. One-quarter (25.3% [18.2–32.4%]) of respondents with long COVID reported their day-to-day activities were impacted “a lot” and 28.9% had severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection more than 12 months ago. The prevalence of long COVID was higher among respondents who were female (adjusted prevalence ratio [aPR]: 1.84 [1.40–2.42]), had comorbidities (aPR: 1.55 [1.19–2.00]), or were not (vs were) boosted (aPR: 1.67 [1.19–2.34]) or not vaccinated (vs boosted) (aPR: 1.41 [1.05–1.91]).

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/76/9/1636/6948437?login=false

[SnakeBoy]

It's over

[RandomGuy]

It's over

Unfortunately the epidemic of right wing violence continues.

Too bad cowards like you don't have the nuts to stop it.

https://freedomrockradio.co/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/1683596313_943_Allen-Texas-Mall-Shooter-Had-Swastika-SS-Tattoos-and-Right.jpg

[boutons_deux]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r4154280650949161279&th=1880d245fe322264&view=fimg&fur=ip&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ_8GHVcqDWXYtUtGK2jzJNuUCwkXne-dvC5C7SnXoy_p5AZXG9EAf_3MJa6-j9RzD4XNzhW6VUIe9y58H7YipeyXeTZUaiaAOe7TDb6ob55-UMWm2INdbXAIp8&disp=emb&realattid=ii_lhjrf7md0

dead kids, dead teens, USA is World Champion, such dead for the Repugs, Cruz, NRA, gun fellators, SCOTUS, are "the price of freedom"

what a fucked up country.

2nd Amendment fucking TEXT, from musket loading time, does not mention unlimited arms for self/home defense.

When textualist/originalist SCOTUS cheap whores want to rule for their fascist politics, textualism and originalism are ignored.

[Winehole23]

It's overnot even close

[boutons_deux]

not even close

135 US covid deaths/week

7% - 10% according to UK report, in long covid

1.1 M US covid deaths, a few 100K dead directly due to Trash's self-serving misdirection and incompetence going back to 2017, and after the pandemic hit.

Convicted sexual predator, twice impeached, will never sniff the WH again.

Nor will Desantis

[Winehole23]

Indoor air quality is the public water sanitation of the 21st century.

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[Winehole23]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/ventilation.html

[SnakeBoy]

CDC regurgitating Florence Nightingale from the 1800's

lol science progress

[Hank Scorpio]

135 US covid deaths/week

7% - 10% according to UK report, in long covid

1.1 M US covid deaths, a few 100K dead directly due to Trash's self-serving misdirection and incompetence going back to 2017, and after the pandemic hit.

Convicted sexual predator, twice impeached, will never sniff the WH again.

Nor will Desantis

If you're vaccinated it's no worse than the flu

[Winehole23]

even mild COVID can lead to heart problems, thrombosis and stroke up to one year later.


YOU JUST PUBLISHED A STUDY THAT SAYS THAT IN SOME PEOPLE WHO’VE HAD COVID, HEART ISSUES CAN PERSIST FOR A YEAR OR MORE. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AND WHAT DID YOU STUDY?

We've known for a while that during the acute phase—the first 30 days of COVID-19—people who have severe disease and need to be admitted to the hospital or ICU may develop heart complications. We didn't know what happened to people's hearts in the long term—six months to a year out—or what happened to people who had mild disease and did not need hospitalization or ICU care.

We did this study to evaluate the one-year risk of heart problems in people who got COVID-19, compared to nearly 11 million controls of people who did not.

WHAT DID YOU FIND?

The major finding was that people with COVID-19 have a higher risk of all sorts of heart problems at one year. That included arrhythmias (irregular heart beats or the heart beating too fast or too slow) and atrial fibrillation (a fast heart rhythm in a particular pattern). We found evidence of an increased risk of stroke, of blood clots in the legs and the lungs, and of heart failure and heart attacks. The increased risk of a broad spectrum of heart problems was evident.

I went into it thinking that [the risk] was going to be most pronounced and evident in people who smoked a lot or had diabetes, heart disease, kidney disease, or some [other] risk factors. What we found is that even in people who did not have any heart problems start with, were athletic, did not have a high BMI, were not obese, did not smoke, did not have kidney disease or diabetes—even in people who were previously healthy and had no risk factors or problems with the heart—COVID-19 affected them in such a way that manifested the higher risk of heart problems than people who did not get COVID-19.

It was really eye-opening that the risk was also evident in people who did not have severe COVID-19 that necessitated hospitalization or ICU care. People who got COVID-19 and were asymptomatic, or got COVID-19 that was so mild that they were able to nurse it at home, without going to the doctor still developed an increased risk of heart problems a year out.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/covid-and-the-heart-it-spares-no-one

[Winehole23]

COVID is a vascular disease.

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[Winehole23]

CDC regurgitating Florence Nightingale from the 1800's

lol science progress

https://cdn-media.threadless.com/submissions/534956-a3c2d81cb53f0b3827568787124947ff.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

Nice recap of how delusional you libs became when you were ascared

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[Blake]

Nice recap of how delusional you libs became when you were ascared

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People died because of it. Wtf is wrong with you pubs?

[Winehole23]

They got high on the casket fumes, tbh. Smells like genocide.

SnakeBoy makes a big show of calling COVID the sniffles, but I think it turns him on that so many people died, it's sort of what makes his teasing poignant.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

CDC regurgitating Florence Nightingale from the 1800's

lol science progress

Newton's calculus is still good from 4 times as long ago. You don't understand how science works or how to argue it.

Florence Nightingale is now bad to GOPotards though. That is funny at least. Put her in with social justice and enlightenment.

[Monostradamus]

Nice recap of how delusional you libs became when you were ascared

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-Right Wing blowhard
-“best video ever”
-“100% wrong”
-“bro trust me”
-Video that proves nothing

BINGO! I have Conservative Twitter BINGO!

[DarrinS]

Nice recap of how delusional you libs became when you were ascared

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The only time I got sick was from PfizerCarditis. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Nice recap of how delusional you libs became when you were ascared

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Is this like that time white millennials were fleeing the Democratic party?

keep leaning into the culture war stupidity.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2020/06/PP_2020.06.02_party-id_2-01-1.png

[pgardn]

Oh the days of the death panels seem to be forgotten by the red team...

[Winehole23]

COVID isn't the common cold

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[Winehole23]

the "COVID emergency is over" CDC conference was a COVID superspreader event.

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu6AZKzWcAIcTpV?format=jpg&name=largehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/04/28/covid-cases-cdc-conference/

[Monostradamus]

https://i.ibb.co/3pWhkqF/IMG-2198.jpg

Sound off if you died 5 days ago!

[Ef-man]

https://i.ibb.co/3pWhkqF/IMG-2198.jpg

Sound off if you died 5 days ago!

I know someone that claimed they were in korea who has disappeared, if that is of any importance.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wMEYKlkUTA

[spurraider21]

over a million americans died to covid and people still act like it was overblown. people were shrugging it off when we were having daily 911-esque death tolls. and who knows what the total numbers would have been but for the vaccines.

i dno what the magic number for deaths is before we can acknowledge that a disease was worth the attention it got.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

over a million americans died to covid and people still act like it was overblown. people were shrugging it off when we were having daily 911-esque death tolls. and who knows what the total numbers would have been but for the vaccines.

i dno what the magic number for deaths is before we can acknowledge that a disease was worth the attention it got.

a million people died with a certain level of covid antibody but I am not so sure of the causation.

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin is so bitter he didn't dieded.

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wMEYKlkUTA

It's weird how libs respond to these videos of them spouting now scientifically proven lies

[Winehole23]

Like what, SnakeBoy? Are you talking about anyone here, or just waving your hands at nobody?

[pgardn]

It's weird how libs respond to these videos of them spouting now scientifically proven lies

Its weird how you can lie to yourself convincingly.

Part of the emergency is the damn thing was spreading so fast we filled up hospitals and burned out the medical community.
The Trump conservatives still dont believe what people actually lived through. "Stay home with your Covid because we cant deal with you in our hospitals."
Unvaccinated fools then replaced the first big surge to keep the medical community exhausted.

Totally forgotten like the sniveling cowards they are. Its still the sniffles for Snake Derp even though hospitals are not overwhelmed like before. Its not a cold virus.
The long term Covid is still becoming more relevant as we put this stuff together. And remember, tobacco in the lungs is fine, Snake's grandad, Evil Serpent, smoked till he was 86. And he is now 119.

[ElNono]

over a million americans died to covid and people still act like it was overblown. people were shrugging it off when we were having daily 911-esque death tolls. and who knows what the total numbers would have been but for the vaccines.

i dno what the magic number for deaths is before we can acknowledge that a disease was worth the attention it got.

Largest health emergency in a century by pretty much any metric, but muh sniffles and not in da zip code...

[Adam Lambert]

Darrin is so bitter he didn't dieded.

"The worst I felt was when I got the vaccine."

He's so close to understanding how vaccines work.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Largest health emergency in a century by pretty much any metric, but muh sniffles and not in da zip code...

Meh AIDS was killing a million a year up until 04 and still are good for ~700k a year. Neither one is the bubonic plague.

[ElNono]

Meh AIDS was killing a million a year up until 04 and still are good for ~700k a year. Neither one is the bubonic plague.

Points taken. I'm not downplaying those, but AIDS transmission is substantially more difficult, at least compared to an airborne disease.

AIDS is certainly more comparable when it comes to modern standards of medicine.

That said, this thing shoot up as a top 3 leading causes of death (at least in the US) for a while, and that's something we haven't seen in decades.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Points taken. I'm not downplaying those, but AIDS transmission is substantially more difficult, at least compared to an airborne disease.

AIDS is certainly more comparable when it comes to modern standards of medicine.

That said, this thing shoot up as a top 3 leading causes of death (at least in the US) for a while, and that's something we haven't seen in decades.

Sure but the probability is only part of the risk calculation. It was an absolute death sentence up until the aforementioned date. I'll take long COVID and a daily regimen of methotrexate over 1990 AIDS.

I guess my point is what am I supposed to take from this? They have created an entire industry around the disease and given the nature of vaccines it is incredibly profitable. R&D will continue because of that regardless of political will. I wear a mask around at risk groups.

[pgardn]

Sure but the probability is only part of the risk calculation. It was an absolute death sentence up until the aforementioned date. I'll take long COVID and a daily regimen of methotrexate over 1990 AIDS.

I guess my point is what am I supposed to take from this? They have created an entire industry around the disease and given the nature of vaccines it is incredibly profitable. R&D will continue because of that regardless of political will. I wear a mask around at risk groups.

This is part of the incredible story.
The vaccine worked extraordinarily well. AIDS... no vaccine. And look how we had all these unvaccinated fools keeping the damn thing going. Fuel. It was super stupid.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is part of the incredible story.
The vaccine worked extraordinarily well. AIDS... no vaccine. And look how we had all these unvaccinated fools keeping the damn thing going. Fuel. It was super stupid.

It's a retrovirus. Vaccines are mitigated severely because of it. Like the flu.

Development in the AIDS treatments unquestionably assisted in the development of the COVID vaccination procedures. At least here there is a groundswell of support for research. With AIDS, it was labeled the gay disease and ignored for a decade.

We failed miserably in the outbreak response both times.

[pgardn]

It's a retrovirus. Vaccines are mitigated severely because of it. Like the flu.

Development in the AIDS treatments unquestionably assisted in the development of the COVID vaccination procedures. At least here there is a groundswell of support for research. With AIDS, it was labeled the gay disease and ignored for a decade.

We failed miserably in the outbreak response both times.

Yep. And AIDS could be "ignored" because it was not nearly as transmissible and was easily blamed on immoral behavior. It was not nearly as acute a problem. It could be forgotten about as it did not cause entire medical complexes to be overwhelmed. But it did have its very scary " moment" as... no cure.
The huge failure with Covid to begin was with the leader of your country plays to the no vaccine crowd was a tremendous part of the problem imo.
The advances made in vaccines is pretty incredible. Its why China has paid a bigger price, shitty vaccine.

Malaria is still the biggest killer caused by pathogenic organisms. The thread on Malaria is non existent on this board. So I get it.

[DarrinS]

This is part of the incredible story.
The vaccine worked extraordinarily well. AIDS... no vaccine. And look how we had all these unvaccinated fools keeping the damn thing going. Fuel. It was super stupid.

Misinformation. Vaxxed were getting it and spreading it.

[pgardn]

Misinformation. Vaxxed were getting it and spreading it.

Bullshit.

The worst cases were nonvaxers going to the hospital AFTER the vaccine was finished and in use (and going in with full blown symptoms)
Thats when we still had difficulty treating them in hospitals. Vaccinated people had much milder symptoms; they symptoms were on the whole not requiring intensive treatment.

You are absolutely wrong.
Basically what you are saying is the vaccine did not do anything to help in the US.
that’s pure and simple bullshit.

[pgardn]

Either Trumptards are pathological liars or they don’t understand the types of symptoms the vaccines aided in preventing.
Or both…. Probably both.

[Blake]

Misinformation. Vaxxed were getting it and spreading it.

Disingenuous Darrin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bullshit.

The worst cases were nonvaxers going to the hospital AFTER the vaccine was finished and in use (and going in with full blown symptoms)
Thats when we still had difficulty treating them in hospitals. Vaccinated people had much milder symptoms; they symptoms were on the whole not requiring intensive treatment.

You are absolutely wrong.
Basically what you are saying is the vaccine did not do anything to help in the US.
that’s pure and simple bullshit.

He's taking the fact that retrovirus vaccines are not 100% effective and grandstanding on it. He really is not that stupid. He just likes to shill.

[Adam Lambert]

He really is not that stupid.

Agree to disagree.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agree to disagree.

:lol fair enough. I'm just trying to aim high with him.

[ElNono]

Sure but the probability is only part of the risk calculation. It was an absolute death sentence up until the aforementioned date. I'll take long COVID and a daily regimen of methotrexate over 1990 AIDS.

I guess my point is what am I supposed to take from this? They have created an entire industry around the disease and given the nature of vaccines it is incredibly profitable. R&D will continue because of that regardless of political will. I wear a mask around at risk groups.

I think there are several points to take from this, good and bad. The good is how science has truly advanced to this stage to the point of having a full DNA sequence of this thing within a few months after it appeared, which paved the way for having an eventual effective vaccine in record time.

The bad was certainly the initial response, and especially the pollicization of it, which costs numerous lives. To this day we have a small amount of dumb, gullible people still arguing about vaccines, despite their overwhelmingly proven record.

You would think we would learn lessons about those bad things, but I'm a bit cynical on that end.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think there are several points to take from this, good and bad. The good is how science has truly advanced to this stage to the point of having a full DNA sequence of this thing within a few months after it appeared, which paved the way for having an eventual effective vaccine in record time.

The bad was certainly the initial response, and especially the pollicization of it, which costs numerous lives. To this day we have a small amount of dumb, gullible people still arguing about vaccines, despite their overwhelmingly proven record.

You would think we would learn lessons about those bad things, but I'm a bit cynical on that end.

Biden will surely discuss Trump's shitty response in the campaign. Hopefully something comes of it. Most of the space is still combatting the science.

[ElNono]

Biden will surely discuss Trump's shitty response in the campaign. Hopefully something comes of it. Most of the space is still combatting the science.

We're still slowly recovering from idiocy, tbh... see:

How Covid made it nearly impossible to pass new vaccine rules
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/04/how-covid-made-it-nearly-impossible-to-pass-new-vaccine-rules-00100073

[RandomGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx2PWjgXoAEPaxr?format=png&name=900x900

If you can look at this chart of life expectancy falling on every continent on Earth and still convince yourself covid was overblown, that's your brain on coping mechanism mode--Nate Bear

[SnakeBoy]

1663008058803380226

[InRareForm]

West Nile :

https://www.science.org/content/article/west-nile-virus-may-be-deadlier-thought

[Donald Sterling.]

Checking in 3+ years after the start of the plandemic. Still unvaxxed.

Vaxxcucks :lol

[Winehole23]

Subsequent gastrointestinal problems are correlated with COVID infection

1640396739596238853

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1667715385964089346

First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill

After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.

More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.

Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.

Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.

As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.

When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the identities of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”

“Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”

Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.

Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”

Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.

Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.

A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.

https://public.substack.com/p/first-people-sickened-by-covid-19

[pgardn]

Yeah, yeah.

Its a good pinprick by the Chinese to keep playing with us and not let us check out the labs.
They are loving this. We need to get real info.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1667715385964089346

First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill

After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.

More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.

Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.

Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.

As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.

When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the identities of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”

“Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”

Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.

Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”

Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.

Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.

A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.

https://public.substack.com/p/first-people-sickened-by-covid-19

Why would US government sauces have to be anonymous when it comes to Chinese doctors?

What do they know about the aliens?

[Ef-man]

Why would US government sauces have to be anonymous when it comes to Chinese doctors?

What do they know about the aliens?

They were told, so that should be good enough.

First hand knowledge is for losers.

[ElNono]

Why would US government sauces have to be anonymous when it comes to Chinese doctors?

What do they know about the aliens?

The report from declassified DNI info the administration approved is due on Sunday. Kinda weird to come up in front with this. Wonder why somebody is trying to get ahead of that story, or trying to set a narrative regardless of what the report might say.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1667715385964089346

First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

The three scientists were engaged in “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses when they fell ill

After years of official pronouncements to the contrary, significant new evidence has emerged that strengthens the case that the SARS-CoV-2 virus accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).

According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.

More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.

Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.

Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.

As such, not only do we know there were WIV scientists who had developed COVID-19-like illnesses in November 2019, but also that they were working with the closest relatives of SARS-CoV-2, and inserting gain-of-function features unique to it.

When a source was asked how certain they were that these were the identities of the three WIV scientists who developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19 in the fall of 2019, we were told, “100%”

“Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”

Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.

Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”

Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

Public and Racket are the first publications to reveal the names of the three sick WIV workers and place them directly in the lab that collected and experimented with SARS-like viruses poised for human emergence.

Next week, the Directorate of National Intelligence is expected to release previously classified material, which may include the names of the three WIV scientists who were the likely among the first to be sickened by SARS-CoV-2.

A bill signed by President Biden earlier this year specifically called for the release of the names and roles of the sick researchers at the WIV, their symptoms and date of symptom onset, and whether these researchers had been involved with or exposed to coronavirus research.

https://public.substack.com/p/first-people-sickened-by-covid-19

https://twitter.com/alisonannyoung/status/1671159239509942274

https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1671186119499685890

Documents Link Potential Covid Patient Zero to U.S.-Funded Research in Wuhan

New reporting, attributed to U.S. government sources, identified a coronavirus researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology who fell ill in November 2019.

https://theintercept.com/2023/06/17/covid-origin-wuhan-patient-zero/

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1671163717910949891

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1671165326703357957

:lol racoon dog truthers

[Ef-man]

Nothing of substance, just your typical qtsa bunch of "if's, "plausible," "possibles," and conspiracies. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

I was hoping their names would be something like Sum Ting Wong, Ho Lee Fuk

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1671163717910949891

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1671165326703357957

:lol racoon dog truthers

Probably intelligent life from a different solar system let the virus loose... With never before seen biomolecules. We have no evidence but lets just say it because it was tweeted.

[Ef-man]

Probably intelligent life from a different solar system let the virus loose... With never before seen biomolecules. We have no evidence but lets just say it because it was tweeted.

Every Q knows that unprotected sex between Bigfoot, JFK, Elvis, and the space aliens, at the Chinese bio labs setup by Hugo Chavez in Germany, was the cause of covid-19.

Deep state covering up the truth!

[TSA]

Nothing of substance, just your typical qtsa bunch of "if's, "plausible," "possibles," and conspiracies. :lol

Can you link me to your full of substance well sourced fact checked supported racoon dog article you were pushing months ago :lmao

[Ef-man]

Can you link me to your full of substance well sourced fact checked supported racoon dog article you were pushing months ago :lmao

You are just upset that no one believes all your conspiracies involving space alien whistleblowers who eat children at pizza parlors with George Soros! :lmao :lmao :lmao

[TSA]

You are just upset that no one believes all your conspiracies involving space alien whistleblowers who eat children at pizza parlors with George Soros! :lmao :lmao :lmao

We are in the coronavirus thread your attempts at deflecting are pitiful and apparent to everyone.

Are you too embarrassed to link your racoon dog study now? You were propping up and pushing that here for weeks.

Are you upset no one believes your conspiracy involving racoon dogs?

[Blake]

Lol TSA going with "my conspiracy is better than your conspiracy"

[Ef-man]

We are in the coronavirus thread your attempts at deflecting are pitiful and apparent to everyone.

Are you too embarrassed to link your racoon dog study now? You were propping up and pushing that here for weeks.

Are you upset no one believes your conspiracy involving racoon dogs?

No one takes you seriously qtsa, no one.

You have become tholdren with the moon landings were fake conspiracy. :lmao

[TSA]

No one takes you seriously qtsa, no one.

You have become tholdren with the moon landings were fake conspiracy. :lmao

We are in the coronavirus thread your attempts at deflecting are pitiful and apparent to everyone.

Are you too embarrassed to link your racoon dog study now? You were propping up and pushing that here for weeks.

Are you upset no one believes your conspiracy involving racoon dogs?

[Ef-man]

We are in the coronavirus thread your attempts at deflecting are pitiful and apparent to everyone.

Are you too embarrassed to link your racoon dog study now? You were propping up and pushing that here for weeks.

Are you upset no one believes your conspiracy involving racoon dogs?

No one takes you seriously qtsa, no one.

All you are missing are the tholdren "bwajajajajaj" in your posts.

Time for you to go back to S. Korea. :tu

[TSA]

No one takes you seriously qtsa, no one.

All you are missing are the tholdren "bwajajajajaj" in your posts.

Time for you to go back to S. Korea. :tu

Why don't you want to talk about your racoon dog study in the coronavirus thread?

[Ef-man]

Why don't you want to talk about your racoon dog study in the coronavirus thread?

Why do you have so many conspiracies and never provided proof you were in Korea (long standing question)?

[TSA]

Why do you have so many conspiracies and never provided proof you were in Korea (long standing question)?

Dodge and deflect. That's all you have left when I press you. Pathetic :lol

[Ef-man]

Dodge and deflect. That's all you have left when I press you. Pathetic :lol

Lying about hiding/Korea, believing every conspiracy under the sun, self-validation victory claims, making fool of yourself and wondering why no one takes you seriously.

Sure sign you have mental issues. :tu

[TSA]

Lying about hiding/Korea, believing every conspiracy under the sun, self-validation victory claims, making fool of yourself and wondering why no one takes you seriously.

Sure sign you have mental issues. :tu

Dodge and deflect.

Sure sign you're an embarrassed pussy. :tu

[Ef-man]

Dodge and deflect.

Sure sign you're an embarrassed pussy. :tu

Says the guy who believes a whistleblower, with no first hand knowledge, claiming US has alien crafts. :lmao :lmao :lmao

Welcome to the crazy conspiracy rodeo, please come again!

[TSA]

Says the guy who believes a whistleblower, with no first hand knowledge, claiming US has alien crafts. :lmao :lmao :lmao

Welcome to the crazy conspiracy rodeo, please come again!

More deflection...you just can't help yourself. You keep proving what a pussy you are.

Let's see if you can answer simple questions without dodging or deflecting. I don't believe a pussy like yourself can do it but am willing to be proven wrong.

What made you believe in the racoon dog started covid conspiracy?

Who had first hand knowledge racoon dog's started covid?

Why are you afraid to discuss it anymore?

[Ef-man]

More deflection...you just can't help yourself. You keep proving what a pussy you are.

Let's see if you can answer simple questions without dodging or deflecting. I don't believe a pussy like yourself can do it but am willing to be proven wrong.

What made you believe in the racoon dog started covid conspiracy?

Who had first hand knowledge racoon dog's started covid?

Why are you afraid to discuss it anymore?

Welcome to the crazy conspiracy rodeo, please come again!

[DarrinS]

If you don't believe lab leak at this point, you're retarded. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

If you don't believe lab leak at this point, you're retarded. :lol

If it's true -- what does that change, Darrin?

[Blake]

If you don't believe lab leak at this point, you're retarded. :lol

Says this dude in 2021:


Mild summer

Carry on

[Ef-man]

If you don't believe lab leak at this point, you're retarded. :lol

Even qtsa backtracked on saying lab leak conspiracy was proven! :lol


I’ve never once claimed the lab leak theory has been proven.

[DarrinS]

If it's true -- what does that change, Darrin?

Perhaps an international moratorium or ban on this kind of research? Or, maybe not do it in a substandard lab within a city bigger than NYC?

[pgardn]

Scientists were NOT the only ones who fell ill during the out break in China dumbshits.
The disease was already rampant in China which is WHY THEY were investigating the virus.
And the first cases were CLEARLY UNREPORTED as one would expect. The first few people who get a disease are usually not zeroed in on AS IT IS NOT a problem yet.
And we have nothing except what people in China are saying and NOT SAYING because we have not got any sort of good info from them as whole. There have been lab leaks before that caused people to get very ill and die THAT DID NOT become a pandemic.

We are going to have to wait. The red team can go ahead and blame China to various degrees from actually inventing the virus for the purpose of causing an outbrreak to not cooperating with the investigation (clearly the later the most obvious). Meanwhile China will sit on their hands and let us undergo all our conspiracy bunk that works so well on the buffoons who crave this shit. Our government needs to eventually release everything they have and they will and it wont lead to any more clear answers before WE get to get the real people who understand this stuff in on it from the Chinese labs and more than what people SAY. These people would be Evolutionary biologists who work with molecular evolution who have already traced a number of viral outbreaks back to an animal origin and even the timing of the occurrence as given by the DNA or RNA changes among other factors. This can be proven in a number of ways the first of which must be molecular.

People have no problem with paternity issues being solved with molecules to start with. But damn not this stuff. (And yes it is more difficult and takes time) Especially when the origin will not cooperate.

[pgardn]

Perhaps an international moratorium or ban on this kind of research? Or, maybe not do it in a substandard lab within a city bigger than NYC?

There are already bans and protocol and much genetic research. So far CHINA has put some of the harshest punishment on their own scientists. The scientific community agrees largely on what should and should not be done. The specifics will be ironed out. But not with the kind of moon bat shit that has been put out for the last 8 years from the red team. People who repeatedly embrace lies are not helpful, they are retarded as you said. Your reputation enters the room before you do when you constantly lie.

[DarrinS]

There are already bans and protocol and much genetic research. So far CHINA has put some of the harshest punishment on their own scientists. The scientific community agrees largely on what should and should not be done. The specifics will be ironed out. But not with the kind of moon bat shit that has been put out for the last 8 years from the red team. People who repeatedly embrace lies are not helpful, they are retarded as you said. Your reputation enters the room before you do when you constantly lie.

Not moon bat shit. You aren't helping.

[pgardn]

Not moon bat shit. You aren't helping.

In the last 8 years did you hear about Q anon stuff concerning Hillary Clinton et al and children?

And I know my previous post will not help you at all because your mind is already made up.
You did not even understand why Covid was a problem, you said masks did nothing to help... you keep playing you.

[Blake]

Perhaps an international moratorium or ban on this kind of research? Or, maybe not do it in a substandard lab within a city bigger than NYC?

You need to make up your mind whether Covid is dangerous or not

[pgardn]

If it turns out a particular virus in China that was first produced in a bio lab was the virus that led to the worldwide pandemic this will be the FIRST time ever and we will have to know exactly what they did to produce such an incredibly easy to spread nasty virus.

[DarrinS]

In the last 8 years did you hear about Q anon stuff concerning Hillary Clinton et al and children?

And I know my previous post will not help you at all because your mind is already made up.
You did not even understand why Covid was a problem, you said masks did nothing to help... you keep playing you.

I have never EVER promoted Q anon.

And lab leak has nothing to do with Q anon.

Nice try.

[DarrinS]

If it turns out a particular virus in China that was first produced in a bio lab was the virus that led to the worldwide pandemic this will be the FIRST time ever and we will have to know exactly what they did to produce such an incredibly easy to spread nasty virus.

Not at all. Its happened before.

[pgardn]

Not at all. Its happened before.

What virus produced in a lab by humans led to a worldwide pandemic?

[pgardn]

I have never EVER promoted Q anon.

And lab leak has nothing to do with Q anon.

Nice try.

Nice try. You need to read my post again.

But not with the kind of moon bat shit that has been put out for the last 8 years from the red team

[DarrinS]

What virus produced in a lab by humans led to a worldwide pandemic?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents

[DarrinS]

Nice try. You need to read my post again.

But not with the kind of moon bat shit that has been put out for the last 8 years from the red team


What moon bat shit? Be specific.

[pgardn]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents

There have been lab leaks before that caused people to get very ill and die THAT DID NOT become a pandemic

The above From MY POST.

I will ask again. What lab leaks caused a world wide pandemic?

[pgardn]

What moon bat shit? Be specific.

Jesus fnnn Christ I already did.
Hillary Clinton et al. and all kinds of dalliance's with children.
You think Q was spread by the blue team?

[Ef-man]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents

And not one was a pandemic.

Proved pgardn's point. :tu

[Blake]

The only time I got sick was from PfizerCarditis. :lol

:lol

[DarrinS]

Jesus fnnn Christ I already did.
Hillary Clinton et al. and all kinds of dalliance's with children.
You think Q was spread by the blue team?


And not one was a pandemic.

Proved pgardn's point. :tu


:lol


retarded

[pgardn]

retarded

No sir.

You are just flat out stupid.
It’s very difficult to explain anything to you.
Because… apparently you just can’t, or refuse to, try to understand what is posted.

[Blake]

retarded

mUh ziP cOde!

[ChumpDumper]

Perhaps an international moratorium or ban on this kind of research? Or, maybe not do it in a substandard lab within a city bigger than NYC?
You think China would admit to any of this in the first place were it true?

:lol you really are drunk all the time.

[TSA]

If it turns out a particular virus in China that was first produced in a bio lab was the virus that led to the worldwide pandemic this will be the FIRST time ever and we will have to know exactly what they did to produce such an incredibly easy to spread nasty virus.

The plans to produce such an incredibly easy to spread nasty virus were laid out a few years prior to the outbreak.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1671556434881024005

Your refusal of anything related to a lab leak origin is extremely odd.

[pgardn]

The plans to produce such an incredibly easy to spread nasty virus were laid out a few years prior to the outbreak.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal

https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1671556434881024005

Your refusal of anything related to a lab leak origin is extremely odd.

Lab leak is not odd. It has happened before.
Lab leak leading to a world wide pandemic... NEVER happened

What you dont get is nature performs these experiments with viruses every second of every day.
And nature comes up with fantastic spreading machines such as the common cold viruses.
We still cant come up with better spreaders than evolution. Its odd that you cant understand this.

You really dont understand how powerful evolution and natural selection are in the natural world.
Inventions we would never even dream of on the molecular level. Once we see how they actually work.
And how we would have never predicted such unique molecular fits. these never even occurred to us.

[TSA]

Lab leak is not odd. It has happened before.
Lab leak leading to a world wide pandemic... NEVER happened

What you dont get is nature performs these experiments with viruses every second of every day.
And nature comes up with fantastic spreading machines such as the common cold viruses.
We still cant come up with better spreaders than evolution. Its odd that you cant understand this.

You really dont understand how powerful evolution and natural selection are in the natural world.
Inventions we would never even dream of on the molecular level. Once we see how they actually work.
And how we would have never predicted such unique molecular fits. these never even occurred to us.

If the DEFUSE proposal was carried out and their work leaked from a lab would that have the potential to lead to a worldwide pandemic? yes or no.

[pgardn]

If the DEFUSE proposal was carried out and their work leaked from a lab would that have the potential to lead to a worldwide pandemic? yes or no.

Potential yes.
Probability NO.

Look at the list of some really nasty buggers that were housed in labs that had the potential to create a pandemic put up by Darrin.
How many of them caused a pandemic?

You still dont get how so many more experiments are run by nature and totally discount the obvious such as the cold viruses. There are many things that have to go correctly to become a pandemic. Thats a perspective many evolutionary biologists take but they also say they wonder why they dont see more because they understand the creative power of evolution by natural selection. The power comes through a whole bunch of "trials and experiments" naturally. You just cant fathom this for some reason.

[DarrinS]

Maybe the patient zeros who worked at wuhan lab all went and got a pangolin burger at the wet market. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe they weren't patient zeros.

[pgardn]

Maybe the patient zeros who worked at wuhan lab all went and got a pangolin burger at the wet market. :lol

Yeah.
Maybe so....

That would certainly be more likely and oh so funny.

[pgardn]

Maybe they weren't patient zeros.

but... but... patient zero sounds so damn scary.
Dont do this to Darrin.

[pgardn]

The disease was out and about BEFORE anyone cultured it a lab.
wft... we are going over all this again? The disease was out and about before anyone knew it was a virus causing the set of symptoms we now call Covid... Jeez....

[ElNono]

Related:

Biden missed deadline for declassifying intelligence on Wuhan lab and origins of COVID-19

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-missed-deadline-declassifying-intel-origins-covid-19

[pgardn]

Related:

Biden missed deadline for declassifying intelligence on Wuhan lab and origins of COVID-19

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-missed-deadline-declassifying-intel-origins-covid-19

Based on the way posters understand this whole affair it’s likely to be mangled into so many different stories.
That said let the mistakes begin. Release the US funding. It’s not like the US does not help fund research in labs around the world. I think this is possibly what they are worried about.

[pgardn]

The disease was out and about BEFORE anyone cultured it in a lab.
wft... we are going over all this again? The disease was out and about before anyone knew it was a virus causing the set of symptoms we now call Covid... Jeez....

[pgardn]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/


This was before China shut us out.

[TSA]

Potential yes.
Probability NO.

Look at the list of some really nasty buggers that were housed in labs that had the potential to create a pandemic put up by Darrin.
How many of them caused a pandemic?

You still dont get how so many more experiments are run by nature and totally discount the obvious such as the cold viruses. There are many things that have to go correctly to become a pandemic. Thats a perspective many evolutionary biologists take but they also say they wonder why they dont see more because they understand the creative power of evolution by natural selection. The power comes through a whole bunch of "trials and experiments" naturally. You just cant fathom this for some reason.

Why would you say there is no probability that it happened? Lab leaks have happened before you admit that yourself.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/24/infections-caught-in-laboratories-are-surprisingly-common

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/06/02/lab-leak-investigate-risky-research/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents