Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[SpursforSix]

So what would you do?

I'd probably say, "meh" as well.

[DMC]

calm down bro, the situation isn't that dire. i didn say CC fired his butler. i said CC's butler had to fire HIS butler

:lol

And that guy happens to be our boss so we're really fucked.

[SpursforSix]

Either way you are going to have to pay the rent/mortgage or get kicked out. Obviously if you are choosing between rent and food then choose food, but IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT it's stupid not to pay the rent/mortgage.

You can't put that blanket statement on everyone. If you think things might get worse for you, it's smarter to keep the money knowing that you might need to find a cheaper living arrangement. And have a bigger % saved for food or other necessities.

[SnakeBoy]

not surprising

1247889900180926467

Says a lot about america. This is the perfect example of poverty and classism/racism. All the resources and aid is going to the treatment and prevention of the virus affecting white people.

Do you think culture has anything to do with higher mortality?

[SpursforSix]

:lol

And that guy happens to be our boss so we're really fucked.

It's a twisted version of Gary Cole from Office Space.
So...yeah...I'm going to need you to come in on the weekend while I poop on you while you lick my old balls.

[diego]

People that are unaffected absolutely should pay.

The problem is that many people are affected particularly people who rent cheap properties. Assuming the entire market adjusts downwards- are there even cheaper homes for those affected people at the bottom to move into? The only way the market can adjust is for rents to lower across the board because a large part of the market has seen their income substantially affected (I consider anything over 15% substantial, at least here in Chile the average is about 40% across the board)

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think culture has anything to do with higher mortality?Tell us all about minority culture. This should be great.

[daslicer]

Any of you conspiracy nutcases explain to me the 5G conspiracy theory. I'm too lazy to look it up right now.

[Nathan89]

not surprising

1247889900180926467

Says a lot about america. This is the perfect example of poverty and classism/racism. All the resources and aid is going to the treatment and prevention of the virus affecting white people.

Apparently it's going to the Asians more than the white people.

[SnakeBoy]

Tell us all about minority culture. This should be great.

I don't know much but I've heard diet is part of it.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know muchNo shit.

[Reck]

I don't know much but I've heard diet is part of it.

Lol ranch dressing talking about diets over here.

[Nathan89]

I don't know much but I've heard diet is part of it.

It's just unfortunate that you including a disclaimer to not overstate anything allows people to ignore the second part of your statement. A very clear and valid point easily discarded.

[Chris]

Apparently it's going to the Asians more than the white people.

I know an Asian doctor with boots on the ground in NY who can confirm this. White people....amirite?

[Blake]

I know an Asian doctor with boots on the ground in NY who can confirm this. White people....amirite?

Lol anecdotes

What exactly is the conspiracy here? Why are Asians getting more?

[SnakeBoy]

It's just unfortunate that you including a disclaimer to not overstate anything allows people to ignore the second part of your statement. A very clear and valid point easily discarded.

Some of the liberals were downright giddy at the thought that them Trumpster rednecks would die at a higher rate because of their culture (diet), it's an invalid point to them now though.

[CosmicCowboy]

pffft.

No secret here

It's White Privilege again with Covid19. Even viruses are racist.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1247979820144889857

[Mark Celibate]

That just tells me how lost and how much of a sheep everyone on this forum is. Blindly trusting and believing whatever government-controlled media says. Whatever is coming is well deserved. My words will be prophetic when shit hits the fan.

spamming sh!tty YouTube videos =! your own words

I'd be willing to listen to you if you actually provided your own opinion from time to time, but you're basically the boutons of conspiracy theorists.

TheGreatBot, imo

[ChumpDumper]

Some of the liberals were downright giddy at the thought that them Trumpster rednecks would die at a higher rate because of their culture (diet), it's an invalid point to them now though.:lol you can't even bring yourself to say what mistakes Trump has made regarding this crisis . It's an invalid point to you forever.

But minority cultures you don't know much about-- that's the real problem!

[RandomGuy]

pffft.

No secret here

It's White Privilege again with Covid19. Even viruses are racist.

No. But the way health care resources are allocated in this country... is.

[Mark Celibate]

No. But the way health care resources are allocated in this country... is.

explain plz

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1247979820144889857

It would seem that we have flattened the curve in a lot of places. Thankfully.

How long can we keep up hunkering down?

Evidence available says: Letting up too soon will be like not doing it at all in the first place, and will make the problem explode.

What policy will Trump push for? Let up, or stay hunkered down for a while longer?

[RandomGuy]

explain plz

It goes to the way we ration health care.

[Mark Celibate]

It goes to the way we ration health care.

How is that? I'm just curious. Are you trying to say we intentionally allocate health care to certain demographics over others? asking for a friend. thx

[RandomGuy]

Some of the liberals were downright giddy at the thought that them Trumpster rednecks would die at a higher rate because of their culture (diet), it's an invalid point to them now though.

That doesn't seem to be an attempt to identify weak areas of the federal response to the ongoing pandemic. Why is that not of interest to you?

[boutons_deux]

‘Sociopath’ Trump gets pounded for demanding the COVID-19 pandemic be ‘quickly forgotten’ after it ends

“Once we OPEN UP OUR GREAT COUNTRY, and

it will be sooner rather than later,

the horror of the Invisible Enemy,

except for those that sadly lost a family member or friend,

must be quickly forgotten,”

the president wrote on Twitter.

“Our Economy will BOOM, perhaps like never before!!!”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/sociopath-trump-gets-pounded-for-demanding-the-covid-19-pandemic-be-quickly-forgotten-after-it-ends/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4239

[TSA]

It would seem that we have flattened the curve in a lot of places. Thankfully.

How long can we keep up hunkering down?

Evidence available says: Letting up too soon will be like not doing it at all in the first place, and will make the problem explode.

What policy will Trump push for? Let up, or stay hunkered down for a while longer?

Sounds like it will be a mixed approach of relaxed distancing in green zones and strict shelter in place in red zones.

[Mark Celibate]

Sounds like it will be a mixed approach of relaxed distancing in green zones and strict shelter in place in red zones.

Makes the most sense. I've heard a combination of allowing certain businesses that are somewhat essential to slowly open back up along with those who are under 40 to return to the workforce. Also taking into account the hotspot areas vs areas that have not been hit as hard.

[TSA]

Makes the most sense. I've heard a combination of allowing certain businesses that are somewhat essential to slowly open back up along with those who are under 40 to return to the workforce. Also taking into account the hotspot areas vs areas that have not been hit as hard.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/trump-health-team-crafts-plan-to-open-economy-if-virus-crests?sref=yYYRek8e

[TSA]

Israeli COVID-19 treatment shows 100% survival rate - preliminary data

Six critically ill coronavirus patients in Israel who are considered high-risk for mortality have been treated with Pluristem’s placenta-based cell-therapy product and survived, according to preliminary data provided by the Haifa-based company.
The patients were treated at three different Israeli medical centers for one week under the country’s compassionate use program and were suffering from acute respiratory failure and inflammatory complications associated with COVID-19. Four of the patients also demonstrated failure of other organ systems, including cardiovascular and kidney failure.

Not only have all the patients survived, according to Pluristem, but four of them showed improvement in respiratory parameters and three of them are in the advanced stages of weaning from ventilators. Moreover, two of the patients with preexisting medical conditions are showing clinical recovery in addition to the respiratory improvement.

“We are pleased with this initial outcome of the compassionate use program and committed to harnessing PLX cells for the benefit of patients and healthcare systems,” said Pluristem CEO and president Yaky Yanay. “Pluristem is dedicated to using its competitive advantages in large-scale manufacturing to potentially deliver PLX cells to a large number of patients in significant need.”

Pluristem’s PLX cells are “allogeneic mesenchymal-like cells that have immunomodulatory properties,” meaning they induce the immune system’s natural regulatory T cells and M2 macrophages, the company explained in a previous release. The result could be the reversal of dangerous overactivation of the immune system. This would likely reduce the fatal symptoms of pneumonia and pneumonitis (general inflammation of lung tissue).

Previous preclinical findings regarding PLX cells revealed significant therapeutic effects in animal studies of pulmonary hypertension, lung fibrosis, acute kidney injury and gastrointestinal injury.

Pluristem plans to apply for initiation of a multinational clinical trial for the treatment of complications associated with coronavirus, the release said, noting that it will no longer report on its compassionate use trials but rather on the status and progress of its contemplated clinical trial. The company is already in discussions with regulators in the United States and Europe to “define our clinical strategy for COVID-19,” Yanay added.

https://m.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-COVID-19-treatment-shows-100-percent-survival-rate-preliminary-data-624058/amp?__twitter_impression=true

[MannyIsGod]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1247872193767395330

And this model has been moving projections down every few days. Let's hope that trend continues.

That model is just for an initial wave. You should read the FAQ they have published. In other words, the moment we relax social distancing (they assume we keep it through August) that model is no longer a valid scenario.

We are going to have a 2nd wave. And then probably more after that.

[RandomGuy]

How is that? I'm just curious. Are you trying to say we intentionally allocate health care to certain demographics over others? asking for a friend. thx

We ration health care by ability to pay, and through employment.

For non-whites, the ability to pay and employment tend to skew negative. Even within similar health groups, african americans are treated differently, which is why they experience worse outcomes for the same conditions.

[boutons_deux]

the virus won't crest everywhere at the same time

Trash and his mafiya plan to put people back to work at those peoples' risk, about which Trash gives not the tiniest fuck.

As severely mentally, intellectually, emotionally ill sociopath, he'll accept 10Ks gratuitously sick and dead to get reelected.

[MannyIsGod]

It would seem that we have flattened the curve in a lot of places. Thankfully.

How long can we keep up hunkering down?

Evidence available says: Letting up too soon will be like not doing it at all in the first place, and will make the problem explode.

What policy will Trump push for? Let up, or stay hunkered down for a while longer?

I'm not so afraid of us relaxing the measures because we have to eventually. What I am afraid of is relaxing them with little to no tracking in place and still with a testing shortfall. There doesn't seem to be any move towards the appropriate framework at the federal level and states can't handle the level of tracking and testing that is needed.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2015/03/05/healthcare-black-latino-poor/#1e5668b47869

and go to here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/25/upshot/doctors-and-racial-bias-still-a-long-way-to-go.html


A systematic review published in Academic Emergency Medicine gathered all the research on physicians that measured implicit bias with the Implicit Association Test and included some assessment of clinical decision making. Most of the nine studies used vignettes to test what physicians would do in certain situations.

The majority of studies found an implicit preference for white patients, especially among white physicians. Two found a relationship between this bias and clinical decision making. One found that this bias was associated with a greater chance that whites would be treated for myocardial infarction than African-Americans.

This study was published in 2017.

The Implicit Association Test has its flaws. Although its authors maintain that it measures external influences, it’s not clear how well it predicts individual behavior. Another, bigger systematic review of implicit bias in health care professionals was published in BMC Ethics, also in 2017. The researchers gathered 42 studies, only 15 of which used the Implicit Association Test, and concluded that physicians are just like everyone else. Their biases are consistent with those of the general population.

The researchers also cautioned that these biases are likely to affect diagnosis and care.

A study published three years earlier in the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine surveyed 543 internal medicine and family physicians who had been presented with vignettes of patients with severe osteoarthritis. The survey asked the doctors about the medical cooperativeness of the patients, and whether they would recommend a total knee replacement.

[MannyIsGod]

The curve overall is indeed flattening and that is great news. It comes with caveats, however:

-We're still not prepared for a 2nd wave. We need to be fixing that before we relax these measures.

-We're still not certain that there is a decline after this initial flattening. A flat curve is not that great if it doesn't decline afterwards.

We have seen decline in places like Wuhan after the measures were put into place. We're seeing that here. But the level of isolation in both places has been different. It is entirely possible that we've flattened the curve to stop a doubling time of under a week but its also possible that our level of social distancing is only enough to flatten and not reduce the long term threat. In other words, if we keep adding 30k cases a day with no reduction, then you're still looking at a healthcare system collapse. It will just take longer to get there. We need a DECLINE. First you gotta crawl before you walk, so this is good, but people really need to recognize where we are and not get overzealous.

[boutons_deux]

For non-whites,

.. blacks are being killed by covid at much higher rate than whites, they don't know why

and 1000s of people under 40 people are also being killed

[Mark Celibate]

We ration health care by ability to pay, and through employment.

For non-whites, the ability to pay and employment tend to skew negative. Even within similar health groups, african americans are treated differently, which is why they experience worse outcomes for the same conditions.

What do you think the reason for that is tho? I don't disagree that employment and income skew negative for non-whites. Do you think there's a racial discriminatory reason for that?

[ducks]

CDC considers relaxing coronavirus guidelines, letting some Americans return to work

[DarrinS]

We can squash the curve completely, if we find effective therapeutics.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not so afraid of us relaxing the measures because we have to eventually. What I am afraid of is relaxing them with little to no tracking in place and still with a testing shortfall. There doesn't seem to be any move towards the appropriate framework at the federal level and states can't handle the level of tracking and testing that is needed.

Agreed. 100% We will have to relax eventually, and need a ready framework to track and test.

The problem is the Bugfuck Brigade in the right-wing media, the people with the least grasp on reality, are the ones that Dear Leader is watching instead of working.

My fear:

His ego will push him to claim victory early, do a victory lap, get the photo-op in front of the "mission accomplished" banner, and then we will be in a world of hurt.

By the end of the month Captain Bonespurs Mcsundown will have grown bored and overconfident after listening to experts for almost two whole months. He will relent a bit, and the Republican governors will all declare their states to be honkey dorey for fear of contradicting him.

I am not so worried about mid-April as mid-June.

[RandomGuy]

What do you think the reason for that is tho? I don't disagree that employment and income skew negative for non-whites. Do you think there's a racial discriminatory reason for that?

Send identical resumes to any set of employers.

Give one the name "Jaquan"
and the other the name "Jordon" or "John".

See which one gets the call back for an interview.



Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews
https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews

yeah, that's racist.

Doctors don't listen as closely to black patients, employers don't call them back for interviews, they don't get loans at the same rate, it goes on and on.

[RandomGuy]

.. blacks are being killed by covid at much higher rate than whites, they don't know why

and 1000s of people under 40 people are also being killed

Higher poverty explains that fairly squarely.

Higher poverty= less able to work from home = worse health in general = more likely to live in multi-family dwellings that provide more spread of respiratory illness.

Not overly surprising. Expected, and yet another failure of the american system.

[dude21]

We can squash the curve completely, if we find effective therapeutics.

Therapeutics is after we get infected but yes, we would have less deaths. How invasive/expensive the procedures are is the real sum game.

[CosmicCowboy]

We ration health care by ability to pay, and through employment.

For non-whites, the ability to pay and employment tend to skew negative. Even within similar health groups, african americans are treated differently, which is why they experience worse outcomes for the same conditions.

Covid19 treatment is free.

[hater]

CDC considers relaxing coronavirus guidelines, letting some Americans return to work

yeah sure :lmao

Im not going back to work unless I can buy sanitizer, alcohol, and facial masks at my neighborhood store :lmao

fuck Orangegutan and his Big Opening. he can stick it up his big orange culo

[baseline bum]

Covid19 treatment is free.

Nah man, it's only testing.

[boutons_deux]

like 15, then zero, in warmer April in will disappear, magic!

Coronavirus unlikely to significantly diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds

These findings are in line with previous studies offering

hypotheses regarding how the virus may behave in warmer and more humid conditions and

is an attempt to help distill the evidence for and against reduced virus transmissibility during warm weather.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/04/08/coronavirus-unlikely-diminish-with-warm-weather-national-academies-sciences-panel-finds/?itid=hp_hp-banner-main_virusweather-1215p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1

[hater]

Covid19 treatment is free.

link or bullshit

[Thread]

Nah man, it's only testing.

I think you're wrong there, bum. All co-pays have been waived by insurance companies & there is no charge thru Medicaid, that's how Splits got his paid for.

[baseline bum]

I think you're wrong there, bum. All co-pays have been waived by insurance companies & there is no charge thru Medicaid, that's how Splits got his paid for.

By like two insurance companies though, right? That's all I remember hearing.

[hater]

:lmao fucking toothless brits

1,000 of their citizens died just today. Sky news opens their primetime show with smiling faces saying “good news, Boris Johnson is sitying up in bed”

:lmao

despicable Brits

[Thread]

By like two insurance companies though, right? That's all I remember hearing.

You are the most, after Splits, anal poster on this Board.

Damn ya!!!

[Thread]

:lmao fucking toothless brits

1,000 of their citizens died just today. Sky news opens their primetime show with smiling faces saying “good news, Boris Johnson is sitying up in bed”

:lmao

despicable Brits

We'd do the same damn thing if Hillary had beat the old man & ended up ass over teacup with Corona.

[baseline bum]

You are the most, after Splits, anal poster on this Board.

Damn ya!!!

Bend over, I'll give you anal splits.

[Thread]

:lmao fucking toothless brits

1,000 of their citizens died just today. Sky news opens their primetime show with smiling faces saying “good news, Boris Johnson is sitying up in bed”

:lmao

despicable Brits

I couldn't be happier. He's a stout fellow.

& you can deny it till the cows come home, hater, but, you're pulling for his demise.

You sick thing, you.

[boutons_deux]

link or bullshit

one lady w/o insurance got home from covid stay in hospital: $34K

[MannyIsGod]

Covid19 treatment is free.

Uh, since when?

[hater]

I couldn't be happier. He's a stout fellow.

& you can deny it till the cows come home, hater, but, you're pulling for his demise.

You sick thing, you.

nope

Porton is comedic gold

hes a perfect PM for such a declining has been empire. hes Benny Hill reincarnated

Bolsonaro on the other hand. yes I would secretly be pulking for his demise

Trump... I would not. But only because behind him is Mike Penis and Joe Biden

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1247990215853170688?s=19

Another merit badge for Fauci.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1247990215853170688?s=19

Another merit badge for Fauci.Why does that matter to you, Qhris?

Step up.

[RandomGuy]

Covid19 treatment is free.

Dude, I wan't what you are huffing.

:rollin

Seriously though, I heard the mouth noises coming out of Cadet Bunglefuck McGees burger hole.

How much money you want to bet that won't be the case?

Before you answer, you may want to think long and hard about what health insurance premiums are going to do in the next year.

More free market failure, as fewer and fewer people will have health insurance.

But hey, we're number one, right? Best system in the world (at transferring money from poor people to rich shareholders)

[CosmicCowboy]

Uh, since when?

I stand corrected. I thought the free testing got expanded in the last big funding.

[CosmicCowboy]

Guess you young sluffers better get insurance just in case.

[ChumpDumper]

Guess you young sluffers better get insurance just in case.OK, boomer.

[RandomGuy]

Uh, since when?

President Sourdough "look at my ratings" Thunderthighs is pushing for it or something. Feel free to ask CC for a link. See how that goes. I tried and couldn't find where I had read it.

[hater]

Guess you young sluffers better get insurance just in case.

yup thats what happens in 3rd world countries

[RandomGuy]

Guess you young sluffers better get insurance just in case.

Yay. Hand-waving solution to all our problems.

What was your criticism of Sanders' health care plan again?

[Xevious]

.. blacks are being killed by covid at much higher rate than whites, they don't know why
Hispanics and Blacks have a higher percentage of people that suffer from diabetes, hypertension, obesity, etc than whites do.

[CosmicCowboy]

Personally, I think that would be appropriate for US to pay all costs of treatment despite insurance status while we are printing money.

[MannyIsGod]

Personally, I think that would be appropriate for US to pay all costs of treatment despite insurance status while we are printing money.

Same.

[CosmicCowboy]

Manny...you back in SA? Still with Jenn?

[picnroll]

Hydroxychloroquine-COVID-19 study did not meet publishing society’s “expected standard”

Didier Raoult
The paper that appears to have triggered the Trump administration’s obsession with hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for infection with the novel coronavirus has received a statement of concern from the society that publishes the journal in which the work appeared.

The April 3, 2020, notice, from the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, states that the March 20 article, “Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of Covid-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial” does not meet the expected standard, especially relating to the lack of better explanations of the inclusion criteria and the triage of patients to ensure patient safety.
The notice, which is from the ISAC and not the journal itself, is a bit ambiguous. The society says it “shares the concerns” about the paper, but it doesn’t appear to be taking additional action.

The study was led by Didier Raoult, of the University of Marseille, whose publication history has come under scrutiny.

Last month, Elisabeth Bik took a close look at the IJAA article and detailed a long list of serious problems with the study, including questions about its ethical underpinnings, messy confounding variables, missing patients, rushed and conflicted peer review, and confusing data.

Others have used PubPeer to report additional issues with the Raoult article.

Raoult has not responded to a request for comment from Retraction Watch.

Of course, the horse has left the proverbial barn on this one. An untold number of patients have been receiving hydroxychloroquine, as well as chloroquine, for Covid-19 infection, thanks in large part to cheerleading for the drugs from President Trump.

Although a certain amount of haste is to be expected in a medical crisis, and sometimes spitballing may be a viable option, the use of poorly investigated therapies is hardly risk free. In this case, not only do the drugs carry significant side effects, but they are critical treatments for people with lupus and rheumatoid arthritis — patients who now have to hope that they can still get access to medications that are keeping them alive. (Now come reports that states are hoarding hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for precisely these people.)

In other words, although the president might be narrowly correct when he says that Covid-19 patients have “nothing to lose” by taking the drugs, the game is zero-sum.

And we are likely to see lots of “promising” but ultimately unhelpful treatments in the days and weeks ahead. As we wrote the other day in Wired:

When it comes to findings, the Covid-19 train is an express, while the rigorous science coach is a local. Until that local arrives at its final destination, it may be wise to label all this research—preprints, peer-reviewed papers, and for goodness’ sake, pronouncements from Donald Trump— with a black-box warning: “There is some evidence for this now. It will likely turn out to be at least partially wrong.”

https://retractionwatch.com/2020/04/06/hydroxychlorine-covid-19-study-did-not-meet-publishing-societys-expected-standard/

[I]So much for Dr. Trump’s magic elixir

[CosmicCowboy]

Seems a bunch of doctors still believe it helps and their patients appreciate it.

[ducks]

Donald J. Trump realDonaldTrump
·
7m
This morning, 450,000 protective suits landed in Dallas, Texas. This was made possible because of the partnership of two great American companies—DuPont and FedEx—and our friends in Vietnam. Thank you!
@DuPont_News
Fedex

[picnroll]

Seems a bunch of doctors still believe it helps and their patients appreciate it.

Live by the anecdote die by the anecdote. Trash is a magical thinker in a world of reality.

[TSA]

That model is just for an initial wave. You should read the FAQ they have published. In other words, the moment we relax social distancing (they assume we keep it through August) that model is no longer a valid scenario.

We are going to have a 2nd wave. And then probably more after that.

The post I quoted was you a week ago saying two weeks from now we’d be around 150K dead. You’ve been further off than the often relied upon terrible model I posted :lol

[midnightpulp]

like 15, then zero, in warmer April in will disappear, magic!

Coronavirus unlikely to significantly diminish with warm weather, National Academies of Sciences panel finds

These findings are in line with previous studies offering

hypotheses regarding how the virus may behave in warmer and more humid conditions and

is an attempt to help distill the evidence for and against reduced virus transmissibility during warm weather.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/04/08/coronavirus-unlikely-diminish-with-warm-weather-national-academies-sciences-panel-finds/?itid=hp_hp-banner-main_virusweather-1215p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1




The rebuttal didn't seem that robust. And I have a problem with this.


“Given that countries currently in ‘summer’ climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed,”

Iran averaged 62 degrees in March vs. Australia's 74 degrees. Australia was pretty late to the party with their social distancing measures, and hasn't experienced "rapid virus spread" at all. They peaked over 2 weeks ago.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/

Of course, we can't be 100 percent sure Australia's results are just because of their climate, but I think their situation provides some insight. Even though they have favorable population density, Melbourne's pop density is about the same as Los Angeles, and LA has 3 times the death total as the whole of Australia. Of course summer won't completely halt spread, but I think there's more than enough clues that it will slow it down to manageable levels allowing us to prepare for the Fall/Winter wave.

[ducks]

The White House is reportedly developing a plan to get back to 'normality

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-reportedly-developing-plan-212600902.html

[Chris]

Why does that matter to you, Qhris?

Step up.

step up to these nuts

[Mark Celibate]

Send identical resumes to any set of employers.

Give one the name "Jaquan"
and the other the name "Jordon" or "John".

See which one gets the call back for an interview.



yeah, that's racist.

Doctors don't listen as closely to black patients, employers don't call them back for interviews, they don't get loans at the same rate, it goes on and on.

Thanks for sharing. Just read the link you sent and the entire research article associated with it. I assume you read it all as well. The article you linked in all intents and purposes directed me to the research article for further analysis. My takeaways from the article are:

- They mention the term "covering" as in stigmatized races cover some "prejudices" that are associated with their race as an effort to "downplay" their minority status. However, from the article iself, it remains unclear why minority candidates engage in this cover-up

Quote:

"Though Goffman’s classic insights into passing and covering are instructive, little is known about how these behaviors operate in modern labor markets, the conditions and motivations under which they occur, and their consequences for employment outcomes."

- There was an anecdote where a job seeker (Yvonne Orr) deliberately removed her position at an African American nonprofit organization to increase her chance at getting job interviews. I am curious as to why she did that, maybe you can explain since you linked the article. From the article itself:

"While such actions have been observed anecdotally, systematic research on the nature and consequences of this phenomenon in contemporary labor markets is practically nonexistent."

Again, they were not able to pinpoint why she did that. Looking forward to your feedback on this one.

- The focus was on Asians and African Americans

- 59 interviews were conducted (29 black, 30 Asian-American) ---> 55.9 % women

- thirty-six percent of interviewees (31% of black respondents and 40% of Asian respondents) reported that they personally engaged in résumé whitening.

- 2/3 of all interviewees knew someone else who 'whitened' their resume

I will say it's interesting how this study diverges from a statistical group as a whole to individual anecdotes. I'll try to summarize the rest of the article since I know nobody else is gonna read this sh!t.

- The individual African Americans and Asians in this study were told by "somebody" to downplay their involvement in African-American and Asian community activities in college because it was too controversial. I'd be curious to see what the control-group results are, if you could provide them. (i.e. how many interviews are scheduled for those that don't "whitewash" their resume) Just so that we can compare them. I know that you are very progressive and probably very pro-science unlink those evil Trump/orangeman-bad people so let me know when you have that article to share.

- After that, it's pretty much all anecdotal. A common theme among the Asian/Taiwanese/African-American is that they want to "Americanize" their resume...but since this is a scientific article that you listed, I'm just curious why they feel the need to do so. I never saw any indication that front.

Another thing to point out from your own link, many who were surveyed did not believe there was any discrimination

"Yet another reason for rejecting whitening is the belief that these techniques make little sense because discrimination against racial minority job applicants is rare in most labor markets. A black college student majoring in economics summarized this position:I mean in today’s society I cannot think of a situation in which it will make that much of a difference…. Because I feel like today we've progressed to the extent in which [hiring] is based more on qualifications rather than racial identifiers and then there"

- Minorities were shown to not "whiten" their resumes as much when a job or company championed "pro diversity"

- For the test conditions, African-Americans/Asians were selected as a whole to apply for 1,600 jobs. 800 of those jobs had buzzwords such as "diversity" and "inclusion" while the other 800 did not.

- Studies showed that both African-Americans and Asians did not "white-wash" their resume as much for the job openings that did not include those buzzwords. In other words, they left minority information more often on their resume that hinted they were of "Minority" status when they were applying for a job that implied they were pro-diversity


Results:


- Minority applicants that applied for pro-diversity jobs got more callbacks

- These minority applicants did not whitewash their resume as much as the other group

So I'm curious how that study:

1) explains how names with "Jaquan" get called back less to an interview? Again, you progressives are much more enlightened than I, so I look forward to your explanation and

2) "Doctors don't listen as closely to black patients" ... nothing was mentioned in that article about medical treatment, hospitals, doctors, or patients. But again, I am unenlightened so I probably am missing something

thx

[RandomGuy]

Seems a bunch of doctors still believe it helps and their patients appreciate it.

Except for the ones that took their patients off the medication because of arythmias...

Details details. Gotta push Dear Leaders medical acumen. That CEO didn't pay Cohen millions for access to Trump for nothing.

[RandomGuy]

Thanks for sharing. Just read the link you sent and the entire research article associated with it. I assume you read it all as well. The article you linked in all intents and purposes directed me to the research article for further analysis. My takeaways from the article are:

- They mention the term "covering" as in stigmatized races cover some "prejudices" that are associated with their race as an effort to "downplay" their minority status. However, from the article iself, it remains unclear why minority candidates engage in this cover-up

Quote:

"Though Goffman’s classic insights into passing and covering are instructive, little is known about how these behaviors operate in modern labor markets, the conditions and motivations under which they occur, and their consequences for employment outcomes."

- There was an anecdote where a job seeker (Yvonne Orr) deliberately removed her position at an African American nonprofit organization to increase her chance at getting job interviews. I am curious as to why she did that, maybe you can explain since you linked the article. From the article itself:

"While such actions have been observed anecdotally, systematic research on the nature and consequences of this phenomenon in contemporary labor markets is practically nonexistent."

Again, they were not able to pinpoint why she did that. Looking forward to your feedback on this one.

- The focus was on Asians and African Americans

- 59 interviews were conducted (29 black, 30 Asian-American) ---> 55.9 % women

- thirty-six percent of interviewees (31% of black respondents and 40% of Asian respondents) reported that they personally engaged in résumé whitening.

- 2/3 of all interviewees knew someone else who 'whitened' their resume

I will say it's interesting how this study diverges from a statistical group as a whole to individual anecdotes. I'll try to summarize the rest of the article since I know nobody else is gonna read this sh!t.

- The individual African Americans and Asians in this study were told by "somebody" to downplay their involvement in African-American and Asian community activities in college because it was too controversial. I'd be curious to see what the control-group results are, if you could provide them. (i.e. how many interviews are scheduled for those that don't "whitewash" their resume) Just so that we can compare them. I know that you are very progressive and probably very pro-science unlink those evil Trump/orangeman-bad people so let me know when you have that article to share.

- After that, it's pretty much all anecdotal. A common theme among the Asian/Taiwanese/African-American is that they want to "Americanize" their resume...but since this is a scientific article that you listed, I'm just curious why they feel the need to do so. I never saw any indication that front.

Another thing to point out from your own link, many who were surveyed did not believe there was any discrimination

"Yet another reason for rejecting whitening is the belief that these techniques make little sense because discrimination against racial minority job applicants is rare in most labor markets. A black college student majoring in economics summarized this position:I mean in today’s society I cannot think of a situation in which it will make that much of a difference…. Because I feel like today we've progressed to the extent in which [hiring] is based more on qualifications rather than racial identifiers and then there"

- Minorities were shown to not "whiten" their resumes as much when a job or company championed "pro diversity"

- For the test conditions, African-Americans/Asians were selected as a whole to apply for 1,600 jobs. 800 of those jobs had buzzwords such as "diversity" and "inclusion" while the other 800 did not.

- Studies showed that both African-Americans and Asians did not "white-wash" their resume as much for the job openings that did not include those buzzwords. In other words, they left minority information more often on their resume that hinted they were of "Minority" status when they were applying for a job that implied they were pro-diversity


Results:


- Minority applicants that applied for pro-diversity jobs got more callbacks

- These minority applicants did not whitewash their resume as much as the other group

So I'm curious how that study:

1) explains how names with "Jaquan" get called back less to an interview? Again, you progressives are much more enlightened than I, so I look forward to your explanation and

2) "Doctors don't listen as closely to black patients" ... nothing was mentioned in that article about medical treatment, hospitals, doctors, or patients. But again, I am unenlightened so I probably am missing something

thx

Holee shit Batman. Who are you and what have you done to our normally scheduled banter? Jeeez. (starts reading)

(man, I was really looking forward to playing a bit of Surviving Mars before bed, this looks to be a bit long, will try to get to it tomorrow, but thanks, don't let me forget this exists, it is worth talking about in detail)

[ducks]

Updated numbers
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/91700507_10108725675797647_910525980055961600_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnJCNmZypwbmMneq3Hu7Ow__hafNClh2FVSo3odFrq ObAUHWyM9rIt2yXguiR6ZM_w&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=46aafdcbc9c08c5ff587be6c63e72aa1&oe=5EB4FAC1

[ducks]

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and his top health official were telling citizens to take the subway and attend parades months after President Donald Trump restricted travel to coronavirus-plagued China.

De Blasio and New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot took turns telling citizens in February and March that the virus was not as widespread as people thought. Data now show that the city is becoming the epicenter for the coronavirus, which has killed 883 New Yorkers.

[midnightpulp]

"The base."

1248038458985050112

[Chris]

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and his top health official were telling citizens to take the subway and attend parades months after President Donald Trump restricted travel to coronavirus-plagued China.

De Blasio and New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot took turns telling citizens in February and March that the virus was not as widespread as people thought. Data now show that the city is becoming the epicenter for the coronavirus, which has killed 883 New Yorkers.

but Drumpf

[ChumpDumper]

but Drumpf
Did the same exact thing.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny...you back in SA? Still with Jenn?

LOL, i'm married to Jess. We live in Bryan - College Station.

[MannyIsGod]

The post I quoted was you a week ago saying two weeks from now we’d be around 150K dead. You’ve been further off than the often relied upon terrible model I posted :lol

I know reading is hard for you, but still man. First, it says 3 weeks, not two. Second, its been ONE week. When I posted it we were at 2.5k deaths. In a week, we're now 14.5K. So, 7 days and we've doubled twice and THEN some. 2.5k * 2 = 5 * 2 = 10k I KNOW its hard for you to understand, but we're actually moving FASTER than what I said a week ago.

All this time and you still don't get exponential growth. We may miss that mark I made. I hope we do. But to act like one week into the projection that we're somehow looking good to do so ignores all the data at hand. I never said we were hitting 150k in 3 weeks though. I was pointing out how the doubling time makes a 100k prediction to be appropriate for the short term. Nothing in the past week has changed that.

[spurraider21]

I know reading is hard for you, but still man. First, it says 3 weeks, not two. Second, its been ONE week. When I posted it we were at 2.5k deaths. In a week, we're now 14.5K. So, 7 days and we've doubled twice and THEN some. 2.5k * 2 = 5 * 2 = 10k I KNOW its hard for you to understand, but we're actually moving FASTER than what I said a week ago.

All this time and you still don't get exponential growth. We may miss that mark I made. I hope we do. But to act like one week into the projection that we're somehow looking good to do so ignores all the data at hand. I never said we were hitting 150k in 3 weeks though. I was pointing out how the doubling time makes a 100k prediction to be appropriate for the short term. Nothing in the past week has changed that.
he's saying you made the post 1 week ago and you said we'd be there 2 weeks from now (as in 3 weeks from when you posted it)

[Chris]

Did the same exact thing.

Explain your conspiracy theory.

Step up.

[MannyIsGod]

Point still stands. We're still on pace for that. Deaths will level off just as cases have, but will it happen within the next 2 weeks? Maybe, maybe not. There's nothing in the current death rate increases that say that's happening.

[ChumpDumper]

Explain your conspiracy theory.

Step up.February 26th: During a press briefing at the White House, Trump claims that positive cases will soon begin to decrease.

“We’re going to be pretty soon at only five people,” he said. “And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”

“I think every aspect of our society should be prepared,” he added later. “I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”


Need more?

[apalisoc_9]

February 26th: During a press briefing at the White House, Trump claims that positive cases will soon begin to decrease.

“We’re going to be pretty soon at only five people,” he said. “And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”

“I think every aspect of our society should be prepared,” he added later. “I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”


Need more?

Dude caused of thousands of deaths and chris and his crew still thinks he's a hero.

Something must be done with these goons who now have started voting not in terms of what's good for the american people

[ChumpDumper]

Well this will certainly clear everything up!

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has abruptly switched its guidance for use of a drug touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for COVID-19, dropping its reference to anecdotal dosages to say simply that there are no approved drugs for dealing with the disease.

The CDC's online advice for hydroxychloroquine was updated April 7, three days after Reuters reported that the CDC was offering what the news agency called "highly unusual guidance" for the drug's use based on "unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science."

The updated, and shortened, guidance says simply that "hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients and "there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC originally told Reuters that the earlier guidance was crafted for doctors at the request of a White House coronavirus task force, which had urged prompt action.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/08/coronavirus-cdc-removes-guidance-hydroxychloroquine-treatment/2967852001/

[TSA]

I know reading is hard for you, but still man. First, it says 3 weeks, not two. Second, its been ONE week. When I posted it we were at 2.5k deaths. In a week, we're now 14.5K. So, 7 days and we've doubled twice and THEN some. 2.5k * 2 = 5 * 2 = 10k I KNOW its hard for you to understand, but we're actually moving FASTER than what I said a week ago.

All this time and you still don't get exponential growth. We may miss that mark I made. I hope we do. But to act like one week into the projection that we're somehow looking good to do so ignores all the data at hand. I never said we were hitting 150k in 3 weeks though. I was pointing out how the doubling time makes a 100k prediction to be appropriate for the short term. Nothing in the past week has changed that.

I know it said 3 weeks, and I know it’s been a week, that’s why I said two weeks from now. But yeah I’m the one with a reading problem :lol

Why is it so difficult for you to admit your prediction a week ago wasn’t even close even after being shown the leading model (which was terrible to begin with and keeps keeps revising down) wasn’t even in your ballpark and it runs through August :lol and not two weeks from your prediction end date.

[boutons_deux]

We all know BigCorp lobbyist whore in the EPA have gutted air, water, land anti-pollution regs, which will result 10Ks with disease and death.

The evidence is coming in. Air pollution damages lungs, more EPA air pollution means more damaged lungs.

Our First Evidence People Exposed to Pollution Are More Likely to Die From Coronavirus

Health experts had suspected (https://earther.gizmodo.com/if-you-live-with-air-pollution-youre-already-more-vuln-1842366934) the coronavirus pandemic would kill more people in areas where there’s higher air pollution.

Now, they have preliminary data to back it up.

found that just a small increase in long-term air pollution exposure led to a 15 percent rise in the covid-19 death rate.

https://earther.gizmodo.com/our-first-evidence-people-exposed-to-pollution-are-more-1842735108

[Chris]

February 26th: During a press briefing at the White House, Trump claims that positive cases will soon begin to decrease.

“We’re going to be pretty soon at only five people,” he said. “And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.”

“I think every aspect of our society should be prepared,” he added later. “I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”


Need more?

oh so he didn't do the same thing as Bill de Blasio thanks for that :tu

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL, i'm married to Jess. We live in Bryan - College Station.

Oops. JESS. Sorry. Happy for you guys.

[ChumpDumper]

oh so he didn't do the same thing as Bill de Blasio thanks for that :tuHe absolutely did.:tu

Downplaying the danger of the virus.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rhodysbroker/status/1248066303283396611

:lol

[DarrinS]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rhodysbroker/status/1248066303283396611

:lol


Oh well, they got their clicks.

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rhodysbroker/status/1248066303283396611

:lolHAHAHA IT WAS JUST JANUARY WHEN HE WAS WARNED AND DID NOTHING SUCK IT LIBS

[SnakeBoy]

HAHAHA IT WAS JUST JANUARY WHEN HE WAS WARNED AND DID NOTHING SUCK IT LIBS

All caps meltdown :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

All caps meltdown :lmaoDid you need blue font? Let me know how to accommodate your dad joke sensibilities.

[ElNono]

Israeli COVID-19 treatment shows 100% survival rate - preliminary data

Six critically ill coronavirus patients in Israel who are considered high-risk for mortality have been treated with Pluristem’s placenta-based cell-therapy product and survived, according to preliminary data provided by the Haifa-based company.
The patients were treated at three different Israeli medical centers for one week under the country’s compassionate use program and were suffering from acute respiratory failure and inflammatory complications associated with COVID-19. Four of the patients also demonstrated failure of other organ systems, including cardiovascular and kidney failure.

Not only have all the patients survived, according to Pluristem, but four of them showed improvement in respiratory parameters and three of them are in the advanced stages of weaning from ventilators. Moreover, two of the patients with preexisting medical conditions are showing clinical recovery in addition to the respiratory improvement.

“We are pleased with this initial outcome of the compassionate use program and committed to harnessing PLX cells for the benefit of patients and healthcare systems,” said Pluristem CEO and president Yaky Yanay. “Pluristem is dedicated to using its competitive advantages in large-scale manufacturing to potentially deliver PLX cells to a large number of patients in significant need.”

Pluristem’s PLX cells are “allogeneic mesenchymal-like cells that have immunomodulatory properties,” meaning they induce the immune system’s natural regulatory T cells and M2 macrophages, the company explained in a previous release. The result could be the reversal of dangerous overactivation of the immune system. This would likely reduce the fatal symptoms of pneumonia and pneumonitis (general inflammation of lung tissue).

Previous preclinical findings regarding PLX cells revealed significant therapeutic effects in animal studies of pulmonary hypertension, lung fibrosis, acute kidney injury and gastrointestinal injury.

Pluristem plans to apply for initiation of a multinational clinical trial for the treatment of complications associated with coronavirus, the release said, noting that it will no longer report on its compassionate use trials but rather on the status and progress of its contemplated clinical trial. The company is already in discussions with regulators in the United States and Europe to “define our clinical strategy for COVID-19,” Yanay added.

https://m.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-COVID-19-treatment-shows-100-percent-survival-rate-preliminary-data-624058/amp?__twitter_impression=true

https://i.imgflip.com/agrg2.jpg

TGY get in here and spin this shit!

[Nathan89]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rhodysbroker/status/1248066303283396611

:lol

They work damn hard to earn their moniker tbh

[SnakeBoy]

City has been made aware. I can't give you the details but it all starts with one home health company that to this day thinks Covid is overblown and is still sending people out to see pts with no PPE. They even send them to see known covid positive pts without telling them.


Wow how is the city covering this up? Shit should be on the front page of the Express News.

Dominoes are falling. The home health company mentioned is not the only one involved.

https://www.ksat.com/news/defenders/2020/04/08/nursing-home-therapist-warned-supervisors-of-possible-covid-19-exposure-10-days-before-deadly-outbreak-records-show/

Made national news also.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1248041696505585665?s=19

[MannyIsGod]

I know it said 3 weeks, and I know it’s been a week, that’s why I said two weeks from now. But yeah I’m the one with a reading problem :lol

Why is it so difficult for you to admit your prediction a week ago wasn’t even close even after being shown the leading model (which was terrible to begin with and keeps keeps revising down) wasn’t even in your ballpark and it runs through August :lol and not two weeks from your prediction end date.

1. You still don't understand exponential growth.

2. You don't understand what I said 1 week ago.

3. You don't understand that the rate I was talking about 1 week ago is slower than what is happening in reality.

4. You don't know how to interpret that model.

That's why its so hard to admit I'm wrong. Because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

https://i.imgflip.com/agrg2.jpg

TGY get in here and spin this shit!

:lol sons, TGY was right. Turns out it was the JOO FLOO the whole time! The Cohen-19 virus.....the US has been dealing with this pandemic since 1945 tbh

[MannyIsGod]

Dominoes are falling. The home health company mentioned is not the only one involved.

https://www.ksat.com/news/defenders/2020/04/08/nursing-home-therapist-warned-supervisors-of-possible-covid-19-exposure-10-days-before-deadly-outbreak-records-show/

Made national news also.

Sad. Worst part of our culture is how incentivized people are to cut corners and take shortcuts at the expense of safety.

[MannyIsGod]

Oops. JESS. Sorry. Happy for you guys.

Thanks, aside from the pandemic, life is good for us right now.

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1248041696505585665?s=19

Kamala

[MannyIsGod]

Harris is right. The President shouldn't be advocating for any specific treatment up there. He has no fucking idea what he's talking about. There's a reason Fauci is way more reserved when discussing it. Maybe it helps. I hope it does. But that doesn't mean POTUS should be even talking about it up there much less acting like a medical professional. But thats how he is. Just endless bullshit spewed from his mouth.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1248041696505585665?s=19Trump's CDC took the drug off their website.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has abruptly switched its guidance for use of a drug touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for COVID-19, dropping its reference to anecdotal dosages to say simply that there are no approved drugs for dealing with the disease.

The CDC's online advice for hydroxychloroquine was updated April 7, three days after Reuters reported that the CDC was offering what the news agency called "highly unusual guidance" for the drug's use based on "unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science."

The updated, and shortened, guidance says simply that "hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients and "there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC originally told Reuters that the earlier guidance was crafted for doctors at the request of a White House coronavirus task force, which had urged prompt action.

[baseline bum]

Dominoes are falling. The home health company mentioned is not the only one involved.

https://www.ksat.com/news/defenders/2020/04/08/nursing-home-therapist-warned-supervisors-of-possible-covid-19-exposure-10-days-before-deadly-outbreak-records-show/

Made national news also.

Not surprising in the least. I just wish we'd hear something about the Live Oak nursing home that shared workers with the place since that's pretty close to where I live.

[SnakeBoy]

Sad. Worst part of our culture is how incentivized people are to cut corners and take shortcuts at the expense of safety.

A lifetime ago I was taking prerequisites for Physical Therapy while working as an assistant at a SA Rehab facility. So I know a lot of therapist's. Most all of them have moved to home health since that is where decent salaries are at now. They are good people but from listening to them talk about their companies over the years it is clear that the owner's of these companies are peices of shit who don't care about their people or patients.

Not to get into a political debate but I'll just say well intended policies have driven that change in the name of cost efficiency. Those unintended consequences.

[DMC]

Sad. Worst part of our culture is how incentivized people are to cut corners and take shortcuts at the expense of safety.

The model of demanding YOY revenue increase and meeting - beating YOY means that, when there's not enough new money coming in, the numbers have to be padded by internal cannibalism. Imagine how much profit you could show if you didn't pay any of your bills for 3 months. Wow we have all this money... we beat projections for spending and capital (and we creatively relabeled some of it revenue). Almost always given in a pro forma statement.

[slick'81]

Kamala


Gonna be bidens running mate

[slick'81]

Not surprising in the least. I just wish we'd hear something about the Live Oak nursing home that shared workers with the place since that's pretty close to where I live.


Someone obviously paying to cover it up

[Blake]

Trump's CDC took the drug off their website.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has abruptly switched its guidance for use of a drug touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for COVID-19, dropping its reference to anecdotal dosages to say simply that there are no approved drugs for dealing with the disease.

The CDC's online advice for hydroxychloroquine was updated April 7, three days after Reuters reported that the CDC was offering what the news agency called "highly unusual guidance" for the drug's use based on "unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science."

The updated, and shortened, guidance says simply that "hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients and "there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC originally told Reuters that the earlier guidance was crafted for doctors at the request of a White House coronavirus task force, which had urged prompt action.

Yeah but there was det one doctor in San Francisco who did good things with it tho I think

[slick'81]

Yeah but there was det one doctor in San Francisco who did good things with it tho I think


Dont forget that french dr

[SnakeBoy]

Trump's CDC took the drug off their website.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has abruptly switched its guidance for use of a drug touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for COVID-19, dropping its reference to anecdotal dosages to say simply that there are no approved drugs for dealing with the disease.

The CDC's online advice for hydroxychloroquine was updated April 7, three days after Reuters reported that the CDC was offering what the news agency called "highly unusual guidance" for the drug's use based on "unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science."

The updated, and shortened, guidance says simply that "hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients and "there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC originally told Reuters that the earlier guidance was crafted for doctors at the request of a White House coronavirus task force, which had urged prompt action.

That's great news! Hopefully it stays that way cuz Trump

[Blake]

Dont forget that french dr

Le chloroniqué

[ChumpDumper]

Dont forget that french drI'm sure they took it down once they saw the report saying the French study was hot garbage. Anyone who actually read it had to know it was worthless. The shitshow continues.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1247997998677835787?s=20

[SnakeBoy]

I'm sure they took it down once they saw the report saying the French study was hot garbage. Anyone who actually read it had to know it was worthless. The shitshow continues.

You mean the anecdotal report of 11 patients that was designed to give poor results?

Anecdotes good now

[Fat Brandon Bass]

I am LITERALLY shaking! Anybody else??

I don't see us ever returning back to society in years much less a few months. Might as well quarantine everyone up to a decade. Shut everything down. PLEEAASE.!!! Just call in the National Guard and have them deliver food to us once every three days....everyone gets to leave their house for exercise once a month for 10 minutes ONLY. If anybody exceeds that, have the National Guard shoot them on site. In 20 years, MAYBE we can revisit letting people out. I don't care if everyone loses their job. That's the only way we can beat this, we can't sacrifice a single life.

If you disagree with me you are literally Hitler like BadOrangeman

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1247997998677835787?s=20

Yep. Bigger numbers are harder to double than smaller numbers. But like Silver implied, no good news right now. We're probably entering a plateau, and who knows how long that could stretch. If it's a month, that equals about 60K deaths over the next 30 days.

[slick'81]

Yep. Bigger numbers are harder to double than smaller numbers. But like Silver implied, no good news right now. We're probably entering a plateau, and who knows how long that could stretch. If it's a month, that equals about 60K deaths over the next 30 days.


Def not good news,but expected

[ChumpDumper]

You mean the anecdotal report of 11 patients that was designed to give poor results?

Anecdotes good nowDesigned?

Explain.

I'm talking about the original 36 patient study that was just retracted by its publisher.

[Reck]

Gonna be bidens running mate

I prefer Warren but she would do.

Anyone but Klobuchar would be ok. I am praying it is not her.

[SnakeBoy]

Well this will certainly clear everything up!

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has abruptly switched its guidance for use of a drug touted by President Donald Trump as a possible treatment for COVID-19, dropping its reference to anecdotal dosages to say simply that there are no approved drugs for dealing with the disease.

The CDC's online advice for hydroxychloroquine was updated April 7, three days after Reuters reported that the CDC was offering what the news agency called "highly unusual guidance" for the drug's use based on "unattributed anecdotes rather than peer-reviewed science."

The updated, and shortened, guidance says simply that "hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are under investigation in clinical trials” for use on coronavirus patients and "there are no drugs or other therapeutics approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to prevent or treat COVID-19."

The CDC originally told Reuters that the earlier guidance was crafted for doctors at the request of a White House coronavirus task force, which had urged prompt action.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/08/coronavirus-cdc-removes-guidance-hydroxychloroquine-treatment/2967852001/

Bad news Chump

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html

[Blake]

You mean the anecdotal report of 11 patients that was designed to give poor results?

Anecdotes good now

Anecdotes have never been great for science.

[ChumpDumper]

Bad news Chump

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.htmlThat jibes completely with the article.

Maybe you should try reading it.

Let me know if you're still having trouble. I'd be glad to dumb it down for you.

[SnakeBoy]

Harris is right. The President shouldn't be advocating for any specific treatment up there. He has no fucking idea what he's talking about. There's a reason Fauci is way more reserved when discussing it. Maybe it helps. I hope it does. But that doesn't mean POTUS should be even talking about it up there much less acting like a medical professional. But thats how he is. Just endless bullshit spewed from his mouth.

Are you for or against the parallel track approach?

[SnakeBoy]

I'm talking about the original 36 patient study that was just retracted by its publisher.

I thought you were talking about the 11 pt study

[ChumpDumper]

I thought you were talking about the 11 pt studyNo

Statement on IJAA paper



Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial (Gautret P et al. PMID 32205204)

ISAC shares the concerns regarding the above article published recently in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents (IJAA). The ISAC Board believes the article does not meet the Society’s expected standard, especially relating to the lack of better explanations of the inclusion criteria and the triage of patients to ensure patient safety.

Despite some suggestions online as to the reliability of the article's peer review process, the process did adhere to the industry's peer review rules. Given his role as Editor in Chief of this journal, Jean-Marc Rolain had no involvement in the peer review of the manuscript and has no access to information regarding its peer review. Full responsibility for the manuscript's peer review process was delegated to an Associate Editor.

Although ISAC recognises it is important to help the scientific community by publishing new data fast, this cannot be at the cost of reducing scientific scrutiny and best practices. Both Editors in Chief of our journals (IJAA and Journal of Global Antimicrobial Resistance) are in full agreement.

Andreas Voss
ISAC President

https://www.isac.world/news-and-publications/official-isac-statement

I mean all the problems were apparent right off the bat. It should have had a caveat every time it was cited or mentioned.

[midnightpulp]

Def not good news,but expected

Let's get to some good news.

Texas doesn't show any indication of going super exponential.

https://i.imgur.com/9AJDn9t.jpg

At day 16, NY was at 1550 deaths and Texas is at 189 deaths.

Despite DeSantis's fuckery and all the Spring Break brouhaha, FL is also holding firm. They had their most deaths 6 days ago (thus far). We basically don't want to see some trend like 30 to 45 to 70 to 100 to 120 to 150, etc. Florida is showing no indication so far of that progression.

https://i.imgur.com/bqME1Rv.jpg

California is also trending good. Vs. New York at their respective 23 days since death 10, CA is at 495 and NY is at 5489. Governor Newsom also sent 500 ventilators to different states, so their projections must be looking positive in order to do that.

And in addition to these large states doing well, a lot of the Southwest and Midwest states with smaller populations aren't seeing any spikes. The Northeast and Upper Midwest (IL, MI) aren't trending good. Let's just hope the combination of weather, mass transit use, population density and such proves to be beneficial over the next month and keeps CA, TX, and FL from rapid exponential growth.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you for or against the parallel track approach?

Do you mean using it now while we study it? I'm OK with that. I'll defer to the doctors judgement on that, though. I honestly don't know when the side effects are applicable. I just don't want the president talking about it.

[Blake]

Let's get to some good news.

Texas doesn't show any indication of going super exponential.

https://i.imgur.com/9AJDn9t.jpg

At day 16, NY was at 1550 deaths and Texas is at 189 deaths.

Despite DeSantis's fuckery and all the Spring Break brouhaha, FL is also holding firm. They had their most deaths 6 days ago (thus far). We basically don't want to see some trend like 30 to 45 to 70 to 100 to 120 to 150, etc. Florida is showing no indication so far of that progression.

https://i.imgur.com/bqME1Rv.jpg

California is also trending good. Vs. New York at their respective 23 days since death 10, CA is at 495 and NY is at 5489. Governor Newsom also sent 500 ventilators to different states, so their projections must be looking positive in order to do that.

And in addition to these large states doing well, a lot of the Southwest and Midwest states with smaller populations aren't seeing any spikes. The Northeast and Upper Midwest (IL, MI) aren't trending good. Let's just hope the combination of weather, mass transit use, population density and such proves to be beneficial over the next month and keeps CA, TX, and FL from rapid exponential growth.

^ just from what I'm seeing it looks like population density is the biggest beneficial plus of being in Texas

Is there a global chart you happen to know of with population density trends?

[midnightpulp]

^ just from what I'm seeing it looks like population density is the biggest beneficial plus of being in Texas

Is there a global chart you happen to know of with population density trends?

No, but that would be worth exploring, although you could never get a true 1 to 1 comparison, since mitigation efforts, social behavior, and climate all most likely play a role. San Francisco is the 2nd most dense city in the US and is in that green climate band this time of year, and they have only 10 deaths in the city (scaling their pop to NY's, that gives them a 100 deaths). So we definitely have to credit the mayor's quick lockdown with curbing their growth early.

[SnakeBoy]

Do you mean using it now while we study it? I'm OK with that. I'll defer to the doctors judgement on that, though. I honestly don't know when the side effects are applicable. I just don't want the president talking about it.

That's literally cuz Trump

Well if you get a serious case of the Covid don't mention treatment with Hydroxychloroquine/Zithro or Remdesevir to your doctor. Hopefully they won't mention it either and it will be like Trump never talked about them at all.

[ChumpDumper]

SnakeBoy's getting paranoid about people just practicing good judgment. Wishing ill on posters koriwhat-style.

[Blake]

SnakeBoy's getting paranoid about people just practicing good judgment. Wishing ill on posters koriwhat-style.

Gonna have to post the "hope the medicine works" disclaimer somewhere in this thread too

[ChumpDumper]

Gonna have to post the "hope the medicine works" disclaimer somewhere in this thread too

See if we can get a sign-on thread stickied to the top so they don't forget.

[SnakeBoy]

No

Statement on IJAA paper



Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial (Gautret P et al. PMID 32205204)

ISAC shares the concerns regarding the above article published recently in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents (IJAA). The ISAC Board believes the article does not meet the Society’s expected standard, especially relating to the lack of better explanations of the inclusion criteria and the triage of patients to ensure patient safety.

Despite some suggestions online as to the reliability of the article's peer review process, the process did adhere to the industry's peer review rules. Given his role as Editor in Chief of this journal, Jean-Marc Rolain had no involvement in the peer review of the manuscript and has no access to information regarding its peer review. Full responsibility for the manuscript's peer review process was delegated to an Associate Editor.

Although ISAC recognises it is important to help the scientific community by publishing new data fast, this cannot be at the cost of reducing scientific scrutiny and best practices. Both Editors in Chief of our journals (IJAA and Journal of Global Antimicrobial Resistance) are in full agreement.

Andreas Voss
ISAC President

https://www.isac.world/news-and-publications/official-isac-statement

I mean all the problems were apparent right off the bat. It should have had a caveat every time it was cited or mentioned.

Hadn't seen that.

So they didn't retract the study, thanks.

Do you believe Doctor's should be using the treatment with informed consent (the parallel track approach)?

[DMC]

The red tape and "I'm not signing it" approach the government uses even during a crisis is why I never want them in charge of healthcare.

[ChumpDumper]

Hadn't seen that.

So they didn't retract the study, thanks.True, they just shit on it. You're welcome.


Do you believe Doctor's should be using the treatment with informed consent (the parallel track approach)?I believe studies should be better than that one. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert or make recommendations to researchers. I hope it works out for the patients, doctors, Trump and your ego. I would like nothing better than your saying I told you so.

[SnakeBoy]

I believe studies should be better than that one. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert or make recommendations to researchers. I hope it works out for the patients, doctors, Trump and your ego. I would like nothing better than your saying I told you so.

That's a dodge. Better studies are underway but they take time.

Do you believe Doctor's should be using the treatment with informed consent (the parallel track approach)?

Yes or No

[Blake]

The red tape and "I'm not signing it" approach the government uses even during a crisis is why I never want them in charge of healthcare.

Yeah because full tilt capitalist healthcare approach has been super

[ChumpDumper]

That's a dodge.Yeah, you have a couple questions pending. Why don't you answer those before you accuse anyone of dodging anything. Thanks in advance.

Better studies are underway but they take time.As they should. This one was horrible and didn't merit the hype you put on it.

[Blake]

That's a dodge. Better studies are underway but they take time.

Do you believe Doctor's should be using the treatment with informed consent (the parallel track approach)?

Yes or No

You're asking a non-doctor his opinion on what doctors should be using.

[ChumpDumper]

You're asking a non-doctor his opinion on what doctors should be using.I have a doctor in the family! I'm just as qualified as anyone!

[DMC]

Yeah because full tilt capitalist healthcare approach has been super

Look at public lab testing vs private. You tell me who's more capable - highly skilled career minded folks or quota fillers who make less than a clerk at HEB and basically are looking for the time/age retirement exit? Public labs are lagging behind because they have a shit ton of red tape, which wouldn't go away in a national HC system.

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah, you have a couple questions pending.

You have thousands pending

This one is pretty simple

[DMC]

You're asking a non-doctor his opinion on what doctors should be using.

Why are you interjecting? Can't Chumpy handle himself?

The question is legit. Chumpy can simply answer "I don't have an opinion on it" or "I am not qualified to give an opinion on it".

Besides, doctors don't make the decisions on what the FDA decides.

[ChumpDumper]

You have thousands pending

This one is pretty simpleAs was mine for you.

Still waiting.

[DMC]

I have a doctor in the family! I'm just as qualified as anyone!

Chumpy folds

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you interjecting? Can't Chumpy handle himself?

The question is legit. Chumpy can simply answer "I don't have an opinion on it" or "I am not qualified to give an opinion on it".

Besides, doctors don't make the decisions on what the FDA decides.:lol Thank you for your concern. Have you figured it out yet?

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpy foldsSo you couldn't figure it out.:tu

[SnakeBoy]

Look at public lab testing vs private. You tell me who's more capable - highly skilled career minded folks or quota fillers who make less than a clerk at HEB and basically are looking for the time/age retirement exit? Public labs are lagging behind because they have a shit ton of red tape, which wouldn't go away in a national HC system.

They think this crisis makes a good case for all of healthcare to be run by a central govt bureaucracy

[DMC]

:lol Thank you for your concern. Have you figured it out yet?

"It should have had a caveat every time it was cited or mentioned."

You can give an opinion on this but not on the other because you're not a doctor?

:lol

Yes it should be an option. People get fucking chemo and radiation treatments and those don't do the body good. All options should be available to the doctor as off-label. It should be between the care provider and the patient.

[ChumpDumper]

"It should have had a caveat every time it was cited or mentioned."

You can give an opinion on this but not on the other because you're not a doctor?Yep. High school student could see the holes in that study. Did you see them?


Yes it should be an option. People get fucking chemo and radiation treatments and those don't do the body good. All options should be available to the doctor as off-label.Great. Aren't they already doing that? What are we arguing here?

[DMC]

Yep. High school student could see the holes in that study. Did you see them?

You cannot answer a simple question because you're not a doctor but you're qualified to peer review a medical study. Got it.


Great. Aren't they already doing that? What are we arguing here?
You were asked a simple question and you started stuttering and mumbling shit, then your lap dog shows up barking and nipping at Snakeboy's ankles.

[ChumpDumper]

You cannot answer a simple question because you're not a doctor but you're qualified to peer review a medical study. Got it.I'm not a peer. You're really bad at definitions.


You were asked a simple question and you started stuttering and mumbling shit, then your lap dog shows up barking and nipping at Snakeboy's ankles.What are we arguing here? Do I agree with what's already happening all over the world? When have I objected?

[DMC]

They think this crisis makes a good case for all of healthcare to be run by a central govt bureaucracy

Look what a fantastic job they do. There would be nothing better than having your surgeries cancelled because the politicians are holding up the process to get pork spending passed on a bill.

[DMC]

I'm not a peer. You're really bad at definitions.

What are we arguing here?

You're really bad at getting out of corners after painting yourself into them.

[ChumpDumper]

You're really bad at getting out of corners after painting yourself into them.You never said what you're arguing here.

What are you arguing here?

[DMC]

Do you mean using it now while we study it? I'm OK with that. I'll defer to the doctors judgement on that, though. I honestly don't know when the side effects are applicable. I just don't want the president talking about it.


You never said what you're arguing here.

What are you arguing here?

See how Manny responded and he's also not a doctor?

You're really good at dumbing things down. Real pro.

[ChumpDumper]

See how Manny responded and he's also not a doctor? Great. I have never objected to this thing that has been going on this entire time. We've been talking about it ever since the study came out. Leave it to the people who have already worked it out.


You're really good at dumbing things down. Real pro.What are you arguing here?

[MannyIsGod]

That's literally cuz Trump

Well if you get a serious case of the Covid don't mention treatment with Hydroxychloroquine/Zithro or Remdesevir to your doctor. Hopefully they won't mention it either and it will be like Trump never talked about them at all.

Ha, no its not. Trump knew nothing about the drug until others were using it. The idea that Trump is leading the charge on any type of treatment is hilarious.

[MannyIsGod]

Look at public lab testing vs private. You tell me who's more capable - highly skilled career minded folks or quota fillers who make less than a clerk at HEB and basically are looking for the time/age retirement exit? Public labs are lagging behind because they have a shit ton of red tape, which wouldn't go away in a national HC system.


They think this crisis makes a good case for all of healthcare to be run by a central govt bureaucracy

Ok, lets look at private vs public testing. Y'all know every other nation that is above us in per capita testing has nationalized healthcare? The fact that private labs here are only now doing a decent job at the DIRECTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT sure isn't making the point you guys think it is. You realize that US health lags a lot of countries with nationalized health care?

Not really sure why y'all are smug on this end but whats new?

[SnakeBoy]

Ha, no its not. Trump knew nothing about the drug until others were using it. The idea that Trump is leading the charge on any type of treatment is hilarious.

Well first,my apologies for my snarky response to your honest answer. I've been trolling today with RG and Chump. Start self quarantine February and by the time I was over my suspicious illness the whole country was in lockdown. So I'm bored as fuck.

Trump and Dr. Fauci are in full agreement the parallel approach. Fauci has said this, which is no surprise considering Fauci has advocated for it since the HIV epidemec.

So what is the issue with Trump making sure that all Doctors are aware of the treatment and could use the treatment off label with informed conset?

What is the issue with Trump making every patient (who's paying attention) that this treatment is available through their doctor?

[ElNono]

That's literally cuz Trump

Well if you get a serious case of the Covid don't mention treatment with Hydroxychloroquine/Zithro or Remdesevir to your doctor. Hopefully they won't mention it either and it will be like Trump never talked about them at all.

Can't tell if serious or just trying to trigger lil libs. If serious, do you ask for medical advice to the guy at the deli in HEB?

[ElNono]

The red tape and "I'm not signing it" approach the government uses even during a crisis is why I never want them in charge of healthcare.

You mean that's preferable to selling snake oil or even worse, medication that can cause more damage without solving the problem in the first place? I'll take the red tape.

[ElNono]

They think this crisis makes a good case for all of healthcare to be run by a central govt bureaucracy

hell yeah, fortunately socialist states of america is covering all tests, hopefully treatments are next.

[Winehole23]

Federal aid for COVID-19 testing sites ends tomorrow.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/829955099/federal-support-for-coronavirus-testing-sites-end-as-peak-nears

[ElNono]

What is the issue with Trump making every patient (who's paying attention) that this treatment is available through their doctor?

I have a number of issues. First of all, he publicized a drug whose effectiveness to treat covid is still to be determined, but it's pretty important for other patients with other illnesses. The hoarding of the drug can be directly attributed to his pimping for it, and that has caused a measurable damage.

Second, the patient shouldn't be making any such decisions on their own. This is why a medical professional looks at your chart before writing prescriptions, check for drug interactions, etc. People with macular degeneration (more common in older folks) probably want to skip this thing, especially if asymptomatic.

But you don't get that info from the snake oil salesman... you get the "well, what do you have to lose?". That's why you don't ask for medical advise from the guy at the deli in HEB. You ask your wife (in your or my case) or a doctor, or somebody with medical training.

This whole thing turned into a political boiling pot where people apparently want it to work or not work coz they want to gotcha the other side, and it's people's health we're talking about here.

Rationally speaking, every time POTUS pimps drug X or treatment Y, we should all collectively roll our eyes and move on.

[Winehole23]

Do we do medical experiments on convicts?

https://news.yahoo.com/bureau-prisons-just-bought-60-161315844.html

[picnroll]

Prestigious scientific panel tells White House coronavirus won't go away with warmer weather

In their letter to the White House, members of a National Academy of Sciences committee said data is mixed on whether coronavirus spreads as easily in warm weather as it does in cold weather, but that it might not matter much given that so few people in the world are immune to coronavirus.

"There is some evidence to suggest that [coronavirus] may transmit less efficiently in environments with higher ambient temperature and humidity; however, given the lack of host immunity globally, this reduction in transmission efficiency may not lead to a significant reduction in disease spread without the concomitant adoption of major public health interventions," according to the letter.

The letter noted, for example, that a study of the outbreak in China showed that even under maximum temperature and humidity conditions, the virus spread "exponentially," with every infected person spreading it to nearly two other people on average.

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, who is not a member of the NAS committee, said, "Although we can hope weather will make some contribution to the reduction in transmission, we can't rely on it alone. We have to continue to employ social distancing and other measures to reduce transmission."

President Trump has said coronavirus will recede with warmer weather.

"A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April," he said on February 10 in remarks to the nation's governors.
Trump repeated the claim later that day at a political rally in New Hampshire.

"Looks like in April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away," he said.

He said it a third time that day on an appearance on Fox News.

"You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to," he said.

Schaffner, an adviser to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, noted that the NAS report gives "a more sobering assessment" of the situation than Trump did.

"The president walks on the sunny side of the street, and this takes us over to the shady side of the street," Schaffner said. "It makes us realize that springtime is likely not going to be a total solution."
The letter from the NAS scientists notes that some laboratory studies have shown reduced
transmission of the virus under warmer and more humid conditions, but that it's still a concern.
The letter describes how Chad Roy, a researcher at Tulane University, subjected the virus to hot and humid temperatures in the laboratory, and studied it for 16 hours.

Roy reports "surprisingly" that new coronavirus lived longer than flu, monkeypox, tuberculosis or the coronavirus that causes SARS, known as severe acute respiratory syndrome, according to the letter from the NAS's Standing Committee on Emerging Infectious Diseases and 21st Century Health Threats.

The scientists sent the letter to Kelvin Droegemeier at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

The letter points out that in the real world, the virus is still transmitting in countries with warm weather.

"Given that countries currently in 'summer' climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed," according to the letter.

The letter also notes that while flu typically is seasonal, that's not necessarily the case when there's a new strain of the flu and very few individuals have any immunity.

New strains of flu have broken out in warm and cold weather, and then there's been a second wave about six months later.

Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist, noted that while the coronaviruses that cause the common cold are seasonal, this new coronavirus is different because it originated in animals, not humans.

"It's unclear how this virus is going to act," said Offit, a professor of pediatrics at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

https://apple.news/ATAcFtqbjTb6OW6Yk8wCKgw

So much for another of professor Trumps proclimations.

[Winehole23]

The tale of the lack of widespread testing and lack of reporting on COVID-19 hospitalizations, is told in sickness and death. We're fighting COVID-19 somewhat in the dark because we don't know who has it or where it's breaking out.

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-still-dont-know-how-many-people-are-in-the-hospital-with-covid-19/amp

[slick'81]

The tale of the lack of widespread testing and lack of reporting on COVID-19 hospitalizations, is told in sickness and death. We're fighting COVID-19 somewhat in the dark because we don't know who has it or where it's breaking out.

https://www.propublica.org/article/we-still-dont-know-how-many-people-are-in-the-hospital-with-covid-19/amp


Weve known this,and it seems to only be getting worse in terms of testing

[picnroll]

Well first,my apologies for my snarky response to your honest answer. I've been trolling today with RG and Chump. Start self quarantine February and by the time I was over my suspicious illness the whole country was in lockdown. So I'm bored as fuck.

Trump and Dr. Fauci are in full agreement the parallel approach. Fauci has said this, which is no surprise considering Fauci has advocated for it since the HIV epidemec.

So what is the issue with Trump making sure that all Doctors are aware of the treatment and could use the treatment off label with informed conset?

What is the issue with Trump making every patient (who's paying attention) that this treatment is available through their doctor?
In one presser Trump even said he might even take it prophylaxictively. What do you think about him making that statement?

[Winehole23]

GET BACK TO WORK PLEBES, THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE


The New York Times ran an article on Monday based on interviews of medical experts on what needed to be in place to relax the lockdowns with reasonable safety. Its four requirements:

Hospitals in the state must be able to safely treat all patients requiring hospitalization, without resorting to crisis standards of care.

A state needs to be able to at least test everyone who has symptoms.

The state is able to conduct monitoring of confirmed cases and contacts.

There must be a sustained reduction in cases for at least 14 days.

Needless to say, the US is not even close to meeting these standards. From the close of the story:

Gregg Gonsalves, a professor of epidemiology and law at Yale, said: “I’d feel better if we had serological testing, and could preferentially allow those who are antibody positive and no longer infectious to return to work first. The point is, though, that we are nowhere even near accomplishing any of these criteria. Opening up before then will be met with a resurgence of the virus.”https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/04/martin-wolf-and-wishful-thinking-on-ending-coronavirus-lockdowns.html

[slick'81]

GET BACK TO WORK PLEBES, THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/04/martin-wolf-and-wishful-thinking-on-ending-coronavirus-lockdowns.html


We are soo fucked

[hater]

10% US unemployment

thisisfine.gif

[Winehole23]

COVID-19 may be much more infectious than previously thought

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/virus-may-spread-twice-as-fast-as-earlier-thought-study-says


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-08/virus-may-spread-twice-as-fast-as-earlier-thought-study-says

[hater]

I believe we will be like Spain and government will keep promising to open up every 2 weeks and it will go on for a while.

repeat we will not open anything up for at least 6 more weks

[picnroll]

We are soo fucked

We don’ t want no stinkin medical opinions. Team Trump

[Winehole23]

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?

https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/hydroxychloroquine.html

[boutons_deux]

at the expense of safety.

... at the expense of disease and death.

Profits over people, always. Criminal negligent manslaughter


"CDC guidelines in effect at the time that said health care professionals,

even after being exposed to a COVID-19 patient, could continue working"

Trash/Repug toadies at CDC hitting another home run.

[picnroll]

So Trash is up there at pressers, shaking hands, getting up close and personal with everyone, no mask. Meanwhile everyone who gets within a quarter mile of Trash has to be first first tested with Abbott’s rapid test kit. Another great message from our beloved leader.

[Winehole23]

Weve known this,and it seems to only be getting worse in terms of testingFederal assistance for testing stops tomorrow.

Undertesting has been the tacit US policy all along.

[boutons_deux]

Speed of coronavirus deaths shock doctors as New York toll hits new high

New York state, epicenter of America’s coronavirus crisis, set

another single-day record of COVID-19 deaths on Wednesday,

as veteran doctors and nurses voiced astonishment at the speed with which patients were deteriorating and dying.

authorities warned that the official death tally may understate the true number because it

omits those who have perished at home.

“This virus attacked the vulnerable and attacked the weak, and

it’s our job as a society to protect the vulnerable.”

(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/speed-of-coronavirus-deaths-shock-doctors-as-new-york-toll-hits-new-high-idUSKBN21Q204?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29)https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/speed-of-coronavirus-deaths-shock-doctors-as-new-york-toll-hits-new-high-idUSKBN21Q204?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29

"... a society to protect the vulnerable.”

:lol WTF that's not Darwinian-survival-of-the-greediest Capitalism

:lol WTF that's not America

[boutons_deux]

New York’s coronavirus crisis tracked back to European travel — not China

scientists have tracked the cases of coronavirus in New York back to travel from Europe (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html).

President Donald Trump has been celebrating his decision to shut down some travel from China, though not all travel.

A whopping 430,000 people have traveled from China (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html) to the United States since the coronavirus crisis.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/new-yorks-coronavirus-crisis-tracked-back-to-european-travel-not-china-scientists/

[Winehole23]

Weve known this,and it seems to only be getting worse in terms of testing
The crapification of testing may be related to the upcoming crapification of mitigation: declining rates of detection could be used to justify lifting social distancing guidelines. That would put Trumplandia on a collision course with states that decide not to lift the guidelines -- they'll be blamed for the economic damage caused by the fight against COVID-19.

[Monostradamus]

:lmao
https://twitter.com/KevinCate/status/1247943621506224135?s=20

[Thread]

The crapification of testing may be related to the upcoming crapification of mitigation: declining rates of detection could be used to justify lifting social distancing guidelines. That would put Trumplandia on a collision course with states that decide not to lift the guidelines -- they'll be blamed for the economic damage caused by the fight against COVID-19.

There has been nothing but crapification mitigation. We never closed down. We never stayed home. Home Depot is always jammed. Lowe's as well. Take out, drive thru's, voting booths, Mardi Gras, beaches still occupied.

We weren't gonna have it and we never will.

We never bit the booger, never took it on the chin. And all we had to do was take it on the chin for a month, 30 days. Nope. Wouldn't hear of it. No way.

[RandomGuy]

Death rate is higher riding in car


Not any more. Virus is now the leading cause of death in the US, surpassing heart disease and cancer.

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/

[RandomGuy]

New York’s coronavirus crisis tracked back to European travel — not China

scientists have tracked the cases of coronavirus in New York back to travel from Europe (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html).

President Donald Trump has been celebrating his decision to shut down some travel from China, though not all travel.

A whopping 430,000 people have traveled from China (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html) to the United States since the coronavirus crisis.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/new-yorks-coronavirus-crisis-tracked-back-to-european-travel-not-china-scientists/

yeah, it couldn't have possibly been spread around when they cooped everybody up in close proximity for HOURS testing people from Europe.

[ChumpDumper]

yeah, it couldn't have possibly been spread around when they cooped everybody up in close proximity for HOURS testing people from Europe.Hey, you're not worshiping Trump for his strong, powerful travel ban that saved billions. You're definitely not a real American.

[boutons_deux]

NY had 38% day-to-day jump in known deaths Wed 8 Apr

[CosmicCowboy]

Mailman just came. I got a bulk mail solicitation from "National Cremation Service". Damn, that's cold blooded.

[Thread]

NY had 38% day-to-day jump in known deaths Wed 8 Apr

You had hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers taking part in Chinese New Year.

& you thought you was gonna walk-a-way from that?

No. The ones who didn't go got it from the ones who did go. On & on.

[RandomGuy]

Hey, you're not worshiping Trump for his strong, powerful travel ban that saved billions. You're definitely not a real American.

It was the best, most powerful travel ban ever. Many people complimented it on how tremendous it was. No other travel ban in the history of travel bans was so tremendous.

[TimDunkem]

You had hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers taking part in Chinese New Year.

& you thought you was gonna walk-a-way from that?

No. The ones who didn't go got it from the ones who did go. On & on.

Then why are the least impacted group in NYC in terms of deaths Asians? I guess all those black people must have been celebrating the Chinese New Year with them.

[Spurs Homer]

1. You still don't understand exponential growth.

2. You don't understand what I said 1 week ago.

3. You don't understand that the rate I was talking about 1 week ago is slower than what is happening in reality.

4. You don't know how to interpret that model.

That's why its so hard to admit I'm wrong. Because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.


You don't know who the fuck you are talking to!

The guy - CALLED PIZZAGATE!!!!!




:dizzy

[RandomGuy]

You had hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers taking part in Chinese New Year.

& you thought you was gonna walk-a-way from that?

No. The ones who didn't go got it from the ones who did go. On & on.

Chinese new year was before the virus was widespread in either europe or the US.

Have another bite of that sandwich.

[RandomGuy]

1. You still don't understand exponential growth.

2. You don't understand what I said 1 week ago.

3. You don't understand that the rate I was talking about 1 week ago is slower than what is happening in reality.

4. You don't know how to interpret that model.

That's why its so hard to admit I'm wrong. Because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Dunning Kruger.

[TimDunkem]

Chinese new year was before the virus was widespread in either europe or the US.

Have another bite of that sandwich.

The old man is just waking up in between naps to scream unintelligibly everytime someone passes him by. Reminds me of passing mentally ill hobos in the subway back when I was in NYC.

[Thread]

Chinese new year was before the virus was widespread in either europe or the US.

Have another bite of that sandwich.

Oh, I get it, it was around and the old man ignored it to make a dollar & a cent. & it was around and hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers ignored it. But, only the old man will be held to accounts.

Caught ya, RG.

[DMC]

Ok, lets look at private vs public testing. Y'all know every other nation that is above us in per capita testing has nationalized healthcare? The fact that private labs here are only now doing a decent job at the DIRECTION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT sure isn't making the point you guys think it is. You realize that US health lags a lot of countries with nationalized health care?

Not really sure why y'all are smug on this end but whats new?

If we spend half our income on the health of others, sure... we could climb the ranking ladder. That's not my concern. We have our government - not theirs. Do you think you can magically transplant their entire culture and customs/history into the US and it will just morph on its own? People will suddenly move out of their 5k sqft homes into 800sqft pads and ride bicycles?

My concern isn't how their government could run our healthcare, but how ours could.

[DMC]

Mailman just came. I got a bulk mail solicitation from "National Cremation Service". Damn, that's cold blooded.

They are offering to warm it up.

[RandomGuy]

The old man is just waking up in between naps to scream unintelligibly everytime someone passes him by. Reminds me of passing mentally ill hobos in the subway back when I was in NYC.

Pretty much. An old man screaming out his window at the kids to get off his lawn is kinda what I picture mentally.

[DMC]

You mean that's preferable to selling snake oil or even worse, medication that can cause more damage without solving the problem in the first place? I'll take the red tape.

If the choices were that bifurcated sure, but they never are.

[TimDunkem]

Sweden's new cases and death rates continue their steady rise. So much for the laissez-faire approach.

[Thread]

Then why are the least impacted group in NYC in terms of deaths Asians? I guess all those black people must have been celebrating the Chinese New Year with them.

You missed this part::: [[[The ones who didn't go got it from the ones who did go. On & on.]]]

You know how (they've) rammed it down our throats that the young don't die, but, transfer it to others who will.

But, let us face it, TD, they ain't cast down the Chinese for Chinese New Year. & they ain't gonna cast down the Mardi Gras'ers. Too many blacks amongst them.

But, the church goers? Oh, daddy, they're gonna go after them like the last pork chop on the plate.

[DMC]

I have a number of issues. First of all, he publicized a drug whose effectiveness to treat covid is still to be determined, but it's pretty important for other patients with other illnesses. The hoarding of the drug can be directly attributed to his pimping for it, and that has caused a measurable damage.

Second, the patient shouldn't be making any such decisions on their own. This is why a medical professional looks at your chart before writing prescriptions, check for drug interactions, etc. People with macular degeneration (more common in older folks) probably want to skip this thing, especially if asymptomatic.

But you don't get that info from the snake oil salesman... you get the "well, what do you have to lose?". That's why you don't ask for medical advise from the guy at the deli in HEB. You ask your wife (in your or my case) or a doctor, or somebody with medical training.

This whole thing turned into a political boiling pot where people apparently want it to work or not work coz they want to gotcha the other side, and it's people's health we're talking about here.

Rationally speaking, every time POTUS pimps drug X or treatment Y, we should all collectively roll our eyes and move on.

It requires a prescription. If doctors are prescribing it more because of what Trump said, they are suspect already. Patients may ask for it but that should not cause a run on it.

[hater]

Sweden's new cases and death rates continue their steady rise. So much for the laissez-faire approach.

yup called it

The Pandemic World cup leaders so far:
Australia
Norway (swedens neighbor)
and a newcomer, New Zealand (they have an advantage being 2 islands and sparse population but they shut it down good, even had a hotline to rat on neighbors violating quarantine :lol)

[hater]

^ all have socialized medicine btw :D

[TimDunkem]

You missed this part::: [[[The ones who didn't go got it from the ones who did go. On & on.]]]

You know how (they've) rammed it down our throats that the young don't die, but, transfer it to others who will.

But, let us face it, TD, they ain't cast down the Chinese for Chinese New Year. & they ain't gonna cast down the Mardi Gras'ers. Too many blacks amongst them.

But, the church goers? Oh, daddy, they're gonna go after them like the last pork chop on the plate.

Brah, they literally spent all of last week lambasting Mardi Gras'ers. You think you would've noticed considering your newfound CNN fandom. The stories must've ran during your naps, I guess.

[DMC]

Prestigious scientific panel tells White House coronavirus won't go away with warmer weather

In their letter to the White House, members of a National Academy of Sciences committee said data is mixed on whether coronavirus spreads as easily in warm weather as it does in cold weather, but that it might not matter much given that so few people in the world are immune to coronavirus.

"There is some evidence to suggest that [coronavirus] may transmit less efficiently in environments with higher ambient temperature and humidity; however, given the lack of host immunity globally, this reduction in transmission efficiency may not lead to a significant reduction in disease spread without the concomitant adoption of major public health interventions," according to the letter.

The letter noted, for example, that a study of the outbreak in China showed that even under maximum temperature and humidity conditions, the virus spread "exponentially," with every infected person spreading it to nearly two other people on average.

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, who is not a member of the NAS committee, said, "Although we can hope weather will make some contribution to the reduction in transmission, we can't rely on it alone. We have to continue to employ social distancing and other measures to reduce transmission."

President Trump has said coronavirus will recede with warmer weather.

"A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April," he said on February 10 in remarks to the nation's governors.
Trump repeated the claim later that day at a political rally in New Hampshire.

"Looks like in April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away," he said.

He said it a third time that day on an appearance on Fox News.

"You know in April, supposedly, it dies with the hotter weather. And that's a beautiful date to look forward to," he said.

Schaffner, an adviser to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, noted that the NAS report gives "a more sobering assessment" of the situation than Trump did.

"The president walks on the sunny side of the street, and this takes us over to the shady side of the street," Schaffner said. "It makes us realize that springtime is likely not going to be a total solution."
The letter from the NAS scientists notes that some laboratory studies have shown reduced
transmission of the virus under warmer and more humid conditions, but that it's still a concern.
The letter describes how Chad Roy, a researcher at Tulane University, subjected the virus to hot and humid temperatures in the laboratory, and studied it for 16 hours.

Roy reports "surprisingly" that new coronavirus lived longer than flu, monkeypox, tuberculosis or the coronavirus that causes SARS, known as severe acute respiratory syndrome, according to the letter from the NAS's Standing Committee on Emerging Infectious Diseases and 21st Century Health Threats.

The scientists sent the letter to Kelvin Droegemeier at the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.

The letter points out that in the real world, the virus is still transmitting in countries with warm weather.

"Given that countries currently in 'summer' climates, such as Australia and Iran, are experiencing rapid virus spread, a decrease in cases with increases in humidity and temperature elsewhere should not be assumed," according to the letter.

The letter also notes that while flu typically is seasonal, that's not necessarily the case when there's a new strain of the flu and very few individuals have any immunity.

New strains of flu have broken out in warm and cold weather, and then there's been a second wave about six months later.

Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist, noted that while the coronaviruses that cause the common cold are seasonal, this new coronavirus is different because it originated in animals, not humans.

"It's unclear how this virus is going to act," said Offit, a professor of pediatrics at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia

https://apple.news/ATAcFtqbjTb6OW6Yk8wCKgw

So much for another of professor Trumps proclimations.
Stopped reading at "prestigious"

No need to sweeten the well from the first sentence.

[TSA]

1. You still don't understand exponential growth.

2. You don't understand what I said 1 week ago.

3. You don't understand that the rate I was talking about 1 week ago is slower than what is happening in reality.

4. You don't know how to interpret that model.

That's why its so hard to admit I'm wrong. Because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.


We have about 2.5k deaths right now. Assuming a slow 4 day doubling time for deaths (I think it'll be faster), in ~3 weeks we hit 150k dead.


60,415

[ChumpDumper]

Spiking the football on 60,000 bodies. What is wrong with you?

[Thread]

Spiking the football on 60,000 bodies. What is wrong with you?

Fauci and the woman set it up at 240k.

[ChumpDumper]

Fauci and the woman set it up at 240k.And? Projections are projections.

[TimDunkem]

Most conservative of estimates says 60000+ will die over the course of 5 months.

*spikes football*

[TimDunkem]

Fauci and the woman set it up at 240k.

You know the number will probably be somewhere near thr middle right? White House likes to use the lower estimates so they can tell the states everything is A-OK and that they don't need the equipment they're asking for.

[picnroll]

Mailman just came. I got a bulk mail solicitation from "National Cremation Service". Damn, that's cold blooded.

Does that come with a header “President Trumps COVID-19 Guidelines”?

[Thread]

And? Projections are projections.

I'm just marking the spot. We started with those two and we're finishing with 'em.

And that's just the way it's gonna be.

[Thread]

You know the number will probably be somewhere near thr middle right? White House likes to use the lower estimates so they can tell the states everything is A-OK and that they don't need the equipment they're asking for.

& they indeed don't need it. Cuomo is sending his shit on down the road. California is sending their shit out, Washington as well. The old man tried to tell them, but, they was beating that political drum and couldn't stop. We're gonna have Vents comin' out of our fuckin' ears by June. Beds too. Javitts has 2000 empty beds. Central Park is tearing down and bringing out the stash of LOST & FOUND Frisbees.

& the kicker, the livin' end? Doctors are now putting away their Vents and trying other methods. Yeah, imagine that.

[TimDunkem]

5 employees at 5 different HEBs across SA have coronavirus. NOW they want to give them gloves and masks. :lol

[Thread]

5 employees at 5 different HEBs across SA have coronavirus. NOW they want to give them gloves and masks. :lol

Nobody wants to give up those goodies, that supermarket, that time-and-a-half, that double time.

Nevertheless, better stock up people! tee, hee.

[SnakeBoy]

In one presser Trump even said he might even take it prophylaxictively. What do you think about him making that statement?

If he and his Doctor decide to do that then that's fine. Many healthcare workers are doing the same.

[boutons_deux]

5 employees at 5 different HEBs across SA have coronavirus. NOW they want to give them gloves and masks. :lol

no masks on employees at Costco/Selma

[picnroll]

If he and his Doctor decide to do that then that's fine. Many healthcare workers are doing the same.

Sure makes a world of sense. So if you actually believe it works there’ll be none available when someone actually gets sick. Perfect Trumpesque logic. How about everybody take chemotherapy just in case they get cancer. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

If possible, looks like folks in Texas should be stocked up and avoid going into shops the next couple weeks.

[TimDunkem]

Cases and deaths in Italy are rising again for the 2nd straight day.

[boutons_deux]

If possible, looks like folks in Texas should be stocked up and avoid going into shops the next couple weeks.

yep, HEB, Walmart, Costco do not appear depleted

However, I cannot find 70% isopropyl alcohol or H2O2 at 2 HEB, Walmart, Walgreens

[hater]

RIP brazil

https://twitter.com/folha_english/status/1248295125257719808?s=21

hopefully military executes Bolsonaro when its all said and done

[TimDunkem]

Deaths down slightly in NJ, but cases are still rising. Same for Louisiana where it's almost doubled from yesterday's count.

[SnakeBoy]

Sure makes a world of sense. So if you actually believe it works there’ll be none available when someone actually gets sick. Perfect Trumpesque logic. How about everybody take chemotherapy just in case they get cancer. :lol

We should manufacture more

Oh wait

[Thread]

Deaths down slightly in NJ, but cases are still rising. Same for Louisiana where it's almost doubled from yesterday's count.

...Mardi Gras.

"Don't do that."

They did it anyway.

"Shouldn't a done that, but, you did and it's over. It'll be alright, just don't do it again."

My ass. Classic case of Coronavirus & it's boundless spread.

[boutons_deux]

Bill O'Reilly to Hannity:

Many coronavirus victims 'were on their last legs anyway'

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/8/1935714/-Bill-O-Reilly-Many-coronavirus-victims-were-on-their-last-legs-anyway?detail=emaildkre

[Nathan89]

^ all have socialized medicine btw :D

So do all the failed countries in Europe.

[hater]

So do all the failed countries in Europe.

sure but show me ONE non socialized medicine country that seems to be beating corona?