Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[SnakeBoy]

lol That's a lot of flailing from the China stans

[koriwhat]

I mean, to be clear, you were all pussies for worrying about COVID affecting you or your loved ones, but I'm now going to spend hours a day reading about where the virus began and who was responsible so I can rage for their justice.

You got the jab... :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

I thought XI was doing a great job on COVID tho

You were convinced we could make the virus go away if we just tried hard enough

WHatAbOuT polio and smallpox brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[ChumpDumper]

lol That's a lot of flailing from the China stans

Is COVID a big deal to you or not?

Pick a lane.

[Adam Lambert]

You got the jab... :lmao

That's right, I'm a patriot and I care about doing my part to protect other Americans. I also benefitted from lighter symptoms and a shorter case when I did get COVID.

You're afraid of a shot. Millions of children are braver than you are. That's not really something to be proud of, baby.

[SnakeBoy]

Is COVID a big deal to you or not?

Pick a lane.

It's over Chump. Everyone got infected. Try to get grip and accept reality.

[DarrinS]

That's right, I'm a patriot and I care about doing my part to protect other Americans.

Your vaccination didn't protect others.

[Adam Lambert]

Your vaccination didn't protect others.

At your age, and having lived in a time of flu vaccines, smallpox vaccines, and other common vaccines, how do you still not understand how vaccines work?

You're lost.

[ChumpDumper]

It's over Chump. Everyone got infected. Try to get grip and accept reality.

So it's not a big deal to you?

Why are you still posting about it then?

[ChumpDumper]

Your vaccination didn't protect others.

Typhoid Darrin trying to justify his nihilism.

[ChumpDumper]

At your age, and having lived in a time of flu vaccines, smallpox vaccines, and other common vaccines, how do you still not understand how vaccines work?

You're lost.

I have no idea why Snacks and Karrin are still so angry about literally everything.

[Adam Lambert]

I have no idea why Snacks and Karrin are still so angry about literally everything.

Sexual deprivation is my guess.

[DarrinS]

At your age, and having lived in a time of flu vaccines, smallpox vaccines, and other common vaccines, how do you still not understand how vaccines work?

You're lost.


Some vaccines produce sterilizing immunity. The vaccines for covid do not.

You're lost. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Some vaccines produce sterilizing immunity. The vaccines for covid do not.

You're lost. :lol

:lol looks like you're lost tbh

[Adam Lambert]

Some vaccines produce sterilizing immunity. The vaccines for covid do not.

You're lost. :lol

No one said anything about sterilization. You're thinking of your balls.

[Adam Lambert]

Darrin's such an insecure vaccinated conservative, he'd rather argue with someone who also got the vaccine over his motivations for getting it, than to argue with a fellow conservative who thinks people who got vaccinated are pussies.

You guys take your ideological identity and your online troll cred way too seriously.

[koriwhat]

That's right, I'm a patriot and I care about doing my part to protect other Americans. I also benefitted from lighter symptoms and a shorter case when I did get COVID.

You're afraid of a shot. Millions of children are braver than you are. That's not really something to be proud of, baby.

LOL Afraid of the shot... Sure bud keep pretending I give a fuck either way. I can't wait until you get myocarditis.

"Lighter symptoms" but weren't you sold the lie initially of never being able to contract Covid again or transmit. :lol

You pussies are all the same limp wrist retarded "males".

[DarrinS]

China needs to be held accountable

[Ef-man]

China needs to be held accountable

Yam Tits did shit about it except praise Xi, and now you want Biden to fix it, go figure.

[DarrinS]

Yam Tits did shit about it except praise Xi, and now you want Biden to fix it, go figure.

I don't expect Biden to fix anything. Lol, "yam tits". So mature and serious.

[Ef-man]

I don't expect Biden to fix anything. Lol, "yam tits". So mature and serious.

So it is not urgent after all, ok.

I never said I was mature and serious, so, ok too.

[ChumpDumper]

China needs to be held accountable

What do you expect your Trump to do about it when you vote for him again?

Take another $5 million from China?

[Winehole23]

China needs to be held accountablefor what, giving you a disease no worse than a cold?

COVID is over, get a life.

[TSA]

https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/8bc5ad4f80c817258cf9043eb7baba8b.jpg

[DarrinS]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/03900e2841d29b27ea5d4fb0826d7a34/tenor.gif

[Adam Lambert]

That doesn't even make sense when you're the one who's bitching.

[Adam Lambert]

I got the COVID vaccine before I knew it was going to be a partisan issue and that the conservative side would be against getting them
https://media1.tenor.com/images/03900e2841d29b27ea5d4fb0826d7a34/tenor.gif

That's how you do it. The right can't meme.

[ElNono]

1630929316841136129


1630933667110432768

who?

[ElNono]

You were convinced we could make the virus go away if we just tried hard enough

WHatAbOuT polio and smallpox brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

We did, COVID vaccines and paxlovid work. Just like the polio and smallpox vaccines work.

No comment about XI doing a great job on COVID? I noticed you skipped commenting on that entirely... rofl

[Winehole23]

SARS2 infects retinal cells


Interestingly, many of the retinal symptoms associated with Covid-19 are related to retinal ganglion cells, but these have previously been associated predominantly with secondary effects of other Sars-CoV-2-induced disease symptoms, such as damage to blood vessels or an increase in eye pressure. "However, our current retina-organoid study shows that infection with Sars-CoV-2 can have direct pathological consequences for retinal ganglion cells, even though visual impairment is not common in patients with Covid-19," said Thomas Rauen. "But our data give us reason to believe that so-called long-Covid symptoms may include degenerative retinal disease."https://www.mpg.de/18453648/0322-vasb-there-is-more-to-sars-cov-2-than-meets-the-eye-154090-x

[pgardn]

China has absolutely been withholding information.

But...
This lab leak stuff is implying that China released a strain of virus of their MAKING?
There is a huge difference between knowing the virus was cultivated in a lab like goes on with any lab studying the Corona viruses, and actually MAKING (synthesizing the viral RNA) the virus.
Having an animal origin and then being cultivated in large amounts within a lab is very different.

Saying the outbreak has not been traced back to an animal origin has to be understood correctly. Please find a paper that says the corona virus RNA had to be CREATED in a lab. Please post it. I need to be informed on this. Because it should be damn easy to tell by the sequence if it had a lab make it.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1630764813520453635

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1630764819480494084

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1630764824559857665

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1630764831459475456

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1630764837700550656

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1630764845841756165

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1630764852464562176

[TSA]

China has absolutely been withholding information.

But...
This lab leak stuff is implying that China released a strain of virus of their MAKING?
There is a huge difference between knowing the virus was cultivated in a lab like goes on with any lab studying the Corona viruses, and actually MAKING (synthesizing the viral RNA) the virus.
Having an animal origin and then being cultivated in large amounts within a lab is very different.

Saying the outbreak has not been traced back to an animal origin has to be understood correctly. Please find a paper that says the corona virus RNA had to be CREATED in a lab. Please post it. I need to be informed on this. Because it should be damn easy to tell by the sequence if it had a lab make it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350709266_The_Origin_of_the_Coronavirus_Pandemic

[ElNono]

even though, if not connected to origin, they most easily could clear their name though cooperation with investigation.

So, it's still CoNnEcTiNg Da DoTs... :tu

[boutons_deux]

...

[boutons_deux]

"Abaluck, Jimenez, and other like-minded researchers have an extensive list of

grievances with the Cochrane paper.

One criticism is that some of the

most convincing evidence for masks

from laboratory and real-world studies was

left out of the review.

The best reasons to believe that masks “make a difference” as a product, Jimenez said, are that

(1) COVID is an airborne disease that spreads through aerosolized droplets, and

(2) lab experiments find that high-quality face masks block more than 90 percent of aerosolized spray.

Meanwhile, observational studies during the pandemic did find that masking had a positive effect.

For example, a 2020 study (https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2015954117) comparing the timing of new mask mandates across

Germany found that face masks reduced the spread of infection by about half."

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/03/covid-lab-leak-mask-mandates-science-media-information/673263/

[SnakeBoy]

We did, COVID vaccines and paxlovid work. Just like the polio and smallpox vaccines work.

No comment about XI doing a great job on COVID? I noticed you skipped commenting on that entirely... rofl

lol are you trying to flip the script or something China stan? I said since March 2020 everybody gets infected, repeatedly. All I said about China was if you wanted to stop transmission the only thing that would work was a complete China style lockdown. Never was I for it, I wanted Ole Joe to let er rip and he did.

You wanted ineffective restrictions, mandates, vaccine passports and bragged you wouldn't get infected. Yet here you are quintuple vaxxed, infected, addicted to paxlovid cuz muh high cholesterol, and looking forward to another booster as if that's going to do anything.

[ChumpDumper]

lol are you trying to flip the script or something China stan? I said since March 2020 everybody gets infected, repeatedly. All I said about China was if you wanted to stop transmission the only thing that would work was a complete China style lockdown. Never was I for it, I wanted Ole Joe to let er rip and he did.

You wanted ineffective restrictions, mandates, vaccine passports and bragged you wouldn't get infected. Yet here you are quintuple vaxxed, infected, addicted to paxlovid cuz muh high cholesterol, and looking forward to another booster as if that's going to do anything.

Why are you so angry?

[Winehole23]

Probably hates to be confused with someone who cares. Lazy nihilism is a iron law with these jokers.

[Winehole23]

1631103947212734464

[pgardn]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350709266_The_Origin_of_the_Coronavirus_Pandemic

Thanks

Ill take this over your sources.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184

Does not rule out basically means they have never seen a lab that would think of doing anything like nature actually did.
So it does not rule out a lab manipulation. This is BS. They will find a natural origin just like they do with any other bug that could spread this fast naturally.
Nature almost always does a weirdly sequenced genetic footprint that humans would never think of.

Would you like a bet when we know for sure? That involves you or me leaving the board? And I will leave if wrong on this. China DID NOT produce this genetic sequence that may or may not have leaked out of the lab. NO WAY.

This basically says that while culturing mutations might have taken place, NOT Chinese putting in RNA of their choice to make this virus.

In theory, it is possible that SARS-CoV-2 acquired RBD mutations (Fig. 1a (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#Fig1)) during adaptation to passage in cell culture, as has been observed in studies of SARS-CoV11 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9#ref-CR11). The finding of SARS-CoV-like coronaviruses from pangolins with nearly identical RBDs, however, provides a much stronger and more parsimonious explanation of how SARS-CoV-2 acquired these via recombination or mutation

Also links to bats and other animals that are much hundreds of times more probable. There are many comprehensive articles that have looked at all the studies so far that say no way to what you are suggesting. Hell, you might not know what you are actually suggesting.

[pgardn]

BTW

It behooves the Chinese to be unhelpful in helping us figure out spread and origins. People like TSA will think the Chinese have bioweapon capabilites they do not have. The Russians also realized throwing out planet pizza stuff to American conspiracy tards goes a long way.

Also there is competition red v blue team who can be the most anti Chinese right now, it’s popular.
So these stupid claims about the Chinese actually producing via gene manipulation is stated very clearly as, in very small letters, very low confidence.

ie it’s bullshit, but in vogue for dupes like TSA.

[TSA]

Thanks

Ill take this over your sources.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184



Your source is saying the same thing as my source dumbfuck. :lol

Your source: The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak
The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

My source: The genome of SARS-COV-2 contains a peculiar pattern of unique restriction endonuclease recognition sites allowing efficient dis- and re-assembly of the viral genome characteristic of synthetic viruses. Here, we report the likelihood of observing such a pattern in coronaviruses with no history of bioengineering. We find that SARS-CoV-2 is an anomaly, more likely a product of synthetic genome assembly than natural evolution. The restriction map of SARS-CoV-2 is consistent with many previously reported synthetic coronavirus genomes, meets all the criteria required for an efficient reverse genetic system, differs from closest relatives by a significantly higher rate of synonymous mutations in these synthetic-looking recognitions sites, and has a synthetic fingerprint unlikely to have evolved from its close relatives. We report a high likelihood that SARS-CoV-2 may have originated as an infectious clone assembled in vitro.


I’ll accept whatever bet you’d like. Lab leak, you’re gone. Natural origin, I’m gone.

[ChumpDumper]

What are you tough guys gonna do to China?

[pgardn]

Your source is saying the same thing as my source dumbfuck. :lol

Your source: The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak
The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

My source: The genome of SARS-COV-2 contains a peculiar pattern of unique restriction endonuclease recognition sites allowing efficient dis- and re-assembly of the viral genome characteristic of synthetic viruses. Here, we report the likelihood of observing such a pattern in coronaviruses with no history of bioengineering. We find that SARS-CoV-2 is an anomaly, more likely a product of synthetic genome assembly than natural evolution. The restriction map of SARS-CoV-2 is consistent with many previously reported synthetic coronavirus genomes, meets all the criteria required for an efficient reverse genetic system, differs from closest relatives by a significantly higher rate of synonymous mutations in these synthetic-looking recognitions sites, and has a synthetic fingerprint unlikely to have evolved from its close relatives. We report a high likelihood that SARS-CoV-2 may have originated as an infectious clone assembled in vitro.


I’ll accept whatever bet you’d like. Lab leak, you’re gone. Natural origin, I’m gone.

You are such a dork.
The virus could have been leaked OUT of a lab and STILL have a natural origin!
How do you think the virus was accurately sequenced and studied in the first place you idiot? You have to grow the virus in a lab.
The virus was not, I repeat NOT, purposely genetically altered in a lab and set upon the world by China

So you are gone already because you dont know what the fk you are talking
Read what I wrote again you dumb fk.

[DarrinS]

The virus could have been leaked OUT of a lab and STILL have a natural origin!


:lol

[Winehole23]

.jpgyou're marginally more entertaining when you use your own words, FWIW.

[pgardn]

:lol

Another dork that does not get it.
I did not realize it was this sophisticated.
apologies for not knowing my audience.

Do you realize you have to replicate the actual “natural” virus in a lab to study it effectively. You have to CULTURE it. In a lab using cells.
And that a viral sequence altered purposely thereby changing the natural viral genome making a bio weapon done by the Chinese in a lab is a COMPLETELY different accusation?

[pgardn]

BTW

It behooves the Chinese to be unhelpful in helping us figure out spread and origins. People like TSA will think the Chinese have bioweapon capabilites they do not have. The Russians also realized throwing out planet pizza stuff to American conspiracy tards goes a long way.

Also there is competition red v blue team who can be the most anti Chinese right now, it’s popular.
So these stupid claims about the Chinese actually producing via gene manipulation is stated very clearly as, in very small letters, very low confidence.

ie it’s bullshit, but in vogue for dupes like TSA.







Underlined.

[DarrinS]

Another dork that does not get it.
I did not realize it was this sophisticated.
apologies for not knowing my audience.

Do you realize you have to replicate the actual “natural” virus in a lab to study it effectively. You have to CULTURE it. In a lab using cells.
And that a viral sequence altered purposely thereby changing the natural viral genome making a bio weapon done by the Chinese in a lab is a COMPLETELY different accusation?


Once altered, its no longer "natural". Why do you keep bringing up "bio weapon"? Gain of function research isn't necessarily for military purposes.

[ChumpDumper]

Republicans will just end up murdering more Asian Americans.

Good job, Darrin, TSA, Snacks.

[pgardn]

Once altered, its no longer "natural". Why do you keep bringing up "bio weapon"? Gain of function research isn't necessarily for military purposes.

Because this is what the red team actually tries to push.

Read my very first statement again.

[pgardn]

China has absolutely been withholding information.

But...
This lab leak stuff is implying that China released a strain of virus of their MAKING?
There is a huge difference between knowing the virus was cultivated in a lab like goes on with any lab studying the Corona viruses, and actually MAKING (synthesizing the viral RNA) the virus.
Having an animal origin and then being cultivated in large amounts within a lab is very different.

Saying the outbreak has not been traced back to an animal origin has to be understood correctly. Please find a paper that says the corona virus RNA had to be CREATED in a lab. Please post it. I need to be informed on this. Because it should be damn easy to tell by the sequence if it had a lab make it.

People think this means altered specifically by adding RNA sequences intended to produce a deadly virus. The RNA sequences say this did NOT happen.
Read on. The back and forth. I specifically stated this and this is what your brethren push.

[pgardn]

Once altered, its no longer "natural". Why do you keep bringing up "bio weapon"? Gain of function research isn't necessarily for military purposes.

Altered by what?
The current viruses are altered by random mutations.
They are NOT the same as the original(s).
So the different forms of the virus we see now are NOT natural?

[pgardn]

Republicans will just end up murdering more Asian Americans.

Good job, Darrin, TSA, Snacks.

I dont get the hands off on Russia and the Chinese are the real bad guys.
Its like Putin actively helping Trump in the US to get him elected gives Russia a pass.
Ukraine is just not important apparently. And I definitely think the Chinese need to come clean on their labs and lab work.
We still need info on the virus. There is a lot to learn with their help.
I dont know enough on the diplomacy that goes with the virus issue. They should be helping the world to understand the virus.
I guess with other issues going sour they just play keep away. Or maybe we are pushing the issue of YOU made this thing and set it loose...
We had very good cooperation with their scientists very early in this thing as we were sponsoring a lab working with the virus.

[ElNono]

lol are you trying to flip the script or something China stan? I said since March 2020 everybody gets infected, repeatedly. All I said about China was if you wanted to stop transmission the only thing that would work was a complete China style lockdown. Never was I for it, I wanted Ole Joe to let er rip and he did.

You wanted ineffective restrictions, mandates, vaccine passports and bragged you wouldn't get infected. Yet here you are quintuple vaxxed, infected, addicted to paxlovid cuz muh high cholesterol, and looking forward to another booster as if that's going to do anything.

lol trying to move the goalposts... why don't you link all those things you claimed I said? You won't find them.

What I mentioned back then, when we didn't have neither a working vaccine nor a working treatment is that all those things were absolutely valid ways to reduce spread, and factually, they were and saved millions of lives. I know plenty of people that still never got COVID as well, though it wouldn't matter as much now that we have effective vaccines and treatments.

And you jumped into your soapboax replying to a post about 'XI doing a great job on COVID'. Do you need me to quote it? Damn, Joe did a number on you. :lol

[pgardn]

lol trying to move the goalposts... why don't you link all those things you claimed I said? You won't find them.

What I mentioned back then, when we didn't have neither a working vaccine nor a working treatment is that all those things were absolutely valid ways to reduce spread, and factually, they were and saved millions of lives. I know plenty of people that still never got COVID as well, though it wouldn't matter as much now that we have effective vaccines and treatments.

And you jumped into your soapboax replying to a post about 'XI doing a great job on COVID'. Do you need me to quote it? Damn, Joe did a number on you. :lol

This is the favorite ploy of the red team.
Make sure to use anachronistic maneuvers to basically lie.

[Winehole23]

The correlation of COVID infection with post infection heart attacks, strokes and blood clots has been multiply replicated, controlling for vaccination.

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/heart-attacks-and-strokes-late-after

[TSA]

Altered by what?
The current viruses are altered by random mutations.
They are NOT the same as the original(s).
So the different forms of the virus we see now are NOT natural?



The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

:lol stupid fuck

[ChumpDumper]

Isn't that just the definition of a novel coronavirus?

[pgardn]

:lol stupid fuck

But is nothing like what a molecular biologist would insert you fkn idiot.

And yes novel does not mean made by humans.
It got this coronavirus put in a different category. Yet it is still a CORONAVIRUS because of its SIMILAR genetic sequence. This happens all the time NATURALLY VIA MUTATIONS, even with things like insects and even mammals. This is part of how we make family trees now, genetic sequences. Look for similarities with differences. Again. Where is the evidence that Chinese scientist inserted new RNA sequences to make this virus so nasty? Thats what your red team is implying planet pizza boy. Its the same shit over and over with your kind.

In theory the Chinese just should have started from scratch and invent an entirely new working virulent viral RNA sequence. Poof, a brand new virus. "out of nowhere" but clearly with human known features that make genes work.

[TSA]

This happens all the time NATURALLY VIA MUTATIONS


The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

:lol stupid fuck

[pgardn]

:lol stupid fuck

Which is why it was labeled NOVEL.
Mutations are considered a Natural process of creating genetic diversity. This is at the very heart of the whole theory of evolution. This is how genetic VARIATION is created in every organism on the face of the earth and then a population of genetic diversity is Naturally selected. This is the base of the whole theory of replication and evolution. If every population of organisms had exactly the same genetic program then natural selection would have no variation to work on. These authors are not considering it Novel because it was genetically engineered by humans. And if an author is, like you, you will make a huge splash in molecular evolution. Maybe you can even use this as evidence for a creator.

Maybe they should have use the word standard instead of natural. But you still would not get it.

Why do you keep insisting on arguing something in which you know little about?
You are completely ignoring the idea of random mutations vs. genetic engineering by humans (which your group is purposely making you believe by mixing it with lab culturing of viruses.)

You are getting in water way too deep for your knowledge. Stick to what you do... No dont do that either.

btw I must thank you because now I understand more about the deep misunderstandings of red team conspiratards.

[TSA]

Which is why it was labeled NOVEL.
Mutations are considered a Natural process of creating genetic diversity. This is at the very heart of the whole theory of evolution. This is how genetic VARIATION is created in every organism on the face of the earth and then a population of genetic diversity is Naturally selected. This is the base of the whole theory of replication and evolution. If every population of organisms had exactly the same genetic program then natural selection would have no variation to work on. These authors are not considering it Novel because it was genetically engineered by humans. And if an author is, like you, you will make a huge splash in molecular evolution. Maybe you can even use this as evidence for a creator.

Maybe they should have use the word standard instead of natural. But you still would not get it.

Why do you keep insisting on arguing something in which you know little about?
You are completely ignoring the idea of random mutations vs. genetic engineering by humans (which your group is purposely making you believe by mixing it with lab culturing of viruses.)

You are getting in water way too deep for your knowledge. Stick to what you do... No dont do that either.

btw I must thank you because now I understand more about the deep misunderstandings of red team conspiratards.We here describe how the two main SARS‐CoV‐2 features, (1) the presence of a furin cleavage site missing in other CoVs of the same group and (2) an receptor binding domain (RBD) optimized to bind to human cells[ 2 ] might be the result of lab manipulation techniques such as site‐directed mutagenesis. The acquisition of both unique features by SARS‐CoV‐2 more or less simultaneously is less likely to be natural or caused only by cell/animal serial passage.

Before the SARS‐CoV‐2 outbreak, pangolins were the only mammals other than bats documented to carry and be infected by SARS‐CoV‐2 related CoV.[ 12 ] Recombination events between the RBD of CoV from pangolins and RaTG13‐like backbone could have produced SARS‐CoV‐2 as chimeric strain. For such recombination to occur naturally, the two viruses must have infected the same cell in the same organism simultaneously, a rather improbable event considering the low population density of pangolins and the scarce presence of CoVs in their natural populations.x Moreover, receptor binding studies of reconstituted RaTG13 showed that it does not bind to pangolin ACE2.xi

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/


We found that SARS-CoV has the restriction site fingerprint that is typical for synthetic viruses. The synthetic fingerprint of SARS-CoV-2 is anomalous in wild coronaviruses, and common in lab-assembled viruses. The type of mutations (synonymous or silent mutations) that differentiate the restriction sites in SARS-CoV-2 are characteristic of engineering, and the concentration of these silent mutations in the restriction sites is extremely unlikely to have arisen by random evolution. Both the restriction site fingerprint and the pattern of mutations generating them are extremely unlikely in wild coronaviruses and nearly universal in synthetic viruses. Our findings strongly suggest a synthetic origin of SARS-CoV2.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1

[Ef-man]

Big caveat from the article

*bioRxiv posts many COVID19-related papers. A reminder: they have not been formally peer-reviewed and should not guide health-related behavior or be reported in the press as conclusive.

[pgardn]

We found that SARS-CoV has the restriction site fingerprint that is typical for synthetic viruses. The synthetic fingerprint of SARS-CoV-2 is anomalous in wild coronaviruses, and common in lab-assembled viruses. The type of mutations (synonymous or silent mutations) that differentiate the restriction sites in SARS-CoV-2 are characteristic of engineering, and the concentration of these silent mutations in the restriction sites is extremely unlikely to have arisen by random evolution. Both the restriction site fingerprint and the pattern of mutations generating them are extremely unlikely in wild coronaviruses and nearly universal in synthetic viruses. Our findings strongly suggest a synthetic origin of SARS-CoV2.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...10.18.512756v1 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1)


Calling bull shit.
This is absolutely NOT what the majority of people studying the virus say.
If you look hard enough you can find more BS on this. Outweighed heavily by molecular biologists calling bullshit.
And of course we know where you stand on climate change as well. With the gadflies.
Ahhh the Republican party so badly wants bad science. Amazing. Just like the failed Russian wheat program. Totally ignoring genetics.

[DarrinS]

We found that SARS-CoV has the restriction site fingerprint that is typical for synthetic viruses. The synthetic fingerprint of SARS-CoV-2 is anomalous in wild coronaviruses, and common in lab-assembled viruses. The type of mutations (synonymous or silent mutations) that differentiate the restriction sites in SARS-CoV-2 are characteristic of engineering, and the concentration of these silent mutations in the restriction sites is extremely unlikely to have arisen by random evolution. Both the restriction site fingerprint and the pattern of mutations generating them are extremely unlikely in wild coronaviruses and nearly universal in synthetic viruses. Our findings strongly suggest a synthetic origin of SARS-CoV2.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...10.18.512756v1 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1)


Calling bull shit.
This is absolutely NOT what the majority of people studying the virus say.
If you look hard enough you can find more BS on this. Outweighed heavily by molecular biologists calling bullshit.
And of course we know where you stand on climate change as well. With the gadflies.
Ahhh the Republican party so badly wants bad science. Amazing. Just like the failed Russian wheat program. Totally ignoring genetics.


I admire your dedication to the CCP. :lol

I'm open to either possibility, but no one has yet discovered the 'natural' source of Sars-Cov2, unlike how they did with SARS and MERS.

[Winehole23]

so, is COVID a big deal or not?

Dr. Darrin keeps going back and forth on this.

[Winehole23]

The do nothing because it's just a cold crew apparently still has an axe to grind.

[DarrinS]

so, is COVID a big deal or not?

Dr. Darrin keeps going back and forth on this.


For some vulnerable people it is. The elderly and chronically diseased.

[DarrinS]

Probably a bad idea to have BSL-2 lab doing gain of function research within a city the size of NYC.

[ChumpDumper]

For some vulnerable people it is. The elderly and chronically diseased.

Is it a big deal to you, Darrin?

[Winehole23]

For some vulnerable people it is. The elderly and chronically diseased.You used to use that line to minimize COVID

"Those old and chronically diseased people are economic dead weight and were going to die of something anyway, probably sooner than later."

What caused your concern for old people and sick people to revive?

[Winehole23]

Besides, the jury is still out on the evidence -- so far not conclusive. Seems a bit early to accuse people you disagree with of simping for red China.

[Winehole23]

You used to use that line to minimize COVID

"Those old and chronically diseased people are economic dead weight and were going to die of something anyway, probably sooner than later."

What caused your concern for old people and sick people to revive?did someone in your zip code or who you know personally die? or is your reversal purely abstract?

[ElNono]

For some vulnerable people it is. The elderly and chronically diseased.

Don't forget the idiots, gullible chugging on Ivermectin, tbh

[DarrinS]

Don't forget the idiots, gullible chugging on Ivermectin, tbh

Fake news.

[Ef-man]

Fake news, right, tell it to these two fools...

Two people in New Mexico are suspected to have died as a result of taking ivermectin, a medicine not proven to treat COVID-19, according to state health officials.

https://www.usatoday.com/two-people-died-ivermectin-poisoning-new-mexico (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/23/two-people-died-ivermectin-poisoning-new-mexico)

[pgardn]

I admire your dedication to the CCP. :lol

I'm open to either possibility, but no one has yet discovered the 'natural' source of Sars-Cov2, unlike how they did with SARS and MERS.

No one said they had.
The genetic sequencing absolutely does NOT suggest that the Chinese genetically engineered a synthetic virus.
As of right now it is infinitely more likely the virus has an animal background than a brand new synthetic virus made by China.
We want info from China on more than just origins. We would like the patterns of spread.

What does this say about my devotion to the CCP?

[pgardn]

China has absolutely been withholding information.

But...
This lab leak stuff is implying that China released a strain of virus of their MAKING?
There is a huge difference between knowing the virus was cultivated in a lab like goes on with any lab studying the Corona viruses, and actually MAKING (synthesizing the viral RNA) the virus.
Having an animal origin and then being cultivated in large amounts within a lab is very different.

Saying the outbreak has not been traced back to an animal origin has to be understood correctly. Please find a paper that says the corona virus RNA had to be CREATED in a lab. Please post it. I need to be informed on this. Because it should be damn easy to tell by the sequence if it had a lab make it.

[TSA]

Calling bull shit.
This is absolutely NOT what the majority of people studying the virus say.
If you look hard enough you can find more BS on this. Outweighed heavily by molecular biologists calling bullshit.
And of course we know where you stand on climate change as well. With the gadflies.
Ahhh the Republican party so badly wants bad science. Amazing. Just like the failed Russian wheat program. Totally ignoring genetics.Yes, you continue to ignore genetics.

We here describe how the two main SARS‐CoV‐2 features, (1) the presence of a furin cleavage site missing in other CoVs of the same group and (2) an receptor binding domain (RBD) optimized to bind to human cells[ 2 ] might be the result of lab manipulation techniques such as site‐directed mutagenesis. The acquisition of both unique features by SARS‐CoV‐2 more or less simultaneously is less likely to be natural or caused only by cell/animal serial passage.

Before the SARS‐CoV‐2 outbreak, pangolins were the only mammals other than bats do ented to carry and be infected by SARS‐CoV‐2 related CoV.[ 12 ] Recombination events between the RBD of CoV from pangolins and RaTG13‐like backbone could have produced SARS‐CoV‐2 as chimeric strain. For such recombination to occur naturally, the two viruses must have infected the same cell in the same organism simultaneously, a rather improbable event considering the low population density of pangolins and the scarce presence of CoVs in their natural populations.x Moreover, receptor binding studies of recons uted RaTG13 showed that it does not bind to pangolin ACE2.xi

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/

Also...your source :lol


The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.

[ChumpDumper]

Why does that paragraph only focus on pangolins?

[pgardn]

Yes, you continue to ignore genetics.

We here describe how the two main SARS‐CoV‐2 features, (1) the presence of a furin cleavage site missing in other CoVs of the same group and (2) an receptor binding domain (RBD) optimized to bind to human cells[ 2 ] might be the result of lab manipulation techniques such as site‐directed mutagenesis. The acquisition of both unique features by SARS‐CoV‐2 more or less simultaneously is less likely to be natural or caused only by cell/animal serial passage.

Before the SARS‐CoV‐2 outbreak, pangolins were the only mammals other than bats do ented to carry and be infected by SARS‐CoV‐2 related CoV.[ 12 ] Recombination events between the RBD of CoV from pangolins and RaTG13‐like backbone could have produced SARS‐CoV‐2 as chimeric strain. For such recombination to occur naturally, the two viruses must have infected the same cell in the same organism simultaneously, a rather improbable event considering the low population density of pangolins and the scarce presence of CoVs in their natural populations.x Moreover, receptor binding studies of recons uted RaTG13 showed that it does not bind to pangolin ACE2.xi

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/

Also...your source :lol

So it must be genetically engineered?
Guess what. YOU have a genetic sequence that has never been observed in nature. YOU are unique. There is no other human or animal on earth that has the same genetic sequence you have. FACT. So YOU must have been engineered by the Chinese.

So what you are saying is Corona viruses that infect people were genetically engineered to do so because you have now ruled out animal origin in Pangolins. Yet a small human population in China living next to bats had been infected by a Covid virus very much like a bat virus. So... Genetic engineering made the virus.

Thats total bullshit. So because China is not coming clean they must have engineered a virus that would infect world populations...
Another TSA wonder conclusion.

[pgardn]

Why does that paragraph only focus on pangolins?

Because he does not understand the article. One that he keeps integrating with another article that is totally boffo and says something very different.
He looks up articles and does not understand what they are saying.

[ChumpDumper]

Because he does not understand the article. One that he keeps integrating with another article that is totally boffo and says something very different.
He looks up articles and does not understand what they are saying.

Looks like he's just regurgitating what he's been fed. Probably a thread on AR15.com. Maybe a grocer's blog.

[pgardn]

Looks like he's just regurgitating what he's been fed. Probably a thread on AR15.com. Maybe a grocer's blog.

His MO is wall copy/pasta and then trying to inflate one particular unknown which he does not understand.

[Winehole23]

Looks like he's just regurgitating what he's been fed. Probably a thread on AR15.com. Maybe a grocer's blog.Daily Caller would be my guess.

[pgardn]

And there definitely are some important points to be made about the Chinese not giving us info or access to their scientists but he wont touch these.
These points dont make a tasty pizza. But I really dont think he knows enough to even begin want to understand them.

[TSA]

So it must be genetically engineered?
Guess what. YOU have a genetic sequence that has never been observed in nature. YOU are unique. There is no other human or animal on earth that has the same genetic sequence you have. FACT. So YOU must have been engineered by the Chinese.

So what you are saying is Corona viruses that infect people were genetically engineered to do so because you have now ruled out animal origin in Pangolins. Yet a small human population in China living next to bats had been infected by a Covid virus very much like a bat virus. So... Genetic engineering made the virus.

Thats total bullshit. So because China is not coming clean they must have engineered a virus that would infect world populations...
Another TSA wonder conclusion.

Speaking of not understanding the article the title of the fucking paper is The genetic structure of SARS‐CoV‐2 does not rule out a laboratory origin. No one said it MUST be genetically engineered.

You bring up a small human population in China living next to bats and conveniently forget to mention this same small human population lived next to the Wuhan Institute of Virology that was doing GOF research on coronaviruses :lol

Time to take a breather, you must be tired from jumping to all these conclusions.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSA backtracking now that he sees his fuckup

[Ef-man]

:lol TSA backtracking now that he sees his fuckup

:lol

"Does not rule out"

[pgardn]

Speaking of not understanding the article the title of the fucking paper is The genetic structure of SARS‐CoV‐2 does not rule out a laboratory origin. No one said it MUST be genetically engineered.

You bring up a small human population in China living next to bats and conveniently forget to mention this same small human population lived next to the Wuhan Institute of Virology that was doing GOF research on coronaviruses :lol

Time to take a breather, you must be tired from jumping to all these conclusions.

Then tell us what a laboratory origin means for you now since you are backtracking?
I specifically mentioned genetically engineered in a lab as not true MULTIPLE TIMES and you brought up a craptastic study that said it was genetically engineered!
I have been mentioned this all along and NOW you finally decided you don’t like it?

The lab I mentioned MADE THE FIND you knuckle head.
Then when they started cultivating the virus for study; they had worried that the cultivation might be a source for larger outbreaks in which people were getting sick , which was found to be NOT THE CASE. But in any event they did not engineer the virus, they were the first lab to FIND the virus in nature! The lady who found it was one of few people who had studied other benign coronaviruses. Then they started finding it in other places other than the cave and in other people. It was cultivated from her lab but not leaked. It had already infected people anyway outside of her knowledge! We know this because the Chinese were still letting the lab talk to us at this time. It had not yet become a worldwide problem ya damn stupid fat head. It had gotten noticed in China and there were fears that it could spread easily just as it had done in some parts of China. She stumbled upon a virus that was already out and about! That was one of the major findings the Chinese scientists gave us early on. And I forgot to mention it ? when you fkn failed to read anything but a little inaccurate scrawl about it.

You just wander into something you have read little to nothing about and still don’t get it because you get your “news” from horrible sources and then further distort the info on your own. You don’t even have the timelines of major discoveries about this virus correct. Therefore you make stupid ass statements about the Chinese. And they love it. The confusion of a bunch of Trumper dumbasses like yourself. Have you learned nothing from your Italian recipes?

[pgardn]

The virus has an animal origin, just like many other viruses we find that make world wide rounds and have origins from Asia.
It’s a very crowded part of the world with a lot of close human to animal contact. Best bet by far.

Viruses “jump” species quite readily now and like they have done in the past.
Every human on Earth has viral sequences (mostly inert ie not transcribed or translated) that they pass on to their kids via egg + sperm.
Run in fear and blame China.

[Winehole23]

Fake news, right, tell it to these two fools...

Two people in New Mexico are suspected to have died as a result of taking ivermectin, a medicine not proven to treat COVID-19, according to state health officials.

https://www.usatoday.com/two-people-died-ivermectin-poisoning-new-mexico (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/23/two-people-died-ivermectin-poisoning-new-mexico)another glib DarrinS take expires on the starting line. he has a higher than average ratio of that.

[TSA]

Then tell us what a laboratory origin means for you now since you are backtracking?
I specifically mentioned genetically engineered in a lab as not true MULTIPLE TIMES and you brought up a craptastic study that said it was genetically engineered!
I have been mentioned this all along and NOW you finally decided you don’t like it?


This is why it's so pointless to go back and forth with you, your reading comprehension is shit. The study I linked never said it was genetically engineered, you just make shit up to confirm your bias.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/JoeKhalilTV/status/1633479609940361219?cxt=HHwWhoC2pZ_DpKstAAAA

[TSA]

No one said they had.
The genetic sequencing absolutely does NOT suggest that the Chinese genetically engineered a synthetic virus.
As of right now it is infinitely more likely the virus has an animal background than a brand new synthetic virus made by China.
We want info from China on more than just origins. We would like the patterns of spread.

What does this say about my devotion to the CCP?

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501902578098176

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501906009051139

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501910920560641

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501914921934848

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501919225282562

[TSA]

The virus has an animal origin, just like many other viruses we find that make world wide rounds and have origins from Asia.
It’s a very crowded part of the world with a lot of close human to animal contact. Best bet by far.

Viruses “jump” species quite readily now and like they have done in the past.
Every human on Earth has viral sequences (mostly inert ie not transcribed or translated) that they pass on to their kids via egg + sperm.
Run in fear and blame China.

https://twitter.com/KatherineEban/status/1633480480598159368

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/emilyakopp/status/1633524352850247694

[TSA]

“The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” is one of the most influential scientific articles in history.

In February 2020 — about a month before a pandemic had been declared — five top virologists huddled to examine aspects of a rapidly emerging coronavirus that seemed primed to infect human cells. In particular, a unique feature called the furin cleavage site caused concern, and even kept one virologist up all night. A few days later, the virologists concluded the virus had not been engineered. In March, their conclusions were published in Nature Medicine.

“We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” the article read.

The article assured much of the media, Washington and the broader infectious disease community that there was no need to scrutinize the labs at the pandemic’s epicenter in Wuhan, China. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is well known for research on SARS-like coronaviruses, including gain-of-function research. Though a “correspondence” and not a formal paper, the article has been cited in the press 2, 127 times.

It took 15 months and Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to reveal that each of the five authors had expressed private concerns about engineering or the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s store of novel coronaviruses and work in relatively low biosafety levels.

Also troubling: A confidential teleconference had framed early drafts of the article. But several scientists on the call had undisclosed conflicts of interest.

Wellcome Trust Director Jeremy Farrar organized the teleconference at the request of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci.

NIAID had funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology — a fact Fauci had been alerted to by late January. Minutes after being alerted by one of the virologists to gain-of-function research underway in Wuhan, Fauci dispatched an aide to determine whether his institute had funded this work. Fauci was conferring with the National Security Council and the White House almost daily at that time, his schedule shows.

Also present on the call for “advice and leadership ” but not publicly credited: director of the National Institutes of Health Francis Collins.

Two authors were later found to have collaborated with the Wuhan lab or its American partner, EcoHealth Alliance.

Christian Drosten, a prominent virologist who participated in the teleconference, was once listed as a participant in a “virus hunting” project co-led by EcoHealth Alliance.

Ron Fouchier, another virologist who shaped the article’s central ideas without credit, is synonymous with controversial viral engineering.

The authors of the “proximal origin” article are Scripps Research virologist Kristian Andersen, University of Sydney virologist Edward Holmes, Tulane School of Medicine virologist Robert Garry, University of Edinburgh virologist Andrew Rambaut and Columbia University virologist Ian Lipkin.

Another virologist was notably absent.

To Farrar, Holmes and Andersen, the work of another American virologist appeared to be “a how-to manual for building the Wuhan coronavirus in a laboratory.”

North Carolina University virologist Ralph Baric, a close collaborator of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, is a leading expert on coronaviruses and engineering techniques. His research had been at the center of the gain-of-function debate in the U.S. a few years earlier, sparking concerns it could generate “SARS 2.0.”

Several of his papers were discussed on the call, according to presentation slides obtained under FOIA.

But because of his ties to the Wuhan lab, he was left out of the discussion, according to Holmes.

“We decided not to invite Ralph Baric just because he was too close to the WIV. … He’s a great virologist. He’s guilty of nothing, I’ll tell you that right now. But we wanted to make it a proper investigation,” Holmes said in a December 2022 interview.

This timeline compiles numerous sources in an effort to covey the backstory of the enormously influential article. The timeline is likely to grow as more information emerges. All times have been approximated to Eastern Time.

Farrar said that “proximal origin” was motivated by the absence of an investigation by the WHO. However, emails show that Farrar simultaneously shepherded along the article and appealed to the WHO.

In reality, Farrar expressed a desire to leaders at the WHO to “get ahead of the science and the narrative of this.” Fauci agreed.

Four days after flagging aspects of the genome that appeared engineered, Andersen coauthored an early draft which stated that such a scenario would be “largely incompatible with the data.” After days of discussing the possibility of the furin cleavage site arising from serial passage in the lab — a method of making a virus more dangerous in the lab without engineering — the possibility was dismissed in the final report.

Farrar described the frenzy and panic preceding the publication of “proximal origin.”

“Just a few of us – Eddie, Kristian, Tony and I – were now privy to sensitive information that, if proved to be true, might set off a whole series of events that would be far bigger than any of us. It felt as if a storm was gathering,” he said.

The aim, Farrar told his colleagues at the time, was to “lay down a respected statement to frame whatever debate goes on – before that debate gets out of hand with potentially hugely damaging ramifications.”

The scientists’ familiarity with the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on novel coronaviruses calls into question a central premise of the paper — that SARS-CoV-2 could not have been engineered because it appeared to be novel.

Summary

January 27, 2020: Fauci learned he funds the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

January 29, 2020: Andersen discovered a paper describing gain-of-function techniques with coronaviruses involving the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Farrar asks to speak with Fauci.

January 31, 2020: Fauci and Andersen spoke privately. Four virologists, including three authors of the article — Andersen, Holmes and Garry — found the virus to be “inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory.”

February 1, 2020: Farrar organized a secret teleconference between the virologists and NIH. Separately, Fauci sought to learn more about which projects NIAID funded at the lab.

February 2, 2020: The virologists exchanged thoughts. Several leaned toward a lab origin. Garry said he cannot understand how SARS-CoV-2 could have emerged naturally after comparing it to RaTG13. The scientists express concerns about work with coronaviruses being done in Wuhan in BSL-2 conditions.”Wild west,” said Farrar. Farrar emphasized the importance of publishing something quickly to counteract “lurid” claims emerging about a lab origin.

February 4, 2020: A draft was circulated. Holmes, “60-40 lab,” said the draft “does not mention other anomalies as that will make us look like loons.” Andersen derided the idea of an engineered virus as “crackpot” and promoted the phrase “consistent with natural evolution” to scientists outside of the confab.

March 6, 2020: Andersen thanked Farrar, Collins and Fauci for their “advice and leadership.”

April 17, 2020: Fauci told reporters COVID-19 is “totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human,” citing the paper.

August 19, 2020: Collins and Fauci discussed the termination of an EcoHealth Alliance grant and the lab leak theory. Eight days later, a new grant is extended from NIAID to EcoHealth and Andersen’s lab.

June 20, 2021: Collins, Fauci, Andersen and Garry encouraged a researcher to rethink a preprint about early SARS-CoV-2 sequences that NIH improperly spiked from its database. Andersen proposed deleting it from a preprint server.

July 31, 2022: New entries to an NIH database indicated a relationship between Holmes and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, including work on RaTG13.


https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/timeline-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501902578098176

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501906009051139

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501910920560641

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501914921934848

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1633501919225282562

Your body is currently home to 380 trillion viruses. When you think about actual numbers of individual viruses, mutations seem an acceptable likelihood. All it takes is one.

Of course TSA is feeling cornered and thinks that building walls of texts will protect him from our pointing out the backtracking he's already done.

[Ef-man]

Your body is currently home to 380 trillion viruses. When you think about actual numbers of individual viruses, mutations seem an acceptable likelihood. All it takes is one.

Of course TSA is feeling cornered and thinks that building walls of texts will protect him from our pointing out the backtracking he's already done.

All he is doing is copy and pasting a whole bunch of "we don't know."

[ChumpDumper]

I mean I'm not going to check the numbers for bats or pangolins, but the actual numbers in one person infected with COVID are stunning.

...each infected person carries an estimated 1 billion to 100 billion virions during peak infection....

The possible mutations that could be produced in one individual are...a lot.

https://www.pnas.org/cms/10.1073/pnas.2024815118/asset/f457d9c7-2849-4fbd-8ac4-a2de3f4bf7da/assets/images/large/pnas.2024815118fig03.jpg

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2024815118#:~:text=We%20further%20assume%20th at%20each,on%20to%20infect%20other%20cells.

I'm not going to pretend to know what all this means, but the odds don't look terribly insane when you consider the total numbers involved.

[pgardn]

This is why it's so pointless to go back and forth with you, your reading comprehension is shit. The study I linked never said it was genetically engineered, you just make shit up to confirm your bias.

Why did you post a link basically implying it was, why?
I posted this over and over again and you never objected to it? But NOW you get it and claim the back and forth was useless?

Because you dont read. You put up walls of text you dont understand. And then bad info.

[TSA]

Why did you post a link basically implying it was, why?
I posted this over and over again and you never objected to it? But NOW you get it and claim the back and forth was useless?

Because you dont read. You put up walls of text you dont understand. And then bad info.

You asked for papers supporting lab theory. You then lied about their conclusions, why?

[pgardn]

You asked for papers supporting lab theory. You then lied about their conclusions, why?

Wrong. YOU thought the virus was genetically engineered by the Chinese and set upon the world. You never wrote anything about it not being so until very late in this whole thing. Because you dont get.

And you have put up so much new shit that makes inaccurate and improbably claims.
Which will take some time to pick through but I will do it for you if you want.
Why dont you tell us the weaknesses of your own posts? Go ahead.

[pgardn]

The virus has an animal origin.
Bet on it.

[TSA]

Wrong. YOU thought the virus was genetically engineered by the Chinese and set upon the world. You never wrote anything about it not being so until very late in this whole thing. Because you dont get.

And you have put up so much new shit that makes inaccurate and improbably claims.
Which will take some time to pick through but I will do it for you if you want.
Why dont you tell us the weaknesses of your own posts? Go ahead.

"set upon the world" :rollin

Why do you lie so much?

[pgardn]

The virus is being cultured in the US as we write and its very much like the Covid viruses that infect people.
So this means the US has set the virus out on the world? It means WE got the virus from samples and let it replicate in cells so we had a large enough amount of the genome and such to study the virus.

[TSA]

The virus has an animal origin.
Bet on it.

The virus was genetically altered and leaked from WIV.
Bet on it.

[pgardn]

"set upon the world" :rollin

Why do you lie so much?

Because this is what you implied at the beginning. The virus got out by China knowingly letting it out.
I made this statement early on and you never asked or even stated it was wrong.
And this is exactly what many members of the red team trumpers THINK.
YOU are a part of this group.

China wont tell because they knowingly caused this mess. You are such a disingenuous bastard.

[pgardn]

The virus was genetically altered and leaked from WIV.
Bet on it.

What does genetically altered mean.
In your statements in means engineered.
Any time you knowingly change a sequence in the RNA and put in new regulation and or actual coding sites to be translated and transcribed its engineered.
Do you understand anything about the sentence above?

[TSA]

Because this is what you implied at the beginning. The virus got out by China knowingly letting it out.
I made this statement early on and you never asked or even stated it was wrong.
And this is exactly what many members of the red team trumpers THINK.
YOU are a part of this group.

China wont tell because they knowingly caused this mess. You are such a disingenuous bastard.

I can't figure out if you are lying again or are just plain retarded. I never implied China knowingly let it out upon the world and no study I linked implied that either.

It bears repeating, your reading comprehension is absolute shit.

[TSA]

What does genetically altered mean.
In your statements in means engineered.
Any time you knowingly change a sequence in the RNA and put in new regulation and or actual coding sites to be translated and transcribed its engineered.
Do you understand anything about the sentence above?

In this context genetically altered and engineered are interchangeable. Do you have a point?

[pgardn]

The virus is being cultured in the US as we write and its very much like the Covid viruses that infect people.
So this means the US has set the virus out on the world? It means WE got the virus from samples and let it replicate in cells so we had a large enough amount of the genome and such to study the virus.

TSA concludes:

US labs are genetically altering the newer viruses and then it is leaked.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1633535790381686796

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1633536616810573824

[pgardn]

In this context genetically altered and engineered are interchangeable. Do you have a point?

Yes.
You did not understand and you still dont understand molecular biology or molecular evolution.
You put up walls of texts, make absurd claims, and then back down.

Thats the point.

[TSA]

Yes.
You did not understand and you still dont understand molecular biology or molecular evolution.
You put up walls of texts, make absurd claims, and then back down.

Thats the point.

That has nothing to do with them being interchangeable :lol

You were trying to make a point of me not knowing they were interchangeable and fell flat on your face.

The only one here making absurd claims here is you. "China set the virus upon the world" :lol

[pgardn]

I can't figure out if you are lying again or are just plain retarded. I never implied China knowingly let it out upon the world and no study I linked implied that either.

It bears repeating, your reading comprehension is absolute shit.

You say this NOW.
I had multiple posts saying this is what you thought because this is what Trumpers are told to think.
You denied none of it until NOW. I hit you right in the face with this and you never addressed it. Because, imo you believed. NOW you backtrack.
Why would you omit or not address this POLITICAL part of the claims on a POLITICAL board?

Lying, disingenuous red team member.

[pgardn]

That has nothing to do with them being interchangeable :lol

You were trying to make a point of me not knowing they were interchangeable and fell flat on your face.

The only one here making absurd claims here is you. "China set the virus upon the world" :lol

I made the same point earlier on and YOU NEVER addressed it.
Because you just figured it out. Dont lie.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1633535790381686796

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1633536616810573824

Did you happen to catch Greenwald lauding Alex Jones at a screening of a documentary about Jones?

It's really amazing.

[pgardn]

Altered by what?
The current viruses are altered by random mutations.
They are NOT the same as the original(s).
So the different forms of the virus we see now are NOT natural?

TSA answer was to put up a laughing emoji.
THREE days ago.

[TSA]

You say this NOW.
I had multiple posts saying this is what you thought because this is what Trumpers are told to think.
You denied none of it until NOW. I hit you right in the face with this and you never addressed it. Because, imo you believed. NOW you backtrack.
Why would you omit or not address this POLITICAL part of the claims on a POLITICAL board?

Lying, disingenuous red team member.

Here you go lying again.

I just went through our entire exchange. The first time you (incorrectly) said that I believed China set the virus upon the world was in post #39856...about 40 minutes ago.


Wrong. YOU thought the virus was genetically engineered by the Chinese and set upon the world. You never wrote anything about it not being so until very late in this whole thing. Because you dont get.

You didn't have multiple posts saying that is what I thought, you had one post and it happened a short time ago and I addressed it immediately. There is nothing for me to backtrack from, but it sure is going to be fun watching you try and clean up the mess you just made, liar.

[pgardn]

China has absolutely been withholding information.

But...
This lab leak stuff is implying that China released a strain of virus of their MAKING?
There is a huge difference between knowing the virus was cultivated in a lab like goes on with any lab studying the Corona viruses, and actually MAKING (synthesizing the viral RNA) the virus.
Having an animal origin and then being cultivated in large amounts within a lab is very different.

Saying the outbreak has not been traced back to an animal origin has to be understood correctly. Please find a paper that says the corona virus RNA had to be CREATED in a lab. Please post it. I need to be informed on this. Because it should be damn easy to tell by the sequence if it had a lab make it.


5 days ago.
Now look at your response.
And yes there are others. Im not going through everything like you did NOT do.

China released... wft do you think this says to the red team. Released is "let go" or to "set free"
You just now figured out that two other things are similar concerning molecular genetics and you award yourself a pat on the back and then lie.

[TSA]

5 days ago.
Now look at your response.
And yes there are others. Im not going through everything like you did NOT do.

China released... wft do you think this says to the red team. Released is "let go" or to "set free"
You just now figured out that two other things are similar concerning molecular genetics and you award yourself a pat on the back and then lie.

That isn't you saying this is what TSA thinks, you and I hadn't even started our conversation yet you fool. :lol
And no, there are not others. You might believe there are in your head but there is nothing written on this board saying that.

Why do you continue to lie so much?

[DarrinS]

Is there a "lab release" theory I haven't heard about yet? :lol

[pgardn]

Is there a "lab release" theory I haven't heard about yet? :lol

Apparently yes.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ccp-government-intentionally-released-covid-19-over-world-chinese-virologist

I guess you underestimate where you get your news from.
You know, the same guys that called Jan 6 a picnic.

This stuff is all over. And its from YOUR team. Own it.

[DarrinS]

Apparently yes.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ccp-government-intentionally-released-covid-19-over-world-chinese-virologist

I guess you underestimate where you get your news from.
You know, the same guys that called Jan 6 a picnic.

This stuff is all over. And its from YOUR team. Own it.


Appears to be the opinion of this one Chinese virologist, who appears to contradict herself.

[pgardn]

Appears to be the opinion of this one Chinese virologist, who appears to contradict herself.

Ohh...

Why was she picked for an interview by FOX?
I could find a scientist that says the same thing she says, but hes bonkers and holds grudges.
Ya think certain people are picked for interviews for a reason?

Im sure it would be amusing to get a person with schizophrenia on the news telling us how the world works. Could be "fun news".

Why dont you look around some more.
She is not the only person who believes this, especially in Trumpers in the US.

[DarrinS]

You know, the same guys that called Jan 6 a picnic.



Meh, we just don't equate that day with Pearl Harbor or 9/11

[ChumpDumper]

Meh, we just don't equate that day with Pearl Harbor or 9/11You tried to say it was a series of self-guided tours of the Capitol.

[pgardn]

Meh, we just don't equate that day with Pearl Harbor or 9/11

Meh.... Neither do I. But as an assault on a democratic institution I absolutely consider it important. But you dont.

Do you think its important to get interviews with people who actually know what they are talking about?
Or you think maybe people are chosen as "experts" because they agree with a certain audience.
Why dont you think about that.

Still chuckles that you have not heard of "it".... Im guessing.

[pgardn]

You tried to say it was a series of self-guided tours of the Capitol.

What?
Seriously?

:lol

[pgardn]

The board should know there are lab release theories Darrin has not heard about yet.

Get a town caller for ST ready.

[DarrinS]

You tried to say it was a series of self-guided tours of the Capitol.

??

[TSA]

Ohh...

Why was she picked for an interview by FOX?
I could find a scientist that says the same thing she says, but hes bonkers and holds grudges.
Ya think certain people are picked for interviews for a reason?

Im sure it would be amusing to get a person with schizophrenia on the news telling us how the world works. Could be "fun news".

Why dont you look around some more.
She is not the only person who believes this, especially in Trumpers in the US.

Why did Fox pick her for an interview? :lol

“Yan was a respected doctor who specialized in virology and immunology at the Hong Kong School of Public Health before fleeing in April 2020 after she began looking into the growing number of cases coming out of mainland China that involved human-to-human transmission.”

You are truly retarded, and a liar.

And :lmao at you just carrying on in this thread like you weren’t just exposed as a serial liar.

[ChumpDumper]

??


Lot of people in jail for trespassing.

[pgardn]

Why did Fox pick her for an interview? :lol

“Yan was a respected doctor who specialized in virology and immunology at the Hong Kong School of Public Health before fleeing in April 2020 after she began looking into the growing number of cases coming out of mainland China that involved human-to-human transmission.”

You are truly retarded, and a liar.

And :lmao at you just carrying on in this thread like you weren’t just exposed as a serial liar.

Hey Darrin.
TSA disagrees with you.
Hes right here on this board.

And you crave lying. You said you looked back at threads and said you were never confronted with wording that said the Chinese did release a virus now you go back again after I find an interview in which your fellow Trumper says the expert contradicting herself. You guys are all over the place. And now you are again flip flopping like a pathological liar again.

5 days ago dude... And now look what you posted DIRECTLY AFTER I posted this: Go look at it fkn liar.

But...
This lab leak stuff is implying that China released a strain of virus of their MAKING?
There is a huge difference between knowing the virus was cultivated in a lab like goes on with any lab studying the Corona viruses, and actually MAKING (synthesizing the viral RNA) the virus.
Having an animal origin and then being cultivated in large amounts within a lab is very different.

Saying the outbreak has not been traced back to an animal origin has to be understood correctly. Please find a paper that says the corona virus RNA had to be CREATED in a lab. Please post it. I need to be informed on this. Because it should be damn easy to tell by the sequence if it had a lab make it.




But you never saw this.
And wanted to rid yourself of the idea that China released the virus
Until I post a FOX story and you flip flop again?
There is something seriously wrong with you.

[DarrinS]

pgardn -- Is English your first language? Just curious

[TSA]

Hey Darrin.
TSA disagrees with you.
Hes right here on this board.

And you crave lying. You said you looked back at threads and said you were never confronted with wording that said the Chinese did release a virus now you go back again after I find an interview in which your fellow Trumper says the expert contradicting herself. You guys are all over the place. And now you are again flip flopping like a pathological liar again.

5 days ago dude... And now look what you posted DIRECTLY AFTER I posted this: Go look at it fkn liar.

But...
This lab leak stuff is implying that China released a strain of virus of their MAKING?
There is a huge difference between knowing the virus was cultivated in a lab like goes on with any lab studying the Corona viruses, and actually MAKING (synthesizing the viral RNA) the virus.
Having an animal origin and then being cultivated in large amounts within a lab is very different.

Saying the outbreak has not been traced back to an animal origin has to be understood correctly. Please find a paper that says the corona virus RNA had to be CREATED in a lab. Please post it. I need to be informed on this. Because it should be damn easy to tell by the sequence if it had a lab make it.




But you never saw this.
And wanted to rid yourself of the idea that China released the virus
Until I post a FOX story and you flip flop again?
There is something seriously wrong with you.

You never once said what you claimed I said concerning China releasing the virus until today and when you did state your made up claim about me I immediately addressed it. Instead of just manning up and admitting your mistake you just keep digging a deeper hole and piling on more lies. It’s sad. I never even implied China released the virus purposely. You are so full of shit and stupid that you don’t see your lies.

And what the fuck are you going on about with me flip flopping? You say some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen here. You asked why Fox would interview the Chinese virologist and I posted her background information from the link you provided. I never said I agreed with her I was simply answering your question on why Fox might pick her to be interviewed…you know maybe they picked her because she was a Chinese virologist based in Hong Kong that specialized in studying coronavirus.

Are you really this fucking stupid it had to be explained to you? Serious question.

[TSA]

pgardn -- Is English your first language? Just curious

He’s admitted to me he does talk to text. I laugh now every time I read anything he posts imaging him trying to get talk to text to capitalize and bold random words throughout the sentence like he always does. :lol

[DarrinS]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/senate-report-finds-covid-19-most-likely-leaked-out-of-chinese-lab/

GOP Senate report finds COVID-19 ‘most likely’ leaked out of Chinese lab


Leaked/escaped <> released

[pgardn]

pgardn -- Is English your first language? Just curious

Yeah you get curious at interesting moments in a conversation.
Like when you state you have never heard of a claim and it comes right back and slams into your brain.
It makes it even better when you giggle emoji the statement.

[pgardn]

You never once said what you claimed I said concerning China releasing the virus until today and when you did state your made up claim about me I immediately addressed it. Instead of just manning up and admitting your mistake you just keep digging a deeper hole and piling on more lies. It’s sad. I never even implied China released the virus purposely. You are so full of shit and stupid that you don’t see your lies.

And what the fuck are you going on about with me flip flopping? You say some of the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen here. You asked why Fox would interview the Chinese virologist and I posted her background information from the link you provided. I never said I agreed with her I was simply answering your question on why Fox might pick her to be interviewed…you know maybe they picked her because she was a Chinese virologist based in Hong Kong that specialized in studying coronavirus.

Are you really this fucking stupid it had to be explained to you? Serious question.

Hah... Pizza man NOW has a serious question.


Five days ago I made a post in which you immediately responded using various articles to refute what I wrote.
Dont give me this bullshit about manning up. You are a pathological liar and flat out deceitful.
Then you posted another article with various posters criticizing it for being bs including myself. Again the article implied the virus was genetically modified and got out/released by Chinese and caused Covid.

And you are making up a narrative. I posted the FOX article for Darrin because he said no one had made this claim. And then giggles like it does not exist because he has not seen it.
And dont fkn be stupid, FOX showed this lady, yes because she is a virologist. AND she says the virus was purposely produced to spread Covid.
And she is making a claim DARRIN said never was stated. And you know what. Its bullshit. Its just like FOX bringing on climatologists that say global warning is a hoax. With little to zero evidence refuting >95% of other climatologists.
I mean are you fkn stupid? You dont think its possible to find a biological scientist who has a multiple degrees and does not believe in evolution, the foundation of Biology? Dont be naïve, these people are not correct because they hold degrees. You have to actively go out and look for gadflies.
Look up what gadfly means why dont you. Thats what FOX does.

So lets go over this again. You believe the Chinese genetically modified the Covid virus. And this virus caused the world wide Covid we see today?
Tell me and the board what you believe.

I believe the Chinese discovered the virus and studied it (meaning they must grow it) in a lab AFTER it was already present in nature. I also believe they will not cooperate in showing us their further studies and letting us talk to their scientists.

So go ahead. What is your story now?

[pgardn]

He’s admitted to me he does talk to text. I laugh now every time I read anything he posts imaging him trying to get talk to text to capitalize and bold random words throughout the sentence like he always does. :lol

Darrin and TSA.

Darrin believes this lady on FOX contradicts herself.
discuss for the board please. TSA wants to buddy up.

[TSA]

Hah... Pizza man NOW has a serious question.


Five days ago I made a post in which you immediately responded using various articles to refute what I wrote.
Dont give me this bullshit about manning up. You are a pathological liar and flat out deceitful.
Then you posted another article with various posters criticizing it for being bs including myself. Again the article implied the virus was genetically modified and got out/released by Chinese and caused Covid.

And you are making up a narrative. I posted the FOX article for Darrin because he said no one had made this claim. And then giggles like it does not exist because he has not seen it.
And dont fkn be stupid, FOX showed this lady, yes because she is a virologist. AND she says the virus was purposely produced to spread Covid.
And she is making a claim DARRIN said never was stated. And you know what. Its bullshit. Its just like FOX bringing on climatologists that say global warning is a hoax. With little to zero evidence refuting >95% of other climatologists.
I mean are you fkn stupid? You dont think its possible to find a biological scientist who has a multiple degrees and does not believe in evolution, the foundation of Biology? Dont be naïve, these people are not correct because they hold degrees. You have to actively go out and look for gadflies.
Look up what gadfly means why dont you. Thats what FOX does.

So lets go over this again. You believe the Chinese genetically modified the Covid virus. And this virus caused the world wide Covid we see today?
Tell me and the board what you believe.

I believe the Chinese discovered the virus and studied it (meaning they must grow it) in a lab AFTER it was already present in nature. I also believe they will not cooperate in showing us their further studies and letting us talk to their scientists.

So go ahead. What is your story now?

I never claimed the Chinese purposefully released the virus into the world. Nothing I linked claimed the Chinese purposely released the virus into the world. Darrin never claimed no one made the claim the Chinese virologist made. :lol You are off your fucking rocker and should seek help. You constantly create scenarios in your head that NEVER happened.

Yes, I believe the Chinese genetically modified the virus and it somehow escaped from WIV causing the Covid pandemic. Unlike you, my story never changed.

Are you done lying for the night?

[pgardn]

I never claimed the Chinese purposefully released the virus into the world. Nothing I linked claimed the Chinese purposely released the virus into the world. Darrin never claimed no one made the claim the Chinese virologist made. :lol You are off your fucking rocker and should seek help. You constantly create scenarios in your head that NEVER happened.

Yes, I believe the Chinese genetically modified the virus and it somehow escaped from WIV causing the Covid pandemic. Unlike you, my story never changed.

Are you done lying for the night?

This is the FIRST time you have expressed clearly that you believe, "Somehow"
You had plenty of chances to say this. So somehow means might be a purposeful release?
Stop playing games. I have very clearly stated that people of your ilk, uneducated Trumpsters, say purposeful release.

And then this bullshit about how you understood what genetic engineering actually means and that you knew it the whole time. You know thats a lie.

So purposeful or not?

And since to you its clear China engineered the RNA in virus in the lab, what did they do exactly? Did they make the virus easier to spread from human to human, did they make the symptoms people might get worse? Did they actually help a virus gain function in humans from an animal? Or the Chinese did nothing either way, they accidentally changed the RNA for no purpose and it got out? WHAT did they do to the RNA and what was the reasoning?

Because your team Trump, as illustrated by many who dont know shit about the virus, claim it was lab produced and released on purpose with the thought it would be more dangerous. Its your claim. We know your history with Q and such, so go for it.

[TSA]

This is the FIRST time you have expressed clearly that you believe, "Somehow"
You had plenty of chances to say this. So somehow means might be a purposeful release?
Stop playing games. I have very clearly stated that people of your ilk, uneducated Trumpsters, say purposeful release.

And then this bullshit about how you understood what genetic engineering actually means and that you knew it the whole time. You know thats a lie.

So purposeful or not?

And since to you its clear China engineered the RNA in virus in the lab, what did they do exactly? Did they make the virus easier to spread from human to human, did they make the symptoms people might get worse? Did they actually help a virus gain function in humans from an animal? Or the Chinese did nothing either way, they accidentally changed the RNA for no purpose and it got out? WHAT did they do to the RNA and what was the reasoning?

Because your team Trump, as illustrated by many who dont know shit about the virus, claim it was lab produced and released on purpose with the thought it would be more dangerous. Its your claim. We know your history with Q and such, so go for it.

Holy shit. You just can not stop lying.

You have some serious issues. What is wrong with you?

[DarrinS]

Did they actually help a virus gain function in humans from an animal?.

This is exactly the kind of research WIV was doing.

[pgardn]

Speaking of not understanding the article the title of the fucking paper is The genetic structure of SARS‐CoV‐2 does not rule out a laboratory origin. No one said it MUST be genetically engineered.

You bring up a small human population in China living next to bats and conveniently forget to mention this same small human population lived next to the Wuhan Institute of Virology that was doing GOF research on coronaviruses :lol

Time to take a breather, you must be tired from jumping to all these conclusions.

"No one said it must be genetically engineered"

Yes they did. YOU did.

[pgardn]

This is exactly the kind of research WIV was doing.

You dont know this.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

And gain of function itself has a rather difficult definition, even for molecular biologists.
But I would agree to this, gain of function looks closely into how virus jump species.

[pgardn]

Holy shit. You just can not stop lying.

You have some serious issues. What is wrong with you?

So you do not go along with the scientist FOX just put up.
The one you praised? You said you dont NECESSARILY agree with her?
So you now could go either way? What is it?

I am unequivocally saying the virus came from a natural source. And that it was NOT released by a lab, it had already been established in at least China.
Because this is what the literature says to me.

[pgardn]

I never claimed the Chinese purposefully released the virus into the world. Nothing I linked claimed the Chinese purposely released the virus into the world. Darrin never claimed no one made the claim the Chinese virologist made. :lol You are off your fucking rocker and should seek help. You constantly create scenarios in your head that NEVER happened.

Yes, I believe the Chinese genetically modified the virus and it somehow escaped from WIV causing the Covid pandemic. Unlike you, my story never changed.

Are you done lying for the night?

Yes he did or at the very least he implied it.

[pgardn]

Is there a "lab release" theory I haven't heard about yet? :lol

So the laughing emoji means I feel so embarrassed that I might not have heard about it?
And "it" involves a purposeful release. But good try by Trumpsters sticking together yet disagreeing.

[DarrinS]

So the laughing emoji means I feel so embarrassed that I might not have heard about it?
And "it" involves a purposeful release. But good try by Trumpsters sticking together yet disagreeing.

Well, you found one Chinese virologist that believes that. But, she contradicted herself and has an obvious axe to grind with CCP.

[TSA]

So you do not go along with the scientist FOX just put up.
The one you praised? You said you dont NECESSARILY agree with her?
So you now could go either way? What is it?

I am unequivocally saying the virus came from a natural source. And that it was NOT released by a lab, it had already been established in at least China.
Because this is what the literature says to me.

The one I praised? :lol Can you go five minutes with out lying? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[TSA]

Yes he did or at the very least he implied it.

No he didn't. Something is seriously wrong with you.

[pgardn]

The one I praised? :lol Can you go five minutes with out lying? What the fuck is wrong with you?

You absolutely legitimized her.
I would call that praise.
She must be someone very important with all those degrees and then getting invited on FOX?

Quit trying to play a victim you lying fck.

You want to get back to Darrin on how she contradicted herself now?

[pgardn]

No he didn't. Something is seriously wrong with you.

He most certainly did.
Something is seriously wrong with you.
He did not think this theory existed.

"Well you found ONE" Like this is a rare occurrence after he said he did not know the theory existed.

gtfoh

Read the fkn p.osts

[TSA]

You absolutely legitimized her.
I would call that praise.
She must be someone very important with all those degrees and then getting invited on FOX?

Quit trying to play a victim you lying fck.I posted her background from YOUR link after YOU asked why Fox would interview her.

The only person that has been lying is you, and you've done it publicly and exposed yourself as a lying fool to the entire board.

You've lost your mind. Something has happened to you in the last few days. Seriously seek help.

[TSA]

He most certainly did.
Something is seriously wrong with you.
He did not think this theory existed.

"Well you found ONE" Like this is a rare occurrence after he said he did not know the theory existed.

gtfoh

Read the fkn p.osts

Seek mental health help immediately.

[pgardn]

I posted her background from YOUR link after YOU asked why Fox would interview her.

The only person that has been lying is you, and you've done it publicly and exposed yourself as a lying fool to the entire board.

You've lost your mind. Something has happened to you in the last few days. Seriously seek help.


Says the guy who is trying to tell me what Darrin thinks....
Read dumbass.
And FOX is interviewing her because it fits the dumbass red narrative. Not because she has unearthed some fantastic theory.
Again, do you know what a gadfly is? thats her.

You got yourself in too deep and now are trying to find a way out.
Something has happened to me? Because I happen to understand this particular literature and weighed in on it, something has happened to me?

Qanon says something has happened to me with zero self introspection.

[pgardn]

Seek mental health help immediately.

Yeah keep going with that.
The discussion is not going your way Q man.

[TSA]

Says the guy who is trying to tell me what Darrin thinks....
Read dumbass.
And FOX is interviewing her because it fits the dumbass red narrative. Not because she has unearthed some fantastic theory.
Again, do you know what a gadfly is? thats her.

You got yourself in too deep and now are trying to find a way out.
Something has happened to me? Because I happen to understand this particular literature and weighed in on it, something has happened to me?

Qanon says something has happened to me with zero self introspection.

For the past two days you have been constantly lying so yes, something has happened to you.

[Winehole23]

Long COVID patients in this study were 3x more likely to die and much more likely to suffer a range of serious illnesses.


Results The study population included 13 435 individuals with PCC and 26 870 individuals with no evidence of COVID-19 (mean [SD] age, 51 [15.1] years; 58.4% female). During follow-up, the PCC cohort experienced increased health care utilization for a wide range of adverse outcomes: cardiac arrhythmias (relative risk [RR], 2.35; 95% CI, 2.26-2.45), pulmonary embolism (RR, 3.64; 95% CI, 3.23-3.92), ischemic stroke (RR, 2.17; 95% CI, 1.98-2.52), coronary artery disease (RR, 1.78; 95% CI, 1.70-1.88), heart failure (RR, 1.97; 95% CI, 1.84-2.10), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (RR, 1.94; 95% CI, 1.88-2.00), and asthma (RR, 1.95; 95% CI, 1.86-2.03). The PCC cohort also experienced increased mortality, as 2.8% of individuals with PCC vs 1.2% of controls died, implying an excess death rate of 16.4 per 1000 individuals.

Conclusions and Relevance This case-control study leveraged a large commercial insurance database and found increased rates of adverse outcomes over a 1-year period for a PCC cohort surviving the acute phase of illness. The results indicate a need for continued monitoring for at-risk individuals, particularly in the area of cardiovascular and pulmonary management.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2802095

[pgardn]

For the past two days you have been constantly lying so yes, something has happened to you.

So you want to forget when the discussion started.
This does discussion is more than two days worth.

I told you what I believe and what I gather you believe by your statements and posts., which has clearly changed to where I don’t know what you believe. So tell me clearly what you believe. (If you can still understand my writing on a cell phone.)

[Winehole23]

care to revise your spoon fed conclusions, TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640)?

which right media outlet misled you on this?


The debate over masks’ effectiveness (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2023/02/covid-mask-guidelines-fight-cochrane-review/673039/) in fighting the spread of the coronavirus intensified recently when a respected scientific nonprofit said its review of studies assessing measures to impede the spread of viral illnesses found it was “uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.”

Now the organization, Cochrane, says the way it summarized the review was unclear and imprecise, and that the way some people interpreted it was wrong.

“Many commentators have claimed that a recently updated Cochrane Review shows that ‘masks don’t work’, which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation,” Karla Soares-Weiser, the editor in chief of The Cochrane Library, said in a statement.

“The review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses,” Soares-Weiser said, adding, “given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask wearing itself reduces people’s risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses.”

She said that “this wording was open to misinterpretation, for which we apologize,” and that Cochrane would revise the summary.

Soares-Weiser also said, though, that one of the lead authors of the review even more seriously misinterpreted its finding on masks by saying in an interview that it proved “there is just no evidence that they make any difference.” In fact, Soares-Weiser said, “that statement is not an accurate representation of what the review found.”


Michael D. Brown, a doctor and academic who serves on the Cochrane editorial board and made the final decision on the review, told me the review couldn’t arrive at a firm conclusion because there weren’t enough high-quality randomized trials with high rates of mask adherence.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochrane-study.html

[TSA]

So you want to forget when the discussion started.
This does discussion is more than two days worth.

I told you what I believe and what I gather you believe by your statements and posts., which has clearly changed to where I don’t know what you believe. So tell me clearly what you believe. (If you can still understand my writing on a cell phone.)

The discussion is more than two days worth. Your constant lying started 3 days ago.

I've already told you what I believe and you can go back and find it while sifting through your lies.

[pgardn]

The discussion is more than two days worth. Your constant lying started 3 days ago.

I've already told you what I believe and you can go back and find it while sifting through your lies.

Tell me again.
Its changed.
Hypocritical liar. I can’t keep up with your changes.

[TSA]

Tell me again.
Its changed.
Hypocritical liar. I can’t keep up with your changes.

Here you go lying again.
It never changed.
I can't keep up with your lies.

[TSA]

care to revise your spoon fed conclusions, TSA (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7640)?

which right media outlet misled you on this?



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/10/opinion/masks-work-cochrane-study.htmlThe irony of you bringing up being misled and then immediately posting a link with that headline :lol

https://twitter.com/eliyanavd/status/1634175337750732800

https://twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1634212973529952259



"one of the lead authors of the review even more seriously misinterpreted its finding on masks by saying in an interview that it proved “there is just no evidence that they make any difference.” :rollin

https://twitter.com/WesPegden/status/1634259809527537690

https://twitter.com/beenwrekt/status/1634224716700598272

[pgardn]

Here you go lying again.
It never changed.
I can't keep up with your lies.

Then give the board your theory liar?
You can’t even do this because you have backtracked so many times.
When you lie this much it becomes a tangled web, for you AND everyone else.

So your theory please.

[pgardn]

Please TSA.

And with your OWN words.
You can give your evidence later.
No copy pasta ala Q chef.

[TSA]

Then give the board your theory liar?
You can’t even do this because you have backtracked so many times.
When you lie this much it becomes a tangled web, for you AND everyone else.

So your theory please.

I haven't lied about anything. I haven't backtracked on anything, yet another lie from you.

The only one that has been lying is you.

I have already given you my theory, sift through all your lies and find it if you want.

[Winehole23]

The irony of you bringing up being misled and then immediately posting a link with that headline :lol



you were led by the nose and shown up by "gold standard" Cochrane

[pgardn]

I haven't lied about anything. I haven't backtracked on anything, yet another lie from you.

The only one that has been lying is you.

I have already given you my theory, sift through all your lies and find it if you want.

Right then.
Back to work.

I just told you you do not have a coherent stance.
I should not have to “sift” through anything. It should not be hidden in various lies.
It should take maybe two fkn sentences of your own authorship.

[TSA]

you were led by the nose and shown up by "gold standard" Cochrane

You just posted a misleading NYT headline :lol

[TSA]

Right then.
Back to work.

I just told you you do not have a coherent stance.
I should not have to “sift” through anything. It should not be hidden in various lies.
It should take maybe two fkn sentences of your own authorship.

The amount of projecting you do is astonishing.
I do have a coherent stance.
If you didn't lie so much there wouldn't be so much to sift through.
I posted my theory again yesterday, you even commented on it.
Stop being lazy.
Stop lying.

[ChumpDumper]

Make sure the surgical team doesn't wear masks when the work on you or your family members in the OR. If you let them wear masks, you're a cuck!

[TSA]

Treason of the Science Journals
How Anthony Fauci manufactured consensus on the origins of COVID-19 with the help of science writers and the media
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/treason-science-journals

[Winehole23]

You just posted a misleading NYT headline :lolit's a primary source of the Cochrane clarification, unlike you I don't hide that

[TSA]

it's a primary source of the Cochrane clarification, unlike you I don't hide that

The Cochrane clarification does not claim what the NYT headline claims. You are spreading misinformation...tsk tsk.

What are you saying I hid?

[Winehole23]

The Cochrane clarification does not claim what the NYT headline claims. You are spreading misinformation...tsk tsk.I posted my source for Cochrane's public clarification. The NYT op-ed headline is blunt, but it's consistent with the support cited. Doesn't seem like misinfo to me, you just disagree with the conclusion drawn in the article.

[ChumpDumper]

It's an opinion piece. TSA again misses the most obvious point.

[Winehole23]

It's an opinion piece. TSA again misses the most obvious point....that he and a couple of researchers misstated the actual conclusions of the Cochrane study.

[Winehole23]

What are you saying I hid?whatever sources give you your marching orders

[TSA]

...that he and a couple of researchers misstated the actual conclusions of the Cochrane study.

The NYT misstated the actual conclusions of the Cochrane study.

[TSA]

whatever sources give you your marching orders

You are full of shit. I posted both the author and publication.

[ChumpDumper]

The NYT misstated the actual conclusions of the Cochrane study.It's the opinion writer's opinion.

[ChumpDumper]

Also, why are right wingers still pissing themselves about masks?

[DarrinS]

Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

[DarrinS]

The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks, scoop!

[koriwhat]

Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

Masks are worthless for anything resembling the Kung Flu and we all know that already yet the cultists pretend otherwise.

[DarrinS]

Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.


The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material.


^From Fauci email reply to Sylvia Burwell in February 2020. She asked his advice about wearing masks while traveling.

[ChumpDumper]

And?

[pgardn]

Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection.

Masks do both.
But one is more critical that the other from a perspective of spreading.
Especially with an airborne disease.

[pgardn]

Treason of the Science Journals
How Anthony Fauci manufactured consensus on the origins of COVID-19 with the help of science writers and the media
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/treason-science-journals

This is an absolutely laughable source.

[pgardn]

The amount of projecting you do is astonishing.
I do have a coherent stance.
If you didn't lie so much there wouldn't be so much to sift through.
I posted my theory again yesterday, you even commented on it.
Stop being lazy.
Stop lying.

My contention is still you have changed your "theory" and you are a liar.

So post your theory again so we both can go through it.
I have posted mine, do you want to see it again? Its fairly straightforward.
Im telling YOU that you have a chopped up minced version from start to "finish" concerning the origins of the virus.
So go ahead chicken shit. Post it again.

[pgardn]

The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material.

not really...

N95s?
Tell us about size then.
And tell us about the 6 ft range, what was that about?

[Winehole23]

I don't believe this because the sources have epicanthic folds.


An international team of virus experts said on Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

The genetic data was drawn from swabs taken from in and around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market starting in January 2020, shortly after the Chinese authorities had shut down the market because of suspicions that it was linked to the outbreak of a new virus. By then, the animals had been cleared out, but researchers swabbed walls, floors, metal cages and carts often used for transporting animal cages.

In samples that came back positive for the coronavirus, the international research team found genetic material belonging to animals, including large amounts that were a match for the raccoon dog, three scientists involved in the analysis said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)

[TSA]

I don't believe this because the sources have epicanthic folds.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)
https://twitter.com/Ayjchan/status/1636510173610098689

[DarrinS]

1636494218355957760

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1636004126873251840

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1636004130283216898

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1636007216221401089

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1636025943440658432

[Winehole23]

lol

[Ef-man]

Another wall of copy/paste and he will get upset for it being pointed out as being just a "I have to contribute to this thread" nothing-burger conspiracy, par.

[TSA]

Another wall of copy/paste and he will get upset for it being pointed out as being just a "I have to contribute to this thread" nothing-burger conspiracy, par.

I'm not upset about anything now and I wasn't upset about anything yesterday either.

It's clear I really struck a nerve with you yesterday as you are still butthurt about the same thing today :rollin

[TSA]

lolFantastic rebuttal.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1636729200110452738

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1636729206741581824

[Winehole23]

Fantastic rebuttal.I called Darrin's response cold.

You're just connecting da dots to vindicate your already made up mind, no comment needed there.

[Ef-man]

I'm not upset about anything now and I wasn't upset about anything yesterday either.

It's clear I really struck a nerve with you yesterday as you are still butthurt about the same thing today :rollin

Sure, time and time again, it is others who have issues, you are not lashing out when you copy/paste post shit sources, got it.

Glad to see you recognized the post was about you. :lol

[TSA]

Sure, time and time again, it is others who have issues, you are not lashing out when you copy/paste post shit sources, got it.

Glad to see you recognized the post was about you. :lol

Of course I knew it was about me it was the same schtick you tried yesterday when you were butthurt.

The only one with an issue here lashing out is you. The issue is that you are still butthurt about yesterday. Evidence of you lashing out is coming to a different thread unsolicited and continuing to be butthurt about yesterday.

You got called out for making shit up yesterday, it really wasn't a big deal, but you just can't let it go and continue to show how much it didn't bother you :rollin

[Ef-man]

Of course I knew it was about me it was the same schtick you tried yesterday when you were butthurt.

The only one with an issue here lashing out is you. The issue is that you are still butthurt about yesterday. Evidence of you lashing out is coming to a different thread unsolicited and continuing to be butthurt about yesterday.

You got called out for making shit up yesterday, it really wasn't a big deal, but you just can't let it go and continue to show how much it didn't bother you :rollin

Sure, I am butthurt for pointing out your shit copy/paste wall posts; makes perfect sense. :lol

Keep believing :tu

[Ef-man]

Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.

But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.

New York Times paywall:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak

[TSA]

Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered. :rollin

An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.

But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.

New York Times paywall:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak

Nothing in the article confirms it was not engineered fucknut :lol

Were you not able to read the full article because of the paywall?

From the article:

"The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected. And even if a raccoon dog had been infected, it would not be clear that the animal had spread the virus to people. Another animal could have passed the virus to people, or someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog."

Another desperate attempt by one of the original shady Proximal Origin authors Kristian Anderson to discredit the lab leak theory. Of course you lapped it up.

[TSA]

Inbound butthurt coming shortly

[TSA]

Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.

But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.

New York Times paywall:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1636492658284851201

:lol fucknut

[TSA]

Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1636762142136475648

https://twitter.com/mattwridley/status/1636650321626685440

https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl/status/1636760055625449473

:lol fucknut

[Ef-man]

More copy/paste walls. :lol

[TSA]

Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

:lol fucknut taken to the woodshed

[TSA]

More copy/paste walls. :lol

:lol fucknut coming back to get shit on again with copy/pastes.


Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.

But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.

New York Times paywall:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1636803105831387142


Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1636805791096111107

:lol fucknut

[TSA]

I don't believe this because the sources have epicanthic folds.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)

Then why do you believe this?

[Ef-man]

:lol fucknut coming back to get shit on again with copy/pastes.



https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1636803105831387142



https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1636805791096111107

:lol fucknut

Copy/paste to feel better, what an idiot. :lol

[TSA]

Copy/paste to feel better, what an idiot. :lol

copy/pasting to shit on you is so easy why would I stop?

Did you even read the article you copy/pasted? Yes or no.

[TSA]

I don't believe this because the sources have epicanthic folds.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)

These exact same sources tried peddling the exact same story a year ago :lol

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/new-preprints-further-implicate-market-in-pandemic-s-origins-69748

[TSA]

Copy/paste to feel better, what an idiot. :lol


Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

what an idiot. :lol

[ElNono]

I called Darrin's response cold.

You're just connecting da dots to vindicate your already made up mind, no comment needed there.

This sums it up pretty well...

[TSA]

This sums it up pretty well...

Exact same thing could be said of those pushing natural origin but you don’t say shit about that :lol

[Th'Pusher]

Exact same thing could be said of those pushing natural origin but you don’t say shit about that :lol

I thought you agreed the virus was of natural origin but was leaked

[ElNono]

Exact same thing could be said of those pushing natural origin but you don’t say shit about that :lol

Who are those?

[TSA]

I thought you agreed the virus was of natural origin but was leaked

I said I thought the Chinese modified a virus and it somehow leaked from WIV.

Did you really waste one of your now rare posts for this weak ass failed attempt at a gotcha?

[TSA]

Who are those?

:lol

[ElNono]

:lol

oh ok

[TSA]

oh ok

Oh ok, you were serious? Lol. Why not just start with the person you quoted and bolded that sparked this conversation and posted the laughable new “study” pushing natural origin.

[ElNono]

Oh ok, you were serious? Lol. Why not just start with the person you quoted and bolded that sparked this conversation and posted the laughable new “study” pushing natural origin.

Of course I'm serious. You mean the person that said he didn't believe that report?

Posting news articles isn't an endorsement nor an attempt to connect da dots.

[ElNono]

Plus, if it was indeed from 'natural origin', there would be nothing surprising about it. That would be where the vast majority of diseases that affect humans come from.

This is why conspiracies like the lab leaks, etc have a much higher bar to clear and bigger scrutiny...

[Winehole23]

Exact same thing could be said of those pushing natural origin but you don’t say shit about that :lola few pages back I said the jury is still out. I have an open mind, I can wait for the consensus but yours is already made up.

[Winehole23]

whoops

[Th'Pusher]

I said I thought the Chinese modified a virus and it somehow leaked from WIV.

Did you really waste one of your now rare posts for this weak ass failed attempt at a gotcha?

Modified a virus of natural origin.

[RandomGuy]

Plus, if it was indeed from 'natural origin', there would be nothing surprising about it. That would be where the vast majority of diseases that affect humans come from.

This is why conspiracies like the lab leaks, etc have a much higher bar to clear and bigger scrutiny...

The time to believe something is when you have evidence to do so.

[TSA]

Of course I'm serious. You mean the person that said he didn't believe that report?

Posting news articles isn't an endorsement nor an attempt to connect da dots.

I read his comment of not believing the report because the sources had slanted eyes as being sarcastic. When I asked him if he believed the report he didn't respond so he'll have to chime in.

[TSA]

Modified a virus of natural origin.

No shit.

[TSA]

The time to believe something is when you have evidence to do so.

There is quite a bit of evidence leading to lab leak, not so much for happening in nature.

[Ef-man]

There is quite a bit of evidence leading to lab leak, not so much for happening in nature.

A natural virus was engineered/modified and then lab released?

Very high standard conspiracy with no proof. Speculation sure, evidence, no.

[TSA]

A natural virus was engineered/modified and then lab released?

Very high standard conspiracy with no proof. Speculation sure, evidence, no.


Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.

In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.

But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.

New York Times paywall:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak

:lmao


Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

Evidence it was not engineered from the article you posted claiming it was.

"The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected. And even if a raccoon dog had been infected, it would not be clear that the animal had spread the virus to people. Another animal could have passed the virus to people, or someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog."

:lmao

[Ef-man]

:lmao



Evidence it was not engineered from the article you posted claiming it was.

"The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected. And even if a raccoon dog had been infected, it would not be clear that the animal had spread the virus to people. Another animal could have passed the virus to people, or someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog."

:lmao

WTF????

Article notes that they found genetic data from a market linking the virus to raccoon dogs for sale there.

It mentions your conspiracy of lab leak but stresses that the virus could have spread from wild animals (possibly natural origin), hence my comment that pgard was correct.

The article did not show any evidence that the virus was engineered nor a lab leak, as you say it is.

Get your shit right, idiot. :lol

[TSA]

WTF????

Article notes that they found genetic data from a market linking the virus to raccoon dogs for sale there.

It mentions your conspiracy of lab leak but stresses that the virus could have spread from wild animals (possibly natural origin), hence my comment that pgard was correct.

The article did not show any evidence that the virus was engineered nor a lab leak, as you say it is.

Get your shit right, idiot. :lolI was mocking you fucknut.


Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.

The article you linked does not show evidence of anything :rollin

You posted a shit study from the same authors who posted the exact same theory a year ago. You can just admit you posted a shit study you didn’t understand or continue flailing around being butthurt. Your call fucknut.

[Hank Scorpio]

I was mocking you fucknut.



The article you linked does not show evidence of anything :rollin

You posted a shit study from the same authors who posted the exact same theory a year ago. You can just admit you posted a shit study you didn’t understand or continue flailing around being butthurt. Your call fucknut.

What difference does it make if it's engineered? Most everyone agrees the Chinese government is bad already so what does the info change? We not going to war with them obviously

[Momo]

:lol people believe whatever they want. It's funny watching people be so dedicated to a shitty stance that they will go down with the ship. I guess that's politics though.

[Ef-man]

I was mocking you fucknut.



The article you linked does not show evidence of anything :rollin

You posted a shit study from the same authors who posted the exact same theory a year ago. You can just admit you posted a shit study you didn’t understand or continue flailing around being butthurt. Your call fucknut.

You feeling ok Qtsa?

Critical thinking is beyond your understanding?

Studies with no evidence are bad now?

Your copy/paste walls show no evidence whatsoever that virus was engineered and leaked. Speculation yes, evidence, no.

The article reports that there was genetic data from a market linking the virus to raccoon dogs for sale. Argue with that, idiot.