Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

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"it's over"


More than three-quarters of US hospital beds are currently in use due to COVID hospitalizations, which is largely in line with trends over the past three years.https://abc7.com/new-covid-variant-jn1-symptoms-leading-causes-of-us-cases/14218488/

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tl;dr

hybrid immunity provides close to no protection against hospitalization without the xbb.1.5-updated booster, because SARS2 is evolving faster than vaccines.

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tl;dr

hybrid immunity provides close to no protection against hospitalization without the xbb.1.5-updated booster, because SARS2 is evolving faster than vaccines.

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Big fuckin' deal, Winestein. Commerce has once and again taken complete control. They ain't even toting up the deaths in public this time around.

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JN.1 is an Omicron-like evolutionary turn



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Zapping the Vagus Nerve Could Relieve Some Long COVID Symptoms

Researchers are increasingly recognizing that long COVID is as much a neurological disorder as a cardiovascular and respiratory one. Treatment studies have highlighted the condition’s neurological aspects, including some that are potentially related to the vagus nerve. Early small-scale trials of vagal stimulation have seen reductions in hallmark long COVID symptoms such as chronic fatigue, headaches and irregular blood pressure. Another study demonstrated that the devices used to send electrical stimulation through the skin are safe and easy to use at home—offering convenience, accessibility and less risk of contagion. Scientists are still studying which long COVID symptoms this technique can reliably address, which patients will benefit and how long the effects last. In any case, the vagus nerve’s influence throughout the body appears to be key for treating some of the all-encompassing manifestations of long COVID.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/zapping-the-vagus-nerve-could-relieve-some-long-covid-symptoms/

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As of last year, COVID was the 3rd leading cause of death in the US.

The burden of disease short of mortality is arguably worse, in human and economic terms.


Appearing before a key U.S. Senate committee on Jan. 18, one of the world’s foremost authorities on long COVID-19 laid it on the line. “We developed vaccines at warp speed,” said Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, a clinical epidemiologist at Washington University in St. Louis. “We are doing trials for long COVID at snail speed.”

These were strong words, backed by statistics and set against the backdrop of a feeble first swipe at long COVID by the National Institutes of Health that has been widely viewed as a disastrous squander (https://www.statnews.com/2023/04/20/long-covid-nih-billion/) of time and money. But the issue is too serious to spend much time looking for scapegoats.

Based on data collected in 2022, an estimated 18 million people (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db480.htm) in the U.S. and 65 million worldwide (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)00493-2/fulltext) have been hit with the debilitating effects of long COVID, and that count is almost certainly rising. In his Congressional testimony, Al-Aly said the U.S. number alone was at least 20 million.

“It affects people across the lifespan, from children to older adults, and across demographic groups,” Al-Aly told the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP). Further, he said, “The burden of long COVID, the burden of disease and disability when you measure it, is on par with the burden of cancer and heart disease (https://fortune.com/2023/08/21/long-covid-shorter-life-new-research-reveals-arduous-road-to-recovery-carolyn-barber/). (https://fortune.com/2023/08/21/long-covid-shorter-life-new-research-reveals-arduous-road-to-recovery-carolyn-barber/)”

https://fortune.com/2024/01/24/experts-patients-warn-congress-long-covid-government-blows-through-billion-cure-health-carolyn-barber/

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the evidence for immune dysfunction in Covid and Long Covid keeps stacking up


Acute infections with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) cause a respiratory illness that can be associated with systemic immune cell activation and inflammation, widespread multiorgan dysfunction, and thrombosis. Not everyone fully recovers from COVID-19, leading to Long Covid, the treatment of which is a major unmet clinical need (1 (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn1077#core-R1)). Long Covid can affect people of all ages, follows severe as well as mild disease, and involves multiple organs. The persistence of lingering symptoms after acute disease creates a considerable challenge for understanding the specific pathophysiology and risk factors underlying Long Covid. On page 273 of this issue, Cervia-Hasler et al. (2 (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn1077#core-R2)) report a multicenter, longitudinal study of 113 patients who either fully recovered from COVID-19 or developed Long Covid, identifying localized activation of the innate immune defense complement system as a likely culprit that induces thromboinflammation and prevents the restoration of fitness after acute COVID-19.

Patients with Long Covid display signs of immune dysfunction and exhaustion (1 (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn1077#core-R1)), persistent immune cell activation (3 (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn1077#core-R3)), and autoimmune antibody production (1 (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn1077#core-R1)), which are also pathological features of acute COVID-19.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adn1077

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Measles is nbd, say Florida Surgeon General, yet more proof that COVID made people dumber.

https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/florida-defies-cdc-measles-outbreak/

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“This is not a parental rights issue,” said Scott Rivkees, Florida’s former surgeon general who is now a professor at Brown University. “It’s about protecting fellow classmates, teachers, and members of the community against measles, which is a very serious and very transmissible illness.”

Most people who aren’t protected by a vaccine will get measles if they’re exposed to the virus. This vulnerable group includes children whose parents don’t get them vaccinated, infants too young for the vaccine, those who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons, and others who don’t mount a strong, lasting immune response (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/faqs.html#:~:text=It%20could%20be%20that%20their%2 0immune%20systems%20didn%E2%80%99t%20respond%20as% 20well%20as%20they%20should%20have%20to%20the%20va ccine.) to it. Rivkees estimates that about a tenth of people in a community fall into the vulnerable category.

The CDC advises that unvaccinated students stay home from school for three weeks after exposure. Because the highly contagious measles virus spreads (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/transmission.html) on tiny droplets through the air and on surfaces, students are considered exposed simply by sitting in the same cafeteria or classroom as someone infected. And a person with measles can pass along an infection before they develop a fever, cough, rash, or other signs of the illness. About 1 in 5 people with measles end up hospitalized, 1 in 10 develop ear infections (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opinion/vaccine-hesitancy.html) that can lead to permanent hearing loss, and about 1 in 1,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/symptoms/complications.html) die from respiratory and neurological complications.

“I don’t know why the health department wouldn’t follow the CDC recommendations,” said Thresia Gambon, president of the Florida chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics and a pediatrician who practices in Miami and Broward, the county affected by the current measles outbreak. “Measles is so contagious. It is very worrisome.”

Considering the dangers of the disease, the vaccine is incredibly safe. A person is about four times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/opinion/vaccine-hesitancy.html) as likely to die from being struck by lightning during their lifetime in the United States as to have a potentially life-threatening allergic reaction to the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine.

Nonetheless, last year a record number (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/coverage/schoolvaxview/data-reports/index.html) of parents filed for exemptions from school vaccine requirements on religious or philosophical grounds across the United States. The CDC reported that childhood immunization rates hit a 10-year low (https://kffhealthnews.org/news/article/anti-science-vaccines-politics-polarization-partisanship-2024-elections/).

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Civilizational toll, tbh.

Wrecked public health, still wrecking minds.


Taken together, these studies show that COVID-19 poses a serious risk to brain health, even in mild cases, and the effects are now being revealed at the population level.

A recent analysis of the U.S. Current Population Survey showed that after the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, an additional 1 million working-age Americans reported having “serious difficulty” remembering, concentrating or making decisions than at any time in the preceding 15 years. Most disconcertingly, this was mostly driven by younger adults between the ages of 18 to 44.

Data from the European Union shows a similar trend – in 2022, 15% of people in the EU reported memory and concentration issues.

Looking ahead, it will be critical to identify who is most at risk. A better understanding is also needed of how these trends might affect the educational attainment of children and young adults and the economic productivity of working-age adults. And the extent to which these shifts will influence the epidemiology of dementia and Alzheimer’s disease is also not clear.

The growing body of research now confirms that COVID-19 should be considered a virus with a significant impact on the brain. The implications are far-reaching, from individuals experiencing cognitive struggles to the potential impact on populations and the economy.https://theconversation.com/mounting-research-shows-that-covid-19-leaves-its-mark-on-the-brain-including-with-significant-drops-in-iq-scores-224216

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Civilizational toll, tbh.

Wrecked public health, still wrecking minds.

https://theconversation.com/mounting-research-shows-that-covid-19-leaves-its-mark-on-the-brain-including-with-significant-drops-in-iq-scores-224216

Boiled down:

Trump killed 400k
Biden killed over 3/4 of a million...AND COUNTING.

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The big news is that COVID shots appear to confer protection against DVTs, pulmonary embolisms, strokes and heart attacks.


As we recently hit—March 11, 2020—the 4-year anniversary of when WHO finally declared Covid a global pandemic, and today, March 13th, when the US declared it a national emergency, we’re still learning every day about SARS-CoV-2’s impact, its evolution, protection from vaccination, and more. Here’s a quick summary of what I think is worth reviewing:

Impact

The global excess mortality has reached about 30 million lost lives (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-economist-single-entity) attributable to Covid, and the Global Burden of Disease published a major paper (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00476-8/fulltext)this week in The Lancet on the toll it has taken for reducing life expectancy in 204 countries summarized as "The COVID-19 pandemic caused the most severe drops in life expectancy seen in 50+ years." (https://www.healthdata.org/research-analysis/library/mortality-life-expectancy-and-population) The study did not address disability among survivors, with multiple concurrent studies reinforcing the prevalence of Long Covid in tens of millions of people.

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Here in the United States, it is striking to review the updated data on partisan gap death rates, as reflected by counties who voted Republican in the 2020 election. As you can see below from Ashley Wu (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/briefing/covid-pandemic-anniversary.html), graphics editor at the New York Times, the curves are continuing to diverge, both weekly and cumulatively. There was no divergence when vaccines were first administered (right panel below) but since that time the death rates continue to worsen in counties with 70%+ Republican voters compared with <30%.

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Multiple state level data, such as Washington’s below, indicate the protection from death with a booster, almost halving the rate in people age 65 and older

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Evolution of the Virus






The JN.1 variant took over globally and a number of subvariants (JN.1.11.1, JN.1.18, JN.1.13, JN.1.18 (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions)) are showing up with added spike mutations such as R346T and F456L, but without signs of wastewater levels on the rise or other concerning metrics.

But BA.2.87.1, as mapped below (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24002925), is the major “Omicron-like” event out there that has been the subject of 5 recent papers/preprints (here (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24002925), here (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.11.583978v1), here, (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.02.27.582254v1)here (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.07.583823v1)and here (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.10.584306v1)). That, in itself, should tell you it’s a variant of interest. It’s chock full of new mutations compared with the variants that came long previously, and many of these are deletions (blue below)..

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In itself, it is not a threat as there’s no sign it is more immunoevasive or transmissible. In fact, the consensus it that it’s less evasive of our immune response, the current booster works to achieve good levels of neutralizing antibodies, and some of the monoclonal antibodies that were previously found to be resistant to earlier variants my be effective again. That’s great news. But as Yunlong Cao and his team appropriately warned us, “BA.2.87.1 may not become widespread until it acquires multiple [receptor binding domain] RBD mutations to achieve sufficient immune evasion comparable to that of JN.1.” (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.07.583823v1)

It’s much too early to know whether (and when) this will take place, but after 4 years if there’s anything to predict, it is that the virus will find its way (through selection) to infect more hosts and repeat human hosts.

Protection from Vaccines

A big study was reported (https://heart.bmj.com/content/early/2024/01/24/heartjnl-2023-323483) yesterday that addressed the question of protection from Covid shots against blood clots—deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism, heart attacks, strokes, and heart failure. The data are from 3 countries—UK, Spain and Estonia, from electronic health records of over 20 million people. All these outcomes were reduced by prior Covid vaccination compared with no vaccination, especially in the first 30 days after an infection, but many showed durable protection out to 1 year follow-up (stroke, TIA, heart failure, DVT, PE).

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This is different from the 40-50% protection of vaccinations vs Long Covid symptoms. It’s specifically addressing major cardiovascular outcome protection from being vaccinated. Major welcome news!

One More Thing

I remain very disappointed and surprised by the recent change (1 March) of CDC policy towards isolation, without regard to using rapid antigen tests. Their own data shows that at least 1 in 3 people will still be infectious at 5 days after symptom onset! (https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/background/index.html)That’s by culturable virus, the gold standard, which tracks very closely with the rapid tests. To reduce infecting others, especially high risk vulnerable individuals, no less adding to the toll of Long Covid, rapid tests should be used before people circulate.

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Covid, 4 years on - by Eric Topol - Ground Truths (substack.com) (https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-4-years-on)

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The big news is that COVID shots appear to confer protection against DVTs, pulmonary embolisms, strokes and heart attacks.

Covid, 4 years on - by Eric Topol - Ground Truths (substack.com) (https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-4-years-on)

Americans Trump killed: 400k
Americans Biden killed: 3/4 of a million. & counting.

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Americans Trump killed: 400k
Americans Biden killed: 3/4 of a million. & counting.

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Aside: viruses aren't all bad.

In fact, scientists don't know what most of them do.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/dna-that-was-once-a-virus-now-helps-make-a-key-protein-for-nerve-cells/

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Aside: viruses aren't all bad.

In fact, scientists don't know what most of them do.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/dna-that-was-once-a-virus-now-helps-make-a-key-protein-for-nerve-cells/

But we knew precisely what COVID was gonna do: ("Mr. President (Hussein/Trump/Biden), Americans are going to die. Nothing will touch it.")---and could do nothing about it.

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'Tis a mystery


A record number of people who are economically inactive due to ill-health mean that Britain remains the only G7 economy yet to return to pre-pandemic employment levels, but fast falling inflation means that real wages are growing at their fastest rate outside the pandemic in nearly five years, the Resolution Foundation said today (Tuesday).

The latest ONS labour market statistics – including the return of the labour force survey after a four month absence – showed a cooling labour market, an-inflation driven boost to real pay packets, and rising long-term sickness continuing to hold back growth.

The labour market continues to cool slightly, with the number of job vacancies fell for the 19th consecutive month and nominal pay growth weakening, although employment also nudged up.

Private sector nominal regular pay rose only 2.5 per cent at an annualised rate in the three months to December – a rate the Bank of England will be comfortable with. But with inflation falling even faster than wage growth, real regular wages grew by 1.8 per cent in the three months to December – the strongest level of growth outside of the pandemic since October 2019.

However, the Foundation cautions that unless the UK begins to see productivity growth, this mini real wage revival is likely to prove short-lived.

The combination of a cooling labour market and rising inactivity mean that the employment rate is flatlining around 75 per cent – below its pre-pandemic rate of 76 per cent. Policy makers will be particularly concerned about long-term sickness rising to a record 2.8 million – a trend that, unless addressed, will put a brake on Britain’s jobs recovery, put pressure on the public finances and NHS, and limit people’s economic opportunities.
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/press-releases/rising-sickness-holds-back-return-to-pre-pandemic-employment-levels-but-real-wages-enjoy-a-mini-revival/

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'Tis a mystery

https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/press-releases/rising-sickness-holds-back-return-to-pre-pandemic-employment-levels-but-real-wages-enjoy-a-mini-revival/

Been waitin', on ya, Winester, since mid-week. Bout time...Let us proceed...

Massive New COVID Report Details Horrifying Cost Of Fauci’s FailuresIan Miller (https://www.outkick.com/person/m/ian-miller)
PublishedMarch 21, 2024 5:15 PM EDT|UpdatedMarch 21, 2024 5:15 PM EDT

In the post-pandemic period of COVID, there's now a concerted effort to understand and explain the damage that was caused by our hysterical overreaction. There's a long list of policy failures to examine; mask mandates (https://www.amazon.com/Unmasked-Global-Failure-COVID-Mandates/dp/1637583761)were a disaster that accomplished nothing of value and led to tremendous harms, many of which continue today.
Children were forced into masks for years on end, millions of people still wear masks when traveling or inside stores and restaurants, permanently convinced of the lie that masks are effective prevention tools. Perhaps most ominously, healthcare workers are often still required to mask in blue cities. Some hospitals have required masking continuously since 2020, while others are now enforcing rolling mandates (https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Control-COVID-19-Collapse-Expertise/dp/1637589786) based on the delusions of administrators.
It gets worse though. Much, much worse.
Research into the economic cost of many of our COVID policies and mandates is still ongoing, but a new, extremely detailed report on school closures (https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/research/docs/Hanushek-Strauss_WebreadyPDF_240229.pdf) has created a horrifying context for just how damaging Anthony Fauci's (https://www.outkick.com/category/dr-anthony-fauci) advocacy was during the pandemic.


All Of Our COVID Policies FailedThe research opens with an obvious acknowledgment of failure on the part of COVID mandates. Despite wildly different policies, there was virtually no difference in outcomes between countries.



"From the available evidence, it is difficult to identify the specific responses to the pandemic that led to better outcomes," they write. "Countries clearly responded to the challenges in very different ways, from essentially no school closures (Sweden) to multiple years of closures (Uganda and Indonesia). Yet, simple statistics such as the length of school closures or overall health policies cannot explain much of the variance in outcomes."
Lockdowns, mask mandates, vaccine passports…none of it mattered or explains the variance in outcomes between countries. Why? The obvious answer is that none of these policies had the slightest chance of preventing transmission of a highly infectious respiratory virus.
Instead, the likely explanation for variance in outcomes is down to differences in accounting for COVID cases and deaths, underlying health and age demographics, or pre-existing immunity from exposure to similar coronaviruses. That last explanation was almost certainly the reason why countries in Asia performed much better than western countries during the early part of the pandemic, but was conveniently ignored in favor of "experts" maintaining the wishful thinking that "mask culture" was responsible.
Regardless of the explanation, the fact that there is no consistent factor to attribute better outcomes to is in itself an indictment of our COVID policies and mandates. If it's impossible to predict why a country did better or worse than another country, any justification for continued restrictions disappears. If only someone told Fauci or his allies in the public health establishment in 2020-2021 when they forcefully criticized anyone, like Ron DeSantis (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/ron-desantis), who realized that reality.


School Closures Caused Unimaginable HarmsThe researchers spent most of their time attempting to assess the damage caused by one of the pandemic's most inexcusable policies: school closures. And the results of their estimates are jaw-dropping.



"Based on the available research on lifetime earnings associated with more skills, the average student in school during the pandemic will lose 5 to 6 percent of lifetime earnings," they found. "Because a lower-skilled workforce leads to lower economic growth, the nation will lose some $31 trillion (in present value terms) during the twenty-first century. This aggregate economic loss is higher than the US GDP for one year and dwarfs the total economic losses from either the slowdown of the economy during the pandemic or from the 2008 recession."
That's not a misprint: $31 trillion.
Teachers unions, Fauci, the CDC, politicians, they all ensured that the American economy will be decimated in the next century because they refused to admit they were wrong. As cost of living skyrockets thanks to rampant inflation, also caused by our incompetence and malicious, purposeful ignorance, children forced to learn under school closures will be irreparably set back, costing themselves hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of earned income throughout their lives.
It's easy to suggest that maybe these harms could be erased or mitigated over time. The researchers addressed that too, without providing much hope for the future.
"Finally, we provide a few observations about recovery from the learning losses. History suggests that these losses are likely to be permanent unless the schools become better than they were before the pandemic," they conclude.



With incompetent political activists like Randi Weingarten controlling schools, disgraceful DEI policies infiltrating every aspect of public education, the lack of acknowledgment from Fauci and other organizations that COVID mandates were a failure, and the complete ideologcal capture of the education system, it's impossible to reasonably expect that schools will ever "become better than they were."
The damage they caused is locked in, forever.
Once Again, Florida Provides The AlternativeImportantly, school closures didn't affect everywhere equally. In far left states like California, New York, New Jersey and Illinois, school closures persisted well into 2021.
But Florida was one of the few states, and perhaps the only big one, to make reopening schools a priority. Despite the objections of teachers unions and media outlets that attempted to label the governor as "DeathSantis."
And it's going to pay off, relatively speaking. A figure presented in the research shows that Florida's economic state loss in GDP is nearly equal to Pennsylvania, despite a population that's nearly 75% bigger than Pennsylvania. And California's estimated losses, roughly $1.3 trillion, are more than 116% higher than Florida, much larger than the population difference. Similarly, New York's economic losses far exceed Florida's, despite a smaller population.




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DeSantis followed the actual science, listened to competent outside expert advisors, and his state is set to benefit in the future massively as a result, when compared to other major states. It's, yet again, another indictment of the blue states that followed the Fauci blueprint to economic disaster.
And make no mistake, this is a disaster.
No Accountability For FailureThe researchers compared the learning loss trainwreck to the 2008 recession, showing that the COVID response is responsible for substantially more damage than even that economic cycle.
"The lopsided attention to the business-cycle losses from the 2008 recession and from the pandemic is startling once we see the comparable pandemic learning loss figures," they wrote. "The economic losses from the loss of human capital are fully six times the total losses from the 2008 recession, which was labeled the largest recession since the Great Depression."
Six times the total losses from the 2008 recession, already considered one of the worst in modern economic history. All because Fauci and his band of "experts" seized an opportunity to enforce their view of control onto society. And because they refused to admit failure when many were desperately trying to make them.



It's an inexcusable, historic set of decisions with lasting consequences both in soft cultural terms and harder economic ones. $31 trillion is the loss of GDP just from school closures. That doesn't even account for the loss of business income, the years-long set back in terms of new business, or the loss of GDP from adults who gave up on career plans or other pursuits out of despair or lack of opportunity.
The damage the "experts" caused is incalculable. But attempts to calculate it have come up with horrifying estimates. And not one of those responsible is willing to acknowledge it.

~~~~~~~~~

"How's that for wet work, huh?"

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

Mass infection = mass disability

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[Winehole23]

There is some good news, Novavax appears to be more durable than mRNA vaccines.

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[Thread]

Mass infection = mass disability

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And that old fuck swearin' on the Bible..."I'll shut it down."

tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

G0ykzh47q8

[koriwhat]

LOL at all you mindless drones who took those death jabs multiple times too. :lmao

See yall on the other side you fucking lemmings. :lol

[Thread]

LOL at all you mindless drones who took those death jabs multiple times too. :lmao

See yall on the other side you fucking lemmings. :lol

kori

[ChumpDumper]

LOL at all you mindless drones who took those death jabs multiple times too. :lmao

See yall on the other side you fucking lemmings. :lol

:lol what do you think will happen?

How long have you been predicting death for us?

3 years?:lmao

[Thread]

:lol what do you think will happen?

How long have you been predicting death for us?

3 years?:lmao

And within those 3 years..."Shut it down Biden" killed more than 3/4 of a million American with this COVID...and counting.
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[pgardn]

:lol what do you think will happen?

How long have you been predicting death for us?

3 years?:lmao

Tat-twat.
We are still alive and well.
Your group, especially the older group, got fkd up.
Thats the way it has gone.
It does not matter what you want to dream up from a real accounting.
You spear headed a group that still leads to more death, right through Biden's presidency.

[Thread]

Tat-twat.
We are still alive and well.
Your group, especially the older group, got fkd up.
Thats the way it has gone.
It does not matter what you want to dream up from a real accounting.
You spear headed a group that still leads to more death, right through Biden's presidency.

...especially thru Biden's presidency...

Trump: 400k dead Americans.
Biden: 3/4 of million dead Americans and counting.

[koriwhat]

Tat-twat.
We are still alive and well.
Your group, especially the older group, got fkd up.
Thats the way it has gone.
It does not matter what you want to dream up from a real accounting.
You spear headed a group that still leads to more death, right through Biden's presidency.

My group? Is that the same as claiming I'm a Trumper? Just more make believe by the baby regressives like yourself.

You're such a fucking bitch PG.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Joey trying to deny his Trumplove.

[Winehole23]

Credit where credit is due, four years later: Sen. Loeffler accidentally turned out to be right.

Along with the Trump lockdowns and the Trump bailouts, the Trump vaccine saved millions of lives.

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Credit where credit is due, four years later: Sen. Loeffler accidentally turned out to be right.

Along with the Trump lockdowns and the Trump bailouts, the Trump vaccine saved millions of lives.

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...minus the 3/4 of a million Americans lives that "I'll shut it down!" Biden took.

& we're still a countin', Winester.

[Thread]

:lol Joey trying to deny his Trumplove.

Not me, Dumper, no sir...you couldn't drag me away.

[Ef-man]

Yam Tits :lol

https://x.com/BidenHQ/status/1790103263485780104

[Thread]

Trump killed 400k Americans.
Biden killed 3/4 of a million Americans. & counting.

tee, hee.

[pgardn]

:lol Joey trying to deny his Trumplove.

Tat-twat and the unvaccinated took a bitch slapping.
Lost an election AND compromised.

“that vax will kill me!” Then the virus took those tools to the woodshed.

[Thread]

Tat-twat and the unvaccinated took a bitch slapping.
Lost an election AND compromised.

“that vax will kill me!” Then the virus took those tools to the woodshed.


Trump killed 400k Americans.
Biden killed 3/4 of a million Americans. & counting.

tee, hee.

[Joseph Kony]

COVID vaccines, mandates, and lockdowns all happened under Trump's watch

Never forget

[pgardn]

^^^^^^^^

Trump eating ivermectin?

[Thread]

COVID vaccines, mandates, and lockdowns all happened under Trump's watch

Never forget

Absolutely.

[Ef-man]

COVID vaccines, mandates, and lockdowns all happened under Trump's watch

Never forget

The Chyna flu

[Thread]

The Chyna flu

Biden too!!!

[Thread]

^^^^^^^^

Trump eating ivermectin?

Trump killed 400k Americans.
Biden killed 3/4 of a million Americans. & counting.

[Winehole23]

Methods: We used a cohort of US Marines from a previous longitudinal, prospective observational study of acute SARS-CoV-2, most of whom were enrolled prior to infection. A panel study was established to assess for post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC), defined as symptoms at least 4 weeks after symptom onset or diagnosis. Symptoms were assessed through questionnaires and validated quality of health metrics. Periodic US Marine Corps fitness testing metrics provided an additional standardized functional assessment and were compared to a pre-pandemic cohort.

Results: A total of 197/798 (24.7%) study participants developed PASC. Among these, the most prevalent symptoms were loss of taste and/or smell (n=82; 41.6%), shortness of breath (n=74; 37.6%), and cough (n=45; 22.8%). Those with PASC had higher rates and severity of somatic (p<0.001), general depressive (p<0.001), and anxiety (p=0.005) symptoms. Compared to a historic cohort of Marines, participants with PASC scored worse on their physical fitness assessments due to slower run times (p=0.002). Those with PASC continued to have decreased physical performance one year after completing initial training.

Discussion: In this population of healthy young adult US Marines with mostly either asymptomatic or mild acute COVID-19, one fourth reported physical, cognitive, or psychiatric long-term sequelae of infection. The Marines affected with PASC showed evidence of long-term decrease in functional performance suggesting that SARS-CoV-2 infection may negatively affect health for a significant proportion of young adults. l (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4854879)ink (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4854879)

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[/FONT][/COLOR] l (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4854879)ink (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4854879)


Trump killed 400k Americans.
Biden killed 3/4 of a million Americans. & counting.

[Ef-man]

[/FONT][/COLOR] l (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4854879)ink (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4854879)

Has Yam Tits come up with a story about a sinking boat filled with the Chyna flu and baby sharks in the water yet?

[clambake]

Has Yam Tits come up with a story about a sinking boat filled with the Chyna flu and baby sharks in the water yet?

He’s trying to wedge in “wind farms cause cancer, people are talking about it” lol

[Thread]

Has Yam Tits come up with a story about a sinking boat filled with the Chyna flu and baby sharks in the water yet?

No, but I got this for ya's...

Trump killed 400k Americans.
Biden killed 3/4 of a million Americans. & counting.

[Thread]

He’s trying to wedge in “wind farms cause cancer, people are talking about it” lol

Are ye showin' up tomorrow evening, fart-face?

[Winehole23]

It never ended, tbh.

3rd leading cause of death in the US last year, behind heart disease and cancer, but honestly, the ongoung wave of COVID-related disabilty is more disruptive and costly.

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[Winehole23]

Biden's response to COVID has been democidal, head in the sand dogshit.

[Thread]

Biden's response to COVID has been democidal, head in the sand dogshit.

And after placing his hand on the Good Book and swearing to "Shut it down." Biden killed over 3/4 of a million Americans and we're still counting.

Trump: 400k killed.
Biden: 3/4 of a million killed...and counting.

[Winehole23]

tis a mystery


Cognitive disability emerged as the most prevalent disability in the United States in 2022, affecting 13.9% of adults. This is according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s annual update to the Disability and Health Data System (https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/s0716-Adult-disability.html) (DHDS) released last week.

On a broader level, more than 1 in 4 adults in the United States, totaling more than 70 million people, reported having a disability in 2022, DHDS said.
link (https://www.mcknights.com/news/cdc-report-cognitive-disability-tops-list-of-disabilities-in-us-adults/)

[Thread]

tis a mystery

link (https://www.mcknights.com/news/cdc-report-cognitive-disability-tops-list-of-disabilities-in-us-adults/)

And it serves Joe right to suffer "Cognitive disability" due to COVID after swearing on that Good Book that he'd shut it down.

As our Effy states categorically...Fuck Around///Find Out.

Joe is standing there a quitter in front of President Trump who came within less than a quarter inch of Kingdom Come because the SS stood down in PA..

American Democracy, ha!!!

[Winehole23]

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https://x.com/JeromeAdamsMD/status/1817174232025231808

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1817174232025231808

https://x.com/JeromeAdamsMD/status/1817174232025231808

Who gives a good shit, Winester? It's all crooked lines to get in there, men posing as women, country sabotaging country, cheating, doping,

GIGO.

[Winehole23]

COVID summer surge 2024: Symptoms and treatment tips | Fortune Well (https://fortune.com/well/article/covid-summer-surge-2024-symptoms-treatment-isolation-guidelines/)


In the U.S., infections, emergency room visits, and deaths are all on the rise. Test positivity (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeaths_testpositivity_00) was projected to exceed 16% the week ended July 27, per the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That’s higher than any other summer surge since the pandemic began in 2020.

[Winehole23]

It never ended, tbh.

3rd leading cause of death in the US last year, behind heart disease and cancer, but honestly, the ongoung wave of COVID-related disabilty is more disruptive and costly.

1678608366300549120slipping to #10 projected, this year

[Winehole23]

long tail risk

About 400 Million People Worldwide Have Had Long Covid, Researchers Say - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/09/health/long-covid-world.html)

[Winehole23]

mandatory vaccination in South Korea


Just four months after fully shifting to an endemic approach to COVID-19, the government is now resuming its vaccination program to help contain the virus amid a resurgence in cases.

According to health authorities on Sunday, the number of patients hospitalized for the new COVID variant, KP.3, has increased sharply in many parts of Korea over the past several weeks, prompting officials to take necessary measures to minimize damage.

Data released by the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency (KDCA) shows the number of people admitted to 220 hospitals nationwide for COVID-19 jumped to 861 in the first week of August from 148 in the second week of July.

The total number of cases is unknown. But the agency said the results of its sampling showed that 39.2 percent of respiratory virus pathogens were COVID-19, up from 13.6 percent during that period, with the particular variant accounting for nearly half of all cases.
link (https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/08/113_380344.html)

[pgardn]

I would humbly ask for a roll call for this thread.

1. Who on this board used ivermectin in place of a vaccine or as a symptom reducer for covid?

2. And also names of posters who most likely used ivermectin as judged by responses from those posters. This is where other posters can add names of the peeps they think probably did use Ivermectin based on responses.

So two lists. I would just like a survey of sorts.
Im asking for the second list as I dont think posters are honest enough to come forward on the first list.
On your own time.

I will start

2. Dr. Darrin

[koriwhat]

I would humbly ask for a roll call for this thread.

1. Who on this board used ivermectin in place of a vaccine or as a symptom reducer for covid?

2. And also names of posters who most likely used ivermectin as judged by responses from those posters. This is where other posters can add names of the peeps they think probably did use Ivermectin based on responses.

So two lists. I would just like a survey of sorts.
Im asking for the second list as I dont think posters are honest enough to come forward on the first list.
On your own time.

I will start

2. Dr. Darrin

Who cares what others have used and if they did, or didn't, use IM and are still alive today what's that make you prick boy other than a scared little sheep lining up for you shots?

I've never gotten the CHINA VIRUS and don't intend to ever use IM. Maybe, I'm just one of the lucky ones.

How many Fauci ouchies have you gotten PG? What's your booster count up to now sheep boy?

[koriwhat]

long tail risk

About 400 Million People Worldwide Have Had Long Covid, Researchers Say - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/09/health/long-covid-world.html)

Has any other "disease" been deemed with "long" version months after its inception? What's "long" exactly? I mean we're only 3+yrs out from the vax so...

[ChumpDumper]

:lol joey just angry because we all lived.

[Winehole23]

The risk of cognitive decline and dementia in older adults diagnosed with COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis. - ScienceDirect (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1568163724002666)


This study indicates that cognitive impairment may be an important sequela of COVID-19. Further research with adequate sample sizes is warranted regarding COVID-19’s association with new-onset dementia and dementia progression, and the effect of repeat infections. There is a need for development of diagnostic and management protocols for COVID-19 patients with cognitive impairment.

[Winehole23]

must be pretty bad if they're recommending masks

1824113936465023131https://x.com/CAPublicHealth/status/1824113936465023131

[koriwhat]

Looks like it's making its rounds again. My client yesterday told me his brother was down and out rn with Covid. I heard the same from a few others a week ago. Be careful out there!

[Winehole23]

Tennessee and Alabama have also seen schools close due to COVID


San Perlita ISD cancels classes due to COVID-19 cases | KVEO-TV (valleycentral.com) (https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/san-perlita-isd-cancels-classes-due-to-covid-19-cases/)

The San Perlita Independent School District is cancelling classes for the rest of the week due to students and staff testing positive for COVID-19, the district announced.

“We have taken this measure to minimize continued exposure,” the district posted on it’s Facebook.

Due to “numerous” individuals testing positive for COVID-19, all after school and extracurricular activities are also canceled through this weekend.

[Winehole23]

the cost of pretending it isn't there is steep


New data shows long Covid is keeping as many as 4 million people out of work (brookings.edu) (https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-data-shows-long-covid-is-keeping-as-many-as-4-million-people-out-of-work/)

This June, the Census Bureau finally added four questions (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/pulse/long-covid.htm) about long Covid to its Household Pulse Survey (HPS), giving researchers a better understanding of the condition’s prevalence. This report uses the new data to assess the labor market impact and economic burden of long Covid, and finds that:



Around 16 million working-age Americans (those aged 18 to 65) have long Covid today.
Of those, 2 to 4 million are out of work due to long Covid.
The annual cost of those lost wages alone is around $170 billion a year (and potentially as high as $230 billion).

[baseline bum]

the cost of pretending it isn't there is steep

Meh it's endemic; we're stuck with it until the end of humanity. Asking every building in the world to put in expensive air filtration systems in unrealistic and wouldn't kill the virus anyways. At this point I ignore it other than getting yearly boosters and not going out in public when I'm sick because there is nothing else that can be done with it. Like Osterholm said, trying to stop this virus would be like trying to stop the wind.

[Winehole23]

Meh it's endemic; we're stuck with it until the end of humanity. Asking every building in the world to put in expensive air filtration systems in unrealistic and wouldn't kill the virus anyways. At this point I ignore it other than getting yearly boosters and not going out in public when I'm sick because there is nothing else that can be done with it. Like Osterholm said, trying to stop this virus would be like trying to stop the wind.Air filtration mitigates disease, all that's lacking right now is the political will, engineering solutions are there to sanitize indoor air.

It's a good thing we didn't think the same thing about cholera. It was for sure expensive and complicated to run clean running water nearly everywhere, but in the end, worth it.

[baseline bum]

Air filtration mitigates disease, all that's lacking right now is the political will, engineering solutions are there to sanitize indoor air.

It's a good thing we didn't think the same thing about cholera. It was for sure expensive and complicated to run clean running water nearly everywhere, but in the end, worth it.

You can't seriously be comparing high end air filtration systems for every building in the world to having public water and sewage utilities.

[SnakeBoy]

Meh it's endemic; we're stuck with it until the end of humanity. Asking every building in the world to put in expensive air filtration systems in unrealistic and wouldn't kill the virus anyways. At this point I ignore it other than getting yearly boosters and not going out in public when I'm sick because there is nothing else that can be done with it. Like Osterholm said, trying to stop this virus would be like trying to stop the wind.

Nice to see you return to reality bb. Has Osterholm done the same? I quit listening to him when he changed his tune and went along with the phony narrative.

[baseline bum]

Nice to see you return to reality bb. Has Osterholm done the same? I quit listening to him when he changed his tune and went along with the phony narrative.

Having vaccines widely available is the difference now. The US fucked up badly in not slowing spread before the vaccines when this virus was killing people left and right here while other rich nations were doing far better. Haven't really listened to Osterholm lately though as once I got the second shot plus a couple of weeks time delay I started living life as normal (except work from home, I'm never giving that up after starting it in the pandemic).

[Winehole23]

You can't seriously be comparing high end air filtration systems for every building in the world to having public water and sewage utilities.Seriously, yes.

Indoor air is (or could be) the equivalent to water sanitation in the 20st century -- 90% of people work indoors and approximately 100% of their kids go to schools.

This isn't purely about COVID, airborne diseases have a big cost, in the long run the benefit could be correspondingly large.

[baseline bum]

Seriously, yes.

Indoor air is (or could be) the equivalent to water sanitation in the 20st century -- 90% of people work indoors and approximately 100% of their kids go to schools.

This isn't purely about COVID, airborne diseases have a big cost, in the long run the benefit could be correspondingly large.

Don't really see how indoor air is easily controllable by public utilities the same way water and sewage are when the city owns the pipes and the treatment plants. Are you going to mandate everyone buys big air filtering units, runs them all day, constantly buys new HEPA filters, and takes the hit on their electric bill every month? What's the plan here and how would you even enforce it?

[Winehole23]

Don't really see how indoor air is easily controllable by public utilities the same way water and sewage are when the city owns the pipes and the treatment plants. Are you going to mandate everyone buys big air filtering units, runs them all day, constantly buys new HEPA filters, and takes the hit on their electric bill every month? What's the plan here and how would you even enforce it?write it into building codes and offer tax incentives. as adoption ramps up, economies of scale will eventually bring down the cost and companies themselves will bank the gains -- much less productivity lost to sickness and premature death.

[baseline bum]

write it into building codes and offer tax incentives. as adoption ramps up, economies of scale will eventually bring down the cost and companies themselves will bank the gains -- much less productivity lost to sickness and premature death.

Too much faith in capitalism there tbh

[pgardn]

Seriously, yes.

Indoor air is (or could be) the equivalent to water sanitation in the 20st century -- 90% of people work indoors and approximately 100% of their kids go to schools.

This isn't purely about COVID, airborne diseases have a big cost, in the long run the benefit could be correspondingly large.

Its particulate matter as well as biologically produced disease.
Beijing is as bad as London and might have had a killer smog event much like the 1950s in London.
We need to clean the air of particulate matter by not producing so much from industry.
London has been bad for a very long time. All the way back to the 14th century. We have seen this shit before, we can change this.

The red team just likes to wade in shit I guess. And then talk about their big house away from the city. "Im ok. so quit complaining"

[pgardn]

Meh it's endemic; we're stuck with it until the end of humanity. Asking every building in the world to put in expensive air filtration systems in unrealistic and wouldn't kill the virus anyways. At this point I ignore it other than getting yearly boosters and not going out in public when I'm sick because there is nothing else that can be done with it. Like Osterholm said, trying to stop this virus would be like trying to stop the wind.

It really is not the same virus symptom wise (especially as far as the quicker killing via the respiratory system) The long term effects of the newer viruses, that are not as virulent, might still have long term effects. Structurally, it clearly came from the first few waves we saw most likely in China.

Where is has the virus being produced in a Chinese lab gone I wonder?

It has, evolved to a number of new forms with a number of old forms also just dying out. Its complicated but we have a better picture now.
And there is NO DOUBT the vaccine was incredibly successful. Only a Joey moron who does not read could dream up his own science on this.

[SnakeBoy]

Seriously, yes.

Indoor air is (or could be) the equivalent to water sanitation in the 20st century -- 90% of people work indoors and approximately 100% of their kids go to schools.

This isn't purely about COVID, airborne diseases have a big cost, in the long run the benefit could be correspondingly large.

https://www.windowworldct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ww-connecticut-window-fix-doublehung-light.gif

[pgardn]

https://www.windowworldct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ww-connecticut-window-fix-doublehung-light.gif

Close it all in during the heat and especially the cold winters in all the social gatherings. Schools, churches, etc...
I still cant figure out why people are not allowed to smoke in indoor public places, have you?

[Winehole23]

https://www.windowworldct.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ww-connecticut-window-fix-doublehung-light.gifVentilation is awesome.

Schools used to have steam radiators and open windows during cold and flu season -- to make schools safer for kids after the Spanish flu epidemic.

Funny we haven't done anything comparable this time around.

[TSA]

It really is not the same virus symptom wise (especially as far as the quicker killing via the respiratory system) The long term effects of the newer viruses, that are not as virulent, might still have long term effects. Structurally, it clearly came from the first few waves we saw most likely in China.

Where is has the virus being produced in a Chinese lab gone I wonder?

It has, evolved to a number of new forms with a number of old forms also just dying out. Its complicated but we have a better picture now.
And there is NO DOUBT the vaccine was incredibly successful. Only a Joey moron who does not read could dream up his own science on this.

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441356212605332

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441363196420281

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441367202025678

[Winehole23]

old news, we already knew current mRNA vaccines aren't sterilizing, it didn't take long to figure out.

[Ef-man]

Qtsa with another conspiracy loser (anti-vax Hoeg) :lmao

Here are some reviews of Hoeg’s work:

"The authors don’t know what they are doing and they are following their own ideology," tweeted Boback Ziaeian, MD, PhD, assistant professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, Los Angeles, in the cardiology division. Ziaeian also tweeted, "I believe the CDC is doing honest work and not dredging slop like you are."

"Holy shit. Truly terrible methods in that paper," tweeted Michael Mina, MD, PhD, an epidemiologist and immunologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, Boston, more bluntly.

"Your methodology hugely overestimates risk, which many commentators who are specialists in the field have highlighted," tweeted Deepti Gurdasani, senior lecturer in epidemiology at Queen Mary University of London. "Why make this claim when you must know it's wrong?"

[Winehole23]

to exclude protection vs hospitalization paints a somewhat distorted picture of the situation, my silly opinion: it's good enough if it protects measurably against incapacitating disease. afaik it still does.

the emergence of a less toxic, possibly more stable protein based vaccine (NOVAVAX) now has emergency FDA approval too. I'm considering it, it'll soon be available in Texas.

(good god, check with your doctor first, I'm not one.)

[ChumpDumper]

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441356212605332

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441363196420281

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441367202025678

I think it would be useful for everyone for you to list the conspiracy theories you don't believe.

[Ef-man]

to exclude protection vs hospitalization paints a somewhat distorted picture of the situation, my silly opinion: it's good enough if it protects measurably against incapacitating disease. afaik it still does.

the emergence of a less toxic, possibly more stable protein based vaccine (NOVAVAX) now has emergency FDA approval too. I'm considering it, it'll soon be available in Texas.

(good god, check with your doctor first, I'm not one.)

Qtsa has a way of finding the fringe.

If 4 out of 5 dentists recommend chewing sugarless gum, qtsa will support the 5th dentist who recommends chewing cow manure.

[TSA]

Qtsa has a way of finding the fringe.



Remember when you were the only person in this thread believing and pushing the Racoon Dog theory? :lmao

https://theintercept.com/2023/05/10/covid-pandemic-origin-raccoon-dog/

[Ef-man]

Remember when you were the only person in this thread believing and pushing the Racoon Dog theory? :lmao

https://theintercept.com/2023/05/10/covid-pandemic-origin-raccoon-dog/

You still live in the fringe as most scientists have concluded that it is a zoonotic disease (transferred directly from an infected non-human animal). Similar to the SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV outbreaks and consistent with other pandemics in human history. It was not a result of a lab accident.

You always fall for the conspiracies. Must make for fun times with your family and friends.


The COVID lab-leak claim isn’t just an attack on science, but a threat to public health
https://itemlive.com/2024/08/16/the-covid-lab-leak-claim-isnt-just-an-attack-on-science-but-a-threat-to-public-health/

[TSA]

You still live in the fringe as most scientists have concluded that it is a zoonotic disease (transferred directly from an infected non-human animal). Similar to the SARS-CoV-1 and MERS-CoV outbreaks and consistent with other pandemics in human history. It was not a result of a lab accident.

You always fall for the conspiracies. Must make for fun times with your family and friends.


The COVID lab-leak claim isn’t just an attack on science, but a threat to public health
https://itemlive.com/2024/08/16/the-covid-lab-leak-claim-isnt-just-an-attack-on-science-but-a-threat-to-public-health/

YOU PUSHED THE RACCOON DOG THEORY :lmao :lmao :lmao

[pgardn]

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441356212605332

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441363196420281

https://x.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1834441367202025678

The vaccine made the symptoms much less severe AND shortened the time once infected to be greatly reduced so infecting someone else was reduced you dumb shit.
It was incredibly successful.

[pgardn]

YOU PUSHED THE RACCOON DOG THEORY :lmao :lmao :lmao

It makes more sense than it magically produced in a lab in China.
The virus WAS already present before any of these infections caused the disease we now know as Covid.
"Oh no. Nature could not have possible produced a virus via natural selection causing evolution, thats not how it works!"

[TSA]

The vaccine made the symptoms much less severe AND shortened the time once infected to be greatly reduced so infecting someone else was reduced you dumb shit.
It was incredibly successful.

This is looking at 2023-2024 you dumb shit.

[TSA]

It makes more sense than it magically produced in a lab in China.
The virus WAS already present before any of these infections caused the disease we now know as Covid.
"Oh no. Nature could not have possible produced a virus via natural selection causing evolution, thats not how it works!"

I’d forgotten how ignorant you were concerning this thanks for the reminder.

[pgardn]

I’d forgotten how ignorant you were concerning this thanks for the reminder.

Explain yourself.

You dont know what you are talking about.
Tell us about China and the virus again.
Do it.

[pgardn]

This is looking at 2023-2024 you dumb shit.

Great.

Its not the same virus.
There are a number of variants now and none are as severe respiratory system wise. Long term effects still to be determined.

[TSA]

Explain yourself.

You dont know what you are talking about.
Tell us about China and the virus again.
Do it.

You and I have done this before. You’re free to search this thread.

[pgardn]

This is looking at 2023-2024 you dumb shit.

So why did you put this with my post?
Are you saying the mRNA vaccines to Covid were not successful.
To the virus that was killing people worldwide because I was and you hooked them together trying to change this.
Go back to the pets getting eaten by immigrants. You did well there.

[TSA]

Great.


This is why discussing this with you is pointless. You freely admit you spout of without either a) reading the material or b) not comprehending the material

[pgardn]

You and I have done this before. You’re free to search this thread.

Then just admit you are wrong.

AGAiN.

[Ef-man]

YOU PUSHED THE RACCOON DOG THEORY :lmao :lmao :lmao

You obviously do not understand how zoonotic diseases work, so thanks for making that clear.

Among the board members with other than GED or HS education, you are pretty much alone fighting tooth and nail for the lab conspiracy.

I bet that your family and friends think you are cringy with all the conspiracies you harbor.

It must be weird as fuck to be you, believing all these batshit crazy conspiracies in your head.

You are always out there in the deep end of the insane; be it the various crazy hillary conspiracies, acid trip Q stories, and this!

I can honestly say I feel bad for your family for putting up with you.

Covid has a zoonotic origin, not much more can be said.

[TSA]

So why did you put this with my post?
Are you saying the mRNA vaccines to Covid were not successful.
To the virus that was killing people worldwide because I was and you hooked them together trying to change this.
Go back to the pets getting eaten by immigrants. You did well there.

Because you called the 2023-2024 vaccines incredibly successful when they clearly weren’t. Good god you are dumb as rocks.

[pgardn]

This is why discussing this with you is pointless. You freely admit you spout of without either a) reading the material or b) not comprehending the material

Feel free to try anything you can to get out of your stupidity.

Q, Chyna Virus, Pizza, Pets...

Just keep going. Its good for you.

[TSA]

You obviously do not understand how zoonotic diseases work, so thanks for making that clear.

Among the board members with other than GED or HS education, you are pretty much alone fighting tooth and nail for the lab conspiracy.

I bet that your family and friends think you are cringy with all the conspiracies you harbor.

It must be weird as fuck to be you, believing all these batshit crazy conspiracies in your head.

You are always out there in the deep end of the insane; be it the various crazy hillary conspiracies, acid trip Q stories, and this!

I can honestly say I feel bad for your family for putting up with you.

Covid has a zoonotic origin, not much more can be said.

RACCOON DOG :lmao :lmao :lmao

[pgardn]

Because you called the 2023-2024 vaccines incredibly successful when they clearly weren’t. Good god you are dumb as rocks.

Because its not the same vaccine or virus you idiot. Like I said.
The Virus and vaccine that this thread was started for WAS incredibly successful, especially in the US. And could have been even more successful if more people would have been vaccinated.

[pgardn]

RACCOON DOG :lmao :lmao :lmao

Still makes by far more sense than you idiocy.
You think the name Raccoon dog, which was examined as a culprit is a funny name, THEREFORE it must be a ridiculous possibility.
It WAS NOT.
Your theory says virus produced in a lab in Chyna when the virus was already present within animal and human populations.
Tell the board how the virus was created again.

[TSA]

Because its not the same vaccine or virus you idiot. Like I said.
The Virus and vaccine that this thread was started for WAS incredibly successful, especially in the US. And could have been even more successful if more people would have been vaccinated.

You quoted my post about the 2023-2024 vaccine results you dipshit. Like I just said you either don’t read what you quote or you don’t comprehend what you quote. Either way you’re an idiot that is impossible to have a coherent discussion with.

[pgardn]

You quoted my post about the 2023-2024 vaccine results you dipshit. Like I just said you either don’t read what you quote or you don’t comprehend what you quote. Either way you’re an idiot that is impossible to have a coherent discussion with.


Sure thing.
Q, Pizza, Chyna Virus, Pet eating immigrant...

In a way Id like you to stay on the board so we could all continue to enjoy your bizarre theories via your bizarre websites.
But a bets a bet. You brought a lot of hilarity to a wide spectrum of politics.

[Ef-man]

Sure thing.
Q, Pizza, Chyna Virus, Pet eating immigrant...

In a way Id like you to stay on the board so we could all continue to enjoy your bizarre theories via your bizarre websites.
But a bets a bet. You brought a lot of hilarity to a wide spectrum of politics.

Once Q says, zoonotic, watch qtsa change his position.

Cultists are like that.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is TSAnon acting like the vaccines are meant to stop infections and won't say fuck all about after the infection happens?

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXi1YLAXoAETTeM?format=jpg&name=4096x409615 red).&quot;To access the past scores table, please visit https://covid19resources.ca/covid-hazard-index">

[Winehole23]

In this wildly unethical challenge study, all the participants suffered measurable cognitive damage. None of them were aware of it.


1837950718881550401

https://x.com/danaludwig/status/1837950718881550401

[Winehole23]

SARS-CoV-2 causes brain cells to fuse


COVID-19 Can Cause Brain Cells To Fuse – Leading to Chronic “Long COVID” Neurological Symptoms (scitechdaily.com) (https://scitechdaily.com/covid-19-can-cause-brain-cells-to-fuse-leading-to-chronic-long-covid-neurological-symptoms/)

Scientists at The University of Queensland have discovered viruses such as SARS-CoV-2 can cause brain cells to fuse, initiating malfunctions that lead to chronic neurological symptoms.


Professor Massimo Hilliard and Dr. Ramon Martinez-Marmol from the Queensland Brain Institute have explored how viruses alter the function of the nervous system.


SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes , has been detected in the brains of people with ‘long COVID’ months after their initial infection.



https://scitechdaily.com/images/Fused-Neurons-Expressing-the-COVID-19-Spike-Protein-777x777.jpg
Image of fused neurons (yellow) expressing Spike S fusogen from the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the human receptor hACE2. Credit: The Authors




“We discovered COVID-19 causes neurons to undergo a cell fusion process, which has not been seen before,” Professor Hilliard said.


“After neuronal infection with SARS-CoV-2, the spike S protein becomes present in neurons, and once neurons fuse, they don’t die. They either start firing synchronously, or they stop functioning altogether.”


As an analogy, Professor Hilliard likened the role of neurons to that of wires connecting switches to the lights in a kitchen and a bathroom.


“Once fusion takes place, each switch either turns on both the kitchen and bathroom lights at the same time, or neither of them,” he said.


“It’s bad news for the two independent circuits.”

[Winehole23]

good argument in favor of vaccination and regular boosters -- they tend to keep you out of the hospital

1838740915642396686https://x.com/EricTopol/status/1838740915642396686

[Winehole23]

COVID is a vascular disease.


In a five-year-long study analysis over its cardiac patients, Aakash Healthcare has found that the cases of heart attacks jumped more than double after the pandemic, especially in adults under 40. Besides, the patient landing up in emergency jumped by 60 percent.

The study analysed 762 cases coming to the hospital in ward and emergency spanned into three distinct periods—pre COVID, during COVID, and post-COVID—each of 22 months, from May, 2018 to October, 2023.

Dr Harpeet Kaur, Medical Superintendent, Aakash Healthcare, said, “Study paints a worrying picture of cardiovascular risks amid a changing healthcare landscape. These statistics presents intriguing picture demanding investigation and proactive intervention”

The analysis dives deeper, revealing major trends within specific age groups. While all age brackets saw a rise in STEMI cases after COVID, the under-40 demographic saw a sharp rise, with a threefold increase compared to the pre-pandemic period.
Heart attacks among young adults doubled post-Covid: Study (newindianexpress.com) (https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2024/Sep/25/heart-attacks-among-young-adults-doubled-post-covid-study)

[pgardn]

COVID is a vascular disease.

Heart attacks among young adults doubled post-Covid: Study (newindianexpress.com) (https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2024/Sep/25/heart-attacks-among-young-adults-doubled-post-covid-study)

These highly variable symptoms is not surprising now that we know viruses can “attack” more than just cells of the respiratory system and closely associated anatomy ex. Nasal passages.
( droplets are clearly a very effective way of spreading to other hosts via the air)

Attacking neurons and cardio associated stuff most likely does not help the virus spread, but the virus and evolution don’t necessarily “care” about side effects.

[Winehole23]

These highly variable symptoms is not surprising now that we know viruses can “attack” more than just cells of the respiratory system and closely associated anatomy ex. Nasal passages.
( droplets are clearly a very effective way of spreading to other hosts via the air)

Attacking neurons and cardio associated stuff most likely does not help the virus spread, but the virus and evolution don’t necessarily “care” about side effects.ACE2 receptors are *everywhere* in the body

[Donald Sterling.]

Posting from the afterlife to tell everyone to get vaccinated.

Imagine being a vaxcuck in 2024 :lol

[Winehole23]

Posting from the afterlife to tell everyone to get vaccinated.

Imagine being a vaxcuck in 2024 :lolit's still a great idea. Novavax is available.

[pgardn]

ACE2 receptors are *everywhere* in the body

Makes sense this receptor might be based on all the virus is infecting.
I don’t even know what its function is in body cells.

Although I would add that different proteins specific for specific organs, tissues and cell types are also present. Some cancer treatments work by recognizing very specific expression of cell proteins on a particular cancer cell type. You would not a cancer therapy drug that recognized all your cells. This is why Trumps thoughts on killing the Covid virus with treatments that would kill all your cells was so stupid. And he was told how this virus stuff worked. “Yeah, just throw some Clorox at it… I know everything, I am THE expert.”

People in science will not forget how difficult it is to have a megalomaniac president like this. Never faced a president who already knew biology better than all of the biological science experts thrown together. I will never forget Birx lady about ready to keel over when Trump went into chaos blabbering mode and kept looking back at Birx for positive reinforcement and she just went shell mode eyes down.

Welcome to politics Ms Birx. You really want the job this badly. K. Try this out.

On to the Lithium Battery- Shark paradox.

[baseline bum]

Wow $201 for COVID vaccinations that the taxpayers funded all the research on. This country is such a piece of shit.

[Trainwreck2100]

Wow $201 for COVID vaccinations that the taxpayers funded all the research on. This country is such a piece of shit.

don't forget we can't sue when they fuck up the mix either

[baseline bum]

don't forget we can't sue when they fuck up the mix either

Only thing more American than socialized costs and privatized profits is watering the tree of liberty with the blood of dead children every few weeks at their schools.

[Trainwreck2100]

Only thing more American than socialized costs and privatized profits is watering the tree of liberty with the blood of dead children every few weeks at their schools.

come one now sometimes we use the blood of minorities at the grocery store

[Winehole23]

solid Buffalo reference

[baseline bum]

solid Buffalo reference

El Paso too

[Winehole23]

COVID is neurotropic




Here we show that fibrin binds to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, forming proinflammatory blood clots that drive systemic thromboinflammation and neuropathology in COVID-19. Fibrin, acting through its inflammatory domain, is required for oxidative stress and macrophage activation in the lungs, whereas it suppresses natural killer cells, after SARS-CoV-2 infection. Fibrin promotes neuroinflammation and neuronal loss after infection, as well as innate immune activation in the brain and lungs independently of active infection. A monoclonal antibody targeting the inflammatory fibrin domain provides protection from microglial activation and neuronal injury, as well as from thromboinflammation in the lung after infection. Thus, fibrin drives inflammation and neuropathology in SARS-CoV-2 infection, and fibrin-targeting immunotherapy may represent a therapeutic intervention for patients with acute COVID-19 and long COVID.Fibrin drives thromboinflammation and neuropathology in COVID-19 | Nature (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07873-4)

[Winehole23]

We discovered SARS-CoV-2 hijacks our coagulation cascade, and interferes with our clotting proteins, making them very inflammatory and damaging to the body and brain.

[DMX7]

I got to give credit to hater for calling this in January of 2020. This thing was totally off the radar in the US at that time -- nobody was taking it seriously here.

[Winehole23]

I got to give credit to hater for calling this in January of 2020. This thing was totally off the radar in the US at that time -- nobody was taking it seriously here.hater has become a stalwart denier since then

[Ef-man]

I got to give credit to hater for calling this in January of 2020. This thing was totally off the radar in the US at that time -- nobody was taking it seriously here.

Off the radar but on twitter (tater’s source)?????

The Chyna virus that Yam Tits and ST magas said was just the flu?

[Winehole23]

the chronic dimensions of COVID will be individually and socially expensive


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GZ9I2AQW4AAHZPO?format=jpg&name=largeLong COVID facts and findings: a large-scale online survey in 74,075 Chinese participants - The Lancet Regional Health – Western Pacific (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6065(24)00212-8/fulltext)

[Winehole23]

we do know that masking and social distancing were very effective in preventing the flu in 2020

apparently, that and acquired immunity were enough to eliminate a whole strain of flu -- Influenza B/Yamagata


This year’s flu shot will be missing a strain of influenza it’s protected against for more than a decade.

That’s because there have beenno confirmed (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccine-types/trivalent.html#:~:text=B%2FYamagata%20virus%20dete ctions,lineage%20viruses%20after%20March%202020.) flu cases caused by the Influenza B/Yamagata lineage since spring 2020. And the Food and Drug Administration decided this year that the strain now poses little to no threat to human health.

Scientists have concluded that widespread physical distancing and masking practiced during the early days of COVID-19 appear to have pushed (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-29402-5) B/Yamagata into oblivion (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9414795/).

This surprised many who study influenza, as it would be the first documented instance of a virus going extinct due to changes in human behavior, said Dr. Rebecca Wurtz (https://directory.sph.umn.edu/bio/sph-a-z/rebecca-wurtz), an infectious disease physician and epidemiologist at the University of Minnesota School of Public Health.

“It is such an interesting and unique story,” Wurtz said, adding that if it were not for COVID, B/Yamagata would still be circulating.

One reason COVID mitigation efforts were so effective at eliminating B/Yamagata is there was already a fair amount of immunity in the population against this strain of flu, which was also circulating at a lower level, said Dr. Kawsar Talaat (https://publichealth.jhu.edu/faculty/1954/kawsar-r-talaat), an infectious disease physician at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.This year's flu shot protects against 3 strains instead of 4 : Shots - Health News : NPR (https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/10/17/nx-s1-5155104/flu-shot-vaccine-b-yamagata-extinct)

[Winehole23]

COVID is associated with loss of bone density for hospitalized patients. Hope this isn't happening to kids.

1847467156385968152https://x.com/ejustin46/status/1847467156385968152

[Winehole23]

something happened


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVsywz-a8AEfnsa?format=jpg&name=large

[koriwhat]

LOL Look at this loser Asshole23 still pushing the China Virus... Bro, STFU! :lmao

[Winehole23]

LOL Look at this loser Asshole23 still pushing the China Virus... Bro, STFU! :lmaorampant, worldwide transmission

it's pushing us

[Winehole23]

Credit where credit is due, four years later: Sen. Loeffler accidentally turned out to be right.

Along with the Trump lockdowns and the Trump bailouts, the Trump vaccine saved millions of lives.

1260196565429497858

[Winehole23]

it's not going away.

it's not just respiratory. it's not just neurotropic.

it's vascular and systemic as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GaCSP91W0AE8FPB?format=png&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

Biden btw, is continuing to drop the ball on this, not that I expect any better from Trump.

He's still fearful to claim his own public health victories.

[Winehole23]

We're probably 3-5 years away on a pancoronanvirus jab, nasal vaccines may come sooner. Nasal vaccines could have a sterilizing effect, which would be awesome, because that could mean starting to curb transmission, which could mean we would be starting to reduce chronic SARS2-related illness.

Some OTC treatments are touted to prevent infection -- I wish I knew more about this, tbh, it's hard for a layperson to assess the info.

[Winehole23]

Is it gay to want to try to prevent illness, suffering and death?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcG8pwKXkAAwOwO?format=jpg&name=900x900

[HemisfairArena]

We're probably 3-5 years away on a pancoronanvirus jab, nasal vaccines may come sooner. Nasal vaccines could have a sterilizing effect, which would be awesome, because that could mean starting to curb transmission, which could mean we would be starting to reduce chronic SARS2-related illness.

Some OTC treatments are touted to prevent infection -- I wish I knew more about this, tbh, it's hard for a layperson to assess the info.


Remember when Trump said this came from a Wuhan lab and you guys hated him so much,,,,you couldnt agree,,,,so you said it came from bats?,,,,,that was hilarious,,,

[Winehole23]

Remember when Trump said this came from a Wuhan lab and you guys hated him so much,,,,you couldnt agree,,,,so you said it came from bats?,,,,,that was hilarious,,,Honestly, I'm not sure it's knowable to a scientific certainty how it happened.

I haven't seen anything conclusive, have you?

It's the jumping to conclusions that grates, tbh.

[HemisfairArena]

Honestly, I'm not sure it's knowable to a scientific certainty how it happened.

I haven't seen anything conclusive, have you?

It's the jumping to conclusions that grates, tbh.

I'll give ya that,,,,it hasnt been proven to certainty either way,,,but there in lies the rub,,,,,democrats were hell bent on being anti-Trump when they should have been working together for the American people. Trump even did the warpspeed vax and democrats were closing shit down to crush the economy. Just like Biden first day in office, he rescinded the remain in Mexico policy that Trump made and it came back to bite democrats right in ass and they lost the election bigtime because of it. Immigration was right up there with the economy in this election,,,

[Winehole23]

I'll give ya that,,,,it hasnt been proven to certainty either way,,,but there in lies the rub,,,,,democrats were hell bent on being anti-Trump when they should have been working together for the American people. Trump even did the warpspeed vax and democrats were closing shit down to crush the economy. Just like Biden first day in office, he rescinded the remain in Mexico policy that Trump made and it came back to bite democrats right in ass and they lost the election bigtime because of it. Immigration was right up there with the economy in this election,,,yeah, y'all demagogue immigration and trans...the GOP loves scapegoats.

[HemisfairArena]

yeah, y'all demagogue immigration and trans...the GOP loves scapegoats.

Remain in Mexico was working,,,,you democrats are willing to watch Rome burn to get him,,,,,we voted your asses out of there,,,,

[Winehole23]

Remain in Mexico was working,,,,you democrats are willing to watch Rome burn to get him,,,,,we voted your asses out of there,,,,Dude, Obama and Biden deported more illegals than Trump and it isn't even close.

Trump even rescinded the Obama focus on criminals to go after asylum seekers.

Trump will try to make up for it this time for sure, but objectively, he hasn't been as tough as Biden and Obama.

[HemisfairArena]

Dude, Obama and Biden deported more illegals than Trump and it isn't even close.

Trump even rescinded the Obama focus on criminals to go after asylum seekers.

Trump will try to make up for it this time for sure, but objectively, he hasn't been as tough as Biden and Obama.


Dude, Biden had 4 times as many illegals come in than Trump,,,,,so the ratio is not on your side,,,,,

[Winehole23]

Dude, Biden had 4 times as many illegals come in than Trump,,,,,so the ratio is not on your side,,,,,Sorry man, Trump is incompetent. Open your eyes...

[TSA]

The article reports that there was genetic data from a market linking the virus to raccoon dogs for sale.



Of all the stupid shit said in this thread Ef-man and his raccoon dog theory takes the cake :rollin Too bad he got sent to the tree of woe.

COVID 'most likely' leaked from Wuhan lab, social distancing 'not based on science,' select committee finds

A congressional subcommittee concluded its two-year investigation on the coronavirus pandemic on Monday, finding that COVID-19 likely originated from a lab in Wuhan, China, and that social distancing and masking were not backed with scientific data.

The Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic released its final 520-page report that stated "COVID-19 most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China."

In support of the "lab leak" theory, the report said the subcommittee learned that the virus had a biological characteristic that is not found in nature and that data showed all COVID-19 cases stemming from a single introduction to humans.

"By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced," the report says.

The report also noted that China’s foremost SARS research lab is in Wuhan, "which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research at inadequate biosafety levels," and that researchers at the lab "were sick with a COVID-like virus in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-most-likely-leaked-wuhan-191056945.html

[SnakeBoy]

Sorry man, Trump is incompetent. Open your eyes...

lol the wake up sheeple argument

[Winehole23]

lol the wake up sheeple argumenty'all definitely been demagogued on immigration

[ChumpDumper]

Of all the stupid shit said in this thread Ef-man and his raccoon dog theory takes the cake :rollin Too bad he got sent to the tree of woe.

COVID 'most likely' leaked from Wuhan lab, social distancing 'not based on science,' select committee finds

A congressional subcommittee concluded its two-year investigation on the coronavirus pandemic on Monday, finding that COVID-19 likely originated from a lab in Wuhan, China, and that social distancing and masking were not backed with scientific data.

The Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic released its final 520-page report that stated "COVID-19 most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China."

In support of the "lab leak" theory, the report said the subcommittee learned that the virus had a biological characteristic that is not found in nature and that data showed all COVID-19 cases stemming from a single introduction to humans.

"By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced," the report says.

The report also noted that China’s foremost SARS research lab is in Wuhan, "which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research at inadequate biosafety levels," and that researchers at the lab "were sick with a COVID-like virus in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-most-likely-leaked-wuhan-191056945.html
Marj:lolrie Tayl:lolr Greene is a member of that "select" subcommittee.

[ElNono]

Of all the stupid shit said in this thread Ef-man and his raccoon dog theory takes the cake :rollin Too bad he got sent to the tree of woe.

COVID 'most likely' leaked from Wuhan lab, social distancing 'not based on science,' select committee finds

A congressional subcommittee concluded its two-year investigation on the coronavirus pandemic on Monday, finding that COVID-19 likely originated from a lab in Wuhan, China, and that social distancing and masking were not backed with scientific data.

The Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic released its final 520-page report that stated "COVID-19 most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China."

In support of the "lab leak" theory, the report said the subcommittee learned that the virus had a biological characteristic that is not found in nature and that data showed all COVID-19 cases stemming from a single introduction to humans.

"By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced," the report says.

The report also noted that China’s foremost SARS research lab is in Wuhan, "which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research at inadequate biosafety levels," and that researchers at the lab "were sick with a COVID-like virus in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-most-likely-leaked-wuhan-191056945.html

How about the other House report?

Democrats push back on Republican COVID-19 report

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5019735-democrats-push-back-on-republican-covid-19-report/

[SnakeBoy]

How about the other House report?

Democrats push back on Republican COVID-19 report

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5019735-democrats-push-back-on-republican-covid-19-report/

they conclude with it's all Trump's fault brrrrrrrrr :lol

[ChumpDumper]

they conclude with it's all Trump's fault brrrrrrrrr :lol

Nah, they said the Republicans on the committee are full of shit.

[Winehole23]

they conclude with it's all Trump's fault brrrrrrrrr :lolI don't

[Winehole23]

correlation is not causation, but the correlation looks pretty strong


Along with a baffling rise in post-pandemic mortality (https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/post-covid-19-excess-mortality-rates-could-remain-high-for-another-decade) rates that has insurers stymied, the number of Americans claiming disabilities has skyrocketed since 2020, adding another puzzling factor that could impact corporate bottom lines.

After rising slowly and steadily since the turn of the century and hovering between 25 million and 27 million, the number of disabled (https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/post-covid-disabilities-increase-puzzles-experts) among the U.S. population rose nearly 35 percent in the last four years, to an all-time high of 38,844,000 at the end of November, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
https://insurancenewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/Population-With-a-Disability-16-Years-and-over-LNU00074597-FRED-St.-Louis-Fed-1-900x437.jpg (http://data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns=)Source: FRED (St. Louis Federal Reserve)Disability claims skyrocket, raising new puzzle alongside 'excess mortality' - Insurance News | InsuranceNewsNet (https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/disability-claims-skyrocket-raising-new-puzzle-alongside-excess-mortality)

[DarrinS]

correlation is not causation, but the correlation looks pretty strong

Disability claims skyrocket, raising new puzzle alongside 'excess mortality' - Insurance News | InsuranceNewsNet (https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/disability-claims-skyrocket-raising-new-puzzle-alongside-excess-mortality)

Correlated with vaccine rollout

[Winehole23]

Correlated with vaccine rolloutThe trend will tell.

Rate of infection> rate of vaccination.

[ChumpDumper]

Correlated with vaccine rollout
Are you saying vaccines are disabling millions of Americans?

Yes or no.

Remind us which disabling vaccine you took as soon as you possibly could.

[Winehole23]

Doubt there would have been the swift return to normal without the COVID jab, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm pro vax, full disclosure. Had two doses of Pfizer.
Clearly disabled.

[TSA]

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid's Origins
A new analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by the C.I.A.'s new director, John Ratcliffe, who wants the agency to get "off the sidelines" in the debate.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/25/us/politics/cia-covid-lab-leak.html

D.O.E., F.B.I., and now C.I.A.

[koriwhat]

Doubt there would have been the swift return to normal without the COVID jab, tbh.

I bet you still wear a mask and especially while driving alone.

[SnakeBoy]

correlation is not causation, but the correlation looks pretty strong

Disability claims skyrocket, raising new puzzle alongside 'excess mortality' - Insurance News | InsuranceNewsNet (https://insurancenewsnet.com/innarticle/disability-claims-skyrocket-raising-new-puzzle-alongside-excess-mortality)

Were any changes made to disability rules before claims skyrocketed?

[Winehole23]

Were any changes made to disability rules before claims skyrocketed?please share anything you know about this

make your case

[ChumpDumper]

C.I.A. Now Favors Lab Leak Theory to Explain Covid's Origins
A new analysis that began under the Biden administration is released by the C.I.A.'s new director, John Ratcliffe, who wants the agency to get "off the sidelines" in the debate.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/25/us/politics/cia-covid-lab-leak.html

D.O.E., F.B.I., and now C.I.A.

Great. Now what?

[Winehole23]

"Low level of confidence"

[Winehole23]

fwiw, there's evidence that SARS2 was circulating in Italy in multiple regions a few months before the Wuhan outbreak

maybe neither "wet market" nor "lab leak" is the right hypothesis

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/01/will-the-newly-declassified-cia-assessment-of-covid-origins-in-wuhan-include-the-possibility-of-early-spread-in-italy.html

[DarrinS]

Lol, fighting so hard to defend CCP

[Winehole23]

Lol, fighting so hard to defend CCPno, just keeping an open mind

I don't think there's completely convincing evidence for any of the hypotheses

lab leak is a possible origin of the outbreak

wet market transmission is also possible

it's also possible neither of these hypotheses covers it. circulation in Italy in October of 2019 isn't consistent with the other two

[DarrinS]

no, just keeping an open mind

I don't think there's completely convincing evidence for any of the hypotheses

Pretty obvious, even to Jon Stewart. Such a quick reply, btw. Full-time job?

[Winehole23]

Pretty obvious, even to Jon Stewart. Such a quick reply, btw. Full-time job?yes, I have one, thanks for asking

[Winehole23]

Pretty obvious, even to Jon Stewart. Such a quick reply, btw. Full-time job?lol even to John Stewart

[Winehole23]

all things are simple to the simple-minded

[Winehole23]

I mean, even Ratcliffe says the level of confidence about the lab leak hypothesis is low, so that's kind of like the official Trump position from the intelligence standpoint.

[TSA]

I mean, even Ratcliffe says the level of confidence about the lab leak hypothesis is low, so that's kind of like the official Trump position from the intelligence standpoint.

That assessment was made by the C.I.A. under Biden. DOE, FBI, and CIA have now all said that a lab leak is more likely to have happened than natural origin. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Why do you try and keep pointing out the level of confidence to try and diminish their assessments? It feels like you're just simping for the natural origin theory at this point.

[Winehole23]

That assessment was made by the C.I.A. under Biden. DOE, FBI, and CIA have now all said that a lab leak is more likely to have happened than natural origin. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Why do you try and keep pointing out the level of confidence to try and diminish their assessments? It feels like you're just simping for the natural origin theory at this point.try reading, I just told you where I'm at on this. it's roughly where I've been all along -- nothing conclusive for any hypothesis yet

[ChumpDumper]

That assessment was made by the C.I.A. under Biden. DOE, FBI, and CIA have now all said that a lab leak is more likely to have happened than natural origin. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Why do you try and keep pointing out the level of confidence to try and diminish their assessments? It feels like you're just simping for the natural origin theory at this point.

What does it actually matter given the weak degree of confidence?

[Winehole23]

What does it actually matter given the weak degree of confidence?because TSA checks his mind at the door of Republican power

[TSA]

because TSA checks his mind at the door of Republican power

DOE, FBI, and CIA assessments saying lab leak was more likely than natural origin were all made under the Biden administration.

[TSA]

try reading, I just told you where I'm at on this. it's roughly where I've been all along -- nothing conclusive for any hypothesis yet

Yet you fight tooth and nail to downplay everything that comes out supporting lab leak while trying to push everything that comes out supporting natural origin. Why is that?

[Winehole23]

Yet you fight tooth and nail to downplay everything that comes out supporting lab leak while trying to push everything that comes out supporting natural origin. Why is that?just stating my opinion,

I'm not fighting the hypothesis, just your weakly supported certainty

[TSA]

I'm not fighting the hypothesis:rollin

[Winehole23]

I just said lab leak might be true, not sure what I'm supposed to say

[Winehole23]

DOE, FBI, and CIA assessments saying lab leak was more likely than natural origin were all made under the Biden administration.that's not very convincing, tbh

[SnakeBoy]

just stating my opinion,

I'm not fighting the hypothesis, just your weakly supported certainty

Answer the question

[Winehole23]

Answer the questionI did

No conclusive evidence.

COVID circulating in Italy in October of 2019 seems contradictory to both of the heavily politicized options.

[Winehole23]

lol Snake boy demanding answers and answering none

[koriwhat]

I did

No conclusive evidence.

COVID circulating in Italy in October of 2019 seems contradictory to both of the heavily politicized options.

Almost half a million chinese in italy and you're trying to move the goal posts now... What are you insinuating with the above? :lmao

[Winehole23]

Almost half a million chinese in italy and you're trying to move the goal posts now... What are you insinuating with the above? :lmaoI posted the link to the studies upstream if you'd like to read about it

[koriwhat]

I posted the link to the studies upstream if you'd like to read about it

IDC about some link.. What were you insinuating with chinese in italy 2019, exactly? :lol

[Winehole23]

IDC about some link.. What were you insinuating with chinese in italy 2019, exactly? :lolI'm just saying there's evidence SARS2 was circulating in Italy well before the Wuhan outbreak

no one's saying it started there

[Thread]

Trump killed 400k
Biden killed 700k

Let us proceed...

[hater]

Trump killed 400k
Biden killed 700k

Let us proceed...

Agreed

[hater]

:wow

https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1884804795720233355


I was right all along. The virus was created in Fort Dietric in USA :wow

[ChumpDumper]

:wow

https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1884804795720233355


I was right all along. The virus was created in Fort Dietric in USA :wow

Professor, eh? In what field is his degree?

[Winehole23]

Professor, eh? In what field is his degree?"globalist talking head confirms US lab origin of SARS2"

[ChumpDumper]

Predictable bedfellows.

[koriwhat]

I'm just saying there's evidence SARS2 was circulating in Italy well before the Wuhan outbreak

no one's saying it started there

That was the Wuhan outbreak numnuts! I was watching videos of the propaganda late 2019.

And what's the common variable? Chinese nationals flying from and to. Give me a break WH, you can't be this ignorant so stop playing coy already.

[Winehole23]

That was the Wuhan outbreak numnuts! I was watching videos of the propaganda late 2019.

And what's the common variable? Chinese nationals flying from and to. Give me a break WH, you can't be this ignorant so stop playing coy already.you're mistaken, October is before the Wuhan outbreak by about two months

[koriwhat]

you're mistaken, October is before the Wuhan outbreak by about two months

You're mistaken! We just didn't call it an outbreak at that time. What aren't you understanding?

[Winehole23]

You're mistaken! We just didn't call it an outbreak at that time. What aren't you understanding?the Wuhan outbreak was Dec-Jan

[Winehole23]

and Joey melts like a snowflake

[SnakeBoy]

1885371111908458942

[ChumpDumper]

1885371111908458942

You like disinformation tho.

[koriwhat]

and Joey melts like a snowflake

You're weird but all you leftists are tbh.

[Winehole23]

You're weird but all you leftists are tbh.there's nothing wrong with being a leftist

[Thread]

1885371111908458942

Chalk up another one for Trump. Cuomo, Acosta, Lemon, now Todd. They all swore they'd outlast Trump and none of 'em did. And Trump loves seeing 'em quit, tossin' them towels.

That's more fun than playing in Mel's underwear drawer.

[GAustex]

Bushes, Cheney, Romney, Pence,Haley, McCain and Ryan is on his way.
All of em

[Thread]

Bushes, Cheney, Romney, Pence,Haley, McCain and Ryan is on his way.
All of em

Amen, GA. That fuck Ryan was a real motherfucker. Same with Romney and McCain.

I kind of give grace to Pence, GA. He had to confirm that vote. I wish Trump would've forgiven him/vice versa and remained friends, not a running mate again, but, dear friends.

[z0sa]

there's nothing wrong with being a leftist

There's not even any real leftists in this country outside of Bernie Sanders. Republicans are far right and democrats are center-right by any objective measure. You know this, of course, but Republicans are straight up in denial about it.

When we have free at the point of service healthcare, guaranteed college tuition, literally no guns allowed, etc then we'll have moved across the center to the left. Banning assault weapons or requiring background checks isn't a leftist position literally at all, for instance. It's probably not even center nowadays, since every other major country has guns banned completely.

[SnakeBoy]

There's not even any real leftists in this country outside of Bernie Sanders. Republicans are far right and democrats are center-right by any objective measure. You know this, of course, but Republicans are straight up in denial about it.

When we have free at the point of service healthcare, guaranteed college tuition, literally no guns allowed, etc then we'll have moved across the center to the left. Banning assault weapons or requiring background checks isn't a leftist position literally at all, for instance. It's probably not even center nowadays, since every other major country has guns banned completely.

What makes you think we're in denial about it?

[koriwhat]

there's nothing wrong with being a leftist

Nothing wrong being a liberal, def all things wrong being a leftist though. Fuck leftists ideology be it political or cultural.

[Winehole23]

Nothing wrong being a liberal, def all things wrong being a leftist though. Fuck leftists ideology be it political or cultural.what is leftism?

[ChumpDumper]

Joey isn't smart enough to conduct a rodeo.

[Winehole23]

Joey isn't smart enough to conduct a rodeo.he basically has one reply that he uses over and over again, with minor variation of slurs

[ChumpDumper]

he basically has one reply that he uses over and over again, with minor variation of slurs

Hey, it worked for him in middle school before he dropped out.

[Winehole23]

to be fluent in slurs is sort of the official new free speech aspiration

[Winehole23]

looks a lot like the old one

[SnakeBoy]

1886129005759262964

[ChumpDumper]

1886129005759262964

Is this what you personally believe, snacks?

Yes or no.

[ElNono]

1886129005759262964

lol "likely"

[GAustex]

True that
Instead of likely leak
released purposely

[ChumpDumper]

True that
Instead of likely leak
released purposely

What's your conspiracy theory here?

[Winehole23]

we're worse off than before COVID, not least because Trump demagogued public health and turned MAGAs' brains to soup

https://www.statnews.com/2025/02/14/trump-cdc-cuts-include-epidemic-intelligence-service-outbreak-investigators/

[DarrinS]

we're worse off than before COVID, not least because Trump demagogued public health and turned MAGAs' brains to soup

https://www.statnews.com/2025/02/14/trump-cdc-cuts-include-epidemic-intelligence-service-outbreak-investigators/


These folks?

https://www.cdc.gov/eis/php/our-work/fellows-stories.html

[DarrinS]

Lol, crown jewel

[Winehole23]

People are gonna die for this stupidity and wanton destruction of government capacity

[Thread]

we're worse off than before COVID, not least because Trump demagogued public health and turned MAGAs' brains to soup

https://www.statnews.com/2025/02/14/trump-cdc-cuts-include-epidemic-intelligence-service-outbreak-investigators/

I'll just bet we are.

[Thread]

People are gonna die for this stupidity and wanton destruction of government capacity

All because Trump whooped the dog shit outta both Biden and then Harris.

[Thread]

Is this what you personally believe, Dale?

Yes or no.

Yes.

[Winehole23]

Trumplandia/DOGE reportedly restore funding for Long COVID research


Long COVID research grants from the National Institutes of Health’s RECOVER program will be restored following news stories about their abrupt cancellations and advocacy to restore the funding, according to patient representatives in the initiative.The Sick Times (https://thesicktimes.org/2025/03/27/recover-grants-for-long-covid-pathobiology-research-are-among-those-cut-under-new-nih-directive/) andChemical & Engineering News (https://cen.acs.org/policy/research-funding/NIH-cancels-RECOVER-grants-long/103/web/2025/03) reported on Thursday that up to 45 grants to study Long COVID’s underlying biology, awarded in 2022 and 2023, had been rescinded, along with upcoming grants focused on studying the disease in children. On Friday, the NIH went back on this order, restoring the funding.

“Good news! Today, the NYU business office received a notice from the NIH Office of Extramural Research stating that funding for Pathobiology awardees (first round) has been fully reinstated,” wrote RECOVER investigator and New York University pediatrician Rachel Gross in an email shared with The Sick Times.

This restoration will allow vital research into the causes for Long COVID symptoms and connections with other chronic diseases to continue. Some scientists had told The Sick Times that their studies were nearing completion and soon to share findings; see our full story from Thursday (https://thesicktimes.org/2025/03/27/recover-grants-for-long-covid-pathobiology-research-are-among-those-cut-under-new-nih-directive/) for more details.

The studies now resuming include research into the pathobiology of Long COVID in children, persistent SARS-CoV-2 viral reservoirs, vascular dysfunction, post-exertional malaise, reactivation of latent viruses like Epstein Barr, and the link between SARS-CoV-2 and diabetes.
https://thesicktimes.org/2025/03/28/update-recover-long-covid-pathobiology-grants-restored/

[SnakeBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/1gxZPz4.png

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.imgur.com/1gxZPz4.pngYou're a ghoulish moron.

[SnakeBoy]

How Performative Activism Enabled Mass Persecution
https://brownstone.org/articles/how-performative-activism-enabled-mass-persecution/


"Reality engineering requires three components: institutional power to create the narrative, social pressure to enforce it, and the deliberate persecution of anyone who challenges either. The Covid era provided the perfect case study in how this machinery operates and revealed how performative activism serves as its most potent enforcement mechanism.

Every major element of the official Covid narrative has been proven false: The origins of the virus, the validity of PCR tests, the suppression of early treatments, the denial of natural immunity, the so-called "safety and effectiveness" of vaccines, and the utility of masks, lockdowns, and vaccine passports. Yet those who questioned any part of it faced unprecedented ostracism and persecution.

The manufactured panic ignored fundamental reality: Covid posed minimal risk to healthy people under 70, but was significantly more dangerous to the elderly and immunocompromised. Rather than focusing resources on protecting vulnerable populations, we destroyed economies, stole childhoods, and enforced measures that made no epidemiological sense.

This wasn't just about control - it was an engineered economic coup, the largest financial consolidation of power in modern history. While small businesses were forcibly closed, Amazon's profits soared. As working-class neighborhoods struggled, Wall Street celebrated record gains. The laptop class posted about 'we're all in this together' from their home offices while essential workers were forced into what was portrayed as dangerous conditions to deliver their groceries. The same corporations trumpeting their commitment to "equity" through DEI initiatives were destroying economic mobility for the very communities they claimed to champion. . ."

Discuss

[ChumpDumper]

How Performative Activism Enabled Mass Persecution
https://brownstone.org/articles/how-performative-activism-enabled-mass-persecution/



DiscussYou don't believe most of this.

If you believe any of it, you think the economic consolidation was a good thing.

Are you personally persecuted?

Discuss.

[koriwhat]

Fuck China!

[Thread]

https://i.imgur.com/1gxZPz4.png

Snake

[Winehole23]

more support for correlation with immune derangement -- even mild COVID infection strongly correlates with increased susceptibility to other infections for at least a year


In a commentary (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(25)00074-X/fulltext) on the study, Gabriel Chodick, PhD, MHA, from Tel Aviv University, said these findings are important because they show that, even among patients with only moderate infection, COVID-19 seems to alter the immune system and make patients more vulnerable to future illnesses.

"These findings have important implications for understanding the potential impact of COVID-19 on long-term immune function and susceptibility to pathogens," Chodick writes. "The evidence suggests effects extending beyond the acute phase of infection, affecting even mild cases."
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-19-may-put-patients-risk-other-infections-least-1-year

[Winehole23]

repeat infections appear to increase the risk of Long Covid in young people


Compared with the first COVID-19 infection, a second infection was associated with twice the increased risk of a long-COVID diagnosis (relative risk [RR], 2.08; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.68 to 2.59). The second infection was also tied to a 50% or greater increase in several specific long-COVID conditions, including myocarditis (RR, 3.60), changes in taste and smell (2.83), heart disease (1.96), acute kidney injury (1.90), generalized pain (1.70), arrhythmias (1.59), abnormal liver enzymes (1.56), and fatigue or malaise (1.50).

"These findings emphasize the ongoing risk of PASC with reinfection, regardless of severity, and suggest that the risk of PASC may be cumulative with each successive infection," the study authors write.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-19-re-infection-doubles-risk-long-covid-kids-young-adults-data-reveal

[koriwhat]

No jabs, boosters, never caught that bs CHINA VIRUS, and simply go about my day like usual. Guess I'm one of the few very lucky ones not to give a fuck and continue on with my life as normal.

I knew a dude who ended up in the hospital with covid, on a vent, no jab and spoke heavily against it, but he was fat as fuck though. Fast forward a few years and he ended up with a severe stage 4 case of cancer out of nowhere and died this past Thanksgiving after battling cancer for a mere 1.5 months.

I have no idea if he ever got the jab after being hospitalized. He's a family friends family member and we weren't close or anything.

Take your multivitamins people! It's all I take daily, no soda for 20+ yrs now, no McDonald's, no gluten, not overweight, somewhat active, etc...

[ChumpDumper]

"not overweight"

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/lab-leak-true-origins-of-covid-19/