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You feeling ok Qtsa?
Critical thinking is beyond your understanding?
Studies with no evidence are bad now?
Your copy/paste walls show no evidence whatsoever that virus was engineered and leaked. Speculation yes, evidence, no.
The article reports that there was genetic data from a market linking the virus to raccoon dogs for sale. Argue with that, idiot.You made the claim that pgardn was correct and then posted the NYT article as proof supporting the virus was not engineered. Not only did the article not support your first claim your article doesn’t even claim a raccoon dog was infected :lmao
“The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected.”
You either didn’t read past the headline or you are genuinely retarded. Which one is it fucknut?
Ef-man
03-20-2023, 07:27 PM
You made the claim that pgardn was correct and then posted the NYT article as proof supporting the virus was not engineered. Not only did the article not support your first claim your article doesn’t even claim a raccoon dog was infected :lmao
“The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected.”
You either didn’t read past the headline or you are genuinely retarded. Which one is it fucknut?
The article reports that there was genetic data from a market linking the virus to raccoon dogs for sale.
Show study that proves your engineered virus was leaked, idiot.
The article reports that there was genetic data from a market linking the virus to raccoon dogs for sale.
Show study that proves your engineered virus was leaked, idiot.
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
Quote the part of the article that proves covid was not engineered, idiot.
pgardn
03-21-2023, 08:55 AM
This whole twisted logic about what the Chinese labs did is up for political decisions.
Poltics guiding science can lead to some very bad outcomes for people. Look to Russia for a great example of how to starve people.
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)'s Academy of Sciences (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Academy_of_Sciences), and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko#cite_note-SRSU-4)
Soviet scientists who refused to renounce genetics were dismissed from their posts and left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were imprisoned
Actively genetically engineering a virus for the purpose of infecting people is STILL being spread by Trumpers.
This whole twisted logic about what the Chinese labs did is up for political decisions.
Poltics guiding science can lead to some very bad outcomes for people. Look to Russia for a great example of how to starve people.
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the USSR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union)'s Academy of Sciences (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Academy_of_Sciences), and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko#cite_note-SRSU-4)
Soviet scientists who refused to renounce genetics were dismissed from their posts and left destitute. Hundreds if not thousands of others were imprisoned
Actively genetically engineering a virus for the purpose of infecting people is STILL being spread by Trumpers.
Fauci used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinion, discredit, and marginalize scientists looking into the lab leak theory while secretly commissioning the drafting of the proximal origin paper to elevate his natural origin theory.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 09:45 AM
Quote the part of the article that proves covid was not engineered, idiot.
Quote any proof you have on it being engineered and leaked, you idiot.
Also, you avoided part of article that said raccoon dog link is most tangible evidence virus was from wild animals outside of labs.
“But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.“
Quote any proof you have on it being engineered and leaked, you idiot.
I've posted quite a bit on it possibly being engineered and leaked, you idiot. Never claimed it as fact like you did, idiot.
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
Again, quote the part of the article that proves covid was not engineered like you claimed, idiot.
Also, you avoided part of article that said raccoon dog link is most tangible evidence virus was from wild animals outside of labs.
“But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.“
Your reading comprehension is shit :lol
Also, you avoided this part of the article that said they couldn't even tell if a raccoon dog was even infected.
"The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected. And even if a raccoon dog had been infected, it would not be clear that the animal had spread the virus to people. Another animal could have passed the virus to people, or someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog."
The only thing this lol "study" established was that they found raccoon dog genetic material at the same place they found virus genetic material, you fucking idiot.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 10:18 AM
I've posted quite a bit on it possibly being engineered and leaked, you idiot. Never claimed it as fact like you did,
So you bend the knee, apologies accepted, idiot. :lol
RandomGuy
03-21-2023, 10:49 AM
There is quite a bit of evidence leading to lab leak, not so much for happening in nature.
I should re-phrase then. The time to believe something is when you have sufficient, good evidence to do so.
It is natural until you can produce very conclusive evidence.
Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof.
Viruses arise naturally all the time, every year, every day.
So you bend the knee, apologies accepted, idiot. :lolI bent you over and made you my bitch.
No amount of dissembling here will save you.
Quote the part of the article that proves covid was not engineered like you claimed, or continue to deflect like a pussy.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 10:52 AM
I bent you over and made you my bitch.
No amount of dissembling here will save you.
Quote the part of the article that proves covid was not engineered like you claimed, or continue to deflect like a pussy.
:lmao :lmao :lmao
“Never claimed it as fact”
I should re-phrase then. The time to believe something is when you have sufficient, good evidence to do so.
It is natural until you can produce very conclusive evidence.
Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof.
Viruses arise naturally all the time, every year, every day.
A virus escaping from a lab isn't extraordinary.
https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=834,quality=80,format=auto/sites/default/files/images/2021/08/articles/main/20210828_woc034.png
RandomGuy
03-21-2023, 10:59 AM
I've posted quite a bit on it possibly being engineered and leaked, you idiot. Never claimed it as fact like you did, idiot.
Again, quote the part of the article that proves covid was not engineered like you claimed, idiot.
Your reading comprehension is shit :lol
Also, you avoided this part of the article that said they couldn't even tell if a raccoon dog was even infected.
"The jumbling together of genetic material from the virus and the animal does not prove that a raccoon dog itself was infected. And even if a raccoon dog had been infected, it would not be clear that the animal had spread the virus to people. Another animal could have passed the virus to people, or someone infected with the virus could have spread the virus to a raccoon dog."
The only thing this lol "study" established was that they found raccoon dog genetic material at the same place they found virus genetic material, you fucking idiot.
which is consistent with the virus arising naturally.
Bits of evidence rarely "prove" such things. You either have data that supports a hypothesis or you don't.
We have data that is consistent with natural origins, using known pathways for animal to human transmission.
You have what exactly? I went back a few pages and didn't see anything other than the NYT article.
:lmao :lmao :lmao
“Never claimed it as fact”
Choosing to deflect like the pussy you are.
You're such a little bitch.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 11:05 AM
Choosing to deflect like the pussy you are.
You're such a little bitch.
“Never claimed it as fact”
:lmao :lmao :lmao
I broke you, live with it. :lol
which is consistent with the virus arising naturally.
Bits of evidence rarely "prove" such things. You either have data that supports a hypothesis or you don't.
We have data that is consistent with natural origins, using known pathways for animal to human transmission.
You have what exactly? I went back a few pages and didn't see anything other than the NYT article.Except we don't have data that is consistent with natural origins using known pathways for animal to human transmission.
The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus.
Go back further and start around page 1592.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350709266_The_Origin_of_the_Coronavirus_Pandemic
RandomGuy
03-21-2023, 11:08 AM
A virus escaping from a lab isn't extraordinary.
https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=834,quality=80,format=auto/sites/default/files/images/2021/08/articles/main/20210828_woc034.png
A graph that shows the number of "lab-acquired" infections over a FIFTY year period is approximately a hundred TOTAL for nine different viruses.
That is your evidence that viruses escaping from a lab is an "ordinary" thing?
Critical thinking questions:
How does that compare to the number of non-laboratory acquired infections for the same period?
Can something be "possible" without being "ordinary/routine/mundane/commonplace"?
“Never claimed it as fact”
:lmao :lmao :lmao
I broke you, live with it. :lol
I can guarantee you are the only person here that thinks you've broken anyone.
You got your shit pushed in and are embarrassed and lashing out.
A graph that shows the number of "lab-acquired" infections over a FIFTY year period is approximately a hundred TOTAL for nine different viruses.
That is your evidence that viruses escaping from a lab is an "ordinary" thing?
Critical thinking questions:
How does that compare to the number of non-laboratory acquired infections for the same period?
Can something be "possible" without being "ordinary/routine/mundane/commonplace"?Take it up with the Economist.
Infections caught in laboratories are surprisingly common
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/08/24/infections-caught-in-laboratories-are-surprisingly-common
I don't believe this because the sources have epicanthic folds.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)
https://twitter.com/virologyanon/status/1638024581322788866
which is consistent with the virus arising naturally.
Bits of evidence rarely "prove" such things. You either have data that supports a hypothesis or you don't.
We have data that is consistent with natural origins, using known pathways for animal to human transmission.
The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus. How is that fact consistent with natural origins using know pathways for animal to human transmission?
https://twitter.com/BiophysicsFL/status/1637889057614184449
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.
In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.
But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.
New York Times paywall:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak
https://twitter.com/stevenemassey/status/1637985260955742209
https://twitter.com/stevenemassey/status/1637985266609602560
https://twitter.com/stevenemassey/status/1637985272120868865
https://twitter.com/stevenemassey/status/1637985279062708224
https://twitter.com/stevenemassey/status/1637985285291012098
This shit study that is getting shredded by the scientific community proves covid was not engineered.
:lol fucknut
RandomGuy
03-21-2023, 11:36 AM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744920/ {1 numbering mine-RG}
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1 {2}
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350709266_The_Origin_of_the_Coronavirus_Pandemic {3}
Thank you. I appreciate it.
So, let's evaluate the evidence.
In order:
1) "{The genetic structure of SARS‐CoV‐2 does not rule out a laboratory origin"
Fair enough. Does not, though, provide evidence supporting artificial origin. Just that it can't be ruled out.
2) Not peer reviewed. Very low weight of evidentiary value. Skimmed it, but hope someone does a good review to see if it hold sup.
3) Best attempt yet to re-create the timeline. I find it persuasive, but not a scientific study per se, nor ultimately conclusive.
The most compelling evidence shown in #3 shows evidence of the Chinese government actively covering up something, but given the nature of that regime, also not terribly conclusive, IMO. China regularly squashes dissent and something as sensitive as this would prompt a HUGE amount of repression no matter what actually happened to keep the official narrative intact.
Good read, but not enough for me to accept the conclusion. I require some peer reviewed stuff looking at DNA for this extra-ordinary claim, preferably studies that are replicated.
This whole twisted logic about what the Chinese labs did is up for political decisions.
Poltics guiding science can lead to some very bad outcomes for people. Look to Russia for a great example of how to starve people.
In 1940, Lysenko became director of the Institute of Genetics within the Academy of Sciences, and he used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinions and discredit, marginalize, and imprison his critics, elevating his anti-Mendelian theories to state-sanctioned doctrine.
https://twitter.com/jbkinney/status/1638131064303411201
RandomGuy
03-21-2023, 11:50 AM
The Covid-19 pathogen has a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus. How is that fact consistent with natural origins using know pathways for animal to human transmission?
And there it is.
You have asserted that "a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus" is a fact, and provided one study that says "we can't rule it out" and one study that is non-peer reviewed, with a collection of other works cited.
Your best evidence put forward (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350709266_The_Origin_of_the_Coronavirus_Pandemic) didn't really cite any peer-reviewed evidence for this either. Read through it, and best typified by pg 97 of the pdf showing the peer-reviewed citations for his work. None of them address this hypothesis directly.
I find a hard time seeing how you have concluded this is a "fact" on so little peer-reviewed science.
RandomGuy
03-21-2023, 11:59 AM
The only thing I really see is another example of how conspiracy theories and their proponents argue.
What should be a scientific hypothesis is presented as an ironclad "fact", and little to no peer-reviewed science is presented.
If it is that clear, the evidence should be overwhelming. Real science is heavily probabilistic. "likely" "probable" "almost certainly". very rarely do we get to "100%".
Extra-ordinary claim, requiring extra-ordinary evidence.
Until then, Occama razor applies.
And there it is.
You have asserted that "a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus" is a fact, and provided one study that says "we can't rule it out" and one study that is non-peer reviewed, with a collection of other works cited.
Your best evidence put forward (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350709266_The_Origin_of_the_Coronavirus_Pandemic) didn't really cite any peer-reviewed evidence for this either. Read through it, and best typified by pg 97 of the pdf showing the peer-reviewed citations for his work. None of them address this hypothesis directly.
I find a hard time seeing how you have concluded this is a "fact" on so little peer-reviewed science.
You'll have to ask pgardn about that claim that was from his source. Sorry I had been attributing that quote to him previously and forgot to put it in a quote box this time.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184
The only thing I really see is another example of how conspiracy theories and their proponents argue.
What should be a scientific hypothesis is presented as an ironclad "fact", and little to no peer-reviewed science is presented.
If it is that clear, the evidence should be overwhelming. Real science is heavily probabilistic. "likely" "probable" "almost certainly". very rarely do we get to "100%".
Extra-ordinary claim, requiring extra-ordinary evidence.
Until then, Occama razor applies.
You mean like this?
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
So, let's evaluate the evidence.
In order:
1) "{The genetic structure of SARS‐CoV‐2 does not rule out a laboratory origin"
Fair enough. Does not, though, provide evidence supporting artificial origin. Just that it can't be ruled out.
2) Not peer reviewed. Very low weight of evidentiary value. Skimmed it, but hope someone does a good review to see if it hold sup.
3) Best attempt yet to re-create the timeline. I find it persuasive, but not a scientific study per se, nor ultimately conclusive.
The most compelling evidence shown in #3 shows evidence of the Chinese government actively covering up something, but given the nature of that regime, also not terribly conclusive, IMO. China regularly squashes dissent and something as sensitive as this would prompt a HUGE amount of repression no matter what actually happened to keep the official narrative intact.
Good read, but not enough for me to accept the conclusion. I require some peer reviewed stuff looking at DNA for this extra-ordinary claim, preferably studies that are replicated.
This is a solid read that makes the case for a lab leak.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
A graph that shows the number of "lab-acquired" infections over a FIFTY year period is approximately a hundred TOTAL for nine different viruses.
That is your evidence that viruses escaping from a lab is an "ordinary" thing?
Critical thinking questions:
How does that compare to the number of non-laboratory acquired infections for the same period?
Can something be "possible" without being "ordinary/routine/mundane/commonplace"?
Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, there had been 7 recorded SARS coronavirus outbreaks, including SARS-CoV-1. While SARS-CoV-1 provided a very clear and consilient picture of an animal trade outbreak across many lines of evidence, the other 6 out of 7 outbreaks were caused by laboratory accidents, most of them in China. The laboratory outbreaks of SARS coronaviruses all lacked the geographic trail of the SARS-CoV-1 animal trade outbreak; they caused singular outbreaks far from wildlife hotspots and in cities like Beijing, right next to labs studying coronaviruses. SARS-CoV-2 emerged in Wuhan and nowhere else, next to one of the largest coronavirus research labs in the world, leaving no geographic trail of infections consistent with an animal trade outbreak and emerging in a country where the majority of recorded SARS outbreaks have been lab-related.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
ElNono
03-21-2023, 12:34 PM
Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, there had been 7 recorded SARS coronavirus outbreaks, including SARS-CoV-1. While SARS-CoV-1 provided a very clear and consilient picture of an animal trade outbreak across many lines of evidence, the other 6 out of 7 outbreaks were caused by laboratory accidents, most of them in China. The laboratory outbreaks of SARS coronaviruses all lacked the geographic trail of the SARS-CoV-1 animal trade outbreak; they caused singular outbreaks far from wildlife hotspots and in cities like Beijing, right next to labs studying coronaviruses. SARS-CoV-2 emerged in Wuhan and nowhere else, next to one of the largest coronavirus research labs in the world, leaving no geographic trail of infections consistent with an animal trade outbreak and emerging in a country where the majority of recorded SARS outbreaks have been lab-related.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
"Approximately 1.67 million undescribed viruses are thought to exist in mammals and birds, up to half of which are estimated to have the potential to spill over into humans,"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8053939/
And there it is.
You have asserted that "a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus" is a fact, and provided one study that says "we can't rule it out" and one study that is non-peer reviewed, with a collection of other works cited.
Prior to SARS-CoV-2, a furin cleavage site had never before been observed in a SARS coronavirus. We had sampled hundreds of SARS CoVs around SE Asia and found nothing. When we reconstruct the SARS-CoV evolutionary tree, we can see over 1,000 years of evolutionary time where lineages branched off from one-another and, at every point in evolutionary time, they had every opportunity to acquire a furin cleavage site. Yet, they did not, at least not in all ~80 SARS CoVs we had discovered prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. In that entire millennium of SARS CoV evolution, there is not a single furin cleavage site, except for that found in Wuhan 2 years after researchers proposed to insert a furin cleavage site in Wuhan.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
"Approximately 1.67 million undescribed viruses are thought to exist in mammals and birds, up to half of which are estimated to have the potential to spill over into humans,"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8053939/Prior to SARS-CoV-2, a furin cleavage site had never before been observed in a SARS coronavirus. We had sampled hundreds of SARS CoVs around SE Asia and found nothing. When we reconstruct the SARS-CoV evolutionary tree, we can see over 1,000 years of evolutionary time where lineages branched off from one-another and, at every point in evolutionary time, they had every opportunity to acquire a furin cleavage site. Yet, they did not, at least not in all ~80 SARS CoVs we had discovered prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. In that entire millennium of SARS CoV evolution, there is not a single furin cleavage site, except for that found in Wuhan 2 years after researchers proposed to insert a furin cleavage site in Wuhan.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
"Approximately 1.67 million undescribed viruses are thought to exist in mammals and birds, up to half of which are estimated to have the potential to spill over into humans,"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8053939/
:lol Peter Daszak authoring
ElNono
03-21-2023, 12:47 PM
Prior to SARS-CoV-2, a furin cleavage site had never before been observed in a SARS coronavirus. We had sampled hundreds of SARS CoVs around SE Asia and found nothing. When we reconstruct the SARS-CoV evolutionary tree, we can see over 1,000 years of evolutionary time where lineages branched off from one-another and, at every point in evolutionary time, they had every opportunity to acquire a furin cleavage site. Yet, they did not, at least not in all ~80 SARS CoVs we had discovered prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. In that entire millennium of SARS CoV evolution, there is not a single furin cleavage site, except for that found in Wuhan 2 years after researchers proposed to insert a furin cleavage site in Wuhan.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
That's an opinion article (light in facts as well).
Here's another fact:
Zoonoses can be caused by a range of disease pathogens such as emergent viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites; of 1,415 pathogens known to infect humans, 61% were zoonotic. Most human diseases originated in non-humans; however, only diseases that routinely involve non-human to human transmission, such as rabies, are considered direct zoonoses.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1088493/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0684.2004.00078.x
Again, zoonosis is what you expect from pretty much any disease.
ElNono
03-21-2023, 12:48 PM
:lol Peter Daszak authoring
There are 12 authors to that study. Feel free to write your rebuttal to it. Probably will require more than an emoticon tho.
That's an opinion article (light in facts as well).
Here's another fact:
Zoonoses can be caused by a range of disease pathogens such as emergent viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites; of 1,415 pathogens known to infect humans, 61% were zoonotic. Most human diseases originated in non-humans; however, only diseases that routinely involve non-human to human transmission, such as rabies, are considered direct zoonoses.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1088493/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0684.2004.00078.x
Again, zoonosis is what you expect from pretty much any disease.
:lol light in facts
ElNono
03-21-2023, 12:51 PM
:lol light in facts
Of course its light in facts (very light, actually, which is probably why ended up in a substack instead of an actual paper).
It's one giant rant with very few links to any reputable studies.
Prior to SARS-CoV-2, a furin cleavage site had never before been observed in a SARS coronavirus. We had sampled hundreds of SARS CoVs around SE Asia and found nothing. When we reconstruct the SARS-CoV evolutionary tree, we can see over 1,000 years of evolutionary time where lineages branched off from one-another and, at every point in evolutionary time, they had every opportunity to acquire a furin cleavage site. Yet, they did not, at least not in all ~80 SARS CoVs we had discovered prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. In that entire millennium of SARS CoV evolution, there is not a single furin cleavage site, except for that found in Wuhan 2 years after researchers proposed to insert a furin cleavage site in Wuhan.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
Peter Dasak's DEFUSE proposal at WIV
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966/defuse-proposal.pdf
We’ve gone over the geographic and genomic evidence that makes SARS-CoV-2 highly unusual among other SARS coronaviruses. SARS-CoV-2 emerged in Wuhan in 2019 far from the hotspots of wildlife coronavirus diversity, right next door to world leading labs studying wildlife coronaviruses, and it emerged with a human-specific furin cleavage site and the restriction map of an infectious clone.
Less than 1.5 years earlier, researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and elsewhere proposed to insert a human-specific furin cleavage site in a SARS coronavirus in Wuhan.
Read those last two paragraphs again.
The DEFUSE proposal is where researchers laid out their intentions to make a virus shockingly similar to SARS-CoV-2 in all of the ways in which SARS-CoV-2 is glaringly different from wildlife SARS coronaviruses.
The DEFUSE proposal was a grant proposal written by Peter Daszak at EcoHealth Alliance in NYC (EHA), Zheng-Li Shi at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina (UNC), Linfa Wang at Duke-NUS Singapore, and others. The proposal was submitted to DARPA’s PREEMPT call, a grant call looking for innovative ideas to preempt pathogen spillover before it occurs.
The DEFUSE proposal contained many specific aims: catching bats, sending samples from bats to labs, looking for viruses in the samples, studying and modifying the viruses in labs, developing raccoon poxvirus vaccines to boost immunity & protect bats against the viruses, testing the viruses + immune-boosting in bats, forecasting where spillover is most likely to occur, and deploying vaccines in wild bats to preempt spillover.
If you look on page 11 of the main document, page 13 of the online PDF above, under the section labelled “S2 proteolytic cleavage and glycosylation sites”, you can find the most important passage in this document.
The researchers propose to scan SARS-CoV genomes for potential furin cleavage sites and, where none exist, they propose to insert the appropriate cleavage sites. Specifically, they say:
”… we will introduce appropriate human-specific cleavage sites and evaluate growth potential in Vero and HAE cells”
In other words, a major aim of the DEFUSE proposal was to study furin cleavage sites, features never before documented in SARS CoVs. They would look for furin cleavage sites that might exist and, where none existed, they will introduce human-specific cleavage sites to create a virus not found in nature but hypothesized- for good mechanistic reasons based on our knowledge of furin cleavage sites - to have higher transmissibility in people and, consequently, a higher risk of causing a pandemic like the COVID-19 pandemic. Where none existed, researchers proposed to insert human-specific furin cleavage sites in viruses, and study whether or not their poxvirus vaccine protects bats from these unnatural coronaviruses they designed. Studies of the infectivity of high-risk strains in bats, and whether or not the immune boosting methods at Duke-NUS protected bats from high-risk strains, was proposed to take place at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The DEFUSE grant was not funded, but that doesn’t mean the research didn’t continue. Scientists are often like actors: the show must go on. EcoHealth Alliance had many sources of funding, and the proposed research inserting a human-specific FCS in a bat SARS-CoV is relatively inexpensive. In fact, three PIs of DEFUSE - Peter Daszak, Lin-Fa Wang, and Zheng-Li Shi, had created a chimeric bat coronavirus in 2016 without the involvement of UNC. Peter Daszak had a grant at NIAID - Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence - that funded a collaboration between EcoHealth Alliance and Chinese researchers, including Zheng-Li Shi at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, to study bat coronaviruses in China (Ralph Baric was missing from both the 2016 paper and, apparently, the NIAID grant). The NIAID grant was listed in the acknowledgements for their construction of a recombinant bat SARS CoV in the 2016 paper. Researchers in China also had access to alternative lines of funding. The researchers had ample means to follow through with their intentions spelled out in DEFUSE, especially relatively inexpensive work but exciting work such as inserting human-specific furin cleavage sites in SARS CoV infectious clones.
In 2018, researchers indisputably proposed to insert human-specific furin cleavage sites in bat SARS-CoVs in a collaboration involving the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Their prior work creating recombinant CoVs used a particular method to construct infectious clones of viruses using reverse genetics systems.
In late 2019, SARS-CoV-2 emerged with a human-specific furin cleavage site in what otherwise looked like a bat SARS-CoV right outside the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This virus is anomalous among wild coronaviruses in just how consistent it is with reverse genetic systems, all the way down to silent mutations significantly concentrated in restriction sites.
Every single anomalous feature of SARS-CoV-2 that leads us to suspect a lab origin, features not seen in over 1,000 years of evolutionary time, was spelled out in a grant just over 1 year prior to the emergence of the virus. That grant did not propose to do its work in Atlanta nor Athens nor Cape Town nor Milan nor Buenos Aires. It proposed to do this work in Wuhan.
The virus with this lab-looking genome was not found in animals in the wet market. It was equally likely to be found underneath animal traders as vegetable traders. It did not cause a geographically widespread outbreak consistent with an animal trade outbreak. Simply put, it did not look zoonotic in ways that are easily explained by a lab origin, and it has a genome that looks exactly like a research product from a proposal to make recombinant bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
ElNono
03-21-2023, 12:56 PM
This thing isn't a matter of "faith" (I used to believe this, now I believe that), this is why these opinions are just that, opinion.
There's been no irrefutable, conclusive evidence that COVID came from one place or another. Better odds are it's zoonotic by virtue of the fact that the vast (60%+) majority of pathogens that infect humans come from there, but that's also not conclusive.
What is indeed very problematic is China's outright refusal to collaborate with investigations on this.
ElNono
03-21-2023, 12:58 PM
Peter Dasak's DEFUSE proposal at WIV
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966/defuse-proposal.pdf
We’ve gone over the geographic and genomic evidence that makes SARS-CoV-2 highly unusual among other SARS coronaviruses. SARS-CoV-2 emerged in Wuhan in 2019 far from the hotspots of wildlife coronavirus diversity, right next door to world leading labs studying wildlife coronaviruses, and it emerged with a human-specific furin cleavage site and the restriction map of an infectious clone.
Less than 1.5 years earlier, researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and elsewhere proposed to insert a human-specific furin cleavage site in a SARS coronavirus in Wuhan.
Read those last two paragraphs again.
The DEFUSE proposal is where researchers laid out their intentions to make a virus shockingly similar to SARS-CoV-2 in all of the ways in which SARS-CoV-2 is glaringly different from wildlife SARS coronaviruses.
The DEFUSE proposal was a grant proposal written by Peter Daszak at EcoHealth Alliance in NYC (EHA), Zheng-Li Shi at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina (UNC), Linfa Wang at Duke-NUS Singapore, and others. The proposal was submitted to DARPA’s PREEMPT call, a grant call looking for innovative ideas to preempt pathogen spillover before it occurs.
The DEFUSE proposal contained many specific aims: catching bats, sending samples from bats to labs, looking for viruses in the samples, studying and modifying the viruses in labs, developing raccoon poxvirus vaccines to boost immunity & protect bats against the viruses, testing the viruses + immune-boosting in bats, forecasting where spillover is most likely to occur, and deploying vaccines in wild bats to preempt spillover.
If you look on page 11 of the main document, page 13 of the online PDF above, under the section labelled “S2 proteolytic cleavage and glycosylation sites”, you can find the most important passage in this document.
The researchers propose to scan SARS-CoV genomes for potential furin cleavage sites and, where none exist, they propose to insert the appropriate cleavage sites. Specifically, they say:
”… we will introduce appropriate human-specific cleavage sites and evaluate growth potential in Vero and HAE cells”
In other words, a major aim of the DEFUSE proposal was to study furin cleavage sites, features never before documented in SARS CoVs. They would look for furin cleavage sites that might exist and, where none existed, they will introduce human-specific cleavage sites to create a virus not found in nature but hypothesized- for good mechanistic reasons based on our knowledge of furin cleavage sites - to have higher transmissibility in people and, consequently, a higher risk of causing a pandemic like the COVID-19 pandemic. Where none existed, researchers proposed to insert human-specific furin cleavage sites in viruses, and study whether or not their poxvirus vaccine protects bats from these unnatural coronaviruses they designed. Studies of the infectivity of high-risk strains in bats, and whether or not the immune boosting methods at Duke-NUS protected bats from high-risk strains, was proposed to take place at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
The DEFUSE grant was not funded, but that doesn’t mean the research didn’t continue. Scientists are often like actors: the show must go on. EcoHealth Alliance had many sources of funding, and the proposed research inserting a human-specific FCS in a bat SARS-CoV is relatively inexpensive. In fact, three PIs of DEFUSE - Peter Daszak, Lin-Fa Wang, and Zheng-Li Shi, had created a chimeric bat coronavirus in 2016 without the involvement of UNC. Peter Daszak had a grant at NIAID - Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence - that funded a collaboration between EcoHealth Alliance and Chinese researchers, including Zheng-Li Shi at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, to study bat coronaviruses in China (Ralph Baric was missing from both the 2016 paper and, apparently, the NIAID grant). The NIAID grant was listed in the acknowledgements for their construction of a recombinant bat SARS CoV in the 2016 paper. Researchers in China also had access to alternative lines of funding. The researchers had ample means to follow through with their intentions spelled out in DEFUSE, especially relatively inexpensive work but exciting work such as inserting human-specific furin cleavage sites in SARS CoV infectious clones.
In 2018, researchers indisputably proposed to insert human-specific furin cleavage sites in bat SARS-CoVs in a collaboration involving the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Their prior work creating recombinant CoVs used a particular method to construct infectious clones of viruses using reverse genetics systems.
In late 2019, SARS-CoV-2 emerged with a human-specific furin cleavage site in what otherwise looked like a bat SARS-CoV right outside the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This virus is anomalous among wild coronaviruses in just how consistent it is with reverse genetic systems, all the way down to silent mutations significantly concentrated in restriction sites.
Every single anomalous feature of SARS-CoV-2 that leads us to suspect a lab origin, features not seen in over 1,000 years of evolutionary time, was spelled out in a grant just over 1 year prior to the emergence of the virus. That grant did not propose to do its work in Atlanta nor Athens nor Cape Town nor Milan nor Buenos Aires. It proposed to do this work in Wuhan.
The virus with this lab-looking genome was not found in animals in the wet market. It was equally likely to be found underneath animal traders as vegetable traders. It did not cause a geographically widespread outbreak consistent with an animal trade outbreak. Simply put, it did not look zoonotic in ways that are easily explained by a lab origin, and it has a genome that looks exactly like a research product from a proposal to make recombinant bat coronaviruses in Wuhan.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
There's no counterpoint there to the paper I posted. Again, opinions are just opinions.
ElNono
03-21-2023, 01:00 PM
Not saying you seem to buy into conspiracies all the time, but if it walks like a duck...
This thing isn't a matter of "faith" (I used to believe this, now I believe that), this is why these opinions are just that, opinion.
There's been no irrefutable, conclusive evidence that COVID came from one place or another. Better odds are it's zoonotic by virtue of the fact that the vast (60%+) majority of pathogens that infect humans come from there, but that's also not conclusive.
What is indeed very problematic is China's outright refusal to collaborate with investigations on this.
There is extremely convincing evidence it came from a lab. I've yet to see any convincing evidence it was zoonotic and I'm waiting for someone to post it.
ElNono
03-21-2023, 01:04 PM
There is extremely convincing evidence it came from a lab. I've yet to see any convincing evidence it was zoonotic and I'm waiting for someone to post it.
Link to actual studies on that? Not somebody's personal blog, thanks.
You must've missed "Most human diseases originated in non-humans" and the linked study supporting that (which predates COVID, BTW).
I just think you don't understand what zoonotic means. You just been told it's the new word to hate.
Link to actual studies on that? Not somebody's personal blog, thanks.
You must've missed "Most human diseases originated in non-humans" and the linked study supporting that (which predates COVID, BTW).
I just think you don't understand what zoonotic means. You just been told it's the new word to hate.https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1
Your study predating COVID doesn't help your case, BTW.
I didn't miss that most human diseases originated in non-humans. A genetically modified virus could still have originated in non-humans.
I just don't think you understand the importance of a furin cleavage site never being observed in any prior SARS CoVs.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 01:28 PM
bioRxiv posts many COVID19-related papers. A reminder: they have not been formally peer-reviewed and should not guide health-related behavior or be reported in the press as conclusive.
Hmmm. :lol
ChumpDumper
03-21-2023, 01:34 PM
Is there a right wing conspiracy theory TSA didn't buy into?
ElNono
03-21-2023, 01:46 PM
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1
That's a preprint, but thanks for sharing.
Your study predating COVID doesn't help your case, BTW.
I didn't miss that most human diseases originated in non-humans. A genetically modified virus could still have originated in non-humans.
I just don't think you understand the importance of a furin cleavage site never being observed in any prior SARS CoVs.
Of course it helps my case that zoonotic is as old as humans, and not a matter of politics du jour. Again, that doesn't mean it's conclusive, irrefutable evidence, but that's basically the default origin for most every disease known to man.
The bar to claim something is zoonotic is very low because that's how most human diseases came to be, even before there was any type of gene manipulation available.
Conversely, the bar is high when it comes to making claims of not being zoonotic, for the same exact reason.
That's a preprint, but thanks for sharing.
Of course it helps my case that zoonotic is as old as humans, and not a matter of politics du jour. Again, that doesn't mean it's conclusive, irrefutable evidence, but that's basically the default origin for most every disease known to man.
The bar to claim something is zoonotic is very low because that's how most human diseases came to be, even before there was any type of gene manipulation available.
Conversely, the bar is high when it comes to making claims of not being zoonotic, for the same exact reason.
It doesn't help your case as the authors of the paper had never seen a virus with the genetic make up of covid-19 when it was written. Well...maybe one of the authors had seen it as it's highly likely he helped fund and create it. :lol
DarrinS
03-21-2023, 02:15 PM
"The researchers propose to scan SARS-CoV genomes for potential furin cleavage sites and, where none exist, they propose to insert the appropriate cleavage sites. Specifically, they say:
”… we will introduce appropriate human-specific cleavage sites and evaluate growth potential in Vero and HAE cells”
“If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later we woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I’d be a prime suspect,” said Jamie Metzl, a former executive vice president of the Asia Society, who sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing and has been calling for a transparent investigation into COVID-19’s origins.
bioRxiv posts many COVID19-related papers. A reminder: they have not been formally peer-reviewed and should not guide health-related behavior or be reported in the press as conclusive.
Hmmm. :lol
You just posted an article about a racoon dogs from a pre-print that wasn't released and claimed it proved covid wasn't engineered. Not only did it never claim that, but when the pre-print was finally released it was immediately torn to shreds by scientists around the world.
Just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself. You are in over your head fucknut.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 02:33 PM
You just posted an article about a racoon dogs from a pre-print that wasn't released and claimed it proved covid wasn't engineered. Not only did it never claim that, but when the pre-print was finally released it was immediately torn to shreds by scientists around the world.
Just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself. You are in over your head fucknut.
Idiot.
Of course I posted an article. The article described the findings of researchers. There is even more discussion in Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs/)). Their position is everything they know about zoonotic virus and Covid are consistent with their findings but it will never convince idiots like you.
"Given everything else we know about the early days of COVID and everything we know about zoonotic viruses, this fits. Is this going to put the lab-leak conspiracy to bed? No. Nothing will ever do that. But I think this should help convince more reasonable scientists."
You on the other hand, you provided a bullshit study link when asked by ElNono for evidence.
Go fuck off and sulk some more, idiot.
Idiot.
Of course I posted an article. The article described the findings of researchers. There is even more discussion in Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs/)). Their position is everything they know about zoonotic virus and Covid are consistent with their findings but it will never convince idiots like you.
"Given everything else we know about the early days of COVID and everything we know about zoonotic viruses, this fits. Is this going to put the lab-leak conspiracy to bed? No. Nothing will ever do that. But I think this should help convince more reasonable scientists."
You on the other hand, you provided a bullshit study link when asked by ElNono for evidence.
Go fuck off and sulk some more, idiot.
The pre-print that was just released from your article is being torn apart by the scientific community. It was a total shit study that ultimately concluded there were racoon dogs in the market...no shit there were racoon dogs in the market. The study never even claimed they found a racoon dog infected with covid yet somehow you came up with this gem after reading the article.
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
How did you even come to that conclusion after reading the article? :lol
I told you to just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself but if you aren't going to listen I'll just continue to mock you for the fucknut you are.
“If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later we woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I’d be a prime suspect,” said Jamie Metzl, a former executive vice president of the Asia Society, who sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing and has been calling for a transparent investigation into COVID-19’s origins.
Central Park painted itself purple naturally, duh.
Idiot.
Of course I posted an article. The article described the findings of researchers. There is even more discussion in Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-evidence-supports-animal-origin-of-covid-virus-through-raccoon-dogs/)). Their position is everything they know about zoonotic virus and Covid are consistent with their findings but it will never convince idiots like you.
"Given everything else we know about the early days of COVID and everything we know about zoonotic viruses, this fits. Is this going to put the lab-leak conspiracy to bed? No. Nothing will ever do that. But I think this should help convince more reasonable scientists."
You on the other hand, you provided a bullshit study link when asked by ElNono for evidence.
Go fuck off and sulk some more, idiot.
welp...it's getting even worse for the authors of the shit study :lol
https://twitter.com/KatherineEban/status/1638254050528358400
https://twitter.com/mbalter/status/1638227750090571776
https://twitter.com/mbalter/status/1638227754020642826
https://twitter.com/mbalter/status/1638227759196413954
https://twitter.com/mbalter/status/1638227764166664202
:lmao
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 02:54 PM
The pre-print that was just released from your article is being torn apart by the scientific community. It was a total shit study that ultimately concluded there were racoon dogs in the market...no shit there were racoon dogs in the market. The study never even claimed they found a racoon dog infected with covid yet somehow you came up with this gem after reading the article.
How did you even come to that conclusion after reading the article? :lol
I told you to just shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself but if you aren't going to listen I'll just continue to mock you for the fucknut you are.
:lol
Comments from you, the ST board idiot, on another of his conspiracies.
You still have provided no evidence that the virus was engineered and lab leaked.
Is there a conspiracy that you do not believe?
Damn you are gullible idiot.
https://twitter.com/BiosafetyNow/status/1637904820966236160
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
:lmao
:lol
Comments from you, the ST board idiot, on another of his conspiracies.
You still have provided no evidence that the virus was engineered and lab leaked.
Is there a conspiracy that you do not believe?
Damn you are gullible idiot.
It's your claim fucknut, or did someone else write the following?
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
Damn you are gullible idiot.
https://twitter.com/mattwridley/status/1638118394657398785
:lmao
And there it is.
You have asserted that "a genetic footprint that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus" is a fact, and provided one study that says "we can't rule it out" and one study that is non-peer reviewed, with a collection of other works cited.
Your best evidence put forward (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350709266_The_Origin_of_the_Coronavirus_Pandemic) didn't really cite any peer-reviewed evidence for this either. Read through it, and best typified by pg 97 of the pdf showing the peer-reviewed citations for his work. None of them address this hypothesis directly.
I find a hard time seeing how you have concluded this is a "fact" on so little peer-reviewed science.I've yet to find a single scientist saying they had seen an FCS on a SARS related CoV before SARS-CoV-2. Can you find one?
https://twitter.com/BiophysicsFL/status/1638192017535651841
When I initially saw the viral genome, in January 2020, I noticed a pretty esoteric thing. The virus we would later call SARS-CoV-2 has something called a furin cleavage site (FCS).
The FCS, which had never before been seen in a SARS-CoV-2-related coronavirus, is a genetic feature that makes it easier for a virus to infect human cells. So, when I saw this FCS on SARS-CoV-2, I knew it was going to make it easier to infect cells and easier to evade the immune system by tunneling into neighboring cells.
Knowing FCSs were not found in nature in these SARS-related viruses I also knew that for years scientists have been artificially putting new FCSs into viruses to see what they do, and in every case I have seen, in which they published their results, it has increased infectivity, transmissibility, pathogenicity, or a combination of them.
ElNono
03-21-2023, 03:13 PM
It doesn't help your case as the authors of the paper had never seen a virus with the genetic make up of covid-19 when it was written. Well...maybe one of the authors had seen it as it's highly likely he helped fund and create it. :lol
But that's a moot point. We discover new viruses all the time. The authors of everything you post will likely have never seen a virus with the genetic makeup we're going to discover in the next year or two. That doesn't mean anything.
We study what we have, and we've known for a very long time that the leading origin of human diseases, by a long mile, is zoonotic.
Damn you are gullible idiot.
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
https://twitter.com/VillanuevaPM/status/1638241998371971074
:lmao
ElNono
03-21-2023, 03:15 PM
I've yet to find a single scientist saying they had seen an FCS on a SARS related CoV before SARS-CoV-2. Can you find one?
https://twitter.com/BiophysicsFL/status/1638192017535651841
When I initially saw the viral genome, in January 2020, I noticed a pretty esoteric thing. The virus we would later call SARS-CoV-2 has something called a furin cleavage site (FCS).
The FCS, which had never before been seen in a SARS-CoV-2-related coronavirus, is a genetic feature that makes it easier for a virus to infect human cells. So, when I saw this FCS on SARS-CoV-2, I knew it was going to make it easier to infect cells and easier to evade the immune system by tunneling into neighboring cells.
Knowing FCSs were not found in nature in these SARS-related viruses I also knew that for years scientists have been artificially putting new FCSs into viruses to see what they do, and in every case I have seen, in which they published their results, it has increased infectivity, transmissibility, pathogenicity, or a combination of them.
When and if you find it, what are you going to say? That the dots didn't connect or just go on to blast the source?
Absence of evidence is not evidence.
ChumpDumper
03-21-2023, 03:17 PM
TSA in "flood the zone" mode again.
like cl:lolckw:lolrk
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 03:19 PM
Priceless
Great source, you magnificently triggered motherfucker: Paul Villanueva Accidental #OriginsofCovid hunter with 624 followers!!!!!
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Keep showing everyone what an idiot you are. :tu
When and if you find it, what are you going to say? That the dots didn't connect or just go on to blast the source?
Absence of evidence is not evidence.
The evidence is the FCS being seen first and only in SARS-CoV-2 and no previous SARS related viruses.
Better odds are it's zoonotic by virtue of the fact that the vast (60%+) majority of pathogens that infect humans come from there, but that's also not conclusive.
Something that has never been seen before developed naturally in a SARS virus has better odds of being zoonotic then being engineered in a lab? lol.
ChumpDumper
03-21-2023, 03:22 PM
Priceless
Great source, you magnificently triggered motherfucker: Paul Villanueva Accidental #OriginsofCovid hunter with 624 followers!!!!!
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Keep showing everyone what an idiot you are. :tu
BioSafetyNow!
39 Following
876 Followers
Dude just needs to post a link to the AR15.com thread where the other nuts dug up these sauces.
Priceless
Great source, you magnificently triggered motherfucker: Paul Villanueva Accidental #OriginsofCovid hunter with 624 followers!!!!!
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Keep showing everyone what an idiot you are. :tu
I'll continue highlighting what a fucking idiot you are :tu
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
What part of the article led you to claim this? Be specific.
:lmao
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 03:25 PM
BioSafetyNow!
39 Following
876 Followers
Dude just needs to post a link to the AR15.com thread where the other nuts dug up these sauces.
:lol
Derptacular would be proud of him.
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.
In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.
But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.
New York Times paywall:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1638222800128450565
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1638222804192731137
:lol muh followers
:lol
Derptacular would be proud of him.
Yeah what the fuck does the founder of biosafety know :rollin
Our Research
We study the biophysical mechanisms of gene regulation by quantitatively measuring and modeling sequence-function relationships.
Our experimental work uses massively parallel reporter assays (MPRAs) to measure the effects that variant gene regulatory sequences have on gene expression. We pursue this experimental work in two biological contexts: alternative mRNA splicing in human cells and transcriptional regulation in bacteria.
Our theoretical and computational work develops methods for analyzing the data produced by MPRAs and other highly multiplexed assays. We aim to extract biophysically meaningful models of regulatory sequence function, but also to understand the quantitative nature of sequence-function relationships more broadly. These efforts include deploying robust software for use by the larger genomics community.
https://kinneylab.labsites.cshl.edu/
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 03:33 PM
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1638222800128450565
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1638222804192731137
:lol muh followers
If "several experts said the claim were misleading," your conspiracy theory must be right.
Keep rage posting, idiot! :lol
ChumpDumper
03-21-2023, 03:34 PM
ConfirmationBiasNow!
ChumpDumper
03-21-2023, 03:37 PM
If the right wing is accusing China of engineering and releasing a virus that the right wing claim was only the sniffles, why care now?
If "several experts said the claim were misleading," your conspiracy theory must be right.
Keep rage posting, idiot! :lolNot only was your study misleading but also the scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAID :lmao
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
You still haven't said how you came to this conclusion. So embarrassed you are forced to ignore and deflect...poor fella.
ChumpDumper
03-21-2023, 03:49 PM
1630300517409648642
China: No.
Now what?
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 03:58 PM
Not only was your study misleading but also the scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAID :lmao
You still haven't said how you came to this conclusion. So embarrassed you are forced to ignore and deflect...poor fella.
I thought you were joking.
Do you not understand what calling it a zoonotic virus means?
Jesus Christ you are an idiot.
boutons_deux
03-21-2023, 03:59 PM
They found racoon-dog DNA in samples. Not just that there were racoon-dogs in the market
boutons_deux
03-21-2023, 04:00 PM
Genetic Evidence Ties Covid’s Origin to Raccoon Dogs
New data support the theory that the virus causing Covid-19 first spread to humans from animals
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-evidence-ties-covids-origin-to-raccoon-dogs-180981846/
boutons_deux
03-21-2023, 04:09 PM
many 100Ks of manslaughter by Trash and his mafiya
‘We Were Helpless’:
Despair at the C.D.C. as the Pandemic Erupted
Current and former employees recall rising desperation as Trump administration officials squelched research into the new coronavirus.
All through February 2020, agency scientists had been gathering evidence that
the new coronavirus was being spread by people without symptoms.
In early March, the C.D.C. said that any employee who had been deployed elsewhere to track Covid-19 must isolate at home for 14 days, whether or not he or she had symptoms.
C.D.C. leaders realized that the virus was being spread not just by people who were coughing and sneezing,
but also by people who were not visibly ill. But the agency had not yet warned the public.
“All of us knew tens of thousands were going to die, and we were helpless to stop it,”
said Dr. Daniel Wozniczka, one of the trainees.
“It was really heartbreaking and difficult on a psychological level not to be able to do anything.”
It is generally known that morale at the C.D.C. plummeted as Trump administration officials sought to squelch dissent among career scientists who disagreed with the White House’s handling of the pandemic.
Interviews with 11 current and former agency employees, ... portray
an agency under intense pressure from the country’s political leaders.
Some younger staff members wrestled with
guilt, anger and a rising sense of powerlessness as administration officials meddled with or simply disregarded important scientific research.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/health/covid-cdc.html
They found racoon-dog DNA in samples. Not just that there were racoon-dogs in the market
:lmao
Genetic Evidence Ties Covid’s Origin to Raccoon Dogs
New data support the theory that the virus causing Covid-19 first spread to humans from animals
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-evidence-ties-covids-origin-to-raccoon-dogs-180981846/
:lmao
I thought you were joking.
Do you not understand what calling it a zoonotic virus means?
Jesus Christ you are an idiot.You constantly project, idiot.
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
What evidence from the article you linked supports this claim. You've repeatedly failed to support your claim. Time to man up fucknut.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 04:42 PM
You constantly project, idiot.
What evidence from the article you linked supports this claim. You've repeatedly failed to support your claim. Time to man up fucknut.
You want me to spoon feed you on what zoonotic virus means and that the researchers called it zoonotic?
From the researchers, had you bothered to read:
"Well, first, I’d like to just say that even before these data came out, the preponderance of scientific evidence (unlike shit posted by QTSA - for emphasis) has pointed to a natural zoonotic spillover [an animal disease jumping into humans] for quite some time. These new data are entirely consistent with that scenario. Now, what’s important here is that I think it’s a mischaracterization to say that these sequences show that raccoon dogs, or any other mammal host species, were infected with these viruses because all we’re showing is co-occurrence of genetic material from host environments. It’s not the same as swabbing a raccoon dog. And it’s not the same as watching a raccoon dog transmit a virus to a human—something, of course, we never see. We never get that level of evidence. But first and foremost, this is forensic evidence that these putative host animals were present at the market. There’s no more question about that. And they were there in the same place as the virus.
Now, clearly, some of these environmental samples have the virus in them because of infected humans. But it strains the imagination to say it was only humans who were depositing this virus all over places where susceptible hosts were and that this is just humans giving it to animals. Given everything else we know about the early days of COVID and everything we know about zoonotic viruses, this fits.
Is this going to put the lab-leak conspiracy to bed? No. Nothing will ever do that. But I think this should help convince more reasonable scientists (but never shitposters like QTSA who are still looking for hillary's emails and a basement at CometPizza). "
So fuck off, idiot.
You want me to spoon feed you on what zoonotic virus means and that the researchers called it zoonotic?
From the researchers, had you bothered to read:
"Well, first, I’d like to just say that even before these data came out, the preponderance of scientific evidence (unlike shit posted by QTSA - for emphasis) has pointed to a natural zoonotic spillover [an animal disease jumping into humans] for quite some time. These new data are entirely consistent with that scenario. Now, what’s important here is that I think it’s a mischaracterization to say that these sequences show that raccoon dogs, or any other mammal host species, were infected with these viruses because all we’re showing is co-occurrence of genetic material from host environments. It’s not the same as swabbing a raccoon dog. And it’s not the same as watching a raccoon dog transmit a virus to a human—something, of course, we never see. We never get that level of evidence. But first and foremost, this is forensic evidence that these putative host animals were present at the market. There’s no more question about that. And they were there in the same place as the virus.
Now, clearly, some of these environmental samples have the virus in them because of infected humans. But it strains the imagination to say it was only humans who were depositing this virus all over places where susceptible hosts were and that this is just humans giving it to animals. Given everything else we know about the early days of COVID and everything we know about zoonotic viruses, this fits.
Is this going to put the lab-leak conspiracy to bed? No. Nothing will ever do that. But I think this should help convince more reasonable scientists (but never shitposters like QTSA who are still looking for hillary's emails and a basement at CometPizza). "
So fuck off, idiot.
Nothing you just quoted and nothing in their entire shit study backs your definitive claim that the virus was not engineered. Nothing.
The big find of the study?!?!
But first and foremost, this is forensic evidence that these putative host animals were present at the market. There’s no more question about that. And they were there in the same place as the virus. OMG WHAT A REVELATION THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING :rollin
Not only was your shit study misleading but also the unethical scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAID.
So fucknut, why are you pushing a shit study from unethical researchers that was immediately shredded when finally released to the public?
It’s not even a pre-print :lmao
https://twitter.com/VBruttel/status/1637986544857350145
https://twitter.com/VBruttel/status/1637993362807463936
https://twitter.com/VBruttel/status/1637999544880312321
ElNono
03-21-2023, 05:22 PM
The evidence is the FCS being seen first and only in SARS-CoV-2 and no previous SARS related viruses.
That's a claim that will need to be substantiated, which it hasn't yet. Viruses developing new features is nothing certainly new, and I'm pretty sure you're cognizant of that.
Something that has never been seen before developed naturally in a SARS virus has better odds of being zoonotic then being engineered in a lab? lol.
We find viruses with features we haven't seen before all the time, and the vast majority of time is indeed zoonotic, so yes, the better odds are zoonotic until proven otherwise.
Ef-man
03-21-2023, 05:26 PM
Nothing you just quoted and nothing in their entire shit study backs your definitive claim that the virus was not engineered. Nothing.
The big find of the study?!?! OMG WHAT A REVELATION THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING :rollin
Not only was your shit study misleading but also the unethical scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAID.
So fucknut, why are you pushing a shit study from unethical researchers that was immediately shredded when finally released to the public?
You got your shit pushed in and can only lash out, “not definitive.” That the best you can do?
Brilliant, why not just scream “Stop the Steal,” “Hugo Chavez Servers in Germany,” or “CometPizza.”
Cling to your conspiracies until your dying days if you wish. Am sure your family will enjoy your final words, “Her Emails, Her Emails.”
Idiot.
pgardn
03-21-2023, 06:01 PM
Fauci used his political influence and power to suppress dissenting opinion, discredit, and marginalize scientists looking into the lab leak theory while secretly commissioning the drafting of the proximal origin paper to elevate his natural origin theory.
He did a fine job. marginalized least likely scenarios is how it’s done.
We still need more info from the Chinese concerning the SPREAD in China after people in China were ALREADY getting very sick.
the epidemiology of the spread will be the most important information.
Sorry you did not get a pizza delivery for an incredibly efficient spreading virus genetically engineered by the Chinese and purposely released. How the hell did the Chinese now how to manipulate the genes properly so it would spread so incredibly in the air.
What part of the sequence was manipulated and how did this exact manipulation cause such an efficient spread. And how did they know it would work so well? Where are the experiments that the Chinese did that allowed them to know this would be global?
Good God they are soooooo far ahead of us in viral manipulation! They know what works, no need to rely on natural selection! Poof!
pgardn
03-21-2023, 06:04 PM
That's a claim that will need to be substantiated, which it hasn't yet. Viruses developing new features is nothing certainly new, and I'm pretty sure you're cognizant of that.
We find viruses with features we haven't seen before all the time, and the vast majority of time is indeed zoonotic, so yes, the better odds are zoonotic until proven otherwise.
He has been told the same thing over and over.
You see species have not evolved new features. They are produced magically by God and bad men of our choosing.
DarrinS
03-21-2023, 07:51 PM
an incredibly efficient spreading virus genetically engineered by the Chinese and purposely released.
Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw. :lol
How the hell did the Chinese now how to manipulate the genes properly so it would spread so incredibly in the air.
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
clambake
03-21-2023, 08:53 PM
Karrin is a trip, man
ChumpDumper
03-21-2023, 10:48 PM
Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw. :lol
Don't educate yourself about Boston University whatever you do.
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
You said it's the sniffles.
COVID bad now?
pgardn
03-22-2023, 07:55 AM
Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw. :lol
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
You completely forgot the Fox “scientist” that said the virus was purposely released.
You said you had never seen such a claim and then PROMPTLY shut up.
You might need to bow out again. Go back and read it again.
I am telling you many Trumpsters are still making this claim. You need to do rehab on them Dr. D.
Tell them about the havoc it would reek with their own people and your dog, BEFORE the variant was even supposedly produced.
pgardn
03-22-2023, 08:14 AM
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
Tell me how this cleavage site improves the ability of the virus to remain suspended in the air in large numbers. Are you saying the Chinese knew this site would improve the ability of the ability to become airborne? If not tell us how this cleavage site improves the ability to do what? The virus was already out and about by this time IN China. For a good while. It is much more likely that the mutated site found in patients AT A LATER DATE was a product of MUTATION and natural selection. There are all sorts of variants less frequently found in nature have these types of mutations.
Furthermore, researchers are human. If they get a big shout out “it’s possible” (although highly improbable) garners more attention. (And funding) Science is boring when a paper is presented that says very likely mutations and natural selection (evolution). That’s boring. You want headlines. When the blue team is deemed to throw out shit to see if it will stick, you turn into NO SENSATIONALISM Dr. D. “The virus is a mere cold. No worries”
Now it’s become a monster created in a lab:spin And yes, your team still puts purposely let out. Deal with them Big D.
RandomGuy
03-22-2023, 08:24 AM
This is a solid read that makes the case for a lab leak.
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-case-for-a-lab-origin-of-sars
An informed take, but not peer-reviewed science. Again. Part of pattern in conspiracy theories.
If the author is confident of his conclusions, he should be publishing in a journal.
If I had a nickel for every time I have looked into theories here of people claiming "facts" around something controversial, and found no peer reviewed science to back it up...
Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.
Sadly as several of these links have noted, the Chinese government itself hinders our ability to study this to the level we would need to in order to establish this as a fact.
Until then, it is a hypothesis, and a good one.
But not something I would take for truth. The burden of proof has not been met.
RandomGuy
03-22-2023, 08:25 AM
Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw. :lol
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
but can you take its temperature in another room?
An informed take, but not peer-reviewed science. Again. Part of pattern in conspiracy theories.
If the author is confident of his conclusions, he should be publishing in a journal.
If I had a nickel for every time I have looked into theories here of people claiming "facts" around something controversial, and found no peer reviewed science to back it up...
Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.
Sadly as several of these links have noted, the Chinese government itself hinders our ability to study this to the level we would need to in order to establish this as a fact.
Until then, it is a hypothesis, and a good one.
But not something I would take for truth. The burden of proof has not been met.
The author is publishing. Pre-print I linked earlier.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1
The burden of proof has not been met but the evidence coming out now is strongly pointing to a lab leak. Even a majority of democrats think it's true or probably true it leaked from a lab. I'm in that camp as well. I am not in the camp that thinks it was released on purpose.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/03/10/americans-believe-covid-origin-lab
The group of researchers now that keep pushing zoonotic origin are a small but vocal group. The latest push with the shitty racoon dog study that got them kicked off of GISAID for violating the terms of service was pathetic. They purposely rushed to release the report to get ahead of the Gao pre-print that was going to be released to the public. Absolutely disgusting behavior by them and shame on the Atlantic for helping the push the story.
You got your shit pushed in and can only lash out, “not definitive.” That the best you can do?
Brilliant, why not just scream “Stop the Steal,” “Hugo Chavez Servers in Germany,” or “CometPizza.”
Cling to your conspiracies until your dying days if you wish. Am sure your family will enjoy your final words, “Her Emails, Her Emails.”
Idiot.
Question pending fucknut. Why are you pushing a shit study from unethical researchers that was immediately shredded when finally released to the public?
That's a claim that will need to be substantiated, which it hasn't yet. Viruses developing new features is nothing certainly new, and I'm pretty sure you're cognizant of that.
We find viruses with features we haven't seen before all the time, and the vast majority of time is indeed zoonotic, so yes, the better odds are zoonotic until proven otherwise.
In the entire history of SARS virus an FCS has never been seen occurring in nature. SARS virus having this is certainly new. The better odds are not zoonotic, agree to disagree.
He did a fine job. marginalized least likely scenarios is how it’s done.
We still need more info from the Chinese concerning the SPREAD in China after people in China were ALREADY getting very sick.
the epidemiology of the spread will be the most important information.
Sorry you did not get a pizza delivery for an incredibly efficient spreading virus genetically engineered by the Chinese and purposely released. How the hell did the Chinese now how to manipulate the genes properly so it would spread so incredibly in the air.
What part of the sequence was manipulated and how did this exact manipulation cause such an efficient spread. And how did they know it would work so well? Where are the experiments that the Chinese did that allowed them to know this would be global?
Good God they are soooooo far ahead of us in viral manipulation! They know what works, no need to rely on natural selection! Poof!
How many fucking times do I have to tell you I never thought or said it the Chinese released it on purpose. You need to start taking notes, your memory is terrible.
The author is publishing. Pre-print I linked earlier.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1
The burden of proof has not been met but the evidence coming out now is strongly pointing to a lab leak. Even a majority of democrats think it's true or probably true it leaked from a lab. I'm in that camp as well. I am not in the camp that thinks it was released on purpose.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/03/10/americans-believe-covid-origin-lab
The group of researchers now that keep pushing zoonotic origin are a small but vocal group. The latest push with the shitty racoon dog study that got them kicked off of GISAID for violating the terms of service was pathetic. They purposely rushed to release the report to get ahead of the Gao pre-print that was going to be released to the public. Absolutely disgusting behavior by them and shame on the Atlantic for helping the push the story.
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1638412213290668032
ElNono
03-22-2023, 01:07 PM
In the entire history of SARS virus an FCS has never been seen occurring in nature. SARS virus having this is certainly new. The better odds are not zoonotic, agree to disagree.
We haven't seen HIV since the 70's/80's. That was 'new' then, including everything from it's genetic makeup to the way it infects to it's ability to rapidly mutate.
Gene mutations happen all the time in nature as well, as we all know very well, not just with COVID.
Again, it's not irrefutable proof it's zoonotic or not. China does deserve blame for being recalcitrant when investigating the origins of this.
pgardn
03-22-2023, 01:10 PM
How many fucking times do I have to tell you I never thought or said it the Chinese released it on purpose. You need to start taking notes, your memory is terrible.
I don’t know what you believe you fkn moron. You have changed your line of discourse from the beginning of all this.
Darrin was the one that said NO ONE has said it was purposely released and I immediately got the Fox article up.
YOU COMMENTED that the author was a virologist and a medical doctor implying it could be legit.
I commented she is a gadfly. Did you look that up?
TSA?
Why are labs in the US PURPOSEFULLY producing the cleavage site in viruses as I type this?
Why are we doing this?
TSA again: You have sequences in you that NO OTHER HUMAN ON EARTH HAS?
Were you produced in a lab? Besides the lab of planet Earth?
Im holding back on quite a lot so be patient. I’m trying to understand the giant holes in your knowledge.
I know you exhibited great joy when you finally realized genetic engineering was the same as another procedure so this is good for you.
Or not.
Ef-man
03-22-2023, 01:18 PM
Question pending fucknut. Why are you pushing a shit study from unethical researchers that was immediately shredded when finally released to the public?
I have provided my response.
You on the other hand, have bent the knee, as you admit having only a conspiracy.
So fuck off, you welsher.
We haven't seen HIV since the 70's/80's. That was 'new' then, including everything from it's genetic makeup to the way it infects to it's ability to rapidly mutate.
Gene mutations happen all the time in nature as well, as we all know very well, not just with COVID.
Again, it's not irrefutable proof it's zoonotic or not. China does deserve blame for being recalcitrant when investigating the origins of this.
Are you familiar with the DEFUSE proposal?
I don’t know what you believe you fkn moron. You have changed your line of discourse from the beginning of all this.
Darrin was the one that said NO ONE has said it was purposely released and I immediately got the Fox article up.
YOU COMMENTED that the author was a virologist and a medical doctor implying it could be legit.
I commented she is a gadfly. Did you look that up?Here you go lying again, you just can't help yourself. My story never changed, I always said I thought it was a lab leak. Never once said I though it was done on purpose by the Chinese. Write that down in a notebook and get your facts straight.
I commented on the researcher on Fox because you asked why they would interview her and I quoted her credentials from the article you posted to simply provide information on why Fox might interview her. Never implied it could be legit, another lie from you.
TSA?
Why are labs in the US PURPOSEFULLY producing the cleavage site in viruses as I type this?
Why are we doing this?Gain of function/loss of function research is done "to better
understand the transmission, infection, and pathogenesis of
viruses. Through such knowledge, scientists hope to
improve our understanding of human-pathogen interactions,
aid in assessments of potential pandemic pathogens, and
further public health preparedness." https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12021[/quote]
TSA again: You have sequences in you that NO OTHER HUMAN ON EARTH HAS?
Were you produced in a lab? Besides the lab of planet Earth?
Im holding back on quite a lot so be patient. I’m trying to understand the giant holes in your knowledge.
I know you exhibited great joy when you finally realized genetic engineering was the same as another procedure so this is good for you.
Or not.Time to take your meds.
pgardn
03-22-2023, 02:25 PM
:lol
"Does not rule out"
Here you go.
This is total bs and completely avoids PROBABILITY based on what we already know.
”We cannot completely rule out “
We can with high probability say TSA is the only person ever to have the 3.2 billion base pair order he now has.
”but I need my meds?” You are a disingenuous lying bastard.
pgardn
03-22-2023, 02:34 PM
Why did Fox pick her for an interview? :lol
“Yan was a respected doctor who specialized in virology and immunology at the Hong Kong School of Public Health before fleeing in April 2020 after she began looking into the growing number of cases coming out of mainland China that involved human-to-human transmission.”
You are truly retarded, and a liar.
And :lmao at you just carrying on in this thread like you weren’t just exposed as a serial liar.
So YOU believe she is a respected Doctor? A Doctor, so she deserves a spot on Fox, this is clearly what you are implying.
fkn liar. The respected doctor is a gadfly. Look it up again. I said so way back. But being a Fox News Bible guy…
pgardn
03-22-2023, 02:37 PM
So what does the gain of function/loss research say RIGHT NOW?
What is the consensus and why do you think the consensus IS NOT LAB ORIGIN? (or maybe you don’t because “not ruled out bullshit”)
Again, have you looked at the timing of the outbreak IN CHINA and the research?
Lastly we have not looked in nearly enough animals and then finding the path will be difficult.
This is much more probable than a lab produced virus for the reasons I have already listed that you continue to be unable to fathom.
koriwhat
03-22-2023, 02:55 PM
So what does the gain of function/loss research say RIGHT NOW?
What is the consensus and why do you think the consensus IS NOT LAB ORIGIN? (or maybe you don’t because “not ruled out bullshit”)
Again, have you looked at the timing of the outbreak IN CHINA and the research?
Lastly we have not looked in nearly enough animals and then finding the path will be difficult.
This is much more probable than a lab produced virus for the reasons I have already listed that you continue to be unable to fathom.
^
Def a useful idiot with fingers in ears and a blindfold on.
pgardn
03-22-2023, 02:57 PM
^
Def a useful idiot with fingers in ears and a blindfold on.
Like you would understand one way or the other concerning this topic.
Stick to “fk this and that” child.
koriwhat
03-22-2023, 03:00 PM
Like you would understand one way or the other concerning this topic.
Stick to “fk this and that” child.
Yeah yeah no one understands anything but you clearly... :lmao
Keep pretending Mr Knowitall. :tu
So YOU believe she is a respected Doctor? A Doctor, so she deserves a spot on Fox, this is clearly what you are implying.
fkn liar. The respected doctor is a gadfly. Look it up again. I said so way back. But being a Fox News Bible guy…
I wasn't implying anything, I was just answering your question. Fox must have thought she was worthy of an interview. You get caught up in such stupid shit and you need to just let this go.
ElNono
03-22-2023, 03:07 PM
Are you familiar with the DEFUSE proposal?
I am. It was a proposal rejected by DARPA. What does that has to do with the fact that:
1) The vast majority of human diseases are zoonotic.
2) We discover new viruses all the time, with new or different genetic makeups.
Let's try to stay on topic at least...
pgardn
03-22-2023, 03:09 PM
I wasn't implying anything, I was just answering your question. Fox must have thought she was worthy of an interview. You get caught up in such stupid shit and you need to just let this go.
You got caught in the stupid shit dumbass.
This was FOR Darrin.
Let it go. You tell me to let it go?
FOX interviewed her BECAUSE she said it was PURPOSELY released. Don’t act like a retard.
If this same doctor had said animal origin she would have never been on.
This whole thing is clearly because we don’t know the animal origin of a brand new disease YET, it’s from a Chinese lab.
It’s like we have never traced a virus back to an animal source for you. It’s much more probable, end of story.
So what does the gain of function/loss research say RIGHT NOW?
What is the consensus and why do you think the consensus IS NOT LAB ORIGIN? (or maybe you don’t because “not ruled out bullshit”)
Again, have you looked at the timing of the outbreak IN CHINA and the research?
Lastly we have not looked in nearly enough animals and then finding the path will be difficult.
This is much more probable than a lab produced virus for the reasons I have already listed that you continue to be unable to fathom.I don't understand your first question. Please clear that up.
The public consensus is lab origin, democrats also are in the majority thinking that. I don't know the consensus of scientists/doctors...if you have a poll to share that would be great.
The timing of it being engineered at WIV and leaked fit perfectly. Two years before the outbreak Peter Daszak, Ralph Baric, and the Chinese bat lady sent a proposal to DARPA to conduct GOF that would insert the FCS in SARS like coronaviruses.
Here is the proposal to conduct the research at WIV.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal
Just over one year ago, a TOP SECRET “biodefense” research proposal called Project DEFUSE was leaked to the public by DRASTIC. The proposal was originally submitted to DARPA [the DEFENSE ADVANCED RESEARCH PROJECTS AGENCY] on behalf of EcoHealth Alliance in March 2018.
The proposed research would take some 180 previously unreported SARS-like coronaviruses, insert human specific furin cleavage sites into them, and then pass these genetically engineered viruses through Human Airway Epithelium cell cultures to test their pathogenicity to humans.
Experts have called this research proposal “a blueprint” for creating SARS-CoV-2 in a lab.
Principal investigators listed in the Project DEFUSE proposal were Peter Daszak, President of EcoHealth Alliance, GOF-Meister Ralph Baric from the University of North Carolina, and the Bat Lady, Shi Zhengli, from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Peter Daszak and DARPA have denied Project DEFUSE was ever carried out.
On October 6th, we learned that one of the reviewers of that Project DEFUSE proposal reported that the research was already underway when the proposal was submitted to DARPA in March 2018. Today I review what we know about Project DEFUSE and how that research may provide the missing link in the search for the origin of COVID-19.
https://straighttalkmd.libsyn.com/project-defuse-the-origin-of-covid-19
pgardn
03-22-2023, 03:15 PM
Yeah yeah no one understands anything but you clearly... :lmao
Keep pretending Mr Knowitall. :tu
Sorry I know a whole bunch more about this stuff because I was trained for it.
Typical Trumper statement.
Like I could come into your shop and make a much better tattoo than you?
I would not even know the instruments or what to do first.
The mantra of a Trumper is not to believe people when they don’t like the answers, even if the people know their stuff. Because these experts are always trying to fool the sheeple. For no good reason. I have absolutely no reason to like the Chinese government. In fact it’s the other way. I don’t like totalitarian basically one party systems like RUSSIA and China. Their people have very little freedom.
I am. It was a proposal rejected by DARPA. What does that has to do with the fact that:
1) The vast majority of human diseases are zoonotic.
2) We discover new viruses all the time, with new or different genetic makeups.
Let's try to stay on topic at least...
DARPA is not the only opportunity for funding. The outbreak started where WIV is located. This is completely on topic.
You got caught in the stupid shit dumbass.
This was FOR Darrin.
Let it go. You tell me to let it go?
FOX interviewed her BECAUSE she said it was PURPOSELY released. Don’t act like a retard.
If this same doctor had said animal origin she would have never been on.
This whole thing is clearly because we don’t know the animal origin of a brand new disease YET, it’s from a Chinese lab.
It’s like we have never traced a virus back to an animal source for you. It’s much more probable, end of story.
L.I.G.
koriwhat
03-22-2023, 03:19 PM
Sorry I know a whole bunch more about this stuff because I was trained for it.
Typical Trumper statement.
Like I could come into your shop and make a much better tattoo than you?
I would not even know the instruments or what to do first.
The mantra of a Trumper is not to believe people when they don’t like the answers, even if the people know their stuff. Because these experts are always trying to fool the sheeple. For no good reason. I have absolutely no reason to like the Chinese government. In fact it’s the other way. I don’t like totalitarian basically one party systems like RUSSIA and China. Their people have very little freedom.
You literally are nothing but assumptions huh? This is why I call you Mr Knowitall and not because you were "trained in it" PG.
Trumper this and Trumper that... STFU already with you crackpot assumptions Mr Knowitall. :tu
pgardn
03-22-2023, 03:20 PM
I don't understand your first question. Please clear that up.
The public consensus is lab origin, democrats also are in the majority thinking that. I don't know the consensus of scientists/doctors...if you have a poll to share that would be great.
The timing of it being engineered at WIV and leaked fit perfectly. Two years before the outbreak Peter Daszak, Ralph Baric, and the Chinese bat lady sent a proposal to DARPA to conduct GOF that would insert the FCS in SARS like coronaviruses.
Here is the proposal to conduct the research at WIV.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal
Just over one year ago, a TOP SECRET “biodefense” research proposal called Project DEFUSE was leaked to the public by DRASTIC. The proposal was originally submitted to DARPA [the DEFENSE ADVANCED RESEARCH PROJECTS AGENCY] on behalf of EcoHealth Alliance in March 2018.
The proposed research would take some 180 previously unreported SARS-like coronaviruses, insert human specific furin cleavage sites into them, and then pass these genetically engineered viruses through Human Airway Epithelium cell cultures to test their pathogenicity to humans.
Experts have called this research proposal “a blueprint” for creating SARS-CoV-2 in a lab.
Principal investigators listed in the Project DEFUSE proposal were Peter Daszak, President of EcoHealth Alliance, GOF-Meister Ralph Baric from the University of North Carolina, and the Bat Lady, Shi Zhengli, from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Peter Daszak and DARPA have denied Project DEFUSE was ever carried out.
On October 6th, we learned that one of the reviewers of that Project DEFUSE proposal reported that the research was already underway when the proposal was submitted to DARPA in March 2018. Today I review what we know about Project DEFUSE and how that research may provide the missing link in the search for the origin of COVID-19.
https://straighttalkmd.libsyn.com/project-defuse-the-origin-of-covid-19
The gain of function research on this virus says it’s very easy to render the virus incapable of being infectious and so far we have NOT FOUND A CLEAR ANIMAL PATH because this is a NEW virus and we have not tested nearly enough animals. Gain of function research is done to mainly used to study animal human pathways.
The PUBLIC consensus is that ghosts exist as well so go for it.
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i will return
He did a fine job. marginalized least likely scenarios is how it’s done.
:lol
“The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” is one of the most influential scientific articles in history.
In February 2020 — about a month before a pandemic had been declared — five top virologists huddled to examine aspects of a rapidly emerging coronavirus that seemed primed to infect human cells. In particular, a unique feature called the furin cleavage site caused concern, and even kept one virologist up all night. A few days later, the virologists concluded the virus had not been engineered. In March, their conclusions were published in Nature Medicine.
“We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” the article read.
The article assured much of the media, Washington and the broader infectious disease community that there was no need to scrutinize the labs at the pandemic’s epicenter in Wuhan, China. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is well known for research on SARS-like coronaviruses, including gain-of-function research. Though a “correspondence” and not a formal paper, the article has been cited in the press 2, 127 times.
It took 15 months and Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to reveal that each of the five authors had expressed private concerns about engineering or the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s store of novel coronaviruses and work in relatively low biosafety levels.
Also troubling: A confidential teleconference had framed early drafts of the article. But several scientists on the call had undisclosed conflicts of interest.
Wellcome Trust Director Jeremy Farrar organized the teleconference at the request of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci.
NIAID had funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology — a fact Fauci had been alerted to by late January. Minutes after being alerted by one of the virologists to gain-of-function research underway in Wuhan, Fauci dispatched an aide to determine whether his institute had funded this work. Fauci was conferring with the National Security Council and the White House almost daily at that time, his schedule shows.
Also present on the call for “advice and leadership ” but not publicly credited: director of the National Institutes of Health Francis Collins.
Two authors were later found to have collaborated with the Wuhan lab or its American partner, EcoHealth Alliance.
Christian Drosten, a prominent virologist who participated in the teleconference, was once listed as a participant in a “virus hunting” project co-led by EcoHealth Alliance.
Ron Fouchier, another virologist who shaped the article’s central ideas without credit, is synonymous with controversial viral engineering.
The authors of the “proximal origin” article are Scripps Research virologist Kristian Andersen, University of Sydney virologist Edward Holmes, Tulane School of Medicine virologist Robert Garry, University of Edinburgh virologist Andrew Rambaut and Columbia University virologist Ian Lipkin.
Another virologist was notably absent.
To Farrar, Holmes and Andersen, the work of another American virologist appeared to be “a how-to manual for building the Wuhan coronavirus in a laboratory.”
North Carolina University virologist Ralph Baric, a close collaborator of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, is a leading expert on coronaviruses and engineering techniques. His research had been at the center of the gain-of-function debate in the U.S. a few years earlier, sparking concerns it could generate “SARS 2.0.”
Several of his papers were discussed on the call, according to presentation slides obtained under FOIA.
But because of his ties to the Wuhan lab, he was left out of the discussion, according to Holmes.
“We decided not to invite Ralph Baric just because he was too close to the WIV. … He’s a great virologist. He’s guilty of nothing, I’ll tell you that right now. But we wanted to make it a proper investigation,” Holmes said in a December 2022 interview.
This timeline compiles numerous sources in an effort to covey the backstory of the enormously influential article. The timeline is likely to grow as more information emerges. All times have been approximated to Eastern Time.
Farrar said that “proximal origin” was motivated by the absence of an investigation by the WHO. However, emails show that Farrar simultaneously shepherded along the article and appealed to the WHO.
In reality, Farrar expressed a desire to leaders at the WHO to “get ahead of the science and the narrative of this.” Fauci agreed.
Four days after flagging aspects of the genome that appeared engineered, Andersen coauthored an early draft which stated that such a scenario would be “largely incompatible with the data.” After days of discussing the possibility of the furin cleavage site arising from serial passage in the lab — a method of making a virus more dangerous in the lab without engineering — the possibility was dismissed in the final report.
Farrar described the frenzy and panic preceding the publication of “proximal origin.”
“Just a few of us – Eddie, Kristian, Tony and I – were now privy to sensitive information that, if proved to be true, might set off a whole series of events that would be far bigger than any of us. It felt as if a storm was gathering,” he said.
The aim, Farrar told his colleagues at the time, was to “lay down a respected statement to frame whatever debate goes on – before that debate gets out of hand with potentially hugely damaging ramifications.”
The scientists’ familiarity with the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on novel coronaviruses calls into question a central premise of the paper — that SARS-CoV-2 could not have been engineered because it appeared to be novel.
Summary
January 27, 2020: Fauci learned he funds the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
January 29, 2020: Andersen discovered a paper describing gain-of-function techniques with coronaviruses involving the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Farrar asks to speak with Fauci.
January 31, 2020: Fauci and Andersen spoke privately. Four virologists, including three authors of the article — Andersen, Holmes and Garry — found the virus to be “inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory.”
February 1, 2020: Farrar organized a secret teleconference between the virologists and NIH. Separately, Fauci sought to learn more about which projects NIAID funded at the lab.
February 2, 2020: The virologists exchanged thoughts. Several leaned toward a lab origin. Garry said he cannot understand how SARS-CoV-2 could have emerged naturally after comparing it to RaTG13. The scientists express concerns about work with coronaviruses being done in Wuhan in BSL-2 conditions.”Wild west,” said Farrar. Farrar emphasized the importance of publishing something quickly to counteract “lurid” claims emerging about a lab origin.
February 4, 2020: A draft was circulated. Holmes, “60-40 lab,” said the draft “does not mention other anomalies as that will make us look like loons.” Andersen derided the idea of an engineered virus as “crackpot” and promoted the phrase “consistent with natural evolution” to scientists outside of the confab.
March 6, 2020: Andersen thanked Farrar, Collins and Fauci for their “advice and leadership.”
April 17, 2020: Fauci told reporters COVID-19 is “totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human,” citing the paper.
August 19, 2020: Collins and Fauci discussed the termination of an EcoHealth Alliance grant and the lab leak theory. Eight days later, a new grant is extended from NIAID to EcoHealth and Andersen’s lab.
June 20, 2021: Collins, Fauci, Andersen and Garry encouraged a researcher to rethink a preprint about early SARS-CoV-2 sequences that NIH improperly spiked from its database. Andersen proposed deleting it from a preprint server.
July 31, 2022: New entries to an NIH database indicated a relationship between Holmes and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, including work on RaTG13.
https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/timeline-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/
The gain of function research on this virus says it’s very easy to render the virus incapable of being infectious and so far we have NOT FOUND A CLEAR ANIMAL PATH because this is a NEW virus and we have not tested nearly enough animals. Gain of function research is done to mainly used to study animal human pathways.
The PUBLIC consensus is that ghosts exist as well so go for it.
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i will return
What is the consensus from scientists/researchers/doctors?
Ef-man
03-22-2023, 04:13 PM
:lol
“The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” is one of the most influential scientific articles in history.
In February 2020 — about a month before a pandemic had been declared — five top virologists huddled to examine aspects of a rapidly emerging coronavirus that seemed primed to infect human cells. In particular, a unique feature called the furin cleavage site caused concern, and even kept one virologist up all night. A few days later, the virologists concluded the virus had not been engineered. In March, their conclusions were published in Nature Medicine.
“We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible,” the article read.
The article assured much of the media, Washington and the broader infectious disease community that there was no need to scrutinize the labs at the pandemic’s epicenter in Wuhan, China. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is well known for research on SARS-like coronaviruses, including gain-of-function research. Though a “correspondence” and not a formal paper, the article has been cited in the press 2, 127 times.
It took 15 months and Freedom of Information Act lawsuits to reveal that each of the five authors had expressed private concerns about engineering or the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s store of novel coronaviruses and work in relatively low biosafety levels.
Also troubling: A confidential teleconference had framed early drafts of the article. But several scientists on the call had undisclosed conflicts of interest.
Wellcome Trust Director Jeremy Farrar organized the teleconference at the request of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci.
NIAID had funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology — a fact Fauci had been alerted to by late January. Minutes after being alerted by one of the virologists to gain-of-function research underway in Wuhan, Fauci dispatched an aide to determine whether his institute had funded this work. Fauci was conferring with the National Security Council and the White House almost daily at that time, his schedule shows.
Also present on the call for “advice and leadership ” but not publicly credited: director of the National Institutes of Health Francis Collins.
Two authors were later found to have collaborated with the Wuhan lab or its American partner, EcoHealth Alliance.
Christian Drosten, a prominent virologist who participated in the teleconference, was once listed as a participant in a “virus hunting” project co-led by EcoHealth Alliance.
Ron Fouchier, another virologist who shaped the article’s central ideas without credit, is synonymous with controversial viral engineering.
The authors of the “proximal origin” article are Scripps Research virologist Kristian Andersen, University of Sydney virologist Edward Holmes, Tulane School of Medicine virologist Robert Garry, University of Edinburgh virologist Andrew Rambaut and Columbia University virologist Ian Lipkin.
Another virologist was notably absent.
To Farrar, Holmes and Andersen, the work of another American virologist appeared to be “a how-to manual for building the Wuhan coronavirus in a laboratory.”
North Carolina University virologist Ralph Baric, a close collaborator of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, is a leading expert on coronaviruses and engineering techniques. His research had been at the center of the gain-of-function debate in the U.S. a few years earlier, sparking concerns it could generate “SARS 2.0.”
Several of his papers were discussed on the call, according to presentation slides obtained under FOIA.
But because of his ties to the Wuhan lab, he was left out of the discussion, according to Holmes.
“We decided not to invite Ralph Baric just because he was too close to the WIV. … He’s a great virologist. He’s guilty of nothing, I’ll tell you that right now. But we wanted to make it a proper investigation,” Holmes said in a December 2022 interview.
This timeline compiles numerous sources in an effort to covey the backstory of the enormously influential article. The timeline is likely to grow as more information emerges. All times have been approximated to Eastern Time.
Farrar said that “proximal origin” was motivated by the absence of an investigation by the WHO. However, emails show that Farrar simultaneously shepherded along the article and appealed to the WHO.
In reality, Farrar expressed a desire to leaders at the WHO to “get ahead of the science and the narrative of this.” Fauci agreed.
Four days after flagging aspects of the genome that appeared engineered, Andersen coauthored an early draft which stated that such a scenario would be “largely incompatible with the data.” After days of discussing the possibility of the furin cleavage site arising from serial passage in the lab — a method of making a virus more dangerous in the lab without engineering — the possibility was dismissed in the final report.
Farrar described the frenzy and panic preceding the publication of “proximal origin.”
“Just a few of us – Eddie, Kristian, Tony and I – were now privy to sensitive information that, if proved to be true, might set off a whole series of events that would be far bigger than any of us. It felt as if a storm was gathering,” he said.
The aim, Farrar told his colleagues at the time, was to “lay down a respected statement to frame whatever debate goes on – before that debate gets out of hand with potentially hugely damaging ramifications.”
The scientists’ familiarity with the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on novel coronaviruses calls into question a central premise of the paper — that SARS-CoV-2 could not have been engineered because it appeared to be novel.
Summary
January 27, 2020: Fauci learned he funds the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
January 29, 2020: Andersen discovered a paper describing gain-of-function techniques with coronaviruses involving the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Farrar asks to speak with Fauci.
January 31, 2020: Fauci and Andersen spoke privately. Four virologists, including three authors of the article — Andersen, Holmes and Garry — found the virus to be “inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory.”
February 1, 2020: Farrar organized a secret teleconference between the virologists and NIH. Separately, Fauci sought to learn more about which projects NIAID funded at the lab.
February 2, 2020: The virologists exchanged thoughts. Several leaned toward a lab origin. Garry said he cannot understand how SARS-CoV-2 could have emerged naturally after comparing it to RaTG13. The scientists express concerns about work with coronaviruses being done in Wuhan in BSL-2 conditions.”Wild west,” said Farrar. Farrar emphasized the importance of publishing something quickly to counteract “lurid” claims emerging about a lab origin.
February 4, 2020: A draft was circulated. Holmes, “60-40 lab,” said the draft “does not mention other anomalies as that will make us look like loons.” Andersen derided the idea of an engineered virus as “crackpot” and promoted the phrase “consistent with natural evolution” to scientists outside of the confab.
March 6, 2020: Andersen thanked Farrar, Collins and Fauci for their “advice and leadership.”
April 17, 2020: Fauci told reporters COVID-19 is “totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human,” citing the paper.
August 19, 2020: Collins and Fauci discussed the termination of an EcoHealth Alliance grant and the lab leak theory. Eight days later, a new grant is extended from NIAID to EcoHealth and Andersen’s lab.
June 20, 2021: Collins, Fauci, Andersen and Garry encouraged a researcher to rethink a preprint about early SARS-CoV-2 sequences that NIH improperly spiked from its database. Andersen proposed deleting it from a preprint server.
July 31, 2022: New entries to an NIH database indicated a relationship between Holmes and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, including work on RaTG13.
https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/timeline-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2/
TL;DR
But certainly another Qtsa conspiracy. :lol
TL;DR
But certainly another Qtsa conspiracy. :lol
Of course you didn’t read it. You didn’t read the shit study you posted either. Par for the course.
Ef-man
03-22-2023, 04:49 PM
Of course you didn’t read it. You didn’t read the shit study you posted either. Par for the course.
Tells, in your own words, what is the definitive evidence in this new conspiracy?
Or will you go back and hide in Korea, where there is no internet?
Tells, in your own words, what is the definitive evidence in this new conspiracy?
Or will you go back and hide in Korea, where there is no internet?
I’ve never once claimed the lab leak theory has been proven.
You on the other hand said Covid was not engineered and then provided that shit study that immediately shredded and mocked by scientists around the world :lmao
Why do you keep coming back for me to shit on you even more? You’ve made an absolute fool of yourself for a week straight.
ChumpDumper
03-22-2023, 05:21 PM
What is the consensus from scientists/researchers/doctors?
What are the numbers for and against lab leak and neutral?
You just can't post tweets and say that's the consensus. I'm sure I can find as many quotes for one side as you can find for the other.
Ef-man
03-22-2023, 05:24 PM
I’ve never once claimed the lab leak theory has been proven.
You on the other hand said Covid was not engineered and then provided that shit study that immediately shredded and mocked by scientists around the world :lmao
Why do you keep coming back for me to shit on you even more? You’ve made an absolute fool of yourself for a week straight.
Right, you only post conspiracy theories after conspiracy theories that you don't believe or defend! :lmao
You bend the knee so easily but then deny you bent it. And citing fringe sources is your MO. That is why no one ever takes you seriously!
Keep lashing out and go sulk some more, idiot!
Right, you only post conspiracy theories after conspiracy theories that you don't believe or defend! :lmao
You bend the knee so easily but then deny you bent it. And citing fringe sources is your MO. That is why no one ever takes you seriously!
Keep lashing out and go sulk some more, idiot!Back for more?
The sources of your shit study were booted out of the database for unethical behavior.
You claimed that shit study said Covid was not engineered and it said nothing of the sort.
The shit study researchers admitted they couldn’t even prove a raccoon dog was infected with Covid.
I’ve shit on you so much you’ve become my personal toilet.
Winehole23
03-22-2023, 11:52 PM
The volume of shit issued from your general direction is prodigious for sure.
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 12:34 AM
The volume of shit issued from your general direction is prodigious for sure.
Remember when Qtsa was posting tweets like mad defending Manafort, had his shit pushed in, lashed out like a little bitch claiming he was right, and stopped posting on ST because there was no internet in S. Korea?
From wiki: "The Republican-controlled Senate Intelligence Committee concluded in August 2020 that Manafort's ties to individuals connected to Russian intelligence while he was Trump's campaign manager "represented a grave counterintelligence threat" by creating opportunities for "Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump campaign.""
Poor fella.
Good times.
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif
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:rollin
Glenn Greenwald now quoting Undercover Huber while Pavlov still gets no recognition for all his years of shitposting.
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poor fella
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Winehole23
03-23-2023, 07:21 AM
So much for the permanent Orwellian biosecurity state.
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Remember when Qtsa was posting tweets like mad defending Manafort, had his shit pushed in, lashed out like a little bitch claiming he was right, and stopped posting on ST because there was no internet in S. Korea?
From wiki: "The Republican-controlled Senate Intelligence Committee concluded in August 2020 that Manafort's ties to individuals connected to Russian intelligence while he was Trump's campaign manager "represented a grave counterintelligence threat" by creating opportunities for "Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump campaign.""
Poor fella.
Good times.
Bringing up 6 year old news about Paul Manafort in the Covid thread...definitely not melting down.
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif
The volume of shit issued from your general direction is prodigious for sure.
You were the first to post the shit study from the unethical researchers. I didn't shit on you like I did Ef-man because you didn't claim it said Covid was not engineered, but do you have no comment on the shit study you posted?
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 11:18 AM
Bringing up 6 year old news about Paul Manafort in the Covid thread...definitely not melting down.
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif
What, me melting down over "6 year old news", really? You posted the crap in 2019, check the post date, idiot! :lol
No sir, I am mocking you, an idiot, for having a shit takes; I am enjoying you, an idiot, lash out denying it. :lol
So fuck off and go sulk some more.
What, me melting down over "6 year old news", really? You posted the crap in 2019, check the post date, idiot! :lol
No sir, I am mocking you, an idiot, for having a shit takes; I am enjoying you, an idiot, lash out denying it. :lol
So fuck off and go sulk some more.
Sorry...bringing up 4 year old posts about Paul Manafort in the Covid thread...definitely not melting down.
Do you even realize how much you are projecting right now during this epic meltdown? You had a shit take and posted a shit study and I called you out and mocked you mercilessly. Instead of just admitting it was a shit study and shit take you chose to melt down in multiple threads. It is what it is...continue melting down.
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 12:04 PM
Stop mocking my shit takes, please, stop, I am sorry.
fify
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif
Editing my quotes...we've reached a new stage of melting down :lmao
I don't believe this because the sources have epicanthic folds.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes)
nothing to say about your own post?
which parts did you find interesting?
ChumpDumper
03-23-2023, 12:49 PM
:lol his comment is right there, redass.
So what does the gain of function/loss research say RIGHT NOW?
What is the consensus and why do you think the consensus IS NOT LAB ORIGIN? (or maybe you don’t because “not ruled out bullshit”)
Again, have you looked at the timing of the outbreak IN CHINA and the research?
Lastly we have not looked in nearly enough animals and then finding the path will be difficult.
This is much more probable than a lab produced virus for the reasons I have already listed that you continue to be unable to fathom.
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1638286683056529408
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 01:21 PM
Stop mocking my shit takes, please, stop, I am sorry.
poor fella
https://media.giphy.com/media/11aitZSSRhHYuQ/giphy.gif
The meltdown continues :rollin
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 03:41 PM
Sure, bags are packed for S. Korea.
Your deflections are truly amazing.
Am leaving any moment now, any moment. :lol
Sure, bags are packed for S. Korea.
Your deflections are truly amazing.
Am leaving any moment now, any moment. :lol
My deflections?!?! You seriously can't stop projecting.
The meltdown continues :rollin
Looks like pgardn was right, covid was not engineered.
An international team of virus experts said Thursday that they had found genetic data from a market in Wuhan, China, linking the coronavirus with raccoon dogs for sale there, adding evidence to the case that the worst pandemic in a century could have been ignited by an infected animal that was being dealt through the illegal wildlife trade.
In recent weeks, the so-called lab leak theory, which posits that the coronavirus emerged from a research lab in Wuhan, has gained traction thanks to a new intelligence assessment from the U.S. Department of Energy and hearings led by the new Republican House leadership.
But the genetic data from the market offers some of the most tangible evidence yet of how the virus could have spilled into people from wild animals outside a lab. It also suggests that Chinese scientists have given an incomplete account of evidence that could fill in details about how the virus was spreading at the Huanan market.
New York Times paywall:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/science/covid-wuhan-market-raccoon-dogs-lab-leak
The hits just keep coming :lol
https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1638768474389458944
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 04:30 PM
The hits just keep coming :lol
Wow, did they pick up their shit and is there definitive proof that they go to S. Korea in shame? :lol
Wow, did they pick up their shit and is there definitive proof that they go to S. Korea in shame? :lol
Why won't you discuss or defend the shit study you were pushing?
Poltics guiding science can lead to some very bad outcomes for people.
https://twitter.com/BiophysicsFL/status/1638621297465761800
pgardn
03-23-2023, 06:51 PM
So many of these claims about every single move Fauci makes.
The red team just runs with it. Hundreds of things that just tie people down. Just like the illegal voting bullshit that gets so out of hand that a Republican with 6% of the vote in a Republican primary cost their constituents hundreds of thousands of dollars claiming fraud from other Republicans. This is the zRoger Stone playbook. Keep hammering away, they will forget the false claims when you invent the next lie.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-corsi/conspiracy-theorist-spreads-false-claim-about-fauc/
The article above is one of a list a mile long.
Why would Fauci want studies concerning a lab produced virus NOT interest Fauci? Because he is a commie afraid to expose the Chinese? Because it makes him look bad? Or… the most salient and logical: It’s the most unlikely way to find the origins of the virus. There are hundreds and hundreds of studies on Covid. You look for the most productive and most probable. You don’t keep banging your head against a brick wall. The Chinese are loving this confusion and distraction from then constant bullshit put out about Fauci and take this into consideration. So many lunatics who have no idea wtf they are doing have posted hundreds of articles like the news above addresses. It’s just like the Dominion voting machine shit. And it’s amazing how many of the same partisan political people bring this shit up. It’s never ending.
We need information from the Chinese about a lot of sit concerning the spread of the virus. The virus leaking from a lab is the least important. We need to know about the EARLY spread and deaths of thousands of Chinese BEFORE the virus of red team interest even existed most likely because when these viruses mutate and spread they make new viruses via evolution.
So we are gonna end this whole thing end by saying the most likely spread was via the most common force that creates new species, evolution. But that we can’t rule out aliens producing the virus. Five years down the line we figure out the animal lineage and this board is already gone to shit and does not exist. I will blame ghosts as the most likely cause of the board extinction event.
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 06:52 PM
Why won't you discuss or defend the shit study you were pushing?
I already did and showed you do not understand what zoonotic viruses are.
You are just butthurt for being mocked.
Lash out and sulk some more. :lol
I already did and showed you do not understand what zoonotic viruses are.
You are just butthurt for being mocked.
Lash out and sulk some more. :lol
You haven't said a single word about that study being shredded and the unethical authors getting booted from the data site. You're a fucking joke...I've done enough damage to you here and I think I'm done with you. Good job showing the board how fucking stupid you are :tu
So many of these claims about every single move Fauci makes.
The red team just runs with it. Hundreds of things that just tie people down. Just like the illegal voting bullshit that gets so out of hand that a Republican with 6% of the vote in a Republican primary cost their constituents hundreds of thousands of dollars claiming fraud from other Republicans. This is the zRoger Stone playbook. Keep hammering away, they will forget the false claims when you invent the next lie.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-corsi/conspiracy-theorist-spreads-false-claim-about-fauc/
The article above is one of a list a mile long.
Why would Fauci want studies concerning a lab produced virus NOT interest Fauci? Because he is a commie afraid to expose the Chinese? Because it makes him look bad? Or… the most salient and logical: It’s the most unlikely way to find the origins of the virus. There are hundreds and hundreds of studies on Covid. You look for the most productive and most probable. You don’t keep banging your head against a brick wall. The Chinese are loving this confusion and distraction from then constant bullshit put out about Fauci and take this into consideration. So many lunatics who have no idea wtf they are doing have posted hundreds of articles like the news above addresses. It’s just like the Dominion voting machine shit. And it’s amazing how many of the same partisan political people bring this shit up. It’s never ending.
We need information from the Chinese about a lot of sit concerning the spread of the virus. The virus leaking from a lab is the least important. We need to know about the EARLY spread and deaths of thousands of Chinese BEFORE the virus of red team interest even existed most likely because when these viruses mutate and spread they make new viruses via evolution.
So we are gonna end this whole thing end by saying the most likely spread was via the most common force that creates new species, evolution. But that we can’t rule out aliens producing the virus. Five years down the line we figure out the animal lineage and this board is already gone to shit and does not exist. I will blame ghosts as the most likely cause of the board extinction event.No clue why you posted the politifact link as it had nothing to do with the authors mentioned in my post. At least I got a chuckle out of your link.
"The coronavirus’ genetic makeup precludes the possibility that it was man-made."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-corsi/conspiracy-theorist-spreads-false-claim-about-fauc/
Do you believe Politifacts claim?
Ef-man
03-23-2023, 07:38 PM
You haven't said a single word about that study being shredded and the unethical authors getting booted from the data site. You're a fucking joke...I've done enough damage to you here and I think I'm done with you. Good job showing the board how fucking stupid you are :tu
Sure, with your understanding of what zoonotic viruses and definitive proof wall of tweets only thing damaged is your ego.
Be strong and keep lashing, as I am sure the self-stroking will make you feel better. :lol
pgardn
03-23-2023, 09:07 PM
No clue why you posted the politifact link as it had nothing to do with the authors mentioned in my post. At least I got a chuckle out of your link.
"The coronavirus’ genetic makeup precludes the possibility that it was man-made."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-corsi/conspiracy-theorist-spreads-false-claim-about-fauc/
Do you believe Politifacts claim?
Absolutely agree. Read CORONAVIRUS
But it does not mean that we cannot change (what we think to be the first few minor variants) structure because we have in trying to determine the animal lineage. We have manipulated the virus. But this does automatically mean we created a highly infectious strain. In fact, in almost all of these studies, the virus is rendered much less virulent because we have changed the virus specifically to determine genetic history and possible animal transfer steps. NOT TO MAKE IT MORE VIRULENT. We don’t even know if we could, nature is a much bigger lab. In fact many scientists basically thought “it’s about time” , and thought more about the capabilities or incapacity of other virus to spread that could have been much worse. We don’t even know why some “died out”. It’s very difficult.
The most magnificent occurrence in this whole ordeal was
when we had already looked at the rna and started looking at the proteins. This whole mess became a very hopeful endeavor as we discovered the spike protein had a structure that looked like vaccines could be produced quite readily. And we were correct. We got to see one of the quickest, highly functional vaccine put together of all time. And done using different techniques. Very good work by by world science with the US leading the way.
pgardn
03-23-2023, 09:19 PM
No clue why you posted the politifact link as it had nothing to do with the authors mentioned in my post. At least I got a chuckle out of your link.
"The coronavirus’ genetic makeup precludes the possibility that it was man-made."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/12/jerome-corsi/conspiracy-theorist-spreads-false-claim-about-fauc/
Do you believe Politifacts claim?
You have no clue?
How much of this ridiculous stuff will you continue posting.
Look at the stupid shit your team has already posted and continues to do.
Next up, Fauci’s maid has Chinese ancestors and had a science class in virology.
You will get your info… the House will look at it. Meanwhile your team can continue talking about money waisted on stupid inquiries.
Absolutely agree. Read CORONAVIRUS
But it does not mean that we cannot change (what we think to be the first few minor variants) structure because we have in trying to determine the animal lineage. We have manipulated the virus. But this does automatically mean we created a highly infectious strain.
If the virus was manipulated beforehand and leaked out of a lab that would make the virus man-made. You admit the virus can be manipulated by man. You admit neither theory has been proven. Politifact’s claim in untrue. You absolutely agreeing with them makes you a hypocrite.
You have no clue?
How much of this ridiculous stuff will you continue posting.
Look at the stupid shit your team has already posted and continues to do.
Next up, Fauci’s maid has Chinese ancestors and had a science class in virology.
You will get your info… the House will look at it. Meanwhile your team can continue talking about money waisted on stupid inquiries.
What ridiculous stuff have I posted? Be specific.
One of the most ridiculous claims to date was just posted this week and you didn’t say shit about the raccoon dog study rushed to the media by the unethical researchers who were booted from the database. Why no comment from you on that?
pgardn
03-24-2023, 12:36 PM
If the virus was manipulated beforehand and leaked out of a lab that would make the virus man-made. You admit the virus can be manipulated by man. You admit neither theory has been proven. Politifact’s claim in untrue. You absolutely agreeing with them makes you a hypocrite.
It was not manipulated BEFOREHAND. This is a study the novel coronavirus that was novel because of its amino acid sequence was different. The disease was already out and flourishing in nature before any lab had even identified its basic biomolecules. We had not even found the actual virus at that time, we just new China had outbreaks and that it had all the hallmarks of being a respiratory virus. The Chinese already worked with finding different species of viruses just like we do. The lady in the lab (who we will probably never hear from again) merely identified it against other coronavirus types that did not cause any diseases in people and found in animals. Then she found it was much like the virus ALREADY killing people. She was a sequencer, not a manipulator. Her expertise came from the fact she had sequenced and identified so many of these viruses. She was more of a librarian. She had to grow all of these different viruses she had identified in culture to have enough biochemical material to merely ID them. THIS IS NOT the same as genetically manipulating them.
The virus was novel because it had a protein with a unique amino acid pattern. But upon close inspection and comparison to a library of viral protein research we were able to put it in the cornavirus family, but different. Well it also turns out it is not that different. It had a close pattern to a coronavirus found in 2007. But it was still called novel by that point. Because it was different. Do you want some reading on molecular evolution so you get how we classify viruses and living things by sequencing both their DNA and Proteins and follow their possible evolutionary geneology? And you are also playing a chronological game that is wrong.
Do you want to look up how many new coronaviruses that we have now found that are similar to the so called novel virus. This is why we had to start producing new vaccines. Or not because we found the some of the latest variants are rare and not widespread disease causers. So all these variants that exist are lab made....? Its much more likely they were made in the manner the vast majority of all new species (we are good and genetically engineering crops) are produced, EVOLUTION on earth. But we cant rule out they came in on a meteor. Dont want to mention probabilities with this yet. We still need the Chinese to keep playing with us.
pgardn
03-24-2023, 12:44 PM
later...
back to work.
Ef-man
03-24-2023, 02:01 PM
later...
back to work.
Can't scoop the Chinese; otherwise, it is unethical! :lol
The group of scientists who had their access to an international archive for sharing coronavirus data suspended Tuesday — after complaints from Chinese scientists — had that access reinstated Wednesday, after providing evidence that they had not, in fact, breached the database’s terms of use.
On Tuesday, the Global Initiative on Sharing Avian Influenza Data (GISAID) had emailed members of an international group of scientists informing them of their suspension, a day after those scientists had posted online a report titled: “Genetic evidence of susceptible wildlife in SARS-CoV-2 positive samples at the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, Wuhan Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control.”
That followed an earlier notice from GISAID, notifying the researchers of complaints from scientists from the Chinese Center for Disease Control who said that, though the data underlying the paper had been gathered by the Chinese, the international scientists had not offered to collaborate with the Chinese researchers, merely told them that they were going to publish their own research.
GISAID warned the international scientists against publishing their research before the Chinese — and thereby ‘scooping’ the Chinese. That, said GISAID would be a breach of their terms, since the underlying data to both research papers had been gathered by the Chinese researchers.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2023/03/22/researchers-analyzing-chinese-data-on-the-origins-of-covid-get-access-to-global-database-reinstated-after-scooping-accusation
Winehole23
03-24-2023, 02:07 PM
"Masks don't work"
Background:
Respiratory protective equipment recommended in the UK for healthcare workers (HCWs) caring for patients with COVID-19 comprises a fluid-resistant surgical mask (FRSM), except in the context of aerosol generating procedures (AGPs). We previously demonstrated frequent pauci- and asymptomatic severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection HCWs during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK, using a comprehensive PCR-based HCW screening programme (Rivett et al., 2020; Jones et al., 2020).
Methods:
Here, we use observational data and mathematical modelling to analyse infection rates amongst HCWs working on ‘red’ (coronavirus disease 2019, COVID-19) and ‘green’ (non-COVID-19) wards during the second wave of the pandemic, before and after the substitution of filtering face piece 3 (FFP3) respirators for FRSMs.
Results:
Whilst using FRSMs, HCWs working on red wards faced an approximately 31-fold (and at least fivefold) increased risk of direct, ward-based infection. Conversely, after changing to FFP3 respirators, this risk was significantly reduced (52–100% protection).
Conclusions:
FFP3 respirators may therefore provide more effective protection than FRSMs for HCWs caring for patients with COVID-19, whether or not AGPs are undertaken.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8635983/
Blake
03-25-2023, 05:11 PM
You haven't said a single word about that study being shredded and the unethical authors getting booted from the data site. You're a fucking joke...I've done enough damage to you here and I think I'm done with you. Good job showing the board how fucking stupid you are :tu
You should poll the board to think who is stupid here
Blake
03-25-2023, 05:16 PM
What ridiculous stuff have I posted? Be specific.
:lmao
ChumpDumper
03-25-2023, 05:17 PM
What ridiculous stuff have I posted? Be specific.
Shall we start a thread?
Ef-man
03-25-2023, 05:29 PM
Shall we start a thread?
A thread on who stopped posting and was not hiding as they traveled to S. Korea, worked 24/7, and discovered that there is no internet connectivity after Pavlov pushed his shit in on Manafort?
DarrinS
03-25-2023, 05:51 PM
The nine facts about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 that everyone needs to know are as follows:
1) SARS-CoV-2 is related to bat SARS-like coronaviruses from southern China and northern Laos.
2) SARS-CoV-2 entered humans in or near Wuhan in August-November 2019.
3) SARS-CoV-2 entered humans either through a natural accident (just as in the first entry of the original SARS coronavirus into humans, which occurred through natural spillover in rural Guangdong province in 2002) or through a research accident (just as in the second third, fourth, and fifth entries of the original SARS coronavirus into humans, which occurred through a lab accident in Singapore in 2003, a lab accident in Taipei in 2003, and two separate lab accidents in Beijing in 2004)
4) Wuhan is located 1,000 km from the nearest wild bats with SARS-CoV-2-like coronaviruses.
5) Wuhan has labs that, at the start of the pandemic, conducted the world’s largest research program on bat SARS-like coronaviruses, possessed the world’s largest collection of bat SARS-like coronaviruses, and possessed the world’s only sample of a SARS-CoV-2-like coronavirus.
6) In 2016-2018, the Wuhan Institute of Virology constructed a series of novel chimeric SARS-like coronaviruses that combined the spike gene of one bat SARS-like coronavirus with the rest of the genetic information of another bat SARS-like coronavirus and identified viruses that were able to infect and replicate efficiently in human airway cells and that had 10,000x enhanced viral growth and 4x enhanced lethality in mice engineered to display human receptors on cells. In other words, in the years before the start of the pandemic, the Wuhan Institute of Virology had taken most of the steps needed to convert a natural bat SARS-like coronavirus to a novel human pandemic pathogen having the properties of SARS-CoV-2.
7) In 2018, the Wuhan Institute of Virology and its collaborators proposed to construct an expanded series of novel chimeric SARS-like coronaviruses, this time using newly identified spike genes having affinities for human receptors that ranged from very low to very high; and proposed to insert furin cleavage sites — a feature that is present in SARS-CoV-2 but not in any of the hundreds of other known SARS-like coronaviruses and that is crucial for the high transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 — into SARS-like coronaviruses.
8) In 2016-2019, the Wuhan Institute of Virology constructed and characterized SARS-like coronaviruses at biosafety level 2, a level inadequate for work with enhanced potential pandemic pathogens and inadequate to contain a virus having the transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2.
9) From the start of the pandemic, the Wuhan Institute of Virology and its collaborators have withheld information, misrepresented facts, and obstructed investigation…even though, if not connected to origin, they most easily could have cleared their names through cooperation.
10) A preponderance of evidence, including both the scientific evidence (facts 1-3) and the documentary evidence (facts 4-9), indicates that SARS-CoV-2 likely entered humans through a laboratory accident.
Blake
03-25-2023, 07:12 PM
Oh cool a text mask
ChumpDumper
03-25-2023, 10:00 PM
(we don't actually know anything but we're super angry about the sniffles)
Can't scoop the Chinese; otherwise, it is unethical! :lol
The group of scientists who had their access to an international archive for sharing coronavirus data suspended Tuesday — after complaints from Chinese scientists — had that access reinstated Wednesday, after providing evidence that they had not, in fact, breached the database’s terms of use.
On Tuesday, the Global Initiative on Sharing Avian Influenza Data (GISAID) had emailed members of an international group of scientists informing them of their suspension, a day after those scientists had posted online a report titled: “Genetic evidence of susceptible wildlife in SARS-CoV-2 positive samples at the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market, Wuhan Analysis and interpretation of data released by the Chinese Center for Disease Control.”
That followed an earlier notice from GISAID, notifying the researchers of complaints from scientists from the Chinese Center for Disease Control who said that, though the data underlying the paper had been gathered by the Chinese, the international scientists had not offered to collaborate with the Chinese researchers, merely told them that they were going to publish their own research.
GISAID warned the international scientists against publishing their research before the Chinese — and thereby ‘scooping’ the Chinese. That, said GISAID would be a breach of their terms, since the underlying data to both research papers had been gathered by the Chinese researchers.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2023/03/22/researchers-analyzing-chinese-data-on-the-origins-of-covid-get-access-to-global-database-reinstated-after-scooping-accusation
Does nothing to change the fact that it was a shit study and it was so bad they didn't even put it up as a pre-print :rollin
It was not manipulated BEFOREHAND.Holy shit you solved it before anyone else in the world solved it. Congrats idiot.
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 11:44 AM
Does nothing to change the fact that it was a shit study and it was so bad they didn't even put it up as a pre-print :rollin
You were wrong, have bent the knee after getting your shit pushed in, and are lashing out, again! :lmao :lmao :lmao
What is not surprising is how you were pushing the ‘scooping’ chinese government propaganda.
What an idiot.
;lol
You were wrong, have bent the knee after getting your shit pushed in, and are lashing out, again! :lmao :lmao :lmao
What is not surprising is how you were pushing the ‘scooping’ chinese government propaganda.
What an idiot.
;lol
wrong about what exactly? They were kicked out of the database and are now let back in for the time being while it's being investigated by GISAID.
None of that changes the fact that it was a shit study that you claimed proved Covid was not engineered. No amount of emojis is going to change your idiotic claim.
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 12:46 PM
Maybe Qtsa prefers pictures. :lol
Mapping COVID-19’s Early Spread In Wuhan, China
The distribution of COVID-19 cases in Wuhan in December 2019 shows an increase around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (west of the Yangtze River, indicated with a white triangle in the maps) but not near the Wuhan Institute of Virology (more than 10 miles from the market, indicated with a black square in the maps).
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-b.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-c.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-d.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-e.png
Maybe Qtsa prefers pictures. :lol
Mapping COVID-19’s Early Spread In Wuhan, China
The distribution of COVID-19 cases in Wuhan in December 2019 shows an increase around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (west of the Yangtze River, indicated with a white triangle in the maps) but not near the Wuhan Institute of Virology (more than 10 miles from the market, indicated with a black square in the maps).
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-b.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-c.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-d.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-e.png
Are these the maps of infected racoon dogs that were confirmed to be the starters of Covid? Amazing find. :tu
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 04:15 PM
Are these the maps of infected racoon dogs that were confirmed to be the starters of Covid? Amazing find. :tu
Deflect all you want but you can’t make the initial covid spread map fit your engineered narrative.
Thanks for bending the knee, again.
Deflect all you want but you can’t make the initial covid spread map fit your engineered narrative.
Thanks for bending the knee, again.You posted the maps and I asked a question. Your refusal to answer is the only deflection happening here.
Are these the maps of infected racoon dogs that were confirmed to be the starters of Covid? Yes or no.
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 04:20 PM
You posted the maps and I asked a question. Your refusal to answer is the only deflection happening here.
Are these the maps of infected racoon dogs that were confirmed to be the starters of Covid? Yes or no.
Sure, you asked a serious question. :lol
Can you not read or do you need spoon feeding?
Mapping COVID-19’s Early Spread In Wuhan, China
The distribution of COVID-19 cases in Wuhan in December 2019 shows an increase around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (west of the Yangtze River, indicated with a white triangle in the maps) but not near the Wuhan Institute of Virology (more than 10 miles from the market, indicated with a black square in the maps).
Sure, you asked a serious question. :lol
Can you not read or do you need spoon feeding?
Mapping COVID-19’s Early Spread In Wuhan, China
The distribution of COVID-19 cases in Wuhan in December 2019 shows an increase around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (west of the Yangtze River, indicated with a white triangle in the maps) but not near the Wuhan Institute of Virology (more than 10 miles from the market, indicated with a black square in the maps).
Was your previous claim of the raccoon dog study proving Covid to not be engineered not a serious claim?
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 04:49 PM
Was your previous claim of the raccoon dog study proving Covid to not be engineered not a serious claim?
It is a serious claim. Your side has not been able to disprove it nor prove their case.
The study points to the market as being the source, you know, where the raccoon dogs with covid were and the map shows where the initial cases were located.
Not near the lab but you are too stupid to understand and will continue asking me to explain.
So sorry Charlie, no prize for you, go sulk some more. :tu
DarrinS
03-27-2023, 05:11 PM
Weird how his map is inconsistent with this one.
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F f7c8b913-6626-48f0-8703-b6ee154057d3_1448x1114.png
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 05:20 PM
Are these the maps of infected racoon dogs that were confirmed to be the starters of Covid? Amazing find. :tu
Try again and for Dec 2019. :tu
It is a serious claim. Your side has not been able to disprove it nor prove their case.
The study points to the market as being the source, you know, where the raccoon dogs with covid were and the map shows where the initial cases were located.
Not near the lab but you are too stupid to understand and will continue asking me to explain.
So sorry Charlie, no prize for you, go sulk some more. :tu
That shit study you posted never claimed they found raccoon dogs infected with Covid you fucking idiot :lmao
You really didn’t get to read the article because you were paywalled and only got the headline and first paragraph :lmao
Absolute fucknut :lmao
Was your previous claim of the raccoon dog study proving Covid to not be engineered not a serious claim?
It is a serious claim.
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 05:28 PM
Weird how his map is inconsistent with this one.
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F f7c8b913-6626-48f0-8703-b6ee154057d3_1448x1114.png
Here this may help you:
“Toward the end of December 2019, doctors at several Wuhan hospitals noticed mysterious cases of pneumonia arising in people who worked at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, a dank and poorly ventilated space where seafood, poultry, meat and wild animals were sold. On Dec. 30, public health officials told hospitals to report any new cases linked to the market.“
https://u.osu.edu/first-covid-case-was-a-vendor-at-wuhan-market/ (https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2021/11/20/first-covid-case-was-a-vendor-at-wuhan-market/)
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 05:31 PM
That shit study you posted never claimed they found raccoon dogs infected with Covid you fucking idiot :lmao
You really didn’t get to read the article because you were paywalled and only got the headline and first paragraph :lmao
Absolute fucknut :lmao
Keep embarrassing your self.
Did Q give you special insights before you went to S. Korea?
ElNono
03-27-2023, 05:33 PM
Weird how his map is inconsistent with this one.
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F f7c8b913-6626-48f0-8703-b6ee154057d3_1448x1114.png
Which substack did that come from?
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 05:35 PM
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
Retard, the article is about it being zoonotic virus.
But you are an idiot.
Keep embarrassing your self.
Did Q give you special insights before you went to S. Korea?
Keep embarrassing myself…says the dipshit that claims raccoons dogs were infected with Covid (they were not and the study he linked and never read never claimed they were) and that somehow proves Covid was zoonotic. :lmao
Retard, the article is about it being zoonotic virus.
But you are an idiot.
Show me in the study where they say they found raccoon dogs infected with Covid. If you need my login and password to get by the paywall let me know :lmao
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 05:39 PM
You want me to spoon feed you on what zoonotic virus means and that the researchers called it zoonotic?
From the researchers, had you bothered to read:
"Well, first, I’d like to just say that even before these data came out, the preponderance of scientific evidence (unlike shit posted by QTSA - for emphasis) has pointed to a natural zoonotic spillover [an animal disease jumping into humans] for quite some time. These new data are entirely consistent with that scenario. Now, what’s important here is that I think it’s a mischaracterization to say that these sequences show that raccoon dogs, or any other mammal host species, were infected with these viruses because all we’re showing is co-occurrence of genetic material from host environments. It’s not the same as swabbing a raccoon dog. And it’s not the same as watching a raccoon dog transmit a virus to a human—something, of course, we never see. We never get that level of evidence. But first and foremost, this is forensic evidence that these putative host animals were present at the market. There’s no more question about that. And they were there in the same place as the virus.
Now, clearly, some of these environmental samples have the virus in them because of infected humans. But it strains the imagination to say it was only humans who were depositing this virus all over places where susceptible hosts were and that this is just humans giving it to animals. Given everything else we know about the early days of COVID and everything we know about zoonotic viruses, this fits.
Is this going to put the lab-leak conspiracy to bed? No. Nothing will ever do that. But I think this should help convince more reasonable scientists (but never shitposters like QTSA who are still looking for hillary's emails and a basement at CometPizza). "
So fuck off, idiot.
DarrinS
03-27-2023, 05:40 PM
Which substack did that come from?
https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_covid-19_102722.pdf
Page 9
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 05:44 PM
https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_covid-19_102722.pdf
Page 9
Map is for people searched when looking for flu-like symptoms, from Dec. 20, 2019 to Jan. 18, 2020 :lol
Was your previous claim of the raccoon dog study proving Covid to not be engineered not a serious claim?
It is a serious claim.
Show me in the study where they say they found raccoon dogs infected with Covid.
Now, what’s important here is that I think it’s a mischaracterization to say that these sequences show that raccoon dogs, or any other mammal host species, were infected with these viruses because all we’re showing is co-occurrence of genetic material from host environments.
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
Ef-man
03-27-2023, 05:57 PM
From the KarinS report, we may have found Qtsa's source on it being engineered.
"A number of epidemiologists and virologists – and, at first, the Chinese government – have asserted
that the COVID-19 pandemic originated from a natural zoonotic transmission occurring at the Huanan
Seafood Market.
Government officials in China have subsequently also postulated the theory that SARSCoV-2 arrived in China on the surface of imported frozen seafood or was brought into China by infected
people or animals after being created by the U.S. military. Support for these alternative theories is limited to government-controlled publications in China and is not credible absent independent corroboration."
ElNono
03-27-2023, 05:58 PM
https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_covid-19_102722.pdf
Page 9
Weird since it's linked from a substack. Which substack did that come from?
Also:
Figure 5: Spatial distribution of Weibo social media platform users who used COVID-19 assistance channel, a web application people searched when looking for flu-like symptoms, from Dec. 20, 2019 to Jan. 18, 2020
DarrinS
03-27-2023, 06:07 PM
Weird since it's linked from a substack. Which substack did that come from?
Was trying to post the image, rather than the entire port. The specific substack seems oddly important to you.
Also:
Figure 5: Spatial distribution of Weibo social media platform users who used COVID-19 assistance channel, a web application people searched when looking for flu-like symptoms, from Dec. 20, 2019 to Jan. 18, 2020
And?
ElNono
03-27-2023, 06:49 PM
Was trying to post the image, rather than the entire port. The specific substack seems oddly important to you.
Nothing odd about asking where you sourced the image. What's odd is that you got all defensive about it, tbh...
And?
And that's not the same information that's claimed to be presented in the other pictures, which should answer your question of why they differ?
ChumpDumper
03-27-2023, 07:53 PM
Was trying to post the image, rather than the entire port. The specific substack seems oddly important to you.
And?
Was it this one?
https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/covid-much-more-easily-explained
It's an anonymous substack I found linked in an anonymous "Tyler Durden:lol" Zero Hedge article:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/senate-report-concludes-covid-came-research-related-incident
I don't blame you for being afraid to share.:tu
Blake
03-27-2023, 08:11 PM
Was it this one?
https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/covid-much-more-easily-explained
It's an anonymous substack I found linked in an anonymous "Tyler Durden:lol" Zero Hedge article:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/senate-report-concludes-covid-came-research-related-incident
I don't blame you for being afraid to share.:tu
Back to the bar he goes
ElNono
03-27-2023, 09:47 PM
Was it this one?
https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/covid-much-more-easily-explained
It's an anonymous substack I found linked in an anonymous "Tyler Durden:lol" Zero Hedge article:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/senate-report-concludes-covid-came-research-related-incident
I don't blame you for being afraid to share.:tu
The senate report from the "minority oversight staff" isn't much better either, tbh... though in their defense, China has been extremely unfriendly when it comes to investigating this thing.
pgardn
03-27-2023, 10:04 PM
The senate report from the "minority oversight staff" isn't much better either, tbh... though in their defense, China has been extremely unfriendly when it comes to investigating this thing.
Absolutely.
So like Saddam produced weapons of mass destruction ready to be used and he denied it all, China must have let a bioengineered virus out of the lab, accident or not… meant to kill millions in other countries or not… more than just one variant let loose or not…They deny and we are ready to believe shit imo. China is fking with us but we won’t blow them up.
TSA personally, will never be able to rule any of this lab stuff out. That the only for sure. This is as solid for TSA as pi or the speed of light. Meanwhile the number of variants we have currently catalogued without the help of the Chinese continues to grow. Amazing; the incredible appearance of new strains. And then take a look at all of the coronaviruses. Poof! They appear divinely or in a lab in China that cannot be ruled out. And some appear to have have been on Earth for a while but we “just” found them! Lots a lab work “not to be ruled out” going on I tell yas….
Absolutely.
So like Saddam produced weapons of mass destruction ready to be used and he denied it all, China must have let a bioengineered virus out of the lab, accident or not… meant to kill millions in other countries or not… more than just one variant let loose or not…They deny and we are ready to believe shit imo. China is fking with us but we won’t blow them up.
TSA personally, will never be able to rule any of this lab stuff out. That the only for sure. This is as solid for TSA as pi or the speed of light. Meanwhile the number of variants we have currently catalogued without the help of the Chinese continues to grow. Amazing; the incredible appearance of new strains. And then take a look at all of the coronaviruses. Poof! They appear divinely or in a lab in China that cannot be ruled out. And some appear to have have been on Earth for a while but we “just” found them! Lots a lab work “not to be ruled out” going on I tell yas….
Explain the defining feature of Covid 19, the furin cleavage site, that has never been found occurring naturally in any SARS like virus in the history of us studying these viruses. The exact same furin cleavage site Daszak proposed engineering at WIV two years prior to the breakout near WIV.
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 11:40 AM
Mutation.
There. I explained it.
There isn't enough evidence to prove either mutation or manipulation, natural crossover or lab leak. Anyone pretending he knows is pretending.
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 12:09 PM
Maybe Qtsa prefers pictures. :lol
Mapping COVID-19’s Early Spread In Wuhan, China
The distribution of COVID-19 cases in Wuhan in December 2019 shows an increase around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (west of the Yangtze River, indicated with a white triangle in the maps) but not near the Wuhan Institute of Virology (more than 10 miles from the market, indicated with a black square in the maps).
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-b.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-c.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-d.png
https://apps.npr.org/dailygraphics/graphics/covid-wuhan-20210714/synced/series-e.png
Mutation.
There. I explained it.
There isn't enough evidence to prove either mutation or manipulation, natural crossover or lab leak. Anyone pretending he knows is pretending.
Qtsa is too stupid to understand mutations, just like he needed spoon feeding on map showing early covid case distribution around the market place.
Qtsa is too stupid to understand mutations, just like he needed spoon feeding on map showing early covid case distribution around the market place.
You couldn't even understand the study you posted. Racoon dogs infected with Covid :lmao
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 12:26 PM
You couldn't even understand the study you posted. Racoon dogs infected with Covid :lmao
Keep deflecting instead of explaining why the initial covid cases centered around the market place instead of the lab.
Am waiting, chop, chop.
Keep deflecting instead of explaining why the initial covid cases centered around the market place instead of the lab.
Am waiting, chop, chop.
You'll get an answer as soon as you can provide me the quote from the article or study that led you to claim racoon dogs were infected with Covid and that proved it wasn't engineered.
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 12:34 PM
Oh look -- muh conditions.
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 12:37 PM
Different study from last year.
Scientists now believe that the cause of the global spread of COVID-19 may have been raccoon dogs that carried the virus and were sold at a Chinese market.
A new study from Oxford University published in Science suggests that raccoon dogs, which were sold for their fur and meat at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China, could have passed on the virus from bats to humans, scientists of the study said.
While the study is unable to conclusively prove that raccoon dogs are the originating source of COVID-19, Rasmussen said that “environmental samples point to the animals,” adding in a tweet, “Zoonotic spillover at Huanan is the only emergence scenario that accounts for all these threads of evidence.”
https://www.ibtimes.com/why-raccoon-dogs-may-have-been-cause-worldwide-covid-pandemic
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 12:39 PM
Oh look -- muh conditions.
I expected as much, as well as another trip to S. Korea in his future. :lol
Different study from last year.
Scientists now believe that the cause of the global spread of COVID-19 may have been raccoon dogs that carried the virus and were sold at a Chinese market.
A new study from Oxford University published in Science suggests that raccoon dogs, which were sold for their fur and meat at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China, could have passed on the virus from bats to humans, scientists of the study said.
While the study is unable to conclusively prove that raccoon dogs are the originating source of COVID-19, Rasmussen said that “environmental samples point to the animals,” adding in a tweet, “Zoonotic spillover at Huanan is the only emergence scenario that accounts for all these threads of evidence.”
https://www.ibtimes.com/why-raccoon-dogs-may-have-been-cause-worldwide-covid-pandemic
It's the same fucking authors you retard :lmao :lmao :lmao
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 12:45 PM
It's the same fucking authors you retard :lmao :lmao :lmao
Chop, chop.
Explain the map.
DarrinS
03-28-2023, 12:49 PM
It's the same fucking authors you retard :lmao :lmao :lmao
:lol
DarrinS
03-28-2023, 12:52 PM
Was it this one?
https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/covid-much-more-easily-explained
It's an anonymous substack I found linked in an anonymous "Tyler Durden:lol" Zero Hedge article:
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/senate-report-concludes-covid-came-research-related-incident
I don't blame you for being afraid to share.:tu
Nope. It was this one.
https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/senate-report-sars-cov-2-likely-came
Chop, chop.
Explain the map.
How did you not realize it was the same fucking authors as the recent shit study you posted on racoon dogs? :lmao
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 01:01 PM
Nope. It was this one.
https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/senate-report-sars-cov-2-likely-came
Why were you so reluctant to disclose that?
pgardn
03-28-2023, 01:04 PM
Explain the defining feature of Covid 19, the furin cleavage site, that has never been found occurring naturally in any SARS like virus in the history of us studying these viruses. The exact same furin cleavage site Daszak proposed engineering at WIV two years prior to the breakout near WIV.
Because it is one of the likeliest sites to undergo changes. Its an extraordinary adaptable site and been found in multiple variants of coronaviruses and the number of changes to this site will continue to pop up the more we study it. It it the exact same site because thats where the variability ALREADY was found and made sense from a natural selection point of view. Is it the EXACT SAME SEQUENCE PROPOSED? absolutely NOT.
You just dont understand so many things. Sites, regulatory sites, coding sites are sequences that we know are important. SEQUENCES are the exact base sequence, in rna viruses using A,C,G and U. Like a sequence of ACCCCUGAGGUAA... on and on... You just dont have a clue. You need to read a whole lot more. The SEQUENCE helps us to get down to nitty gritty genealogy of simple viruses. And yes viruses are simple in their base sequence. You dont even know enough to know why this is. You just dont know this stuff. You need to stop.
There is also a whole bunch more information as to exactly why this site is important in infection in Coronaviruses (that have been around for a long time.)
DarrinS
03-28-2023, 01:04 PM
Why were you so reluctant to disclose that?
I wasn't.
pgardn
03-28-2023, 01:05 PM
You couldn't even understand the study you posted. Racoon dogs infected with Covid :lmao
This....
I so unbelievably hypocritical its off the scale.
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 01:08 PM
I wasn't.
You posted a map with a different data set to claim that the map I showed was incorrect.
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 01:12 PM
How did you not realize it was the same fucking authors as the recent shit study you posted on racoon dogs? :lmao
Last year, it was suspected that raccoon dogs were vector that permitted bat to human covid transmission.
The latest study found data previously unreleased by the Chinese. It strengthened the role of raccoon dogs in spread of covid cited in the previous study.
The map explanation, chop, chop.
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 01:12 PM
I wasn't.
You absolutely were.
You were asked last night and you refused to answer.
Why?
Because it is one of the likeliest sites to undergo changes. Its an extraordinary adaptable site and been found in multiple variants of coronaviruses and the number of changes to this site will continue to pop up the more we study it. It it the exact same site because thats where the variability ALREADY was found and made sense from a natural selection point of view. Is it the EXACT SAME SEQUENCE PROPOSED? absolutely NOT.
You just dont understand so many things. Sites, regulatory sites, coding sites are sequences that we know are important. SEQUENCES are the exact base sequence, in rna viruses using A,C,G and U. Like a sequence of ACCCCUGAGGUAA... on and on... You just dont have a clue. You need to read a whole lot more. The SEQUENCE helps us to get down to nitty gritty genealogy of simple viruses. And yes viruses are simple in their base sequence. You dont even know enough to know why this is. You just dont know this stuff. You need to stop.
There is also a whole bunch more information as to exactly why this site is important in infection in Coronaviruses (that have been around for a long time.)
A furin cleavage site had never been found in a naturally occurring SARS-like virus is the history of studying SARS-like viruses. The only place it's been seen is in a lab that inserted it.
Last year, it was suspected that raccoon dogs were vector that permitted bat to human covid transmission.
The latest study found data previously unreleased by the Chinese. It strengthened the role of raccoon dogs in spread of covid cited in the previous study.
The map explanation, chop, chop.
How did you not realize it was the same fucking authors as the recent shit study you posted on racoon dogs? :lmao
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 01:28 PM
A furin cleavage site had never been found in a naturally occurring SARS-like virus is the history of studying SARS-like viruses. The only place it's been seen is in a lab that inserted it.How often can a virus mutate, TSA?
Once in a million years?
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 01:31 PM
How did you not realize it was the same fucking authors as the recent shit study you posted on racoon dogs? :lmao
I did not say anything about the authorship of the studies, stop trying to deflect.
The map explanation is pending. Chop, chop or are you en route to S. Korea?
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 01:38 PM
How often can a virus mutate, TSA?
Once in a million years?
Idiot is citing a bullshit study claim that was refuted:
SARS-CoV-2 furin cleavage site was not engineered.
Harrison and Sachs (1) make a serious accusation against scientists at the University of North Carolina (UNC) and the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) based on an eight-amino-acid sequence similarity between the furin cleavage site (FCS) of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Spike and one of the FCSs of human amiloride-sensitive epithelial sodium channel α subunit (ENaC) (2). Both proteins have the sequence RRARSVAS (Fig. 1A). Harrison and Sachs cite work on rat ENaC from UNC (3, 4) and suggest that the UNC and WIV coronavirologists may have mimicked human ENaC FCS to make SARS-CoV-2 more infectious for lung epithelia.
Numerous features of SARS-CoV-2 FCS demonstrate that it was not engineered to mimic human ENaC:
-Alignment of the nucleotide sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 Spike gene with the closest known coronavirus Spike gene from Laotian bat coronavirus BANAL-20-52 (5) clearly shows that four extra amino acids (PRRA), not eight, were added to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein (Fig. 1B).
-There was an insertion of 12 nucleotides into the Spike gene (Fig. 1B, box) (6). This nucleotide insertion is out of frame (6, 7).
-The insertion adds a proline not present in ENaC.
-Except for one codon (cgu that encodes arginine 685), each of the codons for RRARSVAS is different in human ENaC and SARS-CoV-2 (Fig. 1B).
-Five of eight amino acids (RSVAS; underlined in Fig. 1A, red box in Fig. 1C) in or near the ENaC FCS sequence shared with SARS-Cov-2 Spike are present in Spikes of sarbecoviruses, such as BANAL-20-52. It would be illogical to use the FCS from ENac rather than from a FCS of another coronavirus.
Harrison and Sachs’s (1) claim that alignment of sarbecovirus Spike amino acid sequences illustrates“the unusual nature of the [SARS-CoV-2] FCS” is misleading. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, and present in representatives of four out of five betacoronavirus subgenuses (8). The highly variable nature of the S1/S2 junction is easily ascertained by inspecting a precise alignment of sarbecovirus Spikes (Fig. 1C).
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2211107119
I did not say anything about the authorship of the studies, stop trying to deflect.
The map explanation is pending. Chop, chop or are you en route to S. Korea?
Did you know it was the same authors?
Idiot is citing a bullshit study claim that was refuted:
SARS-CoV-2 furin cleavage site was not engineered.
Harrison and Sachs (1) make a serious accusation against scientists at the University of North Carolina (UNC) and the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) based on an eight-amino-acid sequence similarity between the furin cleavage site (FCS) of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Spike and one of the FCSs of human amiloride-sensitive epithelial sodium channel α subunit (ENaC) (2). Both proteins have the sequence RRARSVAS (Fig. 1A). Harrison and Sachs cite work on rat ENaC from UNC (3, 4) and suggest that the UNC and WIV coronavirologists may have mimicked human ENaC FCS to make SARS-CoV-2 more infectious for lung epithelia.
Numerous features of SARS-CoV-2 FCS demonstrate that it was not engineered to mimic human ENaC:
-Alignment of the nucleotide sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 Spike gene with the closest known coronavirus Spike gene from Laotian bat coronavirus BANAL-20-52 (5) clearly shows that four extra amino acids (PRRA), not eight, were added to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein (Fig. 1B).
-There was an insertion of 12 nucleotides into the Spike gene (Fig. 1B, box) (6). This nucleotide insertion is out of frame (6, 7).
-The insertion adds a proline not present in ENaC.
-Except for one codon (cgu that encodes arginine 685), each of the codons for RRARSVAS is different in human ENaC and SARS-CoV-2 (Fig. 1B).
-Five of eight amino acids (RSVAS; underlined in Fig. 1A, red box in Fig. 1C) in or near the ENaC FCS sequence shared with SARS-Cov-2 Spike are present in Spikes of sarbecoviruses, such as BANAL-20-52. It would be illogical to use the FCS from ENac rather than from a FCS of another coronavirus.
Harrison and Sachs’s (1) claim that alignment of sarbecovirus Spike amino acid sequences illustrates“the unusual nature of the [SARS-CoV-2] FCS” is misleading. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, and present in representatives of four out of five betacoronavirus subgenuses (8). The highly variable nature of the S1/S2 junction is easily ascertained by inspecting a precise alignment of sarbecovirus Spikes (Fig. 1C).
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2211107119
SARS-like coronaviruses you fucking idiot. A furin cleavage site had never been seen in a naturally occurring SARS-like coronavirus until SARS-CoV-2.
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 01:43 PM
Did you know it was the same authors?
The map explanation, chop, chop.
The map explanation, chop, chop.
:lol muh map
DarrinS
03-28-2023, 01:44 PM
I did not say anything about the authorship of the studies, stop trying to deflect.
The map explanation is pending. Chop, chop or are you en route to S. Korea?
The source data for your map is China CDC. :lmao
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 01:45 PM
SARS-like coronaviruses you fucking idiot. A furin cleavage site had never been seen in a naturally occurring SARS-like coronavirus until SARS-CoV-2.
Learn to read: FCSs are common in coronaviruses. Idiot.
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 01:50 PM
The source data for your map is China CDC. :lmao
Idiot, your map source was the Chinese weibo social media platform, remember? Oh, the irony or were you just drunk, again? :lmao
Figure 5: Spatial distribution of Weibo social media platform users who used COVID-19 assistance channel, a web application people searched when looking for flu-like symptoms, from Dec. 20, 2019 to Jan. 18, 202
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 01:52 PM
The source data for your map is China CDC. :lmao
Where do you get your data about the spread of a disease in China?
Iceland?
pgardn
03-28-2023, 01:53 PM
A furin cleavage site had never been found in a naturally occurring SARS-like virus is the history of studying SARS-like viruses. The only place it's been seen is in a lab that inserted it.
This is absolutely wrong.
The difference is the base sequence.
Learn to read: FCSs are common in coronaviruses. Idiot.There are 7 different human coronaviruses.
Learn to read, I even bolded it for you. They were never common in SARS-like coronaviruses, never.
This is absolutely wrong.
The difference is the base sequence.
Holy shit not only have you solved the origins of Covid you are also the first person to find a FCS in a naturally occurring SARS-like virus. Please share your amazing discovery. Which SARS-like virus did you find with a FCS?
The source data for your map is China CDC. :lmao
:lol muh map
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 02:03 PM
:lol muh map
Darrin posted a map.
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 02:05 PM
There are 7 different human coronaviruses.
Learn to read, I even bolded it for you. They were never common in SARS-like coronaviruses, never.
Learn to read: FCSs are common in coronaviruses. Idiot.
Learn to read: FCSs are common in coronaviruses. Idiot.
Learn to read: There are 7 different human coronaviruses. A FCS had never been seen naturally occurring in a SARS-like coronavirus until covid. Facts, idiot.
ChumpDumper
03-28-2023, 02:12 PM
What would prevent an FCS from happening in a natural mutation?
Ef-man
03-28-2023, 02:13 PM
Learn to read: There are 7 different human coronaviruses. A FCS had never been seen naturally occurring in a SARS-like coronavirus until covid. Facts, idiot.
Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.
pgardn
03-28-2023, 02:15 PM
Holy shit not only have you solved the origins of Covid you are also the first person to find a FCS in a naturally occurring SARS-like virus. Please share your amazing discovery. Which SARS-like virus did you find with a FCS?
You are a fkn idiot. You still dont get the difference between a site and a sequence. There are numerous furin cleavage sites. Its the sequence that makes them different. The function of the site pretty much the same.
248 separate Coronaviruses with 86 DIVERSIFIED furin cleavage sites (diverse in SEQUENCE). That have been detected in 24 animal hosts including humans in 28 countries. And this is only one article.
Suggestion: Google Furin cleavage sites in Coronaviruses.
You keep making the same mistake. Please stop. Im gonna have to get back and then you will launch off on some other piece of stupidity.
And thank you for praising my ability to look up details on the internet.
You also have no fkn clue what evolutionary trees are made through sites and sequencing nucleic acids
Covid is a coronavirus, fact. FCSs are common in coronaviruses, fact. Learn to read. Idiot.
Ok then this should be easy for you since they are so common. Show me a SARS-like coronavirus with a FCS that was found before covid. Chop chop.
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