Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[RandomGuy]

Florida won't become the UK. We know that. Places like NY, UK, and dense population centers with mass transit and people packed into apartment buildings are where the disease thrives. But RandomGuy's point was correct. Florida was inevitable. They'll probably wind up around 500ish deaths per million after this wave, which places them in Italy territory.

Eyup. Something I also pointed out (Florida's age demographic).

It boggles the mind that TSA thinks that somehow reality will bend to the will of the administration. Highly communicable diseases somehow won't spread, people won't get sick and die, etc, simply because it is inconvenient for Trump's ego and fragile self-esteem.

[tholdren]

White House: Science shouldn't 'stand in the way' of school openings

:lol

You have your marching orders now, bootlick. Trying to convince people with science is passe, so you can stop trying to post studies about how safe children 10 and under are, while ignoring the risks to teenagers.
Lol meltdown name calling and unable to use science or math

Ifr of 40 and younger less than flu.

[baseline bum]

Eyup. Something I also pointed out (Florida's age demographic).

It boggles the mind that TSA thinks that somehow reality will bend to the will of the administration. Highly communicable diseases somehow won't spread, people won't get sick and die, etc, simply because it is inconvenient for Trump's ego and fragile self-esteem.

How come your wife doesn't want to sacrifice herself for Trump's re-election campaign?

[TSA]

Dude, you need to start a goal post moving company. Hire some guys. Put that expertise to work. :lol

Got any other new excuses?

UK deaths/100K pop 68
Florida deaths/100k pop 20

:lol muh tests

[TSA]

White House: Science shouldn't 'stand in the way' of school openings

:lol

You have your marching orders now, bootlick. Trying to convince people with science is passe, so you can stop trying to post studies about how safe children 10 and under are, while ignoring the risks to teenagers.

The irony of accusing me of having marching orders when you got your marching orders and ran straight here with your fake news :rollin

“The science should not stand in the way of this, And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — ‘Of course we can do it. Everyone else in the Western world, our peer nations, are doing it. We are the outlier here.’ The science is very clear on this — that, you know, for instance, you look at the [Journal of the American Medical Association's] pediatric study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu. The science is on our side here. We encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science. Open our schools.”

:lol bootlicking motherfucker

[tholdren]

The amount of new pop up testing in current hot states. Get ready.

[midnightpulp]

Lol meltdown name calling and unable to use science or math

Ifr of 40 and younger less than flu.

Show your math

[tholdren]

Show your math

You cant figure out ifr. Lolooollol

[midnightpulp]

The irony of accusing me of having marching orders when you got your marching orders and ran straight here with your fake news :rollin

“The science should not stand in the way of this, And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — ‘Of course we can do it. Everyone else in the Western world, our peer nations, are doing it. We are the outlier here.’ The science is very clear on this — that, you know, for instance, you look at the [Journal of the American Medical Association's] pediatric study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu. The science is on our side here. We encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science. Open our schools.”

:lol bootlicking motherfucker

Has Mexico, India, and Brazil opened schools yet?

(I'm implying :lol at calling developed European countries our "peer nations." We're downgraded).

[tholdren]

NEW YORK — The city will offer child care for 100,000 kids who will be unable to attend school full time in the fall, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday

“So many parents have also said they can’t make it work if they don’t get more child care,” de Blasio said. “We’ve been trying to find every way to create new child care — and to build it from scratch, honestly, because we’re having to create something that didn’t exist before on this scale.”

City officials are currently scouring for space that will include community centers and libraries converted into child care centers. Private landlords are also encouraged to pitch their space to the city for either school or child care.

“We’ve got a little under two months until school begins. We’ve got a lot to do, and nothing like this has ever been attempted on this timeframe,” de Blasio said. “But we’re going to find a way to do this, and hopefully much more.
The child care programs will be capped at fifteen students per room, in line with state social distancing rules, said city budget director Melanie Hartzog.

The programs will supervise children while they participate in online learning, and offer arts and recreation activities and possibly local field trips.

The city will provide money to pay for masks and other personal protective equipment. Once they hit 100,000 seats, they hope to expand the program.

“Our teams are on the ground dealing with not-for profits, libraries, business communities, business groups, individuals. We are everywhere throughout the city, and we will find space,” said Lorraine Grillo, head of the School Construction Authority. “We’re concentrating in all five boroughs

[tholdren]

NEW YORK — The city will offer child care for 100,000 kids who will be unable to attend school full time in the fall, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday

“So many parents have also said they can’t make it work if they don’t get more child care,” de Blasio said. “We’ve been trying to find every way to create new child care — and to build it from scratch, honestly, because we’re having to create something that didn’t exist before on this scale.”

City officials are currently scouring for space that will include community centers and libraries converted into child care centers. Private landlords are also encouraged to pitch their space to the city for either school or child care.

“We’ve got a little under two months until school begins. We’ve got a lot to do, and nothing like this has ever been attempted on this timeframe,” de Blasio said. “But we’re going to find a way to do this, and hopefully much more.
The child care programs will be capped at fifteen students per room, in line with state social distancing rules, said city budget director Melanie Hartzog.

The programs will supervise children while they participate in online learning, and offer arts and recreation activities and possibly local field trips.

The city will provide money to pay for masks and other personal protective equipment. Once they hit 100,000 seats, they hope to expand the program.

“Our teams are on the ground dealing with not-for profits, libraries, business communities, business groups, individuals. We are everywhere throughout the city, and we will find space,” said Lorraine Grillo, head of the School Construction Authority. “We’re concentrating in all five boroughs

Lolololol you cant make this up. We want to keep you socially distant at school then we will mix you with other random people then send you back to school.

But shut down bars.

[boutons_deux]

Days after hospitals were told to stop sending information to CDC, all the fears appear justified

that information fed dashboards at the CDC, which provided information not just on the number of confirmed cases and deaths, but on the rates of hospitalization and number of available beds.

On Thursday morning, that site temporarily vanished.

Then it returned, featuring data from … last week.

The change in where and how hospitals report data, backed up by Donald

Trump threatening to sending the National Guard (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/14/1960601/-White-House-instructing-governors-to-send-National-Guard-to-hospitals-to-oversee-data-on-COVID-19)in to make them “do it right,”

means that the CDC is now bypassed (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/15/1960903/-The-scheme-to-bypass-the-CDC-and-send-Nation-Guard-to-hospitals-looks-suspicious-because-it-is).

what’s coming out is significantly less information.

Just a couple of days into the new program, experts at both the state and national level are finding that

the change is doing exactly what many feared—making it more difficult to track the threat of COVID-19.

the switchover had an immediate effect on the ability of state officials to see what was going on in their own states,

with the spokesperson for the Idaho Department of Health reporting “significant challenges” in their ability to monitor the number of hospitalizations.

It’s all going into HHS, directly from individual hospitals, and

what comes out the other side is only what the White House chooses to make available.

the alternative system, which is managed by private healthcare firm TeleTracking, is already resulting in

delays and a lack of information that state officials called stunning and disappointing.

anyone who wants to research, provide projections of trends, or double-check information coming from leadership at the state or federal level.

It also means that

thousands of city and county health officials have lost their direct access to their own local data.

the data that’s required suddenly unavailable.

It’s sudden and complete inaccess to the core information needed to show what tactics are working and how healthcare systems are to being overwhelmed.

it’s supposed to allow the White House better visibility to the information, :lol

but the cost appears to be that everyone else has been shut out,
health experts feared that

COVID-19 data will be easily politicized,

or withheld from the public,

in a system where everything is invisible

until the White House makes it visible.

Those fears appear to be well grounded. And Trump hasn’t even sent in the National Guard. Yet.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/16/1961226/-Hospitals-are-still-sending-in-data-on-COVID-19-but-it-s-no-longer-visible-outside-the-White-House?detail=emaildkre

========================

White House instructing governors to send National Guard to hospitals to oversee data on COVID-19

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/14/1960601/-White-House-instructing-governors-to-send-National-Guard-to-hospitals-to-oversee-data-on-COVID-19

[baseline bum]

Lolololol you cant make this up. We want to keep you socially distant at school then we will mix you with other random people then send you back to school.

But shut down bars.

You're really good at making shit up

[baseline bum]

Has Mexico, India, and Brazil opened schools yet?

(I'm implying :lol at calling developed European countries our "peer nations." We're downgraded).

:lol

[tholdren]

NEW YORK — The city will offer child care for 100,000 kids who will be unable to attend school full time in the fall, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday

“So many parents have also said they can’t make it work if they don’t get more child care,” de Blasio said. “We’ve been trying to find every way to create new child care — and to build it from scratch, honestly, because we’re having to create something that didn’t exist before on this scale.”

City officials are currently scouring for space that will include community centers and libraries converted into child care centers. Private landlords are also encouraged to pitch their space to the city for either school or child care.

“We’ve got a little under two months until school begins. We’ve got a lot to do, and nothing like this has ever been attempted on this timeframe,” de Blasio said. “But we’re going to find a way to do this, and hopefully much more.
The child care programs will be capped at fifteen students per room, in line with state social distancing rules, said city budget director Melanie Hartzog.

The programs will supervise children while they participate in online learning, and offer arts and recreation activities and possibly local field trips.

The city will provide money to pay for masks and other personal protective equipment. Once they hit 100,000 seats, they hope to expand the program.

“Our teams are on the ground dealing with not-for profits, libraries, business communities, business groups, individuals. We are everywhere throughout the city, and we will find space,” said Lorraine Grillo, head of the School Construction Authority. “We’re concentrating in all five boroughs

Ny says its too dangerous to send kids to school every day because the social distancing. So they will mix the kids up and put them with different kids for half the week in a different building because its safe. For 8 hours. For 100k kids.



After the states shut down daycares and forced businesses to close states will now help open new day cares....

Meanwhile

It's not okay for 20 people in a bar or a church for 1 hr.

Because...

[tholdren]

Ny says its too dangerous to send kids to school every day because the social distancing. So they will mix the kids up and put them with different kids for half the week in a different building because its safe. For 8 hours. For 100k kids.



After the states shut down daycares and forced businesses to close states will now help open new day cares....

Meanwhile

It's not okay for 20 people in a bar or a church for 1 hr.

Because...

Blake science

[tholdren]

Ny says its too dangerous to send kids to school every day because the social distancing. So they will mix the kids up and put them with different kids for half the week in a different building because its safe. For 8 hours. For 100k kids.



After the states shut down daycares and forced businesses to close states will now help open new day cares....

Meanwhile

It's not okay for 20 people in a bar or a church for 1 hr.

Because...

So instead of going to 1 school kids will mix with different kids and go to 2 schools.

Great idea

[Blake]

For those who care or are interested - 6 of the residents who tested positive are now dead, and 3 more are on hospice. I was hopeful the virus has mutated, but I’m not convinced anymore.

None of the other senior care centers we own have had any COVID, but once COVID gets inside an assisted living facility or nursing home, it spreads like wildfire and there’s only so much that can be done to stop it.

Damn

[Blake]

Ny says its too dangerous to send kids to school every day because the social distancing. So they will mix the kids up and put them with different kids for half the week in a different building because its safe. For 8 hours. For 100k kids.



After the states shut down daycares and forced businesses to close states will now help open new day cares....

Meanwhile

It's not okay for 20 people in a bar or a church for 1 hr.

Because...

I'm not good with schools opening up at all but at the very least we can call education an essential function.

I guess tholderp needs his bar followed by church service.

[Spurtacular]

I'm not good with schools opening up at all but at the very least we can call education an essential function.

Why is it essential?

[tholdren]

I'm not good with schools opening up at all but at the very least we can call education an essential function.

I guess tholderp needs his bar followed by church service.

So covid doesnt spread in an essential function now?

And if it were essential why did ny close school?

[Blake]

Why is it essential?

School is where you learn how to read simple graphs

[Spurtacular]

School is where you learn how to read simple graphs

Will you die if you can't read a graph?

[Blake]

So covid doesnt spread in an essential function now?

And if it were essential why did ny close school?

You're ridiculously stupid.

Go back to your lols.

[tholdren]

School is where you learn how to read simple graphs
So you will be glad to get back to learn

[Blake]

Will you die if you can't read a graph?

Online school works just fine.

You're ridiculously stupid too. Go back to your comfort thread where you obsess over me.

[tholdren]

You're ridiculously stupid.

Go back to your lols.
So you are arbitrarily picking and choosing essentials? And cannot respond why ny closed schools.

You lost.

[tholdren]

Blake on here earlier saying ny schools opening full time. Wrong

[ElNono]

So you are arbitrarily picking and choosing essentials? And cannot respond why ny closed schools.

You lost.

Gossip

[Blake]

Blake on here earlier saying ny schools opening full time. Wrong

Why do you guys need to lie like this? Every thread

[Spurtacular]

Online school works just fine.

You're ridiculously stupid too. Go back to your comfort thread where you obsess over me.

So, public schools aren't essential. Thanks for admitting it.

[TSA]

Online school works just fine.
Doesn’t work fine when you don’t have a computer at home or any internet access. What do the millions of kids in that category do?

[boutons_deux]

"we’re highlighting exclusive White House documents we obtained related to the

coronavirus,

breaking down the conversation around the future of education and

the latest from our partners at Vox on how deregulation affects nursing homes. Let’s dive in.

https://mail.google.com/mail/e/1f6a8Exclusive:

We obtained unpublicized documents prepared for the White House Coronavirus Task Force.

The report recommends that 18 states in the coronavirus “red zone” for cases roll back reopening measures amid surging numbers.

The 18 states in the “red zone” for coronavirus cases means they had more than 100 new cases per 100,000 population last week.

Eleven states are in the “red zone” for test positivity. That means more than 10 percent of diagnostic test results came back positive.

The document also suggests more than a dozen states

revert to more stringent protective measures,

including limiting social gatherings,

closing bars and gyms and

asking residents to wear masks at all times.

But not all states are taking the task force’s guidelines seriously. " :lol

-- email from Center for Public Integrity

[DMC]

Doesn’t work fine when you don’t have a computer at home or any internet access. What do the millions of kids in that category do?

Some schools provide a tablet and have mobile hotspots positioned in neighborhoods for these kids. SOME schools.

[Blake]

Doesn’t work fine when you don’t have a computer at home or any internet access. What do the millions of kids in that category do?

We should have been providing internet service for low income families years ago. Not too late to start now.

NISD here in SA gave kids tablets in the spring. Do it again.

This isn't rocket science

[boutons_deux]

Sun Belt hospitals are feeling the strain from virus’ surge — and bracing for worse

In California, doctors are #shipping patients as many as 600 miles away because they can’t be cared for locally.

In Florida, nurses are pouring in from out of state to reinforce exhausted medical workers.

And in Texas, mayors are demanding the right to shut down their cities to avoid
overwhelming hospitals.

“How many jumbo jet crashes can you handle before you run out of capacity? That’s what we’re facing.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-hospitals-florida-texas-arizona-california/2020/07/16/dea0ed7a-c79b-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-hospitals-florida-texas-arizona-california/2020/07/16/dea0ed7a-c79b-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_to_your_he alth&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1&pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.e yJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YSI sImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3NDBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNmZ GFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWYxMjBjODRmZTFmZjY1ODUxNDJkY2NkIiw idXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud2FzaGluZ3RvbnBvc3QuY29tL 25hdGlvbmFsL2Nvcm9uYXZpcnVzLWhvc3BpdGFscy1mbG9yaWR hLXRleGFzLWFyaXpvbmEtY2FsaWZvcm5pYS8yMDIwLzA3LzE2L 2RlYTBlZDdhLWM3OWItMTFlYS04ZmZlLTM3MmJlOGQ4MjI5OF9 zdG9yeS5odG1sP3V0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj13cF90b195b3VyX2hlY Wx0aCZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2x ldHRlciZ3cGlzcmM9bmxfdHloJndwbWs9MSJ9.1974BHDy6DvD 2RF42QwKYlhEIEDwuN9Yh1prwb7ZLm8)

[boutons_deux]

New York City enters final reopening phase as California, Florida, and Texas cases surge (https://theweek.com/speedreads/926332/new-york-city-enters-final-reopening-phase-california-florida-texas-cases-surge)


Once the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic,

New York City will move to its final phase of reopening on Monday, (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/nyregion/phase-4-nyc-reopen.html)

Malls, gyms, and cultural institutions will remain closed (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/nyregion/phase-4-nyc-reopen.html), as will indoor dining,

but most other businesses can reopen with appropriate social distancing measures.

At the peak of its pandemic, New York state often saw hundreds of COVID-19 deaths per day, but reported 10 deaths on Friday.

Coronavirus hospitalization totals in the state dropped to 765, the lowest they've been since mid-March, and

less than one percent of COVID-19 tests came back positive in the last 24 hours,

https://theweek.com/speedreads/926332/new-york-city-enters-final-reopening-phase-california-florida-texas-cases-surge (https://theweek.com/speedreads/926332/new-york-city-enters-final-reopening-phase-california-florida-texas-cases-surge)

[hater]

Doesn’t work fine when you don’t have a computer at home or any internet access. What do the millions of kids in that category do?

Most ppl have both except illegal immigrants tbqh

Shoulda stayed back home right?

[hater]

Called it

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1284284479490555904?s=19

[RandomGuy]

Doesn’t work fine when you don’t have a computer at home or any internet access. What do the millions of kids in that category do?

Good question. We have been failing kids like that for decades. Now you are concerned abou them?

Let's raise taxes to subsidize internet, and issue all kids tablets. Seems straightforward. Roll it out.

[RandomGuy]

The irony of accusing me of having marching orders when you got your marching orders and ran straight here with your fake news :rollin

“The science should not stand in the way of this, And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — ‘Of course we can do it. Everyone else in the Western world, our peer nations, are doing it. We are the outlier here.’ The science is very clear on this — that, you know, for instance, you look at the [Journal of the American Medical Association's] pediatric study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu. The science is on our side here. We encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science. Open our schools.”

:lol bootlicking motherfucker

:rollin

"TSA, you are a bootlicking sack of shit, parroting administration talking points, without really understanding them"

TSA[posts quotes from the white house] I am not!!

:lol

Children under ten who comprise less than half of the students in our school system.

Lie and spin, lie an spin. Post another wall of text that leave out the science on 30 million US school students and 3 million adults that work in those schools.

[boutons_deux]

Americans Increasingly Dislike How Republican Governors Are Handling The Coronavirus Outbreak

Gallup recently found (https://news.gallup.com/poll/315692/gop-governors-losing-residents-support-covid.aspx) that Americans in the

26 states governed by Republicans are souring on their leaders’ approach to the public health crisis,

while sentiment remains steadily positive among residents of the 24 states governed by Democrats.

In fact, over the past month, the share of respondents who agreed that their governor cared about the safety and health of their community

fell by 8 points, from 61 percent to 53 percent, in states where a Republican is governor;

opinion in Democratic-run states hovered around 65 percent, despite some movement week to week.

on the question of how clearly governors were communicating their plans to address the coronavirus, the GOP also got low marks.

Gallup isn’t the only pollster to find GOP leaders getting lower scores for the way they’re dealing with the coronavirus pandemic.

Change Research’s polling (https://www.changeresearch.com/post/states-of-play-battleground-wave-9) of six battleground states found especially poor numbers for Republican governors in two states where the number of coronavirus cases surged in the first half of July: Florida (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/florida-coronavirus-cases.html) and Arizona (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/arizona-coronavirus-cases.html).

on the whole, Americans have a somewhat more favorable view of the way Democratic governors have handled the pandemic than the way Republican governors are responding.

Trump’s response to the coronavirus ...

About 58 percent now disapprove of his handling of the pandemic

while just 38 percent approve,

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-increasingly-dislike-how-republican-governors-are-handling-the-coronavirus-outbreak/

[Will Hunting]

Called it

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1284284479490555904?s=19
If DJT was paying attention back when this thread was made,coronavirus would be a non-issue by now. He threw away an easy re-election because he was too lazy to read daily briefings :lol

[boutons_deux]

he was too lazy to read daily briefings :lol

there's been 3 years of that, but in his simplistic, ignorant mind, a high stock market was key to his re-election, and he knew that if a Wuhan hit USA, the stock market would go down.

I also think he had no fucking idea what to do about fighting a pandemic. He hates competence (except for toadies competent in sucking his dick), facts, experts, science, strong, independent people as managers, and he had none of that at hand.

He had been destroying USA's pandemic preparedness for 2 years, right up to a couple of months before Wuhan.

He was all alone, he knew it, and froze, blamed Obama, praised Xi, and did nothing for about 3 months, GAMEOVER.

150K Americans dead from The Trump-Made Pandemic, 50x more than OBL's dead count, and Trash still has 40% approval.

[TheGreatYacht]

”In 4 months, the U.S. transformed into an obedient socialist country. Government dictated what events are acceptable to attend. Violent protests that instill fear are OK but church services, family funerals and patriotic celebrations are dangerous. And you bought it without a fight.

Standing in a graduation line is a "safety hazard". Small businesses were forced to close but crowds to support the corporate money machine at WalMart, Lowes and Home Depot are OK.

Come on. It's "just a mask" & "safety precautions".

How about a little hush money. Here's $2,400 that we stole out of your pay check in the first place. Enjoy. Buy something with it. From a big corporation.

Cash is dirty. We can't give change. There's a coin shortage. Use your card. In 4 months, they convinced you to use a traceable card for everything.

In less than 4 months, government closed public schools then "restructured" education under the guise of "public safety". In less than 4 months, our government demonstrated how easily people assimilate to "guidelines" that have NO scientific premise whatsoever when you are fearful.

In less than 4 months, our government successfully instilled fear in a majority of the population in America that allows them to control every aspect of your life. Including what you eat, where you go, who you see and your toilet paper.

And the most dangerous and terrifying part? People are not afraid of the government who removed their freedom. They're afraid of their neighbors, family and friends.

And they hate those who won't comply.

It's absolutely terrifying to me that so many people don't question "authority". They are willing to surrender their critical thinking skills and independence. They just... gave up without thinking. Without a fight.

Do you know what's coming next?
"It's just a vaccine. Come on. It's for the greater good".

Wait until you're told that you can't enter any store or business without proof of the Covid-19 vaccine. Wait until you can't go to public events or get on a plane without proof of receiving the vaccine.

To everyone that doesn't believe this is possible - DO YOU UNDERSTAND that government successfully dictated to people WHEN they were allowed to be outside, where they were allowed to go, and how their children would be educated in less than 4 months? And that a majority of the population followed blindly because they were told to do so.

You're kidding yourself if you think this behavior won't be repeated with a vaccine. Or whatever the next step is.

"I don't follow politics."
"Who cares about that stuff?"
"I don't like to think about it."

They got you. Without a thought. Without a fight. Just like France. Just like Russia. Just like China. Welcome, comrade”.

https://i.ibb.co/TmTY97Z/FB-IMG-1595067018410.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus Live Updates: ‘Red Zone’ Warning for 18 U.S. States

The outbreak is so widespread that 18 states have been placed in a so-called red zone because

they have more than 100 new cases per 100,000 people per week

The states —

Alabama,
Arizona,
Arkansas,
California,
Florida,
Georgia,
Idaho,
Iowa,
Kansas,
Louisiana,
Mississippi,
Nevada,
North Carolina,
Oklahoma,
South Carolina,
Tennessee,
Texas
and Utah

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/world/coronavirus-news.html

MISgovernment by Repugs, it's what's good fer ya

[hater]

If DJT was paying attention back when this thread was made,coronavirus would be a non-issue by now. He threw away an easy re-election because he was too lazy to read daily briefings :lol

He coulda read my thread as well tbqh :lol

I called it even before US intelligence

[hater]

He coulda read my thread as well tbqh :lol

I called it even before US intelligence

I also called wed all b wearing masks even when Fauci was saying they are bad for you :lol

[tholdren]

In June hhs released 15 billion, another, and 2% in chip and medicaid patients. This is why hospitals are not over capcity and running 90pct icu and deaths not correlating. In addition to younger population who get it and is just a case count.

[tholdren]

Coronavirus Live Updates: ‘Red Zone’ Warning for 18 U.S. States

The outbreak is so widespread that 18 states have been placed in a so-called red zone because

they have more than 100 new cases per 100,000 people per week

The states —

Alabama,
Arizona,
Arkansas,
California,
Florida,
Georgia,
Idaho,
Iowa,
Kansas,
Louisiana,
Mississippi,
Nevada,
North Carolina,
Oklahoma,
South Carolina,
Tennessee,
Texas
and Utah

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/world/coronavirus-news.html

MISgovernment by Repugs, it's what's good fer ya

Now go through and identify who are ab cases, who are listed as probable, who is getting tested just because of interest, pop up testing, etc. These numbers mean nothing

[boutons_deux]

Bad News about the Pandemic:

We're Not Getting Back to Normal Any Time Soon

dangerous judgment error that cognitive neuroscientists call normalcy bias.

This mental blind spot refers to the fact that

our gut reactions drive us to feel that the future,

at least in the short and medium term of the next couple of years,

will function in roughly the same way as the past: normally.

As a result (https://disasteravoidanceexperts.com/how-normalcy-bias-led-boeing-to-crash-into-disaster/), we tend to vastly underestimate both the possibility and impact of a disaster striking us.

Moreover, we will rush to get back to normal

even when we should be preparing for the aftershocks or continuation of the disaster.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bad-news-about-the-pandemic-were-not-getting-back-to-normal-any-time-soon/?print=true (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bad-news-about-the-pandemic-were-not-getting-back-to-normal-any-time-soon/?print=true)

[tholdren]

Now go through and identify who are ab cases, who are listed as probable, who is getting tested just because of interest, pop up testing, etc. These numbers mean nothing

Then when you are finished match the cases identified with onset and test date.

Which you won't.

This has not been epidemic for weeks.

#showyourmath

[Spurtacular]

:lol hayperboleter

Damn, hater. You got called out by Snitch Bitch of all people. :lol

Of course this was before he got his marching orders.

[tholdren]

Ifr less than flu in Az

[tholdren]

this just in, states using number of tests to justify restrictions....

The more people who test the worse the virus is. No matter pos or negative.

And

Same states creating free pop up testing sites.

Oh boy

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[boutons_deux]

‘Overwhelmed and Terrified’: Las Vegas’ Reopening Backfires Terribly

Casinos have been open for weeks—

undeterred by

123 visitors who tested positive,

a Caesars employee who died, and

a hospital system reaching the breaking point.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/las-vegas-casino-reopening-backfires-as-covid-19-surges-in-nevada

[tholdren]

‘Overwhelmed and Terrified’: Las Vegas’ Reopening Backfires Terribly

Casinos have been open for weeks—

undeterred by

123 visitors who tested positive,

a Caesars employee who died, and

a hospital system reaching the breaking point.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/las-vegas-casino-reopening-backfires-as-covid-19-surges-in-nevada



Grabbing headlines. Sad

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[Winehole23]

Large scale Korean study suggests children 10-19 years of age transmit COVID-19 at a rate comparable to adults.

1284644413470203909

[DMC]

Large scale Korean study suggests children 10-19 years of age transmit COVID-19 at a rate comparable to adults.

1284644413470203909

19 year old isn't a child. If you're Avante, a 12 year old isn't.

[ChumpDumper]

Ifr less than flu in AzShow your math.

[tholdren]

^ gossip

I've got el nono copying now.

Check

Mate

[baseline bum]

19 year old isn't a child. If you're Avante, a 12 year old isn't.

19 might be a child in Korea. I know in Japan you're considered a child until you hit 20.

[tholdren]

^ gossip

I've got el nono copying now.

Check

Mate

[Trainwreck2100]

Large scale Korean study suggests children 10-19 years of age transmit COVID-19 at a rate comparable to adults.

1284644413470203909

It could be fucking zero, we could go through, a scenario where no students die, and a shitload of teachers will still get the rona.

[Blake]

I've got el nono copying now.

Check

Mate

Great you can leave now

[Blake]

It could be fucking zero, we could go through, a scenario where no students die, and a shitload of teachers will still get the rona.

The teachers don't count tho

[Trainwreck2100]

The teachers don't count tho

They do, but they're :cry heroes :cry thank you for your sacrifice

[baseline bum]

It could be fucking zero, we could go through, a scenario where no students die, and a shitload of teachers will still get the rona.

Best case for the Republicans, all the old teachers paid most die off and get replaced by recent grads who will be thrilled to take shorts just to have a better job than Starbucks in the Trump Depression.

[Trainwreck2100]

Best case for the Republicans, all the old teachers paid most die off and get replaced by recent grads who will be thrilled to take shorts just to have a better job than Starbucks in the Trump Depression.

If they most of the teachers to shut up and show up they should just institute a "hazard rona student loan forgiveness for teachers". If they make it the year they're forgiven. Kinda like a running man.

[tholdren]

The teachers don't count tho
This is completely false. The fact is ifr for 64 and under is less than flu

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
Stop the gossip

[ElNono]

Best case for the Republicans, all the old teachers paid most die off and get replaced by recent grads who will be thrilled to take shorts just to have a better job than Starbucks in the Trump Depression.

I'm sure they'll be ready to bail out Starbucks for the inconvenience too, while schools don't have PPEs...

[ElNono]

This is completely false. The fact is ifr for 64 and under is less than flu

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
Stop the gossip

^ gossip

[Winehole23]

19 year old isn't a child.Fine.

I had a few 19 year old classmates in high school, you?

[tholdren]

^ gossip
Lololol el nono can't read

[Blake]

I can't stop myself from gossiping

[Blake]

Fine.

I had a few 19 year old classmates in high school, you?

More adults in the classroom

[baseline bum]

This is completely false. The fact is ifr for 64 and under is less than flu

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
Stop the gossip

Did you just link something that said SARSCov-2 has 6x the ifr of the flu? :lol

[tholdren]

Fine.

I had a few 19 year old classmates in high school, you?

19 year olds have more of a chance from death by flu almost 2x than covid.

[tholdren]

Did you just link something that said SARSCov-2 has 6x the ifr of the flu? :lol
It doesnt with daily case counts.

[baseline bum]

It doesnt with daily case counts.

LOL this data is good but it's bad. :lmao

Make up your fucking mind Dr Tholdren

[ChumpDumper]

Did you just link something that said SARSCov-2 has 6x the ifr of the flu? :lolth:lolldren with the own goal.

[baseline bum]

th:lolldren with the own goal.

Hi argument is funny. IFR is 0.64% in that link. But he says lower with the daily case counts, which have ramped up in a major way lately. But he also argues the deaths take a long time to report. So factoring in the time delay from positive test to death plus the long time delay from death to being reported it seems maybe it would be artificially low using Dr Tholdren math since the deaths haven't been counted but the infections, at by far the worst rate they have ever been in the US right now, are counted.

[tholdren]

LOL this data is good but it's bad. :lmao

Make up your fucking mind Dr Tholdren

Lol data is only valid as its captured. Ifr is based on infection detected and undetected. With case counts continuing to trend up and deaths continuing to trend down especially at the current slopes ifr will continue to drop.

[Blake]

Dr tholderp, please show your math when breaking down this chart ok thx

https://i.insider.com/5ef234caf34d051bc821d0d8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

[tholdren]

Hi argument is funny. IFR is 0.64% in that link. But he says lower with the daily case counts, which have ramped up in a major way lately. But he also argues the deaths take a long time to report. So factoring in the time delay from positive test to death plus the long time delay from death to being reported it seems maybe it would be artificially low using Dr Tholdren math since the deaths haven't been counted but the infections, at by far the worst rate they have ever been in the US right now, are counted.

Thats not correct. You have no concept of graphing data

[baseline bum]

Lol data is only valid as its captured. Ifr is based on infection detected and undetected. With case counts continuing to trend up and deaths continuing to trend down especially at the current slopes ifr will continue to drop.

You say there is a huge time delay between death to report, so sounds like you're just not counting the deaths from this current bounce but are counting the infections. LOL you linking an IFR of 0.64%. :lol

[Winehole23]

It could be fucking zero, we could go through, a scenario where no students die, and a shitload of teachers will still get the rona.Absolutely.

Some people around here don't get the prevalence and danger of asymptomatic spreaders, which children over the age of ten are likelier to be than sick from COVID-19.

[ChumpDumper]

IfrShow your math.

[baseline bum]

Thats not correct. You have no concept of graphing data

If only Dr Tholdren published

[tholdren]

Dr tholderp, please show your math when breaking down this chart ok thx

https://i.insider.com/5ef234caf34d051bc821d0d8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

This is false.

Literally the same flu data was given in march.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3%3famp

Same chart on left

What you have just explained is there has been no flu death at all since March 18 and 100 pct covid death.

Great work.

[tholdren]

If only Dr Tholdren published

I already have. You do not understand even the most basic principles of data collection to calculate very simple statistical outputs.

[ChumpDumper]

I already have.Show your math.

[baseline bum]

I already have. You do not understand even the most basic principles of data collection to calculate very simple statistical outputs.

No you haven't, Chump keeps asking you to publish and you never do.

[tholdren]

This is false.

Literally the same flu data was given in march.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3%3famp

Same chart on left

What you have just explained is there has been no flu death at all since March 18 and 100 pct covid death.

Great work.
But I would not be shocked to hear you say you believe that there has been no flu death since march 18th.

Blake, you're 0 for 2 today when name calling after posting something you think you understand but do not.

[tholdren]

This is false.

Literally the same flu data was given in march.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3%3famp

Same chart on left

What you have just explained is there has been no flu death at all since March 18 and 100 pct covid death.

Great work.
But I would not be shocked to hear you say you believe that there has been no flu death since march 18th.

Blake, you're 0 for 2 today when name calling after posting something you think you understand but do not.

[baseline bum]

But I would not be shocked to hear you say you believe that there has been no flu death since march 18th.

Blake, you're 0 for 2 today when name calling after posting something you think you understand but do not.

Why don't you publish your math for ChumpDumper? If you already published it you could just link it for him.

[tholdren]

No you haven't, Chump keeps asking you to publish and you never do.
I've literally already shown you the houstin data, but you dont undetstand that concept, so me showing you anything else would be as redundant as showing you the houston data, or even the ifr chart you dont understand. Do you think that number is stagnant?

[ElNono]

It doesnt with daily case counts.

more gossip

[tholdren]

Why don't you publish your math for ChumpDumper? If you already published it you could just link it for him.
The whole purpose is you dont know how to calculate any of it, so I call you out on posting inaccurate headlines. You can either continue to beg or figure out how to track it accurately. Which means you will have to click around and stuff

[baseline bum]

I've literally already shown you the houstin data, but you dont undetstand that concept, so me showing you anything else would be as redundant as showing you the houston data, or even the ifr chart you dont understand. Do you think that number is stagnant?

Go show ChumpDumper, your results sound groundbreaking Dr Tholdren. Maybe he would undetstand

[tholdren]

Why don't you publish your math for ChumpDumper? If you already published it you could just link it for him.
The whole purpose is you dont know how to calculate any of it, so I call you out on posting inaccurate headlines. You can either continue to beg or figure out how to track it accurately. Which means you will have to click around and stuff

[baseline bum]

I've literally already shown you the houstin data, but you dont undetstand that concept, so me showing you anything else would be as redundant as showing you the houston data, or even the ifr chart you dont understand. Do you think that number is stagnant?

Go show ChumpDumper, your results sound groundbreaking Dr Tholdren. Maybe he would undetstand

[baseline bum]

The whole purpose is you dont know how to calculate any of it, so I call you out on posting inaccurate headlines. You can either continue to beg or figure out how to track it accurately. Which means you will have to click around and stuff

Dr Tholdren as always afraid to show his work :lol

[tholdren]

Go show ChumpDumper, your results sound groundbreaking Dr Tholdren. Maybe he would undetstand

Chumpdump is only on here to troll but act like he's not a troll

[tholdren]

Dr Tholdren as always afraid to show his work :lol

I already have. You didn't understand step 1

[Blake]

This is false.

Literally the same flu data was given in march.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3%3famp

Same chart on left

What you have just explained is there has been no flu death at all since March 18 and 100 pct covid death.

Great work.

:lol I haven't explained anything. The website did based on updated CDC numbers.

Honestly it's hilarious that they're wrong and you're right.

:lol you're such a fucking moron

[Blake]

I am only on here to troll but act like I'm not a troll

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump is only on here to troll but act like he's not a trollYou are afraid to show your math.

[baseline bum]

I already have. You didn't understand step 1

You didn't show your math. You showed Houston delays reporting their deaths.

[baseline bum]

You are afraid to show your math.

Probably got the number from a Breitbart comments section or something. Would explain why tholdren never publishes.

[tholdren]

Dr tholderp, please show your math when breaking down this chart ok thx

https://i.insider.com/5ef234caf34d051bc821d0d8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Blake you never answered why the chart on the left is identical to the chart made at the beginning of March. The article also explains this lie

The coronavirus is five to 10 times more deadly than the flu for those between the ages of 0 and 45. It is 12 1/2 times more deadly than the flu for those over 85.

[baseline bum]

Blake you never answered why the chart on the left is identical to the chart made at the beginning of March. The article also explains this lie

The coronavirus is five to 10 times more deadly than the flu for those between the ages of 0 and 45. It is 12 1/2 times more deadly than the flu for those over 85.

Remember when you linked that article saying COVID was 6x more deadly than the flu? Good times.

[midnightpulp]

This is completely false. The fact is ifr for 64 and under is less than flu

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
Stop the gossip

No it isn't.
https://i.imgur.com/v7nYUmI.png

[Blake]

Blake you never answered why the chart on the left is identical to the chart made at the beginning of March. The article also explains this lie

The coronavirus is five to 10 times more deadly than the flu for those between the ages of 0 and 45. It is 12 1/2 times more deadly than the flu for those over 85.

Guess what! The chart on the left will look the same in December too! Because we've had the flu for 100 years, we know the IFR for it, dumbass

The chart on the right changes because covid 19 is only months old.

You're seriously a retarded piece of old shit

[midnightpulp]

Guess what! The chart on the left will look the same in December too! Because we've had the flu for 100 years, we know the IFR for it, dumbass

The chart on the right changes because covid 19 is only months old.

You're seriously a retarded piece of old shit

See my post above yours. And he'll probably keep doubling down. I don't why this disease being a nasty motherfucker, much nastier than the flu, is so hard for people to accept?

[baseline bum]

See my post above yours. And he'll probably keep doubling down. I don't why this disease being a nasty motherfucker, much nastier than the flu, is so hard for people to accept?

Because it makes Trump look bad

[tholdren]

Guess what! The chart on the left will look the same in December too! Because we've had the flu for 100 years, we know the IFR for it, dumbass

The chart on the right changes because covid 19 is only months old.

You're seriously a retarded piece of old shit
No. These are not correct. And ifr is not stagnant.

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math.

[baseline bum]

See my post above yours. And he'll probably keep doubling down. I don't why this disease being a nasty motherfucker, much nastier than the flu, is so hard for people to accept?

Also this is the same guy who stubbornly told everyone over and over upstairs all they had to do was wash their hands even when there was clear evidence of airborne transmission months ago through that church choir in Seattle.

[tholdren]

No it isn't.
https://i.imgur.com/v7nYUmI.png

Lol wrong. Just look at the deaths. Try again later

[Blake]

See my post above yours. And he'll probably keep doubling down. I don't why this disease being a nasty motherfucker, much nastier than the flu, is so hard for people to accept?

The only thing other than Trump I can think of is that since it's invisible and most people haven't seen it's effects firsthand it just isn't going to sink in that it's real

[Blake]

No. These are not correct. And ifr is not stagnant.

Of course IFR for seasonal flu isn't stagnant but any shlup should be able to figure out the needle barely moves from year to year.

Are you an true expert? I think you're a shlup

[tholdren]

Are you an true expert? Show your credentials lol good enough to find error in your headline post.

[midnightpulp]

Lol wrong. Just look at the deaths. Try again later

You dumb? Per your own fuckin' data there has been 19,911 Covid deaths under age 65.

Per the CDC's flu mortality data I linked, there were 10,197 flu deaths under age 65.

Now let's calculate a rough IFR from these numbers.

10,197/38,856,875 cases under 65 = .00026 IFR

19,911/~20 million estimated infected under 65 (and I'm being very generous with that 20 million estimate) = .001 IFR

Covid is just a shade under 4x more lethal for the under 65 age group in total.

Quit lying. Quit gossiping. Wear a fuckin' mask and write Abbott to shutdown non-essential businesses.

[DMC]

Flu considers estimated infections while COVID data seems to only consider positive tests. What is the estimated infections of COVID and if those numbers are tallied, does the ifr change?

[Blake]

lol good enough to find error in your headline post.

Yeah I didn't think you were anything. I'll take their word over a verified confirmed lying piece of shit.

[tholdren]

You dumb? Per your own fuckin' data there has been 19,911 Covid deaths under age 65.

Per the CDC's flu mortality data I linked, there were 10,197 flu deaths under age 65.

Now let's calculate a rough IFR from these numbers.

10,197/38,856,875 cases under 65 = .00026 IFR

19,911/~20 million estimated infected under 65 (and I'm being very generous with that 20 million estimate) = .001 IFR

Covid is just a shade under 4x more lethal for the under 65 age group in total.

Quit lying. Quit gossiping. Wear a fuckin' mask and write Abbott to shutdown non-essential businesses.

So you are taking a lower percentage of the probable deaths of the flu calculating ifr and then using data, not mine by the way, that includes an over estimate of every probable covid death?

LololoIolololol

You're the only one thats gossipimg trying to generate ifr from low avg of estimates. Lololol

Get software


Man you thought you were on to something. You blake jr?

[midnightpulp]

Flu considers estimated infections while COVID data seems to only consider positive tests. What is the estimated infections of COVID and if those numbers are tallied, does the ifr change?

Not for IFR estimates, only for CFR estimates. The best current estimate we have for the actual number of Covid cases is 27 million of the population has been infected. This is about 7x higher than the official 3.8 million count.

https://covid19-projections.com/

I was being generous with my 20 million infected under age 65 because in New York about 40 percent of the infected were over 65. If we prorate that nationally, around 16 million infected under 65 so far, which would increase the IFR.

[Blake]

So you are taking a lower percentage of the probable deaths of the flu calculating ifr and then using data, not mine by the way, that includes an over estimate of every probable covid death?

LololoIolololol

You're the only one thats gossipimg trying to generate ifr from low avg of estimates. Lololol

Get software


Man you thought you were on to something. You blake jr?

You're a lying schmuck tho

[midnightpulp]

So you are taking a lower percentage of the probable deaths of the flu calculating ifr and then using data, not mine by the way, that includes an over estimate of every probable covid death?

LololoIolololol

You're the only one thats gossipimg trying to generate ifr from low avg of estimates. Lololol

Get software


Man you thought you were on to something. You blake jr?

Nice try idiot. I'm taking the mean of both cases and deaths. If I were to take the upper bound of estimated deaths I would also divide that by the upper bound of infections, so the IFR doesn't change all that much.

And covid deaths are being under counted. All those "mysterious" pneumonia deaths happening in Texas, FL, and Georgia at time when pneumonia deaths are practically gone.

[tholdren]

Not for IFR estimates, only for CFR estimates. The best current estimate we have for the actual number of Covid cases is 27 million of the population has been infected. This is about 7x higher than the official 3.8 million count.

https://covid19-projections.com/

I was being generous with my 20 million infected under age 65 because in New York about 40 percent of the infected were over 65. If we prorate that nationally, around 16 million infected under 65 so far, which would increase the IFR.
Its not the best, its simply 1. Fatalities way too high

[tholdren]

Nice try idiot. I'm taking the mean of both cases and deaths. If I were to take the upper bound of estimated deaths I would also divide that by the upper bound of infections, so the IFR doesn't change all that much.

And covid deaths are being under counted. All those "mysterious" pneumonia deaths happening in Texas, FL, and Georgia at time when pneumonia deaths are practically gone.
No lol. You dont even understand you just added up a lowball account of flu estimates. BwahHahahaaahahahahahaha


Lollll at your understanding covid death count.

Keep using your calculator bwahahahaha

[tholdren]

you know what will help your math?

[midnightpulp]

No lol. You dont even understand you just added up a lowball account of flu estimates. BwahHahahaaahahahahahaha


Lollll at your understanding covid death count.

Keep using your calculator bwahahahaha

That's the mean, idiot. Not the lower bound. When you calculate in this regard, you use the fuckin' mean.

[tholdren]

That's the mean, idiot. Not the lower bound. When you calculate in this regard, you use the fuckin' mean.

Lolololololololololol you are so wrong with how you are going about it. And you have no clue so you use profanity. Bwahahhahahahahahauuss

esults 36 studies (43 estimates) were identified with usable data to enter into calculations and another 7 preliminary national estimates were also considered for a total of 50 estimates. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.222% to 47%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63% and corrected values ranged from 0.00% to 1.31%. Across 32 different locations, the median infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.24%). Most studies were done in pandemic epicenters with high death tolls. Median corrected IFR was 0.10% in locations with COVID-19 population mortality rate less than the global average (<73 deaths per million as of July 12, 2020), 0.27% in locations with 73-500 COVID-19 deaths per million, and 0.90% in locations exceeding 500 COVID-19 deaths per million. Among people <70 years old, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.57% with median of 0.05% across the different locations (corrected median of 0.04%). Conclusions The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and case-mix of infected and deceased patients as well as multiple other factors. Estimates of infection fatality rates inferred from seroprevalence studies tend to be much lower than original speculations made in the early days of the pandemic.

[Blake]

you know what will help your math?

By staying away from yours

[Blake]

Lolololololololololol you are so wrong with how you are going about it. And you have no clue so you use profanity. Bwahahhahahahahahauuss

esults 36 studies (43 estimates) were identified with usable data to enter into calculations and another 7 preliminary national estimates were also considered for a total of 50 estimates. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.222% to 47%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63% and corrected values ranged from 0.00% to 1.31%. Across 32 different locations, the median infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.24%). Most studies were done in pandemic epicenters with high death tolls. Median corrected IFR was 0.10% in locations with COVID-19 population mortality rate less than the global average (<73 deaths per million as of July 12, 2020), 0.27% in locations with 73-500 COVID-19 deaths per million, and 0.90% in locations exceeding 500 COVID-19 deaths per million. Among people <70 years old, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.57% with median of 0.05% across the different locations (corrected median of 0.04%). Conclusions The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and case-mix of infected and deceased patients as well as multiple other factors. Estimates of infection fatality rates inferred from seroprevalence studies tend to be much lower than original speculations made in the early days of the pandemic.

No source link. Nobody cares about your text wall

[tholdren]

No source link. Nobody cares about your text wall

blake trying to go 0 for 3 today

[tholdren]

That's the mean, idiot. Not the lower bound. When you calculate in this regard, you use the fuckin' mean.

Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63% and

[midnightpulp]

Lolololololololololol you are so wrong with how you are going about it. And you have no clue so you use profanity. Bwahahhahahahahahauuss

esults 36 studies (43 estimates) were identified with usable data to enter into calculations and another 7 preliminary national estimates were also considered for a total of 50 estimates. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.222% to 47%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 1.63% and corrected values ranged from 0.00% to 1.31%. Across 32 different locations, the median infection fatality rate was 0.27% (corrected 0.24%). Most studies were done in pandemic epicenters with high death tolls. Median corrected IFR was 0.10% in locations with COVID-19 population mortality rate less than the global average (<73 deaths per million as of July 12, 2020), 0.27% in locations with 73-500 COVID-19 deaths per million, and 0.90% in locations exceeding 500 COVID-19 deaths per million. Among people <70 years old, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.57% with median of 0.05% across the different locations (corrected median of 0.04%). Conclusions The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and case-mix of infected and deceased patients as well as multiple other factors. Estimates of infection fatality rates inferred from seroprevalence studies tend to be much lower than original speculations made in the early days of the pandemic.

You even read what you post?

Dumbing it down so you can understand, your own fuckin' info estimated IFR for <70 at .05%. That is even higher (5x higher) than my estimate for that age group:


19,911/~20 million estimated infected under 65 (and I'm being very generous with that 20 million estimate) = .001 IFR or .01%

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Doesn't know how to read studies. Constantly self-owns. Loves Trumplololololooololol

[Blake]

blake trying to go 0 for 3 today

Tholderp trying to go perfect on lying in every post

[midnightpulp]

oh,
John Ioannidis

Debunked.

[midnightpulp]

No source link. Nobody cares about your text wall

He's linking a pre-print by a known professor turned Covid truther. No one believes the shit coming out of Ioannidis's mouth.


John Ioannidis

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

[midnightpulp]

Oh, and tholdren linking papers from May :lmao

That study has already been shredded.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1262956011872280577.html

llolololol tholdren doesn't show his math, doesnt know how to read studies, links studies by truthers from may lololololol so desperate for Covid to be benign so it wont hurt lolololoTrumplololollo

[ElNono]

Remember when you linked that article saying COVID was 6x more deadly than the flu? Good times.

Remember that time he predicted 10k deaths, and then took a 2 month sabbatical to go talk to the good ol' ball coach after deeeet one.. good times.

[ElNono]

can't wait for the I wes jeeez trolling...

[Blake]

He's linking a pre-print by a known professor turned Covid truther. No one believes the shit coming out of Ioannidis's mouth.

:lol figured.

[ElNono]

He's linking a pre-print by a known professor turned Covid truther. No one believes the shit coming out of Ioannidis's mouth.

He's probably a boomer, tbh, so no surprises there.

[baseline bum]

Man, mid cuts through bullshit like a samurai sword :lol

[midnightpulp]

Man, mid cuts through bullshit like a samurai sword :lol

I try my best.

[ChumpDumper]

He's linking a pre-print by a known professor turned Covid truther. No one believes the shit coming out of Ioannidis's mouth.Well, I'm more inclined to believe his words after he went to his bunker for a couple months:

By February, we missed the window for nipping the novel coronavirus in the bud. Had we acted earlier, with aggressive testing, tracing, and isolating, like the South Koreans, the Taiwanese and the Singaporeans did, the virus wouldn't have spread as wildly as it did. The biggest lesson from this pandemic is that the costs of delaying controlling the infection can be substantial. Act decisively in haste or repent at leisure.

Once we missed the boat, the lockdown was inevitable. I say "inevitable" grudgingly because I don't think it should have reached that eventuality.

[boutons_deux]

Dozens of Mississippi lawmakers have coronavirus after weeks of refusing to wear masks

About one in six state lawmakers have tested positive for the coronavirus,

Twenty-six state legislators have now tested positive for Covid-19,

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/us/mississippi-coronavirus-legislature-trnd/index.html

The Confederacy, it's what's wrong, regressive, constipating, fucked up about America.

[Splits]

Birx is the fucking culprit. Jesus this is criminal

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-response-failure-leadership.html

[Splits]

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RE-OPEN SCHOOLS NOW

[boutons_deux]

Trash/Barr could see the pandemic out of control and decide to take advantage.

With the pandemic raging even worse (flu season) in October, 30M infected, they could postpone the election and declare a national emergency (isn't there already one declared?).

Then the postponement could drag on for months, while Trash/Barr go full "Nero decree" on Federal govt.

If people protest by the 10Ms against the postponement, then Trash/Barr declare martial law call out CBP/ICE/Erik Prince/police/sheriffs/National Guard into the streets, with shoot-to-kill orders, to maintain peace.

Nothing is "unthinkable" with Trash, Barr, Repugs, and the 5 political hacks on SCOTUS

[midnightpulp]

And this is why herd immunity (or Derp Immunity) is a massively stupid idea.


From Italy came just disturbing news that many infected people who are not in the risk groups can be at great risk of never recovering from covid-19. In the Netherlands, a study was recently conducted on 1,622 covid-19 patients with long-term symptoms. The average age of these patients was 53 years and 91 percent of them had not needed hospital care during the course of the disease and thus fall into the category of "mild symptoms". Before they fell ill, 85 percent of these people were classified as healthy. One to several months after falling ill with covid-19, only 6 percent considered themselves healthy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/htzm0l/tidal_wave_of_longterm_covid19_patients_awaits/

[Splits]

Good thing kids can't get it

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[midnightpulp]

Good thing kids can't get it

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"But they don't really have any symptoms!"

See my above post about the long term effects Covid is having in many patients who had mild symptoms. It's insane to send kids back to school wholesale before any studies determining if they are at risk of suffering long term health issues.

[Splits]

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time flies

[TimDunkem]

McAllen, Texas, USA

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Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, ifr, bwahahaha, lolololol, set 2s at 45% skillz, etc, etc

[DarrinS]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z


"Here, we first studied T cell responses to structural (nucleocapsid protein, NP) and non-structural (NSP-7 and NSP13 of ORF1) regions of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 convalescents (n=36). In all of them we demonstrated the presence of CD4 and CD8 T cells recognizing multiple regions of the NP protein. We then showed that SARS-recovered patients (n=23) still possess long-lasting memory T cells reactive to SARS-NP 17 years after the 2003 outbreak, which displayed robust cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 NP. Surprisingly, we also frequently detected SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients (n=37)."

[midnightpulp]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z


"Here, we first studied T cell responses to structural (nucleocapsid protein, NP) and non-structural (NSP-7 and NSP13 of ORF1) regions of SARS-CoV-2 in COVID-19 convalescents (n=36). In all of them we demonstrated the presence of CD4 and CD8 T cells recognizing multiple regions of the NP protein. We then showed that SARS-recovered patients (n=23) still possess long-lasting memory T cells reactive to SARS-NP 17 years after the 2003 outbreak, which displayed robust cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 NP. Surprisingly, we also frequently detected SARS-CoV-2 specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients (n=37)."

I'm not really bullish anymore on that many people being naturally immune. Why? We inadvertently got a controlled study out of a Texas prison:


A North Texas federal prison has more than 1,000 inmates with COVID-19, one of whom has died from the virus, NBC News reports.

According to the report, the Federal Correctional Institute at Seagoville has 1,798 inmates total and at least 1,072 have tested positive for coronavirus.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/507931-1000-inmates-at-texas-federal-prison-test-positive-for-covid-19

This casts doubt on the theory that Covid naturally dies out when 20 percent of the population becomes infected, theory first proposed by Levitt. Now Covid can certainly die out at 20 percent infected if we employ proper mitigation. But the prison situation shows it doesn't just die out "naturally" regardless of mitigation or no mitigation.

I'm also not too crazy about willingly employing herd immunity due to this recent study.


From Italy came just disturbing news that many infected people who are not in the risk groups can be at great risk of never recovering from covid-19. In the Netherlands, a study was recently conducted on 1,622 covid-19 patients with long-term symptoms. The average age of these patients was 53 years and 91 percent of them had not needed hospital care during the course of the disease and thus fall into the category of "mild symptoms". Before they fell ill, 85 percent of these people were classified as healthy. One to several months after falling ill with covid-19, only 6 percent considered themselves healthy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/

[DarrinS]

Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, ifr, bwahahaha, lolololol, set 2s at 45% skillz, etc, etc

That video was posted in June and is a hospital in Mexico.

[DarrinS]

I'm not really bullish anymore on that many people being naturally immune. Why? We inadvertently got a controlled study out of a Texas prison:



https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/507931-1000-inmates-at-texas-federal-prison-test-positive-for-covid-19

This casts doubt on the theory that Covid naturally dies out when 20 percent of the population becomes infected, theory first proposed by Levitt. Now Covid can certainly die out at 20 percent infected if we employ proper mitigation. But the prison situation shows it doesn't just die out "naturally" regardless of mitigation or no mitigation.

I'm also not too crazy about willingly employing herd immunity due to this recent study.



https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/



If it doesn't fade with 20% infected, we should see resurgence of cases in NY, right?

[boutons_deux]

If it doesn't fade with 20% infected, we should see resurgence of cases in NY, right?

no, if NYC continues mask wearing and distancing.

NYC banned in-door dining, again, 2 weeks ago due to some resurgence.

[midnightpulp]

If it doesn't fade with 20% infected, we should see resurgence of cases in NY, right?

You're still missing the point. It CAN fade with 20 percent infected if there's post-mitigation. New York is nowhere near normal mobility.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/new-york

Combination of 20 percent infected plus closed down bars, churches, and other indoor public venues plus mask wearing and social distancing will go a long way. I'm arguing against the idea that it just goes away "naturally" after a certain threshold. The prison situation was a controlled environment and spread didn't stop at 20 percent.

[DarrinS]

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[tholdren]

You're still missing the point. It CAN fade with 20 percent infected if there's post-mitigation. New York is nowhere near normal mobility.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/new-york

Combination of 20 percent infected plus closed down bars, churches, and other indoor public venues plus mask wearing and social distancing will go a long way. I'm arguing against the idea that it just goes away "naturally" after a certain threshold. The prison situation was a controlled environment and spread didn't stop at 20 percent.

LololIooloi

[DarrinS]

You're still missing the point. It CAN fade with 20 percent infected if there's post-mitigation. New York is nowhere near normal mobility.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/new-york

Combination of 20 percent infected plus closed down bars, churches, and other indoor public venues plus mask wearing and social distancing will go a long way. I'm arguing against the idea that it just goes away "naturally" after a certain threshold. The prison situation was a controlled environment and spread didn't stop at 20 percent.


I don't think the prison is a good model, especially if they weren't catching cases early and quarantining individuals.

[midnightpulp]

I don't think the prison is a good model, especially if they weren't catching cases early and quarantining individuals.


THAT is mitigation. The prison is a great model because it shows Covid doesn't magically disappear at 20 percent infected because many people are "naturally immune."

What the prison situation reveals is that a city can't simply respond with, "Well, data shows we're at 20 percent infected. Open it all back up, tell people they don't have to wear masks, go ahead and crowd bars and movie theaters, it's over!"

Similar thing happens on this French ship. 1046 infected out of 1760 personnel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle

[baseline bum]

1284714317552717831

Good catch. Maybe I won't swim the river to safety lol.

[boutons_deux]

Good catch. Maybe I won't swim the river to safety lol.

see here for Mexico, disastrous, and increasing

https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/covid-19-tracker/?utm_campaign=hp_widget

[tholdren]

THAT is mitigation. The prison is a great model because it shows Covid doesn't magically disappear at 20 percent infected because many people are "naturally immune."

What the prison situation reveals is that a city can't simply respond with, "Well, data shows we're at 20 percent infected. Open it all back up, tell people they don't have to wear masks, go ahead and crowd bars and movie theaters, it's over!"

Similar thing happens on this French ship. 1046 infected out of 1760 personnel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle

bwahahahahahhahHa wrong

[DarrinS]

THAT is mitigation. The prison is a great model because it shows Covid doesn't magically disappear at 20 percent infected because many people are "naturally immune."

What the prison situation reveals is that a city can't simply respond with, "Well, data shows we're at 20 percent infected. Open it all back up, tell people they don't have to wear masks, go ahead and crowd bars and movie theaters, it's over!"

Similar thing happens on this French ship. 1046 infected out of 1760 personnel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Charles_de_Gaulle


The demographics of that prison didn't have much natural immunity. No children or women in that population. Not sure about the racial demographics, but probably not representative.

I would think the social dynamics of a prison or ship are way different than other communities. In a given day, I'm likely to encounter only a tiny fraction of people in my community. And I don't share A/C with hundreds of other people for hours on end.

[DMC]

Good thing kids can't get it

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Nice strawman parade

I've never read anywhere that kids cannot get it. To even think that would be retarded. It's like saying only homosexuals can get HIV. The ifr for infants is extremely low.

[DMC]

Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, ifr, bwahahaha, lolololol, set 2s at 45% skillz, etc, etc

idiot. You fuckers can be led around like sheep by anyone with an inkling as to your bias. Russian bots love fuckers like you

[DMC]

Good catch. Maybe I won't swim the river to safety lol.

I called it out right after it was posted. Demographics don't jive.

[midnightpulp]

The demographics of that prison didn't have much natural immunity. No children or women in that population. Not sure about the racial demographics, but probably not representative.

I would think the social dynamics of a prison or ship are way different than other communities. I'm a given day, I'm likely to encounter only a tiny fraction of people in my community. And I don't share A/C with hundreds of other people for hours on end.

Don't think the prison not having women or children means much. There's nothing to suggest they are more naturally immune. Seems you're conflating immunity with severity, and we do know children and women suffer less severe symptoms on average.

Sure, and this is why mitigation has to be made on community-by-community basis. A dense row of city blocks stacked with apartment buildings will have to mitigate differently than the suburbs. I'm challenging the "natural immunity" idea, that 20 percent is some universal target to shoot for. Back to my "dense city block" example. Neighborhoods in NY had as high as 68 percent prevalence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibodies.html

[DMC]

Not for IFR estimates, only for CFR estimates. The best current estimate we have for the actual number of Covid cases is 27 million of the population has been infected. This is about 7x higher than the official 3.8 million count.

https://covid19-projections.com/

I was being generous with my 20 million infected under age 65 because in New York about 40 percent of the infected were over 65. If we prorate that nationally, around 16 million infected under 65 so far, which would increase the IFR.

Based on your own link you're taking the lower range and questioning even that. The upper range of total infected is 37 million. I don't really see any method to your reasoning here. Why are you pulling numbers from sites like this then second guessing them?

It seems there are too many non-normal data projections being volleyed at the same time. Compare like data to like data. What is the ifr for estimated infections to estimated deaths? What is the ifr for known infections to known deaths? Now do the same for the flu. The problem is you cannot do that with the flu because the large majority never get tested. We may discover the same is true for COVID-19, but that will likely come with serology results, not PCR.

[midnightpulp]

Based on your own link you're taking the lower range and questioning even that. The upper range of total infected is 37 million. I don't really see any method to your reasoning here. Why are you pulling numbers from sites like this then second guessing them?

It seems there are too many non-normal data projections being volleyed at the same time. Compare like data to like data. What is the ifr for estimated infections to estimated deaths? What is the ifr for known infections to known deaths? Now do the same for the flu. The problem is you cannot do that with the flu because the large majority never get tested. We may discover the same is true for COVID-19, but that will likely come with serology results, not PCR.

CDC estimates the number of flu infections every season, and the range is indeed quite large. That's why I just use the mean.

I'm not second guessing Covidprojections. I just don't know what the nationwide estimate is of infections under-65 since Covidprojections doesn't age stratify. I used the New York data to guesstimate what might be the nationwide infection rate under-65.

In any event, the stat that cuts through all the other stats to definitively prove this is worse than the flu is excess ILI/Pneumonia deaths.

https://i.imgur.com/2cVEwsU.gif

And reminder, these are just deaths from pneumonia. We know Covid is more than a respiratory disease, causing clotting that can lead to sudden stroke, heart failure, and other complications. There's absolutely zero argument Covid is around as dangerous as the flu. It's much more dangerous.

[DMC]

CDC estimates the number of flu infections every season, and the range is indeed quite large. That's why I just use the mean.

I'm not second guessing Covidprojections. I just don't know what the nationwide estimate is of infections under-65 since Covidprojections doesn't age stratify. I used the New York data to guesstimate what might be the nationwide infection rate under-65.

In any event, the stat that cuts through all the other stats to definitively prove this is worse than the flu is excess ILI/Pneumonia deaths.

https://i.imgur.com/2cVEwsU.gif

And reminder, these are just deaths from pneumonia. We know Covid is more than a respiratory disease, causing clotting that can lead to sudden stroke, heart failure, and other complications. There's absolutely zero argument Covid is around as dangerous as the flu. It's much more dangerous.

https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_26/3392317/200624-dust-cloud-main-al-1006_9cfbfad153947d266e80cf138bd0c150.fit-2000w.gif

There are other things happening that can cause increases in pneumonia and respiratory distress.

Guesstimates often enlist bias, you turned to NY, the worst state in the US for results and used their data for an average. Look at the deaths per 1M in NY vs the southern states. It's not even in the same ballpark. We're talking 10x or better.

So just use like data with like data and accept your findings have an accuracy range without needing to average things and cherry pick state results to use for point making. That's all I'm saying. I appreciate the effort you're putting into this but I feel like you're trying to prove something instead of discover something.

[baseline bum]

I called it out right after it was posted. Demographics don't jive.

Didn't you say they were a bunch of negroes?

[tholdren]

CDC estimates the number of flu infections every season, and the range is indeed quite large. That's why I just use the mean.

I'm not second guessing Covidprojections. I just don't know what the nationwide estimate is of infections under-65 since Covidprojections doesn't age stratify. I used the New York data to guesstimate what might be the nationwide infection rate under-65.

In any event, the stat that cuts through all the other stats to definitively prove this is worse than the flu is excess ILI/Pneumonia deaths.

https://i.imgur.com/2cVEwsU.gif

And reminder, these are just deaths from pneumonia. We know Covid is more than a respiratory disease, causing clotting that can lead to sudden stroke, heart failure, and other complications. There's absolutely zero argument Covid is around as dangerous as the flu. It's much more dangerous.

lolol the ifr stratified for age show the difference.


Beahahahhahahahahahahgagahaha

Lolololol

[Blake]

1273384232493166600

time flies

ROCKING BY JULY!

[midnightpulp]

https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_26/3392317/200624-dust-cloud-main-al-1006_9cfbfad153947d266e80cf138bd0c150.fit-2000w.gif

There are other things happening that can cause increases in pneumonia and respiratory distress.

Guesstimates often enlist bias, you turned to NY, the worst state in the US for results and used their data for an average. Look at the deaths per 1M in NY vs the southern states. It's not even in the same ballpark. We're talking 10x or better.

So just use like data with like data and accept your findings have an accuracy range without needing to average things and cherry pick state results to use for point making. That's all I'm saying. I appreciate the effort you're putting into this but I feel like you're trying to prove something instead of discover something.

Not sure I buy that dust cloud drove up pneumonia deaths over twice their usual rate.

I actually didn't use NY to make a claim. I just said IF I were to prorate their case by age data to the entire US, it would tick the IFR up a bit higher, but even then, it wouldn't be significant, so this isn't a point worth splitting hairs over.

Many southern states are starting to progress into the 300 deaths per million territory, with a couple over 400. They will all likely reach 400 to 500 per mil, which is Italy territory. Remember when Italy was worst case and we all wanted to avoid it? I even though the Italy situation couldn't happen here. We also could eliminate New York and NJ entirely, and this would still be deadlier than any flu season since 1918. I've discovered this is more deadly than the flu. There's no data that illustrates otherwise.

[midnightpulp]

lolol the ifr stratified for age show the difference.


Beahahahhahahahahahahgagahaha

Lolololol

Asked and answered already.

You dumb? Per your own fuckin' data there has been 19,911 Covid deaths under age 65.

Per the CDC's flu mortality data I linked, there were 10,197 flu deaths under age 65.

Now let's calculate a rough IFR from these numbers.

10,197/38,856,875 cases under 65 = .00026 IFR

19,911/~20 million estimated infected under 65 (and I'm being very generous with that 20 million estimate) = .001 IFR

Covid is just a shade under 4x more lethal for the under 65 age group in total.

Quit lying. Quit gossiping. Wear a fuckin' mask and write Abbott to shutdown non-essential businesses.

[Blake]

That video was posted in June and is a hospital in Mexico.

So the video was staged?

[Blake]

Nice strawman parade

I've never read anywhere that kids cannot get it. To even think that would be retarded. It's like saying only homosexuals can get HIV. The ifr for infants is extremely low.

It's TSA's soapbox here. Be sure to tell him that when he pops back up with it

[tholdren]

Asked and answered already.
Bwahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaj ajajjajajajajaj

You dont know how to calculate ifr

[DMC]

Didn't you say they were a bunch of negroes?

Either that or really dark Hispanics. Didn't match the demographics of McAllen.

Also didn't seem to have HIPAA

[midnightpulp]

ifr

Sh:lolw your math

[tholdren]

Sh:lolw your math

bwahahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah quick use a calculator and Twitter for unbiased, and wrong , conclusions.

Midnightpulp takes lowball estimate flu and compares with over estimate of covid.

Nice work. Tell me more about the mean.


Loloool

[ChumpDumper]

bwahahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah quick use a calculator and Twitter for unbiased, and wrong , conclusions.

Midnightpulp takes lowball estimate flu and compares with over estimate of covid.

Nice work. Tell me more about the mean.


Lolooolf:lolldren folds

[midnightpulp]

bwahahahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah quick use a calculator and Twitter for unbiased, and wrong , conclusions.

Midnightpulp takes lowball estimate flu and compares with over estimate of covid.

Nice work. Tell me more about the mean.


Loloool

Yep. And mean isn't the lowball estimate. Now wear your fuckin' mask.

[DMC]

Not sure I buy that dust cloud drove up pneumonia deaths over twice their usual rate.

You give a guesstimate and I offer an alternative possibility. I don't need to prove dust did anything of the sort, but there's no reason to assign all excess pneumonia cases to COVID other than confirmation bias.

I don't know what the effects of dust would be, but it's just an example of other variables that are being unaccounted for during this witchhunt.


I actually didn't use NY to make a claim. I just said IF I were to prorate their case by age data to the entire US, it would tick the IFR up a bit higher, but even then, it wouldn't be significant, so this isn't a point worth splitting hairs over.

Just going by this: "I used the New York data to guesstimate what might be the nationwide infection rate under-65."

Why not take Montana? Why NY?


Many southern states are starting to progress into the 300 deaths per million territory, with a couple over 400. They will all likely reach 400 to 500 per mil, which is Italy territory. Remember when Italy was worst case and we all wanted to avoid it? I even though the Italy situation couldn't happen here. We also could eliminate New York and NJ entirely, and this would still be deadlier than any flu season since 1918. I've discovered this is more deadly than the flu. There's no data that illustrates otherwise.

Far cry from 1200 or more that NY and NJ (and a couple other states) are experiencing.

You haven't discovered anything of the sort because you don't have accurate flu numbers, neither does the CDC and they say so.

[tholdren]

Yep. And mean isn't the lowball estimate. Now wear your fuckin' mask.

LololIoo bwahahhahahahahahahahahhaah you dont even understand why your argument is wrong and mathematically inaccurate.

So you change subject to masks. Bwahahahahahahahahahhajajahajjajajajaj


Pwned

[tholdren]

At least midnightpulp tries to bring something to the table with the numbers. His math is as bad as RandomGuy but it's obvious he is actually looking for something. Too bad he doesn't understand math or bias.

[ChumpDumper]

At least midnightpulp tries to bring something to the table with the numbers. His math is as bad as RandomGuy but it's obvious he is actually looking for something. Too bad he doesn't understand math or bias.You don't do any math.

[DMC]

At least midnightpulp tries to bring something to the table with the numbers. His math is as bad as RandomGuy but it's obvious he is actually looking for something. Too bad he doesn't understand math or bias.

The issue is that human confirmation bias causes people to have a conclusion then set out to prove it. This is what drives their tendency to select one data source over another, mix data collection methods and cherry pick worst case scenarios to compare to best case scenarios. You can damn near prove any contention if you can select which data provider you want to use.

Without better data collection for influenza, it's hard to compare apples to apples. We know influenza kills a lot of people, but the numbers have always been basically an accepted part of life, and why we get the flu shot. People don't panic over it and question the data. They just accept it. This is why people scoff at the comparisons.

There was never a mandate to wear masks during flu season. Perhaps there should be if it saves lives and medical resources.

[midnightpulp]

You give a guesstimate and I offer an alternative possibility. I don't need to prove dust did anything of the sort, but there's no reason to assign all excess pneumonia cases to COVID other than confirmation bias.

I don't know what the effects of dust would be, but it's just an example of other variables that are being unaccounted for during this witchhunt.

Just going by this: "I used the New York data to guesstimate what might be the nationwide infection rate under-65."

Why not take Montana? Why NY?


Far cry from 1200 or more that NY and NJ (and a couple other states) are experiencing.

You haven't discovered anything of the sort because you don't have accurate flu numbers, neither does the CDC and they say so.


I was being generous with my 20 million infected under age 65 because in New York about 40 percent of the infected were over 65. If we prorate that nationally, around 16 million infected under 65 so far, which would increase the IFR.

I didn't change the IFR from my original 20 million estimate.

About the dust cloud. It didn't arrive until late June. The pneumonia deaths peaked around weeks 15-18 (late-March to early-May). Now if you want to make a claim the dust cloud has exacerbated the situation in FL, TX, AZ, and such, I'd like to see evidence of that. These dust clouds are nothing new, so there should be data available of their impact on respiratory illnesses.


Far cry from 1200 or more that NY and NJ (and a couple other states) are experiencing.

I don't think, "At least we're not New York" is a worthy goal to have.

Having incomplete numbers is still better than having no numbers, and you can indeed project from incomplete data, as the CDC does. Everything suggests Covid is more lethal than the flu. Not sure why that's hard to accept.

[tholdren]

People about to be in for crazy case hype with this

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-first-emergency-authorization-sample-pooling-diagnostic


Insanity will continue and here come the back logging of deaths, probable deaths being included as actually confirmed.

[tholdren]

I didn't change the IFR from my original 20 million estimate.

About the dust cloud. It didn't arrive until late June. The pneumonia deaths peaked around weeks 15-18 (late-March to early-May). Now if you want to make a claim the dust cloud has exacerbated the situation in FL, TX, AZ, and such, I'd like to see evidence of that. These dust clouds are nothing new, so there should be data available of their impact on respiratory illnesses.



I don't think, "At least we're not New York" is a worthy goal to have.

Having incomplete numbers is still better than having no numbers, and you can indeed project from incomplete data, as the CDC does. Everything suggests Covid is more lethal than the flu. Not sure why that's hard to accept.

bwahahahahahhahah bad data is worse than no data. Man you are really not effective with numbers. Which is why your calculations are terrible, just like RandomGuy

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't change the IFR from my original 20 million estimate.

About the dust cloud. It didn't arrive until late June. The pneumonia deaths peaked around weeks 15-18 (late-March to early-May). Now if you want to make a claim the dust cloud has exacerbated the situation in FL, TX, AZ, and such, I'd like to see evidence of that. These dust clouds are nothing new, so there should be data available of their impact on respiratory illnesses. No way in hell he'll do that.

[DMC]

People about to be in for crazy case hype with this

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-first-emergency-authorization-sample-pooling-diagnostic


Insanity will continue and here come the back logging of deaths, probable deaths being included as actually confirmed.

I posted about this a few days ago. Labs are doing it already, FDA clearance not required for LDTs.


Also consider the some lab are doing batch testing. They're mixing samples together up to 10 in a sample and if it's negative then they are all negative but if it's positive then individual samples will get a retest. These may get reported initially as all positives since they all tested positive. They will do this to preserve reagents and instrument time along with personnel of course. Man hours count.

[midnightpulp]

The issue is that human confirmation bias causes people to have a conclusion then set out to prove it. This is what drives their tendency to select one data source over another, mix data collection methods and cherry pick worst case scenarios to compare to best case scenarios. You can damn near prove any contention if you can select which data provider you want to use.

Without better data collection for influenza, it's hard to compare apples to apples. We know influenza kills a lot of people, but the numbers have always been basically an accepted part of life, and why we get the flu shot. People don't panic over it and question the data. They just accept it. This is why people scoff at the comparisons.

There was never a mandate to wear masks during flu season. Perhaps there should be if it saves lives and medical resources.

I'm actually using all the data available we have at the moment. Meanwhile, you're speculating about the accuracy of the numbers without any proof. They are "inaccurate" because you want them to be inaccurate because the current numbers we have don't fit the narrative that Covid is "just the flu."

And yes, I accept there's a wide range of flu cases and morality in the CDC's data, but we can use the upper bound and the morality rate is still lower. Also, you assume Covid cases are being overcounted, while there's more evidence they are being undercounted.

https://weinbergerlab.github.io/excess_pi_covid/

[midnightpulp]

bwahahahahahhahah bad data is worse than no data. Man you are really not effective with numbers. Which is why your calculations are terrible, just like RandomGuy

Incomplete data isn't bad data, you monumental moron. And many data sets for many things are "incomplete" but you can still make reasonable projections from them.

[vy65]

I'm not really bullish anymore on that many people being naturally immune. Why? We inadvertently got a controlled study out of a Texas prison:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/507931-1000-inmates-at-texas-federal-prison-test-positive-for-covid-19

This casts doubt on the theory that Covid naturally dies out when 20 percent of the population becomes infected, theory first proposed by Levitt. Now Covid can certainly die out at 20 percent infected if we employ proper mitigation. But the prison situation shows it doesn't just die out "naturally" regardless of mitigation or no mitigation.

I'm also not too crazy about willingly employing herd immunity due to this recent study.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...tients_awaits/

Not really the most diverse population, but nevertheless 726 (40%) are indicated as not having contracted it per those numbers.

[DMC]

I'm actually using all the data available we have at the moment. Meanwhile, you're speculating about the accuracy of the numbers without any proof. They are "inaccurate" because you want them to be inaccurate because the current numbers we have don't fit the narrative than Covid is "just the flu."

And yes, I accept there's a wide range of flu cases and morality in the CDC's data, but we can use the upper bound and the morality rate is still lower. Also, you assume Covid cases are being overcounted, while there's more evidence they are being undercounted.

https://weinbergerlab.github.io/excess_pi_covid/

No, by default they are inaccurate unless proven otherwise. There's only one "accurate" and an infinite amount of inaccurate, so by default the burden of proof is on the one claiming accuracy. This is how NIST works and how it's always worked. You'll never see a calibration label say "not proven inaccurate".

I don't assume COVID is being over-counted. I assumed it's under a magnifying glass that influenza isn't under. I challenge you to find information about influenza to the level we have on COVID.

[midnightpulp]

Not really the most diverse population, but nevertheless 726 (40%) are indicated as not having contracted it per those numbers.

Per the t-cell studies and whatnot, the natural immunity theory seems to be population agnostic. Anyone can have it. Yes, 40 percent not getting infected seems to jibe with the estimates that reach herd immunity you need to have 60-80 percent of the pop infected. But as I've said, we can control the herd immunity threshold with mitigation. This is why the anti-makers and other "Freedumbs" are preventing progress being made in this regard.

[tholdren]

Per the t-cell studies and whatnot, the natural immunity theory seems to be population agnostic. Anyone can have it. Yes, 40 percent not getting infected seems to jibe with the estimates that reach herd immunity you need to have 60-80 percent of the pop infected. But as I've said, we can control the herd immunity threshold with mitigation. This is why the anti-makers and other "Freedumbs" are preventing progress being made in this regard.

No masks required in many states and countries who have faired better than Texas with cases. Fact

[Will Hunting]

For those who care or are interested - 6 of the residents who tested positive are now dead, and 3 more are on hospice. I was hopeful the virus has mutated, but I’m not convinced anymore.

None of the other senior care centers we own have had any COVID, but once COVID gets inside an assisted living facility or nursing home, it spreads like wildfire and there’s only so much that can be done to stop it.
2 more dead residents, and the building now has more residents with COVID-19 than it does without. This is despite the building following all of the safety protocols and taking employee temperatures before each shift - state regulators have conducted numerous inspections and haven’t cited the building for anything wrong.

Getting prompt test results is everything. It only took ~3 weeks for this building to go from no COVID to a COVID bloodbath because of how quickly it spreads. It’s a complete myth that you can’t spread the virus if you’re asymptomatic. If states are taking 6 days to get people test results then we don’t stand a chance at containing this without a vaccine.

[midnightpulp]

No, by default they are inaccurate unless proven otherwise. There's only one "accurate" and an infinite amount of inaccurate, so by default the burden of proof is on the one claiming accuracy. This is how NIST works and how it's always worked. You'll never see a calibration label say "not proven inaccurate".

I don't assume COVID is being over-counted. I assumed it's under a magnifying glass that influenza isn't under. I challenge you to find information about influenza to the level we have on COVID.

The flu is under a magnifying glass by health professionals. It can get nasty some seasons and peak well above the epidemic threshold, as you saw. It needs to be under that magnifying glass so hospitals know how to prepare for flu season. It's just not under the magnifying glass in the media. The CDC has a pretty good estimate of the flu's infection and mortality. Again, we can take the upper bound and the flu is still significantly less dangerous than the current Covid situation, which, again, is likely being undercounted per the coincident rise of Covid deaths and excess deaths.

Furthermore, your demand of burden of proof for 100 percent accurate numbers in this case is unfair, because no data set on the flu or Covid is 100 percent accurate. There's simply confidence intervals, and we can make reasonable projections and inferences from those confidence intervals. And the projections suggest Covid is worse than the flu by at least a factor of 2.

[midnightpulp]

No masks required in many states and countries who have faired better than Texas with cases. Fact

Yeah, states with like 10 people. Wear your fuckin' mask.

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5eeb38f036b8620007076153/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

[midnightpulp]

2 more dead residents, and the building now has more residents with COVID-19 than it does without. This is despite the building following all of the safety protocols and taking employee temperatures before each shift - state regulators have conducted numerous inspections and haven’t cited the building for anything wrong.

Getting prompt test results is everything. It only took ~3 weeks for this building to go from no COVID to a COVID bloodbath because of how quickly it spreads. It’s a complete myth that you can’t spread the virus if you’re asymptomatic. If states are taking 6 days to get people test results then we don’t stand a chance at containing this without a vaccine.

Sad.

"But old people don't count! Back to work, wagie! My 401K is more important than an 80 year old drowning in their own fluids."

A culture that doesn't take care of its weakest members isn't worth a shit, imo.

[DMC]

2 more dead residents, and the building now has more residents with COVID-19 than it does without. This is despite the building following all of the safety protocols and taking employee temperatures before each shift - state regulators have conducted numerous inspections and haven’t cited the building for anything wrong.

Getting prompt test results is everything. It only took ~3 weeks for this building to go from no COVID to a COVID bloodbath because of how quickly it spreads. It’s a complete myth that you can’t spread the virus if you’re asymptomatic. If states are taking 6 days to get people test results then we don’t stand a chance at containing this without a vaccine.

The cycle time for testing is mostly in sample collection and delivery. Mobile testing units should be available that can strategically be positioned at high risk areas (high risk meaning repercussions from infection, not just infection). A friend works for the Missouri Dept of Corrections juvenile rehab stuff.. they transfer people between units sans testing, and spread the virus that way. Until the virus gets treated like contraband, it won't be caught in time to prevent sharing.

[ChumpDumper]

No masks required in many states and countries who have faired better than Texas with cases. FactDo you wear a mask?

[Will Hunting]

One of Dick Cheney’s famous quotes was (maybe paraphrased) if there’s even a 1% chance of a terrorist attack, we should prepare for it as if it’s an absolute certainty.

I don’t understand why conservatives agree with this quote but won’t apply the same logic to facemasks. If there’s even a small chance that wearing a face mask can reduce the spread of coronavirus, why can’t you just fucking wear one?

[Will Hunting]

The cycle time for testing is mostly in sample collection and delivery. Mobile testing units should be available that can strategically be positioned at high risk areas (high risk meaning repercussions from infection, not just infection). A friend works for the Missouri Dept of Corrections juvenile rehab stuff.. they transfer people between units sans testing, and spread the virus that way. Until the virus gets treated like contraband, it won't be caught in time to prevent sharing.
Couldn’t agree more. We should have mobile testing units set up across the country. It kills two birds with one stone as it’s needed for contact tracing and thousands of mobile testing sites across the country puts a lot of people back to work until this is over.

Nursing homes and assisted living centers should also just have weekly testing for all residents and employees at this point.

[tholdren]

Do you wear a mask?

Every time I go into public

[DMC]

Sad.

"But old people don't count! Back to work, wagie! My 401K is more important than an 80 year old drowning in their own fluids."

A culture that doesn't take care of its weakest members isn't worth a shit, imo.

When did assisted care living facilities ever require hand washing and face masks prior to entry of family? Never that I recall, and yet influenza kills a lot of the elderly - same fluid in lungs. It's not an indictment of care homes, it's an indictment of hygiene practices and the status quo that these elderly will die soon anyhow. That hasn't changed with COVID, novel virus, not novel concept.

[tholdren]

Sad.

"But old people don't count! Back to work, wagie! My 401K is more important than an 80 year old drowning in their own fluids."

A culture that doesn't take care of its weakest members isn't worth a shit, imo.

Terrible argument

[midnightpulp]

One of Dick Cheney’s famous quotes was (maybe paraphrased) if there’s even a 1% chance of a terrorist attack, we should prepare for it as if it’s an absolute certainty.

I don’t understand why conservatives agree with this quote but won’t apply the same logic to facemasks. If there’s even a small chance that wearing a face mask can reduce the risk of coronavirus, why can’t you just fucking wear one?

You know, I hate playing the race card, but that's what this is. Fueled by racism. Preparing ourselves against the remote possibility of a terrorist attack means either preemptive strikes against brown goat herders, restricting immigration to brown goat herders, and other such measures. Conservatives don't mind being inconvenienced with shit like the Patriot Act if they believe it'll keep them safe from brown people. The resistance against masks is obviously because they see masks as a "liberal thing" and their peanut brains are wired to reflexively resist anything that they perceive as liberal.

[DMC]

Couldn’t agree more. We should have mobile testing units set up across the country. It kills two birds with one stone as it’s needed for contact tracing and thousands of mobile testing sites across the country puts a lot of people back to work until this is over.

Nursing homes and assisted living centers should also just have weekly testing for all residents and employees at this point.

It's not hard to set up but requires an initial investment. Hospitals won't do it, the return is low if any. FEMA should be doing it but they cannot get their shit together and agree on a method since competing interests means different providers need to bid. It would take years.

[midnightpulp]

Terrible argument

So you agree an 80 year having a few more years of life is more important than losing a few grand on your 401K or other market investments?

Finally we agree on something. Yes, not protecting the vulnerable in service of the market is a terrible thing.

[ChumpDumper]

Every time I go into publicWhy?

[boutons_deux]

The Trash-Made Pandemic now in July delivering TWICE the daily cases/million compared to March/April

Heckuva job, Donnie

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~FRA~DEU~CAN~ITA~JPN~NOR~FIN~DNK~CHE~ES P~AUT&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc (https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~FRA~DEU~CAN~ITA~JPN~NOR~FIN~DNK~CHE~ES P~AUT&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc)

[tholdren]

So you agree an 80 year having a few more years of life is more important than losing a few grand on your 401K or other market investments?

Finally we agree on something. Yes, not protecting the vulnerable in service of the market is a terrible thing.

I didn't say that.

[DMC]

One of Dick Cheney’s famous quotes was (maybe paraphrased) if there’s even a 1% chance of a terrorist attack, we should prepare for it as if it’s an absolute certainty.

I don’t understand why conservatives agree with this quote but won’t apply the same logic to facemasks. If there’s even a small chance that wearing a face mask can reduce the spread of coronavirus, why can’t you just fucking wear one?

Most conservatives I know agree with this. The fringe lunatics aren't representative of the mean. I carry masks and gloves, and hand sanitizer in my car. I put on a mask even at a drive through window, as well as gloves when handing my credit card. I feel much of it is a placebo but even a placebo isn't without merit.

[tholdren]

Why?

Its mandatory

[Will Hunting]

The resistance against masks is obviously because they see masks as a "liberal thing" and their peanut brains are wired to reflexively resist anything that they perceive as liberal.
I think this is it more than anything else, not sure if it’s really race related. The lot of them that are bible thumpers also see the world in an oversimplified view of “good vs evil” because that’s how the Bible portrays things. Bible thumpers are quick to downplay things like global warming and COVID-19 because there isn’t a face of evil to associate those threats with like there is with terrorism.

[midnightpulp]

I didn't say that.

Well you should've said that. Because the contrary opinion of that is terrible.

So I take it you're with Dan Patrick that grandma should die for out house of cards economy?

[ChumpDumper]

Its mandatoryYou're just afraid of punishment?

[DMC]

You're just afraid of punishment?

Do you think law abiding citizens are that way out of fear?

[boutons_deux]

The USA pandemic is now TWICE as severe as it was in March/April when schools were closed,

but Trash/Repugs/Devos are extorting schools to re-open?

Public school teachers, save yourselves, because Trash/Repugs don't give the tiniest shit about you.

They don't fucking care about you, never have, never will.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think law abiding citizens are that way out of fear?About many laws, sure.

Do you wear a mask you think is just a placebo?

[tholdren]

You're just afraid of punishment?

Versus getting or spreading a virus? Yes

[ChumpDumper]

Do you think law abiding citizens are that way out of fear?


Yes:lol

Do you wear your placebo mask, DMC?

[tholdren]

:lol

Do you wear your placebo mask, DMC?

so you mashed 2 quotes together out of context that really said people wear masks from fear and not science.

Okey dokey.

[midnightpulp]

Most conservatives I know agree with this. The fringe lunatics aren't representative of the mean. I carry masks and gloves, and hand sanitizer in my car. I put on a mask even at a drive through window, as well as gloves when handing my credit card. I feel much of it is a placebo but even a placebo isn't without merit.

Dunno, man. It seems reasonable conservatives are on the fringe now. Trumpism has seemed to totally take over the party's platform. You can say I need to stop viewing the world through social media or whatever, but why do 40 percent still approve of this fuck? He has been a dumpster fire by every measures and the constant lie after lie after lie are just hard to stomach.

Biden is actually rather moderate. Many progressives are holding their nose, really. He ain't gonna take away the guns. He isn't going to abolish the police. His tax increases won't put any millionaires in the poor house. We'll also need tax increases to pay for all the covid response. He is actually against single payer healthcare. So I'm unsure why conservatives would continue to side Trump when Biden is a fairly safe choice? He isn't AOC, the conservative Boogeygirl.

[ChumpDumper]

so you mashed 2 quotes together out of context that really said people wear masks from fear and not science.

Okey dokey.No, I'm using you as an example since you said you wear the mask out of fear of being punished.

[Will Hunting]

Most conservatives I know agree with this. The fringe lunatics aren't representative of the mean. I carry masks and gloves, and hand sanitizer in my car. I put on a mask even at a drive through window, as well as gloves when handing my credit card. I feel much of it is a placebo but even a placebo isn't without merit.
It would be helpful if DJT would make an unqualified public statement endorsing it instead of hemming and hawing. The fringe element is the group that listens to him the most, his refusal to outright tell people to wear facemasks is driven by stubbornness/a fixation with “triggering da libs!”

I also think that government at all levels needs to lead on this for it to be effective. When a city lifts restrictions and allows nightclubs to open up w/o mask requirements, I can’t fault people (liberal or conservative) who see that and interpret it as a green light to go maskless. Similarly, when Brian Kemp signs an order making it so local municipalities can’t require facemasks, it’d be naive to think that won’t lead to some Georgians believing they shouldn’t wear a mask.

[DMC]

About many laws, sure.

Do you wear a mask you think is just a placebo?

Yes because it makes other feel safe and that has value to me.

Which laws do you think people only obey out of fear?

Do you think then that deterrence based on severity of punishment is effective? If so, are you for capital punishment?

[ChumpDumper]

Yes because it makes other feel safe and that has value to me.:lol So how long do you plan on wearing it?


Which laws do you think people only obey out of fear? Many speed limits, for example.

They would likely drive much faster than the speed limit if they didn't think the potential for punishment was there.


Do you think then that deterrence based on severity of punishment is effective?
In many cases, sure. Singapore is pretty clear. Doesn't mean I want litterbugs fined as much here.

If so, are you for capital punishment?
No, since you can't resurrect a person if there is an error.

[DMC]

:lol

Many speed limits, for example.

So traffic laws. Why didn't you say "mask laws"?

[Will Hunting]

Dunno, man. It seems reasonable conservatives are on the fringe now. Trumpism has seemed to totally take over the party's platform. You can say I need to stop viewing the world through social media or whatever, but why do 40 percent still approve of this fuck? He has been a dumpster fire by every measures and the constant lie after lie after lie are just hard to stomach.

Biden is actually rather moderate. Many progressives are holding their nose, really. He ain't gonna take away the guns. He isn't going to abolish the police. His tax increases won't put any millionaires in the poor house. We'll also need tax increases to pay for all the covid response. He is actually against single payer healthcare. So I'm unsure why conservatives would continue to side Trump when Biden is a fairly safe choice? He isn't AOC, the conservative Boogeygirl.
Yeah Karens who are pissing and moaning about going without masks don’t seem fringe to me. They seem like upper middle class housewives. I’m sure they’re shallow people I’d want to murder with a rusty hatchet if I had a conservation with them, but not fringe.

To your point, GWB’s approval rating dipped to 25% in 2008 because of a global financial crisis that had been in the making since the 1980s (GWB certainly shoulders some blame for it but Alan Greenspan is still the architect of the financial crisis imo). Rignt now the country is in equally as much disarray as it was in 2008 almost solely due to a public health crisis that every modern country other than Murica has gotten under control by now, but DJT’s approval rating won’t go below 40%. Why exactly would that 15% give the benefit of the doubt to Trump and not GWB? It makes no sense.

[DMC]

Dunno, man. It seems reasonable conservatives are on the fringe now. Trumpism has seemed to totally take over the party's platform. You can say I need to stop viewing the world through social media or whatever, but why do 40 percent still approve of this fuck? He has been a dumpster fire by every measures and the constant lie after lie after lie are just hard to stomach.

Biden is actually rather moderate. Many progressives are holding their nose, really. He ain't gonna take away the guns. He isn't going to abolish the police. His tax increases won't put any millionaires in the poor house. We'll also need tax increases to pay for all the covid response. He is actually against single payer healthcare. So I'm unsure why conservatives would continue to side Trump when Biden is a fairly safe choice? He isn't AOC, the conservative Boogeygirl.

So it's returned to November.

[ChumpDumper]

So traffic laws. Why didn't you say "mask laws"?Because th:lolldren just admitted it for masks.

See my edits above.

[Blake]

One of Dick Cheney’s famous quotes was (maybe paraphrased) if there’s even a 1% chance of a terrorist attack, we should prepare for it as if it’s an absolute certainty.

I don’t understand why conservatives agree with this quote but won’t apply the same logic to facemasks. If there’s even a small chance that wearing a face mask can reduce the spread of coronavirus, why can’t you just fucking wear one?

Because they wear the armor of Christ