Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Winehole23]

Trump said a vaccine might be ready in a few weeks, red team sure is gullible.

[Winehole23]

Seriously how are you people looking at China, Korea, Italy, Iran and thinking they're so much better than us?I didn't say any of those countries was better than us, just that some countries seem to have some idea what to do, you know, like they were somewhat prepared.

The US response seems haphazard, politically directed, and somewhat improvised.

It needn't have been.

[picnroll]

China seems to have things under control by means of massive monitoring and lockdown, intrusive but working. Italy is now implementing a lesser form of quarantine. USA nothing. Trump doesn't want the perception of a problem that would damage the economy. He and we will likely pay the price. The worst person in the world to have in control in a serious crisis.

[Winehole23]

CDC test is 95%+ accurate. WHO test 75%

lol thinking the UN is the bestestSo why isn't the CDC test being used?

[Winehole23]

Please share your sources, SnakeBoy, you seem so knowledgeable.

[SnakeBoy]

I didn't say any of those countries was better than us, just that some countries seem to have some idea what to do, you know, like they were somewhat prepared.

The US response seems haphazard, politically directed, and somewhat improvised.

It needn't have been.

All of those countries have gone into complete panic mode. Just randomly spraying the streets with disinfectants. Well maybe except Iran where they are spreading it on purpose to prove they ain't scared of no virus.

Would you like a military blockade of Seattle. Or maybe Australia's plan of filling up stadiums with infected.

[SnakeBoy]

Please share your sources, SnakeBoy, you seem so knowledgeable.

I'm not Blake, no wife sharing.

[Winehole23]

I'm not Blake, no wife sharing.
Won't back up your own stats and claimed facts, are you ashamed of your sources?

[SnakeBoy]

Won't back up your own stats and claimed facts, are you ashamed of your sources?

You were too busy jerking off to impeachment while all this was developing. Now your freaking out lol

[baseline bum]

I was watching Japanese TV, and they really want to sweep this shit under the rug so as to not lose the Olympics. Talking about how there are only 1000 cases and it's no big deal, and the IOC saying if the Tokyo Olympics were scheduled today they'd absolutely be held.

[hater]

You were too busy jerking off to impeachment while all this was developing. Now your freaking out lol

i would like to see source of that pls?

about the cdcd vs who tests

[DarrinS]

Whinehole impressed with the ChiComms authoritarian quarantine system that failed. :lmao

[DarrinS]

How about not having open air food courts festering with pathogens? :lmao

[Winehole23]

Whinehole impressed with the ChiComms authoritarian quarantine system that failed. :lmaoI didn't say anything about China, tbh.

I did mention S Korea and Italy.

[DarrinS]

Meanwhile, Iranians are wiping their asses with their hands and licking walls of holy cites. :lmao

[DarrinS]

At least we're not the epicenter of this shit like we were in 2009.

[SnakeBoy]

I did mention S Korea and Italy.

Look how orderly the Koreans are waiting for their masks that don't do anything. Why can't we be like them :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=clZzEhTZOV0&feature=emb_logo

[Winehole23]

You were too busy jerking off to impeachment while all this was developing. Now your freaking out lol
You have quite the imagination, from the beginning I said impeachment was a tactical mistake and politically non-viable.

That assessment never changed.

I didn't hear you tooting your horn about COVID-19 a month or two back, so I won't it take too hard that I wasn't alive to it either, back when it wasn't too well known how bad it might be.

[SnakeBoy]

i would like to see source of that pls?

about the cdcd vs who tests

I don't have a link

[Winehole23]

I don't have a link
Made it up?

Heard it on cable TV or Rush?

[Winehole23]

Anyway, the question shouldn't be what was I posting about two months ago, it should be wtf was Trump doing about it. Surely our government was aware, ramping up to one tenth the testing capacity of S Korea weeks later was the best Trump could do?

Weak.

[DarrinS]

Anyway, the question shouldn't be what was I posting about two months ago, it should be wtf was Trump doing about it. Surely our government was aware, ramping up to one tenth the testing capacity of S Korea weeks later was the best Trump could do?

Weak.



drumpf gonna get us all killed. :cry

[Winehole23]

Look how orderly the Koreans are waiting for their masks that don't do anything. Why can't we be like them :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=clZzEhTZOV0&feature=emb_logo
Testing is pretty important.

[SnakeBoy]

I didn't hear you tooting your horn about COVID-19 a month or two back, so I won't it take too hard that I wasn't alive to it either, back when it wasn't too well known how bad it might be.

My posts are in Hater's thread. The one you are now posting in


I was wrong. New numbers now have it increasing at same rate.

WW7 tbh

hater called it

[Winehole23]

drumpf gonna get us all killed. :cryThere will be excess death due to lack of preparedness,you can be sure

Not that you care, it just a bunch of old people, sick people, homeless people, babies and others of dubious social worth who die, right?

[phxspurfan]

Seriously how are you people looking at China, Korea, Italy, Iran and thinking they're so much better than us?

China had SARS, tbh. Even if CDC had the public health studies/top university grads lead, they sure as hell had a reason to catch up in that department. Plus they are proud af. No way they didn't have a crazy ass plan like the one they enacted swiftly. If we closed down Seattle or whatever people would be up in arms here. Much less exposed the amount of government surveillence needed to go door to door testing 2 weeks worth of contacts for each infected person.


Now if they could only stop eating the fucking bats. Their Achilles Heel, if you will :lol

[Winehole23]

My posts are in Hater's thread. The one you are now posting inNo worries, I guess you didn't see my posts either. I acknowledged it could be serious on page one.

[phxspurfan]

I didn't say any of those countries was better than us, just that some countries seem to have some idea what to do, you know, like they were somewhat prepared.

The US response seems haphazard, politically directed, and somewhat improvised.

It needn't have been.

Exposes our governmental agencies lack of leadership/leaders appointed by presidents with political interests/leaders with no history in the field. Also, see how our intel/military leaders were warned by multiple groups (Russia, etc) before 9/11 and still we lost so much life here. Then the response was to force people to take off belts and shoes at TSA checkpoints. And go claim oil patches for Cheney / set up McDOnalds in Iraq, when everyone knew OBL was long gone.

[DarrinS]

There will be excess death due to lack of preparedness,you can be sure

Not that you care, it just a bunch of old people, sick people, homeless people, babies and others of dubious social worth who die, right?


Virtue signal harder.

[Winehole23]

Virtue signal harder.
It's not just virtue signalling to point out more people will die because we were and still are unprepared. At some point it wil be a fact. Public policy has life and death ramifications.

Don't know why you neg virtue signalling, you do little else.

[baseline bum]

Look how orderly the Koreans are waiting for their masks that don't do anything. Why can't we be like them :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=clZzEhTZOV0&feature=emb_logo

The fuck? :cry But those masks you recommended me from Amazon are coming tomorrow :cry

[DarrinS]

Exposes our governmental agencies lack of leadership/leaders appointed by presidents with political interests/leaders with no history in the field.

Any specific people you want to list?

[SnakeBoy]

No worries, I guess you didn't see my posts either. I acknowledged it could be serious on page one.

Yet now you're freaking out?

Really think your just pretending

cuz Trump

[SnakeBoy]

The fuck? :cry But those masks you recommended me from Amazon are coming tomorrow :cry

:lol

[phxspurfan]

Any specific people you want to list?

two off the top of my head with questionable histories, appointed as political favors:

Benjamin Solomon Carson Sr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson). (born September 18, 1951) is an American politician, author and former neurosurgeon serving as the 17th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development since 2017, under the Trump Administration.

Elisabeth Dee DeVos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_DeVos) (/dəˈvɒs/; née Prince; born January 8, 1958) is the 11th and current United States Secretary of Education since 2017 (...) DeVos is married to Dick DeVos, the former CEO of the multi-level marketing company Amway, and is the daughter-in-law of Amway's billionaire co-founder, Richard DeVos


One as an obvious political favor, then ousted when he showed some backbone (one of the only first appointees I thought was decent):

Rex Wayne Tillerson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Tillerson) (born March 23, 1952) is an American engineer and energy executive who served as the 69th United States Secretary of State from February 1, 2017, to March 31, 2018, under President Donald Trump


Honorable mention, one of the very best nominated by Trump, then ousted because he showed an opinion of his own. One of the best Secretaries of Defense I've ever seen nominated (based on history). Sad he's gone/we are less safe in his absence:

James Norman Mattis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Mattis) (born September 8, 1950) is an American veteran and former government official who served as the 26th United States Secretary of Defense from January 2017 through January 2019. A retired United States Marine Corps general, Mattis served in the Persian Gulf War, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraq War.

Mattis was commissioned in the Marine Corps through the Naval Reserve Officers' Training Corps after graduating from Central Washington University. A career Marine, he gained a reputation among his peers for "intellectualism", and eventually advanced to the rank of general. From 2007 to 2010 he commanded the United States Joint Forces Command and concurrently served as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Transformation. He was Commander of United States Central Command from 2010 to 2013 with Admiral Bob Harward serving as his Deputy Commander. After retiring from the military, he served in several private sector roles, including as a board member of Theranos.[4]

Mattis was nominated as Secretary of Defense by President-elect Donald Trump, and confirmed by the Senate on January 20, 2017

[phxspurfan]

:lol

you're not gonna need a mask unless you yourself get sick my dude. Many have died while wearing this PPE.

[hater]

I don't have a link

ok thanks

so CDCs test is not much better than WHO

[DarrinS]

two off the top of my head with questionable histories, appointed as political favors:

Benjamin Solomon Carson Sr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson). (born September 18, 1951) is an American politician, author and former neurosurgeon serving as the 17th United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development since 2017, under the Trump Administration.

Elisabeth Dee DeVos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_DeVos) (/dəˈvɒs/; née Prince; born January 8, 1958) is the 11th and current United States Secretary of Education since 2017 (...) DeVos is married to Dick DeVos, the former CEO of the multi-level marketing company Amway, and is the daughter-in-law of Amway's billionaire co-founder, Richard DeVos


One as an obvious political favor, then ousted when he showed some backbone (one of the only first appointees I thought was decent):

Rex Wayne Tillerson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Tillerson) (born March 23, 1952) is an American engineer and energy executive who served as the 69th United States Secretary of State from February 1, 2017, to March 31, 2018, under President Donald Trump



Any that would relate to the issue at hand? I realize that Carson is a neurosurgeon.

[DarrinS]

Any that would relate to the issue at hand? I realize that Carson is a neurosurgeon.

And why did you list Mattis? Wtf?

[hater]

WW7 :wow


shit got fucking real :wow

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1235223925778415616?s=21

[Winehole23]

Yet now you're freaking out?

Really think your just pretending

cuz TrumpNot freaking out, just discussing as we do.

[ElNono]

Seriously how are you people looking at China, Korea, Italy, Iran and thinking they're so much better than us?

:lol why wouldn't they be? Plenty of medical R&D outside the US. Or just flat out copies from China. Heck, most of our bio gear is made there.

[Winehole23]

Yet now you're freaking out?

Really think your just pretending

cuz TrumpIf Obama were slow rolling a pandemic response just to save face, I bet you'd have a criticism or two.

Criticism=/= freaking out.

Pointing out that policy has life and death implications isn't freaking out, it's in fact a commonplace.

[SnakeBoy]

Not freaking out, just discussing as we do.

Well your certainly focusing on testing cuz Trump

When we already know why the CDC is weeks behind and it has nothing to do with Trump or our govt in general

[SnakeBoy]

:lol why wouldn't they be? Plenty of medical R&D outside the US. Or just flat out copies from China. Heck, most of our bio gear is made there.

I'm talking about response. Winehole seems to want mass quarantines of cities & towns like China and Italy have done even though that clearly does not work.

[ElNono]

When we already know why the CDC is weeks behind and it has nothing to do with Trump or our govt in general

I don't think it has to do with Trump, but I do think *some* of it has to do with Congress passing that massive money package.

We'll see how much insurance cos decide to charge for it regardless.

[Winehole23]

Well your certainly focusing on testing cuz Trump

When we already know why the CDC is weeks behind and it has nothing to do with Trump or our govt in generalWhy is the CDC behind?

Seems to me Trump gutting NSC pandemic preparedness, and cutting the budget of the CDC and NIH might not have been opportune, but I guess we differ on that.

You seem to be allergic to any criticism of the great man whatsoever.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't think it has to do with Trump, but I do think *some* of it has to do with Congress passing that massive money package.

We'll see how much insurance cos decide to charge for it regardless.

No, the CDC just fucked up. Dr. Messonier admitted it and apologized weeks ago when they were still doing biweekly press conferences. It's still posted on their website


The U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services declared the SARS-CoV-2 virus a U.S. public health emergency on Friday, January 31, 2020. FDA issued the EUA on February 4, 2020. IRR began distribution of the test kits to states, but shortly thereafter performance issues were identified related to a problem in the manufacturing of one of the reagents which led to laboratories not being able to verify the test performance. CDC is remanufacturing the reagents with more robust quality control measures. New tests will be distributed once this issue has been addressed. CDC continues to perform initial and confirmatory testing.

Stated in the press briefing today, the test is considered an essential test which means insurance, medicare, medicaid are all required to fully cover it. Those christian sharing plans maybe not, depnds on what Jesus says.

Anyways, as I said soon the test will be available to any physician to order. Get ready for the confirmed count to skyrocket, not that it makes any difference except adding to the panic factor.

[SnakeBoy]

Why is the CDC behind?


See previous post. Why are you behind :lol

[SnakeBoy]

You seem to be allergic to any criticism of the great man whatsoever.

There so much to criticize him for. A virus from China ain't one of them though. The bug got out, it can't be stopped by Democrat or Republican. As I've been saying.

[Winehole23]

I'm talking about response. Winehole seems to want mass quarantines of cities & towns like China and Italy have done even though that clearly does not work.I don't know what measures would be appropriate.

I do know it's not appropriate to tell the American people a vaccine is a few weeks away, that anyone who needs one can get tested this Friday, and that it's probably ok to go to work if you're symptomatic, because COVID-19 is no different from the seasonal flu this year.

[Winehole23]

See previous post. Why are you behind :lolI wasn't.

Your reply followed my question, but go ahead, spike the football because your answer came after my question.

:lol

[Winehole23]

There so much to criticize him for. A virus from China ain't one of them though. The bug got out, it can't be stopped by Democrat or Republican. As I've been saying."We tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.

Besides, it wouldn't do any good."

[SnakeBoy]

I don't know what measures would be appropriate.

I do know it's not appropriate to tell the American people a vaccine is a few weeks away, that anyone who needs one can get tested this Friday, and that it's probably ok to go to work if you're symptomatic, because COVID-19 is no different from the seasonal flu this year.

but Trump

[pgardn]

There so much to criticize him for. A virus from China ain't one of them though. The bug got out, it can't be stopped by Democrat or Republican. As I've been saying.

Trump should shut his mouth on the entire subject.
We finally get to something you have a clue about but say nothing about the fact our president is an idiot because he wont read or listen to anyone who actually understands this virus and the spread; he is not responsible for the virus, but the idiot can clearly exacerbate panic.

[SnakeBoy]

I wasn't.

Your reply followed my question, but go ahead, spike the football because your answer came after my question.

:lol

I meant why are you behind on what happened with the CDC test weeks ago. You're so concerned about testing like that's going to stop a virus.

[SnakeBoy]

but the idiot can clearly exacerbate panic.

Italy is attacking asians in the streets. Ukraine rioting to stop Ukrainians from coming home. Americans buying lots of purell.

Panic is relative I guess.

[Winehole23]

but Trumphas you to excuse everything.

[DarrinS]

If you want 24/7 vitriolic hyperbolic coverage of the pandemic, tune into CNN.

Playing in an empty airport near you.

[pgardn]

Italy is attacking asians in the streets. Ukraine rioting to stop Ukrainians from coming home. Americans buying lots of purell.

Panic is relative I guess.

WE need TRUMP to shut the fck up on this subject.
Period.

This is pretty similar to how the idiot reacts to all kinds of problems that are NOT easy.
He pretends like he understand them and enacts and blurts out all kinds of stupid things.
He reads nothing, asks advice from people who know nothing, hires people who know nothing...
And this is our president, the wise calming influence.

And people will vote for this fool again.

[Winehole23]

I meant why are you behind on what happened with the CDC test weeks ago. You're so concerned about testing like that's going to stop a virus.Containment clearly isn't an option, but pretending like testing has zero effect on outcomes is dishonest if not evil.

[ElNono]

No, the CDC just fucked up. Dr. Messonier admitted it and apologized weeks ago when they were still doing biweekly press conferences. It's still posted on their website

Stated in the press briefing today, the test is considered an essential test which means insurance, medicare, medicaid are all required to fully cover it. Those christian sharing plans maybe not, depnds on what Jesus says.

Anyways, as I said soon the test will be available to any physician to order. Get ready for the confirmed count to skyrocket, not that it makes any difference except adding to the panic factor.

I read about the contaminated lab a week or so ago, yeah.

I do disagree that it doesn't matter. I mean, I get that some people will try to ankle-bite politically with this shit, but from a strict medical and planning standpoint it is important to know the scope of the problem locally.

It's just like any other problem, it's simply stupid to make decisions if you're not fully informed.

[pgardn]

I meant why are you behind on what happened with the CDC test weeks ago. You're so concerned about testing like that's going to stop a virus.

uhmmm

The more data we get the better we understand how to handle the next one.
Epidemiologists are sick of having to model so much stuff because of lack of data.

[ElNono]

In before the obvious joke about this administration having great experience in keeping people in isolation and separating them from their children...

[DarrinS]

This is just going to be another virus we throw on the list of known viruses we will have to deal with going forward. It's contagious, but doesn't appear to be very deadly, unless you're old and sick. No fatalities under 10 y.o.

[ElNono]

Also, in before the first illegal immigrant carrying the virus is found and suddenly, containment good ;)

[pgardn]

In before the obvious joke about this administration having great experience in keeping people in isolation and separating them from their children...

Delightful.

It must be such a thrill sequestering people.
Lets just make sure its squalid enough.

[DarrinS]

uhmmm

The more data we get the better we understand how to handle the next one.
Epidemiologists are sick of having to model so much stuff because of lack of data.


We have a ton of data. What data prepares you from something never seen before.

[DarrinS]

Also, in before the first illegal immigrant carrying the virus is found and suddenly, containment good ;)


We'd probably have a ton more cases if not for strict travel restrictions implemented a month ago.

[ElNono]

This is just going to be another virus we throw on the list of known viruses we will have to deal with going forward. It's contagious, but doesn't appear to be very deadly, unless you're old and sick. No fatalities under 10 y.o.

Would be nice if we had a vaccine already, until then, being careful doesn't hurt... and lol @ no fatalities under 10, but only dangerous if you're old and sick.

[ElNono]

We'd probably have a ton more cases if not for strict travel restrictions implemented a month ago.

can't stop travel if you can't catch em

[Winehole23]

We'd probably have a ton more cases if not for strict travel restrictions implemented a month ago.Which countries did that include?

[Winehole23]

Oh, Iran.

[ElNono]

We're basically in the "gun control good", but "bad guys don't care about gun control" area here.

[pgardn]

We have a ton of data. What data prepares you from something never seen before.

The more tests we run the better idea we have of the TRUE number of people that are infected therefore can follow the outcome.
NO we dont have a ton of data because we have to computer model the spread, etc...
People who have to do health care work by having people filling out surveys have to put so much unknown into programs its ridiculous.
I cant say anything more than you are wrong.

[DarrinS]

Would be nice if we had a vaccine already, until then, being careful doesn't hurt... and lol @ no fatalities under 10, but only dangerous if you're old and sick.


It was the opposite with h1n1. The elderly were low risk, and young people and kids were highest.


To me, it's worse when the kids are at risk.

[DarrinS]

The more tests we run the better idea we have of the TRUE number of people that are infected therefore can follow the outcome.
NO we dont have a ton of data because we have to computer model the spread, etc...
People who have to do health care work by having people filling out surveys have to put so much unknown into programs its ridiculous.
I cant say anything more than you are wrong.


Yeah, no prior data prepares you for a never before seen virus. That's why there's no vaccine.

[DarrinS]

can't stop travel if you can't catch em

Unfortunately, true.

[SnakeBoy]

I read about the contaminated lab a week or so ago, yeah.

I do disagree that it doesn't matter. I mean, I get that some people will try to ankle-bite politically with this shit, but from a strict medical and planning standpoint it is important to know the scope of the problem locally.

It's just like any other problem, it's simply stupid to make decisions if you're not fully informed.

I don't mean to say testing is unimportant, I'm just saying Winehole is too focused on it as some kind of solution. Testing supposed to be widely available next week unless there is another fuck up.

My wife has been fielding calls all week from worried pts with allergies. Most everyone in San Antonio is going to want to be tested.

[Winehole23]

I don't mean to say testing is unimportant, I'm just saying Winehole is too focused on it as some kind of solution. Testing supposed to be widely available next week unless there is another fuck up.

My wife has been fielding calls all week from worried pts with allergies. Most everyone in San Antonio is going to want to be tested.
Your man on Hannity is gonna get some his own voters killed with shit like this.

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[pgardn]

Yeah, no prior data prepares you for a never before seen virus. That's why there's no vaccine.

The spread of the virus Darrin, the spread of the virus. This is what most epidemiologists do. And then accurately communicate what we might expect.

The people who do what we might expect to see in the future you are on the molecular biology end. Every virus could be called novel.
The people who study viruses are called, virologists. They can overlap, but these are the people who are important in proposing a proper test, proposing a proper vaccine. Somebody has to figure out how the virus itself works on a molecular level.

So again, you are just wrong.

[Winehole23]

I don't mean to say testing is unimportant, I'm just saying Winehole is too focused on it as some kind of solution. Testing supposed to be widely available next week unless there is another fuck up.

My wife has been fielding calls all week from worried pts with allergies. Most everyone in San Antonio is going to want to be tested.
I didn't suggest testing was a solution to a pandemic, I said they would be useful, as soon as we can get them.

[pgardn]

I didn't suggest testing was a solution to a pandemic, I said they would be useful, as soon as we can get them.

They are incredibly important.

If you know a person with clear symptoms and you have an accurate test you can go back and find out who they have been in the closest contact with and specifically test these people. We can find out so much working backwards.

You dont need to test people who have just have a runny nose as seems to be presented. Or just want to be tested for the hell of it.

[Winehole23]

They are incredibly important.

If you know a person with clear symptoms and you have an accurate test you can go back and find out who they have been in the closest contact with and specifically test these people. We can find out so much working backwards.

You dont need to test people who have just have a runny nose as seems to be presented. Or just want to be tested for the hell of it.
Nope, Darrin and SnakeBoy say there's nothing we can do about it.

[DarrinS]

Your man on Hannity is gonna get some his own voters killed with shit like this.

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Drumpf gonna get people killed, y'all.

[pgardn]

Nope, Darrin and SnakeBoy say there's nothing we can do about it.

Then they dont get it. It is important when this happens again.


OMG. Tests cost money? Is that it?
It could be used for a proper wall to keep all the infected Latinos out.

[DarrinS]

CNN = Coronavirus News Network

Seriously, turn it on right now

[SnakeBoy]

Your man on Hannity is gonna get some his own voters killed with shit like this.

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How is saying a false number is false going to get people killed?

Is Dr. Fauci trying to kill people by saying the same thing? He was Obama's go to guy also.

[baseline bum]

My wife has been fielding calls all week from worried pts with allergies. Most everyone in San Antonio is going to want to be tested.

LOL the other day I was at a restaurant I like eating curry rice and I ordered it extremely spicy. Only after my nose started running and I was wiping away sweat of my forehead did I realize how bad that looked with all the stories about the corona patients at Lackland.

[Winehole23]

Trump has no good faith basis for saying the fatality rate is way under one percent, that COVID-19 is no different from the seasonal flu, and that it's ok to go to work if you're sick.

[Winehole23]

How is saying a false number is false going to get people killed?

Is Dr. Fauci trying to kill people by saying the same thing? He was Obama's go to guy also.
If the WHO estimate is wrong, the responsible thing to do isn't to make up a number and announce it on TV.

[DarrinS]

LOL the other day I was at a restaurant I like eating curry rice and I ordered it extremely spicy. Only after my nose started running and I was wiping away sweat of my forehead did I realize how bad that looked with all the stories about the corona patients at Lackland.

Yeah, even if people just have allergy symptoms, I'm probably gonna keep my distance. Better safe than sorry.

[DarrinS]

Trump has no good faith basis for saying the fatality rate is way under one percent, that COVID-19 is no different from the seasonal flu, and that it's ok to go to work if you're sick.

I do.

[Winehole23]

I do.Trump doesn't he's just making shit up.

What's your case?

[Winehole23]

Yeah, even if people just have allergy symptoms, I'm probably gonna keep my distance. Better safe than sorry.

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[SnakeBoy]

If the WHO estimate is wrong, the responsible thing to do isn't to make up a number and announce it on TV.

Link to WHO estimate please

I've already provided link to Dr Fauci's NEJM article.

[SnakeBoy]

LOL the other day I was at a restaurant I like eating curry rice and I ordered it extremely spicy. Only after my nose started running and I was wiping away sweat of my forehead did I realize how bad that looked with all the stories about the corona patients at Lackland.

Were you in Iran? (2nd vid)

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[Winehole23]

Link to WHO estimate please

I've already provided link to Dr Fauci's NEJM article.Trump said it was 3.4% on Hannity, did he goof?

[Winehole23]

Link to WHO estimate please

I've already provided link to Dr Fauci's NEJM article.Do you think Trump making shit up on TV about a pandemic is reasonable and responsible?

[SnakeBoy]

Trump said it was 3.4% on Hannity, did he goof?

If that's what he said then yes but you just posted he said it was likely much lower and was going to kill people because of it.

[SnakeBoy]

Do you think Trump making shit up on TV about a pandemic is reasonable and responsible?

You can keep on with your cuz Trump shtick but my wife's practice just put in protocol for dealing with Covid-19 cases. Methodist hospital system has issued protocols for dealing with Covid-19 patients. The CDC/NIH today signaled they are shifting focus to protecting the most vulnerable populations.

It's coming. Are you ready?

[SnakeBoy]

LOL the other day I was at a restaurant I like eating curry rice and I ordered it extremely spicy. Only after my nose started running and I was wiping away sweat of my forehead did I realize how bad that looked with all the stories about the corona patients at Lackland.

George likes his chicken spicy

[Winehole23]

You can keep on with your cuz Trump shtick but my wife's practice just put in protocol for dealing with Covid-19 cases. Methodist hospital system has issued protocols for dealing with Covid-19 patients. The CDC/NIH today signaled they are shifting focus to protecting the most vulnerable populations.

It's coming. Are you ready?What's your wife's advice?

[Winehole23]

If that's what he said then yes but you just posted he said it was likely much lower and was going to kill people because of it.If the president represents a highly contagious, unusually lethal disease as no big deal, mightn't that influence people to let you know their guard down and slow the federal response?

Telling people it's ok to go to work sick is bad advice regardless of the pathogen involved.

[SnakeBoy]

What's your wife's advice?

It's not the virus you need to prepare for. It's all the freaked out people like yourself you might consider preparing for.

Ask your doctor if you need medical advice. Or just put some robitussin on it.

[hater]

Trump said it was 3.4% on Hannity, did he goof?

:lmao paging Darrin

“but but there was a boat once that had 1% death rate” :lol

[picnroll]

-

[boutons_deux]

Trash Claims Thousands Could Still Go To Work With Coronavirus And Get Better

CDC advises:

“Do not go to work, school or public areas.

Avoid using public transportation, ride-sharing or taxis,”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-work-coronavirus_n_5e608bd2c5b69d641c0aa3dc

[hater]

HSBC bank HQ evacuated cause an employee was as positive for the virus

this virus might bring good things after all :tu

[pgardn]

:lmao paging Darrin

“but but there was a boat once that had 1% death rate” :lol

In fairness he did explain why the numbers are most likely lower in an accurate manner.

A rare moment of sanity waiting to be shattered by a tweet retweet from Mike “Smoking won’t kill you Yes it will” Pence.

Next Donald will demonstrate how to lick every person within coughing range to show those stupid libs.
His base will love the brash, swashbuckling orange dude fckn showing them socialists what socialists do.

[pgardn]

HSBC bank HQ evacuated cause an employee was as positive for the virus

this virus might bring good things after all :tu

Says the guy staying mute while Syria indiscriminately bombs women and children.

[CosmicCowboy]

WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN TRUST US.

For weeks, federal health officials told states that only the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a few other public labs could test patients for the new coronavirus.

That was because test kits that the CDC had sent to state and local labs across the country to do their own screening had a flaw that caused inaccurate results.

“It was a malfunctioning chemical,” said Kelly Wroblewski, director of infectious disease programs at the Assn. of Public Health Laboratories.

Now, officials say they have made changes so that California labs and three dozen other public labs across the country will be able to start testing for the virus.


The lack of tests for the coronavirus was made clear this week when a patient was diagnosed with the virus who had not traveled or been in contact with anyone infected. Doctors who treated the woman at UC Davis Medical Center said they had asked the CDC to test the woman but then waited days for that to happen.

The CDC’s flawed test kits stalled the surveillance testing that federal officials had said Feb. 14 would begin in Los Angeles, San Francisco and three other cities. CDC officials said then that the surveillance tests were aimed at finding patients in the community who had been unknowingly infected with the virus.

But by Thursday, fewer than 500 tests had been performed in the U.S., according to the CDC. In comparison, South Korea says it has been testing thousands of people a day.

“If you test less than 500 people, you can’t say at all what is going on,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota

Osterholm said the delay in testing could mean that many cases have gone undetected. “The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence,” he said. “I expect a sizable jump in cases in the next few weeks.”

Said Wroblewski, “It’s unfortunate there was a delay with testing. Earlier is always better, but we were waiting for a quality test.”

Some state and local labs wanted to use their own tests they had developed in-house, Wroblewski said. But that was not possible after the federal government declared the coronavirus, known as COVID-19, a public health emergency at the end of January. After the emergency declaration, any test had to receive authorization from the federal Food and Drug Administration to ensure its accuracy.

After an appeal from the public labs association, federal officials said Thursday they were making changes so that 40 state and local labs would be able to test for the virus.

Wroblewski explained that the original test had three parts. The problematic third part, aimed at testing more broadly for coronaviruses and not just for COVID-19, gave off false readings. She said some labs will now be able to use the test without using the third part. At the same time, the CDC has modified the test and is manufacturing new kits that it will soon be sending to public labs.

She said she does not believe the test is less accurate when just two of the three parts are used.

Officials hope the 40 labs will be able to test for the virus by early next week — which would allow an estimated 4,000 tests a day, Wroblewski said. “We’re in a position to start the surveillance testing, I hope.”

Wroblewski said the association’s goal is to have 100 public labs performing the tests, which would allow 10,000 patients to be tested each day.

State officials said late Friday they expected to get a shipment of test kits to initially cover 1,200 people.

Some commercial labs are also working to develop tests for COVID-19, said Julie Khani, president of the American Clinical Laboratory Assn.

But only the CDC and other public labs are authorized to test for the virus in the U.S.

“At this time, commercial laboratories are not collecting, processing or transporting specimens from patients suspected of having, or confirmed to have, COVID-19,” Khani said.

[hater]

“best healthcare in the world”

“most prepared country in the world”

lol

[picnroll]

CDC required local labs to validate against their test that didn’t work. Sure, why not.

[pgardn]

WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN TRUST US.

For weeks, federal health officials told states that only the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a few other public labs could test patients for the new coronavirus.

That was because test kits that the CDC had sent to state and local labs across the country to do their own screening had a flaw that caused inaccurate results.

“It was a malfunctioning chemical,” said Kelly Wroblewski, director of infectious disease programs at the Assn. of Public Health Laboratories.

Now, officials say they have made changes so that California labs and three dozen other public labs across the country will be able to start testing for the virus.


The lack of tests for the coronavirus was made clear this week when a patient was diagnosed with the virus who had not traveled or been in contact with anyone infected. Doctors who treated the woman at UC Davis Medical Center said they had asked the CDC to test the woman but then waited days for that to happen.

The CDC’s flawed test kits stalled the surveillance testing that federal officials had said Feb. 14 would begin in Los Angeles, San Francisco and three other cities. CDC officials said then that the surveillance tests were aimed at finding patients in the community who had been unknowingly infected with the virus.

But by Thursday, fewer than 500 tests had been performed in the U.S., according to the CDC. In comparison, South Korea says it has been testing thousands of people a day.

“If you test less than 500 people, you can’t say at all what is going on,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota

Osterholm said the delay in testing could mean that many cases have gone undetected. “The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence,” he said. “I expect a sizable jump in cases in the next few weeks.”

Said Wroblewski, “It’s unfortunate there was a delay with testing. Earlier is always better, but we were waiting for a quality test.”

Some state and local labs wanted to use their own tests they had developed in-house, Wroblewski said. But that was not possible after the federal government declared the coronavirus, known as COVID-19, a public health emergency at the end of January. After the emergency declaration, any test had to receive authorization from the federal Food and Drug Administration to ensure its accuracy.

After an appeal from the public labs association, federal officials said Thursday they were making changes so that 40 state and local labs would be able to test for the virus.

Wroblewski explained that the original test had three parts. The problematic third part, aimed at testing more broadly for coronaviruses and not just for COVID-19, gave off false readings. She said some labs will now be able to use the test without using the third part. At the same time, the CDC has modified the test and is manufacturing new kits that it will soon be sending to public labs.

She said she does not believe the test is less accurate when just two of the three parts are used.

Officials hope the 40 labs will be able to test for the virus by early next week — which would allow an estimated 4,000 tests a day, Wroblewski said. “We’re in a position to start the surveillance testing, I hope.”

Wroblewski said the association’s goal is to have 100 public labs performing the tests, which would allow 10,000 patients to be tested each day.

State officials said late Friday they expected to get a shipment of test kits to initially cover 1,200 people.

Some commercial labs are also working to develop tests for COVID-19, said Julie Khani, president of the American Clinical Laboratory Assn.

But only the CDC and other public labs are authorized to test for the virus in the U.S.

“At this time, commercial laboratories are not collecting, processing or transporting specimens from patients suspected of having, or confirmed to have, COVID-19,” Khani said.

Im guessing they think it’s more important to get good results now because the virus will spread regardless unless somehow the warming of spring causes less bunching. Not a lot we can do but practice hand washing hygiene. And follow instructions on closure rules. My observation in DFW airports is no panicking. I did not see a single person on four different airplane trips wearing a mask. We will see.

[boutons_deux]

I did not see a single person on four different airplane trips wearing a mask

The cheapo common unfitted paper masks are not effective as protection on healthy people, as airborne virus can still get around the mask edges, and into eyes.

Masks, esp the fitted ones, work better on infected people to restrain sneezes, coughs

[CosmicCowboy]

The cheapo common unfitted paper masks are not effective as protection on healthy people, as airborne virus can still get around the mask edges, and into eyes.

Masks, esp the fitted ones, work better on infected people to restrain sneezes, coughs

Basically, the masks are only good to remind you not to touch your face with your hands. That's typically how it spreads. The virus stays on surfaces (door knobs, shopping cart handles, gas pump handles, etc. for a week) you touch it and then pick your nose...bingo. You have covid19.

[hater]

the dont wear masks BS is done by governments to prevent shortage of masks for their police/medical force

of course you are better off wearing a mask :lol especially the N95

I have only a handful of those and will wear it if infection reaches Seattle levels in my area

[hater]

remember many of the indications by Govmt/CDC are for the better of the entire population. not for the better of you as individual or your family.

you need to decide how to protect yourself and your family in the best way possible.

[RandomGuy]

If that's what he said then yes but you just posted he said it was likely much lower and was going to kill people because of it.


Trump Massively Lies About the Number of People in the US With Coronavirus: ‘We’re Really Down to Probably About 10


President Trump seems to have wished a vaccine for the new coronavirus into existence. “I think that whole situation will start working out,” he told reporters at a press conference in India. “We’re very close to a vaccine.”


At a Senate hearing that same day, Trump’s acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf took a similar line, promising a vaccine would be ready within “several months.”


At his latest rally in South Carolina, Trump said, “Things happen. Who would have thought of this two weeks ago, four weeks ago, that this could be going on, but things happen in life, and you have to be prepared, and you have to be flexible, and you have to go out and get it, and my guys, we have the best professionals in the world, and we are so ready.”

The CDC has been monitoring the coronavirus since December 2019. They have been issuing a steady stream of public warnings since early January 2020. The CDC warned that the coronavirus could be spread by human contact more than a month ago. They began public health screenings at airports on January 17, 2020.

The coronavirus has been known about for months. Trump wasn’t aware of it until 2-4 weeks ago, because he gets his information from watching cable news.


On Friday night, Donald Trump called the coronavirus epidemic a “hoax” by Democrats who “failed” to bring him down over his collusion with Russia, or the extortion of Ukraine that led to his impeachment.


g his positively incoherent press event on Thursday, Trump already knew that there were sixty cases of coronavirus within the United States. More importantly, he knew that the CDC had just identified the first case of “community spread” in the country — a case that didn’t come in from overseas, and wasn’t obviously tied to someone who had caught it outside the country. Before his speech in South Carolina, three more cases had been identified, including another case of community spread. However, Trump insisted on telling his rally audience that there were still only “fifteen cases in this huge country.”


President Donald Trump and Larry Kudlow, the director of Trump’s National Economic Council, aren’t doctors, but they play them on TV. As the coronavirus epidemic spirals into a pandemic, causing a plunge in the U.S. stock market, Trump and Kudlow, a former CNBC TV host, are cynically spreading disinformation about the contagion.

“We have contained this. I won’t say airtight, but it’s pretty close to airtight,” Larry Kudlow told CNBC Tuesday. Also on Tuesday, Trump tweeted

Lie after lie after lie after lie.

[Winehole23]

It's not the virus you need to prepare for. It's all the freaked out people like yourself you might consider preparing for.

Ask your doctor if you need medical advice. Or just put some robitussin on it.What makes you think I'm freaked out?

Criticizing my government's slow response and lack of preparedness isn't a freakout, but there is something twitchy about your refusal to acknowledge that any mosstep has been made or that making shit up on TV might be making things worse wrt to any eventual panic.

The people need accurate info from their government in a public health emergency, Instead we're getting propaganda and disinfo straight from the top. If the people freak because their government has squandered its credibilty, that's hardly to be blamed on anonymous bulletin board posters who point it out, but def more on public officials who mislead the people in TV.

[RandomGuy]

In fairness he did explain why the numbers are most likely lower in an accurate manner.

A rare moment of sanity waiting to be shattered by a tweet retweet from Mike “Smoking won’t kill you Yes it will” Pence.

Next Donald will demonstrate how to lick every person within coughing range to show those stupid libs.
His base will love the brash, swashbuckling orange dude fckn showing them socialists what socialists do.

Coronavirus tsar Mike Pence wipes nose before shaking hands with top doctors at virus press conference (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-mike-pence-video-trump-white-house-press-conference-a9365476.html)

[RandomGuy]

If that's what he said then yes but you just posted he said it was likely much lower and was going to kill people because of it.

What do you make of the decision to pull the number of people tested from the CDC website?

CORONAVIRUS CASES TESTED IN U.S. REMOVED FROM CDC WEBSITE
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-cases-tested-us-removed-cdc-website-according-congressman-american-people-1490158

They removed it, because the number, practically nil, would make them look bad. The tests will not be widely available until later this month at the earliest.

So the virus is spreading, undetected. You know this. I know this. The administration is trying to hide it, because they don't want the general population to know this. Seems like a pertinent bit of information to make decisions on.

[in2deep]

yes I expect the # of infections to raise by a LOT once US starts testing

US is basically in square 1 still while many other countries like Germany, France are already way ahead

[Winehole23]

Trash Claims Thousands Could Still Go To Work With Coronavirus And Get Better

CDC advises:

“Do not go to work, school or public areas.

Avoid using public transportation, ride-sharing or taxis,”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-work-coronavirus_n_5e608bd2c5b69d641c0aa3dcthe President contradicting public health officials to soothe the market isn't ideal, wouldn't you say, SnakeBoy?

[hater]

yes I expect the # of infections to raise by a LOT once US starts testing

US is basically in square 1 still while many other countries like Germany, France are already way ahead

:lmao only 39 infected in Seattle yeah right and Im Santa Claus :lol

this is turning out to be worst that Katrina fuckup

Im sure thousands in WA and Cali are already infected

Facebook and Amazon employees tested positive. both companies shut down and working from home

[hater]

lets take a look: 3 of the biggest tech companies all working from home. But no! all the other peasants l, you need to still go to work! ob and Masks are really bad for you so do not buy them!

:lmao

Dump should immediately tell all employees who can work from home to go ahead without repercussions from employers

[hater]

thisisfine.gif

https://twitter.com/alephh/status/1235537043729473539?s=21

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOtehF01Kc


59 million people affected. 12K deaths.

What are we at, 150 some odd cases and 11 deaths?

[hater]

this explains the videos of Chinese dropping to ground, shaking and acting violent in some cases. This is also why this virus has something in common to SARS.

the bioweapon theory becomes stronger

but thisfine.gif

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1235178507820347392?s=21

[Winehole23]

lets take a look: 3 of the biggest tech companies all working from home. But no! all the other peasants l, you need to still go to work! ob and Masks are really bad for you so do not buy them!

:lmao

Dump should immediately tell all employees who can work from home to go ahead without repercussions from employersGuaranteed sick leave would seem to be a no brainer, if public health/human life were the priority in the US. It isn't.

[Winehole23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOtehF01Kc


59 million people affected. 12K deaths.

What are we at, 150 some odd cases and 11 deaths?How long has COVID-19 been spreading in the US?

The lack of testing pretty much guarantees that number of cases is way too low. It probably also makes the mortality rate look greater than it is.

You're not real big on context or explaining what statistics mean, are you Darrin?

Just propaganda tools to you.

[Spurs Homer]

Russia has banned all exports of masks and related equipment

They also interetingly said they are taking measures to protect Putin from the virus. probably boosting his immune system and isolating him :wow

Russia is taking this as an alien invasion :wow

shits real

or maybe they know something about this virus that others dont- yet


nothing would surprise me

[MultiTroll]

the President contradicting public health officials to soothe the market isn't ideal, wouldn't you say, SnakeBoy?
Except Trump didn't say "Go to work, school or public areas."
Strawman.

[Winehole23]

Except Trump didn't say "Go to work, school or public areas."
Strawman.He did on Hannity last night.

[DarrinS]

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/03/02/tom-jefferson-covid-19-many-questions-no-clear-answers/

[Spurs Homer]

He did on Hannity last night.


why worry?

”what you are seeing and what you are hearing- is not really what is happening!” (DJT)

so relax-


dear leader will tell you what is happening!

[MultiTroll]

He did on Hannity last night.
The Straw article you initially posted quoted his Hannity appearance.

[DarrinS]

:lmao paging Darrin

“but but there was a boat once that had 1% death rate” :lol

https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html?utm_source=digg


The author

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/author/jfaust

[hater]

https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html?utm_source=digg


The author

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/author/jfaust

unfortunately the USA is not a controlled environment

so yay we know the ideal deathrate is 1% yet the REAL deathrate will most likely be much more

thisisfine.gif

[DarrinS]

The response has been much quicker than to H1N1 in 2009.


Did Rush say that or do you have some personal experience here?


By what metric are you using to make this assertion?

Back it up or fold like Spurtacular and Cosmored.


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/coronavirus-the-latest-attempt-to-prove-trumps-a-chump/





Okay class, let’s start by contrasting the media-induced panic of 2020 with 2009 under Obama. The first cases of the swine flu, H1N1, appeared in April 2009. By the time Obama finally declared a national emergency that fall, the CDC reported that 50 million Americans, one in six people, had been infected and 10,000 Americans had died.

In the early months of the disease, Obama had no secretary of health and human services or appointees in any of the department’s 19 key posts. No commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, no surgeon general, no CDC director. The vacancy at the CDC was especially important, as in the early days of the crisis, only they could test for the virus; states weren’t allowed until later. DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano, not a medical doctor, led the federal effort. Sound familiar?

The first real H1N1 cases appeared in Mexico, though Mexicans were never forbidden to enter the U.S. And while the CDC recommended against travel there, the primary danger cited was kidnapping for ransom. Some 66 percent of Americans, supported by the media, thought the president was protecting them even as 4,000 Americans died before a vaccine was even distributed.

The emergency proclamation it took Obama seven months to declare was issued by Trump within 30 days of the coronavirus being found abroad. He announced a temporary suspension of entry into the U.S. of foreign nationals who posed a risk for transmission (CNN warned: “the travel ban could stigmatize countries and ethnicities”). And yes, Trump encouraged everyone to wash their hands.

Anybody here remember the media freaking out over Obama’s initial response, which was also to suggest everyone wash their hands? Anyone find evidence of national panic? No. So why did the media cover essentially an identical story so very differently?

Now let’s turn to the timing in 2020. The crisis arrived when the media decided it was time for a crisis. Though the virus had dominated headlines in Asia since mid-January, American media relegated it to business news. In late February, the main “Trump” story was still Russiagate II, the faux revelation that Russians were meddling in another election. The lackluster Democratic debate at the end of February invoked Putin many times. The virus barely came up.

Then the New York Times sent up the Bat Signal the day after the debate, an article titled “Let’s Call It Trumpvirus” (subtlety is not required for propaganda). An effort was born to blame Trump for the outbreak and essentially declare his chances of reelection done. The critical change had little to do with the virus itself, simply with the decision by the media to elevate the story from the business section to the front page. Only a handful of Americans had died and about half the known U.S. cases had arrived as evacuees from Japan (should we even have left them go there?). Of course, the numbers quickly went up, but that’s why we say “going viral” when your Instagram blows up.

You’ll see in your textbooks another example of how propaganda works, the reporting of initial problems with the CDC coronavirus test kits. One typical headline claimed, “The U.S. Badly Bungled Coronavirus Testing.” But the problems were old news almost as soon as the stories were written. Within a week, nearly a million tests would be available.

The follow-on stories screamed about Trump cutting funding to the CDC, most of which was actually only proposed. Then the stories were merged—Trump cut CDC funding and thus not enough kits were available. Not only were both pieces largely untrue individually, the fusion of the two was grossly false. The media treated developments as raw material to mock Trump, like late-night comedians trolling the news for monologue fodder.

The problem with the testing kits was a technical one involving chemical reagents and factory contamination. CDC is a massive institution. Who if anyone there made any “bungled” decisions? Would they have really made a better choice with different funding? This is how the media acts when they seek to fix the blame, not the problem.

The propaganda surrounding how the government initially handled the coronavirus was also obvious, what with the false “who is in charge” question the media asked. The vice president was assigned to head up the task force. This is the kind of thing VPs do: bring gravitas, make sure a whole of government approach has the bureaucratic firepower it needs, and so on. The propaganda instead hyper-focused on Mike Pence’s “disbelief in science.”

For “proof,” the stories settled on Pence supposedly creating an HIV epidemic while governor of Indiana. The reality was different. Pence took office opposed to needle exchanges. When dirty needles shared among opioid users in rural Scott County were linked to 71 cases of HIV transmission, Pence responded to the new information by changing his policy and authorizing needle exchange in Scott and four other counties. The reality seems much closer to seeing an ideological stance changed by science than the other way around.

Meanwhile, the media largely ignored those whom Pence chose for his task force. One was Dr. Deborah Birx, a career medical professional nominated by Obama in 2014 as the U.S. global AIDS coordinator. She also served as head of the global HIV/AIDS division at CDC, and was an immunology researcher at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and an Army colonel. You want to inspire confidence, you profile Dr. Birx; you want to sow discord, you misrepresent Mike Pence’s decisions years ago.

[DarrinS]

unfortunately the USA is not a controlled environment

so yay we know the ideal deathrate is 1% yet the REAL deathrate will most likely be much more

thisisfine.gif


Based on what?

hater: <crickets>

[Winehole23]

Is the CDC executive branch or not?

Lol Trump blaming Obama for an agency under his command for three years. Trump never owns a mistake.

[Thread]

Is the CDC executive branch or not?

Lol Trump blaming Obama for an agency under his command for three years. Trump never owns a mistake.

...& neither does Obama.

[SnakeBoy]

https://slate.com/technology/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-rate-lower-than-we-think.html?utm_source=digg


The author

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/author/jfaust

Very good article. Hater didn't really read it :lol

[Winehole23]

The Straw article you initially posted quoted his Hannity appearance.Direct quotation isn't strawmanning.

[Winehole23]

...& neither does Obama.Trump President, not Obama

[Spurs Homer]

...& neither does Obama.

a tan suit?

fucking bastard!

[picnroll]

Brutal truth is the mortality rate of 65+ year olds is not the most impactful thing. Probably end up saving in social security and Medicare costs. What would be impactful is the 20% or so requiring intensive care and the overall disruption to the economy from quarantine and supply chain disruption.

[DarrinS]

Is the CDC executive branch or not?

Lol Trump blaming Obama for an agency under his command for three years. Trump never owns a mistake.


I see that you're just gonna stomp your feet in a fit of TDS. Good luck with that

[SnakeBoy]

What makes you think I'm freaked out?


You're pumping false mortality info and getting upset at any suggestion it isn't a bad as you want it to be.

Is the calm in your world?

[hater]

Based on what?

hater: <crickets>

based on the current deathrate reported :lol

lol Darrin

[DarrinS]

Brutal truth is the mortality rate of 65+ year olds is not the most impactful thing. Probably end up saving in social security and Medicare costs. What would be impactful is the 20% or so requiring intensive care and the overall disruption to the economy from quarantine and supply chain disruption.


Good news for you Apple fanboys

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/apple-supplier-foxconn-back-to-full-capacity-by-end-of-march.html

[SnakeBoy]

Good news for you Apple fanboys

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/apple-supplier-foxconn-back-to-full-capacity-by-end-of-march.html

Xi said fuck it get back to work :lol

[Thread]

a tan suit?

fucking bastard!

He looked ridiculous, Homer. C'mon.

[Winehole23]

I see that you're just gonna stomp your feet in a fit of TDS. Good luck with thatPointing out Trump's shortcomings, incompetence and shirkings of responsibility isn't TDS, it's a factual observation. Calling reasonable criticism of public officials derangement is more akin to derangement, tbh.

[baseline bum]

He looked ridiculous, Homer. C'mon.

Dijon mustard?

[Winehole23]

You're pumping false mortality info and getting upset at any suggestion it isn't a bad as you want it to be.

Is the calm in your world?Where did I pump false info? I didn't make PFA mortality estimates like Trump did last night and Darrin has been doing continuously for a week or so.

[DarrinS]

Pointing out Trump's shortcomings, incompetence and shirkings of responsibility isn't TDS, it's a factual observation. Calling reasonable criticism of public officials derangement is more akin to derangement, tbh.


You're just parroting MSM talking points, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Darrin got bullied into posting his Peter Van Buren article without a link.

[ChumpDumper]

You're just parroting MSM talking points, tbhYou literally posted a pro Trump talking points article.

[Winehole23]

You're pumping false mortality info and getting upset at any suggestion it isn't a bad as you want it to be.Quite the contrary, I think it's unfortunate Trump's incompetence and preoccupation for political optics over public health is likely to make it worse. He's undermining his own experts and public health agencies by making shit up on TV.

[DarrinS]

:lmao Darrin got bullied into posting his Peter Van Buren article without a link.

Thanks

Fixed it. :tu

[MultiTroll]

Direct quotation isn't strawmanning.
Direct quotes of Trump do not match the direct Strawman obvious narrative in article.

You, like so many Demons including Huff Blow are simply partisan politicizing.

[Winehole23]

Direct quotes of Trump do not match the direct Strawman obvious narrative in article.

You, like so many Demons including Huff Blow are simply partisan politicizing.Official incompetence and propaganda high-jacking public health administration is political; so is criticizing it.

There is no place outside of politics from which to comment on politics; there is no neutral, value-free point of view.

[MultiTroll]

Official incompetence and propaganda high-jacking public health administration is political; so is criticizing it.

There is no place outside of politics from which to comment on politics; there is no neutral, value-free point of view.
Great, link a direct quote of Trump with the Huff Blows claims.
Or don't.
Context of Trump is he was speaking to the statistics, how many people may have had it and recovered and are not shown in the stats at this time. He was not endorsing future "go to work even if you have corona virus" that you and HuffBlow are trying to straw.

[Winehole23]

"If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work, some of them go to work, but they get better, and then when you do have a death, like you've had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York." Seems like Trump is suggesting it's ok to go to work with a COVID-19 infection, or at least trying to create confusion about it. He sounds confused about it.

There was no death in New York, btw.

[spurraider21]

Made it up?

Heard it on cable TV or Rush?
he heard if from thousands of muslims on rooftops on 9/11

[Spurs Homer]

He looked ridiculous, Homer. C'mon.


he did


glad that we have a president now who wears more makeup than a drag queen, is obese, uneducated, works for russia, is a pathological liar, a rapist, criminal, con man, a white supremacist and a serial adulterer among many other of his fine qualities


but at least he will never wear a ridiculous tan suit!

[Winehole23]

he heard if from thousands of muslims on rooftops on 9/11In fairness, his wife is a doc.

[phxspurfan]

Brutal truth is the mortality rate of 65+ year olds is not the most impactful thing. Probably end up saving in social security and Medicare costs. What would be impactful is the 20% or so requiring intensive care and the overall disruption to the economy from quarantine and supply chain disruption.

it won't affect most of them, as it will die off with the early summer we're going to have. Punxsutawney Phil saved us.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Punxsutawney_Phil_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg

[boutons_deux]

‘Maybe Pence can pray them into existence’:

Trump slammed with mockery after breaking promise on coronavirus test rollou

the Trump administration won’t be able to meet its goal of having a million coronavirus tests available by the end of the week.

“There won’t be a million people to get a test by the end of the week,” Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) said.

“It’s way smaller than that. And still, at this point, it’s still through public health departments.”

The news contradicts

Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn, who told senators that the U.S. would have the “capacity” to perform up to a million tests by the end of the week.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar reinforced that promise as well.

It was patently obvious to anyone who heard that ridiculous promise that Trump had no idea what he was talking about.

Breaking news would be if he actually said something intelligent.

So in other words, they lied again

Yes, trump always lies when his mouth opens

Inept and incompetent

Shocking! Maybe Pence will pray them into existence.

Raise your hand if you are surprised. Thank you Washington State and New York State to have the where with all to get FDA approval to make your own tests.


... That the Administration tried to block.


Of course not! And thank Trump for firing the pandemic response team two years ago.

Ya don’t say? Boy, didn’t see that coming, did you?

Not really "Breaking News"... 70% of us knew it was BS as soon as they made the claim. Liars gotta lie.


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/maybe-pence-can-pray-them-into-existence-trump-slammed-with-mockery-after-breaking-promise-on-coronavirus-test-rollout/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/maybe-pence-can-pray-them-into-existence-trump-slammed-with-mockery-after-breaking-promise-on-coronavirus-test-rollout/)

[RandomGuy]

The response has been much quicker than to H1N1 in 2009.


By what metric are you using to make this assertion?

Back it up or fold like Spurtacular and Cosmored.


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/coronavirus-the-latest-attempt-to-prove-trumps-a-chump/

That is a link, ironically, to a propaganda piece deriding others for spreading propaganda.

That said, it made some pretty good points, a few flawed comparisons notwithstanding. Thanks.

I have come to conclude a lot of the coverage is obviously stilted, and even unfair to Trump, and this cemented that.

Trump is still a moron. He still lies to make himself look good, and to distract from fuck ups, as he has repeatedly here. Pence is still an overly religious jackass who would readily impose a form of Christian sharia if he thought he could get away with it.

Shame that you don't seem to care about media bias and lying when it is something you agree with.

The problem is that even when the coverage is fair when it comes to Trumps fuck ups, conservatives pretend it isn't and attack the media anyways.

[RandomGuy]

Seems like Trump is suggesting it's ok to go to work with a COVID-19 infection, or at least trying to create confusion about it. He sounds confused about it.

There was no death in New York, btw.

I think he is trying, in his own way, to say that it won't be bad for most people. Ham-handed.

I am guessing that the overall death rate will end up lower once we get a lot more data. Given that I have seen reports of asymptomatic people spreading it, I am guessing that any estimate of the death toll early on is going to be overstated, since we are missing a large chunk of data for the denominator. (number of fatalities/total number who get infected)

Whatever happens, or whatever the truth is, you can probably expect Trump to lie about it.

[SnakeBoy]

it won't affect most of them, as it will die off with the early summer we're going to have.

To early to be sure but the lack of major outbreak in the southern hemisphere remains encouraging. Our influenza season ends in April, theirs starts in May so we'll see what happens.

[boutons_deux]

Florida Man and the ignorant assholes who elect him

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[SnakeBoy]

I am guessing that the overall death rate will end up lower once we get a lot more data. Given that I have seen reports of asymptomatic people spreading it, I am guessing that any estimate of the death toll early on is going to be overstated, since we are missing a large chunk of data for the denominator. (number of fatalities/total number who get infected)


Yesterday I saw an interview with an older guy in qt in Nebraska. Said he had a fever for one day and was fine after that. He said if it was a normal cold he would have felt well enough to go back to work the 2nd day.

Then he asked that people quit sending his family death threats in Cali.

[baseline bum]

To early to be sure but the lack of major outbreak in the southern hemisphere remains encouraging. Our influenza season ends in April, theirs starts in May so we'll see what happens.

Is this flu-like enough where it's a reasonable guess that it won't transmit nearly as much in spring and summer? Wonder if it happens that way will people get complacent only to have it come back really hard in winter like H1N1 in late 1918.

[DMX7]

Florida Man and the ignorant assholes who elect him

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Given the sad response to this, we may all be wearing one soon.

[SnakeBoy]

Is this flu-like enough where it's a reasonable guess that it won't transmit nearly as much in spring and summer? Wonder if it happens that way will people get complacent only to have it come back really hard in winter like H1N1 in late 1918.

It's the same type of virus as influenza and the other human coronaviruses which follow a seasonal pattern so it's reasonable. What I've heard/read from experts is hopeful but we won't know until we know.

[SnakeBoy]

Wonder if it happens that way will people get complacent only to have it come back really hard in winter like H1N1 in late 1918.

Yeah I could see that happening after all the excitement then people/media decide it was overblown.

[hater]

Is this flu-like enough where it's a reasonable guess that it won't transmit nearly as much in spring and summer? Wonder if it happens that way will people get complacent only to have it come back really hard in winter like H1N1 in late 1918.

thats not known yet. its the hope

people miss the point if china using those quarantines. its not to Stop the spread of the virus. thats impossible. its to allow it to spread gradually from region to region thus give breath to our medical/drug services. kinda like fire containment

USA is not employing that strategy. Thus if multiple fires start all over, our services will get overwhelmed and collapse

in the end most of us will get the virus. the secret is to let i get us gradually and not all at once

[hater]

https://twitter.com/nkosibooi/status/1235627900616966145?s=21

[boutons_deux]

Given the sad response to this, we may all be wearing one soon.

masks only useful for the infected to block their toxic aerosols

not very effective as protection for healthy people

[boutons_deux]

Trump was scheduled to speak at this health care conference —

but it just got canceled thanks to coronavirus :lol

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/trump-was-scheduled-to-speak-at-this-health-care-conference-but-it-just-got-canceled-thanks-to-coronavirus/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3893

What would Trash have to say about HIS health care and 1000s of dead untreated / undertreated Americans under Repug health care?

[phxspurfan]

masks only useful for the infected to block their toxic aerosols

not very effective as protection for healthy people

Also they are disposable, so not protective if:

- you take it off at any point, touch the outside and then your face and put it back on (which I see so many people doing, like taking it off to talk)
- you use it for longer than recommended / re-use it after a single use, since it is a single-use disposable, and its outer surfaces can have the virus on them, or you compromise the surface by sleeping/leaning on it/crushing/bending it out of shape
- you don't cinch it down real tight so as to properly filter airflow, versus drawing air around it, or have a substandard one like the ones we see with Hello Kitty and shit on them

so basically they are what they say they are. Dust masks for particulates, and only useful as one time use disposable items. With the boxes going for >$100 each due to supply, it's likely you only have a box or two (perhaps from being prepared), but that would only last so long if used properly, and only do so much.

[boutons_deux]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESXKXFSXQAEDMU8?format=jpg&name=large

redoing the WH tennis court definitely needs trophy wife bimbeaux head protection

[phxspurfan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESXKXFSXQAEDMU8?format=jpg&name=large

redoing the WH tennis court definitely needs trophy wife bimbeaux head protection

When has anyone ever seen the president play tennis? Any president?

[SnakeBoy]

thats not known yet. its the hope

people miss the point if china using those quarantines. its not to Stop the spread of the virus. thats impossible. its to allow it to spread gradually from region to region thus give breath to our medical/drug services. kinda like fire containment

USA is not employing that strategy. Thus if multiple fires start all over, our services will get overwhelmed and collapse

in the end most of us will get the virus. the secret is to let i get us gradually and not all at once

Dude call the CDC & NIH and tell them the secret.

[hater]

Dude call the CDC & NIH and tell them the secret.

lol someone should

[rascal]

It's the one case where we know the denominator with any accuracy.

You can panic if you want to. I'm not worried

That is because it is not in your backyard yet.

[DarrinS]

That is because it is not in your backyard yet.

It was earlier this week. But they flew those people home.

[hater]

agree with Darrin about not panicing

unless you are 55+ years old thats is

even kids seem to be either immune to it or show no symptoms. which is a great thing.

only ting to worry about is if you happpen to be in the middle of an incontrollable hotspot. medical services would collapse and if you need a hospital you would be shit out of luck

that and a possible further mutation.

oh and then theres the economic impact which is almost a 100% sure bet it will bring a recession

well I guess theres good reason to worry but agree no panic yet

[picnroll]

To early to be sure but the lack of major outbreak in the southern hemisphere remains encouraging. Our influenza season ends in April, theirs starts in May so we'll see what happens.

As of March 5 Australia has recorded 60 cases of infection and two elderly people have died from the virus.

[hater]

As of March 5 Australia has recorded 60 cases of infection and two elderly people have died from the virus.

has there been community spread? there are millions of asians in Australia. Sydney is basically Korean

nice chicks :tu :tu

[Sheriff Hoyt]

1235713013895716864

[picnroll]

has there been community spread? there are millions of asians in Australia. Sydney is basically Korean

nice chicks :tu :tu

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/04/australian-coronavirus-cases-rise-to-41-amid-two-cases-of-community-transmission

[MultiTroll]

As of March 5 Australia has recorded 60 cases of infection and two elderly people have died from the virus.
and....
Australian doctors with coronavirus attended seminar with dozens of others

https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/australian-doctors-with-coronavirus-attended-seminar-with-dozens-of-others/

[DarrinS]

The bad places are going to be those cities that just let homeless camp everywhere.

[SnakeBoy]

What you should be getting ahead of, just in case.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNsE5banDu4&feature=emb_logo

[SnakeBoy]

As of March 5 Australia has recorded 60 cases of infection and two elderly people have died from the virus.

That's not widespread. We are nearing the end of our respiratory illness season and they are nearing the beginning of theirs. I would think some overlap might happen.

Really just have to wait and see if we get lucky.

[DarrinS]

What you should be getting ahead of, just in case.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNsE5banDu4&feature=emb_logo



The only thing I've seen in my local stores is empty shelves for Lysol, Purell, and bottled water. I'm not sure why people are afraid of the tap water.

[baseline bum]

The only thing I've seen in my local stores is empty shelves for Lysol, Purell, and bottled water. I'm not sure why people are afraid of the tap water.

Fucking bottled water, proof Americans will buy anything you slap a label on.

[SnakeBoy]

The only thing I've seen in my local stores is empty shelves for Lysol, Purell, and bottled water. I'm not sure why people are afraid of the tap water.

Yeah the water thing is strange. Probably that's just what they've learned from natural disasters.

New Yorker's fearlessly embrace diversity by avoiding chinatown

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/business/chinese-business-new-york-city-coronavirus/index.html

[Will Hunting]

6 months from now we’re going to be laughing at the overreaction to this.

[CosmicCowboy]

IF this is a typical virus then texas should be pretty safe. It's all about how long the virus survives on a surface so it can be transferred. They like 40s and dont like 90s plus. They like air conditioning though. Thoughts and prayers dudes.

[baseline bum]

New Yorker's fearlessly embrace diversity by avoiding chinatown

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/02/business/chinese-business-new-york-city-coronavirus/index.html

Glad I look 100% white despite having a half Japanese mother. And white people thinks she's Mexican (though Japanese people recognize her as Japanese). :lol

[Winehole23]

6 months from now we’re going to be laughing at the overreaction to this.
If we end up better prepared for the next one it will have been worth it. It's not reasonable to presume this is the last deadly pandemic we'll ever see.

[boutons_deux]

Quarantined nurse condemns CDC’s incompetence in blistering statement

a nurse with the Kaiser Permanente hospital network in California

under quarantine for coronavirus released a statement telling the story — and

ripping into the Centers for Disease Control for their handling of the crisis.

“As a nurse, I’m very concerned that not enough is being done to stop the spread of the coronavirus,”

“I know because I am currently sick and in quarantine after caring for a patient who tested positive.

I’m awaiting ‘permission’ from the federal government to allow for my testing,

even after my physician and county health professional ordered it.”

The nurse volunteered to treat this patient,

“assuming that if something happened to me, of course I too would be cared for.”

But that was not what happened.

But the National CDC would not initiate testing.

They said they would not test me because

if I were wearing the recommended protective equipment,

then I wouldn’t have the coronavirus …

What a ridiculous and uneducated response from the department that is in charge of our health in this country.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/quarantined-nurse-condemns-cdcs-incompetence-in-blistering-statement/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/quarantined-nurse-condemns-cdcs-incompetence-in-blistering-statement/)

Trash's toxicity, his famous Reverse Midas Touch shitting the world far and wide

[CosmicCowboy]

The only thing I've seen in my local stores is empty shelves for Lysol, Purell, and bottled water. I'm not sure why people are afraid of the tap water.

The fear apparently is a pandemic where all the lazy SAWS guys call in sick and the system breaks down.

[DarrinS]

I mostly worry about my mom. I'll probably do her grocery shopping for her, so she doesn't have to get out.

[CosmicCowboy]

Apologies to any SAWS employees but reminds me of a joke

What's big and white and sleeps four?

A SAWS truck.

[DarrinS]

Apologies to any SAWS employees but reminds me of a joke

What's big and white and sleeps four?

A SAWS truck.

:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

I mostly worry about my mom. I'll probably do her grocery shopping for her, so she doesn't have to get out.

Yep. I'm putting a hand sanitizer at my moms front door.

[Winehole23]

The bad places are going to be those cities that just let homeless camp everywhere.Walk us through it, why do you think homeless encampments are more dangerous than crowded workplaces, schools, hospitals, trains, planes and buses and public events?

Do you have some empirical basis for casting shade on the homeless, or is this more PFA epidemiology?

[Spurminator]

Flights to Seattle are super cheap right now.

[DarrinS]

On a positive note, if you go to John's Hopkins map and expand mainland China graph (lower right), it appears to be leveling off

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[baseline bum]

6 months from now we’re going to be laughing at the overreaction to this.

Hopefully 7.5 months from now when we're back in flu season and the shit likely ramps way up again we will have a decent vaccine in enough supply to deliver to at-risk groups.

[DarrinS]

Flights to Seattle are super cheap right now.

Especially one way flights :lol

[Winehole23]

Hell, a busy restaurant probably spreads more disease daily than homeless encampments. More contact with the public, too poor to self-quarantine.

[DarrinS]

Walk us through it, why do you think homeless encampments are more dangerous than crowded workplaces, schools, hospitals, trains, planes and buses and public events?

Do you have some empirical basis for casting shade on the homeless, or is this more PFA epidemiology?

Poor hygiene, rats, etc

[DarrinS]

Hell, a busy restaurant probably spreads more disease daily than homeless encampments. More contact with the public, too poor to self-quarantine.


Probably not gonna get Typhus at Cheesecake Factory, tbh.

Now, Chipotle, on the other hand...

[DarrinS]

Hopefully 7.5 months from now when we're back in flu season and the shit likely ramps way up again we will have a decent vaccine in enough supply to deliver to at-risk groups.

Pray for global warming, tbh

[baseline bum]

On a positive note, if you go to John's Hopkins map and expand mainland China graph (lower right), it appears to be leveling off

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Can't say that I trust any number coming out of China. Shit same for Japan, they're just trying to keep from losing the Olympics. South Korean numbers are about the only ones in that part of the world I'd trust since they're actually testing people.

[boutons_deux]

Fucking bottled water, proof Americans will buy anything you slap a label on.

10,000 x more expensive than tap water, even after you install a 4 stage filter.

sheeple, buying WATER! :lol bottled in plastic, taken right out of the ground with no processing.

[baseline bum]

Pray for global warming, tbh

Well we had a really warm winter here so we might be in luck.

[DarrinS]

Can't say that I trust any number coming out of China. Shit same for Japan, they're just trying to keep from losing the Olympics. South Korean numbers are about the only ones in that part of the world I'd trust since they're actually testing people.

Fair point.

[Will Hunting]

If we end up better prepared for the next one it will have been worth it. It's not reasonable to presume this is the last deadly pandemic we'll ever see.
I think we see a deadly pandemic that wipes out hundreds of millions of people (potentially billions) in the next 50 years. This just isn’t it.

[SnakeBoy]

If we end up better prepared for the next one it will have been worth it.

They'll die for the good of the motherland comrade

[baseline bum]

10,000 x more expensive than tap water, even after you install a 4 stage filter.

sheeple, buying WATER! :lol bottled in plastic, taken right out of the ground with no processing.

Isn't the shit usually tap water? :lol

[DarrinS]

Fucking bottled water, proof Americans will buy anything you slap a label on.

Isn't one the brands of bottled water just Harris county tap water? :lol

[DarrinS]

Isn't the shit usually tap water? :lol

Beat me to it. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

10,000 x more expensive than tap water, even after you install a 4 stage filter.

sheeple, buying WATER! :lol bottled in plastic, taken right out of the ground with no processing.

my wifes family members all have a kangen water filter machines which retails for 6k down here, they tried to sell me one..told them lmao

[Will Hunting]

Isn't one the brand's of bottled water just Harris county tap water? :lol
I know it got exposed awhile back that Aquafina was just tap water, I’m forgetting from where though.

[Winehole23]

Probably not gonna get Typhus at Cheesecake Factory, tbh.

Now, Chipotle, on the other hand...Hiding behind a glib witticism suits you. :tu

[baseline bum]

I think we see a deadly pandemic that wipes out hundreds of millions of people (potentially billions) in the next 50 years. This just isn’t it.

I don't know. A big part of what makes this virus so successful is that it doesn't have a really high kill rate like say Ebola or MERS. It's why you can have a ton of asymptomatic carriers and why it's impossible to contain. Natural selection isn't going to favor a virus that kills its host so easily. If something is going to kill on the order of a billion I'd put my money on famine.

[baseline bum]

Isn't one the brands of bottled water just Harris county tap water? :lol

I thought most of the brands were tap water. :lol

God the thought of paying $1 a bottle for fucking Houston water :lmao

[Winehole23]

They'll die for the good of the motherland comradeSays you..

Too bad Trump is making it worse by putting pressure on the health care system to keep the reported numbers down.

[SnakeBoy]

Says you..


lol your the one saying their deaths will be worth it

[hater]

You can store tapwater up to over a year. I have a month supply already stored. :lmao water bottles. the water is actually worse quality than tap water

[TDMVPDPOY]

You can store tapwater up to over a year. I have a month supply already stored. :lmao water bottles. the water is actually worse quality than tap water

bottle water at the end of the day is in a plastic or whatever material to hold the water, and its not good when its in the sun/heat area...the particles from bottle material mixes with the water...

[hater]

also China is gonna be the first to have a vaccine. probably in a few months. they will skip most of the bullshit clinical tests :lol

its gonna be funny when americans will develop a black market for chinese vaccines

[picnroll]

also China is gonna be the first to have a vaccine. probably in a few months. they will skip most of the bullshit clinical tests :lol

its gonna be funny when americans will develop a black market for chinese vaccines
Yeah but they have the advantage on testing on all the Muslims then exposing them.

[DarrinS]

also China is gonna be the first to have a vaccine. probably in a few months. they will skip most of the bullshit clinical tests :lol

its gonna be funny when americans will develop a black market for chinese vaccines

You gonna pre-order? :lol

[hater]

You gonna pre-order? :lol

I might take advantage and go visit d great wall tbqh

[hater]

15,000 cases of virus outside china. in 3 weeks there will be more cases outside china than in china. chinese will close their borders, finish their vaccine and laugh at everyone :lol

we will be forced to follow the chinese model of containment and let the military loose

[pgardn]

You can store tapwater up to over a year. I have a month supply already stored. :lmao water bottles. the water is actually worse quality than tap water

Yeah.

Use That H2O you stored from Flint.

Tapwater is not the same from different parts of this country.
Its especially good from the E. Aquifer in NW San Antonio, just high in CaCO3 (not good for pipes but possibly good for bones.

[hater]

new youtube challenge. the coronavirus challenge

beat it with no meds....


calling it now... call me nostradamus when it happens

:wow :wow

#CoronavirusChallenge trending

:wow

[hater]

Maryland down

DC next. Coronavirus on way to Congress and White House...

[spurraider21]

Maryland down

DC next. Coronavirus on way to Congress and White House...
fuck... virginia had some people tested but none came positive. maryland is next door