Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Pelicans78]

Death is just one metric of a pandemic. Morbidity and disabilty are two others.

It's crazy to me that this country doesn't care about keeping cases down.

That shape is sailed as far as keeping cases down. A lot of things had to go right and none of it did. At this point it’s about treating it as best as possible. The virus will always be around. It won’t be as severe long-term since we will have built in immunity.

[Winehole23]

That shape is sailed as far as keeping cases down. A lot of things had to go right and none of it did. At this point it’s about treating it as best as possible. The virus will always be around. It won’t be as severe long-term since we will have built in immunity.
I'm not a fatalist. We screwed up badly, but if we somehow summon the political will to put fighting the pandemic first, we can make a big difference.

We can't change the past, but we can influence the shape of things to come.

[Winehole23]

I also think your take on immunity is naive. It's so complex, and getting herd immunity without effective vaccines is human carnage.

Other countries aren't doing it that way, why do we have to?

[Pelicans78]

I also think your take on immunity is naive. It's so complex, and getting herd immunity without effective vaccines is human carnage.

Other countries aren't doing it that way, why do we have to?

Because we’re already seeing infections less severe now compared to what we saw in March/April. There’s several theories including better treatment and hospitals not quite as overwhelmed, but I do think this strain is not quite as severe even in older patients who are surviving more compared to March/April.

The problem with doing what other countries have done is we weren’t as effective in prevention early on and now it’s really here and everywhere. My hometown in Louisiana got hit hard the last two months and now we’re seeing a drop in cases finally. Our hospital is down to 30+ cases with 9 on a ventillator compared to 2-3 weeks ago where we had 55+ cases with 18 on a ventilator.

[Winehole23]

Because we’re already seeing infections less severe now compared to what we saw in March/April. There’s several theories including better treatment and hospitals not quite as overwhelmed, but I do think this strain is not quite as severe even in older patients who are surviving more compared to March/April.

The problem with doing what other countries have done is we weren’t as effective in prevention early on and now it’s really here and everywhere. My hometown in Louisiana got hit hard the last two months and now we’re seeing a drop in cases finally. Our hospital is down to 30+ cases with 9 on a ventillator compared to 2-3 weeks ago where we had 55+ cases with 18 on a ventilator.I think you're wishcasting, but I hope you're right.

[Pelicans78]

I think you're wishcasting, but I hope you're right.

I could be wrong. Things could pick up again with schools starting, but eventually the virus will burn out like it did in some of the northeastern states. But the virus will be around every year. We have to hope that it will turn out to be similar to other coronaviruses we have now which usually are nothing more than cold symptoms.

[boutons_deux]

Chinese cities find virus in

Brazilian chicken wings,

Ecuadorian shrimp packaging

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-shenzhen-idUSKCN25902B?taid=5f34ffe4d7d51b000163612a (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-shenzhen-idUSKCN25902B?taid=5f34ffe4d7d51b000163612a&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter)

[boutons_deux]

I could be wrong. Things could pick up again with schools starting, but eventually the virus will burn out like it did in some of the northeastern states. But the virus will be around every year. We have to hope that it will turn out to be similar to other coronaviruses we have now which usually are nothing more than cold symptoms.

Trump-Made Pandemic didn't "burn out" in the Northeast.

It is still present, infecting, damaging, and killing people,

but at much lower numbers than March/April, much lower than the fucking Confederacy,

due to people complying with control measures from competent government.

The common coronaviruses were, are never as fatal as C19, didn't burn out and down to something less virulent

[Winehole23]

CD4 T-cell cross reactivity to SARS-CoV-2 in unexposed people


AbstractMany unknowns exist about human immune responses to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. SARS-CoV-2 reactive CD4+ T cells have been reported in unexposed individuals, suggesting pre-existing cross-reactive T cell memory in 20-50% of people. However, the source of those T cells has been speculative. Using human blood samples derived before the SARS-CoV-2 virus was discovered in 2019, we mapped 142 T cell epitopes across the SARS-CoV-2 genome to facilitate precise interrogation of the SARS-CoV-2-specific CD4+ T cell repertoire. We demonstrate a range of pre-existing memory CD4+ T cells that are cross-reactive with comparable affinity to SARS-CoV-2 and the common cold coronaviruses HCoV-OC43, HCoV-229E, HCoV-NL63, or HCoV-HKU1. Thus, variegated T cell memory to coronaviruses that cause the common cold may underlie at least some of the extensive heterogeneity observed in COVID-19 disease.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/04/science.abd3871.full

[DarrinS]

That's a fairly large percentage with preexisting immunity

[Winehole23]

That's a fairly large percentage with preexisting immunityFuck the other 50-80%, amirite?

[boutons_deux]

"That's a fairly large percentage with preexisting immunity"

carriers with "some" immunity but carrying a virus load can, I guess, run around and infect people with no immunity.

but the pandemic isn't serious, back to work, back to school, caution, better sorry than safe, no masks, no distancing, no testing.

America, Fuck Yeah!

[Winehole23]

Changxa comes through with 40,000 surgical masks for Annapolis


The City of Annapolis has received an unexpected donation during the coronavirus pandemic from a benefactor half a world away.




The municipal government of Changsha, China has donated 40,000 medical-grade face masks to the city, said Kevin Simmons, director of the city’s Office of Emergency Management.


A representative from the Chinese city’s foreign affairs office, Yani Xiao, wrote to City Manager David Jarrell in April stating that they wanted to send a donation of masks in part because of an existing relationship with former Assistant City Manager Bob Agee and other Annapolis residents.




“Because Changsha and Annapolis are friendship cities/twin cities, we should stand firmly with each other and support each other,” Xiao wrote. “Annapolis is not alone in this crisis and we are a community with a shared future for mankind.”


https://www.capitalgazette.com/maryland/annapolis/ac-cn-changsha-masks-donation-annapolis-20200812-20200811-fkiosk57ivamxeuxosd6mdcwhe-story.html

[DarrinS]

That's a fairly large percentage with preexisting immunity


Fuck the other 50-80%, amirite?


That's how you interpreted my post? Smh

[Winehole23]

That's how you interpreted my post? Smhall you seem to care about is your own ass and COVID-19 happy talk, tbh

[DarrinS]

Next time, I'll just click the like button

[ElNono]

2nd ICE detainee in Georgia dies from Covid-19 complications
The preliminary cause of death was “cardiopulmonary arrest, secondary to complications of the coronavirus disease," officials said.

LUMPKIN, Ga. — A diabetic Costa Rican man in federal immigration custody has become the second detainee in Georgia to die from Covid-19 complications after being held at a detention center that has reported more than 150 coronavirus cases.

Jose Guillen-Vega, 70, died Monday night at a Columbus hospital, according to a news release from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The preliminary cause of death was “cardiopulmonary arrest, secondary to complications of the coronavirus disease," officials said Wednesday. He had been hospitalized since Aug. 1.

County Coroner Sybil Ammons said Guillen-Vega also suffered from diabetes and hypertension, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

Guillen-Vega was awaiting deportation and housed at Stewart Detention Center in Lumpkin. The facility has seen six deaths in the last three years, including one other death connected to Covid-19, according to immigrant rights advocates. Stewart detainee and Guatemala native Santiago Baten-Oxlaj, 34, died from the virus in May. The detention center had 154 confirmed coronavirus cases among detainees as of Tuesday.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/13/georgia-ice-detainee-dies-coronavirus-394714

[boutons_deux]

What Scientists Know About Airborne Transmission of the New Coronavirus

Aerosol experts, from engineers to doctors, weigh in on the ability of tiny droplets to transmit the virus that causes COVID-19

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-scientists-know-about-airborne-transmission-new-coronavirus-180975547 (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-scientists-know-about-airborne-transmission-new-coronavirus-180975547/?utm_source=smithsoniandaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200812-daily-responsive&spMailingID=43185012&spUserID=NjY0ODU0NTQ2Mzk1S0&spJobID=1821034426&spReportId=MTgyMTAzNDQyNgS2)

[boutons_deux]

Religion makes you FUCKING STUPID and makes you vote stupidly for Repugs

Christian parent warns school district that wearing masks is a ‘pagan ritual of satanic worshipers’

Wisconsin’s Elmbrook School District is fully reopening for the coming school year —

a decision that was expectedly met with criticism. Nevertheless, the school is

requiring students to wear masks while on campus,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/watch-christian-parent-warns-school-district-that-wearing-masks-is-a-pagan-ritual-of-satanic-worshipers/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/watch-christian-parent-warns-school-district-that-wearing-masks-is-a-pagan-ritual-of-satanic-worshipers/)

[spurraider21]

:lmao

1293979729402494977

[tholdren]

Fuck the other 50-80%, amirite?

Ifr lower than flu

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MiltonWolfMD/status/1292111858309136385

lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1294043723068780544

lolol

[tholdren]

Cdc telling people how bad flu season er covid season going to be lolookolloll

[Blake]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1294043723068780544

lolol

It's like you're down 88-3 and you're spiking the football after your kicker made the fg

[Blake]

Cdc telling people how bad flu season er covid season going to be lolookolloll

Gossip

[TSA]

It's like you're down 88-3 and you're spiking the football after your kicker made the fg

It’s like you’re an idiot that somehow thinks I posted this as some sort of W.

[Blake]

It’s like you’re an idiot that somehow thinks I posted this as some sort of W.

K, why'd you post it?

[TSA]

K, why'd you post it?

It’s laughable and outright pathetic to misrepresent data like that so I posted it. You done?

[tholdren]

A survey in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report showed that a wide group of Americans have experienced difficulties with mental health since the coronavirus lockdown began: 31 percent said they experienced anxiety or depression, 26 percent said they experienced trauma disorders like PTSD, and 13 percent said they had began or increased their level of substance abuse. Almost 11 percent of respondents said they considered suicide in the past month. The survey, completed by 5,400 people in late June, showed levels distress far higher than last year, with symptoms of anxiety three times as high and depression four times as high as the second quarter of 2019.


Lockdown causing more harm than good.

Sadly trump right

[Blake]

It’s laughable and outright pathetic to misrepresent data like that so I posted it. You done?

The chart was admittedly confusing but there was no obvious intent to mislead anyone and he quickly cleared it up.

It's laughable you're not done with this nothing burger. It seems like you're doing a message board touchdown dance in a place where you're getting mercilessly shit on.

K, I think I'm done now. :tu

[TSA]

The chart was admittedly confusing but there was no obvious intent to mislead anyone and he quickly cleared it up. :rollin


It's laughable you're not done with this nothing burger. It seems like you're doing a message board touchdown dance in a place where you're getting mercilessly shit on.

K, I think I'm done now. :tuYou of all people to bring up getting shit on mercilessly :lmao

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Cucked_zpsnfff8pmw.png

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Cuck_zps7syeypjv.png

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn188/DJR210/Blake%20Masterpiece2_zpsvpvct7io.jpg

K, I think I’m done now. :bobo

[Blake]

:lol tsa going full Costanza jerk store mode.

[TSA]

:lol tsa going full Costanza jerk store mode.

You teed it up for me. At least you got lucky and bumped this to a new page :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao bookmarks

[Blake]

You teed it up for me. At least you got lucky and bumped this to a new page :lol

:lol swing away, Costanza.

[Spurtacular]

:lol swing away, Costanza.

At least Costanza was smart enough to realize that he doesn't have hand, board cuckold.

[Blake]

At least Costanza was smart enough to realize that he doesn't have hand, board cuckold.

:lol no he wasn't, board retard.

[Spurtacular]

:lol no he wasn't, board retard.

Right again, board cuckold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBXwfmUpHOA

[boutons_deux]

Dying young:

The health care workers in their 20s

killed by COVID-19

In our database of 167 confirmed front-line worker (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/aug/05/lost-on-the-frontline-covid-19-coronavirus-us-healthcare-workers-deaths-database) deaths,

21 medical staffers, or 13% of the total, were under 40, and

eight (5%) fatalities were under 30.

The median age of a COVID-19 death in the general population is 78 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm),

while the median age of health care worker deaths in the database is 57.

This is in part because we are, by definition, including only people of working age who were treating patients during the pandemic —

but it is also because, as health workers, they are far more exposed to the virus.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-ed-by-19/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5187

[RandomGuy]

[I fap to cuck porn and fantasize about people here on teh board]

icky.

[Spurtacular]

Get a hold of yourself.

[tholdren]

Dying young:

The health care workers in their 20s

killed by COVID-19

In our database of 167 confirmed front-line worker (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/aug/05/lost-on-the-frontline-covid-19-coronavirus-us-healthcare-workers-deaths-database) deaths,

21 medical staffers, or 13% of the total, were under 40, and

eight (5%) fatalities were under 30.

The median age of a COVID-19 death in the general population is 78 (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm),

while the median age of health care worker deaths in the database is 57.

This is in part because we are, by definition, including only people of working age who were treating patients during the pandemic —

but it is also because, as health workers, they are far more exposed to the virus.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/dying-young-the-health-care-workers-in-their-20s-ed-by-19/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5187

?

[tholdren]

90 pct of covid deaths have not tested pos for c9vid. Lol

[ElNono]

90 pct of covid deaths have not tested pos for c9vid. Lol

gossip and wrong

[tholdren]

90 pct of covid deaths have not tested pos for c9vid. Lol

factz

[pgardn]

90 pct of covid deaths have not tested pos for c9vid. Lol

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-deaths-us-could-avoided-by-social-distancing-sooner-experts-2020-4

Here's where he got this and changed the lines.

90% of Covid deaths could have be avoided if...

[tholdren]

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-deaths-us-could-avoided-by-social-distancing-sooner-experts-2020-4

Here's where he got this and changed the lines.

90% of Covid deaths could have be avoided if...

That has nothing ro so with over 90 pct of covid deaths reported being unverified.


Keep trying to scare people.

Healthy people not dying

/thread

[pgardn]

That has nothing ro so with over 90 pct of covid deaths reported being unverified.


Keep trying to scare people.

Healthy people not dying

/thread

So thats NOT where you got your statement?

[Winehole23]

art of the steal

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-white-house-paid-up-to-500-million-too-much-for-these-ventilators-congressional-investigators-say (https://www.propublica.org/article/the-white-house-paid-up-to-500-million-too-much-for-these-ventilators-congressional-investigators-say?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)

[hater]

Damn

China :wow

Wuhqn nonetheless :lmao

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1295255907488526336?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1295345558270488577?s=19

[hater]

Communism :tu

[hater]

The world vs Wuhan. :lmao

https://twitter.com/dagoherediar/status/1295388470156750848?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/dav_s_/status/1295383551429484545?s=19

[hater]

Meanwhile in the West

https://twitter.com/CitizenAnalyst/status/1295471520035360768?s=19

[Blake]

Meanwhile in the West

https://twitter.com/CitizenAnalyst/status/1295471520035360768?s=19

Lol "draconian" "nightmare"

It's a mask.

[Spurtacular]

Lol "draconian" "nightmare"

It's a mask.

It might help to know what the word means.

[boutons_deux]

Trump's death cult crippling local public health agencies,
dooming COVID-19 fight

The complete dysfunction at the national level in responding to the coronavirus crisis has, predictably, trickled down to the state and local level.

A joint investigation by the Associated Press and Kaiser Health News (https://apnews.com/33228796a8a66a50546c9e3ddacfef1b?utm_source=Twitte r&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow) looked at how the $150 billion state and local government Coronavirus Relief Fund included in March's CARE Act has been implemented, and it's damning.

One example:

In Minneapolis, Minnesota Health Commissioner Gretchen Musicant just this month received $1.7 million—the first money her department has seen from the funds.

That's $4 per resident of the city. “It’s more a hope and a prayer that we’ll have enough money,”

Meanwhile, the Minnesota Zoo got $6 million and
a debt collection company in Minnesota got at least $5 million in a Paycheck Protection Program loan.

The Trump administration and the Republican-controlled Senate were far

more interested in protecting jobs and the economy than protecting American lives,

and opted to short-change public health.

“We are never going to get ahead of the pandemic response if we are still handicapped.”

"the states, territories and 154 large cities and counties that received allotments from the $150 billion Coronavirus Relief Fund reported spending only 25% of it."

Part of the problem is the fact that the Trump administration didn't offer final guidance on how states could actually spend the money

until late in June.

So since the end of June, more of the money has likely been allocated and spent.

The Republican-controlled Senate (always fucking shit up) threw the legislature into turmoil,

refusing to work with the Democratic-controlled House and

not allowing Gov. Tim Walz's plan to divvy up the funds based on need and sending them to the places that had the highest levels of infection.

As of mid-July in Missouri, "at least 50 local health departments had yet to receive any of the federal money they requested."

there is such a circuitous path for

the funding—which was absolutely intended by Congress to go to testing and contact tracing and fighting the virus—

is another big part of the problem.

There are too many decision-makers along the way to public health officers at the local level, and politics get in the way.

made much worse by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's and Trump's absolute refusal to provide general funding to state and local governments.

Some could be hoarding it now because they think McConnell and Trump won't allow any more funding.

People are dying.

The people who are supposed to help keep people from dying are blocked by other public officials who are part of Trump's death cult.

There's not enough funding for anything beyond public health.

That includes schools, which are now reopening without adequate funding to combat coronavirus because, again, death cult.

Republicans’ long-term project to make sure government can't function is working.

And it's going to cause the needless death of thousands more Americans.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1968654

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0

[tholdren]

Ifr dropping by the minute

[ElNono]

^^^ more gossip

[tholdren]

^^^ more gossip

nope cdc released data

[ElNono]

nope cdc released data

more gossip

[tholdren]

Cdc covid data tracker

Your fake data in context

[hater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Z6wdu1eI0

Herd immunity is impossible

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118004745_3220883144624640_8185056472956937960_n.p ng?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=lh35IHwPn8AAX9DhZyt&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=0b022b34eec1eb0a65c577b89b7c2cee&oe=5F62BC0A

[Blake]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/118004745_3220883144624640_8185056472956937960_n.p ng?_nc_cat=1&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=lh35IHwPn8AAX9DhZyt&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=0b022b34eec1eb0a65c577b89b7c2cee&oe=5F62BC0A

BUT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE UNDERREPORTING AND DON'T TEST LIKE WE DO

[Winehole23]

oops

1296103976262221824

[boutons_deux]

Evidence grows that children may play a larger role in transmission than previously believed


Latest study is small but shows that

kids’ rates of infection and viral loads may make them silent spreaders.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/20/children-coronavirus-spread-transmission/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

[tholdren]

Evidence grows that children may play a larger role in transmission than previously believed


Latest study is small but shows that

kids’ rates of infection and viral loads may make them silent spreaders.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/20/children-coronavirus-spread-transmission/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most


All three studies were small and contradicted one another in some details, so researchers said they could not draw any definitive conclusions based on any one of them alone. But taken together, they paint a worrisome new picture of children’s role in the pandemic.


Lololololollol

[Winehole23]

The relationship between climatic factors and COVID‐19 cases in New South Wales, Australia was investigated during both the exponential and declining phases of the epidemic in 2020, and in different regions. Increased relative humidity was associated with decreased cases in both epidemic phases, and a consistent negative relationship was found between relative humidity and cases. Overall, a decrease in relative humidity of 1% was associated with an increase in cases of 7–8%. Overall, we found no relationship with between cases and temperature, rainfall or wind speed. Information generated in this study confirms humidity as a driver of SARS‐CoV‐2 transmission.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/tbed.13766

[Winehole23]

“This virus has already spread all over Indonesia. What we are doing is basically herd immunity,” said Prijo Sidipratomo, dean of the Faculty of Medicine at the National Veterans Development University in Jakarta. “So, we should just dig many, many graves.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-indonesia-insight-idUSKCN25G02J

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration bars FDA from regulating some laboratory tests,

including for coronavirus

Some public health experts worry defective tests could end up on the market

Trump administration this week blocked the Food and Drug Administration from regulating a broad swath of laboratory tests, including for the coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2), in a move strongly opposed by the agency.

The new policy stunned many health experts and laboratories because of its timing, several months into a pandemic.

Some public health experts warned

the shift could result in unreliable coronavirus tests on the market,

potentially worsening the testing crisis that has dogged the United States if more people get erroneous results.
They argued the change is unlikely to solve current testing problems, which at this point are largely due to shortages of supplies such as swabs and chemical reagents.

The change in policy came as a surprise to many at the FDA and was a point of intense disagreement between HHS Secretary Alex Azar and FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn.

Hahn vociferously opposed the change, arguing the agency has the authority to regulate laboratory-developed tests during a public health emergency like the current pandemic,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/20/trump-fda-tests-coronavirus/

unregulated, untested, unapproved tests, perfect MISgovernance, PERFECT for scammers

And what about Trash saying LESS testing is good because it means less infections found?

Trash allowed 100+ different tests back in March, CDC found only 10 were accurate enough.

[tholdren]

Trump administration bars FDA from regulating some laboratory tests,

including for coronavirus

Some public health experts worry defective tests could end up on the market

Trump administration this week blocked the Food and Drug Administration from regulating a broad swath of laboratory tests, including for the coronavirus (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/28/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2), in a move strongly opposed by the agency.

The new policy stunned many health experts and laboratories because of its timing, several months into a pandemic.

Some public health experts warned

the shift could result in unreliable coronavirus tests on the market,

potentially worsening the testing crisis that has dogged the United States if more people get erroneous results.
They argued the change is unlikely to solve current testing problems, which at this point are largely due to shortages of supplies such as swabs and chemical reagents.

The change in policy came as a surprise to many at the FDA and was a point of intense disagreement between HHS Secretary Alex Azar and FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn.

Hahn vociferously opposed the change, arguing the agency has the authority to regulate laboratory-developed tests during a public health emergency like the current pandemic,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/08/20/trump-fda-tests-coronavirus/

unregulated, untested, unapproved tests, perfect MISgovernance, PERFECT for scammers

And what about Trash saying LESS testing is good because it means less infections found?

Trash allowed 100+ different tests back in March, CDC found only 10 were accurate enough.




cdc contaminated the tests originally. And stated millions would die. And here we are.

[tholdren]

You literally have a higher chance of death by the asteroid than covid.

Hide

NASA says there are three potential impacts, but "based on 21 observations spanning 12.968 days," the agency has determined the asteroid probably -- phew! -- won't have a deep impact, let alone bring Armageddon.

The chance of it hitting us is just 0.41%, data show

[weebo]

You literally have a higher chance of death by the asteroid than covid.

Hide

NASA says there are three potential impacts, but "based on 21 observations spanning 12.968 days," the agency has determined the asteroid probably -- phew! -- won't have a deep impact, let alone bring Armageddon.

The chance of it hitting us is just 0.41%, data show

Why does anybody keep arguing with this Q-turd anyway? Most of his info is QAnus garbage.

[ElNono]

You literally have a higher chance of death by the asteroid than covid.

Hide

NASA says there are three potential impacts, but "based on 21 observations spanning 12.968 days," the agency has determined the asteroid probably -- phew! -- won't have a deep impact, let alone bring Armageddon.

The chance of it hitting us is just 0.41%, data show

Wrong, and this proves again you suck at math and statistics.

Under your premise Earth would be in the 'infected' group since it can't prevent getting constantly hit by space objects (there's no mask or social distancing available there, the closest we have is an always-on atmosphere burning up smaller objects).

The current infected to death ratio for covid in the US sits at: 180,166 / 5,840,869 * 100 = 3.08%... that's over 7 times your 0.41%...

[baseline bum]

Why does anybody keep arguing with this Q-turd anyway? Most of his info is QAnus garbage.

I want to block him again but then occasionally he says shit so stupid it's actually funny

[ElNono]

Why does anybody keep arguing with this Q-turd anyway? Most of his info is QAnus garbage.

There's nothing to argue about, tbh... he's 100% wrong

[tholdren]

Why does anybody keep arguing with this Q-turd anyway? Most of his info is QAnus garbage.

Bwahahahahhahaha
0 hospitals over capacity.
Lololiloo

[tholdren]

Wrong, and this proves again you suck at math and statistics.

Under your premise Earth would be in the 'infected' group since it can't prevent getting constantly hit by space objects (there's no mask or social distancing available there, the closest we have is an always-on atmosphere burning up smaller objects).

The current infected to death ratio for covid in the US sits at: 180,166 / 5,840,869 * 100 = 3.08%... that's over 7 times your 0.41%...

Thats called cfr. That is only identified cases. That is not applicable. We are dealing with probability of catching and then dying from virus. Which is lower than flu. Lower than asteroid

Also your cfr is inflated because you include probable cases and unverified deaths.
.

Your math bad bro

[ElNono]

Thats called cfr. That is only identified cases. That is not applicable.

:lmao so you're saying your metaphor doesn't apply AND you suck at math too... ok

Keep gossiping though.

[tholdren]

:lmao so you're saying your metaphor doesn't apply AND you suck at math too... ok

Keep gossiping though.

You are not using real stats or probability appropriately. Not everyone gets the virus. Lol. Which is what you are trying to argue in that case.

[tholdren]

You are not using real stats or probability appropriately. Not everyone gets the virus. Lol. Which is what you are trying to argue in that case.
But you disregarded hundreds of million in your argument. Lolololool

[ElNono]

You are not using real stats or probability appropriately. Not everyone gets the virus. Lol. Which is what you are trying to argue in that case.

Of course I'm using real stats and probability correctly. I'm actually using much better stats and odds than your asteroid example.

But, go ahead, let's see your math...

[clambake]

:lmao so you're saying your metaphor doesn't apply AND you suck at math too... ok

Keep gossiping though.

Lol

[tholdren]

Of course I'm using real stats and probability correctly. I'm actually using much better stats and odds than your asteroid example.

But, go ahead, let's see your math...

bwahahahhahahahahah

No. You left out the odds of contracting covid. Lolololl

[ElNono]

bwahahahhahahahahah

No. You left out the odds of contracting covid. Lolololl

:lmao here's the foldren again... .show us your math

[tholdren]

:lmao here's the foldren again... .show us your math

El nono bwhahahhahahahahhahahahahah doesn't know what ifr is. LololIoololoololoooooooolllllllll

Now trying to hide because he realized he was wrong.

Quick what is my probability of dying from the disease? Now tell me what my probability from dying of the disease is if I contracted covid....


Oh. There's a difference. Lol

You and RandomGuy. Refund for education

[baseline bum]

:lmao here's the foldren again... .show us your math

he never will because he's just a parrot

[ElNono]

El nono bwhahahhahahahahhahahahahah doesn't know what ifr is. LololIoololoololoooooooolllllllll

Now trying to hide because he realized he was wrong.

Quick what is my probability of dying from the disease? Now tell me what my probability from dying of the disease is if I contracted covid....

Oh. There's a difference. Lol

You and RandomGuy. Refund for education

:lol folded AND meltdown now

Let's proceed with the foldren rodeo...

[ElNono]

he never will because he's just a parrot

yup

[tholdren]

he never will because he's just a parrot

You can easily use cdc ifr. Its not as accurate as my data, but its equivalent to your proceed numbers.


Astroid higher death probability than covid.

[ElNono]

You can easily use cdc ifr. Its not as accurate as my data, but its equivalent to your proceed numbers.

Astroid higher death probability than covid.

Wrong. Show your math.

[baseline bum]

:lol folded AND meltdown now

Let's proceed with the foldren rodeo...

this meltdown is the best part of his day though, kind of feel bad for the little trumptard

[ElNono]

this meltdown is the best part of his day though, kind of feel bad for the little trumptard

:lol

[tholdren]

Wrong. Show your math.

"The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data" by John Ioannidis
Doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253

[ElNono]

"The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data" by John Ioannidis
Doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed.

We'll look at it once it's been peer reviewed. Now show YOUR math.

[tholdren]

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed.

We'll look at it once it's been peer reviewed. Now show YOUR math.

Cdc uses some of the same data in their explanation of ifr.

[ElNono]

Cdc uses some of the same data in their explanation of ifr.

gossip... let's see your math

[ChumpDumper]

my data:rollin

[Blake]

This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed.

We'll look at it once it's been peer reviewed. Now show YOUR math.

:lol true gossip piece

[boutons_deux]

Study Finds Extremely High Levels Of Covid Virus In Children’s Airways

researchers provide critical data showing that children play a larger role in the community spread of COVID-19 than previously thought.

the viral loads of these hospitalized patients are significantly lower than a ‘healthy child’ who is walking around with a high SARS-CoV-2 viral load.”

Transmissibility or risk of contagion is greater with a high viral load.

carry implications for the reopening of schools, daycare centers and other locations with a high density of children and close interaction with teachers and staff members.

https://scienceblog.com/518060/study-finds-extremely-high-levels-of-covid-virus-in-childrens-airways/

[Reck]

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Yikes.

FrostKing (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51741) There is your silent majority and Trump hidden vote. :lol

There is no such thing. They're all out in the open.

[ChumpDumper]

1297547642961002497

Yikes.

FrostKing (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51741) There is your silent majority and Trump hidden vote. :lol

There is no such thing. They're all out in the open.Death cult.

Every single Trump supporter here is a member.

[Will Hunting]

1297547642961002497

Yikes.

FrostKing (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51741) There is your silent majority and Trump hidden vote. :lol

There is no such thing. They're all out in the open.
The other 43% are worse in my book. They lie to pollsters and say they think it's unacceptable but they rationalize it and still support Trump + the party that's cratered the economy twice now in the last 15 years. At least the 57% are honest card carrying Trumptards.

[Ef-man]

1297547642961002497

Yikes.

FrostKing (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51741) There is your silent majority and Trump hidden vote. :lol

There is no such thing. They're all out in the open.


Damn, and they were outraged when they created rumor of Affordable Health Care Act Death Panels.

Who knew that they really, really, really supported the idea of death panels.

A bibgly YIKES to that!

[Winehole23]

The other 43% are worse in my book. They lie to pollsters and say they think it's unacceptable but they rationalize it and still support Trump + the party that's cratered the economy twice now in the last 15 years. At least the 57% are honest card carrying Trumptards.2008 was only 12 years ago

[Will Hunting]

2008 was only 12 years ago
Rounded up to the nearest 5, doesn't really matter.

It baffles me why there aren't any ads reminding people that the last two Republican presidents have cratered the economy. Just imagine how much Republicans would use it as a talking point of Clinton + Obama both ended their term with America in a recession.

[Reck]

The other 43% are worse in my book. They lie to pollsters and say they think it's unacceptable but they rationalize it and still support Trump + the party that's cratered the economy twice now in the last 15 years. At least the 57% are honest card carrying Trumptards.

That’s a bit unfair.

You have to think most of that 43% are the disaffected republicans. The Lincoln Project and Winehole types who think their party is being led into oblivion by a retard who can barely read.

[Will Hunting]

That’s a bit unfair.

You have to think most of that 43% are the disaffected republicans. The Lincoln Project and Winehole types who think their party is being led into oblivion by a retard who can barely read.
Dude, how are they all disaffected when every poll I've seen shows that at least 80% of registered Republicans plan to vote for Trump? If 43% of all Republicans genuinely thought the death count was unacceptable, Biden would be winning in a historic landslide.

They either don't really think it's acceptable or they think it's unacceptable but not a big enough deal to make them throw away a chance to trigger da libs.

[Blake]

1297547642961002497

Yikes.

FrostKing (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51741) There is your silent majority and Trump hidden vote. :lol

There is no such thing. They're all out in the open.

BUT BUT I'M TIRED OF BOTH SIDES FIGHTING ABOUT IT

Fucking shit

[Winehole23]

Rounded up to the nearest 5, doesn't really matter.

It baffles me why there aren't any ads reminding people that the last two Republican presidents have cratered the economy. Just imagine how much Republicans would use it as a talking point of Clinton + Obama both ended their term with America in a recession.We're through the looking glass, Trump is our shitty Napoleon, he can do no wrong.

Gonna be a lot of ugly tabletop busts and Trump escutcheons.

https://www.ebay.com/i/292947366907?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

https://www.ebay.com/i/264717004365?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

[Blake]

The other 43% are worse in my book. They lie to pollsters and say they think it's unacceptable but they rationalize it and still support Trump + the party that's cratered the economy twice now in the last 15 years. At least the 57% are honest card carrying Trumptards.

I'm hoping some of those 43%ers are Lincoln Project people

[Will Hunting]

I'm hoping some of those 43%ers are Lincoln Project people
I'm sure they are, just not a very big portion of them. I don't mean to lash out at Reck, it's just gotten annoying hearing "Don't judge Republicans on Trump, a lot of them are good!" At least 4 out of every 5 of them are going to vote for Trump again, and in their mind cheating to win the election is perfectly OK. The Republican Party has become the party of Trump, creating economic crises, and voter suppression. That's all there is to is.

[Reck]

Dude, how are they all disaffected when every poll I've seen shows that at least 80% of registered Republicans plan to vote for Trump? If 43% of all Republicans genuinely thought the death count was unacceptable, Biden would be winning in a historic landslide.

They either don't really think it's acceptable or they think it's unacceptable but not a big enough deal to make them throw away a chance to trigger da libs.

Maybe I shouldn’t have said “most.”

If 10-15 percent of them are actual good people that can be persuaded, we are in good shape in November.

[Blake]

I think there are enough Republicans that are still more terrified of liberal Democrats than they are of Trump to carry him. I think we see the microcosm of it on this board. It's mind numbing.

[Will Hunting]

Maybe I shouldn’t have said “most.”

If 10-15 percent of them are actual good people that can be persuaded, we are in good shape in November.
Depends on what state they're in. I have no doubt a huge chunk of the Republicans in Orange County are going to vote for Biden, but that won't matter.

As much as Karrin claims cases are going down in the Sunbelt, they're starting to spike again in the Midwest. We'll see what ramifications that's going to have.

[Blake]

Depends on what state they're in. I have no doubt a huge chunk of the Republicans in Orange County are going to vote for Biden, but that won't matter.

As much as Karrin claims cases are going down in the Sunbelt, they're starting to spike again in the Midwest. We'll see what ramifications that's going to have.

Apparently Republican voters just don't give a shit about covid any more. Especially since the deaths seem to mostly be happening to minorites and great grandpa that costs money to keep alive in det nursing home.

[boutons_deux]

Apparently Republican voters just don't give a shit about covid any more.

57% Of Republicans Say Trump Killing Over 170,000 Americans Is Acceptable


https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/23/republicans-trump-virus-deaths-acceptable.html (https://www.politicususa.com/2020/08/23/republicans-trump-virus-deaths-acceptable.html)

[DMC]

1297547642961002497

Yikes.

FrostKing (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51741) There is your silent majority and Trump hidden vote. :lol

There is no such thing. They're all out in the open.

How many deaths are acceptable? I asked this months ago and got a song and dance from the left.

[DMC]

Maybe I shouldn’t have said “most.”

If 10-15 percent of them are actual good people that can be persuaded, we are in good shape in November.

Virtue signaling in full swing.

85% of Republicans are bad people. It's good vs evil again, we're back to the year 2001.

[Will Hunting]

Apparently Republican voters just don't give a shit about covid any more. Especially since the deaths seem to mostly be happening to minorites and great grandpa that costs money to keep alive in det nursing home.
Really shouldn't be much of a surprise. The overarching principle of the conservatism is individualism above all else. The way they've handled COVID-19 is just another example of that. They view a lack of compassion and empathy as a virtue, which is why they like Trump so much. Seeing a sociopath who's gone his entire life willing to destroy everything and everyone in his path to get what he wants is their view of strength and leadership.

[DMC]

Really shouldn't be much of a surprise. The overarching principle of the conservatism is individualism above all else. The way they've handled COVID-19 is just another example of that. They view a lack of compassion and empathy as a virtue, which is why they like Trump so much. Seeing a sociopath who's gone his entire life willing to destroy everything and everyone in his path to get what he wants is their view of strength and leadership.

Capitalism and individualism go hand in hand. When individualism creates negative impact on capitalism, it will self correct unless artificial measures are taken to buff or nerf the effects.

[Will Hunting]

Capitalism and individualism go hand in hand. When individualism creates negative impact on capitalism, it will self correct unless artificial measures are taken to buff or nerf the effects.
Thanks for the fortune cookie wisdom.

[DMC]

Thanks for the fortune cookie wisdom.

Too big for a bumper sticker

But socialism is also selfish, just not individualism driven. People want to be able to fail comfortably and that's a selfish notion. They want group-think, and to disperse the cost of their failure with a large group to minimize the impact they feel. On the other hand, the capitalist takes risks and can fail and be punished for it, but also rewarded for success. Nerf success, buff failure, that's socialism, that's selfish just as is capitalism.

[Will Hunting]

Too big for a bumper sticker

But socialism is also selfish, just not individualism driven. People want to be able to fail comfortably and that's a selfish notion. They want group-think, and to disperse the cost of their failure with a large group to minimize the impact they feel. On the other hand, the capitalist takes risks and can fail and be punished for it, but also rewarded for success. Nerf success, buff failure, that's socialism, that's selfish just as is capitalism.
More fortune cookie wisdom.

If present day America is capitalism and New Deal era America is socialism, give me socialism every time.

[ChumpDumper]

Too big for a bumper sticker

But socialism is also selfish, just not individualism driven. People want to be able to fail comfortably and that's a selfish notion. They want group-think, and to disperse the cost of their failure with a large group to minimize the impact they feel. On the other hand, the capitalist takes risks and can fail and be punished for it, but also rewarded for success. Nerf success, buff failure, that's socialism, that's selfish just as is capitalism.Wow, corporate America isn't capitalist at all. Thanks for the confirmation.:tu

[Will Hunting]

Wow, corporate America isn't capitalist at all. Thanks for the confirmation.:tu
The idea that any corporation or individual is pure capitalist is ridiculous. Pretty sure Amazon would lose some value without the socialized roads and airports it gets to use for free.

[Will Hunting]

Elon Musk probably wouldn't be as successful either if not for the several million in blood diamond money he got from daddeh before he became a " self-made entrepreneur" in the US.

[tholdren]

Lol going from facts to gossiping

[ChumpDumper]

Elon Musk probably wouldn't be as successful either if not for the several million in blood diamond money he got from daddeh before he became a " self-made entrepreneur" in the US.We had to bribe him by keeping money from Austin's poorest Mexican students so he wouldn't take his show to -- [checks notes] -- Tulsa?

[Will Hunting]

We had to bribe him by keeping money from Austin's poorest Mexican students so he wouldn't take his show to -- [checks notes] -- Tulsa?
I used to like the guy, but he's shown himself to be every bit as much of a piece of shit as your typical American oligarch.

[tholdren]

no hospitals ever over capacity new york government killed more people than sweden.


Thread

[Blake]

no hospitals ever over capacity new york government killed more people than sweden.


Thread

You're lying

[Blake]

How many deaths are acceptable? I asked this months ago and got a song and dance from the left.

Zero deaths are acceptable, dumbass

[Blake]

But socialism is also selfish, just not individualism driven. People want to be able to fail comfortably and that's a selfish notion.

Oh you mean like Trump and big corporations

[tholdren]

Zero deaths are acceptable, dumbass

Loloooooolooooolkoollloo

[Blake]

Lol going from facts to gossiping

Yeah why do you do that?

[DMC]

More fortune cookie wisdom.

If present day America is capitalism and New Deal era America is socialism, give me socialism every time.

"The overarching principle of the conservatism is individualism above all else."

This isn't?

The ironic thing about socialism is it won't be given to you, you'll have to earn it.

[DMC]

Zero deaths are acceptable, dumbass

So then success was out the door the minute the 1st person died in China (I am assuming you also consider Chinese lives important).

[Will Hunting]

The ironic thing about socialism is it won't be given to you, you'll have to earn it.
:lmao more fortune cookie wisdom

[Winehole23]

"The overarching principle of the conservatism is individualism above all else."

This isn't?

The ironic thing about socialism is it won't be given to you, you'll have to earn it.Whereas the ironic thing about property is that it is basically legalized robbery.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen

[DMC]

Whereas the ironic thing about property is that it is basically legalized robbery.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen

As long as it's legal.

[DarrinS]

The anarchist library

[tholdren]

Pgardn going straight eugenics

[ElNono]

"The overarching principle of the conservatism is individualism above all else."

False. The overarching principle of conservatism is traditionalism.

[Winehole23]

The anarchist libraryProudhon is fun to read, you're missing out.

[Blake]

So then success was out the door the minute the 1st person died in China (I am assuming you also consider Chinese lives important).

Yeah China blew it.

[Spurtacular]

So then success was out the door the minute the 1st person died in China (I am assuming you also consider Chinese lives important).

Cuckolds like blake want to shut down and fuck up the economy. That should be your first hint that COVID is just another boogeyman.

Don't be a hanger-on.

[Winehole23]

As long as it's legal.custom hallows many crimes by assenting to common usage.

[DMC]

custom hallows many crimes by assenting to common usage.

Not a crime if it's legal. It's your term, not mine.

[DMC]

Cuckolds like blake want to shut down and fuck up the economy. That should be your first hint that COVID is just another boogeyman.

Don't be a hanger-on.

If I was to accept it's a boogeyman, OK, for the US due to the election. Explain how that affects other nations who have the same issues. Are they also trying to oust Trump?

[DMC]

False. The overarching principle of conservatism is traditionalism.

Tell Will Hunting, I quoted him.

Either way, they aren't mutually exclusive. Traditionally individualism was valued in the US.

[ElNono]

Tell Will Hunting, I quoted him.
Will Hunting

[Will Hunting]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032)
Yeah there's nothing traditional about wanting to privatize a service that's been public since this country was created. The only thing traditional about conservatism is wanting the country to be 90% white again.

[DMC]

Yeah there's nothing traditional about wanting to privatize a service that's been public since this country was created. The only thing traditional about conservatism is wanting the country to be 90% white again.

Low expectations. Good thing you're with "them".

[ElNono]

Yeah there's nothing traditional about wanting to privatize a service that's been public since this country was created. The only thing traditional about conservatism is wanting the country to be 90% white again.

There's nothing individualist about trashing the Postal Service either, tbh... what I was pointing out is that the core value of conservatives is retaining the status quo. We see this play out with marriage, religion, teh gays, etc...

What you're alluding to is the current make-pretend conservatives... which I would label 'Republicans' more than conservatives... those people don't really give two shits about conservatism, it's all about me, myself, and triggering dem libs

[Spurtacular]

If I was to accept it's a boogeyman, OK, for the US due to the election. Explain how that affects other nations who have the same issues. Are they also trying to oust Trump?

They all do tests that identify any ole coronavirus as COVID. Not to mention the tentacles of the people instituting this sham are not limited to states side.

[Will Hunting]

There's nothing individualist about trashing the Postal Service either, tbh... what I was pointing out is that the core value of conservatives is retaining the status quo. We see this play out with marriage, religion, teh gays, etc...

What you're alluding to is the current make-pretend conservatives... which I would label 'Republicans' more than conservatives... those people don't really give two shits about conservatism, it's all about me, myself, and triggering dem libs
There absolutely is..."I dont use the dem USPS so i dont want muh tax dollars funding it!"

On social issues they absolutely want to maintain the status quo. On economic issues they want whatever is best for rich people no matter what the current status quo is.

[ElNono]

I mean, would anybody call Trump a conservative? How about Ted Cruz, Gym Jordan, Mitch, etc? Do those guys strike you as christian conservatives?

Mike Pence is probably the closest thing I can think of in this administration.

[Will Hunting]

I mean, would anybody call Trump a conservative?
All the conservatives who voted for him would, for one.

[ElNono]

There absolutely is..."I dont use the dem USPS so i dont want muh tax dollars funding it!"

On social issues they absolutely want to maintain the status quo. On economic issues they want whatever is best for rich people no matter what the current status quo is.

But see, that's the boomer take, IMVHO. I think your typical conservative would be more upset at the USPS because they don't have a Jesus stamp on Xmas...

Like Kasich is a conservative through and through, but he's not an egoistical piece of shit.

[ElNono]

All the conservatives who voted for him would, for one.

I just can't call all those people conservatives though... some certainly are and were fooled. But at least come November, that gig is up.

[baseline bum]

I just can't call all those people conservatives though... some certainly are and were fooled. But at least come November, that gig is up.

No true Scotman fallacy there.

[ElNono]

No true Scotman fallacy there.

Not really. At least I attempted to describe the difference.

[DarrinS]

Yeah there's nothing traditional about wanting to privatize a service that's been public since this country was created. The only thing traditional about conservatism is wanting the country to be 90% white again.


Sounds like Portland and Seattle.

[DMC]

There's nothing individualist about trashing the Postal Service either, tbh... what I was pointing out is that the core value of conservatives is retaining the status quo. We see this play out with marriage, religion, teh gays, etc...

What you're alluding to is the current make-pretend conservatives... which I would label 'Republicans' more than conservatives... those people don't really give two shits about conservatism, it's all about me, myself, and triggering dem libs
Joe Biden is a traditional dem. OTOH Trump is not a traditional conservative. The GOP didn't want Trump, they got him anyhow. Now they are basically stuck with him if they want to remain in power and have a shot to replace RBG with someone of their liking. They don't have anyone that's not a caricature of a politician, much like the left. I get it that many here want an easy good vs bad dichotomy to better, lazily grasp and discuss the concepts but it's not that simple. Once Trump is gone the two sides will mend fences and shear the public together again.

[DarrinS]

Now do classical liberal vs. whatever this shit is that's destroying our cities.

[DMC]

They all do tests that identify any ole coronavirus as COVID. Not to mention the tentacles of the people instituting this sham are not limited to states side.

OK, so these countries should have a massive downturn in expected "other coronaviruses" cases then, since they were attributed to the 19 strain.

[Will Hunting]

Sounds like Portland and Seattle.
According to the 2010 census, Seattle is 66.3% non-hispanic white, and Portland was 72.2% non-hispanic white.

So no, goofball, it doesn't sound like Portland or Seattle at all.

[ChumpDumper]

According to the 2010 census, Seattle is 66.3% non-hispanic white, and Portland was 72.2% non-hispanic white.

So no, goofball, it doesn't sound like Portland or Seattle at all.Good lord he's a piece of shit.

[ElNono]

Now do classical liberal vs. whatever this shit is that's destroying our cities.

classical liberal was conservative without all the social baggage.

[ElNono]

Joe Biden is a traditional dem. OTOH Trump is not a traditional conservative. The GOP didn't want Trump, they got him anyhow. Now they are basically stuck with him if they want to remain in power and have a shot to replace RBG with someone of their liking. They don't have anyone that's not a caricature of a politician, much like the left. I get it that many here want an easy good vs bad dichotomy to better, lazily grasp and discuss the concepts but it's not that simple. Once Trump is gone the two sides will mend fences and shear the public together again.

Joe Biden is a traditional conservative, IMVHO. There's nothing liberal/progressive about old Joe.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post though.

[ElNono]

I should probably clarify that last statement a bit... sure, he preaches he cares about LGBTQ, and minorities, etc... I don't think he really does. It's what's convenient right now. There's no convictions there, like he does have for religion, for example.

[Will Hunting]

I should probably clarify that last statement a bit... sure, he preaches he cares about LGBTQ, and minorities, etc... I don't think he really does. It's what's convenient right now. There's no convictions there, like he does have for religion, for example.
Agreed. At heart Joe Biden is a bible thumping Delaware Dixiecrat. He's a social conservative, especially when it comes to abortion.

[spurraider21]

ah, the great individualism of capitalism, where a worker can be but a cog in somebody else's profiting machine

capitalism is crazy productive, the the fruits of that productivity are far too concentrated. keep the overarching system in place, tax it more, create a better safety net for the rest

[DarrinS]

Agreed. At heart Joe Biden is a bible thumping Delaware Dixiecrat. He's a social conservative, especially when it comes to abortion.

Kamala tried to cancel him, but,..., nevermind.

[DarrinS]

ah, the great individualism of capitalism, where a worker can be but a cog in somebody else's profiting machine

capitalism is crazy productive, the the fruits of that productivity are far too concentrated. keep the overarching system in place, tax it more, create a better safety net for the rest


All the heads of big tech are Democrats. Oh well.

[ChumpDumper]

All the heads of big tech are Democrats. Oh well.Also not in your zip code.

[spurraider21]

All the heads of big tech are Democrats. Oh well.
good for them. tax them more.

[Will Hunting]

good for them. tax them more.
Pretty much. I don't think very many people are saying take away the profit motive completely, just tax it more. If Jeff Bezos was worth $50 billion instead of $200 billion, does anyone really think he would have worked any less hard to build Amazon?

[spurraider21]

Pretty much. I don't think very many people are saying take away the profit motive completely, just tax it more. If Jeff Bezos was worth $50 billion instead of $200 billion, does anyone really think he would have worked any less hard to build Amazon?
and its not about paying more taxes just for the sake of taxing (hurr durr if you like higher taxes why dont you voluntarily pay more)... its having specific programs which will get their funding from it (healthcare, education subsidies, etc)

[ElNono]

and its not about paying more taxes just for the sake of taxing (hurr durr if you like higher taxes why dont you voluntarily pay more)... its having specific programs which will get their funding from it (healthcare, education subsidies, etc)

It's a slippery slope. The obvious next step is Amazon getting seized by government.

[Blake]

They all do tests that identify any ole coronavirus as COVID. Not to mention the tentacles of the people instituting this sham are not limited to states side.

Link?

[Spurtacular]

OK, so these countries should have a massive downturn in expected "other coronaviruses" cases then, since they were attributed to the 19 strain.

:lol You think they keep those kind of numbers?

How many times have you ever been diagnosed with a corona virus in your life?

[Spurtacular]

Link?

The link that you certfied that you're a cuckold?
You apparently begged for it to be removed. :lmao

[Blake]

The link that you certfied that you're a cuckold?
You apparently begged for it to be removed. :lmao

lol You think they keep those kind of numbers?

How many times have you ever been diagnosed with a corona virus in your life?

[Winehole23]

Not a crime if it's legal. It's your term, not mine.Law sanctifies custom, just so.

Do not the men who run it ever find opportunity to combine to rob the public of money and their own honest services as public men? Or slaughter unruly people in the street to keep the King's Peace?

[Winehole23]

from Hong Kong, asymptomatic

[hater]

Yup called it. Tye reinfection proves 2 things. There will NOT be a vacvine to erradicate it. Herd immunity is impossible. I called both :tu

Good news is that the reinfections will be less severe so as long as you had it already fairly recently u shud b good.

Elderly and sickly are fucked. We will be fucked when we get to 65 plus

[Will Hunting]

Yup called it. Tye reinfection proves 2 things. There will NOT be a vacvine to erradicate it. Herd immunity is impossible. I called both :tu

Good news is that the reinfections will be less severe so as long as you had it already fairly recently u shud b good.

Elderly and sickly are fucked. We will be fucked when we get to 65 plus
It’s not going to be herd immunity the way we had it with small pox, but it’ll eventually become another form of the common cold with extremely mild symptoms.

The reason we’re fucked is that these novel virus pandemics are going to be more frequent.

[DMC]

Law sanctifies custom, just so.

Do not the men who run it ever find opportunity to combine to rob the public of money and their own honest services as public men? Or slaughter unruly people in the street to keep the King's Peace?
Yeah you're on a whole other planet now.

Legal = lawful
I guess you want to legislate morality now?

[Blake]

Yup called it. Tye reinfection proves 2 things. There will NOT be a vacvine to erradicate it. Herd immunity is impossible. I called both :tu

Good news is that the reinfections will be less severe so as long as you had it already fairly recently u shud b good.

Elderly and sickly are fucked. We will be fucked when we get to 65 plus

They're fucked because Trump and Republicans want to open everything back up like normal.

And you're gonna vote for him.

[hater]

They're fucked because Trump and Republicans want to open everything back up like normal.

And you're gonna vote for him.

Im back on the fence tbh

Really a toss up who is worse. Kopmala corpse or penis Dump

I might abstain again

[Winehole23]

Yeah you're on a whole other planet now.

Legal = lawful
I guess you want to legislate morality now?Disagree with your premise, when was moralizing ever absent from legislation. :lol

[Blake]

Im back on the fence tbh

Really a toss up who is worse. Kopmala corpse or penis Dump

I might abstain again

Abstaining is a vote for Trump, tbh

[hater]

Abstaining is a vote for Trump, tbh

100% false

[Winehole23]

100% falsehater votes for chaos and rapidly cycled bullshit.

lol accelerationist hater
.

[hater]

hater votes for chaos and rapidly cycled bullshit.

lol accelerationist hater
.

Being on the fence between the 2 excrements that are the repugs and the demoshits is actually rhe sanest healthiest more reasonable position.

Only a complteley lunatic moronic piece lf shit would really root muche less join either team.

Tbqh

[Winehole23]

Being on the fence between the 2 excrements that are the repugs and the demoshits is actually rhe sanest healthiest more reasonable position.

Only a complteley lunatic moronic piece lf shit would really root muche less join either team.

Tbqhoh ur on the fence now?

are you overcoming your spite for Kagala and Zombie Biden?

[hater]

oh ur on the fence now?

are you overcoming your spite for Kagala and Zombie Biden?

No. Dont think so. I still dont see myself voting for them. But Dump is not doing himself any favors either. Im shooting Abstain unless som3thing big hapoens tbqh

[pgardn]

Yeah you're on a whole other planet now.

Legal = lawful
I guess you want to legislate morality now?

almost all of what we do with laws and legislation are grounded in Judeo Christian morality.
what planet are you from? The basic idea of individual liberty and fairness are moral principles.

again you try to turn very basic ideas upside down to get your W and end up pickling your brain.

[pgardn]

Yup called it. Tye reinfection proves 2 things. There will NOT be a vacvine to erradicate it. Herd immunity is impossible. I called both :tu

Good news is that the reinfections will be less severe so as long as you had it already fairly recently u shud b good.

Elderly and sickly are fucked. We will be fucked when we get to 65 plus

if the reinfection is less severe what do you think made it so?
can you say immune system? So you say a vaccine does not work when it might greatly lesson symptoms? That’s wrong

[boutons_deux]

Biogen conference likely led to 20,000 COVID-19 cases in Boston area, researchers say









The international meeting of Biogen leaders held in February at Boston’s Marriott Long Wharf hotel led to roughly
20,000 cases of COVID-19 in four Massachusetts counties by early May, far more than the 99 previously identified,

-- Boston Globe email

[Winehole23]

No. Dont think so. I still dont see myself voting for them. But Dump is not doing himself any favors either. Im shooting Abstain unless som3thing big hapoens tbqhYou think Trump is going to lose, so you got back on the fence.

(The cheap magic of having everything both ways is typically hater.)

[hater]

You think Trump is going to lose, so you got back on the fence.

(The cheap magic of having everything both ways is typically hater.)

Negatory and incorrect.

I called a trump win and sticking to that regardless.

I am on the fence only on my voting decision. Both options are complete shit.

[Dirks_Finale]

Yeezy is on the ballot ...maybe, depending on where you reside. :lol


Negatory and incorrect.

I called a trump win and sticking to that regardless.

I am on the fence only on my voting decision. Both options are complete shit.

[hater]

Yeezy is on the ballot ...maybe, depending on where you reside. :lol

:lol if he has a better VP he actually might be best if the 3 choices :lol

We are so fucked

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgRsb6AWoAAX50d?format=png&name=900x900

[Dirks_Finale]

Desperately need more independents. Allowing them into the debates would be a nice start. Clinton and Republicans killed all that noise after Perot raised too much hell in the 90's


:lol if he has a better VP he actually might be best if the 3 choices :lol

We are so fucked

[Winehole23]

Germany’s new coronavirus cases increased at a pace close to Saturday’s four-month high, while the infection rate fell below a key benchmark of 1.0.

There were 1,628 new infections in the 24 hours through Tuesday morning, taking the total to 236,122. The daily gain compared with 633 on Monday and 1,737 on Saturday, which was the most since late April. There was one fatality, lifting the overall number of deaths to 9,276.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-25/germany-s-new-coronavirus-infections-close-to-four-month-high

[Winehole23]

tourist season

1298160791712137217

[DarrinS]

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state.jpg

[Winehole23]

Great, now do morbidity

[Winehole23]

guillotine futures, tbh

1297920214600949761

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state.jpgTexas fucked up by opening your bar, Darrin.

[TimDunkem]

Texas fucked up by opening your bar, Darrin.
And he didn't even want to wear a mask.

[boutons_deux]

Fears of ‘spillover’ to vulnerable in Europe as Covid-19 surges among young

France recorded a new post-lockdown record of new Covid-19 cases on Sunday;

the virus has also bounced back in Spain, Italy and Germany.

a “second wave”.

However, the World Health Organization stated in July that this term is inaccurate and that

it would be preferable to describe Covid-19 as having “one big wave”,

seeing as the virus never went away and

does not follow seasonal variations like influenza pandemics, such as the 1918-20 Spanish flu.

“The fact that the proportion of positive tests is rising in Spain, France, Italy, Germany and the UK – and most sharply in Spain and France –

suggests a real increase in the incidence of infection in all these countries,”

Covid-19 is four times more prevalent among under 40s than among over 65s in France.

Most of the transmission is taking place at “festive” gatherings of young people without social-distancing measures,

In much of western Europe, “it is largely the younger groups who are out and about, mixing, taking advantage of the lockdowns being released”,

with gatherings of young people at “hospitality venues such as bars and at house parties”

responsible for a significant number of coronavirus clusters,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/fears-of-spillover-to-vulnerable-in-europe-as-19-surges-among-young/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[Blake]

No. Dont think so. I still dont see myself voting for them. But Dump is not doing himself any favors either. Im shooting Abstain unless som3thing big hapoens tbqh

Oh you mean something big like 200k people dying?

[hater]

Oh you mean something big like 200k people dying?

Ppl were gonna die regardless. Our country as a whole was not up to the task tbqh

Would less have died? Possibly but that ship has sailed

[ChumpDumper]

Ppl were gonna die regardless. Our country as a whole was not up to the task tbqh

Would less have died? Possibly but that ship has sailedSo you're considering rewarding Trump's failure.:tu

[hater]

So you're considering rewarding Trump's failure.:tu

Nope. Abstaining is not rewarding either side ma nig

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. Abstaining is not rewarding either side ma nigIt's tacit approval of the incumbent.

[hater]

It's tacit approval of the incumbent.

Gossip

[Blake]

Ppl were gonna die regardless. Our country as a whole was not up to the task tbqh

Would less have died? Possibly but that ship has sailed

The death ship is still sailing

[Blake]

Gossip

100% false

[hater]

100% false

Agreed 0%

[hater]

The death ship is still sailing

It will still sail under captain Joe "the mummy"

[RandomGuy]

https://www.statista.com/graphic/1/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state.jpg

Darrin can't understand the data he presents.

Texas has passed Mississippi at this point and is closing in on the top five.

[DarrinS]

Darrin can't understand the data he presents.

Texas has passed Mississippi at this point and is closing in on the top five.

???

[Blake]

It will still sail under captain Joe "the mummy"

He'll at least listen to Fauci and wear a mask. If that saves one American life, I'll vote for him.

[hater]

He'll at least listen to Fauci and wear a mask. If that saves one American life, I'll vote for him.

Good for u :tu

You saved a life :tu

[Blake]

Good for u :tu

You saved a life :tu

You won't have. Very Republican of you.

[hater]

You won't have. Very Republican of you.

You actually believe you save a life by voting Biden. :lol Very democrat of you.

[Ef-man]

You actually believe you save a life by voting Biden. :lol Very democrat of you.

Hater, no one, but no one will ever make you like trump or democrats. All good.

But think of it this way as this shit show known as American politics has only two alternatives.

On iffy things, you want to side with derp and his super-friends or side with Blake and his many alts (ChumpDumper, Reck, WillHunting, etc).

Cause in final analysis in this troll pit, you have to pick a side, live with it, and forever be associated with it - like it or not.

[hater]

Hater, no one, but no one will ever make you like trump or democrats. All good.

But think of it this way as this shit show known as American politics has only two alternatives.

On iffy things, you want to side with derp and his super-friends or side with Blake and his many alts (ChumpDumper, Reck, WillHunting, etc).

Cause in final analysis in this troll pit, you have to pick a side, live with it, and forever be associated with it - like it or not.

Agreed 60%

We will have to live with our decisions. I so far do not regret not voting in 2016.

[Ef-man]

Agreed 60%

We will have to live with our decisions. I so far do not regret not voting in 2016.

In most states, you can vote by mail, especially if you plan on being out of city during election in Nov. You will not be questioned if that is the case.

Just request an early voting ballot. Fill it out correctly, mail it back as soon as you can, and you are done.

[hater]

In most states, you can vote by mail, especially if you plan on being out of city during election in Nov. You will not be questioned if that is the case.

Just request an early voting ballot. Fill it out correctly, mail it back as soon as you can, and you are done.

:tu

[Splits]

:tu

Make sure you request 2 ballots so you can vote for both.

[ChumpDumper]

Make sure you request 2 ballots so you can vote for both.Soros sent me 2000 if you need extras.

[Ef-man]

Soros sent me 2000 if you need extras.

Ha, Bill Gates sent me 10,000 extra ballots.

Take that BlakeChumpDumper!

[spurraider21]

Ha, Bill Gates sent me 10,000 extra ballots.

Take that BlakeChumpDumper!
same here and all i had to do to get those ballots was put in one measly microchip

[Ef-man]

same here and all i had to do to get those ballots was put in one measly microchip

Nice :tu

Heard from good people that derp elected to get the trump anal probe with vote in person option, it was said.

[DMC]

almost all of what we do with laws and legislation are grounded in Judeo Christian morality.
what planet are you from? The basic idea of individual liberty and fairness are moral principles.

again you try to turn very basic ideas upside down to get your W and end up pickling your brain.

Not the same as legislating morality. Try again and maybe wait until I pull your chain.

[spurraider21]

Not the same as legislating morality. Try again and maybe wait until I pull your chain.
depends what you mean by legislating morality. do you mean we make a law that says "this is what people should have as a moral belief" or merely a law that represents what is supposed to be a shared moral belief (ie murder bad)

[Will Hunting]

Ha, Bill Gates sent me 10,000 extra ballots.

Take that BlakeChumpDumper!
John Podesta sent me 1,000 ballots, one for each of his child sex slaves. Once I’m done filling them out I’m supposed to take them to Comet Ping Pong where there’s a special voting booth set up so each ballot counts once in all 50 states.

[Blake]

You actually believe you save a life by voting Biden. :lol Very democrat of you.

It's simple logic based on what we know about the spread of covid. Nothing partisan about it.

[DMC]

depends what you mean by legislating morality. do you mean we make a law that says "this is what people should have as a moral belief" or merely a law that represents what is supposed to be a shared moral belief (ie murder bad)

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,pg_1,q_80,w_800/18oahxipdxiiujpg.jpg

Which of these do we have laws against (gambling and doctor assisted suicide notwithstanding)? Which could we have laws against based on the Bill of Rights and basic civil rights?

I mean just look at all those Judeo-Christian morality based laws on the books today! Murder of course! No other religion prohibits murder.

[hater]

It's simple logic based on what we know about the spread of covid. Nothing partisan about it.

Doesnt work like that nancy

A person needs to be infected themselves in order for the mask to maybe work to prevent spread to anperson that maybe will die from it.